#639: Is Marvel headed in the wrong direction?

Join the guys as they look at box office numbers, rumors about up coming films, trends in the comics and fans chatter online and ponder if Marvel is screwing up big time. Plus nerd news and so much more, enjoy!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Hello everybody, and welcome to superhero Speak. I am your
host Dave.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
And I'm Dave's friend Don. Hi, Well the evening. Are
you what you know, like a Gilbert god Free not
for Children of the Night?

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yes, exactly what? What?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
What sweet sounds they make? Or what did he actually parody?

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Back then?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
It was the original? Anyway, bella too see or something
like that. Yeah, you're enough the night.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Ah, Yeah, welcome to the show. Boys and girls. We'll
be talking about We're talking about Marvel a lot tonight
and some of the stupid things they've been doing, the
relationship between Peter and MJ and the comics, and some
rumors about decisions on there are movies, and who might
be returning for Doomsday, who might not be and and yeah,

(01:15):
and then we're gonna talk a little. I think we'll
talk a little gal get down on a little Roadblox
and a little Star Wars, a little bit of Star
Wars just for Don because he he loves Quigan.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I most certainly do.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
But other than but I all that being said, how
is everyone doing? How are you done? What is new
with you? We were here Wednesdays, so it's been a
full week since we have actually looked, which I.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Like doing the Wednesday thing, but there is something to
be said of not doing this all week and then
here comes and just the kind of get more charged
up for it.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, I'm feeling good as far as this week goes. Yeah,
birthdays and Cedar Point trips, and had an awesome fishing
trip with my nephew. Doesn't get to fish often, so
it felt good. You're the right way and it makes
me look like some fishing sage my nephew, so that's
always a good thing. Yeah, but good to be talking.
Seems like a bunch of stuff came out of nowhere. Yeah,

(02:11):
glad to be talking about it with you, buddy.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
How about you?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
How's your week?

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Ben? I can't remember it. Oh No, it's one of
those weeks where it's funny everyone is on, everyone talks
about OCD and that kind of stuff. But it's now
we're creatures of habit, Like we get into routines no
matter what they are, and when those routines get disturbed
throws you off. My girlfriend's son who goes away to school,

(02:36):
it was moving day for him today and she had
a lot of stuff to do to get ready to
get him moved up there. So I went over for
the house on Thursday, like I normally do for dinner,
and then we ended up going out Friday night. I
and like, I thought I was going to spend the
night Friday, but then she was like, nah, I got
too much to do. I haven't seen her all weekend.

(02:57):
I just talked to her for twenty minutes before for
the show. I haven't even talked to her all day
because she was busy moving him up and all that stuff.
So it's just I'm like, all I'll discombobulated and I'll live.
It's just one of those those things. But yeah, other
than that, I really haven't done much. I did do.
I did finish a painting last night. That's the thing.
I was up late working on a painting. I haven't

(03:19):
posted it yet on social media, but it's just like
a Halloween kind of themed thing. It's weird right because
it's August, but it.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Is August October. Halloween is starting to get the Christmas treatment. Thought,
oh yeah, pretty early.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Oh I know. And now that I like paint and
I go to places like hobby Lobby and Michaels to
buy supplies, people who craft start doing stuff for the
season early because they're making things for me, right, so
they start now, they're going to make decorations and whatnot.
So yeah, they all those places have all their fall
and Halloween stuff like oh. But then I'm like, it

(03:56):
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
I do love me some hobby lob I really do,
because I like gundoms and they have a section for Gundoms,
which is awesome.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Absolutely, yeah. I've got some Star Wars stuff from there,
which is great. And then they even have sections with
Marvel and DC and comic just pictures and stuff. But
the reason I do not patronize it more is because
every time I'm near or think of a hobby lobby,
it's on a Sunday and they're clothes.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
As a Christian, you should appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Oh okay, Jesus didn't come to give us no retail
on Sundays.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Oh. The other thing, though, I can announce it at
the top of the show here before I forget, we
have we have officially switched to Tea Spring. I'm sorry,
we have officially switched from to to Tea public as
our store. It's up and running. It is in the
description below the new store. It is not linked to

(04:58):
YouTube yet because apparently that takes time. I set it up,
and it's like when you go into Tea Spring, it
just says it's pending, and it says it could take
up to two days for to appear. But it's been
two and a half days now, so we'll see by
tomorrow if it gets updated. So yeah, if you click
on the product links that are in the description on YouTube,

(05:18):
it's going to take it to our old store and
I'm not going to take it down until we're all
completely switched over. So if you want some merch, click
on the clink in the description that'll take you to
Tea Public. And one of the cool things is Tea
Public has tied eye options available that the Tea Spring didn't.
And I actually ordered my girlfriend because she loves tid
ie shirts super or speak tight ie shirt as a test. Also,

(05:42):
I want to see what the quality is like and
how long it takes them to fulfill the order, because
that was our issue with Spring. They were taking like
over a month to fulfill stuff. Marvel's already headed for
London after abandoning Atlanta. Oh, we're talking about the filming locations.
They're Yeah, they're filming and that's a thing that I've
been seeing in some of the trades and whatnot. A

(06:02):
lot of people aren't filming in the United States anymore so.
In fact, they're filming Spider Man over in England somewhere.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Oh, I did not know that.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, it's interesting, but that's not we're complaining about other
things a Marvel tonight, I guess, get.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
That right, I guess. I guess the opposite though that
since like Superman had so much in Cleveland, so I
would not have guessed that would be the case.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, before we get into too deep in our and
everything else, let's do I need to create a tag
for this, and because they're gonna start doing this more often,
but it is time for box office watch and of
course the two movies that we're most interested in, where
do they currently stand in the box office? As of
this stream? Fantastic four First Steps is currently at four

(06:47):
hundred and sixty eight point seven million worldwide. That's great,
two seven domestic, two twenty one point seven Internet. So yeah,
that's the question though, is that enough for it to
be a hit? I keep here different numbers about it.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Who know, right?

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
And that's why I really I want to keep doing
this box office watch because supreme important to people in judging.
Go ahead, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, And also gonna say, and Superman is currently at
five hundred and ninety four point five million, five hundred
and ninety four point five million dollars. That's three forty domestic,
two fifty three international. And I actually know, but this
is what I was gonna say. I actually wrote a
script and was going to record a video and then
got busy on Friday. But I was gonna record it
and post it on Friday. That delves into all of

(07:33):
the stuff with Superman in the box office. Because Casan's
not with us tonight and not currently watching, or at
least he hasn't comment yet. He keeps saying he keeps
throwing all these numbers out Superman has to do this
much to be successful and whatnot. And I told you
that I read somewhere where it said between six and
seven hundred five and seven hundred million dollars to be successful.
James Gun has come out and said the numbers that

(07:55):
people are throwing around are ridiculous because they don't know.
They really don't know what how us all works. Yeah,
and actually, hold on, I've got the I've got it here.
Part of the problem is that the people estimated two
hundred million for promotion, and they actually have come out
and said that it's that's half. It was actually one
hundred million. They only spent on promotion. And then the

(08:18):
other thing is the production budget after tax rebates was
only two hundred and twenty five million, So so yeah,
it was like three hundred and three hundred and fifty
million to break even. So yeah, they're over six hundred
and you're six hundred million. So yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
But all that KPIs are great. There, I'm sorry, it's
analysts speak. I'm sorry spot to do it for a
living anyway, All that's great. But to me, you just
need to pay attention to one other metric. Do they
make another one in those studio right? So they make money?
If they make another one, we know they made money.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
The thing that James Gunn said in the interview that
I was going to I was using as a reference
to the video, and I'm probably still going to do
the video. We'll see, but maybe talking more make it
more about video budgets and movie budgets and profit in general.
He basically points out, like no one's going to start
a new universe, launch a new DC universe, expecting the

(09:13):
first movie he's got to make a billion dollars to
be successful. Yeah, they would never greenlight that. That's ridiculous.
It's a huge gamble. Of course, these numbers are ridiculous,
he said. He said, the most they're going to probably
gamble on is like five hundred million, So I've kind
of a feeling that's probably closer to the number they
actually needed to make to be considered successful. Yeah, like
these everyone's who keeps throwing around these traditional they need

(09:35):
to make this much money, I think needs to stop saying, oh,
I know what I'm talking about, because if you did,
you'd be a exactly. Yeah. But that's it. That's the
box office stuff. This we're gonna we'll keep an eye
on it, though it's gone. Superman's gonna be on digital
shortly with this moon. Yeah, but here's the thing, I
think it is still going to be in the theaters

(09:57):
while it's while it goes to digital, So we shall see.
But on that note, speaking of things that don't make
a lot of sense, here's our good friend Darth down
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(10:36):
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(11:02):
I would just fullse lightning. You don't have that in
the effects budgets. Oh back to the show. Yes, we

(11:23):
need to up to the effects. But so let's let's
talk a little nerd news here and relation Marvel, because
I put this article first because it pissed me off
when I read it.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
You sent me this is on ScreenRant dot com, and
basically this article talks about the gist of the article
is Mary Jane and Spider Man can never get back
together because if they do, Mary Jane cannot be the
potential hero that she was meant to be, the fully
realized hero. Yep Har's Cassan. Hello Cassan. I call complete

(12:00):
and total bullshit on that comment for quite a few reasons.
But before I get into all those reasons, I have
to ask you, Mary Jane and Peter married. Are you
a fan or not a fan? Where do you stand
on the relationship.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
It is a weird one because you root for Peter,
so you want to see him get the girl, so
you want to see him rewarded with being with Mary
Jane getting married. But when that happened, he loses a
little something. He loses that relatability factor as maybe someone
who's younger or struggling romantically whatever. Just to have him

(12:37):
have it all like that, I think does make him
lose a little bit of something. And I'm not deep
into Spider Man lore, so honestly, I don't know a
lot about Mary Jane's personality in the comics, but I
will say from like the First Spider Man trilogy, I
don't like her.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Don't get me wrong, her.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
In the first Kirsen Dunce in the First Spider Man
and the Rain scene all that like great fat material,
especially back then. But as far as like her personalities
in those movies, yeah, you become a Gwynn Stacy, although
she's dead and all.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
So yeah, I don't know. I don't have a good
answer for you. Dave to me, Spider man works better
trying to get the girl. But he is a great character.
Peter Parker's a cool guy, good guy, and you want
to see him rewarded. So it sucks that it's this
entangled at this point, so that I don't know, there
you have, I don't know. It's a very long way

(13:35):
of saying, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Here's the thing. The so the Peter and Mary Jane
getting married, that's the period when I was a heavy
collector in comics when I was younger. But in fact,
actually when I really got into it, they were married, right,
But I to go back and get a bunch of
the issues where with the relationships and relationship and whatnot,
and there was a whole thing in the comics where yeah,

(14:00):
like first off, there was the whole Gwen Stacy versus
Mary Jane, and we talked about on the show before
they were gonna kill one of them off. Stanley apparently
was leaving to go somewhere and said while he was gone,
you guys decide. Whatever you decide was fine with me
to the editors, And of course they killed off Gwen Stacy.
I was famous. And he always said, where Gwen Stacy

(14:21):
was the girl next? Door that you wanted to marry.
He took home to mom and dad, and Mary Jane
was the party girl when HE'SI oh, she kept the
party girl. And it's funny because then that led into
them their their relationship became more serious, and it was
still a pursuit thing with Peter and Mary Jane, where
Peter asks her to marry him several times in the comics, right,

(14:43):
because there's a hole she's not sure she wants to
settle down, or she's not sure she wants to settle
down with someone because she knows his secret identity at
that point, so does want to get it be in
a relationship with someone who's a target from super villains,
and it's a whole big thing, right, And there's a
whole pursuit there, but it's also she holds back because
of her fears of him being a superhero, and but

(15:07):
at the end of the day she says, yes, they
get married, and like it's to me. It's like part
of some of the best runs of Spider Man are
around their relationship because then it becomes a whole new
level of issues he's got to deal with. But he's
also not a kid anymore. He's now and you can
now finally say yeah, he's grown up. And that was
the argument for when they erased the marriage. It was like, oh,

(15:28):
the marriage aged him. We wanted to get him back
to feeling like well and they had to move back
to with move back with aunt may But here's the
problem with that. He still was the same age you
already aged him. Had to change anything else about him.
All they did was erase the marriage. So now like
a depressing edge on it. Yeah, so now he's a

(15:48):
guy in his late twenties early thirties, still living with
his aunt, having her make him wheatcakes and failure to launch.
That's what they do. Like that, you really screwed up
Peter Parker by erasing the marriage.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Now he's a loser.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, the Lusory could have moved out of his out
of his aunt's house, and it's just like why.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I understand it. It's a challenge in comics in general,
just like with the X Men. It's okay if you
have the new mutants and their ex students, at what
point are they still in school? Well, comics you really
have to age things like really slow and yeah, I
don't think they always do that well, or at least
they make the wrong decisions or aren't comfortable with doing that,

(16:32):
which I think they should be. But comics are always
parallel to the current times as well, so it's a
really interesting dichotomy with the characters and the stories and
how they age. So this is one of the classic battles.
I said, obviously, and to me.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
The story doesn't make sense either. You erased his marriage
without changing anything else in the history. It would have
been easier if why was I on?

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Why was I at this church September ninth, two thousand
and three, and why did we go to Benny Hannah?
I can't afford Benny Hannah.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
It's not even that, just there are things that she
did to help encourage She's the one of the ones
that helps encourage him to come go get him. Tiger
reveal his secret identity as well in Civil War. That's
a whole big thing, like he's It's just it's silly.
So that being said, yeah, and how they did it
is terrible. And I've said this too. I don't think

(17:26):
I've ever said it on the show before. If they
had done something weird where one of them cheated and
they ended up growing apart, and got a divorce. Like
then it would have been like, oh, okay, it just
didn't work out in the long run, or something happened,
have something tragic happened in the relationship that causes them
to break up. This you just erased it, and it
was just like it doesn't work. Yeah, it's cheap. I know.

(17:49):
It was the cheapest thing done in comics.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
They do that good with Colossus and Kitty Pride with
what they've been through over the years, and an additional
layer so their relationship as a whole. So yeah, you're right,
it really does just so cheap.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
But now we're in a situation where they brought Mary
Jane back and at first they made her Jackpot and
it was so funny because who's this new hero with
red hair called Jackpot, which that's the famous line, you
hit the jackpot, tyg face a jackpot or face Tiger
hit the jackpot. Duh. It was like they tried to
it was so stupid, and no one bought the book.

(18:28):
There was a Jackpot book. No one bought it, Like
it got canceled just as quickly. But then like she
has this relationship with this other guy who you know,
and he even says in an article, he's more of
a plot device than an actual character, just so that
she's got a reason not to go back to Peter
because she's got this other guy. And then and at

(18:48):
the then, at the end of the whole thing there,
I don't think they're together anymore. In the comics, no
one cared about Jackpots, so they got rid of the character.
And now you know, she's teamed up with the Symbio,
with the venom Symbia, and it's just really, so, what but.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
What was her superpower before? Okay, obviously symbio because they
symbiote everything, But before the Symbio, what is jack Because
I'm not familiar what is jack Pot's super.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
I don't know. I don't think she had a superpower.
I thought it was like luck or something, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Oh my god, are the Domino? Yeah, mutant power? That
all sounds fucking horrible.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Wow, And but it's funny, right because so the original
argument they broke them up so that it didn't age Peter,
but he was already aged and it didn't work. And
people have said that like over and over again, No,
it didn't make him young again. If they had reset
him back to being in high school. Then it would
have been different. But then it would have been like
you screwed up with the entire MC timeline, and that

(19:45):
wouldn't have worked either. So so that was the first excuse.
Then the second excuse is you were saying, right, oh,
and you've seen some of the reader writers say that, oh,
Peter is better a character who struggles, and he can
struggle in a marriage too. Everyone's strugg but oh he's
rewarded if he's married. And it's got a weird view
of marriage. Yeah, okay, is it? Can it be a

(20:07):
reward at times? Yes, but there's a lot more to
it than just Happily ever After, which I thought was
one of the things that made their marriage interesting because
they explored what happens in Happily ever After a lot.
And now we get articles like this from screen rant,
Oh they can't get together because then she can't be
the hero she's meant to be. No one gives a crap.

(20:28):
So I feel like at this point it's become the
fans want them back together. I honestly feel the most
most Peter fans want the marriage restored. So what they
do is they bring her back a Jackpot and they
tease that there's still a chemistry between them, but then
they don't know they're not together because she's got this
Paul guy she's dating. And then something else happened to think,

(20:49):
we're gonna get that back together, and then nah, see this.
They're using that now as a way to trick readers
into selling books, and they're going to keep doing it
until people stop going, Okay, this is an I see this.
I've seen this trick one hundred times already. I'm want
to stop reading because of it. And once that happens,
then they'll get back to it. And how do I
know this? The Clone Saga took a huge percentage of

(21:13):
the Hindies story. It was supposed to be like it
was supposed to be a six issue arc or something.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Originally it really was responsible for solidifying my dislike of
Spider Man.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
But when we had time, when we had Tom DeFalco
on the podcast Tom and Ron Friends, they talked about
the Clone Saga. And now Tom was the editor in
chief at the time, and so it wasn't like they
were working on the book anymore, the two of them. Yeah,
but they Tom DeFalco talked about how it was only
supposed to be a couple of books, but then they

(21:45):
kept coming up with what about this, and they kept
expanding it, and they realized fans were reacting and it
kept selling books, so they kept throwing all these twists
and turns in it to keep it going longer and
longer to sell more.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
But why not, you're in that business of Selen comic books.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
That's exactly what they're doing with Peter and Mjay's marriage.
They're going to keep playing with it over and over
again to keep selling books until it doesn't sell books anymore.
Then they will end it. That's what happened with to
Clone Saga. It started dropping off in sales, they realized
people were bored and done with it, so they wrapped
it up real quickly. So, yeah, that's where we're at.
So that's my opinion. You let me know if you

(22:23):
think I'm right or wrong in those comments down below,
but I'm sticking with that. All right, Let's piss some
people off, all right, gal Gado, because you said she
was trending, and I looked up why is she trending?
And apparently she did recently did an interview and long
story short without getting into too much it was revealed

(22:43):
that part of the prom in her opinion, the reason
that Snow White Movie didn't do so well is there
was pressure from people, especially at Disney, to speak out
against Israel while they were promoting the movie because of
what's going on over over on that side of the world.
And I think that is right and wrong. I do

(23:07):
think that played a part in it, because it's one
of the reasons people can't stand the what's her name,
Rachel zeg Zelwick or whatever, because she is outspoken about
so many different things and she's really she doesn't have
enough talent for the checks that her mouth is writing,
and she did talk about it a lot, and like,
regardless of what your opinion is on the current state

(23:28):
of the conflict over there, there are people that support
one side and are people who support the other. And
as soon as you come out on one side, you
alienate everyone on the other side. We talked about this
so much last week. That's exactly what happens. So as
soon as you start talking about it and saying you
support side A and not side B, everyone who supports
Side B is I'm not gonna go see your movie.
Like it's what happens it's just how the world is,

(23:52):
so it's best to just not talk about it. That
being said, I think it was a terrible movie anyway,
kind of panned in the in review os it was.
It took forever for it to come out, and Rachel
Segler doesn't have any real talent to place no White.
But that's why I think she was only half right
with her answer. But what do you think of the
controversy and should people promoting a movie talk about political thing?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
No, I don't think they should whatsoever. And I really
don't appreciate that being thrust upon an actor just because
they're from a country that they're somehow obligated to speak
out against it. Don't get me wrong. This is coming
from someone who's saying, hey, Israel's committing genocide. But at
the same time, if somebody's an actor, they're doing a job.

(24:39):
It's like, that's not their responsibility to get political to
help you feel better or one way or the other.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
It's just not well, let's say, because that's the thing too,
it's unfair to gal Gadot because she is from Israel, right,
like they wanted to force her to speak out against
her the country she's from imagine if Canada did something
that people didn't agree with and Ryan Reynolds coming out
and going, oh yeah, Canada sucks, like he's never gonna
do that. It's the same thing.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
That's a major faux pa for United States citizens, though,
is whether anyone remembers it or not. But it's a
major faux pa for us or any of us to
go to another country and talk bad about our own.
Now that's very old school and all that, but I'm
telling you it is what it is. So to expect
that if somebody is ridiculous. Didn't have anything to do

(25:26):
with the movie. Fuck, no, the movie just sucked. Okay,
if the movie was awesome, my girls would watch it. Okay.
They like Beauty and the Beast that remake, like all that.
They're into all of that. And they just didn't like
it and nothing to do. They didn't say daddy gal Gado,
they didn't denounce Israel or nothing. So I don't want
to watch that. No, she could be a serial murder.

(25:46):
They would never know, and they would still want to
watch the movie.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Who was good? Casan says gal Gado can't sing, this
was a musical. She can't sing, she can't act. Why
was she even kissed because she's hot?

Speaker 2 (25:57):
That's debatabull bo.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
You want to kick her out of bed? Come on, Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Not into the skinniness, but don't wrong. As Wonder Woman,
I actually thought she kind of did something for me there,
but as this evil queen. And I've never seen the movie,
but I don't know. I get it because I think
l Goodo is a stoic actor. That's why she only
works as Wonder Woman, this evil queen. Who again, I
remember the original cartoon was like a stoic person. So
I'm not going to bag on the acting too much there.

(26:26):
It is what it is. I don't think the politics
had anything to do with it.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Agreed, agreed, do better, Disney do better. But it could
be worse. They could be Roadblocks. Yeah, that's another crazy
thing that's been trending people who aren't familiar. Roadblocks is
a gaming platform geared to kids. It's from my original
I remember Roadblocks came out with my son with eight

(26:50):
or nine or ten somewhere in there. Yeah, and he
played a game on there and it was very much
it was almost what you call it the arty, but
the game he played on it was like a Minecraft
type game right where you could build stuff and whatnot.
You run around in the world you create, and from what
I remember, he played it a little bit, got built,
boored with it and started playing Minecraft and that was it. Says,

(27:14):
my son is on it every day and I played too.
You might want to get your son off of it.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Oh no.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
So the Louisiana Attorney General is suing Roadblocks because it's
being called the perfect place for pedophiles, and there have
been many articles that have come out and whatnot that yes,
pedophiles do spend a lot of time on that platform
trying to lure kids. And so one of the things

(27:42):
that also came out too is that there's a group
of people that they had a chat room or whatever,
and they would go on trying to they would go on,
it's so bad all around. They would go on pretending
to be kids to try to lure these pedophiles to them.
So Roadblocks, the people run it, banned them because they

(28:07):
were said they were making the platform more dangerous, which
I see their point, but yet they haven't done a
great job of blocking people, the bad people, because they're
not working as recruit. But it was easy to block
a group because you could figure out who all the
people were and just ban them out right right away.
But the bad people they're sneaking in onesies and twosies. Yeah,

(28:28):
so we'll have to see where this lawsuit goes. It's
interesting that Thron says he's still on it all the time, Casan,
I'm very familiar. My son plays a shitty tons of
shitty games on Roadblocks every time he does for the
future of gamers. So there you go. It's still popular,
very popular. I didn't really it was still that popular.
It is.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
My girls play it and they're like they're you know,
they're like nine and eleven and they play it, and yeah,
they're are really shitty. They're like really watered down graphically
inferior versions of some games that already exists, like Trying
to Hit the Grand Theft Auto a Lot. I. For
a time, my kids were obsessed with this game where

(29:08):
you're a spider but you got a little human head
on or whatever the hell.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
That just sounds creepy.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah it is, but I don't kids like creepy shit
nowadays or whatever. Either way, my girls still play this
and they're being very expressive. That's why Roadblocks makes money
because the kids, all, can I get some roadblocks? That
gets a roadblocks and they're not spending on anything but
appearance of their character or skin, oh skins.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
That's getting the same thing with Fortnite.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Same thing with Fortnite is yeah, I popped in my
head too, and because it's very expressive in that manner
and that's what kids nowadays really look forward to. But
with this lawsuit, this is one of many like perfect
pedophile playground, Yeah, are you gonna be gonna see the park?

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Or this ties into another article I didn't include, but
it's been making the rounds. So Mississippi put in a
law that requires you to verify your age for certain websites,
adult websites, right, and like now, of course the state
just comes out and says you have to show your
state ID to be able to access the website. There

(30:20):
are groups that are against it because it's like, now
this website's going to have your ID on file. So
then but then it begs the question, maybe there should
be when you do get a state ID, you get
a digital state ID. It is twenty twenty five and
it is time for something like that, like a digital
state ID that is on the blockchain. That is linked
to you and that you can use and they can

(30:43):
check it and verify it, but they can't keep it
because it lives on the blockchain. And okusan distracted here,
Dave is letting hair as he talks about cordon sites
and that that was a bad look for me. Okay,
But anyway, and so that was Mississippi had put that
law in place. Someone had sued saying it's against free expression,

(31:06):
which I think is a bullshit thing, and it has
come out and it went all the way to the
Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court as of right now
says they're going to probably uphold the law in Mississippi.
So that could be a thing too. But then here's
the thing, like that's for the adult websites, But how
do you then prove you're actually a kid? There aren't
kid ideas. That's why I think, like you need we

(31:29):
need like a digital ID system in the world today
like that somehow protect it.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
And I don't know, you might find you're probably gonna
find a lot of people that are against that though.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Oh, you're gonna find people that are against anything that's new.
That's how the world works. Old people don't like new technology.
But yeah, I think that's probably where we're headed. And
it's funny because there are states that have been trying
to pass these laws. I think Mississippi was the first
one that was the law was challenged in court. I
believe Florida is another one has the law. And it's
funny because corn Hub, as that sons called it corn

(32:03):
they like basically said they're just going to stop operating
in those states. So you want kids to access your late?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Okay, it's bad optics bad exactly.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I don't know the world we live in anymore, drives
me now. So we'll see what happens with roadblocks. We'll
keep an eye on it. Obviously, we have fans whose
kids are playing on there, so I'm sure they're interested.
I don't know, what do you think? Would you be
upset if roadblocks had to shut down because there's too
many people on there?

Speaker 2 (32:32):
The day that they shut down roadblocks would probably be
the worst day of my child's life. But to me,
it'd be an easy sunday. I wouldn't even think about
it as they cry over their boredom, in which I
would just threaten them with, I'll find you something to do. Yeah,

(32:52):
it wouldn't bother me whatsoever, not one bit. Yeah, bring back.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Land parties and then you know who your kids are
playing with.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Next to that was the funnest shit ever back then,
Halo one Land parties.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Anyway, give them pen, paper and dice.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
You got magic the gathering as well.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Oh hello are people they will go They will just
go outside and raise hell like we did. Yeah, hopefully.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
I am very lucky with that. As much as I'm
talking about they love roadblocks. I am lucky that when
it's nice outside, the kids do choose to go outside
and do the Lord of the Fly things. Because I
work from home, so there's really eight hours to day
during the summer where it's this deal, survive, come back
when you need food. Oh yeah, I feel like that

(33:38):
my kids are in that life.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, my granddaughters don't do not go online and play
games like that at all. They're outside all most of
the time. But I feel like you were going to
say the day they turned down the day they shut
down roadblocks, which was the worst day in my child's life,
But to me, it was Sunday exactly a little advice

(34:02):
for you, Yes, thank you, R. Perry. So let's move on.
What do we got next? Oh, this was the one
you brought up? Gon Jen is now the most powerful
Jedi there, don what's the what's that about?

Speaker 2 (34:15):
No, I don't not most powerful Jedi. I think that's
very subjective. But what this now canonical story reveals is
that may mace wind Do and Quigan and others, but
Mace win Do and Qui Gon really being the focal
points here. Gon was able to sense something through the
Force that Mace wind Do and another like Jedi Master couldn't.

(34:37):
And so what the importance of this is that it
it displays that Qui Gon really did have more of
a connection and understanding of the Living Force the Force
in general than the top Jedi Council members that scorned
him for not always listening to them, because again, he

(34:58):
listened to the Living Force. Also adds context and validation
to the fact that Qui Gon is the first Jedi
to figure out the whole Force ghost thing.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I was gonna say it wasn't un the first to
come back as a Force ghost. Yep.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Absolutely, so, yeah, that's just cool as hell. Obviously, he
was vested in a fight for Darth Maul. Hell, it
was a two on one fight for most point, So
you could say what you want, but as far as
this understanding and attumin into the Force, it does prove
him to be vested by none, even when Yoda is around.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
So that's cool. So there was a Jedi Jesus baby
speaking of Quigan losing. Though there's the thing I saw
not that long ago where it was Dave Filoni, I believe,
talking about conversation he had with George Lucas and about
more powerful and whatnot with the Force and like how
that all works and whatnot, and basically George Lucas said,

(35:57):
it doesn't matter how powerful, how quote unquote powerful you are,
and how much you've trained or whatnot. Yeah, if you're
if the Force wants you to win a fight, you win.
If you're supposed to lose, you lose. Like giving it
a sentient type part of me vibe and making it
like basically the Star Wars universe's version of God where

(36:19):
it's but it's picking winners and losers. And I was like, oh,
that's an interesting thoughts. And when you think about it,
Qui Gon was destined to lose the fight so that
he would be trained by Obi Wan, so Anakin would
be trained by obi Wan like that was the destined
path for Anakin, and I asked me.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
To get it. But Qui Gon was also aging versus
prime Zabrakian Sith Lord.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
I saw an interesting thing today too, and I was
just like, huh, it was a meme and it was like,
I wasted eight years old when I realized that Return
of the Jedi isn't referring to Luke. It's referring to
Darth Vader returning to being hennikin Skywalker. I'm like, yeah,
it took you that long that out.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Okay, Yeah, welcome, glad you're here. Yeah, asked, so.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
The Force doesn't allow for you will The Sith Lords
aren't evil. I don't know. They aren't. Depends on your
definition of evil. Yeah, all right, but yeah, I don't know.
I thought he's one of the most powerful because he
was the first to figure out how to come back.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
I think that's as a matter of being attuned to
what the Force wants, which is which is analogous to
the last Jedi, where it's like Lucas like, yeah, the
Jedi sucked. They didn't really know what the Force wanted.
I'm paraphrasing, obviously, and Qui Gon proves that like he was,
he went up against the council time and time again,

(37:42):
but the history and time has proven that he again
was more tuned to what the force wanted. Yeah, all right,
oh yeah, I'm sorry I missed this one. Yes, I
love George Lucas. I love what he created. Caissan says,
sometimes George Lucas to keep his musings to himself, absolutely solute.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, if you ever if you ever a saw the
read the story that was originally supposed to be the
sequel besides Empire Strikes Back, and if you read any
of the stuff that he proposed for the sequel trilogy,
you would one hundred percent agree. Sometimes just needs to
know when to stop talking. Speaking of people that need
to know when to stop talking. I don't know how

(38:22):
true this is, but Bo de Mayo, the creator of
X Men ninety seven I show that we we love
this on this podcast, put a post out on X
and basically was answering a question of those asking why
I'm not so hard on Superman. The answer is, I
never worked with Gunn or DC. But then goes on

(38:43):
a rant about Marvel and basically talks about who is
it Kevin Faigie and the who's the other guy over
at Marvel. There's another guy over at Marvel that like
Figie and Louis Lewis. No, No, it's Kevin Foggy and
lou Diesposito who make a lot of the decisions about

(39:07):
what story ideas are going to go forward with in
Marvel in the MCU, and he proposed a Blade story,
and he doesn't he goes into some detail about what
his story is Deacon. It starts out with Deacon and
I don't know. I didn't read the whole thing. I
started reading it and I just wanted to skip to
the end. Basically, he was saying that Esposito shot down

(39:29):
his idea, saying it was too comic. Bookie, Yeah, that
it was, that it was too much like the comics,
and he didn't think it was a good idea, and
so they shot down his proposal for the Blade movie. Now,
the thing I gotta say about it is one, I
do think it could. We don't know if this story
is true or not, because he obviously has a bone

(39:52):
to pick with Marvel at this point with what they
did to him. Two, we don't know if it's true
when he did it because they might have already been
talking about fire him and he present at the story,
so they just came up with an excuse to reject it.
So I'm waiting to see if anyone else comes out
and says they proposed an idea for a movie and
they were told it was too comic booky. I because
I think that would confirm it, because I'm gonna say

(40:12):
at the same time, I do think there are still
people who are in charge of movies in both Barner
Brothers and Disney Marvel that are like, oh, comic books
are for kids, and we're trying to make serious movies here, yeah,
which I think is their names. I think it's a
dumb attitude at this point because the movies that do

(40:34):
mirror the comics.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
These kids are now fifty years old.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Do well. Yeah. So do you think there's a grain
of truth in this?

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I know Bo DeMeo is down on Marvel and he's
spoken about being too comic book minded with The X
Men ninety seven, which I refer to it as The Masteries.
And I've spoken on this show before about how I'm
troubled by how all that went down and troubled by
his claims that he's being told not to be too
comic bookie basically, so to hear that his proposal for

(41:06):
Blade was shot down for being to comic bookie, that
does anger me. I don't know if anger is maybe
a strong word, but I'm just like, come on, because
look at the success of Superman. That was very comic bookie.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
It was.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
So that's a dumb criticism, especially when your ip farm
is comic book So yeah, next thing sounds like bou
de maayon, Rob Lifel need to come up with some
sort of like boy anti Marvel boy band. Okay, And
then and then third thing is that writing a Blade
movie is really like hitting like a baseball off a tee.

(41:43):
Like here, I'm gonna write a Blade movie right now,
Free day. Are you ready please? Snipes looks fucking cool
killing a lot of fucking vampires, says some really cool
fucking lines. Does something really fucking cool to some head
vampire guy, black leather, sun glasses, shiny bladed weaponry.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
We go all right? Okay, I don't feel like there
wasn't enough of a story fleshed out, so you might
want to work on that. That being said, I do
think I don't First off, wait, wait, First off, I'm sorry.
I got to back up. If somebody can like come
up with an image and a song for the Beau

(42:24):
de Mao, Rob leifeld uh Anti Marvel boy Band will
put that at least put that image on a Superhero
speak t shirt. Yes, that pitch felt like motherfuckers are
always trying to skate uphill. Yep. But I do think, yeah,
I do think it's an easy sell. I think they
were They're afraid to do the Blade movie for some

(42:45):
reason because it's you feels like it would be easy
money at this point, and I don't know why they're
having such a hard time with it, but I do wait,
you know what, No, that's not true. I do know
why they have such a hard time with it is
because the whole theme of the show. I do think
Marvel has lost its way in a lot of ways,
and that's the problem. Because you've heard the rumors about

(43:07):
some of the scripts that were rejected, like.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
They yeah, they're getting crazy.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, Like it was more Blade was a secondary character
and it was more about these female characters they were
bringing in.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Which they did in Blade Trilogy. Sorry, Blade Trinity, and
it didn't work. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
I feel like Yeah, that's Marvel hasn't learned the right
lessons with some of their failures, and I feel like
this might be an example of that. But this who
knows how long ago he presented this idea, And that's
what scares me. That was originally supposed to be the theme
of the Tunny Show was like Marvel became a juggernaut

(43:45):
and then was like, oh, now we can switch everything
up and still be successful. Yeah, now we dictate what's now,
we dictate what's cool, and that's not how it works.
So again they also, Marvel did go very comic accurate
with costumes in the MCU. The early movies are very
true to the comics. Look at Iron Man, look at

(44:07):
the Captain American thor yeh know, like true to the
comics with their own spin. So I have a hard
time believing they rejected his scripts solely on it being
too much like a comic book. But who knows. Again,
I'm hoping that if it's true, someone else will come up,
come out and say, yeah, they did that to me.

(44:27):
But if they don't, then we'll know that he's just
going to be singing with LIFELD. So, continuing on this
Marvel rant in.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
The comic books. Do you want to see a live
Feld and Beau de Mayo boy band? Yes, called bow
Liefeld Bofelt, Rob DeMeo, both fel there we go, Yes,
both fail Bofeld like Seinfeld, but Bowfaeld.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
All right, so we got to marvel to the party.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Speaking of the MCU, we got two characters you apparently
are returning. Let's start with the big one. This came
out Wednesday kind of sort of. Brian Reynolds put a
thing on his social media where it was the Avengers
A and had graffiti of the Anarchy A over top
the Avengers A, and it started fans speculating that he

(45:21):
was going to be in Doomsday. And apparently people have
talked with his people, not him directly, but his people
he works with his I guess agents or whatever, and
they have said more or less that yes, he is
in Doomsday. And there's a rumor that on the twenty seventh,
the entire the full cast for Doomsday will be finally released.

(45:43):
Like what we got that trailer a little video got
was not the full cast. That on the twenty seventh
of this month, the entire cast will be revealed of
Doomsday and apparently at least Deadpool Ryan Reynolds to be
on there, and of course we already know that Gambit
played by Shannon Tatum is on the list, so we

(46:04):
can only speculate that probably means at least Wolverine, Blade
and possibly Electra will be coming back as well, and
maybe Weapon X. So well that Weapon X what's her name.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Is Laura Kinney, otherwise known as the Wolverine.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yes, so there's a chance because they've been dubbing them
the Anarchy Avengers and okay, that's what they'll be. We'll see.
We've talked about this on the show. There'd be fools
not to have at least Ryan Reynolds in the movie
at this point, even if it's a one scene cameo,
like there are people going to go just for that.
Are you excited about the possibility of all them coming in?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I am, in fact, my big watch right now for
that event that you speak of where they're going to
reveal everything. I'm hoping beyond hope. I know, I'm a
spoiled ex boy fan. Well, I would love to see
like Colossus. Now, I wonder if they're gonna bring back
what was his name Daniel Cudmore that did it in
the second and third X Men movie. Also Day's Future Past.

(47:06):
But yeah, Deadpool's going to be there. He's got his
own time travel device TVA. Like that's the question, multiverse shit.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Do they bring that classes in or do they bring
the classes in from the dead whatever they want?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
I'm they yeah, I mean they could do them both,
although I think it's easier to do. I think the
person that does the acting for the CGI, Stefan something
to Pavich. I'm sorry, he's way more into the character
than the original Yeah losses actor, So if anything, I

(47:38):
think they would just go with him, which is great
because that's the more comic accurate one.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Thron said he saw an article says he won't be
in either. I don't know, we'll see again. Why did
he post that then on social media? And why did
his people say he was going to be in it.
So we'll see thrown on the twenty seventh. Hopefully we'll
have in ten days, we'll have a good I mean.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Kimbit's coming from his universe person.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Like yeah, the other person that apparently she is said
in an interview, there's more Scarlet Witch coming Elizabeth Olsen
will continue to play the Scarlett which in post Avenders
Secret Wars MCU.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah, I think these actors always they get to the point, oh,
I'm done with that, the story's done, and I think
about year five or six of not getting those paychecks,
they start walking that back.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Now. Of course, I will say that the new this
came from the Cosmic Circus. I don't know that publication
or that website. And this is according to Alex Perez,
who says that he talked to like her or someone
in her camp. Okay, I thought it was a direct interview. No,
it was he talked to someone in her camp said
that yes, they are bringing her back post Secret Wars.

(48:47):
So again, it can also be like we had Multiverse Madness,
where they showed us many Scarlet Witches in multiple universes.
She's an exus being, so she is the same in
every universe, supposedly except apparently the one that went crazy
and tried to kill everyone. So yeah, they can easily
bring her back. And I think you're right. I think
you sit there five years later and yeah, I'm not

(49:09):
getting those marble checks anymore. I think it's time I
jump into something and.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Again look good and red.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
I think she needs a redemption arc. Personally, I think
she was a beloved character and to have her be
killed off the way she was in Multiverse AMDNAS and
never come back just it's a low blow.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
I think she needs to come back and kill most
of the mutans and kill millions of mutants.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
She needs to say no more MutS. Yeah. Did you
notice how her accent got less and less as the
movies went on.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
To Yeah, they dropped it for sure.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah. And then so finally, you had said that we
should start a Young Avengers watch because we have been
the fulfilled. Yes, we got Mafisto, so we don't need
Mafista Watch anything. Sorry, John, We now have Young Avengers Watch.
But apparently either this is a rumor or I can't remember.
This is a rumor. It's just definitely confirmed.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
That's a rumor. Thought when I read it. Yes, I
think everything's a rumor.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
So the rumor is that the trailers, Yeah, true, the
Young Avengers will get their debut in Marvel Zombies. And
that's what's the word I'm looking for. That's kind of sucks,
I'm sorry. Like the first Marvels.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
You want to see a full blown new Young Avengers.
I want to show a show.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
I think they could do a Netflix show or no, like,
I don't even need a sixth episode arc. I need
like a two hour special or an hour and a half
special on Disney plus of them coming together to take
care of a small threat that the Avengers are too
busy or whoever is too busy to take care of,
and then boom, they're in the universe and then we

(50:53):
can call on them later on. Because again, don't show
Kamala Khan and Kate Bishop getting together and say they
want a former team and then leave us hanging. But
that also being said, like Marble Zombies. Have you read
marvel Zo Are you a big Marbles Marble Zombies fan?

Speaker 2 (51:09):
No, I'm not a big fan of macabs like that.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Yeah, I like I thought the first like when I
first heard them, like, eh, it seems weird and it
seemed popular and now people write it. Then they kept
trying to bring it back over and over again, and
I don't think that popular. Is the first run that
they did, it felt like they were beating a dead
horse after a while, and then it just dropped it done. Yeah,
it's pun intended. So when they said they were doing

(51:33):
a Marvel Zombies cartoon based on the one scene, and
what if. I was just like why. And here's the
thing too, it's Marvel Zombies, right, Like. The story is
there's a virus that takes over the Earth and the
characters start becoming zombies and it's who's left is fighting
the zombies and whatnot? Are they gonna bring in the
Young Avengers as zombies? Who cares? At that point? It

(51:55):
feels like, yeah, that's what they're gonna do. Just have
them animated in one scene in the background, but they're
just the walking dead at that point. No one's gonna care.
I don't know. Tell me I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
No, I don't think you're wrong. I think it's possible
that they cop out a little bit and saying no,
he brought you the Young Avengers see without actually doing it.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, because we've.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Read a lot, or I've read a lot where this
whole multiverse Doomsday Secret Wars is going to like reboot
this the universe. So if they bring the Young Avengers
into it, I don't think they're going to get a
lot of time to breathe. Now, so I could see
them just up here they are, ye, look at that. Yeah,

(52:38):
he gave you the Young Avengers and then be done
with it.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
I think I feel and I've said this before, I
feel like they missed the boat because they could have.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
I think, instead of giving a secret invasion.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
And yeah, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
This might not be a popular woman she Hawk one
other show, I don't know. There was a lot of stuff.
What was that Agatha Heart miss Like they introduced all
these characters in the background. The only one who's had
any significant.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Role is Wicked, like in the Agatha Alllong right, like, well.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
No, the Kate Bishop on the Hawkeye show.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Okay, Yes, Kate and Wicked are the only two characters.
And kamalakon okay, so three of the characters have had
major stories in the MCU and and the thing is
right like that. What they should have done is like
they did with the Hawkeye show. There should have been
something with all the characters that was passing the torch
to these younger characters and then just boom Young Avengers,

(53:34):
because you probably could have brought in younger if they
didn't fumbled it as bad as they have. You could
have interested younger kids that go see the Young Avengers
and brought in a whole new audience to watch these
movies where it's now it's the same people who have
been watching them for whatever it's been. Nos.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yeah, the Young Avengers would be thirty years old. Yeah,
that's what the Sun said.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Like the people who are who've been following them, see
you since they were kids, are now aging out of
going to see Marvel movies a little.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Bit and do the creepies like seventies eighties things they
have forty year olds play like twenty year olds.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
But again, if you try to capture the young audience
and rebreathe some new life into it, I think it
could have worked. But they were just fumbling the ball.
Somebody wants to do it, that's why they keep showing
up here and there in the background, but they're not.
They're too scared to commit to it. Yeah we'll see.
And this is again this comes back to the theme
does Marvel know what they are? They in trouble with

(54:34):
all this going on?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Marvel, like Disney as a whole, I don't look at
it this way, but here we are talking about they
could have done Young Avengers. That would have been good,
but instead we get, like I said, Secret Invasion I
got the Harkness, but Disney is the general the acolyte.
A lot of people didn't like. That's a lot of
stuff that people aren't liking. The New Avengers could have
gained some traction. So the Young Avengers are New Avengers.

(54:58):
Is're gonna be on streaming tooer. Yeah, it's a really man,
it's a big It's a missed opportunity. It could have
been successful versus a lot of the unsuccessful stuff.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
I feel like, look at the movies, right, Like last
year we had Deadpool Wolverine. Okay, yeah, technically it's an
MC movie, but it was Deadpool Wolverine. It was going
to be a hit period, Like, it didn't matter. It
was still Fox for the characters alone, the characters alone.
But then we got three Marvel movies. Since then, Wow,
there were actually three Marvel movies.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Camp right, Yeah, I don't know if it was this year. Yeah, no,
I think you're right, because we got Captain four, Underbolts,
Asterix and Fantastic four four.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
So this is the most Marvel movies we've had in
a year in a while. And plus we had that
there was a lot of Marvel this year. When you
really think about it, and.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Was Deadpool February. Yeah, there was a lot of Marvel.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
No, Deadpool was last year, so yeah, so that's the thing,
but what do you call it? Fantastic Four did okay,
but Thunderbolts and Captain America did not really do that
great and I think they fumbled the ball with those
right again again, Thunderbolt's biggest problem is it was a
bunch of characters. The same thing with Captain Marvel. They

(56:10):
overestimated the popularity of their shows, you know, because the
bulk of the characters in this movie were introduced in
the TV shows, not in movies. The only one that
was interested in the movies was what's her face? Or
Red Guardian and Elena right like John Walker was in
the TV show and a Ghost, but she was the
villain and she was like a secondary character in a

(56:32):
man Then and then of course sas Master, who was
killed off in the first five minutes, so we won't
talk about it. But then they introduced Bob and it
was just okay, but like no one cared about these characters.
But they were like, oh no, oh Thunderbolts, and it says, oh,
we know how to make it work. They're actually the
new Avengers and it' said, no, that doesn't work either.
If they said it was the Dark Avengers, it would
have been a little bit better and they had them

(56:54):
be like a darker version of the Avengers. But yeah,
and then Captain America. I don't know, it just it
just felt it fell short on a lot of things,
which should have been The Incredible Hulk too, not Captain
America because it was all Hulk villains in it against
against an unpowered Sam Wilson. Captain America. It was just like, eh,

(57:15):
it doesn't really work. Yeah, I don't know, what do
you think? Because I know you you have faith and
you think that Doomsday and Secret Wars are going to
be big and then we're going to get a reset
MCU with the X Men and the Fantastic Four being
the focus of the universe, which I think they're putting
all their eggs in that basket, and I don't think
it's going to be as successful as people are saying

(57:38):
so that.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
They keep up with the don't do comic bookie shit.
That's what's got me worried. I like Thunderbolt, really I did,
so I don't and I don't know. I liked Captain
America it wasn't great and put me on fire Thunderbolts.
She was just like this is cool. I like this,
and then we climb up even higher see what they
do with the Fantastic But I think a lot of

(58:01):
that has to do with they, for the most part,
other than some end credit scenes and whatnot, focused on
just one contained story that you don't need to see
other just know what's going on. I think Marvel overall
is increasing in its momentum again. I think the fact
that you have a Fantastic Four movie that maybe didn't
beat a Superman movie, but a good Superman movie. But

(58:22):
we had a good Superman movie, and the Fantastic Four
is competing rather well against that. I know a lot
of people speculate all its DC better than Marvel now,
which no, it's just Superman's were properly than Fantastic Four,
and we all know that. We all know why. I
think Marvel's on the upswing. I don't think Thunderbolts was
swinging to missus. People thought it was. I am excited.
I just the whole Robert down at Junior thing still

(58:45):
has me worried that. Really, I gotta see how they
pulled I'm really holding my breath until I see how
they pulled that off.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
I think the problem is that when the MCU started,
and they didn't know what their future was and they
were weren't sure if they were gonna be SI Sussful not.
They were movies made by people who were passionate about
the characters and the projects, making good movies for everyone
and honoring comic book.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
But like John Fama is really the pioneer here though, right,
I feel R and iron Man comic Book accurate the
way it looked and they said, okay, let's go.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
I feel like now they're making movies for the MCU fan,
and they think they're making movies for the MCU fan,
and they lost their way. They're not looking at each
movie as is this a good movie that appeals to
the broad audience and honors the characters that were representing.
They're looking at is this work good in the MCU

(59:42):
and they're the MCU fans going to be happy? And
I think some of these movies the answer has been no.
And instead of taking that feedback and going let's learn
from this and correct course and fantastic woar in some
ways feels like it is a correction of the course
because they said, Okay, we're going to put them in
a pocket universe, so we can create a movie that

(01:00:03):
deals with that we're passionate about these characters and tells
a good story that honors the comic book fans. But
they had two not so good movies, and I know,
I'm not saying they're terrible, but they're not like the
shining Stars of the MCU movies that came out right
before it. So people were already like, I'm not sure
I'm gonna spend now money on a third movie that

(01:00:25):
I'm not sure about. I think if they keep making
movies like The Fantastic Four going forward, it'll correct the course.
But we'll see, I don't know. I'm cautiously optimist. We'll
see what Doomsdays like, because again, that feels like a stunt. Again,
Robert Downey Junior is doom is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yeah, I know that really creeps my crawl. All the
money they have to spend on him to do it.
And if you were gonna do it, then fucking bring
back Iron Man and we'll all be hyped for it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yeah. Yeah, And it's funny because it's like that's one
of the things I keep seeing is they keep talking
about Doom's motivation and blah blah blah blah blah blah,
and it feels that they're trying to make him the
they tried to do with Kang too, obviously, but they
abandoned Kang and it's there. That's their formula now, is
where the villain is from their mind point, their viewpoint,

(01:01:17):
what they're doing is good. The motivation for doctor Doom,
apparently this is the rumor again we don't know, is
that he sees the encouragions happening and decides he wants
to stop it so that it'll stop destroying the universe.
And he feels that he goes he needs a power
to like bring everything together, and he goes after Franklin

(01:01:37):
Richards to do it again. It's in his mind it's
a noble cause.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Well, what would you think, because I read something that
said that it's leaking plot details on named sources. What
would you think if the reason for the incursion was
because Captain America Steve Rogers with the Infinity Stones went
back in time stayed there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I saw that theory.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
What do you think of that? So we got Chris
Evans Robert Doddy Junior back in the mix Chris Hemsworthy's foreign.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
What is that? But what does that mean? Does that mean?
Because first off, if that's causing the incursions, then the
TVA would have gone after it, right, That's why I
don't That's why I'm not buying that plot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
But EVA monitors timelines, not universe. I don't think EVA
would have the wherewithal awareness.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
I don't know. I feel like the TVA would have
saw the incursions happening and been like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
In the multiverse great.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Yeah. But also that being said is then then what
do you do? You forced Cap to come back to
his time and come back to the future and abandon Peggy,
and then that becomes really sticky and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
I'm a scrawl to take his place so he could
do both at the same time. Yeah, I don't know,
don't they do in the comics a bit?

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
I don't know. It just feels because then you're ruining
the Chris Evans Captain America ending for the MCU. In
his mind, that was his thing. Cap got his happy
ending and that's the end of the story for Cap.
So you're gonna bring him back and erase the happy
ending because it's causing. I don't know how much. I
don't know how much I believe that. I think it
would be too difficult to make it work and not

(01:03:19):
po half of the Marvel fan But I don't think
they care that about pissing off the Marble fans. No,
because again it doesn't even make sense that he did
it anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
So Ick Fury married to scroll why the fuck not?

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
And again everyone wanted to see his adventures of putting
the stones back, especially when he ran in a red
skull returning the Soulstone like that. Everyone wants to see that.
Of course they didn't do that, so I don't know.
We'll see, We'll see. We'll see one of the twenty
sevenths when they introduced the whole cast, and maybe it'll
give us a better idea of possible plot details. But
until then, I think we need to ask that question

(01:03:55):
that we do every.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Week, what did we learn on this show?

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
And or recommendation? So what do you got from me?

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Don arned A couple of things. One was I guess
actually pre shows. Looking up on Google here what's trending?
See if there's something comical canority related trending that maybe
I could talk about on the show and I see
Mercury first Storm, I get excited at all storm and
versus Mercury, that's the w n B a W eighteen mascot.

(01:04:26):
So I learned that's not referring to the X Men storm.
The other thing I learned is that I want to
see a Beau de Mayo Rob Leifeld like Millie Vanilli
boy band called what was the Game with Beaufaield? That
will seem funny. So I have no recommendation.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
I learned that I hate naming this show beforehand now
because we used to just record it and put it
out of his podcast, because Bofeld would have been the
name of this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
You can go back and change, you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
I don't like to. Yeah, no, I hear you. I
get it. So yeah, so yeah. I learned that I
want to see Bofeld in concert. When they come, I'll
be up. I'll be right up close, front and center,
singing along with them. Screw the m c you, screw
the MCU. If those tweets are true, we have a
serious problem.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
So I absolutely agree, Yeah we do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
It goes back to first album could go and it
goes back to the old Warner Brothers days when they
asked Kevin Smith to pitch an idea for the Superman
movie in the nineties. That was the movie that was
never made, and he said to one of the execs
Warner Brothers, you've got it. Why are you asking me?

(01:05:42):
I'm just a fan of comic books. When you've got
a bunch of people in the building over there pointing
at the DC offices that know more about this character
than I ever could, and they're like, Oh, they're comic
book writers, they don't know anything about movies. It just
goes back to those days in my mind and maybe
got back to nipples on them if they had listened
to John Smith. Yes, so yeah, I don't have any

(01:06:03):
recommendations other than go buy the Beaufeldt album because it'll
be a banger, I'm telling you. And on that as always,
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