#593: Your Friendly Neighborhood Tim Jones

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Superhero Speak Free and Story.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey John, John, John chat here made da last.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Welcome to Superhero Speak. I'm your host Dave and John
and Don and we have a special guest with us
this week. Ladies and gentlemen, if you are a fan
of the Sour Grapes comic strip available and finer newspapers
all across this country, you're well of this ware. This
man's work. He's been on the show many times before.

(00:42):
Our good friend Tim Jones. How are you doing, sir?

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Hello, guys, thanks for having me on. I love the
the graphic that you have with you put my head
on the Spider the News Spider Man guy. Yeah, listen,
that's exactly what my crotch looks like. Thank you for that.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Was the That was the best one. The photoshop to
put your head off, so.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
You know, I can't see it from here, so it's
good to know what it.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Oh, there you go, There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
I'll tell you, I'll tell you what. I'll get a
copy of that and I'll i'll post it on your
blue sky.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
All right, so the record, I'm sitting down for those
of you watching.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Okay, how everyone, How was everyone's week? Don? How was
your week?

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:32):
I had an awesome week. Work went pretty quick, saw
a cool podcast where Tim Jones plugged my voice acting
so appreciate that, and had a good week of the
Star Wars pen and Paper. It was really fun times. Yeah,
I'd say my week was pretty good there, Boss John,
you have a new lady in your life.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
Yes, I've been adopted by a new cat, so yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
I know that.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
I know it's out there. Anytimes it talks about a cat,
you want jokes, that's the inappropriate joke, Dave, you're not
allowed to tell that one.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Now, I got one in the chambers.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
You know, Don took care of it.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
We only get one if if you've been watching us
for any length of time since last year, that one
of my cats passed away last year and this one
just shows up on my door in the freezing cold,
and I can't stand seeing cat and pains can't find
the owner. I've done the rounds and now she's upstairs,
lying on one of the beds and and just hanging

(02:39):
out loving life.

Speaker 6 (02:40):
Now new cat lady acquisition is now complete.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Yeah, my next door neighbor, my nextrek. Don, you're right
on the you're on the right wavelength.

Speaker 6 (02:53):
There.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
My next door neighbor looked over me and I said,
he said, oh, you're adopting that cat. I said, yeah,
I s you're the best cat lady this streets. I'm like, you,
son of a bitch. That would be worthy of something
that Tim would say, but don got to first, so
he gets great.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Anything anything else exciting in your life? No, nah, nah.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
I'm just going to try to survive after everything that's
been happening for the last two weeks. We're not allowed
to talk about politics here, but everybody knows what I'm
talking about, especially what just was announced yesterday. Yeah. I'm
just hoping there weren't day more layouts at where I
work because of these things.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
So that's it.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Now that I've brought you.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
All down, Okay, wonderful. We're going to get to you
in the second tim because we want to catch up
with everything that you've been doing since we last talked
to you. But my week was terrible.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Oh you got a plane crash in your old neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
What do you mean my old neighborhood. I still live around,
I'm still here. That was the end of the week.
The first thing that happened. So I told you guys
a while ago that I got a new laptop. They
sent us all new laptops at work, and I hadn't
been using it because John, you'll understaft.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
But thanks Microsoft, they're doing the same thing work because
they're in the Windows. Sh Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
What I was gonna say is John will get this
is that the new laptops are on a different domain
than the old laptops.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
Oh jeezu freaking yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Whenever we want to do something across domain, everything runs
really slow. So like basically all the developers have been
avoiding using them. We're still using our old laptops. And
then they locked all of our old laptops on Tuesday.
Like the screen comes up and it says this asset
has been locked. Call this number, and it was to
help that number and I'm liked. So that was Tuesday.

(04:41):
I had to spend all day trying to fix some
issues with that. And then this is a good one.
Wednesday morning, I got locked in my bedroom, dropped the
doorknob broke. I got up in the morning, went together
the bathroom. The door knob broke.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
Oh man to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Oh no, I had to get people I live with
to come and unscrew the door knob and take it off.
I've replaced the nordb. It was broken inside, so that's
I don't know how that happened. And then and then,
of course Friday evening, I was in my bedroom and
I hear a boom and my house shakes and close.

(05:18):
I went downstairs. I'm like asking everyone, did you hear that? No,
no one heard anything downstairs. And then all of a sudden,
five minutes later, my daughter calls and goes, plane just
crashed at the Roosevelt Maull And I'm like, what, Yeah,
I will say this plane. Yeah, it was a medical plane.
Something happened right after takeoff to the plane. They don't
know yet.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
They did recover the Black nineteen injured. One of them
was a little girl who had just had an operation.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, they were all Mexican nationalists. They had come to
the Shriner's Hospital to have a treatment done for the
little girl, and they were on their way to Kansas,
I think, or somewhere in the Midwest to visit, and
then they were going home. And yeah, the plane just
I think it broke apart or something. Based on all
the footage I've watched, the plane didn't come down in

(06:03):
one piezz so something.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
It got up to about fifteen hundred feet and then
something happened and they went and apparently they were trying
to write it.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
But the weirdest part of this is there was a
drone video that was put out the following morning or
the following day. Someone took the following morning took a
drone and flew it over the area. It looks like
a war zone and it's just stuff that you see
in other countries that you don't see here, or after

(06:32):
wildfires in California or whatever, and it's that's the mall
I hung out since I was like fourteen years old.
To see that, it's just it's mind boggling. I don't
And the video.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
It looks like it's going like a million miles an hour. Yeah,
like a fireball.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
And the worst part was not the worst part, but
it hit a house and they're all row homes right
there on that on the streets going away from the mall,
so it was the corner house caught fire. And they
say that four houses damaged from the fire and there
are cars that are burnt out, and there were people.
This is Common Avenue is the main Thruway in the Northeast,

(07:08):
and there were people in those cars that one of.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
The fatalities was somebody that was in a car. The
rest is nineteen injured.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
So yeah, yeah, I know somebody that I used to
volunteer with at the Philly Comic Book Con that was
working at the Horizon Store that's literally across the street
from where the plane hit, and they were working and
saw the plane come down and saw the explosion. So
they're really shaken up. So it's say anywhere I'm just

(07:34):
gonna say for anyone that like, first off, I'm gonna
say people keep posting stuff online about it, don't live
here and don't understand, just shut up. And two it's tough,
like you don't realize it until it happens, and I
can't imagine that people were actually there what they're going through,
but just to see these images. And I haven't even
gone in that area yet because like it's all the

(07:56):
common Avenue has been blocked off because they're still doing investigation.
But yeah, I haven't gone that way.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
I know how I feel because I remember what it
was like when I took a tour Breezy Point in
New York after hurricane Hurricane yeah, took out one hundred
and was it one hundred and thirteen houses, including my grandmother's.
They were all flooded while they burned paradoxic. We're really
really bringing people? Yeah, really, let's talk about something else. Hey,
my mom died a couple of months ago. And no, wait,

(08:25):
that's not helping them. Tim, Oh, I.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Have a question for everyone. Why is Dwayne Johnson the
only man who can turn lesbian? Oh?

Speaker 5 (08:37):
Dear God, I told you don already used up the slot.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
I don't know, Dave. Why is Dwayne Johnson and lesbian?

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Because rock beats scissors? Oh?

Speaker 6 (08:50):
Come on, joh, that's not that's very some of the
ones you've told.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
I got to bring him back up. It's my job
that do better next time. So, Tim, I know that
since the last time you've been on, a lot has
going on in your world. One you've been doing animated
versions of the strips starring this gentleman below me at
the most as the voice of ASoP, and you have

(09:19):
there's a sour grape soda out now. Things are just
moving and checking for you. How's it. How's the life been?

Speaker 4 (09:26):
It's been good? Constipated for this week but other than that,
it just means I don't give a ship. But I
brought everything up. There is that there is, Yeah, I
just keep it moving. I guess those videos that Don
and Aubrey from Sol Wizard podcast, which I happen to

(09:47):
have the sweatshirt on set plug she was the voice
of Constance and those were done by my daughter, my
oldest daughter, Aley, And it was just an idea I
had and it was great. I put put the music
in the background, which was a lot of fun, which
is inspired by the music that you see in the Peanuts.
It's always got the jazz playing in the background. But

(10:09):
I put blues because he was miserable there and that's.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Why he's got the blue background right now.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
And as far as Don goes, I heard his voice.
I've been listening to you guys for a long time,
and I heard Don's voice when he was coming on,
and I was just like, yep, I'm gonna ask him
if he'll if he'll do it. So he nailed it
and he still nails it. Did we just did a
video for this old guy.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
And him, you know, and then I can play round
and say, yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Let me know. I'll send you out some Yeah, we
did that when that was I was advertising a comic
con I was out or something like that. So we'll
do another one and that, but that was So those
are on the website that I'll plug later and so
you can watch those. There's three of them and they
just narrate. It's almost like they're narrating, so they're reading
the words that are in the dialogue, balloons right, going

(11:12):
across and stuff. So those are older episodes. So I'm
dying to do some new ones tune and is just
happen to have one here. Albeit this label's crooked for
some reason. This one's got alcohol and that's play a white,
so crooked. But this was an idea I had from you.
Guys might know who Bill Morrison is. He's the number

(11:34):
two guy for The Simpsons. He's a mega cartoonist, famous guy.
So he worked with Matt Groenig not and he happened
to be the president of the National Cartoonist Society of
the Year that I got accepted. I don't know if
you can see it, but up there it's my certificate
and his name's on it. So I was a terrific

(11:54):
on over twenty twenty three and he was there. He
was sitting right a ross for me and went over
to introduce myself and recognized me and stuff like that.
We soart to talk and he says to me, you
should do some licensing. He said, your character asops really strong.
It's a strong character recognizable. You should really license that
comic strip. And I didn't know anything about it licensing

(12:17):
and stuff. So fast forward to April last year, and
I was like, Sowa grapes sounds like a regular flavor.
So I approached Yacht Club Soda, which is a Rhode
Island staple where I live Rhode Island, and so next
town over from where I live, Yacht Club Soda has
been there for one hundred and ten years this year

(12:37):
a long time. So I approached them. There's the third
generation owner and pitched in the idea and he loved
it and he'd be our first license, licensing deal and
stuff like that. So between April and I think it
came out late September. It was a couple of weeks
before Halloween. I think it finally rolled out. After trial

(13:01):
and error, we did some tastings and stuff and it
came out and it's great. It's been doing really well
and it's an actual sour, great flavor. So it's the
first it's a new flate with for them too, which
was really exciting. I wasn't like piggybacking off or root
beer or something it was. So it's great. It's it's

(13:21):
just break green, which kind of matches the logo type
of stuff. And yep, there's yacht club there and I've
been doing in store signing bottle signing, which is a
lot you can sign your bottle, and so we've been
doing that. I've been doing taking them to comic cons there.
It's starting to spread around. This is their slow season.

(13:41):
Sou who needs a cold drink right now? But yeah,
it's a good another marketing tool that I I'm really
I can't believe it. It came out to be honest
with you. And we've all actually got plans for the
spring to make a brand new label in that. So
that's a lot of fun.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
Has anyone been like John, I was gonna say, may
not need a cold drink, but you could definitely make
popsicles out of it.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Yeah, I was gonna mention real quick, it's got the
it's got the QR code on here. So they actually
takes you to the website, right, so they actually market
it as you can enjoy sour Grapes Yacht club soda
while reading the comic stript. I'm sorry I interrupted you, Dave,
go ahead.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
No, I was going to say, have has there been
anyone who's been like, oh, sour grapes and are afraid
to try the flavor that you've run into? Or is
everyone right?

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah? As a matter of fact, a lot of people
that I've talked to, including the people that work at
yacht club, said that they don't they don't like grape.

Speaker 6 (14:43):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
As a matter of fact, we were on a local
TV station here, me and the owner a couple three
weeks ago, and the guy that was on one of
the hosts that was on there said that he didn't
like grape, but when they try it, they because the
sour flavors nowadays are really popular. So it's just got
a little bit of sour in there. And it's not

(15:06):
it's not a it's not a what you call it.
It's not a club soda. It's yacht club means yacht club,
not that it's like soda, although they do have club soda,
but this one isn't because they passed gas with those,
so I didn't get that kind.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
How would you describe the flavor.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Then it's a kind of a lemony grape, be honest
with you. So the lemon gives it the sour. It's
just a little bit, so you don't drink it. It's
not contorting your face and stuff because it's so sour,
but it's got a little bit in there, and it's
so it's like a yeah, it's like a lemone grape
flavor to it. It's really nice. I brought it to
one of the first cons I brought it to. I

(15:44):
brought it to Rhoe Island Comic Con, but I brought
it to a kids con the week after that. It's
all it's all kids and stuff. So there's all these
kids begging their parents to buy this soda because they
got to drink it because it's sour and it's green.
It's like their mosquitoes flying to it. And so they
was so funny because it's got a lot of sugar
in it. So here I am sugaring up.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
These kids run.

Speaker 6 (16:08):
Same ship their grandparents are doing. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
Yeah, yeah, there's a reason why sour candies are really popular.
Kids love it.

Speaker 6 (16:16):
Oh yeah, sour patch kids. And then they got the
ship with the juice that you put it on to
make it more sour. Like. I've got kids, so I
know all about the sour candy ship and.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
The hard candies, the sour nuke or whatever, the one
that's so sour.

Speaker 6 (16:29):
It's supposed to like warheads or whatever.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Yeah, warheads, that's it. Yeah, sour skittles. Yeah, so you
picked the exact right thing to do, the right soda, man.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
I asked myself. I was afraid that I was gonna
sell I was selling out with it. The comic strip's
gotten really popular in that and all that's going wonderful
and stuff, but I wanted to keep marketing this the
best I could. So taste the rainbow. That's nice. But
I was like, you know what, fuck it? Can I swear?

(17:06):
Because I just didn't.

Speaker 6 (17:06):
Yeah, I do all the time. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeahd has a potty mouth.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, try fucking yacht club soda so perfect, poor John
a verbal sense. But yeah, so I guess I didn't.
I guess I didn't sell it, and I think it's
a good thing.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah no, because I have to imagine too. People see
the bottle of this ASoP one, and if they don't
know the strip, they get curious when they probably look
it up, and then you get more fans of the strip.
I think it's a It's a perfect idea.

Speaker 6 (17:39):
How could you not right? Because it's twenty twenty five
and so a a stops a dog and just me
personally and mine told him pull of species that I enjoy,
Dogs are number one, and then like a very far
away second would be humans because I am what I get,
so boom, he's a dog and then he's a flying
like superhero, which we all love. That's totally in the

(17:59):
lexico Damn, Like, yeah, what's not to like enjoy about that?

Speaker 3 (18:02):
So I love that. Totem pole of animals, I like
a species species species, I like I want a T
shirt that says that.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
That's definitely a T shirt to animals. Totem pole of
women I've had that might be a.

Speaker 6 (18:28):
Video That woman right over that way about ten ft
would be on tops Love you, honey.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah we know she might be watching No wait, hell
just in a video like Boats and Hose from step
Brothers called Prestige Worldwide.

Speaker 6 (18:48):
It'd be awesome with like me and Tim on a
boat just with sour grapes.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Perfect, perfect, make it happen. And I assume the strip
is going well in more papers.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Last last time I counted in forty six papers and
all the way, I gotta start attacking your area Philadelphia,
New York, Chicago, all that stuff. It goes out to Alaska, California,
New Mexico, Oklahoma, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Rhode Island, Massachusetts. Oh, Utah,

(19:27):
I just got into.

Speaker 6 (19:28):
Utahh wow in Utah.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yeah yeah, polar bears can read. I found out.

Speaker 6 (19:34):
Yeah yeah, the paper they wrapped their fish in it.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
It's great.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
So yeah, this is.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
What happens at night.

Speaker 6 (19:50):
Yeah yeah, I just said. The whole comic book stripp
thing is is really cool because it really harkens back
to at least people my age and older were like
I just remember being out like my grandparents, and then
it's really being nothing to do. They've got the paper,
but hey, oh look once they're done, I at least
get to look at the comic strips like that was
really like the first comics. And that's why I know

(20:12):
that Spider Man is absolutely number one top comic book
superhero because as far as I remember, he's the only
superhero that got three panels of a comic strip in
the Sunday newspaper and whatnot. Just to see you still
rocking that out to him, it's just cool, because to me,
that's just again. Nowadays kids got all sorts of shit,
all sorts of content choices, but we literally comic strips

(20:36):
were literally one of the only things we had. Maybe
at noon we'd get the whatever the cartoon express from
USA before two o'clock rolls around, and you know, Grandma's
stories come on till four o'clock. So it really was
a big part of at least again, people my age
and whatnot in that situation. So it's really cool to
see you just dominating that. Still twenty five.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
I still have anthologies of Locks Trot and Bloom County
and all that, And few of my nephews have the
really big Kelvin and Hobbes, like the hardcover, three huge
book compendiums of all the Galvin and Obbs because and
they love them. Now it's a shame that the print
is going away, But a lot of cartoonists have done

(21:20):
well for themselves online. They've had online cartoonists for decades now.
Some of them have gone out of print, like Sluggie
and a few others that I used to follow, used
to follow a lot. Yeah, but maybe that way you
make more money on Once print is dead and unless
where we're going, we're gonna have to start relying on
newspapers again.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Yeah. It's funny you mentioned all that, because what I
do quite a bit of comic cons. Not as many
as I'd like to, but I still do quite a bit,
and I do comic strips. There's a dime a dozen
indie creators, comic book artists and all that stuff. A
Man and Superman and Spider Man everywhere, and then there's

(22:03):
little old me sitting there with a comic strip, and
I'm always asking myself, do I belong here? I feel
like I stick out like a sore thumb. But I've
gotten so much support from the comic cons, and it's
got to the point where, you know, I guessed that
quite a few of them now and it's become this

(22:24):
big family of mind doing comic cons and that, and
you get to meet people, big shots and little shots
as it were, And so I do feel like I
do belong It's just that it's so unique as someone
told me once.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Oh yeah, no, definitely, because the comic strip is what
popularized sequential art stories in modern culture, which is what
allowed comic books to grow the way that they did. Yeah,
it's very much a part of the history of comics.
I don't think I don't think it's odd at all.
I think it's more comics, more strip writers belong at the.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
It's got the word comic in it.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
It just and it's funny, too, funny because Don brought
up the Spider Man strip and it's funny. A lot
of people don't know that strip was actually done by
Stanley's brother, Larry Lieber, Like most people don't know that
he's the one who actually did the art.

Speaker 6 (23:16):
Yeah, for that.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Strip back, I did not know that. Yeah, that's interesting.
It's all all. It's all works together. You live next
to comic greats in the newspaper.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
You know what's funny too, is what the two things
that are worth its weight and go. When I do
a comic conics, the people come to the table and
they'll pick up a book, one of my books, and
they'll laugh out loud, and I always thank you for laughing.
Ice And it's fifteen dollars for that book.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
But I was sad, too bad. It is when they
see the price.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
That's not funny anymore. And the other thing is true story.
So the other thing is too is people will say
I read you every week in this such and such
a paper and yeah, and I'll be far away too
and they'll know they recognize it and they say, oh, yeah,
I read you on Facebook or I see you on
Instagram where I see you here there. I'm on some

(24:09):
websites as well. So it all comes together. Yeah, it
makes me feel good because I honestly just think. I
just wonder, like you said, John, that we may have
to go back to newspapers and stuff. I hope, so
you know, right, yeah and yeah, and people say, oh,
the newspapers are dying and I'm like, no, they're not.

(24:32):
I'm getting in them. And it depends. There's a lot
of corporations that are buying up groups of newspapers and stuff,
like we even bob out of that stuff. I go
with the independent papers and the smaller papers. They're not
a couple of pages type of newspaper. They're good sized
papers and stuff. But those are the ones that are

(24:53):
thriving now because it's local community news you can't get
anywhere else. They'll have stories of major stories and stuff
in there. But yeah, it's you know, it's all that.
So that that's the ones that I'm going after right now.
So I hope to get up to fifty soon. I
haven't really been trying yet. I'm still on the download
from Christmas.

Speaker 6 (25:14):
Still, aren't we all? Aren't we all?

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, just came down. So I'm curious. I'm curious how
you work. Do you do like a bunch of strips
at a time, and you know for the weeks coming up,
or do you work like is it a weekly strip
and you do one a week?

Speaker 4 (25:33):
I do right to deadline, so being in all those papers,
of course they all have different deadlines, so it's a
real pain ass. But I do one like I'll just
do I'll show this one to everybody. That's how it
starts out, and right, I can't do this because these
things are backwards, but that's why. And it goes in

(25:53):
the photoshop and I do all the rest of the
magic in there because I have to save it as
a JPEG and stuff. But yeah, once a week, I'll
have a couple of I've never really worked ahead a
couple of times. But that way I can keep it fresh.
That way better.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Get to the point where I'm daily like all the time.
Then then you have to work ahead.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
They make you.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
They want you to be like at least six weeks ahead,
which is I can't think that far ahead, to be
honest with you, but I can't even play my ships
for the week. Never mind, you have some people have
schedules for those.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Tell me, do you ever have a Do you ever
have a week where you're like, I just can't come
up with a with a joke or a concept.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
Yep, that's that happens, yeah, big time. But and if
you I tell I'll tell people that not to force
it out. If I if I don't have an idea
or nothing, I can't just latch onto something, then I'll
just put it all down and walk away and not
force it because it'll come out forced. I have to
be funny. I have to be funny weak. And let

(27:01):
me tell you, is that some weeks.

Speaker 6 (27:04):
Yeah? Interest interesting enough. That's the same advice for anyone
looking to avoid anal fissures would be don't force it out.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
It's the whole constipated joke all over again.

Speaker 6 (27:16):
Oh my god, I'll keep kicking now.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
And here's the thing. And I think one of the
things that really works with sour Grapes is that they're
they're totally unique characters. And it's a it's a little
sarcastic set up and punchline joke, a little cute little
joke every week or a pun or something like that.
And you do, I feel like you do try to
avoid politics and those kinds of things, and like world events.
Are you ever tempted though, to be like, oh, let

(27:47):
me do let me throw something in in this week
or you're just like.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
You one not too long ago about jury duty. What
was going on in the news. We'll just say that.
And that's how I was like, you know what, and
I knew someone that went on jury duty, so I
tied it all together. See, the strip is based on
my life, but what happened in my life, not necessarily
my life, and be pretty miserable to begin with.

Speaker 6 (28:10):
But holy ship, you're flying dog. Oh my god, that's right.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
I thought you were a flying dog.

Speaker 6 (28:17):
Yeah, yeah, I believe I have a whole dissertation I'm
about to give. I'm about to go way deeper than
anyone should with this, But.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Wow wow, I said that to a girl wants Yeah,
where was I going?

Speaker 6 (28:39):
I started running based on your life?

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Thank you, thank you. So yeah, it's so with the
jury duty I did. I came up with one basically,
they sent him home. They sent you home. If it's
like so, there was a to ASoP there was a
conflict of interest and and Maddie asked him what was
the conflict of interest? He says, I'm just not interested,
bab boom, And it's not it's not easy. It's three

(29:06):
panels which I do the same thing that Garfield. The
script format is has been compared to buy some people
to Garfield. Not in I can't even touch Garfield, but
in that in the format, I have what's called the
ghost panel in the middle. There's no borders around it
and Garfield. So I was very influenced when back in

(29:28):
the day when I started this to do that, and
I've just carried it on. I like the way it looks.
But you've got three panels to do a joke, and
I try not to do what someone called a gag
a day kind of strip. A lot of it's puns
or plays on words and stuff, but I don't it
comes out that way. I don't write a joke in
my head. It just I write and draw it at

(29:49):
the same time. It just flows, and then once when
I get it on the computer, I'm editing again to
make sure the joke makes sense. And so as long
as it makes sense and it's not funny, that's fine,
not the other way around.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
But yeah, you just said a joking day. But I'm
sitting there thinking, there's an idea for marketing, for a
licensing idea A calendar, one of those calendars where it
has the strip on it. You done it, there's I
had a Delbert one at work once. I'm sure Garfield
has that one.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
I thought about doing a calendar. I just I can't
find the time.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
You only have to think of three hundred and sixty
five new jokes for the calendar.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
I get to the point where I want to do one,
and then it's too late. Well, now I'll get to
wait till next year. And oh, that's my car salesman
that just came out high Mustafa. That's my car sales
fridge manage. There you go, there's an idea, a fridge magnet.
When I went to Ireland, I got oh okay, so
I know you.

Speaker 6 (30:47):
Got our salesman, a Fridgeman in Ireland.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah yeah, he sold me a car. I got a
game at least a magnet.

Speaker 6 (30:54):
Okay, yeah, why not, but there you go.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Sorry, Mustaf, I couldn't find your name in the Irish
store all night.

Speaker 6 (31:04):
All right, fucking awesome. I love it. We're going two
hours tonight, strap in boys. Oh my god?

Speaker 3 (31:12):
All right, all right, you know what?

Speaker 4 (31:15):
Keep them coming? I love the question.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
I could do this all night, but okay, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (31:20):
I'm about to say, yes absolutely, I'm the voice of
as other than what I said about the comic book
strip stuff, Jim and I and I know this, probably
this isn't your intention at all, but I look at
like the character ASoP, and I'm not gonna go down
a religious road, but it goes for me personally because

(31:40):
I look at ASoP and I see this dog who
fucking dog's are awesome being checked one. He can fly.
He's a flying fucking dog who doesn't want to fly.
He's got friends, although he's annoyed by them, for he's
just I just find a lot of allegory there between
ASoP and like the human condition where we have all

(32:00):
of these advantages and we really all should be pretty
cool with what we got, and ASoP more because he
could fucking fly. Who doesn't want to do that? But
yet he's still miserable And I don't know, that's just
that just speaks to me in the human condition. And again,
I'm not gonna get into religious, but it gets into
that for me. But it's just I don't know. It's
just awesome and funny all the same time. And the

(32:21):
fact that you're not only write the jokes but you
draw on the damn thing just I don't know. Awesome
job man, Thank you. I think it's great. And the
fact that I'm the voice of ASoP is even better.
Quite an autumn.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Yeah, oh my god, that's awesome. That's awesome. N I
appreciate that, and it makes me think I never really
thought of that. I'm so much on the comedy end
of it that I don't think seriously about it. So
when I hear that type of stuff, people bring it
ASoP flies, but there was a time where he didn't.
I just threw a cape on a dog. Asop's been

(32:55):
around for a long time, and I said, I'm gonna
draw a dog, but I'll make him different. I'll put
a cape on them. But the trick of it is
in the panels asops. A little guy like me, if
I do a bus shot of somebody, a bus shot
from the chest up, and you can't see a soop?

Speaker 6 (33:14):
Right?

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Sure? So what did I say?

Speaker 3 (33:16):
So?

Speaker 4 (33:16):
Wait a minute? How do I fix this? I made
him fly? I made him levity. And now you so
now you all know not that you give a ship.

Speaker 6 (33:24):
And now you I give a ship. God damn it.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
You're all constipated at some point and you're like, yeah.

Speaker 6 (33:31):
Don't force it. And then the last thing day before
I will you know.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
I did have a proxologist say to me, what listen
when you go to ship, do you feel something popping
in and out? And I talking about a hemorrhoid, And
I said, this is a true story. Do you feel something?
I told him I'm not that talented.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
You know.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
It's like, what am I a trombone?

Speaker 3 (33:52):
It's just.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Some of the parts sound like trombones. You learn words
like paranea. You really do you know what that is?

Speaker 6 (34:02):
Right?

Speaker 4 (34:02):
The thing between your aus and your junk, that little
area apparently that's actually Latin for chin rest.

Speaker 6 (34:10):
We can move on the other because my generation learned
that as the taint. So that's funny. That's the chin rest. Okay,
anyway you're going to say, Okay, the last thing I'm
gonna say, and this is totally an inward thing, but
you talk about comic cons, Tim, please find some way
to make it a New York comic con. I want

(34:31):
to get drunk with you at a small Mexican restaurant
near the convention center or plea like, how can we
make this happen that you being in New York?

Speaker 3 (34:40):
I could.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
I've been wanting to go every I get turned down
every year. This is my third year on Gon try again,
and do you know who I am? Come on, I
really want to get into the Natural Cartoon in Society
actually has a booth, and but they do it on
four hour shifts, so I couldn't. Like I would love
to be there every day. I was at C two
E two, and I think j D came to find me.

(35:04):
He couldn't find me for some reason, and I was
able to be with them all four days, but for
some reason at New York, I can't. So if there's
a way that I can get in somehow, I would
love to do a Comic Con. You kidding me. It's
gonna cost me a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
But just for time, we'll figure out a way to
make that. We'll talk off air. It'll work something. Oh
all right, you might have to you might have to
share a bed with Don.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
That's fine. I'm I can spoon. I really can't spoons. Fine,
I'm small. I won't take that much room. I take
a viagra before I go to sleep. That way, don't
roll out of bed. Other than that, it's.

Speaker 6 (35:47):
So sad that I so get that joke.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
I seen you put a new clip on here. Don
you know what I say? You know what I say
to people who don't understand that joke.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
I deserve it?

Speaker 3 (36:11):
All right, all right, we could do this all night,
but I think we gotta continue on with the show.
So we're gonna take a quick boster as Don tells
us some more great podcasts you can check out and
where you can find Morse Superheroes.

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What was that, I'm gonna get one. Oh, I'm going
to get a shirt.

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We appreciate that. So yes, so thanks and thanks for
for I was gonna say, oh yeah, another quick announcement,
though really another quick announcement. We are normally live on Sunday.
Next Sunday, Boys and Girls is the super Bowl. And
I'm not a big football guy, but my team is
in the Super Bowl this year.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
Okay, John, what are we talking about, buddy?

Speaker 4 (39:24):
There's a football game.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
I'm not above removing you the stream. I'm gonna say,
most likely who will be live Monday next week? Instead
of Sunday. What did bron say here picked up a
Green Chick row series?

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yes, oh yeah, okay, huh believe.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Having the super Bowl my birthdays next Sunday.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Oh, you can have a you can have a big party.
Get some wings, get a six long sub and wte
some people over and just tell them that it's for
the super Bowl, but they're actually there. It's all your birthday.
Get yourself a cake and you'll feel good because people
will show up anyway.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
If I invite people, that means I have to clean.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Oh, and let's stake.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
I'm trying to forget.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Forget it. Rick commercial break and I want him back
with some news.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
He's fighty, isn't. Marvel's new Bizzazz magazine fantastic.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Fantastic but not perfect.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
What Bizzazz has the lowdown on Jaws too, and more
Sean Cassidy picks than his mother. It's sensational, sensational, but
not perfect. How about Pizzazz's goofy Guide to TV. It's
why I look at sci fi movies. It's games, puzzles, comics.
What could be more perfect? Me on the cover?

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Not the Hulk?

Speaker 6 (40:46):
Dizazz The almost.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Perfect new monthly from the Off the Wall gang at
Marvel Comics.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
But a goody. Tim wasn't expecting a thirty second ad. Yes,
it is.

Speaker 6 (41:01):
What makes it funny.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
Nobody knows who Cassidy is in the Partridge family.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
No one knows what a magazine is anymore. We have
a few news articles I wanted to talk about this week,
and hey, we can get a perspective on somebody who's
currently writing a comic strip and merchandising, so he knows
all about copyright and distribution rights and all that fun stuff.
The Joe Schuster estate is suing DC Warner Brothers again

(41:31):
on the New Superman movie, claiming they don't have the
rights to distribute. I think it's in Australia England.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
Replace with England law so it says England, Canada, Australia
and okay, Canada.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Was Yeah, they do this.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
They did this before Henry.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
They did it my Man of Steel as well, and
basically they settled out of court just to give them money.
So I'm curious, and Tim, I'm asking you first, like
you own a property, it's something you created. But obviously
Joe Schuster has been gone for a while now, and
this is like the state, So it's probably grandkids, distant

(42:05):
relatives that own the estate. I'm not sure that are
suing on his behalf. What do you think about that?
Do you think it should die with the creator or
should it go to these.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
I think I understand what they're doing. They want to
keep the legacy. I think it's about the legacy, and
I would agree with what they're doing that just trying
to keep it in the family as it were. And yeah,
they'll probably set a out of court again and get
that all just keeping you know, I I do. I
can't compare myself to it at all. But I put

(42:36):
a little copyright on my strip, and I remember talking
to someone at the like a goggling cement here hold
on and you got to try it sometimes, she said,
is the ADHD kicking in? So I talked to someone
at the Library of Congress once and they told me,
just by doing that, you're putting the world on notice.
You're saying copyright twenty twenty five by Tim owns, and

(43:01):
so that makes it mine officially. So someone tries to
copy whatever I can sent, and so I think that's
essentially what they're just trying to keep it. Like I said,
the legacy going and just keeping people in the know
saying that hey, this is us, this is my granddad whoever,
and we're still watching out for them. So that's what

(43:22):
I take out of it.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
So what about you.

Speaker 6 (43:25):
Yeah, but this is an interesting case because this is
going to happen in perpetuity, and that's because in an
American court of law they're clear and that's where they
are located. So yeah, it really is something that with
these other countries again, anything with an English lost standard,

(43:46):
whatever you want to call that, Canada, Scotland, Ireland, England, Australia,
I think it was. Yeah, it's just something with their
law that says, hey, after twenty five years, it doesn't
like the owner still owns it. So I wonder if
this even Yeah, they're gonna get sued, but for other
countries not in the United States, So does that really
even matter. I don't know. This is obviously something that

(44:07):
anyone that has the rights to Superman is a problem
that's already baked in right to owning the rights to Superman, say,
anytime you do something, by the way, people in Australia
and England and Scotland and Canada are gonna suit you.
I'm sure it's part of the risk assessment. So it
seems like bigger news than it is. I thought it
was bigger news until I read the article and where

(44:31):
I was informed were like, yeah, this is the States.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
When I saw that, when I saw that they also
did this with Man of Steel, and I think they
did it with Superman returns as well. They did, I
was like yeah. I was like, Okay, so this is
a this is a tactic. So I don't know, John,
what do you think.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
There's two reasons why copyright law lasts right now for
the life of the person that owns the copyright plus
seventy years, and that's because every time it comes up
the limit comes up in Congress, nobody is going to
vote against Mickey Mouse and Superman. Seriously, Mickey Disney is

(45:07):
the reason why copyright law lasts for seventy years after
the death of the copy. And every year people celebrate
on January first, the day when a lot of copyrights
go away for a lot of a lot of classics,
because then those classes can be distributed without having to
pay some family that's been holding on to it for
so long. Now there's good things and bad things and

(45:29):
the one thing, if you get a family that cares
about the material, then they can be a shepherd for
it and keep it from being corrupted for manhawking, burger
king or something, which he probably has done in the
past for money, I'm sure, but there's things that could
go wrong, And to wit, I would mention the all

(45:50):
the horror movies that are coming out with the not
Mickey Mouse, but Steamboat Willie Masks and all that. There's
good things and bad things about it. Yeah, you get
a family and at some point it's going to run
out on Superman. And at that point, Marvel could make
a Superman if they wanted literally use Superman. So it'll
be interesting to see what happens when that happens. At

(46:10):
some point, it has to end. And you know, we
are getting close. I think I forget when the when
the creators are Superan died, but ritting close to the
end of that one too.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Oh, I'm sure, I'm not.

Speaker 6 (46:22):
I don't it was early two thousands. It was like
two thousand and five.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
Oh two thousand and five. Really, wow, I thought they
had passed away way earlier than that. Oh, yeah, then
we've got another forty years then the end.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
I mean, it's interesting because go back, I think, I
think you go back twenty years ago whatever, they didn't
even get credit Schuster and Seagull on things.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
And this is one of the place is where the
copyright actually benefits because.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Right, and it was Neil Adams who like fought to
make sure that they got recognized and got the rights
back and all that stuff, and like he crusaded for that.
So I like, I get that, but then it's I
don't know, I think it's weird that like it then
opened the door for these lawsuits every time.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
Is that all a function though, of the current copyright
owners being greedy or is that because like with Marvel,
they are still trying to not pay the creators anything,
even if even with these billion dollar movies come.

Speaker 6 (47:24):
Well, I don't know, they don't make very billion dollar
Marvel movies anymore.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
John, come on, okay, okay, what's not good to see
what happens with you.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Maybe they work their way back.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
But the thing is, but I think it's maybe a
little bit of both in a sense, like I think
they're good because of that aspect, because they need to
make sure that the creators of these characters sometimes don't
even get credit in the movies. They're not even going
to a ligne credit, let alone any money because it's
all under the work for higher aspect of it, which

(47:53):
is ridiculous at this point.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
But the other side of that coin is like when
you hear them set out a court for money with
some of these lawsuits from the States, it's wait, is
it like, if you really want to make it about
creator rights, then you should take them to court so
they can get a precedent so that other creators will
get recognized.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
The precedent is like that that's more a function of
the American legal system where we don't go to court.
We like almost every lawsuit is settled, which.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Is a bad thing.

Speaker 6 (48:26):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Let's not go down that rabbit hole because I totally
agree with you on that one. Unfortunately, laws shouldn't be
decided by who wins a lawsuit. It should become a law.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
But the other thing that the long copyright does protect
against is you wrote a book and it bombed, and
then all of a sudden, thirty years later, it becomes
like a classic.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Yeah, true, same thing with movies.

Speaker 5 (48:50):
And stories they use for moving such there's good again,
there's good things and bad things with this. I'm for
copyright lasting for a while after the death of the
current the original owner that the creator. There's no there
is no way that you can square the fact that
is going to have good and bad consequences for certain properties,

(49:12):
because one family is going to say, oh, we wanted
it to be pure and honest to the original design,
and another one it's like and that's it. So there's
no way you can protect against that. So you just
got to let the dice roll on that. But it'll do.
I think it lasting for a while after the death
of the creator does more good than harm.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yeah, And in.

Speaker 5 (49:33):
This case, I think we know that Warner Brothers is
in dire straits and they would have had they had
to be taken a court to cough up anything, even
knowing that this is probably going to be a huge movie.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Speaking of movie companies being dishonest, there are two articles
here that are related more or less, and these are
both things that we've talked about in the show previously.
The first one is Chris Evans has come out and
said that he is not in Doomsday, even though there
have been like things that have come out that have
confirmed that he's in it. He's now saying that's nonsense.
He's like, these rumors keep coming up and it's not true.

(50:09):
Even though there were rumors he was going to be
in Deadpool, he said that wasn't true. And then he
was back as Johnny Storm. So we know that they're
told to offuscate the truth and lie. And then in
the same week we had our good friend Humberbatch, our
good friend come out and say because he said, oh,
I'm not in Doomsday, but I have a big role

(50:29):
in Secret Wars has now come out and said, yeah, no,
I'm actually in Dude.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
This is Schrodinger's movie. Until you open the box, you
what's inside.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
So I don't believe Evans. I don't believe him.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
I was gonna say, do you guys think he's lying?
And if you do, what role do you think he's
playing in the movies if he's in it? Because we've
been we've jumped around with different ideas on that. There's
a lot of rumors Captain Hydra him coming back as
a variant of Captain America, all those kinds of things.
So what do you guys think? And don you can.

Speaker 6 (51:00):
Start as far as these articles, I think in general,
you can't really trust what an actor says, like cumber
Batch thing, I'm not in a movie. Hey, now I'm not.
I am in the movie. Because I think that we
learned with the Tom Holland thing that Marvel really doesn't
like you spoiling what they're going to do. In fact,
if you do spoil it and someone asks Marvel, hey,

(51:22):
what do you want to happen to that person, there
you go. That's what I think. I think that they're
just going to stay whatever they need to stay in
order to not be killed by Marvels Splash Disney, so
that they can keep their very paycheck.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Is that why you.

Speaker 7 (51:39):
Loaded the clip? If you been waiting all night to
do that? Okay, that's right, you had a prepared joke.
I love it a little bit. Seemed that you foresteal
on the thunder, but I still think it works.

Speaker 6 (51:50):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
That's that's saying that unless Marvel wants to ruin it,
the surprise themselves, which a lot the future do.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
To text me and warn me.

Speaker 6 (52:03):
It's okay because I also play the game of does
Dave notice gamble?

Speaker 3 (52:09):
It sounds like my girlfriend, Oh, I'll.

Speaker 6 (52:14):
It is sleep in the same room. For four days one.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Yeah, we did. I just ignored all the gas. It
was the best way I.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
Didn't break the seal.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Now that we've made John uncomfortable, what did you think, John? Yeah,
I just.

Speaker 5 (52:33):
Unless your name is Tom Holland, then you can probably
assume that they're lying. If it's Tom Holland, then you
just wait to see how many lawyer ninjas are going
to attack him. But otherwise, yeah, it's I'm glad because
I am tired of things being spoiled in these movies.
I think you're gonna get more bang for your buck

(52:55):
for word of mouth if people come out of that
movie going holy crap, did you see that? And then
and then in this day and age, texting all just
putting out on like Blue Sky or something. Hey, this
movie's cool. Yeah, I'm happy with not really knowing anything
until I go.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Into the You're happy with not knowing things a lot.
How about you, Tim? What are your thoughts on who's
in the movie, who's not in the movie, what they
who they might be playing.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
Like I said, I don't believe anything he's saying. These
Marvel movies, you need the Big Three. I think once
they lost the Big Three, it just started to take
a whole different turn, and Chris Evans, you can't get
anybody else to play at the Steve Rogers Captain America
can't do that. You can change it up with Sam Wilson,

(53:41):
but with Falcon. But but I I don't. I think
something's gonna happen. I had it's gonna be Steve Rogers.
I have a feeling that I really liked the storyline
with A because I did hear that Peggy Carter's coming back.
I think that's not till Secret Wars, but it would
be neat. Did they do something along the lines of
the hydro Stomper with Steve Rogers inside and giving him

(54:06):
as long as he's in it, so it would be
the older Steve Rogers that we saw and that came
back an endgame, And so I envisioned him being able
to be in the hydro Stomper suit and able to
do all that stuff, and then maybe Peggy Carter as
Captain Carter.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
But that's just a fantasy.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
But yeah, I haven't seen it. He's gonna come back.
I think he's full of shit and we'll see what happens.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Yeah, No, I like that idea to him. I think
you're like happy, So maybe that's what the what the
thought is there, because they touched on it in the
What If series twice. They did the hydro Stomper where
he's still skinny Steve and then he gets captured and
brainwashed and all that stuff. And then they did like
with the medieval episode I don't know if season two

(54:54):
or season three, yeah, where they were like they were
yeah and they were in olden times and there was
an The Captain America and basically they look like doing
this thing where they're not destined to be together, like
they can't they just be together. And I feel like
my feelings they're gonna do. He's gonna be Captain Hydra,

(55:16):
like the evil variant of Steve Rogers who lost Peggy
and that's why he became you know, basically went to
the dark Side to borrow a Star Wars reference, and
they're gonna there's gonna be a conflict between the two
of them and it's gonna be like, you know, is
is she gonna bring him back from the brink or

(55:36):
are they gonna confront each other? That would mean an
interesting story to me. So that's where my head is
at with him.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
I say that the old Steve Rogers somehow gets reinjected
with the serum and it brings him back into the
young Steve Rogers Captain America, you know what I mean.
But that's another that would be neat, That would be cool.
They could do anything.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Yeah, I think we all want the Chris Evans back
as Captain America.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
Definitely.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
Yeah, I think they need him back or somebody absolutely,
just like be like the scene in Infinity War where
he's in silhouette, everybody's wondering if it's.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Really him, and then all of a sudden they show
and I remember being in the theater and eyboy just
went nuts when the train goes by, Yeah, and it's him.
I want them to bring that back into him coming
back where you don't know it's him right away and
then all of a sudden the place will go nuts.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
So yeah, it's funny because both actors have said an
interview with bringing them back, cheaping their roles in the movies,
their their endings, and it's like, I don't think so
because Harrow Avengers. Yeah, I think that's what we're getting
in Secret War. So and then along those lines, though,
there was this other article.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
It's a rumor.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
It's not confirmed or anything, but it made me think
about this. So they're saying in Doomsday they're going to
bring in Ghostwrider to the MCU finally, and there's no
they said that there's there was a casting call that
was put out for Ghostwrider and that's where the rumor
was born from. I don't know how true that is,
but it made me think, Oh, they have done that

(57:16):
in the past. They introduced what Wanda and Pedro in
the Age of Ultron. They introduced Spider Man in Civil Wars.
These big ensemble movies they do use as an excuse
to bring new characters in. Besides Ghostwrider, Who do you
who's a character you want to see brought into the
MCU that we haven't seen yet.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
Blade.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
I've had to say, John, you can go first.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Blade.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
They keep dancing around that one, and that brings in.

Speaker 5 (57:43):
Like the Midnight Suns and Write and a bunch of
other stuff, and they could use that to branch out.
If you've got that fantastic for in the X Men,
you have plenty of material for the next phase, as
long as you don't overdo it.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Yeah, as long as you don't do another multiverse.

Speaker 6 (57:59):
Don Oh my god, I'm fucking multiverse.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
I think they're done with that. Yeah, that's what i'd
like to see.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
It's sea all right?

Speaker 3 (58:07):
How about you?

Speaker 6 (58:08):
Don you're gonna ask me who i'd like to see?

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Oh, well, besides besides any of the X Men, because
we know that besides COLOSSI would you like to see
brought into them? Because technically Colossus has already been brought
into the.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
That is part of the MC, so go ahead, correct, No,
I would like to see them bring in molecular Man.
Oh god, because we are doing the Secret Wars and
I do hope that the multiverse suffers a thousand deaths.
So I think that that would be the perfect character.
And I think that would signal them like really sticking

(58:49):
to the source material when it comes to Secret Wars.
I don't think they are, but we'll see. That would
make me respect them more if they did. So we're
gonna go with Molecular Man.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
Wouldn't that Like that opens the door for the Beyonders
and then Eon and the other and the Living Tribune
and all the other high end.

Speaker 6 (59:08):
Then it will culminate and read Richards and his children,
basically determining what the multiverse looks like, which then is
soft free wood universe, which I sorely hope we get
because again I'm done with the multiverse stuff. Just give
the world, give me the universe, give me the story.
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
So when when it's your when it comes to the multiverse,
and don your feelings are.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
All right, we're over using that now.

Speaker 6 (59:35):
Oh you say so, John, but it amuses me.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
How about you, Tim, you got you got a character
in your back pocket you haven't seen yet.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
I would love this guy to come back.

Speaker 6 (59:45):
In ooh, machine Man.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Okay, I just picked this up in the line and
I used to read it all the time, and it's
Jack Kirby stuff, and I think, like a little obscure
guy to come man, and Machine Man comes and everybody's
gonna know who he is, and so I think that
would be cool. I think they start. They've introduced so
many characters, not even in the MCU with the X Men,

(01:00:12):
and you've seen all that, You've seen the Defenders, Jessica
Jones and Luke Cages and all that stuff, iron fists
and the glow stick that he has right hand. And
so I think someone that you didn't weren't expecting like
machine Man.

Speaker 6 (01:00:26):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Okay, and my pick is interesting. It might be slightly
controversial because technically I'm going to go technically we've got
one of these characters already in the MCU, but I
would not the entire team for black Bolt Medusa bringing
the Humans, but just bringing black Bolt Medusa in the movie.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Like you know about that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Yeah, that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
One you said black Bolt characters.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
That's two characters, Medusa and is black Bolts. Oh what
are you what?

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
I thought they did a mash up of black Bolt Medusa?

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
DoD what what? Why are you amused by black Bolt.

Speaker 6 (01:01:12):
Because they're the two latest fucking characters ever.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Come on, I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:01:19):
Come on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
They tried to replace the X Men with the.

Speaker 6 (01:01:22):
Okay, yes, okay, okay, I could tell her what he's saying,
black bult right, because I at least respect his character
on There the Earth and the Universe X Shape with
Alex Ross with Goat. But fucking Madusa, dude, come on,
come on, the last time we saw her, if she
was done right, but the last time we saw her
in the mc U, she cut off her fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Hair and that wasn't the m c U. They've already
established that that is part of the what you call
it universe, the age of the Shield universe, which.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
Blue Black Bull blew out his own brains.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
So yeah, no, but that's that that that was horrible.
I don't know why they made that choice. And it
really was Read.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
Richards because that's what Black Bull would do.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
That is not what Black Belt would do. That was
Read Richard's fault because he revealed to what's your face?
I was gonna say, Olsen Wanda, like what his power
was before he got to do anything, And it was
was so smart hopefully written. I mean, we all know
how I feel about Multiverse mandas. They wasn't a great movie. Yeah,
I don't know. I just I like if they're done right.

(01:02:31):
And I know Don hates them because they're the anti
x Men.

Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
Okay, but okay, not only were they the anti x Men,
but they did an X Men versus Humans storyline and
the humans whole hill that they died on was Yeah,
we know that the Clouds of Terrigian missed it, we
let out kills Dunes, but so why fuck them?

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
Like they are the less interesting, less powerful X Men.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
But my thing is I would love to see them
taken like they did with Guardians of the Galaxy. No
one gave a funk about the Guardians of Galaxy until
James Gunn came in and made them a great movie.
I think you could do that with teams like the Humans,
And I do know that what was the the other
team that no one likes? The movie with the Celestial

(01:03:28):
coming out of the Earth? What was that was? Ye
are just as bad, but that was such a bareyt
X Men. That's all they are, Tronron. I used to
like you, you know what I say to that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:46):
I don't remember asking you a goddamn thing.

Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
Yeah, there they They're what you get when you ordered
the X Men from wish.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Black will destroy you with a single word.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Probably will that I want to black bolt.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
And that's what at the LA Wildfires anyway, That's right.
So that was my thoughts. I don't know. I you
know what, let us know in the comments down below,
what character hasn't been in it that you want to see,
because there are plenty out there. There are characters that
are coming in. That's why I didn't say Luke Cage

(01:04:22):
because we know he's coming We know Frank Castle's coming back,
we know Daredevil's coming back, Like there's some of my
favorite characters. Really, I don't know about Iron Fist. If
we're going to get a new Iron Fist or if
they're gonna bring in Finn Jones, we'll see.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
I'll do it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Is Fin your cousin. I just realized that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Name Jones? Yeah, I never heard of them. No, not
the glow Stick of the Destiny guy. Yep, yeah, all right,
all wrong, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
All right, guys, let's take a quick commercial break and
come back with our main topic.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
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Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
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Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
You?

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Bet?

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
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Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
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Speaker 5 (01:05:14):
Hold on, hold on, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
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Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
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Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
Nice?

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Yeah, that's my Yeah. And if you're wondering why I haven't,
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(01:05:55):
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All right, guys, there is a new version of Spider
Man out there on Disney Plus. We got the first
two episodes dropped this week, and it's to our friendly
neighborhood Spider Man. Interesting take before we get into it.
I didn't want to point this out because I saw
a thing where they were talking about they had a

(01:06:16):
near perfect score on Rotten Tomatoes. So so far it
has a ninety seven percent on the Tomato Ometer, so
that's the critics score, and as sixty three percent of
the viewers. So I have a lot of thoughts on this,
so I'm curious what you guys thought. Don't worry about spoilers.
We're not going to do any of that stuff. Let
me know. So, I'm sure we've all at least to

(01:06:38):
watch the first episode. I watched the first two, and
of course our guest Tim, you can go first. What
did you think of this take on the Spider Man?

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
I thought it was fantastic. It took me about oh
five minutes or so, no more than ten to get
used to the art. Me being in an artist watching
it for that mostly, so it took I was like, oh,
what if kind of art look to it, But after

(01:07:06):
a few minutes I was just like, this is great,
different take. I love the web shooters and just the
whole thing. They make it look like it's like a
I said to my daughter, it's like a dumb down
Spider Man into the Spider Verse. So they it still
looked like a comic book, but it wasn't. So, you know,
those things were incredible artistically, but this was I think

(01:07:27):
this was done really well. It was a lot of
fun to watch a different take on it and characters
coming in that I didn't expect, which was really cool.
And like you say, there's no spoilers, so I don't
want to get into the details of it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
But no, I meant usually we do an initial take
and then going to spoilers. I meant, you guys can
spoil all you want right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this
is this is a movie. It's it's on Disney Plus,
so people, can you know, spoil away? That's what I met.

Speaker 6 (01:07:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
The way that they had them get bit by the
Spider I thought was kind of cool. I was I didn't,
you know, expect that at all. And then when I
started coming out of the what was it a portal
or something Doctor Stranger's portal multiverse coming in again, It's
almost like when you got that that lingering piece of
ship dangling and the your asshole closes up. That's what

(01:08:17):
happened with that. It just snapped the web and the
spider fl That's what went through my mind. So dingle
Berry on the string, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Do you honest after I.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Haven't Yeah, I haven't gone in quite a while. I'll
be okay, no, But I I thought it was I
thought it was great. I thought it was a lot
of fun. I watched both episodes back to back, and
the second episode landed on an awesome CLIFFHANGERU. Yeah, I
was just like, whoa on the same idea as what
was it no way Home? Was it no way home?

(01:08:57):
Or where James Jonah Jameson figured out it was Peter
who was Peter Parker?

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Yeah, ends with no no far from home?

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
Ends with from that went through my mind, I was like, Okay,
here we go, but it is Norman Osborne that's start
on camera or whatever and stuff, so well, similarities there,
like the scene where he comes home and may is
on the couch and they it was like, oh wait,
it's Tony Starker. It's not.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
And it is a shot for shot recreation of yeah yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:09:29):
Same music too, same song.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
But I love the what I've seen some clips where
he's got a different suit on it. I don't even
know if that's him.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Yeah, well it's a wait in black suit. We'll get
to that in a second. What do you what did
you think?

Speaker 6 (01:09:44):
John?

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
I liked it. I'm surprised that the tomato score is
down on the audience side. The critics seem to like it,
and they usually don't. They usually don't agree with the critics.
But I did like this. It's a new there's been
I don't know how many Spider Man animated series now

(01:10:05):
like we've seen and I'm talking since early yeah, I'm
talking since the early was no, early.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
Seventies, sixties, sixties, all right, the sixties.

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
Where he's swinging through that and they have the same
background for five minutes to go back. They're saving a
lot of money there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
I like it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
It's an interesting it's an interesting thing, especially with Osbourne
on that cliffhanger, because now you don't know where the
hell it's going. To go because normally you know what
the beats are, but that's a different song, So I'm
interested to see where that one goes.

Speaker 6 (01:10:38):
Okay, it definitely is a little bit preachy on the
political end, but outside of that, I feel that this series,
the first two episodes that I watched, really did keep
to the essence of Peter Parker. I think that the
representation of the main character of the series, Dan for

(01:10:58):
someone that isn't the biggest Spyman fan, still did keep
that frantic essence of Peter Parker, the boy genius in
high school that keeps being late to everything because he's
using his power responsibility. However, with that said, in this series,
he's not in some slick new Tony Stark suit, very

(01:11:20):
low tech where he's got an obvious some sort of
tank that he carries on the back of him in
order to shoot his webs. So they're going away from
the Toby maguire. Hey, it's just coming out of you,
like other white substances that come out of people, particularly males.
That really didn't hit me until the second episode, though

(01:11:40):
I felt the first one was a little bit preachy.
I don't know how I feel about the New Origin
As Tim mentioned, this Spider thing came out of portal
instead of it just being a radioactive Spider, so that
definitely is going to be the biggest pivot point there
from his origin in the comic books. I'll sided that
though they went really quick into hey, he was bit

(01:12:03):
by this alien spider and boom, here he is now
as Spider Man. Like they they went light speed between
those two moments, so I was a little bit confused,
But overall though, I felt this second episode was a
very good representation of the character of Peter Parker and
Spider Man. Now with that said, that's right, five hundred

(01:12:25):
pound Elfant Ramman address you. If you're not a fan
of race and gender swaps, you're gonna be upset by this.
I can already tell that. I personally don't care. I
think it worked just fine. But if you're a part
of that group, probably didn't like to alcolyte too much.
There's a ven diagram there and you guys intersect. But again,

(01:12:46):
if you don't like race and gender swaps, you might
be aggravated by this series. I personally wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
That's pretty good, Okay, I don't believe the Spider Man
fan let's go.

Speaker 5 (01:12:59):
I can ask a question, why did you think it
was preachy?

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
I didn't think it was preachy. That's why I know.

Speaker 6 (01:13:04):
No, why don thought I thought the first episode had
some liberal talking points. Definitely seem like they made this
one before the election results. With that said, guys, politically
and cu T'Challa, if you want listen, what do you do?
We don't do that here. I believe in universal care

(01:13:25):
and the Second Amendment.

Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
So go, I don't understand what the liberal points were.

Speaker 6 (01:13:30):
Okay, do I have.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
To repeat myself? Do I have to repeat myself? We
don't do that here.

Speaker 6 (01:13:36):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
I don't think it was I don't and I'm usually
with you don on that stuff. I don't care about
the race and gender swaps that they can.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
Be bad, though they can be bad, but this didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
See doctor Connors as a woman. Now, okay, whatever. There
there is an argument to be made that there are
probably more African Americans, especially in the inner city in
New York, than there are other races, so maybe that
makes more sense to people like Okay, fine, and it's
not even a lot of the same. You don't have
your normal Betty Brandt and flash Thompson. They're all different

(01:14:13):
characters who end up being Tombstone and the Lizard and
all of that fun stuff that's coming in the future
for this show. That being set put all that aside.
We recently reviewed Absolute Batman, Absolute wonder Woman, and Abolute
Superman on this show, and these are brand new takes
on classic characters. And Absolute Batman. I said, oh, you

(01:14:35):
got to walk away from it and say, this isn't
the Batman I'm used to. This is a brand new
character and brand new takes. Okay, fine, and doing that,
I was able to enjoy the book and take it
for what it was. Absolute Superman. I felt like they
deviated way too much from his origin and I just
I didn't like it. I thought it was too much
him having to use a thing to power himself up

(01:14:56):
at night. I thought that was a stupid take. I
didn't care for it. Absolute wonder Woman. I felt like
they kept very true to Diana's spirit in that book,
and I enjoyed it right, So we went the game.
But on there that being said, no, I'm gonna keep
watching it, but no, they went too far away from
Peter Parker spider Man origin from the comics for me.

(01:15:20):
And this is like why I don't like Ultimate Spider Man.
They went way too far away from the origin, tied
him too much into oscor and him being created, and
changed it. But at least in that origin, they still
kept the death of Uncle Ben. And with great power
comes great responsibility, because that is Spider Man's mantra, that
is his battle cry. That is what makes Spider Man.

(01:15:43):
That's gone. Uncle Ben is already dead before he gets
pit by the Spider. You lost me, I'm done, sorry,
completely eliminated. What makes Peter Parker Spider Man. I'm out, Like,
this is not Spider Man anymore. This is some other
character who has his powers, but that is not Spider Man.
That's my take on it. Like, I keep watching it,
but this is not Peter Parker Spider Man. If you

(01:16:04):
wanted to do a whole new character with those powers, okay, maybe,
and the fact that they've changed everyone to try to
do a fresh take, okay, find put other people in
his life to change where he goes. But still you
got to keep great power, great responsibility. You've lost that,
you've lost, You've lost the plot that fast.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
Yeah, you don't know that it didn't happen like they
I think they.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
I don't know what happened. It's the whole point is
he gets the powers and decides he wants to use
the powers to make money for his family by doing
the wrestling well, actually to get a car, and then
he doesn't stop a thief because he's doing the wrestling thing,
and that thief is the guy who kills his uncle Ben.
Then that teaches him the lesson of the great power,
great responsibility. He's just got the powers when he does that,

(01:16:49):
so they've already killed Uncle Ben before he gets the powers,
so he's lost the whole That's the whole point of
the plot. That's what makes the Origin brilliant in the
original story and why they needed it over and over
again in all of the Origin movies and comic books
and everything that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
They've done, Like, how do you know that didn't happen?

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Because they didn't happen.

Speaker 5 (01:17:10):
He didn't have because he skipped over that point because
we've seen his origin so many times. I think they
thought everybody's sick of seeing his origin every single time.
Let's skip ahead and go.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
But we saw his origin story. He saw a spider
come out of the portal, but we didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
See what happened with We didn't see what happened with
Uncle Ben, and all.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Uncle Ben was already dead. No you can't, no, no,
like And here's the thing, it works better in Civil
War because they skipped over all of that. He's got
his powers, uncle Ben's dead. You don't know the backstory.
You don't need to know the backstory because you assume
it's the same backstory. And we had the great power
of great responsibility, even though they repeated it when they

(01:17:49):
called may which that's one of the things I thought
was a mistaken in But yeah, like to me, this
is not this isn't Peter Parker, this isn't Spider Man.
I'm not saying bad show, but this is not Peter Parker.

Speaker 6 (01:18:03):
I haven't been Why if you had to summarize why
it's not people, why would you?

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Because I think what makes him a powerful character in
fiction is the lesson, and you've thrown the lesson away
without that, it's not the same character. It's not the
same story.

Speaker 5 (01:18:20):
This guy yeah, so Emory guns.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
It's Marky Mark Yeah, Yeah, I'm Mark.

Speaker 5 (01:18:27):
Yeah so yeah. But he's got a point. So the
story changes only learns responsibility in a different.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Ways, the same reason I hate uh Spider Gwen. So
it is is, don't mess with that story. Like, that's
the story. Even an Ultimate Spider Man. They kept it,
you know. Eventually they killed Peter and Miles took over
and that was a well done story as well. But yeah, like,
now that's the whole point. We're all allowed to like
what we like. But here's the theory I have and

(01:18:55):
I wanted to. We've talked about the order the Spider
coming out of the portal, and everyone's going, oh, that's
a creature from another dimension. They never Doctor Strange never
says that. We all know that Doctor Strange has the
Eye of Agamoto and in the MCU and in this one,
obviously he can use it. It's got the Timestone in it.
He can control time. Maybe maybe that's a creature from

(01:19:19):
the future that's Venom powered up and somehow that Spider
is part of Venom and that's how Peter gets his powers.
So it's a time paradise.

Speaker 6 (01:19:28):
Is that what you want in your Spider Man series, Dave?

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
I want a true representation of Spider Man's Yeah, since
this isn't Spider Man to me, they can do whatever
they want.

Speaker 6 (01:19:40):
Okay, I don't know, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Because that the creature does very much look click venom,
so it'd be weird that it's.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
No, it's definitely a symbio thing, for sure, But absolutely
I think it's a major shift, and I don't really
feel that well about it. Instead of getting his powers
from a radioactive spider, now they're basically insinuating. Then he
gets his power from some sort of symbiot alien plug thing.

(01:20:09):
But outside of that, I don't think they're deviating from
the Peter Parker character that much at all.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
Outside of that, it's like a what if thing. I think,
let's try this version.

Speaker 5 (01:20:21):
Technically, they're all what ifs, right, every one of these
animated series have had different, different situations, different slightly different origins.
They're all what if. So it just depends on what
your tolerance is for the variant.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
They should have had the spider vitam in his paraneum.
That would be something different.

Speaker 5 (01:20:40):
So there's only so much variance that we can tolerate.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
That's right. Yeah, I went the Latin route, but I.

Speaker 6 (01:20:49):
Have a kisser chin rest, honey. Yeah you don't know
what that means? Yeah, I know, I didn't drink this week,
so I had a couple of tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
I'm sorry, Whereas I go on the well, okay, so
the argument of he can't wonder, here's the here's a question. Okay,
correct me if I'm wrong. But let's be honest. Ninety
nine point nine percent of the people in the world,
if they suddenly were bitten by radioactive spider or got
hit with gamma rays or whatever, and we're given superpowers,

(01:21:20):
especially if they're a teenager, they're gonna find a way
to use those powers to benefit themselves.

Speaker 6 (01:21:27):
No, I'm sorry, John, I really don't want you to
hate me, I swear.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
And that's again because dark John would take me out.
That is what makes the character relatable, because those people
would go and use the power to better their lives somehow.
And then the whole idea is, we've got these powers,
you can't just use them for fun. He gets he
learns the ultimate lesson by losing his father figure in
his life, and it's okay, because I use them for

(01:21:55):
wrong in this it's just oh, he's just He makes
a homemade caution with a jersey and decides to go
fight crime, and there's no explanation on why he's doing it,
and it's just that doesn't work for me. I mean,
it's interesting that we're in a world that already contains
other superheroes, obviously Doctor Strange. They showed Captain America. He
mentioned Tony Stark, so and the Arc Reactor, so we

(01:22:16):
know all of that exists. It is a full Marvel universe.

Speaker 6 (01:22:21):
So I'm just waiting for the X Men to pop up,
because the Spider Man and the X Men is a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Yes, yeah, because technically he was mutated by that fight,
but he wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:22:30):
Born to me, and they do have the rights now done.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Yeah, let's go. So that's my argument on why why
it doesn't work for Mark, because I respect your opinion, Mark,
but you're wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:22:45):
I'm surprised by that, David. I thought that you would
really enjoy this series, particularly by the second episode. I
thought they really characterized Peter very well.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
He's the interesting thing too, because you mentioned Tim, you
mentioned the other suit, and we know from the true
trailer that he gets the suit from Norman, right, So basically,
Norman Osborne's taking the place of Tony Stark and the
MCU in this version of the Spider Man story, and
he gives him the suit, and it's very reminiscent of
the Future Foundation version of his suit that he wore

(01:23:17):
in the Fantastic Four comic when he was part of
the Fantastic Four for a short time after they killed
off Johnny Storm. That's the other thing that's that that
is weird to me. It's not even the red and blue.
It's not the black. It's a white and black suit,
which is again reminiscent of a short run costume he
wore in the comics that no one cared for, but
they went, oh, that's the suit we're going with. I

(01:23:38):
thought that was a weird So I have a feeling
that's the third episode.

Speaker 6 (01:23:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
What do you tim What do you think? You're an artist,
your visual guy. What do you think of the suit?
The suit, the homemade let's start with that. The homemade suit.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
The homemade suit, I think is brilliant. Yeah, because I
didn't expect it. I didn't expect him having to turn
to the valve on to get it to work. That's
gotta be really bulky to move around in, and so
on and so forth, and the tubes coming up and
those can be broken really easy and always expecting all
of that to happen too, is expecting it to be

(01:24:14):
a pain cumbersome unit and and maybe one of those
tubes getting broken and stuff, But none of that happened.
So I thought that was really that was pretty original,
to be honest with you.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
And huh, it's gotten caught a few times, so it
may happen.

Speaker 6 (01:24:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
I think they're going to do that work eventually. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:32):
But and the new suit, I'm anxious to see. It
looks pretty pretty high tech. We'll see what happens with that.
I think there's gonna be a lot of I didn't
see that coming with this series, to be honest with you. Yeah,
because there's been so many Spider Man's animated Spider Man's
and the movie Spider Man's and all this stuff, and
it's it all seems to be what's the way to

(01:24:53):
looking for it all seems to be redone, rebooted, all
this stuff, we're saying this, saying that same. So this
comes along and it's a completely what if Spider Man
was like this? And it almost seems like he's passed
all that responsibility shit, So he didn't really need to
have Uncle Ben tell him that. So that they're past that.

(01:25:13):
They're more interested in him in this new universe as
it were with this. So I don't know what to
that's the thing. I don't know what to expect. I
didn't expect Norman Osborne to take him under his wing
like Tony Stark did per se. There's going to be
I'm sure there's something in it for Osborne, but I
can't wait for the other episodes, so we'll see what happens.

Speaker 5 (01:25:35):
That's bad, right, Osborne is going to screw that up, right.
He's not Tony Stark, He's not altruistic. He's going to
That makes me nervous. That's why I want to see
what happens with the rest because Osborne, that's not a
good person for him to find out.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
My son has a very interesting theory, but it and
it goes along with Thorn says. Because Thorn says like
that suit's been available in a lot of the games,
so they're trying to draw in the fans of the
games to watch the show. And one of the stories
the story in Spider Man two, which I'm currently playing,
but I know that the story is that, and they

(01:26:12):
did this in one of the cartoons as well. Harry's
actually sick and he's got some rare disease and they
create the venom symbia to heal him, basically, and so
it's a lab experiment. It's not an alien my sons thinking.
Norman gives him that suit and it's reading all his
biometrics and learning about him, and they're saving all that

(01:26:34):
information so they can create the venom symbio. And thus
that makes sense. That's why my brain wents to, Oh,
there's a time paradox, and that's the suit going crazy
and strange trying to stop it and creates that portal
that goes back in time instead of just to a
different location. So just a thought like that theory, and
again it goes along with the idea of drawing in

(01:26:54):
the people who are fans of those games, because the
games are huge. I don't know if any of you
have played them. Don europic gamer.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
I don't play games.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
No, I don might be drunk.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
WHOA Okay, that can looks like Spider Man's thing that
he has. Yeah, she's does have a valve on it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Don knows a lot about Spider Man's thing.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
Yeah, he's got the painter tingle.

Speaker 5 (01:27:29):
Don go drunk. Your home.

Speaker 6 (01:27:31):
My wife has no idea what's in store for her
in about fifteen minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
I think a slap in the phases in the store
for you.

Speaker 6 (01:27:38):
Probably, No, not at all. My lovely wife will equiesce.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
Keep telling yourself that, keep telling yourself.

Speaker 6 (01:27:47):
I know you're right.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
He's been a long time since I've asked. We asked.

Speaker 6 (01:27:56):
The consent though. If I don't get.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
Concent last time I did that, I had to pay
for dinner. So it's a slapper laugh anytime, John, It's okay,
it's all right? Is this is this too fast?

Speaker 6 (01:28:13):
Yeah? My boy John struggles. Man, I don't know if
that's about.

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
But I can slow down. I really, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
I'm good. What you said that burns my parente?

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
And stop? What time is it's?

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Have you ever done that? Have you ever done? Stand up? Tim?

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
I have actually?

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Oh okay, I have.

Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
I stopped because people.

Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
Just like that does not surprise me at all.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Wait, stop you stop because of what.

Speaker 4 (01:28:49):
People just laughed at me, So I.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
Just that's what they're supposed to do, all right, damn it?

Speaker 5 (01:28:55):
Tim?

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
All right, okay, all right, John, John's uncomfortable, so I
guess we'll wrap this conversation up a little bit. Are
we all going to keep watching it? I'm going to
keep watching.

Speaker 6 (01:29:07):
Yeah, I totally am. I gotta tell you we didn't
touch upon this at all. But I love the animation.
I love the comic style of this. I love them
showing the panels, and honestly, I think the comic book
should look like this. And again, outside of the race
and gender swasters, I don't care at all. I think
it's really fun.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
I do.

Speaker 6 (01:29:29):
I really had a good time, particularly with the second episode. Yeah,
I'm all on it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
I'm on it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:34):
It's enjoyable very much.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Again, I'm curious where the story goes, but it's just
not Spider Man to me. That's I guess it's the
best thing I could say. I don't hate it, but
it's not Spider Man.

Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
We'll call him paraneum Man. How's that we're going around?
That joke? Out right there?

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
That's it out right there?

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
Oh, don't shave there. I ought to know. All rights
difficult holding a mirror there. It really is just saying's.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
Bring this one in for landing. Let's go around the room.
Tell me, either what did you learn on the podcast
this week or do you have any recommendations, and of course, Tim,
the floor is yours. Uh you know, answer one of
the questions or just plug away, let people know where
they can find.

Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
I love being on with you guys. I want to
do it again. So it was a lot of fun.
I'm sure my wife's fast asleep by now, so which
can be fine. But I really love being on with
you guys. So I so we talked about people just
tuning in this the soda QR code. Make sure you
zap that. Take it to the website. So there's soap soda.

(01:30:53):
This is my latest book here, so Dog Gone Miserable.
I'm working out my latest one, so hopefully I get
that done soon. Get off my ass and get that done.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
I want to.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
Plug this, you say, plug away, So here I go.
This is a kid in the comic and this is
a comic. This is a newspaper with all comics, all
of it. And I'm in here somewhere. I won't open
it because it's p ands, but I'm in here. There's
a lot of big shots in this in this newspaper.
You can find this all over the place. Comic shops

(01:31:26):
can subscribe. This is a lot of fun and sour Grapescomic.
Dot Comic is the website. You can go on there
and see all kinds of fun stuff. In this episode,
we're going to put on there on my website so
people can tune in and see that. And there's a
list of newspapers on there that I'm in, so hopefully
in your area you could see Sour Grapes in print

(01:31:49):
and so anything else I need to add.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
As long as you keep your parents your out of
your PARADEGM, I think you're fine.

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
That would sting.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
I think, yeah, a little.

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
A little bit, nothing that some petroleum jelly can't help.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
All right, doll, I saw you grab your pussy. Uh
you did tell me? Did you learn anything this week
or do you have any recommendation? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:32:18):
I learned this week very amusingly that the Inhumans are
nothing other than the t move version of the X Men,
So I love that very much. Outside of that my recommendations.
All right, Marvel rivals, again, I say to you, for
any of those needing a tank in your squad, if

(01:32:39):
you could please, I don't know at me on Twitter
or some Square seventy, but just fun game, fun free
game that's on every system. It's cross platform, check it out.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Yeah, my son's been playing at NonStop since he came out.
He plays it on PC.

Speaker 6 (01:32:54):
So I'll give you a well Mega level n E
because there's not enough characters for nerve words Omega level
n EVE. If you want to friend me John.

Speaker 5 (01:33:06):
I'm gonna do my normal anime recommendations. There's two. I
think that I mentioned this one before, I can't remember,
so I'm gonna mention it again. Magic Maker How to
Make Magic in Another World. It's about a guy who
gets isekaide to another world and there's magic there, but
nobody knows how to actually use it, and so he's
learning step by step how to become a wizard. But

(01:33:27):
he'll be the first and it's done really well. And
then the other one would be from bureaucrat to Villainous.
Dad's been reincarnated and it's about a fifty fifty two
year old man who gets reincarnated as the villainess in
an Atoma game. So Anatoma game is that one where
you go in as the main character and you have

(01:33:48):
to romance several characters in the aha, but now he's
the villainess and the only reason knows anything about the
world is because his daughter was playing it when he
got killed. So he's playing it as the villainess as
a fifty year old man, and it's hilarious. There you go,
all right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
I learned that when Don gets drunk, he gets randy
and grabs pussy's and that Tim is obsessed with anuses
and paradems.

Speaker 4 (01:34:14):
It's just because I know a lot of assholes. That's all.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
Perfect. I will I will recommend that have you gotten
this far in the podcast and you haven't done so
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Speaker 6 (01:34:58):
All right, I.

Speaker 3 (01:34:59):
Also recommend you go to Superherspeak dot com, where you
can find the podcast every week links to all our
social media at the top of the page. Comic book reviews.
The comic book reviews that we have been putting on
YouTube and Instagram and all those fun places are now
also available on the website under the review section. So
go check those outs. I don't know what I'm reviewing

(01:35:19):
this week yet, I have three books in my inbox
and Don has been smashing it with his book reviews too,
So yeah, go check those out. If you're here on YouTube,
you don't want to go to the website, just look
on our playlist. There is a comic review playlist there
and that is it. I don't have any recommendations. Wait,
you know what I do. My girlfriend and I watched

(01:35:42):
an old movie that i'd seen before and I love
it though, The Greatest Showman starring my Man Crush, my
Ultimate Man Crush, Hugh Jackman playing Arnham. It's an old
Disney movie. It is a musical, and in fact, my
girlfriend even said, you're gay for you Jackman. I'm like, yeah,
i am. I'm not gonna lie. He's a handsome man,
and I learned. We watched the movie and we were like, wait,

(01:36:03):
was that ever actually a musical on Broadway? No, but
this year it was a passion project of Hugh Jackmans.
There is a musical going to Broadway starring him. I
will be going to that once it comes out. And
then Thron says, weird Jim Carrey movie Dark Crimes. I
don't know that one. I might have to check that out.
So that is it, Boys and Girls. That is the

(01:36:25):
show for the week. I don't know where don went.
I'm he's looking for some more pussy. I don't know.
On that note, As always, thanks for watching, don't get
caught in the door, see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
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