#594: First Steps towards a Fantastic Film

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Superheroespee, Yeah, Story John and John, John, the Little jazz.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Manas last, are you gonna welcome to Superhero Speak your
host Dave and John and don you seem a little
too happy that are done and you have to watch
the TV show now that you didn't want to watch?

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Ye Oh? Is that because of the super Bowl?

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Whatever?

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Super Bowl Bowl? Yeah, the super Bowl? Yeah. I figured, Hey,
I'm like, okay, hey, listen, I make this back because
I really want you guys to watch Invincible because it's
really good. It's not perfect, but it's really good. And
podcast podcast I don't want to said that podcast we
really should be talking about it in my opinion, But
I'm like, okay, So either a Dave's gonna watch Invincible
or be Yeah. I'm not a Kansasated Cheese fan whatsoever,

(01:03):
so I'm like, I don't want to see them three
peat whatsoever. My buddy to have his team get a
Super Vocals I'll never know as a Cleveland Browns fan,
So I won either way. The Creature Commandos upset in
the Dogs, but it'll be okay.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
They just want to be a part of the Creature Commandos.
I actually watched the entire first season of Invincible. It's awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it's a little of it that they
use a lot of red in the show or yes,
but I feel it's very very decently written.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Again, not perfect, and it's just it's yes, it's superhero deconstruction,
but there's more to it though you still get to
see superhero stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I find that it's I find that it's much easier
to stomach than the Boys for some reason. Yes, just
gratuitous and this there's a reason why. There's a reason
why everybody's doing everything, including the murder. It's not just ooh,
I'm evil. I'm gonna show you how evil killing this person.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
If the Superman's strength level character karate chops you in
the neck, it's you're gonna fucking explode. It's just the
way it is. So yeah, you should watch it, David,
and we should really should be talking about it. It's
just saying not a super Saiyan, just saying.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Cassan, no lies man, no notes. Awesome.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yeah, yeah, agreed, absolutely, even from me and Accola, I'm
still invincible.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
I understand.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
That's why I don't mention Accolae. I understand that you
like it, and I can understand why, And that's fine.
I'm not gonna keep duncan I We've been over there.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
You bring up a good point though, about if you
if someone with super strength karate chops you in the
neck and you're just a regular person. And they always
they always say in the comics and the cartoons and
stuff that Superman pulls his punches when he's fighting people.
So he doesn't, and Spider Man does two and Spider Man,
where are the lost panels of the first time they

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went to fight crime and they know they needed to
hold their punch that had some hero at some point,
don't show it. I think we need to guess. That's
what invincibles they have.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's called a movie called Hancock and it's called The Boys.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
I something invincible is so overt with ridiculousness, like it's gory,
but A it's animated, so that helps with that part.
But B that's it's all for a purpose. It's not
just hey, let's show a guy with a giant.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Dick and again, like there's a reason why Omni Man
was killing people and such. It wasn't gratuitous, it was
it was part of his character. And he has a
character arc it's yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Don't know what.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
It's just it's way easier to stomach than the boys, because,
like you said, it's well written.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
It really is all right.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Besides besides Invincible coming Back, because I haven't watched it,
so we'll talk about it at some point. How's everyone's
week been, John, I.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Stole a cat. Okay, I didn't steal Okay, stay with me.
I didn't steal a cat. A cat I told you
last week the cat started living on my porch. Yeah,
so this cat you shay. I'm going to shay. This
cat and my cat not getting along, mostly because my
cat is not great at getting along with other cats
except the one across the street that used to live there.

(04:11):
For whatever reason, I have no idea, but I had
this new cat to the vet, no chip, no nothing,
no hits on the paw boost I put out. I
spent extra money for the Facebook ads for what fifteen
mile radius? Nothing. So like I'm sitting here going, why
do I have a cat that was already fixed, is
in really good shape, is pretty young, like already being fixed,

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no chips or anything. But like it just tells me
that belongs to somebody and either they abandoned him, or
he ran away or what. I can't find an owner.
And then this morning I was downstairs watching TV before
I had to start work, and I hear a boom
and I'm like, oh, it's just Shay going around learning
the layer of the house. I come upstairs. He's gone.

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He pushed my storm door open and left the house
on his own.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Oh I didn't.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
He's a big cat. I didn't think he was strong
enough to push the storm door open. None of my
other cats ever could freaked out about that. I'm like,
he'll come back for dinner. He did come back for dinner.
He's now under the couch over there, and I'm still
sitting here, going what do I do. I'll just keep
hanging on to him until somebody comes to my door saying,
where the hell's my cat. I don't know what to do.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
He was fixed, Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
It was fixed. So yeah, And that's the crazy thing, like,
even if it is does belong to somebody and they're
still around here, they've been leaving him mountain five degree weather. Yeah,
it doesn't seem like they were feeding him very well.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
So that the cat Lady transfer is now complete like
I said last week, it is. And as long as
you're cool with him going and as you were basically
where he goes to get away from the weather and predators.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Then my neighbor is hilarious. He said, John, you were
the best cat lady this neighborhood has ever had. I'm like, oh, thanks, yeah,
so yeah. Oh, Also I'm going for as this is Friday.
If you were a man of a you really should
get this is your PSA. Also understand that if you

(06:10):
are going to go for one, take the day and
the day before off because you're not doing any days.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
All right, from uh the great job.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Actually, actually it's important. We can make fun of it,
but no, it's forty five fifty. You have to get
one if you're a man. It's one of those necessary
things when you get old. Yeah, you can do the
colon guard now, yeah, but it's not as accurate.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Anyway. All Right, that's an interesting transition now that everyone's
thinking about your ass, not until you.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
I'm trying to do a service here and make sure
that the.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Planets they need to do this. Yeah, the planets will
be aligned this year, you guys. Hear that one, and
you'll be able to see your anus.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
And the plants did a ligne actually or are going
to line like all of them. You can have that
free gee this year?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
All right, don how are you doing it?

Speaker 4 (07:06):
A giant beer? Yeah, giant. I was having a pretty
good week and then I made it too. Here we go,
first world problems, first world problems. Okay, but I make
it to my Saturday morning. Which it's funny. I'm almost
forty five years old, and Saturday Morning is still like
my cartoon play a video game time still to this day. Okay,

(07:27):
there we have it, and so I want to play
Marvel Rivals. I get a few moments before I log
into work here for a few had an hour and
h psns down all the PlayStation.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
That was, oh, it's a big thing. Nobody else five
can play anything.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
They can now it's back up now. But it's just
and I don't want to be that boomer that, oh,
retro games are better because you're putting it in and
you press the button and it goes. No. I'm not
gonna be that, even though I truly feel that this
is okay, But this is Marvel Rivals. It's an online game,
is free. I wrote the check. Okay, I'll cash it,
but it's still just a little bit on the frustrating

(08:04):
side there. So outside of that though, good ship like
you talked about earlier, though I did want to bet
you into watching Invincible. That didn't happen, but looks like
we may have brought you to that side anyway. Really
something we should be talking about just.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Oh no, an animated superhero show? Twist my arm went.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
On exactly like, I really don't think it'd be difficult,
but yeah, that's how pretty good, reasonably pretty good? So
what about the John and the cats? And the cats
and not getting along with your other cat? What's going
on in the world of Amish Country, Pennsylvania there? But
you do you really if you want your office? John

(08:42):
the Office? Have you ever watched that show?

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, bits and pieces. I like the original.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
I understand it's way more cringey, but yeah, you really
don't remind me of Dwhite Screw from that on that show?
Is that what the end of the day, they've already
caught it because he wants that show just about or beats? Yeah,
he lives on a beat farm. Yeah, it's just I
don't know, it's the funny. So it's so fucking accurate

(09:10):
as far as working in office. Like, it was just
watching one of the shows the other day where this
guy was a doctor but he's working in a call center.
And I know this Egyptian lady who's like a doctor
in Egypt. But yeah, she's like working and she's funny,
and you remind me of White true. Okay, So how's
it going, John, other Other than me making fun.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Of you, I don't have to look that up. I
don't know that character.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
It beats Bear's Mettle Star.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
He's dude that lives out on a farm but he
works in the office and he's all about like d
and Star Wars. He's just he's funny. He's a double
edged sword because he's like a cool character, but he's
also the dick so.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Fun Yeah, but I I technically he went so Dave
to tell us how he did.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, the beer talking just actually, I think besides work,
I spent the majority of my week setting up my
new laptop because it was funny. Once I got the
majority of the software installed and got some stuff transferred
off my old machine, my old machine just started shutting
off for no reason. So I was like, ah, it

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was time. The gods were telling me. The computer guys
were like, yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
It's it's like that scene with the Captain Jack Spurrow
as a ship of sinking and he likes he's on
the top mast and steps off the dock. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, but this would be a lot better anyway. This
has got twice the ram as my old computer. My
old computer was a dual corps. This is a quad core,
so it's already I can tell. It's a lot faster
than my other machine. So same size hard drive though,
and they were both solid states. But I'm probably gonna
get a cloud accountant part putting everything in the cloud. Anyway.

(10:44):
But yeah, that was my That was my big thing
this week. And then of course there was a football
little football game yesterday that was the only time. That
was the fourth time the Eagles have been to the
Super Bowl, and everyone kept saying Kansas City was going
to win, and boy did the Eagles smack.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
The ship of the Giants.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Oh my god. Obviously great for you. But I also
heard there was some some damage in the city of
Philadelphia as a part of the celebration, so I just.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
That. Okay, so hold on, let me let me tell you. Yeah,
there were fireworks going off all night. But like for
some reason in Philly they always talk about the people
going crazy whatnot. When the Celtics won the NBA Championship,
they were overturning and setting cars on fire in Boston.
Please stop saying Philly is the worst fans because they're

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bad all over the place when their teams win.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
It's not the year I moved into Pennsylvania. They threw
at a football game. They threw one of the fans
of the opposing team off the second floor balcony, and
there began the Eagles court where they had to move
an actual judge and balance into the stadium to handle

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the Philly the Philly fans, So don't tell me they're
not they greased. I'm saying freaking lampposts in the city
in case that they won, and they still climbed up
onto the lamp.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
People do that in all the city's casan here, an asshole,
he said. Philly people suck all of them, every single
one you sucked.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Listen. I will say, though, the Cleveland people are great.
Not Cleveland's about forty minutes from me. But the Cavs
won back in twenty sixteen, and this is the city
of Cleveland. We don't win shit. So one of our
teams actually won a World championship or what we want
to call it. Like, we actually had like over a
million people in downtown Cleveland and like, no an incidents whatsoever.

(12:46):
It's a great freaking time. I worked twenty minutes from
where it happened. I actually stayed back at the office
so everybody could go enjoy. I thought the Indians were
gonna win a whole other thing here. We got beat
by the cub.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
It's the cheese steaks, all these Philly fans. They're just
looking to burn it off somehow.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
And the Indians have never won the World Series back
in like the nineteen forties. Oh yeah, but their lifetime. Yeah,
maybe it was.

Speaker 6 (13:12):
No Cleveland were hope dies of brutal Godissan brutal and fans.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
And he's got ample evidence to his point. I'm sorry. Yeah,
the normal chiefs, Yeah, the normal refs. That's what I
thought too, Randy. I was like, yeah, obviously, in the
sports world, Cleveland really is nice. Other otherwise, yeah, sports
talk cven fish now in the burning River. The river
that caught fire back then actually cleaned up a lot

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since honestly, honest to.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
God, it has no I know that there used to
be a problem before regulation that way.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Right now nonetheless can burn, so everybody's gonna remember that.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
But it was funny because my girlfriend works in a
school and the first thing was actually her son goes
to school in Millersville, which is like an hour and
a half drive, and he came home this past weekend,
so she had to take him back to school on Sunday,
and her plan was to get home before the game
was over. Unfortunately, she got into the area just as
the game. Anyone who watched the game knows it was

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over in the last like there was two minutes on
the clock, but the game was over at that point.
And yeah, she had a hard time basically navigating through
the streets to get to her house. And then she
said there were fireworks going off all night, so she
was tired when she got up. And then half of
the students were out. That happens, and then he said
the ones that were there were all miserable. Come up

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all night.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
All right, I don't understand that. I've never done that
to my kids. Oh wake up or don't go to bed.
It's a super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
That's because the Browns were never one.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Randy, I actually have caught several out from not the
Cuyahoga River, but the Rocky is very close. And yeah,
oh three great Simpson reference.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
A cad says, I have a sister in law from Cleveland,
mentor I know it has improved except winning. Winning doesn't
happen in Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
He's not wrong, which is why, by the way, NBA
hero speaks right, is the greatest basketball player Rose. You
can say that Michael Jordan has six rings and he
never watched the final, but Lebron James won a title
for Cleveland, which is worth like ten. He's the greatest.
Go mss F Curry, both born in Akron, both born
in the same hospital Akron, Ohio. Makes champion.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
But you do, guys, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, so.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
You're not supposed to adsitany that the Science Hall is
way better. And then it's just right across the parking lot.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
So I was gonna come to Cleveland just to go
there with you, but apparently not.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Now, you know what, you would probably appreciate it because
you're like a guitar guy, like I tried to play
bass guitar in high school and I don't know, I
couldn't get good enough, but as a music because Leonato,
you probably would like.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
All right, And I guess the other thing that we
did though I have I haven't watched the newest episode yet,
but we've all watched Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man still.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
I watched him. Is the latest episode tonight or I've
seen it. I think I've seen up to five whatever
the lads.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Five. I haven't finished. I'm
halfway through episode five. And then we had to come
on and do this. Yeah, I'm like it. I'm now
looking at this as a giant what if version of
Spider Man and that it's take the it's like a
I feel like it's a spin off from the MCU,

(16:37):
but it's what if because all the stuff happening in
the background, it's all happened in the mc They're all
they're talking about all of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
It is hewing very close to the timeline, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Just the fact that Peter has made his appearance and
it's now civil war going on in the background, and
that's right out of the MCU timeline, and.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
It's tracking everything except for or where Spider Man was involved.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
In instead of Tony being his mentor.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
It's yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop on that
one that that's the only thing that that I'm just cring,
you know how Like I I just because of OCD
and everything, I just emotionally like really connect and so
like when I see somebody doing something cringe, I cringe
and I it just it's why I have a hard
time watching something that's too bloody, like The Boys and

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all that, or watching situational comedy where it's all about
people just making complete asses of themselves. But this is
like I'm sitting there watching this, I'm going, oh god,
he's gonna he's gonna turn well.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Anytime, I'm gonna say the thing that I was bothering
about the show, and it's gonna sound silly. They're making
me like Norman Osbourne so far, like they haven't presented
his dark side yet, which you know, there is obviously
a guy who pushes a button and it locks down
his entire office and he has that already set up. Yeah,
he's got secrets, but but so far he hasn't shown

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and any ill intent towards Peter, and I was kept like.
I was like, yeah, I was on the edge of
it the whole time, get back and forth. And then
when he shows up in his office and Harry's there
and Harry finds spoiler alert, Harry finds out his secret.
But this is all can in the comments the two
comics that two of them do eventually figure out he's
Spider Man and they can make him go no, go

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away because my son's here, And it was just like, huh.
It was like that's something that somebody is trying to
protect his secret would do. That's that's how it came
off to me. And I'm like, don't make me like Norman.
He's a bad He's gonna be the Green Goblin. We
know it's going that way.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
And Tombstone, right, that's a am I remembering that quickly.
That's a marvel that Lonnie is an actual bad guy.
But yeah, yeah, like incredibly hard to get well.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
And he's also yeah, and he's also like a gangster,
like in a gang and stuff. The original was a gangster.
Then it was like a gang member. And they're setting
that story up so hard in this show so far.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
I felt they made him turn to the gang a
little bit too quickly. I would have appreciated if they
gave it another if he struggled with it for another
episode or two.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Your complaints, Yeah, yeah, that that whole tombstone how he
got in the gang. So basically, his brother got in
the gang. He goes to the hideout and the leader
Big Don was like, hey, I'll let your brother go
if you come into the gang, and he's okay, Well
he made he's.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
The one who proposed it because he was trying to
protect yours.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
But I'm like, okay, great, get out, get the fuck
out of there. And that's why I thought he was
gonna do okay, yeah, absolutely call the cop. But he didn't.
He's okay, yep, I'm just I'm your thug. Now, come on,
this is the real world. They all got cell phones.
He should have got out of there and be like, yeah,
hello police, Yeah there's a gang and they're located there
in the real world.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Though they aren't going to catch the entire gang. What
are they gonna when are they going to hold those
guys on? They I know nothing on them. And from
then on he'll be watching or he'll be looking over
over his shoulder the whole for the rest of his
life because gangs do not take that kindly man.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
And that's they've done that. It's a story that even
a thousand times and movies and TV shows like he's
protecting his little brother. That's what it's really about. And
then and the fear of retaliation if they walks away
from them. But I also they're also trying to set
it up where there are other gangs in New York
and they're protecting the block that they live on, which is.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
You know, they're having women fight other big dudes and
like that. There's another complaint I had, And I'm not
trying to be that guy that's all women.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
You're that guy, I guess.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
So I have two daughters and I don't want to
ever restrict their thought or think that they can't accomplish something.
But I would never tell them, hey, but go ahead
and get into a fight with men. I'm just never
saying that. And so I think that the show is
just the writing is a little bit goofy to me
on some of the parts. But as I'm saying all that,
because I've only said negative things so far in this segment,
I really do the show I love the I don't

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think like every comic book, animated Marvel thing should be
exactly this. I love how they everything like the come.
I love how like people with black hair, but they
want to shade it differently, so they used the blue
just like the nineteen eighties fucking Venom shit Like. I
love that. So anyway, I just I don't know. I
felt bad because the only thing I've said is negative
things about the rule.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
I think I like the touch of bringing in Peter's
other identities from the comics. That was a short lived
thing in the nineties where it was after Ben Riley, Right,
Ben Riley was Spider Man, so he decided to try
to find a new identity and there was Dusk Prodigy
and Hornet and but the one they didn't do was Bricochet,
And that's the only character the version.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
That I liked that was that was funny.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Yeah, I think it was.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Like yeah, and it was like it was a cool
way to do Oh, here are other costumes and identities
were trying and still stay true to Cannan in the comics.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
How do you like how do you like the fact
that he is wanting a blue and red suit to
mimic Captain.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
And that is that suit from comic Cannon.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Suit he's wearing now is like future Foundation.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, so it wasn't the comics when he was part
of the Fantastic Four for sure.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yeah, this one's kind of white and blue. But again
they're doing that weird black blue shading thing, which again yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Or what's the other character anti Venom? He was white
and black. Yeah, I mean it, it's its own thing.
I don't mind him wanting red and blue to mimic
Captain America because that's long established that he's like a
Captain America fanboy in the comics when some of the
other cartoons it was it's like it was the MCU
where he No, they did it in Civil War in

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the comics too, where he was an Ironman fanboy, and
then he got volved with Tony Stark. But like historically
it's always been Captain America. But like he's the character
in Marvel they make everyone look up to the moral
compass for a lot of in the comics. So yeah,
I don't mind. It makes sense. I think they're hitting
at eventually he'll end up in the Red and Blue, but.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Showing you as much because in the intro, which I'm
really starting that we're starting to enjoy that interest. They
show you the progression of the suits. Yeah, hearly see
it's going to be it's stop me if I'm jumping
the gun here. What did you think of against spoiler
alert or the introduction of audio auto?

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Octavia's interesting, right, interesting? Right, he's a He's not a
scientist who's doing experiment that goes wrong. He's a criminal mastermind.
It is close to the comic books, the original talk
in the comics they did.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
They did hint at maybe he had been doing experiments
for CORP and got kicked out. Haven't really nailed that down,
but he did react to Osbourne's name rather vociferously, So.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yes, yeah, and that's interesting too. But like, at the
same time, he has this that symbol on the stuff
he's selling, the eight. You know, maybe his CORP I
think is in the video games. At least you would
think that Norman would have recognized. But maybe not. But
then again, maybe he does. And that's the whole thing
he's not telling him, and that could also lead to

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why he's actually helping him. Okay, he saved his son,
and that's a good story. But at the same time,
is he trying to stop Otto and he knows that
he can't do it, so he needs someone like Spider
Man stop. I'm curious. That's the whole thing. I've gotten
curious where they're going with because that would be interesting,
right because then he can like feign and that's where
he could be. Oh my god, that could be his turn. God,

(24:26):
I feel like I'm writing this and no one's listening
to me. That could be his villain turn. Is the
start of his villain turn where you know he Spidey
goes after Oh and stops him, and then Norman declares
he doesn't know Spider Man at all, like cuts off
all ties and just can just say it was a
superhero and a super villain fighting. And Peter's in a

(24:47):
situation where he needs his help and he doesn't help
him because he's trying to act like, you know, he's
clean of that man writing the show.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
And they're sitting up that a lot of the stuff
that that Octavius is making it. It looks like that's
partly going to pay off as the Sinister Six, right, Like,
I can't that the one guy in this last episode,
the big guy that's going to be Rhino and his
friend is right, the woman was Unicorn.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
That is that was that is Rhino, that's Dmitri. That
that's the character.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
So it looks like Otto is the one who's like
creating the Sinister Six, or at least the tech that
they Yeah, he had the Shocker, right, the woman the
brother and sister or the was it the Yeah, that
was that her tech was the Shocker could be his.
I don't know, I didn't write somebody.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
I can't think of the character's name from the comics
slip shot something like that. Yeah, so yeah, like these again,
these are all characters from the comics. Like, they didn't
invent anyone for this show yet, but they probably won't.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
They don't need to. Spider Glories like one of the
most It's got the deepest bench of like almost any
other superhero that.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Is also comic canon. It was originally doc oc who
put this in each other.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Oh, okay, there you go.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, yeah, where are they going with's Scorpion too? Is
he going to go to Auto to get a suit?

Speaker 3 (26:09):
And Doc Connors is in there? It's a woman But yeah,
but we're not that's going to pay off at some point.
We hope because that in some of the movies and
never got paid off in the first trilogy.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Right, Yeah, I feel like it's going to I could
be wrong. I feel like they're going to wait for
That's going to be the cliffhanger at the end of
the first season, is her doing an experiment with Lizard,
like not working on the energy, because that's the other
weird thing, Like she's working on energy instead of any
kind of medical thing, and it's really changing the backstory there.
But I think that's where, you know, or it's going

(26:42):
to end with her going to Norman and being like,
I want to switch my areas.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
At the point she'll trip and fall into a vat
of plot device.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Artemis Chow.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah, he's well and sureI is it? Sure he is there?

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yes, but yeah, Artemis Chow, is it becomes the Hulk
for a short while. Comics are they going to do that?

Speaker 3 (27:00):
You're is it the Hulk er? Is it a Hulk variant?

Speaker 4 (27:04):
He's like a Hawk variant, but it still is.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
They had killed off Bruce Bantner in the comics, but
of course he comes back.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
And he was the new Hawk. Yeah, he was new
interesting what was his name? He had another name. It
wasn't the Incredible Hawk was a totally awesome.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Totally awesome. Hope that goes with the persona Okay.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Which I have that ero click I have on my
name is show Haul badass nice unless.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I'm curious to see. I think it's only eight episodes,
so there's three more to go, so it'd be interesting
to see where this ends up. And I guess I'm
gonna have to start watching Invincible.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
I didn't even I recognize on day's show, but I
really didn't think about that much. So you said, Dave,
and you're right, Joe, it was like the Wu Tang
clan ain't nothing to funk with. Man, I hope that
comes to be a thing.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Oh that's the whole thing. I think you throw in
these characters because even if you don't pay it off
in the first season, you end up paying it off
in the second season. Because I actually thought I read
something the other day, uh like they've already had the
second season written and they're talking about the third season.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Alright, spinder Man, you should have ten seasons ready to go.
It's not that fucking hard. I'm just waiting for the
next X men. You know, it was an X Men
in the show up, it's gonna be Wolverine. That's what
I'm waiting on. Wolverine. We can see a Wolverine.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Let's get away from Wolverine for a little while and
go uh No, could be Pride and Colossus.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
They could do a lot of good stuff with d
Try to trigger me. Never mind you bring.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
That up, though, David, I really do have to sit
here because clearly the X Men are not going to
be here for the two years. They're gonna go fantastic
for the X Men. I'm okay with it, but the
X Men are dead. I'll wait.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Randy's asking where's his gambit move? And then Sun said,
the X Men are dead. Get over it. Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
The funny thing about the X Men is they can revive.
Ha how about that.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
I wonder if Cassan is a Kansas City Chiefe fan
and he's pissed off their wonderful performance last night.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
The shame.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
I'm sorry for you, because I really am. So Yeah,
we're gonna keep watching it.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
That's right. The team has my old quarterback that we
still had and never wanted to part with.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
He wanted to be on a team that could win.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Did he wanted to be a Browns. We just wanted
to hire a fucking creep.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Oh all right, Don, you said something about doing a
live read before.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yes, I did before.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
But I'm feeling like you're little too feeling it.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Okay, you're wrong, but I get it. You're the boss.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
You want to try, you can try.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Yeah, let's go for it. Hey, So, of course Superhero
Speak isn't just YouTube show or podcast. We also have
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(30:01):
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Did you say forty five? Yes? I did? Absolutely, all right,
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Speaker 3 (31:42):
Wow, the sting, Timmy, I'm from the Dream Come True
fantasy contest. You ready to wrestle?

Speaker 2 (31:48):
You bet? We guys really am.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 7 (31:58):
Okay now, don't count on straight to do anything but
quench your thirst.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
I play that in honor of JD, who is not
with us anymore. It's a shame. He's alive, he's.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Just are talking.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yes, yes, it is actually a good commercial. Cassian.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
It reminds me because I grew up with three step
brothers and we all watched wrestling back in the day.
So him jumping off the stairs, yep, that's all old hat.
It's a funny, good time.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
I am going to say one more time too, And
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(32:57):
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it to help out fellow podcasts. All right, gentlemen, we
have a few things to talk about. Of course, the
big thing that came out this week, which I'm shocked

(33:18):
they didn't wait till the super Bowl for this, because
it's normally when they do stuff like this, or it
used to be. Not anymore. We got our first official
teaser for Fantastic Four, First Steps, and I am very
curious to hear what you guys thought of trailer and
John you can go first.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
I think they're alluding to the fact that the Fantastic
Four is going to be migrating from one reality to another. Okay,
possibly and this is this isn't a surprise, possibly because
of something that happens with Galactus. The fact that they
had Galactus like the real not a smoke monster, was nice.

(33:57):
I was really liking the retro that the futuristic retro
yes aesthetic and Ben Grimm looked pretty darn good.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Hello, look things looking grim?

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Yeah, but wait a minute, that was Sue Storm. That
is James Gunn's wife, right, is it or is it
is James Gun movie.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, I think she's only in James Gun movies. I
don't think that was her Rob Zombie does no.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
No, Oh Vanessa Kirby Sorry, Yeah, a lot like vanessak.
The cast looks good. Don't know much about Joseph Quinn,
Pedro Pascal. I think is gonna kill it. He's a chameleon.
He'll make it work and we'll like it. But yeah,
it's oh our savage, it's for me, it's pretty lady blindness.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
But that's a running gag on COLT forty five, white
lady face blindness.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah, for for me, it's pretty lady blindness. But yeah,
it's I don't know. I'm liking it. I can't wait
to see it. Yeah, I hope this starts a new
good phase of the Marvel universe. Yeah, we need it.
And of course it's going to have the X Men
in it too, not just the Fantastic Four, but they
can use the Fantastic for to jump into it, and
then like they bring the X Men and the Fantastic

(35:12):
Four in from different realities. That could work.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Okay, don what did you say, Man? I really enjoyed
the aesthetic of it. This past aesthetic. In fact, I
hope that somehow like the X Men exist in this universe.
I'm not saying that they're going to be in this movie,
but man, what if there was like this, like Marvel
nineteen sixties silver age cinematic universe.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Oh that would wait, don that would be a way
to get Magneto in and not too old and still
have him be from the Holocaust.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Yes, but even in the comic books, Magneto's been de aged.
But yes, this is one way they could do that. Now,
them showing Galactis, I think I would have rather been
surprised by But I get it. We all know it was. Yeah,
but boy, I hope the Fantastic Four can weather the storm.
But I don't know. I still feel like I want
I would like to be prized by it. But what
I I'm not gonna hate on it for saying no,

(36:02):
don't get us wrong, collectus. Now with that said, I've
heard that like Galactus came because Franklin rich he needs
Franklin Richards to store his reality. I hope that's wrong,
because that seems way too much to fucking deal with
in our introduction. I like their family aspect of Oh
we have dinner every day here at six pm. No

(36:22):
matter what, I am encouraged by the fact that they
are focusing on the family aspect of the Fantanda. So
I'm super excited and I would like to see this
maybe be one corner of the universe in nineteen sixties
Silver Age, whatever you want to call it, where the
Fantastic Four and X Men maybe originally reside. And of
course Franklin Richards is depending on what comic error you've read,

(36:46):
I'm not gonna get into it, but for the most part,
he's a mutant. They may have changed recently, but he's
a mutant. He's a reality level warping mutant. To Galactus
is like his ride around Pony sort the thing. So again,
a lot to deal with in the first movie, but
I still may be I'm excited. I like it. I
think it's I think we're going to do a good

(37:07):
job here of progressing past the multiverse, the Phase four,
the Phase jive, the Phase sucks. I think, really this
looks like a good pushing off.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
That Theron said there was no shot to the female
Silver Surfer, that is true.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
I don't know. I don't think they want to deal
with that smoke yet, because they're going to deal with
smoke with it.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
I don't even know if here's the thing. I don't
even know how a role she has in the show,
in the and I feel like she's only going to
be a small part in the movie because the Fantastic
Four movie, the second one from the early two thousand,
was all Silver Surfer, and I feel like they don't
it's about Galactus. It's not about the Silver ser that's
just going to be the herald. It comes in warn Zoe,
and then Galactus is going to show up. I don't

(37:48):
think there's going to be a whole big thing with
the Silver Surfer in it, and I think that's one
of the reasons of're getting away with doing an alternate version.
Shoutout Sustorm floating around shirt that shows her pregnant unconfirmed.
I don't. Yeah, I don't know about that because he
keeps calling her. They say Sue Storm. They don't say
Sue Richards in the trailer, So they're not married yet.

(38:10):
And I don't think you start off with them married
and you start off with them as a couple, but
I could be wrong. So it's I like the aesthetic
because I feel like to be able to quickly make
you think of something wholesome. You said it in the
fifties or sixties, with that kind of past future thing
that makes you think of that wholesome future that you

(38:30):
were thinking, you know, they were thinking of in the
fifties and the sixties.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Like the Disney World White People, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Disney, the Disney Glasses Tomorrow, Yes, the World of Thank You,
the World Tomorrow Glasses, Randy says Shotgun.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Also Fallout four, the Fallout four.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. I think, yeah, they got
the tone right. I like the trailer definitely gives you
a feel like they're already celebrities. When the movie starts,
they're already the Fantastic Four, and we're gonna see flashbacks
of how they became. They're not going to do an
origin again. I think that's gonna be the new way

(39:06):
going forward with some of these characters were rebooting for
the third time, like with Spider Man, They're gonna do
the same thing here. However, there is a current theory
that made me go that the flight into space that
gives them their powers actually sent them to an alternate
universe and they're actually from the main the sacred Timeline

(39:28):
got thrown into this alternate universe and came just showed
up with the powers, and that's and then it became
heroes that way.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
And then and then something happened and I didn't say
that's true. I said that's the current fan theory.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
I think, yeah, I hope that's not true, because that's
just more like multiverse bull jive. And if that is
really the case, then.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
It's gonna be the incursions that's gonna have them wind
winding up in the main Marvel universe.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
I think that's like going to have the I feel
like that's how the movie's going to end. An incursion
is going to open up in our crack in the
sky and then Don's throw his soda at the screen.
I okay, look, and I know we've went over this,
They've done Read Richards with a beard and everything before.
I still can't get past Read Richards with a mustache.
I know Paedro Pascal is known for his mustache, but

(40:21):
I just can't get past it. It feels to me
like it feels to me like Caesar Romero refusing to
shave his mustache when he puts the Joker in the sixties.
To me, it's the same thing. Come on and let's see.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
The same level. Yeah, there's comic book read with a
full beard and mustache, so they probably did that because
of this. It's more recent thing. If you look at
the Marvel rivals now, I'm pretty I know they rocket.
They rock in a multiverse a man, this is kind
of read thing. I don't know. I guess what you're saying, but.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Doesn't read figure out multiverse travel. They do go to
the negative zone. He figures that out in Civil War,
So yeah, I guess he does. Isn't fantastic for going
up on Superman? How do you think this will impact
reception of Fantastic Corp. No, they all come out. They're
not coming out the same day, but they're all coming
out the same months. You have Superman, Fantastic Corps, and

(41:10):
the new Jurassic Park move all coming out in the
same month this year. Reboot City. How do we think
it'll have packed it?

Speaker 4 (41:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
I think it's gonna end up, and it will do
it on this show. We will. It's gonna end up
with a lot of comparisons between the two moves. It's
gonna be like, here's where Fantastic Four got it right,
Here's where Superman got it right, and vice versas. That'll
be interesting.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
That's quite a comparison, really.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
And they're both supposed to be the uplifting, wholesome characters
from both universes when you really think about it. So
it is interesting coming out at the same time.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
And both being such a so different from what came before.
Like all the Superman movies have basically started with the
same stories and all that, and now the Superman movie
we're jumping into a living world with all the heroes,
where all the Fantastic Four stuff before started with the
origin story and all that and pretty much trod the

(42:03):
same path. This one we're starting right in the thicket thing,
and you know, maybe with incursions and stuff like, we're
really diverting from what we're normally used to. And I
think these and it's good because again, we've been trotting
down the same paths for both these franchises for the
longest time. It's time to try something new because what

(42:25):
has gone before has not been working at all.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, real quick, Cassan said, Yeah, the Jurassic Park will
bring in billions, while Superman a Fantastic Four struggle.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
I think I have to say. I think people are
tired of Jurassic Park. I think the last one did
not do as well as the previous ones, and Chris
Pratt didn't even come back for this. Yeah, you got
Scar Joe taking over, but it's okay, so now you
have to get another person in the lead.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
I don't see it. I really don't.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I have no desire to see the new Jurassic Park.
I really don't.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
That's one.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
I'm definitely like I for streaming for that.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
So, yeah, they say it's more horror based now, and
we're going to see the dinosaurs acting like dinosaurs instead
of Blue Go here, your boy, get the stick boy
killing machine, Get the stick.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
No, you wish you had a pet dinosaur. We all
would like a pet.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
I'd be eaten in the first five minutes.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
But no.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
I think Superman Fantastic Four are going to do well
at least as long as these movies look are as
good as they are starting to look. I feel I think,
except oh, no, Crypto is best boy.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Come on, I feel like see I don't know. I
keep thinking about it too. I feel like at this point,
because it's really rebooting the DC universe Superman and bringing
the Fantastic Four back for a third time to the
biggest scream that yeah, there are people that are going
to be nervous to go, and it's going depend on
who goes on Friday or Thursday or Friday and tells

(43:53):
their friends like, Ooh, you gotta go see this, or oh,
I think it's going to be a word of mouth
like where by the end of the weekend, you're really no.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Also, by the promos, right, so far we've gotten teasers, yeah,
and the Superman one was more of a real teaser.
This Fantastic War one was the first lush actual promo.
So they show you a full trailer, so yeah, I
think the trailer looks good. And if the if they
release a little bit more, I hope they don't reveal everything.

(44:21):
Keep some cards to the vest for once. But if
the trailers, we're gonna get what maybe two more trailers
for both, maybe three for Superman. It might that could
also drum up a lot of excitement.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Bassan says, where are you guys on patri Pascal fat
still have room for desserts or you fed up?

Speaker 3 (44:40):
He's He's a chameleon. He can do many different He'll
I don't know where I'd have fatigue with him because
he's playing a different character in every single movies.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Look, patri Pascal is charming and handsome and shaved the
mustache off. He would he would be to lose.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Half of his charisma negative five to charisma immediately.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
I would put him up there with my man crush
on you, jackman. I'm telling you he.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Probably is a separate writer on his actor's insurance for
his mustache.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Randy says he's rewatching Manda right now. So Randy's not
bored of him. See, look, you.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
Know what, hot take, patro Pascal doesn't actually add anything
to the Mandalorian.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
He's not. Yeah, it's because he's not supposed to. He's
a blank pattern for wishing him at almost but he
really Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Look I'll give you that because like, they don't even
need a name in that suit. We saw his face
right once in the first season twice. Okay, yes, we've
seen his face twice, but he were wife.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
Was like, oh, he's not cute at all. I thought
he was gonna be cuter.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
That's horrible.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Oh no, why does your wife sound like a gay man,
because that's my horrible impression of a woman.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Oh, okay, that explains a lot. No, I get it.
But I've seen him in a lot of other things,
and I really like him. Did you see what's the
name of that? The Incredible Weight of Genius? Is that
the name of the movie? Or Greatness with with Nicholas
Cage and he plays the like the crime Lord. And
if you guys have not seen that, oh my god,

(46:11):
you've seen the meme with the two of them in
the car, right.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
I've seen a lot of Pedro Pascal means you like
the one he's seeing the sandwich and what he said. Yeah,
but I couldn't take where the fuck they're from.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah. See, Randy says, it's a really funny movie. It's
oh my god, you guys have that's your homework.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
Yeah, Randy watches stuff for the part of God happens
and will die because they smell their teacher's fart. So
the first person shooter that is Mando. Sure, I guess.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Money collapsing, Dona Chris, I think it's Star Wars ip.
He has a point because Son has a very good
point there, don Is it maybe too many beers.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
No, because I love that show. I'm just saying I'm
not watching it for Pedro Pascal. Star Wars, Yeah, Star Wars.
The tabletop role playing games, but the game I run by, Yeah,
I wish someone around me was doing that because I
would love to play. Playing is way funner than DM. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
I love anyway, but anyway, I think, and let me
send you some books. We're all excited, right, we're all
absolutely hey, Okay, No, there was one last thing I
wanted to address on the trailer before we move on
to the next thing. I I don't know why people
have been criticizing the thing, and I'm like, look at it,
and I'm like, that's Jack Kirby's drawing come to life,

(47:27):
Like what the hell are they complaining about? It looks perfect,
Like it's so much better than the last one. And
he's got pants on, thank god. The only, like, the
only complaint that made me go was it's just I
don't remember the actors's name, but it's just his voice.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
The thing.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
They didn't do anything to make him sound rough or anything,
and it's always the thing having a gruff voice because
he's made a stone. And I'm like you know what. Yeah,
because think about when Chickliss played the ben grim right,
like he did go do this when he was the thing,
but then when he was Ben Grimm, not as the thing,
he got talked in his normal voice. So I can

(48:02):
see it. Oh, the voice and the bear references. It's
the voice. Yeah, watching that show. Actually, I like the
meum the thing in the bear.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
To look that up. That sounds funny.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
But yeah, I don't know, but I thought he looked perfect.
Cassan said. I thought it's too perfect. Everything looked too
smooth and rounded. Uh, it's a comic book character come
to life. What do you want like that? The fan
four stick jagged thing just looked horrible in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Yeah, and he didn't have pants on completely nigd.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yes, which showed you the thing has no thing and
we can't have that. Ah, we upset John. All right,
let's move on the other trailer that we got. This
one was during the Super Bowl. We got a new
Thunderbolts trailer that revealed a little bit more about not
Century but Void. Don't tell me that's not Void flying

(48:58):
around throwing thunderbolts through windows and breaking off Bucky's arm.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
So yeah that I thought it was that a gravitm graviton.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
No, So Century's got a split personality and his evil
side is called Void. So I really think that's what
they're Yeah, there's I.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Saw in the trailer two people got hit and just
became like shadows on the ground. Like I thought, maybe
that was just them getting completely flattened with gravity. I like,
you'll know better than I am, because you're the marble guys.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, it could have been flattened by Century, so very possible.
Think of him, think of him like Homelander, but you know,
with absolutely no moral competent. Oh good grief, this is
a guy who ripped off his own face to make
a point. Yeah, oh my god, they got into the void.

(49:50):
Oh and the other big before we before we talk
about that too much too. The other big reveal was
they finally told us what the asterisk was all about.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
They did.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yeah, if you look at the poster that came out
at the same time as the trailer, it shows the
asterisk at the bottom and it says Avengers are not available.
So like they're saying, yeah, this we're sending in the
B team because and they talk about it in the trailer,
it's the Avengers aren't around and we need someone to
protect America and that's why they formed the Thunderbolts.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
I feel that as completely unnecessary. Man, it's just okay,
it's not that funny of a joke. So I'm not
I'm not kidding, still annoying the asterisks.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
The Sun says they paid eight million for a Thunderbolts commercial.
Haven't they dumped enough money into this? Are people excited
to watch?

Speaker 4 (50:34):
Well?

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Okay, hold on, casan, they played the trailer. It's eight
million for thirty seconds on the super Bowl. If the
trailer is two minutes, that's thirty two million dollars they dumped.
But go ahead, We're he gonna say.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
Don I just want to say that I actually think
that was money well spent. And my exhibit A would
be I'm sitting there, I'm watching the Super Bowl with
my wife. She saw that trailer and she was like, oh,
like it was funny, and so, yeah, I think they
knew what they were doing there. In fact, I don't

(51:11):
think that the Thunderbolts has actually gotten a whole lot
of Yeah. So I actually think it's pretty smart of
them to do what they did. But again, I will
say from a normal perspective, I guess I think it
probably puts some interest from people that were maybe already
anticipating it or knew that it was upcoming.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
I was implored by it. It almost didn't leave a
real impression on me. For some reason.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
I feel like they were going for an emotional gut
punch with characters that no one really cares too much
about or knows much about, right, I'm trying to think so.
Red Guardian was introduced in the Black Widow movie that
not a lot of people saw. Let's be honest, the
movie that should have come out five years before it
actually came out.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Yeah, agreed, But they're like selling him as the heart
and soul of the team.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Same thing with the Taskmaster, she was introduced in that
same movie.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Yeah, that actually annoys me. I don't want I don't
want that nobody wanted. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
And then we got Ghost, who was introduced in ant
Man two and we haven't seen or heard from since.
We get Bucky who people know who Bucky is, and
US Agent who was introduced in the TV show with
Bucky that maybe half of the Marvels fans saw.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Don't forget Florence Pugh.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Oh yeah again, also introduced the highlight.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
She should be, like, she's hilarious when she's written properly.
I like the way she was written.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
She's a great actress. She had some of the best
lines in that movie. I did like her also in
Falcon which was it, No, it was in Hawkeye. Yeah, yeah,
I liked her and that, like, she's a funny actress.
It's hard to be attractive and come off as charming
and funny, but as a woman, I think, and she
pulls it off really well. So it's just like, yeah,

(52:54):
she is the highlight to me of the movie. Yeah.
But all that being said, like there's a bunch of
characters that like, don't let it who care about and
they're trying to do the emotional cup punch. It works
on me because I like the character.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Of Red Guardian.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
I don't know why this like guy who isn't a
wasn't a failed. I love the what if episode with
it and Richard Soldier, like that was so good. But
in the MCU, this kind of failed symbol of Russia
of the Soviet Union and got the son on the
secret mission and but all he really went in life

(53:26):
was to have a family, and because he got put
in this program where he's pretending to be an American
with a family, Like he's holding onto that like it's
real because it's all he really want. So like I
like that. I don't know why I identify with him
in that way. But other than that, like, I don't know,
it's gonna be a tough watch. We're watching it for
the podcast.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Like I said, I don't I'm not getting much from it.
I just maybe the next because I guess it was
like it seemed to like everybody was depressed. And you're
used to seeing You're used to seeing oh God, what
name the right Alexi. You used to seeing Alexi just
being this happy kind of Santa guy, right like, just

(54:07):
always having fun no matter what he's doing, and just
enjoying the ride. And you're used to seeing Yolina just
spitting one liners and cutting people's souls bear with every hit,
and I'm not seeing any of that. It just seems
like everybody's depressed.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
I feel like a lot of the scenes in this
trailer were taken from what you would call the second act,
where it's usually where the heroes found.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
The third act breakup or whatever.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah, so it's the darkest point of the movie.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
So everyone's yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
But that's not going to get people to come in.
That's the thing.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
My son pointed something.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
My son made an observation and it's a possible spoiler,
and I was like, oh, maybe that he thinks test
Master is killed in the movie, probably by century because
a lot of the group shots after that point. She's
not there anymore. She's not in the limo. You don't
see her outside of the building when they're all talking

(55:06):
about we can't do this, We're not heroes like that.
That's probably the turning point in the movie.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Yeah, something to look forward to.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Ouch, you are terrible.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
They ship on the task mask or character. I'm sorry
they did.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Even I know I'm the DC guy, and even I
could smell that from a mile. It was horrible.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Red Hulk's gonna be in this movie, right, Who Red Hulk?

Speaker 2 (55:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
General Thunderbolt Ross the namesake of the fucking team.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
We have another movie to let's say, we'll talk about
that at the end of the show. We have another
movie to watch where we definitely know Red Hulk is
in there. Yeah, because that's the thing they're calling this
movie Thunderbolts. They show them in the clip in the
trailer calling themselves Thunderbolts. There has to be that name
has to come from somewhere, and I have a theory

(55:56):
on that. I'll talk about that. I think i'll talk
about that the end of the show when we're talking
about recommendations. But yeah, so you're right, I understand your pain. Okay,
I'll say it now. I understand your pain, Don But
here's my thought. Does George Harrison or President Underbolt Ross
die in Captain America fool? And they named them the

(56:18):
Thunderbolts in honor of the the deceased President.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Harrison Ford does have a habit these days of making
sure it's in his contract that he dies in any movies,
and so that.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
Would just be dumb. It's dumb if that's what's going on.
It's dumb. Reason for me to lament the fact that
Harrison Ford has taken the character of Red Hulk, because
if that's just a one off, then it's dumb.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
It's dumb. It's also dumb because everyone wants to see
if you're going to use Red Hulk, you've got to
use Hulk, and you have to have the two of
them fight, and if you're not going to do that,
you're wasting Red Hulk, because the whole point is he
finally decides to turn himself into a Hulk so he
can be on even round for the creature that he's
been chasing his whole life. Yea, and to throw that

(57:03):
story Aline away for Captain America for when there's plenty
of other Captain America villains they could have used. I
agree with you. All right, we're going to see it
for the podcast. We'll see how we feel afterwards. But
speaking of things that are stupid, let's talk about one
of my favorite people from comic book, Rob Leifel one

(57:24):
on a tire eighth that's saying he will never ever
ever work for Marvel again, that they snub Creators, they're
a terrible company, and he is done with them again.
So long story short, Basically in his tirade he mentioned
I mean, to me, it's stupid because he mentioned this

(57:46):
in the whole thing, and to me, it totally disqualifies
the whole argument. There was apparently an after party that
Disney and Marvel were having for the premiere of Deadpool Wolverine,
and they didn't invite him. He was invited to the
premiere of the movie, but not the after party, so
they snubbed him. So now they hate creators and he
will never work for them again.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
I'm like, look, we can get We're get, we can
get into a conversation about creator rights and all that
kind of stuff, But we got to keep in mind
this guy quit Marvel in the nineties with a bunch
of other artists, started our own company called Image because
Marvel wasn't treating creators, treating them fairly as creators back then.

(58:27):
So they created a company where the people were going
to own their their stuff outright and blah blah blah.
And then he ended up leaving that company because of
differences in how they were managing it and they weren't
treating him fairly. And then he went back to d
C and worked for them for a while, and then
he quit DC because he's like, this is his history.

(58:47):
He does this over and over again, so I can't
take him seriously. But what do you guys.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Did not invite him to the to the after party
because he's chest couldn't fit through the door.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
Oh, I would go referencing the famous Captain America illustration
by Roblifeldbert looked like that cenomorph alien was about to AnyWho, Okay, Roblifeld.
I have complicated thoughts about Roblifeld because I cannot deny
as much as in the early two thousands, in the aughts,

(59:19):
we like to make fun of life felt for his
lack of feet on the characters and the pouches.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
And maybe that's why, Maybe that's why they didn't invite him,
because he couldn't walk there. So anyway, because he doesn't
have feet, that's why he can't.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Try it, because you can answer all feet because he
doesn't have him for reference, So that's possibly true. All
that aside, he really was influential, at least for somebody
like me that really got going as far as their
comic book fandom in the early late eighties early nineties.
He really was a part of the greater lexicon the

(59:52):
boy wonder if you will, and he did create Deadpool,
although a lot of the fastest a Deadpool that made
him popular. I would say rob Leifeld did not come
up with rob Leifeld just copied death Stroke and I
ripped him off for mar But outside of that, I
would say he's still pretty influential. The problem I have
with Roblivefeld is one you remember this Dave, you made

(01:00:15):
like a comment on Facebook. I don't even remember what
it was about, but he came in and started lecturing you.
No where do you remember that. You start talking about, oh,
you shouldn't be on a pedestal and blah blah blah.
So that sounds like, oh that sus and now he
rehab him. He may have a point, he maybe should
have been invited to the after party, Okay, whatever, But

(01:00:38):
to come and then say I'm not gonna work with
him anymore, that's the same was saying, Oh, I asked
out this girl and she said no, So I'm not
gonna I don't. I'm not gonna ask around anymore. Yeah, duh,
because you're not doing anything. Nobody's asking for Rob LIFELD.
Hey I think he did some Deadpool thing two three
years ago, but outside of that, dude, nobody's asking for
Rob LIFELD. So it really does make you look poor

(01:01:01):
to be like, oh, they've rejected you already, so if
you like counter reject them is just silly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
No, that's actually an excellent point. And that's how it's
coming off to me as well. I also feel like
that's just setting up, because this can also be you
do this, you do a big public display, and then
in five years, when you need another paycheck, you make
your triumphant return to Deadpool and you do a four
issue arc and then everyone cheers it and runs out

(01:01:31):
and buys it and you make a ton of money.
Come on, that was he when he returned to Deadpool
the last time. That's what they did, Oh, Rob liifelt
triumphant return to Deadpool and to sit there and say,
because you also said something about not getting proper credit
in the film and whatnot, he's a credit hog. Like
that's all he does anymore is walked around and go,

(01:01:51):
I created Deadpool. I created a Deadpool.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
No you didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
You copied death Stroke. The people who actually created Deadpool
as we know him, came after you and create at
the fourth Wall break and the crazy personality that was
all after you, And doesn't Fabianee and I see it
also get some credit for creating Deadpool. You drew him,
that's about it. And what you drew was a copy
of a DC character.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Come on, man and Rob, if you'd like to come
on and refute any of this. We'd love to have
you on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Yes, we are Facebook friends. We're still he didn't like
he hasn't unfriended me, and we have had interactions before,
but there was the one time like he went after
me and it was just like, dude, you'r Rob Liifeld,
what the fuck? So yeah, but yeah, if you're watching this,
you're welcome one anytime to tell us we're wrong about

(01:02:44):
your feeling hurt about being rejected.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
The neuroticism, Yeah, this is clearly unhealthy. Seek help a guinea.
He's gone through a lot of ups and downs in
the comic industry. I get he was a young guy
and he was like the most famous, like comic book
dude ever in the nineties, So I get it. But boy, like, okay, Deadpool,
all right, I don't want to seem insensitive to creators rights. Boy,
she didn't go to an afropark.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Well, And that's that's also the question, too, right, because
he sits there and says over and over again, I
created a Deadpool, But there's more than one person that
created that character. And to sit there and be like
I did it, I did it, I did it. It's
really it's you have to like, you have to be
a little humble.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
I think, and to quote what my favorite character Game
of Thrones, ty would Lanster. If you have to tell
somebody you're the king, you're not the king. Yeah, justumb
look down a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Wait okay, Cassan says, wait, we have to be consistent
on this. The creators of Superman wouldn't know who our
Superman is. He's a different character. But the original idea
was theirs. If Lilifeld was the original creator of Deadpool,
no matter what has been modified, he should receive the
credit for Deadpool. But again, Fabian wrote a story and said,
there's this assassin character who kind of looks like death

(01:03:57):
Stroke and he drew a guy in a red suit
with black thing is like, who created them? We can't
pick and choose how credit is given based on how
we like or dislike the person claiming the credit. Also,
and wait real quick, also Shuster and Joe Schuster and
I can't think of the other guy's name created Superman,
like they created him in the thirties and we're retired

(01:04:18):
from comics because when they were doing it, they didn't credit.
And then it was we talked about this last week
or two weeks ago. Come on, famous artists he passed away,
not that long ago.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Famous artists that passed away. Not David dark Hair.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
He was the guy who fought for the rights for
them to get credit for a Superman in the early
two thousands.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Yeah, I'm I'm out of that one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
I'm oh, drawn a blank. So anyway, like they did,
Joe Schuster is the other guy that yes.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
No, I don't know, I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
So anyway, what I was trying to say is they
didn't walk around looking for I guess they did, but
they didn't. They weren't in their face all the time
in the media going we Sumerman.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
That's what Livefeld does.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
He's if you go to a comic con and you
meet him, he goes, I created that pool, Hey, Deadpool.
So it's just I don't know. There are times I'm
just like, I'm tired of this.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
I am a fan. I just I really soured on
him when he went after you on Facebook. I saw
that was totally out of left field. Let's greet you
from nowhere again. I don't even remember what you said
that completely made him obsessed. I just I didn't expect
that and then thrown I know absolutely. I agree like
Jim Lee, he did this ship with Chris Claremont, like

(01:05:41):
he can't get no better than that. Rob Lifeld never
got work with Chris claim Well maybe he did, but
at least not on a big way like real. I
don't think he did though. No.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Yeah, I'm here trying to find the guy who's the advocate.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
For yeah Caissan. No, the estate is trying to sue,
but not even in American court like and under the
English law, so that's a little bit different. Yeah, and
I feel that no one ever creatorship. He's really looking
for privileges here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Neil Adams Neil, Sorry, oh, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
Feel that was that recently, but I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
That was my next one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Sorry, he's the one. He's the one that was a
big advocate and fought to make sure they got credit anyway,
Sorry you were yelling at Cassan. It's one of our
favorite pastimes on this show. I don't know, it's yeah,
And look, I will yield that part of it is
his personality at this point, because I did meet him

(01:06:35):
in the early two thousands at a convention. He was
humble and he was nice, and this is before the
Deadpool movies, and he signed some books and he talked
to me for a while, and then the Deadpool movies,
the first Deadpool movie came out, and he just started
riding that wave again as much as he could. Just
rubbed me the wrong way.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
At that point, he definitely became very active on Twitter.
I do remember that, like when that the Deadpool movie
has got closer, like, I do remember him just ramping
up his social media presence and stuff. He's got a
great podcast. I really don't want to take anything away
from the guy yet, I don't. I think I do.
I want it at all. He went after you personally

(01:07:15):
on Facebook for really no reason, so we do have
that bias. I'm the type of person Dave you and
my brother John you my brother. I may fuck with
you guys, but nobody else bet So I just.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Yes, no one can make John blush like you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
So I think, I honestly do think that part of
this is a publicity stunt. And then in a few
years he will announce his triumphant return to the character.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
They'll come to him, they'll say, hey, write us a
three shot cable story, and he'll do it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Yeah, all right, think unless you guys, have anything else
to add. I think that is it for the news,
the last honorable mention, because we are going to be
talking about to me next week. It was confirmed in
one of the latest ads that yes, adamantium will be
introduced in the m c U starting this Friday, which

(01:08:07):
gets us that much closer x men.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
I like that a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
It's an alien metal, which you want to try to
make a realistic bent on it. That kind of works. Yeah,
it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Wasn't Captain America shield supposed to be up? Was it
like a meld of adamantium and vibranium or something.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
The original was always just vibranium, and then at one
point they read his shield got broken and they remade it. Yeah,
protom and then at one point it was a mixture
of adamanc vibranium and as guardian steel, the same material
that yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
The metal, yeah yes, yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
It, or the same material that puts his hammer. Why
can't I think near you don't pronounce the day there's
the same I do.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
I can't not. I call the Spartans from Halo their
their armors with Joel their we called me out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
I still have a lot of words I pronounced wrong,
but I always got that one right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
He was. Let's bring this on me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Let's bring this one in for a landing. Let's go
around the room and tell me, gentlemen, tell me, did
you learn anything this week on the podcast or do
you have any recommendations? And don you can?

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
I learned it if I criticize an aspect of a
Star Wars that some will think that reality itself is breaking.
That's a major responsibility I would recommend. Is I already
did it invincible? If you're somebody that saw the first
two seasons, it was like, order of season three is
worth it. Yep. Absolutely check that out the first three episodes.

(01:09:52):
You gotta love the series, the voice acting, let alone,
I love the animation with the voice acting. What's that
guy's name, j K. Simmons, Yeah, yeah, Seth Brogan. It's
just it's phenomenal. Check it out, all right, John.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
I'll back done up on that because I've only seen
the first season, but I know the storyline and all
that being walking comic circles. He can't avoid that one.
And yeah, I'll watch season two and three for the
next couple of weeks. For me again, I'll go with
I'll go with anime. There's one called Magic Maker, how
to create magic in another World. I think I might
have mentioned this one before, but it's just getting better

(01:10:28):
with every freaking episode, so I reiterate. It's just Guy
gets reincarnated as a kid in another world. There's goblins
and monsters and all that, but nobody's figured out magic yet.
Nobody even knows what it is. And he's going to
and he starts to slowly figure out how to create
magic and use it. And it's It's Japanese anime, specifically

(01:10:49):
as Guy. They cover a lot of different scenarios. This
is one of the most interesting scenarios I've seen for Asakai,
and it's really cool.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
I learned that I came onto the show this weekend.
Now I have homework. I have to get caught up
on a defensible so that we can talk about it
and make people happy out there.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
I also learned that Don is not that impressed with
the Patre Pascal as the Mandalorian and reality. Look, John's
dropping stuff. Reality is breaking around us people, What is
going on here? I also realized that my new the
camera on my new laptop might be more sensitive because
when I move certain ways. The light has been flickering
on my Yeah, see look it just got bright driving me.

(01:11:31):
I'm gonna have to figure that one out for next week.
But the best mentioned, the Wicher anime is coming out
for Netflix next Tuesday. Oh uh, it's a movie, all right,
we might have to check that one out. Recommend, actually ahead,
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where we want to make our money. There is a
playlist for the reviews, go check it out. Don just
put one up yesterday for Defenders of the Earth, and
he shouted me out in the review because we didn't
meet the creators of the comic when we were in
New York Comic Con last year, So.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
Check that out. It's a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
They're short, we keep them under a minute. Their their
quick takes on comics with a score definitely worth your time.
All right, boys and girls. On that note, as always,
thanks for watching, I don't let you keep caught in
the door You Next week.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Superheroes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Le Jazz

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
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