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July 18, 2025 75 mins
Join us as we rate, review and discuss Superman, the cinematic kickoff to the DCU! How goos is this movie? Is the DCU off to a good start? How does it stack up to the Snyderverse? All this plus nerd news and so much more, enjoy!

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hey everybody, and welcome to Superhero Speak. I'm your host Dave,
and I'm the other dude, don Oh, and we're getting
an echo because I forgot to turn my speakers off. Anyway.
I wonder what we're here to talk about today? No clue,
what's no clue whatsoever? I think we're gonna.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Talk nothing spectacularly fantastic happen Superman?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
No, No, nothing at all. Yeah, Superman, We're all. This
is all Superman all the time, this week or this show.
We do have a couple of news articles, but they
are just related to the movie. And and yeah, we're
gonna review, rate, review, discuss, debate James Gunn's Superman. Hello, Cassan,
So where we're going to? Are you ready to im

(01:01):
you the audience? If not, I don't know what's sight? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Not that interactive?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Uh nah, not tonight. So what's before we get into it?
What is new with you? There?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Don decides seeing Superman?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Other than seeing Superman. I've been like outside like all
weekend and it's been hot, just because I fancy this.
I'm not really a car mechanic. Recently had an oil
change and I said, you're back, break right, break caliper
is seized. You're gonna need a new rotor and all that,
and I'm like, okay, how much is that. They're like, oh,
nine hundred bucks. Now, okay, no, we're not going to

(01:37):
do that. YouTube it and the parts are like four
hundred bucks. And plus my son, who is sixteen is
into that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Did it.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
It was the whole thing and I'm not going to
go in it, but we did it. But yeah, being
doing that, even in my garage still in the summertime
was a bit oppressive. And then yeah, my wife is sick,
so I had to take my youngest daughter to a
birthday party and that was outside, and it was, oh,
how much do you trust the work? Don I trusted
it enough that I have been on the highway total

(02:05):
twenty miles with the car. We're good to go. You
said calipers, right, Yeah, CALLI had do calipers, rotors and
then break pads.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Okay, I've replaced calipers and I don't even drive, so
that that's not difficult.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
But I know if I would do the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, we did save a bunch of money, but yeah, no,
I trust the work there. But yeah, pretty much the
only time I spent in like air conditioning this weekend.
It seemed as while I was sleeping or watching Superman,
so I was an added bonus.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Thank goodness for Superman.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Thank goodness.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Indeed, what about Dave. I let's see, I didn't do
much since Wednesday either, been a little Like I said,
work has still been a little crazy, but that's fine.
The Thursday, I was supposed to go to my girlfriends
for dinner. That's like a standing date we have every Thursday.
And like, all of a sudden, a little before four o'clock,

(02:56):
she messages me and goes, my brother's at my house.
Don't leave until you know what's going on. I'm like, okay.
And then a little while later, like five o'clock. I
because normally I get there for six, so I normally
around five point thirty, and I start getting ready at five,
and I like, dexter, and I'm like, should I get
ready or what I'll call you in a couple of minutes.

(03:18):
I'm like, ah, long story short. Her brother like lives
in North Carolina and just decided to drop by the house,
but her mother is blind so she can't answer the door.
He was up visiting some other people and then decided
the distance stop by, and but she's got a ring
camera and she's got cameras all over the house because
again her mom's blind.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
She has it to keep an eye on her during
the day when she's.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
At work and her doorbell goes off and she looks
in and sees that it's her brother, and then she
tries to call her mom to say, don't answer the door.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
It's not Frankie. It is Frankie.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
She just like, don't answer the door to Yeah, don't
answer the door to him. I'll be there a little
bit because she doesn't the school she works that isn't
far from her house. But her mom's not answering the
phone because then she looks in the camera can see
she's at the door trying to go to it, so
she's the camera. She can talk through them, so she's
yelling through the camera, don't answer the door. She showed

(04:14):
me the video because it saves the video.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, but it's.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Funny because you can hear in the video the TV,
and the TV was really loud, so mom couldn't hear her.
Long story short, I know too late. She got home
and was fine, but like he decided to stay for dinner.
He brought his daughter with him too, and had her
dog is over protective effect. We're gonna talk about her
dog tonight because her dog is very much like a

(04:39):
dog we both saw in a movie is nuts as well,
so she had to like she basically traps him upstairs,
but then he gets whiny and barks and stuff, so
she stayed up there with him. And we were supposed
to go to the gallery where her one son works
because he curated a show for the first time by
himself and he wanted us to come see it thing,

(05:00):
and so she said, we'll just get We'll just get
together some this weekend. I'll make it up to you.
And I'm like, all right, yeah that was crazy. And
then but yeah, other than that, just typical stuff, other
than seeing Superman on yesterday.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
And but your what dissertation there is? Just please learn this, everybody.
This is why you don't just drop in, Yes, especially
if you live like four or five whatever states South. Yes, yeah,
don't do that because all the chaos that can ensue.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
And the other thing was that so originally it was
going to be Karen and I was going to be
a date night go see Superman. She was excited because
it's the start of a new quote unquote universe. She
hadn't see anything beforehand. We're also talking about that, and
she could just go see a movie. And then all
of a sudden, her one son was like, oh, me
and my girlfriend come along. So I was like, okay,
she's can you just because I usually buy the tickets

(05:51):
through fandango, She's like, can you just buy the tickets
and put them in a different road than us have
them in front of the house. So I was like, okay, fine,
that's what I did. And then all of a sudden,
her other sons wanted to go. Oh man, so what
turned into a date night was a family outing.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Isn't that great?

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yes, But luckily they're all nerds and love this stuff too,
so fait it all the fun and yeah, and then
getting ready for tonight. That's what I've been up to.
It was, it was, and it's hot. It's been hot
here too, man, crazy, But yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
So that's you.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
That's me. I guess that hold on shoot clicked on
the wrong button. Darth Don makes three m.

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(06:52):
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Speaker 1 (07:06):
Oh oh, I could just watch you due Darth Don
all night. This is a cool bucket because it came
with a lid. That's why the popcorn is still fresh.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Because the cool one of the theater I went to
was a big glass like popcorn like they make popcorn,
and out on the outside of it, Superman's hitting it
with his.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yes, they had that one as well. But here's the thing.
This set was thirty five dollars. It came with two cups,
one Superman, one Lex Luthor and the popcorn. And it
was thirty five bucks, which is about what you'd spend
for large popcorn and two so it is maybe a
little less. In the movie theater that that tin that
looked like a popcorn machine. I think they said it

(07:48):
was ninety bucks and I'm like he yeah, No, I
don't need that.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, I don't need that. You know what, though, you
are perfectly encapsulating a great lesson that I think people
in charge of making movies, particular combook movie should learn,
which is obviously the Superman movies. Everyone's liking it. And
then there you go. Dave comes home with the merchandise.
How much of you said? You paid thirty five for?

(08:11):
What four cents wereth the inflation? Sorry, forty cents forth
the plastic? Come on, now, that's how you make the money.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, no, I agree. And but when they have the
other one and it's yeah, it was way more than
thirty five and it's just popcorn, I'm like, I can't
imagine they sold a lot of this. I know, I imagine.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
I didn't see anyone carrying them carrying yea me either,
me either.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
I saw people with the metal one, but I didn't
see anyone with the with that one. It's not Comic Con.
It's a movie theater. You're going to see a movie,
so you can't get away with the prices. I will say,
I bought this shirt today. I realized I didn't have
a Superman shirt currently. But like we went to Cole's.
She was returning some stuff. I don't know any like
anyone knows this, but if you are returning stuff for Amazon,

(08:55):
you can drop it off for Coals and when you
do that, do the return through Coles. They will give
you a coupon. And they actually gave us a coupon
ten dollars off of twenty five dollars or more. And
the two shirts were twenty something dollars together. So I
got this one and I got a new Spider Man shirt.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
And how much Coals cash did you get so that
you go back to spend that.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
I don't have a Coal's account, so I didn't get
any Coals cash.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I just got the any Coals cash?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
What the hell? Man, I don't go there enough to
justify having one of those accounts. Because they asked you,
like you want to sign up? I'm like, nah, not today.
That's what I always say with when they ask you.
But yeah, that was my there you go. That was
a movie going experience.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Let's talk about that.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, I will say this.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
When I bought the tickets, initially there were quite a
few seats open, but not a lot, but enough where
I was like, ooh, this isn't a good sign. I
don't think there was an empty seat in there by
the time the moon time.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Okay, Yeah, and at the end, which mine was similar
execs Sumer thing like first you get there, but I
ordered through Fandango and I could already see. In fact,
we had a last minute add on a whole nother
frustrating scenario. But anyway, and yeah, it was like that
one person could not sit with the rest of us.
You're welcome to us, Disney, godboom, thanks for reminding me
to spend my sears bucks. I have bad news for you, Disney.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I'm sorry there's only one left.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
But you were saying, But yeah, my similar experience, though
by the end it was absolutely mostly fool and did
your did you did? Did the crowd you were with
it you watch a movie with did did they react
like during the movie or particularly after the movie, with
any sort of applause or.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
There was applause And there was a little bit of
a plause in the theater. Karen has the mindset and
it's funny, and our kids are the same one. They
can't hear you applauding, so I applause. But there was laughter,
and there's hoops and hollers and everything from everyone during
the movie, and yeah, quick spoiler. I won't say what
they are yet, we'll talk about them again. It diplous.
There are two after credit scenes. I will say this.

(10:57):
Everyone stayed for that first one, and then when the
credits started rolling, they actually put the lights back up,
which I thought was funny, and then everyone started clearing
out because I think everyone assumed that was it, and
there is a final after credits scene, so I was like, oh, okay,
and there was only like maybe a dozen or so
people who stayed for the second after credit scene. Yeah, well,

(11:19):
and we'll get into that, but yeah, let's talk real quick. Yeah,
I'll save the post credit scene stuff for when we
get into spoilers, but I want to There are two
David corn Sweat articles that I came out recently and
I wanted to talk about them. The first one is
did you know that he had originally auditioned to be
Adam Warlock in Guardians of the Galaxy three? No clue. Yeah,

(11:42):
obviously he didn't get the part. It went to Polar
Pomer what's his name and not important, but it obviously
went to see But it shows you that he then
had a relationship with Gun at that point, which is
probably how he got into the auditioning for Superman. Okay, dose,
He says, they did that with our lights during the
thunder Bolts. Yeah, and then I will say this after

(12:03):
watching the movie, I'm glad he didn't get the role
of Adam Warlock because I thought he did a great job.
What do you think would you have Do you think
he would have been better? Is Adam Morlock?

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Or did you do you like him as Superman?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well, if he was Adam Morlock, I wouldn't have an
opinion because I've never seen that movie. Yeah, I've seen
what I need to know, but I've got.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, that was before you were a full fledged member
of the podcast, so to go see.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
It exactly, see got it in the right time.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
All right, then you have no opinion. And then it
also came out that he so they did. I can't
remember what magazine it was. Maybe it was hold on,
let me looking up. Okay, this They did this magazine
article with Nicholas Holt and David cornsweat where one of
them's attached to a lie detector and they asked questions, right,

(12:49):
and they were asked. He was asked, if you had
the opportunity to play a Star Wars character like a Jedi,
or do Superman too? What would you Tay? And his
honest answer, he would rather be a Jedi Superman, but
he said he doesn't there there's no negotiations with Lucasfilm,

(13:09):
and he's already under contract to play Superman in the
Superman two. But he would love to play a Jedi
in a Star Wars project. So you're the Star Wars guy,
So come on, what do you think about that? Do
you think he'd be a good Jedi?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Would he be a good Jedi? It depends. I don't
think he would be a good Clone Wars or High
Republic Jedi. I would really see him more as either
Balin's skull type not Sith dark Jedi, or just whatever
ray ish Jedi again post Order sixty six. There's a

(13:45):
whole spectrum there, or something old Republic maybe even Revn.
I'm my top choice for Reven's going to be Keanu Reeves.
You don't think he's too old Reeves?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:55):
I don't really. Yeah, No, actors have a lot more
shelf life, particularly with touch ups and whatnot and CGI.
But also to that point, a lot of times Revn
is wearing a mask, so which could also limit the
people willing to play him, So it might even be
in a Pedro Pascal deal. He seems to be okay
with that. Yeah, yeah, I can see those scenarios. Like, again,

(14:18):
not a High Republic Jedi or galact Clone Wars Jedi,
but something a bit more edgier.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
All right, Superman, the Jedi castler giving Star Wars the
old Republic rules. Yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
What he's referring to, the slow Tour rules is the
table top game.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yes, I could see that. All right. So those are
the two articles I like.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
The guy doesn't want to be a Jedi, so I.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Think, all right, so let's get into the movie. Then okay,
we'll do what we always do. We'll go do the numbers.
So first off, we will do Rotten Tomatoes. We did
mention this on Wednesday, and the scores are pretty much
the same as they were on Wednesday. Eight on the
Tomato meter and ninety three on the audience with over
ten thousand plus verified ratings from the audience. So yeah,

(15:05):
people like this movie and you can't take that away.
So as of this live stream, their box office is
one hundred and twenty two million domestic, ninety five million internationals,
so two hundred and seventy two million worldwide at this point.
And the hold on I had it here the budget

(15:27):
was two hundred and twenty five million, so I know
Casan is sitting there and ready to point out that
doesn't mean they're making money, but strongest move opening for
a movie in a long time, especially for a DC movie,
and that's again projected. We'll see, we'll know better, we'll
talk to the numbers again on Wednesday what that actually
makes this weekend. But it was originally projected to make

(15:48):
one hundred and forty million, and now it's obviously done
much better than that. And finally, we did do a
poll like we did last time, to ask you who
your favorite character was. We did it on both X
and YouTube right here and our community over.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
On X the.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Choices are, of course, we say what did you think
of James Gunn Superman? The choices are always the same,
something like best Superman ever, it was good, not the best,
It was okay, meh, and I didn't care for the winner.
On x is it was good not the best at
thirty nine percent. Second place was thirty one point six
is best Superman ever? It was okay, met eighteen point

(16:29):
four and I didn't care got ten point five percent. Then,
of course I don't have it open. I don't have
the poll open. Here, hold on. It was basically the
same results over on YouTube. I don't know why I
can't find it at the moment. Give me a second.
Talks to the monk yourselves, How do I view this? Let

(16:49):
me go ahead, Oh, here we go, Here we go.
The forty four percent is best is the number one
on YouTube? Forty four percent best Superman ever? Thirty three
percent is it was good, not the best? No one
said it was meant and twenty two percent over on
YouTube said I didn't care for it. So we'll get
into the I didn't care for it's I think a

(17:10):
little bit. Cassan says Superman has to gross around seven
hundred million to break even, and I think it.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Will come close to a billion. Okay, good.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
A positive response about box office from Cassan. We don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
I don't understand though.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I don't know why seven hundred million.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Right, that's like they can make their next movie with
this one and another movie with seven And maybe I'm wrong.
I'm not an expert, but that seems like a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
So that all that being said, we know what the
audience thought, we know what the numbers are saying. So
let's start as we always do, initial reactions as we
got out of the theater, and what we're thinking now,
no spoilers, don What did you.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Think of supermoos woke? Is what I would say if
I was some a hole. No, it was wonderful. It
was absolutely fantastic. I have certain movies that are almost
like a comfort blanket if I'm upset or maybe having
a tough time mentally, so we're talking dark night. No
one's gonna agree with this one, but Iron Man two

(18:09):
is a comfort movie for me, and this is definitely
going to be one of them. I'm certainly looking forward
to having this available on streaming that way I can
watch it some more because, honestly, going into in this
weekend in general, like my this headspace, I'm just not
in a good headspace, stressors, whatnot. But watching this movie though,
it just it was an awesome like it still lifted

(18:32):
you up. It was You're rooting for Superman and just
feeling great and positive, and I was like, wow, that's
I cried during parts. Dude. Yeah, so let me not
overstate my thumbs up here with this movie. It's phenomenal.
I am surprised. I'm not a Superman fan per se.

(18:53):
I'm a Superman fan, but just not. He's certainly not
my favorite. I don't know. I don't know how to
explain that correctly, but yeah, I awesome. My thought. Get
the popcorn the comp that says it all.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yah, it was okay, Yeah, that's what my girlfriend told
me to do. I am going to say. I'm going
to say what I said on social media. You saw
the comment fuck Man is steel. Superman is back, and
that's why the title of this episode is Superman is Back,
because this is the Superman that I wanted to see
on He is the farm boy from Kansas who is

(19:27):
the most powerful of the superheroes. I know it's not
I know it's good. They're still going trying to go
strong this weekend, but hopefully this puts an end to
the Snyderbots who want to bring back the DCEU.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
It's never going to happen. It's done.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Is this an absolute perfect movie? No, there are a
couple of little things that I had issue with, nothing like,
oh my God, this is terrible. There so little things
and we'll get into that. But yeah, and like again,
David corn Sweat is great in the role. And I'm
not just saying that because he's from Philly as well.
And Nicholas Holt was born to play Lex Luthor, like

(20:08):
maybe the best movie depiction of Lex Luthor that we've
ever gotten. Yeah, Gene Hackman was great, but this is
a whole nother level. This is the billionaire, unstable genius.
So yeah, I loved I loved every minute and I'm
with you. It got me emotionally. I definitely teared up
on a couple of scenes, and I walked out of

(20:28):
there feeling hopeful, feeling like, yeah, you know what, humanity
really isn't that bad?

Speaker 3 (20:34):
And maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
I don't I don't know about humanity, but listen, one
of the one of the things that I guess has
always driven me to be a fan of super heroes
is the fact that we lived in a We live
in a fucked up world where money in corruption. Okay,
it's just what it is, and it's like the thought
of an all powerful being it would just come help

(20:56):
us get us out of this, take the power back.
The idea of the powerful using that powerful for the
weakest of us. That's just great. And this movie encapsulated
that and it was just awesome. I don't know, tell you, like, yeah,
that and just coming from a Man of Steel fan,
but this is comic Superman. This is a great comic
book movie. And I worried that, Okay, are we gonna

(21:20):
still get high marks if we go straight into this
DC universe because that crawl at the beginning, right three
three thirty thousand years or whatever it was. I think
it was three thousand years ago they started whatever God's
and the age of Gods and monsters and they kept
going down. Three years ago Super declared himself Superman. So

(21:41):
I was like, how would people react to that? And
I think the evidence says, hey, everyone's on board everyone,
but most people they're not. Are Matt Walsh or that
guy that talks really fast and always says his wife's
a doctor. I can't remember his name. But outside of
those dudes, everyone's digging it. Yeah, I'm glad for that.
I'm glad that we can dive in this DC universe
where Guy Gardner and the Justice Gang or in the

(22:04):
Hall of Justice. It's just boom, here we go. We're
hitting the ground running in the DC universe and everyone
is able to hang on and be on board. So
that's cool exciting.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
I will say this, there's a podcast or I watched.
It's a political podcast, and he's a very middle of
the road kind of guy. In some cases does lean right,
in some cases lean's left. But like he was one
of those when all that stuff came out because James
Gunn made a comment about Superman being an immigrant, there
was a backlash online, Oh Superman's woke because of one

(22:33):
comment from the director before anyone saw the movie, and
he was one of those on his show made a
comment like, oh Superman's woke, blah blah blah, and a
bunch of people jumped on that bandwig. But then he
went and saw the movie and actually did an honest
review and he's, no, this movie's not woke, and the
DCU this movie is going to save DC and Warner Brothers.

(22:57):
This isn't a strong start. So yeah, that's my full belief.
The people that are still majorly bashing this movie have yet,
they haven't seen it. They're just they're just bashing it
online because it's the cool thing to do.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
So, Yeah, exactly, that's exactly my belief. You're either a
you're just doing it for fucking negative engagement or whatever,
or be your tremendous asshole, probably and or both. But
you know what, I think people can see through it.
I don't know. That's why we have shows like this. Yeah,
so they know the different all right.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
That is, I think we've gone far enough before we
get into spoilers. If you haven't seen it yet, this
is where you can stop watching, go watch the movie
and come back if you don't care about spoilers or
have you've already seen it. Here we go. Let's start
off with I'm trying to think how we can do
this in a constructive way because we always go back
and forth. What are what were some of your favorite
parts of this movie.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
My absolute favorite part, and the one that you know
got me emotionally is when he's talking with his father
out on the porch and his father tells him what
you do makes you I'm proud of you, mon paw,
can't We're absolutely awesome. Yeah, it was just that was great.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Go ahead, interjected, No, that got me too, because that
scene is that seems the heart of the movie. That's
the whole point of this movie is that again we're
in spoilers. So he has this message that Darrell left
in this ship for him when he was a baby
that says, oh, you're the last son of Krypton. We're

(24:28):
a great people, You're like the hope blah blah blah,
and the mess the rest of the message is destroyed
or got damaged in transport, and he he believes that
his father sent him there to a savior for the earth,
help humanity, and then something will the something happens in
the movie where the rest of the message gets revealed.

(24:48):
It gets reale, gets revealed to the whole world that
he was actually sent here because these people are weak
and he can be a conqueror and all this stuff,
and like he has and crisis of identity at that
point because he like based what he was doing on that,
and he ends up turning himself in, gets captured, gets tripped,

(25:09):
ait poisoning, blah blah, and Lois brings him back to
mom Paw kent to so he can rest for a
little bit and heal up, and that's when we get
the scene, this emotional scene in the movie, and that's
the whole thing. That's when he realizes, Yeah, they gave
birth to me, but that's it. Then they sent me
in a rocket and sent me off and the planet
was destroyed. These are the people that raised me. This

(25:29):
is where this is my heart. This is who I am.
I'm a farm boy from Kansas and I was taught
to help humanity by these two.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
This is who I truly am.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
And like he doesn't say it, it's but you see
it because Powkin says he's proud of him, and it's
like the best scene ever. Somebody who remained nameless had
none of the people I went and saw the movie
with or just afterwards, was like their criticism of the
movie was that they made mom pop Bumpkin. I'm like, what, No,

(26:02):
they were farm people from Kansas.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
So what that person reveals is that's what he thinks
of like Middle America assault.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, it's it was very much a suburban, white white
person like attitude towards people who Middle America.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Probably think that of me if they knew me in
real life. Yeah, Like one of the things I was, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
I have farmers in my family. That's one of the
most ignorant statements I've ever heard in my life. So yeah,
so yeah, but yeah, that that is I agree with you,
probably like one of the best super hero movie part
of the scenes ever because it sums up what Superman
is without being in your face.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
You get the subject.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, when she brings him in to carry him into
the and lay them down on the bed and they're
like mom, pap Kent are sitting next to him, and
they're like fawning over them. And that's when I teared
up because as a parent, if that was your kid,
that's exactly what you would be doing. And it doesn't
matter if they're adopted or not. But we'll talk about that.
Has the comics ever explored durrell as overlords and has

(27:07):
been the firstnight being conquerors? Yeah, we'll get into that.
We will get into that probably when we get into
the things that we don't like. Okay, so okay, what
about is any other like major oh.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, power porn guy. So that point at which he
finally gets back and he's like spinning around lasering all
those like sleuthor armored flying suit guys. That was cool
and it stopped and then came up and showed the
yes on his chest like sweet that's fucking cool. I
like that. So that was the cool part to visually.
Other than that, I guess I would say when he

(27:40):
saved the squirrel, but yeah, but it's all the collective.
When he turned around after that building got blasted with
fire and are you guys okay? Superman made sure everybody
was okay, and I'd like I said, I took my
two little girls have been wanting to see this movie,
and I took him, and I was just so happy
that's what they got to. It's a superhero that they

(28:02):
saw that cared about the little guy, even though he
was the strongest thing, that cared about even the little squirrel.
So that that collective. Though I know the creature ended
up dying, but like he was trying to save that
big creature that was tearing up the city. But it's
the type of dude that that Superman was, Like, I
really dug, I really could felt that part was.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
A come on man.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
When he's talking to Lex Luthor, I feel like I
can yeah, I get this dude. He's reacting very similar
to probably I would if I was all powerful. Yeah,
so why did you do this in Bavaria? Because people
were gonna die? And I'm all powerful next question, like
any but you'm getting ahead of myself. But yeah, that
saving the squirrel scene just encapsulated the great person that

(28:42):
he is in this movie.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
So it's my response to that is and I don't
think I honestly don't think James Gunn did it on purpose,
But things like that in this movie is a big
middle finger to manage Goes Again. The biggest complaint is
is he fights Zod in the middle of Metropolis, knocking buildings.

(29:05):
Over thousands or millions of people died in that fight,
and then he breaks his neck at the end, and
he seems more upset about Zod dying than all the
collateral damage he caused fighting him in Metropolis, And this
movie takes the time to show he cares to make
sure no one gets hurt, not even the people he's fighting.

(29:28):
He's fighting the Kaiju, and he's trying to figure out,
how do we like capture this thing and incapacitate it,
and mister Terrific and Green Lantern end up euthanizing it
and a fairly what Superman surmises is a fairly painful way,
and he's, oh, come on, man, you could have at
least done it in a less painful way. And it's

(29:49):
like he is the boy. He is the big blue
boy scout in this movie. He is everything you want
Superman to be. He says all shucks, he doesn't cur,
he doesn't get he doesn't really get angry. He gets determined,
but he don't see him like getting poed at anyone.
It's how I felt about Chris Evans Captain America, Like

(30:10):
they did such a great job of making him this
nice guy who's just determined to stand up for America,
do the right thing. Whatever. It's just the same thing here,
and it's just on a big broader scale because it's Superman.
He's got all the powers. Yeah, And I don't know,
maybe there are Snyder fans who saw this and are

(30:30):
upset about that, because again, was it intentional.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
There are things in this movie that make it feel
like it was.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
There's a there was a thing I saw when we
saw the first whatever when they released the first minute
of the movie or whatever. And of course we all
know the movie starts with Superman crashing to Earth because
he loses his first fight. He's all bloody and beaten up,
and then the he gets Crypto drags him to the
Fortress of Solitude, and they Superman Robots used the son

(30:59):
to helium bah bah. And like the metaphor that was
used was like the image of Supermanman was beaten and
bloodied by the DCEU because they made him a dark,
brooding character. So this was the broken and bloody Superman
crashing into a new universe and then being lifted up.

(31:20):
And I feel like, after watching this movie, yeah, Okay,
here's the Superman. We all want it, but he had
to get beaten up first before we got there. Because
that's the thing too that I will say too about
one of my favorite things I like that part of
the story is it's the first time he was beaten.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, he's Superman for three years.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
He is the most powerful being, and then all of
a sudden fights somebody that's as strong as him. We'll
get to that in a second, and gets to fight
somebody as strong as Man and finally gets beaten up,
and he's got to deal with that on a level
like he's never really lost before. Like they don't go
into it too much because I don't think they wanted to.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Get too heady with the movie.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
He's got to deal with the fact that he is
powerful and like the people that were complaining online, oh
he's not all powerful.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
No, Superman isn't all powerful.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
He has been beaten up in the comics before he
was killed by Doomsday Who, but he didn't use kryptonite.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
He was just stronger than Superman.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
So this idea that oh he nothing can stop him
as stupid. It has happened in the comics multiple times.
So like the fact that they did that in this
movie is also made me happy. I don't want an
all powerful like he can walk in and stop any situation,
because then what's the point he can just do everything? So, yeah,
that was good.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
They're definitely not doing the ultra all powerful Superman, which
is which is nice. I still want him to be
really tough, but yeah, we'll talk about a situation in
this movie. And Cassan says I liked how this movie
explored the role of meta humans and political matter, whether
they should do so or not, or are they considered
an enemy's state for the interference that's the age old thing.

(32:57):
Yea also says I didn't like how the movie remove
the consequences of metal human battle in a large city.
You're talking about beings at level buildings when they sneeze,
somehow not one person was injured. I don't know if
we have evidence that no one was injured, but I
don't know that that's the power of Superman that they
are displaying, is that he was able to save everybody. Now,

(33:19):
don't get me wrong. They then to the they got
everyone out of the city. He felt they focused on
that a little a little bit, so we all knew
there wasn't a whole lot of people, right.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
I do not agree with you on that one. Thesan.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Okay, let's get into this one. Alex Luthor is hyper intelligent.
Why didn't he use this to defeat Superman during the
public during his public battles. I don't know if you're
paying attention to son, but he did try to use
his intelligence to defeat Superman. The problem is he's an
erratic genius. Like he does, he's sloppy and does. He's

(33:51):
not patient, he's vain, he doesn't have patience. He wants
to do things and get it done now, and like
he studied Superman and came up with the counter move.
This is also I think why Superman loses in the
beginning because he's a farm boy and he knows how
to like brawl, but he doesn't really know like fighting.
And Lex took the time to study every study how

(34:14):
Superman fought and came up with counter moves. And he's
telling Ultraman how to fight Superman, telling him what moves
to use to beat him. So that is him using
his intelligence to beat him. He just didn't do it
in a good way. Like intelligence isn't wisdom, right, just
because you know how to build a nuclear bomb doesn't

(34:34):
mean you should build a nuclear bob, right, that's the point,
Like Lex is unchecked intelligence in this movie that's driven
by jealousy and fear, right, and he just wants to
get rid of Superman. And that's the whole point. And
that is very comic accurate, Lex Luthor. There's a whole
bunch of what you call it stories in the comics

(34:54):
where like that's his whole motivation is Superman's is all
powerful alien we got to get of them. Okay, Okay,
So then what he meant, what Cassan say is what
I mean is why didn't use civilians to cripple Superman?
He doesn't want to do that publicly publicly, like he
he put humans in harms way, right, he opened.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Up a rip pocket universe and then but just to
interrogate Superman, he killed a dude. So he did use
civilian out the cripple Superman, but.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Couldn't do too much publicly because he was trying to
keep a profile of a savior to the Earth. So
if he all of a sudden did something that put
a bunch of people in harm's way and it quickly
got found out, he'd be done, which is exactly how
he gets brought down in the movie, Like it's his
true plans get revealed, they get published in the on

(35:42):
the Daily Planet, all the news starts covering him, and
it's oh, he's actually the true villain, which is actually
something I loved about this movie too. There was all
these rumors that it was actually gonna be Brainiac and
all these other villains. No, it was just lax the
whole time. That's what it should have been, right, Like
that is his arch nemesis from the common or at
least one of them, That's who this should have been.

(36:02):
So yeah, I love Lex. What did you think of Lex? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:05):
No, I thought it was great. Definitely my favorite Lex Luthor.
I agree with you, he's just unhinged, driven by whatever.
He does a better job explaining the movies. But no,
I totally liked I didn't think I would. I'm a
huge fan of that actor, but no, I'm with you.
I think he is definitely top Lex and he's beginning.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
And funny too because a lot of people asked, right
because he's no is he beast or cyclops beast beast? Yeah,
so a lot of people are like, why did they
go Kelsey Grammar beast? You can see now like he's
no longer beast. He is.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, he is Lex throw and through thanks because Kelsey Grammar.
As I've explained in previous shows, my favorite casting Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Becasn says, this version of Lex is better than Snider verse,
the Snyder verse, Lex was just I don't know, like
they didn't explain even like how he got so powerful,
But that's a whole other story.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
What's funny is they had a preview of I can't
remember the name of the movie Unfortunate, but they had
a previeven movie before this that starred that actor. I
can't remember his name, but he was acting just like
he did as Lex Luthor or like, oh, almost forgot
about that.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
I can't think of his name.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
It was some movie about some heist or something. I
don't know. There you go, the Magic movie.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, yeah, because it's now you see me, now you
don't or something like that. That's that's the new one.
But there that's based on a series of like where
these magicians are actually thieves and they use magic to
trick people. Yeah, and that's another thing. Oh god, I
can't Why can't I think of his name? That Jesse Eisenberg,
that's it. Yeah, so that shows you, I hate to

(37:39):
say it. That shows you Nicholas Holt's range as an actor, right,
Like he played a beast that you sympathized with and
was a good guy and you liked him, and then
he plays this maniacal evil genius trying to take over
part of the world and defeat Superman in the process.
And yeah, like where Jesse Eisenberg is Jesse Eisenberg and.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Almost movie Yeah, yeah, let's see.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
They fucking gave him long hair too, that's not that part.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
That was a weird choice. He didn't want to shave
his head for the thing. Luth All right, I actually
did put some notes down for things to talk about,
which we did talk about Lex. We talked about Clark's parents. Oh,
Lois and Clark. What did you think of Lois and
Leis and Clark's relationship.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, I don't know if I have too many thoughts
on it. I didn't hate it.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Ron brosh Nahan that plays Lois Okay, yeah, go ahead, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
I thought it was I thought it was good. Their
relationship was a little strange, It's all, we're not boyfriend
and girlfriend, but but he got there. He got there.
I would say there was some character growth for Lois
Lane in this, and by the end of it I
understood and it was again a good character.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
So I think what I will say to that is,
I I do feel like that's very much a modern
relationship thing for especially people in their twenties and late
twenties early thirties, where like they're seeing each other but
they're not really.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Dating, sucking friends benefits.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, I guess, so that's part of it. I do
think also, and it's funny because I actually said this
to my girlfriend afterwards when we were getting ready for bed.
I'm like, I feel like we're Clark and Lois and
she looked at me, and I'm like, I am usually
the one that's trusting, and I like meeting people and
I'll give people the benefit of the doubt, and I
usually trust people till they give me reason not to.

(39:34):
And you're the like, question everyone's motives, question everything kind
of person and she's yeah, you're right. So in that sense,
like it really hit home. I'm like, oh my god,
this is me and my girlfriend, and so it made
it more personal for me watching it, like, yeah, I
thought she did an amazing job. It did raise questions

(39:55):
in my head though, with some aspects of their relationship.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
One obviously like they've.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Been dating for a while, but while they're at The
Daily Planet, they're acting like they're not dating, so that's interesting.
And then it raises a question with me, And that's
one of the things I have in my notes is
how much does Jimmy know Jimmy Olsen, Because.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, that's because you get the feeling like he doesn't
know anything.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
And then at the end when Superman in the Lowest
go run off into an empty building to have their
moment together at the end of the movie Perry they
all know them go in there, which that that is
one of my things that I have an issue with.
We'll get to that. Perry goes, how long has this
been going on? And Jimmy goes about three months? So
wait a minute, he knows that they were in a relation.

(40:43):
Does he know Superman's Clark and Clark is Superman? That
was so confusing at the end when he like answered,
I'm like, wait a minute, then, how much does he
actually know or was he just saying something that no confident?

Speaker 2 (40:55):
He just knows Lois's bang in Superman. But because of
his glasses, supermandom look like Clark. And when I say that,
they explained in this.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Movie that's that. Okay, go ahead, guts.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, they explained this movie that his glasses like change
his face for everybody else. So that's that's why the
glasses are the integral part of his disguise because it
literally makes him look different. Now we'll we'll never know
what he looks like to everybody else has the audience
because it doesn't work on us, but it works on everybody.
It's not a bad comic book thing. Cassan says, Rachel,

(41:29):
I'm not even gonna say the last name. The girl
that played Lois looked like a young Courtney Cox. I
totally agree. Yeah, yeah, totally agree.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yeah, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
That's one of the first times, and people have said
that before, but it's one of the first time that
I can remember where they actually explained it as hypnot
normally the idea normally, the idea how they explained on
the comics is he slouches, he acts so mousey as
Clark Kent put the glasses on, wears his hair more
in his front of his face, that like he's a

(41:59):
different person, Like you can't believe that this person would
put on a cape and be Superman because he's just
this mousey little guy. So it's an unbelievability thing, right,
not a oh it's hypno glasses. So I don't know
how I feel about the concept of hypno glasses.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
And we're like it because in today's world where everybody's
got cameras and videos, it's it's it would make sense
that it has to be a little bit more than
just he slouches and doesn't act like someone.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Who Yeah, I get it, it's a way to actually
explain how it works. But he's gonna be in a
situation where his glasses fall off that happens. Cassan says,
I wish they didn't explain that it that way. Hypnoglasses
would work if people see the glasses. What about people
hearing Clark from behind.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Then they'd be looking at his butt or the back
of his head.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, maybe he's got a hypno butt.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Hypno Superman's hypno butt.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, he's got all sorts of goofy powers man.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
So, which does bring me to one of my other
slight issues with the movie is I thought when we
saw the clip of them in her interviewing him, oh
he is like when she says Superman, his waye gets
a little deeper and he straightens up. I don't feel
there was enough of a difference between Clark and Superman
in the movie, right, Oh.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yeah, no, not at all. Clark Kent in this movie
is just Superman, like you said, with his hair done
a different way, he's got the glasses on, He's still
this six foot four monster. It would be very recognizable.
So again that's why I like it. Maybe corny, but
I like the hypnoglass. You gotta have some sort of coming, right.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
But because that's the thing Christopher Reeve was the master of.
He acting like a dorky, nerdy little guy as Clark
Kent and then being this overly confident hero is Superman,
and I was really hoping they were going to capture
that in this and they did it. There's touches of it,
but I feel like it could have been done so
much better, and that would have really put it way

(43:52):
over the top for me. And not take anything away
from this performance or anything, but I feel like I
don't feel like James Gunn was as concerned about that
as he should have been, because I think if he was,
he would have worked out like when they're in that
scene in the Daily Planet, made him come off more
nerdy when they're having that conversation about his terribly written article. Right, well,

(44:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
I think he said, hypno glasses, we're done here. Act
like the best Superman you can be, all right, Yeah,
it's a ridiculous aspect of the character anyway, So really,
why put too much effort into accomplishing something that you're
probably not going to anyway? So I think I'm alright
with it. That just me personally, I was okay with it.

(44:36):
I thought there was enough of a change, see the meekness,
But this is more of a Superman I think Clark
kent move.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
So let me ask you this. When Superman is fighting
Ultraman and the Engineer, they crashed down to Earth and
the Engineer gets knocked down and Ultraman finally takes off
his mask. Were you shocked that it was just a
clone of Superman? Or were you and were you expecting
to see Henry cap face under there? Everyone said it
was going to be.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, No, I wasn't expecting that. I was expecting a
Bizarro type situation. So let me take this moment to
ask you, my boy, I really wish JD was here,
But so is Ultraman? Is that what he is in
DC comics?

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Now, Ultraman in DC comics comes from in parallel universe
where everyone from the Justice League is evil, So Superman
is Ultraman in that universe. So it's an evil version
of Superman. Okay, In the comics, Bizarro is a clone
of Superman. That is that Lex Luthor makes so that
that him cloning Superman is canon. Him being Ultraman, isn't

(45:42):
it's him being Bizarro. That being said again, big spoiler.
When he defeats Ultraman and Ultraman gets sucked into the
black hole. I feel like we just witnessed the birth
of Bizarro. I think he's going to come out of
that black hole as Bizarro, Like everything gets sucked in there.
He got sixth into a parallel universe where he lives

(46:03):
as Bizarro, and then he'll figure out how to jump
universe and we'll see him again as Bizarro.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
All right, Yeah, that's a markdown for me. Why did
we need to do that? We didn't. He should just
be Bizarro. He's already explained he doesn't have his intelligence.
That's why he's got to give him. The seven seven
eight four is all his commands.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Cassan says, I did not want a clone in this
movie at all. So Lex wants to destroy Superman but
decides to make a clone. Does not like meta humans,
or does he?

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, that's a solid point for me, and it also
if it was a solid point Luthor, I'd say, this
is all they're doing the Marvel thing where the villain's
the carbon copy of the hero, but Lex Luthor is
the real villain. He uses a carbon copy.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
I feel like if I was to dissect Lex Luthor,
this Lex Luthor, Yeah, he doesn't like meta humans. He
can't control because he essentially created the Engineer, who's a
meta human like he did it through technology, but she
now has superpowers and could easily use her powers to
take over his corporation, but she doesn't because he knows

(47:07):
how to manipulate her a controller. He makes a clone
of Superman, but makes it dumber so he can control it.
That's why he doesn't like Superman. He's the most powerful
of the medic human but and he can't control him
because he doesn't have him under his thumb in anyway.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
I really think that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
It's about power with Lex, and if he's not in control,
then he's got to get rid of him because I
guess eventually he wants to take over the world. Yeah,
Lex doesn't have any issues with the Justice Gang. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
They didn't really, they didn't really get into that.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
But I think Lex's obsession with Superman over anybody else
is that he is an alien. Yes, he's not. Even
No one in the Justice Gang is alien. They're all
from Earth Lantern yes, and that ship's from space. But
he himself is just some a hole from Earth which
so quick which.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Ends and ends up becoming the punctuation at the end
of the movie. Yeah, wait a minute, you're right, you're
one hundred. Wait don because that's the whole thing the
speech that Superman gives to Lex at the end of
the movie. It's you don't think I'm human, I'm more
human than any of you, or I'm just as human.
I doubt myself, I get hurt, I deal with struggles,

(48:14):
like I know what it is to be human, Like
your problem with me is that I'm an alien, but
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
I'm just as human as you are.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, Like that is the punctuation to this movie, that's
he's just as human. So yeah, I think that's that's
the best way to look at Yeah, all right, and
then let's say, because we're running a little long, we'll
get to a couple more things. Crypto, I've already compared
this to Loewe's and Clark to me and Karen, and
now I'm gonna say Crypto is her dog. In a

(48:42):
lot of ways, he's intrusive. People have woken up with
him laying on their chest, with him laying on their
chest just looking down at you, wagging his tail. He
will just jump on you and knock you over. He's
also a little nuts because he's ultra protective of Karen
and her mother and the people in that house. So yeah,
he's an extremely territorial dog, which I don't feel like

(49:04):
Crypto was as territorial. He was more just I want
to play and make a mess kind of a dog.
And if you give a dog like that superpowers, you're
in trouble. That's why. But yeah, I loved Crypto in
this movie. What did you think?

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, I think Crypto was definitely a highlight. You definitely
rooted for him. Yeah, listen, it is what it is.
It's a dog, it's got super hero powers. The kids
are gonna love it.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah again, white old dog. Okay, we're gonna root for
the dog.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yes, this is the superpower john Wick. That's why it's
like more towards the middle end of the movie when
the dog gets captured and he like, where's the dog?
Because if John Wick had superpowers, that movie would have
been over five minutes. Yes, And then of course the
fun little twist is that and I think this is
the first time this has happened. Crypto isn't actually Superman's dog,

(49:54):
it's his cousin's dog. Cara aka Supergirl who shows up
at the end of the movie. So what do you think.
I thought some people had an issue with her being
like a party girl. What did you think of Supergirl? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, I've got mixed feelings because I knew going into
this that was her dog, because I think it is
that way in the comics or one of the comic runs.
And with me taking my two daughters to see it,
I was like, Okay, really, hopefully they get to see
Supergirl and get intrigued by that and want to see that.
But then yeah, when she came in and yeah, you

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all go to a place where the red sun so
I can get drunk and he's a later bitch. The
kids laughed at it, but I don't know. I guess
I didn't appreciate it so much. But it's okay, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
That also means that because one of the next big
movies coming out is Supergirl. Yeah, Crypto is going to
be in that movie as well. Right, you can't have
Crypto in the movie. Everyone loves them and then goes
home with his owner who's Supergirl, and not have him
in the movies. Real quick, Cassan says, wait, isn't Hawk
Girl also an alien. Hawk Girl and Hawkman are a

(50:59):
curse relationship of two people that keep getting reincarnated over
and over again from ancient Egypt. But they were given
their powers when a meteorite made of uru. I think
it is metal that is the mythical metal in the
DC universe or no, no, it's not ur.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah that sounds like storm breakers.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, that's what storm Breakers made of. I can't think
of the name of the metal, but it's what the
mace is made out of, and the harness and everything.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
It's made out of this material.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
But yeah, like they're in a relationship with their cursed
to not be together, but they keep getting reincarnated.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
That's the story of Hawkman and Hawk Girls.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
So they're not aliens. They get their again green lantern,
they get their powers from an alien source. But yeah,
they're not actually aliens, they're more mythical. Cassan says, if
the nanobytes and the engineer made of kryptonite? Are they
made of kryptonite? How are her blades even supposed to
harm them? I don't know. The King just knocked the
blade out of the way and then he shot it
at her, so when she shot it at him, so yeah,

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there's no way the blades would have hurt him. Is
just a thing. It's what when they did get him unconscious,
they were able to get the Nino bytes inside of
him when he was down for a second, which that
wasn't and that was a kind of a questionable scene.
But because he wasn't really knocked out, he was just
drowsy for a second, the dinobots weren't moving that fast,

(52:18):
and I think Superman could have gotten away from it.
But what are you gonna do.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
You're gonna go open to space. Yeah, you're gonna pile
drive these motherfuckers are they're fucking around, They're gonna find out.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yes, Yes, that was an awesome scene.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
So let's get We're gonna run over a little bit man,
because there's a kind of a lot I still want
to talk about them.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Okay, let's get to let's get to Casan's point that
he brought up earlier, Jurel being evil.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Right, Yes, this is okay, good, Yes, it's definitely something
I need to touch base off.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
So have they done this before? Yes? And no. People
need to remember that retcon is second nature in DC comics.
They have rebooted, they've had so many is It's why
when you look at Superman from the forties to Superman today,
they're two almost completely different characters other than the same

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name and slightly same origin, but like they've changed so
much over the decades. That being said, yeah, there have
been stories where the internet maybe Durrell was maybe Superman
was sent here as a conqueror. They touched on it
in Smallville. But the thing I'd like to say is
they left enough wiggle room. I think that can just

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be retconned because you're taking a linguist's word for it,
that this is what they said when they don't know
what the base language is. The robots didn't tell them
what the translation of the first part of the message was,
so they have nothing to base the translation on. Right,
That's what I'm saying. It doesn't make a lot of sense.
Like someone just looked at it and said this is

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what they're saying. You can sit there and say, no,
it is mistranslate it. I think they gave them enough
wiggle room to get out of it. They can even
say that somehow lex doctored it and made it look
like it wasn't doctor, because that was the whole thing
that's Oh, these experts looked at it and it's authentic.
It's an alien recording. It's not using a JPEG file
or an MPEG file like it's an alien recording. How

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do they know it's authentic. So there's definitely enough wiggle
room to get out of that.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Yeah, yeah, you have to have suspension to disbelief for
this sort of thing. But I will say that something
that just is too far of a stretch for me
is that lex Luthor was able to interface with Kryptonian technology. Yeah,
something they've done before. They did an Independence Day, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
A Mac laptop to Haven in spaceship.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
So that's a little bit too far stretch for me.
But in the end, though, I can't hate it on too
much because it is a comic book movie, and if
the motherfucker's creating pocket dimensions, I guess I do have
to believe that he can interface with alien technology. But yeah,
I don't know. I also it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
I also feel like the what you do see of
the message in the beginning a totally different tone to
all of a sudden go as a conqueror.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
And well, yes too, I I.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
So unbalanced.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, it is no two halves of that message don't
jive at all. And I really thought they would come
back and say, oh no, he really did alter it.
But the fact that they are really going with again,
I just I still don't understand it. That is a
kind of a sticking point to me. How do you
go from serve them to hey, get a bunch of girls,
get a hair them together and fucking breed and yeah,

(55:31):
ulter rite it up, Like I'm yeah, that's something I'm
gonna struggle with. I guess I get it. As far
as driving home, the fact that he really does switch
from one thing I like about the Superman is that
he really does switch to Okay, fuck it, mom pop
can't are they're my parents? All play the video of
his parents that calms them, and then it's mom pop

(55:52):
can videos instead of Laura L and Jorel. That was
pretty cool. I liked that. I was like, Okay, that's
like fully transitioning him over where he's not focused on oh,
the Kryptonians and I want to know more, And my thought,
he's okay, fuck that, mom popcinner.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
There's an animated series that was on HBO Max The
Adventures of Superman or something like that. I don't remember.
The full title of it. We did watch the first
season on the show.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
And yes, and one of my complaints is that the
completely fucking erased Popham.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
And that's but part of that whole thing is that
there's a whole multiverse storyline in that where they explore
the idea that Superman is a conqueror in all these
other universes and what makes the Superman difference my adventures
with Superman. Thank you, so again, the idea has been
explored already many times, so it's not wasn't a new idea,

(56:42):
and I don't think it's gonna stick because I think
that is going to be the one genuine complaint people
have about this movie is there was no need to
make Jorel evil just so that Superman embrace his humanity more.
But yeah, yeah, it's not gonna stick. But yeah, it's
not a new concept either. That's why I didn't wasn't
a big shock to me. I was like, Oh, they're
going that Joe L rep. Which is weird. Radley Cooper

(57:06):
was hired for a day to talking of fake fake language.
Yeah he got paid. But now I think A Son's right,
it's not gonna stick. They'll wreckcon it somehow in the
next movie, or they.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Have to, because it does not make the whole olb
the serve these people to conquer them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Yeah, it also doesn't work because the whole point of
Supergirl is she was sent to protect Superman to make
sure the beat because she's a little older, and she
gets sent to make sure that he makes it to Earth.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Okay, so that she gets launched right after him.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
And okay, maybe Superman wasn't a conqueror, and then why
isn't his cousin the conqueror. That's why this isn't gonna
That's why the story doesn't work. Yeah, that they're gonna
have to Son says, I swear to God. If they
introduced a multiverse in the DCU, I know what comic
book movie has die? You know what, Cassan they already did.
Did you not pick up this is a multiverse movie?

(57:59):
Like already. Let's start with Peacemaker, and let's start with
Rick Flagg was still alive. We watched him get killed
in the suicide Squad, and now all of a sudden
he's back. Same actor. Wasn't that the same actor? No?
May you know what? Maybe not?

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I thought the guy that played him now is a
dude to play Crossbones.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
You're right, it is the guy who played cross never mind.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
I don't know his name. I recognize him.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Yeah, you're right, but he was he was in he
wasn't in things. But they if you, Okay, forget what
I just said, I'm an idiot, but if you watch
the trailer for Peacemaker.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Yeah, it's Peacemaker that's doing the multiverse shiit so like
they which belongs in the dead universe, that whole thing
that's still know what.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
That's what's happening is that he that Peacemaker is gonna
end up in our universe because he's gonna do the
multiverse thing. So we're already we're starting off with a
multiverse like. It's like unfortunately that's the rout James Gun
decided to go instead of does a clean slate reboot.
So yeah, I don't see. I don't see how you
get around it. I don't think because that's great artist.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
I don't think they're.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Gonna lean heavily into it like Marvel currently is doing.
I think it's just gonna be a quick thing and
maybe they'll use it like because again, I think they'll
do the idea of a Bizarro universe later on to
bring Bizarro in, but I don't think it's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Like as confusing as the MCU currently is.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
And that actually brings me to like another point I
wanted to bring up, because you're not a DC guy, right,
but really, but you know who talk Girl and Green
Lantern or did you have any do you have any
explosion of mister terrific before? Okay, he was in Arrow
the Arrow TV show.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
And watch it.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Okay, I love the character.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
A guy who played.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Though that's what I want because that's that's him.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Yeah, it's like highly intelligent Eddie Gathiji played him. Who
Darwin in first Class, which is another thing I saw. Yeah,
Cassan says, mister Terrivic was one of the highlights of
the movie. We need more mister Trivick. I'll get to
that in a second. But that's one of the things
I wanted to say, is that you're not a DC guy.
But even like Enore me, like my girlfriend, she had

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no idea who those characters were. They don't introduce them
at all, like they tell you in the beginning, Like
meta humans have been around for a long time, but
they don't. There's no origin, which I appreciate as a
comic book fan. Just walk me into this story. I
don't need to see the ship crash land. I know
who Superman is. I know who Guy Gardner is. I

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know who mister Terrific and Haulk Girl are. I know Lex,
I know tes Macher, and otis Ultraman and the engineer
like Boom and Morpho is that his name? I know
these characters, so this all works for me. But my
girlfriend turned to me, like, who is that? What's going on?
I'm like, they're just other DC characters. I'll explain later.

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But is that a detriment to just throw these characters
and not explain who they are at all?

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
I don't think it was. I don't really think that was.
I don't think it's the point of the movie other
than Metamorpho. He was used there because he can turn himself,
part of himself into Kryptonite, and that's how Alex was
able to Superman captured. So I didn't seem to hurt
anybody I watched.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
The movie with.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Okay, I thought the screaming Hawk girls screaming was a
little annoying.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
She's a hawk, She's a part hawk, I guess, or
at least she has the powers of a hawk. And
sure that's one of the things hawks do, is they scream.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Yeah, but no, I don't think I think they did
a pretty good job of laying the groundwork of each
one of those characters a little bit. Hawk Girl. She's
got the President of Bavaria or whatever his name, and either, oh,
you're not going to kill me like Superman, and she's
hot Nope, And oh, okay, hawk Girl's pretty hardcore, all right.
And then with Guy Gardner, oh, he's he's just an

(01:01:54):
arrogant asshole jerk, but hey, he is coming through in
the end. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Also, he has also confirmed he is in lanterns and
he said in the show he's the green lantern. You
don't want to call mister terrific.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Like I said, know nothing about him, but that was cool,
And I don't know how comic actory this is. Well,
he cannot stop himself from correcting people about stuff like
we're not circles, they're three dimensional circles are Like, no
one needs that explanation. But still every time he had
to explain, like, no, that's not what that means. I
thought that was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
This isn't. This is not meant as an insult anyway,
but he's the way he played him, and I feel
this way a little bit. In the comics, he's an autistic,
highly intelligent, autistic person where it's just no, there's fears,
but it's also like why he's not a very emotional person. Yeah,
he did such a great job of portraying that he's
this highly intelligent. It makes the afric credit scenes so

(01:02:49):
good where they're standing there and they're looking at the
building and there's a still a crack in it, and
like it's uneven. It's uneven. He's like, what do you
want me to do? Take the whole thing apart and
put it back together again. He isn't no, and then
he's like walking away and he like kicks his foot. Shucks,
Superman is upset. Superman is criticizing me, which it works
on so many levels. It's him showing emotions after not

(01:03:11):
showing emotions, and it's like he's upset because it's Superman criticizing. Like,
it just works on so many levels. It's such a
great little scene at the end. But yeah, and I
get it. Casan says, I don't need backstory. I got
who the characters were, and that's true, but there are
people who are just like, who's this hero, who's that hero? Yeah,
unfortunately my girlfriend's one of them. Like I got a

(01:03:34):
little too real there, don I forgot. There is also
speculation that there will be two spin off TV shows
from this movie, the first one being Mister Terrific getting
his own TV show, the other being a Jimmy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Olsen TV show.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
We oh, well, Jimmy Olsen did have his own comic book,
but Superman and Lois were in it a lot, so
I don't know how you it was a sneaky way
to have another Superman title. I think you have to
have them in there once in a while to make
the show work. But yeah, I would watch a Mister
Terrivick show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Yeah, all day.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Yeah, it's another take on an Ironman type character.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Really. Yeah, when you think about it twice, if you
needed Oh wait, it did good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I'll make it through.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
I'll make it through, okay, good? Yeah, all right? And
then what else?

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
I've got one other aspect that I wanted to So
you just one other aspect that I would like to
touch upon, all right. So I did not realize this
it was going to be to this extent. So I live,
as I've explained before, about forty minutes west of Cleveland.
In fact, before the pandemic, I had to drive to
Cleveland and back every day four months job. So I

(01:04:41):
knew that the base the fight scene in the baseball stadium,
I already knew that's the progressive field in Cleveland. Okay,
that's for the Cleveland Guardians play. And I knew that,
but I did not realize at to which extent they
were shooting in Cleveland. All those city they're fighting up
in the air. The rift is coming toward metropolit Cleveland

(01:05:03):
is Metropolis. Oh okay, so it real meta here. Hats
off to James gunn here. I think he meant for this,
but obviously obviously, but Cleveland is the birthplace of Superman, right,
Cleveland is essentially Metropolis in this movie. That's fucking cool.
That is way cool. But I know that's only something
like I can enjoy. I guess we're sending I'm the

(01:05:26):
only Cleveland boy. But I really did enjoy that touch
that I recognized the bridges and the buildings and the
bodies of water Cuyahoga which caught on fire once much
better nowadays. Cleveland's actually recovered quite well environmentally, But that
was just so. I just wanted to mention that Jeff's
kiss on that, and I enjoyed that quite a lot,

(01:05:46):
as being somewhat familiar with the city of Cleveland, Ohio.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
So that's okay. I liked. One of the things I
loved about this movie were the touches to the Christopher
Reeve Richard Donner Superman. We've got the what you call
it the theme being used to play it on different
instruments than John Williams, but still there was the theme
being used throughout the whole movie, especially when he was

(01:06:11):
fighting and doing well, or like when he showed up
to save the day, the music played, and then the
end credits were a throwback to the original nineteen seventy
eight Superman movie with the outline, red words and everything,
and I'm like, yeah, he gets it. Like that is
you're trying to reach a target audience, and it's not

(01:06:33):
just new kids, it's also the people who grew up
with Superman and love the character. And to do that,
to do those little touches and without overdoing it either,
it's not like he called it. Oh and of course
Otis and Testmacher being in the movie as well, Testmoker
being the girlfriend and Otis and Otis being the right

(01:06:53):
hand man, because those were characters invented for that movie.
Like that, it was. It was brilliant, Like you didn't
over do it, you did it just enough. I agree
where fans of those films are like, oh wow, I
feel included in this. So yeah, and then again the
big few to this Nighter verse. I don't think it
was intentional, but it's there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Oh, I think it was pretty intentional, even even when
Guy Gardner the Justice Gang is destroying that army and
he's using the ring and all these middle fingers come up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Yeah, wait, don you didn't bump into gun or David Cornsmett.
Do you consider yourself a true Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
I guess I can't because, like I said, since the pandemic,
I no longer have to drive there every day, So yeah,
I don't go there often.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
I thought Cleveland rocks.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
I like the city a lot, Rock Roll Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Yeah, but yeah, I'm trying to think, is there any
major aspect we're not thinking about yet? I think that's
I think we did. I don't know, like we could
kiss this movies, but all night long. But I think
it's time for us to give final thoughts and our
score one out of ten gapes.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Of course, don you can go first.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
I was skeptical going into this movie, but when I
saw JD. Aliva's review because he apparently saw it Thursday
and I didn't get to see ittil Saturday, I knew
it was going to be special because of his Superman
fandom and what the character means to him. So I
was like, okay, all right, and yeah, I was pleasantly surprised.

(01:08:31):
I was happy to be there with my children and
for them to see this role model of a superhero.
It was emotional for me on multiple levels. Yeah, it
was just absolutely wonderful. It was not without flaws. My
wife is the one that kind of pointed out to
me I didn't mention this. I told her I would,

(01:08:51):
so I'd better do that that. She was the one
who was like, but that message that makes no sense.
I would go from help people to go get your
harem and become a concret girl. Was like, yeah, that really,
that really doesn't make sense. I thought they would clear
that up. But man, just fun uplifting. Like I said,
It's going to be a new comfort move for me
once I'm able to stream in our regular and I

(01:09:12):
actually want to see it again. I'm normally not that
guy in this day and age with them hitting streaming, yeah,
five days, but I think I want to go see
it again. I want to go feel good again, man,
feel good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
I actually know a couple of people who have already
seen it twice, and yeah, I'm right there with you.
I might not do it just because we got another
movie to see in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Listen, I said I wanted, we wanted to watch Rogue
one together. We still do that. Yeah, yeah, stomach bigger
than your guys, bigger than your stomach sort of thing.
But life is freaking hectic, all right, So go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
What was your what's your what's your score? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
My score is a nine out of ten? Nine out
of ten?

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
All right, Okay, So my final thoughts, I'm going to
say again that this is few men of steel. Superman
is back. That is my way to sum this up.
There is there are a lot of people online who
said that in today's world, you can't do the hopeful
boy scout Superman. It just won't work in today's world.

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James Gunn just proved all of those people.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Has proved that you're all just cynical pricks.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Thank you. And it's funny because there are the people
that are fans of the Zack Snyder Superman, the dour
God Complex Superman and and yeah, and that's the other thing.
If you don't make him the most unstoppable force, you
can get a good story out of the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
So he proved everyone wrong and I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
So glad that he did.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
The DCU is off to an amazing start. Can they
keep this up?

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
We'll see. I think we'll see shortly with Lanterns, and
then we'll see with Supergirl and whatever else is coming
out next. I'm not sure. Oh in Peacemaker season two,
so we'll see. Can they keep this momentum going? And yeah,
I think they will, but again we shall see. Don't
think James gun can head every project. That's the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
So I don't want him to Bravo James Gunn because
I was actually looking, Okay, how James gunned up? Is
this going to be? There was two James Gunn scenes
where oh they're doing the serious battle going on and
some goofy type music going when particularly when mister Terrific
and Lois that scene at the first Portal or whatever that. Yeah,
I was playing the little bright silly music while all

(01:11:26):
that's going down. But it wasn't too bad. I don't
want to see that and everyone. So I'm happy to
hear that James Gun is not going to be part.
He did a great job. So I am officially a fan.
I was never but I am now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
I was waiting for Lois to like, after the battles ever,
go wow, you really are mister terrific. But that was
a missed opportunity in my opinion. And yeah, and you
know what, I'm rooting for David cornsweat with the local
fillings and all of that, but he did such a
great job. I want to did I want to see
more Nicholas Holt lex Luthor. I just I want to

(01:12:00):
see more out of this universe. And I think that's
the highest praise. I didn't watch this going eh it
was okay. I watched this going I want more, and yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Want more, and I'm rooting for Superman during this movie exactly.
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
So with that being said, yeah, I agree, this is
a nine out of ten movie. It's everything true comic
book fans one and out of a Superman movie. You
got Superman fighting a Kaiju, you got Superman fighting a clone,
you got Superman confronting Lex Luthor with an intellectual conversation?

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
What more do you want from a Superman movie?

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
It's dark? Perfect?

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
He relates, Yes, I relate to the Superman the common Yeah,
he's human, I certainly relate to him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Final comment here from Ema ray Guns Corn Sweat was
absolutely perfect a Superman. I wouldn't mind seeing a little
bit more Clark Kent Okay, Yeah, yeah, I think. I
don't know if you caught the earlier. My one little
complaint was the wasn't enough a separation of the two.
But they made it work. Why didn't they? Why Lex
just opened the door? They put them in the truck

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onun restrained. Why didn't just open the door and run?
But I got far a he.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Wouldn't have got far. And this isn't the end of
Lex Luthor.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
I swear at some point he's going to be running
for president here in one of these movies. So he's
in bed with the United States government exactly, and worst
people have run for president all right. He represents the
money and corruption and is ruining this world. And this
movie's got just a lot of great metaphor. Anyway, go ahead.
I'm sorry, we're trying to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
All right, let's ask that all important.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
What do we learn on the show tonight? You're people
of growth, We must learn from our mistakes. What did
you learn tonight? Don or do you have recommendations or both?

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
I learned that to go along with the hypno glasses
when people look at his front, that Superman very well
may need hypno butt for those that are looking from behind. Okay,
I have no recommendations. I haven't watched the damn thing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
I learned that you can do the hopeful blue Boy
Scout and people are gonna love the movie. I think
that's the most important one. And I can't wait for
more DCU. The DCEU is officially dead. So if you're
watching this and you're a snyderbot and you're still trying
to tear this movie down and say bring back the Snyder,
it's done. It's done. This movie is gonna make a

(01:14:27):
billion dollars. No one's gonna ever listen to you again,
so get over it. Yep, that's my recommendation. My recommendation
is if you're someone who's still fighting for Zack Snyder
to come back and finish his movies, just get.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Over it and all that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
No points across. As always, thanks for watching. Don't let
you keep caught the door. See you next time.

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You haven't done so yet. Subscribe It really keeps this
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Maybe leave a comment or two.

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