Strange Recon - Alien Encounter in Allagash! - Strange Recon Radio

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Today on Strange Recon. Today onStrange Recon, we are talking about the
Allagash alien abduction case. Just threeyears after the past got Google case,
four men and the Allagash Wilderness Waterwayof northern Maine experienced something allegedly phenomenal,
and we're gonna go over it today. Phenomenal. Let's get it all.

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that, we remember I had that? Remember had that? Remember Remember remember

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remember my mother? You remember mymother? Anything? Remember mother? Remember
remember remember seen never Steen, nemebnot Steen never remember me nevermembering you never

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see, never remembering, never rememberingthing you never heard of, never but
the whole thing, the whole thing, nebbering you remembering you never remember you
never steaming never never love Steen nevernever not a need? What's gil went

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on recon? I hope you're well. I wrote that right now on the
spot. It should be clapped forladies and boys and girls, cats and
kittens and poojas a pound p up. He's welcome back another episode of Strange
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Fly, Flarkey, Lord Ludicrous,Annie, and Rock. I guess you

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good morning, good afternoon, goodor wherever. I know a few of
you were here from the Shy orsome of you were from the other side
of the planet where the elves goand they live forever something. I don't
know the story from your Bible,but thank you so much for being here.
I really appreciate your time today.As I said of the begin the
show, we're gonna talk about theAlley Gash abductions, the alleged ally Gash
abductions, and of course we're goingto have another side of it, because

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I remember there being a very skepticalopinion about this to kind of float it
around in the early mid two thousandsor you know, you know, it
was probably like two thousand and panammercalling and something like that, where there
was a website up from one ofthe people that would constantly get dropped anywhere
anyone was ever talking about it,and it was of course Chuck Rack.

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Chuck Rack, one of the witnessesfrom this case, allegedly from the alleged
abduction case, had flipped and said, no, you know what, none
of this actually happened the way we'resaying. I was kind of pressured into
it by television and everything to sayit like this. So we're gonna go
over that side of it as well. But if you didn't, we'll go
over the case. And broadly speaking, in a second here, the nineteen
seventy six case, it would gounreported for twelve years, was covered by

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Unsolved Mysteries. I watched it asa youngster, and I gotta tell you
that Unsolved Mysteries episode kicked my ass. It was no different than fire in
the sky. You catch a lightin the night sky all alone, you
know, you might as well bejust this innocent mammal walking along when suddenly
a silent owl comes and snatches themup with its talents anost to them their

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last moments of life. Was Iwonder if it was gonna you know what,
Adam, And then whatever the pointis is that it put a fear
in the hearts of people. Thepeople were scared, and there was this
hysteria going on at the time aswell, where there was just one case
after another. And since we're onnineteen seventy six and this case isn't gonna

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take forever to cover, we'll alsogo to the same year where the CIA
allegedly had material evidence of an alienabduction contact phenomena whatever, and we'll go
over those missing documents found at theBlack Vault four your request for him from
him, I just want to checkthat year and see what else was going

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on, and here we have it. So do me a massive favorite coming
before we begin, though, doyour part. I'll be on here every
day as most I can, entertainingyou for free, making dumb jokes and
making myself look bad to everyone forever. Can't take these episodes back Just at
that, like Dribe, hit thehit the leave a comment below rather after

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the show's over. That way,I really know you care and you made
it all the way to the end. There's no way to defeat that you
couldn't just skip the whole thing andthen leave a comment at the end.
I don't know anyways. Okay,so I would like to mention we're gonna
watch a video on a little bitfrom the Joan Rivers Show. We'll probably

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get a cop right, s right, but you know how I'll be,
and we'll see what the witnesses hadto say when they appeared on the early
nineties. I think I think theycame on in nineteen ninety or maybe nineteen
eighty nine. I can't remember theirfirst year or second year of the Joan
River Show, if I'm recalling itcorrectly. Before she really started churning up
the guests, you know, shewas having like John Travolta on like year

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two and stuff. She wasn't gonnahave these losers on after that. Okay,
I can't really remember. I couldbe making that all up, but
we'll go. We'll watch the wholething together. It's quite long. But
first, why don't we do ourselvesa massive favor and go ahead and look
up the Alley Gash River Allagash Waterwayhere on planet Earth. You know what

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I'm saying, Planet Earth? Allright, let's let's ring a stream yard
and YouTube over to the planet Earthside. Let's go right here. Everyone,
from this the video side of theshow, you get to watch me
look at planet Earth from space.This is real time, by the way,

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and I'm actually in space controlling andsatellite. This is the real Earth,
and this is how fast I canmove the satellite around. A new
look and design to speed up howyou create and share. All right,
So let's go to the Allegash Riversystem up here in Maniac. I thought

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I would easily be able to spotof it. Maybe not. It's long
like Allagash Wilderness water where there we'regoing. Okay, the Allagash Wilderness Waterway
has a specific river. These folkswere on the Allagash actual Allegash River,
which I believe is this guy here, and and they were at a position
where it kind of opens up quitewell. And I don't really have the

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coordinants on it. I just rememberthey said they were kind of opened up
a point where you might consider itlike a lake or something, but it
was it's really a river. Andthe Allagash Wilderness is full. It's all
underwater essentially. There's some obviously somehills there, but it's all marsh swamp.
If you're one of these people thatare super into the scientific explanation of

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what this is and it's natural,then you may say it is the perfect
place to see weird you know,types of lights flying around for no specific
reason other than some sort of naturalgassing and hydro geologic thing or something.
I don't know. But the AllagashWilderness is all marsh all steamy swamp land

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looking places, and of course theriver that's there. And this is where
it is in the world. Ifyou don't know where Maine is, if
you're from the other side of theplanet allegedly and don't know where that is,
it's a Maine's right there. Soif you're like, if you're like
from the half, if you're likein Gao, no, what is that
You're like halfway to the moon.This is where Maine is. Just so
you know, I don't know whyI'm saying any of this. Okay,

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So here we are. That's main. There's the alesh Worlderness. You know
where you're at. Now, thisis the fire story. Rob saysn't it
is? It's uh, it's it'sa story. I swear to God when
I read that. When I watchedthis and unsolved Mysteries as a child.
You know Unsolved Mysteries if you everwatched it when you were young, that
they scored the show so good thatit actually struck fear and that guy's voice

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on the night of nineteen seventy it'slike, you know, it's just crazy
and it really did affect me whereI thought, holy cow, like,
you know, did that thing thatI saw with my mother that time,
was it trying to abduct me orsomething? I never believe that, maybe
because I didn't get you know,hip hip hypnosis done to me. But
we'll say, we'll get into this. Okay, let's get into the case

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real quick. As you know,you can watch the Unsolved Mysteries episode version
of it, but you can seeif this matches up according to uh,
according to the folks involved here.Okay, this is just a rough little
uh whatever, a rough basis ofwhat happened here. Essentially, Heineck classification

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given to the case back in nineteenseventy six was a close encounter number four
abduction of the witness witnesses. Itwasn't given a nineteen seventy six because this
wasn't known to the eighties. Soanyways, but August twenty six, nineteen
seventy six, late at night inthe in the Alagash Wilderness Waterway of northern
Maine. They had, you know, no one around for hours. Duration

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took place over the course of twoto three hours of alleged missing time.
Now we all know it. Missingtime is very controversial, just like hypnosis,
to get a get a confession,or get someone to tell you exactly
what happened to them during this allegedencounter where this light or this craft in
the sky, but that's also involvedin this case. So just to give

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you put your red flags up already, not to confirm any of your bias,
but let's just say keep it inmind. It's very questionable and I
will provide, like I said earlier, evidence of one of the people who
said that they didn't really buy thehypnotic regression therapy thing. They believe they
were about fifty to seventy five yardsfrom the object at its closest point when

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they're in the canoe. They believedthey were looking at a sphere shaped object
at the beginning of the encounter,and it was huge, bright, multikilored
sphere of light that was changing inapproaching them at what appeared to be a
rapid pace at one point, butthey kind of vary in their descriptions of
that. So in August of nineteenseventy six, four young art students and
their twenties left for a canoe campingtrip and the mains Allagash Wilderness. On

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one night during the trip, theyencountered a huge oval sphere spherical, they're
not sure, glowing object rising abovethe trees nearby and resuming gulfed in a
beam of light from the craft,as discovered in hypnosis sessions years later.
Just like basically everyone in and aroundthat time period who went through something.

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It was at this point that allfour were quote abducted into the craft and
they're subjected to physical examination. Theydidn't recognize it right away. Other stuff's
involved, not just hypnosis. Therewas an injury that suddenly triggered weird seizures
that would bring on memories a foggyalien like creatures right up in their face,

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right up in their anyways, thealler Gash four. Remember, I
have to wave my arms around alot to be a show that people want
to watch. The YouTube has toldme I have to be like this guy,
mister beast who's always like doing thisin every video, So you have
to have multiple like angles of youwith the camera going. I get a
second camera so I can also pointmy arms and wave them be like UFO

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Jesus, they said. On Fridaynight, August twentieth, nineteen seventy six,
four young art students in their earlytwenties, as I said, left
Boston, Massachusetts for a canoe tripcamping in the northern wilderness. The group
consisted of identical twins Jack and JimWiner. Okay, ever pronounced it,
I won't say the other way.You're not gonna catch me saying the name

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the other way like some have saidit's supposed to be pronounced. I'm no
pervert. Charlie Faults, I'm justkidding Anime and Chuck rack upon arrival at
stage. At the staging point,they hired a pontoon airplane, which flew
them and their canoes to the tellUs Lake on Alagash Waterway. There we

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go. Then I messed up.I should have known them. I should
have remember it in my own notes. I'm an idiot notes. During the
next several days, they canoed andcamped along the waterway on the evening of
Thursday, August twenty six, theyreached Eagle Lake, set up camp,
and decided to go night fishing fortrout. That's normal. The pitch darkness

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of the area necessitated the building ofa huge bonfire. That was a that
was a huge part of the storythat had to stress all the time.
We'll get into wy here in aminute, Robert, he knows. They
had to build a huge bonfire tomark their campsite so that they could find
their way back to it in thedark. Shortly after beginning to fish,

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Chuck became aware of a feeling,a feeling of being watched. You know
that feeling when you're being watched.I want to say a joke, God,
all right, you know that,you know that feeling of being watched.

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And you looked over and there Iam looking through your windows. All
right? I turned all right,let's move on, grow up. We're
trying to trying to get through acase. Here. I turned towards the
direction from where I felt this andsaw a large bright sphere of color,
light colored light, hell colored lightyear. Is this hovering, motionless and

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soundless, two hundred to three hundredfeet above the southeastern rim of the cove.
Now at this point you're probably thinking, was it a star or they
confused? Where they just seeing something. Here's a confession, and I don't
care what you think. I wasup in the White Mountains. Remember I

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did that episode, and I sawli'm a being in the sky, bright
super bright light, li'm of beingin the sky, And as soon as
I looked at it, I went, what the hell? And from right
to left it just disappeared. Rightto left, I was just miles somewhere.
Betty and Barney Hill misidentified where theywere, but either way I saw

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it. I also was looking foran apartment not too long after that,
in an area not too far awayfrom that, And as I talked to
the people that I was getting theapartment from, who happened to be an
airport in the middle of nowhere,And all of the people in the neighborhood
that lived with them also had planesin their garages and big hangars that opened
up and they could bring their planeout. It was all jet fighters and

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stealth bombers and flank sauces. Itwas they were all. They were all
ragged nineteen seventies heavy engine spiral outof control type of airplanes anyways lead in
your face while breathing it in.I didn't want to live there, but
they were, they were there.They just talked about how when they went
for a flight. The ladies said, when they went for a flight,
they saw a streak of light andeveryone in the aircraft looked looked at it

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and they didn't know what it was, just fly past the aircraft and they
said, it's not crazy to seeweird lights like almost like lightning or something,
but like horizontal to the ground,happening to around those these mountains and
in New England. No, Idon't know how routine those sightings are,

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but allegedly the lady who was herand her boyfriend her husband were pilots that
you know, they lived there andflew all the time. That's what that's
literally what they did. He wasthe instructor in the area. Claimed it
wasn't super rare. So I joineda group of seeing something that I couldn't
need to identify and vanished. Itwasn't a star and if it was,

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it was waiting to be born.It gets itself to the American Idol or
the X or some sort of showthat can you know, get it,
get itself. All right, I'msaying, let's move on. Please focus
Jesus uh, let's see here.So after watching this light two or three

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feet above the trees alleged lady behindthem, Chuck yelled for the others to
look behind them. There, risingabove the trees was a huge, oval,
glowing object. As their eyes becameacted to its immense brightness, a
gyroscopic motion was noted, as ifthere were pathways of energy flowing equilaterally in

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longitudeally totally from pole to pole.This divided the sphere into four oscillating quadrants
of red colored light, a brightcolored light red, faint red, yellow,

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white, and a light blue orsomething I don't The color changes were
very liquid and enveloping of the entirething, as it's as if the object
had a plasmatic motion to it,like I think sauce does, as it's
starting to boil. And it wasinside this globular form in front of them,

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Charlie said, And there was ahead on top of a wheel,
and a wheel under a wheel,and then a wheel inside of a wheel,
and then a wheel next to awheel with a head on it,
and the head of us sphinx,And surely there as if you'll behold the
wheel on a wheel, inside ofa wheel, next to a wheel,

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there should make medication for someone likeme. And I really apologize for his
friends. I really do. Iapologize. I'd like to move on now
and take that all back. Charliedidn't say that. Charlie grabbed a flashlight
and blinked it out the object,as you do. You know, what
are you? I'm not gonna liethat night in the White Mountains. I
literally did have a flash it out, and constantly I was like a helicopter,

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turn your lights back on up there? What are you doing? Instantly
after the flashlight blinked at the object, the huge, rising, glowing object
came to an abrupt halt and beganto slowly approach the canoe. I guess
it didn't halt. They shine theflashlight at the object. Hold up,

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all right, I fucking I swearto God. I think my mind is
truly broken today. I don't knowwhat it is. Maybe it's because I
haven't slept in four days, butI think I'm completely unconscious right out all
right. Any answers, don't mockEzekiel wheel, Hey, how do you
know what I was describing Oh whenI said ezekiel shit. Okay, then
there was a ball inside of theball. There was a ball next to

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a ball, and a sphinx hishead lie on the ball. And everyone
knows that the ball was in onthe other ball. Half a ball lie
on the side of the ball.It is known the moon is dragonheck,
mother of dragon. Okay, sorry, I should stop after all, that

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is the bibble. What's going onhere? Wow, the video quality is
really dropping here, Lord Ludacris saysthe Allagash Companies actually a beer company too.
I didn't even know that. HaveI ever had their beer, I
would have thought I had it.No, I ain't think that yet.

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Okay. So Charlie grabbed a flashlightand blinked it out the object. Instantly,
the object, the huge, risingglowing object, halted, and I
guess changed directions for a moment afterhalted and came towards Charlie and the rest
of the folks in the canoe.Did four people in a canoe fishing with

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four That's the hardest part for meto believe. What is this a fucking
eighty foot twenty two minutes? Imade it twenty three minutes into the show.
Rather, I made it twenty threeminutes. Uh, okay, I

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did I apologize for that, recon. I did not mean to do that.
Let's see. Have you ever triedto fish with two people in a
large canoe? It's tough. Haveyou ever tried to fish with three people
in a large canoe? It's kindof a silly, annoying thing to do.

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Have you tried to fish with fourpeople in a canoe? Are you
an idiot? All right, sorry, that's all right, but seriously,
four people in a canoe fishing?What were they using? Fishing poles made
for elves? Four people in acanoe for gosh sakes. Okay, anyways,

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here we go. Let's catch youup since my brain issues aren't really
letting you get the story in asingle fashion. Here ready, there's two
hundred three hund feet above the trees. Allegedly there is a light moving.
They flash a flashlight at it.This thing suddenly starts coming right at him.
For Christ's sakes, Chuck yelled,look out, not like that,

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but a glowing ring with a darkercenter reflected on the water's surface, indicating
that a beam was hollow. Thisbeam, this tube shaped light seemed to
erupt from the object and come downover the water, allowing everyone to see
it. The object and its beammoved towards the canoe all at once,

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so the beam was already out likecame out beforehand. Terrified, the campers
began paddling frantically, even one withtheir hand their bonfire and camp as a
beam I'm sorry, heading frankly towardsthe camp as the beams swept across their
canoe directly engulfed them. It's atthis point I'd like to show you images

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that the uh the what do youcall it? Freaking uh unsolved mysteries displayed
for us US youngsters at the timeto watch that and think, holy cow,
this is something, this is thisis real. I mean, why
would these people, why would anyonesay this? This is terrifying. Sorry

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for my loud clicking everyone, Iapologize. Recond if you can hear this,

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Hold on one second, I'm gettingsome errors here. I gotta restart
or something. I don't go anywhere. I'm gonna try to just refresh and
see if I can fix this.It's saying I'm locked. How's that?

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Recon can hear me? Now?I just got an error code and from
stream Yard in the middle of thestreaming different PC, different web browser,
must be stream Yard. Okay,as I was trying to say, let's
bring up a couple of images here. Here is their the their their description

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of I mean, even Chuck whochanged while we'll get into that change what
he saw. I know that's prettyrough image there, but that's actually one
of the images shown on the fromthe original artist rendition of what took place.
But you know, with them describingit. But they basically see a
light, a beam come out ofthe light and come right at them.

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That's what they all led so far, and at this point they are frantically
trying to head back towards their campsiteafter seeing this thing here. So let's
bring up now what what they claimhappened next. If you're following along so
far, you're gonna love this part. Sorry, Rickin. I'm looking for

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the image for the show and it'sthey're just not there where I've had them
ready to go. I want tojust bring it straight from the website.
You can find it all on theshow notes after the show, of course.
I want the image of them gettingpulled out of the canoe, which
was on Unsolved Mysteries, which everyoneloved. O. Son of a bitch.

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Where isn't it dart it? Imean, okay, I shouldn't have
done that. Okay, let's bringthis image up real, real quick,
because I can I get it going. There we go, finally, sorry,

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there's something wrong with it. Herewe go, let's go. Here's
the image that was one of theimages used when they first put the case
together, was presented to the UFOcommunity, and of course I made it
onto mainstream television. Then you know, we'll get into the video of the
case happening soon. Here is animage, an image rather freaking painting that
that fit ufology so well, didit not? The ambiguous light in the

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sky, you know, a beampeople being abductive fits you followed in for
nineteen seventy six, right, Well, I think what of the cases are
happening a few years before? Andyou know, shortly after there were alleged
UFO cases that that had material evidencethe CIA had collected allegedly. I don't

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know. We're gonna look into thedocumentary at the Black Vault and a little
bit, but you know, thethe sediment was that there was a UFO
flap happening, and people were comingclose contact with aliens and they were abducting
people. They were arriving in anunexplained and unexplainable oh, they were using
an unexplainable force to stop people fromrecalling the incident of their running with the

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alien very clear and through this newtechnique that was becoming all the rage.
Now, don't don't hate me forsaying this, because it's not that I'm
I'm not saying I know better thaneveryone is, certainly not, but I'm
just saying there is there are majorflaws, and I should know, but
because I've experienced it from the user, and let's see what you got regress
me, Let's see what I can, Let's see what I say, And
I said some stuff, But thereis there is this solution for people that

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could not remember their alien abduction experiencewell enough to recall it to the investigators,
and it was regressive therapy, andmoof on had their own, you
know, specialists, even the hopinvestigators. An investigator who was supposed to
be very you know, objective,very material about what's going on, was

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also hypnotizing people and getting information outof it and adding it to the case
Okay, let's get into it realquick. Here. Doo doo, doo
doo. All right, back toit. Okay, Core is like doing

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breakdancing over there. Sorry for thenoise, if you can hear that,
I apologize. Cour was trying tofind a seat, okay, Charlie grad
professional. I blinked it at theobject came down and sucked him up.
Allegedly, Jack and Jim were ableto consciously remember a bit more than simply
trying to paddle away when the beamof light struck them. And here is

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where the conscious memories of the fourindividuals would begin to differ, and skeptics
would grab onto that. Of course, it was highlighting an issue. You
know, what's up with the storiesall changing? Here? It was from
this point the conscious memories of thefour differed according to each witness vantage point.
The next thing Charlie remembered was paddlingfor the shore and standing at the

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camp site with the others watching theobject move away. Chuck Rack remembers staying
in the canoe after the others hadpiled out and Panic onto the shore,
transfixed, still holding his paddle,he cannot take his eyes off the object.

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Jack and Jim were able to consciouslyremember a bit more than the other
two. After that paddle event,As I just said, Jack said that
it was just behind us, andI could see that we were never going
to outrun this thing or it's beam. It was advancing too fast, and
I remember thinking, quote, Holyleep, this is it. We'll never

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get away the thing. The nextthing I knew, we were on the
shore getting out of the canoe,looking directly at the object, which was
now about twenty to thirty feet abovethe water. The beam was coming out
of the boat, coming out ofthe bottom of the object, and was
hitting the boat. The beam.I can't tell if this person means they

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possibly went through the boat, sittingon the bottom through the boat, I
got if that means it hovered thereright in front of us, completely silent,
for what seemed like four or fiveminutes. Suddenly the beam was pointing
up towards the sky instead of theground. The object began to move up
in a way from us towards thesouthern sky, and then shot into the

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stars and was gone in just asecond, as that famous ufology line usually
goes. Jim, one of thetwo brothers, said, there was no
mistake. It was coming directly tous. Then I remember standing on the
lake shore watching the object hovering abovethe lake fifty to seventy five yards in

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front of us. There was asearch beam, allegedly search beam went up
into the sky and we saw itmove away at tremendous speed. We all
seemed to be in a state ofshock. We just stood there, unable
to move or talk. Did wejust meet Captain Spock? I hope not?

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All right? Now, that's whenthe strange, when the strange effects
wore off, their shock or whateverwas actually happening to them. It was
like an anesthesia. Almost. Chuckgot out of the canoe and joined the
others as they trudge dreamily up thebeach to the camp. Even in this
state, they were dumbfounded when theyrealize what had happened. Hey, where's

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the huge bonfire? Rebuilt? Itwas sent for? Made for two,
three, four, five, evensix, seven, eight, nine,
ten. Let you never know whatthey say. They've changed the story quite
a bit how big the camp fires? But at least three hours. They
can all agree that at least threehours they built this fire. That large
eleven inch diameter ten inch diameter logsin this thing I mean, you can't

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just burn those fasts, you knowwhat I'm saying. It's a very,
it's a very. Sometimes it's likethe reason that justifies that you've you've lost
time is so simple that it hasto be a lie only jokers would believe.

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But then it seems that you know, it's just never gone away.
That's like the same thing that's usedtoday are the things that was used before
this case, like a damn skyand all the way today there's always like
this very that you would think peoplewill grow out of it, but it's
still today. It's like, well, we built a fire and the fire
was gone, we got back,so obviously we're missing time. Obviously there's

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something that's happened there. Let's gofind an investigated help us years later.
Why don't we at this point stoptalking about the Alagash case and hear it
from the victims, victims themselves hereon Strangery con we are going to watch

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this four educational purposes in the publicclip from a large network production back in
eighty nine, and I think thatshould be fair to use for educational purposes.
No idea what I'm saying here,So YouTube Fox Entertainment don't come after

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me. I'm with you. Alldemon crats are bad or I don't believe
that. I'm just kidding. Allright, Let's get into this real quick.
The Aleagashall Induction On the Joan RiverShow August nineteen seventy six, four
young men sat out on a twoweek happy canoe trip in northern Maine.

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Little did they know that that tripwould change their lives absolutely forever. Not
only did they see a UFO,but twelve years later, on the hypnosis,
they discovered that the space class andhave been subjected to a series of
physical experimentations by alien beans. Hereto tell their story for the first time
on television and prouting on our show. First are Jack Wiener, his brother,

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Jim Winer, Charlie Folds, andChuck Luck. Please welcome a little
the story, which is in twobooks. One is called Secret Life,
firsthand documented accounts of UFO Abductions,and the other is called the alagash Abductions
Folk Bassing. Did any of youbelieve in UFOs where you started out at

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that time? Metza Mezza? Whatabout you do believe in them? You
believe? You know, I alwaysbelieve that we can't possibly be the only
planet in the universe that has intelligentlife on it. Okay, and open
minded? Open minded? But didJefferson and ramsay I really believe it?
So you just gonna let it go, all right? Now? You all

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met where a college? Yeah,can you believe? Four people started out
on the trip to the normal campingtrip landed. We had to fly in.
It was a very remote area.We flew into the lake northern northern

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May. Oh, yes, wayup there. Okay again, Canada,
I was in Canada. Now.Something happened the first night, the second
night, the second night, yes, we all were all camped on a
beach on Chamberlain Lake with a fewother campers. There might have been a
dozen or fourteen other campers there,and we saw a very bright light in

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the sky that had a reddish castto it to the east, and we
thought it might have been Mars.It was so bright we didn't know what
to make of it. But thenit just did something strange. It collapsed
on itself. It became inverted andclosed in like an eyelid coming over an
eye. And then it did thecheer episode and everything is fine, And

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then what happened two days later?A two nights late, well, two
nights later, we were at adifferent camp site on a different lake.
It's called Eagle Lake, Okay,and we decided that we would go out
and do some night fishing. Soall four of us climbed into a single
canoe with our fishing gear after layinga big fire, so that right,
how to get back? It wasthere was no moon that night, and

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we had to lay a big firetoo, asked for about three hours,
and Jack was, you were quiteconcerned that was going to burn the whole
fall stuff. That's right. Iremember I kept complaining that we almost made
the fire too big. Okay,so you could find your way back.
We all get in the canoe,and we all get in the canoe.
We go out to gold fishing.How fall, How did you go?
We were but two thirds of theway across a narrow inlet where we were

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camping, was approximately three hundred orso yards wide, and we were about
a hundred yards from the far shorefrom our campsite when one well, we
were out just you know, tryingto catch a few fish, and a
little while later we found out wewere catching the day. How what physically

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happened? Well, what did yousee what came down. It started because
we were getting bit up by mosquitoes, and we started towards our camp fire,
and I was in the back ofthe canoe and I noticed at first
I felt like someone was staring atme on a subway. That's the feeling
I had. I turned around tolook on my right shoulder and there was
a ball of light. Yeah.I've been sketching, obviously, Yes,

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and this is just a few minutesketch. But it was above the lake
shore, above the water, andit had a a sort of an energy
pathway around the polar and equatorial sidesof the thing, dividing into four oscillating
quadrants of colored light. And itlooked very liquid in appearance, and the

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color changes went from red to greento bright yellow white, and they seem
to It's at this point again,I'd like to remind YouTube or anyone else
that this is you being it's inthe public sector since nineteen eighty nine.
I'm using it for educational purposes.This case is the public case being open
investigation since nineteen seventy six. Thisis being used again for educational purpose,

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spreading awareness of this ongoing traumatic caseand after to these people follow this gyroscopic
pattern. Okay, let me askyou, and I don't want to making
Jim, don't take this personal.You're on drugs. No, when you're
drinking four guys, absolutely not.Students aren't having a good time a couple
of beers. No, it's notallowed on the audience to New trip.

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Well, that does not really,it's simply not allowed. And when you
check in to the to the Lakesystem, there's a ranger that comes and
you have to register and they checkyou. They ask you, and they
look give you a good look over, and if they do find alcohol or
drugs, you're out without a refund, absolute sober. Okay. They you

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see this ball of light. Whatcame next? Well, we were watching
it. U It had no sound. We were down wind from it.
No noise whatsoever, no whirrying,no humming, no purring, no sound
of wind, absolutely nothing. Andit was huge. It was as big
as a two story building, perfectlyspherical. So talk to each other and
you say, oh my god.Yeah, we were like, holy mackerel,

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what is this? And we knewthat it was what we had seen
two days before. It's the samequality of light. So at first we
thought, well, jeez, isit a weather ballooon? No, it
doesn't look like a weather balloon.It's too big. We thought, well,
it can't be a helicopter. There'sno noise. So I mean we
were like, jeez, that's gottabe a UFO. What else could it
possibly been? Well, right,I mean, I would be in that

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water and swimming ashore like as thewing and it was an it was.
We had mixed feelings. I mean, you're you're literally awed by this sight
because while you're looking at this,you're thinking, you're going through all this
thing, what is this? It'snot this, It's not that. Sooner
or later you come to the conclusion, well, it's got to be a
UFO. That part of it isit leaves you awe struck, I mean

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absolutely awesoright, Well, you getyou get a little frightened too. At
least we got a little fright now. Charlie our chuck. He remained a
little calmer. He seemed to bea little more calm with it all.
So you get the feelings are mixed. What you signaled to take a flashlight
flashed at it. It U remainedstationary after we first saw it appear above

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the tree tops, and we justsat looking at it. One who look
at that? Then it started movingas we were viewing it to our right,
and when it had moved a fewyards, I picked a flashlight up
and flashed at it, at whichpoint it had a large light immediately hit

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the water surface, and both itand the light started approaching us. Now,
then what happened? Then the lights? Can we get a bit to
The light came down out of itwhen you flashed it right all right,
and approached the boat. And thenwhat happened? We decided we could see
it just as good from shore aswe could from We started to get the

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shore right and did it follow you? Yes? Oh yes, it came
right up behind us, did itenvelope you? Well, the light was
on the water behind the canoe,and I remember paddling out the side of
the canoe with my hand because atthis point we just wanted to get away
from it. Yeah. And uh, suddenly I was looking over my shoulder

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while I was paddling, and itwas getting very very close, and it
seemed to be closer than it shouldbe, Like at one point it was
way back there, and all ofa sudden it was right behind us.
And the beam of light was comingright up to the back of the canoe.
And at that moment I knew inmy mind that we weren't going to

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out paddle this light, that thiswas it. They were going to get
us right then, what happened?Do you remember at that point we have
a period of time where we arevery confused or can't remember how we got
the shore and how we got tocamp. See, the next thing you
all logically remember was being on thebeach watching it. We turn, we

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got to the beach, we gotout of the canoe, we turned around.
It was right in front of us, and we watched it for a
few moment moments, and then itappeared to implode, blink out on the
top. It was a very strangeway of doing It was almost like the
light goes like that, and itwas at first we thought advantage. Then
we saw it moving up through thesky and the beam was still going up

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into the sky, and it wasit was kind of like eclipsing, almost
as if the light was going throughand in like when the moon eclipses and
phases. That's the appearance it was. And within seconds this thing had gone
up and became a star. Itmoved around to the southwest on the horizon
and then just disappeared out of Didanyone hear how he described I'm not saying

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I agree with these people are claiming, because I do think that at least
one major side of this case,which we haven't even got into yet,
which is the regressive side or hypnosisside. But he described it like the
ellipse of like the like the moongoing like you know or whatever he's describing
the moon of the sun, theidea of the moon blocking off the sun,

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or you know, the sun hatcoming out of the other side of
the moon, you know, exposingitself. That's what that little lima being
looking thing in the White mountains did. That's exactly how I would describe it.
It looked almost as if like itjust like we're like a like a
shade was shut or something like watchjust like that. It didn't go flying

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away, it just want And I'venever really had anyone describe at Ufol like
that, uh, or seen anyonereally described That's exactly how I went away
whatever until I saw that, butnot too far away. Similar area.
Now, what about the fire youleft what a few minutes ago? Thought?
Yeah, about twenty minutes ago.We figured we had gone out under

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the water, and when we walkedback to the campsite, sent wow,
it was incredible. What do youthink about it? And uh got up
to the camp fire and said,jeez, you know the fire's out.
Do you think we should you know, make build it up again? Everybody
said, nah, nah, leaveit, leave it out. So we're

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pretty much all crashed and turned infor the night. We would build a
fire that should have lasted three hours, four hours or five hours. Even
we had huge logs on this.The ranger shows up and it's like,
who the hell's fire is this?And why is no one here? I'm
gonna put this out? Not possible. No one put it out. No

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person showed up and put the fire. It was definitely a burning out now
anyway, Okay, fires diameter,yeah, and it would have burned along
obviously, But did you say toeach other if the fire's out, that
means time time we were it was. It was very strange showing because we
were all we we just had thisthis feeling of being tired and we wanted

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to go to bed. I likenit too. Were having a local anesthetic.
If you have an injury to yourfinger. The doctor will freeze your
your limb and you'll become very relaxedand unconcerned. And that's the feeling we
had, very unconcerned. Did youtell anybody? Did you talk about this
among yourselves and tell everything? Soback and said, you're not gonna believe
what happens, that this light wascoming after me, and I was crazy.
Well, the next day we talkedabout it a little, which was

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unusual because you'd think that something likethat we would that's all we would talk
about. But we didn't talk aboutit much. We were still kind of
in shock from it all. Andby the end of the next day we
were kind of coming out of theshock and we started to talk among ourselves
a little bit more. And whenwe got to our next camp site,
we signaled a ranger who was crossingthe lake on a boat to come over.

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And when the ranger came over,we told him about the sighting and
what did he say? He said, are you on drugs? Are you
Drake King? He said what Isaid? I had to get dragun out
fellows. Yeah, yeah, pickmay and act sent and he says,
you know, they had this openingfor a hardware store down Millanoket, and
they brought a couple of searchlights andthey criss crossed them in the sky out

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of a bat and pickup truck.And that's probably what you guys saw.
So that's kind of now, letme get bells away. Was Millanocket and
that's what it was, with twolights collecting anyway, looking out Joe And
you know, like a lot oftimes, you can tell by a person's
facial expressions in their eyes when they'relying. And we knew he was lying.
I knew he was lying. Icould tell by his eyes right away.

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But he knew what we were talkingabout, and he was trying to
to play it down. Okay,well a guy to comuck. Let me
come back. We're gonna talk aboutnow. This is a moment we could
all ask ourselves a few things herebefore we even get into the second part
of the story. And you know, be advised, we're armed you know,
you're armed up with the truth.Now. There have been some incidences
where it seems almost like that hypnosismight have actually did bring on some memories

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that were useful. But I don'tknow anything enough about that. And there
is a lot of literature out therethat would suggest that there are major flaws
with it. Okay, Now,one of the reasons that you know you
have, I mean, one ofthe questions you have to ask yourself before
we watch on and then get intoall this other stuff, is that did

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these folks go twelve years without talkingabout the other side of this experience because
of a drug or a piece oftechnology that aliens have like a flashing men
and black thing to remove or seriouslydelay your ability to recall a memory without

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the special use of hypnosis, orthrough years of being interested in UFOs after
their experience, they fell into thetrap it was happening at the time alien

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abductions into some sort of doctor's officelike scenario. They go into get regressive
therapy, and what happens? Whathappens? They say exactly what basically anyone
at the time would have known ifyou were into UFOs, Ask yourself that

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question. A piece of what essentiallywould be to this day indistinguishable from magic
piece of technology, or they werefilled up in you know, primed,
set ready to go hypnosis. Suddenlythere now reporting bulbous headed figures standing above

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them taking semen out of them andstuff. I shouldn't have said that,
but that's what they claim. Imean, I know I'm gonna get tripped
up with that now, but goodbyemonetization. All right, back to the
episode again. This is an educationalThanks for running awareness of this ongoing case
for research for these four people thatare once alleged publicly that they were abducted

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by aliens. Now, this couldbe a dangerous place to go for all
visitors, and if we don't talkabout it, they could be in danger
if they're not aware of a flyingflashlight that does what I actually just said
a second ago. All Right,it's fun what happened and how you all
really found out what happened years andyears later, and we will be back
at twelve years later. Twelve yearslater they found out that they really were

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abducted by aliens. Fascinating. Weare back and we are talking with four
men who underwent a mysterious alien abductionwhen they were still going to school and
now twelve years are talking about it. What happened started in nineteen eighty eight.

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This happened in nineteen seventy six,right, and then you all went
back, you went to school,you got married, you had lives,
right. What happened in nineteen eighteight that kicked off this whole thing.
What started at all was I wasbeing treated at a local hospital in my
town for an epilepsy, a seizuredisorder that I had gotten from a head
injury. I had a very badaccident, and I was being treated for

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that. And one of the typeof epilepsy I have is temple lob limbic,
which means temple limbic epilepsy. Itaffects, oh gosh, all kinds
of things, a lot of parasympatheticfunctions, breathing, heart rate, temperature
control, affects my olfactory sense,so I smell things. I have time
displacements where I get confused about what'shappening in the immediate time. Lots and

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lots of things, right, Andeven an accident came from an accident that
occurred in nineteen seventy eight, okay, And so I was being treated for
this, and at that time Iwas having these bedroom experiences where I would
wake up at night and there weresomething in my bedroom that was trying to
pull my covers off the bed.I could feel them trying to pull me

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out of bed. I would beeither totally or partially paralyzed. I would
hear a voice next to my earthat sounded like something was trying to talk
to me, but I could neverunderstand what it was. Would you like
to hear ye? I know,this is exactly what sounded like. Was
like wow, yea. Yeah.It was a kind of thing where you

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think if you, if I justgot a little closer, I could get
it. But you never do.But you can't move. You feel terrified.
You know there's something in your room. They're doing something to you,
and you can't there's absolutely nothing youcan do about it, and you swear
you're awake. I mean, it'sone thing if you wake up and say,
oh, what a terrible nightmare I'vejust had, But when you absolutely

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believe that you're awake during this kindof event really done some serious things to
your mind, right. And soI got in the habit where I wasn't.
I was afraid, literally afraid togo to sleep at night. I
was going around the house locking thewindows. I was literally padlocking myself into
my bedroom because I thought whatever itwas, I could keep it out.
You married at this time, No, No, I wasn't married at this

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time, A single and I wasliving with other roommates at the time.
In fact, when Charles was oneof them, Charlie was one of the
roommates. I was living with Charlieand three other roommates in an apartment,
and of course they noticed I wasbeing a little strange, and of course
I wasn't sleeping. My seizure activitiesstarted going up. The doctors at the
hospital started asking me questions about it. Well, at first I didn't want

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to talk about it because I didn'twant him to think I was crazy.
Well, eventually they said, well, Jim, if you don't talk to
us about it, we're gonna dropyou as a patient. We know there's
something wrong. We can see you'renot sleeping and your seizure activity is going
up. If you talk to usor you're out of here. So,
I mean, you know, theybent my arm and I had to tell
them. Well, when I toldthem, they were holy mackerel. What

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do we do now, Guys,in that case the guy's in nutcase or
if if he isn't, we don'tknow how to deal with him. So
but actually the psychiatrist that I wasseeing, he specialized in the tempor lindic
epilepsy was he was a really reallygood person, not just a good psychiatrist,
but a very good person. Andhe said, look, Jim,
I'll see what I can do.Maybe I can find someone in somewhere who

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deals with people like you. AndI said, okay, I would really
appreciate that. And about a weeklater he called me on the phone and
he said, well, you know, Jim, there's a UFO convention being
held at a neighboring town and RayFowler is going to be there. And
at that time, I believe RayFowler was the head of Northeast investigations for
Mouffon. He said, why don'tyou go talk to this guy. I'm

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sure he'll know who he can whoyou can be referred to for help.
You know you obviously need it.So I did. That's how I raign
in the Ray Fawler. I wentto this convention and I talked to Ray.
I told him the story and hewas there. I think he was
lecturing or selling one of his previousbooks, because he has a few out,
and he said, to you towhat to have hypnosis? He that,

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yeah, that's exactly what he said. The thing that tipped them off
was this twin business. You know, I mean what I he I.
We told him the story and Isaid, well, my identical twin and
two other friends. He goes,wait, did you say identical twins?
And I said yes, He said, come here. He took me in
a side room and made me tellhim everything and my identical twins. Well,

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I think this is one of thefew cases that involves identical twins.
It's also one of the few casesthat involves a multiple abduction. Now,
when they hypnotized you, they youremembered, we remembered being on board this
ship with the surround us, allof us. So they decided to take
all of you and hypnotize all ofyou, right, and you all remember

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the same things. Now we havea tape. Who is a tape of
We have an audited tape? Isit you? Gypt? Isn't one of
the audio tapes of you? Youbeing at the time. We've never heard
the tape, So this is goingto be interesting. And this is the
tape of you unhipnosis describing to thebeginning part of going on the ship.
Okay, can we hear the tape? Well, doll, it was a

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tube. I'm kind of weird.Tube light I don't like that feeling.
It's like time stopped or something.I thought it was scary, the feeling

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I have to restart now. Canyou hear me? Whenever I played the
video, it remutes my mic blahblah blah something some something educational purposes,
yadda yahda. This is the hypnosisin this in this sense, in this

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case, or this way to useit allegedly has been largely rejected by the
psychological community, and so, uh, you know, you have to be
careful again when taking in from informationlike this because at one stage it was
once considered rather interesting, but thenthe flaws began to show and anyone can

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find them. Go to Google rightnow and type in not now, but
type in you know, debunking hypnosisor you know, not a regression and
whatever it's called for. It's notalways. I don't want to dismiss all
of it, because there is anecdotalinteresting facts about it, but it's been
like most things taken by people andjust kind of turned into something that is

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like an ultimate, you know,confirmation of what they have been believing all
along and taking in all along.And so if you sit there and study
alien stuff for years and years andyears and then go get you know,
aggressive therapy about something that happened toyou. Then you say, you know,
the person says, what happened toyou in nineteen seventy six when you're

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on a canoe trip. The storyyou tell has no basis in reality.
It's all just a hope it workstype of thing. And you're leading the
person to get them to talk aboutit. You're putting the put them in
the place, put them in thestate of mind, put them into the
exact moment where this thing took place, and now tell us what happened to

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you. Person for twelve years ofstudying aliens, looking for aliens, talking
to people about aliens, and andthey open up like a can of worms.
If that's an expression of cann ofworms. I've never bought a can
of worms. I don't know that'sthe thing. But they open up and
spill the beans. There we God, that's one on the whole thing.

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And it's exactly what all the otherhypnotherapist and whatever, you know, what
was happening at the time. Thisis a year at their encounter happened allegedly
one year after the Snowflake. TravisWalton and crew abductions. There. This
encounter they're talking about right now onthis Joan River show is just a few

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years after after Whitley Strieber's communion.Okay, now you have a bunch of
things all happening and then coming outafter a flap saying what they said under
hypnosis to back up what happened tothem during the time that everyone else was
also making it famous. I findthat really suspicious. I'll continue, huh

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proceeding time? The tube is thisis going up there? I can tell
it's pretty obvious to me that ifwe could look up that tubes, whoever
it was that at the other endcould look down, and I was I
was just terrified about what whatever itwas that was at the other end of

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that tube one and one, andwhat did it want with us? Oh?
That's heavy all to go through thisin hypnosis. Okay, what did
the tube? You all went upthe tube. This was found out by
each one of you independently, separately, but hypnotized until the kind of same
thing. That's right, all right, now, that was the start of

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the tube. You were taken upthe tube. What we did you all
find out happened during hypnosis? Well, the next thing I remembered after going
up the tube was I was awarethat I was lying on my back,
lying on your back, flat onmy back, and the first thing I
noticed were my fair feet. Andthen I noticed that I was naked,

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and I was wondering, you know, how did I get naked? And
where am I? And it wasin a brightly, very bright room without
any details. I couldn't see anything, really, and all I could move
were my eyes. I couldn't moveany any of my limbs tied down or
just no, I I didn't,I did. I wasn't tied down.

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I was just laying flat on myback, unable to move at times near
dreams, right, okay? Andwhen I was I started moving my eyes
around, and when I looked tomy left, I noticed that these three
guys were sitting on a bench ofsome kind. It wasn't like a normal
chair. It was just some kindof slab that came out of this haze,

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and they were all just sitting there, looking unconcerned, completely naked,
also naked, also naked. Doyou remember that I remember certain things more
clear even others, and I rememberthe inability to see very far. I
remember some figures I remember glimpses ofmy friends, and I remember in one

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instance, I was able to seeone of the twins the back of their
head, the back of their shoulders, and the upper part of their back
as it was turned. They wereturned to me, and there were figures
bending over one of the twins andinscribing a line around the shoulder and underneath
the shoulder blade and then inserting somesort of probe. So they were doing

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medical experiments. Let's go from aquick commercial and then can you remember the
medical experiments? Now? Oh yeah, I see a lot of head shaking.
Yes, okay, I would ratherforget them. Okay, all right,
didn't let's forget them, but afterthe shell for this week's week.
So let's you remember that one moretime this week and then you got to
Washington. You'll never again. Iwould be right back with more at a

(01:04:55):
moment. Those days, the youknow, nineteen sixty nine Berkshire Mountains UFO
case. You know, you haveobviously a legendary history of lights flying around
the woods and the mountains. Youknow, I know multiple people, I

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know them closely. That why theywould make this up to me, I
don't know, And I you knowI they just out of the blue them
and their friend tell me this,and you know something and I just are
too many things that happened, ButI'll give credit to Yes, there are
very strange lights there that are outthere. I don't want to take away
from that because I have experienced itmyself. But if the sediment, I'm

(01:05:43):
sorry, if the if the thingthat was happening at the time, all
the way from the Berkshire's case allthe way to today, you know,
we're you know, the the thethe slight sensation that that happened around roswell
Over. The initial claim of ofwhat happened there, of course Kenneth Arnold
and a few others that that madethe story is popular. It escalated,

(01:06:04):
right the whatever was happening real ornot. It escalated from seeing things at
a distance. You know, anastronomer is out trying to see venus or
something and he hears a jet comingand it's looks like a spade shaped craft
and it flies away at the speedof a you know, common jet fighter

(01:06:24):
at the time or something, anduh, you know, to to seeing
aliens walking outside a landed craft toaliens actually taking humans aboard and investigating the
species of human being. You know, we've it's it's not even the first
time it's been it's been said.Of course, it's been found in science

(01:06:45):
fiction one way or another way earlier, but it's you know, but happening
to people. It escalated. Ofcourse we see the escalation of it and
Nancy Tremaine, you know, thesestories and stuff like that. But you
have to keep in mind that thevast majority of cases that made it famous

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after the initial kind of early theearliest just close range kind of view of
fo sightings getting people a lot ofpeople seeing them, like Dexter, Michigan
and all stuff. You have yourself, you know, the only thing making
news was people that are getting abducted, probed, played with setback, lost

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time. Their stories come out throughhypnotic regressive therapy. There you know that
they oftentimes are part of a farmore metaphysical community by then because they've been
into the topic for so long,so only those stories were big, and
you basically see that like today,the people that are making it famous are

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people that are claimed, not claimaiming, you know, some unique thing.
They're claiming what everyone else is saying. And that's something that I that
I I I get really worried whenthat is, you know, the flavor.
I don't know, it's just it'slike it's like I find it almost

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hard to believe any of it whenI'm not saying the sighting part, because
again, I have had sightings inNew England all over the place, from
the Bridgewater Triangle all the way upthrough Maine in New Hampshire, and one
specifically in New Hampshires. I sharedat the beginning of the show that sounded
kind of similar to what they describedas and it almost looked like an eclipse
in the way it went away,but it didn't fly away. It literally

(01:08:41):
was just like went from right toleft and it looked like a little crescent
moon almost like where and it wasgone. And I just thought, okay,
that was literally But if I waslike some sort of super alien,
you know, like super into theI'm scared of invisible beings type of person,
And I went and got a hypnosisdone to me, and under hypnosis

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I said all these things that Ibelieve kind of in real life, but
I don't say out loud. Isthat confirmation of what actually took place to
or is that just me regurgitating allthe stuff in my head in some sort
of dream like lucid talking type state. I don't know. Sometimes I feel
like some people are rather convincing.I'm not saying through hypnosis, but just

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in their experiences alone, and I'mnot I don't know why hypnosis have have
to come into it. We knowa lot of cases through history have started
off being something like we saw athing, and then years later these people
are on lecture circuits and writing booksclaiming that under hypnosis, I found out
that I went to Jupiter and Iwas hanging out with Jesus and his best
friend Miguel. It's just like thishappens all the time with people I've had

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on the show, famous nuts andbolts, ufo cases, turned abduction cases,
turned consciousness, none of that.It never happened, even though I
wrote books about it and spent tento twenty years lecturing about it. It
was all I don't know. Butwe'll get back to it. This is

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an educational thing here. We're justplaying this to remind you that this has
been claimed. I have seen strangelights up north in these areas, but
I but I've never been obchecked byalien as far as I know. And
of course these men have have,so let's let's let's listen to their claim.
The only place left on the internetarchive is on a Joan Rivers show
thing so for educational purposes of playingand thank you too, four men about

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them mysterious alien abductions, medical experiments. Each one of you. They did
something too with probes, They tookthings and what do they do? You?
Let that must go right down theline. Let's olt with you,
chuckle. Do you remember what theydid to you? I remember they were
doing something to my penis with somesort of a device, getting hurt.

(01:10:55):
I know, I don't think it. I just felt wet down there like
they had taken seen, taken seeming. Did they talk to you whether this
is happening? No? No,it was like being in a dance.
I was just following through right,sort of like being on this show,
having the people guide us to thestage and we're just going along with things,
all right, what about you,jolly? I was like totally unwilling

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to want to be having things doneto me that you do me with that
feeling violated. I remember being extremelyuh upset and wanting to be other places
in my canoe where I belonged andnot where I was, and I had

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this face while I was trying todo something. This face came down from
lean down and looked right in myeyes, and it was just like went
back, like you can't get awayfar enough because you're already laying on your
back, like nowhere to go,and these huge black eyes just looked right

(01:12:04):
into mine. And I don't knowif you've ever been in an elevator that
suddenly drops a little bit and yourstomach goes well, I felt like my
mind, my thinking, conscious mindjust go right into these eyes and I
was told relax, don't move,You're not in any danger. Well,

(01:12:29):
I don't know. There was likeno words, no lips moved. It
was just like all of a sudden, my thoughts were filled with this message,
and it was like almost like asort of like a command and yet
almost sort of like matter of fact, very matter of fact, like a
physician says, this needle's not gonnahurt. You're gonna feel a little stabbed

(01:12:54):
or a little you know, whatdid they do to you? Well,
as Jack said, the first thingI remember under hypnosis was looking at my
feet and my toes and thinking whereare my shoes? Right? And they're
like, hey, you know,it's like my legs. And then I

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noticed like my chest and they're likethen I started getting very anxious about having
being disclosed. And then there wasthis like panel that had a similar color
to the top of the table,sort of a bluish glow to it above
my chest. I could only likesee the bottom part, which was very

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flat and eliminate, emanating this bluelight, sort of like a kneon blue.
Remember this happening to Charlie. Isaw this scene that he's talking about,
and the thing over his chest lookedsomething like the Sydney Opera House in
Australia. Oh yeah, it seemedto have a fluted design and it was
causing Charlie a lot of discomfort.So what game? It was the most

(01:14:01):
frightening part of the of the eventfor me. What about the two of
you? You actually have scared you'vefound? Can you show on camera?
And they obviously they took some youor your scars? Oh my, yeah,
big scar and you never had thatbefore? No, all right,
as they must have taken scrape infrom you. Well what happened was is

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this is the result of a lumpthat grew there that I want to highlight
a real quick that I haven't watchedthis all the way through yet, but
did you just catch what Joan Riversjust said. I have to look at
her guest log, but I don'tknow if she's had other guests on who
have made these claims, But hearwhat she just said? Did they take
scrapings from you? I mean,that's that's like, that's like, you

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know, that's getting fairly deep intothe UFO claims of the day of the
late eighties, early nineties, veryearly you know, late eighties, very
early nineties. We're talking straight upexactly what everyone else was being claimed.
A lot of them were claiming iton their shin or their leg remarkable a

(01:15:14):
remarkable them where people started stepping forwardand saying, hey, look at this,
I have weird sleep sleep paralysis likesymptoms. That wasn't what they were
calling it. Then I have thosealien abduction like things happen to me too,
and my shins have scraped in them. Either they're being disingenuous with the

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information they have about themselves or theydon't know, which most people apparently didn't.
I would give them the credit.Kind of the doubt is that most
of you right now have a scrapemark on your shin to some degree,
and you can probably remember a timewhere you banged it real good and left

(01:15:57):
a permanent thing on there were onyour legs. It's highly statistical, statistically
higher that you're going to have ascar around the places that you move the
most and interact, of course withlike in the most ground, the most
debris on the ground. But it'sit's, uh, you know, it's
the same thing, like what's hisname? And like take your keys out

(01:16:20):
of your pocket and see if there'sany bend keys. You did it kinetically
psychic kinetic, psychokonetically like or orit's because you know you've at one time
probably accidentally bent a key or hadit bend a little bit, or stepped
on your keys or something or whatyou know, I don't know what,
maybe bent it off in the thing. It's it gave people a little bit

(01:16:43):
of a reason to say, hey, it's nineteen eighty nine. Other people
are saying it too. I've gota weird scrape mark on me. It
must be from the aliens, maybeunlikely. That was removed and sent to
the and it was sent to theArmed Forces Institute of pathology, which was

(01:17:05):
not where they told me it wassent. See they told me it was
sent to the UH, the NationalHealth Institute in Georgia, but they sent
and late years later I found outthat they actually sent it to the AIR.
I rushed out and bought shark toothpedals when I was a child and

(01:17:27):
had them on my bike and washitting a gap, hitting a double and
took my one foot off, dida little one foot or hit the next
double, took my foot off andmissed the pedal and swung it all the
way around and UH with my otherfoot. The weight was on it,
and I pedaled forward and had toland and I instantly like went straight into

(01:17:49):
my bike pedal on the back ofthe landing and tore a five inch scar
like ripped my shin like right open, like a good good like three quarters
of an inch down. It wasthe gusting and I got a bunch of
stitches up it fix it up,but it was. It made my like

(01:18:10):
stiff for like three days of anearly But there's a scar right there,
and I knew that I had ascar there from my bike accident. My
pedal, my shark tooth metal bikepedals back in the day. They were
all the rage because you're supposed towear shin guards within plastic or better shin
guards. But you know what wouldhave happened if somehow I forgot that and

(01:18:33):
I lifted my leg right when theperson said this doctor that was in this
documentary talking about or in this showin the early nineties saying to people,
hey, you maybe you have ascoop muck. Someone on the build the
what's a scoop mark? It canlook just like a skun so a scar.

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Well, scoop MUCKs are unique becauselet us scoops. And there was
a school next to a scoop.Inside of a scoop. On top of
the scoop was a cat's head.On the other scoop was a sphinx's head.
Behind the scoop was a scoop.In front of the scoop was a
scoop. Under the scoop arcs.Let's move on. Sorry, there's my

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new character. My name is Ezekiel. It's like Ezekiel, but there's an
H in front of it. Andone time I had a sighting of us.
There was a cube. In frontof the cube was like another cube,

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a cube the size of an abbot. The other cube was the size
of a sphinx. The cube allright, I apologize. I'm really going
to lose people with that one.Her fourth Institute of Pathology for study and
what about you? You had?God? Well, no, and I
have on my legs are patches.One I was on the examination table.
I remember them taking these almost flat, roundish objects and they put them on

(01:20:09):
the bottom of my ankles. Soever since then, I have patches where
no hair will grow on both bothboth ways that hair grew that. Yeah,
okay, last week before we goto commercial that we'll be back in
a lot of You remember getting off. You can kind of see it a
little bit of it. I remembermedical ladder, and after watching Charlie and

(01:20:33):
Chuck being marched back and forth downashallway to wherever they were taking us to
do these procedures, they came andthey gathered us all four together, and
they're happy to see each other.You were just in the stated shop.
Well, No, I felt actuallyhappy. I was happy to see everyone
because at least I knew that wewere all alive then, and so that

(01:20:55):
made me happy. We were allstill alive. And so I remember being
marched down this hallway of some type. It was very difficult. There were
no details, and they there wassome our clothing, was there, Dorothy.
That happens a lot with shrapnel.People who have shrapnel in their bodies
tend to have tend to have acourse ahead of them about three or four

(01:21:23):
maybe sometimes you know, ten years. I've heard of people slowly getting bits
of metal just one day just pokingout of their skin. Finally, and
it's been working its way out forall these years. Literally, they don't
pull it all out of you.It's too deep, it's too fragment,
it's too all over the place.It would cause too much surgery, and
it just would be useless. You'dbe shredded. So they they come out

(01:21:48):
over there. It's disgusting. Butof course they know it shrapnel, so
they know what's happening. But forall the people out there that don't know,
like if you see, Dorothy's common, that's a common thing as well.
That has been also found in ufology, is people pulling stuff from their
body and then and then some doctorsaying this, could you know this could
only be there because of some magicalforce, or you walked into our meteor

(01:22:10):
or something you know something like that, But I don't know. I've heard
doing encounters of people like myself whowere spent time getting flung off of horses,
dirt bikes, bicycles, or justjust be generally just being generally clumsy.
I guess, you know, asa kid with scuff knees and hands
and just seeing the gravel you know, coming out of your you know,
it just for years and so it'sit's it's likely to happen. And you

(01:22:33):
know, I'm not saying that's what'shappening with them, but we do know
that's that's been recalled, you know, claimed in uf Oland for years in
a heat and we got our clothingand we were helping each other into our
clothing, and it was very itwas kind of like we were doing this
in our sleep or in a dazein a way. And then they marched

(01:22:55):
us into this room where there wasthis bright light of some kind coming out
of a wall. And then thenext thing we knew, we were back
on the beach. And you allremember the same thing. It all came
out on him knows this to eachone of you. No, I think
it was different. There remember somedifferences, like one of the things you
find with this kind of phenomenon ingeneral and including our case, is that

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you don't remember things in exact chronologicalorder. It's also note that the guy
on his left, on our right, his left was trying to answer,
and he interrupted him to speak forhim, to make sure that you knew

(01:23:40):
that there is like this thing,there's like this detail, just so you
know, just so you know,to these UFO cases, like just so
you know, everyone's gonna have adifferent story. Everyone's gonna be jacked up
under pressure, under investigation, butwe still want the money for having the
best story. You just remember snippets, okay, And so you know,

(01:24:02):
we all have these kind of littlesnippets that we remember. Everything else is
shut out, probably as far aswe can shut it, and so that's
how we remember everything. It's impossiblefor us to remember everything a perfect floor
being in O. Also, I'msorry that I keep interrupting it, but
I have to for YouTube purposes.Did anyone remember from the beginning of this

(01:24:24):
story? Do you find it alittle convenient and a little unbelievable that guy
just that guy just blazan like heblatantly. Still, this is why I
just anyone who acts this way,I get suspicious from now on. He
looked into the camera instead at thevery beginning that which day we're talking about,
are you guys on drugs? Wereyou guys on drugs? After they

(01:24:45):
said their counter and the encounter,and he said that thing about the ranger
checking, and you don't want areyou kidding me? Are you kidding me?
You mean to tell me that youthink we're so naive that there isn't
some sort of way you that anyonewould try to hide it to get in
there, Like there's nothing like that. You can't even be honest in that
sense. It's like, oh,are you kidding me? The park ranger

(01:25:06):
looks thoroughly through all our belongings,every single thing we own. The park
ranger spends all their time for everyonethat comes into the park. He says,
all right, take every single thingout of the car you own,
shake it out. Let's say whatyou got in there, every single thing.
And then he takes out as Xray scanner and looks through everything,
all our camping gear, the trailer, the canoes on the truck, whatever

(01:25:28):
the hell, oh I everything thatThe single park ranger that's there that knows
what's up Roger Polites, David's father. Uh, you know, I just
find that to be for four guysin a canoe. For God's sakes,
you know this that part about thatHell we oh the park ranger stuff.

(01:25:49):
No, no one drinks, andhey, no one has ever drank in
a main wildlife area because of therangers. The four rangers that cover like
the seven thousand square acres that werearound the area that he that he was
in the one range of that oneplace probably, and then the four rangers

(01:26:10):
for the rest of all of OxfordCounty and everything north. It's it's just
ridiculous, dude, are you freakingkidding me? Whenever anyone's gonna look at
a camera and say that there's noway that we were drinking or on drugs,
not saying that was part of it. I hate when people are like,

(01:26:32):
oh, well, you're drinking,because, like even Chuck Yeager said
it only drunk pilots c UFOs,and like, really do you see stuff
when you're drunk. I've never hasanyone else had drinks so much. I
mean, I literally I used tohave a drinking problem. I used to
wake up in places like I shouldn'tbe fucking just in uh, you know,
terrible, terrible. I used toplay live shows and music and I

(01:26:53):
would I would drink myself basically blinddrunk till I whiskey until I would make
up and like a parking garage rightoutside of the show we played, except
there's no car. I mean,I'm sleeping on the sidewalk with a bottle
of booze and my instrument or something. Crazy. I had a drinking problem
for a little while. I wasa crazy person for the short time because

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even then, has anyone ever seenanything you ever hallucinated on alcohol? Oh?
Yes, I was on that absencefrom fucking boss work from seventeen ninety.
I had a bottle. It wasa good one, all right.
Now that I shared that very privateand ridiculous story that I shouldn't have shared,

(01:27:36):
I've never bought into that. ButI do disagree that you know that
these people couldn't have had drugs onthem. They didn't have some sort of
job that tested for drugs. Theydidn't have I'm like losing everyone. Audience
retention literally just dropped out of outof the thing statement. Okay, thank

(01:27:58):
you. The point I'm trying tomake is I don't think people will hallucinate
on alcohol. I'm sure people misidentifythings on alcohol, but I don't think
you I've never heard of anyone hallucinatingan alien abduction or anything even remotely close
to anything like that on alcohol.I've heard people make the excuse of they

(01:28:21):
were on alcohol and that's why they, you know, drove their car off
the bridge. But you know,it's just it's not it's not necessary.
But it doesn't change the fact thathe bold faced at it to the camera
on a major network television show withcelebrity Joan Rivers, comedian Joan Rivers there

(01:28:41):
and he and you know, Ijust find I find that frustrating and annoying,
like annoying. I don't care howgoody whatever this guy is or whatever.
It's just so sorry if you canlie about that. Did the ranger
make you spread your cheek, sirsaid, did the rain just say?
Everyone spread your cheeks. It's timeto see what you got in there.

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I want to make sure that noneof you are taken pills or bringing that
Devil's let us in here again himopen. No, there's a park ranger.
Park ranger gets those picnic baskets beforethe bear does and then the bear
goes off with boo boo, andthey goes and takes the That's gonna have

(01:29:27):
hard reference for a lot of people. Never mind, watch out for those
picnic baskets, folks. Have Istopped this video for long enough that I
can play it again without getting acopyright strike. Let's get going, reckon,
We're going back to these people's claimsand them right after this is done,
I'm gonna read you this gentleman onthe left there, you know,
the guy with the suit jacket onthere. He recounts recounts his original claims

(01:29:51):
of what took place after the sighting, not the sighting itself necessarily, but
he definitely takes back the hypnotic regressionsstuff. He had a website there was
up before. It's down now,but I have a quote from it.
I'm going to use that in this. And you tell me what you think.
Well, let's listen to the restautomobile accent, and you being a
passenger, what you remember is ahubcap flying by you, where the driver

(01:30:12):
remembers, you know, gripping thewheel and looking at the you know,
I remember being in the back ofthe canoe the entire time of witnessing this
object come and go. And Iremember Jim was in front of me and
it's the lower part of his legleaving the canoe. Okay, and that's
that was at the shore of thelake. And I can't remember how we

(01:30:34):
got to the shore of the lakefrom the middle of where we were fishing.
Now, when we come back,we're going to meet a UFO researcher
who has conducted hundreds is it not, of hypnotic sessions on alien abductions.
And we fascinate the I us Joewith the other, so stay with us.

(01:31:05):
Floyanus now is one of the country'sleading authorities on UFO abductions. Through
the use of hypnosis, he hasunveiled some startling reasons four of these alien
kidnappies and not just done because thereare four guys in the canoe. And
his latest book, The Secret Light, which has just been published and paperback
like you were on when it wasa hardcover. So welcome back to our

(01:31:27):
show, doctor David Jacobs, andhow nice to have you on a gut.
I would like to note that pleasetake this be very critical and discerning
about the work that you take infrom individuals that claim that aliens are coming
through interdimensional portals in your mind tosteal your soul and then eventually invade planet

(01:31:54):
Earth or something. It's it's,it's, it's, it's been had.
All you believe this story? Yes, okay, I do too. And
how many people have you spoken tothat had abductions? Well, I talked
to many hundreds of people. I'vedone about four hundreds and knoety regressions with

(01:32:15):
about eighty people. All right,what do you think is the reason for
this? Why do they take thesemen and in some cases women, What
are they trying to do? Well? The key here, I think is
that they mentioned that sperm samples weretaken, and women mentioned routinity, that
eggs are taken. Women mentioned thatwhen they get the women on the table,
they take an aggrescent. There arechynecological procedures that happen almost every time.

(01:32:36):
And we do believe that the reproductiveaspect of this is probably the key
to the abduction phenomenon and to theUFO phenominal in general, which means that
trying to create, well, fortime go on, they're trying to make
humanoids and putting us somewhere else.Well, I know that this sounds absolutely
crazy, But what is reported virtuallyall the time is at people will be

(01:33:00):
taken into another area from time totime and they will be shown strange looking
babies or even toddlers or small children, and that look. They routinely report
that they don't look quite human,and they don't look quite alien, and
for reasons that we don't fully understand, they're required to hold or to have
some sort of physical contact with them, to hug them, to deal with

(01:33:20):
them in some way. And wethink that these are offspring in some way
form from the eggs in the sperm. They're taking Charlie sperm and put it
with an egg in one of theseladies somewhere up there in space and creating
a hybrid, well, something likethat. We're thinking that normal sperm and

(01:33:42):
eggs are put together, and thenthere's probably some sort of alteration that goes
on at that point that results inwhat people usually describe. How this is
accomlish, we're not really sure,and why this is accomplished, we're not
really sure, but it is verya very important part of the whole phenomenal
and very frightening, freamely frightening.Does that means that they're making. Let's
talk about what you think this means. Well, when we come back from

(01:34:04):
commercial. I'm not a fool that'llhook you in. When we come back
from commercial, we'll find out whatall this means. Just think though they
took Oprah, Dally, Jesse andme when they have a weirdo up in
that spacio where you're from, whereyou're from, we'll be back with more
than up with thanks children. It'scalled the Alagash abductions, which will be

(01:34:33):
at the story of the four ofyou. Right and again, your book
is Secret Life, right, doctorJacobs? Why why is the missing time?
What is this all about? Whatare the certain things that they all
have in common? When you findthis, well, people routinely have a
missing time sequence of an hour ormore and that just can't be accounted for.
It. They seem to be goneand nobody else has found them there

(01:34:55):
either which usually just doesn't happen innormal life, or the wake up in
the middle of night and there'll belittle people around their bed and they're scared
to death and they'll just go directlyto sleep for reasons better. Now,
what is the purpose of the objection? Are they making a race from having
to come in and take over ourplanet. No, we really don't know
that. My guess is is thatwere the case, that it probably would

(01:35:16):
have happened already. But this isjust pure speculation. We do know that
this is all please everyone. Yeah, it's the entire concept of their work
is like him and Dolores Cannon,which was the name I was looking for
the other day, by the way, is like this this We have something

(01:35:38):
they want and it's not looking good. Look out, folks. Also,
this weird hybrid baby looks like youOkay, moving on to be happening the
way people are describing it, Butthe ultimate reasons we just we just haven't
been able to find yet. Isit more having more and more, more
and more people are coming forward,and we're learning more and more how to
investigate it. We're not really surewhether the free quency has increased or not.

(01:36:00):
Well, I think it's absolutely passing. And to speaking of that,
what do you think about them?I think this is a very solid case.
This is a multiple abduction case.We actually do have quite a few
multiple abduction cases. These people areobviously sincere and honest, and there are
ways that we can tell that peopleare lying or not and this is not
right. Well, thank all ofyou so very much. Just okay,

(01:36:27):
there's that Joan Rivers thing. Thankyou very much YouTube for letting me use
it for educational purposes and spat awarenessabout both the claims that had they made
rather of being attacked by a strangelight in a park in Maine, and
also of the very faulty, notcompletely nonsense sense a subject of regressive therapy

(01:36:48):
or hypnosis, but the very faultymeasure to use that to essentially make a
case complete. You know, likefirst it was just they saw some light
in the sky and it allegedly movedat them. And then suddenly here comes
these investigators who they investigated the case, all right, they investigated and got

(01:37:10):
exactly what they wanted. They freakingliterally passed the UFO topic right onto these
people are the alien induction thing rightonto them, and they went not just
a one obviously they saw him aswell, but originally the first hypnosis they
went through was from a Moufon investigator, not the famous doctor here. And

(01:37:30):
so you know, you have youhave yourself too many variables in my opinion,
you know, of the show.I mean, I personally wouldn't put
any faith in it whatsoever beyond thesighting and the sky thing. But that's
just me. You can decide foryourself and know a lot of you out
there have allegedly had these claims yourself. You said, hey, how could

(01:37:51):
you know? How could you justdismiss it like that? I've had something
very similar happened. But did youhear how he described his bread injury,
this seizures that followed, and thesymptoms that he was going through after that
sounds almost exactly like what so manyhave claimed when it comes to you know,
these types of like interruptions in theseparts of the brain where you start

(01:38:14):
seeing or start feeling another sense ofself where like you can literally even see
someone standing next to you or rightabove you. Sleep paralysis, lucid dream
like things start happening where you feelyou think you're awake or you feel awake,
you can move your eyes even butthen when you're like, wait a
second, am I awake? Andyou try to move because you actually have
that thought, you can't move becausesomething's triggered part of this executive function,

(01:38:38):
where like your body's seemingly unconscious butyou're you know you're not fully and people
have. You know, they've describedit in many ways. I've said this
a million times in the show forall the people that want to just be
like, screw you, it actuallyhappened to me. You're saying it.
It's not really I will say that, wouldn't it be extremely similar? Like

(01:39:00):
if some I mean, I'm notthis is a way outside of the zone
of rational conversation right here. ButI'm gonna you know, straight up and
say this is speculation. But Iwould say, just like many other things
people claim as symptoms and we thatwe've identified, we've even added, you
know, thousands of pages of languageof the medical and scientific literature on the
topic. It doesn't change the factthat you could also have something that looks

(01:39:27):
just like something else. And that'shappened to humanity autumn repeat in every field
of science and every belief there is. I mean, there's this constant,
you know, ad hoc explanations forwhat things are and then suddenly they're like,
oh wait a second, No,they were different. We just had
the wrong tool. We were lookingat it the wrong microscope, we had
the wrong telescope focused on it,and it or we you know, we

(01:39:49):
trained multiple things to do it.That on it. Rather, there's this
this the sudden recognition that this onething that looked the same had the same
symptoms well suddenly a different thing altogether. And I wouldn't put it past that
to be possible. I mean,we already know that us humans, who

(01:40:10):
yes, we are extremely technical andadvance in many ways. But when we're
seeing like videos of ultrasonic sound wavesbeing used in a control way to lift
objects, and the objects are gettingbigger and bigger, the devices are getting
bigger and bigger, something tells methey're gonna figure in a way to make
that kind of come together. Likeall technology first, it's gonna get big,
and they're like, look what wecan lift, whether we can lift

(01:40:31):
a sender block, whether it's hugethough this huge arm to the point where
we're probably gonna figure out a wayto shrink that technology down, optimize and
refine it and be able to liftsomething right up wherever we want. We
know we can do it in chambersat all different types of things. We
can lift a frog right up.But to do what has been allegedly claimed
and alien abductions is not doesn't seemto be anywhere close to what humans are

(01:40:53):
capable of right now, at leastin the public eye. Could there be
some sort of psychological operation happening whereour government has a piece of technology like
this somehow, maybe maybe they madeit themselves, which I wouldn't doubt.
With enough money, you could definitelydo what we've seen post graduate programs do
for fun. You know, Dothey have some ability to abduct people and

(01:41:15):
to make it seem just like it'sbeen claimed? You know, there's no
there's no one lifting them out oftheir bed. They're being literally lifted out
of the bed by some freaking device. It seems almost impossible to me.
It seems almost impossible to me thatthis would be that seems harder to hide
than than than the idea that thegovernment knows aliens are out there and they're
not letting it out. I mean, I just it almost seems impossible,

(01:41:38):
but it's not totally. I getit. But you're asking too much.
Why don't just give them some drugs? Say you're floating and then there you
go. You got yourself a tonof a ton of reasoning that I mean,
reasons for the person to you know, fulfill it on their own,
feel the rest out on their own. Mad live the answer everyone all right,

(01:41:59):
and they at here. Panic attackswhen you think you're dying. I've
never had one, but honestly,I wouldn't doubt it if people have described
a sleep paralysis in a way whereit feels like literally their chest can't rise
and so they think they can't breathe, so they begin to absolutely panic in

(01:42:24):
a way. And I've also heardawful, awful story, awful stories.
You've ever heard cases or people wakeup there in anesthesia and the and they
don't their bodies not waking up,but their mind is and they're awake through
agonizing surgery. Yikes, sounds kindof like what they're describing there, except
the people don't see aliens. Theysee the doctors working on them. Anyways,

(01:42:51):
I apologize breaking away there. Wegotta get We're gonna take a quick
break from I guess do we havetime? It's almost at two hours now
all the rest of here, whywant before we take a break, I
give you this real quick, realquick from Chuck's sold website. Chuck Rack,
one of the individuals in that interviewyou saw on the Joan River Show,
one of the people that were regressedsuddenly had this story. You know

(01:43:14):
valiens probing them, taking their DNAin different different ways, seeing one another
on there. But there was somequestion by the skeptics that said, hey,
folks, were you allowed to benear each other when you made your
testimonies? Were you allowed? Didthe people hear what one another had said?

(01:43:36):
But it didn't really matter, thoughit did it because all of them
had been taken in so much UFOinformation by that time, so much induction
information. By the time things were, they weren't any bigger. Like Whitley
Steamer's book The Things Are Happening andplay in Hollywood and around the world,
and other UFO cases were all comingto light. It was a perfect time
either way. Here's Chuck rex claimfrom the website. Here's a quote I

(01:44:00):
pulled from this forum from the paracast. It's from twenty sixteen, and
I the only place I could findwere the quotes I know I made,
so I searched some of the thingsthat I remember in sure enough I found
this quote from it. So Iwant to read this by the time,
and I only have the quote,but I'll share it either way. If
I'm wrong, I'm wrong, butit's you know what I searched but by

(01:44:21):
the time the four of us,this is Chuck Rack's word, the balding
fella in the sorry I described inthat way, and after all, I'm
part of the Bald's community. Thisis a fancy Halloween week. By the
time the four of us went throughhypnosis, it took eight months because the
hypnotist was working pro bono. Solet me see that again. Because I

(01:44:43):
can't read, I read like afive year old. By the time the
four of us went through hypnosis,it took eight months because the hypnosis hypnotist
was working pro bono. All theboiler and plate stuff was well known to
us. Artists are very good atpattern recognition. As a result, Jack
and Jim, being identical twins withexcellent storytelling abilities, were of the greatest

(01:45:08):
interest to Ray Fowler, the guyI was referring to earlier, if not
the space Aliens, and therefore werehypnotized first. Even though Ray told the
twins not to share their testimony withCharlie and I, it was like expecting
a high school senior to keep quietabout who she was going to prom with.

(01:45:30):
I can only speak from my ownexperience about the hypnosis. I thought
the man who did the hypnosis.Tony Constantina, which was what's his name's
partner by the way, Sorry,this is my own words. Raised partner
there from moufon if I'm recalling herfrom the case, was a competent and

(01:45:50):
sincere man he had. He hada bad head cold at the time of
the interview. I knew the pointof the whole exercise was to substantiate the
groundwork put in placed by Ray Fowlerin the story from the Twins, which
was alien abduction. After all,it was in our best interest to sell

(01:46:13):
the story by means of Ray's book, TV appearances, interviews, and UFO
conventions and movie rights. As hewas putting me under a light trance,
I'm sure Tony couldn't help notice thedollar signs in my eyeballs. Tony was
sitting directly in front of me,almost as close as a dental hygienist.
Ray was on a bench a fewfeet away. Tony brought me to the

(01:46:35):
point in the story where the beamwas approaching the canoe. He asked me
what happened next? All I couldthink. All I could think of was
what actually happened, the panic inthe beam going away? But I felt

(01:46:57):
that but I felt that would havebeen unacceptable. Oh, I'm sorry.
Let me read this again again.I apologize it's hard for me. I'm
reading it as he wrote it.I sat there and tried to allow my
artist imagination to take over. Okay, here we go. I'm sorry.
He asked me what happened next?All I could think of was what actually

(01:47:18):
happened, the panic and the beamgoing away. But I felt that would
have been an unacceptable answer. Isat there and tried to allow my artist's
imagination to take over. I ponderedthe void of my memory. Who's on
the bench, Ray commanded with militarybearing from the from the side, not

(01:47:41):
the therapist? Why Ray and Tony, I thought to say, But the
answer would have Thus what came forthwas a series of vague snippets of being
levitated aboard a craft, witnessing anexamination performed on the prone figure of Charlie
Faults by the alien beings and anonymousor amorphous sorry source of light. Like

(01:48:02):
my friend Brad's house, he hasdraped different colored blankets below the fixtures in
preparation for the biweekly acupuncture clinic.This was not part of the visceral testimony
to which I have so far described. Instead, it was from a form
of mental imagery which I later usedto create the culful artwork displayed on the

(01:48:25):
Allegast portion of my website gallery.Many years have gone by since the incident.
I no longer am in contact withthe other men involved with the case.
I have not been asked to participatein any public form regarding the incident.
I suspect partly due to my skepticismof the hypnosis as a way of
retrieving such information. Also, Ihave a streak of honesty that certain vested

(01:48:51):
interests may be nervous about. Evenbeing skeptical of the full ramifications of the
Allegast story. I still believe thatwe are here on earth, We here
on Earth have been thoroughly saturated byseeing semi scene and unseen entities of an
an extraterrestrial or metaphysical nature, andthat we are as equipped to understand their

(01:49:16):
intent as my dog is at interpretingLincoln's getty Burgers or getty Burg's address Lincoln's
Gettyburg address. The only clue Ihave of their advanced thinking or intent is
that once we showed them panic,they left us alone, literally stating at
the end, right there that oncewe showed panic, they left us alone

(01:49:36):
in the canoe. And I'll leavethis quote from Charlie's website. I'm sorry,
Chuck's website. I guess Charlie Chuck, same name. We saw Chuck
out in the jungle. Basically,what we have here is one of the
people, like almost all of thesemajor cases, not all of them,
but a lot of them, steppingforth and saying no, no, no,

(01:49:57):
no no. Okay, yes,the three others are saying this,
but here are the reasons why they'resaying it. I said it too for
profit, and I'm saying right nowthat I think I was kind of pressured
into it because someone who puts somuch groundwork in like the investigator, and
the investigator who's who's only sitting onthe sideline of the hypnosis shouts a command

(01:50:19):
to him under hypnosis, well youknow who's lying on the bed, you
know, like like like literally likeyou, that's the one thing you're not
really supposed to do, but youkind of have to do when you when
hip hypnosis is done, is youdon't want to implant an idea in someone's
head. You want to ask themabout a time in their life and let

(01:50:41):
them take it from there without givingthem any ideas. Allegedly that's how it
works, you know, but Iand many others have had experiences that's clearly
not the case. And these folksare here. But I'm not letting this
guy off the look, Hey,Chuck, did continue with this lie?

(01:51:05):
You know what I'm saying? Thisguy can you went on the Jon Rivers
Show. When he tried to speak, I pointed out during the interview,
did I not? When he triedto speak the other guy the twin shot
up and spoke for him about thehypnotic regression, and then someone else on
the other side of him spoke forhim again, talking about I saw him

(01:51:29):
there and he was in much discomfort. It looked like a crescented you know
whatever he said. You know thatthat that is suspicious to me, and
it shouldn't make you, you know, put up a red flag or a
bell or whatever I wanted to say, you want to ring, because it's
like this is a person that laterconfessed to not really buying any of that
stuff and being influenced and only seeingthe light fly away. The fire's out.

(01:51:56):
There's a time discrepancy. Allegedly,there's all so a theme to UFO
cases of the time, with evenpeople I've had on the show, like
Terry Lovelace who have claimed that thisputs you like in a foggy, like,
you know, unexplainable state in whichyou can't recover from right away.
Maybe takes a little jol didn't getout of there, possibly by a professional
we've had, you know, Ihad Calvin Parker on the show who recently

(01:52:19):
passed away Rest in peace. CalvinParker who claims that the majority of his
experiences after that day came almost onehundred percent from regressive or or or you
know, he I can't really tellthe way he worded it, but he
did have other experiences that followed thatevent, and he says that you know,

(01:52:39):
he got you know, he spokeabout them. Of course, he
even spoke about the original event withwhat's his name there, I was just
talking to him with with Steve Long, talking about him with Steve Long.
I guess we had on the showof the day, what was his name?
They're the artist Bud Hopkins, didn'the didn't He meet with Bud Hopkins

(01:52:59):
back in the day and get aggressedin a hotel room after at a UFO
event I can't recall either way.It's I think this case falls into these
people saw a weird light in thesky and they saw the dollar signs when

(01:53:23):
they recognize that if what's credible iswhat you say under hypnosis, and all
you gotta do is say something ona hypnosis that that that you know tells
an entertaining story, will sure ashell that's all you need, because hypnosis
is, after all, this medicallyproven, scientifically neurologically stamped. Okay,
it works, let's do it.There's no flaws. Now, that's a

(01:53:43):
load of nonsense, and this flawsand everything I suppose, but that that
there is not everything, but inmedical practice, I would have a real
hard time believing that today someone wouldever use that and say to themselves everything
that comes out of this person's mouthone hundredersent fact, and I know it
to be true. There's no dangerhere of hearing something that's false. I

(01:54:06):
know people that do that, andI've spoken to them, and they've one
hundred and told me that the honestones that take the story say, you
know, listen, this is whatyou said. I mean, but there's
no way of like, you know, truly knowing if this has actually went
down. There's no way of actuallyknowing that you're actually a young Chinese boy
one hundred and eighty years ago andbeing forced to fight in some conflict and

(01:54:29):
die in the war, and nowyou're this person. There's no way of
actually showing that's true. Yet there'spast life. Regressive regression is like a
common business, you know, butit's we're not talking about that. We're
talking about using it to get factsabout an alien abduction. I think that
you're crossing into some very dangerous boundterritories there, and no one really wanted
to admit it at the time.But yet these people made a buck or

(01:54:51):
two off it, you know,the Waltons made a buck or two.
I'm not talking. I don't wantto talk. People have passed away,
but I'm saying that they're you know, you can you end up seeing that,
regardless of it happened or not.A good portion of their books,
a good portion of their lectures,our information that is derived from hypnotic regressive

(01:55:15):
therapy, regret regressing someone to pullout the truth because the person has had
a magical technology or substance or somethinggiven to them to make them forget they've
drink as magical potion that the geniegives you, and now you can't remember
the fact that you actually had threewishes. And you know, I don't
know, I'm not trying to bea jerk here, but that's like literally

(01:55:36):
what it kind of you know,it sounds like it's something we really have
to take an account for. Now. I'm not saying that there is nothing
anecdotally interesting from hypnosis. A lotof people that I know that do that
regressing thing that I that I interviewedin the past, specifically to understand where

(01:55:59):
they from when they say this stuff. What are they trying to mean?
Like, what is their evidence?Where? What is their background, their
credentials. And I'm thinking, well, what I'm noticing about all these people
is anecdotal ways to get a personto basically like audibly speak through their lucid
dream. So much though that Italked to people that claimed they could go

(01:56:21):
to other worlds and stuff. That'show clear it was for me, and
they could do whatever they wanted.It was so visually real, so visual
and real that they you know,could you know it was. Preston Dennett
was on it spoke about that andwho were doing without a regressive therapy,
but that same thing takes place,and it's just it's anecdotal, interesting little

(01:56:43):
details. But other than that,I put no weight in anyone saying that,
Oh, the reason why I can'tremember my abduction is because I didn't
get regressed yet. Now let's getregressed and then all of a sudden,
I have this. I have,Like you know, seventy five percent of
the pages in my book are dedicatedto them information that comes after the regression.
I'm like, come on, dude, can we just stick to what

(01:57:04):
was interesting? You saw an effinglight. That's that whole one uppy thing
that it's super bad, in myopinion, in the UFO field more than
anything, like you don't you don'treally hear people go beyond a point sometimes
in certain other paranormal communities, butin the UFO field, if one person
says they saw a light and itchased them in a canoe. The next

(01:57:27):
day, someone someone, someone somewhere, if they heard that story, it's
thinking, no, hell nah,dog, I talked to the light.
I hung out with the light.The light. The LIGHTO is me twenty
bucks? All right? Facon,you heard rate Chuck's side of it that

(01:58:02):
it was not as legitimate as theyclaimed. I personally was I affected by
this case watching the Unsolved Mysteries thing. I wasn't armed up, you know,
as a child with with some youknow, magical capability that that someone
was bestowed upon me. I didn'thave a parent that did it, that
showed me that, or that toldme that things that were watching on this

(01:58:26):
may not be exactly as they wentdown and there are flaws like maybe they
didn't even know then. But Ihad parents like next to me, and
so like watching Unsolved mysters being like, WHOA, I don't believe in this
crap, but that was pretty Thatwas pretty scary. Or imagine watching X
Files, you know, and havinghaving this impression that you are somehow related

(01:58:46):
to what this is all based stuffof, not like literally me thinking I'm
in the middle of some sort ofthing that writing I'm saying that I had
a UFO siting my mother and ina bunch of other weird stuff happened.
But the the UFOs adding specifically,you know, is something I can recall
or look back on and think,you know, that's what some of this

(01:59:09):
stuff is kind of based on.But I you know, I wouldn't dare
try to one up the entire gameby saying I got regressed, and I
found out that I actually got broughtinto that damn triangle as a kid.
And you know, I don't knowyou fill in the blank there. It's

(01:59:29):
just it's just this constant whatever.And of course it went all the way
to the point where no one evenwants to hear it. You have like
secret space forces and people going toother planets and fighting goblins. And then
one of them comes out and said, it was all just kind of a
book that I wrote, and notgoblin pigeons or whatever. You have,
people, this is it literally wentup to the point where now basically anything

(01:59:50):
goes. I was watching an interviewon Cambian's show that he was playing of
someone from one of these secret spacethings. Not just abductees, but these
are people that really the government figuredout how to do the abduction thing themselves.
Now they take you, abduct youand send you to the planets to
fight for them against alien races,all types of weird. I don't know
what they'll but can being played aclip from the Guy, a show from

(02:00:13):
a guy, and I recognize justhow crazy these people were as when they
they don't even know each other's storybecause they're all just making up their own
thing. They were like, doyou know about the Caronaans on level seventeen
And the guy's like, no,no, I only know about the Venocchians
on level forty five in the blocksector and they're like, oh no,
this is the Neon sector level thirteen, you know Volcan. It's like they're

(02:00:39):
just making They're just making it allup, like literally just making up ship
all the time, just making itup, making it up as they go
their dreams, saying it's all real. That's how far it's gone. It
was people see weird stuff in thisguy. Now there are literally people thinking
that they can control the power toabduct their own consciousness and send it to
other planets to fight militaries of otherare galactic federations. It's it's insane in

(02:01:06):
my opinion, and a lot ofit is actual. And I'm not trying
to be insulting to anyone because Iliterally have no ill will or despise or
I really honestly got I don't hateanyone out there, but a lot of
it is absolutely insane and it's basedoff of people, I honest to God
believe people's stories like we just watchedand their encounters and how one of them

(02:01:29):
even admitted they were all going chasingthe movie rights and the stories, the
books and all this other stuff unsolvedmystery is the popularity. They're on multiple
TV shows and it has an effecton those that are not stable, and
you got it's all built on topof it, so like it just keeps
going and going. Who can bethe most outrageous thing to the point where
no one believes a deffing thing anymorebecause all this is real. This is

(02:01:53):
real. They're not even telling usthe truth, and it's just it's,
in my opinion, based off ofadvantageous people taking advantage of those that don't
have the ability to know the truthor not. Could it be happening,
Has it ever happened? Possibly?But what do you know, Like so

(02:02:15):
many things that are held up today, is the best evidence or the best
examples of abductions of close encounters ofthe queek kind? You literally have it
all resting on a handful of peopledoing self confirming hypnosis, if you will,

(02:02:39):
on both a motivated person being hypnotizedto get confirmation about their experiences that
the plagued themselves about in the inthe person doing the investigations hypnosis, who
obviously would love to be the onethat cracks the case. Ladies and gentlemen,
boys and girls, cats and kittens. I gotta get out of here.
This is Jeff White Bear Kings maythank you for listening to for another
to another episode of Strange Recount.Everyone on the YouTube chat from Bob Marley,

(02:03:01):
Suspicious Guys, Falls Fault, Garyany Ann, Amy Collins, Bob,
who else we missed? Welcome tothe show. Like the chat's kind
of messed up. I only seea few names. Chinese Balloon lover Ja,
what's up if I didn't say yourname this morning? I didn't see

(02:03:25):
earlier. I appreciate you being here. Thank you so much. Paranormal chop
Shop. Did I see that name? Here? There we go, Pony
Pong, good morning, Good morning. I'm putting a list together, the
high Lonesome Lord, Ludicrous, Roband everyone else who's ever given me their
address for a patch, please ifyou put it on there, doing a
massive favor. I look different becauseI've set up I have a green screen

(02:03:46):
behind me, and it automatically turnson facial touch up. I just got
out of makeup. Y'all look atthat. Mmmmm, all right, I
gotta get out of ricon. Whatdo you think about the alien the Ali
Gash case. I think they sawa light in the sky. I think
they got scared about it. Ithink that light actually moved on them,

(02:04:08):
because I've seen these lights. I'mnot I'm not freaking to imagine it.
There there's definite plasma looking like thingsthat fly around in the New England Marshy
Rocky areas. I mean, I'veseen it, others have it. It
goes all the way back. There'sliterally descriptions in Maine Woods with Henry David
Threau. Thanks to the individuals sentme that. Of course I read that

(02:04:29):
on the show, and like youknow, there's just interesting stuff flying around.
I don't believe that they were broughtonto a thing and they're seamen taken
and stuff. I mean, itjust seems completely ridiculous that there isn't other
methods and maybe there maybe just maybesome race figured out how to make their

(02:04:50):
vehicles get to places so far awaybefore any other field in their life,
any other thing that they're doing.The technology didn't for some and it's just
stop progressing. Well, mate,wait a second, have I figured it
out? Aliens leave their planet goinga monet really fast speed, let's just
say the speed of light. Theyleave with the known medical technologies of their

(02:05:14):
day. By the time they getthe planet Earth, it's basically like a
bunch of cavemen show up with afreaking fast, as fast as light vehicle
coming with the medical technologies of likea witch doctor or something. All Right,
anyways, ladies and gentlemen, I'man idiot. I gotta get out

(02:05:35):
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desperate to get more subscribers. Onthe show. We were demonetized on every
video release except for yesterday. Thisone obviously is going to be demonetized again.
I suck, but I'm trying toget routinely better at doing it for
you. I'm trying to get better. I've got a green screen going here,
You've got a better microphone when youget a better camera. About a

(02:05:56):
ring light too small obviously, andhit him trying to fill that gap.
But I just you know, I'vebeen moving around so much. Obviously,
I lost the house and I youknow, my boat is sitting there destroyed
still and I need to get backto that. If you would like to
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sharing the show, and of courseyou can always join we need. I
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(02:06:20):
on watch, so there's always goingto be an exchange. But I need
to get the boat from northern Michiganall the way to Boston, Massachusetts.
So if you would like to helpme do that, that would be a
funny little adventure going through the ErieCanal. So we'd be going through the
Catskills, literally going through the Catskillson a sailboat. But yeah, go

(02:06:42):
around New York. Stop New Yorkfor the night, hang out, go
to Martha's Vineyard. You know thedeal. If you're interested and you'd like
to put in a little work,there's gonna be some work involved, like
painting and standing. Because the boatgot severely messed up. Every crack became
bigger, every little thing became worse, and all the electronics essentially we're perfect
reason I'm all out though our repeltelectronics. Replace it with an iPad and

(02:07:03):
a few other things. We'll getthe ass up and going again, and
we'll know where every ship in boatis around us. We'll have radar and
everything working, and even sonar,and we'll be able to see if a
pesky USO or a UFO comes by. Although my radar has never been good
enough to really see something flying likethat individual object in the fast way.

(02:07:25):
That scan is pretty weak. Allright, ladies and gentlemen, boys and
girls, cats and kittens and pooshers. A bound pup is doing me a
massive favor. Look for things howthey actually are versus how they appear to
be. Hold on, and ofcourse keep it weird and keep your third
ip ever reckon. Sorry for allthe clicking and clacking. I have to

(02:07:50):
bring this thing open, but thething would not, So let's get it
going there now. No no nono no no no no no no no
no now now don't know now,now don't know now? Now you make

(02:08:41):
do you make that reb do youmake them benderbender? Her? Her?
Her mother? Se In an effortto raise money for his enormous legal bills,

(02:10:46):
O. J. Simpson this weekbegan marketing a video which attempts to
prove his innocence. Should the tapenot sell, Simpson has a backup idea,
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