SUNDAY WIRE EP 546 – ‘Israel is a Rogue State’ with guest Dr Frank Romano + Bryan McClain and Adam Clark - Sunday Wire with Patrick Henningsen

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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to this week's edition of The
Sunday Wire. I'm your host, Patrick Henningson. We're streaming out
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so we're stream out all those platforms. Thank you very

(00:46):
much for joining us. This is episode five hundred and
forty six. I believe this weekly omnibus news and analysis
radio program. Again. I'm your host, Patrick Henningson. We have
a pretty powerful show. Yes, we took last week off.
I had a major sort of injury which you can't
visibly see because we've covered the makeup on but an

(01:07):
eye injury, which is why I'm more in reflective spectacles
at the moment as well because my eye is a
little bit sensitive. But anyway, it's healed up. It's healing
up in the process of healing up. Appreciate your patients
and the Midweek Wire. We'll be back on Wednesday, probably
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(01:28):
those last programs on Wednesday will be back regularly scheduled
programming this week, so I really appreciate you joining us
now a leadoff story, of course, we're going to go
into overdrive be joined by some of our teammates at
Alternate Current Radio, hopefully Hesher and Ruckus I will be
joining us at second segment after the break, But initially though,

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this was the big story, one of the big stories,
very important story as well. You've probably seen the show
image and this is the gaz Up free flotilla which
set sail from Malta was attacked actually by it looks
like Israeli drones or something like that. We're going to

(02:11):
get more details, a little more clarity on this story
with our first guest, doctor Frank Romano. Will bring him
on to the stage in just a moment. He was
there and he's also still in Malta in fact, so
he has a lot of details to share about this incident,
what really happened, why it happened, and what's going to

(02:33):
be the repercussions of this. So this is a humanitarian
mission and some of the activists posted different videos online.
We have one video from one of the activists, Nicole Jennis,
who was also there on the scene as well. She
posted this on X we'll just play you a short
snippet of it and we'll bring our guest onto the stage,

(02:56):
Frank Murmano, to discuss this important issue. But here's the
coole genus.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
The complicity of the world, including the Maltese government, who
did not condemn this terror attack on its international waters.
My name is Nicol Jenes, a volunteer on this mission
of Freedom Flotida, and let me tell you what I
saw with my own eyes. But first let me tell
you that I was not surprised, and I am not

(03:21):
surprised by the smearing campaign, the propaganda, the lies, and
all the system and the governments being silent and not
condemning this terror attack. That is just an extension of
what is happening in Gaza and from the entity who
was butchering children and burning journalists a life and all
the horrors that were seeing. We are not surprised from

(03:44):
Freedom of Flotida that we got attacked. I felt the
injustice of not letting us near the boat. I saw
our Maltese forces stabbing US civilians to board.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Suddenly bring onto the stage, Doctor Frank Romano has been
involved with this freedom flow for quite a long time
in fact, this is the very same boat that Frank
and his other activist cohort we're trying to get onto
the waters to bring aid to Gaza last year from Turkey.
There's a whole story here and the latest episode of

(04:17):
it is something incredible. Again. For more information on this,
go to Freedom Flotilla Coalition. This is Gaza f Flotilla
on X on Twitter. You can get more information there.
But I want to welcome onto the stage doctor Frank Romano. Frank,
thanks for joining us.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Thank you Patrick.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
So I'll let you kind of fill us in on
this situation, Frank, but the news that we got you
can correct us if this is correct or not. This
reporting but some kind of an Israeli drone attacked this
ship in international waters, but I believe right on the
border within Maltese EU territorial waters, this would be an

(04:59):
international war crime by anybody's standard. You're an international human
rights lawyer, a humanitarian. I know you're also working on
a case at the ICC for Palestine and also the
European Court of Human Rights, so you're well steeped in
international law. Frank. I'll let you take this away. Incredible situation.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
What happened well, First of all, people need to know
that the Freedom for Tilla was set full of food,
water and medication to bring humanitarian aid to Gaza. And
here we are in Malta because the first attempts, just

(05:44):
the last year to get on this same boat and
two other boats were steinmied I was there for three
months preparing to bring five six thousand tons of humanitarian
aid to Gaza when we were stopped. First of all,
Guinea Basso removed its flag, and then the Turkish government

(06:05):
hypocritically as he tends to pretend he favors Palestinian rides
and yet stops the flotilla from going to Gaza. Well
hear we now a year later in Malta to do
that very same thing. And two days before this attack,
we were all set to go to on the bus.
There are thirty activists from all over the world, including Nicole.

(06:26):
And on the very day we were to enter the boat, well,
just the day before, Palau, which we had a flag,
removed the flag in interesting timing. Right before removed the flag,
we're supposed to go on the boat, which means no insurance,
no category for the boat, no protection, But we were
still going on that boat. Set to go, and then

(06:50):
like at six in the morning, I was all set.
I was one of the first boats to go from
Malta to the ship that's waiting in international waters for
us to board when the ship at to zero zero
twenty three hours. Other words, a little after midnight on
May two was attacked and you said it was Israeli.
Hasn't been proved that it came from Israeli drones, but

(07:12):
in the past in twenty ten, notably in the Mabbie
Marmara because this is the Mabbi Mamara two, Mabbi Mamara
one was attacked in twenty ten international waters and ten
activists were killed. So we can point the finger and say,
well it's it's Israel is capable of doing this. And

(07:33):
what Israel is doing, which is a continuation of its
policies in Gaza, is not only to prevent any humanitarian aid,
which it's doing now, which has resumed doing this after
the ceasefire, water, food, medication, and the people are suffering
and starving and not medicated as before. This is just
an extension of their policy to literally squeeze the gozzins.

(07:58):
Almost you can say policy is to exterminate them. So
here we are trying to showcase the struggle. This is
our goal. It's not about us. I consider myself Patrick
just a vehicle trying to showcase what's happening in Gaza
and the West Bank. Almost a systematic attempt to exterminate
the guys and get them out. So Trump's plan to

(08:21):
take over as a real estate haven as the riviera
of the Middle East could be implemented. And with all
it's a humanitarian disaster and clearly falls under the definition
of dinocide. So we were here to at least break
the siege. This is our goal of the Freedom Ftilla
and the FSC, with the hopes of that the Mabi

(08:45):
Marmara too would at least break the siege. We didn't
expect to get in, but we want to try to
do that. And their whole goal is to break the
siege so that we can encourage other activists and other
boats to do the same. And this Israel claims that

(09:05):
any types of attacks against any type of these boats,
including the Mavi Marmara in twenty ten, is exercising its
Article fifty one right to defend itself, but in reality
it's not about defense. It clearly is to stifle this
breaking the siege, and clearly is fears. Israel fears that

(09:27):
this will open up the doors for other activists to
do the same. So if it was Israel that did this,
it most likely was. It went a long distance. There
was an Israeli warplane hovering above right before the attacks.
The two drones that attacked the ship were clearly drones
and they were take make these attempts to go a

(09:51):
long distance over a thousand kilometers to stop us. That
really indicates how powerful, you know, this idea of breaking
the siege is and how much they fear of encouraging
other activists to do the same thing. So here I
am in Malta now and just and you're the only
one Patrick that really is right here because all the

(10:13):
other activists have left. I'm the only one left. Is
that one other that's about ready to leave, But I'm
the one left to handle the legal issues, and so
we don't lose context. The Conscience vessel is still there
in international waters, still vulnerable to a second attack. The

(10:35):
first attack seemed to be scientifically carried out so it
would disable the ship. I don't think the way the
drones attacked that they really intended to kill the way
they you know, they penetrated the whole with a missile
and they took out a generator. They really wanted to
disable and most likely sink the ship. It didn't happen,

(10:59):
and we were asking the Maltese government to carry out
its Law of the Sea obligations and that is to
engage in them in a reasonable research and search and
rescue procedure, which it didn't do. It sent a tugboat
when the after the attack, the deck was on fire,

(11:19):
the serious fire on deck, and a tugboat came and
circle around for a whole hour watching this fire consume
the boat until finally it targeted. The tugboat targeted the
boat with its water calens canon is to help put
the fire out, and then the tugboat official invited all
the people to abandon ship and Malta seams of things.

(11:40):
It's complied with its search and rescue obligations. It's clearly
insufficient watching this fire almost engulfed the entire boat before
it helped put the fire out. And then these the
crew members there are about twelve members of the crew
in about six activists didn't trust this tugboat and didn't
want to leave you abandon ship. It's the ship is

(12:02):
now subject the shipwreck and and you know, and or
sinking without the crew and the occupant. So they did not,
they did not accept the offer to go on the
tugboat the crew and the occupants and go to safety.
So the boat is still in international waters. Malta refuses
to bring the boat into its port into the secure

(12:23):
waters of Malta would preserve the security of the crew
and the occupants, that the outside forces would probably very
much should be prevented to attack and would not attack.
As now we're talking about really inside Malta, inside the
European Union, because as you know, Malti is a member
of the European Union. So however, I've stayed to work

(12:44):
on the legal issue. I am trying to force Malta
to comply with its obligations. It's very difficult to show
that under the law of the sea. However, under the
law of the sea under Article ninety eight, is that
search and rescue of theation I talked about there Article
twenty four of this law of the seat, where a

(13:05):
country is supposed to allow innocent passage to crew, especially
a boat in distress. However, it's difficult to show jurisdiction.
And what we have here is even in international waters,
the boat has been shadowed by the coast Guard, entered
by a surveyor. So we're tying in clearly jurisdiction here,

(13:29):
and if it has jurisdiction, it's still difficult to show
law to see violation because the tug boat, which was
sent by the Maltese government, which is a multice government agent,
offered to bring the crew and the occumist to safety.
But it was clearly the crew and the oarcumists didn't
trust this tug boat. So what do we have. Well,

(13:50):
right now we are pursuing Malta before the European Court
of Human Rights, the European Whole Court of Human Rights
Court in Strut for other things that I cannot it's
confidential right now. But we have to find some way
of pursuing on a very emergency basis, and we're finding
a lot of difficulties Patrick, because there's a lot of

(14:13):
regulations to go through and this is an emergency procedure.
The boat is still there, still exposed, and it's just
sitting there with the crew. Now, something that I haven't
said before, Patrick, is that a couple of days ago
the occupants, the activists, not the crew, were taken from
the boat. They agreed to leave the boat. That was
part of the negotiations that Istanbul lawyers made with the

(14:37):
Maltese government that they could leave and without being going
through a deportation procedure because none of them are Shingen
have Shingen visas. In other words, they are all Turks,
and bringing them into Maltese water would mean they are
now illegally in Malta. They have no right, they have
no visa, They could be deported. The Maltese government said no,
we'll just take them to the airport. We'll be giving

(14:58):
an entry and exit visa and then they have to leave.
But when they left, and this is the scandalous part, Patrick,
that I don't know if the international news has ever
even you know, touched upon the As soon as these
occupants a couple of days ago of the conscience left
the conscience, they were treated like criminals, as if they
were the ones who who who were who were submitting

(15:20):
Malta to insecurity, that they're the ones who bombed their
own boat, or they're the ones who tried to scuttle
the boat. So from the very moment they left the conscience, Uh,
they were treated, you know, they were said you go there,
they were ordered to do things. They were surrounded by
police and immigration people and taken to the airport and
we only had five minutes to see them at the

(15:42):
airport before they were rallied into their their planes and
and taken to Istanbul. Clearly, they were they were treated
as they were the malefactors. They were the they were
they were weaponizing this whole thing about Freedom Flatilla when
they were all non violent activists. As soon as they
left Patrick, as soon as the occupy occupiers, the activists left,

(16:03):
the six activists and they were rooted to the airport
and gotten rid of basically the Maltese government. Then a
surveyor came, surveyor of the multi Multese government came really
to to you. Wanted to see the extent, he said,
we want to see the extent of the damage. In reality,
they're looking for weapons, because the press here has demonized
the Freedom Fortilla as if we are bringing weapons, not

(16:27):
humanitarian aid and the and and they're saying this. In reality,
the press is saying and some of the Maltese people
and the government were dangerous, We're dangerous, were not nonviolent.
We're out to help Hamas and well, it turns out
that surveyors didn't find weapons, but as a branch of
the Maltese government, we're working on tying it into the

(16:49):
jurisdiction now because they came into international waters, the boat
was shadowed by the coast Guard. Now we're looking for
jurisdiction and then I'll be able to give you an
update on this because in a day or two we've
got to file our complaint. It's very urgent. The boat
is still vulnerable. We have to do something, and they're
you know, procedural issues that are very complicated here, Patrick,

(17:10):
But I'm doing my best and hopefully we'll get that
complaint filed. I can't really say which court will file
it in, and then we'll move forward to try to
get that boat into safety and the crew.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
So it's almost as if I don't know if you
can speculate this far, but that the authorities maybe had
names of certain people from Turkey in advance, they knew
who they were looking for. They're going to treat them
a little bit more aggressively because of that. Was this
Do you think this is possible.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Clearly possible. All the activists were Turks. The crew members
are the either from Turkey or from Benjamin A. Jab Ban,
that country not far from Turkey, and that's true, but
it's possible based upon that, and definitely had their names

(18:07):
because the crew's list was on the maritime lists, so
they knew that. What I think the deep down is
what's happened here is the Maltese government, even though if
you look in the history of Malta, they've been supportive Gaza,
but I'm sure they're under the pressure of Israel and
the United States to bring that ship in into safety.

(18:31):
They could tow the ship in. It's pretty disabled, they
could tow it in easily, and the Maltese government said
even said orly they would repair, So I think they
have a little bit of a guilt issue here, but
they would only repair it on the high seas, on
international waters. And I've spoken to two experts on how
to repair a boat with these type of damage as

(18:52):
a huge hole in the hole and the boat was
flooded with water. After the water cannons attempted to put
out the fire for a while and their own water
attempts to put out the fire. They were able to
pump the water out, but for a while there there
was a great danger of sinking. And now there doesn't
seem to be a danger of sinking, but the whole

(19:13):
idea to bring the boat into safety. I believe Israel
United States are pressuring all to not to do this
and to get rid of the boat because that's going
to bring in more media. And they don't want the
boat to be repaired, because what happens when the boat's
going to be repaired, Patrick, myself and all the other
activists are going to try to get back on that

(19:35):
boat to bring this humanitarian aid to these deserving poor
suffering as you know, couzens, and I think that's why
they want the boat to stay in international waters unrepaired, because
it stays disabled and israel Is policy obviously is to
continue this kind of extermination of Guz and not bring
them humanitarian aid on the pretext of well, we're going

(19:59):
to s out Kamas one way or the other. I
think I think Patrick, I think the Israeli army has
its experts. I believe this is what I believe in
a very cynical way. What you know, first of all,
asking the question, how come we're getting all these kills
every day. It's almost like they're butchering a cadaver. They're

(20:21):
going into Jebbulee, a refugee camp, and RAFA places that
have already been leveled, and continuing to bomb with their
without Kamas traces, and how is this? And I think, cynically, Patrick,
I think they have a kill number where they think,
after say maybe eighty ninety one hundred thousand, and not
just those under the rubble, one hundred thousand people are killed,

(20:43):
women and children. I think that Israelis have calculated after
a certain number of kills, Hamas or the representatives of
the Guzen people will surrender. And that's why I think
they're continuing to just kill, kill, kill, And I can't
see any other cynical, all horocious, horrific explanation of this.

(21:04):
And so this boat represents breaking the siege, is what
we want to do, a clear threat to this whole
process of extermination, of preventing any humanitary aid to come
in so people will continue suffering. And maybe they think
the Guzen people will turn around and rebel against Thomas,
which it's clearly a misunderstanding of this mentality that entrenches

(21:29):
the Gousins even more against Israel, losing children and so forth.
So I think this strategy is clearly erroneous and it's vicious,
and we see part of again the Israeli overall strategy
is to stop us from feeding the Gosins and opening

(21:49):
the spigot to other activists to do the same if
we were able to break the siege.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
And I might add to that as well, I think
Brussels Ursula Vanderline herself very much supports the genocide that's
going on in Gaza. She's right behind Israel, as is
the British government too, and they play a very influential
role in Malta as well. Multa in Britain politically it's
well known to be an outpost, a long time outpost

(22:17):
of British power as well in the Mediterranean. So I
think there's a lot of pressure put to bear on Malta.
And what I think here is that you're probably going
to end up with a cover up of frank depending
on how much legal pressure you're able to put to
bear on this situation. But certainly somebody has broken the law,
and somebody has abrogated their duties as an official or

(22:42):
violated international law, maritime law or something like that, and
there's a political cover up that's going to ensue as
a result. So, I mean, that's why it's important that
I think you're pursuing this, and I think just that
it's very symbolic the freedom of flotilla. As you said,
you know, the the fact you're bringing attention to the

(23:02):
fact that if this is what it takes is a
bunch of concerned people from around the world to pack
a boat full of essential aid and then take the
risk of being shot bombed, attacked by trying to break
a siege, a humanitarian siege, it should bring attention to
the international community saying why why are these people doing this?

(23:26):
Why are they doing Why can't governments do it? Why
can't the United States government do it? How impotent is Washington?
How impotent is Europe? I mean, it's just the fact
that this is going on in EU territory, this incident
is shocking that if this doesn't wake up Europe, it should.
So what's the media coverage been like this on this story?

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Slowly and so this is another of our goals is
to against showcase the struggle of the guys and people
and it's what you're saying is absolutely true. Patrick. It's
not like we're you know, suicidal group, scruffy group of
street people that just I just want to fight the fighter,

(24:12):
or you know, skin heads that just want to fight
out there that have no politics. We all, I mean
some of us are professionals and we have a lot
that we have kids. I've got four kids. We've got
a lot to lose. What does that mean? That simply means, Patrick,
if we're willing to take these chances that we consider
that necessary, it does make it more credible. As you

(24:36):
alluded to that. You know, we're all we all have families,
we all have places to go and jobs and everything.
But we see this as a necessary risk to literally
suspend everything we're doing. For instance, I was doing a
movie when I when I got called to come here.
I'm in the middle of a movie about the Pastini

(24:57):
resistance in New York. And you're going to think this
is crazy. But I retired as a lawyer, retired as
a law professor. I only have one client as a
lawyer anyway, Palestine before the ICC, and I've gone back
to my original profession, which is acting. I did I
started out my career as a professional actor in Paris,
acting classics like Bourgeois Jon Tiam Moliere, and that's where

(25:21):
I got my training. Well, I'm back doing that, so
I'm an actor in this movie is based on my
memoir actually about it's not about me, it's about the
Palacine Resistance. But it's called Levin ter in the Middle East,
fifth Edition, and we were in the middle of filming.
We did four scenes. It's really professional and they in
a fairly low budget, but they were able to bring

(25:43):
together a lot of great professionals that believe and are
willing to take less of a salary. Fortunately, and so
filming in New York, Paris, and Istanbul. The Istanbul will
be the scenes about Jeanine and Hebron. Because I was banned,
I can't go back to Jerusalem to do the scenes
and the Palestine scenes, and I can't go to Jordan
so much because Jordan is collaborating with Israel, and I

(26:06):
wanted to go to Lebanon, where I'd worked in shaper
Settila refugee camps with Palestinians. Can't do that because I
thought it's kind of precarious there. So we thought we'd
do those in Turkey. But I stopped this movie in
the midst and I told the director and the producer
that's the only thing that would require me to suspend
the movie. And since I'm the lead actor, they have

(26:27):
to suspend it unless they want to get a new actor,
which they can, but they decide to suspend it if
I'm called on the freedom fatilla. That takes priority to
do something drastic. But what do you do, Patrick, this
is a desperate world, a drastic world. Well you need drastic,
almost desperate solutions in a desperate world, and this is
one of them. No.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Indeed, indeed, put the image up there of the conscience
the boat there. And I know how hard you worked,
Frank and everybody who is in Tury last year to
try to make this happen. And I know it was
like you were hitting your head against the wall most
of the time with delays and all sorts of things

(27:11):
getting in the way, obstacles being placed in front of you.
But you were all very sort of dedicated. I know
it's a very international group of people. There's people from
all over all over the world, literally all over the
world that are involved in making this happen. And how
is this journey treated differently than the Marvie Marmar the

(27:31):
twenty ten one. I mean, that was pretty tragic how
that ended up. Did you have any ideas about does
everybody talk about how we can avoid what happened there
and somehow have any changes have been made to try
to or is this just something that you just have

(27:52):
to roll the dice.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
No, actually, it's a very good question. Have addressed that
and in our training, and we actually have similated exercises
where a group of actors acting like Israeli soldiers board

(28:15):
the boat and we're on and we're training, and we're
all about maybe twenty people at a time, twenty persons
at a time. We're actually in resistance mode. How we're
going to be on the boat when we're boarded potentially boarded,
most likely boarded by the Israeli agents. And we've trained

(28:36):
very very carefully not to provoke. Now, the Mari Marmara
to ten they were trained in that way too, but
as the soldiers came, they actually started shooting even before
they arrived, so it really sensed some of the activists
and they started to resist. They started, you know, pointing

(28:58):
water cannons down on the the boats. That the Israelis
were using to board the boat, and some of the
Israeli soldiers came and they captured them. They took their
weapons away and didn't use them against the Israeli soldiers
and ended up throwing the weapons away, and then the
Israeli soldiers were returned to the Israeli Air Force. But

(29:24):
the Israelis were so incensed over this resistance minimum amount
of resistance that they literally executed at point blank. Several
of the activists, at least nine died and then one died.
It was in a coma for I think a year
or so and died later. We specifically addressed this Patrick

(29:45):
and we're trained specifically not to provoke like that. So
if any of us are incensed, and we're all incensed
and we get angry, but we realized if we react
angrily in an aggressive way, maybe we we blow off steam,
but we compromise the entire operations. So those that are

(30:06):
like that, they weed them out, and we do it
in training when we find out during training and they
really bring in these people that really push us, hit
us sometimes and drag us around to show us what
it's going to be like. When the Israeli forces enter
and it's the group. It's this famous group thirteen that
is scheduled that always apparently boards the boats headed for Gaza,

(30:32):
and it's the same group actually that engaged in that
massacre at Chief of Hospital. So they are not choir boys.
They are tough killers, really, and so we've been trained
differently this time that we resist getting angry and even
resist calling out and name calling, because that again could
sense the soldiers to kill, to hit and kill, that

(30:55):
would compromise the whole group. So they weeded it out
and accepted people well being in the group that can
retain their anger in the name of the group without
being submissive. Though you can resist a certain degree without
being submissive, you don't finance one that Israeli soldiers come.
We're not trained to have to be on our knees
and this type of thing. We're sitting down and we're

(31:17):
linked together. That's how we're trained to be when the
soldiers enter the boat. And this has been very careful.
So we're trying to counterbalance what happened in twenty ten.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
And the Israeli position. First of all, were there any
charges brought against israel I? Mean, is that part of
your ICC case the executions of the activists in twenty ten. Firstly,
and secondly, what's the Israeli justification that's the ship they
thought the ship's full of bullets or you know, RPGs

(31:53):
or something like. What is their sort of rationale?

Speaker 3 (31:57):
They often use Article fifteen one of the UN Treaty
to say, we as a country have the right to
defend ourselves and they are bringing in elements to attack us.
And of course they always say they're bringing weapons, and
maybe maybe they even say that we didn't find weapons
on the boat because they threw them over the side,

(32:19):
or they plant weapons. They're known to do that. But
with respect to the Mabbi Marmara in twenty ten, there
was an ICC case, I wasn't involved in that case.
I'm involved with the main ICCE case directly against Netanyahu.
My case with get Netania, Liberman and even American I

(32:39):
added Obama and also who else it was Obama and
it was Trump to the complaint because they were all
involved in Gazam affairs and they were you know, arming
Israel during these massacres. And so that that's the case

(33:00):
I was involved in that was filed four years ago,
and I'm not the only lawyer, el Hak from Raman
and other lawyers filed and only four years later, as
you probably know, only a few months ago, we finally
got some of what we wanted, and that is a
rest warrants against Natin Yahu and these other defendants. So

(33:21):
at the time a rest warrant was only issued against
Natin Yaho and Galans, the Secretary of Defense of Israeli
Secretary of Defense minister. But that's a beginning. But four
years later, so that's what I'm involved in. But the
Maria Mabimara ic CEE case was brought by other lawyers,
and at the end of the day, the ICC, I

(33:41):
think was Benzula was the prosecutor who had considered the
case was inadmissible because of the fact that it was not.
It was not a big enough matter. It only they
probably they said it most likely there were war crimes
here and so forth, but it's not.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
It does not give rise to an ICC case because
it was considered minimal, which I disagree with the impact
of this whole thing, but that's how and I think
they filed an appeal and it was not retained. So
that was the end of the ICC case with respect
the two ten Mabi Marmara.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, I mean, really just I can't imagine what it's
like for the families of those people who were killed there.
But obviously considering what's going on in Gaza right now
in the last twenty months, and that brings us to
the political considerations. In your opinion, Frank, I know you're
looking at the backwards and forwards, the flip flopping with

(34:43):
the Trump administration. It's like one day it's this, the
next day it's that by lunchtime, the following day it's
something else. And with the latest is that Netanyahu and
Trump are on the outs and there's rumors that Trump
might recognize the Palestinian state. I personally take a lot
of this with a grain of salt, and I want

(35:04):
to get your kind of feeling on recent developments, especially
some positive developments, Frank, with regards to talks with Iran
and a cessation of hostilities with Yemen by the US.
I mean, I can say these are positive, but your
feelings on the current political situation, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
I think first of all, Trump changes like a chameleon
to comply with what Trump wants, and most of what
Trump wants is basically to showcase to show he wants
to show he wants to take credit for certain things,
so he's not, on the one hand, a provoker and

(35:47):
on the second hand, he wants to take credit for
being a problem solver. So I have to tell you
the truth what I see today. However, and this might
have something to do with him temporarily being on the
outs with Nathaniejo, but you know, these on the outs

(36:07):
of Nathan Yaho was also what Obama was was considered
as being when a reality I think was all orchestrated
good cop, bad cop, I'll do this, And they were
actually orchestrating this to make Nataniejo look like a bad guy,
make Obama look good for certain political reasons, and back
and forth. So I have no trust in what Trump says.

(36:29):
I do see, however, that he is saying today in
the news about supporting private groups, private entities bringing humanitarian
aid to Gaza, but the UN has rejected it because
they say, what has happened is you're going to make
these distribution places very difficult to get to. And you're

(36:54):
talking about the Israeli soldiers will not be distributing, but
they'll be securing the area, which means this whole idea
of the Mediterranean Aid has become weaponized. The EUON says, no,
we're not going to make this into a weapon. We
have four hundred distribution centers. We need to work on
these distribution centers that are already in place as supposed

(37:14):
to form these other distribution centers, which seem to say
that this is Trump in control and we're doing this
to make sure that Hamas doesn't get a hold of
the goods. In reality, it's all a political ploy, and
negating the un sources that have been very helpful and
unwrun extremely helpful in bringing food is clearly erroneous. And

(37:38):
again playing politics at the expense of genocide as an
expensive The suffering going on is to me disgraceful, and
I think Trump is simply showcasing this, wants to show
the world he's trying to resolve a problem. I don't
see this really as being a problem with Natiyahu. A

(37:59):
lot of these tensions with within Yahoo, with American presidents,
I think are more orchestrated than truthful for particular purposes.
So I don't trust anything he says or does at
this point. With Iran, we'll see with game and we'll see.
But we remember just recently the United States was bombing
Yemen mercilessly, So not sure if that really is offending

(38:25):
and they're going to carry through with that. Patrick, I'd
like to be optimistic about it, but I I you know,
coming from the track record of Trump, how he changes
like a chameleon, I can't really hang my hat on
any of those things. Unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, I'm I'm I'll take any positive developments that come
down the line on this, but obviously I'm not going
to delude myself or my audience or my colleagues and
about what might happen or some sort of breakthrough, you know,
the sort of QAnon type, a positive delusional thinking. But Frank,

(39:04):
this is kind of significant is that Yemen effectively shut
down international air carriers to Ben Gurian International Airport in
Tel Aviv, where Israel was forced to run shuttles between
Cyprus and Tel Aviv because no international carriers, not Air France, Luftanza,

(39:26):
wizz Air, even from Hungary, all they all shut down
at least last week. They I don't know if they're
resumed connections, but it's now. It's it's quite an achilles
heel Ben Gurion Airport because this is the number one
escape route for settlers. Should you know, hostilities escalate in

(39:47):
occupied territories and in Israel. So it's isn't it amazing,
Frank that is such a poor country, Yemen, it doesn't
have you know, the GDP of Yemen is less than
some most major US cities on their own. I mean,
it's extraordinary that of all the Arab countries that they're

(40:09):
the ones that can potentially at least temporarily bring Israel
to heal. I think it's quite extraordinary. What are your
thoughts on this?

Speaker 3 (40:19):
It certainly is not excluding the idea that Iran is
supporting gaymen and arming gaymen, so it runs behind this
as well. But keep in mind I've been back and
forth to them, and probably you have to patrick to
the Bennguaran airport and it's a highly secured area, a

(40:40):
very high tech airport, and so this gayman being able
to penetrate all these layers of security is absolutely indicative
of what could happen, and at least for now, unless
Israel uses this as a pretext to level human cities,

(41:07):
and it has the power to do so, I think
internationally it would not want to do so because of
the fallout. But that's what I'm concerned is the reaction.
But it's true, it's true. It's a real indication that
the security is not so you know, full proof, and
a country of the GNP so minimal was able to

(41:31):
do this. Ask the question of another country where it's stronger,
could be able to do this. Enemies of Israel and
the United States may be in that way a game
changer where Israel will be required to, whether it likes
to or not to negotiate with these countries and work

(41:51):
out a solution. Whereas I think the only language that
Israel understands is this type of thing. The only language
that the United States understands is u is through force
and and and and and and and and and bluffing
and so forth. And I'm saying that as a French
and an American citizen. Uh and so yes, I think

(42:13):
this is something positive, just like you know, just make
a draw a bridge to the freedom Fortilla. Having attracted
so much media attention, including yourself, Patrick, and appreciate you
interviewing me on this, and you're probably is the biggest
update is from you, because most press people don't even

(42:34):
know I'm here, I'm low profile until I can get
this legal stuff resolved.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
And that this has brought so much media attention and
what we have to say, even if we didn't get
on the boat, the fact that it was bombed was
was already a positive thing to extent. At least thank god,
no one was killed, but there were injuries that it
brought so much attention to the suffering of the Gousen people.
And we're so willing to take these risks. And if

(43:04):
Israel or another foreign source we're willing to take the
distance and bomb us, well you can conclude then, Patrick
and the viewers as well. If we got closer to Gaza,
the risk are even higher. They're even saying they could
literally sink the boat, bomb us think the boat, I

(43:25):
mean what they really and they could always say, well,
we're sorry, we thought that was a destroyer from the country.
Hear all these mia colpas, erroneous mea copas sorry and
all these people die. It really enhances the risk that
we took bring and the media followed suit and really
came together and showcased again the risk we're taking for

(43:48):
a real credible cause and we're just there to bring
manager aid to Gaza and also to showcase the West
Bank and how the settlers and things have been trying
to shut down the Palestinians there and take it over
and Annexit. It's all linked and so these are positive things.
I think we're being realistically positive about these things. Patrick,

(44:11):
I'm not you know, pulling its straws just to be positive,
just to kind of like that that's a real reason
to feel positive waves and to the struggle when we
haven't seen much positive happening lately.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
And and uh, Frank, one of the final things, oh,
trant to be sure that our audience knows if if
this is a cause that they want to support, these
are the types of actions that they want to support.
What's the best way for people to engage with this
with the Freedom Flotilla.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Well, there's the Freedom Flatilla website and just go Freedomfatilla
dot com or IFC dot com something like that. And
if people want to communicate with me, you know, I'm
on Facebook, so the Frank from and you know, Love
and Terror dot com and we can on on there's

(45:08):
a lot of videos and photos. So I suggest people
think it through. Don't just jump out there and even
let your emotions take you there, because we see motions
can be good, but motions can also lead us astray.
Take a look at all these different things and you'll
see that the Freedom Fortilla really is amanitarian organization, and

(45:28):
I stand for themanitarian rights. Any help people can offer
by being a part of Freedom Fortilla or donations or
whatever are well received because we're pretty low budget and
a lot of us being here are funded by our
own individual resources. Most of us being here, whether it's
thinking hotels or whatever, coming from our own pockets. We

(45:50):
could always use a bit of help, but especially just
people out there transferring messages. That's a huge help, even
if you can't leave the comfort of your home. Just
transferring messages around and comments that you could have online
are very helpful. And let's face it, if you even
do that, that's more than most people are doing that.
Most people are kind of in a comfort zone and

(46:12):
kind of ignoring what's going on. And just just by
doing that by your messages online or whatever, and support
is still a lot. And I encourage you to do
what you can to make it a better world and
to free Palestine, and to support you Patrick, and you
know Patrick and Henderson has been in media a long

(46:33):
time and been a support and I know you've been hit,
You've taken a lot of hits and you're still in
there and we really appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Yeah, no, thanks for that, Frank. And again, Freedom Flotilla,
this is a good There's a link tree on their
x Twitter account there, Gaza f Flotilla, Freedom of Flotilla Coalition.
All the links are there. The websites there, Freedom flotilla
dot org and plenty of information, a lot of images
you can get up to date. You can see, you know,

(47:03):
the damage from the boat. Everything's posted on that. It's
a very good website. It's got good, high quality images
on there, very well organized. So I want to direct
people there as well for more information. So Frank, I
think hopefully, you know, I'm good luck with your efforts
trying to you know, shed some light and get some

(47:23):
justice on this issue and your various legal efforts. Will
try to stay in touch because I know this is
very important work you're doing and the consequences are massive.
I'm actually very encouraged that the new Pope. I know
it's a separate topic, but he gave a speech in
the last two day or so and immediately called out

(47:46):
these wars and specifically mentioned Gaza as well, So I
think that's off to a good start from that point
of view. I think it's very influential if he's able
to move the dial a little bit politically, it's most
welcome there. So it's a positive, definitely sure, And we'll.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Have more information working with the lawyer in a day
or two if you want to. If you want to
come back on it, it should be if things work out,
maybe we'll have some we'll have a legal impact on
this because we're working in urgency and I think within
a day we'll have new information for you. And why

(48:27):
not you get the exclusive on it. You've been so
faithful to this movement and to making it a better world.
So maybe in a day or so we'll have more
information for you. If you want to renew this.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Interview, absolutely yes, stay in touch, Frank. We'll we'll fire
up our streams for you if that information is coming out.
But doctor Frank Romano, and again you can find Frank
on Facebook as well, and also information about the Freedom
Flotilla on the various sites online. Go to the ex

(48:57):
Twitter portal as well and get information there. Rank. Thank
you very much for joining us on the Sunday Wire
live from Malta. Appreciate your efforts and no man left
behind Malta, so thanks for thanks for putting it all
in there and laying it on the line for us.
Frank appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Welcome, Thanks Patrick, thanks for viewing this and we'll keep
it going.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
There. He goes, ladies and gentlemen, as doctor Frank Romano.
We're going to go to break in just a moment,
and we're going to go into overdrive and hopefully connect
with some of our teammates at Alternate Current Radio Network,
some familiar faces, possibly even I dare say maybe I'm
not sure Basil Valentine's off this week, but who knows,

(49:43):
he might make an appearance, so we look forward to that.
But nonetheless, I actually want to play a track on
the Break from a great independent artist, Peyoti for President,
who is inspired by Manu Chao. He's uh play you'll
get the music straight away, but he's a phenomenal singer

(50:05):
songwriter of the Latino variety, international artist, world music artist.
Peyote for President. The Palestinian Children is the name of
his track. Enjoy this song. We'll be back after the
break we'll see in a few minutes.

Speaker 6 (50:34):
I love the pictures left umbin. I love the games
they left dumb played all the left and the playground.
I love the arts they never made. Ghost faces al
Amelia Palestinian children. I love those voices left them silence women,

(51:00):
names written and kind list their moods. No honorable lefeless
have to dials to find ghost spaces.

Speaker 7 (51:09):
Have a million palos dan, your children? What are the
songs they never written? What are the words they.

Speaker 8 (51:23):
Have ever said?

Speaker 9 (51:25):
I'm the gunnuts out them not.

Speaker 6 (51:26):
There and escape of the rings, the ghost faces of
a million.

Speaker 8 (51:33):
Palas, Dan your children.

Speaker 6 (51:41):
I have a crying, helpless children, God's most urcious and
most dear.

Speaker 7 (51:47):
I have a beggar for the reason, how could you
ever leave us here? I close the eyelands of a
million palos Dan, your children?

Speaker 8 (52:04):
So what do we really stand for?

Speaker 9 (52:07):
Is this how our future is made?

Speaker 6 (52:09):
And when we ever found the courage to stand up,
I'm afraid I tear away the resecution.

Speaker 8 (52:18):
On the palace down Your children, rise up and.

Speaker 6 (52:27):
Be the guardians of the palace.

Speaker 10 (52:30):
Then your children.

Speaker 6 (52:37):
To respect our publication and recreate and affirmation. This eversul deservespontension.

Speaker 10 (52:47):
Save the palace, then your children, save the palace, then
your children.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
All right, Welcome back, Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to
the Sunday Wire. I'm your host, Patrick henningson this episode
five hundred and forty six of this weekly on the
Bust News and Analysis radio program, again brought to you
here on twenty first century wire dot com. Hello to
everybody in the chat. We'll go to some comments across
the various streams in our chat in a moment when

(53:39):
we get some of our colleagues up on stage. They'll
be joining us shortly. But a couple of big, big sours,
and so much has happened. We talked with Frank Great
Frank Romano and all of the activists involved in the
Gosla flotilla. I just managed to get a hold of Frank.
We had interviewed him last year when he was stuck

(54:01):
in Istanbul trying to get this ship onto the water
and running into all sorts of problems with the Turkish government. Erduwan,
who's supposedly the champion of the Palestinians dubious at best.
But anyway, we've been in touch with Franken you know,
I just didn't realize that this was the same flotilla

(54:22):
that they had to be rerouted. The ship had to
go to Libya and then from Libya to Tunisia and
from Tunisia via Malta to Gaza was intercepted and route
in international waters. Some international responsibility is definitely laying at
the feet of the Multese government. EU member. This brings

(54:44):
the European Union into this, which makes it interesting. Listen,
it's only because of the work of activists that are
pushing the envelope that would get the EU involved in this,
and this might end up in the European Court of
Human Rights as precedent case. Why because they pushed. They
pushed the envelope, They pushed the issue and they didn't

(55:06):
have to. There are other ways to do it, but
it just so happens to happen that way. So anyway,
this is an incredible story. We'll keep an eye on that, obviously,
for those of you who didn't see it. Freedom Flotilla
Coalition that's their ex account, freedomflotilla dot org. That's their website.

(55:27):
You can get more information there. Certainly, there's a lot
a lot of different ways you can support and get
involved in this. I think this is a good effort anyway,
It's one of the more proactive efforts I think that
we've seen. And I mean, what happened in twenty ten
was horrific, to say the least. But anyway, I hope

(55:47):
that doesn't happen again. They certainly had a close call here,
as you can see how reckless the Israeli government is
that they would deploy a drone to attack that ship
of the Conscience, and you know, at the risk of
killing crew members, sinking a ship with how many people
on it, they didn't care. Yea, these reelies clearly don't care.

(56:07):
But what's worse is no one will hold into account.
This is an international incident. But then again it shouldn't
surprise anybody because the world set back and did nothing,
said nothing. When a whole pipeline got blown up at
the bottom of the Baltic Sea, the North Stream pipeline
in September of twenty twenty two, a whole pipeline between

(56:32):
Russia and Germany boom. Nobody said anything. Oh, I don't
know who did. It could have been we don't know.
It could have been John Wick in a scuba outfit.
I mean, nobody knows. Couldn't be United States, could it?
And of course who is attacking a freedom flotilla couldn't
be Israel. Of course they wouldn't do that. They wouldn't
fly one thousand, you know, kilometers outside of their airspace

(56:58):
to attack a ship packed with AID on the way
to gaza Es Central Aid. They wouldn't do that, would
they would the Israelis do that? Well, they have done
that before, they have attacked AID Flotilla's before. I can
see my colleague coming into the green room. I'm going
to bring him up on stage. This is Hesher, Brian

(57:18):
McClain ak Hesher, Hesher. How are you? How are you doing? Mate?

Speaker 11 (57:23):
Pretty good? Pretty good? That was a interesting first hour
of the show.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
There.

Speaker 11 (57:27):
It's great to be with you here. Patrick. How are
you doing today?

Speaker 1 (57:31):
I'm doing okay. I had a bit of an injury.
I couldn't do the cameras and lights until like Friday,
I did the UK column News. It's healed up pretty good,
but I had minimal vision on this side and I've
covered up the wounds pretty badly. But anyway, look a

(57:53):
bit like Luke Skywalker after the Empire strikes back, after
got hit by the what's that animal? That ice creaker wamp?
But you after goot so not pleasant. Anyways, healing up
pretty good and wearing these glasses just because it helps
with the reflection a little bit and it covers up
the gash which is right along the rim on this side.

(58:16):
But anyway, forget about the gory details. There. We're back,
That's what matters. Back doing the Sunday Wire. The midweek
Wire will be back probably with Freddie Ponton on Wednesday,
hopefully if if Freddy's available. And so, I mean, there's
been no shortage of crazy things going on, hash sure.

(58:37):
I spoke to one of your colleagues, Mark Anderson on Friday,
was on the boiler room. You guys were chewing the fat.
Plenty of things going on. I mean, let's cut to
the chase. This is the big this is the big
news right now. Have you been following this? Is it true?
Is bbe on the outs with Trump? Do you believe it?

(58:59):
Cautiously optimistic? What are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 11 (59:02):
I'm I don't know.

Speaker 12 (59:03):
I guess I'm cautiously approaching cautiously optimistic.

Speaker 11 (59:08):
I'm not quite there yet. It seems.

Speaker 12 (59:12):
You know, plausible it's definitely plausible. There does seem to
be some evidence to support it. But at the same time,
you know, I just as a practical person sit here
and look at the amount of money that has been
sent to Israel Anti Ukraine for that matter, you know,

(59:32):
just kind of adding that all up and saying, you know,
what does it take for a politician or a president
to get sick of this?

Speaker 11 (59:39):
You know, like, I mean, okay, you're sick of it now?

Speaker 3 (59:42):
All right? Cool?

Speaker 11 (59:43):
Right on what happens next. I'll wait and see.

Speaker 12 (59:45):
But you know, I'm just looking in the review mirror
here looking at that you know, three hundred billion dollars
or whatever these two countries have gotten combined in the
last few years, and you know, wondering when the when
the death and destruction and you know, all that's stuff
is going to stop. So uh, I'm cautiously optimistic. But
at the same time, you know, the the circle around

(01:00:09):
Donald Trump is a lot of Zionists in there. But
we're definitely seeing a bit of a bifurcation of both
Maha and Mega at this point, and you know that
there is a bit of a wave of awakening.

Speaker 11 (01:00:24):
I suppose we want to use the Trope.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Yeah, I like that word bifurcation. There's a lot of
bifurcation going on these days everywhere, especially in uh in politics.
So I mean the oh way, I may show this
to Frank, I mean, this is absolutely incredible. Yemen, Yemen
is holding Israel's feet to the fire. They Israel came

(01:00:51):
back after this. They shut down bengori In Airport, and
Israel came back and basically destroyed Sanna Airport, So the
main airport in Yemen, it's gone. So they destroyed it,
and Yemen's like their next announcement is like, get ready,
We're gonna hit you ten times as hard. Brace yourself.
I mean, these guys are humble. This country is one

(01:01:14):
of the poorest countries in the world. They're not deterred
one bit by the United States or by Israel. In fact,
so much so hesher. The US called it quits with
Yemen after they lost their second FA eighteen super Hornet jet.
Supposedly it fell off the side another one. What are

(01:01:36):
the odds of that happening in one week span of
one week? Do you buy the official explanation being being
a man who would usually be have in your previous
life analyzing those types of incidents.

Speaker 12 (01:01:52):
Uh No, sounds like a cover story to me. Sounds
definitely sounds like a cover story. I think there's a
lot of actually conflict that has to do, uh with
the Yemeni soldiers that does not get covered because they've
actually been very effective against the Saudis.

Speaker 11 (01:02:08):
A number of times.

Speaker 12 (01:02:09):
They've been effective against you know, people forces using American
intelligence and Western you know, munitions, and they don't like
to talk about that in the media. It seems, you
know that, and they've been in you know, under attack
and under sanctions and under things for so long. You know,

(01:02:30):
they they've really had a long time to sort of
become a bit of a hardened fighting force. And I
think they probably also know that they're not going to
have a ground invasion, so that, you know, not having
to prepare for a ground invasion really kind of changes
the the capabilities and the and the you know, the

(01:02:50):
ways in which they might focus, uh, you know, their
their efforts because we just don't have the military materials
to do a ground invasion in a place like Yemen.
Believe it or not, you know, people most people don't
know that, I think, or they just assume military superiority,
which you know, we may just not have and Israel

(01:03:13):
may just not have in Saudi Arabia may just not
have military superiority without just you know, carpet bombing and
drone attacks.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Sure, and in the media, you know, the Yemeny missile
got through the US THAD system, got through all of
the iron dome, David's sling Arrow two. I'm not going
to call it David sling. I'm gonna call it Larry
David's sling. It's just not working that well. And this
is the image they won't show you in the Western media. Husher.

(01:03:45):
Look at the size of the crater at Ben Gurien Airport.
You see the size of the worker there. You know,
people can see this. I mean that they never showed
this on the AP or Reuters. They just showed like
some dirt being mopped up on the highway going into
the terminal at Bengury. Nobody's showing this crater. It's massive,

(01:04:06):
that's at least at least you know, fifty feet deep
or something like that. And so what I'm saying is
and the reports are that the Yemeni missile only had
twenty percent of the explosives in the payload. So if
that's twenty percent doing a crater this big, you can

(01:04:29):
be sure that one hundred percent is going to do
some serious damage to the Israeli airport or any target
that it hits. That's kind of a little detail that's
been left out of the entire Western media coverage on this.
I think that's kind of significant.

Speaker 12 (01:04:46):
Your thoughts, Yeah, it definitely is significant. That's a that's
a massive crater right there, and you know what happens
if that's one of the very few you know, like
electrical power stations that they have there. You know, this
is a small country. It doesn't take a whole lot
to highly disrupt their infrastructure. You know, if there's infrastructure attacks,

(01:05:10):
which you know in airport obviously is very effective attack.
It looks like and every time we've seen this happen,
there's like a media blackout on it. Like a photo
like that is exceedingly rare, you know, coming out of Israel,
and we've had a couple other examples of these, and
it's very difficult to even find photos of it, and

(01:05:31):
the mainstream media, the mass media, they seem to, you know,
downplay the effectiveness of a lot of these strikes. And
that just seems stupid, you know, to me, that seems
unfair to the global public to to not be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
But I mean, what do we expect? What we expect?
What are we used to these days? Not much. I
don't expect much, so we get anything. I really appreciate
the good news, one of the good news, and welcome
Ruckus to the stage, Adam Clark Ruckus, how you doing.

Speaker 13 (01:06:08):
I've been a little bit better, but I could certainly
be worse all things considered. I could have been on
board that flotilla, or I could be one of these
starving children in Gaza right now, so you know. But
I was just getting caught up on the chat. It
looks like somebody's threatening us. So that's fun. We know
we're way over the target when we're getting that kind

(01:06:29):
of response in the chat. I'm not a moderator on
the YouTube channel, otherwise I would have already taken care
of it. But nice to see you all out there,
even the ones who want to threaten us for no
damn reason. That's cool and happy mothers stay to everyone
to who it applies.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Yeah, no, I no, I'll take a look at those
those comments there. But I haven't really. I didn't look
at the chats yet, but now that you brought my
attention to it, maybe we'll we'll highlight the user account
that's a threat ing us. What's the name of the user?

Speaker 13 (01:07:02):
I believe it's Corey. Corey Pelsman. Oh, I guess for
Nazis now too. That's cool. I've been Nazis for a
long time, brother, I mean, I've been a Russian bot
since before I was even Ruckus bro come.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Calling out in actual genocide is Nazi according to some people.
That shows you how deranged some people are. So Corey
Pelsman is the name of that account, So knock yourself out, Corey.
Everybody's watching so so so so going back to the

(01:07:34):
big the big story here, so that this idea that
Trump is falling out with what happened, we're told and
this was first broken, but it kind of got broke
by accident by a court. A diplomatic correspondent for Israeli
Army radio is really outlet, okay, and so Ron Dermer

(01:07:56):
is nettya who's chief aide. And it's very strange that
Trump won't meet with Netanyahu. He's already I know net
has been to Washington three times already, but now he's
meeting with net Yahu's chief aid, so one step removed.
And Ron Dermer was telling everybody in the White House,
you need to do this, you need to do that,

(01:08:17):
and apparently word got out. This is pissed off Trump
because he feels like they're trying to manipulate him or
manipulate the administration into doing things i e. Giving orders
like in front of people and causing the President to
lose face. Obviously that's not going to go over very
well with Trump. I mean, we know the relationship between

(01:08:40):
the Israeli lobby, the pay to play relationship between the
Israeli lobby and the White House. That's well known, well discussed.
But this is like taking things too into a different area. Now,
this is getting This is about political optics for Trump.
Why is this happening? Because this came at the same time,

(01:09:01):
guys that they tried to push a bill through the House,
some crazy anti semitism bill from Mike Lawler from New York,
this nutjob, and Marjorie Taylor Green tweeted out, I'm not
voting on this. This is lousy, and her tweet got
ten million views or something like that and Matt Gates

(01:09:24):
trashed it all of a sudden, they dropped it in
the house within twenty four hours. Won't be voting on this,
sorry forget it, move on. So, I mean, and then
right after this, this this incident surfaces with net Yahoo
and Trump. So Israel in the US problems? Is it

(01:09:45):
because the bass is finally caught on in the base
is now pushing back and making it known they're no
longer supporting Trump on this anymore, or a significant amount
of the base. The real magabase, okay, not the he
knew uh uh woke right magabase, not the Douglas Murray's

(01:10:07):
and the Ben Shapiro's of the world, but the actual
magabase your thoughts hesher.

Speaker 11 (01:10:12):
It just seems that way.

Speaker 12 (01:10:14):
I mean, yeah, and I gotta wonder, like what this
is like within the Trump family at this point, because
his daughter is married to Jared Kushner and and all
that stuff. I mean, this this is like a family
affair sort of uh at you know, at sort of
the you know, high level sense, but uh maybe that

(01:10:36):
falls secondary to you know, the magabase. Perhaps, you know,
because the magabase at this point and they may have
really blown it when they decided to you know, hyper
politicize the Ukrainian thing.

Speaker 11 (01:10:51):
That was very strange, you.

Speaker 12 (01:10:52):
Know, the way the whole like there was just this
both sides of the aisle all in on Ukraine, like
all the way up until you know, even after Trump
has been you know, put back in the White House
for this second trip trip around the second administration, and
then it wasn't until you know a few weeks back
when they kind of had the blow up in the

(01:11:14):
White House with Zelenski. You know that that I think
that kind of pushed a lot of people over the
edge as far as like foreign spending just you know,
very pragmatic foreign war, you know, spending and profiteering like uh,
people were were already primed to be turned off by
this like leading up to to that visit you know,
from from Zelenski. Uh, and then once that happened, it

(01:11:38):
was just like oh okay, like all all the you know,
the true mag of people backed out, if they hadn't
already backed out at that point, like the you know,
I don't want to say the group think, but you
know something akin to that. You know, the the zeitgeist
among them shifted rather substantially, and you know, and and

(01:11:59):
that whole thing has just been kind of like a bugger,
a joke, you know, something that needs to be fixed
to in the minds of a lot of maga And
and now it's it's how can you not look at
Israel and be like, oh, yeah, this is very similar.
You know, the amounts of money aren't the same, but uh,

(01:12:19):
you know, the effect is is very similar. And and
you know there's so much discussion about it on on
X I think we may have just hit a point
where there's been you know, some sort of critical mass reach.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Yeah, tipping point, tipping I know, because it's not like
this is all this is new, right, this is like
already been welling up and you know, even even before
October seventh's it was an issue and now it's just
taken to another level. But it does is that delay effect,
you guys, It takes time. Stuff just sits out there

(01:12:55):
and just permeates. It just permeates, and eventually a tipping
point happens there. And Pandora Chaser two says, no, Patrick
in esher, this is WWF wrestling, panto sat pantomime. That's
possible as possible. Is a lot of WWF going on
in politics. A lot of politics is WWF, and Trump

(01:13:16):
is the master of WWF, isn't he. He's a former
WWF entertainer. So I'll put that there. It's credible, we'll
entertain that. I don't know about you, Ruckus, but it's possible.

Speaker 13 (01:13:34):
That's where I was going with this. That's my that's
my that's my usual working theory for all of this stuff.
When it comes to politics and right versus left, and
black versus white and everything like that, there's always some
hidden agenda in the middle that they want to try
to get people to steer towards the Hegelian dialectic I E.
So yeah, I believe a lot of this is WWE

(01:13:54):
or w w F wrestling whatever they call it now
Ultimate Naga wrestling is what it is. The thing is like,
it doesn't help Patrick now does it? And your audience
members to discover that the vast majority of the folks
who are on the political stage, why do they always
use those words, By the way, have like full on
imd actors pages, you know what I mean. So, like

(01:14:17):
somebody pointed out the other day, remember the exchange between
when the intents sit down between JD Vance Zelensky and Trump.
Somebody pointed out that all three of them are actors
with pages on IMDb, so you know that's not helping
the cause. Yes, this is what we've been predicting, what
we were expecting was going to happen eventually, because if
you are somebody who truly believes that in making America

(01:14:41):
great again, and that's got a bit of an isolation
isolationism ideal baked into it, right, and Americans have historically
generally the citizenry anyway, it's not the politicians, of course,
are fans of the Nimby, not in my backyard. They're
generally okay with a lot of things. They don't really
generally care care about what's happening on the other side

(01:15:01):
of the planet. They're concerned with what's happening for them.
Those are the true mega people. We want to make
America great again, and how do you do that by
throwing tens of billions of dollars in weaponry into all
these foreign countries, including somebody who is is such a
strong ally. We have to keep reminding everybody that there
were a strong ally. If they were such an ally,
it would just be implicit. And they don't have to

(01:15:22):
keep repeating these slogans, these propaganda talking points over and
over again. But I don't believe it's organic. I believe
that the whole thing is a giant sie op. The
whole thing is WWF. This was all planned ahead of time.
This is not a reaction Trump didn't see. Oh wow,
maybe I went too far here and I need to
roll it back. That's what they want to make it

(01:15:43):
look like, because they still want people to trust Trump.
They need to recapture the through the maga, like the
ones who're on TV anyways, like the Matt Gets and
the Marjorie Taylor Greens of the world, in order to
win back the loyalty from the base, in order to
move towards the next phase, which I believe is going
to be far more focused on, you know, technology, closing

(01:16:04):
our borders, spying on us. I think we're going to
the all eyes are going to be on the inside,
and we're all going to be treated and suspicious domestic terrorists.
But I think we're going to move forward from this
this Israel thing. They'll keep doing stuff in the background,
they'll keep supporting Israel, but it's not going to be
on the camera and in your face and everybody with
their little badges of honor on their social media. It's

(01:16:24):
all going to be on the DL, on the quiet,
like it always is. And maybe the New York Times
will release a breaking news story like five months from now,
on the last page of their newspaper to explain what
happened in twenty twenty five with the Israel guzz a thing.
But I don't believe it for a second. It's all fake.
I don't you know. I'm not buying a pet.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Yeah, and you know, normally I ignore these sort of comments,
but I think I want to highlight this because this
is Corey Pelsman. Patrick. You should use a nickname if
you care about your safety and all sorts of derogatory
threats there. So, Corey Palsman, your IP address is being
tracked by YouTube as we speak. Thank you very much

(01:17:06):
for your comment, and I also wanted to just remind Corey,
who is probably I don't know, in primary school when
I started advocating for the Palestinian people many many years ago,
twenty five years ago. So my views have been very public,
unlike yours, Corey. For a long time. I've written, I broadcasted,

(01:17:29):
made documentaries, been on television. I've been raising awareness about
this abuse, these human rights abuses, these violations of international law,
and you and resolutions for many, many years, probably longer
than you've been alive, I would think, based on the
maturity of your comment. But we thought we'd make that

(01:17:50):
public so everybody can see who this person is or
who they claim to be. It's probably a sock puppet account.
These types of people usually are. But yeah, my views
are well known, yours are not, because you're just a troll,
trolling in common threads, making death threats. So good luck
with that.

Speaker 13 (01:18:09):
And then just speaking on behalf of me in Hasher,
we live in America, in Texas, and we believe firmly
and strongly in the Second Amendment, So we're okay, buddy, thanks.

Speaker 11 (01:18:19):
And the first and that first Amendment.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Yeah, Corey Peltzman, who's just threatened me, says, accidents happened
to propaganda's like you. So we're calling out a genocide
and Israel's reputation internationally is toast. Okay, it's done. There's
nothing that Israel is going to do to recover from this.

(01:18:42):
It's so you're on the wrong side of history, unfortunately,
and sadly, we're trying to stop the killing and you're
threatening us while we're calling for a ceasefire. We've been
calling for a ceasefire since day one, by the way,
on this show. So I don't know if you're in
Israel or you're in the United States orherever you're whoever

(01:19:03):
basement you're tweeting from or hiding. That's our reality. I
don't know what yours is. Yeah, so it's kind of pathetic.
But anyway, Corey tells me, if that's his real name,
go ahead and give him a visit on social media
and tell him what you think about his death threats
that he's doing on live streams right now, which has

(01:19:24):
been reported to Google Corey. So we'll find out soon
enough where you are. But anyway, that's the way it goes.
This is the class Act that supports the state of Israel,
so good luck with that, folks. Anyway, we thought we'd
just give you a little bit of extra attention because
that seems to be what you're after at the end

(01:19:45):
of the day. So we didn't ban Corey. We want
his comments to be public. We want everybody to see
what he's saying, and all of the malicious threats that
he's dropping in our stream. It's all good, folks. We
definitely want people to know. So the majority of Americans

(01:20:05):
do not support Israel. This is true. This has been
born out in a poll right now. So it's been
a public opinion shift, guys, and it's about time. But
it's now official. According to Pure Research and other major pollsters,
the issue has swung massively. And I think it's like,

(01:20:27):
no matter how much money you spend, no matter how
much propaganda, no amount how many corrupt politicians like Tom
Cotton that bank millions from IPAC and the other Israeli
lobby firms, Okay, despite all of that, they can't even
hold the public opinion polls in America. And that's a
that's a big L. That's a big, massive L if

(01:20:50):
you consider all of the resources they put in to
making people believe that they're not seeing what they're seeing.
The scenes of devastation aren't happening. That sixty seventy thousand
dead Palestinians. It's oh, well, those numbers can't be trusted,
says the idea of spokesperson. Those are Hamas numbers. Those

(01:21:12):
are that they've been telling us that since day one.
So despite all that, they're losing in the opinion polls. Guys,
so sorry, it's just not your day. Larry David's sling,
thank you very much. That is mine. I copyrighted that today.
Larry David's sling didn't do much against those Yemeni missiles, now,

(01:21:36):
did it. Hey, you know, it's just the poorest country
in the world just shut down Bengurian Airport. So you know,
just saying, it's kind of a game changer if you
think about it. That couldn't have happened ten years ago.
Because we live in a much smaller world. The world's
got technology makes the world smaller. Iran can reach out

(01:21:57):
in touch Israel, US signs of truce with Yemen. How
many Reaper drones did the United States lose to the
Yemeny's in the last six weeks, Somewhere between ten and twenty.
Somewhere between ten and twenty. The official numbers we have
are ten, but the other estimates I've seen have been

(01:22:21):
around twenty and two, maybe three FA eighteen super Hornet
for jet fighters plus damage to the USS Harry S.
Truman that nobody knows quite specifically what that damage is.
Is it possible that the Harry S. Truman got hit
by a Yemeny missile, because if it is, wouldn't that

(01:22:44):
be embarrassing. It's not the type of thing you want
to put publicly. There would be a complete media shutdown
on something like that because that would bring the whole
operation into question. At that point, we know how sensitive
Americans are about losing planes, pilots, having aircraft carriers risk
being sunk. They cost a few quid, the aircraft carriers,

(01:23:07):
They're not cheap. So did that have anything to do
with Trump's truce with Yemen? Was it more like a
surrender could be?

Speaker 12 (01:23:17):
I mean, those those MQ nine Reaper drones, they're estimated
to cost around thirty million dollars each. I know, maybe
that's not a lot of money when you just signed
a new one trillion dollar DoD budget, you know, up
from you know, eight hundred and sixty billion up to

(01:23:37):
a trillion or something like that. Maybe thirty million dollars
isn't much, but sounds like a lot to me. And
you know, if they're losing that many of them, maybe
time to take a pause, take a break, look at
the strategy here. And then if you start throwing the
cost of you know, faaighteen's in there as well well,

(01:23:57):
and perhaps maybe a giant piece of damage to the
Harry Truman. And if that's true, if the Truman was
actually damaged in that kind of attack, then there's also
a chance that there were injuries or even fatalities that
we may not know about at this point, because I mean, clearly,
you know they're not going to tell us if something

(01:24:19):
like that happens that I think that much, we pretty
much know unless that's going to be used as a
springboard into some other, some other action, you know, which,
of course we're kind of always on the edge of
our seats waiting for as well.

Speaker 13 (01:24:34):
I'm true to drop his Aliens because I was just thinking,
this is the only type of person in the mainstream
any ways who would report on an incident like this
would be a show like ancient Aliens to say, hey, listen,
on this date in twenty twenty five, we lost a
couple of hair. Something's not adding up. Could it be aliens?
Ancient Aliens theories say yes, But yeah, generally normal people

(01:24:55):
will see this and be like, hah, something fishy's going
on here. We don't just randomly when's the leftlast time.
We just lost the Oh sorry, guys, we lost another one.
F eighteen fell off the aircraft, you know how it goes.
It was going fast, took a tight turn and slipped
right off. You know, we're all good to admit that.
It admits a level of incompetence in your military. And

(01:25:17):
I'm like, if you're willing to admit that, which they're not,
I would never ever expect the United States military or
any world's military to come out and admit the fact
that they suck balls and that they just had this
weird accident and lost all this expensive equipment. So clearly
they're willing to throw themselves under the bus in order
to cover up for somebody or something else. And I

(01:25:39):
can only think of one thing or group of people
or lobbyists that have that much sway on the United
States in order to convince them to throw themselves under
the bus in order to save face. Israel anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
No, but listen, when is the US taking losses like this?

Speaker 13 (01:25:58):
When you do you remember, I can't think. I mean,
we know nine to eleven was an inside job, but
that doesn't count.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
No, No, in a military theater, in a military deployment,
now Yugoslavia stealth bomber gets taken down by a nineteen
eighty book missile from Serbia. Okay, that was bad stealth bomber. Okay,
We're talking multiple jets, over a dozen advanced you know,
reaper drones, State of the Art, US Kit A plus

(01:26:28):
whatever else. I don't know, whatever else is lost or hit.
Who knows, but that US does not take those kind
of losses ever, and not against the country like Yemen,
arguably weaker than anyone else they've attacked in the last
you know, twenty five thirty years. This is crazy. So,

(01:26:48):
like I'm gonna say, at the very least, Pete hegg
Seth should resign or get sacked. I got attacked by
one of the MAGA faithful this week saying it's not his.
Why are you blaming Pete Heggs I'm like his, Who's
secretary of defense in the US? Who's Who's who's in
charge of the Pentagon is? Isn't it the Secretary of Defense?

(01:27:09):
Isn't that the guy that would be responsible if it's uh,
you know what show in Yemen? I mean, is it?
Could it be that guy? You know? It's like somebody's
got to get sacked, and it's gonna be a civilian.
It's gonna be him. Okay, it's not gonna be one
of the generals and the joint chiefs because likely they're
falling orders from these clowns on Signal. I'm just saying, so, like,

(01:27:33):
why is heg Seth still in the job? People people said, well,
he's he's not hawkish on Iran? Why are you attacking
heg Seth? I'm not buying half of this stuff. Okay,
I'm not buying that they just bombed Yemen for six
straight weeks for nothing, and that Yemen didn't attack any
US ships before that, nothing, and they basically waged war

(01:27:57):
on a pretty weak country and then still got their
ass kicked a bit. This is not a good look.

Speaker 11 (01:28:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:28:05):
Yeah, And I saw something this week about the whole
Signal group, like apparently there's another version of Signal or
some hacking perhaps going on there via the Israeli government
or something like this. I'm not totally spun up on it,
but I was not surprised to see that. I'm definitely
gonna have to look into that a little bit more.

(01:28:26):
But it looks like there might be some canery going
on with some of these signal groups that hag Seth
and his buddies are in.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Yeah. So there's that Mike Waltz being jettison from the
National Security Advisor that also happened in the last two weeks.
Moved to the UN ambassador position. That's filling the shoes
of great you know icons like Nikki Haley and John Bolton.
It's kind of a career killer that job, don't you think,
Like JD Van says, well, I think it's more of

(01:28:58):
a promotion. I'll think, so that's where your career.

Speaker 13 (01:29:05):
He played it office as if like because that's how
I was reported that JD. Vance said, Oh, it's more
like a He was more than that. He didn't just
like say oh, well we could said no, he said
that that's the reason they did it. Well, we felt
that we wanted to give him a promotion. But you know,
I was like, wow, dude, you guys are crazy. Excuse me.
Didn't Trump do this during his first term too? Switching

(01:29:27):
around people?

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
Boy, Yeah, that's the that's called the cabinet reshuffle. That's
what the British do. They take the Department of Education
guy and stick him as head of the department of defense.
It's just like juggling the portfolios they called. That's the
British what they call cabinet reshuffle, starting to do more

(01:29:48):
of that in America. And we did figure out a
few things from this. By the way, Oh here we
go m MQ Reapers twenty two at thirty million a
pot each plus seventy million per f eighteen good correct
on that. Yeah, so yeah, we're already up to some

(01:30:09):
serious loss what maybe half a billion in kit lost
in six weeks of bombing and yem and well done, Pete, hegset.
That's going to buy a few tattoos, isn't it half
a billion? That'll that'll finish off the rest of Pete's
body in in Jerusalem Crusader tattoos. But yeah, that's that's

(01:30:32):
some serious losses, guys.

Speaker 13 (01:30:33):
I mean Crump's made more money than that selling a
meme coin. We can we can recoup.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
Yeah, that's what we need. We need a mean coin
to fund the Pentagon, that's all. We need a stable
coin to fund the Pentagon.

Speaker 13 (01:30:45):
We'll call it the unstable coin.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
To stabilize the Pentagon. We need a stable coin. I'm
sure Elon's working on it because that's what Elon does
is cryptos scams. Uh, Melai, No one's heard about how
how your meal? Much after that crypto scam he ran
in Argentina. Elon's not hanging out with him wielding chainsaws
very much. Well, he did show up the seapack right

(01:31:09):
after that. I thought that was bad optics.

Speaker 13 (01:31:11):
He took a lesson from the Haktua girl who also
disappeared after her mean coin rug pull. She who hasn't
dropped off the line, light off the stage as Trump weird.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
She disappeared. Hawk two had disappeared, all right to prison?

Speaker 11 (01:31:25):
She got sent right, No, I don't think no, nope, nope.

Speaker 12 (01:31:29):
She she went dark for a little bit while while
the legal stuff was sorted out, and then she came
back and it appears that there's going to be no charges.
So she's she's back at it as far as I
can tell, whatever it is, I'm not exactly sure, but no,
no time.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
She's got merch. She's got her own coin Hawk dollar
signed Hawk. So she's Uh, that's just the worst part
of Western civilization in twenty twenty five, not since Putin's
shirt always the oracle of wisdom, not since World War Two.

(01:32:07):
Has the US Navy been under such military pressure. Yeah,
they're under existential pressure, like whether to have a navy
or not. Practically, I mean, this is the times we're
living in. I means navyes becoming a liability, like big
targets cruising around in the water waiting to get sunk.

Speaker 13 (01:32:25):
You know, it's interesting too that they didn't try to
use the old straw man argument like they did during
the Biden administration anytime there were embarrassing failures like this, well,
this is the fault of the DEI hiring. There was
none of that talk involved with these missing f eighteens
or any of that, right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Yeah, there's a third F eighteen. Someone said there was
a friendly fire incident before Christmas that didn't look like
it was kosher either. So just saying along with the
fifty US soldiers that had head injuries after the Iranian
missile strike on the on a Sid air base in Iraq,
after Trump assassinated Sulamani, you remember that all those concussions

(01:33:07):
in Stuttgart. They couldn't have been at the Iraqi base,
could they. I don't know. It seems a bit strange.
I mean, this is what happens you'll never admit that
they ever took it on the chin because the press
the public would just devour Trump. There's one soldier lost,
that's it. Will never hear the end of it. Probably

(01:33:28):
from the rhinos as well. So anyway, crazy, Yeah, we go,
two fell off. I'm not aware of the third. Yeah,
there was a third f eighteen before, before December, so
it's when Biden was running operations there. Yes, guys, so

(01:33:48):
let me see. He's got a few other bits and
Bob's here. Trump doesn't like losing money either, so this
is Yemen was becoming a bit of a drain. So
it's it's not getting anything back, no return on investment, right,
that's another likely reason.

Speaker 12 (01:34:08):
Yeah, absolutely, maybe they maybe they were expecting to lose
all this gear uh and and that's why they built it,
built the extra dollars into the new uh do O
d budget for uh this time around. You know, maybe
I was like, well, just you know, we need some
new predator drones anyways, so let's just you know, send
them in there on a on a suicide mission. We

(01:34:29):
know that that these people have stuff, you know, anti
air stuff they can take these things down with. So
you know, let's just send them in see what happens.
I think there's probably a lot of that that goes
on too, that you know is easy to overlook. And
of course, you know, you can only speculate about it
because probably only in Pete and his buddy's signal chats,
if anywhere else.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
Yes, Pete and the Signal chats with with Jeffrey Goldberg. Oops. Sorry,
added the journalist in by accident.

Speaker 11 (01:35:00):
I've been.

Speaker 13 (01:35:02):
Spend a lot of money producing like a slick campaign
video propaganda on behalf of like we're not gonna we're
fighting back against the hoodies. We're gonna take you on.
We're going full full blown right and now we're like,
we're we're gonna just stop now.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
Oh my gosh, there's some pretty pretty racy comments here.
I'm not sure if we're going to give these too
much time, but people are saying, why don't you turf
out the hasbara in the chat? No, we want to
give him enough rope to hang himself. Unfortunately, sorry guys,
but it has to be done. So here's some news, guys.

(01:35:41):
There's a new pope. Okay now, normally so right after jd.
Vance met Francis, he dies twenty four hours later. That
was a little bit weird, just saying, just a little weird. Anyway,
the new pope and to our show, did you ever
think you'd see an American pope in your lifetime? Honestly?

(01:36:06):
You know? So this is Pope Leo the fourteenth Rob
known as Rob to friends and family, Rob Privost from Chicago, Okay,
one of ours. There's an American pope, you guys. And
not only is the American pope, he's basically calling out
the war in Gaza and the other words too, saying

(01:36:30):
got to basically wind it up in Ukraine, this is
no good India Pakistan, but specifically he mentioned Gaza in
his first address. This to me is a shocker. I
did not expect that from the Catholic Church. They usually
have a type of a hands off policy with anything
like this. I mean, it took Francis a while to

(01:36:51):
make some pretty harsh statements against Israel. Pope Francis, the
late Pope Francis, to his credit, he got there in
the end. This American popes coming right out of the gates.
That's significant because there is political weight behind this with
regards to the Catholic Church. So I don't know if
you guys picked up any of this, but I first

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of all, had were you shocked that there's an American pope?
The front runners were like Italian and there was another one.
I can't remember where he's from. I think it was
not sure if it was South America. Now there's even
an African pope on the short list, but we get
an American pope. What do you guys think about this?

Speaker 11 (01:37:30):
Yeah, Robert from from Chicago.

Speaker 12 (01:37:33):
I mean, I I was a little bit shocked by that.
I think that's the first time this has ever happened.
And I didn't even know that was a thing. I
figured it was not a position that any American would
ever get, Not that I've really thought about it very much,
but yeah, that was weird. But you know, Chicago is

(01:37:57):
like one of our word to places for corruption, and uh,
you know, I can't help, but you know, maybe it's
just bias from all the corruption that we've covered over
the years, particularly out of that Chicago area.

Speaker 11 (01:38:13):
But I don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:38:15):
For For me, it's I just think that's probably a
compromised person that's uh working, you know whatever. Whatever pr
and and goals the Vatican has, forum just doesn't seem
like the kind of position that you know, someone named
Rob from from Chicago would get if if you know,
the Vatican and and those interested in you know, the orbit,

(01:38:36):
the Vatican were uh cool with it, you know, for
lack of a better term. So I don't know, I'm skeptical.
I'm always skeptical of things coming out of the Vatican.
But it is very, very interesting. And as far as
his comments about you know, stopping having ceasefires and such,

(01:38:57):
I don't really know what to make of that, you know,
going back to that whole WWE comment that we had earlier.
You know, it's it's it's hard for me to take
a lot of it seriously sometimes because we see so
much of that. Like, i mean, look back at the
the Biden administration's stance on this, you know, up until

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Trump took over, and and you could see, you know,
the way that the mass media cartel was looking to
parse that as well as the Biden administration was sort
of like a soft like the like they were framing it.
At least in my perception, it looked like they were
framing it such they wanted people to feel like, well,

(01:39:40):
the the Biden administration and the Democrat Party as a
whole are essentially pro Hamas. Like there was this, you
know in Kamala too. They had this whole thing where
it's like, oh, they're they're being pro Hamas, but at
the same time, like you'd see that framework in in
you know, crappy mass media. But then you you know,

(01:40:02):
if you look a little deeper, you go see them
meeting it, you know, having their apac meetings and and
doing all the other things where they're actually you know,
talking about how their support for Israel will never waiver,
and you know, and there's as mini checks and as
many uh, you know, missiles two thousand pound bombs as
they they're gonna need.

Speaker 11 (01:40:19):
We're gonna support that.

Speaker 12 (01:40:21):
Like we saw this whole thing happening, and I think
that might be kind of what's what's going on right now.
It's kind of like the attempt to take something that
shouldn't necessarily be a right left thing and only frame
it as a right left thing, like you know, like
they did with COVID, like they did with Hunter Biden's laptop,
like they do with Ukraine, all these different things. It's

(01:40:42):
like the issue drops, the hashtags drop, the the social
media flags go up on everybody's social media accounts. And
then months later and both sides are all in for
it pretty much unless you're a total dissident. And then
months later they split it and they say, oh, you know,
Republicans don't actually like this anymore.

Speaker 11 (01:41:03):
We actually.

Speaker 12 (01:41:05):
This happens all the time now, where it's like some
big thing is the thing the media and the politicians
will frame it as though it's a right left thing.
At a certain point there's like this deviation then it
becomes a right versus left thing, when really it shouldn't be.
You know, it's health, it's war, it's death, you know,

(01:41:25):
it's medicine, it's culture, you know, things that we should
be able to have in twenty twenty five on nuanced
sort of you know, social response to.

Speaker 11 (01:41:36):
They're trying to disallow that.

Speaker 12 (01:41:38):
So it really feels like there's this narrative management thing
that's going on that they try to apply political polarization to.
And if they can't do that, then atomization and you know,
ostracization seem to be you know, the next step there.
But it's gotten messy, and I think that's kind of

(01:41:58):
what's led to this bifurcation in the zeitgeist of you
know Maga in particular, right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
Now, ruckus, you know any further thoughts on that one.

Speaker 13 (01:42:10):
I hear there's a little bit of controversy. I mean,
as these things do often happen involving higher ups in
the Catholic Church. It's known for having a problem and
for covering up that said problem. And apparently the new
pope is famous or known or allegedly I guess he
was involved in successfully doing some covering up. And I
had made some comments on a recent program I was

(01:42:32):
on I forget which one, I was on a number
of things this week, where I suggested that doesn't that
make the most sense that this guy, I mean, if
you're really good at covering up crimes of your organization,
shouldn't you head that organization? Shouldn't that be one of
your biggest skilled skill points experience necessary in order to
even fill the position. I would just, you know, venture

(01:42:53):
a guest there, that's a great comment that you're highlighting,
by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
I like that, Yeah, because there was an argument in
the chat whether it's for centurre, was right wing or
left wing, and nobody can figure it out, even even
the stupid Internet guides like the fake one that's run
by the fake foundation called Media Bias fact Check, which
is designed to smear independent media outlets, by the way,

(01:43:17):
funded for that reason. They can't work out whether we're
left or I think that's great. If they can't work
out if we're left or right wing, we're probably doing
a good job. And this Pittsburgh dude eighty seven says
twenty first century war is truth wing. Thank you very much.
I put a star next to that comment, so it's
like pinned on my board there.

Speaker 13 (01:43:37):
As for the gentleman, the pope being American, I still
haven't done my own research yet, I wanted to say,
and I thought that there was an American pope in
the past. In fact, I want the I thought it
was Pope John Paul the Second, but I don't know.
I have to do some digging find out about this.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
So he was Polish.

Speaker 13 (01:43:56):
Oh okay, see.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
He Polish like the Israeli primarily.

Speaker 13 (01:44:00):
Was an Italian. That's all I know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
Yeah, I like the Israeli Prime minister in Benjamin Millikowski.
He was John Paul the Second was from Poland, So
he was a Polish pope, just like the Polish Prime
Minister of Israel.

Speaker 13 (01:44:12):
But it is, but it is interesting that he is
American and at this time where, like the General Malu,
the hot topic right now is America, where we're going
back to the Golden age in America. Trump's doing the thing,
He's doing things that like other people around the world
are allegedly scratching their head, like, hold on, this isn't
how we normally do things, you know. So, like, I

(01:44:33):
don't know what's going on, but there's this whole, this
whole zeitgeist of they're going to make America like exceptional.
We got the anniversary coming up two hundred and fifty
years of our country and all of that stuff. So
maybe there's something to the fact that they maybe they
maybe they maybe they want America on the global stage
in this form for this, for this next phase that
we're going to be experiencing. I mean, is this going

(01:44:54):
to be the pope that tells everybody it's okay to
accept the technocratic mark of the beast the brain ship
in your head, you know, bless you with the sacrament
before you put it in your brain. I mean, who knows.
I don't know where this is headed, but I don't
think it's by accident that he's American at this time.

Speaker 1 (01:45:09):
He's actually a dual citizen. He's Peru American and Peruvian
citizenship because by nature the amount of time he spent
in the country Peru as a bishop and a cardinal,
I guess as well. And that's where that said allegations
of cover up child abuse cover up was in Peru.
So Pope Benedict basically had big problems in this department.

(01:45:31):
If you guys remember he was the pope before two
thousand and thirteen. I guess I think he died, retired
or died around that time, before Francis came on the
scene here. But this is an interesting comment by Zach.
I was hoping Rabbi Shmooley for Pope. Funny, you should
say that it's Zach because Schmooley is actually involved in

(01:45:55):
this story, believe it or not, Like he's everywhere. Rabbi
super Glue managed to inculcate himself into the papal discussion.
And we'll bring this up on stage. And I kid
you not, guys. So the front runner everybody was talking
about Cardinal Perolin. I think he was Italian, but that

(01:46:19):
was the front runner there. So we'll bring this up
on stage. So that was on April twenty ninth. There's
Rabbi Schmooley, and I've said here rumors out of the
Vaticans suggest this endorsement by Schmooley had sunk Perlin's chances
at pope. So let's take a look at that a
little bit closer. Here there is the man himself, the

(01:46:40):
man who imposed himself on Michael Jackson in his final days,
Robert F. Kennedy Junior's handler, Rabbi Schmooley. So there he is.
He is as soon as Francis. I mean literally, the
smoke wasn't even coming out of the chimney and Smooley
was over there like a shot at the Vatican to

(01:47:02):
basically endorse Perolin Pietro Perlin as the who's a Cardinal General,
General Secretary of State for the for the Vatican, for
the worldwide Church. Schmooley definitely wanted him to be pope
because apparently Perlin was, wait for it, guys, good for Israel.
So somehow it didn't work out. Let's listen to smoothly

(01:47:27):
on the twenty ninth. Here we'll bring this, we'll bring
this back wherever this there it is. Listen to Schmooley
here see what he says. This is a ringing endorsement
on April twenty ninth for Cardinal Pietro Parelin. Here, what an.

Speaker 5 (01:47:46):
Honor for my very dear friend Gary Trupp of Paperway
to meet the Cardinal Secretary of State of Vatican. Cardinal
Perlin has shown himself to be a man of distinct
ability and sublime dignity and great friend of the Jewish community.
And I just wanted to personally communicate that all of
the Holy Fathers Jewish children around the world pray for

(01:48:08):
his speedy recovery and that we have a deep love
and affection for him. And thank you for everything the
Church does to combat at the Semitism and to stand
up for our people. Uh and and thank you for
so graciously greeting. Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
I mean, that's a little bit creepy. What what Why
is Schmooley in the Vatican to begin with? But anyway,
didn't work out, that endorsement didn't work out for Perilin.
That would have been a massive red flag I think
for the conclave. What do you guys think?

Speaker 12 (01:48:42):
I mean, whose idea is it to have this guy
out there? Giving endorsements for anything anyone. I mean, this guy,
this guy can can can we as the Internet and
the world, just like, get rid of this guy somehow,
Like I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
He's amazing. A buzz kill, isn't it? When he shows up?
It's just it's kind of a buzzkill.

Speaker 11 (01:49:04):
Yeah, that's all I'm saying. You know, That's what I mean.
If I get rid of this guy.

Speaker 12 (01:49:08):
I'm not talking like threateningly like some people in our
chat do here. I just mean, like, why does this
guy get so much gas, so much attention? It doesn't
you know it? It may have even tanked this guy's chances.
I mean, let's let's put it how it is. I mean,
at this point, does anyone that's trying to get a
big position want this guy in their orbit? I mean,

(01:49:31):
I just don't understand it. This guy's like trying to
sue hotels all the time. He's grifting around. I mean,
he's just a known grifter, a known grifter. It's like
there's almost like this sort of Jeffrey Epstein's sort of
stench on this guy, Like how do you get in
the party?

Speaker 11 (01:49:48):
Like who invited you? Why do you know all these people? What?

Speaker 12 (01:49:52):
What is actually going on in the background that that
makes you be the person that shows up just attached
to all of these different people and topics over years
and years and years, when you have a decades long
track record of being a psycho, a grifter, just you know,

(01:50:13):
and generally a terrible human being.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
I mean, Michael Jackson thing is is really bad. I
don't know if you guys know the background on that,
but yeah, I mean, it's what happened to Michael Jackson
when Schmooley showed up onto the scene is very very
suspicious and the way that whole thing played out, That's
my problem with him is that he's just so conveniently

(01:50:39):
attached to all these celebrities and people, some people who
then befall very bad outcomes, like Michael Jackson. And why
would he be so concerned with Michael Jackson. It's just
is it have anything to do with Michael Jackson speaking out,
you know, in favor of the Palestinian cause? Did that

(01:50:59):
have anything to do with it? I certainly think it
probably did, And so the record executives were freaking out.
So like send in America's rabbi apparently so is he
America's rabb is even a rabbi or is it's just
like you know.

Speaker 13 (01:51:17):
I thought it was a butt plug salesman or something.

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
He does do kosher sex toys. That is the family business.
Full disclosure. Not that we want to disclose any of that.
I don't even want to, but yeah, that's that's the
business that he's in his family. It's kosher sex toys.
Believe it or not, very wholesome family oriented business.

Speaker 11 (01:51:39):
So yeah, him a great father daughter project.

Speaker 1 (01:51:43):
Yeah, it certainly is. It certainly is.

Speaker 13 (01:51:45):
But they promise a discrete packaging and private privacy and
its shipment. But unfortunately, mister Schmooley has your name, your address,
your phone number, and how many you own. That could
be useful information for various things, just saying, or at.

Speaker 1 (01:51:59):
Least for for reselling with new mail order products as
they come available state of the art, use your imagination.

Speaker 13 (01:52:07):
I certainly won't, and sure we might have the problem
taking care of us eventually, because I'm sure at some
point in this current administration, one Rabbi Shmuley and one
vice president JD. Vance will eventually meet and shake hands.
So that's what happens after that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
All I'm gonna say about that, Rucus is they don't
really care about us. They don't, they don't. All I'm
going to say is they don't really care about us.
You guys, we covered Syria a lot, haven't we over
the years. And so how do you feel when you
see this a state a state visit the head of

(01:52:48):
al Qaeda in Syria, our back Daddy's number two given
a state visit with Macron in France.

Speaker 12 (01:52:56):
I mean, it's pretty unbelievable. It's sickening that that makes
me want to wretch. Quite frankly, we have covered Syria
a lot, uh, more than anyone else perhaps, you know,
minus maybe a few other people. But if if those
people are out there, they're colleagues of ours, and and
we're in that fight with us, and it is just

(01:53:20):
disgusting on so many levels to uh see where this
has ended up.

Speaker 11 (01:53:25):
I it's it's unbelievable. I mean, you you think.

Speaker 12 (01:53:30):
About all of the war propaganda and actual war that uh,
you know, our soldiers have been through, uh in the
wake of nine to eleven and the you know, the
manifestation of the Penac plan and the Greater Israel project,
uh and and to just see the way that they

(01:53:51):
take some some someone like this, or you know, organizations
like al Qaida and a Nisra and and all these
other branches, and just you treat them like they're just
these malleable things that they can reshape and redefine at
any point. Never mind the fact that you know, they've
been chopping heads off of people. Never mind the fact

(01:54:13):
that you know, we've we've, you know, as as the
West Collective West have sent so many soldiers out to
really dangerous situations, you know, some of which didn't come back,
some of which came back, uh, not quite the same,
and and some of which will be dealing with that
the rest of their lives and as well as their
families over the narratives surrounding these people. And then just

(01:54:36):
on a dime, just on a dime, we'll just bring
one of those people into a country like Syria, call
him the leader just out of nowhere, and you know,
put him on the tour, send him, send him on
the tour, go go hang out with Macron, and uh,
you know these other guys like sitting around tables doing cocaine. Apparently,

(01:54:58):
you know, from some of the pictures I've seen on
X this week, that was pretty crazy. You know, it's
just like, what what is this world that we live in,
where where this is the kind of stuff that's going on,
you know, and and how seriously should we take any
of this ideological war posturing, you know that that we're
being given right now, uh, considering.

Speaker 11 (01:55:20):
What we see here.

Speaker 12 (01:55:21):
You know, this is this is like, uh, you know,
this is the the capstone of uh, you know, over
a decade, even longer. It depends how you want to
look at it and how far back you want to
go of of the story of Syria.

Speaker 11 (01:55:35):
And Uh, it's just we're just gonna.

Speaker 12 (01:55:38):
Have to accept that this is uh, you know, like
whatever they write in the history books about this guy,
uh is going to be total garbage. It's going to
be complete garbage and lies. But I mean, I guess
we're at a point where people aren't going to be
reading history books anymore.

Speaker 11 (01:55:52):
Chat GPT and other things.

Speaker 12 (01:55:54):
We'll just tell young people what happened, and you know,
they'll give us the uh, the the approved nearrative on everything.
We won't have to think about, you know, the horrors
and atrocities that that that this guy and his buddies
committed over the years. You know, we'll just just brush
that all under the rug I.

Speaker 1 (01:56:13):
Guess man, I'm trying to divert over to Jilani, but
the comments are blowing up on Schmooley apparently. But this
one's good. Putin shirt looks like smoothly put a vex
on this Zio cardinals.

Speaker 11 (01:56:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:56:32):
But having said that, Jiulani is known as the Kosher
Caliph in Israel because he's absolutely aligned with the La
Coudeite Netignahu regime. They allowed them to take the Golden
Heights and Mount Herman and then destroy all of serious
air defenses. Jiulani was basically hired to do that job

(01:56:56):
by the US, US intelligence Israel, the intelligence Turkish intelligence,
and job done Katari intelligence with Katari cash anyway paid
for it. But the Kosher Califf, Mohammad Abu Mohammad Jilani
now known as Ahmed al Sharar, Saudi born. He's not
even Syrian, folks, He's from Saudi. So, just to add

(01:57:21):
insult to injury, wanted on how do you get from
an FBI wanted list for as a head of a
terrorist organization to then being called president of a country
and getting a state visit? Is Trump going to meet
this guy and shake his hands next week because that's
Trump's going to the Middle East. That's a photo op. Donald,
you don't want let me repeat that, that's a photo op. Donald,

(01:57:44):
you don't want. You don't want to be doing the
photo op like Macron, basically giving credibility and lifting the
reputation of a head chopper, a terrorist. You don't want
to do that, Donald, Just little advice. Guys, that would
be a very very unfortunate photo op if that were

(01:58:04):
to happen.

Speaker 13 (01:58:06):
You know, Similarly to what I said about the new
Pope having a special skill set that plays well in
his new role as the head of that organization, I
say the same thing about this guy, right. What does
that tell you about these roles in these types of organizations, ie,
being a state leader, you got to be a bit
of a terrorist. When you were showing that picture of
Macran and the other guy, I was looking at Hi,

(01:58:27):
I'm like, well, just going based off of what I
know about the world, there's only one terrorist I see
in that picture, and it's Macran, not the other guy.
The other guy is just one of the actors, you
know what I mean. And he's a much better actor
than Zelenski because at least this dude, Jilani shows up
wearing a suit and tie. I hope Vladimir is paying
attention there.

Speaker 1 (01:58:46):
Yeah, they had any of his first suits that he
had didn't fit. It was it was a bit rough.
They were having issues there and they managed to sort
it out. They got him a tailor. The British probably
sent in the savak Row guy got them all suited up.
Who knows. I'd like to know who's making his suits. Actually,
that would be interesting, which which tailor, because then you
could boycott them.

Speaker 13 (01:59:08):
I'm the tailor to the law if you're in America
to do so great.

Speaker 1 (01:59:13):
For your website. Right isis official tailor of ISIS testimonials
Boo off Medal Jelani.

Speaker 13 (01:59:26):
I'll make one of those before and after slider pictures
that people used to feature, and we'll have like the
before after Jilani and what's his new name?

Speaker 1 (01:59:33):
Now? Try. I hope Oswald bow Tang didn't get that job.
I hope please. You know some of these good Mayfair tailors,
I mean, I hope they didn't take that job.

Speaker 3 (01:59:43):
We will.

Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
I'll find out who the tailor is. I have contacts
on sav I know a few people. But that's interesting. Yeah,
so it's very regrettable. Now the rumor is that the
Briton Britain is going to have a state visit with
this al Kaeda leader, this fake president who's not even
having elections. How can you like invade a country under

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arms as a terrorist take over and call yourself a president.
I thought presidents were elected? Is that no? Maybe I'm
just old fashion.

Speaker 12 (02:00:15):
I think that's old school thinking. Pat don't don't worry
about elections. If there was one, it probably wasn't any
good anyway, or it was you know, corrupted by Cozy
Bear and Fancy Bear or some Moldavian twenty three year
olds or someone in Russia or you know, TikTok. You know,
don't worry about presidencies and elections. I mean, hell, Zelenski's

(02:00:36):
not even a president anymore, and you know, people still
don't seem to mind.

Speaker 1 (02:00:41):
Speaking of Zelenski, there was a little scandal. Did you
guys see the meeting of the Coalition of the Willing?
By any chance? Apparently, so it's Macron Zelenski Mertz and well,
this is klework al Massion put this up, and we're
gonna have to use the slow motion cam on this guys,

(02:01:01):
because you really have to watch closely.

Speaker 3 (02:01:04):
Here.

Speaker 1 (02:01:04):
I'm going to bring this up on screen. This is wild. Okay.
You thought you thought we were in and deep in
the weeds before. Okay, this is actually wild. Let's bring
this up here. See if we can take a look
at this. Okay, so so Kavork saying, watch closely. You

(02:01:25):
see this picture. You see Macron with this big grin
on his face. He looks like a chest your cat.
When these guys walked in start Mertz and somebody else.
And there's a little like white bag or white something
or rather by the glass sitting in front of Macron,
and there's a folder. And I want you guys to

(02:01:45):
everybody watch Macron very closely. Okay, watch Macron very closely.
And how he's behaving here. Notice he has been with
Zelenski the last two days. Okay, they all have Zelensky.
I don't know if he's in the room or he's outside.
I'm not sure. It looks like they're in a boat
or something. It's like tight quarters. But watch Macron. This

(02:02:08):
is just the weirdest thing. We'll take the volume off
so we can just pay attention. Watch Macron closely. There
he goes there's Mertz next to him, the tall guy,
that's the German, little guy, that's Starmer There coming in
British Prime Minister. Lots of gravitas and there's Macrons in
the middle. So watch Macrons sit down, keeping on his

(02:02:30):
left hand, keeping on his left hand. And Macron's like,
he just notices something on the table here, and he's, oh,
just grab that. He's gonna go and put that in
his pocket. It's just the strangest thing. And he's got
to look at That's what what is going on there.

(02:02:52):
So Kovork is saying, we'll take a look at that again.
But Kavork is saying, I'm not saying Macron hiding a
bag of coke, but let's just say if it were
a bag of sugar or grocery seat, he wouldn't have
tucked it away like a squirrel hiding snacks for winter.
Very well. Put bike of workout massion. I find that

(02:03:14):
to be very strange. There's a lot of speculation about
what it might be. You know what it might be.
He was hanging out with Zelenski, so obviously there's that,
And I don't know, you guys, do you think this
is suspect.

Speaker 13 (02:03:29):
Yes, but did you notice it looks like at that
very moment they were posing for a still picture. So again,
it could be the thing, or it could just be
a random thing that he didn't just didn't wanted a picture,
but he did. He did react quite obvious. It's a
bit on the nose. I hate to say it, but.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
No pun intended. Okay, yeah, Ruckus, you know that's why
we appreciate Ruckus being a balancing force in this conversation
towards a potential real estate normal explanation to what looks
like a shady move by Macron. But of course our
bias is maybe getting the best of us here. We

(02:04:09):
just think the worst with these guys, don't we Zelenski
and Macron.

Speaker 11 (02:04:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (02:04:15):
Look at his eyes, look focus instead of focusing on
his hands, look at his eyes. He's got He's totally
got saucer dish eyes right there.

Speaker 11 (02:04:26):
Uh, these guys, I don't know.

Speaker 12 (02:04:29):
I'm having a hard time doing anything but jumping on
the bandwagon with this one. These guys are looks to
me like they are partying and they're ready to party hard.

Speaker 1 (02:04:41):
Yeah, Ian says Macron made a hash of that. Yes,
he certainly did. He's certainly hash of Zelenski's stash. So anyway,
that's a little bit strange. I don't know if you
guys saw any of these the photos, I mean, the
photos that they do are just getting really ridiculous. It's
like everything is a photo op, like a historic photo

(02:05:04):
photo op, along with ten thousand other historic photo ops,
to the point where there's like none of these images
are significant, but they're constantly posing. Especially Zelensky, I mean,
everything he does is historic, Like I'm here with the
European leaders and he tweets it out. He says, here,
I am with Prime Minister such and such, President such

(02:05:25):
and such, we're about to sign a historic agreement on
such and such. And it's just the same. They've been
doing this this gag forever. There's one here I want
to show you guys, which is yeah, it's it's it's
Zolensky tweeting this out. He's constantly on it doing these
ones here. But this is, uh, bring this up on screen.

(02:05:48):
What would you call this? I'm gonna say reservoir frogs.
Reservoir frogs. Obviously with mac cronby, it's just stupid. But
look how big Mertz. Is he looks like he's about
seven to two.

Speaker 11 (02:06:04):
Yeah, he's a totle Lurch.

Speaker 1 (02:06:06):
Is it the white angle lens? Or is he gonna
make Donald Trump look like a small guy?

Speaker 3 (02:06:11):
Or?

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
I know Zelenski is five foot four. I know he's
actually five. Believe it or not, you guys, Zlenski is
around five, between five three and five four. He is
very small. Macron is five seven I think with the
heels on, and Starmar's about five seven. Olof Schultz was

(02:06:35):
quite short as well, he's around five to seven. And
look at Mertz. You know the chance was.

Speaker 13 (02:06:42):
Tall because everyone else is so short, then.

Speaker 1 (02:06:45):
Maybe so, I mean Trump six three and a half
and he towers over most of these guys. And uh
but Mertz is Yeah, it's pretty impressive, the Chancellor, Chancellor
Mertz or shot we say, Chancellor Lurch.

Speaker 13 (02:07:03):
I want to see a picture of Zelenski and Marco
Rubio standing next to Baron Trump. That would be interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:07:09):
I want to see Yeah, and barefoot no, no, no lifts, yeah, no.

Speaker 13 (02:07:15):
Living evidence giants lived in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (02:07:20):
Yeah, that's probably the greatest mem of all time, is
that one of Baron Trump walking into the White house
and it looks like he's about fifteen feet high. Have
you seen that? Yeah, that's that is one of the
greatest mems.

Speaker 11 (02:07:32):
I love that. Yeah, I showed that on Boiler Room.

Speaker 1 (02:07:35):
It was hilarious ever because it looks so realistic too.
But yeah, he's pretty good. I mean, Baron's NBA power
forward six six', nine six' ten or something like that's. Pretty,
impressive yeah doesn't play, basketball unfortunately could have got a.

Speaker 13 (02:07:51):
Full RIDE but i hear he's a fan, of wrestling
just saying.

Speaker 1 (02:07:56):
Uh, yeah yeah, that's uh. That's. Disturbing guys we're gonna
wrap it up in a Moment and i'll give you guys.
THE floor, i mean we talked about our guys a
couple of. Weeks, ago Kneecap the irish band guess what
they're Coming To. Plymouth way they booked three nights At,

(02:08:18):
the depot which is a really hardcore kind of rock,
and roll, rough metal hip hop pub where They, do
yeah the type of venue that's no frills because it
needs heavy cleaning after.

Speaker 11 (02:08:32):
A gig that sounds like my kind. Of joint are you?
GONNA GO i I think i'll.

Speaker 1 (02:08:36):
Probably go i'll check out one Of the they book
three nights and It's in july or something, like that
so it'll be. Pretty interesting it'll probably get canceled or
there'll be some national security letter or something saying it's,
too dangerous because they're definitely going to attract their all the. Wrong.

Speaker 12 (02:08:56):
ATTENTION yeah i would imagine at the, very least they'll
be a good astro turf.

Speaker 1 (02:09:01):
Protest, outside yeah maybe in favor, of them would.

Speaker 13 (02:09:06):
Be nice maybe you could reach out, To them patrick
and arrange to do like a sit down interview with
them or something behind.

Speaker 1 (02:09:12):
The scenes, oh, yeah yeah that would be a. Good, idea,
actually yeah that. Might happen that might. Actually. Happen Yeah
so kneecap Coming. To, plymouth. Yeah yeah they had a,
big venue booked HUGE venue i think. It was it
was a major it was a stadium along with other
BIG bands, i think and they got them canceled and

(02:09:34):
then they went and their manager went and booked, a
local smaller venue for. Three nights so that's the way.
It goes that show business folks that.

Speaker 12 (02:09:44):
Show business, yeah yeah and the fact that they had
that they're able to sell out three nights really says,
a lot you know that that means that the bigger
stadium and and all those people are. Losing out they're
they're actually taking the l on because they could have
sold out the larger venue and used the larger, you

(02:10:05):
know promoters and all. That stuff but, you, know hey
politics are, more important, you know the narrative is more
important when you know your whole business depends. On it
so but it just goes, to show, you know it's
not going to stop these guys. From playing and, you,
know yeah the medium size venues will will work and
they'll sell, them out, you know three nights in.

Speaker 1 (02:10:26):
A Row good that much love we Got for palestine in,
the chat, Thanks chat look at this just one. After another, boom,
boom wow. Thank. You yep, someone says we'll put in,
a word do put in, a word We'll get we'll
get really good traction. On that by, the way. Thank

(02:10:46):
you callish from A nice irish. Flag there we like
to see, the green the white and the orange. Running
vertically it's always a. Nice sign and an upside down
red triangle, no comment no. COMMENT whatsoever i have no
idea what, that means the upside down, red triangle but
nonetheless very. Good comment no frills venue. Sounds good that's one, Of,

(02:11:11):
yours hasha it's one of, your, people yeah. For sure
and Sporting the Viking the viking hairstyle there and, so yeah, Interesting,
interesting yeah, some great great. Comments there, appreciate. It guys
sorry that we had an eighty two hundred unit or

(02:11:32):
Whatever has bara infiltration in our comment threads today. On
YouTube BUT like, i said it's, been reported so you're
probably not going to see him in the.

Speaker 13 (02:11:42):
Next comments it's probably just A rogue ai program.

Speaker 1 (02:11:45):
Or something, could be could, be. Yes, somebody yeah there's
a lot of weird corries, out there JUST saying i know.
A few that's not to say. ANYTHING particular i just
happened to, but, uh anyway in your, face says oh,
my gosh they're Talking about. Zelenski, here yeah, SO guys

(02:12:08):
i think. That's that we're going to wrap. THIS up i,
appreciate you, and uh some BIG changes, I think i,
DON'T know i feel some some major. Shifts happening Talks
with iran, Going well trump's pulled Away. From yemen looks
like there's issues Between net Yahu. AND trump i find
this to be, extremely POSITIVE so, I like i'm happy

(02:12:31):
the way things. Are trending obviously we're not holding our breath,
too long but we're happy with the direction that things.
Are trending so it's about. Freaking time but THAT'S all i.
Can SAY so i Don't Know Marjorie taylor green coming
out like that and basically spiking That anti, SEMITISM bill,

(02:12:51):
i mean OR anti. Bds bill. That's man i've been CRITICAL,
of MGT but i gave her, huge Props And matt
gates came in there as well and, smashed it, smashed
it so like these are the real, you know these
are the, Real maggots these are the, Real patriots. THESE
guys i think it's sometimes it takes some time to,

(02:13:13):
come around, too long, in fact. Too Long but i'm
not Going to i'm not going to thumb my nose
at them if they do, come around even if. It's
late welcome To the welcome to, the. Party folks so
we're very happy to see. IT there I Wish matt
gates would get a little more vocal on some of,
these issues a little, more active considering they screwed him

(02:13:34):
out of his. House, seat yeah with a head fake
on a. Cabinet nod that was. Very clever got, him
out so he Didn't Challenge mike johnson.

Speaker 3 (02:13:43):
For.

Speaker 1 (02:13:44):
Speaker hm that sort of worked out Well, for mike. Didn't,
it Yeah Mister, mike johnson so boiling frogs, we are Says.
Zp zapp the, whole world the planet is. Boiling frog.
It's Constantly john fetterman's also been in. The news We
didn't it's. It's Hilarious the fetterman drama is. So classic it's.

(02:14:10):
Just beautiful it's not like we didn't. Warn people remember
we were talking about this when he was Running. For
Senate but i'm happy to see and he got right
Behind nets yahu when he heard About this. Trump spat fetterman.
Got Right and i'm very happy that the Special Needs
senate caucus is behind lining Up. BEHIND israel i think.

(02:14:31):
That's wonderful more power, To You. John fetterman, he, is, Uh,
yeah pennsylvania what have? You done what have you? Guys,
Done honestly, but anyway. He's funny. He's funny did you
see him on the park bench from someone coming up
to him and he, WAS like i don't want. To

(02:14:51):
talk and he was wearing he was like some random
guy with. A hoodie and there's like long. Basketball shorts
even Met nan ya who wearing. The sweatshirt what's wrong with?

Speaker 14 (02:15:03):
This?

Speaker 1 (02:15:03):
GUY uh i think he's it's a IT'S a.

Speaker 11 (02:15:07):
Pr thing i'm convinced it's Just.

Speaker 12 (02:15:10):
Like zelenski this is someone whoever manages, his look his
pr whatever you want to call.

Speaker 11 (02:15:16):
That is they have a deal With.

Speaker 12 (02:15:19):
Car heart he's always Wearing, car hearts Just, like zelenski
always wearing That cheap Chinese knockoff airsoft. Tactical stuff we
even we found the name of the company like two
and a half. Years ago we did a whole expose,
on IT and i think we even talked about It
On sunday wire on the follow up.

Speaker 11 (02:15:35):
To it but it's. IT'S contrived i think it's. Completely contrived.

Speaker 12 (02:15:40):
You know it's not like he just wakes up every day,
and says, YOU know i feel like wearing My. Car
hearts because there's Plenty of americans that do you KNOW what?
I mean there are Plenty of americans that only Shop
at carhart and it doesn't, bother them or they don't
know that most of that stuff is Made, in china
even though It's an american company and it's, you know
decent gears so people, wear it and, YOU know i
think it's the.

Speaker 11 (02:16:01):
Same thing it's it's.

Speaker 12 (02:16:02):
Just pandering they're, just pandering and that it's kind of
like it's almost a takeoff from an older Era Of.
Silicon valley remember there was this long stretch, of years
probably more than, a decade where everybody thought it was
so Cool That mark zuckerberg only had. One shirt he
may have had one hundred of the, same shirt but

(02:16:23):
it was like this disruptor sort of pr thing for
him to wear the. Same CLOTHES and i think it
was supposed to show like, the hustle, you, know, LIKE
oh I don't i don't have time to think about my.

Speaker 11 (02:16:33):
OUTFIT today i wear the same shirt. Every day.

Speaker 12 (02:16:36):
You know it's it's it's a similar like low level
psychological pr trick that that they're applying to an avatar
Like a zuckerberg Or a fetterman speaking.

Speaker 1 (02:16:50):
Of people that Look. Like lurch is that sort Of
like elon saying he sleeps on the. Factory, Floor, yeah
yeah it's probably that kind. Of thing he's too he's
just he's so, you know he's so there present for.
This staff i'll leave it on this comment BECAUSE this
i Like how ian has wrapped this up. VERY nicely
I suppose us politics is rather like professionalism ABOARD The Uss.

(02:17:15):
Harry truman indeed. It is indeed it is very good
candy Observation By, ian taff one of our. Commenters there
appreciate all, you guys all of our regulars in. The
chat thank, You chat thank you chat at twenty first
century wire dot com. As well nice to see you.
Guys back it's great to. Be back and before, we,

(02:17:39):
leave gentlemen what are you doing? This week where can
people follow, your activities antics and? Other crimes.

Speaker 11 (02:17:50):
Find Us At Alternate current radio. Dot com that's our.

Speaker 12 (02:17:53):
Main hub there you'll find, this episode find a show
page for it up There at alternatetcurrent radio dot com
currently and it we'll also have the audio podcast shortly
after the show, up there, of course you can find
it the twenty first century wire. Dot com Also. Boiler
room we'll be doing a boiler Room. On thursday we
did a boiler Room last thursday after taking a couple

(02:18:13):
of weeks off and it. Was great it was great
to be back. On air great to be back on
air this week after a. Week off there a well
timed week off actually for me, At, Least patrick so
glad you're feeling better and glad to be back with.
You here so find Us At Alternate current radio. Dot

(02:18:34):
com you can maybe also find Me at Thepulse. Dot
today some changes going on on the website, over There
and i'm kind of standing by to get back On
That pulse radio two link up there and we'll give you.

Speaker 11 (02:18:49):
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Speaker 12 (02:19:01):
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Speaker 11 (02:19:06):
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and thanks again for Having. Me patrick have a great
rest Of, your, sunday everybody and we'll see you for

(02:19:27):
A boiler Room on thursday midweek Wire on wednesday Hopefully
And sunday wire again.

Speaker 1 (02:19:32):
Next week Thank you brian Mcleany, aka husher, appreciate It
and ruckus will close out.

Speaker 3 (02:19:40):
With.

Speaker 9 (02:19:41):
You.

Speaker 13 (02:19:42):
YEAH sure i actually just LAST week i made a
bunch of appearances on a number of live shows rather
than getting my own. Podcast done i'm not sure what's
going to happen, next WEEK because i. Am up i've
got a lot of work. TO do i picked up
a client which is going to help me pay, my
bills so that's, good news but it might keep me
away from producing a new Episode Of The daily ruckus,

(02:20:03):
this Week but i'm going to make every effort to
get one of those. Out there it Is The. Daily ruckus.
Either way you Will Find The daily ruckus as well
as my appearances on other programs Such As weaponized News With,
sam CHANEY which i do co Host. Every monday but
you'll also pretty soon, After today i'm going to make
a post. UP there i do a series It's Called Round.
About ruckus So anytime i'm on somebody else's program Other

(02:20:26):
Than sunday Wire Or, boiler room of course it's part
Of My. Roundabout ruckus But ON friday i was a
guest on a terrific program Called The third Rail third,
rail podcast which is Hosted By. Nature boy you Might Know,
nature yeah, he's GREAT but i got to go on
air with him Alongside Mister, brad BINKLEY and i had

(02:20:48):
never had the opportunity to share the airwaves With mister
binkley and that. Was FUN and i think Me and
brad are going to get together and do something else
sometime in the. Near future and Then Also jamie hanshaw
shot out to me recently and at some point, this
month me and her are going to do a live.
Stream thing we're gonna get together and we're going to
TALK some. Ai stuff so that should. Be fun so

(02:21:10):
looking forward to all of. Those things but you'll find
all of That At Alternate current radio.

Speaker 1 (02:21:14):
Dot, com yeah a. NICE one i LIKE that ai,
deep one deep deep deep rabbit hole, of. There folks
he's just going to get deeper and wider and deeper by.
The day, but well we can talk about. That afterwards
look forward to what you guys are going to, present
there ruckus You and jamie. On that so great To

(02:21:34):
see jamie.

Speaker 13 (02:21:35):
As well i'll give you a little bit of. A
tease apparently something went down and read it and they
just discovered that a lot of folks that they were
interacting with on these threads and stuff aren't.

Speaker 1 (02:21:46):
Even real. WEIRD figure i couldn't wouldn't have. Believed it
oh you. TOLD me I saw jay dharr was On the. Whatever,
podcast yeah that. WAS fantastic i just saw a clip
of it when he was debating some probably a feminine, or, Something,
right yeah that.

Speaker 13 (02:22:01):
WAS ai, i thought there's no way this.

Speaker 1 (02:22:03):
IS real i thought it, was, fair YEAH because i
was like and it was just like two of them
with like a referee in. The middle so that.

Speaker 11 (02:22:10):
Was fantastic that was.

Speaker 12 (02:22:11):
Absolutely great and also four chan experienced a massive hack
and dump, and docks and as we have suspected and
been wargaming and spitballing for more than a, decade now
all the mods had either dot gov or dot edu,

(02:22:31):
Email addresses so the whole thing is basically exactly what.
We thought it was just a giant cesspool of glowing
fed boys and people at universities on contracts just doing
what all the weird things that four chan has done

(02:22:52):
for over all.

Speaker 11 (02:22:53):
These YEARS so i guess rest, in Peace. FOUR chan.

Speaker 12 (02:22:57):
I don't i guess it's, probably BACK but i don't
know if it could ever recover. From That like reddit And,
four chan we may have hit the end of an
era here with those. Two sites and, you, know vindication
absolute vindication as far as like what is running, those
sites who is running, those sites who some of those.

(02:23:17):
Mods ARE and i found that to be very a
fun and interesting story this, week also and there was a.

Speaker 1 (02:23:24):
Lot of israeli agency and, government activity and you know
what's interesting? About that And eight chen. AS well i assumes, The,
same okay is all the mass shooters involved or radicalized
or putting manifestos On four chan And eight chen not?
A coincidence not? A coincidence is exactly as, we said

(02:23:48):
as you, Correctly, Said esher we have been saying this
for over, a decade and our suspicions. Were correct, and
yes it is, a massive, sigh up total manipulation behind
the various sock puppet layers of. Sock, puppets oh magically. A,
manifesto oh It's. On fortune mainstream media is reporting. It

(02:24:10):
dutifully almost It's. On fortune found a Manifesto? On fortune?
Totally normal, right.

Speaker 12 (02:24:16):
Yeah, no, No no and and the group that, did this
they or, you know by extension who they share this.
Stuff With the they have a massive research, opportunity here
which is to like you're like, you're, saying here go
back to individual uploads that are very important that are attached,
to uh, you know big stories that are, you know

(02:24:39):
like daily, shooter programs story stuff, like, that manifestos all.
These things there's a massive research opportunity there because they
say they've got ALL the ip addresses and emails from
the user accounts and the mods. And everything so who uploaded,
you know manifesto X, y z who you know? All,
this like, someone please whoever is part of that system

(02:25:03):
that did? This hack we the public would love to
see some further research on some, specific uploads some, specific
accounts how it played into. CERTAIN narratives, i mean it
sounded like, an, absolute massive massive hack. And dump they
pulled the. Source code they have the source code of

(02:25:25):
the whole website everything from the sound. Of IT so
i really really hope that this isn't one of those
things that we just say and talk about, and, say
yep oh that was just like we thought.

Speaker 11 (02:25:35):
It was we're rundicurated. Her, Hurt, NO like i want to.

Speaker 12 (02:25:37):
KNOW whose ip addresses those were that were involved in uploading.

Speaker 11 (02:25:42):
Those things who the mods were that didn't take?

Speaker 12 (02:25:44):
Them down there's just a whole web of intrigue that
should come out of a hack, like.

Speaker 1 (02:25:50):
This some important evidence there that there are other people
involved in these so called mass shootings and radicalized individuals
and stuff. Like, THAT yeah i can really catch them
red handed. On this that's, worth, doing folks especially when
all these narratives have been built around these, high profile,

(02:26:13):
you know. Crisis, events yeah as dodgy as. WE expected
i hate to, Say it, we're right hate to. Say,
it well, you. Know unbelievable you got called a raving
conspiracy theorists for even suggesting. Such, things yeah not so.

(02:26:34):
Long AGO so i guess we sort of know what
we were. Looking at we knew what we knew what to,
Look for we knew what we're, looking at and we
kind of had an idea that something isn't didting, add
up and we keep getting proven right with all. These
exposures these people are so oh, my gosh it's Just, beyond,

(02:26:54):
honestly honestly it's beyond. Its a it's. A theater it's
a bit. Freaking theater basically.

Speaker 11 (02:27:04):
All the internets. THE stage i guess it.

Speaker 1 (02:27:07):
Absolutely is it, absolutely. IS guys i really. Appreciate it.
Great show it's a lot, going on. It's things we're
in a quickening phase at. THE moment i dread to
think what they're cooking up for, the summer but by
the looks of what we've seen over the last couple,
of weeks it's gonna. Be interesting so we'll keep our

(02:27:28):
fingers on, the poles keep our eyes on, the ball
and hopefully we'll be able to bring you some. More news.
And now sisters are are great friends. And teammates, Brian,
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(02:27:50):
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take care, of, you guys all. The best that's all
we got time, for, Today folks really appreciate you joining
us For The sunday. Wire again this is episode five
hundred and forty six Of The. Sunday wire big thanks

(02:28:10):
to Our Guest. Frank romano in the first segment involved
With The gaza freedom flotilla attacked By the israelis just.
Last week and completely screwed by the Government of malta IN,
the eu so they're pushing back with. Legal actions so

(02:28:30):
we totally support that effort by everybody involved with that
great humanitarian effort there to bring much needed aid and
food and raise awareness to the blockade and the siege
that's being placed By The united States and israel And
the british government And the germans AND, the eu the
siege it's being imposed on the starving People. Of, gaza

(02:28:53):
okay these people have stepped up trying to do something
and they got attacked in. The process we'll get Updates
from frank, on THAT so i look forward to keeping
tabs on that story. With him he's on the front lines.
Of that So again i'm, Your Host. Patrick, kenningson folks
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Speaker 5 (02:31:00):
Much.

Speaker 1 (02:31:00):
Much, appreciated listen we'll leave it, for today and you
know WHAT can? I say we'll have more coming next
week and hopefully we're working on a few other little
additions to our. Music repertoire You saw Payoti for president
during The Break, palestinian children, great track a. Great artist
go check out his YouTube channel, As well Payoti, For

(02:31:23):
president Payot. For president he's a great artist if you like,
world music he is, really amazing great artist as well
known him for a. Long time we just happen to
be on the same page with this, important Issue The,
Palestinian issue so we Appreciate you payoti and also, well
listen we'll, break now but we'll leave with a couple

(02:31:44):
of musical pieces before, We go this one Again. From
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(02:32:05):
the artist. Next week but enjoy and take care of.
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My mind, all, right folks that's a little interesting, one there,
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