November 14, 2025 • 32 mins
TrulySignificant.com and co-host Carvin Bogardus celebrate the wonderful career journey of actor Kurt Yue.
Enjoy learning the inside story through Carvin's insightful questions.
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Enjoy learning the inside story through Carvin's insightful questions.
- Kurt Yue was born in Beijing, China and moved to the United States with his parents when he was four years old.
- He spent much of his upbringing in places like Iowa, Arizona, Ohio (Cleveland) as his family moved for work.
- Academically and early-career, he studied computer science/engineering, worked as a software developer/consultant in Cleveland, Ohio for nearly a decade.
- His entry into acting was somewhat serendipitous: he took an acting class for fun, not expecting to switch careers. But the interest grew, he got an agent, started auditioning for local commercials/training videos, and eventually moved to Atlanta to pursue film/TV work.
- Yue has built a diverse acting portfolio. He has credits in shows such as Cobra Kai, Black Widow (though the reference came up in his business profile) and (notably) a recurring role on Will Trent.
- In his interview he mentions his role as “Pete Chin” on Will Trent (a member of the cast) and how the character evolves into more personality and connection with the team over time.
- Beyond acting, he founded “The Acting Career Center” (a YouTube channel + membership/community) where he teaches aspiring actors about the business and craft of acting.
- The transition from tech/corporate to film/TV actor is relatively rare; his background gives him a unique perspective on both craft and business.
- He is not just acting but also building a creator/educator identity (via his channel and membership), which broadens his influence beyond just onscreen roles.
- He emphasizes mindset and process: in interview he shares lessons such as “nobody knows what they’re doing,” “don’t tie your self-worth to booking a job,” “enjoy the process,”
- On Will Trent, he highlights that his character is reserved (matching part of himself) and works in an “office environment” setting, drawing parallels from his corporate days.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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On today's program is a very special guest. It's actor Kurt.
You Carvin tell us about why you're excited to have
Kurt on today's show.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'm very excited to talk to Kirk.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Kurt, and you're one of those actors that really built
your your career truly from the ground up, and it's
really exciting and and I'm a big fan of yours,
and I'm just really excited to get go deeper into
into your career and UH and how you've been able
to build it so far.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I appreciate it Carvin and and Rick. Thank you both
for having me on here. And Yeah, happy to chat
about whatever you guys want to talk.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
First, I want to know where you're from. Lane, Where
are you from originally?
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Yeah, I am so.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I was born in Beijing, China, and but I grew
up most of my life here in the States.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
I've lived in a bunch of different places.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Iowa City, Iowa, Tucson, Arizona, Cleveland, Ohio. Spent most of
my life in Cleveland, Ohio some years, and then the
last nine almost ten years now here in Atlanta, Georgia.
So kind of bounced around quite a bit, but I
would say most of my life was in Ohio.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Okay, nice, you're moving around a lot. I have a
question I want to talk. I think you had a
big pivot in your life. I want to talk about
that story because you've lived too, you know, very different
chapters from writing code as a software developer and now
writing emotion on screen.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
What kind of was the turning point when you.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Realize that acting wasn't just a curiosity, but it's something
you wanted to do.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
As you're calling, Yeah, thanks for that question.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
It's really interesting. It does feel like a different life.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
It's been about.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Fifteen ish years now, oh no, not quite that, about
eleven years since the last time I had a software job.
So I went to college for computer science and engineering.
That was my degree, and then I when I graduated,
I got my first job, you know, entry level job
and software and then kind of bounced around at different companies.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
This was all in Ohio, so doing.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Software work, you know, work in the cubical life, doing
being a computer.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
Programmer, and did that for almost nine years.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
And it was during that time that I was taking
that I was doing that job that I was just
searching for something fun to do after work. And that's
how I found the acting classes. It wasn't I wasn't
specifically searching for acting classes. I was just looking for
anything that might be something different from my cubicle job, right,
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And and so in that time I had done a
bunch of different things I had done. I had taken
a jiu jitsu class. I had done Toastmasters. If you
guys know what Toastmasters is, I don't know how to
explain it. It's like a public speaking type of group.
But it was free and I had started taking going
to those meetings like once a week just for fun.
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And then out of all these things that I kind
of did after work, one of the things I found
was this acting class. And like I said, I wasn't
looking for a career change by any means, just looking
for something to do. They having to offer classes on
at nights and weekends because a lot of the people
they cater to had day jobs, right, So I started
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taking that class.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
It was a blast.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I took that class for almost a year before I
got my first agent, so like eleven months, was just
doing it for fun. I kept coming back because it
was a blast. And I didn't even seek out an
agent either. It was my classmate she had an agent.
She recommended that. She was like, hey, you're doing well
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in class. I've got an agent. You should probably talk
to him and see if you can, you know, do
something with this. So I went to the Age agency
I did. I auditioned for them, you know. They they
offered me a contract and that was my first agent. Again,
it was Cleveland, Ohio, so it was like nothing, I'm
not like auditioning for movies and TV shows there, mainly
(05:12):
like local commercials kind of that the joke in in
Cleveland and actually one of My friend is a stand
up comic, and he told this joke where people would
ask him, you know, what do you do and he'd say,
he's an actor, and they're like, oh, what have I
seen you in? You know, that's a common thing that
we get when we say we're an actor. He would say, well,
if you work for Sherwin Williams, you would have seen
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me in a Sherwin Williams training video. When you get
like training videos or maybe a local commercial would be
like the big break that we would get in a
small market. But that whole time, I just continue to
have my full time job. I never again, I never
really considered it a potential career change because I was
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auditioning every once in a while. Maybe I would book
a job once a month, get a couple hun dollars
added to my bank account on top of, you know,
my day job. It wasn't really until twenty fourteen. So
twenty fourteen would have been six years after I started
taking acting classes for the first time I started. I
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was just finishing a twelve month contract on my software job.
So at that time I wasn't working as a W
two full time employee at this company. I was working
as a contractor. So I had a twelve month contract.
I knew the contract was ending. We all knew it
was ending. It wasn't like they were I was getting
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fired or I was leaving or anything, you know, it
was just the contract was ending. And typically after a
contract ends, I was I would just start interviewing for
the next job. But at the end of this year,
I decided, you know, I had some money saved up,
I had some time. I'd just done this long contract.
I said, I'm going to take a little bit of
time off, so I'm not going to immediately interview for
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the next software job. And so during that time I
could maybe play around, do a little bit more, you know,
audition a little bit more if I could find some
time to or whatever. But then come after, after a
couple months of that break, I realized, hey, I'm not
dipping into savings yet. I was working on doing a
little bit of acting work as some other side hustles
going on. So because of that in the savings and
(07:22):
I'm like, may let's just keep this going for as
long as and it's really been now it's been eleven years.
So so like that first decision to just take a break,
it was like people always ask like, when did you
decide to stop your corporate job? And the decision then
was not to stop. The decision then was to take
like maybe a two month break. It just kept extending
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and extending, extending, and then it just extended until now
and now I can't now it has to be forever
because man, I would not be able to go back
to a software job now. I mean I forgot nine
percent of it, and it's a million times over.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
So yeah, and eleven break.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
The way that it worked, it was all, you know,
a lot of it was kind of by chance. You know,
let's just see how the pieces fall. I've been very
fortunate in how things have worked out in many ways.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
And uh, and yeah, that's me. That's the story.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Do you think, uh, do you think that maybe, like
like looking back, with any skills or disciplines from the
from the tech world that kind of helped you with
the unpredictable world of film and television.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
That's a great question.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
And and I think what I took from my my
tech job and the software background and the you know,
the engineering background, I think there are a lot of
pros and cons of bringing that to what I'm doing now,
I think one one. In one way it made it difficult.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
In multiple ways. It made a difficult.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
One coming from the corporate world of having the steady
paycheck is a huge shift to like now, doing a
career in the arts, where everything's a gig. You know,
it's feast or famine. You can have like a really
good year, but that's not a guarantee that you're gonna
make the same amount of money next year. You could
have a very terrible year, but it's also not a
guarantee you're gonna have a terrible year the next And
(09:13):
it's hard to it's hard to predict that, right and
and in in a way that's what's exciting about it,
but it's also hard to you know, do any sort
of financial planning around that. And the other way that
I think made it difficult was having such a long
period of my life in a career where it's so
structured and so uh, which one is it? Right? I
(09:37):
think left brained? Whichever left brained I think is the
political side right where you're where there's like in software
and in engineering and all of the kind of maths
and sciences, there's always a right and wrong. You know,
you either wrote this code right and it works, or
there's a bug and it just doesn't work. M when
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you come into like filmmaking and acting in somewhere anywhere
in the arts, there's just not a right and a wrong.
It's it's an exploration, right.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
And let's let's see. Let's see what you do, and
let's see what I do.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
And you may do it differently than me, but they
can both be right and they can both be wrong,
and it's all up to interpretation, right, And so that
that certainly made things so difficult in the beginning when
I was in the in the acting class and I wanted,
like the teacher to tell me this is right and
try that, and I'm.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Like, yeah, but which one's right?
Speaker 7 (10:31):
You know?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
So getting my brain to accept that part of it
was certainly uh difficult. But then to your to your
question about what what helped, is that, like the I
feel like using the analytical apartment of brain and analyzing
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a script in a way that that I would do it.
And because there's no right, right or wrong way, then
I process like reading a script and understanding a character
and understanding a story, you know, in a very structured
way that in some instances can be very helpful.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
And I found that that, you know, I found a.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Way that works for me and uh, and it's clearly
has been beneficial throughout the years. So it's been great
to be able to draw upon that still and use
it in my career.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Right now, you talk about like that structure, and I
want want to talk about kind of get in that
a little bit in the meaning behind the work because
as Pete, you know all and wil Trin and then
you're Alsen regretting you most recently, your characters kind of
exist where that truth or authenticity meets vulnerability, and I
want to talk about that preparation and the work you
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put in. How do you prepare yourself emotionally to live
inside moments of you know, loss or redent.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Yeah, that's it's it's difficult and and I think a
big part of it is to try to draw upon
you know, draw upon your own.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Experiences and draw upon your and really open yourself up.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
And you know, the I don't know how much you
guys know about acting technique and acting methods, but you know,
because because it is an art form, there's just all
these different techniques and there's no one right way people.
People learn different ones. The one that I studied for
the longest time in Ohio with this at the acting
school that I started at, is called the Meisner technique.
(12:24):
It's not necessarily that I picked it. It's just like
that was the only acting acting school available and that
was the one that I found. Luckily, it worked for
me and I was able to connect with it. But
the one thing that the Meisner technique teaches that's different
from a lot of other ones is the use of
your imagination rather than just simply drawing upon past experiences.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
So, for example, like you mentioned, like if there's a
scene that's very deep and let's say about loss right
and and somebody and like the character is experiencing like
a tragedy or something like that, Well, yes, absolutely, if
you have something like that that has happened to you
and you can draw upon it and have it become
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a real moment to you in your head, and then
that way it looks like that character is experiencing the
same thing. For sure, you can, you can tap into it.
But what if you've never experienced that, right in that case,
then you you know, especially like you think about these
child actors that are so young, and you know they
may have never experienced something like that, Well, how do
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you get them to get to that same emotional space?
And in the Meisner technique that I study, they they
what's taught is that the power of imagination is just
as powerful as having that thing really happen. Right, And
so if you can imagine and if you can and
it's tough that this is where you know, the training
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comes in, right, It's actually something something that you have
to work in a muscle that you have to work
is to train your mind to think that and to
believe in it, and to actually and open yourself up
to experiencing that imagina imaginary circumstance, so leaving it to
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allow the emotions to really come out.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Absolutely, I'm actually an actor myself. And that's why that's
one of the reason I'm really excited about this conversation
because and you bring up that point about, you know,
the imagination and getting into it, and I think partly
I'm curious kind of with the amount of work that
you put in on your preparation all of that, What's
what what's truly significant to you about a performance? Like
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what does the phrase truly significant performance mean? To you,
because for some it's like awards and it's or or
maybe it's impact, or maybe it's just like a quiet
message that reaches one person, but something that is what's
the most truly significant part about your work?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Do you think?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I think the most important thing that an actor should
think about when they're approaching their performance is to serve
the story. Yeah, we can't think about any sort of
a war words. We can't think about how we look
or sound. You know, the more that we are in
our heads about how how we look or how we
sound on stage or on camera, the less we're actually
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in the moment of what's going on.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Right, So, whether.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
You have a leading role or a one line role
in a movie or a TV show, all of it
serves that overall story in some way, shape or form.
There's a reason why the writer put that character into
the movie or into the show. Again, whether they're the
lead or whether they're a tiny, little one line role.
So if and this is where you know, if you
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try to completely take your ego out of it and
look at this one line role and say, all right,
this role exists for this reason in this story. I'm
not going to try to overdo anything, right. I'm not
going to try to overact this.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
Right.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
The point of this role is for you know, maybe
it's just to move this story along, in which case
that character is not even supposed to be memorable to
the audience, right. The character is supposed to just make
the world seem real in the or in the show.
And I think if we can really take a look
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at it from an overall story standpoint and really understand
the place of that character in the story, and we
can truthfully try to serve that story, that's really the
most important thing.
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Speaker 5 (18:21):
Okay, we're back with our special guests, Kurt You and
my cohort, Carvin Bogartists And I'm going to get in
a ricky question here. You are an incredible storyteller. I
gotta know what one or two mentors you had along
the way that have shaped your ability to tell It's
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been a great tale.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Oh yeah, I appreciate that. I think you know the
first and foremost. I just got to credit my very
first acting teacher in Cleveland, Ohio. She runs a school
called the Hood School of Acting.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
Her name is Justina Hood Morris spelled h o u d.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
E, and it's it's I. I'm so happy that I
found her school and her as a teacher and a mentor.
She At the time when I found her classes, it
was kind of a side hustle for her to be
teaching that acting class and and she had you know,
side jobs just trying to keep her acting school going.
(19:25):
I think her classes were only offered once or maybe
twice a week at the time, and now she has
classes five or seven days a week, multiple employed teachers
at her school. It's worldwide now because she teaches, she
has online classes and in person classes. It's amazing to
see how much her and her.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
School has grown.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
But I gotta, I gotta absolutely credit her because prior
to that class, it was very.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Much the math and science kid.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
And well, I will, I will say my my one
bit of acting I did prior to the age of
twenty six was a fourth grade mandatory play and where
I played a horse. So I don't know, you know,
maybe I could give a little bit of credit to
that fourth grade teacher.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
I Unfortunately I don't remember her name off the top
of my head right now.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
So a little bit of credit there, but most of
the credit to Jessica Hood Morris from the school.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
That is great, awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, this is something I'm very curious about.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I just want to talk more a little bit about technology, humanity,
kind of the future of acting, because you've talked about
this before, but I want to go a little bit
more into it as especially as someone with a bachelor's
in computer science and engineering. You said, and now you're
you know, building characters as an actor. How do you
I just view the rise of AI generated talent in
the industry, Yeah, really interesting.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I definitely as a as a former software guy and
coming from that background, I can certainly appreciate the technological advances,
right I. You know, when I first saw what this,
you know this the Google and the different companies that
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do a generated video. I can see both sides of it.
I absolutely appreciate how amazing that just typing a couple
of words in and it can throw out, you know,
this video that looks more and more believable every day, right,
And I've been I've been gotten quite a few times
recently of just like scrolling through social media and then
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looking at a video and been like, Oh, this is crazy,
and then realizing oh, this must be AI and then
you can comments and finding out that it is right.
So I'm sure there are times where I haven't even
made that thought. I made that can I probably scrolled
through and watch some things that I've been tricked by now,
so it's gotten really, really good and to that point,
then it The opposite side of that is that it
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can certainly be scary to imagine what that could be
in terms of like, does that replace what we're currently
creating in our you know, on our content creation and
entertainment industry and all of that. The more that I
think about it, it feels like it will. It's certainly
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not going to go away, right, But the more that
I think about it, it feels like it's basically it's
going to continue to grow and it's going to continue
to grow and be in its own lane. And the
same way that when YouTube came about, right, and now
you know, we have it's become the biggest media empire,
(22:38):
you know, in the history of world is YouTube and
it's user generated content. Right, Everything on YouTube is user generated,
but it doesn't it doesn't completely replace television, and it
didn't completely replace movies, right, So, I feel like AI
generated content, be it little clips or an entire feature film,
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which I'm sure is going to come at some point, right,
I think, is going to have its place, But I
don't think it's going to completely replace what people make
right right, And I think as long as there are
people who want to make them, like directors and actors
who want to continue to do it, then they're still
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going to be created, and there's still gonna be an
audience that wants to watch those two. I think they'll
both be going concurrently and and find their own audiences.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Do you think it's Do you think it's simply the
two categories just being a separate category is what separates
it in its own line? Or do you think there
is like a specific human quality that technology will never
be able to replicate on screen.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I don't think I think we'll ever see some you know,
to say never is going to be is taught right.
What we're just like, what I'm saying right now is
scrolling through social media and being tricked by things.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I mean time will will watch something and you won't
be able to tell if that's a real person or
or an AI generated actor. The thing is, though, when
we look at the ethics of it, you know, the
AI generated actors is not really generated. It's taking from
all of this, from past movies and past other actors.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Right, So it's.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Drawing upon all of these all of these other actors
who have done their actual performances and taking that and
creating or or you know, I don't know what the
word is, but you know, I don't want to say
creating because it's not creating it out of nowhere, right,
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it's these performances that are fed in and making this other,
you know, other type of performance. And in which case,
you know, we can't really say that it's it's real,
but it's you can trick us to look that that
it will look real for sure.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, great points.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
All right.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Well, also, I guess we'll get in a last section.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
You're like a little bit of legacy about legacy significance
uh through you know acting career center you you mentor
others stepping into this uncertain profession. What can you say
just sell aspiring actors about building you know, not just
a resume, but like a meaningful life in this career.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yeah, well, one of the main reasons why I decided
to start it was that I thought it was I
still think it's incredible for a person like me having
zero acting training at all, coming from a background that
that feels like a complete one eighty from what I'm
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doing right.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
Now, and being being able to make it work.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
And and having and being a person that didn't really
have this dream growing up and being able to be
successful at it makes me feel like.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
It's absolutely possible.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
You know this, This is it's one of those careers
that can always can oftentimes be be disregarded as a
pipe dream. And for me to be in the position
that I am, who am I to say that that
it's not possible, right because I'm just I'm living it,
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and I don't think I've done anything extraordinary, right, So
I think it's absolutely a possible career path and a
viable career path to do.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
So. I wanted to be able to explain.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
All of these the kind of demystify what Hollywood is
and what are some actual, actual actionable steps. And this
has kind of called the engineer braining coming into it
and saying, these are some actual actionable steps that you
can take to actually move your career forward, and then
in terms of like having a real career out of this,
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it's one of those things. And one of the things
I truly believe been is.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
This. Ha, this goes beyond a career in acting.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
But I think from a financial standpoint, I think any
financial advisor or guru or anybody would tell you that
having multiple sources of income is always a good idea.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
And so when I approach my acting career and I
talk to new actors that want to approach their career
and they talk about how acting, you know, they've heard
that acting is not a reliable source of income.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
And it's true, it's not. I'm not going to I'm
not going to pretend that it is. It just isn't.
But that doesn't mean that you have to only have
one source of income, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
And I think what's been great about me pursuing this career,
it's opened my eyes to what I tell people that
a lot of times you're in acting class and you're
learning how to be be imaginative and be creative in
your acting work. Well let's start applying that to your
outside life as well, Because you don't have to have
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this nine to five corporate job life. There are so
many people having creating a great career financial life with two, three,
four different sources of income, and in a way that's
a lot more secure because if one or two of
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those goes away and you have another one that to
fall back on to kind of keep you afloat, it's great.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
So I've been able.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
To pursue this career and also have multiple sources of
income on the side, where you know, if I have
a slow year acting or if my one of my businesses,
you know, is not working, there's other things to fall
back on, right, And I think it's been great to
be able to continue to pursue this also from where
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I can be in a way financially independent of my
acting work, because I feel like when an actor goes
into an audition thinking, oh, I need this job because
I need the money, because I need to pay rent
or buy groceries or whatever, it totally influences everything that
you do in the world. And you're not in the
story anymore, right, You're not thinking about the character and
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thinking about the story and thinking about the relationships exactly
thinking about them.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
But I had someone on a couple of months ago,
Kurtin said that everyone should have a primary job, a
side hustle, and a job of passion. And they basically said, Kurtly,
if you had those three, then you could be most
effective at all of them because you're more present in
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all of them because the pressure's off. And what you
just said is exactly the same. It's like if you
go into an acting role and you go it's now
or never, this is it, then that's gonna take. That
puts too much pressure on you and you're trying too
hard and you lose it.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Man, And you've got so much pressure already, you got
so much an acting financial burden on it as well.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
You're absolutely right, awesome, I right, continue to talk about
purpose and everything legacy. When you're all said and done
and the camera stop rolling, what kind of story do
you hope that people will tell about you, you know,
as an actor or even just as the man curry you.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Look as an actor?
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Hopefully, hopefully I've inspired other actors, you know, inspired other
people that.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Maybe have thought that this is not possible.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Or have thought that this was gonna be a career
that might be too hard, and shown them a path
that is that.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
That can be achieved. Right, It is hard.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
You know, it's certainly not an easy career to pursue,
but it's not impossible. So I think from that standpoint,
I've hopefully inspired some people to to move forward in
the careers, and I know that I already have. I've
gotten people that have reached out and told me that,
which is it is incredible to hear.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
And I also feel like, because I never grew up
wanting or dreaming about this as a career, everything after
that first Sherwin Williams thing that I did has just
been icing on the cake. Like everything has just been amazing.
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And whether it's a tiny one line role in a
movie or you know, this recurring character for three seasons
on will Trent, all of it I appreciate so much.
And there's no part of me that would feel like
my acting career is a failure if I don't walk
a bunch of reds, become a movie star or anything
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like that.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
It's just awful.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
The way that I've approached this has always been just
like the same way that I did when I walked
into that acting class for the first time, was just
let me, let me start try this because it seems
like something fun to do that's difficult from Thank.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
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On today's program is a very special guest. It's actor Kurt.
You Carvin tell us about why you're excited to have
Kurt on today's show.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'm very excited to talk to Kirk.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Kurt, and you're one of those actors that really built
your your career truly from the ground up, and it's
really exciting and and I'm a big fan of yours,
and I'm just really excited to get go deeper into
into your career and UH and how you've been able
to build it so far.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I appreciate it Carvin and and Rick. Thank you both
for having me on here. And Yeah, happy to chat
about whatever you guys want to talk.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
First, I want to know where you're from. Lane, Where
are you from originally?
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Yeah, I am so.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I was born in Beijing, China, and but I grew
up most of my life here in the States.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
I've lived in a bunch of different places.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Iowa City, Iowa, Tucson, Arizona, Cleveland, Ohio. Spent most of
my life in Cleveland, Ohio some years, and then the
last nine almost ten years now here in Atlanta, Georgia.
So kind of bounced around quite a bit, but I
would say most of my life was in Ohio.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Cool.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Okay, nice, you're moving around a lot. I have a
question I want to talk. I think you had a
big pivot in your life. I want to talk about
that story because you've lived too, you know, very different
chapters from writing code as a software developer and now
writing emotion on screen.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
What kind of was the turning point when you.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Realize that acting wasn't just a curiosity, but it's something
you wanted to do.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
As you're calling, Yeah, thanks for that question.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
It's really interesting. It does feel like a different life.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
It's been about.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Fifteen ish years now, oh no, not quite that, about
eleven years since the last time I had a software job.
So I went to college for computer science and engineering.
That was my degree, and then I when I graduated,
I got my first job, you know, entry level job
and software and then kind of bounced around at different companies.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
This was all in Ohio, so doing.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Software work, you know, work in the cubical life, doing
being a computer.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
Programmer, and did that for almost nine years.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
And it was during that time that I was taking
that I was doing that job that I was just
searching for something fun to do after work. And that's
how I found the acting classes. It wasn't I wasn't
specifically searching for acting classes. I was just looking for
anything that might be something different from my cubicle job, right,
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And and so in that time I had done a
bunch of different things I had done. I had taken
a jiu jitsu class. I had done Toastmasters. If you
guys know what Toastmasters is, I don't know how to
explain it. It's like a public speaking type of group.
But it was free and I had started taking going
to those meetings like once a week just for fun.
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And then out of all these things that I kind
of did after work, one of the things I found
was this acting class. And like I said, I wasn't
looking for a career change by any means, just looking
for something to do. They having to offer classes on
at nights and weekends because a lot of the people
they cater to had day jobs, right, So I started
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taking that class.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
It was a blast.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I took that class for almost a year before I
got my first agent, so like eleven months, was just
doing it for fun. I kept coming back because it
was a blast. And I didn't even seek out an
agent either. It was my classmate she had an agent.
She recommended that. She was like, hey, you're doing well
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in class. I've got an agent. You should probably talk
to him and see if you can, you know, do
something with this. So I went to the Age agency
I did. I auditioned for them, you know. They they
offered me a contract and that was my first agent. Again,
it was Cleveland, Ohio, so it was like nothing, I'm
not like auditioning for movies and TV shows there, mainly
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like local commercials kind of that the joke in in
Cleveland and actually one of My friend is a stand
up comic, and he told this joke where people would
ask him, you know, what do you do and he'd say,
he's an actor, and they're like, oh, what have I
seen you in? You know, that's a common thing that
we get when we say we're an actor. He would say, well,
if you work for Sherwin Williams, you would have seen
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me in a Sherwin Williams training video. When you get
like training videos or maybe a local commercial would be
like the big break that we would get in a
small market. But that whole time, I just continue to
have my full time job. I never again, I never
really considered it a potential career change because I was
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auditioning every once in a while. Maybe I would book
a job once a month, get a couple hun dollars
added to my bank account on top of, you know,
my day job. It wasn't really until twenty fourteen. So
twenty fourteen would have been six years after I started
taking acting classes for the first time I started. I
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was just finishing a twelve month contract on my software job.
So at that time I wasn't working as a W
two full time employee at this company. I was working
as a contractor. So I had a twelve month contract.
I knew the contract was ending. We all knew it
was ending. It wasn't like they were I was getting
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fired or I was leaving or anything, you know, it
was just the contract was ending. And typically after a
contract ends, I was I would just start interviewing for
the next job. But at the end of this year,
I decided, you know, I had some money saved up,
I had some time. I'd just done this long contract.
I said, I'm going to take a little bit of
time off, so I'm not going to immediately interview for
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the next software job. And so during that time I
could maybe play around, do a little bit more, you know,
audition a little bit more if I could find some
time to or whatever. But then come after, after a
couple months of that break, I realized, hey, I'm not
dipping into savings yet. I was working on doing a
little bit of acting work as some other side hustles
going on. So because of that in the savings and
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I'm like, may let's just keep this going for as
long as and it's really been now it's been eleven years.
So so like that first decision to just take a break,
it was like people always ask like, when did you
decide to stop your corporate job? And the decision then
was not to stop. The decision then was to take
like maybe a two month break. It just kept extending
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and extending, extending, and then it just extended until now
and now I can't now it has to be forever
because man, I would not be able to go back
to a software job now. I mean I forgot nine
percent of it, and it's a million times over.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
So yeah, and eleven break.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
The way that it worked, it was all, you know,
a lot of it was kind of by chance. You know,
let's just see how the pieces fall. I've been very
fortunate in how things have worked out in many ways.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
And uh, and yeah, that's me. That's the story.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Do you think, uh, do you think that maybe, like
like looking back, with any skills or disciplines from the
from the tech world that kind of helped you with
the unpredictable world of film and television.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
That's a great question.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
And and I think what I took from my my
tech job and the software background and the you know,
the engineering background, I think there are a lot of
pros and cons of bringing that to what I'm doing now,
I think one one. In one way it made it difficult.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
In multiple ways. It made a difficult.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
One coming from the corporate world of having the steady
paycheck is a huge shift to like now, doing a
career in the arts, where everything's a gig. You know,
it's feast or famine. You can have like a really
good year, but that's not a guarantee that you're gonna
make the same amount of money next year. You could
have a very terrible year, but it's also not a
guarantee you're gonna have a terrible year the next And
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it's hard to it's hard to predict that, right and
and in in a way that's what's exciting about it,
but it's also hard to you know, do any sort
of financial planning around that. And the other way that
I think made it difficult was having such a long
period of my life in a career where it's so
structured and so uh, which one is it? Right? I
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think left brained? Whichever left brained I think is the
political side right where you're where there's like in software
and in engineering and all of the kind of maths
and sciences, there's always a right and wrong. You know,
you either wrote this code right and it works, or
there's a bug and it just doesn't work. M when
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you come into like filmmaking and acting in somewhere anywhere
in the arts, there's just not a right and a wrong.
It's it's an exploration, right.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
And let's let's see. Let's see what you do, and
let's see what I do.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
And you may do it differently than me, but they
can both be right and they can both be wrong,
and it's all up to interpretation, right, And so that
that certainly made things so difficult in the beginning when
I was in the in the acting class and I wanted,
like the teacher to tell me this is right and
try that, and I'm.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Like, yeah, but which one's right?
Speaker 7 (10:31):
You know?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
So getting my brain to accept that part of it
was certainly uh difficult. But then to your to your
question about what what helped, is that, like the I
feel like using the analytical apartment of brain and analyzing
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a script in a way that that I would do it.
And because there's no right, right or wrong way, then
I process like reading a script and understanding a character
and understanding a story, you know, in a very structured
way that in some instances can be very helpful.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
And I found that that, you know, I found a.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Way that works for me and uh, and it's clearly
has been beneficial throughout the years. So it's been great
to be able to draw upon that still and use
it in my career.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Right now, you talk about like that structure, and I
want want to talk about kind of get in that
a little bit in the meaning behind the work because
as Pete, you know all and wil Trin and then
you're Alsen regretting you most recently, your characters kind of
exist where that truth or authenticity meets vulnerability, and I
want to talk about that preparation and the work you
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put in. How do you prepare yourself emotionally to live
inside moments of you know, loss or redent.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Yeah, that's it's it's difficult and and I think a
big part of it is to try to draw upon
you know, draw upon your own.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Experiences and draw upon your and really open yourself up.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
And you know, the I don't know how much you
guys know about acting technique and acting methods, but you know,
because because it is an art form, there's just all
these different techniques and there's no one right way people.
People learn different ones. The one that I studied for
the longest time in Ohio with this at the acting
school that I started at, is called the Meisner technique.
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It's not necessarily that I picked it. It's just like
that was the only acting acting school available and that
was the one that I found. Luckily, it worked for
me and I was able to connect with it. But
the one thing that the Meisner technique teaches that's different
from a lot of other ones is the use of
your imagination rather than just simply drawing upon past experiences.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
So, for example, like you mentioned, like if there's a
scene that's very deep and let's say about loss right
and and somebody and like the character is experiencing like
a tragedy or something like that, Well, yes, absolutely, if
you have something like that that has happened to you
and you can draw upon it and have it become
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a real moment to you in your head, and then
that way it looks like that character is experiencing the
same thing. For sure, you can, you can tap into it.
But what if you've never experienced that, right in that case,
then you you know, especially like you think about these
child actors that are so young, and you know they
may have never experienced something like that, Well, how do
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you get them to get to that same emotional space?
And in the Meisner technique that I study, they they
what's taught is that the power of imagination is just
as powerful as having that thing really happen. Right, And
so if you can imagine and if you can and
it's tough that this is where you know, the training
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comes in, right, It's actually something something that you have
to work in a muscle that you have to work
is to train your mind to think that and to
believe in it, and to actually and open yourself up
to experiencing that imagina imaginary circumstance, so leaving it to
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allow the emotions to really come out.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Absolutely, I'm actually an actor myself. And that's why that's
one of the reason I'm really excited about this conversation
because and you bring up that point about, you know,
the imagination and getting into it, and I think partly
I'm curious kind of with the amount of work that
you put in on your preparation all of that, What's
what what's truly significant to you about a performance? Like
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what does the phrase truly significant performance mean? To you,
because for some it's like awards and it's or or
maybe it's impact, or maybe it's just like a quiet
message that reaches one person, but something that is what's
the most truly significant part about your work?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Do you think?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I think the most important thing that an actor should
think about when they're approaching their performance is to serve
the story. Yeah, we can't think about any sort of
a war words. We can't think about how we look
or sound. You know, the more that we are in
our heads about how how we look or how we
sound on stage or on camera, the less we're actually
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in the moment of what's going on.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Right, So, whether.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
You have a leading role or a one line role
in a movie or a TV show, all of it
serves that overall story in some way, shape or form.
There's a reason why the writer put that character into
the movie or into the show. Again, whether they're the
lead or whether they're a tiny, little one line role.
So if and this is where you know, if you
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try to completely take your ego out of it and
look at this one line role and say, all right,
this role exists for this reason in this story. I'm
not going to try to overdo anything, right. I'm not
going to try to overact this.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
Right.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
The point of this role is for you know, maybe
it's just to move this story along, in which case
that character is not even supposed to be memorable to
the audience, right. The character is supposed to just make
the world seem real in the or in the show.
And I think if we can really take a look
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at it from an overall story standpoint and really understand
the place of that character in the story, and we
can truthfully try to serve that story, that's really the
most important thing.
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Speaker 5 (18:21):
Okay, we're back with our special guests, Kurt You and
my cohort, Carvin Bogartists And I'm going to get in
a ricky question here. You are an incredible storyteller. I
gotta know what one or two mentors you had along
the way that have shaped your ability to tell It's
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been a great tale.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Oh yeah, I appreciate that. I think you know the
first and foremost. I just got to credit my very
first acting teacher in Cleveland, Ohio. She runs a school
called the Hood School of Acting.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
Her name is Justina Hood Morris spelled h o u d.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
E, and it's it's I. I'm so happy that I
found her school and her as a teacher and a mentor.
She At the time when I found her classes, it
was kind of a side hustle for her to be
teaching that acting class and and she had you know,
side jobs just trying to keep her acting school going.
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I think her classes were only offered once or maybe
twice a week at the time, and now she has
classes five or seven days a week, multiple employed teachers
at her school. It's worldwide now because she teaches, she
has online classes and in person classes. It's amazing to
see how much her and her.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
School has grown.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
But I gotta, I gotta absolutely credit her because prior
to that class, it was very.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Much the math and science kid.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
And well, I will, I will say my my one
bit of acting I did prior to the age of
twenty six was a fourth grade mandatory play and where
I played a horse. So I don't know, you know,
maybe I could give a little bit of credit to
that fourth grade teacher.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
I Unfortunately I don't remember her name off the top
of my head right now.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
So a little bit of credit there, but most of
the credit to Jessica Hood Morris from the school.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
That is great, awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, this is something I'm very curious about.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I just want to talk more a little bit about technology, humanity,
kind of the future of acting, because you've talked about
this before, but I want to go a little bit
more into it as especially as someone with a bachelor's
in computer science and engineering. You said, and now you're
you know, building characters as an actor. How do you
I just view the rise of AI generated talent in
the industry, Yeah, really interesting.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I definitely as a as a former software guy and
coming from that background, I can certainly appreciate the technological advances,
right I. You know, when I first saw what this,
you know this the Google and the different companies that
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do a generated video. I can see both sides of it.
I absolutely appreciate how amazing that just typing a couple
of words in and it can throw out, you know,
this video that looks more and more believable every day, right,
And I've been I've been gotten quite a few times
recently of just like scrolling through social media and then
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looking at a video and been like, Oh, this is crazy,
and then realizing oh, this must be AI and then
you can comments and finding out that it is right.
So I'm sure there are times where I haven't even
made that thought. I made that can I probably scrolled
through and watch some things that I've been tricked by now,
so it's gotten really, really good and to that point,
then it The opposite side of that is that it
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can certainly be scary to imagine what that could be
in terms of like, does that replace what we're currently
creating in our you know, on our content creation and
entertainment industry and all of that. The more that I
think about it, it feels like it will. It's certainly
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not going to go away, right, But the more that
I think about it, it feels like it's basically it's
going to continue to grow and it's going to continue
to grow and be in its own lane. And the
same way that when YouTube came about, right, and now
you know, we have it's become the biggest media empire,
(22:38):
you know, in the history of world is YouTube and
it's user generated content. Right, Everything on YouTube is user generated,
but it doesn't it doesn't completely replace television, and it
didn't completely replace movies, right, So, I feel like AI
generated content, be it little clips or an entire feature film,
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which I'm sure is going to come at some point, right,
I think, is going to have its place, But I
don't think it's going to completely replace what people make
right right, And I think as long as there are
people who want to make them, like directors and actors
who want to continue to do it, then they're still
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going to be created, and there's still gonna be an
audience that wants to watch those two. I think they'll
both be going concurrently and and find their own audiences.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Do you think it's Do you think it's simply the
two categories just being a separate category is what separates
it in its own line? Or do you think there
is like a specific human quality that technology will never
be able to replicate on screen.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I don't think I think we'll ever see some you know,
to say never is going to be is taught right.
What we're just like, what I'm saying right now is
scrolling through social media and being tricked by things.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I mean time will will watch something and you won't
be able to tell if that's a real person or
or an AI generated actor. The thing is, though, when
we look at the ethics of it, you know, the
AI generated actors is not really generated. It's taking from
all of this, from past movies and past other actors.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Right, So it's.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Drawing upon all of these all of these other actors
who have done their actual performances and taking that and
creating or or you know, I don't know what the
word is, but you know, I don't want to say
creating because it's not creating it out of nowhere, right,
(24:40):
it's these performances that are fed in and making this other,
you know, other type of performance. And in which case,
you know, we can't really say that it's it's real,
but it's you can trick us to look that that
it will look real for sure.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, great points.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
All right.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Well, also, I guess we'll get in a last section.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
You're like a little bit of legacy about legacy significance
uh through you know acting career center you you mentor
others stepping into this uncertain profession. What can you say
just sell aspiring actors about building you know, not just
a resume, but like a meaningful life in this career.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yeah, well, one of the main reasons why I decided
to start it was that I thought it was I
still think it's incredible for a person like me having
zero acting training at all, coming from a background that
that feels like a complete one eighty from what I'm
(25:43):
doing right.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
Now, and being being able to make it work.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
And and having and being a person that didn't really
have this dream growing up and being able to be
successful at it makes me feel like.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
It's absolutely possible.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
You know this, This is it's one of those careers
that can always can oftentimes be be disregarded as a
pipe dream. And for me to be in the position
that I am, who am I to say that that
it's not possible, right because I'm just I'm living it,
(26:21):
and I don't think I've done anything extraordinary, right, So
I think it's absolutely a possible career path and a
viable career path to do.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
So. I wanted to be able to explain.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
All of these the kind of demystify what Hollywood is
and what are some actual, actual actionable steps. And this
has kind of called the engineer braining coming into it
and saying, these are some actual actionable steps that you
can take to actually move your career forward, and then
in terms of like having a real career out of this,
(26:57):
it's one of those things. And one of the things
I truly believe been is.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
This. Ha, this goes beyond a career in acting.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
But I think from a financial standpoint, I think any
financial advisor or guru or anybody would tell you that
having multiple sources of income is always a good idea.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
And so when I approach my acting career and I
talk to new actors that want to approach their career
and they talk about how acting, you know, they've heard
that acting is not a reliable source of income.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
And it's true, it's not. I'm not going to I'm
not going to pretend that it is. It just isn't.
But that doesn't mean that you have to only have
one source of income, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
And I think what's been great about me pursuing this career,
it's opened my eyes to what I tell people that
a lot of times you're in acting class and you're
learning how to be be imaginative and be creative in
your acting work. Well let's start applying that to your
outside life as well, Because you don't have to have
(28:13):
this nine to five corporate job life. There are so
many people having creating a great career financial life with two, three,
four different sources of income, and in a way that's
a lot more secure because if one or two of
(28:34):
those goes away and you have another one that to
fall back on to kind of keep you afloat, it's great.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
So I've been able.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
To pursue this career and also have multiple sources of
income on the side, where you know, if I have
a slow year acting or if my one of my businesses,
you know, is not working, there's other things to fall
back on, right, And I think it's been great to
be able to continue to pursue this also from where
(29:06):
I can be in a way financially independent of my
acting work, because I feel like when an actor goes
into an audition thinking, oh, I need this job because
I need the money, because I need to pay rent
or buy groceries or whatever, it totally influences everything that
you do in the world. And you're not in the
story anymore, right, You're not thinking about the character and
(29:29):
thinking about the story and thinking about the relationships exactly
thinking about them.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
But I had someone on a couple of months ago,
Kurtin said that everyone should have a primary job, a
side hustle, and a job of passion. And they basically said, Kurtly,
if you had those three, then you could be most
effective at all of them because you're more present in
(29:55):
all of them because the pressure's off. And what you
just said is exactly the same. It's like if you
go into an acting role and you go it's now
or never, this is it, then that's gonna take. That
puts too much pressure on you and you're trying too
hard and you lose it.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Man, And you've got so much pressure already, you got
so much an acting financial burden on it as well.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
You're absolutely right, awesome, I right, continue to talk about
purpose and everything legacy. When you're all said and done
and the camera stop rolling, what kind of story do
you hope that people will tell about you, you know,
as an actor or even just as the man curry you.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Look as an actor?
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Hopefully, hopefully I've inspired other actors, you know, inspired other
people that.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Maybe have thought that this is not possible.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Or have thought that this was gonna be a career
that might be too hard, and shown them a path
that is that.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
That can be achieved. Right, It is hard.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
You know, it's certainly not an easy career to pursue,
but it's not impossible. So I think from that standpoint,
I've hopefully inspired some people to to move forward in
the careers, and I know that I already have. I've
gotten people that have reached out and told me that,
which is it is incredible to hear.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
And I also feel like, because I never grew up
wanting or dreaming about this as a career, everything after
that first Sherwin Williams thing that I did has just
been icing on the cake. Like everything has just been amazing.
(31:51):
And whether it's a tiny one line role in a
movie or you know, this recurring character for three seasons
on will Trent, all of it I appreciate so much.
And there's no part of me that would feel like
my acting career is a failure if I don't walk
a bunch of reds, become a movie star or anything
(32:12):
like that.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
It's just awful.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
The way that I've approached this has always been just
like the same way that I did when I walked
into that acting class for the first time, was just
let me, let me start try this because it seems
like something fun to do that's difficult from Thank.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
You so much for being on today, but hey, folks,
thanks for joining us today. We hope that you enjoyed
our special guests Kurt You and Carvin Bogartists, and as
we always say, we wish you success on your way
to significant so have a great week.
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