#598: The Ballad of James Burton

Join us as friend of the show James Burton join us to talk Ballad of Nod and geek out over some #nerdnews and so much more, enjoy!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hey, everybody, and welcome to Superhero Speak. I'm your host
Dave and I'm Don and we have a guest coming.
He's on his way. He's gonna fill in third chair.
It's running a little behind, apparently, but we will soldier
on while we wait for him. Obviously, if you saw
the title of the episode, you were waiting for James Burton,
creator of so many great comics. But we're gonna be

(00:39):
talking about the Ballad of Nod this week. I did
review it earlier last month. Go and check that out
over on our YouTube channel, on the drawn our YouTube channel,
but on the reviews playlist, and don you put up
one just yesterday? Was it? Yep? Ye for Ultimate Ultimate

(00:59):
Wolverine UM two.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, over one thousand views, even though it just came
out on Saturday, which for comic review you really would
hope for it earlier in the week before it releases.
But hey, had a busy week as far as work
and such, so just couldn't get it in till my
Saturday morning cartoon time. There we have it, so it
seems so thank you everyone that's seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
All right, And it looks like James is here. He's
adjusting his camera boom, there is.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
You made it.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
I made it.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
There's something about stream hair that really doesn't like my
branded camera and I had to disable hardware.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
That's all right. Second, so there you go. Here's our guest,
James Burton, as we promised about two minutes ago.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Indeed, way as long as a tick feeking to work.
You don't want to see the other one. It's all white, overexposed.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Real quick. Let's talk about what we're going to talk
about tonight. So on deck for tonight we've got, of course,
follow up for Kathleen Kennedy news that we talked about
on Wednesday, an update on Taiko Watiti's Star Wars film,
Simon Kinberg. Is he the future of Star Wars? First
look at the DCU lanterns, and of course James Burton

(02:21):
telling us all about the Ballad of Nod. So that
is what is on deck, ladies and gentlemen. Is that
something we all want to talk about? We're all excited.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Kennedy nuts.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Gets little This will be interesting buckle in. All right,
how's everyone's week? James? How have you been since you've
been on last You're busy, very busy.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I'm trying to see there's nothing like. There's nothing like
launching a freaking kickstarter in the middle of a week
where your sewer keeps backing up at your house.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Oh yeah, that's not good.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
And it's just oh gosh, it's been one thing after another.
But I've got a lot of supportive family, gotten everything
getting care of and it's been a bunch of work.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Okay, that's good. It's good to hear. Good to have
a good support group around you, even when they got
to deal with ship.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Always go for the las.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yes, yes, that's that's I learned from the best. Oing
to O'Brien who's currently hosting the Oscars, and if you're
watching this instead of the Oscars, welcome, because I watched
about ten minutes of it. I'm like, not for you, buddy, No,
I don't like watching a bunch of celebrities.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Didn't I'm sorry, I'm nineteen eightys massagist. But didn't he
a chick from Wicked to the opening act or something
like that?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
She's sang somewhere over the ring and Ario Grande, Yeah,
they both sang that. Oh both, how was it a
Wicked fan as you are? That was all right? And
then Conan came out and gave a monologue that was like, yeah,
that's just why he doesn't show anymore. Anyway. How are
you doing there, Omega level nerd don.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, this week started off okay, but some days bliss
is a little bit more difficult than other days. But hey,
I'm here to get to talk about nerdy shit, so
not too bad.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Message received, all right. I had an interesting week, Not
so much Number one. I did tell you before we
got on air that launching the slightly changed format and
going two days a week, maybe it was a little much.
It ended up then being a lot more work than
I thought it was gonna be. I'll get into the
swing of things. Also, because Friday was my daughter's birthday,

(04:40):
Yesterday was my girlfriend's birthday, and then I had to
go also to go to a funeral yesterday morning. So
it's just like I lost all this time because of
family obligations. Of course will happen from time to time.
But it was just like, maybe this wasn't the best
week to do it.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
No. I know it's hard right now, but thirty five
in subscribers can't be wrong. Take the bull by the horns, man,
we got to get it. I think we're having some
great growth, and I think each and every one to
be watching this and subscribers for doing that.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Thank you, yes, yes, thank you, thank you for helping
us get there. I want to get to one hundred
thousand before New York Comic Con. Let's see if we
can get.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
There, that'd be awesome.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
And then Dark Down can go grocery shopping.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
What would Dark Dawn buy at the fressery store?

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Don't ask, Yeah, we'll see. I'm just picturing it. Maybe
forced lightning can be in the budget by then.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Oh, there you go, there you go. Yeah, we've got
We've earned about five bucks this month, so let's see,
maybe that'll pay for slighting.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Hey, Goodbye's a comic that's true.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
That you can review. And if you've not been watching
our comic reviews on the playlist, the Comic review Playlist,
you've got to go check those out.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
I dig them.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
They're on this.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
You guys are saying what you say about what you love,
and I dig them. I'm also biased because my book's
and one very.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Good book that we be getting to shortly. But yeah,
I don't have an offensive joke or inappropriate jo the
week prepared. Yeah, I know the main purpose of that
was to upset John everybody. He's gone, But I'll find
a new segment to replace it. Maybe we'll bring back
social media madness. Who knows, I had an interesting comment

(06:23):
on my video about the death of the snider verse.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, if we bring back social media mad like I said,
and I message, you, make sure it's only to like
show tweets in comments and ship that we make fun of,
not every like this guy you're referencing this dude that
watched that video where I'm like, hey, yeah, Kathleen Kennedy
should retire, but because she's taken a lot of ship
and as a human and he they obviously listened to

(06:48):
three nano seconds the video, so their detention span could
not even expand a TikTok video not Kathleen Kennedy, but
it's yeah, I've just watched three more seconds. You would
understand that I'm not a a Kathleen Kennedy fan.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
So, James, I'm sure we're going to have colorful bits
of information about how we feel about that human. It's
like a part of the human condition, right, nine tens
of arguments, whether it's pop culture or anything else. Is
everybody waiting for their turn and so yeah, actually a

(07:25):
part of the discussion. And when you're part of the
discussion and listening to the other person, that's why it's
a discussion. And for anybody who had a dad period,
being yelled at for an hour and a half is
not exactly a discussion. And anybody who's ever been through that,
I can't even understand why they would do that to
anyone else other than the fact that I have it. Oh,

(07:46):
this is how you're supposed to be when you're an adult.
Not really, that's not a discussion. That's not a conversation.
It's not anything. It's just one person kneeling what their
scruples mean to them. But unfortunately, that's ninety percent of
communication on the planning at the.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Moment, unfortunately, and I blame social media. Speaking of social media,
here's Darth don to tell you how you can find
more superhero Speak. Dart down here.

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Don't skimp on the shipping or else. I will trap

(08:35):
you in a box with an agitated gun dog name
he lost, and I would just false lightning, but don't
have that in the effects. But now back to the show.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
I still love that line.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
When you guys played that clip the other week, I
was like doing dishes and listening, I didn't actually get
to see the fact that Don's rang like shutter mun style,
like clothing and stuff that he looks like. It's like
a street mage. That's so much cooler than I thought
it was.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Sounds here, he says, discuss this. Kathleen Kennedy sucks, yeah,
and hello fellas. He also says that background music is
too chill for Darth Down.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, but was menacing.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah. We gotta find stuff that we're not going to
get suitting. That's the or them.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
No, that's fine, thirty old metroid music off the copyright listener.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
No, it's not. That's that's why it's good. I like it.
I like it, but I like weird and quirky.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Things like cyberpunk star Wars.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
In fact, you know what, Don's got his Darth Down
and this is what I did. So just instead of
me selling everyone describe this is my quirky.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
One often done so yes, subscribe. It really keeps this
podcast alive the like, but if.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
You please, it gives us what we need.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Maybe leave a comment or two.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
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you waiting for? Visit ol Mergh store mound before you
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Speaker 3 (10:27):
What was the name of that stuff in the seventies
and early eighties where they would tell you about how
the Bill of Rights worked?

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Schoolhouse Rock.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
That reminds me so much of Schoolhouse Rock.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yes, exactly, that was the point. Thank you. I'm teaching
our viewers how to subscribe and comment and maybe buy
a T shirt. It's very important things that we're teaching,
it is. Yes, all right, let's get on to a
little bit news here. We're gonna start with of course,
Kathleen Kennedy will be step down as Lucasfilm President, but

(11:02):
not retiring. So we talked about this last week and
then she came out and did an interview with Variety
said that she won't be the CEO anymore, and of
course Dave Filoni is the most likely person to take
her place, but she will not stop producing films. She
just won't be the CEO anyway. So I am glad
that we finally got like clarification on it. But I

(11:25):
don't know what do you think, James about this?

Speaker 3 (11:30):
I think that I think that if you're gonna identify
the root cause of an influence that has altered and
changed away from where you want things to go corporately,
talk about that for a second. Unfortunately I have first
sent one about that crap. The corporation is basically like
a big ass of miba. It's going to evolve to

(11:51):
consume everything that that's path. That's that's what it's supposed
to do, and that is exactly what Disney did. She
and all the other people in her position are a
part of that. And if you identify one where they're
going in the wrong direction and hurting the corporation, having
them step down but still hang around it never worked.

(12:11):
You have to get rid of them. When HP did
that and they left around, that chick from eBay massively
hurt the company epically, it's still going to know all
their efforts and basically took a company that had ninety
eight percent market share and turned into a five percent
market share, and with a tiny asshole delivery company like
Dell Kickets asked for the next. It's kind the same thing.

(12:34):
And when you talk about culture is like an upside
down pyramid where the people who are running things provide
direction for everybody that they work with. They support it,
and how they support it affects everyone. That's why it's
an upside down pyramid, not a top down pair. And
you hear all these different things which none of us
will ever know hundred percent, about Cassy bullying her way

(12:56):
through things and trying to emphasize one agenda over another,
because it's all agendas. And I don't think any of
that's going to go away if she's still around. When
you get into the stuff that I actually care about,
because I really don't give a crap about any of
what I just said because I'm in that corporation, it's
really about Star Wars. I got super excited when they

(13:17):
started making the sequels. I was super excited and in
whine for eight hours when they made that pre Equal
and it was something that I absolutely loved. Now, dude,
I don't have very much motivation to go and watch
any new Star Wars stuff. I will say this, The
new one with the kids got me super excited. I

(13:37):
got to finish it, and I absolutely love the first
two episodes, and I know that she also was a
heavy influence on that. But then you have something like
The Acolyte, which is so far away from like the
can and that all of us traded off with for years,
which was its main problem, trying to redefine all these
weird little things about it and get away from what

(13:59):
everybody he had envisioned everybody loved. It's like one of
the hugest problems the prequels was giving us all this
information on Darth Vader. Darth Vader was super scary because
none of us had any information about Darth Vader. We
filled in with our minds. We filled it in with
the worst possible versions of it in our head. And
instead of leaning into that, instead of loving that, instead
of being a fan of that, everybody had to put

(14:19):
their ego stamp, which is another side effect of Hollywood. Unfortunately,
Kathleen Kennedy was at the Helm for a lot of this.
It doesn't mean somebody else couldn't have been there and
done screwed it up just as bad or worse as
there would have been. Like I'm not a fan of
the medical Orean crap, that's a lot of things he

(14:41):
still had an effect on. I like the work of
but how's he going to push everything when somebody with
this massimumn influence is sitting over there in the corner
with her minions. They're not cleaning house. This is except
the right direction. But enough steps. They're going to take
the time, little creative things that were good about all

(15:02):
the offshoots, and we'll see how it goes. Man, I
don't know, it doesn't I'm glad it's happening. But at
the same point, I don't have the faith that the
ship has. I just I don't. I've got very little
faith in what they do at all at the moment.
Like the parts that I did like about this stuff.
The Acolyte, for example, the first episode I really dug

(15:22):
and I absolutely loved all the stuff with Ostka. I
loved a lot of that, and a lot of people
really upset that it wasn't exactly centric on certain principles
which I may or may not have gotten. But at
the same point, turning Luke Skywalker into a limp old
Man was one of the dumbest things I think I've
ever seen him. That's what you take the hero of
an entire generation, and you just make it so that

(15:45):
he's this and then he gives up.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah. But I also think we that's and I think
that is why everyone loved season two of The Mandalorian
because they gave us Luke's coming back as the hero.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, and that that I loved. And unfortunately, you got
to do a certain amount of here where shipping you
do in sequels, and you got to do a certain
amount of giving the fan service. It has to be
a part of that. However, I would also say that
some of the creative things that she did in some
of the new stuff by allowing certain things to be
in there that weren't quite as Star Wars centric to

(16:18):
the main story of y'all love, I don't think that
she got enough credit for allowing some of that to
come out. I don't want to see corporates be on garbage,
but maybe somebody else did. But at the same point, man,
there's plenty of other cool stuff that they did. One
of the things that I missed that they didn't do
enough of, in my opinion, in the old cartoons, they

(16:38):
had characters that were for sensitive that didn't become Jedi,
and I liked a lot of those characters because they
were trouble causing, they were chaotic, they were in there
and they were It meant that not just the Jedis
had the force. That was what I thought I was
getting out of the Accolte when I watched the first episode,
and I wanted to see way more of some of that.

(16:59):
I love the idea that it's not just the Jedi
because it expands the world. And when you read the
books when you were a kid, when you watch those animations,
you got to see the link.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, Becassin has a good point though, just completely switch
to a completely different cast. Don't even touch on the
Skywalker legacy, just you know, just a crap one. So
don you've been quiet. I can see I can see
the seething under the collar coming. What what is your
response to that?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Well, no, listen, everybody knows my stance on and James,
just so you understand, first of all, my main belief
is just because I have difference from somebody, I acknowledge
that I have ninety eight more things that we have
in common. Okay, So let's I keep that at the
forefront of my mind and all things. And number two,
you're talking to a guy that basically spent the first

(17:52):
ten years of his life watching the first original Star
Wars trilogy back to back, back back. I am a
super Star Wars the nerd Cassan here in the comments,
as you've probably seen, he'll attest to my Disney Star
Wars shieldom I guess I'll say. With that said, I

(18:15):
respectfully disagree. I think that this whole thing. Again, Kathleen
Kennedy was picked by George, so that's that means a
lot to me. And as Dave showed in the receipts
on last week's show, she's helped make a lot of money. Now,
for those of you that may say, hey, that's money,
that's corporate speak, Yeah, you're not wrong. But I truly

(18:38):
enjoy the Star Wars universe as is I truly do,
and I understand where people are coming from when they're
upset with how Luke was portrayed in the Last Jedi
as someone that collects comics, Star Wars being among them.
And for those that want to see that bad ass.
And I've said this before, but for those who want

(18:58):
to see that like badass, Luke's go walker, grand Master
of the Jedi. He's in there, but he wasn't because
they are having commentary on the dogmatic view of the Jedi,
which seems to rub people the wrong way. I don't
know why. Again, I love Star Wars. I love the Jedi.
It's my favorite aspect of the Star Wars universe. But

(19:20):
at the same time, when you tell me the Jedi
religion has some flaws, I can accept that. I truly can't.
And that really seems to be the crux of that.
A lot of people hate about the Kathleen Kennedy Star
Wars and I don't want to demonize anyone that think
as on the internet, at least that is the majority is.
I'm saying all that to say this. You mentioned corporate speak,

(19:42):
so those of you the man I recognize that succession
planning is corporate speak. I've been in the succession planning meeting,
and I think a lot of people jumped on that
as oh, Kathleen Kennedy's retiring. I said this on the
last show. It was a ding dong the witch is dead,
and now we're now they are all very pointed to learn, No,
she's not going anywhere. It's just succession planning. It's just hey,

(20:06):
if I fucking die tomorrow, Who's going to take my place?
That's all.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
They don't. Very few people give her credit for any
of the other things that she keeps moving, and I've
heard some I've heard and read some interviews that talk
about more of the behind the scenes stuff that she
does with keeping the machine that is Disney and Star
Wars running in a lot of different ways that people
don't quite understand, and that you can't just tear somebody

(20:34):
out of that part and remove them out of it
because dropping all that stuff with a lot of different effects.
So you're right, So there's a huge place for a secession,
and excuse me, there's also a huge place for all
of that universe to have different elements to it, which
don you talk about that on occasion where there's where
if you change from the original dogma, people throw a fit.

(20:56):
If you don't change it enough, then people also throw
a fit. One of the problems with Star Wars, and
one of the successes of the Wars is that so
much of it is inside of our head from the
original movies not having sequels for as long as they did,
no matter what got made, it was going to not
meet certain people's expectations, and no matter which direction they went,

(21:19):
it was going to have that effect. That meter would
have been the same thing. It just would have been
a different group sending it whichever it's going to be.
And you're right, there are elements to it that just
don't get very much light shined on it. And it's
a shame because the Star Wars universe, when you look
at the books, you look at the comics, you look
at all the different things, you embrace the entire thing. Like,

(21:40):
for me, while you were reading the certain things in
that age is I'm guessing I was playing the role
playing games like that, these six style role playing games,
really old ones, and they left a lot of stuff
in there.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Up in great system.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Oh a fantastic system. It does not get enough props,
and it had all kinds of things in there about
creating for sensitive and creating all these different things that
applied to the universe and expand. And I love that
element of her new shows where those little things in
those pieces of the world were showing those colors. I

(22:13):
love the fact that there's a fucking pirate planet that
is just this massive ball of chaos that's run by criminals.
It's it. And when you were there I guarantee there's
going to be other elements of it that get into it.
There are there's got to be somebody who's for insensitive
on that day, whether it's because they can feel it,
think or whatever, it's going to be there when we're

(22:35):
watching this stuff with the Mandalorian most of the Mandalorian show,
I really dug. I didn't even bother me that what's
her name that they were trying to lead towards what's
her name? Leading all of the Mandalorians. Again, Mander doesn't
give a crap about that. Why that he would you
give a crap about running the entire thing?

Speaker 1 (22:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
There's a lot of different things where people got really
emotional other takes, which is a good thing because it
means they give a damn much rather they gave it
damn than we're apathetic. But you were passionate for that
for the entire subject matter is there because it's supposed
to be it is. I mean, come on, man, the
soul of the Nerd lived on in Star Wars forever.

(23:14):
We had no Hollywood representation for a long ass time,
to the point where I loved the race when it
came out.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Come on, Yeah, they were fucking dash Rendar and Shadows
of the Empire and ship is all we had.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, absolutely, the Star Wars is still something to be
loved and revered. It's just that people have trouble connecting
to anything. And the algorithm that all of us are
surrounded by, whether we want to or not, promotes mayive
feedback as people stay on longer to bitch than they
do to say how much they love something.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
You see that, Ladies and gentlemen. They thought I was
going to rage, and here we are for full circle,
hands together in agreement.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
I just why you play with pussy on camera anyway?

Speaker 2 (24:01):
You know that fuck? I don't even have a name
that cat yet, it's just the cat.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
They there's only one cat. You don't need a name.
Three cats.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
That's where it is. Two dogs, one cat.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
I will say this. We did talk about this on
Wednesday show where she made a lot of money for Disney,
like the Star Wars movies, love them or hate them
other than Solo, they all made over a billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
She's been involved in stuff that all of us love
a lot longer than that. She Jones.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
So this whole thing where it exploded online where she
was firing. They're not going to get rid of somebody
who's making them money. That's the whole thing. Just because
there's hardcore fans who aren't like James is saying, we
had these fantasies in our heads for decades about where
the story should go, and the sequels didn't live up
to what was in our heads. So we're not happy

(24:57):
with I.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Admit, by the way I want to make it. No,
as someone who liked all the legacy sit Jason Jane
a solo use on Vong, believe me, believe me, I
would have gone in a different direction. I'm just more
accepting of what is because of my love. This is
just the universe I used to escape to, and that's
all I'm gonna say. Though I don't know, but I

(25:19):
do get the hole. This is not the trajectory that
we wanted. I get that. You know.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
The Wraith is one of Clint Howard's best roles.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
He was the guy who built all the engines for
the bad guys, anyone the only bad guys survived them.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
All Right, let's the other thing. She talked about two
other things in this interview as well that I wanted
to bring up. First, off Tsicho Watiti. We heard I
don't know how many years ago that he was going
to be making the Star Wars Yeah, and basically she's, yeah,
we're really far off from releasing it because he has
never given her a script like they have said, but

(25:55):
this movie, write and give it to us and it's
and she just defended him by saying, oh, really busy.
But I was just like, I don't know, maybe he's
not interested with everything that's going on with Star Wars,
which leads me to the question, like, after Love and Thunder,
do we want him to make a Star Wars movie.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Here's a hot take about Lovink. I actually liked Leven Thunder.
If you take the goats out, I don't.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Want Oh, I love the goats, but okay.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
The goats made me laugh, but they didn't, and I
there are plenty of Love and Thunder I actually really liked.
But I'm also an adult who has kids. Okay, a
lot of the people that whined about thorn giving has
powered all the kids and crap. I don't think quite
they've ever sat down in surprised by the amount of
fierceness and the amount of strength it's in a kid

(26:45):
that's it isn't even possible to be there or see
what happens inside of a cancer ward or Yeah, it's
a little bit more complicated for anybody who's seen the
mortality of losing a kid or losing a parent like
that that. I loved all those elements that he put
in there. When they made the story in the Marvel
comics about female Thor, I threw a fit because I

(27:05):
was acting like a stupid little newbie, just like we
talked about the beginning of this. I heard that phrase,
I went blah blah blah blah blah, stupid. But I
didn't take the time to find out it was Jane
dying of cancer. I didn't take the time to find
out that it had anything to do with backstory and
that it was the words of Thor protecting his love
and all the rest of those I didn't figure that out.

(27:27):
I just want blah blah blah, why are they doing that?
And then when I finally got to see a comic
where Jane was Thor and I got to see in
the movie where Jane had become what she became as
a result of I loved it. I don't have a
problem with love and Thunder their way a lot of people,
and I would have put in the original scenes with
Zeus where just becomes like a surrogate father instead of

(27:50):
stripping thor naked on a pillar and acting like a child.
But I liked it a lot. I don't have a
problem with it now. That being said, if you have
a studios, is Disney waiting on the script for you
and you don't prioritize it, there's a reason. It might
be a good reason, but there's.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
A reason real quick. Cassan has a good point. He said,
the first major flaw of Love and Thunder was Christian
Bale's character. The villain needed to breathe. It was a
great character, something that should have been that as level impact,
which I don't disagree, but I think the problem, this
is the problem with me for Love and Thunder is
Christian Bale was in a different movie than everyone else.

(28:28):
He was in a serious movie where he was this
powerful villain. Everyone else has been a comedy. Even though
Jane is dying of cancer. They threw so much comedy
and that's what my issue with them was like. And
it's funny because my son after we saw it, and
he was twenty one at the twenty At the time,
he said that, yeah, but you're dealing with such serious

(28:50):
subject matter you have to have the humor in it
to balance it out. And I'm like, I don't disagree
with it, but I just felt it was too much.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Now I agree with you. The villain was great. The
end scene where it was just them and it was
an eternity where it was just them having that final
moment and then and him basically losing himself to let
his daughter live and the rest of that. Like I said,
if you're a parent, all that is really touching. However,

(29:16):
the goofy scenes about the lightning bolt of all the
other silly stuff did take away for a little.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Oh wait, I have to put this comment up because
this is historic, Dave. I agree. The script was all
over the place. The movie didn't know what it wanted
to do. Casan agrees with me. That's it. Show's over
all right.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
I'm coming to bed early, honey.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
What about you? Don Do you want to see Taycho
do a Tchoo?

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Is like?

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Cool? Do you want you? You are the biggest Star
Wars fan here. Do a Star Wars move? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:54):
I do, absolutely, I do. I think he's wonderful. Did
he fuck up Thor gun in Thunder? Halfway? I definitely
agree Gore the god butcher was not used properly. We
were talking about using what was the fuck is that
sword called again? That cron sword? No fuck, that's DC anyway,
that's no sword by the way, for neither. They don't

(30:15):
know that he's using to kill gods. But all that's
fucking awesome. But absolutely I agree he's in two different
movies between Thor and Jane Foster. But anyway, I drink
Danny Portman's bath water, So I no, I think could
do a wonderful Star Wars, just don't be serious with it. Yeah,
go fringe, bounty hunters, scum and villainy. I think that

(30:38):
would be great and I absolutely appreciate, by the way,
the only person on Earth I could probably say this,
the fact that, yeah, they want a script from him,
but he just hasn't produced it yet. I don't know.
That seems quality to me. That seems quality.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
There's a reason. Yeah, he's seeking that out. He's trying
to get something done that's good enough. He's trying to
take it seriously. Maybe there were issues about I don't know,
group like consensus parts that troubled him when he was
trying to make that thorough movie, and he's trying to
get it under rafts. Who knows what the heck the

(31:15):
reason is, Man, this isn't enough information to judge one
of the other.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Jude Law is an actor. This is Thron says jud
Law is an actor that Taiko could use it, especially
when incorporating comedy. Yeah, I mean you did not finish
watching Skeleton Crew yet, James, But yeah, you're gonna love
the last episode.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
I'm telling you, dude, I just haven't made them. My
kids aren't watching it with me, so they're boycotted Star Wars.
But yeah, for some reason, I love the holy hell
out of the first two episodes of Skeleton Crew and
I want to finish it with them. It's just they're
taking them.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, I mean, you could definitely do a whole movie
around the Pirates too, that would be cool. And then
the other thing that she said in this interview is
that she said that Simon Kilberg is going to he
is going to be doing a trilly that continues the
Star Wars story after the Skywalker saga. So they keep
saying it's gonna be another sequel trilogy focusing on Ray,

(32:14):
but she's we're done with the Skywalker saga, so I'm
not really sure what that means yet. And for people
who don't know who Simon Kinberg is, he is the
guy who created Star Wars Rebels, so that's a beloved series.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
I'm just curious.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah, is that the tone we want for the next trilogy?
That was my quest. So, so don you can go
first this time.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Because okay, Gassan, get ready, buddy, here we go, because
I'm going to disagree. I really don't want as much
as I like the Ray character and defend that character,
I don't want to continue her story. I want to
go back to the old public and I want Keanu

(32:57):
Reeves as Darth Revenue. Your sons of bitches, It's right.
A billion dollars is right fucking there. So that's my thoughts.
I don't care about this dude. He made X Men Apocalypse,
which is the scummy nut cheese in my taint.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Kim, Oh my god, how many of you had tonight there.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
DoD I'm on number three ah and the next time
you take a break, we'll be on number four.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Puffs. Anyway, dude, somebody can make something good like Grebbles,
and somebody can make something.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Gribbles was badass, by the way. I do have to
give them that credit, but I give most of that
credit to day Phil.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, that's the other thing. It's also trying to remember
none of these projects are made by a single person,
no matter what the press makes it out to me.
It just doesn't work that way unless you're one of
those indie guys doing things like making the Mariachi on
one hundred thousand dollars budget. It just worked that way.
I would go on entirely. In particularly case X Men
Apocalypse was the nutcheese from Somebody's Taint.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Mine specifically, so we're on the first fifteen minutes in
that movie is fucking awesome. But anyway, I just want to.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Yeah, but you can't make a movie off of a
fifteen minute scene that's beautiful. There's all kinds of examples
when you write. When you're writing, whether it's for Hollywood
or whatever it is writing, if you're writing for events,
yeah there's gonna be a couple of events that are
effing beautiful. It's like that when you're making But that
doesn't mean the entire project is fantastic. If you can't

(34:39):
use your character writing to carry the rest of the storyline,
if you abandon it and make characters do crap that
doesn't make sense, or I don't know, allude to somebody
becoming a Jedi for two whole movies and then say,
never mind, he's just a dumb Stormtrooper. That's all they
overbe things like that, Then you're really, in all honesty,

(34:59):
you're probably right and like you're in high school.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah, oh wait, okay, So before we move on to
the next article, Cassan does have a good question. How
do we feel about an r rate at Star Wars
something that explores horror element of Star Wars?

Speaker 2 (35:13):
I love it. I love it because we have well
look at the Star Wars vision. Is that the thing? Yeah,
check that out. That's got a little bit of horror
to it, a little bit. Yeah, but we got racals,
we got dark side raids, we got all sorts of
shit in the Star Wars universe to absolutely worked for horror.

(35:34):
Once that that Knobby White spider, right, we saw that
shit manalreals fucking spiders, there was Yeah, absolutely, I'm here
for that. Let's do it, dude.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I would love to see something old school, where like
where these Siths are discovering certain things, like the old
Jedi comics from Dark Horse. I collected the first season
of them, and there was this brilliant story about the
guy who like reopened the temple and he was a
jeed I who accidentally exposed himself to all these Sith

(36:03):
entities that were inside of this tomb. That would be
an R rated nightmare from heck, if I can think
about it, there's tons of potential where you could do it.
Are is not it is not anything other than a
tool to get into certain scarier things. The problems is
that there are people that will take in our concept
and end up going too far one way or the

(36:24):
other and lose it and become something I wouldn't want
to see, like a shock horror, like a gore horror
from Star Wars, but I would love to see. I
would love to see something that got spiritual, that got dark,
that got that had its moments like the First Alien.
That'd be a great example. Something like that.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Gore horror would be very difficult in Star Wars, particularly
if you're dealing with lightsabers that causeize wounds as they
cut them, so you're not going to get too many
innered splatters in the Star Wars universe.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
All right, I guess I'll be the killed Joey. I
don't like the idea, just because at the end of
the day, and no one I know people don't like
when I say this Star Wars is for first and
foremost for kids, their morality stories wrapped in a sci
fi epic. And if you make an R movie, you're
getting rid of the core audience for the movie. So
I don't think it's a good idea. But I could

(37:17):
be wrong. Hey do a Disney Plus show that's a
little more on the horror side. Yeah that, But.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
From not wrong, You're not wrong, the world's foremost Star
Wars fan. I'm declaring myself that, by the way, you're
not wrong.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
You gotta change your nameplate.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yes, the instead of the mega level Star Wars.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Oh you really leave the change the name plate?

Speaker 1 (37:45):
O god? All right, Moving on the other article that
we got an article. All this was a picture on Instagram,
but everyone want nuts. It's our first look at Kyle
Chandler and Aaron Pierre in DC's Lanterns. Of course, Kyler

(38:07):
Chandler is playing Hell Jordan Aaron Pierre is playing John
Stewart and this is the picture that we got. You
can see Kyle Chandler is wearing the ring on his hand.
They're walking down the street somewhere and that's all we got.
So with this picture, has this gotten you excited for
the show? Yes?

Speaker 2 (38:26):
No?

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Do you care at all?

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Not even a little? I've seen how I haven't?

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Ye Oh, that's good.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Down the street like.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
It was an interesting choice.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
I think it's one of those things where the studio
is just a we're going to give you a bunch
of lanterns.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
That that did not work the first time, and it's
I don't know, man, lanterns is hard to get excited about,
not because the concept is difficult or because it can't
be visually cool. But I don't know, man, this is
shure hold on doing like they just look like you
beat up guys walking down the road. That's I'm missing something.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I'm getting The ring can't construct any clothes. You would
find it in emon markets, good one, it would, Yeah,
Cassan says, DC Lanterns will be epic, mark my words.
Pierre was in Netflix series that was great. He's a
great actor. I'm the one saying anything about the actors.

(39:31):
We're just I think it's gonna be difficult because again,
I feel like what they're doing is what you call it.
They're gonna do a thing where hal Jordan's already a
green lantern, and they're probably bringing Jon Stewart in, like
he's probably the new guy. He's the ind for the
audience to what the lanterns are and what's going on.
But I always thought it was weird when they have
more than one lantern from Earth in the comics at

(39:53):
a time, right, Like the whole idea is, well, something
happens to the Green Lantern, he can't do it, so
he gives the ring to someone else. There's one ring
for the factor. Yeah, and all of a sudden, Okay,
now we're gonna show with two of them, but no,
we're gonna have the whole core.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
That's the trouble with the course. How could you be unique?
And part of the superhero fantasy is to be some cool, unique,
awesome version of yourself. How can you do that if
there's thousands of others just like you, with different appearances
and languid It can be embraced in a certain way,
but not on Earth. If you're going to do lanterns
as in plural, you really need to get into the

(40:28):
culture of the lands to get into them facing the
manhunters or get into Have they ever even explained to
Io to anybody outside of the cartoons. I don't know.
It's not my favorite DC property to really do. If
I was given this thing and was having to draw it,
I would focus on space if I was writing the

(40:50):
stories out there. How often would a lantern land on
Earth when he's taken an entire quadrant of a galaxy
is his protection? It's I don't know, man, It just
it needs to be a space epic more than it
needs to be some dude walking on Earth. And I'm
not a big fan of the whole like ke Man
on Earth crap that shows up when they don't have

(41:10):
the funding set right.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
I don't know, don you're being very quiet, and you're
not a DC guy. I get it, But.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, no, like it is lame, like you're talking about
lantern The fuck am I looking at two dudes in
regular clothes when New Mexico fucking portion of the desert.
What the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Man?

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah, I don't know. I find it hard to care
about green lanterns unless it's like brightest day, blackest night. Shit,
you know what I'm talking about. Give me that ship.
That's what I want from lanterns. I don't want to
fucking buddy cop fucking thing going on exactly.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
And it's funny because Sun says, I believe, come on
a police procedural like True Crime Season one? Sign me
up like you, But I know it's a superhero show.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
What's gonna make you can fucking use your willpower and
create an f thirty five fucking fighter Jit. I don't know, man,
They're just they're going too low brow for this.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah, I wouldn't use Where's the Street heroes? If if
they if they want to do a police procedural, Oh god,
what's his name? Where's the question?

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:16):
I want to see give me the question? Hanging out
with Black Canary. They have characters for that.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Did you guys ever watch that show where they try
to police Dril where they try to do it with
back Girl and the Birds of Prey.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, that was it. Birds of Prey.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah, I enjoyed that one. It got a little hokey
in different months, but I enjoyed that one. But they
have tons of characters to do procedurals like why would
you take the two guys that are basically Frank Miller
literally turns me life into a god point in the
dark night where this destroys everything around the earth seconds.

(42:54):
I don't know, it's like having a god walking around
doing a place.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, and that's exactly what this picture screens is buddy
cop show. And I don't know, I can't. Obviously, we're
gonna watch it. We'll at least watch the first episode
and talk about here, But I'm not excited about it.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
I think this is another symptom though, of whoever is
be's ignoring the stories that made these characters great in
the comics in the first place. Yeah, if it's gonna
be Green Lanterns and you want to do something like this,
there's an entire comic series where Green Arrow and Green
Lantern were doing buddy cop stuff for fifteen years a lot.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
That's Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
They had all kinds of stuff like that, things that work,
things where they can test it and see it and
know what went good, what was a challenge. There's all
kinds of different things that they can do, and instead
there's just a little bit I got to put my branding.
So there's all the stuff like this and that version
of Green Lantern not the helbsort. And I can't remember

(43:51):
the other dude's name. I can, I always lose it.
But he's yeah, he's Jon Stewart's the most straight laced yeah, no,
like no funny business character. And I don't know, like
how Jordan is just not and I guess somebody thought
that screen.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yeah, but John Stewart's more exactly.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Yeah, he's gonna say I'm too hoped for this, and
I'm gonna laugh my ass whatever happened.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
And we're getting obviously what's his face in in in Superman,
which is weird? Guy Gardner? Thank you. We're getting Guy
Gardner Superman, which is a weird, Like why isn't one
of these two to tie it into the show. And
then where's Kyle Rayner?

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Okay, let's say they can at least do Kyle Rayner? Yeah,
what can I actually appreciate that character Kyle Rayner because
he's an artist, so for him to have a green
Lantern ring, it actually works a lot better than the
other to me.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
I like Kyle as seems like when they created Kyle,
I dug him. He was all he always does way
more creative stuff with his ring. It's not just like
a hot wheel track.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Cassana has a quick question, Dave watch Invincible Darth Don
has to take away his stream lab access until he does. No,
I haven't watched it yet. I was busy. Watched the
beginning of the show. Had a f on two birthdays
this week. Okay, but Dave, think of this. Think of
your girlfriend wanted to give you a blow job? Would
you let a funeral like in the way of that?

(45:20):
No more alcohol for you, sir, your cut off.

Speaker 6 (45:27):
I thought that one, and I knew what was wrong,
but I still God speaks the truth.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Oh my god, but do call alcohol truth serum?

Speaker 1 (45:43):
God? All right?

Speaker 3 (45:45):
On that note, I think you were looking for the
inappropriate joke of the day.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Dude. Yeah, I know, Don delivered. Let's take a really
quick commercial break and talk and then come back talk
some ballot of nod. I will do this one stinger, Timmy,
I'm from the Dream Come True Fantasy contest.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
You ready to wrestle?

Speaker 1 (46:05):
You bet? Yeah, it's really am hold on, hold on, okay, now,
I'm that's so real.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Don't count on straight to do anything but quench your thirst.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
You han't got another drinking jerk, all right, hilarious, you
never saw that. That's from the nineties. All right, James,
you have been busy and you've been on your list.
A comic that is out on Kickstarter. I read the

(46:53):
first issue and did a review of it on the
channel You You made me cry. It is a beautiful story,
and of course it is live one Kickstarter. So link
is in the description below. But let don tell you
about it. Let James tell you about it, and then
you can go check out the Kickstarter. So where, like,

(47:14):
I'm curious, where did the story come from? Originally?

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Originally, originally what had happened is I was trying to
communicate with my daughter when she was like a little
younger than three. I think she was like two, while
I was going through fighting stage for cancer and all this.
My daughter was born like before I went to the hospital,
and the following two years was the most insanity that

(47:39):
a person can imagine happening to their family. We lost
our we lost my mother, we lost one grandfather, then
I lost another grandfather, then I lost my father, and
we lost our house and our nesting all in the
space of two years. And a job that had been
like my career at all. Everything. There wasn't much which

(48:00):
I could have lost that would have made this worse
outside of using my wife, and that's pretty much what
I had, and that is and it was really difficult
to communicate why I was sad or why I was
trying to deal with these emotions to a toddler.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
It was hard.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
I don't know if other people's parents teach them that stuff,
with my Chesul didn't, and I was trying to explain
grief to her and instead I had I was really
worried about how I was communicting with because I did
not want her to deal with her feelings the way
that we were taught to just she like crazy behavior
or honestly, both my parents are drug addicts and one

(48:36):
of them was a met cook, So I didn't want
that to be the direction that she went into. And
I know she's two in that, but this is a
big deal for me. And one day I was watching
it Jim Henson talk about storytelling and it just clicked
that I could tell her any version of what's going
on that I wanted to. So it turned into me
telling her all these bedtime stories where they would be

(48:58):
about the place I grew up in. I grew up
with this ten year old town corner sanwamp in the Sierras.
That's Taho National Forest, and it's beautiful. I ain't nobody
up there that doesn't want to be lost, but the
place itself is gorgeous. So I started telling her about
my brother and I wandering those woods. I started telling
her about my younger sister joining us, and us running

(49:20):
away from monsters that turned out to be cows, all
these different with those stories, and then it turned into
me making a story about her because we came home
one day and she had a teddy bear that was
at her aunt's house. Like, where did you get this
teddy bear? I bought this thing like six years ago
and put it on a shelf, And turns out she

(49:41):
found this bear and he's got all these patches and
all these scars and all this stuff on him. Because
it was something I bought at a hospital for my
wife to feel better after a surgery. Everybody's seen those bears,
they'll beat up whatever, So I got one for her.
Six years later, she found it, decided it was her
best friend, and his name is Patches, and it turned
into me telling her a story about patches. This need

(50:03):
to communicate with her about my grief and to tell
her bedtime stories that were about my life transformed into
these stories about a little girl named Fay having to
fight her nightmares in the dream world to save her
teddy bear best friend Pack.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Damn, you got me again.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
It's it's you. It helps me write it, which I
want to make sure is really clear. She's my sister.
When I was going before I was going through cancer,
I wasn't close to my sibling. When in our house,
you got to eighteen and you got the hell out,
And that wasn't because we were trying to abandon each other.
It was literally just because, dude, it was chaos, like

(50:44):
where we lived was a corror show, and it was
get out and try to make your own mind. And
during my sickness I got closer to her, and when
she found out I was selling all these stories to Camille,
she wanted me to turn them into something else. And
then I sorted the bear and then cappined organically.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
I do.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
I write my own versions of the scripts. Here tells
me where I screwed up, and we go back, and
I keep going back and forth. She has started to
put little instances in it about the nightmares and things
that fy Is gonna run into. The story itself does
have a lot of fun in it, but there are
sad elements. I'm a huge fan of those movies that

(51:24):
we watched when we grew up, like The Never Ending Story.
I love that thing. But holy crap, you can't really
get Saturday than watching our text. Yeah, you can't get
more into that moment where the trio has to face
goodmorg stories and tailed for kids before Disney, right, and
even in some we're about showing the kids how to

(51:47):
make the harder decisions when the decisions came, And yeah,
some of them were beat down in like Cinderella and
some of the others. But you have things like The
Horn King, where you have a pig farmer little boy
thinking he wants to be a warrior. You have stories
like Never Ending Story, you have stories like The Secret
In The stories like that I grew up loving and

(52:07):
they've been gone honestly until I saw Skeleton Crew and
Stranger Things. But those are two modern examples. But you're
talking like there's twenty four, twenty thirty years since the
last one of those got made, and it's more important
to me to be telling stories like that that are
both fun and scary and give the kids something to

(52:28):
aspire to that read it. If you don't have something
like that, and then I don't understand necessarily.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
The twenty You're bringing up a great point about that,
and that's something that JD pointed out a few times,
is that those stories didn't exist anymore. So I need
I actually have talked to him, like he came in
on last Sunday, but I really haven't talked to him
since then. I never asked him like what he thought
of Skeleton Crew, because yeah, that is a story that

(52:54):
appeals to those kinds of stories we got when we
were a kid, where the kids are the heroes, and
they don't do that as much anymore. So.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
One of my daughters and my favorite movies are The
Goodies and they freaking love it. Why because it was
the kids who ended up becoming more than the adults
in it, and they love Kids should be brought up
thinking that they can become something. It's not that they're
going to be forced into something. And it's my strong
opinion that needs to be reinforced with everything. So the

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story is my attempt to communicate that to my daughter.
I wasn't sure if I was going to see her
fifth birthday, so I wanted the message to get across
to her as hardcore as I could. So I made
sure that my stories were about choice, that my stories
were about the power of what she wants as long
as she's willing to fight through it. I wanted those

(53:46):
things to be carried because the world just doesn't teach
us that in a way that I agree with. That
that plea you up by your bootstraps thing isn't exactly
the right message it needs to be. There are things
out there that you may have to face. You're gonna
have to make choices, both good and bad. And the
more noble you behave, the more power there's going to

(54:08):
be in your choices. And I wanted her to get that.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah, and she read the book. What does she think?

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Camille has read the book? Camille has spent a lot
of time. She loves watching me craft it, Like whenever
I'm drawing or whenever i'm doing it, she'll sit down
and watch me doing it. When she was four years old,
she was obsessed with zombies because I was doing a
short film as an example, she actually does help me
about She really gets mad when I'm coloring because a

(54:39):
lot of colors that I think are one color there
aren't there another. And she gets really ticked off if
patch is not a shade of blue and if her
hair is not round in fague. The characters are based
on her and patches. She sits down when I'm coloring
and like tries to correct it before it gets off.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
That's perfect. What's it's on Kickstarter now? I haven't looked
at it today. How are you doing?

Speaker 3 (55:04):
We're at fifty five percent. I've had a couple of
these and entice backers today, which is really great. We
got up to I think thirty percent the first night,
which was fantastic. We're looking to bring it in somewhere
around twenty four hundred dollars so that we can get
enough books published to go to the cons and some
of my line things like that. I'm really trying to

(55:27):
get in about three grand because if I can get
it there, then the things I can do an off
offset print and bring it in through a different printer
and get a lot more books. So I've got like
I'm going to add four pages if it gets to
that level, and one of the rewards is actually, if
a backer wants to be the kid that's in the
extra four pages, that I'm going to include them in that.

(55:48):
So I haven't drawn those four yet, only four minutes.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
That's actually cool. Wow. So how many issues is this
going to be? This is the obviously the quickstarter is
for issue one. How many is are going to be? Total?
Do you have planned out? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (56:01):
This is gonna be the first of six. I've got
the sixth. The arc has lined out, the script is
written for the first four. I've drawn the first one completely.
The second one I'm like fifty drum So there's already
progress being made. I'm gonna hope that this year I'm
going to be shooting to try to get three different
issues out on Kickstarter and then three different issues out

(56:22):
next year.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Awesome. Yeah, I think that's important for people to hear
because there's been I've heard that from people before, like
they back to something that was issue one and it
did make it, but then the creators didn't get motivated
to put issue two out to like maybe two years later.
So it's good. I know, James, I've known you for
a long time. I know you don't work that way,
but it's good for people to hear that you already

(56:43):
have it all done.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
And I try not to work that way, but I'll
be honest. Artists myself included, were flakes and distracted by
shaggy objects everywhere, and sometimes choices at to be made
on what we're doing now with me. Like you said, David,
I do try to stay focused and try to finish projects,

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but life comes up. Man. Oh looks like a question.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
First, he said, we need more stories like this. The
last thing I had my kids watch is the in
this vein was Brave of the Firefly.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Yeah, Studio Ghibli does a great job making stories like this.
The kids were the heroes.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
And then he says, do indie comics creators ever put
their comics on YouTube as an audio visual story? The
stills act like a backdrop that someone narrates with dialogue.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Yes, they do. Mike McMillan's got a couple that are
like that, and Mike McMillan is like the god king
of indie comics. It's I would say, it's rare where
some of us do it more so than others. I
was actually hoping that I didn't put this on there.
I wanted to that is actually a reward I wanted
to promise for this kickstarter but I but in all honesty,

(57:56):
I was like, gosh, that's all that editing, all that
O the rest of those stuff. I'm not sure what
price points to put that at because it'd be the
first time I ever did it. I would love to
go ahead and do that. But making motion comics, which
is what you're talking about, is a lot tougher than
it sounds. There's a bunch of different technical skills that
some of us artists have and a lot of us don't,

(58:18):
that it requires to make that stuff actually work right.
And there are a lot of little videos I've made
for this book are little like ten second versions of that,
and it took me like three four hours to though.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I will say, if you need a voice for I
want to say Patches, Yeah, if you want to If
you need a voice for Patches, Don has experienced doing
the voice of a bear for another animated short on
the Internet. So God is the king of bear voices?

(58:50):
Well oh right, well, okay, he's thinking of animal voices.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
I'm the king, yeah, dude, and Patches the miserable little bit.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
He has reason to be, though he has reason to be.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
I'm trying to make sure it starts off with him
not being quite Yeah, JD does. Actually I haven't talked
to j D about that. Sorry, I just read the
son's next comment.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Yeah, it doesn't. He has expectation of video editing here.
He does, but he's also very busy.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
That's the thing like I have experienced in video editing.
But it's.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
It is. Yeah, it depends on which software you're used.
There's so many different elements.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Just making that the shorts and the clips for this
show that I put on YouTube is a pain in
the butt. But I'm just using an eyemovie, so.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
I would it's a great suggestion, cause Son, I would
love to set aside enough time to pull that off.
But I also think that would probably be something I
would want to do in the story is a little
farther along as well. You've got enough backers into it
make enough time for stuff like that a lot, and
right now we're at the beginning, and to be it
usually starts a lot smaller, at least when you're an

(01:00:03):
indie guy like some nady guys who've already made their
really big projects and made their names for themselves. On
a mega level, they have a little bit more leeway
than what like that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yeah, but I volunteer. Don edited the video, edit it
and do the voices. Oh, if I get enough beer
in it, you'll agree to anything. You don't remember that,
you're not You're not wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
I remember we were at a Mexican restaurant the size
of my closet and after that, foggy just a.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Little bit, a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
That's the scenario for most of the Don Booth movies.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Oh wait, then killed JD and Don into the project.
Give him a hookah and the foruma.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
He'll do it any fucking lion. You ain't lying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
JD, like Dame is. Actually they're both a couple of
the people who have read the book before I really
And here's people whose opinion I respected and wanted to
get before I was done and ready to put it
out there. And I'm like, like Dave said that, I
don't think the cop The problem is whether JD would
love to do it or not. JD's going after him,

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isn't it. His poster crass Andy's teaching and he's raising
the kid and he's a wrestling coach. Trust me, he's
got his priorities and he's got him straight. I would
never want to distract him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Yeah, the juxt suppose that to don I have to
build a deck in my backyard.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
I have to build it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Yeah I do. We got a hot time. It's a
whole thing. It's a whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
You got a hot tub? When did you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Get Yeah, we did. It was over the summer. Someone
gave one away for free. But they're like, but you
have to haul away, and we just ran in a trailer.
But the person was telling us, like all these people
kept coming up with like trucks and ship. No, it's
it's a little bit bigger than that. But yeah, I've
got a hot tub. I just got to get this ship.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Everybody's got stuff to do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
What's more iportant comms. Spring's coming.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
You're gonna have You're gonna you gonna have some swingers
parties in that hot tub.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Oh my lord.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
The lat said about it the better.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Now he's gonna wait some nighttime and put up a
big old screen and just watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
That's absolutely happening. That's absolutely happening. Because one of the
favorite things me and the wife like to do when
we're getting along is to rank cabins with hot tubs. Yeah,
off ensues.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Happiness has to come first anyway, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Saying alcohol is involved or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
For those watching, James will try to get this back
on track. When does the kickstarter end? How long do
they have to contribute if they're interested?

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Okay, gotcha. We are running until the end of March
right now. We just started on Friday on the twenty eighth,
which in hindsight wasn't the best day to choose. Is
there everybody not wanting to do any transactions on that day?
But we've got the next four weeks for people to
go ahead and check it out and see what about
it that they enjoy, and if they do, try and

(01:03:07):
either back or share it. There's a lot of different
ways to help other creators on kicksers. Sometimes people don't
feel like they can back, but one good way is
to go ahead and share it because the story is
about trying to help kids who are feeling that fear,
who need that teddy bear, who feel like they don't
have choices in the dark. I feel that a lot
of people probably need to see some more inspirational stories,

(01:03:31):
and it's more important to me that it gets out
to as many people as possible.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Yeah. Yeah, because, like Don used the expression, juxtapose the
whole first issue, because you set up this story that
the bear is defending the girl and then boiler alert,
you flip that at the end and it's just the
Niagara falls. Frankie. It was like, Oh, this is perfect.
This is the best setup to a story I've seen
in a long Timeyah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Well, I got to tell you why he's there, right, Yeah, exactly.
The spoiler alert that Dave is alluding to is that
she which I mentioned before, is that she lost her father.
But you get to see it happen and see the
bear show up and stuff like that. And it took
a long time to weave that into the story correctly.

(01:04:17):
Something about it just didn't feel right until I added
those last four pages about the dad talking to his daughter,
and it needed those to get people to understand why
what's going on is important. Not everybody gets a chance
to talk to somebody they love before they go. Not everybody.
I got the chance to talk to my dad, but

(01:04:37):
most people don't, and so I used it to try
to make sure that these two characters were talking with you.
See why the dad is important to his daughter, and
it just helps communicate a lot of time people don't
get that chance, and if for anybody who doesn't, they
get to live vicariously. Anybody who has, they get to

(01:04:58):
remember how important those words were.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Okay, you're a terrible person. Oh it's gonna make me
cry on in air.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Oh that's my goal day. That's why I came here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
I know. Let's just say it's the Perfect World and
this becomes the biggest book in decades. Everyone loves it,
everyone runs out and gets it, and then someone wants
to pick it up. Would you want this to be
like a show, a movie, an animated movie? What would
be your dream? Or is it just comic? Is the
perfect medium for them?

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
That's a good question. When I'm making it, all I
would think about is yeah, because that's where my skill
set is. That's where my story selling I am. I've
worked with writers where they were thinking about the eighth
steps down stream and they would lose track of what
they were doing in front of him as a result.
So I try to concentrate there. But if I'm playing
the perfect world scenario and I'm imagining what I would

(01:05:51):
like to see it as in the future, goodness, gracious.
I don't know, maybe a combination of the two. I'm
a huge animation massive, but I would never want to
see this don like ever. Yeah, I would want to
see it into I would want to see it look
like an illustration. I would want to see it carry

(01:06:12):
that visceral weight, because I think a lot of three
D animation that doesn't always carry it because it's hard
to get just right. I do have friends who do
things like make movies. I know that there's at least
one person who would love to see it look like
that Christopher Robbin movie where the bears raggedy looking and there.

(01:06:34):
I've had other people go, oh, you made a book
about Ted. That's a very different scenario and it's funny
and it's got its own place. But this is very different,
And I don't know, man, I think that your fans
help decide what those other levels are. Like I've said
this before. You don't get to choose how epic what

(01:06:54):
you're creating is the readers do the viewers do? You know?
They get to decide how much they love it, how
much they support it. So I think that would have
to be something that has to be talked about. What
do people want to see. That's going to be more
important than what I want to create to a certain
degree after this is done, because if you don't have

(01:07:16):
enough people looking for it, you can run into all
kinds of problems, whether something being made right or not.
But ultimately, I'm focusing on trying to get the six
books done, trying to get that story out, trying to
get them collected, and trying to make sure that I
do those as best as I can so that when
people open it up and they feel the weight of

(01:07:37):
what this little girl is going to go through, and
they feel the weight of her choices and the weight
of her successes and the weight of her losses, that's
where my heart is at the moment. If I think
too much about the other steps, I'll lose my grip
on where I am.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Yeah, okay, that's fair, Okay, I have to highlight this
is the weirdest comment we have ever gotten. This is
from twitch people on Twitter. A little weird as a barber.
I love the men's cam every stage with a beard growth.
I think David's step one yeah, yeahs a trim yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
My dad had this big red beard all the way
down to this billy like a key. You look like stoic. Actually,
oh god, yes he.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Did see that. Sounds like a character for your books.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
My dad appears in every damn thing I do. Yeah,
one way or the other, like and not like the
dad that's inside of the dream world and he's explaining
how monsters come for people. There's this dad that's all
dressed up like a warrior. That would be my dad.
That's not me, that's him. He he like in in Damaging,

(01:08:50):
he is all over that you can't have damage without
having my dad's And in a bunch of the work
I did for Orange Comforts, I recently did one where
Cthulhu is invading the Wonderland and I made these nights,
and one of the nights I didn't even realize it.
It looks exactly like my dad gets a giant Cthulhu battle.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Sounds about right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
I gotta have fights.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Oh of course, what's the point of doing comics so
we can't have a blue fight? All right? Is there
anything else to feel? Because I read the book, I
think people should go check out the review, they should
go check out the kickstarter. It's a great story. It's
a great Like I said, this is definitely the setup
for an epic story. It's gonna be six issues, so
that seems to be the perfect length for this as well.

(01:09:35):
But yeah, like, I like, people should just go check
it out, like anything else to say? Don you have
any questions? You've been quiet. I know you're still steaming
about this, the whole Kathleen Kennedy Star Wars thing, But
come on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
No, I'm just listening to James here talk about the subject.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
I was looking at the Kickstarter information that you shared
it in the email, and I'm going over the synopsis
story and I'm just looking at it like, holy fuck,
this is like Yoko Zuna heavy, like wet blanket with
a coat of sour cream on it, fucking heavy and
that sort of things. I have to really regulate what

(01:10:14):
I doom for content. Oh, he did not like myfic
thus far, but it definitely seems like an interesting story.
It just seems very heavy, and I'm just not I'm
not a place for it, particularly somebody with I'll admit
it here, I've got daddy issues. Like my father was

(01:10:37):
in prison for most of my life. One of my only,
one of my only memories was, for whatever reason, one
day my mom thought it was a great idea for
me to go with an uncle I never knew, never
met before to go get my father from prison, which
we did. So that's how I first met my father,
getting him out of prison, where we proceeded to go

(01:10:57):
to some woman's house where I played Super Nintendo, specifically
F Zero with her son. As I realized the thump
thumps coming from upstairs was my dad banging his mom.
I get the whole daddy issue ship because anyway, there
you go, so he's dealing with I lost.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
That's the perfect moment to come back and try to
figure out what helps going on connection.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
A little window into my life.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Just a little all right. With all that said, I'm
going to say check out the Kickstarter, and I think
this is a good place where we can ask the
question that we ask every episode now, and that is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
What did we learn on the show?

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
As you can go first, did you learn anything tonight
or do you have any recommendations.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Be very careful of when you go back into conversations
after being gone for a second with somebody who's had
more than three beers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
That's a solid point.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
I am sure you recommend for everyone to go check
out the Bella's nod over on kickstar link is in
the description below.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Absolutely, I absolutely recommended. It's for everybody who's out there
has had to experience the fear of the dark, and
for those who have failed when they get challenged by it,
as well as for those who rose up to face it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
It's for everybody, all right, DoD. I learned that apparently
the song had a similar experience solidarity for those who
experienced their father's first day out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Outside of that, yeah, I have some serious shit here.
One World Under Doom the latest Marvel fuck thing to
come out, where Doom is source for Green and basically
Emperor of the Earth. If you don't like things like
universal healthcare and things like that, don't read this. But

(01:13:10):
otherwise it was very interesting, so I do recommend One
World Doom numero.

Speaker 7 (01:13:16):
Who know, it's been a long time since Doom felt
relevant for me, But that book I actually have been
curious about, and now I think I may have to
go pick it up just because you mentioned it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Yeah, I know you got in love with doctor Doom
writing a fucking Tyrannosaurus rex clad and Doom armor. Just
fucking shit up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Let's see what did I learn I learned that James
is a beautiful storyteller, and I already knew that, but
he can make me cry at the drop of a hat.
I also learned that that Don likes to party in
other people's fluids because he's got a party. I do
seriously recommend go check out A Ballot off nod Back.
It's a great book, it really is. I feel privileged

(01:13:57):
that Don sent us James James us the first issue
to check out. It's great and.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
He's a great realize he just switches to two letters
and it's the Ballot of Don.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Yeah, yeah, I know. I also recommend you head on
over to superhero Speak dot com or you can find
the podcast every week, links to all of our social
media at the top of the page, comic book reviews,
and so much more. I actually haven't been putting stuff
on the site. I need to fix that. I have
a message. Actually I have two things, two announcements I
forgot I wanted to do at the beginning of the show,

(01:14:29):
but I'm doing them now. At the end of the show,
we have now launched memberships again for the channel, so
please consider becoming a member. We have four tiers and
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and the second tier up you get access to a
member's only chat over on our discord, So you might

(01:14:52):
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or whenever I do the art and we come up
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(01:15:13):
about joining. And at the top two you get a
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think you know. I thought I came up with some
good tears for it, and it really would help us
out because Don wants to bring the whole family to
New York or something. He needs the money. But I
think that's the way he's talking tonight. I don't know
if he's bringing the wife. We'll find out. And the

(01:15:39):
other announcement was I know, if you're listening to the podcast,
you really should be watching us on YouTube. I've been
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(01:16:00):
fool of himself. It's great. On that note, on behalf
of myself, Don and our guest James. I'd like to
say thanks for watching and as always, don't let you.
Kate caught the door. See you next step