#590: Absolute Superman

This week the guys discuss the Absolute Superman #1 does is it as good as Absolute Batman? Plus Nerd News and a few more surprises, enjoy!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Superhero speak.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
It, Yeah, legend a.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Story, creepy.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Johnny Dot, John Little chat.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Mad das last Like I was saying, don't buy the
fifty ninety because it's really a bunch of AI gibberish
that you're getting in for all those extra frames that
they say you're getting over the forty ninth.

Speaker 5 (00:30):
Welcome to Superheroes Speak. I'm your hero's Dave and John
and don Or is this nerd tech talk? I don't
know what a lap of the side.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
The weeks, the geeks, they get it.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
How is everyone doing, Johnny boy? How are you? How
is your week? Anything good happened to you this week?

Speaker 4 (00:50):
To put it bluntly, not really. I did some neat
things this week. I finally figured out some really hard
code that was working at work. It's a library that's
actually going to be open sourced. I started working on
a Raspberry Pie and a Raspberry six. I'm working with
a friend who's got a Jeep Cherokee and he's going
to replace mostly the electrical and the jeep Cherokee with

(01:11):
a Raspberry Pie touchscreen automation system. And yeah, it's really cool.
I'll send you a picture too. This is really nice Cherokee.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Other than that spent today.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
I almost didn't make our little podcaster because it's been
most of the day with all my electronics all over
the place because I had we're having the wait for
my mother next week and one of the things you
always want to do is display pictures. So anybody listening,
whoever goes to this, there is a small little there's
a small little slide show executable from two thousand and

(01:43):
four that will just automatically from a directory show a
slide show on a different slide show on every monitor
you have set up with variable lag time and all
that between changes on. So you know, there's that, and
then the subsequent going through all the pictures of my mother,
which not great, good whatever. So anyway, yeah, I've just

(02:06):
it looks like my electronics closet barfed all over my
my my dining area there. Yeah, it's just there's just
like memory chips and wires everywhere, three different laptops and
everything crosswired and they get picked up the NSA at
one point. So that's it for me.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
They might be looking for you anyway, if.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
They caught sight of that, they it's an explosive device.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
But don't say that not on YouTube.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
The other thing that's going to explode is the outlet
because I'm drawing too much power from it right now,
that's true, Okay, yeah, on your next follow that.

Speaker 6 (02:39):
Yeah, I've been having a good week, as I normally do.
I will say that the movie Wicked, which I purchased
for my wife on our Amazon account, has been played
in my house at least.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
Text me asking questions about that it could have been frozen,
could have been frozen.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
I have not sat down to watch the whole thing yet.
I'm abreast of what's doing here. So that's But beside that,
I'm getting to play through Armored corese six, which I
cannot phrase enough. It's made by the same people as
Dark Souls, and so it's like a mech Dark Souls,
which is punishing. And I'm an old school gamer. I

(03:21):
play video games for challenge. I'm just fucking loving because
between every match you can just tweak your mech and okay,
let me do and yeah, that's how I'm doing. How
about you, Dave? How's your week?

Speaker 7 (03:31):
Ben?

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Not Bed? I don't think I got everything accomplished this
week that I wanted to, but I did. I don't
know how long use the word finished. But I did
do another painting here. It is to share the audience stuff.
It's funny. That's actually that's not the most up to
day picture because I did fix the lighthouse just a
little bit. But it's funny because I posted it on
my social media and I'm like, ah, I don't know

(03:54):
if I've done this, but I'm walking away from it
for now. I'll live with it for a while and
see if I want to make any changes to it.
And I've already started another painting, my third painting for
twenty twenty five. I have an addiction. You need help
help me?

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Are you kidding me? That's very healthy to do. You're
having an outlook for your creativity.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Geez.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
Yes, that the Dollar Store has a lot of stuff
as well. They have canvases, and they have brushes and paints.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
So it's paint paper man. It's been around forever, plentiful.
And that's what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
I can keep going. I don't have I won't go broke,
and I can keep going. So yeah, really, yeah, So
that's the other thing. And I heard an interesting story
the other day. So there was a there's a teacher,
a lawyer, and a priest on a plane with a
on a like a school outing thing, and the plane
has engine trouble and it's starting to crash, and they

(04:48):
realize there's only three parachutes on board, and the teacher
stands up and says, somebody save the children, and the
lawyer jumps up and says, fuck the children. The priest whispers,
is their time.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
There are not condoned by the entire cast of superhero speak.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
I haven't figured Don would be the most defended me.

Speaker 6 (05:15):
I think you would, Dave, And you told me.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
I'm with Donna this one. I'm a recovering Catholic. I'm
an atheist. Now you're the one who I would never
expect to know.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
I feel Don's more Christian than I am at times.
But yeah, you use the word priest, it could be Yeah,
it's a it's it does specifically talk about one religion
when you use that word. Yeah. So other than that,
Eagles won first playoff game, just a little bit of
go Mary sounds happy about that, and then yeah, that's it.

(05:46):
I caught up on some TV shows. I guess we'll
get Creature Commandos out of the way. I know Don
didn't watch it. John did you catch the finale?

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, it finished strong. I liked it.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
I liked it. The end still a little.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Bit too much James Gunnish on the music and all that.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Yeah, I mean three Jeames gunn Suicide Squad, even though
it's Creature Command, not everyone's standing at the end, which
you're expecting, the main characters gets killed off, and.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
That was horrible. Is the one that I wanted to survive.
I don't normally vote for anybody on Suicide Squad to survive,
but that was one that I was hoping. Yeah, and
the way the backstories they gave, the backstories they gave
some of.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Them, they were all hard field. They were pretty much
we're all heartbreaking the backstories, like like they're all.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
The weasel that just like that that blew me away.
We've already seen him in live action and you and
the joke is always, oh yeah, he killed you ate
a lot of children, but.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
No, it wasn't true. They still didn't tell you what
weasel is. But he didn't kill the children. So it's like, yeah,
and terrible, but the interesting thing and yeah, and even
the princess, like they're sent to protect her and then
they're told she's gonna I felt like that was weird,
that that whole twist there. Initially she's there, they're there

(07:13):
to protect her, and then all of a sudden they're
sent to assassinator and she ends up dying anyway spoilers.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, and it was and it shows that Waller is fallible.
But yeah, she really should have been more up on
what was going on.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (07:32):
Yeah, So are they not ask Force X? Are they not?
Like they're not at all?

Speaker 5 (07:37):
No?

Speaker 4 (07:37):
No, No, they're the Creature Commandos because the laws stated
after the star Row thing that they're not allowed to
use humans anymore, So not Test Force X because they're
not human.

Speaker 6 (07:49):
Yeah, this definitely should have been like Suicide Squad and
then subtitle Creature Commando.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
Because it was. It's But that's one of the funny
things I found about this is they established her so
much in the DCEU and if this is the same
Waller going forward, which you feel like it is, like
they made her the kind of the counterpoint to what's
his face in the mc neck fury, Right, like contingencies
on top of contingencies, investigates knows everything about everyone, investigates everything,

(08:20):
and she gets fooled by Clay Face, and it was
just like, really, there was no way for her to
know that it was fake, and that's one of the
other things I didn't like about it.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Instead, that was actually brilliant And no clay Face, we
know he'll come back. He regenerates after a while.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
Yeah, Nina comes back in the comics too. She does
die and comes back.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Does she really thought she did?

Speaker 5 (08:41):
No, she comes back in the comics, So there is
a possibility to bring her back as well.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
But they have talked about this, John about comics and deaths.
You talked about this and nauseum.

Speaker 5 (08:52):
Last, they have confirmed that both David Harbor and the
Way I don't know her name, the actress who does
the voice of Nina, will be playing both Frankenstein and
the Bride in live action, So like that's already confirmed.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Theirs, the voice of Nina is doing the live action
as the Bride.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
No, not Nina, I'm sorry, the Bride. The actors who does.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
The Bride right, And yeah, in Deira Varmah, she's been
around for a while. She's been in DC stuff before.
She was in The Human Target the TV show a
long time ago. She's also been in a Game of Thrones.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
I mean, yeah, I am.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
I can see her as the bride. She's amazing and gorgeous.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
What I'm saying, she's done live action can Yeah, she's
not just a voice actor. We know David Harbert is
a good actor too. Eric. He has a first name
of Eric Frankenstein, so we both know.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
People have been falling for a while for some reason. No, No,
when I saw her in The Human Target, she was
pretty damn good. And then I started noticing her other things.
He's one of those faces that she's got a unique
look and it clicks and start seeing other things.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
I know who you.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
Yeah, I thought that was cool. So it wasn't just
a cartoon. It is connected to the DCU. They're going
to continue on. I think they said, I can't remember,
I didn't include the article, but I think they said
Supergirl is where they're going to win.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
So interesting.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
Yeah, so we'll see.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Hey, the Supergirl movie, that's an easy target. You cannot
get much worse than the original super.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
The Flash, the Flash twenty No.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
I wouldn't do that. The Flash is better than the
original Supergirl.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
It made more sense because remembered Supergirl was It was
an eighties movie made with a seventies vibe with all
of the sixties drugs, so it was pretty out there.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Okay, then all right, that's Creature Command is obviously it's
done now. I think if you haven't seen it, go
check it out. It is. It's gory, it's violent, got
sexual content in it. But it's worth a watch children.
Not for children, but it's worth a watch because it
gets you someone an idea of James Guns thoughts on

(11:01):
going forward with the DCU a little bit, so, I
think in that aspect, And of course the other show
that I'm sure we all watched was Skeleton Crew. There's
one more episode I believe after this one. I don't know.
I think don you would be the expert on that.
So what do we think the kids are home?

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Don't ask me. I don't know. I didn't watch it.
I didn't get to.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
I know, I know.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Apox on my name for the next thousand years. Yes,
I got it.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
But so that big spoiler they make it home, John.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
That's fine, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
You know when the LT I'm not going to be
here next week. It's the yeah, yeah, yeah, So but
if you guys don't talk about next week, then I'll
watch the whole I'll watch the whole thing. I'll watch
the whole thing after the last episodes out. I just
haven't had time because we're preparing for stuff. So anyway,
go ahead talk about it. I besides, Don is the

(11:56):
Don's the only one whose opinion I'm really interested in.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Donzie opinion on this matter. I want to hear what
he thinks.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
I love it. I think it's a good Star Wars show.
It's not burning me up. It's not too great, but
I think we need to be okay with that. With
that said, I am very interested. I just think it's
a great look in something that we've been asking for,
or at least a lot of other Star Wars fans

(12:24):
in the way of like scumm and Villainy Space Pirates.
This is a Star Wars Space Pirates show. All that
you guys have mentioned, the goonies and whatnot, this is
Star Wars one piece. They're the Pirate's code. They mentioned
the Pirate's Code like twenty time, right.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
I'm interested pieces.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
And they haven't seen We're not in the spoilers. It's
just interesting though where we were left off. It's funny
what Star Wars is making tropes here, and one of
them is the blue lightsabers being ignited in front of
children in a menacing manner. I didn't even think of that.
I did not even have Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely all day.

(13:09):
I think it's completely enjoyable, serviceable Star Wars show. I
like it.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
Yeah, I'm still digging it. I I'm really hoping there's
a turnaround in the final episode because Jude Law's character
I really liked when he first shows up and then
he takes a heel turn and you're really you're waiting
for him to be like, you know, he's gonna do
something to save the kids. Obviously, we still don't really

(13:38):
know what's going on the planet yet either, so I
feel like that's gonna be the moment, or maybe it's
the kids would save him. I don't know, it'll be.
There's got to be something coming, right, Like, he's not
just gonna he's not just gonna come steal a bunch
of credits and leave.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
It's not don't even understand why he got those credits.
I guess we're getting into spoilers. I don't quite understand.
He said he was like, oh, I'm some Republic emissary.
Then What does that mean that he just shows up
and the droid takes him to a pile of fucking
Old Republic credits and doesn't care that he's like about
to mess up these kids and their parents, Like what

(14:16):
the fuck is going on?

Speaker 5 (14:18):
That's the thing that Okay, I will say that is
the one thing that's bothering me. Like he shows up
on the planet that says, yeah, I'm the emissary. They
the whole backstory so far has been these planets have
been hitted, They're they're generating these credits for the Old Republic.
You get this. I don't know what the whole story is,
but you get this vibe that they don't know about

(14:38):
the galactic Civil War, Like these planets were set up
and left and no one has come back since then.
And the only reason they still are doing what they're
doing is because the droids are really in charge. This
is my theory. But the whole thing is it's but
if they did so much to hide these planets and
have so much security on them, how could he just

(15:00):
walk in and go, yeah, I'm the emissary, Like I'm
gonna take all the credit.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
See, I'm gonna take it one step further and yeah,
because absolutely I think the droid whoever's controlling the droids
is in charge. But I think that just think about it.
We've got the kids here who left the barrier, this
pirate who came in, or and then the parents who
like broke the law or whatever to send out that
communication beacon outside. I think they're all about to get executed.

(15:29):
That's how they keep it a secret. They're like, hey,
anyone that's like anything to do with the fucking outside
world or getting word out of adding to the outside universe. Boom,
it's xnay so. And why else would they have the pirate,
the kids and their parents who went against the rules
in this fucking change all place. Oh he's got a

(15:51):
light staber. Oh you just ignited it. He's threatening these children. Okay,
no problem. That's I'm going to add on to your
theory there and say, yeah, they is about to die
or maybe lesser saved by the Jedi pirate guy and
the lightsaber in the forest. Who's he all about? Like
I keep waiting for like Balin's skull to like, who's
my new obsession? By the way, as far as Star

(16:14):
Wars goes, he's my new my new dude. I'm going
to cosplay him at New York Comic Con if we
get to go, or if I get to go, which
gonna come down to finances, which everything that is taking world.
But anyway, so yeah, I don't. So there you have it.
I don't know. It's crazy shit. Yeah, I like it.
I like it. It's perfectly fun and enjoyable and a time

(16:34):
woll spent.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
Yeah, and I like that the rc ken you guessing
as well, right, it's not. It's also not one of
these shows on Disney Plus that they do all the
time where the story gets resolved the episode before the last,
and the last episode just ends up being some kind
of wrap up to the whole thing that you don't
care about. Yeah, a lot of them. Yeah, so I'm glad, Like, yeah,

(16:57):
they'll keep you guessing on where this is going all along,
but we shall see. Because that's the other thing. I
the reason that's my theory is that the other planet
that they were on at, or what it was, they're
all at something that that I feel like the whoever
was controlling the robots, something happened. The robots all broke down,
so society on that planet broke down. Because they didn't

(17:17):
have the robots telling them what to do anymore. And
that's why it was a war planet the way it was.
So Yeah, so that's why I feel like these were
this is the planet where they kept going creating the money.
So we shall see. It's also though it does lead
you to the old Republic was up to some shady stuff.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Oh, of course, that's the way of all democracies as now. No,
it's based every democrat I'm sure Lucas based his original idea.
Isn't this, but every democratic society in the world has
only lasted a maximum of about two hundred and fifty years.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
Yep. Sure.

Speaker 6 (17:54):
And his point in general, like the galaxy is just
so fast, like the idea of essential his government is
generally and Balin Skull touched on this on the Ahsoka
when he explained, like, yeah, these empires a whatever, it's
just who's up next? Which what entity is going to
become the fucking corrupt government next?

Speaker 2 (18:13):
I'm with you on balance.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
You gotta love a Jedi that asks questions, questions that
people don't want asked. Makes him the good guy, even
though he's technically what a dark Jedi.

Speaker 6 (18:24):
No, I don't know he just says he's no Jedi
and his life neibors Orange Jet's his own thing. Yeah,
no one is. Darth is not in front of his name.
So yeah, I'm digging, Believe me, I dig that, And
I know this could be trigger somebody with gray Jedi.
I just it's it is a spectrum and and they're
turning it into it and I like that and it
makes more sense.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
Yeah. Again, the original idea was with Lucas when he
created them. It was the Jedi, the Jedi with the
light side and the balanced side of the forest and
the dark the Sith or the dark side and the
unbalanced side of the horse, and that's the whole bring
balance to the force concept. But yeah, it's come to
mean a lot of different things over the day. Because

(19:06):
the other thing is they've talked about this lucasfilm, not
Lucas himself, is that, Yeah, we talk about the Jedi
and the Sith, and that's what we know in the
canon films. But there have to be other sects of
people with Jedi powers, like they explored that in Ahsoka,
not Asoka and the Accolade, like with those witches, they
were all for sensitive, but they weren't Jedi or Sith,

(19:28):
they were just magic. Yeah, So same thing with the Yeah, absolutely,
there's all different sects, all different religions, just like on
this planet, where you know, you've got Christians and Jews
and Muslims and Hindus and people like John. So, yeah,
it's interesting. I don't mind exploring that aspect. But I

(19:50):
really want to see how this is. I'm curious those
watching this now after the fact, whatever are you into it?
What do you think where? What are your theories on
how this show might end? And let us know in
the comments down below. He really appreciate your feedback. And
the only one that's talking to us tonight is Frosty. Hey, Frosty,
I don't know where everyone else is. Maybe they're all

(20:11):
watching playoff games of their team. Yeah, probably you don't
have anyone to watch. This happened the opening week of NFL.
But ultimately, and I know you're transitioning, but I just
for my take on this though, I like it a lot,
but I think it's ultimately going to be like a
forgettable part of Star Wars.

Speaker 6 (20:31):
I just that's just the way I see it. I
don't see a big buzz. Yeah, I mean compared to
the buzz that the Echo I got. I'm enjoying, but
it doesn't bode well for merchandising and making money.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
Yeah, I kind of hope Jude Lowl's character at least
continue into something else, but we'll see. He definitely will
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your chest.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
Flip the news articles real quick. Since we already discussed
Skeleton Crew, I'm gonna start with James Manigold's Star Wars
movie will not be bogged down by canon that we
know because it takes place twenty five thousand years before
a New Hope.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
What is the point of that?

Speaker 5 (25:49):
Seriously, I was gonna say, what do you think?

Speaker 4 (25:51):
But there you go, John, now years you know, twenty
five thousand years before a New Hope. That probably puts
you back on Earth because Earth actually exists.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
In the Star Wars universe, does it? Yeah? It does.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
It's it's just a burned out planet that nobody visits
anymore because humans. But that's where we started from in
the Star Wars universe, twenty five thousand years. There's no
official canon that says how long it's been since humans
moved on from Earth, but yeah, twenty thousand years, that's
enough to evolve some more dinosaurs.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
I'm pre Old Republic for sure.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I'm sure Don has a
take on this. I it's dangerous because there's an argument
that people only want stories that will revolve around the Skywalkers.
I don't believe that's true. Personally, it's not true.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
But you also don't want to go back to a
time where they're putting led lights up and down a
stick so they can. You want real lightsabers, and they
haven't been around that long.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I don't think, and I don't know Don.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
The Old Republican I lasted for a thousand years, right
or am I is it older?

Speaker 5 (26:53):
No?

Speaker 6 (26:53):
It's older than that. But even before that, there really
is a re establishing Sith Empire Republic. But when we're
talking about twenty five thousand years, we're talking about like
origins of the Jedi. We're talking about light sabers with
battery packs the size of an R two D two
that you've got to lug around with. So I like it.

(27:16):
I like the unencumbered by cannon. I like cannon, but
I like the One reason I like the Old Republic
is because it is away from the movies and the
TV shows. I think the major paradigm shift of the
Star Wars universe once transferred from Lucas was Disney has

(27:36):
a vested interest in shifting it from the Skywalker story
to the story of this infinite universe. Basically, of all
the planets, you can just fucking make up planets. One
thing I love about Star Wars is you could get
very medieval with it. But obviously it's like the ultimate
sci fi. But again, you can still take that sci
fi and where the engines are breaking down in smoking

(28:00):
and shit and they've got to fix it and waning
a canteen and drink blue fucking milk and get some
death sticks. You can do whatever the fuck. So I
like that. So that's me. I like to see some
origin shit they can explain to a shit that makes
and it can make sense. It makes reven make sense,
like a lot of lore that we can play with

(28:21):
and I'm obviously here for it as a big Star Wars.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
I'll give it this twenty five thousand years twenty five
thousand year prequel. At least they don't run the risk
of breaking current cannon like that's the problem usually run
into with prequels is that you start messing with stuff
like Star Trek has a major problem with that with

(28:45):
the Enterprise series and Discovery, especially where they just they
broke a lot of cannon and there's things don't make
sense if you go then watch the original series and
you're looking at where's the tech that I saw before
and all that. So, like twenty five thousand years, you
could have a foundation effect where everything you did twenty
five thousand years ago, like civilization collapsed and they like

(29:08):
then rediscovered technology again, and you could have stuff that
doesn't exist. You could have more advanced stuff then that
doesn't exist now in the current, like the New Hope era,
and it doesn't matter because you could say, ten thousand
years before a New Hope civilization completely collapsed and they
had to rediscover all of the technology, they have completely

(29:31):
different technology.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
At least they have.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
It gives them a wide field to play with one
more thing. I still think Don's idea of them bringing
in the use of aong and telling that story would
be awesome as long as you're doing something different, as
long as it's not like twenty five thousand years ago
a guy named Dave Starr and Mary Walker met.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
Here's the thing, right, I like the idea of not
being bogged down by Kennon. However, the problem becomes twenty
five thousand years ago. You're sitting there going, Okay, they
probably are going to do some like the origin of
the Jedi or the origin of the Sith, like that
makes sense. However, then that becomes canon, that becomes this
is where the Jedi came from. This is where the

(30:10):
Sith came from.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
That's if they work with established stuff like if they
do it, if they do an origin of humans using
the Force or sentient beings using the Force something like that.

Speaker 6 (30:20):
They can back from the Sith. We're like big bugs
because that's where the Sith come from, like this bug
race that you know. So yeah, they can do.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Oh, the origin of the Holocrons and all that.

Speaker 6 (30:32):
I mean sorts Holocrons are just where there's thousands across
thousands of years, but they could really go back to
the origins of the Sith where you know where there's
actual Sith race.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, it turns out to be the Cylons.

Speaker 6 (30:47):
Sorry, it's already established. If you play the Old Republic
MMO and shit, but which is excellent. I don't know,
it's hard not it's it's hard for me not to
get excited. Obviously, I'd rather Old Republic Revin stuff. But
anything you do well tell an intriguing story.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
Star Wars would be And one quick correction, John, you
had said Discovery and our Brave New Worlds and Enterprise
messed up existing cannon because they went went against canon. However,
Enterprise was retconned by itself when the final episode, so
it doesn't Enterprise doesn't count.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah, because that's because the Cold Time War or whatever.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
And don't you remember the final episode of Enterprise. Yeah,
the whole show was on the holiday. It was because
Riker says okay, and simulation and he closes and it's right,
and it's not how it really happened. Maybe it could be.
It was just like, are you kidding me? I wanted

(31:53):
to throw something at my teeth.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
Wow, Trek fans must be pretty docile, because I never
like that is a bullshit thing to do to a
fan base, and I never heard anyone complain about it.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Have you ever heard of a show called Saint Elsewhere. Yeah,
but it's one of the most famous wreccons of all time.
It was a very popular show back in the day,
and the last episode it it turns out the entire
show was happening in the imagination of an artistic kid
who was looking at a snow globe that had a
hospital in it.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
Oh, just.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
Millions of fans went, what the new heart dream that
Bob Newhart was having the net show.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
There's lots of for us old guys, you've seen these before.
We're talking about back before the internet type stuff. But
if you look up Saint Elsewhere, that's one of the
most famous ones. But you're right, like, you don't want
you don't like, you don't want any show to do
that kind of thing, And that was a weird one.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
First star trek the need better showrunners.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
Moving on a little bit of I I would call
this news. It's a little bit of a question that's
in the air. Will Robert Patterson or Matt Reeves the
Batman show up in the DCU? So there have been
rumors going around for a while that one of the
reasons the movie has been pushed back is they want
to try to make his Batman work in the DCU.

(33:18):
And then they asked Matt Reeves about this, and he goes,
I don't know, no one has said anything to me
about it. And then when and then they asked James
gun about it, and he's, oh, I'm considering all possibilities.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
There's there's also been rumors of bringing Grant Gustin in, right, yes, so,
so I know, but it would be I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
Here's the thing, That's what I'm saying. There's my first question.
Do we want Robert Patterson's Batman in the DCU or
do we want something different? Don What do you think?

Speaker 6 (33:51):
I can't really think of a reason why I wouldn't
want it to be part of the DCU, other than
we were told that it was going to be separate.
But that was pre James Gunn taking over the dc
universe in the movie, Right, so I don't really have
any reason against it. I could see the penguin being popular,

(34:13):
making him think, Okay, maybe we can make this work.
Maybe this can be the Gotham City that is in
the new DC universe. You say it's new, but then
you connected to Creature Commandos, who clearly connects Suicide Squad anyway,
So I'm already skeptical about the completely away Sam. So yeah,
that's pretty much my thoughts on it there. That's right.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
It might be hard to bring it in because James
Gunn is putting a lighter tone on this stuff, and
that Batman was a little bit too, a little bit dark.
He could make it work, like he even he has
admitted that he can't have his imprint on everything he
needs because he can't write every character or else they're

(34:53):
all going to come out like Guardians of the Galaxy.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
So he's gotta have other writers.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
And that would add a nice a nice harmony to
Superman's melody.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
Okay, I like that that analogy. Yeah, I don't know
how I feel about it. In all honesty, I am
torn because again with the Matt Reeves Batman here, they're
tried to do more grounded, realistic Batman as opposed to
somebody who interacts with gods, Superman and Wonder Woman and
the lot.

Speaker 6 (35:22):
They got over all the hurdles, right, Remember when they
first said, oh, Robert Pantison's gonna be Batman, and we're like, oh,
the fucking guy from Twilight, and oh, he's not gonna
work out for the role. Oh that son of a bitch.
And then the movie came out and everyone was like, oh, okay,
I like this. Let's even spin off series.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
We hear that every time a new doctor who was picked, Oh,
they're not gonna work and then they work.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Out just fine. They did the same thing about the
last Batman.

Speaker 6 (35:49):
Yeah, they're already over that, already over that. We're cool,
we're here. Maybe they just take advantage of it, and yeah,
fuck it, we got our back.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
Because the other think Gun said was they also want
to still be free to explore elseworld's stories. And it's like, eh, yeah,
but I think that's one of the things that's gonna
hurt the DCU if they don't put a lid on
that for a little while, because it confuses people. It
really does. I know, as much as nerds out there
gonna scream, no, I get it, it's a different universe

(36:17):
blah blah. Yeah, but the normies don't get. If you
want to take you've got.

Speaker 6 (36:21):
To give us a universe to be invested. You've got
to give us one world continuity story with consequences and whatnot,
which you can with superhero comic book superheroes being the
subject matter is already hard enough. So that's why I
think I get lost on somebody else. I want this
kind of live in breathing world where if something does happen,

(36:44):
it does actually affect it.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
I agree.

Speaker 6 (36:47):
I agree that could be seen as barriers to entry
to right.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
Yeah, And I also think people like seeing their characters
interact with other characters. If you leave the Batman in
his own role, you're like, Okay, you'll get the bat
Family maybe, but you'll never get to see him interact
with a Superman or Green Lantern or any of those
characters because he's in a contained world. So we'll see

(37:12):
and then you can have the sense.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
To me, by the way, like I'm not a Batman fan,
so I can't really speak to it, but to me,
like Batman would be a better character if they didn't
moot him, like in the Justice, if he really was
just like, oh, as a Batman, he's doing his thing
in Gotham. It's crazy and all that, but.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
They need him as a tactician though, the Justice League
falls apart without him, really.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
Yeah, but I can't it is. But the more that's
more moderner than even the right word. But recent decades
development of the Justice League where he had to make
sense in there, so he had to be the facto
leader who makes the plans right, so he had to
be the smartest guy in the room, even though there's

(37:57):
been an argument that Superman has super intelligence, so he
should be a to see all the avenues just as
well as Batman, but they've abandoned that aspect of Superman
in modern years as well. Yeah, I get what you're saying,
don it's also where you're now in the world where
there are all these Batman fans that say he can
beat anyone with prep time, and let's be honest, no

(38:19):
he can't. Yeah, he can have all the prep time
in the world he wants, but he won't defeat the
powerful John O'Grady. You never happened, all right, And the
last little bit of news we have should make some
people out there excited. It looks like not confirmed Elizabeth Olsen,
better known as Wanda maxim Off and the MCU will

(38:43):
be returning in Doomsday. There was a listing in one
of the trade magazines of the about the movie, and
it was the cast was listed, and she was listed
in the cast. And this is how we found out
that Chris Evans was first coming back as well. So
she hasn't come out and said anything. Marvel hasn't come
out and said anything. But I think she's coming back,

(39:04):
I honestly, so, I don't know. What do you guys think?
You think she's coming back? You think this is just rumors? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
I want her back. She needs to be redeemed.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
Yes, that's the big thing in my mind too, Like
she needs a redemption arc. You cannot leave her dead
the way she went out, Dodd, you look like you
have a descending opinion.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
You look like Ada Lemondon.

Speaker 6 (39:25):
I have a descending opinion when it comes to this.
She needs to be redeemed. Is she gonna come back? Yeah,
we're in the multiverse, it'll get pop. Elizabeth Olsen is
just awesome looking as the Scarlet Witch, so why not? Again,
it's the multiverse, which they've ingrained her with because they're

(39:45):
all multiverses. She is the same. If I'm remembering her.
She needs to be redeemed. I'm gonna I don't think
they're gonna do that because I feel that this is
maybe far off take here, but I feel that at
some point they're going to do her no More Mutants
a house of m shit where she has a crazy
break mental breakdown and says no more Mutant and the

(40:09):
mutant population goes from millions down to about two hundred
and fifty. And she was demonized and still is in
the comic books by mutants to this day. So I
for those that are Wanda fans, I'm with you. I
like the character, I like the actress, I like everything
they've done, but she's not exactly a character that's I

(40:30):
don't know, just popular amongst the characters and mutants. She's
done some shit because she's a reality warp right, there's
no reality warpers in the Marvel universe where people like, hey,
I'm glad you exist. No, everyone was a fuck with
Franklin Richard holy shit, like his own father, Like when
he was Luton, when Franklin was losing his mutant powers
or his powers like the smartest man ever read, Richards

(40:52):
was like, yeah, no, I'm not gonna help, Like he
found out that he wasn't going to help his son
because he didn't want his son to be a fucking
reality warper. It's crazy. I get what the fans are saying.
They want to see the redemption. I just that's not
really the brand of the character, at least in the comics.
But that doesn't mean much. To be completely honest with
movie Universe.

Speaker 5 (41:10):
What does Colossus think of Wanda in the comics?

Speaker 6 (41:13):
I wonder he actually survived the whole no more meaning right, which, yeah, Cosses,
I don't know, he's supposed to kill him to be
either arc. And then and then of course Kitty Pride
like right after House of Them and Ship they did
the astonishing X Men or whatever. But then him and
Kitty Pride like broke up for good. But then she
like got back with him, asked Colossus to marry her,
and then they're the fucking Altar and she like, as

(41:36):
he's going to put the ring on her finger, she
phases through and she rejects and leaves him at the Altar.
I'm so pissed off of her for doing that. But
then Gambit and Brogue said, Hey, we're at a wedding.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
What do we do.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
Hey, let's get married. We should get married, And that's
how wrote Rogue and Gamba got married. I don't know
why I'm here talking. Oh, you could be talked about
Colossus and that somehow just threw me out of the multile.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
Jan and I are going to take a nap. You
just talk about the accent.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
It works for me.

Speaker 6 (42:06):
We've got a Superman comic to talk about it.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
Oh we do all right. That means that I think
you need to take one more quick commercial break and
come back with our look at Absolute Superman.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
This is so.

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Speaker 5 (43:48):
Not like a podcast, takes a lot of work, okay,
you have to organize the guests.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
You have to do a Google calendar and any can
build them following.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
It takes a long week.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I've been working on it for a while.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
They do the red no Ie.

Speaker 6 (44:10):
Is that a Mandalis Stenberg in that clip?

Speaker 5 (44:13):
I don't know. I don't know what movie that is
that's from, but I realized that AI version of Joey
looks a little bit like Joe Rogan, which is alright.
So we all had a chance to read at least
the first issue of Absolute Superman and a little bit

(44:33):
of what you call it a complaint. Reasoning why it
was just issue one is because I have DC Infinite
and you're supposed to be able to read comics on there,
and they have the first issue on all of them
under the base subscription, which is what I have. But
if you want to read any more of the issues
on there, you have to pay for an additional tier.

(44:54):
Screw you, DC, and I don't like running out and
buying them. So I was able to read the first
issue so we could talk about.

Speaker 6 (45:02):
The economics of comics is what's wrong with it. It's
the reason why I don't buy them. I don't have
a weekly pool. They shouldn't have to pay four dollars
for a physical issue. And if I have the app
for DC or Marvel, like, I get it. I can't
get all the newest fresh ship. I got to wait whatever,
then I'll get it. But them, yeah, I'm like, oh, hey,

(45:24):
people actually like this absolute stuff. Hey, oh yeah, that's
come up. I don't know what goes into like all
the exact accounting of what goes into making a comic,
but it can't be this fucking bad.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
It's late stage capitalism. And also Warner has a lot
of bills to pay.

Speaker 6 (45:41):
Yeah, why Marvel charges five bucks of comic now? I
don't know how their app works.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
Marvel, it has to be at least six months old
to be able to read it on there.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Yeah, and look, look at the way things are with
comics right now. They make billions of dollars as movies
and such like. They're trying to capitalize on that. But
the problem is that the more you try to capitalize that,
the more breaks you're going to put on it, and
you wind up making less money and maybe pushing people
off and maybe causing another collapse of the comic industry again,

(46:17):
because you know, like Don said, nobody can know when
in the nineties it was pretty bad and I had
a list of a poll list, and I'd go in
every other week and it was over one hundred bucks
and that was a lot, and I wasn't getting a
lot for that, And it only got worse until the collapse.
And they're going to cause another one that they're literally

(46:37):
limiting their audience.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
It's also issues like I don't know what the current
cycle is. For a while, they were putting out Amazing
Spider Man three times a month, just hey, that's got
to be killer on writers and artists to try to
keep up with storylines and be it used to be okay, yeah, fine,
you had amazing spectacular and web of let's say that's

(47:01):
that was the eighties and the nineties, And so they
would circulate throughout the month, like one week it was
one and then there was a week off I think
for a while from Spider Man until Spider Man came out,
and there were four separate storylines, three or four separate
stories that lines. This is no, they're like pushing and
it's and it's all one title, and it's like, why
are you doing that? Because people can't afford fifteen dollars

(47:23):
a month to keep up with Spider Man.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
And there's all these different pressures, like people that we
are the TikTok nation right now. Attention spans of kids
are growing shorter, which means they're not going to wait
like a month for a kid these days. Is they're
not going to remember that they even read a comic
book about Superman, let alone remember to get issue number
two when it comes out. And then on top of that,

(47:47):
they don't all all the economic pressures. People don't have
the money anymore to spend that much on comics. And
then you add to that all the late stage economic
crap of Warner trying to feed their their board members,
and there was it stockholders, right, So they're going to
do whatever they can to drag as much money out

(48:08):
of their fan base as possible. So it's literally the
worst of every single metric you can think of.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
Yeah, and I'm sure like the push to both do
multiple books on a title a month is a push
to get trades out faster.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
In a world where like writers and artists are very underpaid.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
Right now, Yeah, so all right, let's stop pitching about
the industry for a minute and bitch about it and
talk about a comic book absolute Superman number one. Let's
be fair and let's quickly go around and do a
non spoiler. What did you think of the issue? And John,
you can go first.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
I read the first three issues. Oh and I it's interesting.
It's a new take. Like the way it's going, it's
still going to be hard on people because it's a
new take, But there's some nice commentary here the first
page of issue number two where they're going after they're

(49:06):
going after Lewis Lane for for not writing her report
using AI and the same thing with the same thing
on Krypton with with kelll in school not writing his
report by asking Ai to write it for him, and
I'm like thinking, oh, yeah, that's where we're headed. So
the writers on this are I like the way they're
writing this, but his new powers and everything are interesting,

(49:29):
and they're really trying to I think basically they're still
trying to make sense of the kelll is from a
very highly advanced scientific society and yet not starfaring at all,
and their single planet blowing up took out the entire race,
and they've made sense.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Of it with it was it.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
They're really xenophobic and really setting their ways and.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
I read I read, yeah, you're going way past.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
The first issue is good, and I think it gets
better as it goes.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
But his new powers are interesting. With the artificial intelligence suit.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
Don what do you think?

Speaker 6 (50:10):
I thought it was a decent enough comic. I find
that mostly my complaints are due to I'm just seeing
a trend at least between the two series that we
have read so far in this new absolute error that
I'm not quite understanding why they're doing that. I will
join John's praise of the social commentary of the comic

(50:34):
as he's being lectured, Hey, I gotta save the humans,
I gotta make him safe and these are humans. There's
religious extremists, there's Dermo, there's nuclear weaponry, like they are
never safe. And I don't are we spoilering or you
just one initial but okay, great, no, and that's fine.
So yeah, definitely a different take on Superman, some of

(50:58):
which works. But I do quite some of the new
aspects of it. Again, particularly because they seem to be
doing a trend here. There are a lot of similarities
between the Absolute Batman and the Absolute Superman. I will
say overall think Absolute Batman was done a little bit better.
I enjoyed that a little bit more, but I do
think that the Absolute Superman it is enjoyable. I thought

(51:20):
it was well thought out. I thought the writing was
was pretty decent. Again, do I agree with some of
the directions. I'm not quite sure yet, And I'll talk about that.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
We've got Brainiac running part of the world at least.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
Hey wait, hold on, yeah, spoiler boy.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Oh please. Brainik was always going to be It's.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
Good think a son's not watch because they'll call me
out for this. But I didn't care for it. I
really didn't like this book at all.

Speaker 6 (51:47):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
I at first I was digging some of the social
commentary on Krypton a little bit, and then we get
to Earth and we get Superman and I'm just like, nah,
this isn't super like And that's I said.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
It was going to be a hard one.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
I guess we'll get I don't want to give too
much away, but it's just like, I don't know. I
didn't like the direction they went, we can okay, that's okay,
So we.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Got we need to talk about spoilers, right right, So.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
So we got one thumbs up I think, one thumb
in the middle and one thumb down. So they're running
the gambit here. So if you don't want to be
spoiled and you haven't read the book, you want to
read the book, read the book and come back. If
you've read the book and you don't, or you just
don't care about spoilers, here we go. I will just
start off and here's the thing. And I'm like the

(52:37):
whole time I'm doing this, I'm thinking about what Cassan
would be like, Oh wait, you're okay with them, Jane
to this, but not this with absolute Batman. I felt
like this was a completely new take on the character,
and I didn't even approach the comic like, this isn't Batman.
This is a different character who happens to be like Batman.
But at the end of the day, I felt like
the core was still the same character. Right, Okay, so

(53:00):
Martha was still alive, which does change the dynamic, and
he's poor, but I felt like it still was Bruce
Wayne Batman at the end of the at the end
of the issue. And the interesting thing too is they
actually explained in the newest issue, which is huh. If
I could buy them the individual issues digitally, I would
do that because I do want to continue reading it,

(53:22):
and I might just have to go and buy the
book at the comedy on Amazon. Oh, you can't buy
them on Amazon.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
On Amazon only digitally, I can't find the Every time
I buy a digital I want the actual hard copy too,
but I can't find the hard copy of number one.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
I think they issue hard copy for a few.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
They reprinted it like three times, I think. But long story,
short episode. In issue four, which just came out, they
explained why he chases the bat and it is different
from the cannon that we know, and I'm curious. I'm
going to read it. Read that. But that being said,
that was the They still what the impression I got
still felt like the core was Batman and brus This No,

(54:02):
this doesn't feel like Superman at all. There's no Clark
very there's no Clark Kent. He's just call El on
the planet running around with And now the big difference
from original canon the s is his family crest, and
all the families have their own crest and they were
part of Jorrel is part of the Science Guild in

(54:26):
on Krypton in the original show, original storyline, but all
the scientists have their family crest, and that's why he
wars the s Now. It's a caste system on Krypton
and they're in the worker class and that's the symbol
of the worker class that.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Was introduced with Man of Steel too, Right, there were casts,
there was military cast, science cast.

Speaker 6 (54:46):
Yeah, but his symbol was specifically for that, for the house.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Of the progression of that.

Speaker 6 (54:52):
Yeah. Interesting commentary there though, because and I'm sorry if
I'm bleeding in because I read the first two issues.
I'm sorry if it bleeds. But the thing that they
revealed though, is that both Laura and Jorelle should have
been in the scientific explain Okay, but they speak out
against Laura says, hey, we should be interplanetary, and Jorelle

(55:18):
was on the doing surveys on the sunstone or something
like that, and yeah, they can't. They put them in
a whole nother work or cast. Because just because they
spoke out, I thought that was interesting. But the Dave
the reason why I was very surprised that you said
that this didn't seem like Superman. I guess the thing
that like won me over is and again this could

(55:38):
be issued too, where we learned that basically Superman like
these Brazilian miners that were doing this super dangerous job
but it was the only thing they could do to
help their families. So they're doing this diamond mining, yes,
and they even okay, and so there's asbestos and shit
down on the mine bre okay, fuck it, we gotta go.
But then the asbestos has gone and the mining has

(55:59):
already done. So Superman is just going around like doing
miners work for them. So he's not doing these like
large displays of heroism. He's like really doing some nitty
gritty good shit. And that to me because I was
thinking a lot like you, he's a lot more like
brooding and things like that.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
This is what I feel like. Zack Snyder wrote.

Speaker 6 (56:23):
Wow, okay, all right, I get yes.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
The fact that we got you. You already brought it up
where they say in the first issue, Oh, maybe we
should just forget about these people, the suits talking. Oh
maybe he's forget about these people because they've got these
problems and these problems on this planet. And he's like, yeah,
maybe you're right. That's straight out of fucking Man of Steel.
This is Zack Snyder's Superman.

Speaker 6 (56:46):
He's got a little bit of a he's got a
little bit of an edge to him. Listen. And also,
oh great, my bucks are playing with our Yeah, there's
definitely like the whole suit thing is throwing me off too,
which is one of my complaints. Like this it's new,
and again I didn't read The Wonder Woman or the
but like, the suits in this absolute era seem to
be a big thing. Like the Batman like reminded us

(57:11):
of Spawn. The Superman nanotech suit that talks to him
reminds me very much of Iron Man, and so on
top of being a Kryptonian, which they haven't fully explained
yet because he's not charged right now, so he can
charge himself and he's not charged right now, but definitely
the suit being like this nano tech thing like that.

(57:33):
I'm just starting to see a pattern with He's absolute
like the super suit has changed and very important. And
also one thing that I was I had to note
was that apparently Kylo Wren and Superman they go to
the same hairdresser. You don't believe me. Here we go.
So there's Kyler and that's the cover of issue too,

(57:53):
but there is Superman with his exact same haircut. Yeah,
I like it. Back out of here. I'm sorry, Okay,
all right, Hi, So you know, I get it. It's
not perfect. Did think they did a I don't know
that mining thing. It really showed me the essence of him.
But it is weird because like he didn't like he

(58:14):
grew he didn't grow up on Krypton. But yeah, he
was like a teenager on Crypto.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
I was gonna say that's the other issue or the
other major change is that he doesn't come to Earth
as a baby.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
He comes he's like a teenage as an adolescent pretty much.

Speaker 6 (58:30):
Yeah, so Crypto what you talked a lot about last week.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
Yeah, we all love Crypto. I'm sorry, he's the.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Best, best cryptos best dog.

Speaker 5 (58:39):
I gotta say. But oh, here's okay, here's a question.
Since you guys read it further than I did. One
of the other things was really bothering me. And it's
so stupid. Is he didn't have a cape, even though
on the issue issue one cover he's got this big
flowing cape coming out.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
He has a cape.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
It's the dust. It's the it's the AI part of
the suit. It has the it's made up of the
dust forms of.

Speaker 6 (59:01):
Like red particles. Yeah, like heals. Yeah, I know you're
not going to anymore because it's like yeah, ye, like
I'm telling you this. The super suits in this new
absolute are are off the change.

Speaker 5 (59:15):
So that's what I'm trying to understand. That's a kid
like some of his powers for suit. It's not just him.

Speaker 6 (59:19):
They mentioned him being solar charged, but he had definitely
some of the ship is the suit. It's a combination. Yeah,
because he's vulnerable right now, I don't they didn't explain
why he's vulnerable, but yeah, it's both. I don't know. Yeah,
I get it. I get that's yeah. I didn't think
that would be a popular aspect of it.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
It's I it's an interesting take on it. His powers
are still mostly the same, and I'm not turned off
by it, not yet anyway.

Speaker 6 (59:51):
The other thing, and Dave, I wonder if you'll mention this,
and I guess I'm going for it is and this
is another thing they did exactly in Batman, So Alfred
and the Absolute Batman from Alfred Butler. Yeah, Alfred and
this one Lois Lane is order. He's a military chick
for this Lazarus Lazar. His life laz with is truth,

(01:00:14):
Lazarus whatever, this evil organizing or I don't know whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
It's peacemakers, Yeah, the Lazar you know, amakers.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
That's the weird thing too. It's the Lazarus organization. And
they're all the peacemakers. Yeah, peacemakers are all the cops
are dressed like peacemaker with the toilet bowl helmets.

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
Yeah, that is a weird choice.

Speaker 5 (01:00:36):
It's a very weird choice.

Speaker 6 (01:00:38):
The Batman absolute one works better for that. I don't
hate it to take.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
And that's the weird thing. And because you've read further, John,
maybe you can elaborate. But that's also weird that Lois
is hunting him down and captures him at the end.
And I really hate it. That she handcuffs him and
goes he's in custody, and that's how it ends, basically.

Speaker 13 (01:00:57):
And I'm like, as well as you think the Superman,
we'll say that is kind of fun Actually yeah, but
is there a developing relationship there or is she just
the person hunting him down.

Speaker 6 (01:01:08):
She's the person that just handcuffed herself to someone that
can fucking fly. Now the super suit's trying to get
him uncuffed but can't, so it is like an advanced handcuffed,
but he still nonetheless flies the fuck off. And all
the while they're not like, oh he's got Lois Lane,
don't fire at him. They're like, fire at him, and
so they're trying.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
They're peacemakers.

Speaker 6 (01:01:28):
Yeah, and so he is ending up having to fucking
save her life and she's still trying to stop him.
So it's funny because he's at one point, I'm just
saving your life. What did she still trying to apprehend
him and negotiate his.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Yeah, and done. I think you like this.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
I forget if this is in number three. But she
they asked her to do a report on Superman.

Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
Yeah, that is number two. She never she hates doing
her own reports.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
But.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
The thing is again, it's all left up to the AI.
Was it the Brainiac AI to write the report? She
just has to answer questions and she's said, oh, I
want to write this one by hand. Yeah, it's the
commentary is like these guys. It blows my mind that
science fiction writers are always telling us what we have
to worry about, and we never listened.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
They've been telling us for a long time to worry
about AI, which makes me wonder again you might know
the answer, John, I don't know, because obviously traditionally Brainiac
is from Krypton. And I said, okay, because that's the
whole thing that you already mentioned that kal El got
in trouble for not using AI to write a report
at school. So it makes me feel like it's the

(01:02:37):
same AI. It's they're both brainiac, but maybe not. We'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
This one might possibly have been developed on Earth.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
There's nothing to say whether Brainiac is from Krypton or
not yet.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
All right, that's the thing because if since I would
have to pay extra to keep reading it. Right now,
I'm not going to continue with Superman, I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Will blows my mind.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
I will hunt down the other Batman books and yeah, yeah,
like he's got to be raised by the Kents, he's
got to have the Midwestern values, like that's Superman. To me,
This idea that he's just this rogue Kryptonian running around,
you know, doing good, It's like, nah, that doesn't work
for me. So it's just weird.

Speaker 6 (01:03:21):
I mean, we are seeing more of a development on
the Krypton side of things because they keep jumping between Krypton,
like before it was destroyed, he's still living there, and
their plan is not to just send him like they're like, oh,
we're going to get all the people we love and
go so shit is obviously going to go down. That

(01:03:41):
makes that whole thing go awry. True, it's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:03:45):
Yeah, okay, but that's the other thing too, right, because
this is one of my issues with Man of Steel
is they made it where it was like I can't
remember the term I used before, but it's like Krypton
alien Dad good Earth. That bit like that was the
basic idea in that movie where Jonathan Kent was the

(01:04:06):
one that said, oh maybe you should have let die
and oh you don't reveal your powers ever to anyone.
In fact, let me die in our hurricane because our tornado,
because God forbid anyone sees you use your powers. And
then he finds a hologram of Alien Dad and he
tells him, oh, no, you're the Light to save the
Earth and all this stuff, and it was like, that's

(01:04:27):
never been the canon for Superman, and Zack Snyder was like,
fuck all that, and this is the same. I feel
like this is the same thing so far. And I'm
gonna guess that there is no Kent at all in this,
like they share the Kent Farm destroyed in this.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
Martha is still alive, but she's in a hospital and
I think she's on our last She's like in hospice,
I think.

Speaker 5 (01:04:52):
And but did they raise him at all or is.

Speaker 6 (01:04:56):
That like, if they did, he was from like teenage
years up, which yeah, must have been fun.

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
And it wasn't long because this is a younger looking Superman.
I'm gonna say he's in his twenties. Who's not a
he's not a full He's not in his thirties like
where they normally start Superman at. You know, So, yeah,
this is interesting, believe it at that. I don't know. John,
Let's let's wrap this up. We don't need to beat

(01:05:24):
a dead horse. So let's give it a score though
one out of ten capes or dust mites, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
They call it dust.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
And final thoughts that John go, I know, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
It's worth checking out.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
I'll I'll give it a seven point five. It's I
think it's worth checking out, and I Mike rate it
higher the longer it goes on. I like the commentary
and I'm the only reason I'm digging at some points
is probably because it's different. There for evil and must
be destroyed. Like a lot of people are like, hey,
don't touch my not my super hashtag, not my Superman.

(01:06:01):
But I'd say you should give it a try. Pick
up the first first three issues. I think that should
be enough to give you an idea whether you're gonna
hate it from now from then on or what?

Speaker 6 (01:06:12):
All right, DoD I would give it a six capes
out of ten. I feel that it shows you a
lot about Superman, that you like helping the little guy
and being very interested in helping save humans and protect them.
The hard thing, the hardest thing for me to resolve

(01:06:32):
is that I feel Superman already comes with a plethora
of abilities and things to then slap on as some
sort of nanobot ai suit that can heal people and
try and free you from handcuffs. I'm just it just
loses me a little bit there. And again this isn't

(01:06:53):
the comics fault, but again the lowest lane being sort
of military. Yes, I understand the comics that her father's
military terry, so there is reason to say that she
could do that, But I just I don't know. I
I but I don't know Alfred military guy, mostly military guy.
That's just rubbing me the wrong way.

Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
Yeah, yeah, I don't disagree. I felt like they just
repeated the same idea basically, and it was like, yeah,
it works with Alfred because they have ret condom to
be like m I six and he helped train Bruce
and that works. I think people accept that. I don't
feel like they've ever done that with Lois ever and
any incarnation. So then all of a sudden, now she's

(01:07:35):
the military guy, like it would have worked if it
was her dad that captured him. And then she somehow
pleads the case like I would have taken that and
been like oh okay, and that's how the relationship starts.
But let's traple on Superman. All right, So I am
I'm gonna I'm gonna follow up with John's comment, this
book is very different. Therefore it's evil and must be

(01:07:58):
destroyed if you want to lend.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
That's called dumb knut quad non intelegoon.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
And I'm gonna don't give it. I'm gonna give it
five caps like it just there. It's different. It's not Superman.
To me, it's not Superman. It's a different, completely different
character who's wearing an S on his chest. Yeah, so
there you have it. If you go like our thoughts,
let us know down below. If you don't like what
we're saying, let us know. If you haven't checked the

(01:08:25):
books out, go check them out and come back and say, hey,
you were right, you were wrong. Whatever. We're cool with that.
We're nice guy. All right, Let's bring this one in
for a landing and go around the room and tell
me did you learn anything this week on the podcast
or do you ever recommended don you can go.

Speaker 6 (01:08:42):
I learned this week on the podcast. You shouldn't do
anything opposed to the NFL at least uh one in
week one of the playoffs, because that has a lot
of people indisposed. Yeah, there you go. Well, one down
in the notebook, make sure.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
We broadcast during the during the Super Bowl, that's.

Speaker 6 (01:09:04):
Right, which were slated to do.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
My team played and they won, but of course it
was before we went on air, so it doesn't affect me.

Speaker 6 (01:09:12):
I recommend armored cords six fires a Rubicon. That's a
great game, it's a great challenge. I also recommend that
you subscribe to the channel here and we get one
hundred K and I'll do some ridiculousness. But also I
think that would be a pretty good thing to help
us get to come a New York comic here, all
three of us, because again I intend to do some

(01:09:34):
cosplay out there, and I'll have my bearings about me.

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
Yes, now you know where everything is in New York.
You're great.

Speaker 6 (01:09:42):
Of course. Now I'm introducing cosplay into the mix. So
I don't know how that's going to look like we're
flying into a but I'll figure it out. Actually, the
only thing that's going to suck is the lights. Thing
that it looks like the cause play for Balen Skull
isn't too bad, but the lights, saying I'll just save
enough to buy one there. But then I started to

(01:10:03):
get a home. So there we are, all right, John.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
I got nothing really, still dealing with the stuff, but
I will say the new season of anime has started,
and there's I find some solace in that. There's some
There's a lot of Isai anime coming out, so I'll
have better recommendations next next week because I won't be
here but in two weeks from now. But I am

(01:10:29):
there was a there is one anime that had a
third season last season, and that's uh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
I just blanked. I completely blanked. I just sorry. I'm
been thinking about.

Speaker 6 (01:10:42):
While you're looking at that. Let me just say I
continue to be baffled by the term of this season
of anime.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Like anime.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
Anime is like there they make the eighties anime is
a gateway to buying the manga or the light novel.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
So the put out as a whole.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
There's four seasons of anime every year, and they put
out each season just most of them will only get
one season of a certain show and they're hoping that
you'll buy the manga after that, but if they're good,
then they get multiple seasons. As I was trying to say,
Blue Exorcist, which has been around for a while, and
I'm rewatching the first and second season now so I

(01:11:22):
can watch the third season, and you really should check
it out. It holds up even though the first season
came out years and years ago. It is really well
done and the storyline is really cool. So try Blue
Exorcist if you haven't. It's worth it, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
I learned this week that don doesn't understand the concept
of television season and.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
They're different things, that the anime seasons are different from televisions.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
Of course, recommend I actually have a recommendation this week.
Jason Reightman had a movie that came out last year
that I finally watched last night with my girlfriend sat Night.
It's the fictional, somewhat true, somewhat fictional story of the
first of the ninety minutes leading up to the first
episode of Saturday Night Live. And it's a lot of fun.

(01:12:12):
It's interesting. Then, I think I recommend you watched the
movie and then go and read articles that tell you,
like what parts were true and what parts weren't true,
because most of it's true, but some of the things
that happen in the movie are stories from Saturday Night Lives.
Fifty years of being on the air, and they just
put them in different spots. You know what I'm saying. Oh,

(01:12:35):
this is this happened the third year the show was
on the air. But it's a cool story, so we'll
throw it into this show, into this movie. It's Jason rightman,
It's gonna be good. And yeah, I highly enjoy it.
Enjoyed it. It was funny because there are a couple
big names in it. Everyone's playing somebody else that's famous,
which is interesting. JK. Simmons is in it. I didn't

(01:12:56):
realize he was in the movie. I don't remember seeing
him and he's not in trailer and I don't remember
seeing him listed in the cast and things that I read.
And he plays Milton Burrel, which was really interesting and
a little surreal, so I think, and it worked. So yeah,
it was a fun little movie. So yeah. I also
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