UFO HUMP DAY - Robert Jacobs 18OCT23 - Strange Recon Radio

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And go ladies and gentlemen, boysand girls, cats and kids and pooches
and pawpuppies. That's you're truly,Jeff White per Kingsby, Welcome back to
the other sort of strangeercon right hereon the YouTube. On this episode,
we're going over the Robert Jacobs vander Burg case. Stay tuned. Oh

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it works, Ladies and gents,boys and girls. Let's get it out,
as you know on I've said itmultiple times, I've always loved this
case, but I've never necessarily like, you know, it's belief is a
weird part, right, the RobertJacob's case, the Professor Robert Jacob's case
and Vanderburgh VanderBurg Big sur Ufo incidentin nineteen sixty four reported much later,

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of course, but you know,reports are in the works and whatnot.
But you know, the story hasalways sounded really great to me, and
the guy's attitude about it was kindof what I like about it so much,
not so much in the in itmeans, it's real, the way
he holds himself, but to acertain degree. I always thought it was
kind of funny that there weren't manyother people that tried to you know,

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like, do you remember how hewas on television. There were people,
of course it debated with fold classand everything else, but there were literally
he was like throwing insults from theUFO community back towards some of these people.
I'm not saying that was a goodthing, but it was funny.
It was entertaining for a while.Remember when he told this guy told Bill

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by the science guy, are youmaking what do they say, are you
making volcanoes with your beakers? Bill? Or something like that. I can't
remember how he said it, butI always found him entertaining. He was
ridiculous. He had a you know, neckerchief on all the time. He
never cut his never got a differenthaircut since nineteen sixty four. The guy
didn't change his clothes since then unlesshe had to go to work. I
mean, he was like a hippietrapped in a I don't even know it

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was. It was of the hewas of the time. He was a
very interesting fella, and I alwaysthought he was kind of kind of strange,
but I kept him in the introof the show because the Phil Class
can kiss my ass part was hilariousto me, not that I dislike Phil
Class in any major way, buthe I mean, come out, it's
hilarious. These guys are These guysused to go out each other on TV.

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Phil Class allegedly used to brag abouthow he used to love getting Stanton
freedom and angry because Stanton would loseit and uh and I guess that's not
a good thing. But I thinkit's hilarious though that you know that we
we look at Twitter and it's like, look at the cesspool. Look at
the cesspool of people here spreading back. You know they're mean to each other
all the time. Well, Imean they were doing an on Live TV

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and Larry King and stuff back thenand other way earlier, of course.
So let's get into this case now. If you're not aware, Jesus,
I am on a rule right now. Sorry, doesn't plug my HiPhones again,
that's that. I sorry. Igot to check the audio real fast,
my bad. Let me let methink it'll be quick. Samsung,
Samson Bill blah blah logic deck.Okay, Ricon, there's a couple layers

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right like all UFO cases. TheJacob's case is no different. There's the
what the public knows, here's thebullet points type of thing that you can
find basically on all websites with thefirst twenty pages and any search engine're going
to look for. There's the thereis the no most of that's nonsense.
What you really need to know isthis. That's kind of like what I've
been stuck on forever. Right,Like I talk about how there's no way

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this guy is watching a video,right. We said it yesterday as well,
trying to, you know, getyou ready for today's episode. But
how could anyone possibly see something dowhat he's claiming can be done on video
when I know for a fact,at the same time and shortly thereafter,
they still couldn't capture an ICBM gettingshot out of the air in clear footage

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without special techniques and camera work andcamera crews to because it's happening so fast.
So his description of events is impossible. I'm just gonna put that out
there. Like Robert, Professor RobertJake Jacobs, You've never heard him get
into this at any interview. I'venever heard him once get into this in
any interview. What it actually lookedlike on the television through the optics when

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he was in Mansman's office. ThisUFO he recorded, and in the case
goes that in nineteen sixty four,during the development of a missile, these
missilman camera crew had to go toa big sur to set up some cameras
to watch it launch. And I'mgonna setup a little slide show here.

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Not that I actually try too hardon the slide show, sorry, folks,
I just put some photos together.Let's talk about it real quick here,
Sorry, nineteen sixty four. Herewe go. And the third layer
I was gonna say before, bythe way, is the like the of
the three layers of what you're gonnafind me. Fine, I'm sorry,
I'm all over the place. I'mjust looking at all my tabs here.
Is that is, of course,that there is someone that has done a

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hardcore level, thorough bit like researchword for word, claim for claim,
step by step, place by place, every person allegedly involved, everyone that
would be interviewed, be interviewed,the the the the the impossibility, uh
the impossible nature some of the thingshe's claimed. Because it doesn't matter for

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you, I folk can do it. You still can't see what's happening on
a camera at that time, atthat speed. So someone did this research.
It wasn't just like me. Andnotice the anecdotes that there's wrong with
the story. Someone that like literallyhas gone in there and researched it incredibly
well. And I'd like to goto Astronomy UFO dot com while looking into
some of these things. But beforeI do, let me pop up this

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this slideshow and give you the background. Can you dude, I'm the worst
at this. Oh I'm a dummy. I was opening the wrong window.
Stupid me. Okay, folks,here we go. You know how it
is over here. I'm slow,I'm bad, I'm old, I'm dumb.

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Here we go, let's do this. Here we go Robert M.
Jacob's UFO claim. There's actually aVanderberg word up here. I apparently put
in black font. I'm sorry.I put this together literally seven minutes ago,
and I apologize about that. Ithought I did this already, but
I did not, and I forgiveme for that. So anyways, let's
just quickly touch on it. Thisis mister Jacobs right there, Robert M.

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Jacobs. You know you've known himon multiple shows because he's made some
very funny claims, very very interestingthings. He's a he's a person of
the sixties. There's some photographs availableof him from that time, shortly after
his military service, rather where he'slike or during his military service, which
is weirder because I don't really gethow the air force or army or air
force worked then. But I mean, he's he looks like a war torn

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hippie with badges all over his vest. And this is back then, in
the sixties and seventies, and likehe's always kind of never left that time.
If you've noticed, he's closed,the way he talks, the way
he describes, you know, ourcapitalist culture. Anyways, but he uh,
he's an interesting fellow. But he'sI think he's retired now fully,

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but he was a professor for along time. If I've been wrong about
that, my bad. But RobertJacobs claimed in nineteen sixty four to be
a part of the officer in chargeof a missile man Atlas F launch,
where he he was the camera lead. I'm sorry, I'm getting a message
here from someone just told me thatechoes back. Is that echo back,

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folks, someone told me that echofrom Yes, it's just back. It's
the same person, though, Isit possibly you f been with me as
I get the show going? Becausehow I get confused? You know what,

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It'd be better if I uh forgetit. In nineteen sixty four,
over the Pacific Ocean, out nearVanderBurg Air Force Base, a UFO allegedly
shot down a dummy warhead, andRobert Jacobs, the guy you see here,
was the officer in charge of recordingthe launches in order to see all

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types of gain data back of whatwas going on with the missile at flight,
if there was a able to interceptall these things. I post some
questions yesterday kind of purposely ignorantly,like were there even countermeasures being made back
then? Were there even nations doingthis? Were ballistic missiles easier and faster
produced before ICBMs because other nations?All of those questions, the answers were

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yes, by the way, thatall of these things were being worked on
before Robert Jacobs, And he wasjust a camera lead camera person, so
I don't know why he would haveany knowledge about some of these specifics.
But in nineteen sixty four he allegedlydrives up to Big sur and a convoy
with his crew because they can't getgood footage where they're at at Vanderberg.
You could take some photos up close, and there was part of his crew

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taking photos up close. You cansee these different things there. Sorry,
let me skip around here a littlebit. My bet they took photos of
course in the development of them backthen launches up, closes from sixty three
and launches from far away. Butthis is allegedly, you know, the
the visual that he usually shows ontelevision as what happened. It's something like,

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oh, my bed, something likethis where you'll see like a warhead
flying through the blue sky and somesort of white, translucent flying saucer like
thing fly around and shooting out ofthe shooting out of the sky. But
you know, his story makes itto the public of this UFO he filmed
shooting a dummy warhead of the skyin the on the cover up that followed,

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and his he took part in thecover up, he claims didn't make
it to the world in the youknow, the world's like the public eye
in the UFO sensational sensational sense untilthe eighties, and when he it appeared,
he wrote himself uh an app anarticle for National Inquirer and that article

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exploded, It went viral in allhands on deck. Every youthologist that had
a chance to wanted to run toprofessor, retired Professor Robert Jacobs. And
and you know, in his original, in the original mof on release of
this story, which I have upright here in front of me, you

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you even see he stresses, Hey, I you know, Geraldo Rivera and
people like Morton Downey Jr. Theonly people covering these things, and the
obviously Morton Downey Junior was pretty controversialif you remember these people. You know,
Giraldo's a jackass, but uh,heck of a mustache, but he's
you know, these people were coveringit in like kind of a very insulting

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way, and of course National Acquirerand all these other places, the Sun
Star or whatever else was saying,you know, but my alien baby was
born with one head it, youknow, but it's a three headed alien
baby from Mars, that type ofstuff. And he essentially stated that I
submitted my work to National Inquirer becauseit was the only place taking stories of
that time, which I guess iskind of the case. But to some
degree we know that there were otheroutlets of course, right, Like you

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know, even people like Keith Basterfieldhas contributed to things like that, and
you know, but at the sametime they were also writing their own journals
or in UFO publications. So it'sa matter of I wanted more attention from
my story, not that this isthe only place to submit these stories.
That's a fact. I don't carewhat anyone says. That is a fact.
There was always a place for UFOstories who exist. There's been UFO

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magazines, UFO clubs, UFO places, UFO lecture circuits, tours, conferences
forever. The National Inquirer was notthe only place. That is like people
today saying the only place they cango and get their story out there is
TMZ politicians and stuff, and itwas it was, you know, a

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questionable choice in my mind, lookingback all these years later, that his
first contribution, major contribution of hisstory getting out there would be to National
Inquirer, where he would basically claima series of things that are mostly assumptions,
and we're going to get into those. One of those assumptions, of
course, was he's part of acover up and that he witnessed with his

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eyes on camera something shoot a UFOdown and we find out later. Of
course he never saw that. Heeven admits it. No one saw that.
There's literally at the time it wasimpossible, and he even says it
himself with other people at the sitethat were filming the missile, which is
why this story is so damn frustrating. But some of the bullet points,

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of course, from his early theday the time that he got famous,
was that he was doing this becausehe wanted to set the record straight that
a lot of the people that areinternational, Acchoir and all these other people
that are being made fun of onGiraldo in Morton Junior's show here were actually
telling the truth. They were realabductees. There were real witnesses, there
were real communicators, there were allthese real things, and he was basically

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going out there to put his footdown and say, hey, I was
part of the cover up, mister. So you can't tell Barbara that she
didn't make love with an alien catlast Wednesday. You can't say that to
her because I was part of thecover up. Where have we heard that
before? Recently? Within the lastno, no, no, five years.

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Stop girl, Welcome to the Universityof Colorado. You're trying to earn
a oatmeal cookie. I gotta tellyou about UAP for thirty minutes, and
then I get a credit. Sorry, I won't say this, but but

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I mean, I won't say that. I that I that I actually believe
that anyone from any position or placethat has some intimate knowledge they can't share
or you didn't experience because you weren'tin this credential place. But yet there's
just a ton of people behind thisdoor that also know all about this good
stuff. I start to get realconcerned because even back then or today,

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these military folk. I was aformer military person, but these military folk
seemingly follow the same credit criteria andsay all the same things. They've never
changed. It's just it's the sameplaybook. Let me tell you about this
awesome story, but also let meexplain to you why this is all a

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cover up and I was a partof it, and I just you know,
it's the same outline, And it'slike, like I can tell you
nine thousand hours of stuff as longas I dance around the facts and things,
it's just like the same bull crack. I just I get so fed
up with it because it happens onrepeat for literally ever and it has never
stopped in this field, that's nevergoing to But the author constantly in the

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original MoveOn article, the author constantlyquestions the motives of the National Inquirer,
of all these people, even Daviddoctor Jalen Heinich, of what he was
doing with the Air Force during BlueBook. Like we know this is all
just to credit it. The tabloidalmost almost exists primarily due to credit the
top discredit the topic. But yethe submits his story there, which is

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quite interesting. But as it goesa little bit, okay, I got
I'll avoid that part of it.But six years after the significant event or
report was prepared about photographs taken atBig Sir, so far we know the

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account detailed events and development since nineteeneighty two, presented in plain, nonsensational
English. The author receipt was thatstupid. The author received a Missile Badge
for contributing significantly to America's missile andspace program while serving as Officer in charge

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of Photo Optical Instrumentation in the thirteensixty ninth Photographic Squadron at Vanderberg Air Force
Base, California in nineteen sixty threeto nineteen sixty six. He states himself,
Robert Jacobs. I did a littlelooking up here, and I'm no
you know, you know, militarybadge genius or anything like that. But
I did some looking up and itturns out that basically anyone who worked on

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this got a badge, anyone ata certain level. There was three levels
that they it kind of went awayand came back, and when I make
came back, it's actually back down. It started in two thousand and eight.
Again, I wonder why when fastmissiles and missileman missile jobs came back
hardcore. We talked about that quitea bit, but no one seems to
care, or early two thousands,but the it's not you know, it's

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it's almost like me saying, hey, listen, folks, I'm not bragging
or anything, but I got amedal for fighting in Iraq. Hey can
you can you cut it out?You too? Please take your fights out
of here. I have to talkto the dogs like children sometimes, so

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you know that I'm not trying totake anything away from him. Because of
course that that's a lot of data. With recording some of these and learning
how to record these flight tests,and watching intercepts and watching the kinetic energy
exchange between an intercept one of thesemissiles, and and even just the missile
launch itself. But we're at thepoint of him filming these things. You
got to understand something, This isso far beyond or we're still of course

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learning, you know, how tooptimize and refine. But by the time
Robert Jacobs is in Big Sir,setting up his new telescope to film this
rocket launch, we have been masteringrocket launches, commanding control all over the
globe. All nations that had amajor military were doing it as well.
This was not at a time wherewe needed to necessarily film the rocket and

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so because we don't know how tolaunch rockets? Are you kidding me this?
But so like it's it's He almostmakes it seem when he tells the
story, like his job was vitalto the existence of rockets. It's not
the case at all. And andI'm not trying to be a dick at
all, but it's it's it's.It's like one of these things like if

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you don't know, like about theinfantry or something, I can spice it
up and put things in context tomake it sound way better than it actually
is. I'm not saying it's notcool or it didn't contribute in a major
way. But the Army even gaveme a second infantry badge, not to
brag or anything. What's that Everyonewho gets in the unit gets it?

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No crap, Well they gave metwo. What's that everyone gets too.
They're about two dollars and sixty sixcents at the PX. Oh crap.
Okay, well I'm not trying tobe a jerk, but again, everyone's
dropping out. It's the truth.If if, if you know, the
problem with the UFO community is,and I'm serious about this, and I

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really I'm not gonna have a chipon my shoulder, but like you'll,
you'll put up with a good storyfull of lies for fucking decades and happily
applaud it and pay for it.The second someone criticizes the lies, you
look at them like hey, misternegative. Moving on. So, a

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key achievement was establishing a long rangetracking site at Big sur which influenced the
Air Force to award the Missile Badge. Now, the Missile Badge was awarded
for all the people involved with theprogram, every level, from people that
work security at the building on thesite to people that launched the weapons,
design to launch the weapons, peoplethat are corded them. Okay, the
author suggests, as if he didsomething that he was a war like,

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there was some sort of like youknow, no, anyways, moving on,
it's not again. It's contacts,military information delivered into contexts that you
think you're not quite familiar with.You're like, oh, okay, it
makes sense. He claims his experienceat Big Ser altered the author's view about
the government, personal beliefs, andof course the universe, which is fine.

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Let's move on here. If you'renot aware, Vanderberg Air Force Base
formerly Army Cook Army Base or whateverit was, is located down the coast
a little bit up Root one.I'm not sure if Root one is working
right now, because I typed in, Big Sir, California, to VanderBurg
Air Force Base and it took meall the way around. So maybe Root
one's closed right now. But thatyou know, Big Ser is up the
coast quite a bit, and uh, and you're in it's also you know,

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it's raw, it's it's a roughcountry. But it gave me a
thought. Nineteen sixty four, BigSir, Hey, I've spent some time
on the West Coast. I havesome friends that gave me some books.
Three The first time I ever readabout Big Sir was from a man named
Jack Krowac, the book Big Sir. And this book kind of changed me.
Then I thought about It's like,hey, wait a second. Wasn't

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there like this big hippie alternate universetype of festival that was going on like
twice a year, sometimes every yearin Big sur in nineteen sixty four?
Sure enough, the New Age movementin Big Sir, Joan Bia is playing
every morning. I miss you body. It's not great, you know.

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And I was like, I mean, I know he's in the military,
it's the Air Force, and he'slaunching missiles. But he is a photographer
in an area that has like thissuper new age we're all children under one
light being the sun, things happeningevery day. That seems just a little

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quid incidental. And I know,people like, what does that have to
do on? Are you serious?Do you remember how many crazy reports came
out of hippie communities about UFOs duringthose times. Anyways, Joan Bias has

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one of the weirdest voices ever.I'm not making fun of her. That
was a terrible impression, and Iapologize Joan if you hear this, if
you're still alive, that is,let's see here. A primary goal was
the document events following propellant depletion fromdistances of three hundred to eight hundred nautical
miles away, so obviously the distanceof Big Sur, then of course the
distance of the rocket and the skyheading off into the ocean. On June

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tenth, nineteen sixty four, theauthor and the team scouted their location near
Anderson Peak, Big Sur. Theydetermined that the vehicle could carry the BU
telescope to its sight, and theysolved the potential timing issue by using a
portable radio transceiver to receive timing signalsfrom Vanderberg. On July twenty eighth,
nineteen sixty four, a convoy journeyedto Big Sur for history making event.

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The technical Sergeant Thomas Dodd was incharge of their remote site. The team
included AIC, Joseph Williams, AIC, Darryl Winters, who later became the
only Air Force photographer killed in actionin Vietnam, and others. By August
thirty one, nineteen sixty four,the BU telescope arrived at Big Sur for

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a thirty day test period led byWalt Manning and his crew. The group
awaited eleven launches from the base.Over the test period. The BU telescope
and conventional cameras captured nine of theselaunches. Let's go over the incident now,
look on some of these rockets here. An official government cover up allegedly

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was initiated after one of the launches. Investigation and search for film record.
I'm sorry. The investigation and asearch for a film record continued to is
continuing to present day today. Allegedlythey're on a wild goose chase. In
my opinion, the first off,you cannot see it, So stop trying

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to find a film to look ata UFO shoot down a goddamn missile.
It's impossible. Okay, moving on, Sorry, but yelling there. At
the time, the event probably occurredon either September second, third, or
fifth of nineteen sixty four. Thelaunch involved an Atlas missile, probably the
F. It was the F.Upon looking the F was being launched at

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the exact day and time at VanderBurg, though I don't know why he didn't
know that. Don't you think it'sstrange that the guy that's taken the video
of it. Doesn't know if it'sthe F or the D, but that's
his words. The mission was testedan enemy radar defeating system. The mission
was testing an enemy radar defeating system. He claims, I love this part

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because part of what we're doing today. He claims that, Okay, sorry
about that. He claims that inretrospect, looking back at these weapons systems
and how primitive they are compared tothe tech he saw, the Nike Zeus
in retrospect seems primitive and possibly futile, but was taken very seriously in the

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origins of these of these weapons innineteen sixty four. Don't you think it's
funny that he even mentions in hisoriginal article this photograph right here that we
bring up on the show all thetime, because this is an actual daytime
capture. Would you like to seewhat he claims He actually looked at what

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he looked at on camera in hisboss's office and asked if they were just
messing around up there. Let's takea look at his own description. The
third b MP is a close representationof what we actually saw. They were

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not well defined and blobs were moremisshapen. The main thing we could see
clearly is that the decoys had acompanion. Let's take a look at what
he claimed he was looking at andwhich gave him the authority to say he
of course, was uh, youknow, looking at a freaking flying saucer

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shoot down a goddamn goddamn a nucleardummy forehead dummy. Let's take a look
at this together, folks. Youtell me, you tell me whoa whoa,
whoa who? Look at that baby? Oh my god, if I've
ever seen a goddamn flying saucer shoota fucking missile out of the sky,

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that is it. Can you believeit? Who the who is this guy?
Why isn't this guy president already orsomething? Who ask to shape for
BMW Look at that? M goddamnthis whole time I thought the guy was

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lying. Look at me, bigidiot moving on mm hmm. When looking

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through the scope and seeing what Ijust showed you, they could see roughly
the Atlas missile had finally emerged throughthe coastal fog and both tracking mounts had
focused on it. The BU magnificationwas impressive, showing in the day in
the nineteen sixty four time period throughthe BU optical ZOOPJ have you find her?

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He claims it looked impressively clear,showing detail. Jesus Christ. All
right, Moving on, The teamaccomplished the mission and they let the film

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run out what he loves to say. He likes to say the story just
like that exposed film was taking toVanderberg for processing, with the results expected
the next day. Now, Iwant to pause here for a second because
I actually met a man at athrift store who owned it, I believe
who. I was trying to buyall these space books. I kept asking
him, like where did all thesebooks come from? It's not normal for

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someone to just drop like literally thebooks were detailed, detailed technical books on
space launches of the sixties and stufflate fifties and sixties, and and I'm
you know, I grabbed a couple. But he kept saying to me,
like he kind of gave me alittle ratitude. He was like, he
was like, why do you carewho dropped by? Like why does the
people come in all the time?And he's like it was just some lady

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who father passed away and whatever.I was like, look, I'm not
trying to pry whatever. It's like, I just have a little you know,
YouTube show where I like to talkabout unnified flying objects once in a
while, but mostly the military techthat people misidentify for it, and you
know the weird stuff that goes alongwith that. When I when I'm wrong
and the guy's like, okay,now I want to talk, and I
said, okay, well let's chat. And this this guy, you know,
it's right down the street. Unlesshe's dead, I can go talk

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to him now. And he claimedit like I can't recall exactly when,
but it was sometime in the midseventies that he was tasked as a photo
It was like I can't even remembered. He was like something. I mean,
his job was to literally just lookat photographs from ISR, from intelligence

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and reconnaissance missions and stuff. Solike he at one point someone comes in
there when a I think it's aNo, it wasn't it. It was
whatever the C one thirty replaced.I can't recall now on top of my
head. But he said that thisaircraft had been flying over an adversarial nation
and they they claimed the pilots claimto have full blown with their eyes witnessed

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a UFO some sort of object thatwas hovering above the trees. And then
kind of trailed them a little bitand started moving once they went past it,
and but it never showed up oncamera. And the guy described something,
and I knew he was telling thetruth about the UFO thing. He
said, they literally pretty much tookhis team and they locked them into a
place with a you know, theyhad a bathroom, food and water.
But they sat there in this opticalroom looking at footage every single day for

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almost two weeks and couldn't find asingle detail on any UFO. But he
said that he described it as beingjust that the way you adjusted film back
down on these huge reels, you'dhave to adjust the thing to get it
to compensate for the angle of theplane and the camera and all the stuff.
And and you know, it wasit was a much different story than
when someone uses extremely broad context totalk about the detail and clarity and simplicity

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of Like it sounds like Bob Jacobstalk talks about it like he's like going
to the Oh, well, we'rejust gonna go develop some Kodak film.
It was one hour development. We'llbe back and we'll get the foot edge
and we'll go have a good oldtime. It's like the military. You
know, never does anything smooth thefirst time necessarily so like that. The
way he's even just it's just soabsurdly simplified. And when you look into

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the actual details of the case fromthe real investigators that got into it from
a critical point of view, itturns out it's not as clear as that
at all. It's just as fuckingridiculous as this stupid black and white photo
saw that he was looking at thebu tell us. Gope you find her
saying it looks something like this.We knew it had a something accompanied it,

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and you can tell Oh, whatyou're doing is conflating multiple stories and
sensationalism at the time, essentially runningaway with the fact that no one really
can disprove it. And and youknow what, you're part of the cover
up, which now gives you theauthority to say you you can't criticize Barbara
she did have sex with the catalien on Thursday. I know I was
part of the cover up. Afterthe big Big SIRT expedition, the narrator,

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I'm sorry. The narrator, theauthor of the of the article,
returns, you know, to Vander Berg, feeling accomplished. Their team
celebrated. You know, they leftthe hippie festival area. Big sir,
huge, huge hippie festival, veryfamous musicians playing there all throughout the all
throughout sixty four and on. Heleft the hippie area, and you can

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tell by his photos that he wasinto that stuff back then. I'm not
Dona saying it's bad or good oranybody literally, I mean, anyone who
dresses like that at the time whowas not a crazy combat veteran is whatever.
Okay, I'm not. Anyways,he leaves that where he goes back
and he meets his commanding officer,Major Mansman, who was a part of
the UFO cover up with him.Now, I'm giving you the bullet points

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of what the public is going torun into if they look up this case
and say, I want the details. I don't want what Greer offered in
this interview. I want more thanthat, Or ask the scene, I
want more than that. So let'sget the details. And after about ten
pages on Google and everywhere else,bing or whatever the hell else you're using,
you find just what I'm reading youright now. And of course I

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have the something very different we canlook at after and I'll leave of course
in the show notes for you toget into inside Man Ben's office, a
movie projector was set up with agroup of people waiting, including two string
quiet, dubious looking men in grayWhat did you see? You saw a

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man in black? Freaking idiot,you loser, that's it. Man in
black. That's that Will Smith.Crap sucks. I saw a man in
gray. Okay, anyways, movingon inside the office, a movie projector
was set up with two men ingray suits in the corner you know,
allegedly mean mugging this guy the filmfrom the Big Sir. A telescope recording

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was shown, displaying high quality footageof the separate separated nose cone and the
radar experiment and the dummy warhead inspace. Okay, so we're not talking
close. As the footage approached itsend, an unidentified object entered the frame
from the left. The object fleworthe warhead package in a relative polar orbit,

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moving at an estimated eighteen thousand milesan hour. The unidentified object emitted
four bright flashes from approximately four cardinalcompass points of its orbit around the warhead.
The object, which resembled a classicflying saucer. I love that with
a dome seemed to emit a beamof light, causing these flashes. He

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describes the dome as almost looking likea golf ball on top of the thing.
The implication was that the und identifiedobject had an interest in this dummy
warhead and tried to fire it outof the sky. Major Mansman inquired if
the narrator and his team had tamperedwith the recording. Were you guys messing
around down there? Did you guyssuddenly figure out slow motion footage and how

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to do CGI and how to edita UFO into it, and how to
somehow make it so we can withour eyes, with our eyes, with
those slow motion, no stop frames, those single frames, nothing are able
to clearly see something travel around,an object moving over eighteen thousand? Are
you? Are you? Did youguys figure that out? Did you guys
create Pixar studios up there and picksir? Hey, you know what?

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Who which one son of a bee? Son of a bee? Which one
of you guys real name is JamesCameron. We'll figure it out. How
to beat the best optical equipment forthese people at the time, but a
thing? Who did that? Noone was no one. The answer again,

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let's just quickly look at the freezeframe that we have to to see
how a Nike Zeus missile blows ay CBM out of the sky real quick,
and then you tell me what itlooks like, what people are claiming,
blah blah blah. So this isa single frame because we've watched the
film together, right, we've watchedthe film. If you watch Stranger ey
Con, you've watched this at andt or Bell I can't remember the archive

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where this film is in there andwe're watching and they say did you see
it? And I go no,I'm like, yeah, the little dot
in the center of the screen,I see it, Yeah, right there,
I see it. And the guygoes, hold on, let's pull
a frame out there for you.And I recognize that this translucent thing is
the unter measure shooting the white dotICBM under of the sky. And it
happened so quickly you cannot see it. You it liss just like a flat

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This guy he's like, did yousee that? Did I see what?
The white street go across the skyso fast that the object is invisible to
the naked eye. Ah, yes, that's what Professor Jacob saw with his
naked eye and that his mansman said, were you guys messing around up there?
Oh? Yeah, me and myuh me and my my battle buddy

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over here. You don't know,you don't know. I'm sir. He
his name is, you know,Steven Spielberg. Airman Spielberg. Uh.
He's got this big dream of makingkiller movies in the future. And we
thought we were gonna trick you bybringing a full production company and spend hundreds

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of thousands of dollars in a fewdays to trick you. Sir am I
graz am I crazy here anyone else, I'm sorry if I've said selling an
asshole. I mean, I mean, I don't really get I'm not trying
to again. This is not likeme being like, oh, I'm just

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this cynical, cynic naysayer of shit. I mean, like, seriously,
it doesn't make anything sense now,and to go further under serious scrutiny,
Jacob's folds and basically everyone jumps ship, except for the ufologists that we all
know today that maybe act with morescrupulous I don't know, you know,

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some of the people not maybe noteuthologists is the right term, but some
of the people that are running majornarratives in this field, of course,
flock to him to uh, toget all the goods and when everyone else
is pretty much jumping ship because,for one, it's impossible the footage that
he captured, the film that hewas looking at didn't show what he shows
on TV all the time. Imean, for Christ's sakes, on television

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next to his floating head and anon the fly interview with his handkerchief wrapped
around his goddamn neck, his neckerchief, he they show a flying saucer.
Shoo shoo, shoo, shoo shoo. It's like, that's not even close
to what he describes when truly beinginterviewed by someone who actually isn't there to

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just kind of get their feet underthem. When in the interview world,
like me or something like literally someonewho goes in there and says, what
the hell is going on? Suddenlyread to you this. I'm not going
to bore the crap out of you. I know you're not children, and
I read like a child. Sothis is going to really be annoying for
you to stick around if you gotthe guts. The story was first revealed
to the public by Robert Jacobs onOctober twelfth, nineteen eighty two, in

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the National Inquirer. As I justsaid, the brief article was reproduced by
in Flying Saucer Review in eighty three. According to the article, Jacob states,
the missile of the Atlas F launchon January eighth, nineteen sixty five
was shot down by UFO when itwas at the altitude of roughly sixty miles,
and the whole world went crazy.The next version of the story then

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appeared in Omni magazine three years laterin late eighty beginning of eighty five.
So got two years and yeah,three years later. The next version of
the story of Punit Honey Magazine Januaryof eighty five. Eric Mashara managed the
contact Florin's mansman, Jacob Superior Officer, who confirmed the story for him.

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The date of the event was determinedto be September fifteenth, nineteen sixty four.
Misshara also contacted Van der Berg,who responded that the missile launch on
that date was not shot down andthat hit the target. The story now,
they're probably lying, right, Imean, the military they can't tell
you the truth. They have tobe lying. Every single person that picks

(43:13):
up the phone any military's right now, let's all do it together. Everyone
grab your phone. We're gonna calla random military base and ask them about
aliens. And I can guarantee thesepeople have all been primed, prepped,
trained in order to lie to you, even Private Joe Schmoe, who's being

(43:34):
punished and has to sit and answerthe phone for the next forty years.
He, like Robert Dean, wasgiven a manual and he was shown all
the secrets of the universe. Okay, let's move on. So after Vanderberg
responds that the missile wasn't shot downand it actually hit its target, the

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story was pursued by T. ScottCrane in September nineteen eighty eight of move
On Journal. Like Mashara, hetalked with Mansman, who confirmed the story
told by Jacobs. When Crane discussedthe case from Mashara and his source from
Vanderberg, the Mashara stated it wasa Sergeant Lori Ray from the base public
affairs office. Crane could not contactRay, and Mansman had issues with this

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statement about the warhead reaching its target. According to Crane, the spokesperson,
Mansman claims that the statement made bythe Air Force makes no sense if the
Air Force spokesman did a review aclose dated launch and saw nothing. It
could not have been the launch thatperpetrated such quick security action. I'm gonna

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say that again because I read thatlike an idiot. Plus I was really
hard for me to read. Butagain, ready take this Susan goth all
Right. Mansman claims that the statementmade by the Air Force spokesman makes no
sense. So this is a quote. Manman claims that statements made by the
Air Force spokesman makes no sense.If the Air Force spokesman did review a

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close dated launch and saw nothing,it could not have been the launch that
perpetrated such a quick security action,suggesting then maybe they got wrong. Okay.
When Crane tried to contact the office, the US Air Force stated there
was no such records of an AtlasF being launched on September fifth, nineteen
sixty four. The confusion may havebeen caused by Jacob's claim that it was

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an F, although that's what Ifound on the Internet. Even one of
the files has the letter F onit. I believe the pictures, but
I could be wrong. Maybe I'moff. The launch on September fifteenth was
a d oh. I am wrong. I guess hold a second here.
SM sixty five f's launch between sixtyone and sixty six deployed operational ICBMs and

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nineteen sixty four five atless apps wereflown in sixty four. Missile one thirty
seven F FLU from LC eleven atthe Cape on April first and performed ACCESSL
flight. Two days later, Missilethree F FLU from fifty seven six G
Vanderberg Air Force Base and repeated thesame failure as forty five F. The
B one engine experience a stuck mainvalve fail and it did not start once

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again. The missile fell over andexploded on impact with the ground. Damage
to the silo facility was more extensive. Huh. I also look into that
more. I guess they have itright and I have it wrong. I
think I have bits of information incorrect. Here. I apologize about that.
I was. I thought, Ithought I literally have a photograph of of

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the Atlas f's being launched in Septemberof that year. But maybe it's not
right. Okay, let me goback to this. I apologize. So
the confusion may have been caused byJacob's claim that it was an Atlas F
the launch on September fifteenth was anAtlas D. Jacob's second version of the
story appeared in Moufon Journal on Januarynineteen eighty nine. His article took on

(47:21):
the title the Deliberate deception, whichis always best to, you know,
if you can't back something up,start another conspiracy. Start make a claim
that's another claim you can't verify.In the article, there was some revisions
performed enough that this article, thisauthor noted it. The date of the

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launch was determined to be two threeor the fifteenth of the sixty four.
The missile type was still an AtlasF, but Jacobs suggests it might have
been a D instead. He thinksit was an F. He added that
this test was designed to defeat radardetection. According to Jacobs, the rocket
was huge in the filming, andthe lower third of the rocket filled the
field view. Now I don't believeand I don't know this. I don't

(48:04):
have anything to back that up.I'm not talking to any officers, and
I'm just saying this off my ownbelief. Jacobs does not know the purpose
of these launches. He might knowsome reason. There's literally no reason to
tell someone like Jacob's this, Thisis not some time where there was no
counterintelligence. This is well within theyears of holy shit espionage, holy shit
spying. Everyone could be a freakingyou know, everyone can be turned.

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Anyone that's involved with these missile programs. It is scrutinized thoroughly, especially with
what they're doing, because the secondyou start handing off information in your adversaries,
what good is any of this workyou're doing. They have all the
information. This is what we do. And so again, like if Jacobs
thinks that this whole thing is todefeat an enemy radar system or something,

(48:49):
is it possible that someone was tryingto shoot these things down to the missile
type was still an atlass aft,but Jacob suggested it was a d He

(49:10):
said it was to defeat the raidart detection. According to Jacob's the rocket
was huge in the film. Inthe lower third of the rocket filled the
field of view. Jacob also pointedout that the T four hundred second that
at T four hundred seconds, wellafter the re entry vehicle separation from the
main booster, the nose cone wasstill being tracked. At this point,

(49:31):
nobody noticed anything unusual. It wasnot until the film was receieved by Man's
been the UFO event was seen.Another object flew into frame from left to
right. It approached the warhead packageand maneuvering around it. This that is
the thing quote unquote flew a relativepolar orbit around the war head package,
which fell in on the bubbla byI read this to you earlier. This

(49:52):
is his words, he said.Subsequently, the warhead malfunction and tumbled out
of SubOrbit hundreds of miles short ofits target. This unidentified flying thing had
apparently shot down quote on American dummyatomic warhead, according to Jacobs. Jacobs
then went on to hypothesize why thetelescope was present for this important event.

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Most probably the BU telescope was broughtout of California specifically to photograph this event,
which had been pre arranged. Thatis, we had been set up
to record an event which someone inour government knew was going to happen in
advance. Dude, I you can'tget me to believe someone in the military
is talking about aliens. It's almostimpossible. My freaking bias has taken over
so bad because all I see isthem taking advantage of you, of everyone.

(50:43):
It's like so fucking obvious that thesepeople are lying at certain times,
like, dude, we shoot shitout of the sky. Our missiles fail
on their own? Are missiles electronallyshut down? A goddamn solar flare could
shut down a missile. These thingsare not alien. Just because someone says
there's a lack of information, that'ssomething that I'm starting to lean on more

(51:06):
than ever in my life. I'venever felt more at home under the big
meati armpit of Neil de grasse Tysonwhen he says something like just because you
don't know what it is does notmean it's aliens. Like most probably the
bu telescope was brought to Van toBig Sir in a pre arranged way because
he believes that someone in the governmentliterally knew this was gonna happen and made

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it happen. We're hearing that shittoday. Oh I know about the secret
frequencies and things we can do makethe alien show up. Take you to
Flavor Town, baby aliens. Danegel, one of the engineers who was at

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Big Surf site said Danegel and theYouTube chat apologize on. One of the
engineers was at the Big surch sitesaid that they were there to film the
testing of experimental decoy package that washouse in the missile nose cone. And
why do you suppose worldwide web bloggersosphere, Twitter, fear people watch it on
YouTube and audio side. Why doyou think we need countermeasures? We need

(52:19):
decoys, we need penetration aids,we need systems and reduced signatures. We
need ways to go higher and fasteror lower and slower, we need ways
to be stealthy and dangerous. Whydo you suppose that because we haven't adversarios
working on it. At the timeof this, this was going down.
US espionage was capturing all types ofinteresting development and developments in China that had

(52:42):
already occurred in the Soviet Union.And then we're starting to blow up in
two countries. Now we had twonations working on things that could reach its
targets and minute and deliver warhead,a nuclear warhead, so possibly so.
Of course the countermeasures were out there. Of course the penetration aids were being
worked on. We've on over ittoo many times. But the fact of
the matter is that so many peoplestill would believe right that something traveling along

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an object must be mysterious, andthe fact that it worked its way around
it. It sounds like it hasto be something that has the ability to
fly in any direction at any time. I'd like to bring this up to
you one more time again, let'sall look at it together. This is
a description and a little thing theymade on MS paint with Robert Jacobs here.
Now, now here's the deal.Ready, I'm just gonna make some

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assumptions, right because there is adescription to it, right the a warhead
in a cone. It would bebetter if I show you about this.
This might help you out here.This might give me a good visual.
Look at this, Look at this. This is a better one. Take
a look at this here, butjust look at that. Let's just take
a look at this. You lookat that. Take a look at this.
Okay, you see there are alldifferent types of mess methods to solve

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a problem, right, we knowthis. We go over this and I
hate to say at all times itmakes it sound like I'm talking to babies.
I know you're not a baby,but we all need help looking at
things in different perspectives. That's youknow, philosophy and its core. And
you know, one of the solutionswe have for warheads flying into space is
to open up a cylindrical like thingand expose a cone inside out. Inside

(54:15):
the cylinder are decoys inside the warheadif it splits open, could be bomblets,
could be multiple decoys launching. Youknow, four of these things and
only one of them is the realone, but all of them have balloon
bomblets inside of it. You know, we've seen pictures of it. We
watch videos together of it multiple times, and I know you probably don't want

(54:37):
me to show you again, butlet me just put mm hmmm, well
you just see all right, herewe go. Let me bring up and
one of the reasons why these weknow, the multi object intersect or the

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multi kill vehicle was developed to bedistributed in space on short on short time
notice, is because of these decoys, of these bomb ups, of these
separated objects scattering shit everywhere, someslower, some faster, some hot or
some colder, makes it harder foryou to shoot this thing out of the
air. Professor Jacob's former cameraman therewas describe something that sounded exactly like what

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Dan Nagel just said. I mean, he describes it exactly. I'm trying
to find a better kind of youknow, industry picture of a of it,
but all I can find is kindof new one. The hell is
this? Okay, maybe I can'tfind it. Well, we'll look forward

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at some point. But uh,you know a lot of these things spread
out and just have miles upon milesof deborahs, if you will, debris
where it's just dumping out balloons anda lot of them, of course,
are foil balloons where you see uhyou know that just uh you know,
the the the inability for you totarget something accurately because it has so many

(56:14):
things that are helping it penetrate,so many things that are helping it get
past the uh, the the defensivecountermeasure for it. And we've talked about
that too many times, and Idon't want to keep going into that,
but you should know what's out therethat would be easily be able to find
something. Jesus Christ, what's thisthat's not it? I'm so glad that

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I did not google this while thefreaking search engine is open, because that
wasn't good. So one of thethings I I god of do. One
of the things you have to keepmind is that there's a long history of

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trying to develop different types of decoys. Some of these decoys inflated instantaneously once
they got to space. Some ofthem broke off and inflated beforehand, and
they looked like the weapon literal triangleor cone shaped objects that were just inflatable
foil things, and they were there, and you know, globular shape and
of course the shape of the warheaditself in order for someone to accidentally shoot

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that out of the air rather thanthe warhead and the warhead makes it to
its target. You would not tellJacobs that. You wouldn't tell Jacobs that
there was another crew on an islandoff the coast of California ready to shoot
down that weapon. You wouldn't tellJacob's any of that. There's multiple reasons
why as well. You would wantto know what can be gained from the

(57:45):
bu and from their their camera gear, and so so you just don't.
You're not filling everyone in, youknow. And when these things make re
entry, the secrets are still outthere. There's no one knows truly what
has been developed and what can beimplemented, what can truly be used.
As far as I can concern,it's it would modern day re entry debris

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and decoys would be a feffing nightmarethrones and things that fly fast and other
directions, and you know, alltypes of crazy stuff. If you're interested
in that, I will leave inflatableelectrical electrical flatable erectable decoys for a minutemen
and other things that they developed throughoutthe years, throughout the sixties and seventies,

(58:29):
and you'll see that it's it's morethan just a missile. And stories
like this are right for being misusedand delivered and miss and out of context
information. I really wish I couldbring I don't know what it's saying.
It's okay, I give up onthat ship, all right, Moving on,

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the world had a taste. RobertHastings was motivated, not in a
bad way, but the world suddenlywas told. The implication was someone is

(59:17):
here on this planet. They canshoot our best weapons out of the sky
and nothing we have does that?Jack take that Bill Nye, you know.
And it's one thing he wasn't awareof what we had at that day.
So typical eupology problem. We humanscan't do that. You don't know

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what you're talking about. And youwere there, you didn't even know what
missile you were filming, And it'sjust not fair. And I really wish
that there was some way that wecould, like, you know, that
the public was happier with knowing thatwe had something that looks exactly like it
did exactly that. Heck, weeven showed something yesterday that was being you

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know afterwards allegedly. But you know, there were all different types of decoys
and solutions to clear those decoys.The multi kill vehicle that we talk about
quite often. That thing goes aroundand just tries to kill every decoy it
is. It's like, kill allthe decoys, find the real warhead.
And so they've there's been solutions towhat you know, even he described on
that bu Optics viewfinder. Then MajorMansman told the narrator that they witnessed what

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they witnessed, allegedly told the narratorwhat the witness never happened, which gave
him the authority one day to suggestthat he was a part of a government
cover up over UFOs, including beingwitnessed to something on camera like an alien
spaceship footing a missile down. Hewas part of the cover up. Mansman
was part of the cover up.They were all part of the cover up.
He was never to mention the footageto anyone, but it did a

(01:00:50):
lot. He had his own televisionshow at the time. I forgot to
mention that when he issued this letterto Moufon, he was the star of
his own television show. I believecould be wrong, but I'm pretty sure
he's a public access public access speaker. The narrator was ushered out of the
room inside the author of the article. I keep saying, narrator, sorry,

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the author of the article was uhushered out of the room. This
never took place. The men ingray probably confiscated it. If ever asked
about the event in the future,the narrator was to attribute the flashes to
laser tracking. Yeah, I don'tknow. Hey, thanks for everyone being

(01:01:55):
in the YouTube chat. I appreciateyou sticking around after all this time.
We're in an hour now, folks, if you can do me a massive
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favorite help out? All right?Moving on here, the narrator mentions that

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in nineteen sixty four there were nolaser tracking and no known spacecraft capable of
the maneuvers they witnessed. Out ofloyalty demandsmen, the author mister Robert Jacobs
suggests, because of his loyalty,he will be a part of the cover
up. But then when he startedresearching this UFO topic, he was like,

(01:02:47):
not on my watch, And hedecided to step forth and put his
name out there, threw his hatinto the ring, if you will.
In the National Enquirer, he said, move over, goat baby, I
mean, goat boy. H RobertJacobs is here. He got intensely it

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described by himself, into the UFOtopic. He says it had the exact
same impact on him as watching JFKbe assassinated. Dang dang. I remember

(01:03:39):
that time I saw me and mymother saw that weird black aircraft black triangle
drop out of the sky that dayand and and hover over the trees,
and I was like, damn.That was like that time DFK got its
head blown off. That was Ishould have said that. Oh fuck all
right. Juson Man's men interrupted theauthor of the article, mister Robert Jacobs,

(01:04:11):
when he pushed right before leaving hisoffice that he wanted to examine the
footage, and Man's men got allup at him, was like, this
never took place. Get the hellout of here. The narrator was then
ushered out, leading to over adecade of decadive silence being part of the
UFO cover up. He really ismoving, you know. Leaning on the

(01:04:34):
context of that, I was toldto never talk about something that I witnessed
during my official duties as someone workingon a program that would defend the United
States in deterrence with nuclear weapons.It's the joke's too easy, and unfortunately

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we have to face this fact.The press, while priding itself on investigative
journalism, according to Jacobs, ismostly focused on the small bits of his
story or political scandals Roger, ratherthan looking over the large parts of the
UFO phenomenon. So he feels it'shis duty to put his foot down and

(01:05:27):
say, oh no, you're gonnabeat these credentials. I once served the
Joe Joan Baiaz Festival in nineteen sixtyfour at never mind, okay, let's
go moving on here. I didwant to mention that I actually brought up
the mufon article because that's when itfirst went virally famous, you know,

(01:05:48):
viral famous for the time, butin fact I had to look it up.
Allegedly, according to him, hewent on someone's show called Eureka,
California tonight and said the story tenyears after his event. But it didn't
really lead to much response, asof course the move on data of the

(01:06:09):
National Choir stuff did. But neverthelesshe had people reached out, you know,
about the UFO after that happened.And obviously, you know, I'm
not putting words in this person's mouth, and I'm not assuming for them or
suggesting they're lying or whatever. ButI'm not hate being this guy. But
I'm just gonna say it. Doyou know, like when maybe maybe you

(01:06:33):
don't know this, you never feltthis, and maybe that's good. But
like you wrote a song, youlike you drew a picture. You're like
you did something that you thought someonewould be proud of you at work or
something or whatever, and you didn'tget to vata boy or whatever or the
pad on the back, No,you got well whatever, and then you
turn and tell that same story toa community like ufology. Dude, you

(01:06:56):
didn't get a pat on the back. You've got goddamn put into some sort
of odd like position. Whether wesay that was purposeful or not, it
happened. This story was being echoedto the people that believed it the most
for years before it went viral famous. This is gaining all the information you
need to know, knowing all thedetails, so you don't say the stuff

(01:07:18):
that you probably would have said inthe early days. Now that you are
famous, you know, having anopportunity to scale the story back to the
points of I don't know. There'sa bunch of I don't knows here it
was no, you don't know,we have nothing that could have done this,
and like and whenever I see that, I just know, oh,
they're pandering to a group that isalready supremely interested in UFOs. And so

(01:07:40):
for the first ten years of thisthis happening, this person kind of in
context worked on their UFO story,not literally as they edited the parts in
and out that were good about butlike kind of like learned how to walk
the line of what's acceptable to thepublic versus what's acceptable to the US community.

(01:08:00):
To the UFO community, we knowwhat's acceptable to the public. There's
oftentimes a waving line, but goodgolly, we you know you tell look
what Leslie King did. If youtell them about the goat heads, the
ectoplasm, the hands, the handjobs, and the hot tubs, you
am not gonna get money for theUFOs. I really wish I could stop

(01:08:27):
myself from saying the things that Isay. I'm so sorry, recon god,
damn. By nineteen eighty two,this man felt he needed a much
larger audience, hence the upgrade tothe National Bullshit Magazine. Developments and weaponry

(01:08:51):
and technology during the SDI program andstealth aircraft made the narrative See Connections with
Big Sir film suggesting like the coretheory or belief in euthology is that one
day there was a superhero named JohnJ. Rambo Courso and this guy,

(01:09:14):
you know, back kicking aliens,making his own knife before he goes into
every battle. I mean, whateverit is, he just found all the
alien parts and made all the factsand you know, and it was it
was clear that Hey, with allthe work that's been done on Roswell and
all the things that have been claimedby the time this is all the debunked
and unbelievable I will, you know, have cemented myself in the stinky Anals

(01:09:39):
of euthology. You know, likethat before the Internet time, the only
people doing the real detailed investigations weregetting like no no attention. And I
know today it's still the vast minority, but you see that, like someone
can be debunked pretty good and likeyou know, and it goes much it's
spread around much faster than it usedto be. But you know, before

(01:10:03):
that time, people oftentimes just assumedthat a lot of these cases were true
or never going to be debunked,or they just thought that everyone was working
with the same good faith they were. But in fact, we find out
later that this man's hand wasn't shotoff by aliens while he was fighting with
Delta Force and an underground, deepunderground bunker. This guy didn't go running

(01:10:23):
through the wilderness at night because theywouldn't let him fight, and he was
killing North Vietcong soldiers and Chinese soldierseverywhere NonStop. You know, we just
have that all these people. Youknow, this guy wasn't even an army
meteorologist in charge of multiple ranges thatshot long range weapons when he met these
white, squawking aliens that sounded likeberts, like whatever the story is of

(01:10:44):
the military, the people that theyworked with, they sat with next to
on a fake congressional hearing in frontof the world, telling their stories together,
Like all these military officers got togetherto share their stories, one in
a males from an force base.It's a president, you know, a
new precedence was set for retiree whistleblowers and all. And then they find,
one by one, this guy witha ponytail. It's impossible for him

(01:11:06):
to have got this stupid document froma lieutenant while he was falling asleep on
CQ desk. It was ridiculous foranyone to believe this guy was actually flying
you know, you know, missionsto the moon to put people's death files
on filing cabinet boxes with lear andfriends. Whatever the story is, we
find out that it's bullshit, andthey were sitting next to someone rubbing shoulders

(01:11:27):
woman who was full of shit.Wait are they too, I don't know.
We just saw Ryan Graves go downto the Mexican UFO hearings and then
blame them for pulling off some sortof stunt. Right, it doesn't matter
what story I'm broadly referencing. Evenif you don't get the references. I
promise all those are from real casesto some degree, and they all just

(01:11:48):
fall away to the wayside. Thisguy was at the primetime mid eighties misinformation,
dark shadowy, queifology in the background, Blue Falcon, Buddy Touchers,
whatever the hell you're talking about.Richard Dody, the catastrophe with William Moore
and all his friends and believers,and of course all of this going on

(01:12:11):
when none of these people realized thatthe Internet was gonna come around one day
and we're all gonna easily be ableto see within seconds of one another.
Debunk de bunk, d bunk dbunk. At the time, of course,
it was yeah, let's get somemovie rights. Aster Shaye for BMW.

(01:12:40):
I said, let the boy watchluck my daddy his daddy before him.
All right, I'm sorry, butmy bad. I apologize. I'm
a bad attitude. I apologize.The ship springs a leak. In nineteen
ninety three, Clingston, George Kingston, Clingston, Kingston and George responded with
an article or Skeptical Inquirer, whichpresented a different version of events and what

(01:13:06):
Jacobs had described, and Man's Men, Well Man's Men mostly confirmed Jacob's that's
why off again. You know,like, I'm not saying this is misinformation.
I'm not saying that there's some sortof top down conspiracy or anything,
but I'm saying that Jacob seems likea guy you could just feed some of
this stuff too after what he allegedlysaw, and the next thing, you
know, you have yourself another greatidea that these countermeasures that had to be

(01:13:30):
kept in secret, these capabilities withsignature reduction, with long range of different
fuels, different methods, different launchsites, different means of transportation, blah
blah blah, all of that wouldbe falling under some of the most secretive
work being done at the time.And you know, anyone who goes out
there and pushes that this is noway there's a human could they be right?

(01:13:51):
Sure? But what have we experiencedin the past with these folks.
If they're not outright lying about theirservice or what they're doing, they oftentimes
find themselves embroiled and alive. Theycan't get out of okay. In Night
to ninety three, Kingston George saysnay. According to George, the rocket

(01:14:13):
launch that Jacobs were referring to wascalled Buzzing B and was filmed on September
twenty second, not the fifteenth,till the second of the third. The
event involved the Natlas D, notan FM. Okay, what's wrong again?
That was the only launch of allthe test flights that showed all the
events that Jacob and Mansman described becauseof the day and time it was recorded.
George recalls, the BU telescope recordedsomething unique, but it was not

(01:14:36):
a UFO. It had been ableto record a decoy package deployment that was
traveling in the trajectory with the actualtest warhead. Most importantly, the film
showed that one could tell the differencebetween the decoys in the actual re entry

(01:14:58):
vehicle Kingston. George revealed that thisprompted security regulations to be enforced on film
since what recorded was highly classified.All right, fellas, we gotta go
back down to Vanderberg to process thisfilm. First, let's stop off and
say hi to Bobby Dylan. Hey, Bob, let's talk to the beat

(01:15:21):
Knicks for a little bit. Iwant to be one one day. Can't
wait to get out. And herewe go, and then these men in
gray are suddenly interfering with this.Just good, pure soul, just folk
music, love and individual. Imean, what the heck I mean,
they just these are the guys,not me, These are the guys.
These are the guys that are coveringit all up. I suggest one of

(01:15:45):
the best things to do is toactually raise attention on a topic. Raise
attention. In order to obscure andhide something, you raise attention on it.
This is the thing that George Knappis completely full of shit on his
entire care. If they wanted to, if they wanted to hide area fifty
one, then they wouldn't have doneall this denying and black or they wouldn't

(01:16:08):
you know whatever they he would say, because constant assertion that you know,
it's only raised attention by denying allthese things. The fact of the matter
is that when you raise attention forsomething that's classified needs to remain classified for
military purposes, you actually are ableto secure land around the site and prevent
people from filming it. You're actuallyable to add layers of security. In
politics, like before it even getsanywhere near the public, there's a layer

(01:16:31):
a new committee. There needs tobe a committee for everything. There needs
to be a new committee with regulatoryand US and Superior Command authority over all
these other military there needs to bethis uxtra layer and U and so we
have ours. Give me one secondrecount. All right, guys, thank

(01:17:44):
you, Sorry about that. Now, Cash would not stop. That was
about the I don't know how manyfreaking times that I had to stop the
show. He must be hearing thingsout the window because he will not stop
barking. Oh God, damn morning. All right, Uh, Cora,
don't you start to please cheprass crow. Anyways, back to the article.
Omitting the technical details. I don'tevenmember where I was. If I apologize

(01:18:06):
what I was even saying, Icompletely forgot. I pologized to jump right
back in there emitting the technical details. God, dude, what you just
said is one of the most insanelyidiotic things I have ever heard. At

(01:18:30):
no point in your rambling, incoherentresponse were you even close to anything that
could be considered a rational thought.Everyone in this room is now dumber for
having listened to it. God havemercy on your soul. Sorry about that,

(01:18:54):
My bad. I am losing Iwhenever there's a shotgun, shotgun like
decibel level dog bark with my brokenears, it just puts me into this
like you know, messed up thing. And my dog. The dogs now
bark all the time at everything.That's what they do now. All the
time they developed this barking that isthat is never gonna go away. Now,
I'm gonna listen to random gunshot levelbarks at any random time in my

(01:19:20):
life now the rest of my days. I love those dogs, but I'm
going crazy. Okay, moving onemitting the technical details that had happened on
Buzzing B was the that two decoyswere fired off by small rocket charges on

(01:19:41):
schedule, but some of the decoypackaging material also tailed along and could be
seen optically and also by certain kindsof radar. A little cloud of debris
around each decoy warhead clearly gave awaythe false status almost as it, as
well as coloring the decoy's bright red. This of course, led to more

(01:20:04):
than a little consternation at Sack headquartersand in higher military circles, although correctible
by redesign. The alarm in theminds of the strategic analysis was that the
Soviets could defeat our ICBM decoys byusing a few telescopes on a mountain peak

(01:20:25):
and the USSR and relaying information onwhich objects were decoys to the soviets ICBM
Defense Command Center. Let me letme catch you up with that. If
you're not aware. Van der BergAir Force Base recall looking at the presentation
I just put up a little whileago. VanderBurg Air Force Base is some
three hours down the coast. Willaround. You can't go down apparently root
one. I don't know right now, but it is some three hours down

(01:20:46):
the coast. Right. So youhave yourself a site set up where you
can watch a launch and learn atechnique in order to identify the real warhead.
So at the time of an comingmissile, you don't have to scramble
and shoot seventy different rounds or waitfifty five years or something like the multikill

(01:21:08):
vehicle to start being produced. Youidentify clearly what is and what isn't a
warhead. Hence the development of decoys. It looked like warheads. Hence one
missile would open up, the conewould open up, and it'd be forty
freaking warheads inside, or at leasttwo or three of them, and most
of them are decoys. This wasthe early development of it. What do
you know a person who has informationthat would be of crucial intelligence towards our

(01:21:34):
adversaries or even a rogue counterintelligence personfrom either nation or even the military complex
itself back then has information on thatthat could be trouble, big trouble,
and what do you know? Acampaign ensues, firstly, nightly local acts
of stuff and the National Acquirer movefun Omni magazine sensationalized type of and kind

(01:22:00):
of the whittling away and a missionof all details that are important. The
second investigators reached some of his cohorts, though we find it's a very different
story as I might expect, orI'm sorry, as might be expected.
The military reaction came swiftly. Everyonewho was at the telescope site or had

(01:22:23):
seen the film had to be identified. All, including Jacobs and myself,
had to be questioned on what theyhad seen and what they had thought it
meant. Each was cautioned not tomention what was on the film to anyone,
and not to discuss it with others, even fellow workers who had originally

(01:22:45):
seen at the same time. Noneof us had more than a guess at
the meaning, and the civilian intelligenceexperts who did the debriefing gave us no
hint as to what they were talkingabout. Weeks later, my clearance level
was increased to allow me to seethe films again and analyze them. I
don't think Jacob's ever gained their acquiredclearance. The people later assigned to operate

(01:23:05):
the equipment and carry the films aroundwere subsequently cleared to required level. The
top secret film was marked for downgradingand declassification after twelve years, but its
utility was over after a few months. Top secret storage is too difficult and
expensive for keeping items of dubious worth, and the film and related materials were

(01:23:27):
all destroyed along long before the twelveyears were up. As for Jacob's claims
that the event was all pre arrangedby the BU telescope to be there so
it could witness this event of analien interfering with a dummy warred Kingston George
found it very unlikely. He recalledthat it took a lot of effort to
get the scope there in the firstplace, and there seemed to be little

(01:23:50):
cooperation helped to accomplish the task.Quote my supervisor at the time, Gene
Clary, and I would have beenthrilled to have had any kind of support
from anywhere in the government. Thetruth is getting permission to use the National
Forest site, arranging air to groundtransportation and finding fifty thousand dollars to pay
the air freight, and attending amyriad of other physical and monetary obstacles.

(01:24:14):
Attending two monetary obsticles took us abetter part of nine months to accomplish this
task. Yeah Military. On afinal note, Kingston George pointed out that
there was no UFO and admission wasa success with no loss of re entry
vehicle using using the decoys and abunch of other things. And who knows

(01:24:36):
what early decoys look like? Truly, who knows what the early We know
what they ended up looking like.We know what they looked like in the
in the height of the Cold War, we know what the artist's impressions of
things was going to look like.While Jacobs was telling a story, but
the one of the one of thehardest parts for me to get over in

(01:24:56):
this topic, because I've had weirdenough experiences that I'm here for good.
But is when people already take asubject like UFOs, which is dominated supremely
by a lack of clear of clarity, a lack of information, and they
add another layer to it, makingit now two one known somehow equal intimate

(01:25:21):
knowledge. And it's beyond frustrating becauseit forever puts in the mind of the
public, or at least people interestedin the field. Are these people that
use hashtags or call senators and congresspeople and stuff over the topic. Make
it seem like there is this linethat no, no, no, we
know there's this massive cover up.There are these people out there that gave

(01:25:44):
up their lives after all. Jacobswould go on for years talking with the
harassment people, calling about all thevoices he would do on camera. I
used to get called up and say, when the rockets, I don't even
remember the kind I wish I hadthat video lined up right now. That'd
be great. I can't even rememberwhat it was. When the rockets come

(01:26:04):
up, they go down, motherfucker, or something like that. He said
that on camera. Uh, it'sit's it's it's it to me. It
speaks of someone who essentially is wellaware that they don't know the topic already
that I don't know how to sayit. I don't. I personally don't
believe that he was changed by whathe saw that day. I think he

(01:26:24):
was already into the topic. Ithink his pictures of all his goofy badges,
looking like he just got through seventours of Vietnam tell a story.
He was looking like one of thosehippies of the day that was ready to
show you with his cool military jacket, just how much he's against it even
though he was in it. Butwasn't a combat soldier, was a camera

(01:26:45):
person. People traditionally into photography arenever mind Okay, he uh, you
know, he he. I thinkthis guy was into the topic and this
gave him the authority that that personalauthority. He's being told to cover something
up. Do you think the publicgives a shit that the government's asking soldiers

(01:27:08):
and service people or whatnot to nottalk about the development of countermeasures, not
talk about new technology, only defensebeat Really, no one really cares in
a large degree what happens if,though, if you tell him that you
were involved with the cover up ofwhat could only be aliens. I mean,
I guess you could say the publicdoesn't care about that either, and

(01:27:29):
so on a larger scale. Butbut what you have essentially is, you
know, the ability to make amarket and dominate it, and that's what
he did, you know. Ofcourse, we can get into deeper parts
here. We're going to a littlebit as well. Scroll back here for
a second. Okay, so rememberthat's the that's a real capture. A
little bit later, Nikezu's system shootingand icbm N of the air. And

(01:27:51):
this is what they show on everyshow he's ever appeared on. Okay,
they show this. This is astill, of course, but they show
this little object here. Now it'squite similar, right, Like you see
a translucent white, you know,lodging propane tank looking thing. So they

(01:28:15):
got that right, I mean,it's a missile launch that that dot is
the missile. You can't really seethat. I mean, of course,
if they're zoomed in real close,you'd see it. But again, let's
flash to how he helped the investigatorsunderstand what he was looking at through his
bu of U finder. I lovethis par I love disappointing people, but
I also I hate being this guy. But okay, does that look anything

(01:28:57):
like the animation that's still from theanima? It doesn't. It doesn't even
look effing close. It doesn't evenlook fing close. And when you repeat,
when you go on programs on repeatfor years suggesting you've been harassed for

(01:29:21):
being a truth tellent, don't knowthe truth, you know, suggesting that
there you've been asked to be apart of this cover up. I mean,
like literally, you go around tellingpeople that you are a part of
the cover up. You are notallowed to say that these people are lying
about something, even if they're caughtlying, because you are literally a part

(01:29:41):
of it. Me, Robert Jacobswas a part of it. You can't
tell me, phil Class that thesepeople are lying because I was a part
of it. But was he reallyWas Richard Dodie really covering up alien technology?
I don't know. Christian Lambright believeshe was, or at least is
open to the idea. I don'tthink so. I think I think it's

(01:30:02):
far far more to do with clandestineyou know, the drones and stuff like
that, in early development of systemsthat you know, would have no real
value to the military at the timeand unless they were optimized and fine.
But but much later, twenty thirtyyears later, we'd see these things come
back out and use it in alltypes of new way, new propulsion,
new materials, new missions, andwhat do you know, Like Dodie's interaction

(01:30:26):
was at the height of the developmentof some of these systems and so I
don't know, but maybe and Ilike to get weird with this sometime,
maybe even some direct energy stuff.But I can't say that's true. But
you know, it's that classic caseof context manipulation and lead you down a
path of you know, it's it'sbetter to be safe with me and defend
the good, honest moral position thanit is to be a boot liquor shill

(01:30:53):
because you weren't there. I wasthere, I saw it on film.
You weren't there. He said thosewords thirty years after the investigation that proved
what he was looking at was nothinglike what he described. He continued to
say those words. Who do youbelieve, morally speaking, is working for

(01:31:18):
the public's you know, awareness,they're truth like what they actually know?
Who's actually working on I always askpeople this is a test, and I'm
not a super fan of either,although I do like one over the other
far more. Who do you thinkhas provided more clarity on the UFO topic
for the public at large today,Luel Azondo or Mick West, Because if

(01:31:43):
you suggest that Luele Azondo has,you'd be one of the people that don't
recognize the difference between clarity details.Reviewing critique of evidence, and then the
other side of the loose side,which is pushing ambiguous hope and titillation and
using motive, using non supported youknow, motivating, cohercion, coercion,

(01:32:08):
coercion and other factors to get peopleto do things. Mick West has actually
to provide videos detailed analysis of whathe's doing. At metabug dot com.
You can go see literal explanations ofthings and the best guest, best review,
best evidence, best detailed investigation analysisand what it may be if it's
not, if it's not an alienthing, it must be this balloon,

(01:32:30):
whatever it is. Who has donemore for the community? I suggest the
person that seemingly is the debunker isdoing far more from the community because they're
not omitting facts and details. They'readding as much as they can to what's
been claimed. So how is itthat we can respect a guy that,
twenty years after the known omission ofall this information made it became known by

(01:32:56):
his coworkers at the time, hisbattle buddies over there is still saying those
that is what's called misinformation, that'swhat's called an anchor around the ankle.
Be it profits personal reasons, He'san egomaniac, I don't care. In
my opinion, it's safe to saythis person is doing nothing. That's spreading
misinformation, and the only person thatis benefiting from that misinformation other than the

(01:33:16):
missile program that he worked on,is himself. If I'm wrong about that,
I apologize. I never mean tobe just some blind you know,
can't I just constant suspension of Imean, I'm constantly disbelieve. But when
you look at just the basic detailsof what he claimed versus what we know

(01:33:36):
because it's been all these years later, these are declassified videos, you know,
These are declassified documentaries in the developmentor countermeasures for ICBMs, all that
stuff what we see today in promovideos from manufacturers who can produce the best
decoys, the best pen aids,the best warheads. It's all out there.

(01:33:58):
He didn't know that was gonna behappen. He didn't know there was
going to be a YouTube. Hedidn't know you got to YouTube and see
this exact thing. This guy.You know, I have to ask the
people, why is it that skepticsare so hated and so you know,
avoided when it's clear that the skepticis, like, I'm interested enough in
this topic that I'm actually going todo the labor. But yet someone like

(01:34:23):
him willingly spreading misinformation is considered asaint, supported by endless amounts of people
that believe he is one of manyof those that are holding the torch and
keeping this. You know, conspiracyof the government is bad. They got

(01:34:44):
the secrets and they're not given tous up and going, I'm sorry.
I don't put any faith in Louilsandawhatsoever because it's absurd and it's extremely naive
to do so, I don't putfaith in anything. Well that's not true,
but I will say people like loucarry the torch, just like this
book deals possible movies, documentaries.Who is he benefiting by adding extra lased

(01:35:09):
security while pretending to try to getdisclosure. It's like programs like this.
It's like the stain that I knowthis is all it's all over. But
you think of what happened in twothousand and four in the subsequent investigation by
the alleged asap A Tips split crewlike the Border, there you find yourself
in a very similar situation to RobertJacobs in nineteen sixty four. And then,

(01:35:31):
of course when the story came out. It comes out twenty years later.
The story is whittled down to thesemagical like facts. When you get
into it, it's fucking about radar, it's about fast moving missiles, and
it's about the people that misidentified theobject that makes them saints and heroes and
should be awarded with monetary appreciation,their lives taken care of forever. They

(01:35:55):
should be. They should literally spendtheir days they working around the world,
but really vacationing this. It's beyondfrustrating that these people are celebrated. If
you'd like to see more information aboutthis, and I've inspired any curiosity,
please look in the original investigations,not just my disbelief over what the guy's
claim, because of what's impossible.You can't fucking see a goddamn missile moving

(01:36:17):
that fast with the naked eye tto be you viewfinder, and also see
a clear image of a flying saucer. It's impossible, it cannot happen,
and it did not happen. It'stechnically impossible. Not the saucer who cares
about that claim about what the cameraand the telescope was able to do and
what humans were doing at the time. In my mind. This story is

(01:36:40):
nothing more than a funny tagline abouthim insulting Bill Nye and Phil klast can
kiss my ass and whatnot. It'sin the bin with the other highly suspicious
red flag cases of the day.These people never thought the Internet was gonna
be there. They never thought theywere to be able to easily review their
claims made and the emission of allthis stuff that should have been in the

(01:37:00):
original story. Ladies and gens,boys and girls, cats and kittens.
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(01:37:23):
in describing all like good jazz,I am not saying aliens are not here.
Do you understand that? Help thepeople that don't get that, because
you can have I witness weird stuffand I think there could be something going
on feelings while also looking into thewords of other people and seeing that they

(01:37:44):
lied. But it doesn't take awayfrom your own experience. So therefore,
me critiquing a story about Robert Jacobsisn't taking away from your experience. So
stop pretending that me being critical oversomething someone claimed from the eighties is saying
aliens aren't here, big babies,But I love you ladies and gunmen,
boys and girls, cats and kids. Pushing the pompuppies, I gotta goe
out of here. Do me amassive favor. Look for things how they

(01:38:05):
actually are versus how they appear tobe, and of course keep it weird
and keep your third eye field Ricon, Hey, Ricon, you're not gonna

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