TrulySignificant.com presents Charles Cormier, serial entrepreneur,
Builds Multi-7-Figure Pipelines with 100 GPT-Powered Inboxes ▪️ 50X Founder ▪️ 3X Ironman ▪️ Superbike Racer▪️ 100K Ultra Runner, but now he is becoming a Dad.
Join us in this very intriguing conversation as Charles transcends into fatherhood. Hear about his new vision for education, preparing the next generation to make a significant difference.
Visit www.charlescormier.com for more information.
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Builds Multi-7-Figure Pipelines with 100 GPT-Powered Inboxes ▪️ 50X Founder ▪️ 3X Ironman ▪️ Superbike Racer▪️ 100K Ultra Runner, but now he is becoming a Dad.
Join us in this very intriguing conversation as Charles transcends into fatherhood. Hear about his new vision for education, preparing the next generation to make a significant difference.
Visit www.charlescormier.com for more information.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/success-made-to-last-legends--4302039/support.
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Speaker 3 (01:52):
And welcome back to Truly Significant dot com Presents. I'm
Rick Tokini. Our very special guest today is Charles Cormier,
and it's almost as if we have been lifelong friends,
even though we've known each other for maybe a week.
I went through charles meditation session this afternoon with three
strangers I knew nothing about. They turned out to be
(02:15):
good people, good friends. Charles is a contemporary founder CEO
behind a portfolio of a great group of companies including
Podpyre Tie, top Leads, Agency Listraad dot Com and on
and on and on, honest to Goodness, serial entrepreneur, butt people.
(02:35):
This show is about significance, so he and his wife
are expecting. So today's show is going to be part
of one of two series, and we're going to talk
to Charles about what it's like in anticipation of his
offspring coming. Welcome Charles to Truly Significant.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Thanks, Rick and youah the like we've known each other
thing Maybe because we've interviewed a bunch of people on
bolt of our podcasts right and podcasters like you and
I are a special breed. I really like these people.
They know how to ask good questions. They know how
to listen, they're curious, they're open minded. So yeah, that
(03:16):
me explain why it must.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
And I want to jump right into this topic because
this is going to be a time for you, perhaps
to wax philosophically. You've coached so many people in businesses
and you've done some remarkable things. But now you're about
(03:41):
to build something of the heart, and I want to
know what kind of a legacy do you envision for
your child to say that you left behind someday.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yes, an important question. I've built many things from the
heart throughout the years. I built a quite large company
in the last ten years and I've managed over two
thousand employees. I paid over two thousand people large amounts
of money, so I think that was pretty generous. It
(04:18):
wasn't so profitable, right Like, I pivoted to full AI
and the last couple of years, and I think I
did my fair shot. I could do better. That is one,
So that's like one space that I'm actively working on,
although I donate large amounts of money every months to
various organizations. And two, I think I could work on
(04:40):
something more relevant than just generating leads. Although product market
fit and go to market is really important, right, and
I work with a pretty impactful company. I'll start with that.
Then you question a legacy, right, I don't think I've
left a legacy so far, except probably that podcast recordings,
(05:01):
if that can be counted as such. So I think
I have massive work to do on that level, and
when I have a kid. One of my attempts to
create a legacy this year was my new company, my
new offspring called Ceouni dot com. It's actually an AI
school for kids, and I think that's what's closest to
(05:24):
my heart in terms of legacy one for my kid, right,
because it's like I would be understanding how brain works
and how brain evolves, and so I think it would
be a great service to the world just to teach
young ambitious, energetic kid to start a business, to learn meditation,
(05:45):
to learn how to live, to learn how to have
a great relationship, to contribute to this world, and to
be a better human being, which are all things that
weren't taught to us in school. We were taught to
be good grade at fillers and the testers and just
(06:05):
like being a good cookie cutter type of student and
listen to the teacher, right, And I had a very
hard time with that system myself. As an ambitious kid.
I was always smart at school and good at school,
but I was never rewarded by that. So if I
would have to leave a legacy, I think it would
(06:27):
be in form of a business one, because I don't
believe in nonprofits really, or at least in my own context.
I need to be capitalistically wired, which we can discuss about,
but I think that would be my main legacy for now,
and eventually participating in the race of a jib because,
like Sam Altman says, he said he loves saying that,
(06:50):
which is sort of controversial, but it's like my kid
will never be smarter than an AI, and I think
he's right. I think there's a better way to say this,
because as human and a kid can still be more
valuable to society than an AI and an agi. But
eventually I would be into that race, and that would
be ultimately my legacy because I do think that AI
(07:13):
is the greatest tool to magnify value to this world.
So long and so short.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, beautifully stated, and I bet that will evolve as
your years as a dad evolves, and I just I
just know that, and I want to tell your dad
to dad when you're there in the hospital and you're
holding your little one for the first time, your life
(07:43):
will be transformed, of course, and it may be already.
And I want to know what are you what are
you thinking about right now as a future dad, and
what are some of the I don't hate to use
the word anxious or worried, but what are some of
the things that have been stirring in your head, maybe
in the middle of the night, about this upcoming stage
(08:06):
of your life?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Right? Yeah, definitely some anxiety. I won't hide that. I'm
also preparing for one hundred and ten gay right, and
I'm running a business that's generating fifteen to thirty leads
per day, so that's a lot to manage, but I
like it that way. I'm quite busy. I have five
dogs as well, and a whole bunch of it are
(08:29):
interesting and crazy life areas. So I will say, well, one,
it's an interesting Beth, right, because I'm sort of an
alien as a person, and I don't think I'll fundamentally change.
Of course, I'll have different chemistry into me, and I
will spend more of my time with my kids and
(08:50):
they will become certainly a strong purpose. But I don't
like most parents. I don't want to dedicate like my
full life to my kids. I do have, I will
have tons of love for them, but I don't want
to be one a helicopter parent. I'm not saying you
were right, and I'm not saying most parents are, but
I also want to teach them freedom right. And my
(09:13):
parents did a very very good job with me. But
I felt at eighteen years old that I was thrown
into this market and I didn't have a clue of
like how it worked, you know, And fortunately I found
a good mentor right like the I was just ill
prepared to be by my own right to live my
(09:34):
own life, to have my own apartment, and it was wild.
I'm a wild persons. I just like decided to pack
a suitcase and travel the world. I met my wife
in Mohaka all these years ago. But I also want
to teach my kids like independence right, and I want
to go more for quality time rather than quality So
(09:55):
that aside answering your question, well, with me and my wife,
we've always wanted kid, Yeah, wanted kids. I think at
some stage of the relationship it was way more obvious
in the last couple of years because we've been talking
about it. We only started that project like actively wanting
to have kids and doing the work right like about
(10:18):
sixty seven months ago, and as we're like both busy professionally,
it was hard, you know, like we didn't know if
we could get pregnant actually, so it was a hell
of the news when we received that the other day,
and my wife, like just the night before was just like, yeah,
I want to get pregnant, and it started. It's such
(10:40):
a bummer. And then the next day she does the
pregnancy test and she got it. So it was like
the movie kind of moment and how we have both
taken it. I mean we're similar in some space, but
we're different in some others. First it's shock, right, so
it's like what the hell like is that even real?
And then the scientists. Then me stepped up and I
(11:01):
bought five pregnancy tests and we got tested at all
five positive. Then I'm like, babe, it's like ninety nine
point nine percent chance that you're pregnant. We got it
confirmed the next day with blood tests and yeah, no tears,
Like both me and my wife, I think we could
give it like better criers. Me personally, I'm really like stoic.
(11:24):
I'm a very strong person, very like alpha male type
of personality. So yeah, but definitely some happiness excitement meet
my brain. It automatically steps into like planning and you know,
like rational steps. Nadia, my wife, she's quite good with
that as well. We're using Tragic quite a lot to
(11:47):
get informed on that. And I think anxiety started to
step in, Like officially last week I was doing this
Spartan race. This weekend, I finished fourth, which is pretty good.
Like last weekend, my ultrate degree, so that was great.
But yeah, I experienced some anxiety.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
First.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I don't like flying right as a digital man. This
may be weird, but yeah, it's like I'm sure, but
I think that eased up like yesterday and today, right,
I'm taking a day by day. I think it's a
biochemical state as well. My body was destroyed after fifty
five kilometers and sixty obstacles, So that's that's me so far.
(12:28):
And yeah, with me, you won't get a short answer.
You will always get like a long, potentially boring answer.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You are one of the most transparent people I know.
I gotta laugh with you, not at you that you
said that the baby was a project, and so yeah,
it's almost like with my son in law, Henry, my
grandson and first two moved off of the spreadsheet as
(12:59):
an eye him as a project to it's Henry and
he is you know, So it's it'll be it'll be
great to stay up with you and talk to you,
especially one year after the birth, to say, uh, see
where the project is.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh yeah, it'll be interesting. One last thing I'll add.
Yesterday we listened to the heartbeat and another reaction. Well, first,
it's just pure fucking fascination, right, just hearing the heartbeats, Like,
how is this even possible? So the baby is this
size right now, it's the size of a grain of rice,
(13:42):
and this thing has a heart that's beating. So one,
the nature bart right, like how does this happens? Like
a miracle, And second the technology that we humans created
to hear that heart beat. So that that was my
reaction yesterday, like just sure fascination, and it's it's the
(14:02):
greatest song I've ever heard, like the hard Yeah, it's
the greatest song that I've ever heard. That I'll just
leave it to this.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
That's all you need to say. You're already in the groove.
You're already becoming a different emotional being so perfect. This morning,
in preparation of our conversation, I met with a dad
with two boys who's decided that the education world is
(14:34):
inadequate for his sons. He just sold his company to
Ali Baba and now he's turned his attention to the gap,
and so his company is all about a growth mindset
making sure his sons learn how to learn. Without getting
into more nit behind it, other than you want to
(14:57):
raise kids that are resilient, emotionally intelligent, agile. I would
love for you to comment today before that baby is
born about why is it important for your offspring to
learn how to learn?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah? And yeah, just that you had that coincidence, I'm
about to sign another client that I talked to earlier
this morning, so I also talked about that this morning
with Pool Kid from Strife. Matt's a y combinator founder
living in Singapore, so we got to talk about that. Yeah,
(15:35):
the education bat is just something that has always mattered
to me because I was a little rebeled, you know,
and I had way more to offer to the world
than just just being good at filling tests, you know.
And I think it's society messed out on that. So
I think this guy's onto something. First, the Alibaba exit
(15:57):
is huge, right, Like that's congress to him. It's an
event that I didn't have in my life so far.
I've always been a cash flow agency, bootstrap guy, but
an exit is quite epic as an event. It's very
hard to get. And second, the conventional education pad I
absolutely need. Think it's vital for the next generation to
(16:21):
get on a different path because AI is changing the
full game. I think the future is fully entrepreneurial. I
think that if I have the choice between a human
or an AI agent, I'll choose the AI agent right
now as a capitalist right and I've already done that
with my business. Last time I had employees, I had
(16:41):
two hundred of them ish and that was four years ago.
I let all of them go and I replaced them
with automations and AI. There's two ways to view this.
The one is the emotional win. The second one is
the business owner the business minded way. And it makes
all sorts of sense to do so. It's not necessarily
my duty to, you know, like pay these people to
(17:05):
pay myself first, right, like my family, my own community first,
and then to look after the others. So I did that,
and I think both business owners will actually take that
decision the next couple of years now that we'll leave
a bunch of people jobless. These people they have two
choices at this level, whether they go on UBI in
a couple of years from now or they develop their
(17:28):
own company. I think they'll choose the latter. Humans are
quite gritty, right, So with that being said, I think
school is teaching humans to be good agents, while humans
need to learn to manage agents and to understand ais
and be part of that futuristic market. Like I said,
(17:49):
back then, I was thrown in the market and I
didn't have a clue, and I don't think it's better nowadays.
Interns they get exploited right because they don't have mentors.
Not even their parents know like how to guide them.
Most parents they're too busy with their jobs. They're burnt out.
They don't have much brains left for their children's and
(18:10):
some parents it's unfortunate, but their kids are even smarter
than them, you know, like the kid is asking for
help with their own work, but the parents doesn't even know.
They're too burned and they never had themselves that education.
So what I'm getting with this is that the school
system needs to change. We need to teach kids how
to use AI, like quite directly, have AI or tragic
(18:34):
on the phone, have them chat with that AI, ask
them questions, being curious, still have the social touch with
their friends. Play sports, for sure. Sports should be mandatory.
In my opinion, It's helped, you know, and it's biochemicals,
and I think, yeah, the human body is meant to move.
We sort of forgot that to our own detriment in
(18:56):
the last couple of years. And my school co U
need it would be incorporating sports, it would be incorporating
twenty to fifty to twenty CEOs or founders per day
that would speak to their children. The children would have
their podcasts, they would ask questions to adults. They would
be treated as adults. Why are we treating children as children? Like,
(19:20):
I'm still playing nowadays, I'm still having fun. It doesn't
mean that you're being an adult is about not having fun.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
We're treating children's I feel sometimes as adults just to
feel superior to them, right, But a kid. Actually, it's
been my experience that kids learned way faster than adults,
and like, if you put me with a kid with
an open mind, he'll learn so much faster with the
right method, rather than an adult that started in a
(19:51):
category of its own. They have their own mindset, and
they're so hard to teach because they have their preconceived
their pre connected neurons, right to destroy all of that
before I teach something new. They have ego, they have identity, right,
So I just think it's starts. It's time we start
teaching our kids something different. That is not like working
(20:12):
at a corporation, right, It's about more being human, which
which is being gritty, which is starting your own thing. Yes,
having some kind of role in society, but being more independent.
So that's my two cents on the topic. Not all
we'll agree, but I think you don't have a choice. Ultimately,
in the next couple of years, AIS is coming in,
(20:34):
and if we keep our kids in schools in the
nine to five school they're just gonna break when it's
gonna be time to enter the market.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
That's right, well said. We need to take a quick
break here, and I want you to give out information
on your company. If any of our listeners have heard
something that has just insided them got to contact you
and learn more about your company. How do they do that?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, to please that agency if they want GTM help.
The school that I described is called Ceouni dot com
and on me it's Charles Cormier dot com.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Very good. We will be right back with this special message,
and I think it's Marcus Aurelius for all of you
stoics out there, so standing by, and we are back
with Charles Cormier. We're going to wrap up this show
and talk about a couple of other things relative to
(21:36):
him before fatherhood. We got the what scares you most?
I think out of one answer, you are, in my opinion,
right now, on your own race. You've got all these
businesses in the short period of time that I know you.
(21:58):
You are a master connector of people. You pride yourself
in the number of connections and meetings that you have
every day. Hopefully you don't pride yourself the number of
podcasts like this that you do every day. But you're
on this. You're going so fast, and you're on this
(22:18):
race in this world of noise and hustle. What are
you willing to slow down? For?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
My health? For sure? Like health is always number one, right,
and I do it already. I've actually never really slowed
down because I have systems, you know, like I'm quite
the systematic gume. Being extreme would just be like, I
don't know, working for twenty four hours and not sleeping
right but before or almost at the same time as
(22:49):
being an entrepreneur, I've always been a bio hacker. So
I sleep well, I supplement well. All of that's very scientific, right,
and I observe symptoms in my body. I analyze myself
a lot, I ponder upon events. Doesn't mean that I'll
(23:10):
get slap across the face every now and then, but
health is always number one, right. My budget for health
is unlimited, so and my family's budget for health is unlimited.
I'll slow down for my family, of course, like my
wife my dogs, right, I dedicate that time to my dogs.
Every morning. I go for a walk with them, and
(23:33):
so because I want or love walking, but it's just
nice to see them have been running around. So and
yeah'll slow down for my kids for sure. Like that
that may like overrun like pretty much everything that that
prediction I'm willing to make.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
That's a great prediction. Last question for you is about playing.
I have observed some very high power entrepreneurs who have
to come off of their throne to sit down on
the floor and play with their children, And I go,
it's sad and I'm wondering what squeezed the play out
(24:16):
of them. So want you to tell me how close
you are to being that playful little boy, so you
can be a child to a child and be on
the carpet right at their level.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, you're speaking to one right now. Like I am.
I'm aligned, but I'm also a child, you know, Like
every day I finish my day with my dogs on
my roofblane boxing, doing archery, you know, like I have
all kinds of toys here. I'm a child for sure,
Like why why would I not be? You know, like
(24:54):
I'm creative, I'm open minded and coming down of my troll.
Like what troll?
Speaker 3 (24:59):
You know?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Like when you do ultra events like I do, you
get humble pretty much all the fucking time?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Last weekend, right, I finished forward. That was a good result.
I was like fifty five kids, Well so longer than
the last one. But yeah, man, did I get man?
Did I got humble on that race?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Right?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Like I started the race kilometer number two I bang
my knee very hard against a wall. There's like a
golf ball that appears, and I'm trying to run, you know,
like you gotta laugh at yourself. It's just so funny,
like the guy just hurt himself and now he's trying
to run limping. I got over that, but like two
(25:42):
kilometers later, at kilometer five, I twist my ankle real
bad trying to pop an upstacle. So now I have
my left nenuts messed up. I also have my right
ankle and I felt trying to run the thing. So
that started the race. And then and I think what
justified that, right, is that my gut was not feeling well,
(26:06):
which I thought I had fixed over the years, but yeah,
not that time, because of whatever circumstances, right, Like is
it the Starbucks that I ate the day before? Whatever?
So when you get humbled like that. And I came
into that race being like, oh, this is training, this
will be training for my one hundred and ten k
And at kilometer six, life was like no, no, Sun,
(26:28):
You're gonna have a lesson today and now you're limping.
Your stomach is shit. You need to revisit all your strategy.
So so yeah, that was the beginning of my race,
you know, And certainly enough all of that overturned the
second loop of the race, like at kilometer twenty seven,
and things started going well because I'm patient, you know,
(26:51):
and I know how to laugh at myself, like who
am I? You know, like I'm ambitious for sure, yes
I'm successful, but I know that all of that could
disappear tomorrow, right, Like I could die tomorrow on my
sports bike. I could anything could happen to me, And yeah,
that's life. That's why it's exciting as well, and that's
(27:11):
why you need to play through it because it is
that stressful. But the stress is also what makes it exciting.
So play plays the name of the game. If you're
not playing, Like is that even worth living for? It's
probably not. And last shout out, I've run a newsletter
that's called what is it called Founder Humor, Yes, and
(27:34):
I think that when you know how to make fun
of yourself and using AI at the same time, in
fun of situations, right, because you and I we speak
to so many people on our podcasts and people are
straight up weird though sometimes and it's just is this
so interesting and fun and playful to to create these
(27:55):
AI scenarios right and share it with the world, so
if people want to some of the fun that I'm having,
which obviously it helps with my mental health and all that. Again,
check out this this substick newsletter.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
That is great. Charles can't wait to have the next
podcast with you. But in the in the time between
now and when your baby is born, stay humorous, stay
light footed, stay playful, and take care of your wife
(28:32):
as if she is the Queen of Sheba, because she
will deserve it and you'll you'll know more about that
as the time approaches. So thank you so much. It
is so great to know you and the Charles story
will continue here on Truly Significant. Thank you so much,
Thank you, rig you bet and folks, as we always
(28:55):
say here, we wish you success on your way to
significance and we hope that you will go to truly
significant dot com today and lift someone up. Have a
good week.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
M m hm
This is Marcus Aurelius reappearing to proclaim that truly significant
conversations with big hearted people is a rare piece of literature.
This book reminds me of one of my more stirring quotes,
waste no more time arguing what a good man should
be be one. If you're stepping into your next life
(00:26):
chapter of your career and questioning what lies beyond success,
this book is for you. Dive into forty soul stirring
stories from luminaries like doctor Jane Goodall, ed Asner, and
Emily Chang, stories that urge you to pursue purpose, serve others,
(00:49):
and build a legacy that outlasts you. Authored by Rick Tolkini,
Truly Significant will challenge your view of success and ignite
a life of impact. Order now at TinyURL dot com,
backslash truly Significant and begin living intentionally. Maybe your epitaph
(01:13):
will read she gave outrageously extended grace unceasingly and lived
to help others.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So that death found her empty.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Visit truly significant dot com and celebrate the most truly
significant people in your life with the truly Significant community.
How bold of you to make your next chapter matter
and be Truly Significant.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
And welcome back to Truly Significant dot com Presents. I'm
Rick Tokini. Our very special guest today is Charles Cormier,
and it's almost as if we have been lifelong friends,
even though we've known each other for maybe a week.
I went through charles meditation session this afternoon with three
strangers I knew nothing about. They turned out to be
(02:15):
good people, good friends. Charles is a contemporary founder CEO
behind a portfolio of a great group of companies including
Podpyre Tie, top Leads, Agency Listraad dot Com and on
and on and on, honest to Goodness, serial entrepreneur, butt people.
(02:35):
This show is about significance, so he and his wife
are expecting. So today's show is going to be part
of one of two series, and we're going to talk
to Charles about what it's like in anticipation of his
offspring coming. Welcome Charles to Truly Significant.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Thanks, Rick and youah the like we've known each other
thing Maybe because we've interviewed a bunch of people on
bolt of our podcasts right and podcasters like you and
I are a special breed. I really like these people.
They know how to ask good questions. They know how
to listen, they're curious, they're open minded. So yeah, that
(03:16):
me explain why it must.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
And I want to jump right into this topic because
this is going to be a time for you, perhaps
to wax philosophically. You've coached so many people in businesses
and you've done some remarkable things. But now you're about
(03:41):
to build something of the heart, and I want to
know what kind of a legacy do you envision for
your child to say that you left behind someday.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yes, an important question. I've built many things from the
heart throughout the years. I built a quite large company
in the last ten years and I've managed over two
thousand employees. I paid over two thousand people large amounts
of money, so I think that was pretty generous. It
(04:18):
wasn't so profitable, right Like, I pivoted to full AI
and the last couple of years, and I think I
did my fair shot. I could do better. That is one,
So that's like one space that I'm actively working on,
although I donate large amounts of money every months to
various organizations. And two, I think I could work on
(04:40):
something more relevant than just generating leads. Although product market
fit and go to market is really important, right, and
I work with a pretty impactful company. I'll start with that.
Then you question a legacy, right, I don't think I've
left a legacy so far, except probably that podcast recordings,
(05:01):
if that can be counted as such. So I think
I have massive work to do on that level, and
when I have a kid. One of my attempts to
create a legacy this year was my new company, my
new offspring called Ceouni dot com. It's actually an AI
school for kids, and I think that's what's closest to
(05:24):
my heart in terms of legacy one for my kid, right,
because it's like I would be understanding how brain works
and how brain evolves, and so I think it would
be a great service to the world just to teach
young ambitious, energetic kid to start a business, to learn meditation,
(05:45):
to learn how to live, to learn how to have
a great relationship, to contribute to this world, and to
be a better human being, which are all things that
weren't taught to us in school. We were taught to
be good grade at fillers and the testers and just
(06:05):
like being a good cookie cutter type of student and
listen to the teacher, right, And I had a very
hard time with that system myself. As an ambitious kid.
I was always smart at school and good at school,
but I was never rewarded by that. So if I
would have to leave a legacy, I think it would
(06:27):
be in form of a business one, because I don't
believe in nonprofits really, or at least in my own context.
I need to be capitalistically wired, which we can discuss about,
but I think that would be my main legacy for now,
and eventually participating in the race of a jib because,
like Sam Altman says, he said he loves saying that,
(06:50):
which is sort of controversial, but it's like my kid
will never be smarter than an AI, and I think
he's right. I think there's a better way to say this,
because as human and a kid can still be more
valuable to society than an AI and an agi. But
eventually I would be into that race, and that would
be ultimately my legacy because I do think that AI
(07:13):
is the greatest tool to magnify value to this world.
So long and so short.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, beautifully stated, and I bet that will evolve as
your years as a dad evolves, and I just I
just know that, and I want to tell your dad
to dad when you're there in the hospital and you're
holding your little one for the first time, your life
(07:43):
will be transformed, of course, and it may be already.
And I want to know what are you what are
you thinking about right now as a future dad, and
what are some of the I don't hate to use
the word anxious or worried, but what are some of
the things that have been stirring in your head, maybe
in the middle of the night, about this upcoming stage
(08:06):
of your life?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Right? Yeah, definitely some anxiety. I won't hide that. I'm
also preparing for one hundred and ten gay right, and
I'm running a business that's generating fifteen to thirty leads
per day, so that's a lot to manage, but I
like it that way. I'm quite busy. I have five
dogs as well, and a whole bunch of it are
(08:29):
interesting and crazy life areas. So I will say, well, one,
it's an interesting Beth, right, because I'm sort of an
alien as a person, and I don't think I'll fundamentally change.
Of course, I'll have different chemistry into me, and I
will spend more of my time with my kids and
(08:50):
they will become certainly a strong purpose. But I don't
like most parents. I don't want to dedicate like my
full life to my kids. I do have, I will
have tons of love for them, but I don't want
to be one a helicopter parent. I'm not saying you
were right, and I'm not saying most parents are, but
I also want to teach them freedom right. And my
(09:13):
parents did a very very good job with me. But
I felt at eighteen years old that I was thrown
into this market and I didn't have a clue of
like how it worked, you know, And fortunately I found
a good mentor right like the I was just ill
prepared to be by my own right to live my
(09:34):
own life, to have my own apartment, and it was wild.
I'm a wild persons. I just like decided to pack
a suitcase and travel the world. I met my wife
in Mohaka all these years ago. But I also want
to teach my kids like independence right, and I want
to go more for quality time rather than quality So
(09:55):
that aside answering your question, well, with me and my wife,
we've always wanted kid, Yeah, wanted kids. I think at
some stage of the relationship it was way more obvious
in the last couple of years because we've been talking
about it. We only started that project like actively wanting
to have kids and doing the work right like about
(10:18):
sixty seven months ago, and as we're like both busy professionally,
it was hard, you know, like we didn't know if
we could get pregnant actually, so it was a hell
of the news when we received that the other day,
and my wife, like just the night before was just like, yeah,
I want to get pregnant, and it started. It's such
(10:40):
a bummer. And then the next day she does the
pregnancy test and she got it. So it was like
the movie kind of moment and how we have both
taken it. I mean we're similar in some space, but
we're different in some others. First it's shock, right, so
it's like what the hell like is that even real?
And then the scientists. Then me stepped up and I
(11:01):
bought five pregnancy tests and we got tested at all
five positive. Then I'm like, babe, it's like ninety nine
point nine percent chance that you're pregnant. We got it
confirmed the next day with blood tests and yeah, no tears,
Like both me and my wife, I think we could
give it like better criers. Me personally, I'm really like stoic.
(11:24):
I'm a very strong person, very like alpha male type
of personality. So yeah, but definitely some happiness excitement meet
my brain. It automatically steps into like planning and you know,
like rational steps. Nadia, my wife, she's quite good with
that as well. We're using Tragic quite a lot to
(11:47):
get informed on that. And I think anxiety started to
step in, Like officially last week I was doing this
Spartan race. This weekend, I finished fourth, which is pretty good.
Like last weekend, my ultrate degree, so that was great.
But yeah, I experienced some anxiety.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
First.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I don't like flying right as a digital man. This
may be weird, but yeah, it's like I'm sure, but
I think that eased up like yesterday and today, right,
I'm taking a day by day. I think it's a
biochemical state as well. My body was destroyed after fifty
five kilometers and sixty obstacles, So that's that's me so far.
(12:28):
And yeah, with me, you won't get a short answer.
You will always get like a long, potentially boring answer.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You are one of the most transparent people I know.
I gotta laugh with you, not at you that you
said that the baby was a project, and so yeah,
it's almost like with my son in law, Henry, my
grandson and first two moved off of the spreadsheet as
(12:59):
an eye him as a project to it's Henry and
he is you know, So it's it'll be it'll be
great to stay up with you and talk to you,
especially one year after the birth, to say, uh, see
where the project is.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh yeah, it'll be interesting. One last thing I'll add.
Yesterday we listened to the heartbeat and another reaction. Well, first,
it's just pure fucking fascination, right, just hearing the heartbeats, Like,
how is this even possible? So the baby is this
size right now, it's the size of a grain of rice,
(13:42):
and this thing has a heart that's beating. So one,
the nature bart right, like how does this happens? Like
a miracle, And second the technology that we humans created
to hear that heart beat. So that that was my
reaction yesterday, like just sure fascination, and it's it's the
(14:02):
greatest song I've ever heard, like the hard Yeah, it's
the greatest song that I've ever heard. That I'll just
leave it to this.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
That's all you need to say. You're already in the groove.
You're already becoming a different emotional being so perfect. This morning,
in preparation of our conversation, I met with a dad
with two boys who's decided that the education world is
(14:34):
inadequate for his sons. He just sold his company to
Ali Baba and now he's turned his attention to the gap,
and so his company is all about a growth mindset
making sure his sons learn how to learn. Without getting
into more nit behind it, other than you want to
(14:57):
raise kids that are resilient, emotionally intelligent, agile. I would
love for you to comment today before that baby is
born about why is it important for your offspring to
learn how to learn?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah? And yeah, just that you had that coincidence, I'm
about to sign another client that I talked to earlier
this morning, so I also talked about that this morning
with Pool Kid from Strife. Matt's a y combinator founder
living in Singapore, so we got to talk about that. Yeah,
(15:35):
the education bat is just something that has always mattered
to me because I was a little rebeled, you know,
and I had way more to offer to the world
than just just being good at filling tests, you know.
And I think it's society messed out on that. So
I think this guy's onto something. First, the Alibaba exit
(15:57):
is huge, right, Like that's congress to him. It's an
event that I didn't have in my life so far.
I've always been a cash flow agency, bootstrap guy, but
an exit is quite epic as an event. It's very
hard to get. And second, the conventional education pad I
absolutely need. Think it's vital for the next generation to
(16:21):
get on a different path because AI is changing the
full game. I think the future is fully entrepreneurial. I
think that if I have the choice between a human
or an AI agent, I'll choose the AI agent right
now as a capitalist right and I've already done that
with my business. Last time I had employees, I had
(16:41):
two hundred of them ish and that was four years ago.
I let all of them go and I replaced them
with automations and AI. There's two ways to view this.
The one is the emotional win. The second one is
the business owner the business minded way. And it makes
all sorts of sense to do so. It's not necessarily
my duty to, you know, like pay these people to
(17:05):
pay myself first, right, like my family, my own community first,
and then to look after the others. So I did that,
and I think both business owners will actually take that
decision the next couple of years now that we'll leave
a bunch of people jobless. These people they have two
choices at this level, whether they go on UBI in
a couple of years from now or they develop their
(17:28):
own company. I think they'll choose the latter. Humans are
quite gritty, right, So with that being said, I think
school is teaching humans to be good agents, while humans
need to learn to manage agents and to understand ais
and be part of that futuristic market. Like I said,
(17:49):
back then, I was thrown in the market and I
didn't have a clue, and I don't think it's better nowadays.
Interns they get exploited right because they don't have mentors.
Not even their parents know like how to guide them.
Most parents they're too busy with their jobs. They're burnt out.
They don't have much brains left for their children's and
(18:10):
some parents it's unfortunate, but their kids are even smarter
than them, you know, like the kid is asking for
help with their own work, but the parents doesn't even know.
They're too burned and they never had themselves that education.
So what I'm getting with this is that the school
system needs to change. We need to teach kids how
to use AI, like quite directly, have AI or tragic
(18:34):
on the phone, have them chat with that AI, ask
them questions, being curious, still have the social touch with
their friends. Play sports, for sure. Sports should be mandatory.
In my opinion, It's helped, you know, and it's biochemicals,
and I think, yeah, the human body is meant to move.
We sort of forgot that to our own detriment in
(18:56):
the last couple of years. And my school co U
need it would be incorporating sports, it would be incorporating
twenty to fifty to twenty CEOs or founders per day
that would speak to their children. The children would have
their podcasts, they would ask questions to adults. They would
be treated as adults. Why are we treating children as children? Like,
(19:20):
I'm still playing nowadays, I'm still having fun. It doesn't
mean that you're being an adult is about not having fun.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
We're treating children's I feel sometimes as adults just to
feel superior to them, right, But a kid. Actually, it's
been my experience that kids learned way faster than adults,
and like, if you put me with a kid with
an open mind, he'll learn so much faster with the
right method, rather than an adult that started in a
(19:51):
category of its own. They have their own mindset, and
they're so hard to teach because they have their preconceived
their pre connected neurons, right to destroy all of that
before I teach something new. They have ego, they have identity, right,
So I just think it's starts. It's time we start
teaching our kids something different. That is not like working
(20:12):
at a corporation, right, It's about more being human, which
which is being gritty, which is starting your own thing. Yes,
having some kind of role in society, but being more independent.
So that's my two cents on the topic. Not all
we'll agree, but I think you don't have a choice. Ultimately,
in the next couple of years, AIS is coming in,
(20:34):
and if we keep our kids in schools in the
nine to five school they're just gonna break when it's
gonna be time to enter the market.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
That's right, well said. We need to take a quick
break here, and I want you to give out information
on your company. If any of our listeners have heard
something that has just insided them got to contact you
and learn more about your company. How do they do that?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, to please that agency if they want GTM help.
The school that I described is called Ceouni dot com
and on me it's Charles Cormier dot com.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Very good. We will be right back with this special message,
and I think it's Marcus Aurelius for all of you
stoics out there, so standing by, and we are back
with Charles Cormier. We're going to wrap up this show
and talk about a couple of other things relative to
(21:36):
him before fatherhood. We got the what scares you most?
I think out of one answer, you are, in my opinion,
right now, on your own race. You've got all these
businesses in the short period of time that I know you.
(21:58):
You are a master connector of people. You pride yourself
in the number of connections and meetings that you have
every day. Hopefully you don't pride yourself the number of
podcasts like this that you do every day. But you're
on this. You're going so fast, and you're on this
(22:18):
race in this world of noise and hustle. What are
you willing to slow down? For?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
My health? For sure? Like health is always number one, right,
and I do it already. I've actually never really slowed
down because I have systems, you know, like I'm quite
the systematic gume. Being extreme would just be like, I
don't know, working for twenty four hours and not sleeping
right but before or almost at the same time as
(22:49):
being an entrepreneur, I've always been a bio hacker. So
I sleep well, I supplement well. All of that's very scientific, right,
and I observe symptoms in my body. I analyze myself
a lot, I ponder upon events. Doesn't mean that I'll
(23:10):
get slap across the face every now and then, but
health is always number one, right. My budget for health
is unlimited, so and my family's budget for health is unlimited.
I'll slow down for my family, of course, like my
wife my dogs, right, I dedicate that time to my dogs.
Every morning. I go for a walk with them, and
(23:33):
so because I want or love walking, but it's just
nice to see them have been running around. So and
yeah'll slow down for my kids for sure. Like that
that may like overrun like pretty much everything that that
prediction I'm willing to make.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
That's a great prediction. Last question for you is about playing.
I have observed some very high power entrepreneurs who have
to come off of their throne to sit down on
the floor and play with their children, And I go,
it's sad and I'm wondering what squeezed the play out
(24:16):
of them. So want you to tell me how close
you are to being that playful little boy, so you
can be a child to a child and be on
the carpet right at their level.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, you're speaking to one right now. Like I am.
I'm aligned, but I'm also a child, you know, Like
every day I finish my day with my dogs on
my roofblane boxing, doing archery, you know, like I have
all kinds of toys here. I'm a child for sure,
Like why why would I not be? You know, like
(24:54):
I'm creative, I'm open minded and coming down of my troll.
Like what troll?
Speaker 3 (24:59):
You know?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Like when you do ultra events like I do, you
get humble pretty much all the fucking time?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Last weekend, right, I finished forward. That was a good result.
I was like fifty five kids, Well so longer than
the last one. But yeah, man, did I get man?
Did I got humble on that race?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Right?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Like I started the race kilometer number two I bang
my knee very hard against a wall. There's like a
golf ball that appears, and I'm trying to run, you know,
like you gotta laugh at yourself. It's just so funny,
like the guy just hurt himself and now he's trying
to run limping. I got over that, but like two
(25:42):
kilometers later, at kilometer five, I twist my ankle real
bad trying to pop an upstacle. So now I have
my left nenuts messed up. I also have my right
ankle and I felt trying to run the thing. So
that started the race. And then and I think what
justified that, right, is that my gut was not feeling well,
(26:06):
which I thought I had fixed over the years, but yeah,
not that time, because of whatever circumstances, right, Like is
it the Starbucks that I ate the day before? Whatever?
So when you get humbled like that. And I came
into that race being like, oh, this is training, this
will be training for my one hundred and ten k
And at kilometer six, life was like no, no, Sun,
(26:28):
You're gonna have a lesson today and now you're limping.
Your stomach is shit. You need to revisit all your strategy.
So so yeah, that was the beginning of my race,
you know, And certainly enough all of that overturned the
second loop of the race, like at kilometer twenty seven,
and things started going well because I'm patient, you know,
(26:51):
and I know how to laugh at myself, like who
am I? You know, like I'm ambitious for sure, yes
I'm successful, but I know that all of that could
disappear tomorrow, right, Like I could die tomorrow on my
sports bike. I could anything could happen to me, And yeah,
that's life. That's why it's exciting as well, and that's
(27:11):
why you need to play through it because it is
that stressful. But the stress is also what makes it exciting.
So play plays the name of the game. If you're
not playing, Like is that even worth living for? It's
probably not. And last shout out, I've run a newsletter
that's called what is it called Founder Humor, Yes, and
(27:34):
I think that when you know how to make fun
of yourself and using AI at the same time, in
fun of situations, right, because you and I we speak
to so many people on our podcasts and people are
straight up weird though sometimes and it's just is this
so interesting and fun and playful to to create these
(27:55):
AI scenarios right and share it with the world, so
if people want to some of the fun that I'm having,
which obviously it helps with my mental health and all that. Again,
check out this this substick newsletter.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
That is great. Charles can't wait to have the next
podcast with you. But in the in the time between
now and when your baby is born, stay humorous, stay
light footed, stay playful, and take care of your wife
(28:32):
as if she is the Queen of Sheba, because she
will deserve it and you'll you'll know more about that
as the time approaches. So thank you so much. It
is so great to know you and the Charles story
will continue here on Truly Significant. Thank you so much,
Thank you, rig you bet and folks, as we always
(28:55):
say here, we wish you success on your way to
significance and we hope that you will go to truly
significant dot com today and lift someone up. Have a
good week.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
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