November 9, 2025 • 15 mins
Pico Iyer is our travel hero. His many books have taught us that real travel puts away our biases and gives us the deepest understanding of culture. He has awakened us with clear eyes to travel as a pilgrimage with a soulful intention. In our post human pace, he shuns speeds for quietness and fills our inner bank with sanity and reason.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
And welcome back to Success Made to Last. I'm Rick Tokeiny.
Our very special guest today is Pico Iyer. He has
been on our Transformed Travel show many times and he's
back on today. Pico is a graduate of Oxford and
was also educated at Harvard and has been writing books
(00:33):
on travel since nineteen eighty six. He's spent his life
in Japan, He's been at a Benedictine hermitage in California,
He's lived all over Pico, how are you doing today?
Very well?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Thank you on our.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Transformed Travel show, which is a part of Success Made
to Last. We have three top influencers in our lifetime
and Pico, you happen to be one of the three.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
My gosh, I'm really on that. Well, it's a delight
to be here and to talk to you at last.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Let me quote you. Notice how chaos turns into order.
You went on to say that the more we see
of someplace, the less enticing it becomes. Such profound words
to us, and today we want to talk to you
about your book Sacred Places Wonderful.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well, you know, this was a really exciting show for
me because it's on the theme of pilgrimage and they
got together two people who had never met before. One
was myself and one was a professor of anthropology called
Zeila Mendoza. And Professor Mendozo is from Peru, and she
spent decades investigating every last detail of one particular pilgrimage
(01:56):
in her home country, so she knows everything about that.
And the opposite extreme because I'm not grounded in any
one tradition, but I've spent my life, as you know,
traveling from Jerusalem to Tibet, to Rome to Varanazi, watching
other people's pilgrimages. So soiler gives us an intense look
(02:16):
at one particular experience, and I try to give an
overview of why people will always go in pilgrimages and
always be drawn to some untapped light at the heart
of them.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yes, the comparison is brilliant. There is such stark contrast there.
Let's start with a baseline question for you. Why do
people want to take pilgrimages.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I think they want to come closer to what's at
the heart of them. And so just as you say,
the forms are very different, but I think the spirit
is the same. And a Tibetan Buddhist when he goes
to rome can understand why Catholics are coming to the
Vatican as surely as a Catholic walking around the joking
temple in love that will understand that impulse. And you know,
I'm often moved by that line in Shakespeare when Romeo
(03:06):
first meets Juliet, he calls himself a pilgrim, and I
think that's a way of saying the pilgrimage is how
we forget about the trivial stuff in life and try
to go to the core of what's in us and
what's in the world.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You've often quoted about abstracts. Why do people travel to
avoid a loss of abstraction.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'd say two things. The first is that it's a
wonderful thing to sit in Colorado or California and read
the Bible. But there's no experience to compare with walking
around the Old City of Jerusalem. Under you are the
same stones that were there when Jesus walk them. People
are recreating the walk along the twelve Stations of the Cross.
(03:50):
They're kissing the ground where Jesus is said to have
been crucified, And the intensity and the passion and the
way that that place gets inside you is like nothing
on earth. And really like nothing you could experience here.
So suddenly those great heroes like Jesus who have been
names and principles and ideas to us living beings by
(04:10):
our side as they should always be. But go to
a place like Jerusalem and the door swings open, and
you feel there's no barrier between right now and twenty
and fifteen years ago. And I think the other reason
I love travel generally is just to try to put
a face or a voice to a foreign place. As
long as it's a foreign place, it's a it's just
(04:33):
a word or an abstraction in our head. But when
you go to a place like North Korea, I was
just back there. Suddenly it's not just a dark, scary force.
It's people trying to support their parents, and kids playing
in the street, and others who are suffering under a
very difficult system. And I've always felt that North Korea
is a kind of a scary place for us because
(04:55):
most North Koreans have never met an American, and so
if you've never met somebody, it's easy to be very
ruthless towards them. But in the same way, many of
us have never met in North Korean, and as soon
as you get off the plane there, Suddenly what was
just an idea in your head becomes a much more complex, exciting,
powerful reality.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Indeed, it's a deeper understanding of culture, putting us oute
prejudice and bias.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Exactly because I find that whenever I'm sitting here at
home in the US, if I think about Syria or
Cuba or Vietnam, the first thing I think about is
how different they are from us. Their systems are different,
their governments are opposed to ours, their traditions are different.
As soon as I get off the plane in Damascus
or Cuba and I get into a taxi, the taxi
(05:40):
driver is telling me how he doesn't like the state
of the economy, and he's worried about the predicament of
his kids, and he's just fallen in love with a woman,
and he sounds like any taxi driver in Denver or
Los Angeles. In other words, as soon as you confront
a place in the flesh, you're reminded of how similar
we are. From distance, you are you see the differences.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
That's right. Now. We understand how you spend time in
a monastery and what you accomplished there, But how does
that time prepare you for travel.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Oh, I think it transformed it because I think we
all know that when we enjoy a wonderful trip, we'll
spend ten or fourteen days collecting experiences and memories and emotions.
But for me, the real journey starts when I get home,
and I spend maybe the next ten or fourteen years
thinking about what I saw and trying to make sense
of it and incorporating it into my life. And so
(06:35):
I think the core of travel is sitting still and
putting everything you've experienced into a larger perspective. And so,
as you said, for the last twenty four years, I've
been living a lot of my life as a retreatment
in the Benedictine Hermitage. And it's only by stepping out
of the world and stepping away from the bombardment of
(06:55):
texts and cell phones and CNN updates that I can
really begin to understand my life and the world itself.
So I still spend a lot of my time there,
and it's almost as if being there has laid the
foundations for the house of my life, and travel has
allowed me to decorate the rooms of it. But really
the core of it, the way that I make my
(07:17):
life as opposed to making my living, takes place in stillness.
And I think, you know, that goes back to some
of what we talk about in this show on Pilgrimage,
because I've always loved that sentence by the great explorer
John Muir, who said that going out is going in.
In other words, Let's say you go next week to
Venice and you see all the beautiful canals. That's a
(07:37):
wonderful experience, but what you really take back with you
when you go home is some journey to some part
of yourself or some emotion or some intuition that you
never had before you went to Venice. In other words,
it's really an inner journey. And that's one reason I
was so excited to be on the show Global Spirits,
(07:58):
because it's the rare travel that's not about external travel
so much as internal travel. And in fact, you know,
the title of the show is Global Spirits, and I
wrote a book for the New Millennium in the year
two thousand called The Global Soul, so it's almost exactly
the same title, and I think it speaks for that
same principle, which is that whether you fall in love
or whether you go to Hawaii, tomorrow. The real part
(08:20):
is happening inside you. It's nothing to do with the snapshots.
It's much more to do with the memories and feelings.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So Well said recently, we went to ang or Watt
and what we did there was try to experience as locals.
And I'm certain that what we experience will forever have
changed this because we went there as a pilgrimage.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Beautiful. I so agree with that, because whenever I've had
a really good trip, when I come home, my message
to myself is, let me try to look around my
hometown with the same wide awake eyes I brought to
Ank or what or Iran or wherever it might happen
to be. And I don't often manage to live up
to that, but it's certainly a good idea. And every
(09:08):
now and then I'll come back to my mother's house
here in California. Now'll be jet lagged and kind of
tired and out of thoughts, and I'll just go for
a drive and I'll imagine I'm somebody from Cambodia who's
just arrived in California, and I'll realize that California or
Colorado or wherever you happen to live is probably one
of the most beautiful places on earth, if only you
can see it with the right eyes. And that's why,
(09:29):
you know, I think so many of the great pilgrims,
like Henry David Threau, realize that you can find heaven,
you can find whatever you need right at home, if only,
as you said, you can awaken those clear eyes and
that mindful spirit of being right here, right now.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Absolutely, And about pilgrimages, why should our listening audience consider
one this coming.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Year, Because I think we're surrounded by so many things
that aren't so important, the latest email we got, the newspaper,
what just was shown on TV. That our lives are
only as rich as our commitments to what is most significant,
And what is most significant to us is usually what
(10:14):
we find at the end of a pilgrimage. And a
pilgrimage doesn't have to be to the far corners of
the world. Just go and walk towards your neighborhood church
or your temple or a garden, or take a walk
in the wilderness. Leave your cellphone at home, go with
somebody you care about, and say, I am traveling with
wide awake eyes because I want to be transformed, and
(10:36):
I think the nature of travel is connected in all
those words, starting with trans like transport, transformation, and then transcendence,
so that when you come back from that walk, or
when you emerge from the church, you can feel richer, deeper,
and suttler. You realize that you're a slightly different person
from the one who went in an hour or even
(10:58):
twenty minutes before. And if undertaken in the right spirit,
I think any journey can become a pilgrimage. And when
you go to somewhere like the Vatican, you notice some
people are going as tourists and they're gathering snapshots, and
some of us are going as travelers to witness a
pilgrim But those people who are going as believers, who
really are putting their souls on the line, come back
(11:19):
with a glow. Their eyes are on fire, their beings
are transformed, and you realize they have brought so much
to the experience, they've taken away a huge amount too.
So I think the beauty of pilgrimage is it tells
us to risk everything and then we will get more
than we've ever imagined.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So the core of travel is to arrive back home
and begin to spend live in a transform way. Finally, Pico,
how can we as a fast paced audience on quiet
time to prepare for the act of transform travel and
(12:00):
to live seasonally?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yes, I love that question, and in fact I just
brought out a book from Ted Books called The Art
of Stillness, arguing that for a lifelong traveler like myself
or like you, the most important component is the stillness.
So I would say the beauty of quiet is it's
wherever you're it's right here, right now, and it doesn't
(12:22):
cost very much. That if you a young single mom
with two kids and you feel you don't have a
single moment to yourself, just ask a friend or your
mother or your husband to look after those kids for
twenty minutes, go for a walk around the block, or
go to a quiet place in the house and just
close your eyes, and you will have so much more
to bring to those kids, or indeed to your next
(12:44):
travel experience. When you step into the car today to
drive thirty minutes to the grocery store, turn off the
radio and just take a vacation in your head and
let your mind go running like a dog on the
beach without its Tenor if you go to the health
club and you're walking on treadmill, don't turn on the TV,
and suddenly you've got a wide open space in your
(13:05):
day and in your head where you can come up
with things that will transform the rest of your day
and perhaps the rest of your life. And we all
know that things are accelerating such a pace now. It's
kind of a post human pace that our big luxury
is slowness, going nowhere and paying attention. But the beauty
of it is, as I say, you don't have to
(13:26):
go far away to find it. You don't have to
spend a lot of money. All you have to do
is make the effort. And I know I have some
friends who go for a run every morning and which
they come back from the run with a whole inner
bank of quietness inside them. Or some people will do yoga,
or some people will meditate, some people will cook, some
people will go for hikes. I think we all have
(13:49):
our own ways of doing it, but we realize that
if we don't bring quietness into our life, it's not
going to come to us from the TV or the
computer or anything external, and we're going to get dizzy
and we'll feel like we're on an accelerating roller. Coaster
that we never really wanted to get on that now
we don't know how to get off. So I think
it's a matter of almost keeping one's sanity and keeping
(14:10):
one's balance and just being able to do justice to
all the experiences that are coming in on us every day.
So I think every traveler loves movement, but every traveler
knows that the heart of movement is what you do
and how you can process things in absolute stillness.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Pico, thank you so much for being on our success
made to last travel show. We really appreciate you and
your wonderful wisdom.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Thank you so much. Rick, It's been a real delight,
and I love the notion of transformation that you're spreading
around the world. So please keep it up and thank
you for the welcome.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Matt, thank you so much. That was Pico Iyer, one
of our favorite travel writers, great man of wisdom. We
hope that you enjoyed him today and we hope that
by listening to his wisdom you will choose to live
and create a life that matters. Until next time, have
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And welcome back to Success Made to Last. I'm Rick Tokeiny.
Our very special guest today is Pico Iyer. He has
been on our Transformed Travel show many times and he's
back on today. Pico is a graduate of Oxford and
was also educated at Harvard and has been writing books
(00:33):
on travel since nineteen eighty six. He's spent his life
in Japan, He's been at a Benedictine hermitage in California,
He's lived all over Pico, how are you doing today?
Very well?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Thank you on our.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Transformed Travel show, which is a part of Success Made
to Last. We have three top influencers in our lifetime
and Pico, you happen to be one of the three.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
My gosh, I'm really on that. Well, it's a delight
to be here and to talk to you at last.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Let me quote you. Notice how chaos turns into order.
You went on to say that the more we see
of someplace, the less enticing it becomes. Such profound words
to us, and today we want to talk to you
about your book Sacred Places Wonderful.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well, you know, this was a really exciting show for
me because it's on the theme of pilgrimage and they
got together two people who had never met before. One
was myself and one was a professor of anthropology called
Zeila Mendoza. And Professor Mendozo is from Peru, and she
spent decades investigating every last detail of one particular pilgrimage
(01:56):
in her home country, so she knows everything about that.
And the opposite extreme because I'm not grounded in any
one tradition, but I've spent my life, as you know,
traveling from Jerusalem to Tibet, to Rome to Varanazi, watching
other people's pilgrimages. So soiler gives us an intense look
(02:16):
at one particular experience, and I try to give an
overview of why people will always go in pilgrimages and
always be drawn to some untapped light at the heart
of them.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yes, the comparison is brilliant. There is such stark contrast there.
Let's start with a baseline question for you. Why do
people want to take pilgrimages.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I think they want to come closer to what's at
the heart of them. And so just as you say,
the forms are very different, but I think the spirit
is the same. And a Tibetan Buddhist when he goes
to rome can understand why Catholics are coming to the
Vatican as surely as a Catholic walking around the joking
temple in love that will understand that impulse. And you know,
I'm often moved by that line in Shakespeare when Romeo
(03:06):
first meets Juliet, he calls himself a pilgrim, and I
think that's a way of saying the pilgrimage is how
we forget about the trivial stuff in life and try
to go to the core of what's in us and
what's in the world.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You've often quoted about abstracts. Why do people travel to
avoid a loss of abstraction.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'd say two things. The first is that it's a
wonderful thing to sit in Colorado or California and read
the Bible. But there's no experience to compare with walking
around the Old City of Jerusalem. Under you are the
same stones that were there when Jesus walk them. People
are recreating the walk along the twelve Stations of the Cross.
(03:50):
They're kissing the ground where Jesus is said to have
been crucified, And the intensity and the passion and the
way that that place gets inside you is like nothing
on earth. And really like nothing you could experience here.
So suddenly those great heroes like Jesus who have been
names and principles and ideas to us living beings by
(04:10):
our side as they should always be. But go to
a place like Jerusalem and the door swings open, and
you feel there's no barrier between right now and twenty
and fifteen years ago. And I think the other reason
I love travel generally is just to try to put
a face or a voice to a foreign place. As
long as it's a foreign place, it's a it's just
(04:33):
a word or an abstraction in our head. But when
you go to a place like North Korea, I was
just back there. Suddenly it's not just a dark, scary force.
It's people trying to support their parents, and kids playing
in the street, and others who are suffering under a
very difficult system. And I've always felt that North Korea
is a kind of a scary place for us because
(04:55):
most North Koreans have never met an American, and so
if you've never met somebody, it's easy to be very
ruthless towards them. But in the same way, many of
us have never met in North Korean, and as soon
as you get off the plane there, Suddenly what was
just an idea in your head becomes a much more complex, exciting,
powerful reality.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Indeed, it's a deeper understanding of culture, putting us oute
prejudice and bias.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Exactly because I find that whenever I'm sitting here at
home in the US, if I think about Syria or
Cuba or Vietnam, the first thing I think about is
how different they are from us. Their systems are different,
their governments are opposed to ours, their traditions are different.
As soon as I get off the plane in Damascus
or Cuba and I get into a taxi, the taxi
(05:40):
driver is telling me how he doesn't like the state
of the economy, and he's worried about the predicament of
his kids, and he's just fallen in love with a woman,
and he sounds like any taxi driver in Denver or
Los Angeles. In other words, as soon as you confront
a place in the flesh, you're reminded of how similar
we are. From distance, you are you see the differences.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
That's right. Now. We understand how you spend time in
a monastery and what you accomplished there, But how does
that time prepare you for travel.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Oh, I think it transformed it because I think we
all know that when we enjoy a wonderful trip, we'll
spend ten or fourteen days collecting experiences and memories and emotions.
But for me, the real journey starts when I get home,
and I spend maybe the next ten or fourteen years
thinking about what I saw and trying to make sense
of it and incorporating it into my life. And so
(06:35):
I think the core of travel is sitting still and
putting everything you've experienced into a larger perspective. And so,
as you said, for the last twenty four years, I've
been living a lot of my life as a retreatment
in the Benedictine Hermitage. And it's only by stepping out
of the world and stepping away from the bombardment of
(06:55):
texts and cell phones and CNN updates that I can
really begin to understand my life and the world itself.
So I still spend a lot of my time there,
and it's almost as if being there has laid the
foundations for the house of my life, and travel has
allowed me to decorate the rooms of it. But really
the core of it, the way that I make my
(07:17):
life as opposed to making my living, takes place in stillness.
And I think, you know, that goes back to some
of what we talk about in this show on Pilgrimage,
because I've always loved that sentence by the great explorer
John Muir, who said that going out is going in.
In other words, Let's say you go next week to
Venice and you see all the beautiful canals. That's a
(07:37):
wonderful experience, but what you really take back with you
when you go home is some journey to some part
of yourself or some emotion or some intuition that you
never had before you went to Venice. In other words,
it's really an inner journey. And that's one reason I
was so excited to be on the show Global Spirits,
(07:58):
because it's the rare travel that's not about external travel
so much as internal travel. And in fact, you know,
the title of the show is Global Spirits, and I
wrote a book for the New Millennium in the year
two thousand called The Global Soul, so it's almost exactly
the same title, and I think it speaks for that
same principle, which is that whether you fall in love
or whether you go to Hawaii, tomorrow. The real part
(08:20):
is happening inside you. It's nothing to do with the snapshots.
It's much more to do with the memories and feelings.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So Well said recently, we went to ang or Watt
and what we did there was try to experience as locals.
And I'm certain that what we experience will forever have
changed this because we went there as a pilgrimage.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Beautiful. I so agree with that, because whenever I've had
a really good trip, when I come home, my message
to myself is, let me try to look around my
hometown with the same wide awake eyes I brought to
Ank or what or Iran or wherever it might happen
to be. And I don't often manage to live up
to that, but it's certainly a good idea. And every
(09:08):
now and then I'll come back to my mother's house
here in California. Now'll be jet lagged and kind of
tired and out of thoughts, and I'll just go for
a drive and I'll imagine I'm somebody from Cambodia who's
just arrived in California, and I'll realize that California or
Colorado or wherever you happen to live is probably one
of the most beautiful places on earth, if only you
can see it with the right eyes. And that's why,
(09:29):
you know, I think so many of the great pilgrims,
like Henry David Threau, realize that you can find heaven,
you can find whatever you need right at home, if only,
as you said, you can awaken those clear eyes and
that mindful spirit of being right here, right now.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Absolutely, And about pilgrimages, why should our listening audience consider
one this coming.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Year, Because I think we're surrounded by so many things
that aren't so important, the latest email we got, the newspaper,
what just was shown on TV. That our lives are
only as rich as our commitments to what is most significant,
And what is most significant to us is usually what
(10:14):
we find at the end of a pilgrimage. And a
pilgrimage doesn't have to be to the far corners of
the world. Just go and walk towards your neighborhood church
or your temple or a garden, or take a walk
in the wilderness. Leave your cellphone at home, go with
somebody you care about, and say, I am traveling with
wide awake eyes because I want to be transformed, and
(10:36):
I think the nature of travel is connected in all
those words, starting with trans like transport, transformation, and then transcendence,
so that when you come back from that walk, or
when you emerge from the church, you can feel richer, deeper,
and suttler. You realize that you're a slightly different person
from the one who went in an hour or even
(10:58):
twenty minutes before. And if undertaken in the right spirit,
I think any journey can become a pilgrimage. And when
you go to somewhere like the Vatican, you notice some
people are going as tourists and they're gathering snapshots, and
some of us are going as travelers to witness a
pilgrim But those people who are going as believers, who
really are putting their souls on the line, come back
(11:19):
with a glow. Their eyes are on fire, their beings
are transformed, and you realize they have brought so much
to the experience, they've taken away a huge amount too.
So I think the beauty of pilgrimage is it tells
us to risk everything and then we will get more
than we've ever imagined.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So the core of travel is to arrive back home
and begin to spend live in a transform way. Finally, Pico,
how can we as a fast paced audience on quiet
time to prepare for the act of transform travel and
(12:00):
to live seasonally?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yes, I love that question, and in fact I just
brought out a book from Ted Books called The Art
of Stillness, arguing that for a lifelong traveler like myself
or like you, the most important component is the stillness.
So I would say the beauty of quiet is it's
wherever you're it's right here, right now, and it doesn't
(12:22):
cost very much. That if you a young single mom
with two kids and you feel you don't have a
single moment to yourself, just ask a friend or your
mother or your husband to look after those kids for
twenty minutes, go for a walk around the block, or
go to a quiet place in the house and just
close your eyes, and you will have so much more
to bring to those kids, or indeed to your next
(12:44):
travel experience. When you step into the car today to
drive thirty minutes to the grocery store, turn off the
radio and just take a vacation in your head and
let your mind go running like a dog on the
beach without its Tenor if you go to the health
club and you're walking on treadmill, don't turn on the TV,
and suddenly you've got a wide open space in your
(13:05):
day and in your head where you can come up
with things that will transform the rest of your day
and perhaps the rest of your life. And we all
know that things are accelerating such a pace now. It's
kind of a post human pace that our big luxury
is slowness, going nowhere and paying attention. But the beauty
of it is, as I say, you don't have to
(13:26):
go far away to find it. You don't have to
spend a lot of money. All you have to do
is make the effort. And I know I have some
friends who go for a run every morning and which
they come back from the run with a whole inner
bank of quietness inside them. Or some people will do yoga,
or some people will meditate, some people will cook, some
people will go for hikes. I think we all have
(13:49):
our own ways of doing it, but we realize that
if we don't bring quietness into our life, it's not
going to come to us from the TV or the
computer or anything external, and we're going to get dizzy
and we'll feel like we're on an accelerating roller. Coaster
that we never really wanted to get on that now
we don't know how to get off. So I think
it's a matter of almost keeping one's sanity and keeping
(14:10):
one's balance and just being able to do justice to
all the experiences that are coming in on us every day.
So I think every traveler loves movement, but every traveler
knows that the heart of movement is what you do
and how you can process things in absolute stillness.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Pico, thank you so much for being on our success
made to last travel show. We really appreciate you and
your wonderful wisdom.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Thank you so much. Rick, It's been a real delight,
and I love the notion of transformation that you're spreading
around the world. So please keep it up and thank
you for the welcome.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Matt, thank you so much. That was Pico Iyer, one
of our favorite travel writers, great man of wisdom. We
hope that you enjoyed him today and we hope that
by listening to his wisdom you will choose to live
and create a life that matters. Until next time, have
a great week. So thanks to our sponsor Edward Jones.
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