SUNDAY WIRE EP #562 ‘Breaking The Siege’ – Hesher, Basil & Ruckus with guests, Iara Modarelli and Tadhg Hickey - Sunday Wire with Patrick Henningsen

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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Welcome, Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to the Sunday Wire. I'm
your guest host today. My name is Brian McLain, sitting
in for Patrick Henningson. I see we've got a lot
of our friends, viewers and listeners piling into the chat
rooms right now. Thank you for joining us for this
live broadcast. It is September the twenty eighth of twenty
twenty five, and We've got a great show lined up

(00:50):
for you here today. And I'm not going to waste
a lot of time because we have guests waiting in
the wings. I'm going to bring Basil vallanin time on
first here. Basil, welcome to the Sunday Wire. How you
doing very well?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Thank you here show, good afternoon, good morning to everyone
all around the world.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yes, yes, it's great to have you with us. Thanks
for being here today. And we're gonna go straight to
our guests, Basil, because they are in a very interesting
environment here. I want to welcome Yara Modarelli and Tig
Hike to the program. Welcome you guys. How are you

(01:33):
really good man?

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Can I just congratulate you on the pronunciation of my
name that was top tier?

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Well, I had a little bit of coasting there, so
thank you for that. We're very pleased to have you
with us today. So you guys are aboard the flotilla
on the way to Taza. We've titled today's show Breaking
the Siege. And there's been a lot of I've been
tracking what's going on. There's been a lot of excitement

(02:00):
and this is is this the third attempt or how
many attempts have we had now?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:06):
So we had a first drone attack in Silibid Port
in Tunisia on our one of our main boats called
Family the day after. Twenty four hours later, our own
boat was attacked and Tiger was actually on the boat
during the attack, so we got drone strike then. And

(02:27):
then we had a couple of crazy moments a couple
of days ago where our communications were jammed first, and
then we had seen around fifteen drones hover above our boat,
and shortly after we started hearing explosions. So we were

(02:50):
all taking cover and just watching and waiting, desperate and
kind of thinking, you know who's next. They were kind
of just arbitrary, rarely attacking one boat after another, and
there was some structural damage to one or two boats
and Thankfully no one got injured, but some chemical substance

(03:13):
was also dropped on another boat about and one of
the crew members on board actually got their face burnt.
So there was a lot of crazy stuff going on,
and of course Israel is doing this to intimidate us
to try to get as many participants to leave the

(03:34):
mission before our final leg.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
It didn't work. We're underturred and we're sailing on.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
You want to kind of mention what happened during the
i'm a drone strike.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
And yeah, like the drone strike that was on our
boat in particular, it was just kind of surreal because
we have been doing our drills and trying to do
everything we can to prepare for the moment of them.
When it actually happens, is there's something kind of.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
Very surreal about it.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
And that night, and I think the night a few
nights ago where there was explosions in the sky. We
were talking amongst ourselves and it was this kind of
uncanny feeling of having a small semblance of understanding of
what Palestinians go through all the time, because it was
like three hours of relentless attacks in the sky and
it was very clear that nobody was coming to help.

(04:22):
And I think that's personally as a white Westerner, and
it's probably the first time that I've ever actually truly
understood what it's like, even a semblance of what it's
like to be in Gaza like every night with that
stuff going on overhead, and feeling like that the world,
in terms of world leaders just doesn't really care enough
to intercede. But to be honest with you, I think
we're over the deterrens like it's it's the kind of

(04:45):
lashing out of a bully, and you have to stand
up to a bully. I think, if anything, it's made
people more resolved to what they're doing and more determined
to reach our goal.

Speaker 6 (04:54):
We're very aware that we're humanitarian mission. We're not doing
anything illegal.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
We're non violent if we want to set up a
humanage in order, so we have to take a helicopter
view of the fact that this state is largely allowed
to bomb a humanitarian mission carrying things like baby formula
to a besieged population. I mean, how have we got
here as a society that is is kind of normalized
and there's no real accountability for it.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah, And one thing that happened around twenty four hours
after these attacks was that our various governments were actually
called and embassies were called.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Contacted by Israel to warn them.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
That they would attack again and the second attack would
be much harsher than the first. And so, you know,
this to me seemed absolutely insane that Israel is manufacturing
consent to attack us by quoting that we're terrorists, by
genuinely They've been doing this for weeks, putting out bogus reports,
of fabricating information completely false and just trying to manufacture

(06:03):
consent to attack us or just kill us. So we're
you know, still here undertred. We're going to continue that.
If we don't break the seats this time, we'll come
back again and again until we do. And there's nothing
Israel can do at this point to stop the wave
of humanity that is sick and tired of watching this

(06:23):
genocide unfold day in day out.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
And like Tiger's saying, you know.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Palestinians wake up to drones hovering above them every single day,
they wake up to bombs every single day. So our
focus with this mission is not to center ourselves as
heroes of anything, but it's to center Palestine to bring
the focus back to Palestine, into Gaza and to remind
people why we're here. So it's very important to us

(06:48):
that when these kind of I want to say almost minimal,
and I'm not downplaying the seriousness of the attacks that
occurred the other day, but when you compare that to
what's happening in Gaza right now, it is still minimal.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
No one was injured.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
You know, one or two boats had structural damage, and
we're still perfectly fine. Fifty plus boats are on their
way to Gaza right now, and Israel has clearly said.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
What they plan to do with us.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Of course, you know, we won't know for certain whether
you can't trust Israel's word, but they have said that
their plans are to intersport our vessels, intercept us, kidnap
us once again, commit another war crime in international.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Waters, and.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Detain us for god knows how long. But again, none
of this compares to what Palestinians go through.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
So yeah, I think it speaks to the narcissism of
Western society that commentators and critics are saying that the
flotilla is all about publicity stunt for yourselves, and you know,
endlessly seeking to move the conversation away from the suffering

(08:08):
of the people of Gaza. So I'm very glad to
hear you recenter that they are, because really it's just
a projection by Western narcissists. They can't see beyond the
possibility that somebody might actually be doing something for somebody else.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, yeah, do you want to say something.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
Yeah, that's a really nice that's a nice way of
putting it. Like it's say, for in the case of
Greta Thumburg, we have been privileged enough to spend time
with on this mission, and she's exactly opposed to the
kind of Instagram culture or the fame thing that, say,
the likes of Pierce Morgan obviously has kind of made

(08:49):
a career out of So as you say, it's I
just think it's supremely ironic that somebody is kind of
narcissistic and as much of a kind of a media
cure as peopuld say in Ireland would be accusing Greta Thunberg,
who actually just wants to make the horrendous situations in
the world a little bit better and has kind of
dedicated her whole life to it. Far from having any

(09:11):
ego or being a selfie yacht merchant She got on
our boat and got straight stuck into cleaning toilets, insisted
in sleeping where everyone else left, and I just thought
of she was this kind of narcissistic selfie yacht enthusiasts.
She definitely went about it a very very strange way
by insisting in cleaning toilets on day one.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
And a point to add that I think is important
is that we should not have to be on this mission.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
This mission shouldn't even exist.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
There shouldn't be hundreds of people potentially risking their lives
to open a humanitarian corridor on an illegal siege on God.
But we're here because our governments refuse to do anything
about this ongoing genocide. They refuse, in fact, they are complicit,
you know, as to the the response from our governments.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I have a German passport.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
The German government released a statement after being contacted by
the Israeli embassy.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Their laptop.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Released a statement to the world saying that they would not,
in fact protect German citizens, and many other governments have
done the same. They will not protect us, and they
will not send a diplomatic representative to essentially get us
out of prison once we're in Israel. So It's absolutely

(10:36):
incredible that our governments, to this day, after two years
of a livestream genocide, are refusing to even send a
diplomatic representatives to get their own citizens out of prison
that were imprisoned on an illegal basis. I mean, there

(10:56):
are just no words. All these Western implicit states are
refusing to help their own citizens in favor of Israel.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
And that's how deep these ties go.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
That's how how deep the funding is and the and
the financial benefit that they gain from supporting this this genocide, and.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
They're just are no words.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
So we're here at sea, you know, doing the work
of our governments, and it really shouldn't have to even exist.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
This mission should not exist.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
No, absolutely. Gustavo Petro, the Colombian President, said in New
York last week, shortly before having his visa revoked, that
the Hague Group had got together and issued to declarations
saying that military intervention is now needed to save the
people of Guards and that's certainly the technically the legal
position according to the Geneva Convention. I mean, I don't

(11:55):
think that's actually going to happen. I've just discovered today
that the dreadful creature masquerading as the UK's Foreign Secretary
Cooper says, the international community is on the brink of
securing a peace deal for Gaza just today Sunday. I mean,
obviously we've heard that many times before, and one can't

(12:16):
help wondering whether or not your presence in the Eastern
Mediterranean has indeed speeded up that process, because you know,
one way or another, it's going to provide a huge,
you know, international flashpoint. If fifty boats are boarded and
you're all whisked off to Israeli dungeons, the optics on

(12:38):
that at the very least are going to be very,
very bad for Western governments.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Sorry, we just went inside real quick, so we missed
a little bit. It was getting very dark outside. But yeah,
in terms of I mean, Gustavo Petro just to mention,
I mean, shout out to.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Him for being one of the only politicians, i.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Mean, the only president that actually showed support for the
global with Papilla, aside from the Malaysian Prime minister. It's
it's unbelievable. It's unconceivable that we live in a time
where where we we we can't even get you know,
and we are getting a lot of political support from
members of parliament that are you know, that want to

(13:21):
see an enter this genocide, but no other president has
really called for our protection. After drove, after sitting out,
you know, under cover in cover for five hours, waiting
to see if we were the next boat to be
attacked by a stunt grenade.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Or an explosion. Uh and and two vessels being directly
drone strike.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
The fact that we're still we still don't have the
global support. I mean, you know, you can compare this
to to to Palestine, to Gaza that has much less
political support, and we're very privileged to be in a
situation when you compare that to Gaza.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
But you know, what we're doing here is we are
using our passports of privilege to.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Essentially, you know, get the world, get the world's discourse
moving and re centered around Gaza again because unfortunately the
world seems to have become rather desensitized to this genocide,
almost almost accepting of it, like there's nothing we can
do about this. Well, there is something we can do
about it. And it's not just getting on a boat

(14:34):
and trying to sail to Gaza.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
There are many things that people can do to talk,
to share with friends, to protests, to occupy Israeli embassies
if that's what it takes.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
But I think that at this point of the genocide,
we just cannot look away. Anyone who looks away at
this stage is completely complicit in what is happening.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
You want to mention a few things.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
About I just I suppose I just want to add
on a positive note that something is shifting obviously. I mean,
like you guys know the strikes going on in Genua particularly,
I just felt bad that Ireland wasn't the first country
in Europe to kind of lead that level of disruption
on governability. I'm so glad the Italians have done it,

(15:22):
and I just think for people watching, there's a moment now.
The global smooth flotillity is just a small part of
the moment where it feels like something is happening globally.
People aren't buying the ZIONUS lies any more. People are
questioning any kind of US Empire narrative about how the
world works and how it's the world's policeman. I think
there's a real revolutionary moment that we're living through right now,

(15:44):
and it's tragic that it's taken this much bloodletting. But
I feel like a lot of cats can't go back
in bags. I think we've got to a moment where
there's changes coming, and I just urge people to be
part of it. I mean, I'm acutely aware that there's
a lot of eyes on the Global Smooth Flotilla right
now because there's a lot of Westerners on the boats.

(16:05):
But the real story, just to go back to it again,
is that as Israel's one, as is Israel's one, they've
actually scaled up the war crimes that are going on
in Gaza right now. I mean, this is what they
do when you're looking the other direction, they scale up
their atrocities like and so we can't take our focus
off Gaza. And I just think that the moment that

(16:26):
we have the world's attention, we have to try and
push for not just you know, these kind of cursory
acknowledgements of the state from say Britain and Australia, where
we wonder where the state is. How can you acknowledge
a state on the one hand and still provide weapons
to the other so called state that's trying to annihilate it.
It just makes no sense. It's an insult to our

(16:47):
intelligence and obviously it's an insult to Palestinians, a.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Deep, a deep and regrettable one.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
But yeah, I'm positive that there is a moment right
now that we will just be this global smooth flotilla
will be a tiny, tiny part in a really seismic
change in history.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
And just to mention as well, that there is another
initiative which sets sail yesterday called the Thousand mad Leans
together with the Freedom Fulfiller Coalition, and they launched another
ten boats from Catania. They're on their way to Gaza
in a second wave, and I really hope that this
is a historic mission. It's never been done before. But

(17:22):
you know, it only took one mission to start for
more to then join and say, actually this is possible,
Actually we can do this.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Actually we can just.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
Buy boats and sail to Gaza in mass And that's
what's happening right now. I'm so pleased to know that
there's a second wave right behind us that's also going
to attempt to break the siege. And maybe we don't
make it through the first time, maybe we don't make
it through the second or third time, but eventually we
will break the speech and eventually we will create a

(17:52):
humanitarian corridor, and we know right now that we're kind
of in uncharted territory because we.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Have no idea what they will do to us.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
We know that they're not very happy about the amount
of military they need to send to intercept fifty plus votes.
We know that they're not very happy about that, so
they might scale up their aggression towards us.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
But you know, I think everyone here that signed up.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
For this mission is acutely aware that their lives are
not more important than Palestinian lives.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
And that's why we're on.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
This mission right now, and that's that's what it should be,
because a Westerner life, a Westerner is life, is.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Not more important than a Palestinian's life. So that's what
we're trying to show the world.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
We doubt that we're going to get killed, because they
can't just come and kill a bunch of activists.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
But of course we don't know what they will do.
But in the plans that they announced, you know, it
looks like we'll be will be detained.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
We have a lot of support globally and a great
team behind us that will call for our our safe return.

Speaker 6 (19:12):
Home.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
And you know, last thing I'm.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Gonna say against that that there's no reason why we
should have to do this. But you know, here we are,
and it's it's an honor for us to be here.
I know for myself, it's an absolute honor to be
on this mission.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
There's no way nowhere I would rather be.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
I feel very calm, I feel very I don't fear
Israel at all.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
And and to echo what Breta said in one of
her interviews the other day.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
I fear a world that lacks empathy and that lacks
humanity much more than I fear Israel. And I think
I can speak for more than just myself when I
say that there is no fear whatsoever on this boat,
because when you're on the right side of history, there's
nothing to be afraid of.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Right. Well, you know, it's like you said, you guys
shouldn't have to be doing this. All these people involved
should not have to be doing this. And it's it's
horrific to sit here and talk about governments and media
and NGOs and all these nasty pieces of machinery trying
to manufacture consent for stopping you guys. I mean, it's

(20:23):
it's absolutely ridiculous. So yeah, we we really appreciate you
guys taking the time and bandwidth to join us here
on the Sunday Wire today, and you know, my gosh,
I just don't see how a you know, such an eclectic,
driven group of international citizens here can be treated this

(20:48):
way by by Israel. You know, and you know Tiger
right that there are more eyeballs on this right now
than there ever have been. There is a you know,
forgive the nautical metaphor here, but there's been a massive
sea change in public opinion lately. So this is this

(21:08):
is the time. I think you guys are in the
right place at the right time. And my goodness, I
know that all of us here at Alternate Current Radio
in twenty first century wire are behind you. And if
you need to get a hold of us and get
on air at any point, speak to Basl or myself

(21:29):
or Patrick, and we will flex to make it happen.
Because I know this is going to be a very
interesting couple of days.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
I'll just watch one quick point about the situation with
Italy in particular, and the fact they're around forty Italian
nationals on the flotilla. I'm not sure if you're aware
that just today the Italian point Minister Antonio to Johnny
has repeated the proposal made last week for the Flintida
to take the aid to Cyprus or if they sure

(22:00):
distribute Jaza by the Roman Catholic Church. Of all things,
as if the Israelis are going to suddenly allow them unfettered,
unfettered access to Gaza. Maloney has been forced to send
two ships. I don't know if you've seen them yet to.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Free we've seen the ships around us.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Were doubtful as to how helpful they'll actually be. They've
said that they will kind of escort us to the
I don't know how many nautical miles off because of Gaza.
They won't come all the way, and of course this
is kind of just superficial support that we see. I

(22:42):
doubt that they'll. Yeah, it's a stunt more than.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Any and I think the messages we have the people
from Gaza at the moment, how we explain to them
instead of pursuing going to Gaza, we went to Cyprus right,
means that there's people in Gaza who are like counting
on us to come. Some someone have articulated that they
feel it's their last home. So for us to go
to Cyprus I think would be would be selling out

(23:04):
the promise that we've made to many Palestinian friends this point.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Well, also, there's a huge NATO base that is operating
and sending these drones to collect intel on us on
a daily basis. It's getting dark out here, and once
it gets dark, you know, we're on night.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Watch kind of looking out for for drones.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
We've become very good at identifying types of drones over
the past few few weeks here at sea. But yeah,
we are obviously don't believe that any government really is
going to do what they need to do to protect
its citizens. I think, aside from from Spain, who has
sent a maybe ship, which I don't think is to

(23:50):
the same extent as stunt as the Italian.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
I think the Spanish is slightly firm aligned, don't they
They're a little bit more right.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
And yeah, and I think Spain has done a lot
for Palestine, and I mean.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Not just superficial.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
They have cut all relations with Israel now officially, so
you know the next step would be to to remove
the Israeli embassy. But in the meantime, you know, I mean,
we're we're just there's a lot of unknowns on this
mission of course there there is.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
It's a it's a it's never been done before.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
But we are kind of just we we kind of
just rely on ourselves right now, and and the Global
Summer Fatilla team and.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Our group of lawyers and you guys.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
It's not easy to get media, as you can imagine,
so every every bit of amplifications it's called us at
the moment. So we really appreciate you you helping us absolutely.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
One last question. You're due to alive off the coast
of Gaza on Tuesday or Wednesday. What's the most likely
scenario that you've been preparing for.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Well, we've been doing a lot of drills over here,
kind of preparing for any kind of scenario, but the
most likely scenario that we believe will happen, and also
that Israel has stated, is an interception. So you know,
during an interception, of course, we are a non violent,
peaceful humanitarian mission, and so if they do anything to us,

(25:25):
that will be seen, that will be live streamed on camera,
and they will once again expose themselves committing yet another
war crime, so you know, one after the other.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
So either way, I think that this mission was a victory.
Whether we break the siege or not.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
And I'm echoing a lot of Palestinians who've said the
same thing, because the mission brought the world's eyes back
onto Gaza and recentered what is happening in Gaza.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Whether we break the siege or not, we of course
have that hope that.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
We will break the seage, but we also know the
Israeli entity, a Zionist entity, and how they operate, and
so they have announced their plans and those other plans interception, detention,
putting us in some sort of floating prison by their
own words, a detaining us if we resist, whatever that means.

(26:17):
And so you know we're prepared, but we are of
course very aware that if we give them any if
we give them any kind of response or any kind
of sudden movement orso, they will use that as a
reason to attack and.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Potentially kill us, like they did on the Mmimaramada.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
In twenty ten where they kill ten plus Turkish activists,
so humanitarians.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
So we're well trained.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
We've done a bunch of trainings, we continue doing them
on a daily basis to really build in that muscle
memory so that when the moment comes, we are completely calm,
completely peaceful, and if they then do something to us,
the world will see and the world will bear witness,
and they will once again have committed another warfrimet in
international waters.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I would find it very difficult to not at least
call them some unpleasant names if they were to board
the ship. But that's just me.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
And I think a lot of people might also be
wondering in that eventuality, if that were to happen, what
becomes of all of the humanitarian aid materials that are
aboard the ships. I mean, that's what a lot of
That's the whole point, right, Like what happens to all
the water and the baby formula and everything that is
so necessary.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
We know what happens to it, what always happens to it.
They steal it. Their thugs. They're going to steal the aid.
They're also going to steal the vessels. A couple of
reports went around saying that they would board the large
vessels and sink the smaller vessels.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
So either they sink the AID together with the vessel, or.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Or they just steal them and tow them back to
ash Dot Coot and never to be seen again. You
know this A will of course not go to Palestine.
It never does, and it never will because that's not
their intention. So they're playing a little pr game with
us by saying that we should bring the aid to Ashkilhon.
Absolutely hilarious to get that kind of suggestion because aid

(28:24):
has gotten in through through Israel before, right, I mean,
it's just absolutely ridiculous to even think that we would
we would correct.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Course and okay, let's just bring the aid to Israel.
Let's go.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
I mean, it's it's it's ridiculous, it's it's hilarious even,
really just hilarious.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, Frank, Frank Romano had had told us that that
they said that to you, and it's just like, what, like,
why would they do that? I mean, they're gonna do
your job for you, guys. You know you're you're they're
gonna do your doing and just deliver that stuff. Okay,
I don't think so that's not the is gonna work.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
And also Time made a really funny video the other day.

Speaker 7 (29:03):
I mean, it was, it was it was pretty hilarious
to see there's really Foreign Ministry posting a tweet where
they claimed that they would do everything in their power
to protect the participants of the platilla.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
And a day later they bombed us.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
I mean them, I mean, okay, you know, let's just
take them for their word. That's why, you know, the
plans that they have that they have disclosed, that that
they have with us. We're prepared for those, but we're
also prepared for worse, because there's just you can't trust

(29:37):
a word that comes out.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Of the Zionist entity.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all right, you guys, anything else you
want to you want to say to the audience before
we let you go. I don't want to use up
too much of your bandwidth.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Keep your focus on Gaza. Keep your focus on Gaza.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
And if you're following the flotilla, there's lots of smaller
boats as well. We're on a boat called them tech Now,
and there's lots of smaller boats that need media coverages us.
If people on the build with smooth Stila page and
you go to the tracker, you can track all the boats.
So when some of the smaller boats don't have as
many like big personalities or diplomatic support or whatever, so

(30:16):
all boats are equal.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
All right, time, Yeah, pleasure, Thank you so much. You guys,
be safe out there and keep it. We'll see you soon.
There they go. Wow, that was an amazing update, Basil.
You know, I think back to some of our older
broadcasts when we were audio only and we would, you know,

(30:41):
bring people in from I don't know, Aleppo or you know,
play bandwidth star with places in Syria, and it was
always so difficult to get a good connection. So it's
really fantastic to be able to have a good video
and audio connection.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
From the Eastern Mediterranean.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, that's uh, really really cool that we were able
to connect with them. So Basil, Uh, let's let's carry
on here. Let's let's bring Ruckus aboard. Here. We've got
Ruckus joining us. Ruckus, Hello, welcome to the Sunday Wire.

Speaker 8 (31:17):
Howdy, howdy, howdy. How's it going?

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Very good? Very good. I want to talk well, first
I want to you know, decompress about what we just
heard for a little bit here, and then I want
to shift and talk about what's going on in the UK. Uh, Basil,
looks like we've got some new censorship maneuvering happening and
all this going on. But Ruckus, what'd you think of

(31:41):
the uh, the connection that we had there and everything
that we just heard from our friends in the flotilla.

Speaker 8 (31:50):
Well, it was nice that we didn't have any connection issues.
It's good that there's not like drones flying overhead or
crashing into boats, pagers exploding. It's very nice to see
that thus far everything has been peaceful, because we know
how certain countries like to overreact, because they can say like, well,
you know, we consider this one particular group where we're

(32:11):
here to be bad guys aka terrorists. And you know,
if you're providing assistance to the terrorists, that makes you
friends with the terrorists, and by extension, that makes you
terrorists too as far as we're concerned, and hey, that
makes you fair game. So I'm always ultimately concerned about
the safety of people when they do stuff like this.
I'm also seriously impressed by their bravery, not just because

(32:33):
of what they're doing, but also because they're on a
boat and you all know I'm not going to do
that myself, so there's always that. You know, if I
had made it here in time, I would have asked them,
did you see any sharks? But maybe maybe they have
less to They don't need to worry about the sharks.
They need to worry about other things. So good to
hear it from them, And it was a good connection

(32:53):
that was fantastic and a nice reminder. That's the time difference,
because it's like night time there already.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Right, Yeah, yeah, that was kind of neat watching the
sunset behind him.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, I mean, hesha, you could have a drone strike
there in Texas because some elements of the Israeli government,
I'm not sure if this is their official position at
the moment, have decreed that everybody aboard the flotilla is
a terrorist and by giving them coverage like that, you're
providing material support to terrorism, and that means you can.

Speaker 6 (33:28):
Your fair game.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
You're a target yourself, you know so, I mean considering
Charlie Kirk was taken out for daring to question the
events of October seventh and asked was there a standdown?
Be surprised if you're still around next week? Heesha for
that matter, me too. I mean yesterday, George Galloway, the

(33:50):
leader of the Workers Party of Britain, was detained on
his way back into the UK at Gatwick Airport under
the Terrorism Act. He's been a member of Parliament for
about fifteen or twenty years on and off, including as
recently as last year, but that didn't make any difference.
He's had his electronic devices stolen, and you know, we'll

(34:13):
find out more details soon enough. I don't think he's
made an official statement yet, but the idea is to
put the frighteners on anybody opposing genocide and the Anglo
American Zionist Empire and its plans for as simple as that.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
You know, they love to use airports for this too,
don't they. The airport is one of the best places
to really mess up someone's day, to really you know,
put some you know, put a hitch in their giddy
up when they're trying to come back or leave to
go somewhere. He was coming back from Moscow, wasn't he.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I believe he was, Yes, So I mean it might
be that, in fact they did see on x somebody
he was speculating that it was his opposition to World
War three that had landed him in hot particularly hot
water at this time with the British government. I'd like
to know who gave the order because airport staff normally

(35:16):
they want to quiet life. You know, let's get everybody
through and what's the time my shift finishes in an hour,
let's all go home, you know, So you know, somebody
in the home office at the direction of a politician
somewhere down the line has said pull him and his
wife out and steal their mobile phones and laptops. We

(35:39):
want to put the frighteners on them. So who gave
that order? That's the interesting question, because I shouldn't think
it was purely operational at the airport.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, it seems much more specific, much more targeted, seems
I don't know ruckus to me, it seems retaliatory. It
seems like it's supposed to have a chilling effect. You know,
we've seen this many times before. I remember a lot
of people getting denied access to Australia at certain points,

(36:09):
people getting denied access to America. But jeez, we even
had Norwegian tourists I believe that were turned away here
in America because of social media posts that we're seeing.
So this whole chilling effect seems to be something that
is being laid on really thick right now. And then
this whole like your terrorist adjacent if you don't buy

(36:33):
government and media and mainstream media narratives, is really seems
to be kind of rearing its ugly head.

Speaker 8 (36:38):
Too adjacent pretty soon, and it won't be so adjacent.
It'll be directly targeted. Thank you. Yeah, it's your target hasher,
Thank goodness. I don't live anywhere near you. I wouldn't
want to be close to you when that goes down.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, you didn't want to be in a three block radius,
would you.

Speaker 8 (36:57):
That's right, I guess for all targets now. Anyways, I
don't know the Galloway thing. I'm sure that's exactly what happened.
Is is somebody I don't know how how involved they
have to be this these you know, this day and
age where they have somebody gets a phone call and
this is like a staged and planned thing and a

(37:19):
lot of people involved. Or if somebody can just quickly
and easily, maybe through one phone call or a text
message or no phone call, just flick a switch to
set up a little because something just triggers the algorithm, right,
just triggers like excuse me, sir, we need you to
come over here for a minute, because because it flagged
their system or something I mean, or and then you know,
it's so so much easy for them to say, oh,

(37:40):
this was a simple mistake, you know, but it does.
It sends the message, It creates the question in your mind.
It comes at a time when right now there's over
too well over two million signatures for people who are
upset about this digital id thing that's going on.

Speaker 9 (37:57):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (37:57):
And of course we've been seeing the news here on
this side of the pond about how people are being
you know, arrested for social media. It's happening like in
Australia too, I believe, and I'm just like, this is
the craziest thing. I think it's going to come here
to America soon as well. But I just I don't know.
The Galloway thing is, that's that's where things go too far. Sure,

(38:19):
we sit here and complain about Trump putting pressure on
networks or networks deciding to put pressure on themselves to
gain favor with the current administration by having certain people's
shows canceled in the wake of political high profile events,
the Charlie Kirk thing and Jimmy Kimmel and whatnot. But
to you know, to use the FCC is to go,
you know, go after somebody, right is one thing. But

(38:40):
to literally start arresting people who are journalists, podcasters, folks
who actually go out and do the footwork in this
particular industry, in this space, I mean, that's that's a
whole nother story. I mean, that's different. You know, if
you want to like shadow Bannis or cancel us online

(39:00):
or that freaking sucks. But to literally come and start
arresting us, to send drones to us, like we've been
joking about here, that's the phase that we're moving into.
Like Alex Jones does this whole info Wars thing, and
I always thought, oh, that's just a cheeky metaphor, like
we might be entering a hot info wars very soon.
They might actually want to send bullets against our speech,

(39:22):
as evidenced by the Kirk event. You know, take it
for what it's worth, whether or not you believe whatever,
the message is clear, everyone walks away from that be like, oh,
all this guy was doing was just out there speaking
is truth, and speaking your truth got met with a
bullet in the neck or where the back of the head,
wherever it may have been or come from. Whatever your

(39:43):
theories are about all that, You see what I mean.
So again, the message is the same. So we have
certainly entered a churning point into a new dangerous territory
involving all of this stuff, which again leads me back
to being concerned when people hop on boats and head
into a very dangerous situation which they shouldn't have have
to be in in the first place, because you know,
it's twenty twenty five, and you know, I thought we

(40:04):
cared about people starving to death and people step up
and do the right thing. But you know, I guess not.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I've got a video message from Patrick
henningson here, hot off the press here, So let's let's
give it a watch. See if we can bring Patrick
into the program here.

Speaker 10 (40:30):
Very important under Wire broadcast this week. Thank you Hesher
for guest hosting. This is very important sunder Wire broadcast
this week. Much appreciated. Big thank you to the rest
of our ACR team and also to our listeners, to
our audience right across all the live platforms on the
comment streams. Thank you guys for your engagement on this

(40:51):
the Global sum Mood Flotilla. This is an unprecedented, historic effort.
These are people volunteering from all over the world. They're
all putting it on the line, not just for the
people of Gaza, but I believe, and I'm sure you
many will probably agree with me, they're putting on the
line for humanity at such a crucial juncture in history.
Never before have we seen this kind of a siege.

(41:12):
We're going into the second year, two year anniversary of
October seventh, it's right around the corner, just in a
couple of weeks, and here we are. I can't believe
that we're having to cover this issue, let alone the
fact that there's a complete blockade on food, water, medical supplies,
basic humanitarian relief, medical care. Israel continues to destroy every

(41:39):
habitable structure in the Gaza Strip, every hospital, every school,
every university, churches, mosques, and nothing is off limits for
this bloodthirsty IDF being fully backed by the United States government,
being backed by the UK, being backed by France, by

(41:59):
the EU. You it's unbelievable what's been allowed to happen.
So here we are, and you know, right off the bat,
I also want to say big shout out too. Hopefully
we connect our guests. We've connected our guests hopefully well.
From all the different boats, I want to give a
big shout out to Iada Madarelli, who's also a special
contributor for twenty first century ward dot com. She's there

(42:23):
on this ship as well, joining this effort, as well
as doctor Frank Romano and the Irish performing artist Tag
Hickey as well, so the three. Hopefully we've connected or
able to connect all three this week, But regardless of
how we do on our remote connections, it's really important

(42:44):
I think that people here from the people involved in
this flotilla directly, and we've covered these in the past
when there were single boats coming and these were the Magdalene.
Also the Conscience was attacked and some of these other
single boat efforts, and that raised a lot of awareness.

(43:04):
Now this is on a whole new scale, and we're
hoping this is going to capture the imagination or at
least and the attention of the global community more widely,
more than mainstream community, and I think it's happening. A
lot of the mainstream media are now being forced to
cover this. Major media outlets that have been basically caring

(43:25):
water for Israel for the last two years have been
forced to cover the fact that these boats, including Frank's boat,
Frank Romano's boat, which I believe is called the Specter,
was attacked by Israeli drones, I mean in an international
waters on a humanitarian mission, so total violation of international law,
maritime law, everything Europe has nothing to say about it.

(43:48):
The United States has nothing to say about it. Luckily,
there are some mainstream media outlets. Even CNN covered it, Okay,
So if you're in the mainstream and you're not covering this,
you know, well, shame on you. But par for the
course quite frankly, but unfortunately the dire state of affairs

(44:09):
that's happening right now with this, so I don't know,
I really we're all praying and praying for that everybody
involved is in this flotilla is going to be safe.
We're praying that they're going to achieve their mission, which
is to deliver humanitarian aid to be leaguered surviving population

(44:30):
in Gaza. We're praying for all of those things, and
we hope that that's going to happen. We know that
they're going to complete their mission one way or another.
Of course, besides physically delivering the aid, which the people
in Gaza are in dire need of any anything they
can get, even fresh water. Besides that, it's really about

(44:53):
raising awareness and that's you know, I think it has
to happen now. It's now or never. There's going to
be no second chance here. We are witnessing one of
the worst, one of the worst genocides. Maybe you could
call it. Many are calling it a holocaust. But it's
happening right in front of the world's eyes. It's happening

(45:15):
in real time. Nobody can claim ignorance. Oh I didn't know.
Oh it's not as bad as we thought it was. No,
that's not going to be a suitable excuse. So my
final word on this is we've been covering this from
the beginning of the Gaza flotilla effort way back months ago,

(45:35):
and we are just blown away by all the resources
that have come together, all the different people that have
come together to help each other, to donate, all sorts
of great people with great skills and great personal qualities
as human beings, special people, many of them have come
together in this effort. It just goes to show you

(45:56):
what can be accomplished with quite frankly, very little in
terms of resources, but a lot of willpower, a lot
of dedication, a lot of compassion, and all the best
qualities of humanity I think are embodied in the global
sumud of flotilla. And also, let me say, these are

(46:16):
very brave people. These are people that they're quite frankly,
are more afraid of what the situation that's been allowed
to get out of control, that's been allowed to persist,
this horrific situation in Gaza. The people on this flotilla

(46:37):
are more afraid of what that means for humanity than
they are even about their own personal safety. You see,
they're willing to take that personal risk, and probably many
more would have liked to join them but couldn't. But
that shows you how important this is for everybody. This

(46:58):
is not just isolated in the Gaza strip.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
This is not an.

Speaker 10 (47:02):
Issue about Palestinians or Arabs in Gaza. Okay, this has
ramifications regionally, internationally and globally. What could happen as a
result if this is allowed to continue, this type of lawlessness,
this type of barbarism by Israel and those who are

(47:26):
backing it, who are sponsoring it, What that means for
the future of humanity is grave. Indeed, that's the important
thing that people need to focus on.

Speaker 6 (47:40):
That's what's really really important.

Speaker 10 (47:42):
Everybody keep that in the back of your mind. Anyway, Hesher,
thanks again for holding down the fort and thanks to
all our guests. If we're able to connect them, the
team at ACR and everybody and have a great rest

(48:04):
of the show. And again, what an incredible, what incredible
group of people. What more can we say? I'm Patrick Henningson.
Thank you guys for supporting us, thank you for joining us.
We'll see you very soon, very soon. Peace out.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
All right, very good, Thank you Patrick for sending that in.
It's great to see you out there. I see you've
got helicopters circling up there as well. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, Basil,
do we have Frank Ramono coming up still in the
show today?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I don't think so. I can send him a reminder,
but I don't know that he's got a connection actually today.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Okay, all right, well, if he does drop in, just
let me know, chime in, let me know and we
can bring you forward. But Basil, I wanted to ask
you what is going on with the digital ID topic
right now in the UK?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Well kind of out of nowhere really because because it
wasn't in their manifesto, the Labor Party have decided that
they suddenly want to introduce a compulsory digital ID for
all UK citizens. Now, the timing of this is very
in things. Some people say it's just to distract from

(49:29):
Keir Starmer's deep unpopularity is the most unpopular prime minister
in British history. Well certainly since the polling began about
forty five years ago, minus sixty six percent his approval
rating and rumblings of discontent, well very loud noises of
discontent from Labor MPs because the polls say that Labor

(49:52):
will be all but wiped out at the next general
election and replaced by a Nigel Farage led reform administration.
Because there's no immediate prospect of a general election in Britain.
We won't have one for another four years unless something
dramatic happens, because with the vagaries of our electoral system,

(50:15):
Labor managed to get a thumping great majority on about
a third of those that voted, more like a fifth
or sixth of the total adult population. But anyway, the
Starmers are stunningly unpopular. But this is a desperately unpopular move.
I mean, there's no public demand for this. As I said,
it wasn't in the manifesto. The claim is that it

(50:38):
will be used to prevent illegal immigration. Well, the people
coming across the channel in boats throw their passports in
the English Channel. They make sure they divest themselves of
all identification before arriving in the UK. That's largely so
that if they are deemed to come from a peaceful
country like Albania or Turkey, where there's no real need

(51:02):
to claim asylum, and they are therefore classified as economic migrants,
then they can be processed and possibly deported much quicker
than if they just say they don't speak English and
claim to come from somewhere like Iraq or Afghanistan and
that they weren't persecuted or in mortal danger if they're repatriated.

(51:25):
So they would want to introduce these digital IDs, so
they say, and force everyone to produce the digital ID
on their smartphone in order to get a job. But
of course we all know that the digital ID will
be inextricably linked to a new central bank digital currency,

(51:47):
very likely to vaccine status, to incorporate health records, and
of course possibly political opinions, social media score, social credit
score and all the rest. Now, interestingly, this has produced
pushback from all sorts of you know, political the divergent

(52:09):
opinions reform and people like Richard Tice who or even
on the right of reform are opposed to it. So
the libertarians are of course, diametrically opposed to it. The
Liberal Democrats are opposed to it. I hope and believe
the Greens will be opposed to it. But some elements
of the Labor Party opposed to it, and certainly those

(52:29):
outside the Labor Party on the left, whether it's the
New Yor Party, Jeremy Corbyn and Alli Zara, Sultana Workers
Party and the rest, they're all opposed to it as well.
So who's in favor of it went well, the neo liberal,
neo fascists, the authoritarians, the Eurocrats, the technocrats, the people

(52:52):
in bed with Larry Ellison and Pallanteer and all the rest.
The real danger, as I've said many times, comes from
this authoritarian, fake center, and they're pushing it, and they're
pushing it hard. There's a petition been going around actually
since January opposing the introduction of digital ID. It's now

(53:17):
been signed by about two point three million people. That
figure was only half a million on Friday and continues
to climb. I would imagine it'll get to at least
three million, if not more, and mass civil disobediences planned.
There will be huge marches, I would imagine, very regularly.
I know a lot of people simply will not have this.

(53:41):
You know, this is what the conspiracy theorists said was
going to happen twenty five years ago. It's part of
a control matrix, you know. Larry Ellison has been very
open about the fact he wants to see everybody on
their best behavior. He of course is an ultra Zionist,
so that means no bad talk about Israel, or we

(54:01):
will turn off your ID and you won't be able
to buy a loaf of bread or get on a
train or anything at all. Well that's a very dystopian picture.
But digital ID opens the door to that possibility. That's
the whole point. And I hope it's still born. I

(54:22):
think it may well be. Keir Starmer's poll tax moments.
Back in the nineteen eighties, Margaret Thatcher tried to replace
property taxes with a head tax where you would just
be charged per head for local government services. That led
to riots on the streets of central London and had

(54:46):
to be abandoned and was one of the things that
hastened her demise. I hope and believe that the same
thing will happen to the digital ID. It will be
completely unenforceable. That's even if they get it through the
House of Commons and they try and force it on everybody,
I think, you know, large numbers of people will disagree.

(55:08):
Of course, you get the sort of if you've got
nothing to hide, then you've got nothing to be afraid of.
And I saw a tweet saying, well, that's like saying,
you know, why have curtains. You know, if you have
nothing to hide, then why bother buying blinds or curtains
for your windows? And perhaps all those who say you,
if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear,

(55:29):
should be banned from putting up curtains because obviously they're
very keen on total transparency and complete lack of privacy.
Last point on this. The word on the street is
that the firm who are likely to be guaranted the
contract for the development of this nightmarish scenario is run

(55:51):
by Yes, you guessed it, Tony Blair's son You and Blair.
Contract reported to be worth one hundred billion pounds. Blair
himself has close to four hundred million pounds worth of
shares in the said company, And of course it's inextricably
in bed with Larry Ellison's oracle. So the whole thing

(56:16):
is a nightmare. I hope it wakes a few people
on the right up to the depth of Zionist infiltration
in the so called cybersecurity area, because you know, Zionism
isn't simply about massacrering as many Palestinians as possible. It's

(56:38):
also about exerting control over the lives of us in
the West, not just to stop us from you know,
pro Palestine activism or seeking to undermine the Zionist denity,
but also control for its own sake. I think these

(56:58):
people get a very pleasure out of the fact that
they believe they can control other people's lives.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
And I mean, do you guys not have already many
forms of physical and digital ideas available in Europe and
in the UK. I mean it seems to me like, uh,
we've got friends in the in the chat saying you know, hey,
we've got plenty of IDs already. I mean, what it

(57:28):
almost seems like like this is a sort of a
technocrat shot over the bow, kind of like we saw
here in the United States with the attempted creation of
the Disinformation Board under under Biden. It's like that it
kind of feels like we're seeing, you know, just chipping
away at the idea of you know, privacy, chipping away

(57:51):
at the idea of anonymity, you know, the ability to
have anonymity in you know, what you do online and
all that. So it almost seems like it wouldn't go through.
It's it's almost not meant to go through in some
cases unless there's some sort of you know, catalyzing event

(58:12):
that goes along with it. Look, Ruckus has has has
your boy up there, Basil there, he is right there.
Clearly he likes this idea. Clearly he stands to benefit
from this idea and those that you know he colludes with.
But I don't know, it kind of seems like this
even Boris Johnson said, no way, I'm not going to

(58:33):
use that. So this seems like it's going to be
dead on a rival sort of.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Well, we hope, so, you know, we hope that the
spirit of the British people is sufficiently roused to utterly
reject this and indeed to use it as a stick
with which to beat this wretched starmer government and hopefully
bring it down. You know, we hope that Starma is
replaced within the next few months. Some people say that

(59:01):
he's an MI I five plant designed to destroy labor
and usher in a reform government. But I think the
digital ID is actually very much an m I five plan,
and Reforms say, at least at the moment, that they're
opposed to it, but whether or not they would abolish
it if it was subsequently introduced, I don't know. There's

(59:24):
nothing that the digital ID can do if you want
to sort of previe your identity to get a job.
That's the way they're trying to sell it initially, that
you can't do with a passport. You know, you have
to produce a birth certificate to get a passport, and
you know, if it's good enough to enter the United
States that fortress, you know that, my goodness, it should
be good enough to get you a job. So there's

(59:46):
absolutely no need for it at all. Of course, a
lot of older people don't have smartphones, that don't use smartphones,
that want smartphones, so it's unworkable on a practical level,
but that won't stop them trying to force it through. Nevertheless.
I mean, this has been the centerpiece of the control

(01:00:08):
grid agenda for many, many years. You know, people like
David I were talking about this kind of thing twenty
five thirty years ago. People are now saying the sort
of pro digital idea commentators, Oh, it's a conspiracy theory
to say that this is part of a control grid. Hello,

(01:00:31):
you know the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Writings. I mean, all you gotta do is read claud
Schwab's book or you know anything watch Peter dial Talk.
You know that they've straight up said that this is
part of the control grid. You know that this is
this has been the plan for a very long time exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
So I mean, I hope that we're going to take
it into touch. You know, I don't often go on
activist marches, but I would go on one to show
my antipathy towards compulsory digital idea. And that was the
interesting thing about the way that ministers announced it last week.

(01:01:12):
You know, there was no sort of consultation period or
you know, we'll introduce it voluntarily to begin with, no
stepping stones approaches like we're going to introduce mandatory digital
ID for every adult in Britain and you're going to
put up with it, or we're going to severely restrict

(01:01:33):
your ability to operate in the modern world. That was
the threat, and it fundamentally alters the relationship between the
individual and the state. That's the whole point. You know,
you cease to be a completely sort of well, some
people would argue that even now you're not the sovereign individual,
but you know, it represents a huge shift in terms

(01:01:58):
of not just us privacy, but accountability, identity ownership in
favor of a bureaucracy. And then, of course there's also
the incompetency and potential for hacking. You know, all sorts
of databases with personal information held by commercial organizations are

(01:02:22):
hacked on a regular basis. People are blackmailed about their
personal information, it's stolen by people wanting to use it
for their own financial gain. So we're all very familiar
with this any number of examples. So what makes people
think that a largely incompetent home office would be able

(01:02:42):
to protect anybody's data any better than anyone else. But
I don't personally don't want to rely on that argument.
To me, that's sort of largely irrelevant. It's the you know,
philosophical arguments. If you like that, I really need to
be able to win this, win this whole case on
their own.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Yeah, the most we've I would wager. I know, I
know I can speak for Rucas because he just told
me the other day he's had his data breached and
got notified recently, uh for something that wasn't even recent.
It was like he just found out it was breached
a long time ago. And the most egregious PII breach
I've ever had personally identifiable information was done by the

(01:03:28):
DA in California. The main state district attorney in California
unleashed a crazy database to Davis University, which had it
front facing, and it was to do with anyone who
had purchased a firearm, anyone who had applied for a
concealed carry license. They gave Davis University for research purposes,

(01:03:54):
access to all that information which they shouldn't have and
be storing in the first place. The state shouldn't even
have it and be storing it in the first place.
It's quite frankly illegal by many people's analysis. But yeah,
they leaked your, you know, everybody's driver's license numbers, their names,
their ages, their you know, drone coordinates, their their street address.

(01:04:18):
All that stuff was just available on the open Internet
for a long time, for like really long time before
it was discovered and taken down. But you know, same
with government. You know, I've I've been in government databases
in my old job and had those databases leaked. So
you know this this whole idea of oh, we're going
to protect your data, but guess what, all your personally

(01:04:40):
identifiable information which you know could be used to steal
your identity, crack into your accounts, it's all going to be,
you know, maybe not in one place. It might be
not technically or correct to say it's all in one place,
but when it's all connected to that primary key in
a series of databases, it may as well all be
in one place as far as the hackers concerned. Ruckus,

(01:05:03):
what's your take on this man? We've talked a lot
over the years about. I think Dustin Stockton elucidated it
real well when we met with him last time. The
three you know, legs of the stool of technocracy, universal
basic income, digital IDs, and central banking digital currencies. And
once those are in place, we all know what happens next.

(01:05:25):
I hope we all know what happens next, because that's
when you start looking into you know, science fiction dystopia
movies to try to see what the path Forward looks like.

Speaker 8 (01:05:35):
It's like two of my longest series ever on the
Daily Ruckus combined into one. Back in the day during
the medical emergency period or the post period, the long
two weeks after that when we had the wonderful things arrive.
There was this same argument of course about digital IDs

(01:05:57):
in the context of vaccine passports, and I did an
entire series my old show before I switched to video.
In fact, I think that was the last series I
was working on before I took my first sabbatical, which
is funnily enough. Anyways, there was a lot of back
and forth going on in the UK in particular about

(01:06:19):
that subject. It was a hot button issue and a
lot of the same arguments and things that Basil just
mentioned today were being discussed back then. So it's almost
as if people didn't learn their lesson, Like nothing has changed.
It's just a brand new excuse to usher in the
exact same quote unquote solution from the same types of people.
But is it coming from the same types of people?

(01:06:42):
My question for you, Basil is, are people currently who
are four or against this new version of a digital
vaccine the same type of people? What was their stance
on the digital vaccine when it was presented to them
during the pandemic. Is this a political thing? Are people split?
Like here in America it would be like a left

(01:07:03):
right thing because I don't understand how the difference between
the parties there about. I imagine it's very similar.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Yeah, you mean digital ID based on or like whether
like we had ID passports or digital passports based on
vaccination status back then.

Speaker 8 (01:07:17):
Right versus? What what the the current reasonings are? And
And I guess there's a number of different reasons that
they're trying to push it forward, Like the immigration I
think is the biggest one worldwide. That's why I think
a lot of countries will be pushing this stuff for it.
But y'all, the kids online safety thing too is a
big deal. But whatever their reason is is I get
the impression I don't. I don't want to, That's why

(01:07:38):
I'm asking it. But it seems like certain people who
would be like, yeah, you can't do that because that's
against the freedom where people who were against the jibby
jabs but and stuff like that. But now if it's like, well,
you know, I don't I don't want, you know, my
kids to be harmed online or I don't want to
deal with these crazy, lunatic terrorists immigrants. I just I
have a feeling that their their views have shifted in

(01:07:59):
a way, but correctly from.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Mom The so called freedom movement that came out of
opposition to lockdowns and mandatory or near mandatory injections is
by and large, from what I can tell, diametrically opposed
to the introduction of digital ID. But I would say

(01:08:24):
the digital ID coalition coalition is bigger than the Freedom Coalition,
which was very largely mischaracterized as being alt right or
conspiracy theorists, etc. Even though of course it incorporated many
other people from all sectors of society. So this is

(01:08:45):
a broader based coalition against the mandatory digital IDs. It
includes libertarian conservatives who would have been swept along by
the hysteria surrounding and thought that they were doing their
patriotic duty by having an injection. But they don't regard

(01:09:08):
it as their patriotic duty to have a digital ID
because there isn't the same societal requirement for it, and
the same applies to many centrists and many on the
left as well. Of course. Strangely, well, strangely or whatever,
but very largely they're so called left of center in

(01:09:32):
British politics, with a few notable exceptions. You know, we're
all in favor of the injections. I think they're not
the case so much with digital ID at all. So
you know, that's why I'm optimistic that this can be defeated,
because there isn't really other than this sort of as

(01:09:54):
I say, the sort of vonderlyon you know, Larry Ellison, technocrat, authoritarian, neoliberal,
neo con actual fascist fake centrists. I think you know
who I'm talking about there. Other than them and their
amplifiers in the corporate media, nobody else in Britain is

(01:10:19):
really interested in this. The dreadful Zionist leader of the
Conservative Party, Kemmy Badenock, hasn't committed one way or another.
Former leader of the Conservative Party William Hague has come
out in favor, but many other noteworthy Conservatives have come

(01:10:39):
out against. One of the reform MPs has circulated a
letter which interestingly I saw was signed by one of
the independent group of MPs who were forming you know,
one of the Muslims who won on an anti genocide
ticket last year. He's also so the letter against digital

(01:11:01):
ID now he and Richard Tice for be polls apart
on just about everything else, but they're both signed up
for this, so, uh, you know, there's there's no sort
of there's no real political push for this, even in
the House of Commons, let alone in wider society. It's

(01:11:24):
exclusively being pushed by you know, the elite, it supporters,
its mouthpieces in the media, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
That's all, yeah, that's that's kind of what I was
getting at with the comment I made about a catalyzing event.
It's like with with COVID, we had the fear campaign,
we had the global you know, case demic ticker, all
that thing and all the messaging like that was absolutely

(01:11:56):
a catalyzing event. Now you know, whether it was legit
or not, your mileage may vary. But we don't have
that yet when it comes to digital IDs, And that's
kind of the scary part. When we talk about digital IDs,
it's like, well, what kind of event could drive people
into an identity politic or a nationalist worldview sort of

(01:12:22):
decision that would make them say, yeah, I need that,
I want that. And I think a lot of people
look to like cyber polygon sort of events for that
sort of thing, right ruckus.

Speaker 8 (01:12:34):
Or I was going to suggest, because just like we
witnessed during the pandemic, there was a certain operation warp
speed that progressed something along at a frighteningly fast pace,
and we saw them do something very similar, move something
incredibly fast that they probably should not have this time,

(01:12:54):
Project Stargate. I believe the catalyzing event is going to
involve the labor markets that has been completely absolutely devastrated
and changed the whole economy and everything is flipping upside
down thanks to AI and robotics. And I think that
that is the elephant in the room that a lot
of folks just don't want to admit. We see them

(01:13:17):
fudging some numbers on the books when it comes to
labor things. Inside the government, the administration here in America
is trying to make it seem like everything is Oki doki. Meanwhile, companies,
Big Fortune, five hundred companies and AI people and chief
technology officers and smart folks have been running around making
the round saying, oh, by the way, AI is going

(01:13:39):
to replace everybody and we're in for a world of hurt.
The world is changing, nothing is going to stay the same,
and it's like it's such a huge, profound change of
everything that you'd think that everybody would be talking about this,
but they're not. We're distracted by events and things, so
I believe, yeah, we've got to worry about the cyber polygon,
but from what I've seen hesher, there's a lot of
contingency things put in place. So yes, maybe we lose

(01:14:02):
access to our banking but hey, how convenient would it
be that they rush in with their Universal Basic Digitals,
Central Bank Digital Currency version after we emerge from that
chaos and then yeah, if you want to access that,
I'm afraid you need the digital ID. But again, that's
going to be a tough sell. We can still fight
back and say, well, you know that's you can't do that,
that's not fair. But what's the catalyzing event is like,

(01:14:23):
you know, well what if we just instead everything sucks
and we're not going to force you to do this.
But similar to how they did it with the jibbyjab
thing is, hey, if you want access, if you want
if you want to go to the concert, if you
want to go out to dinner, if you want to
get on a plane and go to vacation, if you

(01:14:44):
want to have a job and enter the workforce, then yes,
you must have this this digital ID. And I guess
technically they could do that, right, I mean, at the
end of the day, wouldn't it be the company that's
asked like, if you want to work here, we need
to see your ID.

Speaker 11 (01:15:01):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:15:01):
You know they did this kind of ship during the pandemic,
So I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and hey you want that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
One of the very few politicians in Britain to take
a principal stance over COVID was Andrew Bridgen, who lost
his seat last year. He says, today we are being
played across the board. And of course, if Starmer gets
the war he wants with Russia, that mandatory digital idea
will be enforced. Civil contingencies will be triggered, elections will

(01:15:32):
be canceled, and the Blair family and many others will
get their money. Well, it won't do them much good
if we're in World War three, because we'll all be annihilated.
But nevertheless, the possibility of you know, heightened tensions with Russia,
some kind of civil emergency real or imagined, could be

(01:15:53):
the pretext for it, you know, perhaps more terrorist attacks,
perhaps another so called pandemic. You know, you know, that
would push public opinion in the required direction, because it
definitely needs a nudge at the moment, because public opinion
is not with this at all. I mean, the petition

(01:16:13):
opposing it is growing exponentially. It wouldn't surprise me if
it did it up, but sort of somewhere north of
three million, which you may say, well, I have sixty
million people. That's not very many, but for an online petition,
that's actually an enormous number.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Yeah. Yeah, that's a significant sample space right there, much
more significant than you get in most Let's let me
you know, the one of the segments of this show
that is important to us is the smartest people in
the room, which is quite often you out there watching
and listening. A couple comments I wanted to highlight here,

(01:16:53):
Chief Wiggam, what's up? Says they want to enslave people
and countries no wonder they lend fake money in Yeah,
and just imagine where that goes under this new paradigm.
I mean, we basically would have It's not like we
have much transparency now about all the black bag money
and political money and all that stuff being shuffled around.

(01:17:14):
But just imagine it. You know, that situation under this
new paradigm of you know, central banking, digital currency, digital IDs,
and the thing with the digital IDs meshing with the
central banking digital currency and the UBI is that's when
once those are all in place and required somehow, probably

(01:17:37):
after a catalyzing event, we've got several to choose from
all of a sudden, you've got social credit ruling your
your access to those things. So if you get deemed
a mean speaker, if you get deemed someone that you
know they don't is not welcome in the grocery store,

(01:17:57):
in the pharmacy, whatever, all that stuff can just be
turned off with the flick of a switch. So gone
will be the days of getting you know, pulled into
the security room at the international airport thing. You won't
even be able to get your ticket. You won't even
be able to have a passport, you know. And we've
got this whole real ID floating around here in the
United States right now. Everybody's moving to real ID, and

(01:18:22):
you know a lot of people question that, like what
does real ID actually turn into? Is is it sort
of a front for you know, front loading this sort
of societal change. I don't know, but Chief Wiggam makes
a good point there about enslaving people in countries, because
once you're stuck in a a in a system that

(01:18:42):
gives you a social credit rating that then you know
allows or disallows you to live at a certain level
of comfort and freedom. We're off on a different adventure.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Yeah, very interesting. There's protests taking place outside the Labor
Party conference in Liverpool. Again, Starmer. He's a uniquely unpopular figure,
I mean all around the country, particularly with those on
the so called far right, as well as those on
the left of the Labor But I was saying particularly
those outside the left of the Labor Party. You know,

(01:19:16):
the George Galloways are a Sultana Jeremy Corbyn factions, very
unpopular with them. I mean, he's, as I say, minus
sixty six. But he's particularly hated in a way I
don't remember since probably I mean Blair was hated to
Don't get me wrong, We're all hated one way or another,
but he's hated more than anybody I can remember since

(01:19:38):
Margaret Thatcher was hated for you know, her role in
crushing the Minus strike and decimating British industry in the
early nineteen eighties. He's hated by rural communities for his
introducing this inheritance tax on farms that means a lot

(01:20:01):
of family farms will have to be sold when the
current generation dies. He's particularly hated amongst this sort of
nascent patriotic flag wearing movement, and interestingly enough, they are.
They've been carrying banners today outside the Labor Party conference

(01:20:24):
say No to Digital ID alongside the cross of Saint George,
the red cross on the white background, which has been
taken to have been interpreted as a far right symbol. Now,
Starmer has been very keen to portray those people as

(01:20:45):
fascists and that this is one of the central messages
of his conference speech, that he's in a battle for
the soul of Britain and he wants to unify people
to not be devised. They are fascists and they stand ups,
but he's the one introducing the fascist policies. So that's

(01:21:08):
you know, I've been sort of expecting this kind of
you know, ironic dichotomy, this kind of paradox for some
time really, and counter events really bring it into very
sharp focus.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Now here's another comment I wanted to
throw up here. Thank you Juliana. Juliana says, has anyone
mentioned the un Packed for the Future that was agreed
upon last week by one hundred and ninety three nations?
It includes digital ID how about that? So that's pretty interesting.

(01:21:51):
I have not read up on that. I saw some
posts about it happening, but I haven't looked at the
details there. Thank you, Juliana. Isn't that interesting? Timing Ruckus?

Speaker 8 (01:22:02):
Interesting or obvious?

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Ominous?

Speaker 8 (01:22:06):
Perhaps omnious? Come on, I would think by now that
the viewers of this show understand that the United Nations
has plans and agendas and years and dates associated with them,
and that, yes, the world leaders do get together and
do basically practically for all intents and purposes, secretly agree
to these different types of things. Sometimes they do these

(01:22:27):
types of things out in the open. Everybody can find
it online, hear the speeches, or read it on you know,
learn about it. But unless they project it to the
entire world and blast it on your social media feed
and repeat it over and over again for twenty four hours,
nobody knows and you know, so yes, they can just
then go to their own countries implement this stuff and

(01:22:47):
act as if they came up with this all by
them little lonesomes like, Oh, he's such a smart dude.
I would have never thought of doing that. That's great.
Oh shoot, look at that this guy over here in
this country's doing the exact same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
Weird.

Speaker 8 (01:22:59):
It's just coincidence that they just met like weeks prior
and agreed to do these exact same things together at
the same time by putting their names and pen to paper.
Just coincidence, though, I'm sure it's a conspiracy theory or something.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
M yeah, right, well, it's sure. It certainly is a
a good barometer, you know, for for those globalist oriented
nations that want to take on you know, un deals
like this, uh, you know, to to say, oh, we're
going to roll it out, We're going to propose it.
You know, that's a that's a great way to kind
of test the public and see, you know, how it's

(01:23:34):
going to be responded to.

Speaker 8 (01:23:37):
I ultimately, had none of these these government organizations bodies
would would hold I don't think legally there is grounds
because countries have their their constitutions and whatnot. So I
mean I think that there's there's a long road ahead
for them, unless again, a major catalyzing event and they
have certain systems put in place that makes it easier

(01:23:59):
for them to maintain hold of their control, which they
appear to be losing rapidly. So it's almost as if
they need to accelerate and amplify the agendas. Oh yeah,
that's probably what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:24:11):
It's always it's never something that we expect. It's never
something we can sit here and think about in game
theory out right, even if we asked AI or used
a magic eight ball, or spoke to somebody who crossed
over to the other side using a psychic and a
Ouiji board or whatever. Elon Musk is usually right when
he says that it's usually whatever the most entertaining outcome is.

(01:24:32):
So I believe maybe the catalyzing event that's going to
bring the entire world together on this technocratic grid surveillance
with the digital IDs and all that fun stuff, the
bells and the whistles. Aliens, it's got to be aliens.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
There's always that card. There's always that card, I.

Speaker 8 (01:24:48):
Mean from outer space, not from another country, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Yeah, well we got both those cards. Actually we could
see both of those ones whipped out.

Speaker 8 (01:24:56):
Your green card would have a different meaning right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Green card Neil in the discord chats is over two
point three million have signed the parliamentary petition against digital ID,
but they will ignore it. Yeah, that's that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
I mean there has to be a debate on it
in parliament now because the threshold, believe it or not
is one hundred thousand signatures, you know, so you know
that'll not Is there going to be a free vote?
That means MP's allowed to vote according to their conscience.
They're an awful lot of starmeroid robots in his government

(01:25:36):
who voted to burn Palestine Action for example. You know, so,
I mean I think even in a free voter wouldn't
necessarily be defeated because some of these MPs just you know,
think about their own careers if they vote in favorite
Curry's favor with the leadership. Although on the other hand,
at the moment Starma is so unpopular that he was

(01:25:58):
apparently having difficulty filling junior ministerial positions because people don't
want to be part of his wretched government. So because
you know, that means they're more likely to lose their
seat at the next election if they can claim, oh well, yes,
I'm a labor MP, but you know I didn't like
Ki Starmroll what he was doing. Then they might hang

(01:26:18):
on to their seat. So, you know, remains to be seen.
But the big pushback has to come from the public
and if to attempt to introduce it in the form
of non compliance.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
One hundred percent. Yeah, that that's exactly the thing that
non compliance. Look here here speaking of Jack Ky says,
now you know what the COVID nonsense and fascism was
all about. I tried to warn people not to comply
with any of the bs or here we'd be and
people wanted me in a camp. Yeah, can relate to that,

(01:26:53):
can totally relate to that. We had the same experience
over here and we seem to have experienced shadows, banning
and other effects from it, as well as people saying
horrible things about us like that like you should be
in a camp. So shouts out to everybody that I.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Did the COVID ferango move, the Overton windows such that.
You know, as Raukas said, they tried to bring in
a track and trace system in the UK, on which
apparently thirty four billion pounds was spent. Nobody's got any
idea where all that money went. That's another story. But

(01:27:35):
it introduced into public discourse, into the zeitgeist, the concept
of QR codes to gain access. Since then, of course,
they've become commonplace as theater and concert tickets, so people
are much more used to being asked to produce a
QR code and by the so called stepping stones approach. Next,

(01:27:57):
you have a QR code in order to identify who
you are in you know, one hundred and one different scenarios.
But the digital idea cannot be divorced from the CBDC,
from the Central Bank digital currency. That's the key thing.
And that means if you're a naughty boy, no money
for you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Right, here's a great example. I only emerge after dark.
Thank you. PayPal has threatened to find people for anti semitism.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Meaning pro Palestine, meaning being anti Zionist.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
Of course, yeah yeah, anti war, anti genocide, so many
different words you use other than antiseptor.

Speaker 8 (01:28:38):
That's right, don't be anti fascist. Apparently that's bad.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Now, Oh that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
I mean, that's bizarre, isn't it. That attempt to sort
of ban a non existent organization with full force, I
think is the term Trump used, you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
Or banned an organization that's full of Feds.

Speaker 8 (01:28:58):
Yeah, someone, not an organization. You need to stop saying that,
because that's part of the biggest lie about this whole
thing that he's doing. There. It's not a thing, it's
not a it's not a group. It doesn't have a headquarters,
it doesn't have a leader. Like what are you doing,
like people are crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
Or maybe reveal if there is a headquarters, and if
maybe it's at Langley or in you know, somewhere else.

Speaker 8 (01:29:22):
There's always that maybe they were just admitting what we
maybe some people suspected all along. It does have a headquarters.
That address looks familiar.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. This whole concept of sending the
military to Portland or something like that. You know this
this is And then I noticed that General Flynn was
on Info Wars yesterday or day before completely he and
Alex just pushing the civil war topic the whole like

(01:29:58):
deep state versus you know, the Trump administration, like you know,
as if anybody's buying that narrative anymore, but just openly
talking about civil war and you know, just some of
the other strange things we covered on Boiler Room on
Thursday night, like like Trump's executive order to bring capital

(01:30:19):
punishment or you know, death penalty to Washington, d C.
And you know, people cheering for it, just like, oh great, cool.
You know what's punishable by death treason. So there's like
all these que people running around saying that, you know,
that's why call me. He's being arrested, and you know,
clappers next and so and so's next.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Even Obama, you know, yeah, right, I know, you know
he was at the forefront of the Russia Gate hoas.
I mean, that was all a hoax. Obviously, we all
know that. Yeah, And you know, I think it's fair
enough that the people who actively subverted democracy in that
way should be brought to should they not? I mean,

(01:31:01):
do you not agree, Guys.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
On both sides it would it would be great stride
to pick people on both sides of the aisle that
have been engaged in that for not just for that election,
but for multiple elections. You know, that would talk about
a chilling effect where a chilling effect deserves to be Yeah.
I just think a lot of people are so blackpilled
at this point that they don't you know, it's hard

(01:31:25):
to buy, it's a hard narrative to buy at this point.
Especially with so many other narratives just falling apart around
everybody right now. I mean, my goodness, like people just
don't believe anything that the government and the mass media
say anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
No, unrightly so. But that's of course what bonderleyan was
talking about. I don't know if you saw that. She
made a speech to the European Parliament last week, decry
and the Guardian had been on about it again today.
They want to try and lumpin any kind of dissent

(01:32:01):
and you know, disagreement with corporate media narratives as a
conspiracy theorist, and I've no doubt opposition to digital ID
will be similarly misrepresented as wrong think in some way.

Speaker 6 (01:32:19):
I know, just.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
A big Guardian peace about that today. And but as
I said, Vonderline was on about it last week in
the European Parliament. You know, distrust of government and institutions
is basically what will land you in trouble. If you
think the government is lying, then you are, you know,
not just a dissident, but you're dangerous. You're danger to others,

(01:32:42):
and therefore you must be silenced.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
Yeah, at a time when faith and institutions is at
an all time low. To me, that is one of
just the most sickest ironies of this whole thing. It's
like people's trust and faith in institutions at this point
have probably never been lower. And uh, that just means

(01:33:08):
that this is going to be a melee when it
comes right down to it.

Speaker 8 (01:33:13):
Well, we've been discussing this hasher that the solution is
some some other outside third party, i e. They want
to switch everybody to the AI government model, right, so,
I mean and and and an AI media model, which
is exactly what we're I mean, and even that what
Vonderlin said, I mean, what's the solution to all of
these problems? Well, we just hand everything over to A. Well, hey,

(01:33:37):
this this is a I guess the AI would have
the impression of not choosing a side. It would be like, well,
I'm actually neutral, but are you really? Because you were
you were trained on data coming from a society that
is certainly split in many million different directions. It's it's
a false it's a false paradigm narrative. It's not it's

(01:33:59):
not how is a I mean like we watched the
Star Trek stuff, right, and you see like they just
say computer and they just asked for a question and
they get an answer there's no like, well, this guy
says it's that, and this guy says it's that, and
then now you need to put the two things together
and figure it out for yourself and do critical thinking.
Instead you're just giving the answer. You accept that as

(01:34:20):
the truth. And now the state, the government has become
your ultimate source of truth. And that's what they're moving
us towards. And that's not freedom, that is anything. But
I don't know. I mean, obviously that's technocracy. It's all
those things. It's everything rolled into one. And I was
watching this clip. I think it was when I was
on Weaponized News shout out to Sam Cheney and Weaponized News.

(01:34:43):
Just on Friday. He played a clip of this like
tech guy at some speech or whatever, and he was
talking about or he was the corporate guy who owns
something as a CEO. He was saying, how like in
the very near future, it's going to be considered weird
to think. And what he was talking about is that, Yeah, no,
this is And I was like, oh my god, this

(01:35:04):
is crazy. But he's right because we've offloaded so much
of our thinking process to the AI, to the chatbots,
what the students are doing right now in a very
near future. It's like I could be sitting in a
room with somebody and I could have like a look
on my face and somebody might ask me, what are
you doing? And I might say, well, I was just thinking.
It'd be like, whoa, what do you do? Thinking? You weirdo?

(01:35:25):
What was that like? People don't We are entering a
society where people literally don't think for themselves, And what
the hell does that look like? I don't want to know,
but I bet you anything. Tony Blair wants to know.
Peter Thiel wants to know. Obama wants to know. Trump
wants to know, Keir Starmer wants to know. They all
want to know. Net and Yahu definitely wants to know too.
You know what I'm saying. So I think again, this

(01:35:47):
is the bigger elephant in the room, the technocracy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
They seem like they do know something we don't know. Otherwise,
why would so much energy, literal energy be going into it.
There's the literal energy, there's the financial energy, there's the
software energy, there's the human energy, the machine power. There's
a lot of ground swell, political, financial, technological going into

(01:36:13):
what we're seeing right now, and they've been discussing it
as one of their talking points at Davos and at
Builderberg in CFR. It's been discussed for many years now,
many years, it's been a top talking point, and it
always seems to have those Chathamhouse rules wrapped around it,
where you know, we're just talking here, we're just talking.

(01:36:33):
You know, we talked about some stuff I don't remember.
I can't say who brought it to the floor, you know,
that whole you know, elusive Chathamhouse rule thing going on
almost behind it. I've got a headline here I want
to show you guys, and I also have a couple

(01:36:54):
video clips from doctor Frank Romano, who is unable to
join us today but has submitted a couple of video
clips that I want to share with you guys. But
before I switch gears here, anything further you want to
say about the digital IDs and and all this.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
No, I think we pretty much covered it. You know,
big protests outside the Labor Putty conference about it in England,
and that's just the start. So if they think they're
going to get this through in the UK easily, they've
got another thing coming.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
Yeah, yeah, not this time. Around, guys, it doesn't sound
like it. This is a headline that's gonna cause a reaction.
I'm sure Trump back's plan to make x UK PM
Tony Blair interim administrator of GAZA. I'm just going to
leave that at the headline level there for you. But Basil,
what's your immediate take on that?

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
Well, I mean, it's absolutely nightmarish, isn't it. I mean
he was the so called special end boy to the
Middle East, part of a sort of tripartide US UK,
European Union nonexistent peace effort, but basically very close to
Nettan Yahoo. That's why he's being touted. He's that's why

(01:38:18):
he is allowed to become or being why he's being
put forward. He's somebody that Trump and Nettinya who can
rely on to do their bidding while at the same
time perhaps presenting some kind of you know, neutral front.
Very close to Larry Ellison, who's been funding the spookerly

(01:38:41):
named Tony Blair Institute for Global Change. My goal, that's
the change is holocaust in Blair's eyes, holocaust and a
digital prison. That's Tony Blair's idea of change. This is
a total nightmare in city. Hope it doesn't come to pass,

(01:39:01):
but you know who knows where we are at the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
It should be such a tough cell. That should be
such a tough sell, and it's an impossible cell to
the kind of people that watch this show and the
type of guests we have, it's it's just like, no,
it's it's a non starter. No, thank you, we're not
interested in seeing that. That is absolutely not what anyone

(01:39:26):
wants to see.

Speaker 8 (01:39:27):
With all of these stories are combining into one again.
What is happening here? Larry Ellison, he was one of
the main recipients of the project Stargate, the warp speeding forward,
the AI and technology stuff. Him and Tony Blair now
getting all hooked up and involved with the Israel issue. Everybody,
so everyone close to Trump are are not only technocrats,

(01:39:48):
they're also like raving Zionists. There's like, what is going on?
So there's something about this prime real estate area behind
me here that they want badly that is also part
of this exact same agenda that we've been discussing. And
I can't see the forest for the trees quite yet,
I suppose, but we will have to wait and see.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
Yeah, great, comment there by grape Obama talked about change
a lot too, remember that one we Americans didn't get
much change, just a change in narrative. And then chatter
X follows up and says, by the way, Obama's political
mentor was Blair good point? Good point.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Meanwhile, I don't know if you know, it's very violent
weekend on your side of the pond. Church in Michigan
is on fire after several people were shot. It's a
Mormon church and the shooter is down. And then there've
also been shootings at a bar in North Carolina, I think,
and at a casino in Texas. So it's sort of

(01:40:57):
all indicative of the I mean, I don't know, you tell,
sort of powder cake atmosphere in the United States, would
that be right?

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Uh, certainly feels that way when you look into the
lens of the media and the social media feeds. We
also had a ice station attacked up here in Dallas
this week, a number like too many more violent incidents
and stuff like that. Then I was able to track

(01:41:23):
this week, and this is all on top of you know,
your usual I haven't looked this weekend, but you know,
forty plus people shot in Chicago you know that just
goes on every weekend anyways. But yeah, it's it's tensions
are high. I think for for a lot of people,
I find it intriguing that it was a Mormon church

(01:41:46):
that that had this incident, especially the events of three
weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
Yes, yes, very interesting. Yeah, I mean why why a
Mormon church?

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:41:58):
Well we were the only thing to see. That's something
that also has not changed, hasher? Right? Are these these events,
these bang bang things all the time? But what has
changed is the way that it's it's spun for the
political agenda purposes and by the media. Usually like instantly
in the aftermath, we get the usual suspects rolling out
with the usual talking points to ban the usual thing,

(01:42:20):
the object itself, which is a serious infringement on our
rights here in America. Everyone knows that it's the Second Amendment,
et cetera. But this time around, now we're all focused
on any types of these events. If it's the bang bang,
if it's gain crime, if it's shoplifting, if it's illegal
immigrants running around in the streets with their motorcycle gangs
or whatever, spinning doughnut tires or what like, like it's

(01:42:43):
all it is crime. And now the answer is not
to take away our guns. We're going to send We're
going to send armed troops to patrol the streets alongside
like you know, m wraps and tanks and drones and
you know, stuff like that. So that's that's a little different, right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Yeah, No, absolutely. I mean I saw footage from Portland
which Trump described as a hell. You know, they made
a hell up there, and as a guy playing some
smooth jazz on a clarinet to the farmer's market and
very peaceful, affluent looking streets and things, and you know,

(01:43:25):
I mean it just you know, gives the lie to
the complete nonsense. I'm not saying there aren't parts of
urban America that are in serious decline and decay, but
I think he might have picked on the wrong place.
You know, you've seen these armored vehicles rolling down the streets,
empty streets, very often to what purpose. I mean, it's

(01:43:46):
all been you know, exaggerated out of all reasonably sensible proportions.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
Isn't it. Oh yeah, yeah, it really feels that way.
And it's not like it's it's something As far as
I can tell, it's not like it's something that the
local sheriff's departments couldn't handle this entire IFA thing, and
you know activists that have you know, gone a little

(01:44:13):
too far that that kind of stuff, Like there's no
reason why the military should be being rolled out right now.
In fact, many would argue it's illegal and it breaks
posse common tatis rules, it's unconstitutional. Uh, yet we're gonna
do it anyway, because you know, during the Biden administration,
the media got people on the right so whipped up

(01:44:36):
about these topics that you know, same with immigration. You know,
that's like they really, you know, this is a problem
reaction solution thing. It's very simple, problem reaction solutions sort
of paradigm that's being fostered here. And apparently the solution
is to break posse comment tatis, to roll military into
the streets, to threaten other governors with you know, military

(01:44:59):
presence in their city and stuff like that. And it's like,
you know, where where were the GOP politicians while these
things were allowed to get so bad? You know, where
where was the representation of the people that voted, even
the Democrats in you know, is this what they really wanted?
You know, maybe if they're in PC and the media

(01:45:20):
installed some sort of identity politic in them. It's what
they wanted. But look at the result. It's not good.

Speaker 8 (01:45:27):
Do you think it's it's a free continuation like they
want that. This is more like creating a new problem.
They want us to react this way, get all pissed off,
demand that they put off that, get all these cops
off the streets, all the troops off the streets, and
then of course replaced by you know who the technocracy drums.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Yeah, why not? I mean, just oscillate back and forth
between right and left as far as the administration goes,
and do things that are so egregious each time that
it makes the you know, the political base more radical
and more you know, further away from wanting constitutional solutions

(01:46:08):
and closer to wanting technocratic solutions. Absolutely, man, you can
just see it. You can see the heat turning up
on that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
Yeah, I mean, it does seem that, you know, political
discourse in the United States has become more vitriolic than
ever before. You know that, you know, I mean, I
remember the two thousand elections, for example, gor Vy Bush.
That appeared to be, you know, the country split down
the middle. But I don't think ideologically it was anything

(01:46:38):
like as split as it is now. Am I wrong?

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
No, you're not wrong, You're not wrong. The whole politicizing
of everything, Yes, that has really put us in a
bad situation. You know, like we called boiler room a
week or two ago. You know, they got us right
where they want on us at each other's throats, and
it's all we're at each other's throats over identity politics worldview.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
That was a sort of an injection of sort of
automatic hostility between groups, wasn't it. It was sort of like, right, okay,
you're now one of us. That means you have to
hate them, and we're what you know, we hate you
and all the rest of it. Quite apart from other
political concerns, identity politics introduced a whole new strata to

(01:47:31):
political discourse which simply didn't exist before, and which does
very little other than set people against each other on
the basis of real or assumed identity.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, All right, let me let me play
these I got some clips from Frank Romano here. Doctor
Frank Romano was going to join us today but unable to.
So we're gonna go ahead and play those battle. I
know you've got to get out of here around the
top of the hour. I feel free to slip out
if you need to, but if you want to hang
out and watch.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
Well, I just want to remind people that I'm on
air again tomorrow at one pm UK time atam easton.
If you're up for a sending order, find us at
Unprecedented TV on x or Unprecedented TV on YouTube. And
I've got some great guests this week, Frank Romano amongst them,

(01:48:22):
and some of the leading campaigners against digital id SO
promises to be a good week Monday to Thursday, sending
order one pm on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
All right, excellent, Thank you for that, and thanks for
being here with us, Basil, if you do have to
leave hearing this, very much, appreciate you hanging with us today.
Here we go. This is doctor Frank Romano from aboard
the flotilla.

Speaker 6 (01:48:49):
Yes, I'm on the.

Speaker 12 (01:48:51):
Specter this morning and last night five votes of the
Global Stio were attacked. You can see they were attacked
by drones. The first attack on our boat, the Specter,
took place near the kitchen late last night.

Speaker 6 (01:49:20):
Right there, and a large explosion.

Speaker 12 (01:49:23):
Of place first, and then we heard large crashes on
our upper deck that turned out to be balls of gas,
and it was determined by an expert that the gas

(01:49:45):
was hydrogen sulfide that was dropped on.

Speaker 6 (01:49:47):
A deck last night, the upper deck up there. We'll
maybe be able to go up there.

Speaker 12 (01:49:54):
Sulfuric acid can cause itchinginging in the skin and the.

Speaker 6 (01:50:01):
Eyes of nose.

Speaker 12 (01:50:04):
Low doses can cause like coughing, dizziness, nausea and vomiting.
But high doses of this gas it was dropped on
our boat, our boat, the Specter last night. Again we're
part of the Global some Mud flotilla. The high doses
of this gas can cause respiratory distress, fluid on the lungs,

(01:50:24):
loss of consciousness, and cardiac arrest.

Speaker 6 (01:50:26):
Could actually kill a person.

Speaker 12 (01:50:29):
So this is very dangerous and fortunately members of the
crew were able to wrap them up and blankets and
throw them off off the boat.

Speaker 6 (01:50:39):
There were several of those hard gas.

Speaker 13 (01:50:42):
Bombs sent to us during the night, and so we
mobilized inside, put on our life preservers and our gas masks,
and we're doing fine today.

Speaker 6 (01:50:55):
See we're over people are still asleep.

Speaker 12 (01:50:58):
It's almost eleven in the morning. We're trying to overcome
lack of sleep last night. But we're doing well, and
you can see we are with the other boats.

Speaker 6 (01:51:11):
Of a flotilla.

Speaker 14 (01:51:15):
Over fifty one votes, two gaza together. We should arrive
six or seven guys.

Speaker 6 (01:51:27):
See they're all out.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
We're all together.

Speaker 6 (01:51:31):
Great sight.

Speaker 12 (01:51:40):
There's a boat following us yelling at us.

Speaker 6 (01:51:46):
So easy.

Speaker 12 (01:51:47):
You can see our dinnering Digi is in fact anyway.

Speaker 6 (01:51:52):
Thank you for doing this. We'll have updates later.

Speaker 12 (01:51:56):
But we're up up, you know, up, you know, we're
up in our morale, upbeat, so to.

Speaker 6 (01:52:05):
Speak, and we're doing very well.

Speaker 12 (01:52:07):
We're not letting this sort of psychological warfare it get
us down. We're not letting it stop us. And finally
the Israeli government offered that we could go to Ashkalan
on Israeli Port with our humanitarian aid if we were,
according to them, a peaceful organization and drop off the

(01:52:31):
humanitarian aid that the Israeli government will distribute to the
Gods and Palestinians.

Speaker 6 (01:52:35):
But we don't trust that they will do that. Gas
is subject to genocide.

Speaker 12 (01:52:41):
We don't see any motivation for Israel to stop this
genocide and to distribute the tons of food, water, and
medicine that we're carrying with us. So we're proceeding. We
are ignoring this offer. And also I must admit that
the Israeli government is contradicting itself. It says once we
arrive in the gas and waters, we are breaking a

(01:53:05):
legal blockade. In other words, they will stop us. And
yet they say we won't stop you if you go
to this Israeli port and deliver Themanditerranean Aid. So it's
clearly contradicting. We do not trust what these Raeli government says.
We will proceed to Gaza with the fifty one boats
and the humanitarian aid.

Speaker 6 (01:53:26):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
All right, and we got one more rucus from doctor
Frank Romano. Here.

Speaker 12 (01:53:37):
Hello, here, we are getting ready. We're putting all the
boats together to start the last leg of our journey
to Gaza.

Speaker 11 (01:53:49):
Here we are outside of crete of the islands. You
see all the boats.

Speaker 6 (01:54:13):
And we are towing a boat.

Speaker 12 (01:54:16):
It's like an old fishing vessel that perhaps the motor
is not working. Anyway, We are waiting for the final
decision to group together the boats from Barcelona, Tunisia, Italy
and Greece and finally head on our last leg two

(01:54:38):
gays that should take about five to six days.

Speaker 6 (01:54:41):
God willing. You see all the boats there and the
cove over there, and we are very, very upbeat.

Speaker 12 (01:54:49):
We want to send a message to the Guzen people,
to the Cousin Palestinians, We're on our way. You have
not been forgotten. We're going to open up the People's Corridor.
Then we're going to break the siege, inspiring other activists
to follow us. In other words, we're not giving up

(01:55:09):
on this. We'll have massive number of boats by sea
and then hopefully a massive number of people continuing the
March to Gaza movement and coordination eventually until Israel has
to withdraw from Gaza with its aider and a better
United States war criminals and from the West Bank, and

(01:55:29):
we can help Palestine to free itself. And I've said
a million times before, Palestine has led the way to
the world to show we can resist this military industrial complex.

Speaker 6 (01:55:41):
We can't resist this money.

Speaker 12 (01:55:43):
Powers that control the entire world today to either directly
or with respect or indirectly with respect to Russia and China,
they at any time any country that doesn't agree with
the United States or Israel does something different, they're subject
to sanctions. But we are saying we're going to free
ourselves from the clause of this military industrial complex money

(01:56:05):
interests that control us is oligarchy stifling vicious evil oligarchy
that controls us, including that's really pushing to exterminate a
dozen Palestinians. We will free ourselves from that, God willing.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
All right. Powerful video statements from doctor Frank Romano there.
You can catch him with Basil on Basil Show this week.
He gave you the details earlier in the program. Here.
Ruck is pretty pretty strong messaging. It's good to see
the high spirits out there on the high seas.

Speaker 8 (01:56:43):
Yes it is. It's good, and they're gonna need it
because when they arrived, they're probably going to have to
deal with this guy. So, yeah, what he was mentioning there,
the money interest powers, the oligarchy, the military industrial complex
is all about to be replaced by this guy. So

(01:57:04):
as long as they don't run into him or whatever
that thing is when they get there, they should be
all right. But yeah, no, again, clearly Israel has no
intention of like safely allowing those people to deliver that
food to the to the to the starving Palestinians, which
is which is terrible. Hopefully nothing crazy happens, but if

(01:57:25):
this turns into an international incident. This could very well
be the aforementioned catalyst we were discussing. Hasher you never know?

Speaker 1 (01:57:34):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all right, Well, I think we'll leave
it there, Ruckus, unless there's anything big we've forgotten. We
didn't talk about the Charlie Kirk thing, but I really
don't think it's this We don't.

Speaker 8 (01:57:46):
I don't think we need to discuss it here because
I think Patrick might want to weigh in on this one.
But Neat and Yaho certainly embarrassed himself at the United Nations.
I'm sure everybody is already aware of it, so I
thought it would be remiss if we didn't at least
point that out. But yeah, don't drone me, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because that
footage is very illuminating as far as you know, public
opinion at this point, even international opinion. And then there
was also that crazy stuff with him, you know, talking
about his new influencer base and all this stuff. I mean,
there's there's a lot going on in the background. But

(01:58:26):
I'm really glad you're able to be here with us today, Ruckus,
as we covered this, which is the most important story
as far as we're concerned this weekend, and big thanks
to our guests and to Basle and to you out
there for joining us and dropping all your comments. I
tried to get as many of them up on the
screen as I could, but they're coming hot and heavy today.

(01:58:50):
So yeah, if you're watching this on the stream, you
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got going this week? Make sure to give shouts out

(01:59:12):
to where people can find you.

Speaker 8 (01:59:13):
This week you'll find me in the Bahamas. After that
i'll be at Jamaica and then New York sitting on
just kidding, I don't know. I'm just gonna do my
normal things. So next week you'll find me at Weaponized
News co hosting with Sam Cheney. I don't know what
day that is, maybe Monday, probably Wednesday. Definitely on Thursday,

(01:59:35):
you'll find me with this bearded dude for the boiler
room alongside some of our friends and colleagues and fellow
you know, thought criminals. Soon to be droned. But yeah,
that's what I'm working on. I'm not doing Daily Ruckus currently.
I got word Slinger stuff going on pretty hot and
heavy right now. That's my business that I'm doing. So

(01:59:57):
if you're out there and you need help with the
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incorporate some of the amazing technology that I sit here
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But that's what I do. I go by the word Slinger,
So that's what I'm focusing on right now. When you
don't see me on air, but yeah, definitely check me

(02:00:19):
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be doing a Saturday night appearance with some of the
the AM wake Up crew and the New Prisoners folks,
So follow me on x AC Underscore Word Slinger to
find out where to find me doing that. Okay, thanks
for having me, hesher shout out to Patrick, thanks for

(02:00:41):
allowing us to host the show. So to find folks
out there watching and listening to us. Didn't have to
go without especially as you mentioned, hesher during an incredibly
important news event. So I'm glad I was here and
that I made it. I'll catch you guys on the
flippity flip. Make God bless each and every one of you.
And may God save this republic over here in America,
of course, but may He save everybody out there. May

(02:01:03):
He save Gaza. That'd be wonderful.

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again for being with us. This is Joseph Arthur. We'll
see you next week.

Speaker 15 (02:03:18):
Seize my Seize, seize five Gods, how many children have

(02:03:45):
to die? There are no sides.

Speaker 16 (02:03:51):
The mother trib.

Speaker 17 (02:03:55):
In no real way to justify.

Speaker 18 (02:04:01):
That that that comes from an evil sky cease fire,
cease fire, seas fire.

Speaker 9 (02:04:23):
God s.

Speaker 17 (02:04:32):
Damised a newly a bomb, dressed it.

Speaker 16 (02:04:39):
In a kill box.

Speaker 17 (02:04:41):
People can escape, that's out a lean, but where can
they go.

Speaker 16 (02:04:50):
A genocide? Something gets been legal bag.

Speaker 19 (02:04:57):
Cease fire, seize, seize for you, guys or somebody. Because

(02:05:23):
it's might be the last time raising hand.

Speaker 8 (02:05:29):
About the we are?

Speaker 17 (02:05:32):
What's this say about the we? Cause this not be
the last time raising hand.

Speaker 16 (02:05:48):
About the we? What's this say about it?

Speaker 6 (02:05:53):
We?

Speaker 16 (02:05:54):
A digital in s indigital.

Speaker 17 (02:06:02):
Line cut out the long along with the supply. Le
bron began the leads to the human.

Speaker 16 (02:06:17):
A fellow humans in silence that.

Speaker 9 (02:06:21):
Cried cease cease cease.

Speaker 20 (02:06:40):
Gods Without equality, there will always be worn.

Speaker 16 (02:06:54):
We have all of history to see how its have been.

Speaker 17 (02:06:58):
Bafall travelaz equals equality for on.

Speaker 16 (02:07:07):
Or else? Man can.

Speaker 19 (02:07:10):
Shirley fall spell sees sees guys.

Speaker 16 (02:07:30):
That's because this might be the last time raising hay
about Louie A what's this say about Louie? As? This

(02:07:58):
might be set less about

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