#500: A Super Celebration

Join us as we celebrate 500 episodes by discussing the movie that started it all, Superman!

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the continued podcast adventures ofSuperhero Speaking. But I think many of
the people that love this character andthat love superheroes in general, have used
these stories as inspiration to say,you know what, I'm gonna do something
good in the world. I'm gonnamake a difference like my hero when I'm
a kid. That is my finestmemory of it, because when you when

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you're doing common books, you wantthem to affect people, right, You
brut people to care and want andwant to strike emotions. And I knew
that that clone style was striking alot of emotions. Can you imagine pulp
fiction starring Goofy and Mickey Mouse forsomebody's I can tell? So would I

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would watch the hell out of it? Yes? I glad the seconds I
said my progeny to view of mykamavovies when Adams is somewhere going it's my
time. How do you measure success? And welcome that introgram my nipples.

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Hard hundredth episode of Superhero Speak.I'm your host, Dave and John.
I'm late. I told you i'dcall you in the morning. So your
baby, No, wait what jD we are We are here on our
five hundredth episode Official five hundred,and of course we had to bring in

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some of our friends and compatriots thathave helped us throughout the years. And
of course I was gonna say,we have our fifth Beatle, fourth Beetle,
well, fifth Beatle, four studentswith us contributor to the website.
How are you, sir, goodgreat gre television right there. I wasn't

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gonna say, stude, but youknow, and of course it would not
be a five hundred episode without ourgood friend Don How are you doing great,
sir? Thanks for having me here. This is awesome, Thank you
for joining. And of course wealso have from Cult forty five Rundom Rundo
Savage you and then we're I thinkwe're doing okay. And then of course

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the one, the only, thewonderful eighth bit Ray. It's in my
contract that they say throwing that outthere. You guys are really lame.
This is episode five hundred. Let'sget ripped, let's get going, as
the kids say, or you know, Jiggy or whatever, let's get you
guys are tamn funeral. This isn'treally swell. Oh I thought this was

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the last episode. That's what theytold me. We'll see how this go
as it could be? They theonly way that could get you to show
up right blow Dave's computer with asmany guys on it. I don't hope
you put a nail on the coffinof this thing. I was gonna say
this the last episode. What away to go right away? Congratulations,

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because why would you wish that onus or anybody listening to this. Yes,
Kissan, it's not John's birthday.Five hundred is not the birthday.
No, no, that that happeneda while ago. So yeah, we
already sprated that. Let's see.Let's how is everyone doing, Kristen.
You haven't been on in a while. How are you? What's new in

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your world? Anything new going on? No? Nothing, I'm good.
It's great. This coming week ismy favorite week of the year, when
March Madness starts and I get towatch basketball. I know it's not very
nerdy. I'm sorry, but I'msuper excited talk they're not that this year.
I'm so happy. I don't keepup on basketball, but about hockey,

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I'm I'm I'm oblivious. I onlyknow about the tar heels because of
how are you right? There?You go? There you go. There's
a question to ask, sir,you should be hosting this show. So
the week has been good. Thecar did not do so well the other
day. Software malfunction in my carshut the car pretty much down to zero

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miles an hour. That was alot of not fun. Remember when you
just put the car the key inthe car and it turned on and it
ran until you blew it up.You remember those days? Yeah? Those
days. Now it's like the computersays, no, you gotta stop watching
Internet porning your car. Man,how do you expect them to make a
profit if they have reliable machine andmake it unreliable? How many eggs did

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you click on in your car?Look, they wouldn't put Wi Fi hot
spots in your car if you weren'tsupposed to watch port on your laptop.
I'm sorry, fair, Fair,that's a new Tesla thing they're gonna add
later flashlights the only way they're gonnabe able to sell them after what the
car will explode, but at leastit will orgasm beforehand. Just let you

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know, jerk, it drives itself. You know, Dragon cars are gonna
have it with some way to likea car time And why not raise idea
there that's gonna say, speaking ofpeople who watch porn in the car,
how are you doing, Randy,I'm doing all right. I've mastered that.
By the way, I used tobe real scared about driving with one
hand, but now I just drivewith my feet your knees. That is

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not an image I wanted in myhead. It's just my Teton balls day.
All you're going to be seeing.My favorite thing on Twitter is when
random Rady Savage follows this person followsthis Cavs player. I'm like, oh,
let's check this out. You shouldsee it. Tiktoks off the rails.

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Nah, I'm just following this oneperson I know right right. Sometimes
those girls who when he follows andI see him and this one time to
score you all shoulder button all that. But I also showed the bottom of
her feet and I have more seasoningthan you know, kfc X or Crispy
Chicken. That's a market. Yeah, yeah, are you serious. Wicky

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Feet is one of the largest mostWicky most visited, was one of the
most visited sites on the internet.All right, how do you know that
she deleted the tweets? Because Ikeep subscribed, I keep track of you
get lonely going there all right,so then I'll turn it to you.
How are you, mister wicky feet? Job? I'm doing okay, you

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know, nothing big, nothing much. Kind of amazed that we're sitting here
after five hundred episodes of just blatheringto microphones, you know, kind of
kind of interesting to know that itstarted with with you and me and oh
my god, man Ben right Uni, Ben? And and you just sitting
there, you know, sticking inmy saying, hey, if we're going

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to talk about this during work hours, why don't we just do it in
front of a microphone. We're like, okay, and just you know,
and then five hundred episodes later,it's like, what the hell happened?
Ten years? What heppened? Whathell happened? A lot more? Does
what happened? A lot more dickjokes? Something something happened to create a
lot more dick jokes on this show. Yes about yeah happens all this is

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good? Yeah, that's good,good, good about you? Dave?
How you doing? Oh? Can'tskip over j D? Because you know
I always skip over JD. Damnevery episode it was late. I'm gonna
say I'm always late. So speakinghow no problems? And now wrestling or

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anything. This week we kids.The kids State wrestling tournament was this week.
I worked. I made a video. Oh, I gotta post that.
I made a video for them.I did some video work. I
took my son there for the firsttime, so we got to see that.
That was pretty fun. And thenwatched a movie today You did.
I did just was the movie?It was, in fact Superman Cole in
the movie. Because I slept tilllike fucking I slept till like one o'clock

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in the afternoon for the first timein seven years. Today it was glorious.
It was glorious. My wife isa saint and a wonderful human being
for letting me. I'm so jealous. That's yeah. I hate daylight savings.
So I didn't realize it too.That was daylight savings Time'm like,
wow, I slept a lot,and then I'm like, oh, no,
last an hour. I still slepta lot, and there as much
as I thought I slept, Idon't recognize daylight savings time in Arizona.

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Yeah, I don't think. Idon't think anyone should anymore. No one's
farming. I think we're done inIllinois. I think we're gonna cease director,
because we do daylight savings and dallexpendings, and I'm pretty sure after
this year we are no longer goingto observe them. I think Indiana needs
to get off its ass. Soyou'll be really late when the clocks changed.
Man, I'll tell you what ifyou tell me they be there at

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seven thirty, I will be thereat seven twenty nine and fifty seven seconds
until my computer won't boot up andthen I'm like shit, and then I'm
hitting the button over and over againand finally got it gone. So I'm
good. It did an extended introfor this one. I had a hunch.
I had a hunch. I know, I had a minute I locked
in. I'm like, oh,good, tape overdid it this week?
I got time settled in, makesure my levels were good. I'm all

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right. How are you, JohnnyLongher, I'm I'm alright. I have
a little upset with that intro becauseit rendered it. But a lot of
the pictures came out. It lookedlike ass look well, it looked better
on I was watching, it lookedbetter. It looked like it was on
a Nokia six one thirty. Yeah. Nice, you didn't make it potato.

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You made it a potato salad.I would have said a commodore sixty
four, but you know that wouldhave been an intro. Yeah, and
it's I lost an hour and yesterdayfor some reason. First off, my
girlfriend and I decided to get Indianfood, lots of alcohol. Wasn't that
last week's episode was at least twoweeks ago just becoming a trend. It's

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like, I just yeah, Ijust like, we didn't go to bed
till late. So like I wakeup and I'm looking at the time like,
oh crap, like it's really late, and it's like, oh wait,
it was daylight Saving times. I'mlike, that's why I feel like
shit, Okay, yeah, soso yeah, and I had to rush
around and get stuff done for today, for this this lovely you know what.

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So I want to say this,like putting that together and looking back
over five hundreds plus episodes doing this, I wish you would end. I've
been going to say four hundred toolong. You know, it's been a
fun journey, like you know,it's it's it's been a lot of fun,

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learned a lot of things, meta lot of great people. You
know. I kept thinking about theFingerlakes trip John when to the convention at
the Fingerlakes and it was just,you know, it wasn't what we thought
it was going to be, butI think it still turned out to be
a good experience. We got alot of footage or audio out of that
before we were doing live. It'sit's fun when you show up, you're

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you're told they'll have a table foryou for as a podcast, and you
show up and suddenly you're told,well, you're the MCS. Then then
you're and then yes, and thenyou're told we don't and then you're told
you don't. We don't have anyequipment for you. Wait a minute,
Wait a minute. You we neverthought this before I came on. I've

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never heard okay. So so theidea was they said, we'd like you
to do a panel, maybe hostone other one and like we'll have a
table for you and you can likemeet fans and you can go around and
interview people and stuff. And weget there and are like, yeah,
can you like host all the panels? And and they didn't have any equipment.
We had to we were going outlooking for equipment at like radio shack

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and and so music stores for chordsand everything. But it's funny radio shack
in music stores. I was aboutto say, not radio shack, because
radio shack didn't exist even then.We did find a local music store and
we got everything that we needed,so it worked. But I will say

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that the good thing that came outof it was we were able to hook
up a recorder to the PA andwe recorded everything and then ended up just
releasing those as episodes for you know, a little while content. Yeah,
and we got got time off,but yeah, and we got a lot
of great interviews out of it,and it was fun, you know,
and learned a lot about John onthat trip that you know too much,

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you know. Welcome the superhero Spice. Yeah, singer Lakes, we were
fingerliking good. Don't pretend like youdidn't watch the scrambled Spice Channel when you
were a kid. I had theactual The Spice Channel is how I learned
about sex. My parents didn't giveme the birds and the bees. I

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just learned it from porn. Horrible. Yeah, not getting as many callbags.
I keep showing up a pizza.Why don't the insight because when does
the music start playing? Porn isgood for mechanics. Not so much approach,

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and that's where you have to kindof you know, throw on the
line. There there are notes thatcan be taken, but not you know,
like a good salad bar. Youtake what you want, you leave
the rest. Yeah, yes,we same way. I approach DC continuity
this show. So a DC approachis continuity. That is makes sense,

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ma'am. Like missionary but office spitting. Okay, I got We'll take what's
good to watch? All right,we're up the rooms. Just maybe three
fingers got you. So so I'mkind of curious. I mean, I'm
not everyone's going to have something toadd to this, but if you do.
Over the last five hundred episodes,anyone here have a favorite moment?

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I thought we were still talking aboutporn. Kobe time from Kobe Tie was
my favorite porn star from nineteen ninetytwo to nineteen ninety nine. When she
retired in two thousand to have ababy, beautiful baby boy. I was
a big Jewel Denial fan and ohnice, yeah, yeah, right,
okay, okay, my favorite Igot an answer for this. My favorite

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was when we had a guest onwho we immediately became I immediately became confrontational
with because he just kept talking abouthow great he was and nobody knew who
what the heck he was from.His name was Bobby something, And I
cannot remember his last time. Iremember that perfect that you can't remember his
last night, oh, because hewas like this, oh deiez went out
and out of him all together.Yes, that was the most awkward interview

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I've ever been a part of,and like he totally felt that I was
not gibing with him and got realconfrontational on the air. It ruled like
that was one of my probably myfavorite moment on this show because it was
a super awkward conversation that just gotworse as he had a very high opinion
of himself that really wasn't deserved.And it's funny because I was trying to,

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like, obviously, I wanted totry to include as many pieces of
artwork out good, but I concentratedon the guests, but his I skipped
over, Like I didn't put itin the intro because it was like it
was bad, It was real bad, but it was also real funny because
like he was feeling that it wasreal bad and then he got like mad
and halfway through it was if youcould find that one Dave and post some

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of those to go along with us. Eventually that would be great. I
think that was one of the momentstoo, I realized, like, yeah,
he Jady's a great addition to thispodcast. Thank you. You're like,
I'm not putting up on anyone shitlike He's podcast because this dude,
well, that dude was like Icould say, like, I know what,
I'm being bullshit and you could takeon one of two ays. You
can let the guy bullshit or youcould just call him out on his bullshit

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and it makes her a much betterinterview when you do that. And our
friend mister del Rail was not pleasedwith that move, but I think it
made for a better show because thisshow we talked, we joke about going
off the rails, but that wasthe first, like I don't know,
six seven minutes was just got awfulaudio with that. Yeah, we don't
joke about going off the rails.We go off the rail. Yeah,

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but it's fun. It's fun whenit's off the rails. This was off
the rails and just like freaking boring. It was awkward and boring. Yeah,
like and then I got interesting.So that was probably four years ago
something like that. I want tosay. I want to say it was
pre pandemic times. Yeah, andit was one of the first interviews you
were on for two I think notans who was up, like what fuck

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this guy? Pretty much pretty muchwhat happened? Yeah, that's fun.
I have a favorite moment, right, Yeah, the first time that I
was ever on this show. Itwas me versus Don in an X Men
knowledge battle. Yeah, remember that. And this is when Dave and John,
yeah, and JD and just everybodyjust kind of sat back and just

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let me and Don go to fistthe cuffs for an hour arguing X Men.
Uh huh. And I thought thatit was a really good conversation.
Yeah, and it was fun andit was fun to sit and watch you
two go at it. So wewe probably could have went longer, but
you know, Joey probably would haveyelled at us. Yeah, you know.
Yeah, that truly was a greatdiscussion. And what's you know even

(17:48):
better is that in the end,I think I did good in the debate,
but I didn't I won. Noreality unfortunately made him correct, you
know, as Hickman promptly kind oflike didn't give a fuck anymore, and
that I'm a prophet with the ship, you know, after blowing up a
universe, you know, anyway,we'll go in through it again. You're

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a profit by always being there.That's the next episode. I'm making love
pretty much the Rocky too. Well, well, I am one there next
week, don I am on yourshow next week talking about man again.
So we're gonna have an X Menoff. You know, we might as
well just sneak it in there.Yeah, we'll do it on your turf,

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bud, you got that chet.Yeah, I got some favorite,
some favorite memories from this thing.Okay, I do. Meeting Michelle Nichols,
yeah, we we And and thestory behind that was we we we
missed getting a interview with her bylike five minutes. And the reason was
that the people running the running theconvention that we're at head put this seventy

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eight year old woman who had beenthrough a stroke. They put her right
behind the sound on stage. Yeah, and and she like she couldn't hear
us, Like we I was talkingto her and she could barely hear me.
And we figured we'd wait until theyfinished in the sound stage. And
by the time we came back,she was too tired because she's all old
and she left. And then thebest part about that, well best part
the about her was she was apologeticto us because she's like, I'd love

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to do the interview, but Ican't because I can't hear anything. It
was so loud. It was amazing. She's so kind and nice and like,
you know, just it was Itwould have been great if I could
have gotten an interview with her.Like the person that he did get an
interview with who was like that wasDavid Browley, who who plays a filch
in the on the Harry Potter movies, and he also plays was It to

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the First Doctor in Doctor Who?Or? He has been playing the First
Doctor for a while now since theWilliam Hartnell passed away a long time ago,
so they needed another character actor.And he is like everybody's favorite,
you know, kind old grandfather.He was like one of the nicest She's
just like you just wanted to gethim a hug. He was just so
so cool, right and I I, well, you're not allowed to talk

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to the guests anymore. I mean, you know, it's yeah, a
lot of them, a lot ofthese people like you had to, Yeah,
you had to sneak around security andthen hope to God that none of
their their agents were around to staveyou off. We talked to Brian Kent's
Cranston. That was another one.He was We were on a panel with
him, or we we we watched, we were we attended a panel with

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him, and then we had aroundtable with him. He is one of
the funniest people I've ever seen.He's just hysterical in in person video job
once. He's a real cool dude. Yeah. Another one Marita Sertis,
who played Dan and Troy. We'vegot her an interview. If you listen
to it, you will hear mesay something about do you I forget exactly

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what I said I should. I'mback and listen to it. But it's
like it's like it's like do youdo you know that? Like there's some
people that you know get bad atyou for saying such and such. And
she went off for half an hourjust just yelling about, oh, you
know, those people never less too, and they're horrible. And that's like
the bulk of the interview. Andand and I learned. I learned only

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a few minutes after I finished thatinterview that when you go and interview Marina
searches. You bring the best damnchocolate you can find from around the place,
and that guarantees you an interview anda good one at that. And
the way our secrets on air,I well, that's kind of a well
known secret. The only the onlyother one that comes around, and like
right off the top of my headis like Mirra Ferlin, who was in

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Babylon five. Because I didn't Ididn't. I didn't know much about her
except from Babylon five. And she'sthe reason why I do some research now
because when I walked up to her, I said solely, why don't you
tell me about BABELFI was like,I've done other stuff than Babylon five.
Were like, oh, what elsewe have you done? And she looked
at me, and this is onthe I think she said, well you
should know that because that's your job. And I'm like, okay, J

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and I just you know, Iplayed it as cool as I could and
I got some stuff out of herand she was really nice. So and
she passed away two years ago.Yeah, you guys also did Kevin Conroy?
Right? Oh yeah, A coupleof we not him a few times,
didn't we? Yeah? He wason the third Yeah, yeah,
yeah, he was. He wasa class act all the way. Yeah,

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so I had else. Well,I've interviewed Ricky Lacone was it twice.
She's she's one of the bigger costplayers. But she'll talk to me
anytime. Because she tams squirrels asa side. There's so much and that
last five sentences I just can't control. She rehabilitates squirrels on the side,

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like, and it's really cool.And I've got squirrels and I'm I've been
taming, so it's like kind offun. Really, John, make anything
dirty terrifying to me because I'm petrifiedas squirrels. Roads are terrifying in themselves.
Do you never wonder why you don'tsee a squirrel at night because they're
busy sharpening the pick xes? Idon't know. Because the hell for Orders

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all right, apparently really wants usto watch Piccard. Yeah, apparently he's
doing a whole He's doing his ownpodcast down there. Really good. I
was not expecting the studio where howshitty their writing has been. I like
that, lie, it's been sittysince season one. That's why I gave
up three episodes in I'm like thisis garbage. Amount is still the only

(23:37):
streaming service I don't have. Iwas, I was, I was expecting
the next next generation, and allI got was a senior living home insteads
old. Yeah, yeah, butyou know what, he needs a paycheck.
And you know what, you know, he's not going to be back
as Professor X most likely. No, you know, he's too old for

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that. It. I don't know. So I I got nothing, nothing,
all right, nothing, Yeah,I guess I'll say that like if
you had told me ten years agowe would get to five hundred episodes,
and I would be like, yeah, no, that's not going to happen.
If they had told you we wouldhave gotten to ten episodes ten years

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ago, we would have been like, yeah, sure, right, I
remember. I remember when we started. I was so nervous talking into a
microphone, like talking a front ofpeople. Now it's like, you know,
I got my le courage, Igot some tea, and well,
good, yeah, let's see whatever. It doesn't matter to me anymore.
Yeah, obviously, and and andwe did the first the first few well,

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first, I don't know, acouple dozen at work in a meeting
room where people could walk by andlook in and see what we were Yeah,
after work they were. They wereactually asking as well, what what
do you guys do about it?It was kind of the end of the
day. Yeah, getting paid forit. I like getting paid for it.
Yeah, that's the only time we'veever gotten Yeah, it's great.

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Thank you, Jennifer, congratulations onfive. Who's this random Randy Savage?
What? There's no such thing asa PC there's uh wow, that is
close to Randy. Now, thereis no such thing as a trekker or
a War's horror or anything like thatanymore. It's all one thing. You're
a geek. It's all bottled together. Yeah, there's no lines anymore.

(25:33):
They're all blue. And if thereand if there are lines, then they're
a purest gatekeeper, like you knowsome people on this show. So anyway
else to say narcissist, I'm anarcissist. I was gonna say along the
lines of like John being nervous andhaving doing it in fun of people.
Wait wait, wait, usually itdoesn't go to you got it only fans

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shown who doesn't even only fans?At this point, you say, men,
But I've actually I actually subscribed toone of them one time, and
I was like, good for you, dude, For you I could do
an old and only fans by andshow how to do coding and make more
money than I make. No,you know anyway, actually got a bad

(26:22):
idea. Not a bad idea.It was supposed to be that Dave was
up at the top of the screenjust thinking, how the hell did we
make it the five hundred yes,yes with these months. What I was
going to say is that, likeI know, for me and I do
think John too, like we've growna lot, like being able to like

(26:47):
talk to people and getting out ofour shells. I mean doing the show
live quite a few times in frontof audiences at conventions and at what you
call it the Philly Podfest, youknow, and like just going up to
people that we admire or convention it'slike, hey, would you talk to
us? You know, like justlike to me, that's the best part
of the journey. It's just likewe both have grown. I'll never forget

(27:08):
the John hadn't bitten too conventions foryears and we got them to go to
the Great Philly Comic Conomy. Ohthat was no, No, you gotta
you gotta preface that with I hadjust gotten a divorce, and the reason
why I hadn't gone to conventions wasbecause my ex kept us poor and didn't
like that side of my life.Yea, So so I walked in there

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like a kid in a freaking candystore, with Willy Wonka offering me the
whole thing. I like, Iskipped through the Philly convention, you know,
for like two days, just skippedthe whole way. John was there,
somebody cosplaying as Willy Wonka and offeredyou candy. I have these need
candies. Followed Rail to the bathroomstall, try us to lick the walls.

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But I was just gonna say itseems great advice or a bathroom.
Actually, anyone who's a fan ofthe show is not gonna believe what I'm
about to say. But seeing Johnbecome more well rounded and a happier person
since we've started this makes me happy. Yeah, I'm working on going the
other direction again. You know,this is the best John We've had one
bad date at a time. I'mhappy John is Yeah. Oh shit,

(28:22):
my my my ex was pretty bad. Let's put it that way. It
was it was a darker universe downthere. Yeah, I had to I
had to go te you know itwas the dark imagine Bully Maguire. It
was like the hair. Yes,I was too. I was so thinking
of that, like death. ToDave's point about how good you guys got

(28:47):
a doing interviews. I've done abunch of podcast interviews, but like one
of my first ones with you guysright through it promishing the writing BS stuff,
and we had such a good conversationright that I felt immediately at home
with you guys, and I'm like, this was great. And I've I've
had a lot of like interviews overthe years, but never one where I
felt like so at home right fromjump. And that's why when you were

(29:10):
looking for someone to replace Ben orI don't remember Ben, to be honest
with you, he was. Hedid not. He was not on the
episode that I was. I waslike, I kind of want to do
this. I could do this withthese guys, like and you got lifelong
friendship side of it. Like youguys before I, before, before him,
long before me, were really reallygood at making people feel comfortable and
making you know. It's because whenyou're like I picked on that Bobby the

(29:33):
Rio guy earlier for just you know, kind of want to come out and
push a shit and move along.It's very difficult to for both sides of
the conversation to get a real conversation, you know, back and forth going.
And I think it's something YouTube excelat is just really making people feel
at home and then getting them toopen up. I will say that,
and it's not that disparage has beenat all, but he wasn't comfortable with

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That's why a lot of the interviewepisodes he would skip out because he just
wasn't comfortable with it. And youknow, everyone has their strength, but
you know, I learned early onbecause like I had known J. G.
Jones for years and he was oneof our first guests on the show,
and it was like I would askhim a question, he'd be like,

(30:15):
like, you know, tell meabout this, and he would say
like a five word answer and I'mlike okay. So it's like holying teeth
until like towards the end it comesmore conversational, and I realized, like,
yeah, it's got to be aconversation. So like realize that early
on in the doing that that's somethingI think a lot of people don't realize
is like the best interviews you don'tgo in with like a list of questions

(30:37):
because then you're always thinking about what'sthe next question I gotta ask. I
gotta make sure I hit this beatso I don't sound stupid. You got
to steer the conversation that yeah,yeah, you gotta let it evolve over
time, like you gotta be like, hey, you know, so you're
like, you know, you didthis, you know's what about that?
And then you just let it buildoff. And I think that's what makes
honestly, especially in this medium ingeneral, that's what makes the most podcasts

(31:00):
are you just let you just letpeople talk about what they want to do
and what they work are into ratherthey're interested in yeah yeah, rather than
just having them push like this thing, I'm doing this thing right. And
I learned how to get more comfortabledoing that, just you know, from
you guys and just you know,learning how to kind of be a little
bit more comfortab in your own skinand the microphone, because it takes time

(31:21):
to feel that process out, likefrom from both sides of the coin,
you know. And it's something thatI think you guys are really really good
at because even those first three interviews, I kind of like would sit back
because I just was letting you guysdo your thing because you had a good
flow, right, and it wasstill very apparent. Thank you. Yeah,
I found that like in the beginning, it's I always figured because you

(31:42):
watch all these interviews other people do, and it's and it's shows where you
know they've only their shows only gonnabe fifteen minutes. They have they have
to account for every minute of itright exactly they're going to do. They're
going in with certain questions, andyou get the interviews where it flows.
It doesn't flow because it's like askquestion, listen, to answer ask questions,
listen, But there's no connecting tissuebetween that kind of conversation. And

(32:07):
you get a lot more out ofpeople when you talk to them and want
to hear what they care about,rather than are trying to steer them into
what you want to hear. Andthe thing is like I have a list
of go to questions, but that'sjust for when like I feel the conversation
starting to die. But like,yeah, most most of the times it's
just have a conversation. Well,it's good to the research because you want

(32:28):
to know who you're talking to.Like John was saying, like I need
to start doing research on people,so that you because you never know,
especially when you get these people thatdo these conventions and they get asked the
same questions every turn over and overagain. That one of the biggest problems.
Yeah, yeah, and they getlike poopy about it. So it's
good to know going in they havesome idea of how to direct the conversation.
But you don't need to be marriedto right, right, Dave,

(32:50):
how do you measure success? Imeasure with a ruler. I said that
joke last week, and I can'tbelieve it took me five years to think
at all. You're not the first. You're not the first person that said
that though, And I just said, yeah, all right, So,
speaking of we had some Star Trekconversation going on in the common speaking and
start, are you guys all caughtup on the Mandalorian? Yeah, just

(33:12):
pissed off all the nerds, Yes, Jady quit? Oh my god,
j D nice, Nope, Idon't do baby Groogo bye bye. That's
baby Yoda. Or is that yourway of j D saying like, no,
you haven't watched it yet. Itis I do believe that is his

(33:36):
commentary on that. I guess god, Oh my God, that's all it
took after five hundred episodes to breakj D ask him to watch a show
he likes. I don't take ordersvery well. They all right, all
right, well, well you can. You can mute your speakers for a
second, g D. And Iwant to ask Don what he thought of

(33:59):
the lad this episode, because Iknow, well, you are excited as
all heck for where you think thisis going. Well, if you want
to know how that episode goes,you can check out the Omega Level Nerds
podcast over and you can check itout also on pod bean cast apps.
All that he is not lying toyou, you can. But yeah,

(34:21):
Dave, I'm loving it. Iabsolutely love what we're experiencing because I love
the Mandalorian I love Star Wars lawin general, but Mandalorian shit is just
really cool. And the fact thatwe're diving into this, that it's not
the Baby Yota show, I justI can't wait. It's such an intriguing

(34:42):
place that I think we're gonna gowith these shows. Who's gonna be Mandalor
will it be dan Jar? Andwill it be Boba Fett, will it
be Bokatan? Will it be growGoo? Yeah, we've we've been booked
the shit out of it for liketwenty minutes. Yeah, like we went
that's I thought about that. Whywatching this episode, could it be grogu
Like that would be weird. Butyeah, he reached from the Dark Saber

(35:06):
when Moff Gideon was waving it infront of him. It's definitely the Dark
Sabers, not jin Jarns because hecan't wield it for shit. I'm yeah,
exactly, we can wield it prettydamn. Oh yeah, oh yeah
around. Oh yeah, well she'sroyalty, she's part of the royal family,
so yeah, may get the mithosaurand the mithisaur. Don't give it

(35:31):
awab, don't give it away.You know, I'll leave it, love
it, give it away too much? Bacon, you're right, we have
a code Godzilla here. But whatyou're telling us is that you don't want
to talk about it because you wantpeople to watch your show. Right.
No, no, no, I'mhere all days. The show's already out.
No no, no, we're good. I'm sure I'll say different shit
than I said that. We raisewe're worried about that to me. Yeah,

(35:52):
that's my opinion, that's my theory. Yeah, well, so you
still love how episodic. The showis like, I love how they set
up this question in the first episode, like how long is this gonna take?
And then immediately bam, second episode, Yeah, we're gonna go to
Mandalord. Oh my god, sixstops between us a Mandolor and he did

(36:14):
the first episode, it felt likethey were setting up like, oh,
we're gonna take a long time becausehe's got to get ig eleven back together,
and it's gonna be like three orfour episodes before we get the Mandalord.
Episode one and two were originally supposedto be the first episode. Did
anybody feel that way? And thenthey kind of made a cut it happened
they could have really been like anhour premiere episode. Absolutely I felt that

(36:37):
way because that first forty minutes.Yeah, but weren't they both forty minutes
eighty minutes long? That's like I'mreally as a whole movie, yeah,
back in nineteen seventy, but likeI'm here four. Well, they're only
gonna have eight episodes though, soI mean yeah. A lot of people
said that this episode was dark,kind of like the last EPI episode of

(37:00):
or the big fight at the endof Game of Thrones. It was really
dark and you couldn't see anything.I watched the episode and I could see
everything perfectly. I don't know whatthese people are talking about. Yeah,
I mean I was a little bitdark in the water. Yeah, I
was gonna say it was a littledark. But it wasn't like he done.
I mean I didn't. It wasn'tit didn't see what they're doing inside

(37:21):
of the Cave of Wonders. Youweren't seeing how these animals like watch TV
though, they like have all thelights on in their house and they're on
their phone and they've cut like windowsopen. It's like no, it's like,
yeah, there you go, thereyou go inside account there's darkness right
there. It wasn't like in whatwas that Dune that night battle scene like

(37:44):
there, I couldn't see half ofwhat was going on in that. But
like the last episode of Game ofThrones, yeah, a big battle,
a big battle that you could Iwas very disappointed to them. I was
like, well, I turned Iturned my brightness all the way up and
everything, and I still couldn't seeship. Yeah, so didn't. They
didn't want to pay the CGI allthe zombies, so they just made it

(38:05):
super I should have just had theMarvel guys come over and overwork them.
They should have had Jordan Peel showup and show them how to do a
nighttime scene. Here. It isgood, good point, Jady, we're
talking Jordan Peel doing Nope, allright, all right? Is it time
for him to come back in?Is it time for JD to come back?
How do you get his attention?I gotta send him a private chat

(38:28):
here. That doesn't sound right hangon the screen, So I guess while
we wait for him or whatever.Though, I gotta tell you, I'm
very disappointed as a Star Wars fanthat, like, to me, this
show a bad match that is alsoon, like to hear everybody just kind

(38:50):
of like, you know, yeah, it's fucking awesome. What are you
talking about? Like I think it'sgood that that batch is good. Yeah,
yeah, it's in general just Mandalorianbad, just all of it.
Yeah, they haven't had a misstepso far as far as I can tell.
The dissenting voices are always the loudest. He just said, that's their
marketing job. Sounds marketing and DisneyPlus shows have really been lacking in the

(39:14):
marketing department, Like I didn't evenknow, Like he's like you want to
come talk to Mandalorian. I'm like, it's not out yet. Well,
the episode's up right now, Likelike they failed in their marketing. Well
have one picture on their website.I was like on the main screen.
So if you're not watching Disney Plus, you don't know not one Facebook,
Instagram, TikTok nothing. I didn'teven know it was coming out. Does

(39:37):
any of that stuff work? Toldme Disney would know better than us.
Yeah, how to drive people thatwould have So that's fair. They don't
know how to drive. JD doit them? Well, so he just
because he wanted to speaking Stephen King, Now will I'm sure to show up
thirty years to get to it.Yes, speaking of consenting voice, let's

(40:00):
do a little bit of social media. Man, come back back here,
but we're gonna start with a livecomment here from our good friend Kassan,
one of our favorite contributors on socialmedia. I love the macro discussion.
What do you guys want to improveover the next five hundred episodes? Any

(40:22):
new changes to the overreaching direction ofthe platform. Well, we just change,
I well, we just changed actually, like we just started doing the
live stream. That's pretty much likeit's infancy still for us, because we
used to just do this whenever inthe three of us, just whenever we
get together and record and release andWednesdays. Now we've got a little bit
more you know, constructure and like, okay we have to do at this

(40:43):
time, which is the biggest challengefor me. But I mean, like
I think that I think we canget better at the live stream moments.
I think we're adjusting because like we'rewe're getting better at like playing with the
live comments, we're getting better at. I think I think Dave would agreement
this is they're doing a live showis just different than the reported show.
Yeah, very different. And we'renot streamers super chats well not only it

(41:07):
keeps saying we got to figure outhow to do super chats so we can
make money. We haven't figured outyet. You have to have a subscribers.
I think in order to get superchats to even be able to do
we have that for fight game.I don't even know a whole lot of
a second. I need to learnthis. It's a thousand, is it.
I don't think you know these things. What do we have, Dave?
What how many subscribers we have onYouTube currently? We have one hundred

(41:28):
and eighty we gottbe. We needto drive that out. So what I'm
going to say that if you arewatching right now, please hit that subscribe
button down below, bring it back. I wanted over my face, Julia.
Now, ye over Now it's onraised shoulder. Yeah, it's throbbing

(41:58):
over raised shoulder. Act. Hey, we just need to two of those
recording buttons that you just hit whenyou want to hear it, and one
would be the Wilhelm scream and theother one will be Archer yelling phrasing j
D J D. If you keeptalking like that, I'm urge you to
write a smut book. I don'thave it in me. I just know.
She said, see, you dohave it in you. Oh a

(42:22):
lot of money, but there's aretons of money those And I said,
in a in a fuer one,I'm just gonna write a Rodica. My
wife goes, you can't do that, and I went, okay, you're
right power in my corner. NowI'll take it up. I'll accept it.
John. I think you'll agree withclassy here. I don't know,

(42:44):
fifteen anime talk all right, I'llgive you at least sixty seconds that's what
she said. So Attack One Titan'slast episode for the next six months.
Scared and okay. So I didn'tcry the birth of my children. I
cry at my wedding. But seeingHanji go and die like a fucking boss

(43:07):
tears man tears grown ass man tearsdown my face. She didn't deserve it.
She didn't. I'm getting choked upthinking about it. But it's but
it's funny because you know, justyou don't get I don't get emotional about
very many things. Attack on Titan'send is what Game of Thrones end should
have been, like, amen,fair enough. I don't even know what

(43:30):
the end is, but I knowthis is. But now because I screwed
up, because I stumbled into Attackon Titan, TikTok so, now I
have to relive Hanji dying over andover and over, and it's killing me.
I was sad and when Flash diedFlash me too. I was sad
in a Flash died fh flosh flosh. All right, people are dying in

(44:00):
all the shows that I like,my hero Academia, people die, people
are dying. Randy getting caught up, They're dying while you got caught up.
I'm waiting until they dub it out. They don't want to catch Yeah,
don't judge me, you judge judger, But that's a gait. I'm

(44:22):
standing right in front of a rightsomebody's got to keep it. I excuse
the hell out of me when Iwant to just would enjoy not have to
read so much. I only haveone tweet that I included. I thought
I included a couple more. Butwe had talked about the live action How
to Train Your Dragon, and wegot our good friend marklis Reagan's from the

(44:45):
Wizard podcast said, the DreamWorks movieshave some incredible storytelling and most people won't
bother with simply because it's animated.A live action version could deliver a real,
solid cinematic experience. Guilty is charged. He's one hundred percent right.
I had John was pushing this foryears about watching How to Train Your Dragon.
I was like, I don't andI'm not, and I'm not,

(45:05):
you know, animation against it,and I just tigured out, you know.
And then my kid saw it andfell in love with it, and
I watched it a hundred times andit gets better every single time, Like
it's an excellent movie. And he'sright, they might be able to reach
more people with a live action version. I don't know if you can capture
the heart the same way the animationdoes. But the story is so damn

(45:28):
good, so I'm not opposed toI think that I've cried to more animation
things than I have real life movies, like real life actors. I cried
not all right. I cried inToy Story, Yeah, okay, fair
guilty story. I was lost,cried at Free Willie the Whale. Why

(45:54):
I don't Michael on all of it? I don't know, man almost Oh
my god, I'm sorry. Istill don't think that they can do There's
there's too many things running against it. It will be a miracle if if
Harder Treating Meagan comes out as alive action and it's a little gives you
the same heart that it has.You're you're on a show that's basically about

(46:20):
the whole premise of the show isa depths come of books into other media,
and then you don't want them toadapt this animated film. John hates
everything. I hate it everything there'sa book. There's the difference between taking
a concept of a hero like youknow, Captain America, where there's there's

(46:43):
you know, thousands of years worthof continuity that they've got or whatever,
and and and just telling another storyabout him. This is the distifying of
it. It's taking something and thenmaking an exact copy of it as a
live action show. Yeah. Maybe, if we're lucky, it'll be it'll
job because the ones that they haven'tmade exact copies of, like Mulan,

(47:06):
they just butchered. But here that'sthe thing you're saying, you know,
disifined. But this is dream Works. It's a different studio, I know,
and I mean give a little bitof I guess, but oh maybe
a lot of the actions do fallflat. But I do think since it's
dream Works that maybe, you know, we'll get something different. Maybe it's
just to hold onto a copyright.That might be it too. Well,

(47:29):
what do you think we got Fantasticfour movies. That's the reason why we
got to Lulan and Like a Ladand Cinderella live actions like back to back
to back to back, because allof those were about to fall into copyright.
But the Dragons animated version, we'rekind of cute. And if we're
doing live actions Dragons or you're gonnahave cute, well the first in the

(47:51):
first part of it, it's adangerous monster. We don't know what it
looks like until we see it,so then yeah, why not? And
then you see tooth listen, you'relike, oh, he's adornable. Oh
it's so so I got I gotan anime thing. Actually for you guys,
go on, Oh god, sorry, let's let's do classies comment real
quick. I cried when Narado finallyLardodo, finally it's narroto come on and

(48:19):
becoming the say it say it?Nah, he was you know what's going
to happen? Okay, he wasan out accade and an orphan since birth,
but now everyone loves him. SoI mean, I don't watch the
show. I have no ideas.So when I cried when they dicked over

(48:43):
Madero by making him like the coolestvillain that you could ever make for an
anime, only for some alien chickto like destroy him, and all of
a sudden, she's the best.She's like she final fantasied into the story.
And what that means is you goon this whole story and all of
a sudden, the protagonist changes andyou're finding a giant alien monster that's what
happened in the Narto's story, andthat's what made me in cry. I'm

(49:05):
sorry you hit a nerve there withNarto. All right, so it's about
what's your anime thing, JD.So my buddy Josiah who's actually watched the
show and commented on some things.He's a good friend. He told me
that I would like something called Personafour and oh my god, a video
because that it's like, he said, this is right because he read one
of my books and he goes,this is your alley and I'm like,

(49:27):
oh, you know me an animeman. He's like trust man, Like
okay, So I'm gonna bring thisup to the council because the Superman,
because we're doing Superman, we gotthese heads floating around the dark in space.
I figure it works Persona four Yay, Nay? Why is this something
I should because it's I opened upabout the anime, Jdi. Yes,

(49:49):
I am talking about the I rememberthat I liked the anime from what I
watched. I remember that I didlike what I watched. So yeah,
it was your I'm not guy,okay, based on a role playing game.
It was okay, Okay. Idon't. I don't know how they
think that. That's like right upyour alley. I don't know what the
catches. So it was recommended tome, so I don't know. I

(50:13):
know nothing of why he explained it, and I was kind of like I
was reading, I'm like, oh, sounds interesting, but I don't remember
what he said in retrospect, sothat the same premise though, I yeah,
yeah, I'm kind of I don'tknow. I would say, odd
taxi would be something interesting to you, Okay, is this something recommendation anime?

(50:34):
Like, well, I just cameup. It just it just came
up. So I'm like, youknow what I'm I've got the people here
who know these things I should ask. The anime that got me in the
anime was Panny and Stocking. Ohmy god. Really yea, even with
the ending on that, Yeah,that was insane. It's what it was,
and it was an insane show altogether. So it's it's not it's not

(50:55):
what you guys, Okay, it'skind of what you guys, exactly what
you and knowing my personality, justguess what you think it could be.
I know what we're going with this. So yeah, So Jennifer Howard said,
I would say not to Persona four. Okay, That's all I know
is that the Persona five games,my son loves, like, absolutely loves

(51:17):
them. I mean they storyline everything. It's it's there are worse translations from
I've never seen any See Death Note, Jada. It's one freaking season.
It's thirty six or thirty seven episodes. Please just go watch that. The
most story telling ever in an animal. We can't get him to watch Mandalorian
I like Mandalorian I have I've neverbeen fast enough for me. Sorry,

(51:40):
I've never watched a single anime everhigh school. Watch that. Yeah,
Death Note is available and like allstreaming services, free paid for everything,
it's everywhere. Death Node is oneof the best enemies. I mean,
the first season is one of thebest out there, and it is.
It's a mind game. It's likewatching Sherlock Holmes and Mariarty going out and

(52:02):
track and forth, but with supernaturalcauses. It's what you could just watch
Sherlock on BBC and they would bewhich which here's the sea. They're bad
guys, nothing like Mariar. Sohe writes no and they oh, and
he's like a murderer like a massmurderer, and then you have a detective

(52:23):
trying to track him down and hijinksand it's a back and forth, hi
jinks it is He's drops. Thatis very je I'm overwhelmed. I'm a
little embartered right now. I wantedsomething. I got ten others. I'm
like, hey, no, whatdo you guys think about this? I

(52:45):
got six different animals. It's like, it's like what anime fans are and
this is like what I don't know, man, My anime is the best.
And I walk in and they're like, are you hungry? Going like,
oh, you're hungry here, andthen I gave that's real, that's

(53:07):
not you know, as an Italian, I can get stereotype to generalize my
people. That is true. Youcannot leave an Italian's house without gaining at
least fifteen pounds. I mean that'swhat I've heard. All right. Oh
you know what, I was funfor trying to steer us back into what
the show is supposed to be,you know what. But he goes to

(53:27):
but he got the fifteen minutes ofanime. Tope, there it is.
Did it's true? Checkpoint cleared?That's and I was trying to keep it
cheering unlocked and we just kind ofwalked over like social media madness. Let's
go into commercial break. No well, no, no, first if you
want, and you can follow usand he probably socially men, that's not
here is Dog's favorite promo ever.Yeah, enjoying the show. I want

(53:52):
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(55:01):
Oh thanks for that, Don,And while you're here, I mean people
who are thinking the Level Nerds.Did John leave? It's like, yeah,
so we're missing here. Don wait, I just want to say done,
it's a good thing that the batteriesdidn't run out before you finish that,

(55:22):
right exactly, That's what she said. That is what she is freezing
anyway, Just kidding John, donplug plug please og. Level Nerds can

(55:45):
be found on pod being and Applepod app if you just want the audio.
But you do have a video showon YouTube. Just yea Omega Nerds
on YouTube, and yeah, likeand subscribe if you could. Of course,
Ray is joining me for our Mandodiscussion. So we also talked about
Black April O'Neil if you're interested inthat sort of thing. And yeah,

(56:06):
so check check this out. Cool, all right, Kristen, you got
anything to plug? Views on superherospeak dot com. I write books.
You can find them in bookstores.I don't do social media because I guess
I'm better than everybody else. Man. Okay, you're out a line,
but you're not wrong. Yeah,you can walk away. It's fine,

(56:30):
you know. Speaking of Black AprilO'Neil, we didn't. They didn't make
our showance this week. Did youguy think of the Ninja Turtles trailer?
Yeah, but yeah, it's NinjaTurtles. It's been rebooted over and over
again. It's like I feel like, I feel like it's another attempt to,

(56:50):
like, yeah, reboot it.And I don't like the aspect that
they're showing them as like bumbling,like they're like every every time they've been
introduced, they're already like they're notin training, and yet this they're making
it look like they're still learning,and it's just like, you know,
like I don't like that aspect.It is a property that it's been a
long time, so I figured,like another reboot, another rehash for like

(57:15):
those who haven't because I think thatthe last one thousand and six, right
or what Michael, Oh no,there was there was one just a Figures
Ago show and then yeah there wasone after that. I think it's dimnshing
returns every time. I'm sure,because you're never going to capture the nineteen
eighties Ninja Turtal Pizza Hut coming outof Our Shells tour. It's it's not
no, it's not coming back.So n I'm going to capture the nineteen

(57:38):
eighties anything. I got a sevenyear old that's incredibly excited about this.
That's what I was saying. That'sthe money they're going there, Like right,
who were just bored? No morethan five years ago. Yeah,
that's that aspect. But like somebodywho read the original comic, it's like,
yeah, this is so far fromthat at the time. Yeah,

(57:59):
but there's so many different It wasthe version quite frankly, twelve was though,
like before this one. Yeah,there was, actually that was almost
ten years ago now. Eighteen actuallywas the last one, you know.
I was an animated version. Yeah, no, the animated Rise of the
Teenage Meeting. Okay, just saidwhy not a killer Assassin? TMNNT.
That's the original one. I wasabout to say, read the comic,

(58:20):
classy read the original comic that theyjust kill people? Yeah, well then
throwing in right now that's going on. Or it may be done already,
but I haven't finished it. Whichone of them? It's one of them
is left? Which one is it? Mike Angela? I thought it was
a ske is a good book.Who's reading it? I enjoyed it?

(58:45):
Is it? Okay? I haven'tstarted. It's it's in my book.
So if you got Power Ranger stufftoo, so I don't tell you,
Like, if you want a goodmovie about that TMNT that there, there's
a it's a Turtles movie. It'sthe animated it's well, it's yeah,
it's really really good though. You'retalking about the CG one right, Yeah,

(59:07):
that really good? Okay, ray? Yeah, where can people find
the Grilla Brain podcast in a graveyard? You can find that past episodes of
the Grilla Brain podcast on any podcastingplatform that's out there. That's the Spotify,
Apple Music, all that fun stuff. You can also find me on

(59:28):
Twitch Monday, Wednesdays and Fridays atten pm EST and where you can watch
keep play games and talk high jinks. And yeah, that's about it for
me. All right, all right, I'm gonna suggest this here and now,
Omega level Nerds and Grill Brains justcombine to be the Omega Brain podcast.
But who has the bigger brains?See, it would be a constant

(59:50):
fight everywhere, exactly. I don'thate that name. Someone's got to take
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you know, I'll make a brainpodcast actually does have a nice ring to
it actually sound cool. Well,the Gorilla Brain podcast was, actually it
was when I first started. Itwas me and my friend we started a

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Bobby the Brain, and so Itook it and smashed it together and I
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(01:01:47):
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So I gotta you know, goingthrough calling through a thing right now,
I'll get it. I'll get itback. This teaching thing has been great
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So that's neither here nor there.All right, Well, now that Don's
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Then? Game? We already wealready canceled the show. We already canceled.
It's like Netflix, it just goton yep, yeah, come on,
you're gonna get one season a mandoand then it's canceled. All right,
you know what, let's take aquick commercial break. So Don and

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I can I ask for a commercialsuggestion? Can we get a commercial for
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heels and all that ship Can weget a commercial for No? What about

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Ruse the commercial the shoes with pocketsfor your stuff? So so we have
to remember Ruse they had zippers onthe shoe and they had like yeah,
yeah, he pleased to either cocainein there. And we're going to ignore
the comments and just keep talking.No, Frosty says, bless me.
Start is one of the best scifi shows. We're talking about the original

(01:03:12):
movie with the Kurt Russell movie Spader. Yeah, yeah, well the series
was also probably one of the bestsci fi one was saying otherwise properties of
all time. It was. Butmy comment on watch it all right,
I only have a couple of articles. We did talk to MNT. But
here Hassan brought something up. Idid not see this beforehand. Just in

(01:03:32):
case you guys didn't hit your radar, Punisher is coming back to Disney Plus
and John is that as the Punisher? So mad He's Daredevil what are you,
Daredevil reborn. It's gonna be it'sbe completely different on Disney Plus.
You know it, I know it. It's getting Disney fied. It's not

(01:03:53):
gonna be watered down completely, butit's not gonna be what it was on
Netflix. I don't know. Ifthey're bringing Deadpool three out, they might
like be you know, they've they'vegot that parental control in there now,
right, that's why. That's whythey've added the parenthical control, because they've
brought in the old series onto theplatform. I mean, yeah, I
mean I get I get what you'resaying, right, I really get it.

(01:04:15):
I yeah, I maybe maybe theand then Jessica Jones getting railed.
There's also Rose shows. They weren'tall great. I mean there were little
episodes and they sagged like hell inthe middle like they were. Yeah,

(01:04:36):
I agree with that. Although theidea of a disneyfied Punisher has this image
in my head of the Punisher's skullwith the mouse ears, and now I
need this in my life. Ifanyone is a graphic designer, I would
like to see that in a shirt. Please, I'll buy it from you.
It made a Punisher meets Archie comics, So I mean they could it

(01:04:57):
would do for an art project.J oh yeah, your design I forgot
about that. I have a wholearmy dry that's and I do think Gray
is right. We won't get JessicaJones being railed on Disney Plus. And
you can get it right now.It already exists, It's right. Yeah,
but I think she does go forward. Yeah, yeah, by it,

(01:05:19):
by it. But I'm just acage. And but here's the problem
with it. Day was that you'vealready introduced Daredevil on Sheahawk, which was
a you know, almost like acomedy show in a way. So you're
not going to have a dark andgritty Daredevil like you had before that Daredevil
was was like the same Daredevil technically, but a few years later where he's

(01:05:42):
kind of settled down, you know. But that's the thing. Like,
but the other thing is too iswhen they bring a character into a someone
else's book and the book has acomedic theme, they don't make that issue
of the book dark because that thatcharacters in there, like they do what
they did in the show. DefinitelyCable Cable, remember when Service was in
that that issue of Spawn. Yeah, and just he was black and white.

(01:06:05):
Remember that, so is that theone with is that the one with
the the it was like a littlemonkey on it ar. He's an art
varkar. Yeah whatever he was.He ran issues. It was a long
running book. That was. Thatwas the episode of McFarlane got in trouble

(01:06:28):
for right because he had Superman's capeand Batman's arm and Wolverine that you did
get in trouble for that. One'sgot more trouble when he brought Ellen Moore
and Grant Morrison to do stuff andyou know, yeah, it's what that
became a big thing. It's Marvelgot Angelo out of the whole thing about
that. Yeah, but if youbuy what Fun you can, you can

(01:06:49):
read and listen to those depositions andit sounds like boring. Except we've all
heard, like stan Lee tell abouthow he created the Marvel universe, but
you've never heard of the under oath. And it's a very different thing because
you should go to jail if youlie. Under oath can't work, Yeah,
exactly. You get to hear likereal figures and like real numbers,

(01:07:10):
so that kind of stuffs pretty interesting. Yeah, but I will I will
say for Punisher being on a Disneyplus. I will wait to pass judgment.
We'll see what happens, not againstit. I just I just don't
think it's gonna be what we thinkit's gonna be. Yeah, there's just
a long history of Daredevil being likeswashbuckling and like, you know, having
a good time, so they couldgo like for that kind of take.
I mean, he did slap ablack Widow's ass. Issue want to wait

(01:07:35):
like you wouldn't like you wouldn't.That's that's knowledge to remember Vegas. All
right, I will go searching nowthe internets, who was who was the
villain in that? Like LT.Gray or something like that. It was

(01:07:57):
he was very misogynistic in that episodeor that that a couple part of the
Ultimate Universe where like, yeah,you pretty much told Black Widow, hey,
babe, I needs you to lookthe best you cannon at smacks r
ass. It's fucking classic. Soso the other two articles I have this
week, we're both brought to myattention by John, So I apologize in
advance. You can pray w Idon't contribute. Batman Cape Crustater. We

(01:08:21):
talked about this. It's a newanimated series coming to when we'll get to
that in a second from J J. Abrams and what's his face? And
then the guys who did the othershows at Brubaker's the show runner. You
get a great Batman that's super underrated. Yes, agreed. But the problem

(01:08:44):
is is that it was going tocome to HBO Max. HBO Max passed
on it, and now it's comingto Amazon, and it's like, what
why is going to Amazon? Iknow because I'm trying to make money on
us. I got that money order. Discovery discovered that they are better at
creating content than hosting content. Sowith that, I don't know what that

(01:09:06):
makes for the future of of oldHBO Max, but they've passed on a
lot of those things. At leasta least we're gonna get to watch it,
you know, yeah, as atwo season order for Amazon. So
yeah, real quick, real quickthough, Randy, it's Daredevil one twenty.
Oh thank you. All you gottado is look up Daredevil Booty Smack.

(01:09:26):
There's T shirts and everything of it. Jesus criminal as you do so
class that you said you need thatthat scene. Just just read that issue
one twenty you could read that.I don't know, I think it's I
think it's weird that they would passon their own property. They got paid,
Yeah, I don't think it's animationis expensive and their money broke,
right, they need cash. Well, they need your content too, like

(01:09:50):
yeah, they need and they needcontent. Amazon streaming services one the absolute
worst out there. And I can'tand and I'm glad that most people have
Amazon Prime just for the shipping,because their catalog is garbage. It's not

(01:10:10):
just the catoc the interface for em. First off, it's hard to find
the Amazon Prime video interface. There'sno like you or ell for anything.
And second off, it is theworst interface of all the streaming surfaces period,
including Peacock. Like everything is betterthan that. Well, you have
to praise Peacock or you will getfired, So you have no I'm not
putting Peacock very up high. Youknow, I put it month into Peacock.

(01:10:33):
Okay, I've been I've been scrollingthough the Paramount plus the like app,
and like said, one of theseshows was like in nineteen ninety or
nineteen sixty nine, and I waslike, no, it wasn't, No,
it wasn't. This thing came outlike no, more than five years
ago. I'm almost one hundred percent. Sure. Yeah, but I'm like,
even even when I know something ison Amazon Prime Video, I cannot

(01:10:54):
find it, Like you have tolike google it to find it. It's
like use Google to search Amazon forAmazon. But I'm glad Amazon is buying
this because Amazon's original programming is theworst of all, Like the major streamers,
Oh Here Comes Down and Rings ofPower. I knew that. I
knew It's not power. I likethe boys like Invincible, Rings of Power.

(01:11:20):
Yeah, they got good shit.Got to look. I use pack
for Cheers, Chicago PD, JackReacher, not Chacreature and the Office.
I literally use it for nothing else. W w okay w w. They
are my late night viewing when I'mgoing, I'll say this about the Amazon

(01:11:44):
Prime thing. It's like I havePrime and like there's only a handful of
things that are free, you know, right, but like old movies you
got to pay for And I'm likewhy, like why it's also supremely irritating
when you go over to the farSuperior to Be or Pluto TV. I'm
not you know what, I'd eventhrow Crackle with a better movie inventory than

(01:12:06):
Amazon. The thing is, Iwould say, like if Amazon said,
you know what, you can watchUS three with a couple of commercials in
it, or pay US two bucksto rent it, Like I'd watch it
there for free with commercials in it. But well they do have paid with
that stuff. It's presented by IMDb. Oh yeah, that's right. I
forgot. I thought it was freeformed now that's all. There's so many

(01:12:28):
of these in Sony just needs tobuy them all. I'm sick of this
shit. Sony's waiting in the wings. Man. They're playing a long game.
They already they already gobbled up allthe anime. They're just waiting in
the wings. But yeah, Imean, because I think a lot of
people are looking forward to the series, so I am. I think it

(01:12:49):
looks great. Yeah, yeah,I mean, and I'll I have Amazon
Prime so I will watch it.I don't think HBO Max, you know,
as a streaming service, is gonnahave much destruded stuff about unless the
DC universe gets going. Did youdid you hear the HBO Discovery or Warner

(01:13:09):
Brothers Discovery thinks that the phrase HBOis a turn off to consumers. Yeah
that's yeah. And they want tocall it Max. Yeah, it's so
stupid. I love the people whorun this comor like letting Discovery, I
mean, like letting Discovery by thiscompany was like the worst decision ever.

(01:13:30):
They're so incompt like HBO was atone point the golden standard for like movie
it was pretty much it is whatare people talking about every week? They
talk about the latch us, Yeah, about the House of the Dragon.
It's still they still have all thoseshows right right, So I don't know
what the problem is. It hasfor twenty years, Like it's crazy.
It's the fact that they the factthat they might be thirty, but as

(01:13:56):
far as like creating, like creatingcontent goes, like creating TV shows like
Pranos was the first big one forthem ever since then, Yeah, they've
always had something rocket something I meanlike yeah, the fact that they have
some internal metric telling them that thereare new customers that are afraid to get
HBO is like, this is whywe can't trust math, right, Yeah,
math gives us nothing good if theyhave some type of number that tells

(01:14:19):
them that that is the most ridiculousthing I do. Algorithm is wrong,
clearly, I mean, come on, Hobviously they're sharing their coke with whoever
is taking it. It sounds likeit's a it's a bad corporate or corporate
survey gone wrong. You know,Oh, for sure, they didn't ask
the right question or they didn't askthe right something to ask a thousand people
and they're all like a nine hundredof them, they know. So it's

(01:14:42):
sometimes the survey. Sometimes the surveystell them exactly what they want to hear.
Right. It could be that theywant it that somebody in there wants
to change the name to hear revenge. Nothing though Home Box Office, now
that I'm thinking about it, itactually doesn't mean anything. It doesn't the
homebox it doesn't mean anything. ButHBO in and of itself is beyond the
acronym, right. It's a brand, right, right, and that this

(01:15:03):
is and this thing they they hadtheir presentation six months ago, like,
oh, Discoveries target customer is thisand HBO's target customer is that, and
you look at the difference between thesubscriber base and it was ridiculous. It's
like HBO HBO is like it's stillthe creme de la creme. But I
think it's the Discovery people who don'tlike the idea that they're the wicked stepchild,

(01:15:24):
even though that they own the company, right, because the Discoveries shows
they're all cheap garbage, like correct, correct, but they believe it.
But they believe in their cheap garbagebecause they put them in the power exactly
wherever we're going to put the nextepisode of Milk Island on, Right,

(01:15:45):
that's a Fox property if I've everheard one. Actually it's called that's what's
coming up to. It's ridiculous andvery fact John, Milf Island. I
God, I always hated you know, it's all scripted. There's nothing,
just so stupid John. He doesn'twant Hollywood milks. Damn it, they're

(01:16:08):
not the same. He was realmilks. No, No, what what's
that? What's that? One waythey're on that Survivor. I watched like
two episodes of the first season whenthat first came out, and I I
and then it's like after that,it was like no, no, no,
no, no, this this isthis There's no way this isn't partially
scripted. And I am never watchingreality TV again never. I just I

(01:16:30):
cannot get through an episode of anyreality TV. Sick for the human race.
Who I love milks. I lovea milf in particular. I love
that I've never seen a single episodeof Survivor. I take a lot of
pride in that you should be too. All Right, we got a movie
to talk about. We're almost anhour and a half in. What are
we doing? Where are we at? The news? John brought to me?

(01:16:55):
Right? Wait? The next seasonof What If is going to introduce
a new car character Native American namesnamed Kahori, And basically the story is
what if the tests Iraq had falleninto ancient America or ancient yeah, ancient
America unless they're doing Neil Gaiman's Marvelfifteen three. I forget the number that

(01:17:16):
Neil game, Thank you very much. I can never remember that. I
have no interest in this. Whyis this news? Though Native Americans have
had representation. I was gonna say, I was gonna say, it's the
beginning. It's it's weird that they'repushing this as news because a there are
Native American heros already, and belike what if? Stories are normally like

(01:17:36):
they take an existing story and twistit a little bit. This is you're
creating a whole new story, andyou're creating a whole new character that's in
a alternate reality that's never going tobe used again. Is it never going
to be used again? Dave?Is it though? Yes, anything wasted
in the Marvel universe, it's it'spart of the multiverse. This the story

(01:17:56):
is that they the test Rack fellto Earth way before it did in the
in the main timeline. Who doesfill? So like, it's it's you
know, I mean, it's it'sjust a it's a it's a what if.
There's no way. Ye god,no, I'm not gonna watch of
Labor of Love is not Sorry,that was one of the comments that came

(01:18:18):
up. I have to say,but I love New York In case here's
somebody that didn't know that. Yeah, anyway, No, it's it's just
it's another what if story. It'sa what if about the test Ract.
So it does go with that series, and it's just interesting that they,
you know, they're coming up withanother character and sending it in that defeats

(01:18:38):
the purpose of what if. Thewhole purpose of what if is to give
you the same characters in different scenarios. Yes, right, well, the
character in this case is the testRact. What happens if the test Ract
filled Earth before all of this,all the main marvels, it falls in
the hands of people I have noinvestment in Okay, I'm not right.
That's that's there. You go.You just said it perfectly. Dating.
It's like you the reason you watchwhat If, read the what If books,

(01:19:00):
it's you're already interested in these charactersand you just want to see the
different story or different aspect of astory. You already like. This is
like, yeah, we're just gonnamake something up. It's like you could
have just created a whole separate story, like why this is nothing? But
why would we waste the time orthe money to make a whole series based
on someone that we have no actuallike knowledge over, But we can throw

(01:19:21):
away a whole episode of what If? Any problem? Yeah, you got
a point. You point out,you don't have to do a whole thing.
We can just add like what happensif like the rings are like the
magic gems ended up in it likea kid thing and now they're all kids.
There you go. There, that'show I feel about this. That's
how this is how this comes.I don't I don't know. I didn't

(01:19:41):
like the first one episode out whatIf. There's the Soviet Union Avengers.
I'm pretty sure that was a comic. Yeah, well, I mean we
thought it was Superman, right withit, with that red sun. It
sounds good with k agent. Yeah, but this is nothing but headlines.
Literally, this is Marvel putting itout there, like leaking this ship if
you want to call it, aleague to like IGN and comic book,

(01:20:03):
you know, whatever, whoever.And then people read it and go,
oh, this is important. It'snot important. They're making it importance so
that you go out and buy thebook and storks talk about it. Yeah.
And when they're advertising for them,right, and it's a test balloon,
it's you know, they want tosee how people going to react to
this idea. So flag we shootdown that Charlie. They're just throwing him

(01:20:26):
up in the air like you guyslike this character and they get shot at.
I think it's a response. Ithink it's a response to Pray because
Pray was successful. That was That'san interesting take my work the Predator Prey,
that was what prey was. No, but now she has superpowers.

(01:20:46):
Yeah, okay, so you gotif the Predator was in this, I'd
be totally on board. The predatorversus a Native American woman with the tests
erect dude, that would be great. Yes, what the Predator. It's
gonna be that changes everything. Whatif what if the Predator got the tests?
Oh, now that's a story.Holy shit, Now you're talking a

(01:21:09):
cosmic entity. Oh my god.He would set up like murder worlds where
he was just be like the SecretWards where he would be all these superheroes
and then like they'd be fucked andthey'd be stuck in the world test.
Holy shit, this is like comingtogether in my head. It would be
amazing type yes, Oh my god, this is the best idea ever I

(01:21:30):
got. I got one even better. You know how the Predator is always
going after the most dangerous prey,right, Danny Glover, Yes, yes,
Danny Glover, it was the mostdangerous prey. Well, I gave
him that that musket at the end. Why don't we give the Predator some
kind of you know, tests,Aractor, Infinity Gauntlet or something, right,

(01:21:51):
but have him go and hunt celestialsand higher beings like that, hunt
the beyonder things like that. It'slike those are characters are like ciphers,
They're like boring. I love theidea of him. I love the idea
of the Predator versus like actual superheroeswho are like the Secret Wars, so
they all got teleported in front ofthis world, like, yeah, that
was great. Forget, that wasgreat. This is a phenomenal idea.

(01:22:14):
I think. I think I'm goingto steal it from you. You had
a future Marvel comics there, Jenny, Well, I don't actually, but
so let me just say that,I just if they're gonna do this the
indigenous thing, I just feel slightedas an X Men fan because we've got
John Proud Star or the Thunderbird warPath, they got Danny Moves words Sorge,

(01:22:39):
like, we can tell these storiesand actually bring the X Men into
it, which for whatever reason theywon't do. They must be ready for
me to die. I guess youleast our third dates Predator. I can't
believe that hasn't happened yet. That'sa great idea. Spider Man versus Alien,

(01:23:00):
that's great too. That was calledthe Symbiots pretty much was that.
You're right, it was. Thatwas exactly. That's why I was awesome
because that was started out awesome.Anyway, we do have a movie to
talk about, yea real quick.You said you complained about new ads.
I do have a new ad.We're well, so we'll take quick commercial

(01:23:21):
break and I play this new adfor you. All right, let's get
the movie that started at all,guys, that's what we're here at super
Mills. Yes, Superman. Ithink I think I think you and Randy

(01:23:43):
watched the wrong movie there jad wasit the wrong movie? There was a
lot of working movie at the timethat I normally would expect from a Superman
movie. Alright, So nineteen seventyeight, Christopher Reeve, Margot Kidder but
just based Marlon Brando and Gene Hackmangave us the first big screen superhero movie.

(01:24:05):
Of course, Superman the Movie.So let's go around. I'm kind
of curious. We have a lotof different age ranges here too. When
was the first time you saw thismovie? And did there anyone? And
I think the man in the boxnext to me would possibly be the only
one who saw this in the theaterwhen it first came out. Shake your

(01:24:25):
kids, So, John, whatwas the first time you saw Superman the
movie in United Artists Theater? AndI think it was Trumble, Connecticut.
And yeah, in my dad tookus to see it, me and my
younger brother who was six, Andyeah, I saw it in the theater,

(01:24:45):
not a double feature. It wasjust for that one. And I
remember it because it was like,I think, like, this Superman movie
is one of the things that startedme on becoming a nerd a geek because
it was it was pretty. Itwas so different from everything I'd ever seen
before that. Yeah, you know, but that's because you only had radio
before that. John, I didhave a Superman radio play. All right,

(01:25:14):
now, let's let's let's just keepgoing in the order of the boxes
here. So, Randy, doyou remember the first time you saw Superman
the movie? Maybe in the it'sgotta be before two thousand, right at
least, Yeah, somewhere around there. I think I saw it after I
watched the animated series for sure,the Superman animated shies and so what ninety

(01:25:39):
eight, ninety six nine in thenthe late nineties when I first saw it
twenty years after it came out,was the first time you saw yeah,
just because like, you know thishappens. Oh, that's it was My
stepped dad was probably watching like he'swe were watching Star Wars and then like
Superman was like right next to that, what's this one? Oh, you're
gonna love this one? And heput the John Williams Library. Yeah,

(01:26:01):
there you go, all right,j D. I don't remember not having
seen this movie, Like this issomething that I just grew up with,
Like I know, we didn't ownit as a kid, but I know,
I know I had to have seenthis in like WGN Sunday Movies,
exactly what I was about to say. Ye, I don't remember not living
in a world where Christopher Reeve wasn'trecognizable to me as Superman. And I

(01:26:24):
know I've seen it hundred literally probablya hundred times. Like I love this
movie. It's one of my favoritemovies. But for the life of me,
I cannot remember the first time,the first time I've seen it,
Okay, I can, yeah,right. Easter Sunday, nineteen ninety one,
six year old Ray sits digently onthe couch while his parents and grandparents

(01:26:45):
conversate after afternoon Mass. After church, Ray goes upstairs. And the TV
at my grandmother's house, you know, cheap ass don't have cable. She
has regular TV. It comes onw n u V TV fifty four at
two pm. It's going to besuper Man, and then it's gonna be
Superman two h on regular TV.And that was the first time I ever
saw either of those films. Now, keep in mind I had seen Batman

(01:27:09):
prior to that, so Superman's like, Hey, who's this guy? You
know what I mean? So youknow, I got to watch him back
to back because those people talk forever, and those people, I'm telling you,
man, my family could have hada podcast down in basement. I'm
telling you, set up a recorder. You got content for days. But

(01:27:30):
that was the first time I eversaw Superman, and then Superman two right
after Chris Thank god. Superman threewasn't nick God. Yeah, just like
JD I don't remember just probably mywhole life. This movie came out a
year before I was born, andso I think it was just on TV
all the time. Yeah, itwas just yeah that and like The Wizard

(01:27:54):
of Oz, like I don't memoryof when I saw because they were just
always there, Yeah, annually,just kind of always on it. Not
for me. I remember I wasin the theater too. Oh my god.
And how about you done. I'mgonna have to follow suit with most
everybody else you know on w gN on cable. I honestly believe this

(01:28:18):
was the first time I watched thetheatrical release if it was released before I
was born, about a year ortwo before I was born, so only
seen it on TV, which wassurprised. When I did watch the theatrical
release today, and I was justreally surprised that they showed Superman baby Dick.
I was like, oh, hey, nineteen was a much different time

(01:28:42):
Superman. And now the FBI isa member of Yeah, that's you have
this on your computer. You maybe committing a federal crime. Ar valan
hero speak, I think you shouldbe arrested for owning Superman three or four

(01:29:03):
more than oh man, that's fair. We were in different, different society
when this movie was made. Wow. Yeah, Classy said the first time
was when he was five in twothousand on VHS. Thanks thanks for rubbing
that in there. Wow. Hey, the kids love us. We gotta

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we gotta take that, you knowas a positive. He's twenty eight.
He's not a kid. He's akid to us. But yeah, so
I'm gonna say it's funny. Thereare there are two series of movies where
I saw the second one in thetheaters before I saw the first one on
like VHS, the first one beingEmpire Strikes Back. I saw the theater

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before I saw Star Wars, andthen Superman two I saw in the theater,
and then we had a copy ofGotta when we got our first VCR,
we got a copy of Superman oneon VHS, so that's when I
first saw it. And yeah,I mean I think the one and two
are two the greatest movies ever made. And yeah, definitely that made me

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a herd as as John said,it was different than anything I'd seen,
and it was like, oh,I like superheroes, Like this is good.
So yeah, I think and Ithink it holds up, but maybe
I'm wrong. Let's see. Soof course we get the council in the
beginning of all those heads what everyonewhat a council members is like listed in

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the credits like before Margo Kidder,She's like, yeah, she's listed.
Yeah, that's actually a key list. Margot Marco Kidder and Christopher Reeve were
not known at that point, right, and they were. And Superman's listed
third in his own movie after thetitle, right, And and Gene Hackman

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and Haman Marlon Brando's first, GeneHackman second, Yeah, and Richard Donner
before my movie. Brando was therefor what an afternoon. Come on.
But he's Marlin Brando and he's readingthe diaper, so yeah, we're going
to pronounce kryptony, right, that'sjust Marlin Brando being Marlon Brandon was like,

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I'm gonna say it like this andjust scrypton. I was thinking about
this, like how many people sawthat movie and thought krypton is how you
say it? Like after we neverread a comic or watch the original prisons,
mister. This translations make their wayinto pop culture all the time,
especially Yeah, but he pronounces it, he pronounce later, he's pronouncing it

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as krypton, so like everybody fromyou, Yeah, it's it's only pronounced
krypton by Brando and everybody else issaying krypton. It's just Brando is being
Brandon. Yeah, he's undirectable.You just let me be happy. He
showed up willing to play. Thatwas at the beginning. That was the
beginning of his That was the beginningof Merlin Brando's long slide. And what

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are the many many weird facts aboutthis movie. I've got he was paid
a hundred and twenty five thousand,I think in seven money for this for
this movie, and Christopher Reeve waspaid twenty five thousand. I think sandwich
because he's Christopher ree I'm thinking millions. I think it was one hundred and

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one hundred. There's no way hewas five. I to look it up.
But anyway, something like Marlon Brandofor like four days of work for
for like what fifteen minutes of filmwas paid way more than Christopher Reeve.
Well, yeah, but I meanthat he's Marlin, Marlon Brando, and
Christopher Reeve wasn't known at the time, so yeah, but Brando was already

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on his slide. It's but nobody, but he was winning Oscars and stuff
like that, Like this is MarlonBrando kind of peak, right, and
and he gives credibility. That's likehim the time when people went to the
movies because Marlon Brando and Gene Hackmanare in it. Yeah, not this
is French Connection a Superman movie.That seven million, He was paid seven
million. That's a lot of moneyin nineteen seventy seven. That's well money,

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that's a lot of money money.But he sued, he sued.
Marlon Brando sued the company later onto get a portion of the proceeds on
top of his salary. And that'swhy he was cut from Superman two and
that they finally they finally showed thatOh wait, mom, mom, his

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mom did have some recordings. Yeah, it's it's more they wanted more money,
Like they all wanted more money.Like this was like, remember,
this is not a Warner Brothers movie, right, This is all kind brothers,
this all kind of movie. Thisis this is an independent film with
a heck of a distribution, right, because they had the rights to it.
But Warner was like, yeah,but we're going to distribute it because
we owned DC. So this wasbasically indie filmmaking. And these dudes generally,

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they were really good at it too, of generating a lot of money
for these assents, like they didThe Three Musketeers point two and that made
a ship ton of money too atthe box office in the early seventies.
Right, So this is like whatthey did and they were really good at
it for a good decade or so. True. True. I mean,
and the think about like the effects, maybe they're not the greatest, but

(01:34:13):
for nineteen seventy eight, yeah right, and you know for an independent film,
like yeah, it's amazing, yeahyeah, I mean, nobody was
doing the stuff they were doing likeSuperman, like we can look back and
go ha ha ha. But Imean like most of the computer generated special
effects today don't look nearly as goodas Christopher Reeve flying right. Yeah.
Like I think some of the stuffI think maybe maybe I look back on

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this movie that's from Rose coubg Gogglestoo, because I love it so much.
But I think a lot of thisstuff looks pretty good. Not all
of it, but a lot ofit is aged for a movie that's damn
here fifty years old. Age ispretty good. Remember the tagline for the
movie was You'll Believe a man couldfly? Yeah, and they and and
before they did some of the effectsthat made into the movie, they had

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they had tried stuff like shooting adummy out of a cannon and painting him,
painting Superman on a on a sideof a plane, and they finally
had to go with lots of wirework and stuff. So well, why
it works the way to go,I mean because this is actually this is
the late seventies, So they weredoing the stuff from Kung Fu in China
film in China for a decade atthis point, Like they mastered wire food

(01:35:19):
work for a while, so that'sa lot of what they were doing is
they brought a lot of a lotof that stuff over here to an audience
that had never seen it before.Yeah, I mean just the scene when
he visits Lois's apartment and he likelands and then walks on like that is
so seamless, looks great. Yeah, there was a there was another technique.

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I forget what it's called. Ithink it's reprojection or something, or
your projection, rear projection. It'swhere you you tend a screen up and
you actually film, you actually playa movie behind it, so the screen
is translucent, right right. That'show a lot of stuff was done back
in the fifties and sixties. Sothat scene where he flies away and then

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and then Chris Reeve is all alreadyat the door knocking, that that was
that technique. That's how they gotthat scene was you know, they projected
him. Margot Carey was saying goodbyeto a projection screen. Yes. What
makes it look good school, Itmakes it cool is it's one seamless shot,
right, That's what makes it cool. Like if you cut away,
oh, it's easy to do.But the fact they nailed it in one

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shot it rules yeah, they dothat rear projection. It's cool, like
from as if from if you're afilm junkie, this movie is like it
sets the tone for like what moviesin the eighties would be when they really
started trying to push this in StarWars kind of go hand in hand with
what is possible in the world ofthe new era of special effect filmmaking.

(01:36:41):
Excuse me, so, yeah,it's cool. I love this film.
I adore it. What is Let'sso okay, let's let's think here.
I'm trying to think how to prisonconversation in a different way because we always
like do things like compare this toManus Deal and this was good. That's
about to say it's night and day, like you know. I was just
literally that's because Man of Steel issuper dark. I was just talking to

(01:37:03):
someone about the whole. Like JonathanKent. The difference between the two Jonathan
Kenton. One was likable. Onewasn't. Yes, fair, we're having
a compilation day, were right?I mean you had the one was on
for longer. The other one wasn't. This Jonathan Kent is like, you're
here for a reason. He's supportive. He dies of a heart attack and

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like, it's the most powerful lineI think of any Superman hero a movie
where he's like, with great heavcomes great responsibility. I have all these
powers that I couldn't save him,you know, whereas that boils Superman down
to his core. Right, Supermancan do all these things, but he
can't do everything. He can't saveeverybody, including the people closest to him.

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And that end of itself is almostthe tragedy of Superman and why Superman
is such a great character and peoplewant to strip it down, like,
ah, it's he's like a god, but yeah, he couldn't save his
death from the most human way possibleto die, right, And it's a
little bit in the end the stealstwit everything. Let's let me die for
no reason, right, Yeah,exactly. That's why it's two completely different

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characters at that point. But you'reright, does it cheap in the end?
I've I've thought about that too,Like is the lesson He's like,
I can't do any I can't savehim. But then he's like, you
know, screw everything, I'm goingto change time. Well save the one
woman I love well, Dave,that was done because they ran out of
money. That was not supposed tobe the end of Superman one. That

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just kind of happened, and youget a weird little book ends. I
can't play God except what I reallywant to, except when there's this chick
that's hot and I kind of gota thing for. Then I'm going to
turn back. Then I'm gonna turnback time, which I don't love the
ending, I really don't well thatand the running out of money thing is
personally why is personally why Donner gotfired right because he was over budget and

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they were they hated him or somethingfor that. Yeah, he was Also
he had he like filmed a bunchof extra stuff that he didn't need to
film, which was ended up beinga big part of Superman two. Well,
no, they were filming. Theidea was the song. This was
the Salkins. The same thing withOkay, sorry, film break, the

(01:39:13):
Saal Kids movie Back to Back.They did the saving with the Three Musketiers,
right, They filmed so much stuffwith that Three Musketiers they split into
two films. They got sued forthat by the actors because the actors were
only paid for one movie instead ofSo this is why they constructed the movie.
They were shooting Superman and Superman two, not even back to back,
but intertwined. They were shooting thembecause again in filmmaking, if you're in

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the Daily Planet location, you're goingto film all the scenes in the Daily
Planet right from one and two.So they were doing it with the movie,
and then they ran out on money, so they stopped shooting Superman two
and focused on Superman one, like, well, what are we gonna do
for the end of Superman one?And they said, oh, brand of
money, why don't we do theending we had planned for two, because
we see it a downer cut oftwo. He spends time backwards to make

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Lois forget that he was Superman.They just they just took that. Yeah,
I agree, it's not a greatit's not a great ending. It's
really cheap. And it does nothelp when people say Superman has these god
like powers, because even in thecomics, he's never been able to,
you know, change the course ofthe planet. Okay, so hold on,
he's fairly nerved this whole movie untillike that moment all right says the

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first thing I'm gonna say to thatis this is silver age Superman. Definitely,
Well yeah, I mean, well, obviously he got untill eighty six,
so that's like eight years or whateverlater. Right, Yeah, I
was gonna say he got he gotnerved in the comics a little bit after
them, right, I mean Iwant you to forget this, Yeah,

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or Kisser, I mean kisser,that's yeah, that's too, that's not
that's not John. Sorry, Chris, what were you saying? I was
saying that the John Burne run onSuperman that like started the modern age,
like in the comic book, definitelytakes from this movie, like hugely.
Yeah, for sure, feel verysimilar. Well, it right down to
the fact that the symbols, thesuper from Man symbol is actually a family
crest. Like that's where I thinkthis is the movie. That's where it

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comes from. I think this Yep, Yeah, it didn't exist before this.
It was always an es until thismovie. I also want to say
too, like I watched the theatricalversion. I've I've seen both cuts of
the movie, but this I didwatch the theatrical version this time, and
I do say taking out a gauntletscene does hurt this movie. I think
it does. That establishes his likehis power power level, basically bouncing bullets

(01:41:29):
off of walks through fire walks through. It also gives a lot of yeah.
It also it also gives a lotof people feeling like they're having a
Mandela effect, like aneurysm. LikeI I've seen this movie I don't even
know how many times, and likethere are people that have had arguments with
because like no Man when he goesdown to Luther's place, they like they

(01:41:50):
shoot bullets him and they freeze him. They're like, but it's not in
the movie. I'm like, itwas in the movie. I remember this.
Well. That's the thing is,there's different versions of this movie flown
around. A lot of them aredifferent cuts for TV because they had like
TV cuts this movie that was supposedto last two nights. Yeah they were
right, so they added yeah,so they added stuff back into the movie.

(01:42:10):
Like this is crazy shit from theeighties that they just would never do
today. Just have different cuts ofmovies just flying around the book right right
there, there's there's a couple ofyou're talking about the cuts. The Aliens
has a bunch of different cuts.There's a direct cut, there's a special
edition, there's a theatrical cut,and there's a TV cut. Best of
luck finding the TV cut. Ifound it on a VHS a long time

(01:42:30):
ago. And there's a bunch ofscenes that didn't make it into the special
edition or the director's cut or anythinglike that. These scenes are lost to
time. You might be able tofind them on YouTube or something like that,
but you really have to research it. But the TV cut was always
my favorite cut of Aliens, andI can't own it and it's shitty.
Yeah, Goonies is similar. There'sactually TV cuts of Goonies that have different

(01:42:55):
subplots worked into it. So andagain, they only know that because people
have recorded vhs. Right, youalready remember that weird Godfather one and two
cut they did for TV. Ido remember that together in chronological order.
Oh yeah, yeah, it's weird. They would kill Bill too, didn't
they. They did do that.They melted it together in the timeline were

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speaking of speaking of Godfather. MaryPuzzo is the one who did the original
script for this, right, Itgot written a little bit afterwards, but
he was the one who wrote it, wrote like the base of it.
But again, that's how you gotThat's how you get this movie made.
It's like, okay, we're makingSuperman. People go Superman. Yeah,
but Mario Pozzo, the guy whojust got the oscar for Godfather is going
to write it. Marlon Brando isgoing to play Jarrell, and g Hackman

(01:43:40):
is gonna be Lex Luthor. Peoplelike, are you kidding me? Like
Man markellis like, I will acceptturn Superman turning back time because even though
does makes sense, it works themanic. It does work the manic.
Yeah, I can't argue that point. I just don't like it. It
was Davidman had more to do inthis movie. Hackman just choose on scenery.
He's fine. I wish I justwasn't in it just sucks Otisberg.

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But just just to follow up,like after Mario Puozo gave the script,
it was rewritten again by David andLeslie Newman. But that's the But that's
not the cut of the movie.The cut of the movie we watch is
written by Tom Mankowitz, who,because of WGA rules, cannot get a
credit on this movie. You canonly have so many writers, so he's
called the script consultant. He rewrotethe whole movie. And this is actually

(01:44:25):
less silly version like the Poozo version, like Kojak is on their wave in
the people, and it's much morelike the man they wanted. They wanted,
really that the actor from Kojack tolike handle lollipop to man. Yeah,
something like that. But that wouldhave been they didn't want to know
they wanted to do to Gene Hackman. I think, yeah, yeah,
and then Donner comes on board.Donner, fresh off the omen, is

(01:44:46):
like, no, we're gonna takethis seriously and serious for seventies seriously.
If if it wasn't for Donner andhis serious take, I don't know that
things would have gone the way theyhalf of less like thirty. Oh of
course I agree. He's the onewho brings He's the one who brings very
similitude is the phrase who use onthe movie. Right, He's one who

(01:45:08):
brings this, you know, moreadult to take, not like adult as
a week we think of now,but I mean like this serious, more
seriously interpretable take of of an actualfilm to comic book heroes. There's an
interesting question here on the chat.Is Marco Kidder hot because she's I don't
go back pretty, but there aremuch more hot ladies in this movie.
She has what I call the ladygaga. On what I call the lady

(01:45:31):
gaga is that it depends on theangle that hits her face that if Lady
Gaga is hot or not, butit looks the looks. I'm with you
beside the looks. Now. MargoKidder is one of the people that made
this movie. She's good. Sheshe was really good at bringing Lois Lane

(01:45:56):
to life, just in the insome of the looks that she gave Clark
during some of the scenes. Likeshe she she brought that character life.
And the chemistry she had with withChristopher Reeve was really good. I mean
yeah, I mean like it wasn'tthat's her. That's that's the thing that's
what makes this movie work is thechemistry between the two of them. And
yeah, I mean is she hot, No, But I don't think that

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Amy Adams, Amy Adams, Butshe wasn't a good Lowest Lane the whole
disagree, disagree, sir, AmyAdams was a good low She's given garbage
to work with, right, Like, she's fine in what she's asked to
do. Right. But as I'mgonna say, the lowest in this movie
is your nineteen seventies female character wherelike she's screaming until the man saves her.

(01:46:46):
So like you know, from amodern standpoint, yeah, maybe in
some ways it doesn't work well.This this whole movie, and yeah,
it's really weird. The whole movieis mad at Superman for not showing up
on time, like where were you? I was screaming my head of the
car's out of gas? Now thoughall these things fine around me. Well

(01:47:09):
I could have just stopped the fuckingcar. But no, now that I
wait for you to come get meright kind of everybody as the whole movie
has. Yeah, the whole moviehas has like the seventies built into this,
like like like like like a Superman'smom whatever. I forget Martha.

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Not Martha, I mean, youknow on Krypton she she was given that.
The actress was actually, yeah,Laura, she was the actress was
a little up sick because she wasgiving no lines because here's Marlon Brando giving
this whole speech about I am givingyou this, here's all my thoughts and
feelings, blah blah blah, andit's like she's just a set. I
mean it did she. I thinkthe women in some of the scenes didn't

(01:47:57):
even have Marx like the crown ontheir dress, which actually thought she had
more because in that in those sceneswith Darrell like he was saying everything that
Pott was going to be positive abouthim living on the earth, and she
was like counteracting everything with ah,but this could go wrong that you say
that, because she actually had decentbut then she was told then she was

(01:48:18):
told to not say anything during MarlonBrando's speech, and like, because I
know, I know that was probablyYeah, he don't want to act off
of people. He just wants todeliver his lines and go home. Yeah,
very Alpatina. They told her thatso she didn't get smacked by him
or something. Because this back inthe seventies and by watching this movie boy,

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um oh yeah, I remember thescene where the Superman saves the cat
old and then the little girl goesinto her house and says, yeah,
yeah, she gets swept on,like not on camera, but you hear
the stop and see the shadow.I know that. I've seen like meme
videos where like they brush that outtoo, where it's like I told you

(01:49:01):
not the line that it is likefinally childhoodbut hilarious, we hear superhero speak.
Do not approve of child abuse.We do, however, find it
hilarious. It is funny the wayit blames out. It's like it's like

(01:49:24):
those baby jokes from the Dead babyjokes in the fifties, like these are
not funny, but they're kind offunny, Like yeah, like it's warped,
it's but but it's very seventies right. So it's so if you if
people watching this or listening to us, like decide to watch Superman the movie,
just remember it is like a lotof things, it is a product
of its time. You have toconsider the time frame when you watch this.

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So I had some issues because Iwas trying to compare it through Man
of Steel and this one. They'relike, yeah, this is better,
but they're still like technical issues.And I was like, because Krypton's in
another galaxy. The nearest galaxy toEarth right now is two point five million
light years away. Oh I know, I don't go this guy three years

(01:50:10):
so he got here in three years? Well no, no. Originally,
Drawer in the recording says I willhave been dead for thousands of years five
years. And I thought they gotlight speed right because because Kalel would not
have aged as much if you travelat light speed all the way here to
Earth. But then they screwed itup when when even at light speed it

(01:50:32):
would still take two point five millionyears. Well yeah, but we're talking
we're talking Krypton, so you know, maybe there's then they have hyperspace technology,
right, but I can Star Wars, they can pop in and out
of dimensions because we know the PhantomZone is another dimension. Right. But
but the thing, the thing is, they screwed it up. In my
head, they screwed it up withthe Lex Luthor thing is oh yeah,

(01:50:53):
yeah yeah. But then like themeteor showed up too, and I was
like, well that doesn't make anygoddamn sense either. Yeah, but they
was like crypt I'd say. Iwas like when they have Superman's ship that
has the Kryptonite with it and kind. But then I had the other problem
that I had a man of stealwhere it's like they had the colonies where
they could just leave and go dostuff. So Krypton in this movie still

(01:51:16):
has access to not only terraforming technology, multidimensional travel. Why the fuck are
they still there? Yeah? Whythe problem just lee for a month.
That's the belief that under mine control. Because they're sitting there telling Jerrol,
yes, we know that you're goodand that you're going to You wouldn't say

(01:51:39):
ship. That's crazy, but we'restill not going to you were my best
friend, and I tell you rightnow we need to get off this rock.
No reason that's to believe you.But that's wacky, and we're not
going to listen to you. Butthat's the thing. That's why I actually
I always liked that part is theywere there this it's a great little parable.
It's this universe at this planet that'syou know, figured out everything.
But they're so full of their ownbullshit sniffing their own farts that they can't

(01:52:02):
see their planet is going to explode. And the one guy that's saying it.
I mean, there's there's a lotto say about that, Like like
that I say, I don't knowwhat is Yeah, that's true. How
can you look at our current governmentand say, hey, this isn't believable?
Like no, they say it wasn'tbelievable. I was just like,
this is just this is what reallysaid to me more than anything else,

(01:52:23):
is like, we know we canget off this rock, but we're like,
no, let's smell our own fartsfor another ten more years, and
we do it. It's so likeit's like, what's actually the most believable
things Luthor that I had the issuewith was like Lex Luthor says, he's
the most, the most dangerous,the most genius, mastermind criminal, the

(01:52:44):
greatest criminal mind, the greatest criminalmind of our time. No one's looking
for him. Yeah, he's he'she's a comic. He's a concept for
two cops. And then that copdies and then no one goes after which
raises no further suspicion whatsoever. Nofor like, okay, good, maybe
they even subway pushers. They atleast investigate that. So the thing I

(01:53:06):
think would say to that is Ikind of feel like, at this point
in the comics, Lex Luthor isstill like a minor villain a lot of
times. It's right in the movieor in the comics. In the comics,
No, he's Superman's major villain atthis point in the comics, Yeah,
one hundred percent. He's Superman.He has has been late forties,
but it's not until like the eightieswhen we get the like current like business

(01:53:29):
man, yeah, yes, rightright now, yeah yeah yeah. And
I just feel like it's more ofan ego thing, like he's just saying
I'm the greatest villain of all time, not really is the greatest vill Yeah,
but well making sure that he's makingnotice that no one's looking for him

(01:53:50):
like he's They were looking for himthough. Don't you remember that when the
cops cops were the greatest criminal mindof our time? No, yeah,
but when they when they I know, but but they do know who Lex
Luther is, because you could makean argument, but then at the very
end they're like, d like,what do you got there? I'm Lex
Luthor? Who Yeah, wait,but any way, you could make an

(01:54:13):
argument that if he's a really goodcriminal, no one knows what he's doing
because he's not getting caught, right. It's true, you know that I
know Otis is working for somebody,but when we were following Otis because were
that somebody. I also point outthe technical issue of Superman brings Lex Luthor

(01:54:35):
right to jail at the end ofthe movie and doesn't. He doesn't get
to stand trial process and escape jail, so he's just returning into jail.
Superman told him to give him atrial. No, he don't circumt the
rules. You'll get a fair trialafter I beat you some more. Speaking

(01:54:58):
of masterminds, another another really nicefact about this mustache Gate. Oh,
yeah, yeah, there was.There was mustache. Gene Hackman would not
shave his mustache. He definitely wouldn'tshave his head, so you can see
him using a bald cap at theend, but he wouldn't shave his mustache
for this either. And so RichardDonner him and said, hey, if
you shave your mustache, I'll shavemine. And so Jean got his mustache

(01:55:23):
shaved, came up and said,okay, you shaved mine. I shave
mine. Now you shave yours.And Richard Donner, who had known,
I guess, I don't know ifhe knew that this was going to happen
or he was planned to something.He didn't have a mustache. He pulled
off the fake mustache right nice,So the original mustache gate. I just

(01:55:44):
saved me two million dollars anyway,So okay, I got product product.
More cringe to this movie than Ithought there would be, though. Okay,
So the fact that that when theyfake to the lady being hurt in
the car and then she gets basicallysurrounded by cops while one of them sexually

(01:56:05):
assaults her. You mean gane wasIt's Larry Hagman. Yeah, Larry Hagman
of I dream of Geanie and thenthat very same girl she's talking, she's
like talking back the lex Luthor,but before she does, she casually says,
like, there's no problem with this. Hey, I might get wrapped
in the mouth for this. It'slike like like super smacking her on the

(01:56:27):
mouth. There's only us another Imean, not if you're doing it right.
I'm sorry. I mean, it'sthe culture of the time, like
it is, you know it isit is cringey. Yeah, these days

(01:56:48):
it's definitely cringe. So the Apartmentpost Harvey Weinstein, like almost every everything
like that in this movie is cringey. I mean, like that's the thing.
Those times change. Yeah, ButI mean like if you look back
at any mood from the thirties orforties, you're gonna see the same thing.
There's gonna be a lot of thingsthat were acceptable in an era that

(01:57:08):
are disgusting now. And there's thingsthat for movies today that people can look
at fifties, But can you believethese people were like that? Like,
it's just times change. People change, and art should be viewed in the
time in which it was created.You can't you can't hold the question about
the nukes what the fuck were theydoing with those? Yeah, why would
they use why why would they uselive nukes in a test? And did

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they ever say that they're nuclear nukesthere? And they were just missiles to
be honest with the highly contest thephysics of him using one missile to split
the ends? Okay, why Istill have those? Anyway? I don't
know. Superman falls off a buildingin regular clothes and then boom, he's
in a suit a power that waswritten into him. At some point I
think, well, wait, thatthat could have been that that of all

(01:57:56):
the weird stuff that they made himdo, that could have been super speedily.
If there's criminal plot needed another rewritetoo, I think that's what I
was thinking. Okay, he's tryingto go a buy desert land and another
gonna blow up the West coast.It will be desert landed, it'll be
you know, it'll be property.Hey hey wait wait wait hey, ray

(01:58:16):
wait, you got anything like getyou get any complaints? No, there's
a part of it that wishes thathe used the kryptonite to power an earthquake
machine. There you go, andthat lowers the whole thing into the earthquake
machine. Here's the thing. He'sa mad scientist, really, right,
and mad scientists do stupid shit,that's right, And that's kind of how

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I write this off, is likea mad scientist plots like that's insane,
that's stupid, and it'll never work, but it does. It's the trope
of the mad scientists, which iswhat Lex for always was until Burne rewrote
him as the Luthor that we knowand love, most accurately played by Rosenbomba.
So this is this is that Luthor, a mad scientist, the one

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whose ideas are half half cocked andkind of stupid. Right, and Superman's
gotta be like this is never gonnawork, but that's the idea. It's
a trophy, absolutely, But thatcharacter was in this belief. This was
a stripped down version of the characterfrom what he was in the nineteen seventies.
Yeah, he was still smart andcunning, No, because he did

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get that cryptight necklace. Look,he was a superman. But you can
argue too that if he had themoney to do half of the stuff that
he did, like he could havefigured out a better way to make more
money instead of But that's why,right, Yeah, that that was really

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Yeah, he's a really all ofthis because he wants to make money in
real estate. Man, hey,okay, right, random factoid. The
cat in the tree. Get guesswho owns that cat right now? No
one, it's dead, no yard, Mark Miller owns it. Mark like

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Mark Miller ashes maybe stuffed stuffed.Oh okay, but yeah, man,
yeah that's that's that's a little present. I'm not surprised there to the guy
who wanted has that shot? Yeah, wanted war all right, I will

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see Jupiter's legacy. Yeah, Isee Mark Miller. It just the cat.
It feels long, the run time, just you feel it in your
bones. It is like like Lordof the Rings type. You know,
which one did you see Rado?Did you did you see the theatrical?
Even the theatrical it's like two twohours and some change. Like it's just

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feeling like there's not you know inmost movies, you know, you feel
the action and it kind of makesit go by a little pastor take like
John Wick or something for example,like that was the last one was like
an hour and fifty something minutes thethird one and you didn't feel it.
It went by like that Superman justthere's not a whole lot that happens,
so it just feels like it justdrags and tracks. Now I love movie.

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The editing style does that a lottoo, because there's a lot of
long takes right long cut. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of act
it's very much cutting that seventy stylewhere you pleverting play out in masters and
then you cut around to the performancesrather than letting a pace. But it's
steeper that way too. More dialogueis free. You know, a half
hour, half hour into the moviebefore you see Superman, right, like

(02:01:29):
yeah, so yeah. Ruso inhis treatment actually suggested that the guy who
plays Darrell should be the same guywho plays Superman because then you see the
guy in the screen and you don'thave to wait a half hour to see
him. They clearly the staw kindswith yeah, yeah, cool, we're
gonna get Martin Brando and he ain'tgot played Superman. Yeah, I put
it on a brave move. Actually, I wish we would get that more

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often in these days, where theythey're not afraid to have a different actor
and then instead of d aging somebody, you know, they have a different
actual like they did. Hear,because you're right, it's like, yeah,
it's like thirty five forty minutes beforewe see Superman in Lois Lane.
Christopher was only four at the time, was only four years older than the

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guy that played the younger version ofhim. You could have just changed his
haircut and put some loose clothes onit. That's true. That's true.
A lot he do. His performancein this is is really great. Like
you just watch him how he carrieshimself as Clark and then as Superman,
like Superman looks tall and they framehim taller too, like a lot of

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his but he does the performance isexcellent. He also bulked up for this
David pro David Prowse Vider builder likeyeah, and who played Darth Vader.
It was the guy who they hadto reshoot. Yeah, they had to
reshoot some some shots because his bodychanged so much that it didn't look right

(02:02:53):
in some places. Because we talkedabout It's Jackson, I've been there man.
Yeah, you talked about the shotwith the apartment where he flies away
and then he's knocking at the doorand it's all one shot. And then
in that same scene is you know, he walks, oh, we have
a date, you know, andGlois walks into the other room, and
like he takes his glasses off andstraightens up, and it's just like there

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is magic in that moment, becauseit's like there is a definite line between
Clark Kent and Superman, and it'sportrayed beautifully in that one moment in this
movie. My man is a Juilliardtrained actor and you can see it,
and like people just, oh,he was Superman, but he was a
classically trained you can see it inhis performance. And this by bringing such

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difference to these two characters, andthis Clark Kent is a little bumbling,
he's not very mild mannered, likehe definitely wasn't George Reeves's you know,
film noir Clark Kent, who waslike, you know, hard nose in
the TV show like that George thatClark Kent can take guff from nobody,
But it wasn't like he's a completeclode right right, Well, he's good,

(02:03:57):
he's great. Who was the gayspeaking of, who was the guy
who did what's the wasn't the directorwas the guy who actually did the composing
of the scenes. I forget theguy. The guy's name like he died
right after they made they finished thisfilm. But and it's the reason why
this looks so much different from Supermantwo. The cinematographer referent the cinematographer,

(02:04:17):
Yes, do you know, Ithought my head, I prefer I can't
even spell it. But but hehe was, he was like he was
really something special like Jeffrey Unsworth.Oh yeah, jeff d Yeah, so
like he was something he was likeamazing. And that's why so much of
this movie looks so good, Likethe backgrounds compose well with the foreground,

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and it doesn't look like there arejust on a sound stage like a lot
of Superman two does. Is becausehe passed away, are on a sound
stage, and they hired a comedydirector to finish it right. They had
to try to pause, They hadto try to That movie is basically a
giant exercise in editing, because you'retrying to cobble together a movie based on
what you already have and then youknow well enough of it so you can

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get around those pesky and you havea cut of the Justice League, and
then you hired someone else to comein and like most of the Justice League.
And imagine if it imagine if thathad happened, I imagine, I
imagine people would take that. Well, if that weren't happened, that would
have been a train wreck, wouldn'tit. And we talked about this before

(02:05:27):
Tom Studio. They did refilm alot of stuff doing Superman Too. Had
to that had to because the unionrules, right, and fifty one percent
had to in order for what's hisname that the director to get Richard Lester,
Richard Lester, order for him toget it, he had to have
fifty one. So there's only likethirty percent of donors stuff that's actually using

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Superman Too yet. Yet everyone's favoriteversion is the Donner cut matters and it's
totally consistent with the first only becausethe second supermanan is not totally consisted.
There's good stuff in the second supthe cut lest cut, but there's not
enough of it in my humble opinion, like it gets a little too silly,

(02:06:10):
like the Superman one. There's somesilly stuff Superman Too. There's tons
of silly stuff in it. Yeah, right, And and I don't even
know, like if you consider itsilly, I guess Otis Otis is the
comic relief in them. Yeah,that baby is a great actor, but
Otis is not Chris. You don'tlike Otis no thanks. In my notes

(02:06:30):
on my phone, I just wrote, Otis sucks. Oh you don't want
to live to Otisberg. You gottahave something. Have you ever seen delivering?
Yes? No Jo, John onlygoes down for family where union that
works? My family's from Ireland.Man if my my family uns involved people

(02:06:57):
who were in the IRA So okay, Oh anyway, Oh look there's cousin
O'Grady, the gatekeeper Huron let methink. Oh and then of course,

(02:07:19):
But I do think this isn't sillyness. This is what Christopher Reeve is trying
to invoke, Like was Errol Flynn. You know, the wink and the
nod to the camera type, Andwe don't get that charming as much today
in movies, you know, likeDeadpool is full of it, that's full

(02:07:39):
of cameras. Yeah, not's charming. He's not like I think that Robert
down Junior is Tony Stark could becharming time, Yeah, definitely, but
not I'm not quite like That's likeChristopher Reeve is so earnest, which Superman
has to be, right, theSuperman character has to be earnest, and
I think he does an amazing jobof r that's that's that's the thing too.

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And it's nothing against Henry Cavill,but I think that's why Man its
Field doesn't work, because he's youknow, he's brooding. He's not the
sad However, However, Henry Cavillcan't be charming as we've seen in other
movies. He just wasn't asked tobe because you know, darkness. Everyone

(02:08:26):
wants to be Batman. No,Seriously, the best SuperM we've had since
then was Dean Kane, you know, like as he's com welling is the
best Superman. Tom Willing was amuch better Supermann was good too, But
to get like that happy, golucky Superman type, like close to all

(02:08:46):
Stars Superman, that that's about asclose as you get. Everything else worse
has been kind of really George Newburn'sagain, give me super Man the animated
series any day? Oh yeah,I know that was Tim Daily m Daily.
Yes, yes, okay, no, yeah, you're right if you

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add animate to that then or animatedstuff, yes, yes, you're you're
correct. Tim Daly was perfect.He was great. Just Leak also great.
I don't think Brendan Roth was abad choice. I just think it
was poorly executed. The movie's reallybad. Yeah it is. I watched
I watched it after I watched thisone because I was like, all right,

(02:09:28):
I need to find out. Ineed to have an objective point of
like good bad Superman the Stalker.Yeah it's good too. They both got
a shivel of crystal action going on, so right, and it's both the
Land deal. Well, that's thewhole thing. It's the same fucking movie.
That's why it's so boring. Ohso boring. It didn't well that

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was what lifted heavy things. Thatwas all he did. The whole movie
was ran lifting heavy things. Thatwas it movie and spinning planes needlessly.
He left the whole tectonic plate.I forget the name of the woman who
played what was the name of theone who played Lowest Lane? And Superman
returns Bosworth. Yeah. Ye,she actually has zero charisma, zero personality,

(02:10:20):
and none of the spunk that MargotKidder brought to the Lowest Lane role.
Margot into a good job. I'mjust saying somebody said she was hot,
and I was like, but that'sthe thing. Those Koti to a
degree and green on with you onthat. There's times like I thought,
Margot Kidder in Black Christmas of thatship. All right, this one it's
like I think raised you know,angles thing is like, yeah, lady,

(02:10:45):
gat the Gaga paradigm if you wantthe got got paradox, Got the
g Yeah. Kate Bosworth great looking, but I think her career is pretty
much was done after this, rightbecause like people were like, oh,
she kind of sucks. Yeah,she wasn't very good and that nobody's very
good in that movie, but shewas Man. Yeah, Brandon Ruth got

(02:11:11):
his chance to redeem himself by playingSuperman in the Crisis. I actually like
that. That was again he couldhave actress can be good in things.
The problem is direction, and BrianSinger was not the guy to do a
Superman movie, but Donner was theseventies for what it was, for what

(02:11:31):
we don't. I mean, thismovie is such a changing pace to what
this film would have been under anyoneelse's hands, right, Kevin Smith.
On paper, that sounds like anamazing idea. It was not. But
no, but as his filming styleand as a filmmaker, it just doesn't
make sense at all. No,No, he couldn't do it. He'll

(02:11:52):
tell you he couldn't do it.He doesn't. Ye. Kevin Smith's pretty
realistic about like, I can't doa superhero movie like he Yeah, like
this script. I think we've allpretty much at least looked at the Superman
Lives script. It's all right,you know, it's full of John petersisms
that he has made famous. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.
I think my favorite thing about thismovie, my favorite choice is the costume.

(02:12:15):
Me too, think it looks great. They just they overthink them so
much. Now there's all these liketextures and all this. It has to
be realistic. Like, no,it doesn't. I don't care. It
looks every costume now looks like itwas designed by Jim Lee. Like there's
way too much thought play into it. Yeah, yeah, Superman, this

(02:12:35):
looks like Superman, Like even JimLee had to fuck with it and give
him a narrow colorado. It waslike an I remember having with someone and
I think we're probably talking about theSuperman Returns costume where the cape was like
plastic or rubber and and like,and it was just like, well,

(02:12:56):
someone was like, well it makessense, right, because you gotta believe
that it's gonna sur right fire,And I'm like, we're talking about a
movie about an alien from another planet? Who's why? This is why roll
my eyes When you guys talk aboutthe physics in a Superman movie, I'm
like, it's come in, likeit doesn't matter. You know, the
materials are from I wanted to bringit up just for a second because the
timeline didn't make any sense to me, and I was like, Okay,
well man, who you can fly? Who cares? Moving? Only technically,

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Randy, it didn't say krypton nineteenninety two classies. He likes the
airplane scene Superman Returns. Yeah,because it's the exact same thing as the
helicopter scene in Superman, just ona bigger scale trailer and the comedy was
the only sense of action at allin that movie. What a boring fe

(02:13:41):
Wait, there was an airplane scenein the animated series too, it was
and I believe in the burn Manof Steel, I believe that's how he
makes his debuts, saving an airplaneor something. It's a Superman meme.
He's always catching planes falling out ofthis guy, so that's what he does.
True. Yeah, he saved theplane in this one. Although train

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has anyone else written on a trainin America because they're really slow. I
think I might be faster than alocomotive. Yeah. Actually, I like
the scene in this movie with theplane and Air Force one and he he
saves it, and I just lovethe pilot, like we got something.
I ain't saying what it is,your just fly because say it out loud.

(02:14:28):
There's some good writing, Like there'ssome good one liners like Tom Mankwood's
damn good writer. Yeah, yeah, definitely the human Like that's what Magne
makes me work. Is this thisgiant concept of this god amongst men.
But what makes this movie really,like I said, we're working, is
these human moments, those little toucheslike I ain't saying what it is,
just fly like, you know.Stuff like that makes it work because it

(02:14:52):
feels very grounded. It feels veryhuman. Right that they hired a co
pilot who has zero interest or inanything too. I also about like how
he's like an aw shucks like farmboy, how he's not very seventies.
That speaks to the whole like Supermanbeing like out of you know. Yeah,

(02:15:16):
yeah, she's like I don't knowif anybody I know it's actually comfortable
saying swell classy. Problem with theelevators, you know line that I was
actually gonna mention too. I thinkthat's one of the things I love about
this movie too, is the montageafter he saves lois of him going around
and stopping crimes, and then itends with him, like we talked about

(02:15:39):
the scene he saves a cat froma tree. Like he can, he
can take a boat out of theharbor and bring it to the police.
He can, you know, stopa criminal who's climbing a building, and
yet he takes the moment to savea cat, you know, And it's
like, again, that makes himrounded and human and makes him Superman.
But but it's the same. That'sthe same thing when they do the scene

(02:16:00):
of No Man's Land with Wonder Woman, right, that's everybody loves that scene
because it was a superhero standing upand saying I'm going to save people and
just doing it. A hero inthat movie. Yeah, right, So
the same thing with him, It'slike he just went around saving people.
He just did, you know,did it because he wanted to save people.
No, no convoluted backstory or oror or plot to make him do

(02:16:24):
something or involved. Just here's Supermansaving people. You want to see that
that's what people want to see whenthey go to see this. Yeah,
they don't want to see things.They don't want to see destruction, porn
of him destroying what tropolis? Right? That everyone's dying? Yeah? Yeah,
man, a superman that doesn't thatthat doesn't commit like mass destruction and

(02:16:46):
violence. Not too true? Thatis true? All right, Well we'll
save that conversation for another day.So let's let's just wrap this one up
because I think you know, it'slate, it's getting late, we're all
tired. So I'm gonna go aroundthe room. I'm gonna ask two questions,
like does this movie hold up toyou? And where do you rank

(02:17:09):
it in like your superhero movies?And John, you can go first.
It holds up Okay, you know, like I am, we've all become
more sophisticated with what we look forin a superhero film. So there's a
lot of plot contrivances in here,and a lot of stuff that sort of
bug me, but don't but I'vegot the old I saw this when I

(02:17:33):
was, you know, really reallyyoung, goggles on, so and and
and let me say this, thismovie wouldn't be as popular. We probably
wouldn't wouldn't be talking about it atall if it wasn't for John Williams score.
Like God, I mean, that'ssincerely, you know, like the
whole an old man thing to say, I thank you, But I know,

(02:18:01):
I know, don't see a moviecalled Jaws for then. I know,
but that was still that. Comeon, the score, I know,
the score itself makes this movie,though. Come on, you can't
imagine that, a big budget movielike this with anything less than that garden,

(02:18:22):
right, the galaxy. Well theyused all old music for that.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.Imagine right, but they use really popular
music for that. Like the musicmade it, so you can't imagine it
with different kinds of music. Wellyeah, but I all right, fine,
you know whatever, just on right, going on, going on just

(02:18:48):
slips into the chat I think itdoes. Where do you k it?
I'm I'm rinking it, you know, I near my top I'm saying,
I'm saying my top ten, youknow, just because without this movie we
probably wouldn't have gotten like a resurgenceof hero movies. Because the people saw
this when we're my age are nowthe ones that are like, oh,

(02:19:11):
we're doing this. Marvel's a bitchof Ken Figgy was like, yeah,
it's like he's he remembered this.And then when he got the chance to
go to Marvels like, oh,I'm gonna do this. H worked for
start h there you go. Soyou know there was you know, yeah
one of them learn all right,everybody, Okay, that's the Hall of

(02:19:39):
Fame statistics. That's all right,Randy, how about you? I so
I put this movie on a shelfwhere it sits with other movies that like
it's like, yeah, that's amovie no one can touch, no one
can remake that because and in thattime area that's in that sphere, it
was really really good it but likeit's like, uh, what is it?

(02:20:03):
It's like your first girlfriend, right, It's like she's a wonderful human
being. She's a great personality.We didn't actually do anything, but I
still occasionally once or twice think abouther and wonder what she's doing. But
there is an infinite amount of pornnow, so I just ak the Marble
universe, ak the Marvel universe whereI could just slather on and just fill

(02:20:28):
my eyeballs filled with like just themost grotesque stuff, and sometimes it makes
me feel cheap. So then that. Occasionally I'll look back at the first
time it's like, yeah, that'swhen it was wholesome, That's when it
was was right. But now it'slike, you know, that's it's that's
where it sits over there, AndI can't. I cannot rank the two
at all because it has to sitover there next to where all the wholesome

(02:20:52):
stuff is. But now you know, I'm gonna go back to porn and
like, look at all the othercool things I can. And I love
that it's got a giant purple thingand and stuff like. So, ladies,
got a part? Are you watching? Man? Hey, he's thet
would have brought it out like Ididn't. That's the only fans I'm I'm
subscribed to. Then he is single. If you're interested, please yeah,

(02:21:16):
I wonder why. All right,daddy, you can follow that up.
I have a good fault to it. I married my first girlfriend, like
my high school girlfriend, and I'vebeen together for twenty five years. So
this kind of explains where my thinkingwith this is to do it to piggyback
off Randy. This movie holds avery special place for me. I think
as a film, we don't getwhere we are with comic book movies without

(02:21:39):
this, I think it holds up. I think it's a product of its
period. But I think all artis and should be viewed as such,
right, Like I guess pick Imean, for Stephen King, Salem's Lot
is very much a book written innineteen seventy five. I love it,
but it's very much that book.So The Superman is like that to me
too, and I think that's whyit works. Rossi's first girlfriend cheated on.

(02:22:00):
I'm sorry to hear that, myfriend. I love this movie.
I think it does hold up.I think that it is not. It
is not an action movie, andyou can't go into this movie thinking that
it is. It's a character study. And I think if you, if
you appreend, which is what moviesthis era really were. We didn't really
have action flicks like that yet,right, So if if you go into
this movie looking at it like that, I think it works. Right.

(02:22:22):
I do think there's stuff that hasan age, well, but I think
more stuff has so for me,it's still like the quintessential superhero movie.
It's in my top five some daysit's some day it's my number. I'm
not good at ranking things. I'mI'm not committed enough to like this is
the best thing ever. I justI don't know. I'm it's a mood
thing for me. So this forme is like Special Ray. I mean,

(02:22:46):
it's no Guardians of a Galaxy too. Yeah, there you go,
Green Lantern, No, there yougo. I do really enjoy this film,
but it's not a movie that Ipull out every every year, or
even every five years. Maybe onceevery ten years. I'll go through a
little super manothon and then that'll beit, and then I'll put my Superman

(02:23:09):
shit away and come back in anotherdecade like Mortal Kombat. And I don't
know, I really do enjoy it. I love the characters, I love
Gene Hackman, shooting scenery, theentire movie. I love it. But
it's in the top of my superheroescalon. No it's not. It's just
not my kind of superhero movie.It's it's not it's not made for me,
like like dark Man was made forme. You know, I don't

(02:23:33):
know, it's I just don't wantto be like a hater like Superman.
You know, it's not that goodof a movie, and then have the
entire internet jumped down my throat.But I don't really give a fuck what
you feel. But it's just wellno, I mean, like, like
I said, the reason why it'sin my top ten is because it's literally
like stamped into my childhood because it'sbut it kind of has right so and

(02:23:58):
it does. There is nostalgia likeplays a huge role in that. And
you're right, if you compared tostuff today, it doesn't really hold up,
which is fine for somebody's younger.I mean, yeah, I understand
what I saw the movie when Iwas six years old, Like, there
is nostalgia there. It's just notmy kind of Superman. I'd rather watch
Batman eighty nine than Superman Man.Before you saw Superman when you were six

(02:24:20):
years old, I mean, likeyou know, see I did know I
would see that the year later.I think this movie's aged better than Batman
eye and I like Batman then Batmanreturns. It is better than Batman.
We've already had that discussion episodes inthe in the archives, guys love h
okay, chriss, how about you. Well, there's no penguins shooting missiles

(02:24:41):
in the movie. It does,it does hold up very well. I
think. I like how it's notperfect. I don't like perfect things.
I don't think they exist. Ikeep it in the same area that I
keep Ghostbusters and all this stuff Isaw all when I was a kid that

(02:25:01):
I love you. You know,I'm not gonna rank it compared to modern
stuff. It's it seems like asilly exercise, like to me personally,
because I just I don't know.My brain doesn't work that way. Yeah,
it's not a movie for you.No, I like it. Yeah,
you like that. He's not gonnayeah, all right, I'm not
gonna make a list. Don Iknow. You've got three hundred a lot

(02:25:24):
to say about this movie. BloodShot. Does this movie hold up?
It does not to me. Itdoesn't to me, And I will say
that I know that I have somebias because as I was watching it and
I saw them shoot baby Superman off, I'm like, oh, these effects
were just I compare everything to StarWars and what Star Wars was able to

(02:25:46):
achieve at that at the same timeas this compared to what they did.
It just it took me out alittle bit. Yeah, but you also
have Fox funding this movie and distributingthis movie, and then you have an
independent, little little engine that couldoverhear doing the best they can with what
they got. I understand, andI'm trying to take that into account.

(02:26:09):
Where this movie has strengths for meis the development of Superman Clark Kent.
They really took a lot of timeto sell to you, like, he's
not gonna lie, He's gonna dowhat he says he's gonna do. He's
this is a good guy. He'sa god, but he's a good guy
and he's going to save all ofus. So it really did a great

(02:26:31):
job of developing the character of Superman, the character of Clark Kent. But
outside of that, that's it.I really like, I'll never watch this
movie again, to be completely honestwith you, there was just a little
bit too much plot contrivance. Youknow, Lex Luthor manages to Outsmart use
Superman's good nature against him because right, Superman could have came in and Injustice

(02:26:56):
Joker punched let right, and thismovie's done. But he doesn't. He
comes, he tries to, buthe goes. He talks to him,
Oh, yeah, I found whatyou're looking for in this led compartment.
Oh it's kryptonite, and he throwshim in a pool and just forget right
if he just why didn't you justclose the box? Like I just now

(02:27:22):
thought about that. It's like,yeah, see lead and the radiation from
the kryptonite can't get him through ladbecause it affects him immediately and he's weak
as soon as the radiation. Iwas thinking about that when I was like
in Smallville, Like the first episodesmall the tiny bit of kryptonite messages with

(02:27:46):
flexibilities, but like season seven,it takes an entire vault of kryptonite to
get to where he was in thefirst episode where it's like, oh shit,
well don't you build up a tolerance? Right? Yeah? He does,
And I like, so that's whyhe's that way because it's the first
time he's seen it. But again, you have why not have to wear
with thals Like if I can't seethrough lead, then there might be effects

(02:28:09):
that this can't get through to meas well well, because because he's gitting
there and I'm just like all right, yeah, he's definitely not expecting a
piece of his home planet. Youknow, I get that party the box,
So but beyond that, the otherthe real Okay, the biggest reason
I wanted to watch this movie againis Lowest Land Get Buried Alive. That
was a hard scene for me toget through, not as hard as to

(02:28:31):
kill Bill Texas funeral scene where shegets buried. I can't imagine that shit.
So I'm never gonna watch that again. For that scene alone, it
just freaked me the fuck out.But anyway, Radolds got buried alive once
Batman gets buried alive in their comics. So the storm at the X Men

(02:28:54):
film franchise got buried alive. Ohit's so dead still there, Superman come
turn back time? But yeah,turning the Superman turning back time, that's
a little much. It was likeah. And then the other thing was
Lex Luthor removing his wig at theend. Why the whole movie he has
hair? You're right, right,nobody knows who the fuck Lex Luthor is.

(02:29:18):
You know, why are you revealingyour bald head? Like we're gonna
be like, oh that guy holy, because that's something for the comic fans
at the end of the movie.I know, I know, I'm just
so that's what that is, Okay, Yeah, yeah, I wish it
was bald the whole time too.That I did not remember that they had

(02:29:39):
Generals On and his crew in thismovie. I did not remember. That
makes sense. Jade. Now thatyou say, because something like they were
setting up a universe, but yousaid they were booming them both at the
same time. Very rare for amovie in the seventies ten to do that,
to set up set up, toset that up. So I thought
that was cool, so very rare. Before it's like Curse of the Superman

(02:30:01):
movies. You have to create afranchise somehow. You just have to keep
going listen, and it's just thefive hundred episode. Wasn't this show created
by Batman v Superman? And nowokay on Batmanvie I'm an idiot, but
the point still stands superhero speak franchise. So there you go full circle.

(02:30:24):
We hated it so much we hadto tell other people yes, yes,
because it's all right, Well,don you couldn't be more wrong real quick,
class, He said, I wanta Superman movie that takes place during
the Vietnam War would be an interestingstory. Not everything needs to play take
place in just go read Watchman.That's just I just that's just what I

(02:30:46):
wrote him exactly. You see FinalFrontier, Final Friend, there's an animated
movie, the Final Frontier from DC. You'd like the New front Frontier from
New Frontier. Sorry sorry missing startrek up our Trees. So I'm going
to say that I think it holdsup again, I'm with JD. It's

(02:31:07):
a product of its time. You'vegot a view it that way. It
works perfectly in that sense. I'malso going to say that, from my
money, this is the only franchisethat got well before we get the three
and four. They got the characterof Superman correct, like they they They've
screwed that up so many times inthe movie since then, it's like,

(02:31:30):
it's ridiculous. I don't And we'vehad this conversation a million times on this
podcast. It's Oh, people can'tidentify with them. Yes, they can,
like people like a hero story,they like a good guy someone will
look up to, but they're afraidto do this story today. Um and
yeah. So I mean for me, I ranked this probably in my top
three movies of superhero movies definitely.So yeah two, and then what else

(02:32:00):
Spider Man two is top escalon?Go ahead say dark Man No, no,
and and and no. It's TracyShadow like that movie. And I'm
gonna get comments about this, butit's civil War. I think for me,
would you say, would you say, David Green Lantern, My my

(02:32:24):
ears heard Green Lantern. Would youhear anyway? I heard the Phantom with
my vampire hearing. Yeah, theTV show Animal Animal Manimal, Return of
the Swamp thing, the made forTV Doctor Strange. I done, yeah,

(02:32:50):
yeah, yeah, and you wereright. Spider Man two. Al
Right, so let's let's wrap thisone up. Let's go around the room.
Has anyone got any recommendations or anythingthat they learned on the podcast.
We'll start at the bottom with mygood friend, who's so wrong about Superman
two? Don Superman two? Supermanthe movie? Yes, Well, what

(02:33:16):
I learned this week by watching theSuperman movie is really just how different our
culture is from those times with thelittle girl getting smacked because she dared tell
her mother that Superman saved the cat. Well, then then we've got Lex

(02:33:39):
Luthor's sidekicks. It's just you know, casuill say, I might kids smacked
in the mouth for this, butso I was just I was culture shocked.
I guess it's three years before Iwas born. I only saw it
on TV, so I never sawthe theatrical cut, so I don't even
think I even heard that. Theysay, Hell, a couple times in
this movie. I didn't see thatbefore. But nonetheless, there is a
culture shock, is what I learned. Seventy seven is just eight thousand worlds

(02:34:03):
away from two thousand and twenty three. Okay, all right, Chris,
did I learn something or do youhave a recommendation. I didn't learn anything.
Yeah, Marble has been doing theseMarvel master works. But they've been
doing these mighty Marvel masterworks. They'relike six by nine three prints of like
classic stuff. There's about twenty ofa mile right now. This Daredevil one

(02:34:26):
just came out this week. CaptainMarvel came out last month. They come
out about once a month. Thelast of the Dip Coast Strange stuff came
out. They're great pre order ona pre order on a comic book story.
You can get him from like eightbucks. They're a really good deal
if you want those like classic stories. Plus, if you pay eight dollars,
you can kind of just scam oversome of that Stan League options.

(02:34:48):
You don't have to read every singleword. But yeah, that's my recommendation.
It's hard. It's hard for meto read old Fantastic Four comics because
they catch you up in every episode. And this is read Richards and he
has the you know, they justthey do it with every character and set
everything up. Ye, every comicwith somebody's first comic that was Yeah,
that was the Creed back then.For anybody that just came and pick one

(02:35:09):
off the wreck, they caught youup real quick. But it wasn't real
quick, no. But anyway,there are a lot of funny pages.
You spent three or so if youget them. If you get them at
the comic bookstore as opposed to Amazonor something like that, you can get
the like original art for like thecovers, the new stuffs. Okay,
but it's just like I don't know. Yeah, when I had the Marvel

(02:35:31):
Now app or whatever it was called, I never read anything new. If
it had to been like below ninetyfive for me to you can go in
and read it, all right.Well then how about you, Ray,
Did you learn anything or do youhave any recommendation? Did I learn anything?
Yeah? I learned that you needto play longer commercials because I've had
to pee for like an hour anda half. That's why I said.

(02:35:52):
But it yeah, like just tryingto concentrate. I'm not gonna piss myself.
I don't know it's Superman the movie. I think you guys hold it
in such a high esk a lot, and I respect that it is a
good movie. It's not a badmovie movie by any means. It's just
not for me. And I loveSuperman, you know what I mean.
But it's just the pacing and theI don't know, it's just really corny

(02:36:16):
to me. It is, itreally is. It's just not for me.
And I want to say positive thingsabout it, but the action sequences
are laughable. The wire work istolerable. You can you can see glimmers,
you know, like this little pieceof metal. You know, you
can see glimmers. Sometimes it's justSuperman, you know. It's it's always

(02:36:37):
gonna be legendary, it's always gonnabe classic, but not in my heart.
That's all all right, it's afair take. You agree with me.
I'm a Jerry Curl Superman guy allthe way. Baby, give me
the mullet Superman any day. Sothere's two comments directed at you, JD
in the in the in the chathere, did you read Spider Man Life

(02:37:00):
Story by Chips and Arsk No.I was recommended it though, and it's
on my list of stuff I gottaread. I've heard it's very good.
You should read that. It isvery good. An off topic and I
listened to the interview with Mike TysonUndertaker. It's really good and so interview
I know I have not I actuallywould like to listen to that. I
don't think has ever been interviewed byanybody and not be interviewing. That's true.

(02:37:22):
Mike Tyson is a great interview.I think I love this movie still.
I know it's got a good spotfor me. You know, for
me, character is more important thananything, and I think this movie has
it in spades. It's it's flawed, but I like flawed, like I
like flaws in art. I thinkthat's what makes art interesting. Like this
quest to attain perfection just leads peopleto go crazy. So for me it

(02:37:43):
works. I like it a lot. As far as recommendations go, I
just finished Black House by Stephen King, the sequel to The Talisman. Highly
recommend that one for my my consonreader King fans. Was really fun.
And that's about it. I gotto catch up on some TV actually,
so I'm way behind on that,especially some Mandalorian like binging, like so

(02:38:07):
yeah, I'm gonna just I'm aglamano what JD said, there are good
things about the original Superman. It'sjust it's now have been almost fifty years
since it was made, and youknow, we still haven't gotten it as
good Superman since, which is kindof sad. Yeah, not in a

(02:38:28):
live action version, animated version,done, perfect TV version almost there.
Just put a damn suit on kid. But Smallville Saville, I like Sae.
I love the smaller scale stories.I do too, Yeah, like
small small Bill is fun. Andthen like listening to their podcast about it,
I just he seemed like really outof it the whole time. But

(02:38:50):
so my recommendation is going to beSupergirl Woman of Tomorrow. Started reading that,
I'm actually like I teared up alittle it. I was actually like,
oh, it's it's because that's whatI was told. This is gonna
be the next thing if James Gunngets his way. Oh yeah, this
is gonna be the from last yearthat is pretty good. Yeah, this
is gonna be the comic that helike he's gonna base it off of.

(02:39:13):
And if that's the case, it'sgonna be pretty good. It's basically just
like, because all this iterations ofSupergirl I've scene, she's kind of like,
oh, when's it going? No? What? Then this one she's
kind of like like if Audrey Plazacould play Supergirl, that's what I Oh
my god, yeah, oh mygod. I'm so sick of this shit.

(02:39:35):
Like I just wanted to have adrink. That's the only reason I
was here. And now I'm afucking quest And the next panel the wording
is and then everybody died, andlike I say fucking quest in the comic,
it's like I had to blank outthe word fucking. But holy shit,
all right, cool, Well I'mbuying it right now. Then on

(02:39:58):
your on your say, so,okay, how about you? Oh good,
it's pretty good. John. Itrying to learn anything new, Yeah,
I'm I'm I'm well, I'm anold dog. New tricks don't match,
you know. But well now I'mgoing to read was a Woman of
Tomorrow. But otherwise yeah, no, I don't know. There's only I

(02:40:18):
only have one recommendation. It's anime, of course, but it's out of
Very infrequently do I come across somethingthat's well worth watching that's like brand new
that they've converted to anime. Thisone's called The Magical Revolution of Reincarnated Princess
and the Magical Genius or Don JohnJohn Yeah, yeah, yeah, fucking

(02:40:43):
I don't go the Magic Revolution ofReincarnated Princess and hey anime as her brother's
sister mother who does a thing Iknow as s JD. There's there's a
lot of really neat titles that,oh, it's a gag on the show
at this point. Man, Yeah, I keep bringing I try to bring
him the cream. But it's it'sthe storyline on this is like, it's

(02:41:07):
I hope they have more seasons becauseit is just way deeper than you expect
from from the standard cadre of anime. They're they're pushing out every you know,
was it every season? Now?This this is this makes you think
a lot, and it hits youin the fields. Okay, so there
you go. All right, Wellsome of us don't like to think.

(02:41:28):
I learned that you can get sevennerds together and who all love comic book
and superheroes and all can have varyingopinions on what's considered one of the greatest
superhero movies of all time. Nice, yeah, what what's that? Y
X gone X gonna give it toyou. It's dm DMX. If you

(02:41:56):
get Jiggie with it, John,I will recommend that you go to superhero
speak dot com, where you canfind the podcast every week, bast all
our social media to the top ofthe page, and of course comic book
refused by our good friend Chris.I also will recommend that you go see
Shazam Fury of the Gods because thatboys and girls is what we will be

(02:42:18):
talking about next week on this podcast. Act to do something next week.
Okay, movies Sam still a thing. Yeah, it's always Thanks for watching.
I'm done. Let you keep thecot in the door. Have a
good week.