February 21, 2024 • 20 mins
After listening to this episode, you will most likely notice the word Vibe. Either hearing it, seeing it on shirts or signage . . . everything will be reminding you about The Vibe. And that's a great thing!
Jason DelGandio has been studying the exchange of energy for nearly 30 years. He's a PhD, an author, a presenter, and an award-winning teacher.
Is Good Vibes Only really in our best interest . . . ?
For his doctoral work, DelGandio developed his own philosophy of the vibe, referred to as "bodily emanation."
He defines vibes in two ways: The exchange of energy between you and the world, and a communicative dynamic involving a variety of affective experiences (emotion, mood, feeling, vocal expression, body language, physical presence, and psychological outlook).
Discover how and why you are vibing each day. Learn why it's important to take the time to define and understand the phenomenon.
Tapping into the vibe helps modulate feelings, moods, and emotions. It helps in relationships, and connects a deeper connection to Self.
20MinuteVibe.com
jasondelgandio.net
20minvibe.teachable.com
Find Jason on Facebook, LinkedIn, YouTube, and InstaGram.
Jason DelGandio has been studying the exchange of energy for nearly 30 years. He's a PhD, an author, a presenter, and an award-winning teacher.
Is Good Vibes Only really in our best interest . . . ?
For his doctoral work, DelGandio developed his own philosophy of the vibe, referred to as "bodily emanation."
He defines vibes in two ways: The exchange of energy between you and the world, and a communicative dynamic involving a variety of affective experiences (emotion, mood, feeling, vocal expression, body language, physical presence, and psychological outlook).
Discover how and why you are vibing each day. Learn why it's important to take the time to define and understand the phenomenon.
Tapping into the vibe helps modulate feelings, moods, and emotions. It helps in relationships, and connects a deeper connection to Self.
20MinuteVibe.com
jasondelgandio.net
20minvibe.teachable.com
Find Jason on Facebook, LinkedIn, YouTube, and InstaGram.
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(00:00):
Try to be more aware of yourbody right, your body in space,
how you are feeling, etc.Be more aware of your surroundings, what's
happening around you, who are thepeople, how are things located and arrange,
etc. And then from there it'llhelp you be more in touch with
the energy you're giving off, withthe energy that people are giving off,
and you can tap into them.Stranger Connections is the embodiment of Lisa david
(00:21):
Olson's perspective of we're all just friendswho just simply haven't met yet. It's
an exploration of the weirdly wonderful sideof life and a look at the single
commonality we have with each other,our differences. Slip off your shoes,
pour a cup of your favorite andlet's meet this week's barrel of quirks.
Welcome to Stranger Connections, where Icelebrate wonderfully weird people and quirky stories.
(00:45):
I'm your curious beast and post Lisadavid Olson, the practically world famous business
humorist, interactive speaker and speaker trainer. So reach out if you want me
to help reignite your team or event, or you want to start your journey
to the ted X stage well youmay have heard the word vibe, you
know, v like victor, vibeto vibe. It's a noun defined as
(01:10):
the exchange of energy between you andthe world. But that's not enough.
I need to know more. Pleasewelcome Jason del gandio A Lisa, how
are you doing good? I sawyour stuff and I'm like, I need
to know more about his stuff,which is the twenty minute vibe. So
I'm gonna ask you my Lisa likequestions, which is so, what you
(01:33):
some kind of hippie or what?Perhaps so you know, I might have
a little hippie in me. Iwouldn't classify myself as a hippie, but
I'm very comfortable on hippies. Havingsaid that, though, I think that
the experience of the vibe is allaround us. It's not just relevant to
relevant to hippies. So, forinstance, you are a comedian, you
(01:56):
are a performer, and I wouldassume that when you are on stage,
you are tuned to the energy ofthe audience. It's what drives your perform
great example, right, it drivesyour charisma, And I would say that's
true for athletes, for musicians,for public speakers, et cetera. Right,
And So although in our society wetend to associate the word vibe with
hippies, which I understand why,I think it's much more, it's much
(02:21):
to our widespread than that. Infact, I would invite your listeners for
the next week or so to takenotice of how often they either use the
word vibe or they hear the wordvibe, and I guarantee within a week's
a week of time, they'll beshocked and surprised how often they come across
the word wow. Okay, sohere in the Midwest, that's like seeing
white tailed deer, the deer runningaway from you. So now we're gonna
(02:43):
exchange that with the word vibe.And so is it related at all?
Is a vibe related at all toadrenaline or being excited? I would say
it's related, but not the samething. So I'm a scholar, I'm
a thinker, I'm an intellectual,I'm a philosopher, and I take the
(03:05):
vibe as a site of intellectual investigation, right, And so for me,
I want to categorize the vibe asits own phenomenon and as its own experience.
And so we can think of thehuman being, the human experience as
involving a variety of effective experiences affectedwith an A right, So motion,
psychology, adrenaline, nonverbal communication ofvocalics, parallelinguistics, not what you say
(03:29):
but how you say it. Butalso this other thing that we call the
vibe. So, as you saidearlier, the exchange of energy between you
and other people. Now, ofcourse the question comes, what do you
mean by this word energy? Becausethat can mean all kinds of things,
right, So for instance, isthis energy physical or metaphysical? Is it
material or immaterial? Is it spiritualor scientific? Or perhaps just all these
(03:52):
things. And so although I offerup a definition, I don't want to
use just one paradigm to understand thisbecause we're all different human beings, we
all have different experiences, and soI try to invite people to access this
thing they call the vibe, andwhatever way they see fits. So just
to be aware is the first step. And you have a fantastic website and
(04:14):
it's all around the twenty minute vibe. So what would one do with a
twenty minute vibe? That sounds exhausting? It sounds like I have to do
something like jogging. The reason whyit's called the twenty minute vibe is that
most people don't have time to studythe vibe, you know, for years
(04:34):
and years and years and decades,and so I'm offering up short bursts of
information that's accessible, that is manageable. So, for instance, spend twenty
minutes a day thinking about the vibeand experiencing the vibe as opposed to twenty
years or thirty years or twelve hoursa day, et cetera. So I'm
essentially offering up vibe related content andvery accessible chunks of information. And it's
(04:56):
really geared towards those who are intellectuallycurious and who are progressed minded, so
they're interested in this thing we callthe vibe. Yeah, and I think
it sounds to me like you've doneall the hard work. We get to
just go, Oh, I'm goingto dip a toe in here, because
I know there's a lot on yourwebsite. There's courses we can take.
There's different blogs that I don't knowif you call it a blog, but
you have different writings and there's somevery interesting writing in there. And one
(05:20):
of them, one of the essaysI found it states this, I'm going
to read it back to you.Look at any playground and the evidence is
obvious. From an early age,we start badgering each other to dress,
act and talk in a very specificway. Falling out of line invites ridicule
and outcasting. God forbid if Marylikes short hair or Johnny likes Barbie Dolls.
(05:44):
At some point it just becomes easierto give in, just follow the
norm, even if the norm deadends your soul. Wow. So you're
really saying, be your unique self. And for me that's being creative too,
and saying as school goes on andwe learn we have to color inside
the lines or one in one istwo not eleven, or bunny ears or
(06:06):
peace. It sounds aligned like that. It's about exploring, right, yes,
one hundred percent. Yeah. SoI'm very much a proponent and advocate
of being yourself, being your twoinner self, being your authentic self.
And I think that itself brings withit its own kind of energy and some
kind of vibe, at least formyself, and I would assume for many
(06:28):
other people that when you encounter someonewho is truly authentically them right, it's
kind of an invitation. It's uplifting, it's refreshing, and I like people
who are authentic with themselves make mefeel at ease and so on. And
I think that's also part of thevibe itself, that if you follow your
own kind of vibe flow, forinstance, you find a way of really
(06:50):
evoking who you are, you're beingin the moment, you're bringing present to
yourself as to the world around you, And that itself is very uplifting,
positive experience. And so how dowe tap more into this and make it
a daily practice. There's a questioneveryone asks, and it's actually it's not
(07:10):
as easy to answer as one wouldthink, especially if I've been studies for
thirty years. However, having saidthat, the basic way I would explain
is that number one, try tobe more aware of your body, right,
your body in space, how youare feeling, etc. Right.
Then number two, be more awareof your surroundings, right, what's happening
around you, who are the people, how are things located and arrange,
(07:31):
etc. And then from there it'llhelp you be more in touch with the
energy you're giving off, with theenergy that people are giving off, and
you can tap into them. Andso again I'll use you as as an
example here. When you're on stage, you have to be aware of your
body, you have to be awareof your audience and then somewhere in between
there you have to negotiate and navigatethat playing field, right, And I
(07:53):
think that is kind of the exchangeof energy that we're talking about, and
to a further extend that, I'msure you've heard this before as a performer,
but you know, we're all performanceon a stage all the time,
right, whether you're action on astage, or you are teaching, or
you're at the grocery store, waitingonline, whatever the case is, in
some way, you're always playing outsome kind of script in your mind relative
(08:13):
to our society, to our culture, to expectations, et cetera. Right,
And so the ViBe's helping us tofurther along that whole process, but
hopefully in a way that's more freeingand more enjoyable. Oh I like that
a lot, and it makes itokay to explore that and not just be
for one, yes, we're inthe moment, but also digging deeper and
allowing to go. But why doesit feel like this? Or why am
(08:37):
I attracted to go talk to thatperson at the party? And you know,
why am I motiating towards these people? I think that's what I was
picturing when you were saying this aboutbeing aware of your surroundings, I'm picturing
that there's sometimes the opposite. Imight be at a store and I immediately
have to leave. I can't tellyou why. I don't know if anybody
else has that. You get overwhelmedor I don't know what it is.
(09:00):
All of a sudden, I'm justlike, I'm out, you know,
And it must be the what wouldbe the opposite word of vibe? Then,
well, all that is a vibe, right, so you can have
So there's comments saying in our societywhere good vibes only, but that's not
really the reality of it. Right. You have good vibes, you have
bad vibes, you have chill vibes, you have ugly vibes. You have
(09:20):
a million different kinds of vibes,right, And so the more you tune
yourself to this thing we call thevibe, you start to distinguish between different
kinds of vibes. Right again,going back to being a performer, you
know when an audience is into it. You know when audience is not into
it. You know when they're they'rethere to listen to every word or they're
tuned out and they're just there's theydon't care what you have to say,
right, and in that moment thatyou have to adjust your performance to account
(09:43):
for that. Excellent, excellent,I can I can dig it. I
can understand that. Now you saidyou've been studying this and researching for thirty
years. Tell me more about thatin your background and and how this is
what you landed on. Yeah,So first, I I do want to
laugh at myself, excit. Ido take this seriously, but I also
(10:03):
recognize kind of the strangeness of itto kind of use the language of the
show here, right, Not alot of people study the vibe, right,
So for me, in my lateteens, I got involved with all
kinds of underground sceness, the ravescene, jam bands, underground house parties,
all that kind of stuff, andeveryone, including myself, was using
this word a vibe to describe theirexperiences. But at some point I realized
(10:26):
that none of us were actually definingSo I took literally, at the age
about nineteen or so, I tookan intellectual interest in this thing we call
the vibe. Then I wrote myfirst paper on the vibe in a college
class on nonverbal communication. Then Iwent to graduate school and used both my
master's thesis and my doctoral gestation towrite about the vibe. And then flash
forward many decades later, and herewe are on your show talking about the
(10:48):
vibe and how do you use thisin your daily day to day work?
Is this how you survive? Isthis paying the mortgage? Well? Yes
and no. So I'm a collegeprofessor at Temple University in Philadelphia, and
at Temple, my major area ofemphasis is the theory and practice of social
(11:11):
justice. So I study activism andsocial movements. That's what my classes are
about. Things like that, myvibe stuff that is kind of outside of
Temple. It's kind of my ownpersonal interest over my adult life, and
although I am expert on it,it's not really part of my expertise at
Temple. Having said that, thoughI do give talks, I do teach
classes outside of Temple, et cetera. That makes a few bucks, but
it's not exactly paying the bills.Will say that, body right, It's
(11:33):
kind of like being a performer sometimesor an actor, where it's what you
do, it's your passion, doesn'tnecessarily pay the bills, but it's part
of your life. Yes, yeah, you just describe me heck, yeah,
I'm a speaker, but believe me, I'm working the nine to five.
It's more like an eight to four. But yeah, you know people
would say that to me. Whydon't you just why don't you just speak
(11:54):
full time? Yeah? Why don'tyou tell me what to do? For
one? But also, hello,I'm glad I didn't just go yeah,
I'm going to do it. I'mall in. So but then, what
are you doing besides I mean,you are definitely book smart and way into
it, and now you took allyour learnings. You're a professor, obviously
everything surrounds that. But what areyou doing for fun? What makes you
(12:18):
just throw caution into the wind anddo something for fun? I love music,
I love live music. I lovecamping and being in nature in the
woods. I'm a big sports fan, and particularly a football fan. I
love hanging out with my friends,drinking a few beers, busting chops and
laughing and stuff like that. Soyeah, I like thinking of myself as
(12:41):
a well rounded person, although I'mvery much an intellectual and I take that
stuff seriously. At the same time, though, if you met me in
a bar, you'd probably never thinkI was a professor. That's fun.
I like that. And also onyour website there's a lot of talk about
the band Fish. Why why,no reason. I'm not against Fish,
They're awesome. I've been a lifelongfan of Fish, I really since my
(13:07):
late teens. Again, they werea part of the experience of me helping
understand the vibe. Fish has avery dedicated following. Their music is very
improvisational, and I think with improvisationalmusic, although or improv in general,
it brings with it a certain kindof energy and vibe. In the words,
you are present in the moment whenyou improv, right, and that
(13:28):
evokes a certain kind of connection betweenyou and your listeners or your audience or
other people, and that kind oflet's say, performing stalts, so to
speak. I think it's very,very evocative, and it's very intriguing to
me. I like being in themoment with other people. I like that
a lot. And does this meanthat you're also following Fish? Are you
(13:50):
a fish head? Is that whatthey would be like? Like? So?
Yes, I yes, I wouldbe a fishead. Yes. So
we back in the day there wasdead Heads, and I used to still
our dead Heads and nowadays they're afish head. Actually, I was at
a there's a branch of study calledfish Studies where it's academics who study the
Bandfish. Right. Oh wow,Yeah. The first conference on fish was
(14:11):
back in twenty nineteen May of twentynineteen, and there's actually another fish Studies
conference coming up this May, whichI'll be attending as well, out in
Oregon. And have you met anyof them? Do they know that they
matter so much to a lot ofyour work and your studies. Oh you
mean the Bandfish, the band Yeah? Oh no, No, No,
I've not met the band. No, perhaps one day, I don't know.
(14:33):
That would be a dream coming true. But I have not met them
in person. No, that isnot happens. All I got to do
is email. It's magic. Igot you, I got you here.
I tell you. You tell yourpeople to get in touch with their people
and their people get touch my people, and we'll have a big party.
Well, let's talk a little bitabout the courses that you offer. There's
a few different things. People cango to your website, the twenty minute
(14:56):
Vibe dot com and check out somedifferent courses. So currently I have two
courses up, all the more comingin the future. My first course was
entitled what is the Vibe and introduction. It's about two hours long, and
I just kind of walk through myown philosophy of the vibe, what it
is, how to define it,how do other people talk about the vibe?
(15:18):
There was we're surrounded by vibe talkall the time, and trying to
delineate what people are talking about.I go through different kind of traditions,
look at it from my spiritual side, look at it from a scientific side,
et cetera, and hopefully people willwalk away with a more expansive and
also a deeper understanding of the vibe. Then the second course I have up
there that I just posted, Ibelieve over the summer. It's about sports
(15:41):
in the Vibe. So I wastrying to look for a topic that is
more accessible to a wider audience,and I thought sports would be a great
experience. So, for instance,it's the bottom of the fourth quarter,
you're down by a touchdown, eightthousand fans are screaming, and you feel
the electricity in the stadium. RightSo in the sports vibes, in the
words, how do we as fansunderstand the experience of the vibe or energy
(16:03):
and watching our teams cheing for ourteams, et cetera, but also the
experience for a coach, the experiencefor an athlete relative to peak performance,
being in the zone, and soon. Have you had anybody give feedback
that they've taken your course or justtapped into it more and how that might
have changed something that they thought,you know, whether it be sports or
(16:25):
not, but anything that any kindof feedback that somebody could give as an
example of how it helped them ormade a difference. I would say the
general feedback is usually that they neverreally thought this deeply about the vibe,
right. Most people just use itas a catchphrase like and it's like almost
like a catchphrase or metaphor for emotionor a feeling. But then once you
(16:48):
stop and actually think about the vibekind of opens up your own experience.
You can start to put words andideas to your own feelings in the words.
You have now a language to understandyour experience of the world. Well
said, and I'll say it againtwenty minute vibe dot com. Check him
out. And before I let yougo, Jason, I need to know
if you have a dare or aprank story one you've done or had done
(17:11):
to you. So this relates backto me being a sports fan and enjoying
sports and whatnot. So I havea tattoo my back shoulder of the logo
of the Philadelphia Eagles, which isthe football team in the NFL. Now,
the catch is that I'm a NewYork Giants fan. So I'm a
diar Giants fan, and the Giantsand Egos are arch enemies. And essentially
(17:33):
the long story short is I losta bet. So a few years back,
I think it was summer of twentyseventeen, I was hanging with my
buddy, Michael and I were havinga few beers hanging out, and he's
an Eagles fan. He's talking allkinds of smack about how the Eagle's gonna
win the Super Bowl. I say, look, i'll tell you what,
if the Eagles win the Super Bowl, I'll get a tattoo the Eagles on
myself. And he had no skinin the game. I didn't say,
well, if they lose or anything, he has to get tattoo. And
(17:56):
I was like, there's no waythey're gonna win Super Bowl. That year
they start off I think ten andone or eleven and one, the Eagles
and I'm like, I can't believethis is happening. Now they're starting quarterback
though, got hurted. They bleddhis knee, so I'm like, oh
great, I'm texting him. I'mmaking fun of him. I got this
something in the clear. The backupquarterback comes in, they go on a
playoff, they got on a playoffrun, and they win the Super Bowl.
(18:17):
And now I have a tattoo onmy body of the team I hate
the most in the NFL. Andit wasn't even a money thing. It
was just you were talking smack rightexactly. Yeah he was. He was
so confident they were to win thesuper Bowl. And again, this is
two months before the season starts.I'm like, there's no way to win
in the super Bowl. No onethought they were winning Super Bowl. They
weren't Eve suposed to win the division. And then I personally got on my
(18:40):
back shoulder. So I don't haveto see it every day, but now
during this and I forget I haveit. In the summertime out the beach,
though, people say, hey goEagles, go birds love your tattoo.
So I'm basically I'm like the scarletletter here, like I have this
thing on my body that I hate. And if you ever covered it up,
would that make you not holding out? I'm what you promised that you
would do well. At this point, it's been what three, about six
(19:04):
or seventy year, So at thispoint I'm like, well, can I
let this go? Can I getit removed or do something with this?
I mean it's I've paid my dues. I was honest. I held by
my bets. But it might betime to go with this tattoo. Yes,
I agree, it might be timeto move on. And it does
cover your entire back, is whatI'm Oh, no, no it's not
out. Oh no, no it'snot. But you can see it though,
(19:26):
Like it's not that small. Likeif you walk by and I don't
have our shirt on, you willsee it. Yeah, if you've got
strangers walking by with sports analogies justbecause they saw you, Yeah, it's
big enough to be seen across thebeach. Wow. That is a really
great story. You were so interestingand I just I'm honored to have had
you as a guest. Jason delGandhio. And remember we can only meet
(19:48):
strangers once and then I invite youto stay weird. I appreciate that you
too. This has been stranger connectionswith Lisa David Wilson, but at ab Alto
Try to be more aware of yourbody right, your body in space,
how you are feeling, etc.Be more aware of your surroundings, what's
happening around you, who are thepeople, how are things located and arrange,
etc. And then from there it'llhelp you be more in touch with
the energy you're giving off, withthe energy that people are giving off,
and you can tap into them.Stranger Connections is the embodiment of Lisa david
(00:21):
Olson's perspective of we're all just friendswho just simply haven't met yet. It's
an exploration of the weirdly wonderful sideof life and a look at the single
commonality we have with each other,our differences. Slip off your shoes,
pour a cup of your favorite andlet's meet this week's barrel of quirks.
Welcome to Stranger Connections, where Icelebrate wonderfully weird people and quirky stories.
(00:45):
I'm your curious beast and post Lisadavid Olson, the practically world famous business
humorist, interactive speaker and speaker trainer. So reach out if you want me
to help reignite your team or event, or you want to start your journey
to the ted X stage well youmay have heard the word vibe, you
know, v like victor, vibeto vibe. It's a noun defined as
(01:10):
the exchange of energy between you andthe world. But that's not enough.
I need to know more. Pleasewelcome Jason del gandio A Lisa, how
are you doing good? I sawyour stuff and I'm like, I need
to know more about his stuff,which is the twenty minute vibe. So
I'm gonna ask you my Lisa likequestions, which is so, what you
(01:33):
some kind of hippie or what?Perhaps so you know, I might have
a little hippie in me. Iwouldn't classify myself as a hippie, but
I'm very comfortable on hippies. Havingsaid that, though, I think that
the experience of the vibe is allaround us. It's not just relevant to
relevant to hippies. So, forinstance, you are a comedian, you
(01:56):
are a performer, and I wouldassume that when you are on stage,
you are tuned to the energy ofthe audience. It's what drives your perform
great example, right, it drivesyour charisma, And I would say that's
true for athletes, for musicians,for public speakers, et cetera. Right,
And So although in our society wetend to associate the word vibe with
hippies, which I understand why,I think it's much more, it's much
(02:21):
to our widespread than that. Infact, I would invite your listeners for
the next week or so to takenotice of how often they either use the
word vibe or they hear the wordvibe, and I guarantee within a week's
a week of time, they'll beshocked and surprised how often they come across
the word wow. Okay, sohere in the Midwest, that's like seeing
white tailed deer, the deer runningaway from you. So now we're gonna
(02:43):
exchange that with the word vibe.And so is it related at all?
Is a vibe related at all toadrenaline or being excited? I would say
it's related, but not the samething. So I'm a scholar, I'm
a thinker, I'm an intellectual,I'm a philosopher, and I take the
(03:05):
vibe as a site of intellectual investigation, right, And so for me,
I want to categorize the vibe asits own phenomenon and as its own experience.
And so we can think of thehuman being, the human experience as
involving a variety of effective experiences affectedwith an A right, So motion,
psychology, adrenaline, nonverbal communication ofvocalics, parallelinguistics, not what you say
(03:29):
but how you say it. Butalso this other thing that we call the
vibe. So, as you saidearlier, the exchange of energy between you
and other people. Now, ofcourse the question comes, what do you
mean by this word energy? Becausethat can mean all kinds of things,
right, So for instance, isthis energy physical or metaphysical? Is it
material or immaterial? Is it spiritualor scientific? Or perhaps just all these
(03:52):
things. And so although I offerup a definition, I don't want to
use just one paradigm to understand thisbecause we're all different human beings, we
all have different experiences, and soI try to invite people to access this
thing they call the vibe, andwhatever way they see fits. So just
to be aware is the first step. And you have a fantastic website and
(04:14):
it's all around the twenty minute vibe. So what would one do with a
twenty minute vibe? That sounds exhausting? It sounds like I have to do
something like jogging. The reason whyit's called the twenty minute vibe is that
most people don't have time to studythe vibe, you know, for years
(04:34):
and years and years and decades,and so I'm offering up short bursts of
information that's accessible, that is manageable. So, for instance, spend twenty
minutes a day thinking about the vibeand experiencing the vibe as opposed to twenty
years or thirty years or twelve hoursa day, et cetera. So I'm
essentially offering up vibe related content andvery accessible chunks of information. And it's
(04:56):
really geared towards those who are intellectuallycurious and who are progressed minded, so
they're interested in this thing we callthe vibe. Yeah, and I think
it sounds to me like you've doneall the hard work. We get to
just go, Oh, I'm goingto dip a toe in here, because
I know there's a lot on yourwebsite. There's courses we can take.
There's different blogs that I don't knowif you call it a blog, but
you have different writings and there's somevery interesting writing in there. And one
(05:20):
of them, one of the essaysI found it states this, I'm going
to read it back to you.Look at any playground and the evidence is
obvious. From an early age,we start badgering each other to dress,
act and talk in a very specificway. Falling out of line invites ridicule
and outcasting. God forbid if Marylikes short hair or Johnny likes Barbie Dolls.
(05:44):
At some point it just becomes easierto give in, just follow the
norm, even if the norm deadends your soul. Wow. So you're
really saying, be your unique self. And for me that's being creative too,
and saying as school goes on andwe learn we have to color inside
the lines or one in one istwo not eleven, or bunny ears or
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peace. It sounds aligned like that. It's about exploring, right, yes,
one hundred percent. Yeah. SoI'm very much a proponent and advocate
of being yourself, being your twoinner self, being your authentic self.
And I think that itself brings withit its own kind of energy and some
kind of vibe, at least formyself, and I would assume for many
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other people that when you encounter someonewho is truly authentically them right, it's
kind of an invitation. It's uplifting, it's refreshing, and I like people
who are authentic with themselves make mefeel at ease and so on. And
I think that's also part of thevibe itself, that if you follow your
own kind of vibe flow, forinstance, you find a way of really
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evoking who you are, you're beingin the moment, you're bringing present to
yourself as to the world around you, And that itself is very uplifting,
positive experience. And so how dowe tap more into this and make it
a daily practice. There's a questioneveryone asks, and it's actually it's not
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as easy to answer as one wouldthink, especially if I've been studies for
thirty years. However, having saidthat, the basic way I would explain
is that number one, try tobe more aware of your body, right,
your body in space, how youare feeling, etc. Right.
Then number two, be more awareof your surroundings, right, what's happening
around you, who are the people, how are things located and arrange,
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etc. And then from there it'llhelp you be more in touch with the
energy you're giving off, with theenergy that people are giving off, and
you can tap into them. Andso again I'll use you as as an
example here. When you're on stage, you have to be aware of your
body, you have to be awareof your audience and then somewhere in between
there you have to negotiate and navigatethat playing field, right, And I
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think that is kind of the exchangeof energy that we're talking about, and
to a further extend that, I'msure you've heard this before as a performer,
but you know, we're all performanceon a stage all the time,
right, whether you're action on astage, or you are teaching, or
you're at the grocery store, waitingonline, whatever the case is, in
some way, you're always playing outsome kind of script in your mind relative
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to our society, to our culture, to expectations, et cetera. Right,
And so the ViBe's helping us tofurther along that whole process, but
hopefully in a way that's more freeingand more enjoyable. Oh I like that
a lot, and it makes itokay to explore that and not just be
for one, yes, we're inthe moment, but also digging deeper and
allowing to go. But why doesit feel like this? Or why am
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I attracted to go talk to thatperson at the party? And you know,
why am I motiating towards these people? I think that's what I was
picturing when you were saying this aboutbeing aware of your surroundings, I'm picturing
that there's sometimes the opposite. Imight be at a store and I immediately
have to leave. I can't tellyou why. I don't know if anybody
else has that. You get overwhelmedor I don't know what it is.
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All of a sudden, I'm justlike, I'm out, you know,
And it must be the what wouldbe the opposite word of vibe? Then,
well, all that is a vibe, right, so you can have
So there's comments saying in our societywhere good vibes only, but that's not
really the reality of it. Right. You have good vibes, you have
bad vibes, you have chill vibes, you have ugly vibes. You have
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a million different kinds of vibes,right, And so the more you tune
yourself to this thing we call thevibe, you start to distinguish between different
kinds of vibes. Right again,going back to being a performer, you
know when an audience is into it. You know when audience is not into
it. You know when they're they'rethere to listen to every word or they're
tuned out and they're just there's theydon't care what you have to say,
right, and in that moment thatyou have to adjust your performance to account
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for that. Excellent, excellent,I can I can dig it. I
can understand that. Now you saidyou've been studying this and researching for thirty
years. Tell me more about thatin your background and and how this is
what you landed on. Yeah,So first, I I do want to
laugh at myself, excit. Ido take this seriously, but I also
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recognize kind of the strangeness of itto kind of use the language of the
show here, right, Not alot of people study the vibe, right,
So for me, in my lateteens, I got involved with all
kinds of underground sceness, the ravescene, jam bands, underground house parties,
all that kind of stuff, andeveryone, including myself, was using
this word a vibe to describe theirexperiences. But at some point I realized
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that none of us were actually definingSo I took literally, at the age
about nineteen or so, I tookan intellectual interest in this thing we call
the vibe. Then I wrote myfirst paper on the vibe in a college
class on nonverbal communication. Then Iwent to graduate school and used both my
master's thesis and my doctoral gestation towrite about the vibe. And then flash
forward many decades later, and herewe are on your show talking about the
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vibe and how do you use thisin your daily day to day work?
Is this how you survive? Isthis paying the mortgage? Well? Yes
and no. So I'm a collegeprofessor at Temple University in Philadelphia, and
at Temple, my major area ofemphasis is the theory and practice of social
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justice. So I study activism andsocial movements. That's what my classes are
about. Things like that, myvibe stuff that is kind of outside of
Temple. It's kind of my ownpersonal interest over my adult life, and
although I am expert on it,it's not really part of my expertise at
Temple. Having said that, thoughI do give talks, I do teach
classes outside of Temple, et cetera. That makes a few bucks, but
it's not exactly paying the bills.Will say that, body right, It's
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kind of like being a performer sometimesor an actor, where it's what you
do, it's your passion, doesn'tnecessarily pay the bills, but it's part
of your life. Yes, yeah, you just describe me heck, yeah,
I'm a speaker, but believe me, I'm working the nine to five.
It's more like an eight to four. But yeah, you know people
would say that to me. Whydon't you just why don't you just speak
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full time? Yeah? Why don'tyou tell me what to do? For
one? But also, hello,I'm glad I didn't just go yeah,
I'm going to do it. I'mall in. So but then, what
are you doing besides I mean,you are definitely book smart and way into
it, and now you took allyour learnings. You're a professor, obviously
everything surrounds that. But what areyou doing for fun? What makes you
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just throw caution into the wind anddo something for fun? I love music,
I love live music. I lovecamping and being in nature in the
woods. I'm a big sports fan, and particularly a football fan. I
love hanging out with my friends,drinking a few beers, busting chops and
laughing and stuff like that. Soyeah, I like thinking of myself as
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a well rounded person, although I'mvery much an intellectual and I take that
stuff seriously. At the same time, though, if you met me in
a bar, you'd probably never thinkI was a professor. That's fun.
I like that. And also onyour website there's a lot of talk about
the band Fish. Why why,no reason. I'm not against Fish,
They're awesome. I've been a lifelongfan of Fish, I really since my
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late teens. Again, they werea part of the experience of me helping
understand the vibe. Fish has avery dedicated following. Their music is very
improvisational, and I think with improvisationalmusic, although or improv in general,
it brings with it a certain kindof energy and vibe. In the words,
you are present in the moment whenyou improv, right, and that
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evokes a certain kind of connection betweenyou and your listeners or your audience or
other people, and that kind oflet's say, performing stalts, so to
speak. I think it's very,very evocative, and it's very intriguing to
me. I like being in themoment with other people. I like that
a lot. And does this meanthat you're also following Fish? Are you
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a fish head? Is that whatthey would be like? Like? So?
Yes, I yes, I wouldbe a fishead. Yes. So
we back in the day there wasdead Heads, and I used to still
our dead Heads and nowadays they're afish head. Actually, I was at
a there's a branch of study calledfish Studies where it's academics who study the
Bandfish. Right. Oh wow,Yeah. The first conference on fish was
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back in twenty nineteen May of twentynineteen, and there's actually another fish Studies
conference coming up this May, whichI'll be attending as well, out in
Oregon. And have you met anyof them? Do they know that they
matter so much to a lot ofyour work and your studies. Oh you
mean the Bandfish, the band Yeah? Oh no, No, No,
I've not met the band. No, perhaps one day, I don't know.
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That would be a dream coming true. But I have not met them
in person. No, that isnot happens. All I got to do
is email. It's magic. Igot you, I got you here.
I tell you. You tell yourpeople to get in touch with their people
and their people get touch my people, and we'll have a big party.
Well, let's talk a little bitabout the courses that you offer. There's
a few different things. People cango to your website, the twenty minute
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Vibe dot com and check out somedifferent courses. So currently I have two
courses up, all the more comingin the future. My first course was
entitled what is the Vibe and introduction. It's about two hours long, and
I just kind of walk through myown philosophy of the vibe, what it
is, how to define it,how do other people talk about the vibe?
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There was we're surrounded by vibe talkall the time, and trying to
delineate what people are talking about.I go through different kind of traditions,
look at it from my spiritual side, look at it from a scientific side,
et cetera, and hopefully people willwalk away with a more expansive and
also a deeper understanding of the vibe. Then the second course I have up
there that I just posted, Ibelieve over the summer. It's about sports
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in the Vibe. So I wastrying to look for a topic that is
more accessible to a wider audience,and I thought sports would be a great
experience. So, for instance,it's the bottom of the fourth quarter,
you're down by a touchdown, eightthousand fans are screaming, and you feel
the electricity in the stadium. RightSo in the sports vibes, in the
words, how do we as fansunderstand the experience of the vibe or energy
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and watching our teams cheing for ourteams, et cetera, but also the
experience for a coach, the experiencefor an athlete relative to peak performance,
being in the zone, and soon. Have you had anybody give feedback
that they've taken your course or justtapped into it more and how that might
have changed something that they thought,you know, whether it be sports or
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not, but anything that any kindof feedback that somebody could give as an
example of how it helped them ormade a difference. I would say the
general feedback is usually that they neverreally thought this deeply about the vibe,
right. Most people just use itas a catchphrase like and it's like almost
like a catchphrase or metaphor for emotionor a feeling. But then once you
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stop and actually think about the vibekind of opens up your own experience.
You can start to put words andideas to your own feelings in the words.
You have now a language to understandyour experience of the world. Well
said, and I'll say it againtwenty minute vibe dot com. Check him
out. And before I let yougo, Jason, I need to know
if you have a dare or aprank story one you've done or had done
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to you. So this relates backto me being a sports fan and enjoying
sports and whatnot. So I havea tattoo my back shoulder of the logo
of the Philadelphia Eagles, which isthe football team in the NFL. Now,
the catch is that I'm a NewYork Giants fan. So I'm a
diar Giants fan, and the Giantsand Egos are arch enemies. And essentially
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the long story short is I losta bet. So a few years back,
I think it was summer of twentyseventeen, I was hanging with my
buddy, Michael and I were havinga few beers hanging out, and he's
an Eagles fan. He's talking allkinds of smack about how the Eagle's gonna
win the Super Bowl. I say, look, i'll tell you what,
if the Eagles win the Super Bowl, I'll get a tattoo the Eagles on
myself. And he had no skinin the game. I didn't say,
well, if they lose or anything, he has to get tattoo. And
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I was like, there's no waythey're gonna win Super Bowl. That year
they start off I think ten andone or eleven and one, the Eagles
and I'm like, I can't believethis is happening. Now they're starting quarterback
though, got hurted. They bleddhis knee, so I'm like, oh
great, I'm texting him. I'mmaking fun of him. I got this
something in the clear. The backupquarterback comes in, they go on a
playoff, they got on a playoffrun, and they win the Super Bowl.
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And now I have a tattoo onmy body of the team I hate
the most in the NFL. Andit wasn't even a money thing. It
was just you were talking smack rightexactly. Yeah he was. He was
so confident they were to win thesuper Bowl. And again, this is
two months before the season starts.I'm like, there's no way to win
in the super Bowl. No onethought they were winning Super Bowl. They
weren't Eve suposed to win the division. And then I personally got on my
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back shoulder. So I don't haveto see it every day, but now
during this and I forget I haveit. In the summertime out the beach,
though, people say, hey goEagles, go birds love your tattoo.
So I'm basically I'm like the scarletletter here, like I have this
thing on my body that I hate. And if you ever covered it up,
would that make you not holding out? I'm what you promised that you
would do well. At this point, it's been what three, about six
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or seventy year, So at thispoint I'm like, well, can I
let this go? Can I getit removed or do something with this?
I mean it's I've paid my dues. I was honest. I held by
my bets. But it might betime to go with this tattoo. Yes,
I agree, it might be timeto move on. And it does
cover your entire back, is whatI'm Oh, no, no it's not
out. Oh no, no it'snot. But you can see it though,
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Like it's not that small. Likeif you walk by and I don't
have our shirt on, you willsee it. Yeah, if you've got
strangers walking by with sports analogies justbecause they saw you, Yeah, it's
big enough to be seen across thebeach. Wow. That is a really
great story. You were so interestingand I just I'm honored to have had
you as a guest. Jason delGandhio. And remember we can only meet
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strangers once and then I invite youto stay weird. I appreciate that you
too. This has been stranger connectionswith Lisa David Wilson, but at ab Alto
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