SUNDAY WIRE EP 549 – ‘The Shattering of Syria’ with guest Karim Franceschi - Sunday Wire with Patrick Henningsen

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Glad.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to this week's edition of
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(00:44):
If you subscribe to any of those, they'll be uploaded
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is episode five hundred and forty nine of this weekly
The Bus News and Analysis radio program. We've got a
special segment just to kick things off. We're going to

(01:06):
bring on a special guest to talk about the important
developing situation, the crisis, potential civil war in fact in Syria,
the eminent breakup of Syria, potentially very important conversation. We're
going to bring our guest, very special guest, on to
talk about that shortly, and then afterwards we're going to
go into overdrive and we'll be joined by a couple

(01:30):
of our team members at Alternate Current Radio Network, Hesher
aka Brian McClain also Basil Valentine may join us as
well in the Overdrive segment. A lot of news to cover,
a lot of domestic US news as well. We'll be
sure to hit that. But I want to bring on
our guest right now and we'll bring him up on stage.

(01:50):
He's joining us on the live link and I want
to welcome onto the program, Kareem Franceski. Kareem, thank you
very much for joining us this week on the Sunday Wire.
Thank you for inviting me. Patrick, thank you. And just
a little introduction. Kareem is a born in Casablanca, Morocco.

(02:13):
His father's Italian mother's Moroccan and he basically got introduced
to the Syrians story Kareem when he went to Kobani
in twenty fourteen on a humanitarian mission. And based on
what you saw there, it seems like you decided to
stay and really join the fight to defend that city,

(02:37):
to defend the Kurdish community as well as the broader
community against the emergence of ISIS. And this has been
recounted in your books as well. If you go to
Kareem's social media, will bring his account up on screen
briefly in a few minutes or later on in a segment,
But that's part of your experience there. Of course, you've

(03:00):
been back to Syria since as well, and the fall
of Raka. You've had firsthand experience there, so you've got
a really unique, I think, perspective Kareem about what's going
on in the country. But I want to hand it
over to you. Hopefully I got your bio correct there,
but it's you know, looking back at all that's happened

(03:24):
to that country from you know, twenty eleven, the so
called Arab Spring, all of the different trials and tribulations
of Syria, all the fighting, the Balkanization of the country,
and then look what happened in December. It was something
that a lot of people did not expect to happen,

(03:44):
and so suddenly and I personally, you know myself, I've
been to Syria during the war in twenty seventeen and
it's to me horrifying what's happened to this country. So
we have a lot to talk about there, but I'm
going to hand it over to you. You anything else
you want to tell me about or tell our audience about,

(04:05):
you know, your experience with Syria, and then we'll get
into the discussion about where things are now under the
new regime.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
But go ahead, kareem, thank you Patrick. Well, but they're
there to add. I've been a commander in between twenty
sixteen twenty seventeen. I helped set up the International YPG Battalion,
which hosted foreign volunteers internationalists how that's how I like

(04:37):
to call them. And they came from all over Europe,
all over the world, and we had a significant contribution
during the campaign to liberate Raka. So all that advance
from Kobani to the liberation of what at that time
was the capital of the Islamic State.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
I in the years I've been there as an Arab
Moroccan Amazikh, I have no relation to the Kurdish cause
in terms of bloodlines. My parents are not Kurdish. And
when I went there, I went there as a Marxist
activist and I had no real relation to the Kurdish

(05:21):
cause up to that point. And then I decided, you know,
to make the jump, so to speak, and enjoying the
resistance in a city under siege. My Italian camerads were
telling me I was full back then, and also the
Kurdish camrades were across the board in Turkey told me
the same. But in that time I rose through the

(05:45):
ranks of the YPG. I learned Kurdish fluently. I learned
the Arabic act, the type of Arabic that is spoken Shami,
that is spoken in that region. Moroccans speak the Rijia,
and they would not understand the word you say when
you're there. So I was always an outsider somehow until

(06:07):
the Deberation of Raca, until I had not only the
International Battalion under my command, but I had like three
to five hundred men which were Arabs in the southern
front of Raca, and they were all under my command,
and I could relate to them very well because I
speak their same language. I understand the culture. So I

(06:28):
was never and that's what I wanted to precize. I
was never Lawrence of Arabia. I was never the Western savior,
the white men going there to teach the brown men
how to fight. I was always as an Italian half Moroccan,
as a Moroccan half Italian. So I walked among them,
but I wasn't one of them. That's my point. Yeah,

(06:52):
we've got some pictures. Actually, we'll bring this up on
screen some images from your time there will show us here.
What's this presumably is a tank that was commondeered by ISIS.
I would imagine, yeah, that was a tank that was
air striped by the coalition. And it's funny that picture
was published by the Turkish press. They called me Italian

(07:15):
terrorists join the kids in the siege of Kobani, because
Turkey at that time was cheering for ISIS to finish
off the Kurdish resistance, which has been a torn in
turkyside for a long time, as you know.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, so I would imagine this is a tank stolen
from the Iraqi Arsenal and then brought across the border.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, or maybe even from Asad they because the things
that they have taken from the Iraqi Arsenal, we're talking
about Abrahams. Yeah, we're not talking about T seventy two's
or T seventy six, we're talking about Abrahams. We're talking
about American equipment. And they brought that also to Kobani.

(08:01):
For sure, that before the American intervention. If you look
at the images, because there was a big hill on
the Turkeys side and they were filming the siege while
it was happening, and even before American intervention, you would
think air strikes were taking place because Ices brought so
much equipment from Mosul, and they were using tanks and

(08:24):
artillery so heavily that it looks like air strikes. The
city wasn't destroyed by the Americans, was already destroyed by
ISIS during the siege.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
So this is this is RockA. This is Cobani, Cobine.
So this is this is Cobani after the siege of Cobani. Okay,
and that's that's you. They're holding what looks like what
a collection of.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Cough in AK forty seven Yeah, and AK forty seven.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Okay, there's the classic and then you're wearing gilly suits here,
So I assume sniping sniper duty here.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, Like in the the two months, in the three
months I was in the siege, the first month, I
lost five times. My team, like my team was completely
budgeted and I had to be moved to a new team,
and new teams keep kept getting formed until I was
selected to join the the sniper unit, which was one

(09:20):
one platoon led by I don't know if you remember
how Mussa. The sniper is a Kurd whose picture has
become very notorious because it's a picture of him and
under him the ruins of Kobani and he's holding a
sniper rifle and I was basically I was his pupil

(09:41):
for a month. And that's me with the mosin Nagant
with the scope which is the PSO one scope, the
scopes that usually go on a Dragon OFV on an SVD.
And yeah, like I was just improvising, and that's the
only rifle that was left for me. So it wasn't ideal. Really,

(10:02):
I prefer to have something more light. But he did
the job.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
And I remember having a conversation with a member of
the Syrian Arab Army when I was in Syria and
they were talking about their facing off against ISIS fighters
and they said that these were the best trained soldiers
that they had ever encountered, that they had been They
appeared like they were trained to NATO's standard, the level

(10:30):
they're well equipped. These weren't ragtag fighters by any stretch
of the imagination. Maybe this was early on. I'm sure
that the ranks changed over the years, But what was
that your experience as well? Was there quite powerful fighting force?

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Absolutely? Yeah, I can attest to that. We found Arab
sniper and he had a booklet written in perfect English,
perfect like academic level, and he had all the calculations
done in it, and they were like not only NATO standards,
they were like American standards. Because you have to understand

(11:10):
it was from Saudi Arabia. We could tell because he
had his passpot on him. But yes, the thing, the
calculations were done in mill in mills, and only the
US Army trains that way. Like if you go anywhere
else in the world, they don't train in mills. They

(11:31):
have other ways to calculate distances. They don't do miles.
It makes no sense for US to do miles with
do kilometers meters. So that guy had for sure some
kind of very advanced military training from a US entity.
There is no way around that.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, we'll bring that back up on screen here. And
just so this is the International Brigade. These are the International.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
That's that's the Core Assault Group. I'm on the right,
I had sixteen with a term of sight on it.
And in front, going from right to left, you have
a British ex Army veteran. He has had some deployments
in Afghanistan. Then the one sitting with RPG was just

(12:21):
a political volunteer, ideological from Spain. Then you have an
American with the rockets in his back, no prior military experience,
but the core commanders of my my battalion were the
two sitting next to him. So the one in front
from Finland, Finnish officer he had. You can't see it,

(12:42):
but he has a night vision scope on his rifle
that we took from isis very advanced. And again another
one from Finland, also a Finnish officer, and then one
Germany and England. The one from Germany which is the
almost last, the second from the right, he has died.

(13:06):
He has been killed by a Turkish air strike when
Turkey later on he launched the incursion inside Syria up
to take Rasselain because call it Surakhani, and he tried
to defend that city. And yeah, a lot of more
than you think, more foreign volunteers than you would think,

(13:29):
have been killed by Turkish air strikes. And of course
there was never any complaints from the coalition.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
We'll bring a map of Syria up here on screen,
and we're talking mainly. I think your experience being the
northeastern quadrant of the country, so you can see a
Raka province in the middle and then al Hakkasa and
Kamicheli and so you have experience in a lot of

(13:59):
these areas uh I gather and the well we'll get
to the configurations, we'll we'll talk about the present day Seria.
But I think it's important that people understand, you know,
the role and the position of the Kurdish forces uh
in Syria. And just just to finish off those those

(14:21):
images that you provided us here and you can see
that's the the flag of the white is that the YPG.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Flag, International Soul flag. We designed it.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeap so the international So how did they how did
people recruit? Is it something that people just did self deployed,
you know, they just tried to reach out via you
know and and social media or go there and and
literally tried to get on the ground and get involved.
And what was your experience with how people came came

(14:54):
to to join this effort.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Well, when I joined it was it was pretty much
there was no system for it. I was one of
the first who got there. So when I went to
Kobani and I watched on screen Jordan Mattson and another
four five volunteers were on the other side of Syria,

(15:21):
and I thought they were in Kubani. When I arrived,
they found out that was the only internationalist there short
of some Turkish internationalist who were from those communist Turkish
parties were illegal in Turkey on terrorist lists. But short
of that, I didn't find anyone until later on I
found there was an American Jew there also, and some

(15:44):
others were like half Kurds, so not really internationalists, but
they were living in the West and they came there.
But after later on they set up an academy International
Academy because like foreign volunteers started to you know, show
up more and more and request to join more and more.

(16:05):
They would just write emails to the to the account
of YPG International. They had a website and and then
you had a big influx, and you had all kinds
of people coming over, ideologically aligned, complete fascists, You had adventurists,
many adventures showed up really and then they when when

(16:29):
the numbers increased later on in twenty sixteen, you had
a big influx of ideological volunteers, people who were ideologically
aligned with the with the Autonomous Cause, like, which is
very close to anarchy, but it's really socialist. It's not
an anarchist. But don't tell that to anarchists. They will
not believe you. They would argue with you incessantly at

(16:51):
any rate you had. Also, it's sad to say, but
you had a proportionate increase in volunteers, is intake and
requests as the air strikes intensified.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Because when I went there.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Strikes were very little, like you could not call air
strikes to begin with, so you would hope for them
not to hit you, because that's sometimes they hit our positions,
and we didn't have.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
A real.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Systematic way to coordinate with the international coalition. That changed
significantly in Raka where we would be able to do
that more efficiently, and they did most of the job.
On this point. There are a lot of noises around,
especially coming from the US establishment, where they say, oh, yeah,

(17:43):
well Trump said it. The Kurds are very good at
fighting when they have air strikes. With our strikes, they're
not so good. Yeah, and he launched the job at them.
I must say that that's a real problem that I
addressed with commanders during the Kurds were very good at

(18:04):
fighting without air strikes before the international community showed up,
then they became over reliant on them. And that's a
direct consequence of of the help they received, because until
the US showed up, the Kurds there they were fighting
against Isis, they were fighting against a Nustra Sinjar like,

(18:27):
they were fighting all over the place, and they were
holding their end clubs. It's not like they've been overwhelmed.
So yeah, that's that's a reality that we had to
deal with during the Rack offensive.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
And if you can just explain to people who might
be a little confused, there's a lot of different acronyms
when it comes to Kurdish forces, So you've got uh
if you can in as simple as possible, I know
it can get complicated. But the difference between the p KK,
the White, the PYD, and the most importantly the SDF,

(19:05):
who were the SDF apparently attached to the US military
more directly. But the difference between those four abbreviations, if
you could.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Kareem well, people I don't know if they know, but
the PKK was born during the big crackdown that happened
in the seventies eighties on everything that was democracy and
everything that was socialist in Turkey, there was like a
big gold put by the military and they cracked down

(19:39):
on all these revolutionaries so to speak, and put them
on to jail. Auchlan at that time was smart enough
to be outside of Turkey and he founded the Pikk
Party in He was in Lebanon where a lot of
Kurdish refugees were living. And thanks to the big help

(20:01):
that he received from the Palatine Resistance, he was able
to bring in militants from from Turkey, Kurds from Turkey
and all over Kurdistan, which is divided in four parts
area Turkey, Iran and Iraq, and it would bring bring
them on and train them with the help of these

(20:22):
Palestinian Liberation Front and at the beginning it was just
one party, and then there were so many Kurds that
they filled up all training camps from all factions, even
Iranian factions, like every faction at that time of from
the Palastiner Resistant that had a training camp had pickakeakers
training there and that's that's where they learned gerrilla tactics,

(20:45):
where that's where they learned everything they know today and
that actually allowed them to put their leg up in
terms of because there were many different revolutionary groups in Turkey,
like Marxist Leninist. They were Marxist Leninists two by the way,
but that gave him a leg up and from there

(21:06):
a lot of things happened. It was captured in the
nineties and they changed completely from Marxist Leninists to autonomists,
taking from Uri Bukchain becoming less more ecological. They took
a completely different route. Now they're not Marxist Leninists at all.

(21:26):
They have some they still feel their socialists, so they
feel that they're idology socialists. They're anti state though at
the beginning when they were Marxist Leninists, they were fighting
for communist state, a Kurdish communist state, and then they
abandoned nationalism altogether, and that's actually what made them split

(21:50):
up from even the Kurdish faction that liked them a
little bit because they were nationalists. Now they see those
Kurdish factions the nationalists one. They see them as much
as an enemy as Erdogan or other nationalist groups. So
they're completely against nationalism in that sense. They built during

(22:11):
that time. They kind of take taking the playbook of
Maoists and Maoist they have this ideology, which is this
not theetriology, this strategy of splinting up not only having
an armed resistant group, but having a political party and
having because they call it popular revolution fundamentally and and

(22:34):
that's what the PIKK has done. They have split up.
They have created a umbrella group that is above the
pik AK, which is called the KJK, and the KJK
unites under it ideologically all all kinds of groups, So
the YPG, the p k K, the HDP in Turkey, but.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
It's not a.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Structural organization that gives orders. It's just just an ideological
one that allows us synthesis of all this group and
try to to give an ideological background. Because then the
HDP in Turkey for example, is a legitimate political party
with a lot which has won a lot of seats

(23:22):
in mayorships and they have seats in the parliament in
the Turkish parliament. The p I D had and still has,
i think seats in the in the Syrian parliament like
the PID, like you have Salam Muslim Sarah Muslim has
founded another party too, but the Sarah Muslim has always
had a seat in the Assad parliament, even during the

(23:44):
Sitian Civil War. So they branch up ideological, cultural, political,
and they don't confine they don't confine themselves in the
in the field of armed struggle. And that's it. Like
Hamas or other groups they saw, the ideological framework doesn't
come from the YPG. You will never see the YPG

(24:07):
coming out of that communicate or a or an analysis.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Per se.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
They would never not do They would never do that.
You would never read I'm aslam ap the interview in
which he gives a breakdown an analysis of of what's
happening in Syria, for example, from an idological or bigger
frame point of view. The KGK does that all the time.
And the KJK, finally enough, has always been consistent in

(24:35):
being anti Dyonist and criticizing very heavily the war in
gods are, which they call genocideal which they define a
war that targets excessively, not excessively for the main part,
women and children. So it's funny because you hear a

(24:55):
lot of chatter the WYPG might even seem sometimes to
be a tool of gemony that Israel tried to use
and in all the United States try to use. But
then you see the KJAK leaders who are very critical
of the United States, of the United States imperialism, and
that's why the three main leaders have bounties on their head.

(25:17):
The three main leaders of the Kijak have higher bounties
on their head than Jolani had on his own.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
So that's you know, you're talking about the Kurdish organizations
in Turkey and northeastern Syria, but in Iraqi Kurdistan is
slightly different. It's radically different actually, and in Israel is
very much aligned and active in Iraqi Kurdistan on intelligence

(25:45):
and a military level. So it just explain that different.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, because in Iraqi you have it's the only state
where they don't have the Keijiki doesn't have an extension
because they have it in Iran, which is the page Jack,
they have it in Syria, which is the YPG, they
have it in Turkey which is the PKK, but they
don't have it in Iraq. Why because one of the

(26:11):
conditions the American have placed for the creation of the
KRG was the expulsion of the PKK from Iraq. They
didn't want any meddling from the PKK. So in Iraq
you have two families, two clans basically, or agglomerates of clans,
Kurdish clans, which are dividing themselves the influence. They're pretty

(26:35):
much split fifty percent. And they went to work with
each other back in the time, and I think fifteen
thousand casualties, like they really went at it when they
fought each other. And one is Talabani and one is Bartzani,
the two main families, and they really act like mafia like.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
The way they.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Controlled the land, the way they exploit the people, the
way they they give contracts, the way they sell the oil,
everything about their policy. It's mafia like. It's a mob family.
And they've been dumb as hell ultra Zionists and they
didn't get anything for it. Honestly, when they tried to

(27:19):
call for the referendum of independence, that was Bartzani. The
Pikk condemned it before that happened. He said, don't do it.
We're against it anyway, but don't do it. Talabani was
against it too. Erdogan told them, you know, go ahead, buddy,
I'll back you up. Israel said the same. And when

(27:42):
he called for the independence referendum, I know because I
was there stuck. I was trying to leave Iraq at
that time, and I was stuck because Iraq seized all
the airports, grounded all the airplanes, and sent their Shia
militia to take over Kirkook's oil fields, which would were
supposed to be part of these independence, independent Kurdish state

(28:06):
that Barzani was trying to achieve. Israel didn't do nothing
like when when that happened, Israel told them, well, you know,
we support you, we we supported the state. They didn't
even recognize it, mind you. They just supported it in
a rhetoric, and Shia came there and they just like
stomped over the pesh Americas and they just like in

(28:29):
three days they took over everything. And Erdogan actually went
against them. He condemned the thing even though before he
approved it, and you can find it in newspapers like
it's public, so very dumb. He lost the oil field
which he controlled until until then, and those are the

(28:49):
oil field that have supplied Israel with oil from the
from the Kurdish regions. But since that referendum failed, that
oil is completely under the control of the Iraq authority
and no, not one drop of oil head has reached
Israel since twenty seventeen because the entire overwatch and oversight

(29:11):
over it is in the hands of the Iraqi authorities.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Interesting, Iran didn't recognize them as a state, Turkey didn't
recognize them, Syria didn't recognize them, and a Baghdad of
course didn't recognize them. So in international law that is
like zero for five, there's no state.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Basically good luck.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
And they lost the fight in three days, like can
you hold them more than three days at least to
get some international condemnation, Like you lose in three days
all your oil fields. And here's the funny part. They
were overpaying foreign mercenaries like American American mercenaries.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
And I met them in the.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Airport in Baghdad because we had to go to Baghdad
to board the plane. The planes were all grounded, you know,
in Suleimania and Airville, which the two apples in the
KRG region, And there were these Gi Joe's like like
like rambos, like completely balked up, and it looked like

(30:12):
they've been doing weight the whole time they were there.
And they were paid a crazy amount of money to
defend those oil fields. As soon as they saw the
Shia militia and they knew there were no air cover
because of course the Americans didn't help me either because
they were against it. They just like cut tail and
ran and then and there you have it, like all

(30:34):
these mercenaries, ex special forces and stuff like that. They
just for months years took money from these Kurds who
looked at the White savior as someone who can actually
protect them. And mind you, one of them was paid
the same as fifty Pesh Americas. So one of those
mercenaries walked up, who has done steroids and lift weight

(30:57):
all the time he was there. One of them counted
for fifty America's paycheck and they just ran away. It's
funny because I met them at the Baghdada airport and
they were talking about is all this Shia man, But
we knew we didn't have air Cova. We're not going
to try to engage with them, you know, without that,
without that component, So they just like ran as fast

(31:19):
as they could.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, about fifteen hundred dollars a day in some cases.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeahs Americans were getting paid like at that time, you
would not believe it. They were getting paid eighty dollars
a month.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
A month, yeah, yeah, higher than Assyrian milit We were about
the same as a Syrian air barmy soldier as well. Yeah,
the economics are just so distorted when you bring in
the big American mercenary firms paid by extracted oil money,
no doubt. So that that's good that you kind of

(31:56):
delineated some of the differences there, Koreem. And also you
know the SDF. Were you attached or around the SDF,
or did the US consider you SDF your groups or
was that a completely separate group of Kurdish fighters in
northeastern Syria.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah, the SDF is the same. The YPG officially dissolved
into SDF and officially they remained as a core unit
in two two thousand and seventeen or eighteen. Yeah, yeah,
around that time. The YPG, which is the female unit,
never dissolved officially because they didn't care about that that bullshit.

(32:38):
Because the Americans came out with that name. They were like, oh,
you know, you know what you can call yourself to
appease the American public. You can go with certain democratic
forces and there is the Moocher's Unit. And the Kurds
were like, yeah, well whatever makes you happy, man, And
they were like and the American thought he was a genius,
and the thought he was dumb as hell. But you know,
they didn't want to just tell that, but American general

(33:01):
that it was a moron and they changed name, which
is moronic in my opinion, because it didn't take them
off one bit from the Turkish service list. And the
only thing that happened is that they lost prestige because
people remember the YPG liberating Kobani and that heroic resistance
and then you get this SDF, which is a name
that looks very corporate, very retarded in my opinion, And yeah,

(33:25):
they went with it, and they're still going with it.
But it allowed them, on the other hand, to bring
in the Arabs because a big like now I think
sixty percent of the SVF are Arabs, are not Kurds,
and Day, which is the literal translation of the acronym

(33:46):
incurred in Arabic, it goes very well with the Arabs.
It gives them an identification that they can understand. If
YPG stands for Parstena Gel, which is a Kurdish name
People's Protection unit, and it would not have resonated with
the Arab population as much, not even not even a

(34:06):
little bit. So at the end of the day, it
wasn't bad. But when the Americans came up with it,
they didn't think about that. They just thought democracy would
be in it and that it would sound nice to
the American audience, news outlets and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
So they needed the you know, the Americans needed to
have a local partner, otherwise they wouldn't be able to
have a military presence in the resort and to occupy
the oil fields and to have different military establishments and
operate in there. They needed to have a local partner.
So the SDF was created to kind of legitimize the

(34:44):
American military presence in there from twenty seventeen onwards.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Is that a fair assessment, Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
And to answer your precive question about the way Americans
treated me, they hated my guts, like they couldn't understand
how foreign national would be sitting in the Council of Generals.
And when I was I had a waiver that allowed
me to go through any checkpoints unchecked. I was the

(35:16):
only one with that waiver. So I had three toyotas
full of soldiers and I would go through American checkpoints
and show them the waiver, and they didn't like it
because my guys all carried phones. They were filming, taking pictures,
and they just didn't want to be it's not even

(35:38):
a security thing. They just didn't want someone who could
challenge their narrative about their role there. And because they
were literally taking credit where there was no reason for
them to take credit, like they were saying, we've done that,
and actually the kids lost like one hundred people to
do it, and Americans would just come over and say,

(35:59):
you know, we did ourselves. And plus they always had
these back mind thing that this thing in the back
of their mind strategically in which they saw the Curse
only as a strategic tactical partner. They never ever acknowledged
the political project, which by the way, since its implementation

(36:21):
to now has never there has never been a bloodshed
in terms of sectarian wars or our community being displaced
that has never happened. What happened in the Ceran coastline
for years has never happened in the northeastern area. One
time they tried to call for elections and the Americans

(36:43):
stopped them. They allowed them to call elections because that
would have somehow needed, somehow they would have needed to
comment on it. And at the same time, while they
were using the SDF as a tactical partner to defeat
ISIS because the US, the partnership with NATO ally Turkey

(37:03):
has always had the presidents and Turkey sees the Kurds,
they're the SDF as a existential threat to their you know,
sovereignty whatever. At the same time, they they kept providing
support and help to the to the jihadest rebels in
Idab and on those all other areas like Jolani for example.

(37:26):
They never stopped providing help to those, to those jihadists,
and they were providing help to them before they started
helping the Kurds, and when they started helping the Curds,
they continued. The only reason why they started helping the
Curds is because the other jihadists were completely ineffective against ISIS.
They would not just they would not fight them other

(37:47):
than small skirmishes. So they needed to rain in ISIS
in Syria because they upseted a lot of the Americans
ambitions in Iraq, they took over. Mostly they didn't expect
that the mess with the Sinjar, the general side of
the adds the attacks all over Europe. The United State

(38:08):
didn't expect a group to come up that strong and
upset their regional ambitions. So that's the only reason why
they supported the YPG, which you can see it today
as what's what's been happening.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Well, there's there's there's also the conversations a lot more complicated.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
We probably know time to delve into it.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
But the foundations of ISIS, including Joe Lannie's involvement in
ISIS as well, and also US golf backed intelligence and money,
there is a major overlap. They're kind of very complicated.
Suffice to say, there is a kind of I think

(38:52):
invisible hand steering events in the.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Not not complicated. Really they created them, armed them, financed them.
There would not be with all American intervention.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
They were launched, effectively given birth in much the same
way as the Operation Cyclone in Afghanistan with the mujah Hadeen,
very similar blueprint, but more direct support, as you said,
with Al Nusur Front h which became HTS and all
these other jayas Islam and Arah al Sham, and it's

(39:22):
just bevy of different uh you know, Al Qaeda kind
of in Syria factions.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
They were competing with Chada though, yeah, more direct support.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Where's the ISIS It was I think more opaque, and
ISIS had a level of autonomy and activity that I
think an organization. So I mean that's a it's a
separate study really looking at that. But back to Siria,

(39:54):
so this is a good As you mentioned, Al Jilani
is now the so called self appointed president of Syria
as of December. In the late December twenty twenty four,
they march in to Damascus and the sum of all
fears is realized.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
At this point.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
And so we'll bring you and bring everyone to this
point in history now. And just a few weeks ago, Kareem,
when I saw this scene, I'm sure that you and
many others were. I knew it was possible that this
could happen, but I just in the back of my mind, Kareem,
I thought that maybe somebody would brief the president that's

(40:37):
probably not a good idea to have this photo op
with the founder of al Qaeda and Syria. The former
deputy of al Baghdaddy. His name is Mohammad Abdullah al Jalani.
Abu Mohammed al Jalani, now Ahmed al Sharar supposedly is
his latest name. Saudi born claims to be Syrian. He's

(41:01):
there basically being legitimized by the President of the United States,
who had a lot of good things to say about him.
I mean, he was asked more than once and he
doubled down on his comments. Here's we'll bring Donald Trump here.
Listen to this when asked about what he thought about
this new Syrian leader.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Here he is chance.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
I met the leader. I met the new leader and
handsome guy by the way, young handsome, and I said,
you know, you have quite a pass, got a tough pass.
But when you think about it, are you going to
put a a choir boy in that position? I don't
think so. You know, it's going to be a little
bit tough. It's a tough part. You're willing to give

(41:42):
him a show, you know the way they said, it's
a nasty neighborhood. It's a rough neighborhood. And I thought
he was really yeah, I thought he was terrific. He
was so thankful about the sanctions because he knew he's
not going to be able to bust bust through.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Maybe it'll be a turn there.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
I think he is a real chance. He's on that.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
I mean, I'll hand it over to U Kareem.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
I personally I really speechless, is really where I'm at.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
But go ahead, Well, the writing was on the wall
at any rate, Bonds pers It's not the first time
he backstopped the kids in the back. He has already
done it in twenty nineteen when he pulled all the
troops that the German internationalist from my battalion, dear friend
of mine, I talked to you about. He was killed
because of that Trump withdrawal. And then he stopped it

(42:35):
in twenty nineteen. The Congress revolted against him, the generals
revolted against him. He had to backtrack on it. And
now he's basically doing the same thing. He's choosing Gutar,
he's choosing Turkey, he's choosing Jolani. And it's interesting that
he would say he's not a choir boy. That's very

(42:57):
telling in my opinion, because his hands you may not
see it in the pictures, but are dripping with the
blood of thousands of Alawhite which he has just called
for the massacres a few months back in March, and
that was the bloodiest massacre since the start of the
student Civil War and has happened under his watch, carried

(43:21):
by his men in the Syrian coastline, and you had
one of the most black mirror thing episode things that
have as I have ever seen.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
You had.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
The U Counsul main Twitter account supporting the massacres his
genocide as was characterized by the Surian Observatory for Human Rights.
And in forty eight hours, they have killed one five
hundred people in Now if you look at the the area,
it's a very small area. They burned villagers to the ground,

(43:58):
shot children and women, men in the face in their
living room, kicking doors in and the U Counsuls which
account said, oh you know, they're we support the Syrian government,
which means Jolani against the provocation of the Assad remnants
like and the social media was getting flooded with videos

(44:23):
and images recorded by the perpetrators of these massacres themselves,
which were self documenting their war crimes. And it was
approachious to me because I was I was speaking with
friends who are Alla whites from the area were desperate, scared, terrorized.
Many ran inside the mim air base that was still

(44:45):
in that area, the Russian air base. They went ran
there and they're still there. There is a refugi camp
in that base because Ala white don't feel safe going
back home. And you had the entire global Note, the
entire U console ICC, all these holier than thou institutions

(45:06):
who were endorsing the massacre. Are you as it was happening.
Trump going there and shaking his hand and making the
comment about the choir boy sends a very strong message. Yeah,
that's one of the most atrocious videos I've seen. Like,
that's a mother and those dead on the floor, those
are her children, and she's tending up to the Jihadis

(45:27):
who just killed her children, and they were telling her
you're not allowed to bury him, bury them. They have
to stay under the sun. And I don't know if
you know this, it's very creepy, but if the body
stays under the sun, it becomes black it immediately. It's
not like movies. It becomes rotten, zombie like. And to

(45:49):
say that to a mother which has all her children
dead in front of her, and they were unarmed. As
you can see they don't have a shirt because they
had them take off the shirt to see if they
had weapons, haidden, they have them obviously, and they shut
them point blank and kill them. And that has happened
at a rate which is thousands in forty eight hours.

(46:10):
So Trump sends a message to the rest of Syria
and to the world, along with the U Council, along
with the ICIC AMR Khan, and what they're saying is
caribe Coan.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
Sorry.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
What they're saying is we know that these guys are hardists,
because I had your council members talk to me and
tell me in private. We know these guys are going
to do massacres, but we expect it. It's inevitable in
their minds inevitable. But they are trying to let foreign
investments and they are privatizing, and they're letting us basically

(46:49):
rob Syria blind, extract Syria serious resources and as long
as the capital market is allowed to do whatever it
wants in and buy it for cheap. Because now there
is a big auction happening on Syria. You know, it's
on its knees. The economy is ruined, the country is destroyed,
and all these vultures are circling and trying to break

(47:11):
deals and strong arm Jolan. He was happy to, you know,
sell pieces off of Syria as long as they allow
him to do whatever he wants. And unfortunately, this is
just a prelude of what's going to happen in the future,
because I believe we are a long time from from
seeing the last bullet shot and the massacre take place.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah, and listen, you know, it's so funny that for
twelve or fifteen seven, fourteen years, fifteen years, the western
chorus of the media was aside the butcher, aside must go,
we must bring down the government here and the rebels
need to liberate the country. And so this is the

(47:56):
liberation which is a sectarian blood bat And it's not
as if we didn't see it coming, Kareem. Many of
us were warning about this from twenty eleven. We knew,
we heard the chance, you know, Christians to Beirut, Allohites
to the grave. We heard those chants in Banyas and
other places as early as twenty eleven. So it already

(48:20):
was taking on that sort of a shape, and that
was being encouraged by the Americans, encouraged by the British,
and encouraged by the Turks. So the same and of
course the Israelis quietly have been supporting this destabilization of Syria.
But it's so funny that they put when they put
sanctions on Syria, which are crippling sanctions designed to strangle

(48:43):
the country. They said it's because of the Assad regime.
It needs to be on because of the government. And
now they're saying the same people who were imposing those
sanctions for all those years, they're saying, well, they need
to be lifted because it's hurting the people. Suddenly it's
not about the leadership, it's about the people. So the hypocrisy,

(49:05):
especially from the West, shouldn't shock anybody. But nonetheless, Kareem,
you being from you from a European country, the EU
has played a direct role in the strangulation of Syria.
Together with the US. They did a double vice grip,
if you will, unprecedented, unprecedented uh strangulation intended to punish

(49:30):
the country, the people. It's it's incredible. So it's time
has shown what hypocrisy this is. But now what is
the state of Syria, Kareem, what is the current state?
The current situation in the country. How bad is it?

Speaker 3 (49:51):
It's very bad and it's got one worse since Johanny Tookova.
From even an economic standpoint, imagine that had for his faults,
had bakeries which were all over the place, even in
Raka where Isis was, or in the northeastern Syria, he

(50:13):
had bakeries and he would and he kept subsidizing those
bakeries with state funds so nobody would call hungry. And
that happened even before the Syrian Civil War. But he
kept doing it. He kept paying for paychecks of essential
workers like in dams or electric factories and all those

(50:38):
essential infrastructures that like communication antennas. That's a funny thing.
People don't know that Isis had antennas from Turkish from
Syrian telecom and workers that were getting their paychecks from
the Assad regime, like the guy with the paycheck would

(50:58):
reach them inside Ice territory in the core of Isis
territory to pay those workers, and Isis would not blink
because they knew they needed the antennas to work for
themselves too, other than for the people. So that those
are aspects of the Baptist socialist state that Asad had
kept going on with all its faults. The day after

(51:22):
Jolanni took over, that was over over with. And it's
interesting before because for me the turning point when and
the two ocates over, but the Kurds is over for
everyone they're going to give it to him. Was when
Tony Blair invited he's appointed Foreign Minister, which is also
a long standing member of al Qaeda. There are pictures

(51:45):
of him in fatigue and kalashnikov in hand when he
invited him to Davos and gave him that interview, which
looked even more embarrassing than Trump calling handsome jihadi Jolani,
because because they laughed, the humor was very light, and
he gave them soft ball after softball question and they

(52:08):
were like two friends who finally met each other after
ten years. And and in that interview, Shibani Asad not
as Sad Asad, which he has a name that's very similar,
said we're gonna privatize and we're gonna open our markets

(52:30):
for foreign investments because that's that's that's something we need
to take Syria back. And that was the key question
because when he said that, you could see Tony Blair
smile from ear to ear, and that was the magic
word privatization. And you transform your he looks Honda with

(52:51):
with a torch come out to them back into a
private jet. You transform your military fatigue into a nice
tailored suit of five of twenty thousand dollars like Rolex
watched or Philip Patek whatever, and you know, you get
to join the dream of the neoliberal world. And that

(53:15):
when everything changed. The day after Jolyne took over, the
prices of bread in Syria doubled and the size of
bread diminished half its size. I'm not even joking. Like
the day after he took all the subsidies out, sent
them god knows where, because those subsidies were there. He

(53:39):
had the money for the subsidies, because a sub had them.
He took over the bank, all the subsidies were gone.
The press of the bride doubled. In a country where
eighty five percent of the people are living under poverty line,
where people can't afford bread, even people who work, even
people who were in the in the in the military,

(54:02):
couldn't afford bread for themselves and their families. Where I
dps uh are still by the hundreds of thousands living
in camps, where you have cholera, all kinds of diseases,
child mortality, to the roof, no job whatsoever, Infrastructure is
completely destroyed, and a homongous death that the country incurred

(54:29):
to thanks to also thanks to all the sanctions and
the cutoff from the foreign market. So he's taken over
a country and now he's privatizing and the people already
don't have bread, and the level of misery is you know,
going up on a level of magnitude.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, yeah, And so the currency, of course still in
free fall.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
That's by design.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Economy was attacked very early on in twenty ten and
twenty eleven, and the attack kept going. And this is
a formula. It's been deployed against Venezuela, many other countries.
It's very well known economic warfare, not even counting sanctions,
just attacking the currency and the balance of payments, gold reserves,

(55:20):
emptying all that out. And you know, so Turkey's even
actually been hit with a little taster of that as
well from the West. But so that's the situation. I
think you've identified it pretty well. This regime is how
he calls himself a president. This guy is unbelievable because

(55:44):
he has no parliament and there's been no plebiscite. There's
been no even demand to have elections, which is normally
standard whenever there's a coup, and the US and Britain
would go in. When is the schedule for the elections September,
you know, and they helped to prepare them. They bring
in their sort of oecd CE and all these organizations

(56:04):
to come and help organize elections.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
None of that.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Uh, Jolani just said, oh maybe in four or five years,
We're not really bothered about this democracy thing.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
But I'm the president, so it's just that they start.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
But they started saying, first one month and then we're
gonna bring everyone together and write a constitution. And then
then they said three months, we just need you know,
to check the files, and and then they said five years.
And I guess when it's the five year mask gets
close out, they're going to say something else.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
I have feeling that was the that was one of
the basis for selling the sanctions package against the stad governments.
He's not he's not rewriting the constitution, he's not doing
the reforms that we demand. And then this guy comes
in and basically even takes it to a whole other
level of tyranny and they're lifting sanctions. So it's like

(57:00):
there's no consistency at all. But what's more dangerous, I
think is this legitimization of the West coming in to
shake hands to court an international terrorist, and not just
any international terrorists, one of the top international terrorists, a
real killer. They were doing street executions in Idlib when

(57:22):
they were running their little Islamic state there. And funny enough,
Trump is the one that helped to basically undermine the
counter offensive in Idlib. And Trump even bragged about it
publicly at a rally. He said, I saved EdLib. And
you know, the people in Idlib, they loved me. I say,

(57:44):
he saved thirty five thousand terrorists. So this coup would
not have happened, or the fall of Damascus would not
have happened if not for Trump in twenty eighteen and
Erdowan as well. So that brings us to another question here,
And firstly, what is the kareem? What is the potential

(58:05):
right now for a civil war? We saw Marco Rubio
telegraphing this idea. He's obviously let some cat out of
the bag. He said, Syria could descend into civil, bloody,
civil war in a matter of weeks, he said a
few weeks ago. So obviously he's been fed something by
US intelligence there. I personally think that's on the cards

(58:26):
and the US wants to stay there. That's number one priority.
Israel wants what it wants. But we'll get to what
all these actors want around Syria. But tell tell me
about the potential for sectarian fighting right now and the
possible breakup of Syria a bloody civil war. Is that

(58:48):
is that a major risk right now?

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Yes, it is if you think about the Trump when
they're guns placing. But he didn't consult in kids were
there with him, and since he took over office, he
never mentioned the SDF orther case. It's like they don't exist.
Like if you listen to Trump is Comms or the
people close to him, it's like the SDF or the

(59:14):
northeastern Syria, it's no place whatsoever. It's like it doesn't exist.
You will not find it in any of their transcripts,
not even mentioned. So he went there and he told Jolani,
I believe that the reason why, and I brought it
in a tweet in a thread which was has been
quoted by some relevant newspapers recently, some legacy newspapers. I

(59:39):
noticed that the company that has bought the port of
Latakia for thirty years is actually a Chinese front, like
it's a French company on paper, but actually is a
Chinese front and there is a lot of documentation proving it,
and so China moved. Then while Trump was playing, was

(01:00:03):
trying to strong arm Jolani, and then you know, he
ran for the fences. He couldn't allow. Like his whole
thing is that he wanted to leave the Middle East
to focus on China. And then China gets it, sweeps
in the Middle East and takes over one of the
key nodes of trade in the entire Mediterranean. That's the
most important port. Like the other port Russia is still

(01:00:24):
there by the way, and the other port China takes
it over. Like the port has exclusive rights for China.
The China does whatever it wants with that port. It's
like it's a part of Chinese land. And the agreement
says that they're gonna split their revenue. Sixty goes to Syria,
forty goes to China. But China doesn't really care about

(01:00:45):
the revenue. They they're full of ports around there. They'll
have it in Leven, they have it in Greece, they
have it in Europe, Marcel. What they care about is
having a base there and having controlled surveillance, and it
allows them to project their influence in the entire region,
especially in the Middle East. They didn't have a pot

(01:01:07):
in that, in that in that in that place. So
Trump noticed, probably didn't publicize it because China never brags
about their their victories, and Trump didn't wanna let people
know that he's a moron, so he he ran for
the fences. And that explains all that very boyfriend girlfriend

(01:01:29):
talks that like, it's not normal that you meet jihadist
overlord and and call him a handsome man and use
all those kind of you know, attributes that he has
given him, not a boy scout and all that. But
what he promised him in exchange for here here joining

(01:01:49):
the Abrahama Court and normalizing with Israel was I'm going
to give you the nine thousand Isis prisoners currently held
by the SDA in Hassak, in the Gorwana prison. And
that's a big no no for the SDF. They haven't
lost twelve thousand of the youth, because that's the price

(01:02:10):
for fighting isis twelve thousand of your best young men
that has died, that have died since twenty fourteen in
a ten year span in a very small region like
people think northeastern Syria is. I don't know it's smaller
than New York in terms of population. It's very the

(01:02:30):
populated sliver of land. There are not many people there.
Losing that much of of your youth, mostly Kurdish, it's
a big blow for the Kurds there and for the
people so freeing. Giving nine thousands of hardcore ISIS fighters
back to Jolani, it's a suicide for them, Like we're

(01:02:52):
going to give you these nine thousand hardcore fighters, the
best fighters of ices who survived. Among them, there is
probably the real, the real caliph of ISIS because you
have all these media, probably rent by Langley at this point,
which are portraying messaging from ISIS and there it's like

(01:03:14):
ices still exist. But really, if you look at it
IIS now it's mainly African, Like there is an African
group which is very active in Africa, and they are
the main group, which is they got the main they're
ices main now, let's say, but that doesn't mean that
you don't have a leadership still in place, which which

(01:03:37):
is confined among those nine thousand fighters, which is the
majority of ISIS combatants, the majority of ISIS ideologues, they're
all there. Once Jolani liberates them, these guys will all
swear allegiance to Jolani. Either they swear allegiance to Jrolani
or they get to see all their wives marrying al

(01:03:58):
Qaeda people under Lani command. Because their wives are held
in a separate camp, which is a concentration camp, I'll
hauld and they're around forty thousand women and children there.
It's a tragedy what has happened with that camp. I
fought with so many people, argued so many people that
we should not have any part in it because that's

(01:04:23):
the new camp of Buka. That's where they're trying to
grow the new generation of Jihades extremists, and those children
growing there will be one hundred percent ice is extremists.
And you give them no other choice, like you literally
made them. And if they come and they shoot me up,
I'll say I deserve it. I put you in there

(01:04:43):
like that bullet. It's a revenge that I deserve because
you didn't deserve that. No child does. And giving back
those two al Jolanni would mean that al Jolanni will
have an unstoppable army, will have ices under his umbrella.
And even like now, we are in a situation where

(01:05:04):
the kids. The SDF can put up a fight if
the Turks don't intervene, and they might very well not
intervene because they are like peacetocks going on with pick
a k which has dissolved and all that. Without Turkish intervention,
they have a chance. If they free those nine thousand
hard core fighters, they have no chance because those like

(01:05:26):
the nine thousand, they might be a bit you know,
rusty since they've been sitting in jail for like almost
ten years, but they can assure you they could they
could be very well better than the entire army Jolani
has right now. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
And also, you know, the magical reappearance of ISIS in
Syria will guarantee US stays and box up their presence,
expands their presence, not just in Syria, in Iraq. And
isn't that what Washington has been looking for, is some
kind of a card to re established their footing or

(01:06:07):
legitimacy of their footing there because the Iraqis didn't want them.
The Iraqi, the new Iraqi parliaments twice three times publicly
kicked them out. The US said we're not leaving. I
don't personally think anybody in Syria other than Jolani, who's
friendly with America at the moment, wants them there. But
that's that's that's what the US wants, because that's what

(01:06:30):
Israel wants. Israel needs the US there for other reasons,
broader strategic reasons to do probably with an attack on
Iran among other things. But and that brings us to
the to the next point, Kareem, what is the agenda?
And we'll go down one by one. Let's start with Israel.

(01:06:53):
Let's start with America, and let's look at Turkey in
the Gulf, Qatar, Saudi maybe as clearly interested now as
they've always have been. But starting with Israel, and then
we'll move to the Americans, then to the Turks. What
what is the agenda for Syria as you see it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Well, Israel has been for a long time trying to
use the Kurds in Syria as a card, but they
always all there. If you remember a few months ago,
there was a lot of comms coming from for the
Foreign Ministry of Israel, Nathaniahu himself trying to, uh, you know,

(01:07:35):
tend a hand to to the Kurds and you will,
and you never seen anything coming back. The only thing
you could have seen is that Muslambili an interview saying,
you know, we accept help from everyone, but he didn't
want to even say Israel because it's so people don't
understand it. It's so deep, the relationship they have with

(01:07:56):
the with the Palestinian resistance, the HDP in Turkey, which
is the political party part of the KJK that has
seats in the parliament. In twenty nineteen, if I'm not mistaken,
Leila Khalid from PLFP, the PFB leader, went there and
she spoke from the podium of the HDP to hundreds

(01:08:20):
of Kurds who were there. She showed solidarity, and that's
not an easy thing to do for a Palestinian because
they count on the Turkish support, and for the PLFP
to go there to the main spokesman spokeswoman, this case
of the PfP to go there and take a stand
in that moment during the election, by the way, with
the Kurds was like a big, big political move that

(01:08:45):
had some very deep repercussion that we're not going to
go over. But it was not a good thing for
the PLFP. They had a lot of criticism from us
because of that, and you have also pictures of the
previous leader of Hamas, which has been assassinated with the
leader with the Salahatin, the Mertage, which is the leader

(01:09:07):
of the HDP now jailed by Erdogan, and you have
letters that Satin the Mertash wrote like there are a
lot of communications out there, like the relationship is strong,
is an old relationship, has deep roots. On the other hand,
Israel has tried to play them anyway as a card

(01:09:28):
because of their reliance on American support, and the Americans
are there. They didn't retreat in twenty nineteen because the
Congress revolted against Trump when he tried to pull out
all the troops as soon as he took office after
a phone call with Erdogan. Nobody knew that he had
that in his mind, not even his general, so he
just told them point blank, let's go. The reason is stopped.

(01:09:54):
It isn't because the kids have a lobby, And it
isn't because the Congress found a conscience. The American Congress
has no conscious. They're all bought and paid for by IPAK.
The reason is because the Kurdish lobby stopped American retreat
in twenty nineteen, the Turkey, the Israeli lobby, the Chinese
lobby stopped American retreat and the Kurds are aware of that.

(01:10:19):
So they tried until the last moment to take the
Kurds and try to reassure them that we're going to
give you the guarantees that you need to go against Turkey,
to go against Jolani. But Ochlan's letter came out, the
one that brought the dissolution of the PKK, and in

(01:10:41):
that letter it said very clearly that they had the
Curds had to find a settlement within the nation where
they were hosted. So in Turkey they had to find
it with the Turkish government and say they had to
find it with the Syrian government, even though the Syrian
government is led by by ahmedal shark Jolani. The Kurds decided,

(01:11:05):
and it's a very I'm against it. I don't support
that decision. I don't think they should have went. Maso
May should have went and shook hands with the ahmedal
shark Jolani on the eve of while the Coastline massacre
was taking place of the Alla White. Actually he rescued
him somehow because when he went there to shake his hands,

(01:11:29):
he saved the what the U conference that took place
ten days after that, where the EU unlocked those five
billion package for Syria and took off some of the
fact that the sanctions. Jolani was supposed to go there
himself and he couldn't go after that massacre. He had
to send his foreign minister.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
But if.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Uh and and here's the thing, those official officials, you officials,
water Lane, her right hand women and all that they
spoke about their optimism thanks to that deal that Muslim
Aptid has done with Jolani. So that allowed them the
political excuse to have Hyata Scham militants coming to Europe

(01:12:19):
and getting five billion Europe because they're saying, look, there
is a historical They called it a historical deal between
the Syrian interim government which they call right now and
the Syrian Democratic Forces. You see, they call them Syrian
Democratic Force. They didn't call it the Democratic Autonomous Administration,
not Issyria. They don't even you don't recognize the political

(01:12:43):
project for them. They're just like a mercenary army with
rifles fighting isis That's all they are. They don't recognize
the fact that this is a woman led revolution. They
don't recognize the autonomy project, the democratic project, the grassroot democracy.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
Nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
It's only a militia that fights against Isis and that's
where we want them to be. So Israel wants to
see is Real weakened. But Israel needs, in my opinion,
to have all its neighbor weakened. They have to have dictators,
which are dictators that are US puppets. They need everyone

(01:13:24):
around them to be weak, because if the people everywhere,
if the people can be them Jordanian, Egyptian, Syrian or whatever,
if the people can have a say, it's war with Israel,
it's nothing short of that. It has never happened in
the history of mankind that you have a minority being buchered,

(01:13:47):
or even a minority, but a group of people being butchered,
like the Palestinians in Gods Are we were seeing a
genocide happening. And all around them you have people of
the same ethnic group that speak the same length, which
of the same culture, of the same religion, doing nothing, nothing,
and that is unprecedented. Like you have to have every

(01:14:10):
country week, every country dependent on foreign aid, every country
scared of Israel and scared of the United States, with
dictators in place that don't do the will of the
people and then you can have a chance of surviving.
That's the only way the state of Israel can survive.
And that's basically their policy all over the place. Going
back to Turkey, Turkey has another ambition, which is the klepto.

(01:14:34):
I call them the Ottoman Klepto Sultanate because it's a
klepto sultanate. It's not even a democracy anymore. They arrested
the main chemalist secular opposition, which has nothing to do
with the Kurds, actually hates the curd historically, and they
arrested basically, the Erdogan arrested the opponent who was projected

(01:14:56):
to beat him in the elections. He arrested them, and
he arrested all kinds of closed, all kinds of newspapers.
Turkeys are dictatorship in all but name, and their ambitions
in Turkeys to basically go over their boarders. Their their
ideas like to project their influence all over the Ottoman

(01:15:16):
and clubs and even go further. So that's their idea.
They want to externalize war. But make no mistake, the
Turkish economy is on its knees like the If you
look at the Turkish lealised terrible. So it's somehow the
Turkish elite needs these expansions in war and victories military
victories to deflect from their internal problems because they have.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
Many, and go back to Turkey in a moment, Koreem.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
But let's just look at this map here of the
Golden Heights, and so Israel move very quickly to the
collapse of the Syrian Arab army. The sad government of
Damascus took the Golden Heights, took Mount Herman. These are
strategically invaluable. It's very unlikely in my estimation and others,

(01:16:12):
that they'll ever give these back. You might eventually become
an expansion of Israeli territory. Gives them firing range over Damascus,
artillery range southern Lebanon as well, huge, huge strategic advantage.
So that was done without you know, firing a shot. Really,
I mean, they then took out the whole of the

(01:16:34):
Syrian air defenses, the whole of the Syrian military, so
Syria basically has no real defense. They've like a Matador,
just wave the rag and allowed the bull to come
right in. But that's not the end of it. But
I mean, just this just what we're looking at here.

(01:16:55):
I mean, this was not possible before December because Syria
would have put up a fight to defend It was
a stalemate effectively up to that point. These two countries
have been at war or Syria in Israel for many
decades and this has all changed. And so now the

(01:17:18):
Israeli momentum is are They're going to They're not They're
going to stop here because I would think that I
wouldn't stop if I was Israel, I'd keep going.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
What are your thoughts on this situation?

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
I think honestly, the moment Trump shook hands with Jolani,
israelis behind that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
Also.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
I don't believe Trump could have went against the Danis Lapi.
I just don't believe that for a second. And that's
why there was the abraham acote there, and that's why
now we have talks between Israeli officials and officials that
are men of ahmedal Shah of Jolani, and those talks

(01:18:04):
are ongoing. Jolani offered to join the abraham A Code,
offered normalization, offered to arrest and expel all pro Palestinians
and Palestinian factions that were hosted by ASAD. So we
have a Palestinian groups within we didn't heerreally already been

(01:18:26):
arrested and expelled by the way, so he is giving
Israel all that Israel one plus he's has a very
aggressive posture towards Lebanon, towards Hezbola, and towards Iran. So
I believe that when Trump went there and shook his hands,

(01:18:49):
that was Israel making a play. And I believe that
if Jolani were to sign the abraham A Code and
become basically the country of Ice is to be deployed
against Iran, they may be okay with that. At the
end of the day. Those strategy positions are valuable, but

(01:19:10):
they have no value in terms of economy, like they
withdraw from. They've taken the the basin, the water basin
that confined with Jordan and then they left it. That
would have been important in terms of resource. But those
mountain ranges that they have taken over, they don't have

(01:19:35):
much in terms of value in terms of resources. And
I don't think they want to take the Drews with them.
The Drews for them, they were just a bargainship, something
to use, you know, to give them an excuse to
go in I still believe it was the right thing
that they went in and defended the Drews, because it

(01:19:57):
would look like what happened in the Ensyrim cost could
have happened next to them, and there was nobody to
defend them. Let's remember, even the leader of Allah White
during those days of genocide, of genocidal butchery, he called
into Israel to help them. He called in everyone to help,
anyone who could come there to rescue them. Because when

(01:20:18):
you're seeing children being butchered by the hundreds and women
being shot in the face in their own homes, and
they're international community silence silent. And by the way, no
newspaper was reporting in it either, even though the social
media were being flooded by those images.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
You just saw that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
You've just shown, you know, desperation kicks in and anyone
anyone's game. So the Druth historically they don't like much Israel,
those two in Syria. That is certainly they've been with Asad.
But between that being between being a second class citizens

(01:20:57):
within Israel and being butchered, I think they would choose
the first option. Having said that, if Jolani does everything
that Israel wants him to do, I don't see them
try to take a fight with him at the end.
But in my opinion, Jolani is playing a long game

(01:21:19):
even against Israel, like many people. That's where I disagree
with many people. Many people say, you know, Jolani is
a Zionist prop you know, it's just there to do
Israel's interests, American interest and so on and so forth.
But this guy has risen through the ranks of ISIS,

(01:21:41):
and he wasn't the son of an emir.

Speaker 6 (01:21:43):
He was.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
A young university students who have been arrested in back
Campuka and put there with all the terrorists that allow
them to form ISIS, the modern ISIS which has been
born between in a merger of ex Batist officials, generals
and en jihadists who didn't have the technical capability to

(01:22:05):
build a state that the ex Baptist officials from Asad had.
And he rose through those ranks inside the Iraqi insurgency.
And he didn't do it by making cupcakes. He did
it by extreme like you have to be extremely violent,
extremely ideological for them to allow you to rise through

(01:22:28):
those ranks. It's extremely selective. There are so many that
try to make it and they die along the way
they blow themselves up, they get targeted by a straid
he's been able to raise, or they get assassinated, but
the organizations themselves when they do when they go against
the geological framework or the orders or whatever. He rose

(01:22:51):
through those ranks while having extreme sense of survival like
a corcroach. He survived American bounties, American air strikes. He
cut deal with whomever had to cut deal with in
terms to make it out, and he decided to become
moderate when he saw IIS go up in flame. But

(01:23:12):
until twenty thirteen he was one hundred percent aligned with ISIS,
and after twenty thirteen he was still allied with ISIS ideologically.
He just had a disagreement on who should who should
be the leader with al Baghdadi and al Qaida took
his side and he became the main man of al
Qaeda and Albaghdad.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
He became.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Hueresh, which basically for al Qaeda. Albaghdadi was somehow a
Kufar in some sense outside of the religion, and he
cut ties with al Qaeda again when he understood that
the air was getting a bit dangerous, too much risk
to be targeted by American air strikes, and he started
becoming the men of the United States, and they started

(01:23:54):
helping him take off, take out his competition in Italy,
Al Sham, all these other all these other factions were
still like sympathetic with al Qaeda. He fought in one
by one, elimited one by one, a little bit like
Cheshareborchia in that sense. He called meetings. This was this
famous meeting. He called everyone to make peace. He was

(01:24:15):
fighting all these other factions and he killed everyone in
the room, or arrested everyone, or poisoned this guy or
assassinated this guy as after telling him, you know, we're
cool man, and there was just this guy was found
dead and he was like the leader of this other faction.
So he's extremely intelligent. But I believe that the reason

(01:24:35):
why he became moderate is because it became out in
twenty eighteen. Twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen was the time where
Ices collapsed completely. The last city Raka was completely destroyed,
taken over, and Bogus there was the big surrender of
forty thousand ISIS militia. Like that was the end of ISIS.
And he understood, I cannot do like Isis. I can't

(01:24:58):
build an Islamic state. In my opinion, I cannot build
an Islamic state and go against all these powers. I
have to play the long game. I have to play
the moderate. I have to say the things they want
they want me to say. And he knows what the
West wants. He want wants money, he wants liberal privatizations,
wants a liberal talk. And he has been doing all

(01:25:18):
that and he has been rewarded for it. Now he
has a chance to build an army. And I believe
if he doesn't get corrupted by money and power and
the Naskushi Siito, a first class airplane ticket to Saudi
Arabia and partying with the Prince Salma in Salman, if

(01:25:39):
all those things do corrupt him, he will have to
he will eventually launch the ultimate offensive. His name for
the most of his adult life has been al Jolani,
which means Golan Heights. His name was a note to
liberate the Syrian land occupied by Israel until twenty nineteen.

(01:26:00):
He started playing the moderate his speeches. Every in every
speech he talks about liberating al Akta. So it comes
down to it either he's playing the moderate and Israel.
That's why Israel is a bit reticent still, and he
will find abram acord whatever he needs to do while

(01:26:21):
building his Islamic army, which seems like he's doing honestly,
or he really became moderate, and in that case he
will be assassinated within the year.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Well, it's it's pretty clear that his one of his
main sponsors, the person he could thank the most for
his ascension and his survival, if you will, is someone
we like to call Kareem Abu Donald here on the program.
It's there is no doubt about it. Abu Donald has

(01:26:51):
been his greatest sponsor and an asset. So isn't that
isn't that something that he would take him under his
wing like this for two terms now, the first term
and the second term. So I mean, we laugh about this,
but there's not like a serious thread of truth in
this as well. But before we go, Kaream is we've

(01:27:15):
gone a little bit over time here, but it's such
an important topic and I really appreciate you, you know,
getting into the granular details of this.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
Just got a couple of minutes left and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Tell us because everybody wants to know what the situation
with Turkey is. Does Turkey have territorial ambitions over parts
of Syria. Is that the long game of the AKP
New Turkey project led by or Dowan, But not for long.
He probably is not going to be in politics much longer.
He'll be resigned to the godfather position. But what is

(01:27:52):
Turkey's goal? What is their actual material endgame?

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
What do you think? All right?

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
So these he's actually tied with the Israel. So they
want to pass a pipeline through through Syria, and that
pipeline would go from Syria and have Turkey as the
main sponsor of it and go straight to Europe. That
pipeline would cut off Israel from from being the main

(01:28:21):
being supplier, being a key pot. Like Israel has always
played this role of trying to make itself essential because
essentially they are like a colonialist, a settler colonial outpost
of the West in the Middle East, and they always
try to keep themselves in that position to be useful

(01:28:42):
to you know, tech whatever. If this pipeline passes through
Syria and then goes from Turkey to Europe, it would
cut them completely off and they want to have a
piece of it. So in Syria, Turkey wants to project
like they want to take back in terms of influence Syria.

(01:29:04):
They want Syria to be an extension of Turkish foreign policy,
so all their trade deals all that they want Syria
to be to do what the Turkish governments say. And
that's been the case so far. Like Jolani has tried
to play the independent, but so far he has been

(01:29:26):
directed pretty closely from Hakkan Fidan, which is the current
Foreign Minister of Turkey, has been the leader, the leader
of myth which is the Turkish secret service for the
past ten years. Everything that has happened in Syria since
then had his fingerprints on it, false flags, you name it,
and he knows intimately Jolani. So if they take over

(01:29:50):
the economy of Syria and they can make these pipelines
and have complete access to gas oil, all the resources
within s exploration of water because remember Turkey has that
big problem of the Azyz. Yeah, like with Turk with
the Greek island taking over all the territorial water of

(01:30:11):
Turkey which Turkey contests. Having the possibility to access the
Syrian national waters for gas exploration is a big thing.
So there are a lot of resources and key strategic
interest in terms of having Syria as a conduit for
these pipelines that would be able to reach Europe and

(01:30:33):
cut off somehow the reliance on Russia, and that has
been basically the game so far. But it doesn't stop
to Syria because Turkey wants to take back Iraq too,
and they've been very active there also, so we will
see what happens. But Turkey has always been doing the
interest of Turkey, so even in their Iran stance, they

(01:30:57):
don't really care about the Israeli ambitions on Iran, the
problems with Iran. When Iran was sanctioned, Turkey has played
the role of using their banks to lunder all the
money and allow Iran to bypass all those sanctions. That's
why the Turkish president of bank has been indicted in
the United States and there are all that going on.

(01:31:19):
So they want to to to extend their influence outward,
mainly because the Turkish elite. There is a Turkish elite
that has we sit in Bairaktar. We see in all
this energy company once needs to expand, needs to expand outwards.
That's why they're building all those fleet for for like

(01:31:43):
blue water fleets, and they it's all part of these
new Ottoman Cleptos Sultanate that wants to extend outward and
and make new deals, and yeah, like kudos for them.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
That's a very.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Like the KGK, for example, have a lecture on this
and they look at the previous war, previous Iraqi Iranian war,
and that was in terms of economy output, the golden
age for Turkey because they were able to leverage both
countries Iran and Iraq and do deals with both of

(01:32:19):
them that he couldn't trade among each other. So for
the Turkish economy it was like really booming because everything
had to pass through them and it became the power center.
That's how what actually allowed them to had such a
fast growth during that because it happened during that time.
So that's what they're looking at. They're looking at trying
to leverage countries and become the middleman that makes money

(01:32:43):
from both sides.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Basically makes makes sense as well, and it probably, you know,
truth being known, the Turkish influence in Syria at the
moment is probably one of the only things I think
is keeping Russia somewhat secure in its very tenuous position there.
It's and kudos to Russia for taking in so many

(01:33:06):
alla white refugees and housing you know, thousands of them
their air base when they wouldn't be receiving any protection
outside of those walls, and it's it's it's a very
very difficult and very tenuous and complicated, very explosive situation
in Syria. And you know, we could get into other

(01:33:28):
aspects of this as well, but I think we we
I think it's a good introductory discussion and you know,
perhaps we can reconvene again, Kareem and maybe focus on
more strategic discussions and maybe a little more geopolitics as well.
But we were you know, we really appreciate you coming
on sharing your background and experience, your unique experience with

(01:33:52):
this particular part of the world, with Syria, and of
course you know you've got roots there in different ways,
you know, emotional roots, your own personal history, relationships, friendships
with the community there, with the country, so I know
it's uh, it's in your interest. You want to see
the best possible outcome for the people there, and you're

(01:34:16):
very concerned about the regime that's in power, as many
are in Damascus. So I think a lot of people
can can relate to you, know, your your positions and
your sympathies and your concerns on this. So but Kareem,
let me bring up onto the screen your social media

(01:34:37):
account because it's good sort of portal here. Well, hold on,
we'll bring we bring this up on screen one second.
We'll just bring that down and bring this back up
here onto the screen that is your ex account, Kareem
Francesci and I see your books in Italian, not not

(01:35:00):
yet in English. I don't know if you've translated any
of them yet, but I know they're in Italian.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Yeah, they've been translated in Finnish, Turkish, shadow languages, but
never in English.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Okay, that's something we can hopefully you can work on
in the near future so people can get a little
more in depth, granular look into, you know, things that
you observed and experienced there during that really important time.
So we've got links to your social media in our
show page as well. It'll take people directly there. And

(01:35:35):
if you're in Italy. You've done quite a few interviews
with the Italian media Kareem as well on this topic,
so we want to hopefully be able to hear more
about this from you going forward. But thank you for
joining us on the Sunday Wire this week.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
Thank you Patrick, Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
There he goes Ladies and gentlemen, that is Kareem Franceski.
You can learn more and listen to what he's putting
out from his x feed there and again we'll continue
this conversation going forward on Patrick kenningson, your host. Let's
take a break and we're gonna go and pivot to
overdrive and we've got a couple of our colleagues hopefully

(01:36:16):
waiting in the wings to talk about some other important
stories in the United States. There are quite a few
things to cover as well, so we'll be doing that
and more after the break. Stay with us. This is
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Just bloody rock for God's green nursed them are ranting
a belt I'll take you want to ride, no doubt.
I can't lie about Channa side. That's how humanity's priceless
funds are.

Speaker 12 (01:41:12):
What it's about.

Speaker 1 (01:41:13):
They call it.

Speaker 10 (01:41:13):
Occupational machine of hate, a racist dreams nor of blood
durst the statement causing death grevacated every gate. Get us
stand here and you still wait. And what I'm doing
a stand up in disguise, playing.

Speaker 11 (01:41:26):
The pictum that's my but the burning me.

Speaker 4 (01:41:29):
Aspaty skies, and I want to say thank you America.

Speaker 11 (01:41:33):
I loved you, wed your hamburgers. That's no blood myself
just loved you as campers, just enough. No more Onctoba's.
But we had our stuff and we were the symbol
of heroobics. Race down the part side of racist to
any place. But what belts up mouth coat?

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
Trade from north to.

Speaker 10 (01:41:48):
South or if we embrace face face.

Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
They call Israel. They called Israel the colonialist.

Speaker 10 (01:41:56):
I'm hitting grab the tars, take a breathe. That's the
White House to try to lead. But they need more
training to follow my creed.

Speaker 13 (01:42:04):
W want is funding and promoting anti Israel's protests in America.

Speaker 6 (01:42:08):
They wanted to disrupt America speak.

Speaker 10 (01:42:09):
If I ran, my aunts go weak, My mouth got sour.
It's by the new land of the follow their white.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
Take the res near.

Speaker 11 (01:42:17):
But it's on my side to be in the enemies
where I can find.

Speaker 6 (01:42:21):
But that's not in me, so prayers.

Speaker 10 (01:42:23):
I need the tax dollars so my plans can proceed.
He hain't to make gods on Liverpool a no bill prize.
Then find a new place to colonize. Take the world
back from the Infidel.

Speaker 11 (01:42:33):
God make this reechion of five star Cameradie.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
Thank you.

Speaker 11 (01:42:37):
My lives have reached their demise.

Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
Israel does not seek to resettle gods.

Speaker 11 (01:42:42):
Preach that demise.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
My mind.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Welcome back to the Sunday Wire. I'm Patrick Kenningson, your host.
Thank you for rejoining us. I mean, what an amazing
conversation with Kareem Franceski. I mean, we haven't had, you know,
a discussion like that with that level of granular detail
about Syria, about his experience there, this very unique position

(01:43:23):
that he had a very unique viewpoint. Plus being from
Europe as well and being multi lingual, he is a
great resource and obviously he knows a lot about not
just what's happening there and what is about to happen,
but understanding the mechanics of it with so many different

(01:43:44):
international actors at place. So again, big, big thank you
to Kareem, and we'll try to continue that conversation, have
a follow up interview with him of getting a little
more specific on a couple of key areas strategy, about
what's happening with the US and Israel and an impending
attack on a Iran We didn't get.

Speaker 4 (01:44:06):
There during that discussion, but we will. We will come
back to that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
But seeing that we are in overdrive, I'm going to
welcome one of our teammates up onto the stage right now,
Brian McClain, also known to some as Hesher in a
very strange environment.

Speaker 4 (01:44:26):
Looks like a tunnel, So he's in a blow up
blow hospital.

Speaker 9 (01:44:33):
According to net Yahoo yep, yep, safest in a bunker always.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
Yes, indeed, And I don't know if you caught any
of that discussion. I mean we went a little bit
over we went a lot over time on that, but
you know, I was just really getting really into involved
in what he was talking about, because you know, the
level of insight and detail that Kareem has on this
situation I think is very unique.

Speaker 4 (01:45:00):
So it was a really valuable discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
And I'm sure you could have a really interesting discussion
with him as well, hash Shir, because he was getting
into the uh the logistics of firearms and heavy equipment
and military tactics as well. But I found that to
be one of the better discussions we've had on that
subject in a long time.

Speaker 9 (01:45:22):
Oh yeah, I was admiring the mozen ne gaunte in
the photo there, a good friend of ours. I'm not
going to call him out, but a good friend of
our zone's a mosen ne Gaunt. I've got to shoot
it before it's really fun to shoot. I don't know
if it's necessarily something I would want to take into
modern warfare. So that really says something about the grit

(01:45:45):
there of of Kareem and many other soldiers out there
using you know, dated materials, So that was I had
an interesting time with that. And yeah, I also found
the discussion about Turkey near the end there to be
valuable and interesting because I've been, you know, trying to
understand what's going on there, especially with the jailing of

(01:46:07):
you know, the main opposition, and I've always been interested
in sort of that you know, neo Ottoman empire. What
would that look like, you know, So I feel like
I got a bit more context in my thinking on that.
So it was a really good discussion. Appreciate you guys
for that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
Yeah, and Turkey's becoming incredibly important, a real pivot for
the new Middle East, and of course the situation Ukraine
and with Russia Turkey is very much underpinning a lot
of the geopolitics of that as well, so increasingly important.
And we're you know, we've assembled quite a few people

(01:46:47):
that we think are some of the best on that topic,
which will be bringing on so hopefully we'll have some
good roundtable discussions about that. Obviously, we're praying kesher that
there's not what this isn't going to Korena to World
War three. That's just the subtext of all this, and
just so people are clear, you know, we don't want
to see that happen. Absolutely, we'd like the analysis to

(01:47:09):
be somewhat you know, on the side of all of
that potential talking about how we can put the region
back together and have some peace and stability. But things
are looking very dicey at the moment between Tel Aviv, Tehran,
and Washington right now. I'm not just start off with

(01:47:31):
the US conversation as sure. I'm not terribly optimistic about
what I'm seeing from the Trump administration. I'm not optimistic
about the Palestinian Israeli negotiations. I'm not optimistic about the
Iranian negotiations, nor the Ukraine Russia negotiations. All three seem
to be going south, with mister Whitkoff like the head

(01:47:56):
waiter juggling all these plates, but potentially can all of
you could drop all of them. That's that's the feeling
I get. I don't know what your impression is. Fox
thinks Wickoff is the second coming of you know, he's
he's a foreign policy messiah, that he's this amazing savant.

Speaker 4 (01:48:16):
I don't see it like that. I don't know if
you get your thoughts on this.

Speaker 9 (01:48:20):
Yeah, Fox, they they have gone into that mode that
you've described multiple times on the show that they go
into when they have when we have a Republican president
and they are just softballing everybody and you know, pedestaling everybody.
It's it's just like a you know, it's like a

(01:48:41):
dog and pony show over there. I watched Bongino on there,
and to watch Fox just you know, pump the brakes
at the same you know speed as Bongino and Patel
about Epstein and all this. I mean, it's just like,
I don't know, man, It's it's kind of a sad

(01:49:02):
sight to watch Fox go into low gear. I mean,
they're always you know, not like they're great all the
time anyways, but at least when there's an opposition presidency,
they like you know, they get their jabs in. You
get sort of that like Sky News sort of kitchy,
like I don't know. It's can be mildly entertaining and

(01:49:22):
sometimes informative sometimes here and there, but now it's just
like I can't even hardly tune in. It's just like
all their old buddies too. It's like they're bringing in
all these people from the Trump administration to talk and
they're all their old colleagues. It's like, it's just doesn't
feel like you know, reporting journalism or news at all.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
It's it's the it's the nightmare of nightmares. I mean, Tammy, Bruce, Pete,
hag Seth is about half a dozen others, Like that's
the new Trump to get his cabinet rated, the Fox
canteen cabinet basically to stay. It's embarrassing, actually, and you're right,

(01:50:03):
the worst part about that hasher is that, oh, our
former colleague peak he used to be on Fox and
Friends and now he's ahead of the Pentagon. I mean,
what world are we living in here?

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
It just seems too weird, and it's not really good
for the country. These aren't the best qualified people, They're
not the smartest, certainly not the most experienced, So I'd say,
what the hell are they doing there? It's just another
reality It seems like it's another reality TV show. You
can't run the United States of America like that. There's

(01:50:34):
going to be consequences. I think we're seeing some of
the consequences actually of this. I mean, Yemen didn't go
very well. Has Hegseth been fired for? You know, losing
is the worst defeat the United States has suffered militarily,
I think in my lifetime.

Speaker 4 (01:50:52):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
I mean Afghanistan doesn't count because that was a twenty
five year NATO you know, quagmire if you will, a
separate discussion.

Speaker 4 (01:51:02):
But this sort of hit and run with Yemen. It
was a disaster.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
And heg Seth is in charge, right but according to
his Fox bros. And all the supporters on the internet
as sure, it's not his fault. It's not fault. So
first he's in charge and he's wonderful. Then they get
their ass kicked by the Hoho thies and it's not
it's not heg Seth had nothing to do with it.
That's the thinking.

Speaker 9 (01:51:29):
There's so much circular stuff going on. My head is spinning,
you know, it's all the time, and it's I don't
know it's gonna be. I have a pretty dark feeling
when it comes to, you know, all all of those
negotiations that you're talking about. It's like some of the
financial negotiations soon to be going well. Germany kind of

(01:51:51):
caved this week a little bit, and that looks like
that might actually, you know, do some of the things
that people that are have their eye on fire finances
are are interested in. So that was that was kind
of an interesting one. So I know, we're gonna have
Porsches and VW's made here in the United States now.
And there's that secret number again that almost five hundred

(01:52:11):
billion this time with h with Germany there, So you know,
maybe maybe you know, so maybe there's some some semi
good things going on. But when you look at you
look at Syria, you look at what's going on in
the Middle East, Uh, you know, Palestine, Ukraine. Uh, it's
it's uh, it's kind of looks like it's unraveling a

(01:52:32):
little bit. And it's almost like it's almost like it's
unraveling to plan and on time, you know what I mean.
It almost feels sort of uh or like it like
there's a symphony happening here, some sort of symphonic breakdown
of all of the most unstable parts. You know, if
geopolitical policy, it could end up in uh, sectarian or

(01:52:58):
even international world war. So you know, we're all kind
of on the edges of our seats here just waiting
to see what you know, what, if anything, or you know,
where why this is going to pop off. Maybe it
just won't. Maybe it's gonna, you know, go back to
its normal level of a slow boil destabilization. But it

(01:53:20):
kind of sucks to feel like that would be the
best thing that we can hope for.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
You know, yeah, yeah, I mean the slow boil destabilization,
low long term, low intensity conflicts, you know, those ones
that we've become so accustomed to covering. This, you know,
the part of the the dismantling of the deep state
or aspects of the deep state has by Trump has

(01:53:45):
also created another problem. He's also dismantled his National Security
Council and diplomatic proper diplomatic teams including translators on your
side and so forth, Whole contingencies that would be deployed
for you know, complex negotiations like the JCPOA. Okay, so,

(01:54:09):
so Trump is he's just got one guy. He's got
one guy who is a billionaire from New York. And
I tweeted this out and you know I did. This
is just my base conclusion. I go by results, not
not talk, and I put this out and uh, Steve Wickoff,

(01:54:32):
if you haven't worked this out by now, folks, he
this is who he works for right here. Okay, he
does not work for Donald Trump. He works for that
guy and those that country, that lobby, and he was
select It's my understanding as sure, and it's probably not
gonna surprise you. He was selected. He was pre selected

(01:54:54):
for his role, not by Donald Trump, by somebody else,
and the same one that selected Pete Hegseth and Mike
Waltz and the list goes on. He was selected by
the Israeli lobby. Okay, he and the Israeli embassy, the

(01:55:14):
whole Israeli conclave preapproved this guy as the as a
special envoy. So is it any surprise that they keep
breaking down these negotiations with Amas. Just they go and
they go, and it reaches a crescendo, and then all
of a sudden, Israel goes, we can't accept it, and
it breaks down, and then they go back again. More bombs,

(01:55:36):
more airstrikes, more dead Palestinians, more babies blown to bits,
and then another negotiation. Wickoff said we've got it. This time,
we've got it, and all of a suddenly as well says, oh,
we can't do it, and it breaks down. We're in
the fourth cycle of this with wick Cough. I go by,
I look at the results. Sessure, and I don't see

(01:55:57):
any material difference, not here, not in Ukraine, and certainly
not with the Iranians. I'm happy they're talking with the Iranians,
but this situation Gaza has gone from bad to worse.
It's really bad. And the situation Ukraine isn't exactly going
in the right direction right now. So I'm a little

(01:56:18):
bit concerned with this guy and just the general way
that things are being managed.

Speaker 9 (01:56:23):
Your thoughts on this overall, Yeah, a lot of the
talking seems to be sort of running out the clock,
you know. I keep seeing this. It's like, Okay, we're
talk talking with some sort of loose agreement, might last
forty eight hours, maybe it'll last a week. You know, gosh,
maybe we could get some water, some medicine, I don't know,

(01:56:46):
some stuff like that. Not like there's a hospital to
drop the medicine off at anymore, but you know, something,
some kind of aid. Then no, that breaks down to
you know, and you look at like Ukraine, for example,
the Menska chords completely ignored, you know, signed after you know,

(01:57:06):
long painful talks and all that promises made and then ignored, ignored,
you know, to to the toll of you know, many deaths.
So this seems to just be like a like a
a tactic or some sort of hang up that the
public just is supposed to what get used to, get

(01:57:29):
get used to this, you know, for for years on end,
or expect that this time it'll be different after all
of the failed ones. So it seems like intentional uh,
you know, stretching out of the timeline to me while
while pieces are moved on the geopolitical grand chessboard.

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's what's going on.
I think that's kind of like what WI KOF is doing.
So they're what they're doing is trying to get more
advanced weapons into the hands of the Ukrainians and in Gaza,
it's obvious what they're doing. They want to get Well,
I'll bring the map up on screen here. I think
we've got the the endgame.

Speaker 4 (01:58:10):
So here it is.

Speaker 2 (01:58:11):
Yeah, basically kill zones, concentration camps, and you know, eventually
ethnic cleansing. But this whole AID tobaccle you distribution sides
with these American mercenaries working with the Israelis. The Gaza
Humanitarian Foundation, which we've exposed thoroughly this past week on

(01:58:33):
the Midweek Wire Plus on the UK column on Friday,
and yeah, it's it's you know, that's kind of like
what they're buying for time for to wreck the remaining
buildings in Gaza and kill and displace as many of
the native Palestinian population as possible. I know that sounds

(01:58:57):
a little bit crazy and disgusting and horrible, but I again, heshai,
I go by results, and you know, the talk is fine,
you know, keep everyone's saying this, saying that, but I'm
looking at the maps. I'm looking at the results, the
death toll. It's not going in a good direction. So

(01:59:20):
it's like at some point, but according to Fox, things
are going amazing. This is the golden age of foreign policy.
The Abraham Accords are bringing peace to the Middle East,
and it's all going really well. Trump was with you know,
the Arabs. There he is with MBS, looking on as

(01:59:40):
Donald embraces his new his new buddy, very strong past,
very strong man, very handsome. The there it is the
founder of Al Qaed in Syria. I never thought i'd
see the day. But anyway, yeah, it's all going swimmingly well.
So how long can and they keep this propaganda facaught

(02:00:01):
up because at some point, you know, the the Ukrainians
just attacked a Russian nuclear submarine facility this morning, nuclear
deterrent and long range bomber base. That's messing around with
your nuclear deterrent. I don't I don't like what probably

(02:00:25):
is going to be coming next.

Speaker 9 (02:00:26):
Well, remember in October last year, we were covering the
you know, Russian nuclear doctrine updates. They were very specific,
they were very clear, they were very easy to read,
you know, and and they they discussed blocks and allies

(02:00:46):
and things like that, and and what a response would be. Uh,
if you know, something maybe potentially like this were to happen,
and intelligence were to lead to to you know, that
attack being done in concert with a block of other countries.
You know, so if there were you know, any NATO

(02:01:08):
involvements there, NATO training, NATO tools, NATO you know, ISR
assets whatever that could you know, this is kind of
it could be a big deal. It's the kind of
thing that was talked about in that very clear document
back in October of twenty four if I recall, so,
you know, we had a couple of astute geopolitical hounds

(02:01:33):
sniffing around this morning in our discord dropping links about that.
That was what I woke up to. Sportcued me in,
she said, hey, look at this. You know, so that's
a big red flag right there. That's a big part
of what we're talking about right here, with with the
you know, geopolitical situations sort of potentially declining in all
these locations.

Speaker 2 (02:01:55):
No, no, absolutely, And so they're trying to negotiate this
seas fire something or rather, And just as they're making progress,
as if by magic, Ukraine's hitting targets deep into Russian territory,
into Siberia, into the Arctic region as well, they have

(02:02:20):
to be getting assistance from NATO. I would imagine at
that distance. I just sort of think that's probably the case.
We'll bring one of those stories up on screen here
so you guys can have a look. But I don't
think this is totally solo on the part of Ukraine.
There's one right there, Russian Arctic region under drone attack.

(02:02:43):
Air defenses have been activated in the Murmansk region, according
to their correspondent, the local government. Actually, so UAV's coming
from where from Ukraine. That's a long distance over quite
a few different countries. So, uh, yeah, do you think

(02:03:05):
this is the art of the deal. Is this how
the US is trying to get leverage for negotiations by
Is this how you deal with the Russians? You you
hit them hard, hoping that they're going to capitulate, and
you know, you get a better deal for Zelensky. I
don't think so.

Speaker 9 (02:03:24):
No, I don't. I don't either. And as far as
you know, it was just what two three weeks ago
I was hearing Zolensky was now like softening on the
talks and going to sign the mineral deal and talking about,
you know, a ceasefire. You know, this is not the
action of someone who is actually thinking that. And and

(02:03:45):
someone asked me at the time, you know you think
that's real? And I said, no, there's no way that
this Zelensky character, there's no way the green comedian is
gonna uh just changes his mind on this. I mean
he's he's out of his his mind, clearly, or at
least we're being presented with someone that appears to be
out of his mind, and you know these actions, I agree.

(02:04:08):
I don't think they could do it on their own.
Maybe they can at this point, but it sure seems
like the kind of thing that they would be doing
in concert with other people and information.

Speaker 2 (02:04:21):
I think so well according to this is URT so
that's basically going to be the Russia official statement or
position on it. They're calling these terrorist attacks. Quote the
Kiev regime is ultimately responsible for the strikes. So there's
other networks being deployed here. And you know, the CIA

(02:04:43):
have very long standing deep networks in Dagistan, Chechnya, all
of these former you know, quote breakaway regions previously. And
we saw the Crocus City Hall terrorist attack last a
year ago at the the beginning of April, end of
March that sort of period there, and that was I

(02:05:06):
think a cell that had been cycled through Ukraine Uzbek
terrorists and from Tajiks and so forth. So it's kind
of like tangential to you know, al Qaeda type networks
that they're being activated here.

Speaker 4 (02:05:22):
So this is a.

Speaker 2 (02:05:25):
Military airfields in five Russian regions. So if this happened
to the United States, hasher, matt, let's change the headline,
hasher let's say, should we say China or let's just say,
you know, Russia or you know whatever. Cuba attacks five

(02:05:47):
US airfields in five American regions of the continental United States.
What would be the response from Washington, any administration.

Speaker 9 (02:05:56):
What do you think, well, I mean it would rival
something like you know, the when COVID arrived or something
like that. All channels would be pumping it twenty four
to seven. They would have the crazy music going for it.
They would have all the backsplashes and tickers all tuned
for it, and they would be running military propaganda. They

(02:06:19):
would immediately start running war propaganda, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:06:22):
So it's.

Speaker 9 (02:06:24):
And the fact that this is sort of like, oh,
this had this happened this morning, It was like a
whisper in the media that like, this is you know,
now what's been done, you know, with with our partial
three hundred billion dollar you know, contribution to it, which
that in and of itself could factor into the Russian
nuclear response policy that I was talking to, Like, we

(02:06:47):
don't need to have they don't need to prove that,
you know, that that Poland or Germany or UK or
United States special forces went in there and flew a
predator drone over the site, you know, gave them the
coordinates or what. They don't need to prove any of that,
Like we've already given them three hundred billion dollars, you know,
We've given them tanks, have given them fighter jets yet

(02:07:09):
is that still on the board. I don't know, But
it doesn't even matter at this point that we are
a block with them. Basically, as as the way I
read Putin's nuclear document, we're part of the block that
they're talking about me, you, UK, Poland, Germany, all of
US NATO countries.

Speaker 2 (02:07:30):
Yeah, our leaders are painting a big fat target on
all of us basically, Uh yeah. And they've got they've
got underground bunkers and private islands and whatnot. So look
at this, Look at this collapse of two bridges in Russia. Uh,
acts of sabotage according to the Russian Coumany. So we're

(02:07:51):
looking at a major offensive here against Russia in the
last twenty four hours. And they took down this bridge
with people on okay, with passenger a passenger train, and
I think many people have died so far, killing seven,
seventy one injured. So we're about to go hasher from

(02:08:14):
a special military operation to a declaration of war for Moscow.
And is this not what they want? It seems like
this is what the maniacs, the crazies in Brussels want. Definitely.
Frederick Mertz wants war. The Germans seem to they didn't
get enough in World War Two, of the Russians they

(02:08:35):
want more. And the United States, yeah, they bring it on.
I mean, when does America not like a good war
and they've spun one up here.

Speaker 4 (02:08:45):
This is not good.

Speaker 2 (02:08:47):
I don't like what's coming next. I really, I'm really
not liking it at all.

Speaker 9 (02:08:52):
Have any Western leaders addressed this and condemned Ukraine for
doing this?

Speaker 2 (02:08:58):
That's a good question. That's a good question. What would
be the sensible thing to do, that would be the.

Speaker 9 (02:09:05):
Smart thing to do if you cared about your people,
considering you know, if you cared about your people and
you have good national security, and you know, advisors who
actually have read the nuclear doctrine from the opposing nuclear superpower,
which you know, we would assume is happening, right, I mean,
all a trillion dollar do D budget, an endless black

(02:09:28):
bag budget for all the intelligence agencies. We could assume
that somebody has read these documents right, and that they
would know that this has put a target on our
backs and that this could get ugly, and would insist
that Western world leaders say, hey, we weren't part of this.

(02:09:49):
We condemn this, we're not going to support Ukraine anymore.
But I haven't even heard a whisper. I'm barely seeing
anything in Western media nothing like that, certainly, just you know,
almost like the ones I have seen of it are
almost cheering it on. You know, it's like the tone
in their voice raises and all that good stuff, like

(02:10:10):
like they're reporting good news or something, not like they're
reporting news that puts a target on everybody's back.

Speaker 2 (02:10:18):
Yeah, I mean, in the old days, well even during
the Cold War, there'd be a call from me as president,
We're sorry about the loss, really sorry, unless, of course
the US is involved in it, then they won't make
that call.

Speaker 4 (02:10:30):
So that that worries me.

Speaker 2 (02:10:31):
It does really concern me that, you know, the kids
are in charge and there's no adults left in the room.
And I'm no more confident about Trump's gang than I
am with Sebastian Gorka and some of these psychopaths running
around the White House than I was with the Biden gang.

(02:10:52):
Quite frankly, I don't see I don't see this one
that this group is that much better, given the chance
there's still some crazy neocons in there as well as
between the Zionists, the neocons, and so forth, so other news.
Let's just go down here of what's been up at
twenty first century whire. Federal judge says law used to

(02:11:15):
detain Mahmood Khalil is likely unconstitutional. I think he's probably
gonna win that case. That's going to be a huge
egg on the face of Marco Rubio and probably Trump
to the Trump will hopefully be able to avoid that somehow.
And let me get down to the interesting one here. Okay,

(02:11:37):
I don't know if you and you've got a chance
to read this, but this is a devastating takedown of
DOGE by someone on the right, actually, Martin da Silva.
He's saying Musk fleeing the Trump administration. So a couple
of things happened this week. Casher, if you noticed, Okay,

(02:11:58):
Muskin announces he's leaving the government. He's leaving do Oh
it's only a temporary position or whatever. And the numbers
in here are devastating. So he said he was going
to cut two trillion back when this soul started. Then
he downgraded that to a trillion, then he downgraded it
to one hundred and fifty billion. It's a big downgrade

(02:12:19):
from two trillion. And now we find out that Doge
is probably going to end up costing the federal government
more than it saved through rehiring all the people that
Elon and his band of data analysts, adolescent data analysts.

Speaker 9 (02:12:38):
Finding folks like to find folks like big balls.

Speaker 2 (02:12:41):
Yeah, like big balls. It's costing. It's going to cost
them quite a lot. They absolutely lied about some of
the savings. On one report, it says here they put
eight billion instead of eight million. It was a contract,
they just changed it from a million to a billion,
and you know, so they're fudging their numbers and crazy.

(02:13:04):
And tax obviously collections way down because of the cuts
in the IRS. Not everyone's going to protest about that
for good reason, as you can imagine. But still the
government's taking in less money. And then he's ramping up
the defense budget. So DOGE saved no money from the

(02:13:26):
last year of Biden, and by the end of the year,
the overruns are expected to be much higher than Biden's
last year in office. So that's Doge. It's gonna end
up costing the taxpayer. There he is with crypto scammer
Javier Milay, with the chainsaw, So what was all this
hasher if? And then there's the white genocide tobacco don't

(02:13:50):
even want to get into that. So all that happened
in the last week. I mean, and here's Elon basically
lamenting that, you know that Trump shouldn't have you know,
he's done the wrong thing, and he's basically saying Doge
made no difference. He's disappointed in Trump's Trump's big beautiful bill.

(02:14:11):
What did you think was gonna happen? I mean, we've
been watching the federal government for a long time. Has
sure what country has Elon been? Has he not been
paying attention to how the US government operates?

Speaker 9 (02:14:23):
I don't know. I mean they raised what are we like,
four or five months into this, they raised the DoD
budget up to a trillion dollars. It was up at
you know, eight hundred and some odd billion. That got
raised to a trillion, so that you know, just was
sort of a shell game for whatever amount of that

(02:14:43):
money was. I mean, that amount of money that they
raised that by might even be more than Doge actually saved.
And I'm afraid they're probably not going to actually rehire
a lot of those people. I think they're going to
just use AI agents probably to do his any of
those jobs as they can, and then figure out how
they can get rid of even more of them. So

(02:15:05):
there's a good chance that a big part of this
was a big slash and burn of positions that you know,
they wanted to get rid of so that they could
replace with AI. And I think that's probably unfortunately same
for the IRS, because we're seeing reports about AI being
employed at the IRS. So you know, we thought the

(02:15:26):
seventy thousand new IRS age armed IRS agents was scary. Well,
how about skynet IRS is how's that sound?

Speaker 4 (02:15:35):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (02:15:35):
So elon the big conservative. Yeah, he's he's real conservative.
He's a technocrat and what does he sell.

Speaker 9 (02:15:42):
He's got AI to sell. How about that? How fortunate?

Speaker 4 (02:15:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:15:46):
Him and feeder Thiel Alex Karp, the tech bros. Trump
has let them in. This isn't the first time Trump
has let in some crazy technocrats to basically run rough
shot over all of our liberties. I mean, what was
that thing called in his first term. Wasn't that Operation
Warp Speed and Fauci. I remember that that the Republicans

(02:16:09):
seem to have forgotten it still.

Speaker 9 (02:16:11):
Never got an apology for that. Either we're all, you know,
apparently we're supposed to just let that slip into the
into the memory hole. But you know, according to even
government figures now, it's up to maybe half a million
people that may have lost their lives to some of
these products and some of the things that came of

(02:16:33):
that very initiative, A huge, massive number nobody wants to
talk about. The CDC this week recommended to people that
they cancel their travel plans unless they have a certain shot. Yeah,
they want you to have the MMR and if not,

(02:16:54):
you should cancel your travel plans because it's so bad.
So this grift is still going on in the background.
RFK was here in Texas shilling on that very same
product not but six eight weeks ago or something like that,
on top of some fake news, on top of a
couple of dead young girls. So that whole thing has

(02:17:17):
been bothersome to me. I'm seeing the sort of pandemic
industrial complex rearing its ugly head to some fear pron
this week in some of the headlines.

Speaker 2 (02:17:28):
Yeah, and they also announced a new variant, COVID variants launched.
I don't know if you caught that, the B one
one one whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:17:38):
The hell it is.

Speaker 2 (02:17:39):
I mean, yeah, but apparently it's coming out of China.
They've somehow figured out that it's it's from China. I mean,
just just totally retarded.

Speaker 9 (02:17:48):
Sounds like a Star Wars droid.

Speaker 2 (02:17:50):
Yeah, let me see if I can bring that variant
up on screen here. I don't know, I've got to
I'll find it in a moment. But let's let's round
off Elon. So if you haven't seen this report, you guys,
if you have any questions about DOZE and what they
actually did or didn't do, it's all here, like all
the numbers, everything, the whole analysis. It's pretty bad. Like

(02:18:12):
Doge was basically a big scam. It was all for
Elon's personal brand and to help Trump seem like he
was being more efficient and you know, cutting waste, fraud
and abuse. Nothing of the sort. Nothing like that happened.
And he's got us chasing a white genocide in South Africa.

(02:18:33):
That's not happening. That's all Elon. By the way, that
was the whole white genocide thing with Trump and bringing
the South South African president over, that was all Elon.
Basically he was the main organ and apparently it didn't
go well. So isn't it funny that he's being kind of,
you know, politely kicked out of government. But there's other

(02:18:55):
stories that emerged hesher this week about Elon. There's a
whole bunch of other things. One of them is this one.
And not that this should surprise anybody, certainly doesn't size me.
But the New York Times ran this story that Elon
basically was whacked out of his head on drugs during

(02:19:18):
the campaign. He's admitted he takes ketamine and what else
he's probably on, like adderall. I don't know what he's admitted,
but ketamine. I remember hearing him say that he took
ketamine for therapeutic purposes or something like that. I mean,
that's a pretty powerful horse tranquilizer and ketamine. It's for

(02:19:38):
horses to put horses down. It's powerful stuff and hallucinogens.
He smoked pot on the Rogan Show. That was fairly lightweight.
But he does all this other stuff and his behavior
at you remember the inauguration rally where he was jumping
up and down and saying his plant flags on and

(02:20:00):
how cool that would be. It was very cringe worthy.
And all of this carry on in the White House
and like, how much of this was like under the influence.

Speaker 4 (02:20:09):
That's the question. Now.

Speaker 2 (02:20:10):
Of course he's denying any of it, but it's sort
of concerning Hesher because he's parading around his five year
old son. Is he on drugs while he's in the
White House? And then something else happened this week Kesher.
Elon showed up. He'd look at him. He's got a
black eye. There, he's got a black eye. You see that.

(02:20:31):
Now he was asked by the press, how come he
got a black eye, this clown, Elon Musk, and he
blames it on his five year old son. He said,
he said, I asked X to punch me, And turns
out when a five year old punches you, he get
a black That's impossible.

Speaker 4 (02:20:47):
Have you seen how small his kid is.

Speaker 2 (02:20:49):
Yeah, if his kid could pick up a frying pan
and really give it a good swing, maybe get a
black GUYE. But not his hand. His hand is like
you know, a spoonful of pasta. There's no way, there's
no way you got a black GUYE. Is it possible, Hesher?

(02:21:10):
That Musk, I mean with his baby Mama smacked him
and he's blaming it. He's using his kid because He's
used his kid as a human shield already for media purposes.
He always leads with his five year old ex for
the photo ops to make him look like a family man.
He's clearly not a family man obviously, so he does

(02:21:33):
use the kid, and he is pretty ruthless about to
make his pr better. He uses his kid, like he's
already shown, he's pretty shameless. The jovial Elon Musk there
joking around, so funny. Yeah, his kid gave him a
black eye? Do you believe that? Does anybody believe that?

(02:21:53):
Not getting any challenge from the Fox News crowd, I
think they've got a little I don't know if this
is a good shot of the black eye there, but
I mean I think I think one of the baby
mom has punched him.

Speaker 9 (02:22:07):
Who else would have grimes? Who else? Yeah, I was
gonna say, who else would have access? I mean, he's
he says he's had multiple assassination attempts on him. He's
got security around him at all times. I'm guessing. Uh,
we just had a CEO get rolled, I think, and
was it in Dallas. I'm not exactly sure where it happened,
but there was a story about a CEO that got

(02:22:28):
like a bitcoin's, you know, rich guy that got ambush
and there's you know, I don't really know all the details,
but it sounded like there were two off duty detectives
involved in it in some way, shape or form. It
was very interesting. But anyway, we know that people like him,
high profile people like him, have security around them pretty
much most of the time, So I don't know who

(02:22:48):
else would have access to sock him in the face
give him a black eye, unless it was like his
MK ultra handler or something like that. Seems like Grimes
is a pretty good guess. But she's only one of
what like fourteen baby mamas at this point, so we
don't even do we even know who all of them are.
And what's the right wing influencer gal that's the latest

(02:23:11):
baby mama.

Speaker 4 (02:23:12):
She's Ashley Sinclair.

Speaker 9 (02:23:14):
Yeah, Ashley, She's she's had some drama lately. I mean,
I don't know. It doesn't seem like it would behoove
any of them to punch him though, because he's sort
of their cash cow. But you know, he wouldn't want
that to press to get out, I'm sure, so it's
not like he'd have him arrested or anything.

Speaker 2 (02:23:30):
I can see him getting decked by a woman because
he's so he has this insufferable, overgrown manchild quality to him,
and he obviously is not loyal to anybody. He wouldn't
have that many baby mamas and that many illegitimate children

(02:23:52):
if you were loyal. So I mean that this probably
I can see if I had to bet it's one
of his baby mama. It's definitely not his five year
old kid. It's a solid set that's so weak that
you would pawn that off. So if he's using the kid,

(02:24:13):
is probably the mother of that kid. Yeah, well that's Grimes,
and that's Grimes.

Speaker 9 (02:24:18):
There is one other option. Perhaps he was on an
airplane with mister Brigitte Macron.

Speaker 2 (02:24:27):
Oh yeah, yeah that one. Yeah, I could have been,
could have There's a lot of that going on these days.

Speaker 4 (02:24:33):
Right you see that?

Speaker 9 (02:24:34):
Oh my gosh, man, that was that In the wake
of the whole you know, five hours of Candice Owen's
journalism on that and what that's done to Macron and
Brigitte in particular, that was just I mean, too too
well timed, too epic, the whole just like you know,
heisman to the face and then the camera right there,

(02:24:57):
just you know in the precious that was absolutely stunning
piece of media. Two seconds of media right there.

Speaker 2 (02:25:07):
Yeah, Macro headline macron is assaulted by male assailant on
a airplane. I mean that's how it should read anyway. Yeah,
I mean his his wife or husband, wife whatever, really
has the best plastic surgeon in the world, I think.

Speaker 4 (02:25:30):
I mean, that's the top of.

Speaker 2 (02:25:31):
The top, something to aspire for. Yeah, for sure, that's
the best of the best. I mean, nobody, nobody is
even close. The waiting list is probably years to get
that one. But you know, the world of the nip
in the talk the Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous,

(02:25:51):
as Robin Leech used to say, the Great Australian TV
Present Remember Robin Leach, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:25:59):
Yeah, back when the rich and famous didn't look like
the crypt keeper.

Speaker 1 (02:26:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:26:04):
So, you know, it's been a busy week. Uh So
Elon said his famous last words were, this isn't the
end of Doge, It's just the beginning. Those are like
famous last words. I've heard that so many times before
something totally collapses. It's not the end, it's just the beginning.
And then all of a sudden, I think that's the
end of Doge. Basically, and I think that's the end

(02:26:25):
of Elon and government. And yeah, I think I think
it's it crashed and burns. Trump's got to make it
look good, you know, He's got to He's got to
keep keep things okay. I mean, it's not a it's
not a good look. A lot of problems were caused,
a lot of feathers were ruffled. And it sounds like

(02:26:47):
just looking at the the data that Elon was putting out,
how a lot of it was falsified and these big
rounding eras rounding eras like eight million to eight billion.
I mean this, these aren't the mistakes that genius wonder
kids make. This is very careless and unprofessional. And and
then the whole point is the budget wasn't reduced at all.

(02:27:10):
In fact, it's expanded. So what was the point.

Speaker 9 (02:27:16):
I got a great story for you. I have a
friend who was working on a government contract as a
IT guy, right, and he was no fan of Biden
put it to put it lightly lightly, And when when
Trump was elected, he was very excited and then he
got doged. He lost his job in the doge and

(02:27:38):
it was like a sad irony.

Speaker 10 (02:27:40):
You know.

Speaker 9 (02:27:41):
He was like, well, I'm glad, you know, Donald Trump's
the president and not Kamala Harris. But this sucks to
get doged.

Speaker 4 (02:27:47):
Well, oh he just got doged.

Speaker 9 (02:27:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right after Trump came in. Yeah, it
was like this is here's your parting gift for your vote.
You know, you get fired.

Speaker 4 (02:27:55):
So that's a verb. That's a verb sort of like
a verb.

Speaker 9 (02:27:57):
I guess I have a really anybody use it, but
I think I might have just coined it at any rate.
And it was right after these big wins, right like,
he works on an installation where you know, he had experienced,
you know, four years of all the crazy CRT and

(02:28:17):
DEI and they had it, all the extra training and
to sit through all these training modules and you know culture,
they changed the culture on the base pretty much.

Speaker 4 (02:28:28):
And then.

Speaker 9 (02:28:30):
Right before, right before he lost his gig, they put
an email out to the entire base saying, no more DEI,
no more CRT. These positions are gone and this is
not allowed here anymore. So he went a few months
without work, and then he got a contract back over
there to go into the system and remove the and

(02:28:53):
fix the gender field so that it only says male
and female. They had to go take out all of
the you know, three other checkboxes, you know, kat non
binary whatever, you know, all that stuff. So it's just
been such a wild, like weird turn of events for
for so many people. This is not the outcome a

(02:29:14):
lot of people expected.

Speaker 2 (02:29:17):
Wow, wow, so you go, you got got a database
clean up the database contract there. Well, you know, he's
in game full employment there. So and again there was
this what I read was that Elon was on this
kind of ideological kind of mission or he was trying
to had this kind of methodology that was sort of

(02:29:40):
ideological based, and he was supposed to so he's target
He targeted one, uh, somebody who was receiving some federal
funding or grant that was doing prison advocacy. And because
I forgot the name of the the actual grit, it's
in the article that we showed up up on the screen.

(02:30:02):
But they he went after them and deployed basically wanted
minders to be at all these organizations, to watch them
and to see, you know, what they're doing, if they're
if they're being woke or not or something like this.
I mean, it's just cut to kind of an extreme level.
And one of them hadn't even received any funding this year,

(02:30:23):
but they had received it the previous year, didn't get
an up. This is before Doge arrived, and then his
his team wrote that up as one of their accomplishments
that they you know, cut funding, but they never got
funding to begin with, but they counted them as a cut.
It's I mean all sorts of stuff like this. I

(02:30:45):
mean a very unprofessional, very kind of flap dash ad
hoc as you'd expect a lot big promises and not
delivering that much. Definitely not to I mean to say,
when you when you start off with two trillion and
you put that out to America. Most of the Fox

(02:31:05):
crowd believed that he cut two trillion. If you pulled
them right now, how much do you think multiple choice questions,
they'd all picked two trillion. Maybe the other half would
pick one trillion. Nobody would say minus fifty billion. Like
it that he added money to the budget. No one
would say that. So the propaganda worked, and his reputation

(02:31:27):
among the base is that he was this revolutionary uh
you know, efficiency and it was all it was all
front loaded. Remember at the at the rally and Trump
comes out and doze, doze, He's going to be doing doze,
and it was all everyone's doze, the merchandise, the dogs,
the T shirts, the hats, the doge father, all this stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:31:49):
Nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:31:51):
It was just it was just all pie in the sky, nothing,
no material benefit except for what you say at hesher
preparing preparing the groundwork for the technocracy.

Speaker 9 (02:32:06):
It's so much fanfair. I mean, the fanfare, the dog
and pony show aspect was just insane. And I'm I
I would also be curious to know the the financials
behind the flip flop of you know, Tesla itself as

(02:32:26):
sort of a greeny, you know, liberal progressive product to
I mean, I it's four and I literally have a
friend who bought a Tesla and he said why did
he said this?

Speaker 4 (02:32:40):
To it?

Speaker 9 (02:32:40):
He goes, why did I buy a Tesla because f liberals,
you know what I mean. And it's like, hmm okay,
so what are liberals buying?

Speaker 10 (02:32:48):
Now?

Speaker 9 (02:32:48):
Well, I know a liberal that just went and bought
a Hyundai electric car. So it's like, well, who brought
the new Hyundai factory and investments into the country, Oh,
Donald Trump? Did do you think five hundred billion? That
five hundred billion dollars against So Donald Trump brings a
five hundred dollars allegedly a five hundred billion dollar Hyundai
deal into the country. What that is, I believe is

(02:33:10):
you know, factories and no tariffs and all this kind
of stuff. Well, who's invested in those? That's the other
thing we've noticed that Donald Trump has been caught on
Hot Mike's talking about how much money him and some
of his partners have made on some of these policy changes,
you know, tariff wars and all this stuff. So you know,

(02:33:31):
he should be careful with that because he's been threatened
with so much, you know, attacked with so much law
fair it's kind of like you're giving open goals to
your political opponents to come after you, to cause more
of this sort of you know, hyperpartisan polarization, and it
certainly is having that effect. You know, those that don't

(02:33:52):
like Orange Man are getting a lot of ammunition right now.
But kind of just feels like there was a reshuffle
of the whole like electric car thing, you know, it
just feels very calculated and like everybody stands to make
money on it, and the people that are buying electric

(02:34:12):
cars from different brands based on their identity politic are
really not having any effect politically whatsoever, and probably just
enriching all of these lithium ion battery pushers.

Speaker 2 (02:34:25):
Yeah, yeah, a little little different, spreading out the market
a little bit. And you know, so Elon's he's done.
He's done what you know, he Tesla propelled him into
the stratosphere. It's given him the capital, all the leverage
to do everything that he's doing. But you know, people,
forget Elon Musk backed Joe Biden in twenty twenty, he

(02:34:53):
backed that senile corpse in twenty twenty, and the election
fraud and all the other electioneering and so forth, ballot harvesting,
all that garbage. And Elon backed Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen. Yeah, Elon,

(02:35:13):
you backed Hillary. You backed Obama twice, twenty eight, twenty twelve,
and I think you backed John Kerrey in twenty oh four.
Don't blame you for that. I don't know if Elon
voted or not in two thousand, but if he did,
he probably voted for al Gore. Just saying, yeah, very likely,

(02:35:37):
Just saying because it's all about the green New Deal.

Speaker 4 (02:35:41):
That was Elon's new deal.

Speaker 9 (02:35:43):
That was all the rage and in that election, all that.

Speaker 2 (02:35:47):
Like the electric car was going to save the climate.
Total absolute fraud. But that's how he became the richest
man in the world was on the back of the
fraud of the climate change, hoax of the Green New Deal,
technocratic potential global takeover which is still in play. That's

(02:36:08):
how he became the richest man in the world, on
the back of one of the biggest frauds hoaxes and
power grabs and technic technocratic World Economic Forum buttressed agendas.
That is Elon Musk. He's Klaus Schwab's greatest achievement and
he just suddenly pivoted, you know, ten months eight months

(02:36:31):
ago on the MAGA train and then the rest is history, folks.
So like I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying,
he's the cult. The cult. I've been trashed in the
on X. You know, my account's frozen. Uh, my followers

(02:36:51):
are going you know, they're removing followers at a rate
of one hundreds per day from my account, probably because
of my criticisms of Musk and Trump and everything like that.
Who knows, But uh, he's got an army of trolls.
They're all anonymous sock puppet accounts.

Speaker 4 (02:37:10):
I noticed.

Speaker 2 (02:37:11):
So you know, with like twenty followers, one hundred followers,
The biggest one had like six hundred. And yeah, as
people are saying, why don't you lay off him? He
was a homeless immigrant when he came to that way.

(02:37:33):
He's just a homeless immigrant, they said. And now he's
the richest.

Speaker 9 (02:37:36):
Man on the planet. What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (02:37:38):
How he's Horatio alger on steroids?

Speaker 1 (02:37:42):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (02:37:43):
Somehow you know like that. You know, it's like his
dad didn't have a diamond and emerald mind or whatever.
He probably had a handful of stones. And that's how
you transferred cash out of the post apartheid South Africa
or wire it money laundering organizations via Israel. That's another

(02:38:03):
way you get you get capital out of South Africa
into your Silicon Valley startup venture. So but yeah, rags
to riches, leave him alone. He needs a safe space.
Don't pick no. The other one I got esher was
why are you so cruel? He's he has autism? I
got that one too.

Speaker 9 (02:38:22):
Oh yeah, that's a favorite people love to wing out
these days. Like people. It's so insulting too, as though,
like people with autism can't be held responsible for their
their actions or their words are you kidding me. There
are so many people that are on some sort of
spectrum and autism spectrum, and uh, you know, don't don't.
That doesn't mean that they're not you know, to be

(02:38:46):
held accountable for their words and their actions. And it
doesn't mean that if you criticize them that you're you're
just doing ad hominem for the heck of it, or
or trying to, you know, belittle them in a in
a mean sort of way, like we're we're talking about
things that all of us here.

Speaker 2 (02:39:04):
Yeah, because he comes out and basically attacks liberals, democrats,
black South Africans, whatever. See, He's going after everybody, and
but you're not allowed to criticize him according to his base.
So he's allowed to do full frontal assaults on everybody
on a platform he owns with and he makes you

(02:39:26):
follow him even if you unfollow him, you still have
to follow him.

Speaker 9 (02:39:29):
If you unfollow him, you just see him more.

Speaker 2 (02:39:32):
Yeah, he just goes to the top of your feed
and you can't criticize him. So it's like you remember
that if you complained about Facebook censorship, it's it's a
private company. Mark Zuckerberg can do what ever he wants
and the right world. The right world lived over that
cop out, and now they're doing the same thing. Well,

(02:39:54):
if you don't like it, it's Elon's platform. It's a
private plat same argument.

Speaker 9 (02:40:00):
The amount of convergence on those sort of like whiny
liberal talking points is staggering, you know, in the magabase,
you know, the true believers, the trust, the planners. It's
just like all the conspiracies have converged, and all the

(02:40:22):
bluing on is you know, turning purple and on. Now
it's really nutty.

Speaker 2 (02:40:29):
I don't know these guys. I mean, if they could
only hear themselves, you know. And one guy said, I've
been called a Democrat, a democrat, a dumb democrat, whatever.
And I'm looking at I'm looking at some of these
accounts like they just got on the platform in twenty
twenty two, twenty twenty, I sent him an article from
twenty sixteen before the election calling out the DNC hack

(02:40:53):
is fake and that Trump is being you know, wrongly
persecuted for Russia Gate. So I I was, you know,
I was supporting Trump in that sense before all these
people were even on the on the app, you know,
but they are attacking you, calling just assume that you're,

(02:41:16):
you know, a pink haired, you know, progressive, just because
you're criticizing Elon or Trump, And it's that's kind of
where we're at, I think with US politics. It's it's
getting pretty polarized in that respect.

Speaker 9 (02:41:32):
Yeah, I'm afraid the attention span is really low for
a lot of people, and even people that thought they
were highly politically tuned in in the lead up to
this administration. It's it's like there's a lot of Timothy
Leary tuned in drop out going on right now. I

(02:41:52):
don't know if the LSD is involved, but these days
the MK ultra lives in the led screens, not in
the LSD so.

Speaker 2 (02:42:00):
Much so a lot going on with Elon. It's yeah,
it looks like he's out of the picture for a while.
He's probably got some other kids to deal with and
baby mamas and NDA's NDAs.

Speaker 9 (02:42:15):
To sign for his Yeah, he's got he's got video
games to play too. You know, he used to maintain
that top slot on World of Warcraft or whatever. So
there's that. Oh, we would be remiss if we did
not shout out Whitebird, who in the boiler room discord said,
we're talking about Eloudon's black Eye said he joined the
Harry Reid Black I Club. Harry used to show up

(02:42:36):
for press conferences all the time with a shiner, And
there is a whole thing out there. You can go
get this debunked for you at PolitiFact or any casual,
crappy fact checker. But the question is our black guys
on Newsmakers evidence they're in the illuminati, and Politifacts says no,

(02:42:58):
sometimes they're just clumsy.

Speaker 2 (02:43:00):
We're gonna do a quick fire comment round hesher because
we were just getting slammed with comments here. I totally
forgot to bring in this part of the second before
we convene this week's edition of Sunday Wire. Here jokers
for you, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Wozniak, Larry Allison. We're
all chosen as teenagers at the very same Xerox Corp.

(02:43:23):
Think tank in the Bay Area. Interesting, we might have
to follow up on that.

Speaker 9 (02:43:29):
Yeah, I think like World Economic Forum young leaders, like
an older version of it. I've heard this. There might
be a there there.

Speaker 4 (02:43:37):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:43:37):
Deep state hand picks these people who they think are
safe and easily controllable to become poster boys for global capital.

Speaker 4 (02:43:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:43:47):
I could see that possibly, definitely, there's Elon does kind
of fit that profile, certainly, I would say, so.

Speaker 4 (02:43:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:43:55):
And if they step out of the line, they get
donkey punched at a Diddy party right in the eye.

Speaker 4 (02:44:01):
And jokers for you is on a roll here.

Speaker 2 (02:44:04):
Bessos and Moscow are both syps and assets from the
beginnings of their career. They are vetted as teenagers, no joke.
So he's going deep on this.

Speaker 9 (02:44:14):
One here, Drew Zuckerberg in there too. We could make
a list that would go on and on this afternoon.

Speaker 4 (02:44:21):
Here we go, and just to change gears, the Scotian
doomer orshnik in.

Speaker 9 (02:44:29):
You are a doomer, I know though, right yep, I know.

Speaker 2 (02:44:33):
Yep, yep. So we'll see what else we've got going
on here? Who else have we got? Oh, we're here,
take a chance with this two pounds tomato. Another neat
thing to look into is the ethnicity of the legal
advocates who helped Nelson and his necklacing advocate wife Winnie. Oh,

(02:44:57):
this is South Africa, okay, So going after the a
n C. So yes, I think that's a tired talking
point that was retired long ago that Nelson Mandela is
a terrorist, So I guess I don't think so. I mean,
so were the I R A, and so were every
other armed liberation movement in history. There were terrorists until

(02:45:20):
they weren't. Look at Jolani. He's the probably the prime example,
isn't he the most extreme example of that one? So
here we go, Here we go. Oh, there's so much profanity.
I can't put a lot of these spicy in there. Yeah,
I can't do it. Hold on for a minute. Let's

(02:45:42):
see what else we got here. Yeah, there's just a
lot of chaos in the comment sections.

Speaker 4 (02:45:47):
This week.

Speaker 2 (02:45:50):
We're talking about yep, nuclear armageddon. There's a lot of talk,
a lot of doom dooming going on in the comments.
Here we go, Ah, this is what this is what
we're looking for. I'm non binary.

Speaker 4 (02:46:02):
It took me.

Speaker 2 (02:46:03):
It took years for me uh to come to terms
and embrace my shit. Uh and it's gone in a blip.
Thanks dumbass white people. I love this comment because it's
just it's so unfiltered and raw and authentic. So social
emotional learning with doctor Donnie. Thank you, doctor Donnie, Thank

(02:46:27):
you for sharing that with us and opening up uh
in such an honest.

Speaker 4 (02:46:33):
Way, I really appreciate this.

Speaker 9 (02:46:36):
Hassure it's good.

Speaker 4 (02:46:38):
This is great.

Speaker 2 (02:46:39):
So we're sorry about all of the uh, you know,
removals of fields on databases about genders and whatnot. I
know this is gonna be tough, but you may just
for the moment anyway, until there's a Democrat back in power.
You might have to pick male or female. Looks like
you're probably a male. I'm just guessing. I could be wrong,

(02:47:00):
and again, don't be offended if I got that wrong.
But if there's only two choices and you had to
pick male or female, looks like you're a guy. So
you might just for now anyway, for the remainder of
the Trump term, opt into that male tick box. And
who knows, if Gavin Newsom's in or Kamala gets in

(02:47:20):
in twenty twenty eight, you get you get a run
of the spectrum again.

Speaker 4 (02:47:25):
Yeah, what do you think?

Speaker 9 (02:47:27):
Yeah, the pendulum will swing, You'll swing.

Speaker 2 (02:47:30):
All over the place. This is swinging around the room.
It's all about swinging. Oh my gosh, Oh yes, I'm Kamala.
Feedback going on here, Here we go. Zp's app's always
good for intelligent comments. Our biggest problem is the downfall
of our judicial branch under Trump quote reform to fascism. Oh,

(02:47:55):
not very complimentary of Donald Trump's interference in It's kind
of ironic, Keshure, because Trump was the victim of lawfare,
total politicization of the judicial branch, total politicization to an
extreme degree. That is just one of the most dangerous
and damning things I've ever seen in my life in politics.

(02:48:19):
But the response of Trump, they're basically going basically to
do their own version of this by literally attacking well.
I don't think they're doing it very wisely because it's
going to create a really heavy backlash if they go
out of power in three years or four years, and
it could be even more authoritarian. We've got this polarizing

(02:48:42):
war going on in politics, and the casualties of this
war are going to be our system of checks and balances.
That's the danger.

Speaker 9 (02:48:52):
What do you think, No, it's a huge problem. I
agree with Zp's app here, and it seems to be
an ongoing function. It seems to just get worse with
every administration, almost like policymakers are trying to do this
on purpose. You know, it's almost like the Red Tape

(02:49:14):
and all this stuff is maybe you know, I should
just attribute it to negligence and stupidity and building corruption,
but it almost feels like it's being done on purpose.
And we have policymakers and party members in both parties
who have made ridiculous suggestions, you know, that would make

(02:49:39):
it even worse, like packing the courts and the whole
thing that has been done with the circuit courts, the
way the circuit courts have been populated with partisan people
who many of whom don't even have experience as judges
that can literally stop policy or you know, be the

(02:50:02):
log jam in getting someone their constitutional right to a
speedy trial. You know, this kind of stuff, it's just
it's broken. You know, I've talked to a lot of
lawyers about this. I've interviewed a lot on Today's News,
Talk the Pulse and here at Alternate Current Radio also,
and these are the kind of things that could be fixed.

(02:50:25):
And you know, if an administration was serious about getting
this back to where it's a functional because it's one
of the pillars of our government. It's one of the
checks and balances, and the other two are clearly corrupt
and clearly screwed up. And this is the one that
should be disallowing them from running rough shot on people,

(02:50:48):
and this is the one that didn't do that. That
system did not do that during twenty twenty to twenty
twenty two and a half at all, and they allowed
so much crazy lawfare to happen, politicized law to happen.
And you know, we were told that this administration was
going to stop that and disallow it from continuing to

(02:51:08):
happen in future administrations. And I certainly hope that the
MAGA crowd holds them to that because it's it's a
pretty big promise and it's a pretty big problem.

Speaker 2 (02:51:19):
Yeah, Like Caroline Levitt, the spokesmodel, the whatever press secretary,
I'm not sure I call her a spokesmodel because that's
kind of like what Trump likes to have in those positions. Remember,
I think NewART was the other sort of camera young
Cameron Diaz doppelganger in the last term. But she basically saying,

(02:51:40):
you know, these judges, you know, America didn't vote for
these judges, and they're getting in the way of Trump's policy.
You hear this talking point, Fox loves this one. That's
not how the judges ruled. They ruled on due process.
Due process is a constitutional issue, So the judiciary should
not be political, not right or left. They should just

(02:52:02):
be constitutional. And as far as I could see, those
judges were ruling on due process, and that's in everyone's interest.
That's in everyone's interest, including the right, including Trump himself
because he was a victim of no due process through
the politicized courts. So I don't like the way that
just because something goes against that. Let's face it, the

(02:52:26):
ham fisted immigration show voting by Rubio and these guys,
it is cutting into you know, constitutional due process and
some of that stuff's being pushed back, as we showed
with Mahmoud Khalil and others. And it's against the First
Amendment in the case of the student foreign student protesters

(02:52:49):
and so forth, Rubio's taking it. He's now wanting to
ban Chinese international students. So they're going in a certain
direction on this. I don't like it, and I hope
it doesn't can in this direction, but somehow I think
it will. The Dark Commission's got one here. The difference
you'll like this session being a science fiction fan. The

(02:53:10):
Dark Commission at Pandora Chaser two. The difference between Musk
and me. He says, is that he's read the same
sci fi books I have, but he's got the money.
I think he's I think he's definitely dunning. Krueger just
hires the experts. A lot of people have said the same,
that he's a front man.

Speaker 4 (02:53:31):
M possible.

Speaker 9 (02:53:32):
Yeah, people have a hard time believing that this guy
has untold government contracts, works in you know, space engineering,
Rocket Launching, the most innovative electric car company in the
United States, has time for side projects like boring giant

(02:53:55):
holes into the earth and making tunnels in bedrock. You know,
he's just a little side hustle, and on top of that,
has the amount of time to be a top tier
video gamer. I don't know if you folks know any
top tier video gamers, and maybe you do, maybe you
have some idea of how much time they spend sitting
on their butt in front of a screen to maintain

(02:54:18):
said position. Of course, there are rumors that Elon pays
people to play on his account, so that.

Speaker 4 (02:54:24):
Oh, he would never do that could be a thing.
I would know. Elon would never pay someone to do
his work for him.

Speaker 9 (02:54:31):
Oh, you hire the experts, hire the experts, and and
Elon you know, if we're correct, Patrick, we were talking
about you know, did did he vote for al Gore
back in two thousand? I don't know, but maybe I
bet he probably did. But one thing that he did
do properly was he watched what al Gore did instead
of what al Gore said, because al Gore said, all

(02:54:55):
these areas we're going to be underwater in ten years.
Yet he bought mansions in all of those locations. So
Elon cued into that, and he said, Oh, look at
all this money that's being made on this hysteria. Huh,
maybe I should look into these batteries a little bit more.
Where in Africa can I get lithium and other cobalt

(02:55:17):
and other stuff? And then we all know how that
story goes from there.

Speaker 2 (02:55:20):
Where can we get Congolese children working at five cents
a day to go down in the pit for cobalt
and whatever? Yeah, and to fuel the electric car revolution? Yeah, wonderful.

Speaker 4 (02:55:34):
I love this. I love it. It's almost good enough
to go out on here. Elon.

Speaker 2 (02:55:39):
He wears his kid as part of his costume in
place of the hat at times. So true, so true.
I mean it's just old already. The whole stick with
the kid on the shoulders. It's too much. Basically, thank
you for that, mister zp's app here. They're all piling

(02:56:00):
in on Elon here. Elon is far too busy cage
fighting five year olds and losing apparently, or cage fighting
baby mamas. It's debatable.

Speaker 9 (02:56:12):
Wasn't it just a year or two ago he was
telling us he was going to fight Zuckerberg and now
he's getting beat up by his five year old?

Speaker 4 (02:56:19):
Holy you're right? Did he He challenged Zuckerberg to a fight, right?

Speaker 13 (02:56:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:56:25):
And then Zuckerberg went and trained for it and Elon didn't.
Elon was eating burgers and then he canceled it. That
was That was a little bit of a chicken out,
wasn't it was? That wasn't gonna happen. Zuckerberg would have
kicked his ass. I think Zuckerberg looked like he was
in fighting shape. I'm not a fan of Mark Zuckerberg,

(02:56:45):
trust me on that, but he looked like he was fitting.
He probably hired the best MMA trainer, got in fighting
shape and would probably whoop Elon pretty bad. I mean,
if his baby mam is given him shiner, certainly Zuckerberg
would have worked him.

Speaker 9 (02:57:01):
Yeah, he lives in Hawaii. I think there's some pretty
good jiu jitsu houses in Hawaii, and I've seen pictures
of him and some of them. I don't know how
like if he still does that, but he definitely u
He might have taken that seriously for a minute there
until he saw Elon.

Speaker 2 (02:57:15):
Look at this, Kirk Lazarus weighing in here. Elon's granddaddy
was a Eugenesis technocrat. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Speaker 4 (02:57:23):
True.

Speaker 2 (02:57:24):
He's the founder of the Technocracy movement. His granddad, Elon
Musk's grandfather, the Technocracy Movement. They were banned in Canada.
They kicked him out and they had to go to
South apartside South Africa. That's how bad things were for
that party. That's true. And the apple doesn't normally fall

(02:57:44):
far from the tree. Oh, here we go, last, but
not least, And this is you from Texas. Should be
able to verify whether this is true or false. Texas
residents near the Musk Data Center may lose their land
to imminent Domain for its expansion.

Speaker 4 (02:58:01):
Wow is that the case? Could that happen?

Speaker 9 (02:58:05):
You know, the way Greg Abbott behaves in this state,
I would not be surprised at all. I just got
a big data download a couple of weeks back on
his involvement in the creation of this whole. We've got
all kind of issues with housing developments that have been created,
and we're, you know, the typical American thing, something that

(02:58:28):
you see in California a lot. Oh, we're going to
develop this land right here, and it's going to be
what we like to call low and middle income housing track.
You know, it's going to you know, we pass it through,
we get all these extra waivers and stuff. Well, Greg
Abbott highly involved with the company that set that up,
and Greg Gabbott was the one that petitioned the government

(02:58:50):
for them to get in on I can't remember the
opportunity zone get labeled as an opportunity zone, which means
they don't have to pay capital gain taxes. Means if
they set up businesses there, those businesses don't have to
pay capital gains taxes. And then they moved a whole
bunch that they had one community further up north in

(02:59:13):
Texas that they were saying was going to be all
the advertising for it was like, it's an Islamic neighborhood.
It's you know, and of course people hit the roof
when that happened. And then there's this other one closer
to Houston. It's like seven hundred thousand acres of land
or something like that, and it's just this huge crime zone.
And Greg Abbott goes around and talks about how terrible

(02:59:35):
it is. How did this happen? Well, he's the one
that worked with the land developers. Who are you know,
millionaires that dine in his mansion multiple times. You know
that do investments. You know, they all do investments together,
and they you know, it's just so corrupt and stupid
that I would not be surprised if that was the case.
There's a lot of selling out going on here in

(02:59:57):
the background.

Speaker 4 (02:59:58):
Yeah, sounds like it. Sounds like it. Well.

Speaker 2 (03:00:01):
Oh, in my opinion, Gore was given the Green gold
Mine for not contesting Florida. You're probably correct there.

Speaker 9 (03:00:07):
They made.

Speaker 4 (03:00:09):
Him the Green King as that was his payoff.

Speaker 2 (03:00:12):
So he became a hero, got a Nobel Peace Prize,
got an Oscar or some kind of award or whatever.
But we're going to end it with this hash sure,
and thank you for your comments and your analysis on
all of these topics.

Speaker 4 (03:00:28):
We really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (03:00:30):
But we have to end on this comment because as
we were talking about the source of Elon's black eye,
Kirk Lazarus says, Amber heard headbutted Elon.

Speaker 4 (03:00:42):
It's probably true. He probably made a pass at Amber heard.
I'm sure. I'm sure, who knows. Maybe she signed an NDA.

Speaker 9 (03:00:52):
He's like, I watched you in court. You're pretty freaky.
You want to hang out?

Speaker 4 (03:00:57):
Yeah, you want my seed kind of thing? Does it? Parties?
Apparently goes and offers to father.

Speaker 9 (03:01:03):
Uh, got plenty of beds. You could drop a grumpy
on in my mansion.

Speaker 2 (03:01:08):
Would not be surprised. But yeah, that would be funny.
That would be a great scene. Actually, I mean someone
could maybe do it AI. Oh let's not get into
AI videos anything as possible. Now that's kind of freaking
me out.

Speaker 9 (03:01:20):
Are you seeing these new ones?

Speaker 1 (03:01:22):
Man?

Speaker 9 (03:01:22):
We were talking about them on boiler Room last week.
My goodness, the new Google engine for text to uh
to video.

Speaker 4 (03:01:30):
Is I saw it?

Speaker 9 (03:01:31):
Absurd. It's it's absurd, like we are we are at that,
we're approaching that moment now that what was it? Former
CIA director William Casey or deputy director William Casey said,
where we'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when none
of the people know what is real anymore? I mean,
are we? Is that what he meant?

Speaker 4 (03:01:51):
Are we?

Speaker 9 (03:01:51):
There is this some sort of you know, inflection point
we're about to pop through here? What kind of problems
are gonna come from this?

Speaker 2 (03:02:01):
He sure to take us out with your programs this week?
Where can people find you? Listen and watch?

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Speaker 4 (03:03:06):
Yes, indeed, and we still live on the Pulse, Hesher.

Speaker 9 (03:03:12):
They're reformatting some of the tech over there, some of
the broadcast tech, and I'm looking forward to getting back
on it. But for now, last I looked Pulse Radio two,
where I was broadcasting, is being worked on. So they
got the hood open and they're working on it over there,
and as soon as my slot opens back up, I'll

(03:03:33):
be back with the Pulse. But Mike Ryan is broadcasting
over there. Shout out to Mike. You know at night
good to see. At least for me it's at nighttime.
Stay up late enough I can catch the Mike Ryan
show over at the Pulse dot today. So we encourage
you to do the same thing to keep up with
what's going on over there.

Speaker 2 (03:03:50):
Yeah, thank you for that, thank you for joining us,
and thank you Hesher, and a big thank you to
our special guest for Kareem Franceski from Italy coming in
live with unbelievable and great great analysis and again you
want to follow Kareem on x there's his profile at
Kareem Franceski there. He is a formidable Middle East analysis

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It has been real and we'll leave you with the
music of our friend Joseph Arthur. Still waiting for that ceasefire,
Maybe it'll come this week. Take care, all the best.

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Cease Cease Cease five.

Speaker 13 (03:06:45):
Guys to read show No sides when their Mother's tried

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in no real way to justify that death that comes
from an evil sky sees fire, cease fire, seas fire

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God Si damni fi, a newly a bomb dressed in
a kill box. People can escape, that's holds a lean

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where can they go?

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A jello side.

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Something it's been leal fad.

Speaker 12 (03:08:08):
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Two guys or something. Because it might be the last
time raising had.

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About the we are? What's this say about you?

Speaker 12 (03:08:46):
We are?

Speaker 1 (03:08:52):
Because this might be the last.

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Time raising had about the beyond? What's this say about
who we are? Digital imation said, digital lies cut out

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the long along with the supply. The prod began the
leads to the.

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Human a fellow humans and silence that cry sez cease.

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Guys Sometimes because it's not be the last.

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Time raising hay.

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About who we are?

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Let's this say about the wea?

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This like be the last.

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