The Controversial Downing of Flight 655

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Episode Transcript

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Ladies and gents, boys and girls. On today's episode of Strange Recon,
we're going to be discussing Operation PrayingMantis and the unfortunate doubting of Iran Air
Flight six five five. Do mea massive favorite that lake and subscribe,
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show. Thank you very much.Let's get it going. What's up?

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Ricon Good Morning? Doesn't look likethere's anyone here in the YouTube chat so
far, so I think I'm goingto give us a few moments before we
get this operation underway for all thosewho are here. And if the YouTube
side has just messed up with anumber showing good morning, good evening,
good afternoon, whatever the heck.In the words of our old friend there,

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Grand Cameron, I hope you're wellwherever you are, wherever you are
in on next to this beaver shapedplanet that we live on. That's right,
the news is in. NASA hasreleased new photos from the James Webb
Telescope and it is confirmed. Ithas been confirmed, in fact, the
planet is shaped like a beaver.Everyone on the YouTube chat, I really

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hope you're well. Thank you verymuch for being here. What day is
it? It's Thursday. This showhas a very dark theme today. I'm
sorry it does. It absolutely does, and I don't mean to bring you
all down on this Thursday, butit is strange aviation. Let me cover,
of course on Thursdays once in awhile, strange stories from aviation mysteries,
how things went down, what weknow, and of course the importance

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of remembering history. Before I beginwith today's episode, I would like to
stress that I'm not trying to youknow, win invisible Internet points or even
money off the death of children andinnocent civilians, you know, after this
incident. But I will say thatthis incident, like many others, does

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remind me of the important need toremember history, to repeat history, to
share what you know in order tonot repeat it. And you know,
there are many great quotes about history, but I personally like Maya Angelous,
and that is history, despite itswretching pain, cannot be unlived, but
if faced with courage, need notbe lived again. And so I try

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my butt off to remember, tolearn, to grow, to share,
and to inspire curiosity. And Iwanted to say this the act of flying
has always been accompanied by a certainlevel of risk, be it due to
technical failures, at verse weather,or human error. Yet for most travelers,
the idea of their aircraft being intentionallytargeted and shot down is an unthinkable

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tragedy, far removed from the conventionalconcerns associated with air travel. While the
aviation industry goes to great lens toensure the safety and security of its passengers,
history has shown that geopolitics, wars, misunderstandings, and more can lead

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to devastating incidents. Regardless, millionsboard flights daily with the inherent trust that
they will safely reach their destination,never anticipating that remote possibility of becoming collateral
damage in a larger global dispute.This underscores not only the faith we place

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in international protocols in aviation safety,but also profound shock and sorrow when that's
all broken. Your trust is destroyed, like this incident we're going to talk
about with the Iran Air six fivefive flight. So again, I'm not
trying to profit off of some tragedythat I am trying to release inspec curiosity

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and awareness that these things happen andgive you the history of it. And
also there are other things that canbe taken from this that can be applied
directly to the UFO topic. Oneof those things is airborne or ground to
air, surface to air missile targetingsystems and situational awareness. The like AEGEUS

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system or something are not perfect.They're tarted in the UFO community as being
some streamlined perfect system from the daythey were born to today. They are
just the best of the best andget everything right. You know, that's
never been true with any system,even the best of the day, the

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bleeding edge technology that's far greater,even if it's twenty percent better than the
last one, which is considered aleap of technology or something. They're never
perfect. And you know, thoughthe ship involved in the incident in this
were new to the system, itjust goes to show that what people thought
would have been pretty much an endto that era of misidentification and things like

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that and shootdowns never really went away, even with new systems. So let's
give you a quick summary of what'sto come here, But first let's pop
this up. I hope you're welleveryone in the chat. By the way,
Annie and Dorothy Awkins, Lord LudacrisBob Marley, thank you for being
whoever's here in the YouTube chat inthe audio side, thank you so much.

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Sorry for the glasses. I havethis big light on in front of
my face and listen. I don'tknow if you see this book to my
eyes. I can't walk outside ona bright summer day without them. My
eyes like just crying. I'm justcrying all something so beautiful. No,
it's just my eyes are burning andthey're like running all the time. I
have like the most sensitive eyes ever. That's what they call me, old

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sensitive eye. No, they didn'tcall me that, but I can't really.
It's it's so you thought that themonitors are bad. Oh boy,
this one's pretty good off put inthe light there anyways. Okay, and
and that's interesting of you. Sogood morning everyone, Thank you for being

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I appreciate it. Let's get thisthing going here. Uh, let me
pop this up in front of you. See all can see what I'm looking
at. We're talking about bunting ofIran air flight six five five. But
first, before you understand the factorsor before you you know, get to
the flight six five five, youhave to understand some factors that let up
there and it's important to understand thatif you're going to uh, you know,

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engage in this, in this topicand the little nuanced factors that you
can get out of it once uh, once you figure out you know,
these these systems that people say arecompletely without flaw, it's untrue and they
and they the flaw never goes awaywhen you're working on something that isn't the
line of sight exactly. Even lineof site of course was flawed, but
when obviously you close and you canidentify things either way. We'll get into

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it. Here we go, let'sbring this up here. Can you see
that? Hope you can't see that. I can't see YouTube updating for some
reason. At two am on twentythree, nineteen eighty seven, Operation Ernest
Will began involved in the US's Cromwellin the US is Fox, the USS

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Ward and the USS Kid in theUSS Clarking Clark Ring. Sorry, we're
the first of the US Navy shipsassigned escort the Quadi oil tankers. You
can learn about that with the showdouts. If you'd like to leave something down
there, like a wikiph for youor something so you can at least get
some background on it and some sources. Three subsequent operations were executed following Ernest's

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Will, Operation Prime Chance, OperationNimble Larcher, and finally the one recovering
today, Operation Praying Mantis. Thisis a little battle patch for the world's
finest battle frigger. There's some factorsabout it for him. There's a summary

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rather in retaliation for the Iranian navalmining international waters in the Persian Gulf and
the subsequent damage of the US SamuelB. Roberts. Again look at the
show notes allly for you. TheUS Armed Forces initiated Operation Praying Mantis on
eighteen April nineteen eighty eight. Theoperation saw American forces attacking within Iranian waters.

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The US S Samuel B. Robertshad struck a mine in the Persian
Gulf, causing significant damage and flooding. The crew managed to save the ship
and it was towed to to buyIn response to the mining, the US
military planned retaliatory measures against Iranian targetsin the Persian Gulf after discovering the mines
and numbers matched those minds previously seizedby US Navy vessels. The operation by

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the US is believed to have beeninfluenced to have influence to a degree a
ceasefire with Iraq, and that summerthe Iraq Iran ceasefire, ending their eight
year war. However, International Courtof Justice later ruled that the US action
were not justified, and we're goingto talk about those actions justified as necessary

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measures to protect the US security interests. Furthermore, the Court dismissed Iran's claim
that this action was a breach ofthe nineteen fifty five Treaty of Amity between
the US and Iran. Here's abattlement of the operations and the conflicts that
took place during Praying Mantas. Theoperation involved a series of engagements with Iranian

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forces, resulting in the destruction ofIranian naval intelligence facilities oops right here and
on two oil platforms, the sinkingof at least three Iranian speedboats which we're
gonna get into, and the damagingof several Iranian naval vessels. The operation
also saw the Navy's first exchange ofan anti ship missile and with an opposing

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navy since World War Two. Hadto go for Iran. The operation was
the largest US naval surface engagement sincethe Second World War and demonstrated the US
capabilities of in willingness to project forcein response to perceived threats in international waters

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at the time. Now, ofcourse there's context to all that, because
you can go back in history inthe Greeks versus Persians and anything all the
way back, and someone's got thebiggest naval battle according to some standard and
somewhere, but according at the timethis since World War Two, that was
one of the biggest. That wasthe biggest rather pretty impressive stuff that was

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going on out there to protect thosetankers. But let's get into the vessel
involved with a shootdown of the actualaircraft, the USS Vincennes. WHOA Steve,

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I completely forgot that someone had saidthat to me not too long ago.
Sorry, I'm gonna pastor second therein the YouTube chat, Steve Long
states that com and Steve Long sinceKevin Day was allegedly involved in six five
five, but he says it wasthe quote tictack I gave him or you
know, it's not quoting it,sorry, but uh tiktak they gave him
PTSD and ruined his life. Yeah, Steve, that's that's interesting because I

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remember him saying that. I mean, I brought that up on the show
many times. And I've I've hada kind of an issue with that,
and I know people they are stillclose with Kevin and that's fine. Nothing.
I don't have a problem with that, but I do think it's an
interesting take on why he has issuesif he has them. And we all
heard him say that those flips onthe screen gave him troubles for life,
and maybe that's what caused all theseissues out Okay, the Yeah, they're

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a series of things that also thatare related to this, this type of
incident that have gone on, includingyou know, related to what's going on
today, conspiracy with Malaysian Airline thatpeople are saying that it was shot down.
There's even a Netflix occupier I don'tknow what I want. I want
to say documentary, but it's not. And uh, and of course there
are many other claims about what wasgoing on, including the Malaysian airline that

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was shot down by the Russians duringthe same time. Kind of I was
horrible. It was like, whatthe heck can Malaysian Airlines is just yet
it this year? Anyways, movingon here, sorry, folks, let's
get going here. The USS Vincenneslike this big beauty CG forty nine Taykan

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Daroga if that's how you say thename of that class ship, and I
apologize because I don't know. Ican only just imagine it's Taekwon Daroga.
The type of this ship a classis the Taykonderoga class guided missile cruiser,
commissioned in nineteen eighty five Specialty.It was the first ageis cruiser of the
Taykonderoga class in the Pacific Fleet.Its length is five hundred and sixty seven

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feet or one hundred and seventy threemeters for you to live in the wrong
places of the world. Beam wasfifty five feet or sixteen point eight meters
for people to live in the wrongplace. Alright, sorry, but I'm
just kidding. It's not my fault. You live in the Shire. You
have to cross over with the elves. Where are the els Except we're not
living longer. We're living less timethan a draft thirty four feet. That's

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a deep water boat. I meanthat's a deep boat right there, thirty
four feet. You can't really gettoo close to shore when you're draft.
That's how much it sticks out underthe water. Is thirty four feet long.
It's got four general electric LM twentyfive hundred gas turbine engines and two
controllable reversible pitch propellers and two rudders, and it can travel at thirty two

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knots, which is extremely quick forboth that size. Could you imagine that
hitting something? Holy snikies. Buton board carried thirty officers and some odd
three hundred enlisted individuals. And here'ssome considerable milestones of the of the boat
up to that point. Commissioned tonineteen eighty five, this incident takes place

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not there long after, but theUSS Vincennes participated in testing of the SM
two block to surface their missile.Post commissioning took part in the rim Pack
eighty six multi national military exercise,which is the largest international military exercise.
First specific, I have no coffeearound me. I don't know where I

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put it down, and my mouthis dry. This is terrible. First
specific deployment. In August Ninetheen eightysix, collaborating with both USS Carl Vincent
and USS New Jersey Battle Groups joinedoperations with the Japanese Maritimes Self Defense Force
in Royal Australian Navy covered over fortysix thousand nautical miles from the varying sea

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to the Indian Ocean during its deploymentand in nineteen eighty eight joined task Force
joined a task Force and the PersianGulf supporting Operation Ernest Will, which again
protecting the oil tankers during the IraqIran War that was going on for eight
years. Awards, it was anavy Oh no, I'm sorry, oop,

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I'm reading the wrong boat. Iapologize, I mean back, guy,
I want to anyways, let mego with that on more time.
The Taekwon Daruga Taikon Daruga class guidedmissile cruiser commissioned eighty five and it saw
its first bit of action, realaction in the it's deployment in the carrier

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group that was involved with one ofthe two carrier groups involved with Operation Ernest
Will in as I said earlier,which began a two am Eastern Standard time
on twenty three July nineteen eighty seven. So this boat was a big boat.

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I've spent some time on the water, as you know, and my
boat would just be like right herearound the little end arts. And this
thing's carrying a serious amount of weaponry. And as you know, we'd like
to go over weapons sometimes here,but we're not going to We're going to
stick to mostly what we're talking abouthere, as people tend to want that

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I'm finding out. But next wehave to go on to the boat that
plagued the Vincennes when it was deployedduring Praying Mantis. We're talking about Boghamer.
Now, Boghmer is an actual manufacturerof boats in Sweden, but oftentimes

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when referred when you're referred to abog Cammer in military context, they're talking
about a speedboat traditionally that looks likethis or something cheaper. Usually usually it's
way cheaper. Usually it's a pieceof hoop. But this is a you
know, a type of you know, fiberglass boat sometimes aluminum that is used

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to get around quickly, intercept drugrunners, coastal stuff. Boats on the
water might be sneaking drugs around orwhatever, like pleasure craft and of course
to engage large navy ships like theVincennes. The the Terra Terra glass glass
speedboat overview, it goes something likethis. The bog camer marin ab original

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builders and designs of the speedboat,which is in Sweden, was a favorite
to a lot of these nations thatcouldn't afford a Merin boats still around today,
but they make more of a pleasurecraft. They do produce a speed
boat. I think they think they'reon back order to like two years from
now, so they're obviously doing quitewell, probably still serving some militaries.
But they supplied the Islamic Republic ofIran quite a bit, and the Revolutionary

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Guard loved them, which is nohere we go, mas, sure these
guys, they love the boat somuch they adopted it basically one of the
most broadly adopted boats rather in theirnavy. But Completion eighty five was the
first batch of boats that came outseven tons displacement. It's lent is thirteen

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meters long, two point seven meterswide beam, and its draft is only
point seven meters two feet four inches. Now you think the draft of the
other boat, which just thirty twofeets. The heavy boat sits in the
water, displaces a lot of water, very deep. Boat can't get close
to the shore. Moves at thirtyknots, which is considerable speed, but
you know it's not a ton ofspeed, but still can't. This thing

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only displaces less than three feet ofwater, which means you can take it
right up to the beach and youknow, and how you pitch your engine,
you can get it right out ofthere if you need to. But
these things are very agile, veryquick, and they're hard to target,
especially you know, and you know, if you've seen the videos, just
how hard it is to shoot droneboats in in the Baltic Sea. There

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is I don't remember, I'm sorry, I darna blank, but it's it's
pretty hard. So you imagine thesethings flying on all over the place,
and you you only have a certainnumber of weapons that can only target one
thing at a time, so youknow, you have some issues there.
And of course they were quite effectiveto certain degree until you know, we
you know, just overran them withvessels, but in weapons. But give

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me one second recon I apologize aboutthis, you know me. You know
this is a smooth running operation.I've never had to do anything weird.
Just shut the camera off at end, NY time. But I need to
grab my coffee cup or I'm gonnajust quit this morning. So do me
a massive favor and hold on,because we haven't even got to the strange
aviation part of today, the darkevent that took place with I ran six
fy five. But give me onesecond. I apologize. I gotta get

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my coffee because it's killing me.Okay, so I'm so sorry about that.

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I apologize. I apologize. That'snever happened before, I swear who
I do? All right, let'sdo this. Let's get back into it.
Here. The speed of these thingsis forty six knots okay, which
is you know, twelve to third? Was it fourteen mile an hour faster?

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No? Ten? Twelve mile hourfaster than miles an hour, faster
than the than the larger vessel.Except this boat has the agility to turn
basically and kiss its own butt.It can do a break neck turn,
you know. But it also it'sincapable of essentially of carrying larger weapons systems
other than a couple mounted weapons andand for a few number of reasons.

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But the second you start overloading theboat with munitions weapons systems, the sudden
the agility that you once had,you know, it is gone. It
displaces way more water than it reallyshould because it's actually a pleasure craft,
and it starts to you know,you start to become basically a target with

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you know, a concentrated target,with all these people on board holding light
weapons and and you know, Idon't know if you know anything about machine
gun fire or whatnot, but whenyou have grouped up, you know.
But the fast patrol boat was usedby naval versus for Iran for years and
it's still used in a lot ofdifferent ways, and a lot of them
modified. As I showed you before, have a lot of different variants of

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it, and a lot of themare literally just a pleasure craft, fishing
or family boat that have been commissionedby the Iranian navy. They modify it,
put a stand in there, theyput a weapon system on it,
a mountain weapon system. But youknow, at one point, the individuals

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involved with the operation, the operationsalong the coast there were pretty much using
the vast majority real terrible boats forthe job. I mean good boats for
the money, but not great.The average boat they engaged at the time

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had about six individuals on it andwith a range of five hundred nautical miles,
with the ability to carry mill fuelon board, obviously these boats would
would be able to depart and spreadout, make contact with a vessel and
instantly start relaying communication. Right,So you have all these little boats out
with a b Iranian ships out obviouslyyou saw the photograph of what happened in

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the Oarian ship there. But youknow, it allowed for communication relay,
it allowed for the almost swarming rightlike as soon as someone pinpoints a ship
or it's in a vulnerable state.These boats that have all this range and
are so agile and so small,you know that they just start to come
from all directions in direct traffic thatway, and they are effective to some

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degree. But any any serious navyunderstands that want to you know, to
practice and precision strikes and so oftentimes, you know, when we train,
we're training with something that is thefastest thing you're going to engage in nature.
In nature, the predator might beable to do no, but the

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fastest thing you're going to engage inthe battlefield. So, like you're talking
about, like the Navy practicing shootingthis type of thing all the time even
then still today, and of coursethey were quite effective. You know,
when you have like you know,multimillion dollar weapons systems and things like that
on board, you can really dosome damage. But like I said,

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against an equivalent foe that has equivalenttechnology, if you are you know,
specialized in warfare with these things,you know, you they're quite effective,
and the Iranians have shown that foryears. You know, it's no doubt.
In nineteen eighty three, i Ranbought fifty one to eighteen variants and

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an additional number of an unknown numberof rol one thirty patrol crafts from Boghammer
Marin Marin and ab around for aroundten million total. In an eighty seven,
the navy of the Islamic Revolution Guardstarted using these boats widely, like
they just showed up everywhere. Theterm Boghammer, sometimes spelled bog Aamer,

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has been the improvised naval fighting vessel. But there that's actual the name of
the I don't know if it's thefamily or the place. I think it's
the family that originally started. Idon't know. Lily Hammer is a place,
though Boghammer Lily Boghamer is probably notthe town. If you want more
information about this, though, youcan. I'll leave it below from the

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Washington Institute of Near East Policy inthe Naval Technology dot Com. Okay,
moving on to my friends, I'msorry, let's get to this dark incident
here. We're moving right along.Here, we're hustling. I don't even
know what type of weapon system thatis. But my guess it's a missile.

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I think of this joker. Canyou imagine that there must be something
really cool? Still though about havinga military with a weapons system that has
basically all it's it's entirely relying onthe operator to hit the target. I
mean, it's crazy to think aboutthat. I mean, I I deployed
during that time. That's what mylife was like. But nowadays you see

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some of these systems, it's likethis person, they're like their chance they're
going to shoot something accurate beyond likeone hundred and fifty. That's even that
is asking a lot because I don'tcare if the c is calm. Have
you tried to shoot something off amoving vehicle? How about a boat on
the ocean? It's ridiculous. Andthese aren't laser guided weapons, so it's

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it's to me, it's just absolutelygnarly. But again, look how effective
an RPG is off a fast movingboat when it comes to a very slow
moving target they're trying to disable,like a freighter shit off five hundred miles
off the coast of Somalia. Youknow, these dudes are chasing these things
down and just rocketing the back ofboats. And you know, for a
long time that was super effective.Nowadays the companies are crazy to not either

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having insane insurance policy or teams onboard ready to respond to this. But
either way that these are the boatsthey use, they're very effective, and
a lot of nations will end upbuying older versions from countries that you know,
if no one else is doing businesswith these people, there'd be a
country like Iran or somewhere else orSyria. It's like, yeah, we
got a bunch of them, I'llsell them. Deal dis kind. We

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got all these new ones, andthey sell them to them, and sure
enough you'll see, like the Somalipirates with training suddenly and they're on these
boats whipping around. I wonder howthat happened. The burdens prefers to do
it a long time ago. Allright, let's move on here. Iran
air flight six five five, thetragic event of Iran Air Iran Air flight

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six five five. You know,on Strange Aviation, we don't just cover
weird looking aircraft, but you know, we cover different types of stories from
aviation history. And again, asI said, you know, obviously you've
heard the you've heard the you knowyou've heard the the old saw there.
If you don't know no history,you're doomed to repeat it or whatever.
And I don't know if I'm sayingthat correctly paraphrasing, but it's either way,

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it's uh, it's something that wehave to look back on, learn
from, and try to never doagain. Because again, this isn't an
isolated situation, but every time ithappens, the the the the the way
that it happens, you know,the systems are always toted as being this
like toted, toted, toted.I don't know what I'm saying every I'm

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an idiot, but they're always treatedas this this unbelievable, uh, I'm
sorry, piece of technology with unbelievableclarity, as in, if a person
like Kevin Day is sitting behind abunch of radar operators and the radar operators
are saying something even with this modernin the time two thousand and four systems,

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that people think that like that they'relooking at a screen of like a
live close range video footage with likesuper high clarity or something, and they're
like able to see exactly what itis, what track what what exactly is
being picked up on this radar,and that's not the case. And the
unfortunate I ran air I ran airflight six FI five in case, the

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unfortunate case of that. You know, one of the issues is that the
aircraft both looked like something else allegedlyand the air and you know, the
system that was supposed to be evenmore accurate than the last failed to,

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you know, to to easily definesomething that should have been easily defined because
it was you know, the Ffourteen Tomcat, which we're gonna get into,
was a popular aircraft, of course. But either way, let's get
into this thing here. I'm arim lint way I should stick to the
script, you know me. Here'ssomething that that actually, I mean,
this is a very similar to whatthe aircraft looked like. Obviously not the

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actual aircraft, but I ran airFlight six THY five was scheduled passenger flight
from Tehran to Dubai, the bandAbbas that was shot down on three July
nineteen eighty eight by two SM twoMR surface to air missiles. And these

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things were accurate and precise. TheUSS Vincennes fired him. It's a guided
missile cruiser. As we covered,the missile hit the aircraft, an air
Bus A three hundred, while itwas flying its usual route over Iran's territorial
waters. Shortly after the flight departedits stop overlocation at Bandar Abbas International Airport,

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it was struck. All two hundredninety people on board were killed,
including sixty infant in children. Theattack occurred during the Iranian Iran Iraq War,
which had been continued for nearly eightyears. Vincennes had entered Iranian territorial
waters as we covered, after oneof a teleicopters drew warning fire from Iranian

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speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits.The reason for the downing has been disputed
between the government of the two countries, the United States and Iran. According
to the United States, the Vincennescrew had incorrectly identified the air bus as
an attacking F fourteen Tomcat, aUS made jet fighter that had been part

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of the Iranian air Force inventory sincethe nineteen seventies. While the F fourteen
had been supplied to Iran in theair to air configuration, the Vincenes crew
had been briefed that the Iranian Ffourteens were equipped with air to ground ordinance.
If you're not understanding so far whatI mean by that or the significance

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of that. It means that,according to the investigations, the USS Vincen's
crew was alerted in intelligence briefing thatthe F fourteen Tomcats that they might be
engaging or might be spotting, arein fact carrying ordnance use on ships air

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to ground, and so put,the US has been sent in the position
allegedly of being ready to fire uponanything that does not distinct, that does
not you know, apply and leavethe airspace, and is making course for
it, you know. So,the US military starts that the sins had

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made ten attempts to contact the aircraft, both on military and civilian frequencies,
but received no response. According toIran, the cruiser Neglent leaks. Oh
my god, I can't even Theyshot it down and it was negligent.

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I can't talk. I forget that. I claims it was transmitting iff squawks
in Mode three, a signal thatidentified it as a civilian aircraft and not
Mode two as used by Iranian militaryaircraft. The event generated a great deal
of criticism of the United States.So when we catch up so far,

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if you don't really grab that graspthat part. The Iranians are saying the
aircraft was flying on a civilian flyingand using a civilian communication network. The
boat tried to make ten or madeten attempts to contact the aircraft on a

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military radio frequency network. Some analystsblamed the captain of the Vincennes, Williams.
D Rogers ID, for over aggressivebehavior in a tense and dangerous environment

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in the Danes. Immediately following theincident, President Ronald Reagan issued a written
diplomatic note to the Arenian government expressingdeep regret. When Reagan was directly asked
if he considered the statement an apology, he replied yes. However, the
US continued to insist that the Vincenneswas acting in self defense. That's the

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S fourteen Tom get there. Innineteen ninety six, during the Clinton administration,
the government of the US and Iranreached a settlement on the International Court
of Justice which included the statement theUnited States recognized the aerial incident of three
July nineteen eighty eight as a terriblehuman tragedy and expressed deep regret over the

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loss of lives caused by the incidentas part of the settlement, even though
the US government did not admit legalliability or formally apologized to or in it
agreed to pay a sixty one pointeight million dollars US. It says by

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favor, I don't know why theywould use the term by favor. Okay,
anyways, in compensation with the familiesthey are any victims loss, they

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won sixty one point eight million.But it says by favor, I don't
know what that. I'm not alegal expert, but when I hear the
word favor, I don't know.The shootdown was the deadliest aviation disaster in
history and involved in Airbus certainly thatinvolved the Airbus Series A three hundreds,
and also was the deadliest aviation disasterin nineteen eighty eight. It was also

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the deadliest earlier airline shootdown incident ontwo twenty fourteen, which we discussed in
it earlier with the Malaysian Airlines Flightseventeen was shot down over to Ukraine.
Jumping back to not Clinton but Reagan. You know how he expressed condolences for
the tragic loss if I ran flightsix' FYY five and noted the airliner

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failed to heat warnings, leading theUS has been sent to act defensively.
A Department of Defense investigation later pointedpartial blame towards Iran for allowing civilian flight
in a conflict zone. However,the International Civilian Aviation Organization criticized the US
Navy for not having equipment to trackcivilian air traffic. Do you think this

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room here can't track cavilliona air trafficor that attracts c avillionaire traffic? It
misidentified it because I'm not even aIf you know how radar works for the
military, this is what I had. This is why what's his name?

(39:21):
I'm gonna pause here for a second. Who's that guy that blocked me from
the Nimits encounter there? He wasone of the guys that worked on the
aircraft that eat two. How guythere? I can't remember his name?
That guy he's like arguing with me. I'm like, what are you talking
about? Man? It's like Iwas in the military too. Like everything
we know today, every system thatdoes what it does, wasn't it was.

(39:44):
You know, it was put togetherthrough the guidance of service people and
contractors back at some facility somewhere.It went through Q and A somewhere called
the shurancewhere but then it came tothe unit, like all of the lessons
that this thing does is from thebattlefield. So it's like it's like when
people don't recognize that they actually believethat they themselves, the people that are

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using it, can even believe thatthis is, you know, some clean
running system that doesn't have any realbugs. And whenever it does need updating,
it takes like a couple of seconds, or shut it down, turn
it out out by as a contractory, leaves whatever. Like I've been with
a system as it went like throughliteral battle testing. And so it's like,
I know that it's not just theagecism. Everything everything upgrades over time,

(40:34):
evolves, optimizes, and refines itselfthrough the statements made by the people
using it. And I'm sure,I mean, it may be crazy,
but I'm sure to the course ofthis ship going from it's it's route in
the I'm sorry, it's original startwhere before that forty six thousand mile deployment

(40:59):
where it was encountered more than onecivilian aircraft, it passed under more than
one corridor where civilian aircraft passed.You know, I'm guessing personally that this
I don't know, and maybe Ishouldn't be guessing. But this thing,
I'm just taking a wild shot inthe dark that this system that they're messing
with, now, this new ageoussystem out there was seeing civilian aircraft all

(41:23):
over the place during its travels.I guess what I'm trying to say in
this crazy rant here is that mistakesare made. Improvements follow if there's a

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if there's something in a system thatyou've done, even this, take all
the data they would have pulled frombefore they fire the missiles and use that
to recognize this aircraft better. Doesanyone? All right? I guess this

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doesn't matter to anyone. So I'mjust losing people here. I just can't
that guy PJ. Hughes, Ithink it was. It's just like,
you can't actually believe that everything themilitary has is a perfect running system.
It's it's an absurd concept. Everythingneeds to be upgraded, fixed, optimized,
refine. Everything needs technicians patch,you know, patch, like like

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literally these things need constant upgrades,like an operating system for a computer.
Why do you suppose that is it'sone of these things. That's just the
naivety of of of the UFO communitythat they would assume just because someone's saying
something. You don't think that abillion dollars system could tell you a difference

(43:00):
between a freaking missile and a tictack alienship. Well, I mean,
I think that they would misidentify anairbus A three hundred and fired out of
the sky, killing hundreds of people, including sixty children. And that's a
that's a that's gnarly. I know, it's a horrific event. It really

(43:30):
puts in perspective though, this thisidea that the Navy, at any given
time, because of its prowess,or any military branch of any major nation
on the planet, has all itsproblems worked out. You can bet it's

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not just the system. Think ofthe service members on board. Do you
think they want to be swimming outof there? Hell? No, I
know a lot of people in theNavy, including I was never in the
Navy, but I spend a lotof time in the water, that's for
sure. That don't even like thewater that much. That sounds ridiculous,
right, Hang out with the animalsthat live down there and see the size

(44:15):
of these mother efforts and you letme know. But uh, you know,
you don't. You don't want tobe struck you don't want to be
hit. That's a that's a youknow, I'm not trying to talk bad
about the Navy at all, becauseI don't, you know, not who
the hell am I, you know, But and I do appreciate our Navy
the only ways I can I can. But I will say that, you

(44:37):
know, a lot of Navy servicemembers have never even considered going into combat.
You know, combat for them isvery different. Combat for the Navy
and a lot of Air Force peopleinvolves this massive distance between your adversary.
Not all the time, of course, including like this where you got speedboats
going around, you got helicopters,you got planes, you got whatever else.
But most times and us, you'rebeing sent to go sale directly to

(45:01):
the South Tennessee, or go throughsome straight or go do whatever most time,
most of the time, most times, most of the time, you
are, of course, very farfrom something you're going to be engaging.
And I'm not sure if you knowhow the water works, but it's quite
large out there, you know.I mean, if you see a Navy
ship on the water, you're goingto be seeing it for a long time

(45:22):
before you get pretty much the maximumdistance coverage of the Earth you're gonna see
this tall, huge more than thatfor you, but this tall, huge
ship coming in. You know,they they the engage, they can gauge
you over the curvature of the earth. So it's like, I just,
I just I can understand there's alot of stuff happening, but a lot
of people in the Navy, Idon't you know, when they get in
these scenarios. I've spoken to them, it's like it's like suddenly their job

(45:46):
wasn't just you know, hanging outwith their friends and do them battle drills
and stuff and like doing these launchprocedures and all this stuff and just training
all the time. And I canunderstand that, to my I can relate
to that as an inform inferatureman.But it's like like they never thought that
they were going to be possibly engagedat close range and even you know,
missiles breaching this side of the shipor something, and and that's what was

(46:07):
happening. And there was there wasa pretty big operation going on. It
was special forces and helicopters landing onoil tankers. There was engagements quite a
bit with these small boats. Andsuddenly they think there's a F fourteen Tomcat
coming at them, and they're refusingto respond or break away. And since

(46:30):
they've already engaged that, they've alreadyliterally destroyed intelligence Iranian intelligence offices on top
of oil raids and stuff and otherthings. You know, this is all
happening for this is on, youknow, this is going on here,
and I can imagine that being amajor factor as well. You know,

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the stress, the unbelievable stress you'reunder to make sure that you're you.
You know, and I hate tosay this because it sounds a little cold
hearted, but to almost save yourbattle buddies, save the ship and ask
for forgiveness later, now, that'sprobably not that's a you know, I

(47:14):
certainly wouldn't want to be running anoperation that way. I sure as hell
wouldn't want to be running a operationthat way. And in fact, I'm
sure that the guys of four ninethey could think of times where they,
you know, chose not to squeezethe trigger when someone was driving a car
too fast at them and didn't evenrealize they were there or whatnot, and
they chose not to kill a person. I realized, oh, this wasn't
some suicide bomber. It's just aperson that didn't slow down fast enough.

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You know that there's events like thatthat we can relate to. But when
you're talking about an F fourteen Tomcatflying in at you, allegedly with air
to surface missiles with a ship killer, it becomes a little bit of a
different pressure. You're talking about howthe lives of a lot of people.
I can imagine that being a majorfactor in the decision making, the fear
that you're going to be destroyed ifyou don't make a decision quickly, and

(48:00):
you know, maybe you know theyshould have taken many other precautions about what
was going on there, but butnevertheless they chose to fire. All two
hundred ninety on board were killed.Flight six fifty five was misinterpreted by Vincennes,

(48:40):
leading to the belief that it wasan Iranian F fourteen Tomcat. The
AEGIS combat system was first introduced innineteen eighty three. The uss T Taykondo
taykond Roga CG forty seven was thefirst ship to be equipped with the AEGIS
system and was commissioned that year.The system was designed to provide defense against

(49:02):
missile threats, primarily anti ship cruisemissiles, and has since undergone various upgrades
and enhancements. Multiple warning attempts tothe airliner went unanswered, Iran saying you're
calling them, You're calling a civilianairliner or a passenger on a civilian airline.

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The US response, Hey, dipshits, why are you letting civilians fly
through this battle zone that we're fightingin? The Iranian said, your fault.

(49:45):
And since the Vincennes was in Iranianwaters, the people that were killed
were civilians and many of them,pens of them were children. What do
you think the Court of International Opinionsaid about the incident? The Vincennes immediately

(50:16):
disintegrated, was destroyed immediately. Thereis no taking back what happened, but
there is, of course, youknow, there is of course learning from
the lessons that happened then and andit was. There have been multiple other

(50:40):
shootdowns that have happened in this world, you know, in our timeline as
a nation. And of course afterwards, like we said earlier with the Ukrainian
or the Russian shooting down the Malaysianairline of Ukraine, they will continue to
be unless of things change. Butthe most sophisticated systems on the planet are
meant to do a specific thing askingthose systems without any type of upgrading or

(51:08):
design, feature additions and massive enhancementsto the system, of asking anything of
that system other than what it wasoriginally designed for. It is I guess
I would say, I guess that'sactually normal asking something different because it's what

(51:29):
you encounter every day. But it'snot, of course, as it's being
projected in eupology as being this justjust flawless. Radar is flawless. The
people that use radar know what they'relooking at. Do you have your own
radar system? Yes? You do? Oh, well, do you have
this ageis awesome cruise missile anti shiptracking system? No? Then shut up,

(51:52):
Jeff. It's just like, well, listen, guys, I'm not
trying to bring this up in away that again to profit off it.
I want to learn from history andnever repeat it. But at the same
time, you know, these typesof incidents should be a marker, you
know, in your head, aboundary. Well, if mistakes like this

(52:15):
can be made and under pressure,you know, could something else you're hearing
from former Navy people or something you'veheard as an experience or an event happening
from the Navy. Could that havebeen similar in the sense that I don't
know, sudden elevated emotions and heartrate leads to decisions and stories, and

(52:46):
I don't know. I guess I'llstop there. I should I shouldn't ramble
away here at the end, butI was trying to make it to the
hour on this thing. And Iapologize for going all over the place out
there. But the Iran six fivefive air shootdown reminds me of of just
you know. First off, Iwant to say a couple things, and

(53:10):
I don't even want to think thisfor real, but I do need to
mention it. There are hardcore peoplein Iran who believe the evidence lies almost
entirely with being a purposeful shootdown andthen knowing it because it wasn't. Hey
listen, it wasn't long after beforeReagan others and people talking about that.
Actually well there was a little bitof you know, they did actually cease

(53:32):
fire after this, so maybe thatactually brought some good to it, and
it was a little you know,Nagasaki Eroschiama style. Thinking that I was
like Jesus, I hope that's nottrue. And with all the you know,
with all the crazy, I don'tknow, I'm not trying to say
crazy, but with all the conspiraciesabout airliners going missing and possibly being shot

(53:54):
down, and listen, I'm notfor supporting conspiracies without any you know,
justification or evidence back it up.But of course, if a counterpoint or
of a rebuttal to this that,you know, the US Navy wouldn't shoot
down or misidentify an aircraft or simplyshoot down an aircraft, commercial aircraft,

(54:14):
commercial passenger plane. If that isthe counter or rebuttal, then I have
to say, I'm sorry, folks, I'm not with the conspiracy people.
But of course things have been misidentified, lives have been lost. The most
sophisticated systems on the planet, youknow, here's some of the factors.

(54:37):
Again, we have a system that'snot designed for what happened. But yet,
of course, with the capabilities thatit has, it did pick up
the aircraft. The Navy, youknow, the Navy was contacting the aircraft
on the on a military network.The stress and error of human beings,

(55:01):
you know, with what's going on, took the risk and deciding that this
thing is not responding to us.It's still on the same course. It
looks like an F fourteen Tomcat whichI don't understand. You're gonna have to
explain it to me, because Idon't get how if something's still approaching you

(55:24):
and you're getting a better and betterbounce off at every time, it still
appears to be the F ten triesright, ten different tries to make make
communications right, because this thing's notclose. This aircraft is not very close
when they first make try. Idon't get that at all. I'm not
trying to say the Navy's full ofit on this one, but I don't.
You know something's far away you callit ten times? You know this

(55:46):
is worship US Navy warship, USNavy warship. What the effort you're doing?
You e fing moron? Turned thatthing around type of thing ten times.
This aircraft, i'm guessing, isgoing what three hundred miles an hour?
You know more, because it's justtaken off not that long ago,
and it still looks like the Ffourteen Tomcat. Well, what the eff

(56:07):
is going on with the ages?So that's the case. I hate bringing
you dark stuff like this, butyou know this is the uh the war

(56:34):
room over here on the Vincennes,Uh, you know, the envy other
nations. Uh, you know,Cruise Mitchell, chips now war rooms there.
It's uh, it'd be it'd beI don't know. Me to me,

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I just keep thinking. I keepgoing back to that you have to
take yourself out of the time youlive in and try to like, you
know, hover over the timeline andlook at it rather than you know,
see the force of the tree stepof thing. I guess I'm trying to
say. I don't know, butthere is no time where this technology is
is you know, it's without flaw. That's all I want to There is

(57:22):
no time for this technology is withoutflaw. Though it gets more accurate,
you know, and some of thethings I have to question about the downing
of his aircraft. I mean thisthis the Iranian I'm not sure if you're
aware, but this aircraft right here, this badass F fourteen. You know,

(57:45):
this thing is the Iranians became oneof them, became famous with this
aircraft. There's like a famous.This thing was used the best by I
just know it's the highway down thereoops by the Iranians. And it was
something that the United States Navy,you know, was well aware of.

(58:15):
Sorry, I got a yo Korusname. She's over there trying to get
through a door that is locked,and it's it's just that the Navy would
have been well aware, and I'mjust surprised. I'm surprised that such an
error could be made. And Iknow people are like, well, that's
the that's you know, you talkabout the eighties. Man, it's been
a long time. Things don't changeas fast as you think they do,

(58:37):
even though in the military. It'sespecially not in humanity, but are our
lives itself. But there's I justfeel life. We can't think of how
they would have missed. I don'tknow. I don't know. The more

(59:00):
I read about the incident, themore it seems like almost like there was
a time sensitive nature to it,like the aircraft was when unnoticed or something
for too long. I can't Idon't even know. This is the side
of the incident as you see herefor a map of it, where the

(59:22):
fighting continues. We are fifty nineminutes and thirty seconds. The Navy continues
to improve its safety measures and itsability to identify stuff with layers of defense.

(59:45):
I'm sure you're aware. You haveaircraft in the air flying around the
ship. You've got the ships downthere, you got ship surrounded by ships,
you got multiple platform dust stuff,satellites from space, you got real
time intelligence coming about where advers aerialcraft is, of course civilian aircraft is
and stuff. So it's like,you know, now nowadays, it'd probably
be much harder. I was eveninvolved with something similar to that after you

(01:00:07):
know, after the death of Tillman, there was so many attempts from civilian
organizations for former military people, veteransthat run running their own companies now,
like a lot of these UAP peoplethat tried to produce something to reduce fraticide
and land Warrior. Though it wasgreat for navigation, that also was a

(01:00:29):
feature of it was that they wantedto reduce fraticide. And and you know,
though this isn't franticide, though thisis of course is a mistake,
you know, And well I can'tsay that for sure, but it definitely
seems like it was they it wasnot on purpose anyways, ricon that has

(01:00:50):
been the downing of of the flightsix five five. I know, all

(01:01:16):
right, there's also you know,there's also others out there who have made
conspiracy, just like the Iranians.I'll think this off now. I'm not
gonna bear the light for now.Oh my god, it's so bright.
There's also those that are not justthe Iranians there are there are those that

(01:01:39):
have pushed the idea that the engagementfrom the Iranian surface vessels that baited the
Vincennes into Iranian waters to engage.Though you could always say, why didn't
the captain choose to sit there overon the edge and just wait and fight
it out. But that's the thingthough, if if it's gorilla tactics to

(01:02:02):
fight you and then run away overand over again, if you've engaged,
screw the screw Iranian waters. Whocares going there and just start blowing the
ship out of all of them?But they they they, you know,
people have said that it was likelythat one of the the ideas was to
bait the Americans into the US vesselinto Iranian waters in order to make,

(01:02:29):
you know, geopolitical statement that thebig Bully isn't stuck to any type of
treaty. They're in there just justbeating the crap out of us, and
and maybe even allowing an aircraft tofly through a battle space that you've dragged
an aircraft that this thing in wascollateral damage that benefited the Iranians, even

(01:02:52):
though they this tragic event, theylost all these lives. But that's all
so, you know, a littleAmerican propaganda. I would say when I
hear some of these stories. Hmm. Everyone in the YouTube chat, I

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really appreciate being of them this morning. I know this is a boring show,
but it is Strange Aviation Thursday.So we're going to cover strange events
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as Rob sorry as Steve long Stayin the chat earlier that even our own
UAP experiencer Kevin Day was involved withthe with the incident off to look into

(01:03:37):
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