#635: Fantastic Four First Steps

Join us as we rate, review and discuss Fantastic Four: First Steps, the latest entry in the MCU. How does it stack up to other MCU films? Did they finally get Marvel's first family right? All this plus nerd news and so much more, enjoy!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hey, everybody, and welcome superhero speak.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm your host, Dave, and I'm the other guy God.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yes, the Nerd on vacation in an undisclosed location. Indeed,
we are here to talk about, of course, the Fantastic
four First Steps. And we got a couple articles tangent
tangentially related, some news about some people upset about the movie,
and we'll get into that, and then a couple of
articles related to doomsday that are interesting. I think the

(00:46):
ones a stretch and the other one that's not a
Fantastic our reference, and the other one's a little the
other one's true but a little and a little concerning.
So we'll get into all of that. But before we
do that, don how how are you? Obviously you're not
at home, you're traveling. What's up with you?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, like it says, I'm on VAK. I am on
an undisclosed location a near our nation's capital, which I
will actually be visiting during this week. And I've never
done that before, so I figure I might as well
go see it before it all crumbles into ash. Other
than that comic book movie that I'm sure we're going
to talk extensively about, I'm excited for that, but yeah, hey,

(01:26):
no work for the next seven days outside of my
wonderful work here with you, sir, glad to be here.
How about you? How has your since Wednesday been?

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Let's see. Okay, for the most part, I got some
interesting news from my daughter on Friday, so I don't
for medical reasons. Her mother in law needs to move
in with them because she has MS and she's gotten
really bad. And okay, so my son in law's move
in with us, will take care of you, sure, which
then turned into well, then they've got to find a

(01:58):
new place that is a can accommodate her, where the
bedroom and the bathroom all on one floor. And then
of course they have to sell. The plan was they're
going to sell their house and my mother in law
are not my mother in law, her mother in law,
who owns her house outright, doesn't have a mortgage. The
thought was, we'll sell that house and then they'll have
enough more than enough money to cover another house. And

(02:21):
because the housing market's crazy, as people know, things are
getting more and more expensive every day. So long story short,
and I'm like, oh, okay, so we're probably looking three four
six months out before anything. She calls me on Friday
and goes we found a place and we put a
bid in on it, and I'm like, oh, okay, and
you drove through this lovely state today and she's it's

(02:42):
in York. I'm like, what, So for those who don't know,
that's almost mid Pennsylvania. It's a good two hour drive
from from.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Where I live.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
So that's going to make things interesting. No more ask
me to stop by the babysit.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
So Safe Staycare is to have some slots open soon.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
I guess now, she said, we'll schedule monthly visits and whatnot.
So we'll see. But it's tough when you have adult children, Yeah,
and they have to make adult decisions that affect your
ability to see your grandchildren. It's a little upsettings, I bet, yeah, yeah,
but it's probably what's best for all of them, So
I'm not gonna do, she said, showed me the listing.

(03:23):
It's it's a really nice looking house. That's it's almost
they have almost a whole acre, so huge yard. She
told me that there's a horse stable across the street,
and there's you can't you can't see your neighbors. You're
that far apart kind of neighborhoods. Yeah, all right, it's
probably better for the kids.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
But but yeah, that that sucks. I'm not a grandparent
and my oldest is sixteen, so obvious I'm not living
that life yet. But you're right. If my daughter gets
married on this and she has to move frigging across
the country or hours away, it is, it's just gonna
chat my asslet so I get what your colored, bro.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah. But other than that, Yeah, I saw a movie
on Saturday with my girlfriend that you texted me at
eight forty five in the morning to tell me about.
I'm like, who the fuck's text are like, Oh, it's
not Oh.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's do he's on the pooper? Okay it worked, bored, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, and oh I didn't create a tag for it yet,
but I did want to do real quick. Here's an
update on Superman as of this live stream. Current budget
world war our current budget current gross worldwide is five
hundred and two zero point seven million dollars. They were
saying it needed to make between five and seven hundred
to be profitable. The estimates still eight hundred million before

(04:45):
it leaves the theater. It does feel like that's still possible,
even with Fantastic four being out and we had actually
had a comment on one of our videos. On one of
our shorts you put out here on the YouTube's someone
was like, man has Steel made six hundred and seventy million.
Everyone keeps saying that number. This movie will be lucky
if it makes five hundred. Well there you go. Luck

(05:05):
be on their side five hundred.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
I definitely think they're gonna they're gonna make But yeah,
we're not here to talk about Superman. I just wanted
to say that because screw you guys. It's a good movie,
so all day.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yes, and plus, man is Steel doing that much? Again,
I was like I'm throwing this out there every week.
But that was pre Cody streaming, like a whole different world.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Man, it was a different world. And it was like
they're like, people forget. There wasn't much going on yet.
We didn't have the MCU yet, we didn't have the explosions.
That was the first DCEU movie, and everyone was Everyone
ran out to see it because it's Superman and they
wanted to see what it was like. And everyone still
went to the movies all the time. Back then it

(05:48):
was pre streaming, so yeah, like exactly, it's a It
was a different world. But I do think it's Man
of Steel, not manistelel. Superman is gonna make it funny.
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All right, on that note, let's get to get into
some news, and we're going to start off with of
course we're talking about the fantastic four First Steps, and
there are fans online. I thought this was so funny

(08:46):
that are upset because there are scenes that we're in
the trailer that aren't in the final movie, And like
I saw that, I'm like, that just seems weird, right,
because that happens all the time.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
So, but like somebody said that, thinking about the scenes
that have been cut from the movie that were in
the trailer, the movie would have been about twenty to
thirty minutes longer. Yeah, and so what was it like
trying to think of some of the scenes. Let me
see if it says it in the article real quick, Oh,
that's what it was. That was one of the main things.
John Malkovich's character Red Ghost was completely cut from the movie,

(09:23):
So I'm guessing that's what happened. Was they when they
made a decision to cut the character, they probably had
to cut around a lot of stuff that his character
was in. And there's also a scene in the like
the trailer, the original trailer, I don't remember, they're like
giving someone a tour from the of the Baxter building,
read and see or walking them around or whatever. That's

(09:44):
not it at all. But I feel like Marvel has
a history of filming stuff that is just in the
trailer and not in the final movie, Like they've done
it over and over again. And I think there's several
reasons why, and I think an the next article were
gonna talk about hints at that, but I also think
it's just, yeah, like maybe they realized that a character's

(10:06):
not working and they decide to cut the character, and
then they have to like shoot around it, change things
up and cut things out of the movie. So I'm
sure that there will probably be on the DVD or
on the streaming services in the bonus features of the
cut scenes, and we'll see. But I don't know. It
didn't affect my I didn't. I wasn't watching the movie

(10:27):
going wait, where's the tour that was in the tren Yeah,
where's John Malkovich? Wasn't I didn't think that at all.
Did you miss anything that you saw on the trailer?

Speaker 2 (10:37):
No, And like you said, Marvel does this quite often,
so to be upset by it at this point is
a little sus but I appreciate because, Yeah, I wasn't
clamoring for John Malcovitch, the only John Malkovich character I've
ever clamored for. It never happened. He was supposed to
be the Vulture in the original Sam Raimi spider Man
for Oh that's cool as hell. Okay, but I'll that

(11:00):
I'm just I'm not clamoring for John Malcolm. I'm not
clamoring for a tour of the Baxter building. I felt
like we got a pretty good tour without them just
being in our face about it. And I also appreciate
the fact that the movie I felt was a really
reasonable run time. Yeah, particularly since I took children. And yeah,

(11:20):
I think they made the right decision there. And no,
I'm not clamoring for what we're missing. I'll talk about
this a little bit later once we get into the movie,
but definitely online I'm seeing some people that are just
clamoring for something bad to say about it, So I
think this is more of that.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, we'll get into that because I've
seen quite a few comments and I'm like, but why,
it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Yeah.
Then the other article. The other two articles are related
to Doomsday, and the first one I'm gonna mention first.
So Rebecca Romaine who plays Mystique, and it will be
reprising her role in Doomsday as Mystique. So they're the

(11:57):
older X Men recently six comic Con. Because that's the
other thing San Diego Comic Con is going on this weekend.
We will obviously that'll be the next show. We'll talk
about all the news that comes out of there. But
I thought this was interesting because it is related. There
was like rumors that they were filming Doomsday without a script,
and she confirmed it. They don't have a complete script

(12:19):
for the movie. They have a partial script and an outline,
but it's not doesn't it's not a complete script, which
Marvel is famous for doing that. They have an idea
and they start filming and they just edit around things.
Does that make you nervous at all for Doomsday?

Speaker 2 (12:37):
It does. Already nervous about the fact that Robert Downey
Junior is playing Doctor Doom, already miffed about that. The
whole multiverse thing well documented my annoyance with that. Yeah,
so yeah it does, because you know how so not
only does do we not have a script for the
very next movie coming out, but then they're doing that thing.

(12:58):
We're like, oh and Avengers Secret War and it's okay, Wow,
we really are just going by the seat of our
pants here, which when it works, I'm not saying it's
not gonna work. I'm not saying they're not gonna be
able to piece something together that massively entertains me. I
just think there's more, there's a larger margin for air
when you're coming off the script like that, we're gonna

(13:20):
hear about reshoots. So yeah, I'm really not quite sure
how you have a saga, but you do it this way.
Did they get lucky with the endgame stuff that happened
to work? Although they got a little murky with the
time travel stuff. But I feel for the most part,
everybody's pretty happy with the way that saga ended. So

(13:41):
it makes me nervous, it does.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, And it's funny because that was something that James
Gunn said. He threw a little shade at Marble where
he did say they have a history of starting a
filming a movie before they have a finished script, and
he didn't want to go that way in the DCU
that no movie, they won't begin filming any movie until
they have a finished script. I am going to say

(14:05):
something about that when we get to the review. But yeah,
it's yeah, it's making me nervous because it's just like
for the fact that, like you said, a lot of
people our former co host jd excluded weren't really happy
when they announced RDJ playing because it's no he's Iron Man,
so this is a stunt casting. Why are they doing this?
So you hope? Oh, they showed him an amazing script

(14:29):
and that's why he was like, Okay, I'll come back
and do this, but that's not it. They just backed
the Binks truck up to his Yeah, two Brinks truck
up to his house, and he went, oh, okay, yeah,
I'm back. I'll wear another guy and I'll play another
guy in an iron suit. Sure why not?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (14:44):
And speaking of that, so, Robert Downey Junior over the
weekend posted a little video on his Instagram talking about
a playlist he was listening to while he was reading
some stuff prepping for his movie that he's currently filming.
Obviously we know that's Doomsday. And the two comics that

(15:06):
were shown first was the original Secret Wars from What
Is It? What is it? Eighty eighty? Was it eighty five?
I don't think it was that late in the early eighties.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
I actually think it's eighty one.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, I think so, Secret Wars Number one by Jim
Shooter and Iron Man Legacy of Doom by Bob Layton,
which is a two thousand and eight book, and in
Legacy of Doom, Doom and iron Man have to team
up to save the world, and at the end of
the story, Doom portrays iron Man.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
To Mephisto, sure, and.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
So that he could get some kind of like new power.
So they're the two books he was reading preparing for
the role, which has now led to a lot of
speculation that we're going to have Doom and iron Man
teamed up in this movie. And is he going to
play a dual role? Is he going to play both
iron Man and or is there is something about the

(16:02):
duality of the characters that he has to read about.
I don't I'm so confused, And I would hate that.
I would so hate that to see him play both
Tony Stark and Victor von Doom as two separate characters
teamed up together in some kind of battle and Doom
portrays him and then that's what leads to Doomsday, because

(16:22):
I feel like that's what they would do, like.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
The Nutty Professor, remember that movie. The Nunty Professor wants
start casting a method back there and Eddie Murphy used
to always play eight or nine characters in a movie. Yeah,
that's not gonna work here.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Such a bad idea. I hope that's not the other
the other option could be because this has been rumors
for a long time because originally this is what who
people thought were gonna play. It was gonna play iron Man.
You bring Tom Cruise in to be an iron Man
from another universe that this Robert the Robert Down and
June Doom is from, and then that's who he portrays.

(17:00):
All right, fine, I'll let that slide, but don't have
him play both roles because that would just that would
break me.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Honestly, it would break it. I mean, I don't know, man,
they might get wacky where that we might even see
Chris Evans Captain America Verse, Captain Hydra.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Point, so everyone just playing evil versions of themselves fighting themselves.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah, it is lame.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Oh god, I don't know. This might be the last
good MCU movie.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Let's see until But yeah, you just think.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Just because it's X Men, it's going to be great.
That's not necessarily true.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
You're right, you're right, because the third Fox x Men
movie would prove your point. Yeah, but I'm hopeful, absolutely hopeful.
I'm hopeful that the success of the Deadpool franchise has
taught them the right lesson.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, I hope so too. And I also don't think
I don't feel like that was a movie that was
filmed without a script Deadpool Wolverine, Like I think that.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
No, if it is, bravo for bringing that together.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
But yeah, all right, let's talk about what we came
here to talk about. That, of course, is Superman the movie.
Oh no, Fantastic Four first steps. Yeah, latest, the latest
release in the MCU, the first MCU movie to bring
in the Fantastic Four with Pedro, Pascal and everyone else

(18:27):
and everyone else. Yeah, that's another way to say it.
So let's do what we always do and talk about
the numbers before we get into it too much. So
as of oh yeah, as of this recording, let's talk
to box office first, where it is that here it is.
They are at one hundred and eighteen million domestically, one
hundred million internationally, so two hundred and eighteen million, which

(18:49):
is weird. It's an even number worldwide for Fantastic Four
opening weekends. So that's that's really good. That's one of
the biggest mc YOU opening in a long time. Does
that mean they're gonna make their money? Back probably, but
we'll see, because let's wonder what the fans think. Let's
look on Rotten Tomatoes right as we're doing this, it

(19:12):
has an eighty We did not mention this in the
last episode, but it's holding strong eighty seven percent on
the Tomato Meter out of three hundred and eleven reviews,
but ten thousand plus verified views has it at ninety
three percent. For the Popcorner Meter or the audience score,
looks like the majority of the people are enjoying it.

(19:32):
We of course ran our scientifically proven polls over on
both YouTube and on x and or fs what did
you think of the Fantastic four and the four options?
As usual? Best of the MCU, it was good, not
the best. It was mid. I didn't care for it.
So over on Twitter it was mid, came in at

(19:54):
seven point four percent. I didn't care for it, got
twenty two point two percent, it was good, not the best,
got twenty nine point six and best of the MCU
on Twitter forty point seven percent. Wow, I was shocked
by that. But if we go and look at our
pull on YouTube, so the Twitter one is done, the

(20:15):
YouTube one is still live, so you could go and
answer it still if you want the it's comparable where
it was mid is the lowest, but the second lowest
at ten percent is the best of the MCU. Then
I didn't care for it. Got thirty percent and fifty
percent got it was good but not the best part
of me, not the best. So people like it. Some

(20:36):
people think it's the best movie. Some people think it was.
Okayron says in the lobby for Fantastic four right now
for six o'clock showing, Okay, have a good show and
see you Wednesday. Oh, must be a West Coaster because yeah,
it'd be six o'clock there as we're doing this. You
left Coaster. Enjoy Thron. Let us know what you thought afterwards.

(20:59):
So that being said, I'll ask you, first sir, coming
out of the movie, what did you think? What are
your what are your initial thoughts of Fantastic four?

Speaker 2 (21:08):
First steps? I thought it was a really good comic
book movie. I thought it was a great Fantastic four movie.
If I wanted a pre spoilers score, I would say
eight point five, maybe eight point seventy five. I definitely
have my critiques, plot contrivances and whatnot, and some nitpicks,

(21:28):
but ultimately I really enjoyed it and liked what they
did absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Okay, okay, I it's funny. I'm gonna say what. Of course,
I went with my girlfriend and her oldest again, and
of course she asked me as soon as we stepped
out of the theater, what did you think? And I'm gonna
tell you what I said. This was my initial reaction.
I said it was good. I liked it, but I
liked Superman better. And it's funny because she's like, yeah,

(21:55):
but that's like Apples and Oranges, one's Marvel, one's DC,
totally different movies, Bob Blon. I'm like, yeah, but and
I think this is an important caveat We as human beings,
have a tendency to compare something we saw to what
we just saw, especially if it's in the same genre
of comic book movie. And it's funny because I kept
thinking about that too, like why is it that I

(22:19):
liked Superman better than I liked Fantastic Four? Fantastic Four
is a fine comic book movie. I don't some people
didn't like Paedro Pascal. I thought he was fine in
the movie. There was no like looking at him, and
I could only see Pedro Pascal, like I thought he
did a fine job at lead Richard's The ego was
definitely there, and the and whatnot, So it wasn't anything

(22:41):
like that bothered me. But I think I realized today
and we'll get into this more. It suffers from the
same thing that all the MCU movies do and Superman
didn't suffer from both, Like Superman set up the DCU
without feeling like it's setting up the next movie. It
was a Superman story through and it had a beginning, middle,

(23:03):
and end, and you could never make another DCU movie
and be satisfied with it. Fantastic Four feels like here
we go, we're setting up for doomsday. We're putting pieces
in place to get us to doomsday. And I'm like, yeah,
I And it's funny because JD mentioned he on on Facebook.
He said that he saw the show movie and said

(23:23):
the same thing, like they preferred Superman and that's that
was like I thought about it, Like that was my reply,
and he's like, I don't know about that. But he
also did say that because he said he didn't really
feel that with the Fantastic Four. He thought it was
a good movie, but but he also said that his
son was bored with it with Fantastic Four, like he
was shocked how much Andy didn't like Fantastic Four but

(23:44):
loved Superman. And I'm like, there you go. That's your
target audience. If the kids don't dig it, then you
are in trouble. I think, like, you can appeal to
all of us middle aged nerds as much as you want,
but if you're not hooking the kids at this point, yeah,
it might be a hard sell down the road. So
I don't know. Again, Like I said, it's not a

(24:04):
terrible movie. It's and I did like it, but there
are things about it that are bothering me. We'll get
into that. So that was our initial thoughts. If you
haven't seen the movie yet and you don't want spoilers,
this is where you can cut out. Otherwise, here we go.
So the movie starts off basically with basically, it starts
off with the montage of them kind of showing the origin, right, like, yep,

(24:25):
they do the fake TV show there it's supposed to
be looks like the guy looks like he's supposed to
be a version of Walt Disney, basically posting some kind
of talk show and they're gonna have the Fantastic Four
on it, and he's talking about their origin and they
show in video clips them going on the space mission,
which I appreciate. And I did see an article pointing
out like if one thing Superman and the Fantastic Four

(24:48):
approved is people are tired of origin stories, and I
do think that's true, Like we don't need to see
them flying to the rocket get hit with the radiation
and whatnot, Like they are the Fantastic Four when the
movie starts, which is how the comics start basically the
comic starts out the first Fantastic for comic, they are
the Fantastic Four already, Yeah, and then there's a flashback

(25:09):
to how they got their powers, but it's not the
real focus of that story. And that's one of the
things that what you call it, Stanley wanted to do
when he wrote The Fantastic He didn't want to do
the typical start off with their origin stories. That he
wanted them to be an established team already. So I like,
I appreciate that aspect of it too, Like they stayed
true to the comics in a way with that. So

(25:32):
what did you think, did you miss the origin story
or that they just skipped over it.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
No, I like the way they did it because everybody
already knows it and it's not exactly a detailed origin anyway,
they went up to space, they got hit by a
cosmic rays, and they got powers. Yeah, and I like that.
I like that simplicity. Like I personally thought this was
very well acted by the way, particularly by Pedro Pascal.

(25:58):
He really made me believe that he was read Richards,
that he was tortured, that he didn't see the cosmic
radiation coming, he didn't calculate for that, and now because
of that, they've all got powers. Ben Grimm is now
a rock monster and they even talk about and I
hope I'm not skipping a head too far here, but

(26:20):
obviously they tried to get pregnant and it didn't happen,
and he was just blaming that all on himself. I
really I yeah, so I'm with you. I didn't need
the origin story. I much more enjoyed their reaction to it.
And in the ground running, like.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
That's where the movie settles in. Is like he's in
the bathroom trying to find something, and she's he's in
the bedroom Iodide and he's in the bedroom trying to
find the iodine and she's in the bathroom and saying,
just wait so many seconds, and he's that's really specific
because she had taken a pregnancy test. Yeah, and it
starts out with them she's pregnant with Franklin Richards Tom mcguffin,

(27:00):
but I.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Digress is in the comics, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
And then so yeah, so that to find out they're pregnant,
they're having Sunday dinner. Again, there's a definite theme throughout
the whole movie of family. They wanted to hammer that home,
and they may have hammered it home a little too much.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Really, I don't know. I liked it. I love the
dynamic between all the four characters. Yeah, by the way,
speaking of the spaceship, I don't want to gloss over
this before I move on to that. My favorite part
about that the fact that they named it Excelsior, which
is a great nod to Stanley Lee. I was really
happy to hear them do that. But yeah, no, I
like like Ben Grimm the thing. He's in the movie

(27:41):
a lot, but he's really not like Clobber and time things.
His role really is different, and I enjoyed.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
It I'm gonna say that, like this movie, of all
the Fantastic Four movies that have come before it, this
one humanized all four characters, like I felt that they
were real pull with powers. I felt like, because he's
the thing, right, Johnny and Ben have that like brotherly

(28:08):
sibling rivalry relationship like they do in the comics. But
when they did it with they didn't have it at all,
and fan forced it.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
No.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
But when they did it in the two thousand and
five movies with Jessica Alba and Chris Evans, they made
it where he was it was more of a prankster
Johnny Storm, and it was more of a contentious mean
relationship between the two.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Of them, right, And all the subtle ways they improve
upon that, right, and all the subtle ways that they
show you they're like brothers. Like when the thing is
critiquing Robbie, the robots saws yes, and he dips his
fingers in there. Ah haha, Johnny Storm dips his fingers
in there, and he's wash your hands, dude, Say a minute,
you just put your rock fingers in there, Okay. But then,

(28:52):
like you said, with the other Johnny Storm, he was like, oh,
he was the prankster, he was the hot shot. He
was well, no, in this movie, they actually show you
you that Johnny Storm as smart as hell. Yes, And
I enjoyed that. I really did. I really enjoyed the
characterizations of Sue's Storm, everybody, the whole Fantastic Four, Robbie

(29:12):
the Robot was great, which I yeah, that's where I mean.
I think they did the family aspect perfect.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
I really do know what I'm saying, Like their relationship
and all was perfect, and it made you feel like, yeah,
lived in characters with the relationships that are that were
like family. But it was the Okay, okay, So major
spoiler will skip ahead. Obviously, the Silver Surface shows up.
She says, your planet is marked for death. She heralds

(29:40):
Galactus and then she goes to fly off. Johnny chases
after her, basically catches up with her in the atmosphere
and she says something kicks them off the board, and
then like it's funny because like it quickly evolves to
them deciding to get back in the rocket and go
meet Galactus where he is, And this was like funny

(30:00):
because this isn't a spoiler. It was in the last trailer.
So Sue is pregnant at this point, like full on
belly pregnant, nearing time for the baby to come kind
of thing. And they go into space and they meet
up with Galactus and they have a conversation with him,
which actually was a pretty cool scene. I'm gonna say
that seeing Galactus like sitting there kind of like he's

(30:21):
sitting on a throne and talking with them like that
felt like that was straight out of a comic book.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Absolutely, But of course he wants the baby.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
He wants Franklin Richards, and if you are familiar with
the comics, you know exactly why he wants. And he
even he says that child will end my suffering, and
they say no, they leave, and then when they get
back to Earth, and this was probably my first scene
where I was like, ooh, I don't know. They get
back to Earth and they say they went to negotiate
with Galactus. They didn't defeat him, and he said there

(30:52):
was something he would take to spare the earth, but
if the price was too high, and there were and
the press is what is it? And they said, our child.
So now like the whole world gets mad at them
and as oh my god, you're being selfish You're not
giving up your child to save the earth. So I'm
explaining all of this quickly because it gets to a
scene where there's a bunch of protesters in front of

(31:15):
the Fantastic Horse Tower, the Baxter Building. Yeah, and Sue
comes out with the now and the baby is born
when they're running away from the Silver Surfer after they
leave Galactus. That's the weird scene. We'll get into that
in a second. But it's a good scene, but a
weird scene, I'll say that. But then they get comes
out to talk to the protester and gives this speech

(31:38):
about family, about her and Johnny losing their mother when
they were young and family was so important, and she
was like, not only when won't I give up Franklin
to save you? I want to give up you to
save Franklin because you're all part of my family, blah
blah blah. And it's like, all right, it's sweet, But
I felt like that was hammering it a little too

(31:58):
hard home like the family aspect. Oh okay, that's what
I was meant. I had to explain all that to
get to that scene. I felt like that seem was
a little heavy handed, not terrible, but it felt, Yeah,
it was a little heavy to go that far. But
but I'm gonna say this. Here's one of my issues
with one of my first issues with the movie, and
not necessarily the movie itself, but Read Richards's character in

(32:21):
the movie is why on earth, if you're the smartest
man in the universe, why on earth are you going
to tell the people, Oh, yeah, they went at our baby,
So now I'm just gonna let glact just come here
and kill you. Wait what, Okay, get it? And I
get it. For the movie, it creates drama, But if
he's supposed to be the most intelligent man, he would

(32:42):
know not to say that to everyone.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
I guess I'd give him a pass in that scene
because they really did just get off the spaceship and
then they were ushered in front of the podium, So
I guess I could believe that, yes, he's smart, but
in that moment, he's really probably flustered and just probably
not thinking his best. My problem with that whole thing

(33:06):
Galactus wanting Franklin they're not going to give him up
is if I was Read and I was the smartest guy,
I would and I know this is evolving my kids,
So this is a crazy thing to think as a father.
But what I would think is, Okay, we've got this
big guy in space with his bucket helmet, and I
just witnessed him fuck up another planet, so he's not

(33:29):
fucking around. We know he can do this, and he
just told us that he wants our son so that
he can stop. Okay, other than damning your child to
a lifetime which apparently will be millions of years of hunger,
what exactly is the downside of having your son being

(33:49):
the new Galactus?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Hey, an excellent question.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Okay, I digress, though I get it that's not really
gonna be an easy decision for a father or mother
to make, so I that's just a question I had though.
It was like, why did they not at least I know,
Red mentions a little bit and Sue gets mad at him,
which I totally get where he's kind of at least
this is an actionable.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Plan, it's mathematical and ethical.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
So I feel he I don't know that that should
have been maybe at least something say, hey, maybe having
our baby be a space god not the worst thing
for us of the Earth. But I digress. So I
feel that the overhandedness they had with the family aspect
that you're talking about. Was I guess really to drive
home that they're not going to separate themselves from their child. Yeah,

(34:36):
because this is how important family now.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
And I agree, And again it's done to drive the plot,
which I don't have Obviously I can look past it
for that, but it just that seems felt a little
heavy handed. And Okay, I'm trying to think because I
don't want to go over every detail the movie. But
let's let's then talk about So they go and they
talk to him again. The scene I felt when they
talked to Galactic is great. Then they're flying home and

(35:01):
of course Galack descends the Silver Surfer after them to
catch them, and they have a faster than light engine,
which is funny. I love that they just called it FTL,
Like they didn't say faster than light, they just caught
it the FTL, And I'm like, like, I figured out
what the acronym was right away, but they didn't explain
that to you. And I like that because it makes
it feel it makes it feel more real, like they should.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Be over your head a little bit, because yeah, they
are very capable, which I'm completely four because of fantastic
four are capable. I love that scene them escaping from
Silver Surfer, them working together to get out of that
because you take all their screwed. They got a black hole,
their ship is getting fucked up. They find a way
out of it, which.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
I right, And that scene shows each one of them
is capable and yet they're stronger because when they work
together in a situation like that's what makes that scene
so good. Right, Like the ship is damaged, the and
they're trying to they're in a they're in a wormhole.
They do say the word wormhole, and they're trying to
shoot the Silver Surfer, but they tried to shoot and

(36:07):
the bullet the laser cannon won't go straight because they're
in a wormhole. But Johnny's able to figure out how
to hit her and it just knocks her out of
the wormhole for a second, but then she's able to
get back in and catch them, catch up to them,
so then they have to figure out what to do.
And then they realize, oh, there's a black hole nearby,
so reads will trick her into the black hole and

(36:30):
then she'll be stuck there at least for months. Whats
which which let's add the caveat that. While all of
this is going on, Sue's giving birth to Franklin, like
in space, so there's no gravity to push against, and
like she she's like telling Reid stay with me because
I'm about to have your son, and he's trying to

(36:51):
figure out how do I save all of us. It's
a crazy scene, really, but it was well done. Like
I said, it shows them working together, so do trap
the server surfer in the black hole and then slingshot
around the black hole because the engines, the faster than
light engine gets destroyed, but by slingshotting around the black
hole they were able to get home in a reasonable

(37:12):
amount of time. Ruptions. Yeah, like I said, that was
just a really I thought that was a really well
done It's that whole.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
It was packed with drama and excitement and was very
fantastic forward to me for sure.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
So now let's get to the mcguffin of the movie.
The first mcguffin is, while all this is going on,
Reid also happened to figure out teleportation. Yes, and his
brilliant plan and I used to work brilliant loosely. His
brilliant plan is we'll just teleport the Earth to a
different galaxy that's within the Liverpool zone from the Sun

(37:50):
and Glactas won't be able to find us for a
million years.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah. I think Reid makes a lot of assumptions and
it was ad.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
And it and first off, that is typical read Richard
right from the comics. People need to understand. Yeah, the
idea of moving the Earth is okay to him because
it gets me to my end goal. Not wait, what
is the total impact of moving the Earth to another galaxy?
Is it gonna be inhabitable? Is it gonna have issues?
We're not gonna have a moon, right, so are we

(38:21):
not gonna have tides? There's a whole bunch that you
can't just move the Earth, but he doesn't care. That's
his plan and he's read Richards, so it's the only
plan really, and.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
The whole world goes along with it. Yes, like I
get it, Read Richards's the smartest. But there's got to
be some other people on the Earth that they're like,
that's gonna work.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
The Earth bands together to do this and they are
able to get these towers things built in different locations
that allow them to super quick. That's gonna allow them
to tell port to Earth I'll let you know that
just that is one of the things about this movie
I like too write most movies, when you think of
about it, it's a story that takes place over a

(39:01):
few days at ghost this movie takes place over a
year at least it feels like by the time you
find because the movie starts with them finding out she's pregnant,
she gives birth, and then they do say it's a month.
It's at least a month from them getting home after
they sling shot around that black hole, or they were
gone for a month in total, something like that, and

(39:23):
then they had to build these towers. You assume maybe
that took at least a month or so. So, yeah,
you're looking at a good year for this whole entire story,
which I thought was like, I like that idea. But
of course, best laid plans they start, they turned that,
they start and turn the machine on to teleport the
earth just as and I'm sure this is one of
your issues that contrived movie timing. The silver Surface shows

(39:46):
up and starts destroying those towers. Yeah, and stops them.
And I did think, because the first plan isn't gonna work,
That's how these movies always work. But it's still it's
just like, why did we go through all of that?
And then so then it's on, oh my god, we're done.
What are we gonna do? What are you doing? They're
thinking about it, thinking about it. That's when we have
the conversation about is that when we have the conversation
about maybe giving up Franklin. I can't remember who was

(40:08):
before that?

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, I think it is. I think it's where he's
starting to stress out. Yeah, because and then they come
up with the plan that work.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
But the funny thing is they come up with the
plan where like, originally I'm like, why don't they just
do that instead of teleporting the Earth to another galaxy?
Just teleport Galactus far away.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
So I understand why they didn't think that, because this
is actually gonna bring us to one of my complaints. Okay,
So I feel that it is just somewhat of a
plot contrivance, and that is so right. They have one
teleporter left. Oh look it's the one in New York.
Of course, fancy that. And so their plan is, Okay,
he wants Franklin. We're gonna put Franklin in this teleporter

(40:51):
area and we're gonna bait Galactus, come get Franklin. But
during all the commotion, we're gonna switch them, and then
we're gonna tell them more. Glacus away and he won't
find us for a million years.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
The smartest man in the universe attempted a bait and
switch on a god.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
On a god.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yes, God, so go ahead.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
But that's my problem. Why does Galactus ever have to
leave his ship? Because that's exactly what he does. He
drives his ship up to Earth, he gets out of it,
falls in the water. By the way, I thought that
was funny. I don't even know why they did that,
but it was funny. He like getsid he kind of
like stumbles in the water. But whatever. Then he gets
somebody's walking to New York and he sees Franklin. Now, thankfully,

(41:35):
now I don't worry. My complaint is, why is he
even getting out of his ship? Why did he just
not send the silver Surfer, go get Franklin and be
done with it. Okay, whatever, he doesn't. I just I
don't get that, But I get past it.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Okay, I might have an explanation, all right, right before that,
So we talked about Johnny Smart in this movie, right,
he figures out the Silver surfers language yes, and confronts
her with all of these messages and talks about like
you you sacrificed yourself to save your world, to be
the herald of Galactus. Yet but you're responsible for killing

(42:12):
all these other worlds, for finding these other worlds for him.
So she gets upset and leave. So maybe he had
to get out of a ship because she don't know
where she went because she went away, which it isn't
true in the comics, like he has total control basically
over the Silver Serf and Server Server can't just go
where they please because whether you're talking about the male

(42:33):
or the female version. But yeah, I feel like that
was the thing, like she didn't know where she was
because that does tie in at the end of the fight.
So that's why he had to get out of a ship.
Which it's funny because that is one of the things
too that's very different from the comics. Glactus doesn't need
no ship, Like he's a giant being that floats through
space and he can shrink down to go down to

(42:55):
the Earth where they just made him one size, just
a giant ying in a spaceship. So when he got
out of his ship, so he wasn't bigger than the
Earth and just consumed it like he does in the comics. Yeah,
and I'm wondering if they were afraid like that was too.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Much I've even seen in the comics for a machine. Yeah,
to actually do it, I think that's a little bit
better of a vision. But I will say he does
not fall for it. He stops himself.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Well, and that's yeah, because Karen. That was one of
the things Karen pointed out, and I was like, yeah,
you're a hundred percent right. He tried to read is
trying to do a bait and switch on Galactis. And
not only that, there's a red line around the really yeah, yeah,
that felt yeah, And.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
That's going to butt up to my next complaint, which
is it's read Richards versus Galactis. Richards just climbing up
his back, he's got that thing whatever, and then Galactus
gets a hold of him and starts to pull him apart.
His clothes are ripping, He's in pain.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
And during the scene, I'm like, you're mister fantastic, dude.
You shouldn't trying to rip up mister fantastic is like
trying to set the human torture on fire or throwing
rocks at the thing. It's not gonna work. They're gonna
do anything. But okay, so my next door neighbor, he's
a resident. He's a fantastic four a stand which he
loved this movie, by the way, so that I like that,

(44:20):
but presented that too, and he said, what the fantastic
for their powers fluctual? The original in the sixties and seventies,
read Richards didn't have this crazy amount of control that
he has in the more modern commons. Yes, and I
understand that, but and I don't know if this is
a complaint. This is just more of an interest point
to me. Sue's Storm is able to push Galactis with

(44:44):
her power, meaning if there really is so to his point,
if there's a power scale issue, if she's strong enough
to push Galactus around with her light, then I gotta
believe that this read Richard is strong enough to be
stretched by Glack.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yeah, but I will also say this, First off, she
stretched herself too much doing that, which we'll get to
that in a second. And second it's a mother seeing
her child being taken.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
There's the whole adrenaline thing takes over and you push
yourself further than you ever could before. And we don't
have superpowers, but you would assume that makes your superpowers
stronger as it would make when you hear stories of
women lifting cars off of their kids because it dropped
underneath because of the adrenaline. I didn't. I That's how
I looked at that scene, like she was pushing herself

(45:35):
to save her son. My issue with it was the
whole concept of the bait and switch, and the whole
line is drawn in the cement and it's just like, really,
you couldn't think because here's the thing. I'm gonna say
this too. When they switched him so early, right, yeah,
like Glactus just was a couple blocks in from the

(45:55):
harbor in New York and Johnny blinds him for a
second with fire and that's when they switch. But so okay,
that's when they do the switch. But there was all
this time in the world, so I thought, oh, that's
actually the trick. They don't need him to go in
the center there. They turned the tower into the transporter,
so he's gonna grab the tower and that's what's going
to transport him. No, No, because that's what you expect

(46:18):
the smartest man in the universe to do, be smart
enough to go, Yeah, I can see Galactus figuring this out,
because here's a being I don't know anything about when
I took the samples and studied him, like, I can't
figure out what this guy actually is, and he was
able to see things about my kid that I can't see.
So he's obviously possibly as smart as me, if not smarter.

(46:42):
So he's not gonna fall for me sweat, so I'll
think I'll make I'll let him think, oh he figured
it out and then grabbed the tower and that's no.
But again, it's a plot contrivance so that they can
have a bigger fight. You can feel like Galactus is
about to take Franklin. And then they turned the transporter
on and she uses her powers and pushes them in

(47:03):
and pushes them in. Reid is able to grab the baby,
which I don't know why. I read didn't die from
falling from that height. They saved the baby. She pushes
him into the transporter. He disappeared. He disappears in the transporter,
and then last second starts clawing his way back out,
and Johnny's about to sacrifice himself to save the world.

(47:25):
But then the Silver Surfer comes and she's the one
that actually pushes him into the transporter, and then he
disappears and Sue died. So this comes to my again,
I don't have an issue with the scene in the
fact of what they did. I have an issue with
this fact that it went on for way too long
when you knew exactly where that scene was going. So

(47:48):
Sue dies, So she falls over and the rest of
them are around her and Reads given her CPPR for
an extremely long amount of time, Like I'm sitting I
actually looked at my watch. I'm like, this feels like
it's going on forever. And then he's oh, she's gone,
and they're all crying, and that's going on forever. And

(48:10):
then the baby starts crying and reaching out for mommy,
so Read takes them and puts them on the chest,
and we all know what's coming next. And you don't
even have to be a fan of the comic to know,
because Galactus said that this is kid has the power cosmic,
So what does he do? He brings Mommy back to life.
But it was felt like a good It felt like

(48:30):
a good ten minutes. I know, it wasn't that long,
but it felt like a good ten minutes from the
moment he started the CPR to Franklin bringing her back
to life.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, it was like the Deadpool scene at the end
of Deadpool two for ten minutes he's dying. Yes, so
it's just so hard to let go. So yeah, that
that was funny. But I did like it. My kids
didn't expect the baby who really eight and ten? Okay, okay,
I've never read a comic fantastic poor comic in their life. Yeah, yeah,

(49:00):
you're right.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Was a very long sea, a very long scene for
what you knew. What the payoff was that the baby
was just gonna touch her and then bring her back
to life. It was funny too, because the baby's crying
and then he stops and then all of a sudden,
her hand move and it's wait, her hand move, what's
going on? And granted, maybe they made it that long
so that you could sit there and go, oh, no,

(49:21):
she was dead. It wasn't like they thought she was dead.
She was dead dead. So yeah, they saved New York.
And then they're back on that show again, or they're
supposed to be on the show again, and then they're
sitting there and that was something that we saw in
one of the trailers. All their watches go off and
say alert and they run out. And I did think
it was cute. The scene at the end where they're
trying to get the baby seat into the Fantastic car

(49:44):
so they can go run off and save the day.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
I've been there, man.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
You got to run it through. I did running through,
and you gotta make sure it's click. It is click.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yeah, And that's one of those scenes where.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
It's like Spaceship Pilot and two scientists can't figure out
how to put a goddamn car seated, and that's super realistic.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Yes, yeah, I'm trying to think because anything like that
stood out in the movie that we haven't talked about.
That was like one of your something that you loved
about the movie.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
You do love because when we did our hype train video,
you know, you talked about oddn what do you want
to see? And the two things that we talked about
there is I said I wanted to see this great
dynamic between the characters. I got it, and then we
wanted to see some classic Fantastic Four villains. Yeah, and
we got that. In fact, the mole Man was actually

(50:33):
quite entertaining.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yes, ended up being a bigger role than I thought
it was going to be. Yeah. Absolutely, It recreated the
first cover scene with the that creature coming out of
the ground and the four of them fighting it. Yeah,
that was cool.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Yeah. The only thing that stood out to me, I
know in this is in the beginning of the show.
So I'll remind everyone Dave one of his critiques, I
don't know have critique. That might be a strong word,
but one of the things you said about this movie
was you felt it was setting up the next movie.
I really didn't. I felt this was a very much
standalone movie. Now, don't get me wrong. Thunderbolts made you think, Okay,

(51:10):
we saw so knowing that we've seen the Fantastic four
Excelsior Rocket in the Marvel six one six via the
Thunderbolts movie. Your point there. And then the mid credit scene,
which I don't know if you want to talk about yet,
but go ahead, Okay. The mid credit scene is Sue
walks in on obviously doctor Doom mask off. You see

(51:31):
the mask is off, but you don't see his face
because they.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Were going to pay Robert Denna Junior.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
There, But then Franklin is touching his feet, right, yes,
and it's four years later.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Was four years three years possibly, which.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
But Franklin as a toddler now he's not a ba.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
So outside of those two elements, which to me aren't
actually in the movie, it's a mid credit scene and
another movie, I felt this was very standalone. Don't get
me wrong. I do have a theory that they sent
Galactus to another universe. I think they sent Galactus to
the six one six, and that's why they're going to
have to chase him, and that's why we see him.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
I feel like the teleporter is what's going to allow
them to go to another universe. They mentioned multiverse in
the movie, right, Yes, they went to you to make
sure the multiverse exists.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
It was proven that it exists.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Yet he proved that it exists and he built a teleporter.
So yes, I do think that is going to play
a part in it. And I think Franklin is going
to become the central character for Doomsday in Secret War.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
I think Franklin is going to take molecular Man's role, yeah, absolutely,
or molecular Man and beyonder. He's going to be the
catalyst for it. And then the last thing. I guess
we'll mention other than I just said. Despite any of
the criticisms I've said here tonight, I really enjoyed the movie.
Thought it was very good. The end credit scene is
so unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
I yeah, and that's the thing I heard. There were
two scenes, so I waited for it, and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Saying here, I did not need to see that. I
could have saw that on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
I'm shocked at didn't flip them. I'm shocked it in
had a little cartoon intro at the mid credit scene
we showed and Weight left doctor doom at the end.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah, absolutely, but it was good man. I hate to
do the Superman Verse Fantastic Four thing, but it is
DC versus Marble, and I did enjoy Superman War. And
if some says why because I like Fantastic Four, but
it didn't make me cry. It is it did not
have as much emotional weight for me. But Superman came
in with a good right cross, Marvel got back up,

(53:36):
gave a good jab. Still seems a little bit of woozy,
But as far as DC Verse Marble here since then,
they came out in the same month. What else are
we gonna do? DC came on top of a little bit. Man.
I mean, Fantastic four not bad. I am excited about
Phase six, but I feel DC still has a shot here,
particularly with our revelation earlier that they don't even have
the next fucking movie written yet.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah, and that's funny because we mentioned at the beginning
we didn't get into it, like you had said that
there's people complaining about this movie online.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Oh yeah, Temple your guy, right, you like him? Right?

Speaker 1 (54:08):
I Forgetah, I didn't watch his I The thing was,
I watched the first couple minutes of his quote unquote
review talking about it, and then I realized, this guy's
never read a Fantastic Four comic in his life. So
all right, I can't do that because there are people
who are gonna go down that road of oh it's woke,

(54:29):
and it's no, it wasn't. There's one female lead and
four male lead and like it is so like a
team movie. Sue's not a mcguffin in the movie.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
There's no ultimate nullifier, right.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Yeah, there's no ultimate nolifiers. She's not. She uses her
power to push Galactus into the thing. But it's Reid's plan,
it's Johnny and all of them working together. There's no Oh,
they couldn't have done this without the woman feeling that
movie at all. And in fact, if it wasn't for
the and there wouldn't be a Franklin and it maybe
a completely different movie anyway. Yeah, but I've saw people

(55:05):
just complaining about it where I feel like they didn't
see it. They're basing it on the trailers and they
were just like, Oh, they gave everything away and I'll
just wait till the till it comes out. Nah, I
don't think they gave everything away. I saw people complain
there wasn't enough Galactus, what like, what more did you
want from Galack? There was a scene what they confronted

(55:26):
him and had a conversation with him, and then he
came down on the planet and they fought him. You're
not gonna have multiple fights with Galactus. You're not gonna
like Yeah, I felt like that was a weird complaint
I saw from a couple of people. Oh, they tease
us the Galactus and barely gave him to us. Eh.
And another critique I saw, and this goes back to
something that we said talking about the movie before it

(55:47):
came out, is there wasn't enough of Reid using his powers,
And I was like, we got the scene with him
chasing the monkey up the ladder, we got him in
the final fight using it, and there was a couple
of scenes where he's like, all the chalkboard, that's what
you expect him to stretch his arm. And I've said
this before, it's really hard in live action to make

(56:07):
these powers look cool. They've attempted it multiple times in
multiple movies, and it's really hard to make it visually
look cool. And I feel like it was done on purpose,
like they just used him enough, just use his powers
enough so you know what his powers are and you
can see it without going overboard. And because the thing

(56:28):
is too like if they do a scene with him
wrapping someone up, like it's something he does in the
comics a lot, all right, then they do it again
and again, it's gonna become Oh, that's just a trope
now and it's gonna look stupid. Wait till it's an
important scene where he wraps someone up. But don't do
it all the time. So yeah, like that was a
critique I've seen of the movie. But yeah, I think
for the most part, most of the people I know

(56:49):
that our comic book people that have seen it have
really liked it. Yeah, yeah, but I agree with you too.
I said at the beginning, it was good. It wasn't
as good as Superman, but it was still good.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
So good.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
All right, let's let's bring this one home. Let's tell
me what are your what's your score? One out of
ten final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
I'm gonna give it an eight point seven five. I
feel the movie was well acted. I felt that it
was very representative of the Fantastic Four comics. I actually
enjoyed the fact that, to me, at least, it felt
like a standalone Leek again, we all know what's coming.
But that aside, I feel if somebody didn't know any

(57:27):
of that and they sat down and watched it, they
would enjoy it as a standalone movie. And I'm excited
for the next phase of Marvel. Even though it involves
a Robert Downy Junior doom in multiverse, I'm still excited
to see how this develops.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
There you go, Okay, you know what. Someone said this
a while ago, and I think this is my issue.
Is the MCU as ruined our ability to just enjoy
a movie in the sense of we know, they're always
putting stuff in that's setting something up in the future.
So it is hard for me to watch a Marvel

(58:00):
movie anymore to go, oh, this is just this. I'm
sitting there going, oh, Franklin Richards is they're setting him up.
They're using this movie just to bring the Fantastic Four
in so that they can be in doomsday. So I'll
give you that. Maybe I need to stop watching them
like that because I didn't feel that way with Superman.
But it was also the first movie in a new universe.
So yeah, that being said, I think not as high

(58:22):
as you. I'm gonna give it an eight point five.
It's a good movie. They don't rehash the Origin, which
I appreciate. It is active and I didn't I was
afraid of patro Pascal was gonna not feel right in
the role, but he was. He did a good job
of playing someone who was so intelligent. He's abstracted by
his own intelligence and comes off unemotional when that's not

(58:43):
really true. It just comes off that way because he's
thinking of every possible scenario. So yeah, eight point five.
If you haven't seen it, go see it. Though we
pretty much ruined the whole thing for you at this point.
And with all that being said, let's ask that question.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
What do we learn on the show to.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
What you learned, don or do you have a recommendation
or both?

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I learned that if you're gonna die in a movie,
don't take too long to do it, or else, Oh yeah,
Dave's not gonna see exactly have and die bastard recommendations
this movie Fantastic four and for some reason you're listening
to the tim pools of the world, or don't go
watch it. You will enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
It's funny too, because, like he he initially said, he
said things like Superman was gonna probably be terrible, and
then he saw it and said he liked it. So
to him come out and say he didn't like Fantastic
for him, I'm shocked. I learned that you can do
the show from a remote location without an issue and
things can go well. And I also learned that, yeah,

(59:49):
I think you and I very much agree on this
movie for the most part, except yes, don't die too
quick long. I would recommend the same. If you haven't
in the movie yet, go see the movie and make
sure you read up on all the comic con news
because we're gonna try to talk about that on Wednesday,
about anything interesting that's come out of Comic Con that

(01:00:10):
wasn't related to this movie. So we shall see. So
that's the plan. We'll see what happens. Hopefully nothing else
happens between then and now. And on that note, as always, boys,
thanks for watching. Don't let you get caught in the door.
See you next time.

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