Monday Morning Metaphsyical 23OCT23

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Good morning, and welcome to anotherepisode of Strange Ricon right here on YouTube
or whatever else the podcast we found. Thanks so much for joining us.
It is metaphysical Monday, so let'sget this guided meditation in our insane rant
lecture going metaphysical Monday. Stick around, ladies and gents. Good morning.

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For some of you, this mightbe the hardest day of the week.
I don't know. You could bein like the workspaces. I'm starting to
think the weekdays are the new weekends. I'm just kidding. I stole that
from one of the girls in Sexand the City. It's yours truly,
Jeff white Berg, Kingsbury, Welcomeback to another episode of Strange Ricon.

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It's Metaphysical Monday. As you seeby the thumbnail, if you're in the
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large number of listeners. You knowwhat I'm saying. It doesn't make any
sense in your return listeners. Ican see through the anallytics. I think
that's how it's pronounced. But Ladiesand Jensen on the video side, and
you know, I appreciate you,thank you very much for being here.
Rock Esty, Dorothy Ani and wesh who else the guy that bary Bill
Reddin Dorothy Awkins with the YouTube superchat already, thank you very much,

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he says, not Mama war Bucks, but accept my pity offering. You
know, we actually had a personthat used to hang on around our unit.
We used to call Daddy Warbucks.He was the PEO officer for Land
Warrior and he would show up ina nice car. He had a nice
watch on. He always like lookedfor. I mean the guy we called

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him Daddy Warbucks because he came inrolling with the money. Daddy Warbucks.
I think most kids today wouldn't knowwhat that even references. Well, what
that's in reference to Rock? Whatdo we got? Simon Flying, Good
morning. Simon Fly says Tech Tuesdayand Aviation Day are my favorite days.
But I see I will see what'shappening on this Monday morning metaphysical. That's

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right, this is a Monday morningmental physical. So guess what we're first
gonna start off with? Guided meditationis our new routine around here. Okay,
now I want you to take thisseriously. I'm going to unwind you
and unzip you. No, no, unwind you, and I'm going to

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guide you into an altered state ofpure relaxation. I get that right.
Okay, yeah, So if you'renot ready for this, you might want
to pull over to the side ofthe road, maybe put your baby down.
Of course, if you're operating heavymachinery, be careful because I'm about

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to relax your ass and I don'twant that jackhammer falling on you, or
that JBL skits he or going offa cliff. Are you ready? Michigan
UFO and paranormal encounters, I'd loveto chat with you sometimes, you know.
I've had some pretty interesting UFO encountersare pretty interesting experiences in Michigan.

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One was very close. The otherone was so close it was with my
eyes closed, which was weird.That doesn't make any sense, right,
I could see UFO their eyes closed. I'm talking about the frogman sighting.
You all know that one Anyways,ladies and gents, boys and girls,
cats, kittings and pushes and popups? Can we get this thing going?
It is ten five right here inthe Bridgewater Triangle. It's becoming winter.

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The turkeys are turkey, and thepumpkins, magically, like they do every
year, they just sh go upwith carving. So I don't know who's
doing it. We're gonna get downto it. We're gonna figure that one
out. We're gonna say, hey, this phenomenon of pumpkins showing up with

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faces carved him will come to anend on my watch. Yeah right,
someone told me earlier that people carvethem. It must be nice to live

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in such a fantasy land. Okay, lad has done my boys and girls,
cats and kittens. Here we go. Let's get this going. I
need you to close your eyes andrelax yourself, I said, freaking relax,
Ladies and gents. Shall we closeyour eyes? Oh wait, I

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forgot the close your eyes and takea deep breath, a slow breath,
and then let it out. Asyou continue to breathe deeply and slowly,
let your stresses and worries of theday fade away. All right, let's

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stop this place I gotta stop it. Now. Let's start over again.
Hold on here, hold on here, Let's start over again. That wasn't
good. That wasn't a good start. Hold on, Let's start that over
again and give it the respect itdeserves. Because this is important. This
isn't just something. Take this seriously. Rica on here we go. Close

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your eyes and take a deep,slow breath in and then let it out.
As you continue to breathe deeply andslowly, let the stresses and worries
of the day fade away. Youwere about to embark on a serene journey,

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one of peace, tranquility, inthe gentle embrace of nature. A
comfortable find a comfortable position, andimagine yourself on a beautiful summer day.
The sun is high in the sky, and it's a clear blue day,

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casting a warm and inviting glow overeverything it touches. The air is comfortably
warm on your skin, and thelight breeze ruffles your hair and clothes,
carrying with it the sweet scent ofblossoms and fresh green leaves. Now,

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as you walk on a soft grassypath, you start to hear a gentle
murmur of water flowing at you.What is the water murmuring as you get
closer, because you think the wateris talking shit about you behind your back

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with its murmurs. The sound becomesclearer, and soon you find yourself standing
at the edge of the mesmerizing brook. The water flows with grace. It's
moving slowly and reflectoring, reflecting theshimmering sunlight, and creating patterns that dance

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and shift with the flow. Takea moment to truly observe this brook.
Imagine it in your mind's eye you'rereally there. Notice how the light creates
golden nipples, ripples on the watersurface. See the smooth pebbles and stones

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beneath the clear water, each oneunique in its color and shape. Look,
you pick one up, and it'sshort and skinny, and the other
one is long and fat. Andyou choose the long and fat one for
no in particular reason, for particularreason. Nearby, the tall green grass

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sways gently in the wind, whisperingtheir timeless songs to ask him. Tiny
flowers with hues of pink, yellow, and blue dop the landscape, peeking

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out shyly. Every so often,a butterfly, let's spy, let's it's
wings catching the sun in a fleetingdisplay of color. The music had stopped

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for no particular reason. Okay,it's starting again. Yes, are you

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in your mind's eye? Can youhear the brooks gentle sound, each babble
and gurgle is a serene lullaby.But you look down and realize that gurgle
is actually someone drouting, so yousave them because brooks don't normally gurgle.
It's usually the sound of someone drouting, So look for the gurgle to pay

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attention to the ball grounding you inthis moment. With every sound, feel
your heart and breath synchronize with naturewith every breath. Then you breathe in
the whole soul of the serene,beautiful brook, the trees, the birds,

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the sky and the sun beyond it. With every exhale, you breathe
out all the sorrows and worrows,wors, worried and troubles. Sometimes you
have to cough to get those outbecause they're not like regular air. They're

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polluted. So you bask in thismoment. Take another deep breath, letting
the fresh, pure air fill yourlungs, and as you breathe out,
release every remnant of stress or warmth. What do you mean I'm supposed to

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be able to read to some degree. Before I try to read a script,
you don't tell me for a fewmoments of silent reflection, when you
feel rejuvenated and at peace, slowlybring your awareness back to the present.

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Remember, you're gonna let all yourwarrows go down that brook. You're gonna
let all warrows. Why do Ikeep saying warrows? What is wrong with
me? And snap out of it? That will be fifty dollars us.

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Please, ladies and gents, boysand girls, here we are at another
metaphysical Monday, and you are relaxedas shit. You're welcome. There's some
things I like to talk about itand I'm gonna explain them like a five
year old not so much to you. I just have to read them like

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that, and of course understand itlike that because I myself am well you
probably know. Here on metaphysical Monday, we like to tackle some topics that,
of course are not traditional ones,and sometimes we get into the super
woo, sometimes we get into thesuper skeptical side of things. Today,
I'm gonna read you a story,and I'd like you to imagine yourself.

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I'd like you to imagine what thismeans in the world of metaphysics, one
of course wants to quantify the thought. The great debate over physics, I
mean over the philosophy of consciousness hasnever been one by either side. Of

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course, one side might yield tothe other side in the debate, but
every year someone tries to find thematerial connection between consciousness and the philosopher sits
there and gives them all these protocolsthat can't be figured out or whatnot,
or yeah, protocols that can't becan't be one, and so the debate
continues where it comes from. Butin this sense, we're gonna stop for

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a second and not just talk aboutquantifying thought. We're rather going to talk
about what we know today of people'sinability to create mental imagery. And since
the vast misunderstand there's a vast misunderstandinghappening that happened way back in the eighteen
hundreds, and it has never beencleared up. And because of that,
we have ourselves problems in which wethink we're talking to someone who is seeing

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and dealing with the same things whenwe talk about epistemology and all this other
stuff, and we find out thatthere are very different brains out there performing
very different actions but achieving the samegoal. Executing and achieving the same thing.
And so in today metaphysical Monday,we're going to talk about affenstasia.
How do you say that word?I don't know affen stasia. I don't

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even know, and I don't evencare. It's not the word that matters
ricon, it's what it means.So here we go for a moment.
I want to take you to aland of no images, and in the
heart of the vast universe there existsa unique realm unknown, I'm sorry,
a unique realm in this case,in our fantasy world known as imagine imagineea.

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I almost said some other word again. I already said at once.
I can't trip up the algorithm twicetoday. Hold on, let me bring
up a picture real quick, becauseYouTube says I'm gonna be in trouble if
I don't bring up some sort ofphotograph. You're losing them already for a
second. I just want you tolook at this and that should hold you

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over. Sorry for all the clickin, I had to move the freaking
microphone back over to the other sideof the desk. Forgive me, who
sees this wine, shalice, vase, cup? Who sees the faces?

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Who see who sees them at thesame time. I made a little joking
Twitter post today. But in thesane world, you see the cups,
the cup or the vase. Thefaces that make are on the left and

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right. In the insane world,you see both. No, not literally,
You're not insane if you see both. But psychosis exists where a cup
can be made up of faces.Anyone ever tried dimethyl triply? No,
no, no, no, rockst I know you can see the both.

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You can see both, right,you can see the face in the
cup. I'm saying this is anexample. But in real life when you
see a cup, do you seeit made up of faces? Do you
see two faces that are on theoutside of each coffee mug you pick up,
or wine glass or something. Thismight be a little bit too far

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for I tried to Okay, okay, you tell me if this, if
this makes send any sense to you, ready, But in the sense that
some people when asked to, Ican't leave that up there because it's going
to confuse I shouldn't put up thatjumped ahead way too farur head. But
just for a second, imagine thatyou know, there are some people maybe
you yourself understand what this are,this means, but you yourself can't can't

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visualize basically anything in your head.You're trying to articulate it, but it's
articulated almost mostly on the fly whentrying to think about it. It's not
you know, like that old parent, you know, parent would say to
the child, think before you speak. The parent is fully has no idea

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that there is actual conditions, ifthat's what you want to call them.
I don't know if condition is theright words. And it's such a large
group of people are small group ofpeople, but they're large in numbers totally,
you know, anecdotally, the casesare small, but the case loads
the case. I don't know whatyou want to call it. But anyway,

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so this issue of not being ableto visualize in your head, you
know, finds itself essentially something thatwas discovered in the eighteen hundreds, and
it's never really been figured out sinceno one really seems to care. I
mean, of course there are peopleworking on some stuff related to it,
but it's never really added anything,you know, major to the understanding of

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things. And one of the thingsthat is interesting about a lot of people
that have talked about having this conditionand not being able to visualize anything in
your head, not being able toactually do what other people are claiming they
can do with their head, isthat a lot of those individuals fall into
the group of people that also happento you know, allegedly of course,

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report psychological phenomena, hallucinations and whatnot, and would never fall into the ranks
of being insane or being insane orthey're having some sort of psychotic episode or
something like that. They just don't. They fall way outside of it.
They don't fall into some sort ofspecial category of like autism or something like

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that, some sort of neural divergencething. They don't. They simply don't.
Maybe they get if they search hardenough and we keep getting a more
articulated palette of what's on the medicalspectrum there, then of course they'll find
themselves in a group. But ultimatelyspeaking, we see that a lot of
people that describe not being able tovisualize anything in their heads tend to be
extremely creative and tend to or nottend to, but oftentimes they fall anecdotally,

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speaking from my own experience, theyfall into a group of people that
have reported visually witnessing phenomena that theymight describe as holographic. They might describe
as something like, you know,like a psychedelic experience, laid over reality
type of thing. They can't theycan't you know, shake they can't shake
it. This is not a thatthey're tripping essentially, rather than seeing something

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in the moment that they close theireyes, over their eyes and they're right
again or whatever. But and youknow, a lot of those individuals,
which I think they're interesting, reporta what I what I find interesting is
they report a crossover of a certaintype of experience in which something in the
physical world to them feels like it'sbeing actually affected by something. And what

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the other day when I shared thatexperience I had where like, I know,
years ago, I shared an experienceabout waking up constantly feeling like someone's
grabbing my hand. I would wakeup constantly with like this, feeling like
someone squeezing my hand. I wouldactually be in that mode right when you're
waking up, and I would liketo be I could feel someone's knuckles and
everything's skin, and then I'd wakeup and be like whatever, and I
look over it. You know whoI was living with at the time,

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and I'm like, were you justholding my hand? And they were like,
no, but you've said this likethree or four weeks in a row.
Now you keep doing that. AndI had no idea that was related
to sleep paralysis at all. SoI'm over here saying I've never suffered from
sleep paralysis. It turns out Imight may have. Later on, I
experienced something that other people have beenclaiming for hundreds of years, and I've
never experienced anything like that in myentire life. And I can completely understand

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where people are coming from when theysuggest this isn't just some sort of imaginary
thing. This is something happening inthe very physical world. And people are
just saying, because it is ametaphysical subject that is almost nonsensical, entirely
in irrational, that there is nothingconnected to it. I'm not saying I
know what. I'm that there isan actual physical connection. I think that
your brain can make it feel thatway. But the other day I shared

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on the show that I had thatexperience where I was as soon as I
laid in bed, I felt this. It was no I When I say
that it felt like it, I'mnot saying in my heart, it seemed
like, you know, kind oflike I felt someone was in the room
with may, and I just lookedlike, this is eerie. No,
I'm not saying that horse crap.I'm saying that literally. I thought either

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my dog or someone who I wasin the house of mey sat on the
bed with me, because that's howbig of an impression it made by my
feet. And I expected to heartheir voice. I expected to hear her
panting or something, the dog,and instead it was it's something felt like

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it lifted the blanket up somehow,or didn't, I don't know. Just
to me, it felt like theblanket was moved off my feet, and
then something cold. It felt coldto the touch, one from my up
my entire foot, from like heto toe or totally I can't remember anymore.
But but and then I instantly wentand looked it up. Of course,
the first thing that came up whenI was researching when I when I
put those things in there was oldhag syndrome. People of course, you

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know, claiming that they wake upto this old witch like looking awful,
horrendous in rags woman sitting on themor on the bed and the feeling like
the bed is being pressed down.And then also you can see that other
people have called the same thing.And you have individuals that report a hat
man. You have individuals report ahat man with two little beings next to

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him, and I know him veryfar off the way of that apastasia whatever
it's called. There forget already,but this this interesting link where in my
life this is just anecdotal. Thisisn't some scientific thing I'm sourcing. I
have met a ton of people thathave claimed they cannot visualize images in their

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head and have had sleep paralysis likethings. No, I some they won't
even admit it until I actually getinto it in the nitty gerty talking,
and they'll be like, no,of course I see things in my head.
What youre talking about? I havean imagination all that stuff. Well,
yeah I do too. If Ireally stop and think about it,
I can like see a kind oflike I say, I always tell people
see a sports car, because that'swhat I use my experiment. In my

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little experiment, I say, pleaseimagine a sports car and describe what you're
seeing. And then I go overand over and over again exactly what I'm
asking them, what, describe whatyou're seeing? And then eventually once they
start to articulate what I'm talking about. They never just describe the sports car.
They describe like, well, it'skind of like a flashing image.
It's kind of like I see thefront end of the sports car, and

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then if I think about the backend, I quickly see a back end
real fast. And I'm saying,like, this is the same people.
They don't even realize it. Theyjust think this is normal. They've never
dug beneath the surface and never pulledback, you know, the force.
No, what is that They've neverThey've never They've never really got through a
couple of layers of that onion.And I never have either. But now

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that I know that sleep analysis iswhat I'm suffering from, to some degree,
I found it really interesting that abunch of people in my past,
that I've interviewed, of course,and talked to and spent years, you
know, anecdotally listening to their storiesbut not actually looking into the cases too
deeply, we have ourselves a littlebit of a common commonality there, not
like not some super case study,but there's something you know, and I'd

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like to investigate a little bit more. Good morning everyone in the YouTube chat
go kick Rocks Seady eight us here. Thank you very much for spending time
with us on the youtope. Ohboy, I know I'm ranting away here
like crazy, but let's get backinto my little story real fast for y'all.
Okay, in the heart of thevast universe, there exists a unique

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and known land as a mad Geniaterrible name, a place where imagination flourished
and everyone possessed the magical ability tovisualize anything they wished in their mind.
Picture a tree. I whistled whenI said that, picture picture a tree,

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and its towering form would appear inyour thoughts. Recall a friend's face,
and it would shimmer into existence withinyour mind. Yet within this vast
realm known as Vaginia, Oh whatis that, Mamagenia? Okay, uh,
there are were those with a specialkind of uniqueness. They were apostasiacs,

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individual individuals unable to unable to conjureup images in their mind. To
them, the words vivid imagination feltlike a foreign language when it comes to
specifically in respect to the movie inthe mind type of thing not necessarily on

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paper. And while they heard talesof this magical ability. They couldn't quite
grasp its essence because so many people, of course, had the ability to
imagine things in a high definition intheir mind to some degree. Some people
can literally read the page in thebook that they once read. We used

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to call it like photo whatever,it was, a photographic memory. I
don't think that's legitimate anyways, butthat's what they said. This unusual condition
wasn't newly discovered. A wise historyin Francis Galton once spoke of it,
realizing that many of his intellectual peerswere in fact affanstasiacs. I can't say

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the word, and I'm sorry,I keep trying to pronounce it over and
over again. Though it was fact, most were unaware of it. He
was astounded when they admitted that thephrase mental imagery was a riddle to them,
no different than colors to the colorblind. The phenomenon, though intriguing,

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remained a whisper of legend. Adull professor Adam Zeeman of the prestigious
University of Exeter began his in depthinvestigation. Zeeman not only not only named
his unique ability, or rather thelack of it, or lack thereof sorry,

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how I made that face? Afterwards? Afphenstasia. He named it a
affistasia, I guess, or afont asia I don't know, you choose,
but also ignited the flame of interestin its study by scientists worldwide.

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The name was the from ancient Greek, where fence fantasia meant the imagination and
the prefix a indicated a lack thereof. This guy cut me off in traffic
yesterday. He was a real adick, if you know what I'm saying.

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I didn't change that enough. Damnit works though, both ways,
Okay. While many wondered how theAffenstasiacs even navigated the world, it was
understood that their experiences were not onlyuniversally uniform. Arm sorry, but their
experiences were not universally uniform. Somecould not visualize vast landscapes known as spatial

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avanstasia, while others struggle with theimages of specific objects or events called object
avastasia aphstasia. I don't know howto say that word. It's such a
funny idiot, uh cons Okay.In contrast to that, there's something called

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hyper fantastasia, who experienced images intheir mind with such vibrancy that It was
as if they were living in tworealms simultaneously, hyper fantasia. Have you
heard of that? I haven't.Let's look it up even more in depth.
It's metaphysical Monday. I told you. Anyways, moving on, we're

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gonna look that up in a secondhere, because that's that's the one we're
looking for. I told you we'regonna learn together here. Research on affanstasia
was butting was a budding field atbest. Early investigations revealed alfastasia could dream,
suggesting that their involuntary ability to visualizeremained Suggests that their involuntary ability to

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visualize remained intact because they could doit when they're dreaming, you see,
but they were not doing when theywere awake. Later studies hinted at various
nuances, like the idea of affinstagiasmight also have less vivid memories, or
that they might use different strategies forvisual tasks. Interestingly, one study found
that affin stagias read a chilling tale, their physical reactions remain unchanged. Yous

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is what do you read goosebumps andstill get scared? I'm not, I'm
not a nut. Get that reference, No, and I am not a
nutba. That's reference. That's thequot I meant. Early investigations revealed that
they could dream, and so thatthere was just invol it was involuntary,
and of course that they did notrespond physically when monitored when reading or watching

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film or listening to like some othersdid. Except I'm not gonna lie.
Sometimes make an emotional whenever I wheneverI look in the mirror, I'm like,
oh oh, never thought that,And I'm just that's never one.
Usually I'm doing the upset. Ilook in the mirror and I just start
crying. No anyways, but thesepeople apparently do have a resistance apparent to

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some degree when when reading the stimulidoes not it's not affecting them the same
way. According to this interestingly enoughone, uh interesting enough, when shown
vivid images, they did not havea problem then visualizing it. As I

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was just trying to say, amI dumb? Hard to articulate anything?
Blah blah blah. I have theseI like, I say, if the
sports car thing or the tree whatever, want to use a dog taking a
shit? I don't care. Ihave this problem where I can only see
this in like still images. That'sthe best I can do. You can
choose any direction from front on,from the side, from whatever. If

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I've experienced it, I can recallit. But I cannot recall this like
like, I can't think of it. It's basically all black up in there
until I really think hard about thetime I saw one thing, and I
really then only get to see thesevery flashing, mostly dark images of something

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like imagine a photo where like halfthe photo is burnt away. That's kind
of how it appears in my mind. It's obnoxious. Why do you think
I talk so fast? I don'tthink before I talk. I just talk.
It just comes out. This isa real stream of consciousness. We're
gonna have to look into that hyperone in a minute. Here. Sorry,

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that dog needs the shut up outside. I don't know whose it is,
but it's loud and annoying. Theythere was an intimate connection, an
intricate dance existed between visual visualization andemotions, and that these alpha afastasiacs have

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a very interesting, yet to reallybe studied connection, although they it's completely
different for them. These people cansee and experience things that others are seeing
in their mind. These people canfail to be able to visualize things that
others are seeing in their mind.One would even say without because this is
pretty much where this ends and we'regonna get more into it. But one
could even say, and I've jokedabout this in the past, even made

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Twitter posts, maybe even deleted thembecause I don't want people being like,
WHOA, calm down over there,strange recount. But the fact of the
matter is, it feels like somepeople see things in the world, get
it the real world, where otherscan only see them in their imagination.

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And maybe that it's a super leap, But I bet these hyper aphanstasiacs and
there's other names to this, I'msure the spectrum it's on, can also
experience things where it's like a gooeylike effect. And I wonder, because
this world is so goddamn weird andmostly still unexplained, if there yet lie

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even more outliers of people that theythemselves. I won't say it because it's
too absurd and it's completely nonsensical,not rational at all, but maybe,
just maybe, if there's people thatcan see things, you know, like
a gooey effect over their own interactionor reality, there are those that even

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one step further that can be interactedwith and not even even if it's their
imagination, I'm not I don't wantto, Okay, I know I'm gonna
go in in a place where peopleare gonna take it as insulting or something
like that. But I've had experiencesin my life where I feel like the
people with me were being interacted withor not interacted with, but they were

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they also experienced it because they lookedin the same direction. Everyone heard the
thing, everyone saw it, butthe but the thing we saw. Still
to this day, I don't believeit is impossible. So I find myself
kind of stuck in this middle groundwhere where maybe in my hunt for a
scientific explanation for what happened, therewill be not middle ground, but I'll
be on the fire end, butthere'll be a point where we might see

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people that are avedstasias or hyper abastasiaX or some sort of chronic version of
that can can absolutely, maybe Idon't know, in some way affect people
around you, and that doesn't necessarilymean literally make them see things, but

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make them so in a heightened,alerted panic state that they that they imagine
that they saw things because of Idon't know I don't know, I'm gonna
go I'll stop there. But allI know is that that these things are
This is a largely unstudied thing.There's just never been enough sample types.

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It's scientists have said, it's aremarkable that how many people have no idea
they're experiencing it. Of course,you know about the other things we've talked
about on the show before in thepast, a little bit, things like
there are layers to this condition,layers to yet be unveiled. For instance,
did you know that some people can'tcouldn't even hear their inner voice.
There are plenty of people that haveno inner voice whatsoever. I have an

(38:35):
inner voice that is like insane,not literally insane, but I mean I
I do you have any idea howmy inner voice has tried to talk me
out of doing things before? Thisis a real thing. I used to
ride BMX and dirt bikes and horsesreally hard, you know, broken bones
all the time, coming back,huge gashes on my body. I mean,

(38:57):
I started this day. I wasriding motorcycles, rode across gun you
a bunch of times, messed aroundright all over mountains or dirt bikes as
an adult and even mess myself upone a time or another. But I'll
tell you right now that every timeI know, people will just answer quickly.
Yeah, the voice in your head, your your consciousness was like was
like you know, your conscious wassaying your conscious mind was telling you just

(39:20):
to wake up because you're doing somethingthat's dangerous. That's great, but explain
it to us. Someone explained tous why some people have experiences like myself
and others don't, Like I haveno ability to see movie pictures in my
mind, but yet I have thisextremely loud voice that oftentimes is like like
wildly independent and never like some momentwhere it's like, you know, some

(39:42):
psycho, you know, some schizophrenicthing, unless, of course, you
consider me sitting at the top oflike a Rye skate park, a Rye
New Hampshire skatepark ramp, and likeeveryone's cheering me on, but I just
busted so hard like two minutes ago, and the voice is saying, saying,
dude, you just recovered from Idon't know, busting your teeth out

(40:04):
or breaking your face or breaking allyour fingers. Don't do it like literally,
this voice is essentially saying to mein its own on its own,
its own language, while I'm fightingback being like, oh no, I'm
gonna fucking nail this thing, andthis is gonna be a glorious I can't
wait for the picture that I seeafterwards or something. And and it's happened
so many times that I began toalmost like joke about it that, like

(40:29):
as a youth, I said,and I attributed almost to like add or
something. But like, why isit that I have like this such separate
like thing, you know, thisthis duality like thing that's not knocking on
a conscious choice, but like actuallythis voice in me that is hyper critical

(40:52):
is constantly trying to force me inthe right direction if I don't take it,
and trying to prevent me from damagingthe goods on the outside. Some
people have what is it uh anin an innnario innuralia. I can't even

(41:13):
say the damn term. What thehell is that term? And uh or
ariela I can't even say. Sorry, silent mind is essentially what it's called,
you know, the nickname for asilent mind. I don't know even
know how to say it. Pronouncearalia, okay, I don't know.

(41:51):
That was the weirdest I waited likethirty seconds that I got to say,
to say that's great or actually pronounceit. It's uh, you know,
I don't know. You know,a lot of people are worried to even
engage these topics. First off,not because the superficial reasons of oh,
I don't want anyone to you know, actually get in my head and tell

(42:13):
me that there's something wrong with me, but a lot of it is has
become so taboo that we you know, if you're different up here, you
know, keep it to yourself becauseyou don't want to. You don't want
to not be like them, thegroup that thought the Spice Girls was a
great band for like twenty two years. You don't want to be like that.

(42:35):
No, Okay, I'm sorry,but you know, there there is
this awful approach towards mental health inthe country, and a lot of people
think that if they're going to somethinginvolved with mental health that they are somehow
deficient or wrong or broken. ButI mean, if you if you really
want to believe, if you reallywant to, a lot a lot of
people enter the topics of yourthology andthe paranormal and stuff and like instantly start
you know, questioning you know sciencewhat it knows or what it doesn't know.

(43:00):
And you want to get into afield that is lacking a ton of
stuff. Look for the bridge betweenneurology and psychology. There ain't one.
Yeah, there are a bunch ofmedicals, there's a bunch of medical literature.
You can get it to where youcan see obviously they work together in
studies and see all. But it'slike it's lacking. It's like a there's
nothing in comparison to the hundreds andhundreds of years of submissions and steps built

(43:23):
on one another. There's nothing.You know, if I told someone when
I was growing up, which Idid, about what I was feeling and
experiencing and thinking and this voice inmy head type of thing, that there
is something wrong with you. Butthe fact of the matter is that we're
finding out that a lot of someof the most you know, the biggest

(43:45):
contributors to the world they live in, end up suffering from these things almost
entirely silent. Mind. Think beforeyou speak. As the parents slapped the
ass of the child for being youknow, wise, you know, quick
to talk, or something like that. Back in the day, a lot
of these children had the inability todo so. They did not have the

(44:06):
ability to do so. They theparents didn't. They just didn't, you
know, admit it to themselves lateron, or they themselves weren't suffering from
it. Stuffering, if that's oneway to say it. It's only suffering,
of course, if if you're youknow, you're the the imbalance in
your brain and gut is is givingyou all the worst symptoms of something.
But it's just completely different that welive in a world entirely made up for

(44:27):
the majority, not that you know, three or four percent of people,
are you know, five percent ofpeople that has known today that suffer from
these on the law on the deepend of the spectrum. Again, I
said suffer. I don't really knowif that's the best word. But look,
man, I have no visual imagesin my head unless I deliberately try,
and even then I can't get acomplete one. I have one of

(44:49):
the most overactive voices in my headthat that has been trying to look out
for me since I was a child, Like I've been doing some crazy shit,
you know, I and just jumpingoff stuff, playing with dangerous things,
shooting guns, blowing things up,going to war, riding dirt bikes,
riding big things, you know,doing going to some pretty dangerous places,

(45:09):
and forever that voice in my headhas been there before I would,
you know, pick up a runor something. Is just like like it
almost was like you don't own thething that you're running around with. That
kind of was what it was feeling. It felt like to me now that
I've used virtual reality later in life, It's like you don't have ownership of

(45:30):
that meat suit of armor you're you'reusing and you're about to f my shit
up. That's what it kind offelt like. And and probably having a
complete separation between mind and body forsome people is like is like the cart
was right. Everything about these peopleis right. All these haters it says

(45:50):
it's bullshit, and and then youit's but it's only such a small group
of people that why would they believeit's legitimate unless, of course they can
you know, these future case thatit's at it. But and my I
mean forever, I've I've been talkingabout that on the show since episode one.
I've been mentioning doesn't is am Ithe only one that's ever used VR
and that took it off and waslike, oh shit, the human body
is like an like this, theyou know, the human VR experience and

(46:15):
if you and turns out I'm onlyfeeling that way because of this condition I'm
reading to you about right, youknow today, I'm metaphysical. Monday,
I would like to go get properlydiagnosed with some of these things. So
I don't, you know, I'mnot just saying it myself and sound extremely
you know, unscientific or accurate,but I do feel that it's it's be

(46:36):
for me, it's beyond question becauseof how similar the symptoms are. Now,
I've also had a bunch of strangeexperiences that other people have seen with
me, you know, and youknow, with trying to thoroughly debunk them.
I don't know how that's connected,if there's a bridge there, But
you know, part of me,that that part I never want to admit

(46:57):
to y'all about being a you know, a person who hope. I hate
hope. Hope sucks. But youknow, I tell you all the time,
just you know, put your hopeaway and start relying on it.
But I do have hope that someof these things will be explained and there
will be some rather weird stuff toit. Personally speaking, I've done enough

(47:17):
psychedelics in my life to recognize thatin a blink of an eye, in
an iota, you can be insomething entirely different, regardless of what your
hands or feet are touching, regardlessof you were laying in bed. You
don't know that anymore. Sometimes youare completely gone in psychosis, you are
completely tripping your whatever you got downthere off. And so you know,

(47:43):
I can't tell, you know,if some people are in some of these
states more often than not, andare trying to explain to us something that
they are actually feeling and seeing andlike really experiencing, but no one else
is seeing it or feeling it toa large degree, and they found a
home a place where people have historically, speaking speaking, have reported seeing stuff

(48:04):
in the sky rather than almost ratherhard to catch, rather hard to you
know, track down or solve.Of course, sometimes there's been photographs,
but never been really that great.But now we have this ambiguous topic backed
by individuals who are already seeing thingsthat they cannot distinguish between reality and that

(48:24):
in fact it doesn't matter because tothem it is reality. That's the problem
with the whole you know, isthis material world one hundred percent as we
know it, Well, what happensif you find out that there's Again,
these are anecdotal cases, but anecdotalin abundance. You know, we're talking
about four percent, five percent ofthe population. That's a pretty large goddamn

(48:46):
number are experiencing an entirely different reality. Often the vast majority of that number
has never reported or never realized it, or never wanted to admit it,
or if they heard anything like it, they just kept it to themselves because
I don't want anyone to know that. They can't really picture things in their
head like all the other people,or they are hearing a really active inner

(49:07):
monologue, for christ, they shutup in there trying to get some sleep.
Comedian Doug Stanhope has a great joke. He's like, you ever tried
to go to bed sober? It'slike, dude, is ridiculous. It's
like a goddamn carnival up there.Three am just never shuts up. And

(49:28):
of course there are people that cannotsee any images at all, And there
are people that have dolphin like threeD building holographic liabilities to map something.
When they can't even see it,someone tells them, hey, we've hit
an object, right, here's theobjects we have, the bottle, the
glove, the thimble, the resportscar whatever. We're gonna put them all

(49:49):
on a locker or a bunch oflockers. I don't want you to imagine
and see if you can see throughthe locker door and the person's like,
well, I know all the objectthey put in there, I'm gonna think
about it. Holy shit, I'mpicking up some goddamn true holographic image here.
You don't have magical powers. You'rejust better than us, you son
of a bitch. No, okay, the last part probably not. Forgive

(50:16):
me about that son of a bpart. This is an R rated show.
When I had that experience in Michiganof that ridiculous you know, eyes
closed hallucination, a persistent hallucination becauseI couldn't it wouldn't go away until it

(50:39):
went away. I mean I literallyclosed my eyes. It was there,
OpEd my eyes like, where thehell is that light coming from? And
there's no light, closed my eyesagain, it's there. If people see
like that, that face, thoseimages, that clarity with their could you
Okay, First off, I doneed to stress that when that exciting,
that experience happened, rather on theboat parked up in the northeast Michigan and

(51:01):
Sandusky, that Bay up there.If that experience the level of light that
was shining in my face? Doyou remember my description? And I mean
that it was so bright that Ihad to keep opening my eyes, being
like, where the hell is thisled at? There's an led shining at
me? Well, that could youimagine if people are experiencing that all the

(51:22):
time, extremely visual and chronic levelsof the opposite hyper affenstasia, where they're
seeing like truck headlights coming at themwith their eyes closed or open. Sometimes
Holy schnikes. Well we're going kindof easy today. We've been in some

(51:47):
trouble in the past. Okay,My deep hope, as I was saying
earlier, is that the UFO topic, the whole dimensional aspect of it,
would be connect to do this tosome degree. Now listen, I know
this sounds absurd to you, becauseit is. I know it sounds illogical

(52:07):
and irrational again because it is.But I think therefore I am, I
saw therefore it was could literally befor people out there, and God forbid
there are more than one of thosepeople in that group. God forbid that

(52:30):
babies in a geographic area for somereason are all born with this inability.
So maybe later, generationally speaking,they're hanging out, or their kids are
hanging out, or they're all justwhatever, and they experience something they physically
see it, it interacts with aphysical world, and they're like, holy
effing whatever, we saw this experiencethat. Everyone's like, no, you

(52:51):
didn't. They're like, it camefrom another dimension or something. Do it.
Maybe it cloaked, but whatever weall saw it just kind of warp
in into huge spotlight was shining atus from nowhere and then just went away.
And then everyone's like, dude,there was nothing on the radar.
There was nothing on this There wasno one. The neighbor said he saw
nothing. The other neighbor, shewas outside in her backyard smoking a cigarette.

(53:16):
She said she was facing the otherdirection, but she heard nothing.
Person down the road stopped their car, saw nothing but heard of And everyone
here in the main majority of thepublic that would skeptically analyze and critique the

(53:38):
case, would say, all ofthese people are a bag of flaming liars.
What happens when a group of peopleare alliancers, but people that belong

(54:07):
to this group, why why arethey hanging out? Because they're similar.
Why are they in this group togetherbecause they've reported and suffered from the same
thing. Now these people are hangingout and literally seeing something fly out of
the sky and going to the fuckingtrees, and everyone's like, I felt

(54:27):
that I saw it. I heardblah blah blah, And then everyone else
in the area was like, Isaw nothing. Are you making the connection
yet? Are the synapsis the connectionsin your brain? Are they reconnected?
Do you see what I'm saying?If we can't even understand the basics of

(54:47):
some of the things that the humanbrain is doing naturally to a large to
a large number of people on planetEarth, I know, four or five
percent is not a large number,right for whate Island. What happens when
you're talking about sample planet Earth.What happens if we find a medical connection.
What happens of geographically speaking, geespatically speaking people have been hit with

(55:09):
a goddamn fucking sunburst plasma build up. Every child born in nineteen eighty six
in this area got tongue lack lashedby the fucking sun and now their brain
no longer sees images like everyone else. We've never studied it. That's the
most ridiculous thing anyone's ever said.I'll shut up now. What you've just

(55:36):
said is one of the most insanelyidiotic things I have ever heard. At
no point in your rambling, incoherentresponse were you even close to anything that
could be considered a rational thought.Everyone in this room is now dumber for
having listened to it. God havemercy on your soul. No you,

(56:02):
ladies and gents, boys and girls. This is not a free operation.
And I know I'm just saying somenonsensical rants in the morning, but remember
you're actually experiencing it for free.But I'm paying for it, the equipment,
the subscriptions, the service to putit out there, Spotify, all
that stuff, you know the deal. If you like to listen sometimes you
like to read, see the links, all that researching, all that stuff

(56:22):
that I do and read. Robcall me a nerd yesterday on our call
because all idy was read about crapthat we talked about. All of that
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But let's get back to it.I'm gonna take a quick break though
at that top of the hour here, and when we come back, we're

(57:29):
gonna chat some more about this weirdhyper fantasia. I'm sure I'm saying that
correctly. I mean, before Igo, just keep in mind as well
that these are all very broad andyou know, in the specific studies that
so many websites and articles quote arelimited. The studies in the in the

(57:50):
kind of you know, the abstractof what's going on, the conclusion is
kind of ambiguous, but it's likeit's like a broad guess of what we're
talking here. But these things arenot on islands. You know, we're
talking about hyper hyper fanstasia. Ican't say that word. I'm gonna try
to look it up. I'm sorry. I'm an idiot mixed with say lily
Putian chronic lily Putian disorder, chronicgeometric lily Pitsion disorder or something. What

(58:15):
do you see every time I leavemy home? Not every time. I
don't want to lie because it soundslike I'm embellishing, but I swear this
is true. So often when Ileave my home, I'm up here in
Whales. I leave my home,I'm outside of Swansea. And every time
I see these like, you know, crazy looking saucer shape things. They
look like circles. I don't knowif there's sausage, but they and they're

(58:37):
just like following me way up inthe sky. I don't know where they
come from. These people do not. Sometimes these syndromes, disorders or conditions
not always syndromes and disorders or peoplethat are suffering. Remember, but they're
not always on an island. Someof them share other issues. Some people

(59:00):
have a chronic issue their entire life, or a chronic or not chronic but
hyper fanstasia their entire life, andfanstasia whatever it's word is, and then
get hit on the head and goblind and then start suffering from a new
type of hallucination thing that is like, are the not hallucination but a hallucination
suddenly involved that is mixed with whatthey used to have. It's like maddening,

(59:23):
and all of these things are arejust so tiny and small, so
few the case studies are not largeenough to say what, but they do
say they believe it's like three tofour and some even suggest I don't where
they're getting it from, but upwardsfive percent of the population that have at
least somewhat of this condition on aspectrum, not like the it's only like

(59:45):
two or three percent that have thehyper or chronic variants apparently, But they
do believe that just like a lotof other things autism and things like that,
in neural divergent conditions, that theydefinitely earn much larger numbers. Of
course, like we said, theydon't tell the truth. When they don't

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tell the truth, but when peopleare asked, of course, they don't
want to sound different. All right, I'm gonna take a quick break.
When we get Lord Ludacris, thankyou very much, of course, thank
you, dude. Here's Boom theYouTube mafia. Yeah, they do take
their cut. I really appreciate thatfor sporting the show Man and everyone else
for being here. Thank you verymuch, Kim, Carol Diamond, Pernundrum,

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Dorothy Hawkins, Annie and Bill Reddin, Gracie, who else the guy
here, I can't see all thenames, you know, al Garray holding
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here. Of course, everyone else, thank you for being a guardian.

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Jackpot, thank you, thank you, thank you. All right, I'm
gonna take a quick break. Don'tgo anywhere recon when we get back.
I was told the switch cameraing wasonce in a while. That way I
get to, you know, havemore subscribers, because we're going down in

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numbers quite a few. Thank youfor who try to cheat the system the
other day and get us back overthe numbers. And that's although they went
back down, we've we're down fifteensubscribers in one week after I did that
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Hello mommy. The got yo bradplam in the nal segassions myitial solution,
myitial selection. Welcome back, myfriends and weirdos, and thank you Rob

(01:11:48):
for the music that we've been listeningto for oh so long. Thank you
very much. Uh there is Guardianjackpot any in conundrum any back and forth
quite a bit, Bob Marley,Gracie everyone I missed earlier. Thank you
for being here. I appreciate it. Those on the audio side, thank
you for spending time with us.We were talking about before we left,

(01:12:09):
of course, a fantasia, affantasia, hyper fantasia. That's where we left
off. Hyper hyper fantasia, hyperfantasia. Let's get into it a little
bit. Of course, the exactdefinition of it is, let me know,
just like actually give it to you. Hyper Fantasia is the condition of

(01:12:32):
having extremely vivid mental imagery, sothe exact opposite of me. When you're
absorbed into a novel, what isyour mind's I see? For many of
us, it is a foggy,low contrast approximation of the scenes described,

(01:12:57):
no matter how how well written thebook is. There's a person named Claire
Dudeney or Dudiny. I don't wantto say her last name, d u
d e n e Y Dudeney.Cool. When people describe things, especially
gory things, I visualize them sovividly it's like I'm experiencing them them experiencing

(01:13:24):
them firsthand. She says. Afew years ago, I was on a
train reading a passage about someone whogot a nail stuck in their foot,
and I passed out back when likeReagan was on TV. In movies,

(01:13:44):
they'd be like, just slap Clairein the face a few times while as
you're sleeping on the floor there,get her up. Of course, we
now know we're better people. Wenow know slaps are only made for Dana
White's UFC sponsored slap fighting or thatcool Indian fight shit. Anyone know that

(01:14:12):
one's all right? Anyways, Sorry, I'll shut up. Mass She only
realized a few years ago that sheactually had this mental imagery issue. It's
inherently private, after all. AsI said earlier, it's hard to articulate
what you see in your own mind'seye, never mind get a sense of

(01:14:35):
how it compares with everyone else's.But we now know it differs wildly between
individuals. Some find it impossible topicture their own bedroom, while others like
Dudeney, can call to mind imagesas sharp as they appear at the cinema.

(01:14:57):
Who remembers how I describe some people'sdimethyl trip to Lene experiences some people's
dreams. Oftentimes before adding any typeof phenomenon onto it, you know that
someone like me, who doesn't havethis but has the opposite seemingly who does
dream still like the case, likethe actual scientific studies showed those dreams are

(01:15:24):
in such high contrast to what normallygoes up in here, goes on up
in here, that if I wasa little you know, I'm not saying
that it's wrong entirely, because Idon't know, but if I was maybe
a little less discerning of what Iwas taking in, I would believe that
I was, you know, thatI was actually what it was in my
dream, because that's how vivid theyare. They're in such contrast to what

(01:15:45):
happens now, what happens for somepeople, if that's the opposite, what
happens if some people have hyper fantasiabut also have like ady D where they
can't stop up racing thoughts about maybebad you know, anxiety based negative choices.
You know, you've heard of this, Like people that oftentimes will like

(01:16:06):
think of death and then can't stopthinking about death, or think of injuring
themselves. Or what's that thing whenpeople crash are afraid to crash, afraid
to get in a car because oftheir fear of cars. But it's mixed
with I can't even rember that,but it's like this when these things are
combined with other huge but widely unstudiedthings going on like hyperfantagia. Don't you

(01:16:29):
think there is going to be roomfor some rather remarkable conclusions made? Don't
you think there's going to be roomor there or don't you think there will
at least be some rather remarkable conclusionsmade, even if it's of a mundane
thing, like it's simply the neurologyof our crazy quantum field brain mixed with
our subjective interpretation of the world.Whatever they come up with, it's going

(01:16:51):
to be more than what we havetoday because this is mostly unstudied. The
more they dig into it, theymore they recognize it. Basically, everyone
sees things differently, you know.You know philosophers used to like be like
people like, whoa dude, you'relike blowing our minds there, When they'd
be like, how do you knowyou're seeing the same color blue I'm seeing?

(01:17:15):
How do you know we all andwe see anything the same? Describe
a chair you're describing and how yousee it? Sure it comes out and
sounds the same on my end,but what if it doesn't look the same
at all to me? We getit, You're you're you're philosophizing us to
death. You get it, weget it. But that actually ends up
being the case to some degree withpeople that work together on the same programs,
projects, solutions, uh, inremedies. These people are not even

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realizing that they're providing perspectives from notjust different subjective viewpoints, but literally processing
information in the world around them sowildly different that they're some are not even
visualizing it at all and almost streamingit straight from the whatever obviously up here.
But it's it's pretty weird and ifalways Bill rennins, it sounds like,

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oh CD, I didn't even thinkof that one. What about OCD
with some of these things, Becausewhat I'm thinking is, what about simulation?
Simulation for some people is an extremelyuseful tool. Other people don't never
really seem don't They don't really realizethey're not doing it right because they have
fantasia or affantasia and they don't realizethey're They're like some people professional athletes,

(01:18:33):
uh, you know, soldiers andstuff. A lot of individuals that have
to or performers of course that haveto do things routine, you know,
routinely end up calling it muscle memoryfor something you've heard muscle memory, Oh
I've done something ten thousand times,I have muscle memory for it. But

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yet you'll end up finding out lookingat what these people actually describe when they
are conscious and unconscious, that theyactually create simulations like unbelievable quality level simulations
that you're likely to find the bestoutcome. Now, of course, we've
heard of people with other conditions thatdo that, and it goes the other

(01:19:15):
way. They won't even leave thehouse because they feel if the wind is
so tainted or poisoned, you knowwhatever, that they can't even breathe it
in. You know about this,But it's obviously in some sort of balance,
and it'd be interesting to see wherethese things cross over, where they
actually go with this, because howmany times do we say it over here,

(01:19:35):
like it's Things look the same sometimesfor decades, in this case obviously
over one hundred and fifty years,things look the same until suddenly someone invents
a tool, or suddenly someone inventsa new protocol, a new study makes
its way to the surface, itbecomes popular, and suddenly other peers actually

(01:20:00):
admit and bow down to this newtheory that has become the strong one.
And uh, and you know,I mean I for cras sakes, we're
still people are still afraid to goto the doctor or like a therapist or
a psychologist or a neurology or whateverif like anything's wrong. I would have
a hard time believing we'rever really goingto know any truth about this in the

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long run, because it's just nota wide enough accepted belief that you should
get your head studied. If somethingwell for any reason, it doesn't really
matter. You don't have to besick, or it's that late. You
know, there's there's I don't know. You could say something that you don't
even know is is not. I'mnot saying normal, so be careful,

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but you could say something to atherapist or a psychologist or whatever, or
when you're in neurology at the hospital. That is a marker for them that
something is going on that you justthink is normal life. What do you
mean words? Don't You don't lookat letters on a page and see some

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letters backwards like everyone I thought everyonedoes that. Everyone doesn't see ours backwards,
no matter how many times you're writeon the right way. That's weird,
right. You didn't have to reteachyourself how to write with the other
hand because you can't write write theletter R the other way. You know
that there's there's things that people willliterally go their entire lives with thinking are
completely normal until a neurologist is like, you know, actually doing something and

(01:21:26):
looking at them being like, holyshit, look at this, you know,
look at this walnut size swollen areaof the brain that shouldn't be there.
Tetra chromats, tetra chromits, tetrachromets, chromat I don't want to

(01:21:49):
say that. Tetra chrome chromats BillRedden says are so rare that when a
new person comes forward with an extraordinarycolor vision I it truly makes the news.
I mean one, okay, So, who's ever taken an art class
at a university and they've just showedyou, like the number of grays?

(01:22:12):
What Da Vinci or someone I don'teven quoting, you know, I don't
remember who exactly the number of graysthis person would figure out they exist in
the world. And until this personshowed that visually, everyone just believed there
was three grays or something. It'slike that, you know, there are
certain people that can literally sit thereand articulate something through themselves with hyper fantasia

(01:22:35):
and then translate it very well,a great explainer of things, maybe an
artist, maybe whatever, and thentranslate that out back into the material world
in a way that they just pickedsomething up that you didn't see. Oh
shit, that is kind of thereis no black out there, and it's
kind of just different shades of darkgreen. Wow. I didn't even know

(01:22:56):
that the whole time. I thoughtthe whole world was just black and orange
because I'm fucking color blind. It'slike people don't even realize what is going
on, and I'm that doesn't giveyou authority to say that, yes,
we can all see aliens floating around, but to some people, of course,
you could stretch this and see there'sother there's few conditions that maybe mixed
with hyper fantasia that uh that youknow, that that could could very well

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be responsible for some of the thingsthat we're seeing. And you also have
to go on the pretty you know, the pretty deep theoretical end of it.
Right now, theoretical true, butbased in a little bit of science,
is that some people may in factfeel that they're dealing with things they're
seeing that are in fact interacting withthe real world, you know, uh,

(01:23:43):
in a in a way that probablyis yet to really be explained other
than it's just a hallucination. Doesanyone remember that time I came on the
show that morning and was like,has anyone ever experienced hit hittnygodic uh hallucinations?
Well? I never experienced one,and they're cool, weird as hell,
especially if you're quick to fear.You probably I was looking at it,

(01:24:06):
like what the stappen? I literallysaid in my head, Well,
I you know, literally said inmy hand. You know, in my
head that voice spoke and said tryto grab it or I'm going to try
to grab it. And I triedto grab it and that thing moved out
of the way. That's not amade up story. I had a hallucination

(01:24:26):
after waking up. Right as Iwoke up, I was like just laying
there, opened my eyes and sawthis circle just with all these little black
circles in it, and they weremaking noise and moving around and stuff,
and it was there. It wascrazy. It looked like a cloaked thing
like scanning my face or something.I don't know what to say, how
to describe it. But then I, you know, went and looked and

(01:24:46):
saw that. Of course, geometricthings like wheels inside whatever, wheel inside
of a wheel outside of a wheelinside of a wheel next tour are oftentimes
described when people suffer from hitting whatis hypnagogic hallucinations. And you know,
to me, that seemed like itactually interacted with me because when I said

(01:25:10):
I'm gonna try to grab it,I reached for it like this because it
was just about right aboup, seeminglyright above my head. Of course I
probably wasn't really there, and itwent out of the way and went and
since the wall is like curved,since it's it's the third floor, and
it like went, I watched itlike go right up the wall and like
slowly disappear as it went towards theceiling, and I just went, what

(01:25:32):
the f Like part of me,I know that sounds crazy and for a
lot of people that just hear thisand be like, dude, this guy
is whatever, But I mean,part of me, deep down, I
don't want to be, you know, the victim of some weird scanning,
cloaking, flying biologic thing from alee. I don't know, but but

(01:25:58):
it seems, you know, thereare answers to what I experienced, and
I wouldn't be surprised to some degreethat some people have had hallucinations in which
they feel interact with the environment they'rein or the material world they're in enough
where they're trying to articulate to people. Hey, listen, folks, I
get it. You're saying that Ihad some sort of psychotic break in that
I saw something or experience something thatwasn't there. And they're like, all

(01:26:23):
I'm saying is that I still wasin this world. I was in my
room. I wasn't confused. Iknew what time of day was. I
was reading the newspaper like I alwaysdo. I was laying next to my
husband or my wife or whatever,and I was sitting over there, and
and suddenly this frigging demon came laughingthrough the wall, this black thing,
and was laying next to it.Whatever, you know, whatever the paranormal

(01:26:43):
story is, that goes with it, and they're trying to explain, Like,
I get what you're saying that there, I probably had a psychological break,
but you can't be saying that Ididn't know what was real or not,
because I knew I was in myroom. I knew I was laying
in my bed. I was consciousin a way reading the paper. But
whatever the story is, do youknow what I'm saying? And so you
have this issue where some people havecrossed this line. I'm not saying they

(01:27:06):
actually dealt with a real entity,but in the sense like what the term
entity is. Could you say likenon corporeal if you wanted to kind of
sound you know, more human likemaybe older explanation. Could you say,
you know, other dimensional being,like some sort of modern day person that

(01:27:28):
leads large groups and prayer looking atthe sky. Could you whatever the way
you could articulate it, because tosome degree, since it's acting like it's
conscious and whatever, even though itcould not be, it might not be
entirely or whatever it does to thatperson or to those people in that small
group that experienced it, seem tobe to some degree indistinguishable from the reality.

(01:27:51):
They're in the ground, they siton the air, they're breathing in
this weird effing thing that just showedup and started like moving through trees.
Does anyone have any idea where I'mgoing with this theoretical But obviously if you
use your imagination and say, fora second, let's pretend it's not theretical
and there are you know, ourbrain is very layered in its defense,

(01:28:18):
I don't know what I'm trying tosay, forget it, you know what.
Let me just remind you all.I sorry, I guess it's It's
only been about twelve minutes since Idid this. But just to remind what
you just said is one of themost insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.
At no point in your rambling,incoherent response were you even close to

(01:28:39):
anything that could be considered a rationalthought. Everyone in this room is now
dumber for having listened to it.God have mercy on your soul. Anyways,
what's up, folks, yo?What's going on? Thank you for
being here, you know, andI don't want to go just ramble away

(01:29:02):
about this forever. Of course,there are articles that leave for you.
You can click and you can getyour curiosity inspired. You can go check
out some articles from the New Scientistsand other stuff. I'll give you some
Wikipedia links with tons of sources tobase some of your stuff off. If
I know at all. Oh it'sWikipedia. I'm saying, look at the
sources. If you don't like whatthe sources have to say, compare them
to others. That's inspiring curiosity insteadof trying to weaponize you against whatever else

(01:29:27):
exists out there before we even getto it. I'm not using Wikipedia as
the source ever. Aware That's howit works, right, The little numbers
after recendance of Wikipedia is their source. Sometimes their sources bull crap. Sometimes
their sources some nonsensical bull crap thatyou pick up right away. Other times
it is the standard, the deskreference. It is the best known and

(01:29:51):
pointed to marker paper put together bythe best minds working or paid for at
least at the time, for someorganization or some or whatever. Am I
the only one that recognized with whatthose little numbers are at the end of
the freaking sentence of Wikipedia? Okay, sorry, let's move on here.

(01:30:15):
We gotta go back to our thinghere only don't don't have to before I
say, okay, hold on,hold on here. So in the five
Big personality traits, people with hyperfantasia have often been noted to fall into

(01:30:43):
the openness category. Openness, accordingto Milton F. Fulford, jay dance,
the gotdom of the behavioral neural signaturesand visual imagery vividness, extreme extremes

(01:31:04):
afn stagia versus hyper finstasia. I'llleave it under the show notes for you
to look at. They claim thatnew experiences broad interests and active imagination,
and likelihood of experiencing more positive andnegative emotions and more keenly than other people.
Oftentimes, these symptoms have been notedto be extremely similar to add people

(01:31:32):
got their kids drugged out of theirever loving mother f in mind, and
the goddamn kid is just like Ijust you know, don't handle information coming
at me like this. Maybe Ishouldn't be in a public school classroom with
sixty five children, one teacher andchildren some kids that are bigger than them,

(01:31:53):
and maybe that's not how they learnor something. You know. Remember
the late eighties and nineties. God, we love those pharmaceutical organizations. What's
that your scientific office and medical researchLab? Is a trailer that just showed
up in town? Interesting? Nowthose trailers are giant hospitals. How do

(01:32:18):
they do that? That's amazing.They went from laving little trailers that said
the construction GC on a construction sitewould also have to having huge hospitals in
only like twenty five thirty years.That's amazing. What were they selling?
Oh a riddling well, my bednot so positive after all? Okay,

(01:32:46):
moving on here, Hey, it'snot just riddling. Grow up, Jeff,
be more mature about the subject youcopy or cover. It's also adderall
turns out the people that suffer fromsome of these things cannot handle the simplistic

(01:33:09):
nature of what is being given tothem. Even as a child. They
don't know the information. They justknow this is the worst way to take
in the information. They visualize thingsdifferent. Some people remember that old thing
like it was like breakthrough science.It was like some children learn by hearing,
some learn by looking, you know, some learn by doing. That's

(01:33:31):
weird, but I know we knowthis something to this. But here's what
we're gonna do. Let's just jamall of them together in one room,
and if some of them don't gethow that works, we're going to beat
them over the head. This isscience. Okay, moving on here.

(01:33:55):
Sorry, vivid imagery so comobility,morbidity rather, sorry, is what we're
talking about. Quite often when someof these symptoms and vivid imagery has been

(01:34:16):
correlated with several mood disorders, particularlyanxiety, major depressive disorder, and bipolar
disorder. And you know how allthose are treated. So if you're giving
someone lithium for bipolar disorder, andthey actually have just a vivid imagination.

(01:34:38):
If you're having the symptoms of someonewith bipolar disorder or major depressive disorder or
anxiety, you know, different typesof anxiety disorders, you should of course
seek at least to some degree,some mental health. And I know if
it's expensive or or you know,I'm not saying I don't suggest anything.

(01:34:58):
I'm not a doctor, but Ido feel like there that it is better
to go through layers of psychology psychologicalevaluation before you wind up wind up on
the pharma psychologists stat or table orwhatever the hell they use. I don't
know, bed So, but againthere are there is plenty of evidence that

(01:35:21):
people with hyper fantasia, or especiallypeople with affantasia, are getting treated and
diagnosed with things like mood disorders thatthey don't really have. You know,
in the in the protocols to gaininformation on someone are primitive as f Do

(01:35:42):
you ever feel sad? Yeah,loves problem? Do you ever think about
hurting someone? You? No?But do you know what I'm saying.
Have you ever had like some sortof psych evaluation for a job or or
have you ever you know, ifyou're yourself or a turn from deployment and

(01:36:03):
heard the dumb questions they ask onrepeat, over and over again. It's
like the same question asked five hundreddifferent ways. It's it's the same concept.
It just like you can keep askingthese questions. But if the questions
result in are the questions result inme drawing from this super broad you know
scope you've given me, then ofcourse I'm gonna fall into this zone where

(01:36:28):
the co uh CO, morbility,morbidity. Damn, it is so similar
it's unbelievable. So you gotta becareful. I'm not telling you what to
do with your kids, but youmight want to ask your kid how he
or she or whatever does these doesthe uh does the visualization thing? And

(01:36:48):
don't fill their heads with something beforethey can actually understand it, because you
can literally give the child the symptomswithout even knowing it. You gotta watch
out for some of those things.Here according to how people in extreme image
with extreme imagination are helping explain consciousness. I'm not no wrong one, my

(01:37:09):
bad, that's a different one.I was talking about that Milton whatever article
or that research paper Behavioral and NeuralSignatures of visual imagery, vividness, extremness
Afpanhasia versus hyper fantasia. I'll leaveit in the show that it's if you're
interested. Excuse me, my voiceis going horse. It's the end of

(01:37:29):
the show. Basically kind of wegot twenty more. I mean, we
talk about that so often, andI believe it to be a big part
of a human issue is cyclically notlooking at a specific enough scope through like
a like a actual like a physiologicalresearch, instead of making case files from

(01:37:58):
the user end and putting them inthese categories and finding out later, oh
shit, this person was bipolar.They didn't have a freaking low imagination.
They just happened on that day.Give me this series of accounts of what
they're saying. I mean, youcan't take someone's word for necessarily every time.
I'm hoping that like modern health,modern modern health, monetization not monetization,

(01:38:23):
monitoring mixed with AI is going tobe a significant leap in the lengthening
of human life. The ability tomonitor the body and no longer allow for
people to be misdiagnosed, no longerallow for people to ignore major health conditions

(01:38:43):
or don't don't go unaware of them, you know. Uh, and so
uh, you know, I getreally screamished when I start reading about hyperfantasia
and then seeing how closely it's relatedto these things, And I want to
move off the topic now because I'mnot a trained professional and I have no
right to be telling you anything aboutwhat you should be doing. Mentally speaking,
I do think everyone should at leastseek some therapy to some degree.

(01:39:03):
Not literally, I doesn't even work. I'm telling you, I'm not person
that should be pushing this forward.But I do think that a lot of
people who pretend that they because theyhave friends that are actually talking about shit
that's wrong with them or something,and then you end up finding out that
some things are good to keep bottledup for a long time. Other things

(01:39:25):
are literally going to kill you.Twenty five years early, my stomach just
made the craziest noise. Hey,friends, who wants to see my disgusting

(01:39:49):
setup again? Get out of here, all right, We're back, ladies
and gents, boys and girls.The number of these case loads of these

(01:40:13):
studies are small. This information willchange dramatically using modern computer modern computing and
simulations and observing the brain with differenttechniques and then have ever been used before,
you can expect to see massive leapsand understanding. One of the things

(01:40:40):
Rob and I were talking about yesterdaywas that people were sharing this this uh
doctor Kirkpatrick patent that was related tosomething from you know, that Bob Enman
or something was working at say Isee at the same time that this patent

(01:41:00):
was being transferred or being filed andsupported u with under Kirkpatrick's name all these
years ago in two thousand and twoor whatever or whatever it was two thousand
and whatever for And I was justyou know, looking in all all these
weird connections, and one of thethings that I noticed about Kirkpatrick's patent that
he has not necessarily for its militaryor intelligence applications. So I'm sure it

(01:41:24):
has its uh place that it youknow, find if we brought back the
SDI program, Star Wars program,it would find its place there in a
modern effort. But I think,honestly, like some of the things I
noticed from what I was reading abouthis patent is essentially, like you can
there's new ways to monitor what thebody does on a much different level and

(01:41:45):
clarity than the last tools. Sonot it looks like it's kind of disruptive
in the sense that let's just saythat you stuck to like dio too,
I couldn't even like, can youconnect something that sends off a pulse into

(01:42:08):
your into your into your nerves andsend the body through some sort of scan
that you can see that pulse.Well, according to this patent, according
to seeing how we monitor the brain. Uh with with the old school methods
in neurology, this could open upthe doorway and connect both like live three

(01:42:31):
D holographic in depth analysis and visualizationsof living material. But at all well
I said that backwards. But uh, but it will also be able to
produce you know, solutions uh innatural intrusive ways. Like for instance,

(01:42:51):
if like elon must what you callit doesn't work there with the other things,
uh, neural link doesn't work necessarilybecause the brain always eventually rejects no
matter what it is, even ifit's silicon up there, it will always
like put it out of place oralways mess with it or move it around
or whatever. That This may bea new method to put something in the

(01:43:11):
brain that stays there. This maybe a new method to observe a less
intrusive way, a more natural waythat the brain already does host interesting activity.
What does make it match what existsthere. It's essentially it looks like
essentially using a new lasers to producean extremely detailed nano level microw bigger than

(01:43:35):
nano level imagery of things like relatedto health as well as other stuff.
So I just feel like when Ilook at some of these other things that
we yet we we're still looking atthe brain. What's a what's a good
one? We all understand here,Like if we if we consider technology and

(01:43:58):
like farming, compare that like neurology, whatever, it would seem that some
people that have one foot in philosophyand one foot in the brain would say
things like we are kind of justgetting off the plow level technology when it
comes to neurosciences and actually seeing what'sgoing on down there while it's going on
down there, not just some imageof something. Yeah it's a moving but

(01:44:20):
it's a single skin mapping the brainover and over again with a pulse,
rather than actually seeing it live whenit happens and replicating it so perfectly that
you can then have another system monitorthat that complex observation and turn it into
something extremely valuable like copying nature biomimicry. We are a part of nature.
So looking at it me and like, well, how does the brain produce

(01:44:43):
this little part of the brain throughyou know, evolution. Let's just speed
this up and create something that thebrain will attach to and just do I
mean it literally. It goes indepth in many different directions. And it's
not just ISR, it's not justdefense. I would think that some of
the things they're are working on,like holograms, they're deeply similar to what

(01:45:04):
people describe and a lot of things, but this one, in general,
I think it's closer related to healthresearch and medical research than a lot of
it. We realize his background,after all, is On is in the
biomedical field as well to some degree, isn't it, And that one of
his degrees Sean Kirkpatrick, Doctor SeanM. Kirkpatrick. Isn't it m?

(01:45:27):
But he you know, apply thatsame thing. Imagine that you know,
you have this little vial and youhave this sample of metal, and you
dump this little vial of bacteria onthe sample of metal, and that bacteria
eats away at the surface material ofall this type of this type of metal
that you have in your hand,and it defecates the little the little bugs,

(01:45:48):
the little bacteria. They poop,they eat, and they poop.
They eating, they poop, theyeating, they poop. You take their
poop, and you produce a newproduct that can be used in the most
extreme environments ever, using modern holographictechniques and monitoring them on a up closely

(01:46:10):
getting in the face of that mothereffort as it eats the metal and makes
the poop. You suddenly have.You're you're answering problems that you that you
probably without someone coming along with somesort of way of doing this and disrupting
the whole old method you have.You know, this whole I don't know.
I can only imagine that you haveways to optimize or refine something that

(01:46:34):
you already thought was goddamn near futuristic, like as hell biomining, biofabrication or
biological what is it called biofabri Idon't remember either way, it's like biofabrication
of And they're I don't know.I had I put a paper up one
time and I already forget it.But yeah, thank you, he says.

(01:46:58):
Lou and Lou and all of themhave backgrounds. That's another one as
well, like they there's there's peoplethat have tried to tackle a lot of
problems you know that that we're we'rewe're putting on the earth that really wouldn't
exist without us at all. Imean, there are, of course natural
variants and found there are places innature these are found, but they're never
in the majority, and then neverthe ones that are tipping the scales of

(01:47:18):
any numbers in the atmosphere or anything. But uh, I'm not talking about
volcanoes, and I'm talking about youknow, bacteria that naturally produces something on
its own without human intervention. Butpeople that are trying to make plastic disappear
in the ocean by adding bacteria toit. It eats it and it's it's
uh, it's poop. Essentially,is is this biodegradable thing that just dissolves

(01:47:43):
into the ocean. Though we're goingto see, of course, with all
these that any any unbalanced measure isgoing to lead to some sort of environmental
impact. That's always the case.But I'm like a sci fi nut,
so in my broken, hard tosee mind, I just instantly start firing
off id is and they want tocome out of me. Like a future
where we take a patent like Kirkpatrick'sapply it like a line in the sand

(01:48:10):
and say, hey, listen,if we have the ability to come up
with solutions, and those solutions involveus changing our lifestyle as humans entirely where
our technology are impact on the earth. It looks almost indistinguishable from nature,
but of course it's technology. Haveyou ever seen a goddamn cell phone tower

(01:48:34):
or repeater signal repeater inside of ainside of a freaking cactus or a large
looking pine tree to disguise it amongstthe trees. Well, that's one horrifying
variant. But I'm talking about somethinga little more, you know, a
little more alien like, essentially askinga non human intelligence to help us look

(01:48:56):
at nature and help us produce thethe next product, and the line of
products that looks nothing like the oldversion. It's no longer the iPhone.
It looks, for God's sakes,it looks like a It doesn't look like
anything at all exists in your head. And the implant is something that looks
it's thrown in a lab dish andit can easily be attached to your brain.

(01:49:20):
Your brain adapts, It adapts toit. Your brain brings it in
and starts to work with it.Some of these things that it sounds like
it's attached to, could really makeus become a new species entirely. Everyone
keeps talking about we're going to becomegray aliens or something. And I'm not

(01:49:41):
no offense to those that have pushedthat idea. I know that's their thing,
that that's their hypothesis they're chasing,and that's fine. They're more educated
anthropology than I am. But Iwould suggest that this technology, if we
actually listen to it, if weactually listen to it and apply it to
where it needs to be applied,large commercial industry, a large industry,

(01:50:03):
you have yourself the ability for anon human intelligence to observe nature like it's
never been observed before and show ushow to start off again as a new
species in a new world, nota techno world where everything is goddamn you

(01:50:25):
know, like a Star Wars planet, no nature left, it's all just
covered and freaking and whatever, butlike literally redesigning everything, making it so
it's no longer going to destroy theenvironment in ourselves, or just we have
nowhere to put it, or wecan't generate new abilities, like how did
nature get to where it is?I know, we think we're so much

(01:50:49):
smarter than nature. But I hateto tell you this. You know,
there are a lot of flora andfauna out there that persist in you know,
they seemingly are a lot longer thanwhat we seem to be taking to
these people that are like the earthof seven thousand years old. And I'm
gonna kill you now, but youknow that. You know, nature has

(01:51:11):
had millions of years to come upwith solutions for a lot of problems.
And Kirkpatrick's patent looks like it's ashortcut to monitor nature in a way that
with AI can cut evolution down toa massive degree and apply that to the
way we live as humans, theway we innovate, and the way we
produce. Products oftentimes find themselves inmassive city sky a city size even effing

(01:51:36):
state sized landfills. Look at Africa. There are literally landfills in Africa run
by like Nintendo organization that are thesize of Rhode Island. Don't quote me
on that, but they're quite large. They did a lot of dumping too,

(01:51:58):
Ladies and boys and girls, catsand care and some pooches of pound
puppies were at that time. Ithink I think we can roll out of
here. You've had enough of me. I mean, come on, I'm
the worst, but do me amass of favor, please please. I
don't want to have to beg forthis, but I do need to.
If you're watching on a phone,which the anallytics says you absolutely are,
take your thumb and guide it overthe screen where it shows that thumbs up

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and hit it for us. Hitthat liking, subscribe, leave a comment
below after the show's over, andgive me a few minutes to upload the
show notes and go click and readsome stuff for yourself and see maybe yourself
you fall in that group? Areyou an alleged experiencer? Are you a
person that finds yourself grouping up withpeople that have similar things that happen to
them that happen to you. I'mnot saying it's all in your brain.

(01:52:44):
In fact, some would say thatthere's really at some degree, even like
a Donald Hoffman would. We reallydon't know what's all in our brain or
outside of our brain, or wherethat line is drawn. In fact,
that guy was saying space time isdead over and over again. Remember that
giverse. Okay, good night everyone, goodbye, farewell, Please return tomorrow
for tech Tuesday. You never knowwhat we're gonna cover here. It could

(01:53:08):
be something weird, could be somethingfast, hi, fast, far,
stealthy, weird, signature of reduction. I don't know what we're talking about,
but we'll find out probably probably alittle bit of history of what was
going on with Bob Enman at thetime of all these you know, alleged
phone calls where he admitted things andit all seem out of contact. I

(01:53:29):
know, I trust things. Bythe way, about Bob Eman, they're
like three seconds long. It's like, listen to this clip where he finally
confirms it's all real. Yeah,that we have the bodies behind the think
see that probably be talking about that, maybe the essay I see, and
a few other things. But Idon't know about what you're doing right now.

(01:53:51):
What are you reading, recon Whatare you reading? Here's what I'm
reading. Quick, I gotta turnthis on. Here's what I'm reading.
Ricon. Are those camera angles blowingyour mind yet? Okay, there's no

(01:54:30):
audio. Okay, I beat,I forget this. No microphone on that
camera. So if I shut offthis one, you're obviously not gonna hear

(01:54:51):
it. Anyways, I'm reading.I don't know what you're reading. Right
now, Ricon. But I amgoing back and going over Kenneth Arnold's book
again and noticing some things, youknow, noticing some stuff in there.
One of the things I am oneof the things I you know, I
never really I don't. I guesssome one thing I've remember this is that
how Kenneth Arnold described one of theaircraft he saw as being different than the

(01:55:15):
others. A lot of people forgetthat. Did you know that when Kenneth
Arnold, of course made it toYakima. One of the first things that
other pilots said, Oh, oneparticular was that you just saw missile tests
from out of this out of thisbase whatever. They launch them and they
go right through the mountains over there. You know, something like that.

(01:55:36):
You know, there's just a lotof other facts and stuff. I completely
forgot that when you look into themand look at some specific things. Now,
they don't lead to anything. AndI don't even think the missile is
the answer, of course, ButI do think that there are clues that
you might pick up again now thatyou've learned all these things with us here
about missiles. You know, earlystuff, the earliest nineteen forty five,

(01:55:59):
forty six, forty seven, thestuff being worked on that would be really
fast, really hard to explain,and of course wouldn't look like a traditional
airplane at all, especially from theside view, even as they crossed across
right in front of him. Tosome degree, they were pretty far away.
But you know that, you know, his description doesn't make it so
it's impossible for them to be humanstill, and I not that I truly

(01:56:24):
know that or believe that. Ido remain open, but it is good
to go back to these older accountsof what's going on back then, even
when the accounts of by someone fromthe Air Force or someone was working with
the Air Force, because you thinkthat it's not worthwhile. Their words can
be looked at word for word andreapplied to what we know about history today

(01:56:45):
that they didn't know or the publicdidn't know, or they weren't allowed to
say. Stuff that has been declassifiedprograms that we found out only crap.
There was missiles flying around like this, they were planning nuclear missiles or whatever,
you know, whatever it is,So like, it's really important to
go back and read all those oldoriginal works, especially looking at people's work
who looked into them, you know, like Jack Brews Worker. Of course,

(01:57:08):
please look into some of these becauseit's like you really have to understand
how much we can, you know, reapply as we gain this economy of
information when it comes to what humanscan do. Do me a mass of
favorite that like and subscribe all thatgood stuff I gotta get out of your
friend friends, Do me a massivefavor. As I said, keep it

(01:57:30):
weird, keep your third eypeld lookfor things on the actually offers is how
they appear to be, and youknow the deal. Just be nice to
one another, for God's sakes.If you're going to say something critical,
make sure you're telling a joke.Hey, Ricon, you know, when

(01:58:40):
I die, I want my bodydonated to science, not more, not
just any science, more specifically ascientist who is working on bringing dead guys
back to life.

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