UFO COVER-UP REVEALED - w/ Red Panda Koala 26OCT23 - Strange Recon Radio

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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, cats and kittens and poochas and pound
puppies. On today's episode of StrangeRecon, we featured documentary filmmaker historian Red
Pandakoala check the links below beyond andjust one half hour, half an hour
before we get up to that,let's get into some UFO stuff. I'll

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bury patric On, stick around,don't go nowhere, Good morning, good

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afternoon, whatever, wherever you're at. And this toaster shape planet we're on,
that's right. The news is in, folks. They've actually done some
research, new photographic evidence from faraway from planet Earth. The revelation is
out. Everyone knows the planet there'sno toaster shape. For all those that

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wished it was still kitten or puppyshaped, you're wrong, You're way off.
That's right. What a great nonsecutor starter that no one from this's
not around or has ever seen theshow before we would understand that reference whatsoever,
and just looks at me. It'slike, okay, we'll see y.
Goodbye, ladies and gentlemen, boysand girls, That yours truly.
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up, all right in the labyrinth, in the chaotic I don't know conspiracy
world of aerial anomalies and government secrets, there's a perspective that challenges the conventional
extraterrestrial narrative. Correct The nineteen fortysaw a surgeon reports about flying saucers and

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mysterious dishaped objects dominating these guys.Six decades later and in two thousand and
four, the evolution of that storywe know obviously didn't happen into the story
and make it big in two thousandand four, But the origins of this
story changed dramatically, but evolve intothis elusive like tic tac shape, So

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from Flying Saucer in the forties decadeslater into this kind of logians no wings,
no tail, confusing kind of ambiguouslook and just certainly adding a whole
new chapter to the UFO story ingeneral. Of course, now it's going
it's going by its new name essentiallyUAP. But obviously if you listen to

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Stranger Econ, you know that wehave issues with an initialism representing thousands of
different things of being used as asentence like it's normal. But it's a
new era, it's a new time, it's a new chapter. You can
deny you cannot look at some olderfilm from the UFO stanky anals and see
that uh you know, and seethat, uh that the the that the

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you know, the topic has changedso dramatically, the topic has changed so
dramatically that uh, sorry about that, dogs barking. Seven people just left
for that. I don't know.I don't think that's the reason. It's
probably just because I'm hideous. Butstepping back for a second, let me

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see that one more time, TikTokobjects making it all in the chapter that
you can't watch these old nineteen orthese old films about UFOs documentaries or write
ups without seeing the general analysis ofall thingsasically far away, it was this
ambigulous ball of light. When wesaw it up close, it was a
disc. And today, of courseit's we couldn't tell what it was when

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it flew past us. We couldsee it cylindrical, no wings, whatever.
And I know a lot of peoplesay, well, that's not entirely
fee. A lot of people say, see orbs or whatever. You have
to understand that after like unidentified withLouelazan and the sighting of the tic TAC
or an airplane at the wrong angle, or an airplane through a digital camera
or the digital zoom exploded resulting inregardless whether whether you like it or not,

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you have to just just bow downto the fact that people truly believe,
without any real evidence, that thereare cylindrical objects or lodging propane bottle
shaped objects shooting out of the oceanat any moment and you know, doing
whatever. I'm not saying that's nothappening. I'm just saying that that is
the general narrative when it comes tohey, someone from the government is finally

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stepping up and looking into this.What are they looking into? What is
the problem of the day. It'snot flying saucers, of course, it's
it's this modern day thing of course, of you know, an undefinable you
know, tube of an airplane design. I don't know how to define it.
But many people, including myself,you know, maybe not our guests.

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I don't, of course, II you know, everyone has drastically
different opinions. I goddamn hope sobecause I'm boring, uh so, I
hope our our guests today. AndI think I obviously know that has different
opinions about what's going on, andmaybe doesn't have opinions necessarily just basing on
the weight of the of the informationthat's out there, I think that it
has a lot more to do witheither misidentifying or retelling a story that of

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more physaic technology, even though thetechnology is rather remarkable for what the public
has in their hands or what thepublic can do. It's just a mixture
of both. And and so youhave yourself a real good you know,
a class UFO tail where pilots aretelling stories. It's very brief, it's
fast, but it sounds just likesomething out of this world happened. When

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then you find out through investigation thatit's far more likely that they flew into
a weapons test, probably being shotout of a submarine, like an anti
shit missile or something. And soyou just have, like this, in
my opinion, in other's opinion,you have this idea that modern day attempt
from anyone in the government essentially tostep out and you know, take this
crusade and try to do something.Oftentimes, you know, looks like they've

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simplified the whole entire subject into kindof covering up at least not actual aliens,
but technology that would be needed tobe at best a surprise near when
a war starts or when a conflictstarts, or trialed, usually in a

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soft conflict as large as something likeTaiwan you might see, or out in
the South Tennesseee sometimes in the relativenear future. But these things sometimes often
seem far more like clandestine efforts tocover up something, cover up an accident,
or cover up uh whatever. Itdoesn't have to be some sort of
secret mission in the sense that theywere actually doing some sort of intelligence gathering

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or attack or some whatever happening.Maybe in fact, they were just testing
a vehicle and it crashed, andnow there's a cover story that if you
walk in this area there's weird radiationgiven off by this flying saucer is going
to get you alive. When youfind out later on it's it's not that
at all. It's something else,very different. That was just something they
said and then the civilians go online. Anyways, but this, uh,
these clandestine efforts to cover up thesethings oftentimes take root in some of the

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main stories. And you know,our guest films today are doing such a
great job at highlighting that there wasso much involvement by people formerly in the
military or representatives trying to do somethingon behalf of the military from a from
a you know, a study sanctiongovernment sanctioned study, that it's important to
bring those back, or not bringthose back, but keep those fresh in

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the mind of the people at leastto give them the forest for the trees.
Like, you know, the perspectivethat this is not a new thing
going on. There are old effortsto try to at least quote unquote solve
the issue, though a lot ofthem are contaminated if you want to,
in their protocols and the people involved. But you know, it seems like

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this is just another point on thetimeline of a story that we don't control.
Be it a real phenomenon with realweird, strange entities like the ones
we may have you know, encounteredone time in our life for something that
it's hard to explain, or agovernment cover up using of their own technology,
or of the aliens using cover storiesand whatnot that end up going nowhere

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and make no sense either way.Sorry, friends. The UFO in the

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forties is to flying saucers, asthe tic TAC in the two thousands is
to UAP, and it seems almostindistinguishable, indistinguishable in the difference in how
the language is used, and eventhe people that go on to produce films

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like you might think Louie Alzando andUnidentified as some sort of miraculous thing,
like oh my god. They literallygot to the point where they made a
television show to try to get thisout to people. This guy is trying
to help. Would that be thefirst time in history someone took it upon
themselves and made films dedicated to howthey researched it or what they did or
still the ongoing effort. It isabsolutely not. You can go back decades,

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so you have yourself so many similaritiesthat if you get to watching all
of Red Pandicuola's film or many otherswho have tried to to keep these things,
you know, as fresh in themind or in the consciousness of the
individual involved or interested in this topic, you'll start seeing so many equivalencies.
It's kind of weird. I know, you're, well, we're human and

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this is our societies, or howmany different options you want, But just
the fact that they, you know, some of these equivalencies would lead most
people to exit the topic in thesense that like, well, this is
obviously being played with mess with somethinggoing on here, be it the investigator
on the civilian side, be itthe government involvement, be it the witness
or the person who's injured, whateveris going on, there seems to always

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be a level of like manipulation thatis making things hard to follow. If
you've ever read Jack Brewer's work.If you've ever read Jack Brewer's work,
you'll go on to to look atsome of these, uh, you know,
older stories in euthology with even moreof a skeptical lie because you're like,

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holy cow, you know, Ialready thought there was a conspiracy,
but now there's a layer of conspiracy, not like Jack was pushing some sort
of unfounded thing. These are notyou know, a lot of this doesn't
It's not when you ask when youtalk about speculation, we're not talking.
We don't go as far as tosay that these are just guesses and best
guesses into the wind or whatever.We're talking about actual connections, partnerships,

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relationships, letters, relations you know, relationships that became public later and which
would make obviously, you know,people question the behavior some of these people
that were trying to push these narratives. Even back then, when someone said,
you want to talk about UFOs,do you mean flying saucers? What
do they say today? You know, I think they're coming from the ocean.

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Are you talking about tic TACs?Yeah? U A p a lot
of people. We'll go even astep further and say, some of these

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things are of course on purpose,you know, be it the aliens operating
them or whatever. I don't meanto roll my eyes at that, but
sometimes I get, you know,it's just a lot when you put you
don't say to yourself, Okay,well, there's a logical reason for this
to happen, like a government coverup or recover story regardless, you know,
in respect of their own technologies,or maybe even some encounter with something

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unknown that frightened the crap out ofthem in terms of what it could do.
What, you know, how itcould get past their defenses or whatever.
I don't know, but you know, people oftentimes we'll put it on,
We'll put it on the UFO communityor the UFO community often have to
put it on the world that thatthe UFO appears, it shows itself.

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The government also maybe even flies thesethings over the public like as well,
not like not necessarily go as faras saying false flag, but to say,
like, you know, a showof force. The artillery battalion down
the road loves to blow its gunsoff every Wednesday, Thursday and Friday in
the week to scare the crap outof the bad guys just over the other

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side of this valley or something.You know, that that's their style of
show of force. You have othershow of forces, like you can fly
and you know, an aircraft overa nation without being shot down there,
you know, are you know,invisible spectrum weapons also, But there are
different types of show of force.Maybe it's a it's a psychological operation,
maybe it's whatever there's a point though, where you where it's just another one

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of these, uh you know,a layer of adding your own personal subjective
feelings onto it, and it's reallyhard for me to incorporate that into you
know, kind of like how Isee this the subject A lot of people
have put I'm not saying our guesthas, our guests that it has,
or others that I that I amthat I've had on have necessarily, but

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I do feel that there oftentimes isthis kind of laid upon psychology gross that
that that is applied to the subjectthat doesn't really need to be there,
to a sense that that you suddenlyfeel that there is this deeper I don't
I don't even know how to sayit, but it's I like Red Pandicula's

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documentaries because they leave out a giantportion of this notion that ufology is built
on. That though there are abunch of anecdotes that suggest the people involved
with investigating it and the government themselvesor the Air Force themselves have at least
wanted an outcome before the investigation evenstarted. Though there are other things that
the the evidence does not lie entirelyright with the fact that you know,

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Ali are in a locker and blahblah blah. I've been studying this topic
since I was a child, andI cannot tell you where, like how
many websites, how many videos,how many documentaries, how many whatever I've
started, and it's just a littlewhile in I'm like, now, I
can't do it because they're taking thismassive leap of faith and they want you
to jump with them within moments.You don't find that at Red Panaquala's videos

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everything from the Tom Belonged timeline tonow you have that type of style of
a storytelling where that psychology. Thefirst thing that people do after an experience,
for an investigation or whatever siting isadd that layer of psychology, which
I really love to engage in workthat doesn't have that. I really appreciate

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that being absent in most times inRed pandas work there. I'm not saying
it's there at all, but boya boy, if you're like us,
when you want to hear about acase and hear about as much information about
it as possible, you know,when you followed you throughout the years,
you're usually going to have to watchthree four different documentaries. You're gonna have
to watch a bunch of different perspectives, because people are going to place upon

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it that big chunk of whatever thehell they've got going on in their own
head. And I do appreciate thatred Panda is our app that you know
that's absent there. So you knowhow I like to rant to stretch out
time. That's what I just did. How do you like that you hated
it? That's why you left?Anyways, let's move on here. I

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have problems the could model, Likeyou know what I'm saying. You have
a little logic, a little philosophythere nineteen fifty put yourself in nineteen fifty.
Ready. Flying saucers are too UFOsas tic TACs and basically tick tacks

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to uap today. You know,even though tik tak doesn't have a hold
on society like flying saucers did becausethere wasn't this robust amount of hubcaps being
thrown in the air and all thisstuff like that, but a robust amount.
But you know, you do haveyou do have it taking a bit
of a hold, especially when thenarrative of the ocean thing. I mean,
just yesterday we saw that guy fromNoah back up there that retired admiral,

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isn't he talking about needing to studythe ocean? And what do we
find out is he is he sayingthat we need to stub of the ocean
because he's he's you know, witnessedto obvious tic tech like objects flying around.
He's basically saying he needs money tostudy the ocean and blah blah blah.
So he's trying to push that UAPnarrative there, and you know,

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it just it's just it's if youI wonder if we're gonna if you watch
enough of Red Panders films and othersfilms who have who've told these same stories
earlier that that that maybe didn't haveas much information as that that are in
these things, or you know,the person was simply wasn't available, you
know, and one of the witnessesor their children finds a box in the

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wall after they go throw away alltheir or put their parents stuff after they
passed away into a locker, andyou you know, uh, oh,

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I may or may not have justsneezed really hard, but you can't tell
through Hollywood magic. H make sureyou follow our guest. I'm gonna break
away here from my crazy worthless chatI just said for everyone who just was
less, I think for the lasttwenty minute, what you've just said is

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one of the most insanely idiotic thingsI have ever heard. Okay, I
hope you get what I'm trying tosay. I really do feel like it
is a modern day attempt to actuallytake advantage of something that to some degree
is legitimately happening. And it's definitelygood to keep this fresh in Mia.

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I mean, what's that all thatis? People that don't know If you
don't know history, you're doing torepeat it or something. I know I'm
esquoting someone, but it's the truth, especially in this topic. You know
how cyclical it is, and youknow how easy it is for people to
come in and steal the narrative andthen suddenly have everyone believing something that was
the exact same thing that already wentaway because there was like nothing to it
in the first place. And itwas just like, it's unbelievable. And

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you know, history is one thingyou can you really can't get people on
ethology. It's really hard to getpeople onto that. But head over to
red Pandacuala on Twitter. First off, give them the fall over there.
Then head on over to the linksbelow. After the show's over, you
can click on the links, goover to Red Panda's uh YouTube page and

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see one of the many videos theyhave over there. It's pretty awesome.
Invisible Light one of my favorites.The story behind the first UFO film ever
made. That film would be thetrue story of Flying Saucers. It's it's

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uh, it's on it's it's justit's it's great, and I'm telling you
it's it's so obvious that we're goingto be looking at stuff like this in
twenty five years, thirty years andbe like, oh God, we're gonna
have to retell the same story becausewe felt everyone kind of fell for it.
Again. I'm not saying I knowI'm gonna be right, but it
does feel like we're released at thepoint where it doesn't matter that these things

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have changed in the government or peopleare talking about UAP, it's the same
constant. That's not exactly what I'msaying. You can almost expect that,
you can almost suspect a hysteria likething to happen. When someone comes out
and starts pointing at something that's easilycaptured. You can go point your capture
camera outside right now and point itout a plane, and unless you have

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a pretty decent camera to some degree, if you have a digital zoom,
that plane is going to look likea tic tac and a bunch of other
reasons. Anyways, Oh my god, this is ridiculous. I'm trying to
make thirty minutes I thought I could. That is horrible. I'm so sorry
for everyone who's listening and watching,who's waiting for our guests to come on,

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because I'm blowing it this morning.Let's take a look at this page
real quick to give ourselves a quickreference of the YouTube page I'm referring to,

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Like, can I opened that?Okay? Anyways, but Tom Delong's
UFO Timeline is the first upload fouryears No, no, no, what's
the first upload? The UFO channelcontent over the four years ago? And
then analyzing the team behind to theStars, Academy of Arts and Science,
Robert Hastings and UFO Nuclear Connection,the life and career of Stanton Friedman.

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Tom Delong's UFO Timeline Part one andpretty much covers a fair number of of
events and timelines in ufology that alot of them, of course, are
connected. I personally think you shouldgo watch the claris Ones because I I've
always thought that case was interesting.It has, you know, statements from

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both from from from both sides ofprese or rather prajaic answer at least not
an answer, but a person ofcredibility saying, you know, it could
be, but I don't know.It's a It's one of the most interesting
cases there because of what people areclaiming. If you're familiar with the case,
of course it's it's one of themore terrifying ones, of course,
right, because it's deeply related topeople's fears that something close to an owl

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in the mouse or something like you'rejust the mouse in any moment, something
silent, terrifying with the ability tokill you could just come out of the
sky and take you away. AndI know plays the story itself being told.
If it's told with just the people'stestimony, with no knowledge of like

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what's flying in the air or thingsthat are natural things that can actually hurt
people, I would suggest that itis one of the more It's no different
than fire in the sky. Rememberfire in the sky. When people were
younger, they watched that and theylike have like pts symptoms of foot five

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more minutes left to our guests.That's right, folks, you don't have
to suffer through me anymore. Itold our guests today. I told them
that I am going to turn theaudience into an unruly mob that can barely
take another word from me and thenhand them over to our guest. And
that's what I'm gonna do. SoI appreciate you being here. So everyone
blank, UFO, Shane rock ESTIstoned ape Lord Ludacris, al Geray rob

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Over in the UK playing the breakmusic. Thank you very much, Annie
Anne. What do we got here? Renee Cruz, Dorothy Hawkins and I
said that already, Dorothy, goodmorning, that's a bad kitty. Good
morning, all right, or goodafternoon. I hope everyone out there as

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well. Our guest is gonna beon just a few minutes here. I'm
sorry about being one boring son ofag On. One of the more recent
films he's put out is Science andUFOs. It is a two hour and
fifty eight minute long documentary. Itis packed, chucked well the notts of
information. It's pretty crazy to thinkabout, you know, just what's not

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being talked about? What you know? I don't know how many times I
could say it on the show,from having my channel riginal on to like,
you know, people today, guyslike Jeff Knox and others that are
trying to keep these messages, thesestories alive. It is insane to see
what's not being talked about. Andthere is just such a history a three

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hour documentary, you know, there'sa lot of information to take in,
and there's so many people that hadan involvement in researching or looking into UFOs
at one time and they're just neverbrought up. Again. What are we
talking about. We're addressing the claimsof wackadoo's and freaking and people that can
you know, Clay, They're goingto take you to flavor Town if you
believe HI about tic TACs. UFOShane says in the chat, thank you

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for being a UFO Shane. Weget we got full disclosure today. Guys.
Isn't that what everyone said? There'sgonna be the skiff good to go?
I heard those problems? Who didwho? Who just made the comment
nothing new? Was that Luna nothingnew or something like that. I don't

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remember who said it or if itwas even in regards that I just first
it's hen he couldn't, he can'tafford to fly. Now it's there's nothing
new. I don't. I don'tunderstand why. It's just like whistleblower if
if there's actual whistleblower protection that thenews nation, the dopts or the congressional

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hearing whenever that thing was, andwhatever else, it just wouldn't. It's
the same thing as the videos.If there's all this robust evidence, why
is it the three of the mostinbiguous I mean, they're the worst videos
ever. The government couldn't identify theseYeah, no kidding, They're a blurry,
high contrast piece of pooh. Iam. I'm disappointed pretty much cross

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the board with all. Uh.I don't know if you know that around
here? Are you approach Shane aboutall the disclosure stuff. It doesn't really
line up with my my own subjective, I guess, extremely biased narrative.
But nonetheless I'm trying to stay tothe to the truth as close as possible
I can. When it comes towhat we know, this disclosure thing is
based mostly on the public's lack ofknowledge on what UAP is in reference to

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to an all domain office, includingthings like birds and balloons, and drones.
I know we've all heard that before. I'm not going to go into
it, but it's a long windedthing. I'm sure you you got you're
on two feet. But you know, I have had strange experiences in life.
That's why I'm always like, Ialways like beat myself up over this

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topic because there, I really Iget that depunking is only good. Is
only done of course when when there'slike a you know, a a good
well of evidence, and you know, I've had experiences where I've tried my
butt off to at least back upwhat my friends and I have witnessed and

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with other people come in, youknow, the following day to go look
at what we would you know,again, I've shared these stories too many
times. I've been dumbfounded, sometimesbeing the skeptical one, being the one
that really can't still even believe myown eyes that type of thing. And
now I'm stuck. I'm stuck hopingthat one day find someone else that is

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claiming they have the evidence, claimingthey have the truth, claiming to be
the genuine article. But what dowe find out all along? Why they
can't bend spoons? They're an idiot? Okay, sir, that was inappropriate.

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Stoned Aape says they said something aboutthe propulsion system, the Pentagon misappropriating
funds or not accounting for Yes,yeah, I've heard that one, most
likely Darpotech. If anything, mybet is on is it's going to be
something that doesn't even exist today.I think if we're going to go with

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radical theories, I'm gonna say itdoesn't exist today because it was either being
something that was tested in its testform, so therefore it doesn't even look
like it looked when it was beingtested. It was something being embellished and
misidentified by those so therefore there's noreal reason to believe that it really,
like if you talking about the Nimogincident, like was what it was or

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did what they said it did,because both of them have different stories completely,
both of them have different timelines,and let's face it, rentlely,
they're are I'm sorry, I forgetyour name, sir, if you're watching
or listening, But that gentleman whoI've spoken to multiple times on Twitter,
I mean, he really did lineit up well. He even showed an
overlay of like how the rocket foran anti shit missile or that last terminal
maneuver and Deetrich's fingers. She likedescribes how the tiktag flies. I was

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like, oh god, could theyit could when things happen like that,
they don't happen like that because ofextreme manipulation. He literally took the manual
for what the missile does and overlaidit on on what her interview where she
describes exactly what the tic tac didand it's like literally or their exact movement.
It's hilarious. And to me,that's exactly what we've always tried to

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stress here. I truly believe they'reunexplained phenomena. There. We are very
I mean, I just don't seeus as being this, you know,
the rubicon of all understanding in theuniverse. We are this weird little critter
that you know, our text movingfaster than our brain can develop. So
therefore we're using our tech for allthe most primitive type of things that a
species like us can use. Idon't know, and uh, and so

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I don't believe we have all theanswers are something that'll believe that everything ever
witness has been explained, that that'show the world is deduced. We witness
it and observe it and research anyinformation on it and are out there,
and then we try our hardest tofigure it out. We make a plan
and try to capture it through itscientific device. Doesn't seem too crazy that

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there would be things maybe different thanus that'd be hard to capture, or
faster than us that hard to see, or smarter, more advance than us.
Maybe not smarter, but just moreadvanced enough in terms of technology.
So they're just as devious and theyuse their equipment just how we would imagine
if we had the ability to belike one hundred and fifty te hundre years
ahead of technology to tomorrow, andwe got to choose how that was our
own feelings today. I don't thinkeveryone had. The military would be like

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an invisible if you know, fasterthan light ships that I don't know,
you know what I'm saying. Icould go off the rails here. I
brought the tribe together. I showif you know what I'm saying. Okay,
ladies and jans, boys and girls, Finally your torture is over.
Our guest is here. Welcome tothe show. Historian and filmmaker Red Pandaka

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Wala, Who How's it going Jeff, can you hear me? I can
hear you loud and clear. Yousound great. Thank you for being here.
Are you okay? This skift daymorning, it's it's it's uh,
it's another ridiculous I know, I'mnot I'm not trying to be too cynical
opessimistic, but it is another likean absurd sir. It's the easiest headlines

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in the world in the euthology,and this is one of those ones.
Another absurd morning. Yeah, howdo you think about it? It is
kind of like there's like a like, yeah, I guess I'm sure it
is a really good way to putit. Like, there's just so many
funny moments in this in this wholesaga. Obviously, like would have been

(34:05):
cool if they were like got allthe crazy shit. But I just feel
bad for Burchette. I feel likehe was really hyping that up in his
own mind for like probably more thananyone else. And he looked super disappointed
in that video of him. Hejust looked like, shoulders down, just
beating up. I didn't want tomake too many assumptions, and I know

(34:28):
people kind of I think last noton truth Seekers, someone said I can't
something about who what Burchette was referringto if he was disappointed in Crush or
something a few days ago or wheneverthat interview was recorded with Sean Ryan or
the Sean Ryan Show or something likethat. The Navy Seal guy. Oh
yeah, when he asked him like, who gave you? Yes, he

(34:51):
didn't really say grush, but hedid make it very clear that someone he
was kind of writing on was atleast, you know, believe the information,
but was misinformed. Thought. Ithought he was rough referring to Grush.
That's kind of the vibe I got, too, And it kind of
seems like, uh, what wasthe other one? Oh, Lakatski kind
of made a similar kind of vibe. They both kind of alluded to people

(35:12):
being told stuff that was wrong right, And it's like he's kind of the
main person who's like being told stuffright now. You know. Yeah,
I haven't watched anything this morning inregards to, you know, to what
crushes. I just been seeing littlelittle snippets posted here and there for people
I fall on Twitter. But Iwas like, you know, I just
I hate being a naysayer and wantedto be like, you know, I

(35:35):
don't think anythings gonna come out ofthis. But I mean, it doesn't
it feel like after a year andand and like ten plus hours of interviews
with Rush and that's just that's Ithink that's just Congress and in staffers.
You know, we would have wewould have something that that would have like,
you know, really ignited this orat least the people that have been
hounds at the MC's door for yearsin terms of you know, politicians allegedly

(36:00):
to go in there and aught atthem. Yeah, no, totally agree,
but I mean it's like there's stillstuff happening, but yeah, totally
you'd want more. I think whatLuna Luna said, uh like nothing new,
And I think that's also what basicallyBritchet's quote is, So yeah,
you would have, you would havewanted something. I'm curious to see what

(36:22):
the the Alesondo's and melons do inresponse to this, but uh yeah,
what do you think they're gonna do? If you could be, if you
could just guess you could be,I think we're definitely gonna get a a
matt Ford image that is like naysayeron the skiff thing, whoever was in

(36:43):
charge of that, and then hopefullyI mean they have talk of like there's
like three or four names you hearkind of in the the like next whistle
blower things, so maybe those guyscome forward, but uh yeah, we'll
see. Yeah. I always kindof looked at this is there was just
enough for someone to hold on tothe story or at least advance it like

(37:05):
one step without there ever really beinganything any closer to the truth. That's
what it felt like to me.So like even if this failed, like
the rushing the skiff, if thatfailed at all, there would be some
sort of contingency by a certain crewout there that has their best hopes for
this to be, you know,come to full fruition. And I do
think that the next whistleblowers will bethe person because all you really do need

(37:27):
to do is the same thing they'vebeen doing since the fifties, which is,
you know, a little dangling andtitillation hype of a truth the story
for a few more months, andthen we'll get the next thing exactly.
Well, I don't want to justchat about this all day. I'd like
to talk about your films and allyour hard work and thank you for coming
on of course, where are youcoming? Oh yeah, no, no,

(37:53):
yeah, go for it. Athingsyou for having me on. I
like the show you an Alien Girlmorning vibes. We're all addicted to this
subject. So it's nice to havesomething for like every hour of the day.
Yeah, that's actually kind of inthe true But honestly, since since
adding a bunch of your documentaries tomy long playlist of films and stuff,

(38:16):
I've you know, I've been ableto increase my same thing, like increase
the hours in that playlist by youknow, obviously you put it a considered
amount of work in you know,tens of hours essentially of stuff for me
to listen to, or it seemslike at least hours of stuff for me
to listen to. And uh,it is. Uh, it's great because
you hear something for me. I'mone of these people that I stream it

(38:37):
out loud before I got to comein and know in here and I hear
something that you're covering, and I'mlike, oh my god, I forgot
about this. And since I've beenlooking at this rocket, development of this
missile, this targeting system, andthis reporter from this day, look how
close these things are and I start, you know, and that's great to
have. So I really appreciate that. And I also mentioned earlier just keeping
the historical record in the mind ofthe people, it's so important. Yeah,

(38:59):
and seem too like like reverse ways, like you'll cover some some rocket
thing or some some things that theGermans were building, and it's like,
oh, that's good to know.You know, you want to keep yourself
sharp, right, Uh yeah,yeah, the history stuff. I think
that's why I'm not as cynical assome of the people who are more like
focused on like the lou Crew andstuff like that, you know, because

(39:21):
I do think historically there's like alot of stuff. There's a lot of
bullshit, but there's enough stuff too. It's like I think there's something going
on. But uh yeah, yeah, well let's talk about that, because
I mean, you're obviously making thesefilms for a reason. There's and there's
evidence enough in strange behavior and communicationenough between parties involved with these things,

(39:42):
like you know, so like whatyour genuine genuinal your general thesis you'd say
if you could, if someone waslike, would you sum up, like,
you know what what you think theevidence is pointing to, you know,
through through starting back way back atyour you know, earliest subjects.
So I think one of the bigthings, right is, uh the Robertson
panel. I always like kind oflike point new people, and I know

(40:05):
you're not new, but like justto like why do I put stock in
this? And yeah, you couldsay the thing of like they were worried
about overwriting the telephone lines, butthere was like such a massive effort to
influence public opinion on this that Ithink that in itself weren't something and it
could even be right for like justour tech, but there was like a

(40:27):
total, like a documented effort.And then also it kind of ties into
like even like with like nine toeleven, right, like our society had
a stigma, right, so arethere was a thing where like pilots felt
stigmatized to report this stuff, andeven after nine to eleven, there wasn't
really like a report whatever you seein the skies kind of thing. So
if you're going with the like louReviews kind of thing where it's like this

(40:50):
is all to just get people readyto report drones for like our next world
war, just the fact that likeeven after nine to eleven we still had
this kind of ingrained stigma I thinkis pretty interesting of like it just shows
effort. In my opinion, youknow, those things don't happen. You
would think that a nine eleven we'dlike rehaul all or shit, but we
didn't. And then Coolaris is theone I like because it's like not American.

(41:15):
People always like, oh, it'sonly in America, So yeah,
I guess if the audience doesn't know, right, what is it? Nineteen
seventy seven, nineteen seventy eight inColaris, Brazil, and it's actually like
the whole state of product basically downthere. There was a bunch of reports
for like a three to four monthperiod and the reason I like that and

(41:36):
I need to redo that video,but it was one of the first ones
I did because there's just so manydifferent reports from different like levels of society.
I guess if you will, likeyou had like fishermen, policeman all
the way up to like congressmen andlike mayors and stuff like that, and
then you had the you had themilitary come out and they were supposed to
like calm the public, and thenthey ended up having sightings too that they

(41:59):
like documented and there's some photos thatlike they're not like great right appealingly Big
Low has film which is also itsown like subtangent, right. But another
thing about that is officially they hadsaid that it was like a lighthouse that
was causing all this stuff. Andthen in like two thousand and four,
Aj Gavard, who passed away Ithink this year, rest in peace.

(42:21):
He's like the big Brazilian dude.I called him like the Stan freed Win
of Brazil kind of vibes. Hedid this whole like political action movement or
whatever, and they were able todeclassify some of the documents officially that had
kind of been circulating as like inBrazil. So I like that one because
and they said, like something happenedthere and you could read about this on
the Brazilian official like archive site.And I like that because it's one,

(42:46):
it's not America. Two it's there'slike this official acknowledgment of like a cover
in a sense that in two thousandand four they released stuff, right,
and they kind of went back ontheir whole lighthouse thing. But even that,
when I'm like open to it beinglike CIA psychotronic weapons like fucker even
or mess around. Yeah, sorry, but uh even that too, right,

(43:10):
It's like if that's what happened,that's still pretty crazy and wild,
and I think like story worthy andinteresting. I'm not to cut you off
there, but it is it whenI when I think about the claims,
you know, the alleged you know, damage it was under people and everything,
I do think that we almost startto ask too much. I am
a you know, the the UShas awesome technology thing oftentimes awesome and misinterpreted,

(43:35):
and people don't really understand they fillin the blank. But I I
almost feel like, sometimes like caseslike this, if it is at least
as it was, you know,reported and reported to go, I feel
like they we're asking too much forit to be a US psychotronic technology,
like the idea that it's you're talkingabout opaque materials and lasers going through them

(43:58):
and not damaging things. Un It'slike it's just like if their sense enough
to hurt people or to take blood, but not sense enough to burn the
roof, you're asking, it's likeit's too much, It's too much and
uh not you. But I'm sayingthat that Oftentimes people say that that has
to be like a kit Green explanation, you know, like it has to
be Christopher kit Green said do dolAnd I believe in an interview. Remember
some years ago now it was attwo thousand nineteen or something. I can't

(44:20):
remember when it was, but uh, maybe earlier. But he said,
you know that he didn't see anythingthat wasn't or couldn't be done by a
sophisticated group of science something like that. What do you say. I can't
recall, but you know, Ifind it it's asking too much, you
know, it's asking too much forhuman to be a superhero at that point,
you know, like, yeah,no, I just I love to
look into little things like that couldbe seeded out into our you know,

(44:45):
our in our you know industry,because that's how it works. I mean
literally, you can point to throughthe SDI program all the way to today
in Japanese hostile takeovers of corporations,like you could point to a government effort
that literally protected technology and then disseminatedthrough these orbizations like motor role and whatnot.
Did that same thing happen with othertechnologies that being claimed in Ufo Town.

(45:05):
It seems like some of them,yes, but that one is like
holy cow. Yeah, there's somuch stuff going on, And like I
said, I, if it isour tech, I'd want to know about
it. Too, you know,and like it would be really bold of
the US, but the US hasdone some pretty bold, fucked up things
too, so you know, yeah, I mean, yeah, there's there's

(45:28):
also interesting parts about it. Ikind of hold off they might be something
natural that maybe, you know,did in fact hurt people, because we
know that you know, things likeball lightning can blow through a wall.
It can be super safe too ifthere's a if it's a conductive or if
it's that a ground was it calleda grounded frame or conductive frame, conductive
frame built like an airplane or ahouse. But it also can blow hole

(45:51):
through a wall. So we knowthat things like that can hurt people.
But they talk about, you know, in your even in your documentaries.
I think you even mentioned it.I believe of like the power going out
forehand, Yeah, I those yeah, And so you know, when I
think of how people have described alot of UFO sightings around high tension power
lines correlating with possibly power outages oror things like that, we could see

(46:15):
that maybe just maybe there are thingslike you know, a build up and
a discharge of something that could bevery you know, damaging over the course
of weeks. I don't even youknow, we don't know how it works,
but I hold out for that therebe a natural explanation. But I
don't know, maybe not. Ithink you did a great work with the
film though, all three of them. I think they do. Tell you
said you wanted to upgrade it,What are you going to add? I

(46:37):
just feel like my editing has gottena lot cleaner, like if you look
at it, like my past threecompared to like the earlier ones. I
just feel like and like my audio, A lot of my early audio is
just like really like a poppy andlike, yeah, you just learn over
time, you know, absolutely,But it's not in any way that I
would you know. I mean,there's it's good. I mean it's not

(46:59):
like no listening to him and belike, god, I really can't stand
the sound that's coming. You know, no one's I've never heard anyone critic,
right, that's the worst part.Yeah, I'm like a perfectionist who
sucks and everything. So you know, think how bad my life is?
This uh, this topic is youknow. I was trying to push that

(47:20):
my little logic thing there early aboutyou know, UFOs or to flying saucers
as UAP or to tick tack andwhatnot, what do you what do you
think about? Even in the firstUFO film, like you've made him film
about yourself? They even like almostit starts off with like are you talking?
You want to talk about UFOs?You're talking about flying saucers. Like
they answer back, like it's thesame way, like what UAP means to

(47:44):
the people today, Flying saucers wereUFOs, UFOs are flying saucers today,
tic TAC or alien craft, youknow what I mean. And it's it's
all from the same essential parties thatthat have been pushing this And I don't
know, how do you feel aboutmy logic? Yeah, there's definitely especially
during those days, right, Ithink I'm sure there's probably someone who said

(48:05):
at first, but Repelt was reallycredited out with starting the UFO and he
called it euphos like that classification acrossfrom the flying saucer one. And yeah,
there is kind of a similar thinggoing on right today with the whole
UFK thing. And that's also whyI think it's important to do the history
stuff, because right they're trying tolike only do two thousand and four and
forward. But yeah, no,and that film is really cool and I

(48:29):
but he doesn't know we're talking about. What is it. I can't even
remember when they right now Flying Saucer. Oh no, it's UFO, The
True Story of an Identified Flying Objects. Yeah, yeah, the movie and
that one was about And it's reallycool because it's like after the Robertson panel
and they kind of cleaned house alittle bit about Blue Book, Like there
was a small period where Repelt waskind of running things and it seemed like

(48:52):
he wanted to make things more open. And this is Edward Rupelt, one
of the chiefs of Blue Book.But then they kind of came down hard
with the Robertson panel and some ofthe disaffected members of Blue Book. So
it's almost like a like a TTSAkind of vibe. Back then you have
Dewey Fournet, who was a liaisonto the Pentagon, Albert Chopp who was

(49:13):
the head of the press desk,and Edward Rupelt. They kind of teamed
up with this guy to make amovie. And I actually really enjoy the
movie. I think it's like it'slike a nineteen fifties movie, so it's
kind of slow and kind of boring, but I'm like really happy they made
it. Like imagine that they didn't. But the thing about that movie,
though, it kind of just likeit fell flat. And this kind of

(49:35):
ties into my upcoming when I'm doinga video working on a video just about
Steven Spielberg and his whole UFO likeinfluence and connections and stuff like that.
And it's kind of a there's anice poetic or a nice narrative kind of
thing where when that movie came outin nineteen fifty six, the unidentified flagn
Objects Heinich was tasked with and thisis a J. Aalen Heinick who was

(49:59):
a scientific advisor to Blue Book,who said that he was like encouraged to
come up with prosaic explanations even whenhe didn't have one, you know,
so some evidence of the cover upto he he was tasked with like kind
of discrediting the movie and trediting hisold colleagues. And then there's this kind

(50:20):
of like nice like because if youwatch my most recent when it kind of
goes into his flip with McDonald andall that stuff, where he obviously right,
he ends up helping it. Yeah, it hated or loved it,
uh like that got that movie gotlike totally the reach that the nineteen fifty
six crew would have liked to havehad. So it's kind of nice that

(50:42):
he was able to give back afterbut uh yeah, it's uh, it's
it's crazy times. It's like it'sfunny because like that Monster's the California movie
could have been one of those,and it still technically is like in the
Grand UFOs story, right, likethat that movie was made with kind of
the backing and pushing of a lotof the people trying to come out with

(51:05):
the current narrative whatever you think aboutthem. Uh, it would have been
cool if it was a little bitbetter. But it is interesting how there
are these like kind of rhyming historythings of like yeah, you know what
I mean, Yeah, you've uhwhat is your next What is your next
project going to be that follows yourlike your recent three hour documentary like where

(51:27):
you end there? Is that whatyou're gonna take off with next? It's
gonna be a little bit because I'llprobably do one like down the line.
It's like about like nineteen seventy threeon like the immediate afterwards. This one
is gonna be focused mostly on likethe the closing Hunters the third time,
so like seventy seven seventy eight.So and that's also what's fun about this
subject is like there's so many differenttime periods and like sub categories you could
like bounce around. And I'm sureyou know too, right, Yeah,

(51:47):
of course, Like there's so manydifferent tangentile things you learn about learning about
this subject that it really does makeit really fun. But yeah, it
would be it wouldn't be the immediateone, but it would be able to
watch like right after the recent onetoo. But I like to bounce around
the different time periods. Sorry forone second here, Thank you very much
aestimate of the situation for the superChat big time. The show is run

(52:10):
and supported almost entirely by the ideasand contributions that you put up in the
super Chat, the PayPal wherever elseyou know, your DNA and the mail,
all that good stuff. Thank youvery much. I appreciate it.
You know, I don't want tolike harp on some of the more stereotypical
or cliche subjects, but like whenpeople do get to the topic and they
come across a name like jal andHeinech and some of the work, the

(52:31):
studies that he was he was on, or the work that he addressed publicly
that you know, cave Hiss reputation. Do do you feel that the general
consensus that people get when they googlehim as being a person that went from
being you know, essentially paid toscientifically explain away or seemingly scientifically explain away

(52:52):
that whatever's happening to someone who actuallybelieved what was going on through kufos,
or do you believe there's a deeperstory that actually happened there that most people
don't really want to Adoctor even careto hear. That's a great question,
real QUI, I've got to goto the bathroom real quick. Let's take
a quick break. Ladies and gentlemenhave a dance. Okay, we are

(53:40):
back, Ladies and gentlemen with ourguests. The hiving thing one thing I
think, and it's kind of likea negative thing on his part that I
think people don't give him negative enoughfor. And this comes up. I
always bring this up when people talkabout Rick Dody, right because like,
like obviously like he's kind of likea really big anti hero with this whole

(54:01):
thing, and like I think thatpart of that is valid, but also
it's like I am grateful that heat least is saying stuff, even if
some of it probably is bullshit,but like I'm glad that we were able
to hear his side of his perspectiveon like the Bill Moore stuff and stuff
like that, and people are alwaysso quick to like want to crucify him,

(54:21):
which I mean, I don't't thinkyou should crucify anyone, but I
get where they're coming from. Butmy point being is that like Heinich was
doing the same thing for like twentyyears, you know, and people kind
of forget about that. So that'sone kind of angle of Heinich that I
think is you know, like overlooked. And now I'm not saying we should
like look at it as like fuckhim or sorry he's a jerk, uh,

(54:43):
but like just be aware that likehe was doing the exact same thing
Rick Dty was, but just inthe like forties and fifties, like literally
like trying to gas up flying Saucergroups and like giving them this info and
saying like, oh, if youput this out, I'll like you'll be
my line of like getting info,and yeah, I just was not legit.

(55:05):
So that's one angle. Are youreferencing something specific with that last part
about the going to the UFO groupsand giving them something like, uh yeah,
there's there's some some cases of that. Okay, the what do you
think about Jack Brewers work? Whenit comes to like have you read Jack

(55:27):
Brewer's book, you know, likeNightcap about Nightcap? What's the name of
the book. Okay, thought thatmight be better. That sounds pretty good.
What is Jack? I'm drawing ablanker. I apologize anyone who knows
the reference over here on the sideof the bookshelf, but yeah, the
you know, have you read thatbook about you know, the intelligence meters

(55:50):
involvement through Nightcap and whatnot. Oh, Jack Brewer's book. I own it
and I bought it support people,and I haven't like read it fully,
but I've definitely, like when I'mresearching my stuff, like I'll definitely do
like keyword searches and stuff in thereplenty of times I definitely want to kind
of do eventually, like I dowant to do like a Nightcap video probably

(56:13):
said like mid fifties, right,and that one that's when I really plan
on like kind of just going throughthat super heavy. But uh yeah,
that's important history to know, likeabout the whole and it's like basically like
TTSA right, Well, yeah,but I guess the important thing is that
that people have witnessed. People willsee something on TV like Keyho or others
and not realize there is another anotherstory going on, like you kind of

(56:37):
just described with Heinech, like youknow that there are these individuals that are
having these other relationships and other essentiallylike just groups that are discussing things before
it happens, and you know theI don't I guess we shouldn't really get
into it too deep, but itjust does. It does feel like that
the that both sides of this areare are fault to some degree, and

(56:58):
there is deep involvement even on theside of people that that that claimed to
be helping, you know, pushfor disclosure. So I mean it does
kind of align with your work tosome degree. It obviously adds a main
amount of context to a lot ofthe interaction between some of these figures.
So when you said Heinich was,you know, talking to UFO groups and
I've spoken to Jan Aldrich and stufflike that, that's true. I mean,

(57:19):
that's like what was happening. JaneAldrich spoke about meeting Heinich in like
a secret meeting, Like do youremember, don'tyone remember that episode if you've
ever seen on Strandrica a he Heinikwould like put on his coat, you
know, and like put on thepoe boy or whatever and go, you
know, meet meet these guys,meet these UFO clubs in our investigative groups

(57:39):
in hotel rooms secretly. Yeah,so that's kind of interesting. I've never
heard of dirty right, like everyone'sin this field. Dodey feels like almost
like a little bit too dangerous tome because even though I don't know the
extent of what Heinick was doing,when it comes to what exactly he was
saying that was true or not trueto these groups, I do you feel
like Dody's awful quick to just saya lot of stuff you know that is

(58:04):
like what and his like eyes andlike his like little like half smile he
does like as he's talking about it, it's like there's kind of evidence.
Yeah, it's like a weird littlevibe going on. He's like talking about
things. What's an interesting era ofupology that that you know, starting like
in seventy seven and on, youhave like really the heart of it to
be fair and uh, and thatthere's a lot going on there that you

(58:25):
probably could cover along with this stufffor Spielberg and things like that you're talking
about. Yeah, it's really exciting. I learned a lot about it,
and you have to think great likehe especially during those days, right no
Internet, this subject was pretty stigmatizedin academia, and so you basically were
getting at National Inquiry or just likethe every the random UFO books if you

(58:47):
didn't want to go like the GeorgiaDamskier out. So that movie did like
for the American public at the time, for better or worse, right,
because reports did go up after that, which is good because a lot of
people said they felt less stigmatized,but probably a lot more bullshit reports too,
And that kind of you could tieinto the Kolari stuff because I think
Colors was like right around the timethat movie came out, So some people

(59:07):
even use that to discredit uh thatwhole like event too. But yeah,
he like his first movie was likethat he made or not his first one,
but like when he was a kid, it was like his real first
big project was about a UFO sightingbecause his like Scout Troop had seen one.
So he was pretty like UFO influencedhis whole life, you know.

(59:31):
Yeah, didn't he just make somethingrecently? I'm just did the documentary on
Netflix, The Encounters, Yeah Encounters, Yeah, which I didn't really see
all of it, but I heardsome interesting stuff. Yeah. The filmmaker
says, something's interesting, you mustlove it. He uh so, Yeah,

(59:52):
he just goes to show, right, So, like every decade he's
basically been involved in some kind ofUFO thing. He did that take in
show, which I actually really like. That's probably one of my favorite UFO
shows from the two thousands. Ah. Yes, when Liam Neeson fights aliens
to get his daughter back. Iremember, so no, I know,
but no, I do think thatit's interesting though that I remember when I

(01:00:14):
was young people to say that StevenSpielberg was actually he really knew the truth
about aliens. And then as I'man adult, I had Grant Cameron telling
me the same thing, that heleaks out information but through government secrets,
through his movies and whatnot. Etwas actually a real story. What do
you think about that one? Uh? I was real. There's there's some
like I don't think it was likereal real, but there is an interesting

(01:00:36):
story there even too that I'm goingto cover where it's like, Uh,
originally ET was supposed to be likedarker and it was all right, skies
or whatever, Yeah, like horrorabduction thing, and they kind of split
that into two movies what poltergeistme eT. So that is interesting, and
it's interesting if you look at someof the original artwork that they had for
like the scary ET kind of lookslike some stuff. Yeah. The movie

(01:01:00):
they were originally gonna make is theand they didn't is the same story.
By the way of the New YorkTimes article, the story they wanted to
paint end up not being that becauseno one was going to buy that.
Someone someone could lift you up offthe ground with no visible means and bash
up against the wall and get inyour brain and take you over in Probia
whatever else. Like the the originalET story was Et with all the horrifying

(01:01:22):
phenomena that comes with alleged alien encountersand then instead and this is just insider
stuff. Now I don't know ifthis is true or not, but the
original character his name was Reese,and he was in fact left in pieces.
All right, that was my bad. Ye, I'm sorry Jesus ladies,

(01:01:43):
and gents. You gotta pay forthese things. Dorothy Awkins, thank
you very much for the super chat. I appreciate a great to see red
pandic wall oft feature today to reallyappreciate you coming on. I really appreciate
you coming on big time because youhave put in a lot of hard work.
It's not easy to make films,you know, it's not if you
had some advice would be filmmakers.Oh there we go, geto Internet's back.

(01:02:08):
Yeah, Dorothy's Dorothy's awesome. I'mglad to be on the show.
Keep keep grinding, bro. Didyou hear the question said about you know
you have put in a lot ofwork. I do understand how hard it
is to make films, and alot of people out there want to try
to contribute in some sort of contentcreation way. Do you have any type
of thing that you less than youcan sum up for all the time you

(01:02:29):
spent working on stuff? Oh yeah, for sure, get the line.
Just start start doing it if youwant. I spent like a year in
my head being like, oh,I'll do it tomorrow, I'll do it
tomorrow. Tomorrow is a very dangerousword if you're trying to like do things
in life. So just start doingit today, Like, go look at
my early videos. You know,they're all like really bad quality, and

(01:02:50):
they're getting better, right, Andit's like not like I'm perfect or anything
now, but they're definitely a lotbetter than they were. So just start
is one of my things. Especiallywith AI stuff coming in, I feel
like it's gonna be really easy forAnd there's a lot of people who I
think would have really good channels,like Jeff Knox. I feel like if
he did more stuff, or evenlike Stephen Long for like all your like

(01:03:13):
skeptics side of the aisle, solike, if they like were to really
tap into this AI stuff as it'sabout to come out, they could make
some pretty cool content too. Butyeah, it's like, we live in
a really easy time to like learnstuff, and I just recommend if you're
thinking about it, just do it, even if it's really not good for
like the first year or two thisshow were on the seven year plan.

(01:03:36):
We plan on not being good forseven years and then eventually coming around and
getting second camera. Just kidding,We've upgraded to a second camera, but
it exposes that I have a strangelooking body and I'm not going to show
it anymore, Okay. Yeah,And as a ufown nerd, I appreciate
all these shows, like I thinklike like there's and like even right for

(01:04:00):
like some of the stuff you're researchingthis year, like you're one of the
only people who has more und learnerinterviews out there, so like you know
what I mean, like I'm movingup. You might have thought like at
a time, like it's just anotherday, you know, but it's like
I found those very interesting and usefulresearching and and especially a lot of these
daily shows too, like Goofon orCambian you know, they get they can

(01:04:21):
get really into the like intricacies oflike stuff that was going on at the
time and if it leads to alldisclosure if it doesn't. I think there's
a historical value in like all theseshows and watching it. Like how cool
would it be to see a dayto day of like the fifties, you
know what I mean, like somepeople in the nineteen fifties, you know,
just like their day to day likebs and memes and even the trolley

(01:04:41):
stuff like would be interesting. Yeah. I do think people like to a
lot of people like to relive alot of that stuff. And there's just
for one of the reasons I loveanthropology. It's just there's so many things
from history that we simply forgot,and then we do it again and react
surprised at it. Stone Date,thank you very much for supporting Braine Recount
today. I really appreciate being here. Thank you big time. Thank you.

(01:05:03):
This show is completely dependent on thepeople watching and listening to you support
likes and subscribes and contributions like that, so thank you very much. Thank
you. One of the things Iwanted to ask you, though, is,
you know, a lot of peopleare here and some of these questions
get skipped nowadays by a lot oflike skeptical communities or shows because they just
don't want to waste their time withstories or whatnot. But because I've had

(01:05:24):
things that essentially left me and youknow, disbelief of my own damn experiences
for years, like, have youever had anything, have you ever seen
anything that was like, you know, within, you know, closer than
that low information zone, at leastfor yourself or the people you were with.
No, I haven't, and I'mpretty glad I haven't. I do
think there's like a negative connotation toa lot of this stuff, maybe not

(01:05:45):
even negative, but just like likewe don't really think about like when we
eat like a cow, like withthe cowing through and I eat cows,
you know what I mean? No, I did have Like there's some I'm
sure you know this too, rightduring a show, like when people find
out, there's like obviously like alot of mixed reactions. It's getting better,
but it used to be like alot of trolling. But every now
and then there's like little he wouldnever expect you, like have some crazy

(01:06:08):
story, And there was one ofthem this like I guess you could say
she's like a family friend, butshe's like an older lady, really distinguished,
Like I never would have expected herto be like I would have expected
her to be, like what areyou doing wasting all your time on this?
But she told me a story shehad and like she was like,
oh yeah, I could never reallytell anyone about this. She sounded very
serious. And it was like inthe sixties when she was in college.

(01:06:28):
She was driving to college with likeher female friend and they kind of had
a light appear over their car anddo the classic like their lights and radio
started going all funky, and thenthey had like a missing time situation.
And she was like, sounded superserious. She's never tried to monetize it
or tell anyone else, you know, you know what I mean. So

(01:06:50):
those kinds of things are pretty interestingto me. Yeah. No, first,
you just triggered something I had tobring up. What you know,
the love for people to constantly saythat the importance of someone's story is that
it never changes. Yeah, that'simportant. But another thing is that they
don't cash in on it. Yeah, totally. They'll spend their entire lives
trying to make money from this ambiguousthing that. Thank you very much for

(01:07:15):
for hanging out with us this morning. I can't eve believe you're here right
now? Where's your show? Whereare you guys? Hey Brie? How's
it going with them? I mean, come on, let's go on with
it. Thank you very much forto strangd Rica and thank you. And
Kyle Bond, thank you again.Thank you for being here show. Kyle,
nice to meet you. Thank youfor being here. I really am
honored by all these people hanging outthis this morning, just to uh to
hear this, and I'm I know, we're super grateful if you spending time

(01:07:38):
with us again. I don't wantto keep kissing your butt, but I'm
gone. Thank you very much forbeing here. Thank you, thank you
said, thank you for being youand doing what you do. We need
to support good voices in this fieldwith so many crazy people. I am
super important, all right, movingon, No, I recognize not but
I do appreciate you saying that.I just think that it's I'm just trying

(01:08:00):
to inspire curiosity. That's all Iwanted to I don't want people to weaponize
ignorance. It's like so scary thatthat's an actual thing that people are endorsing
nowadays. Like, I don't thinkthat it's you know, weaponizing your curiosity
is like a literal term to likegold dare and start hurting people. But
it does kind of inspire the ideaof like, instead of truly getting as
much context, as many perspectives aspossible, and as much information as possible
analytical as you can, we're goingto essentially use the lack of information as

(01:08:27):
proof of of something. And that'snever been a good way to go.
And that's all I want to do, is just get people to start,
you know, hustling when it comesto this topic, because there's plenty to
learn and enough traps out there thatwe can avoid if we just go back
and watch films like Floors and stuff. And it's like we all should want
like exactly like what you're doing.Like like I was saying earlier, we
want to this field is so fullof bs, like intentional disinfo grifters,

(01:08:50):
like really weird shamming people. Likewe should want like our stuff to be
like as sharp as possible. Likewhat do they say, like uh,
like no one no or atheists likeknow the Bible like back and forth.
It should be like that kind ofvibe, you know what I mean,
Like if you're gonna be like inthe UFO camp, you should know like
a lot of the skeptical arguments andstuff like that. Yeah, it's it's

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one of the important aspects of it. Can I just ask you like people
from that from from that older timeperiod that we don't see too much today,
like that we know we know aboutthat never really they aren't really brought
up too much, unless, ofcourse it's like a historical day on the
podcast or something like what about KennethArnold his work, Like do you think
about the book he put out andwhat that means and where we are today?
Based on some of that stuff hesaid. I honestly like I know

(01:09:42):
the gist of the kind of Donaldstory, and I do know like he
was like claimed to be an experiencer, right, and I think he's a
doctor even did too. But yeah, I don't feel like I probably know
enough to even answer that question,like super hardcored, do you have the
thoughts on that? Well, Imean, I just think that he's he
he played such a pivotal role andlike in some of the early in some
of the earlier like the way likewe did, the stories are shaped about

(01:10:04):
capabilities. Uh, you know abar set, you know, for like
what you can report that it makesit phenomenal, phenomenal because this guy back
all the way back then saw itand like with other people. And I
don't know, I'm just working myway through his book after and I'm listening
to your films, reading Jack Brewer'swork, and I'm just thinking, like,
you know, there's there's things thatwe're missing that we should be going

(01:10:24):
back to look at. And KennethTharnold's story, I think is one of
those ones that seemingly has been examinedreally really good, but most of it
I feel has been done by peoplethat are just telling the UFO side of
it, you know, rather thanwhat he was doing there in the first
place. Yeah, that's what wasgoing on with Mario the you know,
the the the Hope sighting or electrokesighting from the slag and stuff. It's

(01:10:46):
just there's a lot of stories thatwe need to be told that marine does
marines that were missing exactly right.Yeah, there's a lot of stuff to
it. When did that book comeout, by the way, is it
like right after was it like inthe eighties or something like that Kell decade?
Exactly? Gosh, I have itright here, it's not. I'm
pretty sure it's like fifty something ifincorrect, My bad. Yeah, he

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had definitely an interesting like part rightthe term or like in a roundabout way
release date. No, that ain'tright. This is a re resold copy.
I don't. I have to figureit out. I'm sorry, but
yeah, he's he joined up withit. You know. One of the

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one of the stories though, inwhich is It's happening today again, is
that he joins up with Raymond Palmer. And you look at Raymond Palmer and
where he comes from and what he'sdoing. It's like the same thing you're
telling, the same thing that's happeningtoday. That's like almost like this tabloid
like attachment in the way the storystarts getting out there, and and you
have like the most alleged, mostcredible people aligning themselves with maybe individuals you

(01:11:47):
wouldn't think would they'd want to beattached to and or come from controversial parts
of the topic. The Coming ofthe Saucers is one of the you know,
the better stories out there. Ithink people should into it. Steve
and Blank, thank you uh forthe super chats. I'll uh and I'll
send you a copy of the PDFif you like. Of the book.

(01:12:09):
It's it's worth it. It's wortha read. It's pretty good. Oh
yeah, he mentions all the namesyou want to hear. Blank, thank
you, thank you. We're we'redoing it today, folks. Thank you
very much. It's not I I'mreferring to the wrong time period in book,
by the way, I gotta goback and look at the actually one
I'm referencing in the quotes. Butone of the first stories he tells,

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though, is uh. One ofthe first time he recounts his his story
instantly, someone dismisses it as missiletests from from not too far away.
And I'm like, these are thingsthat are never brought up when anyone talks
about these early sightings at all.They're just what they've been said on repeat
for years and years and years.That's interesting, brought it missiles, that's
cool. Yeah, well it was. It was actually in Yakama someone.

(01:12:53):
So another pilot was like, you'rejust you just saw the missiles being shot
out of this area that's like beingyou know, between these two mountain ranges,
and uh, and so it's possibleif that's exactly what you're seeing,
but of course wouldn't explain what everyoneelse is reporting. That's then there's so
much stuff in this subject, right, Like we're going to be looking at
this stuff to where like old anddead and like barely scratch the surface.

(01:13:14):
Yeah. I don't. I personallyjust don't have my hopes. I mean
my I don't have hope for anactual answer in terms of revelation. I
just think that, you know,we know what we know for a reason
because we've been looking into it sohard for so long, you know,
and it seems like most people it'sjust we're all waiting for that one damning
bit of information that's going to show, you know, disclose it all.

(01:13:35):
But it sounds like it's almost likewordplay, like they need money or they
want to look into it versus it'sactually out. They have answers. Yeah,
yeah, I mean yeah, especiallytoday Skiff Day. All the there
is like a shows the term orwhatever, like carrot dangling and he's going

(01:14:00):
back decades simill dance. But nowit's our turn to go through the dance.
Woo, Now it's our turn.I can't wait. You know,
I don't want to keep you onit forever. I know you have a
life to get back to. CanI ask you a couple more questions before
you take off? Yes, sir, I have a great time. Hell,
let me let me get you.Let me get you some names,
and you tell me you think likeJames McDonald. You know, James McDonald's
notother character from history that is onlyremembered through documentaries like yours. Unfortunately,

(01:14:25):
even though he has an archive outthere, people can access and stuff.
Yeah. Erica Lukes, I thinkhas some of it recently published, right.
I think she has the and Dreffularchive she uploaded. So if everyone's
interested in him. Definitely look upthat that's it's like a recent thing,
I think, I think within liketwo months or so. There's a lot
of cool stuff in there. Butyeah, he's an interesting character and even
he I do want to eventually doa video on just him because even some

(01:14:47):
of his stuff is probably out thereand wacky. But he did like push
for the subject at a time,and I do think he did get messed
with by either the government or NHI. But uh, I mean his relationship
with with Phil Class was pretty significantbecause then Class would continue that same you
know, regardless of what people think, continue that same method of critiquing the

(01:15:11):
work of these people on all theway through another decade and a half.
And you know, one of thosethings was first if you couldn't say that
what you were studying was nonsense,you know, he might say something like
your wasting government funds, you know, which some people could argue to be
true. But yeah, I mean, I feel like he's an important character
that really has never had a truce. One off awesome film that really inspired

(01:15:31):
people to just see, you know, like the thorough word on the page
work of James McDonald. He was, you know, kind of crucial to
the topic all the way, allthe way in the sixties. Yeah,
totally. And also class too.Classes one, I think would be like,
yeah, he'd there's a really goodmovie to be made there. There's
there's a whole bunch of good moviesto be made in this thing. But

(01:15:54):
yeah, he is. Uh there'seven some speculation that he was like that
class like they had dirt on himto you and if you do, look
like he was part of Aviation Week, which has had like he was what
publisher or the main guy at AviationWeek magazine or whatever, which has had
some interesting kind of run ins withufology over the course of the decades.

(01:16:15):
I mean, so I just interestingin Sagan too, right, I covered
him in a lot. Yes,Yeah, you did well covering that in
the Sagan. Yes, especially sincehe's quoted basically every day in euthology about
a hundred a thousand times a day. Oh yeah, But I think I
think some of these, like theI don't know they're the aviation magazine thing.

(01:16:38):
I noticed recently, and this isnot on one of your films went
out, but it was a gentlemanwho had filmed took pictures for Bigelo one
time was also the same name ofa guy who took a famous photo and
it was it was famous in theeuthology for a little while. It was
just gone now I can't find it, but it was called the Dripper.
It was like a nighttime photo ofsome sort of re entry aircraft that no
one could tell what it was,but they could hear it being the re

(01:17:00):
entry being done on the radio,and so they were taking photographs of it.
These you know, these plane watchers, and and that same guy was
on Aviation like we uh cover likemultiple times, including one with Bigelow.
And I'm just like, come on, man, like, why do these
people have to have any affiliation whatsoeverto a name that we already instantly put

(01:17:21):
flags up, you know, AndI'm like, God, and of all
the people, this guy's connected toBigelow in one way, it just seems
of course there's that means there's somethingthere to investigate, because I'm I can't
stop. So it's just weird thingslike that. I think back at Aviation
Week has interesting connections. You're right, we should hooker poker. Yeah,

(01:17:44):
Like you're saying, there's always allthese like right, it's a trope,
you like talk about all the time, like all the names, all the
all these names come up, orall these people have some interesting connection.
You're like, oh, of coursethey do. You know. Of course
Bigelow's tied to that, and itmade it. There is no reason for
him to be That's one of theweirder things I think the I think the
only reason why is I try toput myself in the place of the photographer.

(01:18:05):
Even if he was super an aircraft, he could have been filmer air
for something who was popular in theyou know, eighties or the the mid
nineties and stuff when it came toyou know, looking into the paranormal or
the phenomenon. I guess you couldsay it like Skinwalker Ranch and other places
you had an HTML up making prettysignificant claims and leaks out of what was

(01:18:27):
going on out there by people likeCalm Killer her and others, and so,
you know, I think that maybehe that's why he made connections with
him, But other than that,it just seemed to coincidental. Like literally
the next page was the time Ishot pictures for Bigelow. I'm like,
son of a bitch, And thateven ties into like I'll give props to
Corbell here where it's like he forbetter or worse, he's on Rogan all
the time, right, So liketo the normy who's not like a UFO

(01:18:50):
addict nerd, like we are likeand if they were to see something,
they'd probably think Carbell. So that'swhy I like, obviously I'm not saying
everything he does is like one percentby any means, no one in this
field is that. But uh,it's kind of like what you're saying.
The bigger though. It's like atcertain points you got to think or even
even with the National Inquiry, theNational Choiry ran some legit stories just because

(01:19:10):
one I think they were an op, but also to you at the time,
like that's basically where you could goto tell stuff, you know,
So there you broke it. Therethere is a I don't want to cut
you off that I think you mightcut out. Oh I cut out there

(01:19:31):
a bit. Oh darn Internet,And sorry. The the topic is is
going to be it never can goaway. First off, I mean not
just because most of it lies inthe invisible world that can't be grabbed or
held, their measured or quantified,but also because a UFO in essence is

(01:19:54):
an unidentified object in the sky,I mean, so therefore there will always
be unidentified option in the sky.I have my doubts there will ever be
some sort of cybertronic day where likethe human eye is like and like it
can easily register all things that maybe, but Garry, I think actually we
should do that. The boss den't. I Ladies and gentlemen go check it
out. But you know, Ido think it's going to live on forever,

(01:20:17):
so there's always going to be aneed to look back. You know.
Earlier I asked you about your ownexperience as you said you'd have any
were kind of glad about that.Do you have anyone in your family that
that inspired you when you were superyoung with this topic, Like, did
anyone get you on this topic whenyou were very young? I had a
family member or family friend who wasinto UPHO stuff, But it was like

(01:20:42):
we would mostly just listen to AMradio on long family drives, and every
now and then there'd be like coastto coast right but fall into that window.
But really I wasn't really into ituntil twenty seventeen. And for my
like backstory quote unquote, I originallywas going to do a Cold War channel
kind of like in the similar wayI do my channel, like just like
archival footage and just like narration,not like cutting to like live interviews of

(01:21:04):
people or anything. And I wasprepping all this stuff for that because I
do I find the Cold War issuper interesting and like the way it like
there's it ties into so many differentparts of the world and different movements.
And then the twenty seventeen stuff happenedand I was like, oh, shoot,
what And that's basically when I felldown the rabit hole. I've been
researching that ever since, and thereis kind of like this Cold War overlay

(01:21:27):
of the whole subject, which Ifind is super interesting, which makes it
like enjoyable. So yeah, that'skind of like where that comes from.
Not really like yeah, no,my family isn't really into it. They're
starting to come around right for awhile, They're like, what are you
doing? But yeah, well II how did you mind if I ask
how old you are? Yeah?I'm twenty eight. Yeah, I guess

(01:21:51):
I asked that because you know,if you're into Cold War tech and you're
around that age then and you know, UFOs are like unsensational feeling inside of
you can't get or if you wantto keep looking into them in the topics
surrounding it. I tend to wonderif it's all like just because we were
introduced to it really young or something, and we can't get off it,
and that's why we always see aconnection, like we see Biggel's name attached

(01:22:14):
to something where like we're onto somethingeven though is that the most logical thing
at the day, you know whatI mean? Like we were just talking
about who's like Corbel today is thebig person? If you if you founded
this information came to Corbell, wouldyou intually think there was a conspiracy,
Like like I am automatically attributing theBigelow thing to information back then, and
the answer is probably no. It'sjust like I feel like I think I

(01:22:36):
got influenced too young with experiences thatI couldn't explain and people being like,
you know, this is real andit's scary, and now I can't basically
shut off the idea that there issomething to find. Yeah, it's almost
like a curse right for like somepeople, like if you have an experience
like I wish I just didn't evenhave this. Luckily I don't have one,
so I guess I'm cursed in myown way, I was like addicted

(01:22:58):
to this subject. But yeah,the Cold War aspect that you just brought
up. I mean, in theCold War such an interesting time where we
didn't get to use not like Iwanted to, but like the world didn't
necessarily use the weapons that they weredeveloping, and so the stalemate of keep

(01:23:18):
developing countermeasures and bigger and faster weaponscontinued for like decades until an economical collapse
of one of the two empires.And it's like, so we I there's
like stories to be told in theCold War, not just actual military operations
intellig things, but like just techwise. It like, it's so fascinating
to see this explosion in so manyspooky, weird, interesting pieces of technology

(01:23:40):
that didn't really get used. Sonow they're being dusted off and kind of
re optimize and you know, putback together in a better way. And
it's it's it's one of the morefascinating times that I think of all human
history will be the Cold War.And I'm a fan of ancient history.
You saying, yeah, I totallyagree, and you're, oh, yeah,
thank you for your service. Cumin. What do you what do you

(01:24:01):
think of the current geopolitical situation.It's it's I mean, a smart Joel,
thank you very much for the supersticker. I always forget what supersticker is.
Thank you, Joe. Glad tosee you man, long time,
no see there is the the well. Broadly speaking, it's a it's a

(01:24:23):
nightmare, obviously, but it doesremind me and other people much smarter than
myself. I have pointed out thisvery stalemate like Cold War going on right
now, where everyone's rushing to makethe bigger and better weapons, and they
can field test some of them tosome degree, and things and places like
Ukraine or Gaza, and and nowwe're probably like all of those phases of

(01:24:46):
testing, are going to see thoseon a much larger scale of testing with
China, because unless the Chinese collapselike the Soviet Empire did, those weapons
will have to be used eventually.That is how all of humanity has ever
gone. So and you really can'tsanction off China like we could do the
Soviets. So it's not looking sohot. And I don't really want what

(01:25:13):
I think is going to happen tohappen, to be fair, but I
do think you're going to see anexplosion in the same style Cold War like
technologies. Every two years, you'regonna we're probably gonna see something rather remarkable
if you pay close enough attention.Most people like, it's not an alien
ship. I don't care, butyou know what I mean, Like you're
going to see things that are like, wow, we were driving the Honda
Civic and they were flying around inthat or whatever, you know, totally

(01:25:34):
and even with the recent stuff rightand Israel, like a lot of the
the drone stuff right like it kindof showed the U the usefulness and that's
been being used in Ukraine too,the way it's able to get around radar
and get like intricately target things andstuff so kind of ties into ALU review
says. Or it's like, oh, they're just prepping us for the drone

(01:25:56):
war. You know, it's whatstrange recon says. But no, okay,
I get well who reviews quotes Strangerin condes saying, I I just
I do think that that obviously deeplyrelated, even that back to like the
doughty stuff. Though I don't putall of it into the drone thing because
I just don't know when to betoo ridiculous to assume. But I do
feel I'm not sure how you feel. There is a good chunk of what

(01:26:17):
was going on back then clear relatedto clandestine operations with uas you know,
and like some of the earlier triesto make them look like birds and extremely
small cross sections, and even incontext when people are reporting stuff from old
military positions, it sounds almost likethey're talking about drones in kind of a
cover story like way. It wastoo small for a human to sit in.

(01:26:41):
There were no there were no controls, like there wasn't a traditional cockpit.
Yeah, yeah, when the wholeDoughey Venot's thing, right, it
was even about like ar tech,right, there's not even really like a
UFO like other than like he wastrying to influence the influence and to think
that. But it was like allabout covering up our tech correctly, right
I I do, I mean,I hope, Yeah, I truly believe

(01:27:03):
the vast majority of it is,of course that in in different organizations within
the military, UH military and intelligenceorganizations that rather that UH needed those assets,
so they get disseminated in some wayor another different people working on different
things and put their toy on thatdrone, that drone flies that new road
has this new program and whatever,and those are going to be a different

(01:27:24):
location sometimes and so we're going tosee an explosion of it, uh and
not necessarily have to be in warfor And I think that that lines up.
But I also, you know,I've been wrong so many times,
and you know, sometimes as akernel of truth, right with some of
these, with some of these topics, and uh, some of the capabilities
of Benewitz is describing, though hemay not have been able to identify what

(01:27:45):
he was looking at perfectly, youknow, it does start to take a
leap, like, yeah, dronecan stop and drop into a net and
make it look like what he wasdescribing. But when you start talking about
streaking across the sky, you knowyou're you're you're getting to yours in a
line that makes it nearly impossible,you know, So I hold out,
but I don't trust doty, soI don't know. Yeah, totally.

(01:28:09):
Anyway, do you have any thoughtsyou'd like to give our audience. I
mean, I really appreciate coming oneveryone that was in the chat today that
that I haven't seen in a whileor is here because of you. I
really want to say I appreciate it. And if you have any questions right
now, get them out there.Because our guest has a life. They
have to get back to it.Yeah, I have an army job.
Guys. Just keep doing what you'redoing. Jeff, I'm glad we met

(01:28:30):
Grey, Glad we will talk.I'm in your chat all the time.
So it's cool to come on supportgood people doing good things in this crazy
field. Yeah, pretty rocky.Sometimes there is there any, uh like,
at least direction you hope to see, like a lot of individuals that
are covering the historical aspect or I'msorry, a lot of places other than

(01:28:53):
the Spielberg thing that we should lookat or look in. Maybe you think
there's something of value to check outthere. I'll shill my other bro simate
situation. I like his comic books. I think the fifties are really interesting.
I think China too. There's alot of Chinese UFO stuff, especially
like how we're talking about like theCold Wars kind of with them nowadays that
I think should be worth looking intomore. I want to George Knapp,

(01:29:17):
you know how you got all theSoviet documents Allegedly, we need like a
China version of that. Maybe Carbelcould do that. Or something, but
they have some stuff going on overthere that'd be worth looking into. And
then probably South America too, becausethey've been open. Like I said,
like the Brazil stuff, like that'spretty open. That's pretty revolutionary for when
it happened two thousand and four totwo thousand and eight ish. Yeah,

(01:29:41):
I think just getting off the Americastuff is for US Americans. I think
it's probably good. That's actually huge. You a good point, though.
Somehow people are pushing that as well, and I think it's a good thing
to look into because if you trulywant to unify this this theory or whatever,
or unify these groups, we youknow, you got to bring it
off just one shore because it's doesn'tmake sense be right of the map of

(01:30:02):
the world with like the UFO sightings. We've all been sent that by our
family and friends who are concerned aboutus. All right, I really appreciate
you coming on. I really Iwant everyone out there to go follow on
Twitter. I share the information underneath, Go click the links and watch the
episode. I watched the movies.You can literally just click them all playlist
wise and just go when you canwatch hours and hours and hours and then

(01:30:25):
you yourself will be able to contributebetter to the conversation than simply I feel
like this is how it is.How about what about the facts? What
about the historical record? What aboutword for word? We got to get
back there and check it out.So thank you again. Hell yeah,
thank you, Jeff. I'll catchyou later. I'll be in your life
chat. Yeah, fun times,man. I hope you get you on
again soon. Is it okay ifI be coming back? Yeah, totally,

(01:30:47):
thank you. I'm gonna and andand you said I could look at
some of your films. I'd likeif I could to pull some pieces up
for people to really focus on whenthey go to your YouTube. Anything I've
made by any means, I knowhow you do your thing, like where
sometimes to play like the old stuff, play whatever you want, review it,
about it, talk talk crap aboutmy early DeLong stuff, my early
TSA fanboy stuff. Would you consideryourself a fan boy of those guys still

(01:31:11):
back in the day. Definitely,I still give them credit. I think
a lot of people on the skepticside like don't give them any credit.
But there is definitely some sketchiness withsome of the characters involved, for sure.
That I don't know if I wouldsay I'm a fanboy of them as
much, but they definitely they pushedthe ball forward. If that's good or
bad to be determined, but youknow what I mean, they do to

(01:31:31):
be determined. Yeah, all right, So thank you very much. Take
it. I appreciate hanging out witha strange recoon. I'm gonna give you
the boot here and I'm gonna saygoodbye to the audience. Thank you again.
Okay, Wow, what an awesomeguest shared it so much with us.
I know, I like to jumparound because you know, sometimes I
just think of things when when theperson's answering the question or talking that I

(01:31:54):
that I I feel that it's worthhearing their perspective about everyone out there that
contributed today's chat was super I'm justgonna thank you again because holy cow,
thank you. I love super chats. Who does it? Later after the
show's over, I'm gonna take myclothes off and roll around in them.
That's a bit of a situation.Dorothy Awkinstone, Dape Brie, what's going
on? Kyle Bond, Blank,Steve Long, and Joel thank you very

(01:32:16):
much for sporting strange ricon. Youpeople are keeping us alive over here.
I'm gonna buy the expensive Ramen.I ain't bragging. Maybe later I might
pick myself up in original Xbox.No big deal, all right, none
of that's true. Ladies and gents, click that like and subscribe, share
the show if you got the nerve, I understand, and uh give me

(01:32:36):
a mass a favor please like alwayslook for damn to look for the things
how they actually are versus how theyappear to be. Keep it weird and
keep your third I appealed Ricon youknow what? Actually pause, I forgot

(01:32:57):
about this. I have to stophere. I need to bring this up
just in case it's still going on. For we do have a bunch of
people living in Maine to listen tostrange recon If you have been affected by
the recent mental patient with a firearmrunning around Lewiston and in Maye or that

(01:33:19):
area, or you know someone thathas, I am deeply, you know,
deeply sorry that your life is affectedby the psychopath who seemingly is still
at large. I'm from right downthe street. You know we're how close
we are here and how often wewe're up in that area, and you
know the people that I consider closestto me, have family and friends all

(01:33:41):
over the area. And you know, if you're out there in Maine listening
to Stranger Recon or watching Stranger econand you've been affected by this, I
am so sorry, and reach outif you want to say anything to me
about the situation or what you know, because it's pretty horrifying and I completely
understand. And this is the secondtime in my life where in one way
or another, I've been you know, close, third time in my life

(01:34:05):
actually that I've been close to somethinglike this. This not too geographically speaking,
even though I don't even want togive you the backstory of why Lewiston
was in our conversation literally that daytalking about going to an open house today
to go look at an open housein Lewiston, and then we see why
we can't go because there's a shooterright there right now. But also,
like you know, I was youngerin the military, I was at Tacoma
Mall. I was literally driving toTacoma Mall in the parking lot where luckily

(01:34:29):
I never got out of the car. I'm just sitting there on my old
phone and it all goes crazy andI'm I don't even know what's happening,
please are just telling people to leave? So why leave? And then I
find out that there's an active shooterat the mall. Like you know,
I love firearms. I am askilled shooter. Professionalism and safety is what
I'm all about. But there issomething sickening about our once pretty awesome society

(01:34:56):
that any moment now it just seeminglyhas you know, maybe I'm just seeing
it with you know, bullshit drunkenglasses, roast colored glasses, but it
just seems like, you know,this type of thing is is like it's
almost too much to be considered likeit to be, you know, the
whole proud to be American thing,where we can't scale something back seemingly at

(01:35:17):
all, that it keeps happening toinnocent people. It's just it's fucking so
sickening. I'm I'm I like forsomeone who literally spent my entire life,
but at least as an adult doingsomething with a gun and understanding that you
know, the value in the inthe worries or you know the reasons to
be to be nervous around it orwhatever. But it to me, it

(01:35:40):
gets to a point where it's like, well, can't we figure out something.
I'm not smart enough to figure outsomething that isn't simply you know,
taking people's freedoms away, or ofcourse, you know whatever the opposite is,
which is do nothing. It's it'sjust insane and uh this, this

(01:36:01):
crap has gone too far in mymind. So if you're up there in
Maine, I know we have abunch of listeners in Maine. I know
we have a bunch of listeners inin uh in New Hampshire, right on
that line, right in that area, be safe, stay, lockdown,
reach out to me a strangeryn andI'm sorry you're going through this madness right
now. Ladies, gentlemen, boysand girls, cats and kittens. I
gotta get out of here. Keepit weird, keep your third eye feel

(01:36:47):
h m hm. You know,Ricon, I think there's nothing cooler than

(01:37:26):
being a lone wolf, except thata wolf picked when you don't have anyone
to do the wolf Wheelbower race with.

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