August 13, 2024 • 54 mins
Tim and Eric Vogel have been interested in Bigfoot since 1976, when something with big feet went through our backyard in, Western Massachusetts.
Tim is a Ranger. Eric is a retired city employee and wilderness guide from their outdoor education and adventure recreation business, Tekoa Mountain Outdoors, were they taught backpacking, rock climbing white water kayaking, caving and much more. Tim did some international guiding in Ecuador, South America, leading groups on Sea to summit expeditions for a month at a time.
The Vogel Brothers have been doing bigfoot research & Investigations since 2013 and have some great stories about their encounters and experiences with bigfoot.
Both, Eric and Tim both have had visual sightings and various other potential bigfoot experiences. They've also cast a number of different potential bigfoot tracks taken, over the years.
They have 5 primary locations they investigate in Western Massachusetts (where they live), and are now doing investigations throughout the Northeast.
https://www.facebook.com/people/The-Cobble-Mountain-Critter-Project/61559204812849/
Tim is a Ranger. Eric is a retired city employee and wilderness guide from their outdoor education and adventure recreation business, Tekoa Mountain Outdoors, were they taught backpacking, rock climbing white water kayaking, caving and much more. Tim did some international guiding in Ecuador, South America, leading groups on Sea to summit expeditions for a month at a time.
The Vogel Brothers have been doing bigfoot research & Investigations since 2013 and have some great stories about their encounters and experiences with bigfoot.
Both, Eric and Tim both have had visual sightings and various other potential bigfoot experiences. They've also cast a number of different potential bigfoot tracks taken, over the years.
They have 5 primary locations they investigate in Western Massachusetts (where they live), and are now doing investigations throughout the Northeast.
https://www.facebook.com/people/The-Cobble-Mountain-Critter-Project/61559204812849/
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Our angels, ghosts and Bigfoot. Oh why, it's just another
night for Supernatural Girls and real stories, real answers to
life's biggest supernatural mysteries. And now for another exciting interview
with paranormal experts from this world and others. Here's your host,
paranormal researcher Patricia Baker on the One the Only Supernatural Girls.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Welcome everyone to another exciting episode of Supernatural Girls. I'm
your host, Patricia Baker, and I'm here with the magnificent
p K p K. How are you you.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Fabulous with that intro? Oh my god, Yes, doing pretty good, honey,
even even with the heat. Good gritters are eating my
plants I have. I have some outfront water every day,
and I had some pots that were a little lower
than others because they're in plots around here because of
(01:21):
the ground right, and I've got my god, I don't
know what they went through it. It looks like they
went through the scissors all the way across. I'm going
to put a light up there. I'm going to be
on guard tonight because there's anything left there going to
be meat tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's right. You've got to take care of those plants.
That's really spooking. What it is.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Well, they don't care what they eat as long as
I'm going to be more careful.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I know you have a lot of coyotes out there,
have a m.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
And they're really good to take up the ground. But
for the most part, ground squirrels are all over the place.
But I got they've multiplied and there's still coming in masks.
Never seen so many groundhog holes and that all over
the yard. Oh no, you got to be careful when
you walk out because you can realize it. Yep, that's
why I've made it a plan just to stay inside. Good,
(02:16):
nothing to do with the heat or the hole. Just
stand side, stay there. Yeah, let's take it a look
at some things we were talking about earlier. Yes, this
is a month that you're gonna find You're going to
probably dream a lot more during a seven day month
or a year, and right now we're in a seven month.
(02:36):
You tend to dream more. You have more issues trying
to sleep. More sleep is required because you just can't
seem to get into what you think is a normal
way of being. You more restless. Dreams awake you when
you wake up. It's almost like you're missing something and
you keep trying to find that piece that's missing. But
(02:57):
this is true, and it will be true for the
rest of this month because it is a seven month. Also,
August for everyone is a review of last year. To
make a note of that, because there might be some
things you might want to tidy up a little bit.
So we take a look at these three months, August, September,
(03:17):
and October. August is a review of last year. September
will be a review of this year, and October a
preview of next year.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
That and we right now are in a retrograde, so
be careful what you sign, be careful what you say,
and know that if you're not sitting on a cushion,
you might get a bite where you sit.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh boy, And like you said, this is going to
effect and it has for me apply definitely. Ours phones, everything,
communications of all kinds.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
And anything electronic tends to break down during the retrograde too.
So if it's broken down, let it be until it's
over with. So I keep taking it.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
And if.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I ask you, how many people are dealing with these
robo calls?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
A lot?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Oh my god, I've had eleven yesterday. I had eighteen
the day before I've had so far, I've had sixteen
to day. You know what I paid for my phone line.
But you can't take your cause because and then when
you answer it not knowing whether it is. Sometimes it
tells you that it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Sometimes it does yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
But you get in there and they start right in
and what they're trying to deal with it. I say,
you know what I pay for this line, why are
you using it? But you look at all the numbers
that they put it in places that they're coming from.
Somebody's getting screwed big time because they're paying for stuff
they're not getting and we're getting run over by stuff
(04:48):
we don't want.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I know, it's terrible. I know in the past they've
tried to get this under control, but it's really still
out of control. They got to night from Syria. Oh
in the middle of the night. That's fun. So but
hopefully with this retro grade and you've got what another
two weeks at least of.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
This about a week about a week a week. Yeah,
we'll say that the chef it's over with. But the
bottom line is there's nothing we can do about this.
I called the phone company and I said, hey, They said, well,
if you do this. We'll do this and two days
you won't get hardy any calls. Helloney, I think they
plugged me into a switchboard. It's incredible. But it's for
(05:35):
people that have a business out of their home. Well
that's right, because you don't know what you're getting. You
don't know, say no business.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I know.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I've learned to swear a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, good for you. Well, tonight we're going to go
to a place we love to be, which is talking
about Bigfoot. We love Bigfoot. We love all the people
we've had on the show who've talked about Bigfoot, from
their language, to personal experiences, to their calls that we've heard.
(06:07):
And it's even with Matt Johnson. Now he's got the
FBI on his behind, invading his house, his property, everything.
It's been crazy for him. We'll get into that. So anyways,
I do have my own Bigfoot story, but I will
share when we introduce our guests.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Indeed, good girl.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
So we have two fabulous guests who are from right
around the corner from me. They are yes, this is
so cool. So we have Tim, who is a ranger,
and Eric is a retired city employee and wilderness guide.
My god, they are involved with all kinds of adventure
(06:50):
recreations and techno mountain outdoors where they were taught. They
were teaching backpacking, rock climbing, whitewater kayaking, came and much more.
And this is these people know what they're doing out
in the wilderness.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
That's for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, So Tim did some international guiding in Ecuador, South America,
leading groups on c to summit expeditions for a month
at a time. Hey, if I go in the wilderness,
I'm going to take these two with me. Now theseus Yeah,
the Vogel brothers say, I have related How nice. And
(07:27):
they've been doing Bigfoot research and investigations since twenty thirteen
and have some great stories about their encounters and experiences
with Bigfoot. Can't wait to hear this. Both Eric and
Tim have had visual sightings and various other potential Bigfoot experiences.
They've also cast a number of different potential Bigfoot tracks
(07:50):
taken over the years. They have five primary locations they
investigate in western mass which is where they live and
are now doing investigations to out the northeast. Guys, welcome
to the show.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Hi, how are you you here?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah? This is fabulous. You have had some incredible experiences
and we can't wait to hear those. And you are
very experienced in the wilderness, so you've got everything. You've
got all the boxes checked her for us. Now, would
you like me to share my big foot story with you?
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Absolutely? Yeah, I have to say absolutely.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
We'll start with this one and then please take us
away from here. But what happened was when we first
bought this property, it was wall to wall tree, so
we had to clear a spot to the house and
my husband hired these two guys, and there was a
trailer that the previous owner had and it was parked
way up on top of the woods. So they stayed
(08:53):
in the trailer and one night something started knocking on
the trailer on the side of it, like pounding on it,
and they were scared to death because here they are.
You know what it's like up here, you are out
in the middle of nowhere. It was not a person.
(09:14):
So they looked through the windows and they saw glowing
red eyes and this thing would not stop banging on
the trailer. So they called up the next morning and
they said, we are never going back. Goodbye. So that
was the end of the people that we hired to property.
(09:38):
So they had their own experience. They were quite terrified,
and terrified enough where they didn't care how much money
we were going to pay them right to come back.
So there you have it, right, So tell us, how
did you guys that bigfoot was something you wanted to investigate?
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Well, it's not something that we were planning on investigating, right,
It just kind of happened. Basically.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
It was some we got into as kids, and then
when we were doing wilderness trips and guiding. We ended
up guiding in twenty thirteen on a canoe trip out
in New York and New York State. And the you know,
the long story short is when we were up there,
we had what we thought was a bigfoot experience up
(10:29):
in the up in the outer aroundecks, up on this
wilderness lake. And that's kind of how we went over
the deep end and said, yeah, there's something more to.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
This than you know, and we see bigfoot or did
you hear the vocalizations? How did you know it was bigfoot?
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Well, the story is we heard it. We heard it,
we didn't actually see it. But so here we are,
we're camping, it's in the middle of in the middle.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
And we're going on a camping trip and it's just us.
So we planned it in the middle of the week
so the woods would be empty.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
People were at work.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
It's late September, people were in school, so we thought
the woods are pretty empty.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
We get out to this place that we go. It
was a very difficult paddle and portage trip to get to,
so it's a couple of days to get there, paddle, canoe,
portage and camp to get there. When we get there,
we decide we're going to set up camp, and then
we went fishing on our way there. We're doing some
(11:35):
fly fishing and we got to this spot where we
were fly fishing and basically dinner went out the window.
And it was just about the fishing trip because it
was it was like a fish story, right. It was
awful if you liked the fish. I had a great
time all the paddling and he was fishing, but it
was still a good time regarded us. So we come
(11:57):
in and we uh, there's this confluence where a stream
comes into the lake. We go up into the stream
and the streams go on.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
There's a lot of extraneous noise in the background. Is
that coming from your location.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
It's very possible it's possible.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Oh okay, I didn't know if you could close the
door or something.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
This time it's not me.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Yeah. No. So we were sitting there and uh, we're
on this canoe trip and yeah, Eric's particular, we're in
a canoe t Yeah, this this tree starts shaking, you know, oh,
like crazy. There's two trees now that are shaking. And
(12:43):
there there. You know, we went back a year later
and these trees that were shaking are eight to ten
inches around, they're almost eight feet apart. We don't know
any of this at this point. All we know is
we're fishing, and we start fishing over a beaver dam
and you know, regular beaver dam, and all of a sudden,
these two trees start shaking like they're in a snow globe.
(13:05):
Like the whole forest is quiet, but these two trees
are shaken like an incredible I don't even know, it's
just very surreal. And then there's roaring starts. Yeah, the roaring,
the yelling, the screaming. Yeah, it was so loud and
very determined that you could feel it bouncing off of
(13:27):
your body.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Interesting thing, you say, because we've heard from some of
our other bigfoot guests It's a sound that just goes
right through you. It just so so resonant.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
This was like being at a Ted Neugene concert right there.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
You know, wangos eas Ago and war and he just
nails it in your whole and you feel everything. Yeah,
this noise, the tree shaking and the yelling and screaming, roaring,
it didn't stop. It went on for ten minutes anyway,
probably more. We didn't have a phone. We were all fishing. Yeah,
back then, we didn't have it auto, you know, didn't
(14:07):
have any of that stuff. So we just so. Anyways,
this thing starts or things start getting louder, and it
seemed like more aggressive in just the tone. And as
the trees are shaking, stuff's coming into the water and splashing,
and it's still yelling and screaming. It hasn't stopped, hasn't stopped.
Just it literally was. It was loud enough and scary
(14:28):
enough to push us all halfway out into the lake
to make sure that we were fire enough away. And
even then we weren't sure.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, now did that scare you? I mean, how did
you feel about this?
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Yeah, that's the thing we ended up. That's what it
means by being pushed out. This thing was so aggressive
sounding that we backed up into the lake to put
some distance be down us, yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Because it was so mad that, I mean, we didn't
know what it was to beget. And so this went
on for I don't know, ten fifteen minutes now, and
then as quick as it started, it starts just like that.
And we just kind of sat there in the canoe
and kind of listened for a while. Then we looked
at each other and started paddling, and then we got
up to where our campsite was, and it was on
(15:11):
the same side, about a half mile away from where
this all took place. Oh. Yeah, it was a it
was a sleepless night. There was no going to the
parking lot and they get in your truck. Yeah, there
was no just going home one hundred yards down the
river bank. This just happened, you know. And that's the
(15:31):
good thing about going out there, because you're so far
back that you you usually you are by yourself, and
so we're out there, we have no idea what's going on.
We you know, we're just hearing this mess of noise
in this trees are shaping, you know, we're you know,
on the way back to our campsite. We're thinking maybe
it was a you know, a couple of mountain lions
(15:52):
and bears getting into it or something. Yeah, no idea.
Never even thought of Bigfoot. That didn't across our mind.
To be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
We thought up.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Bears and mountain lions because couldn't figure anything else. But
it just didn't stop for probably ten to fifteen minutes,
not stop at all. And later on, you know, going
back and talking to other people when we came back
and hearing other sounds on recordings and stuff, that's when
we put the two together and says, holy Mac, I
(16:22):
think we had an encounter and didn't even realize. Yes,
in Facebook and found some other people with similar experience,
so I wouldn't Yeah, I would say that at twenty
thirteen started the whole thing work trip was was what
it was. The kicker We you know, were guides. We
owned an adventure education business for you know, twenty years,
(16:43):
and we never heard this stuff in the woods ever, ever, ever,
and it was just, yeah, something I get in the
big foot world. You win the lottery, right, Yeah, that's
what we did. And we've been very fortunate to see
it a couple of times and and then actually witnessed
different other experiences whistles, whoops.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Rocks, certain areas in western mass where they are likely
to be.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
That's anywhere in western mats where Oh yeah, And I
think that's because of our terrain, our watershed, you know, uh,
food source source. You know, most of our most of
our stories come back, even if they're old stories. You know,
we just I just took a report last night from
a guy in Connecticut, uh in nineteen seventy six. He's
(17:38):
telling me about this story, and it happened in the summertime,
near the fall. Well, the reason why I mentioned that
is because for us as a researcher, I'm looking for
patterns similar things that different things are happenings. Yeah, exactly.
Commit the dots create patterns, look not create, but look
at and see if there are patterns and how to
(18:00):
make that happen. So what we've seen with reports and
things like that within the summer too late fall into winter,
that's our big that's our busiest time. And we equate
it to the harvest you know availability. Yeah, you know,
stuff is going on the ground early and it's coming
(18:21):
out late. You know, you can get November December and
there's there's all kinds of gardens and you know, hort
farms and you name it out you you live out
in one of the countriest towns, and I.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Say, god, well, and I've heard that bigfoot is also
not just attracted to stuff we're growing, but grain. It's
a big thing that they like. And I know some
dairy farmers that have had big foot encounters because it
graight out for the cows. They could want some pickens.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Something, you know. I mean, you got to remember it's
an animal and if it can get an easy meal,
it's going to go for it.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
That's a good point in a farm.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Grain, hay, place to sleep, stay warm. You know. It
could be a whole barns, you know, tucked up in
the side, and the grain could be you know, leftover bags,
things like that, any of that stuff. There's reports of
all that kind of you know, similar behaviors where they've
seen bigfoots and barns.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Not saying that and here in western mass but throughout
the country there's been other reports.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
It's similar.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
What about caves, because you are very experienced with caves
in the area, So do they live in caves?
Speaker 5 (19:31):
I would, Well, there's a section around here in the
Beckett area, we'll go with that. Caves, quarries, things like that,
and there's large fissures, cracks in the earth kind of
things where they could absolutely potentially be There have been
reports out of the quarries. Yeah, this whole area, our
our neighborhood is a very active area. There's all these
(19:54):
towns in the hill towns that go around Gateway. Everything
has activities. Just talk to a woman up in Northington, Yes,
a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, So it's just if
we have we have the habitat I believe.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
We have.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
I don't know if we have habituation where they live here.
I think that might be a stretch because I think
we'd find it more often. But you know, I think
you'd have more encounters. I think if there was something,
if there were more memohile, I think that's a more
transient than hang out.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Right across from me is Cobble Mountain, and apparently there
have been quite a number of sightings there and footprints
that have been found. Yes, do you think that's one?
And that's there's nothing else up there? Right, It's just Forrest.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
That's it. It's just Forrest. There's been reports on a cobble.
There's been reports out of Littleville. Yeah, Nightville right here
at our camp in Russell, the camp and run the
water shed in Russell, and and I know to the
police allowed to report there. The one thing that Tim
and I really tried to pushing and get what to
(21:09):
do is open up because we know there's there's a
lot more not being said or talked about.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Well, I agree because a long time ago book I
heard a story about a man in Chester who had
had a big foot encounter and he told people about it,
and of course everybody just said he was crazy and
made fun of him. So that kind of dissuaded other
people from telling it, which is a show. But people
(21:35):
can be pretty small minded, as you know, and they
don't understand that bigfoot's have been here forever, so they're
just trying to find a way to make fun of
other people, and it really takes away from your research
and being able patterns together.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
It's not a typical science. It's not the zoology. It's
it's uh, you know, it's the skill sets that it
takes to find all that evidence, uh and then trying
to put it together. You know, it's it's mythical stuff
in the science world, so there's there's not a lot
of you know, there's not a lot of faith. You know,
(22:13):
it's all here saying it's who says what. And today
with AI it's very very difficult, very difficult. You know,
we're we're always trying to open the door so people
can come in and talk to us, even if it's
one on one. You know, we we have we have
a lot, we do outings, We go and talk at
the libraries, so we're opening it up. We're trying to
(22:34):
bring it out there so they'll open up to us
because we want those people that have that story that
got laughed at believe me, we've heard it all already. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
The best contact you is to your Facebook page right.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Right, Facebook page or the Cobble Mountain Critic, either one,
either one of those.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Absolutely all right, everybody, if you've got a story, you've
got to contact the Vocal Brothers and talk to them
about it so they can all this together and find
out what's really going on in our wilderness. A lot
more than we could even imagine, I really think.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
So, oh, I agree, there's a lot happening right here
in Western mass You know, we can sit here and
talk another hour and a half, two hours just in
western mass Wow, doesn't bring in Connecticut or New York
or any of that other stories that we've had.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Just mask tell us some of the stories of encounters
that have happened here.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
All right, actual encounters where we've seen a bigfoot, all right?
Telling me we well, let's see, we can go back
to twenty eighteen. Was it twenty eighteen? In June? We
were up in Stavoi. We were we were on an expedition.
(23:54):
There was about fourteen of us, twelve fourteen of us.
That's one of the good things about our our claims
when we say we had a seat sighting or something
like that. But we did these expeditions. We've had plenty
of witnesses. Oh yeah, we weren't the only ones that
actually saw these things. That's the best part, you know.
So what happened was we were help here at the camp.
(24:16):
There were fourteen of us, and we were spending the weekend.
On a Saturday night, We're in this field here and uh,
it's about one two o'clock in the morning. It was dark.
We had a fleer and I was standing there with
this gentleman from Pizer. He worked at Pfizer, and the
sun was looking at a mouse running around through the fleer,
(24:37):
and about one hundred and one hundred yards away in
this open field, there was this ball of orange light
just sitting there fifteen twenty feet off the ground. But
the light was committing inside, not out, and it just
sat there for about ten fifteen seconds. We just kind
of looked at each other and I, I know, there's
(25:00):
nothing there. I've been here a hundred times, you know,
I mean, he lives here, So I just kind of
looked at him. We looked back, and we just watched
this thing just kind of slowly go in the here
and leave, just gone. The next day, we all went
out to Savoy State Forest and we went to one spot.
(25:22):
It was raining really hard. No one wanted to get
out and walk in, so we drove off to another
spot and we got out. The rain slowed down up.
Ten twelve guys got out and some stayed back. So
we walked into the woods. This point where we were
walking to a place called Balanced Rock in the state forest,
(25:45):
two guys went up in front of us. The father
son went up in front of us, had a go
pro the group walked in the middle, and then these
two guys liked the lag behind. They like to watch
to see if anything's watching the group. So yeah, it's
sort of like a real you know.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Too.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Yeah, right, So we get up to balance rocket. We're
standing there and it's it's been raining now for about
three four days and it's misty rain, and we asked
if anybody wanted to make a make a big foot call,
and this little boy said, yeah, sure, so he gave
out a whoop. The minute that he did the whoop,
(26:27):
second or two later, the two guys that were behind
us come walking up front, come running up to us
and said, hey, we got we've got whistles back here. Wow,
it wouldn't have been three seconds later the guy that
was up there with a GoPro sent the sunback and says,
we got knocks up up in front. So we just
kind of walked into the woods. Now, we kind of
(26:49):
walked in and took over like a forty five degree angle.
There were fifteen people, twelve fifteen people, and we're just
standing there and I'm was standing on this little rock
and I have an orange jacket and everybody else was
in dark clothes and in June. There were you know,
it was raining, it was nice and green and full,
(27:09):
and I was bending down to see if I could
see leg movement from bear, deer, whatever, and all of
a sudden, I saw this black thing standing there, and
I was like, that wasn't there a second ago. So
I stood up and I was looking at it, and
then I leaned to my left like I was trying
(27:31):
to look around something to get a better look at it,
and it bent over and it started leaning and looking
at me, and then it stood up, or when I
stood up, it stood up, and I went, oh, my god,
it's right there.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
And that's how it was just same thing.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
There were two of us that saw it at the
exact same time, at two different angles. We come in
this gentleman and I come into the same go pro
frame at the exact same time pointing at it. We
were we were running towards it, and the guy with
the GoPro was standing in between us in front of
a tree, and right behind the tree was where I
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saw it. I took Tim back the next day with
me and we brought I brought back my entire evidence kit,
and I said, so we gotta we gotta figure out
how far away this was. So we got out the
range finder. He went down to where I saw it
at the tree. We were forty yards I was forty
yards from it. He lifted his hand and I said, no,
(28:32):
you got to go higher than that. So he got
a stick and he raised his hat up and kept going,
kept going, and then I had him stop. It was
almost nine feet tall.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Oh my goodness, it.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Was as wide as a sheet of plywood. That's all
I can All I saw was like a head down
to down the shoulders and it went down to about
the waist. The gentleman that was to my right saw
from the waist down because there was a big tree
laying there. So when we went back and we measured
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all of this off him come walking. Tim comes walking
around the tree and in this one mossy section there
is a print seventeen and a half inches long, nine
inches wide at the ball in about five and a
half inches at the heel. Yeah, well it was similar
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to this one. It's not that one, but that's the
one we just got. Those came from the same place.
Those are juvenis. Those are yeah, weekly, those are and
those are that's from the that's from the exact same
area where I saw mine. The other ones is like
it's on dental stone. I don't know if you have those.
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It's like a yellowish color with you, me and Eric
together holding a cast. So Eric's holding the one with
the dental stone. That's the one that he took in June.
We went back and cast that next day. So in
June we go out and we're going back to this
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spot up at Savoy. We get up there and we
find the spot. Like Eric said, we're doing the recreation
how big it is and how tall and all that,
and then we started looking at a circular pattern for tracks.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Now.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
We're looking outward from where he saw it for tracks now,
and that's when we cut this big track and it
was a pretty impressive track. It was a huge heel strike.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
That went down two and a half three inches deep
into the ground and then it faded off into the
toes and then the second track was a foot the
ball of the foot where the toes were, and we
were able to get an impression of that as well,
so it was like a heel toe impressions.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
And they were, yeah, that's second track was seven feet away,
seven feet away, Yeah, and them and We only got
the ball of that because the toes rubbed up, rubbed
the cross the root that was there, and peeled the
bark them. So you know there's a tree root, so
you couldn't you know, you can't cast that. But we
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did get. The reason why we cast the two tracts
was because the ball and the heel are the exact
same depth, so it had to be from the same
creature that was same weight, it was the same way,
same way they made the same track or something that
impression made the same track. So it's the.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Size is just incredible. But it's interesting that they do
make the knocking sound, and they do the calls and
all of that. But have you heard of anybody who
was attacked by one or hurt in any way. I
mean they've been there's stories to the ears, but what
about here? Are they just.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Land? No? The most aggressive.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Was a story I took in October Mountain State Forest
of a hunter that went in there, went camping overnight,
and he thought he was surrounded probably three or four
particular creatures potentially, and they were around his camp and
they literally tore the woods up around his camp, scaring
them the Jesus out of him. He never left because
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he was too afraid to leave. But the next day
when he could.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Get out, he got on his squad and left, and
you know, he didn't go back, didn't go hunting, didn't
do any of that, but he did report it to me,
and he didn't want to go back at all. So
we weren't able. Yeah, he told me where it was.
We were able to go and kind of bushwhack through
the woods, but you know it was without him actually
(32:47):
going back and showing it. We didn't find the exact location.
But October Mountain it has, you know, plenty of history
in its own right. Yeah. Absolutely, and not not just
in the in the paranormal encrypted that they do. Both
they've had UFO sightings up in there and place mountains.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
More about because I'm lost, I'm geographically challenged.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
There is October Mountain.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Ok October Mountains, two mountaintops from you. It's in Beckett. Yeah,
it's over on Beckett.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Off the Root eight Okay.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Mountain Washington Mountain Road.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yes, I know where that is. Okay, that's where the.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Opperation Trail crosses the road. No, you'll see the sign there,
says Appalation Trail North Maine, Georgia.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
And that's that.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Would be October Mountains, so that would be the area
of October Mountain.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
State for well, gosh, darn it. I did not know
that they were having UFO sightings over there anything recent,
not that.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
I know of. I just know that I've talked to
a few people that have put in reports of that.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Okay, and Annie.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
The little ten year old girl, that the ghost girl
that walks around with a white uh, with a white dress. Oh,
she's an old town, old settlement. There's an old cemetery
in there, cemetery. They all died at a young age. Oh,
it's an interesting place. If you want come on up
on August eighteenth, we're having a get together here. We
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are right there, right there, right there.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
You can't refuse that invitation.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Come on up.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Absolutely absolutely, gosh. Well, I had no idea we had
all this. I know we had quite a bit of excitement.
But you're really validating a lot of paranormal activity for
this whole area.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
This is great, amazing. It is a hot spot in Blanford.
I won't say where, but uh. They sent a couple
sent us a recording of a howl. We sent that
to our guy I down in.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
North Caro, Pennsylvania, other and he does linguistics work, and
he was another one that says it was in the
realm or it wasn't within the realm of a person.
So it was certainly the potential for a bigfoot. And
there's you know, they have their meters engages that they
go by and if you know, if a person can
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make these you know, audiable sounds, then he doesn't even
qualify it because it could potentially be a person. And
when they're out of these upper ranges, then then he
just says, yeah, you've got my attention. And so these
these howls that we have from this couple in Blamford,
he was very convinced actually that you know, that was
(35:44):
a good bigfoot. Hel Oh, yeah, that's right. And Black, Yeah,
you know, just about said that that's what it was.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
It took everything else out of the out of the
out of the pictures, what else.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
You can narrow it down. Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
I can also here coyotes in the background, which you know,
we've had experiences in the past where you know, coyotes,
it could be a symbiotic relationship with the coyotes in
the bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Well, it does seem that they have extrasensory perception that
they're able to disappear whenever they want and go into wherever,
another dimension or something. But there's a lot of reports
about that. Even in david second movie.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
We've actually had it happen. That's why he started off
with that ORB, because you know, we've had a couple
of experiences where Bigfoot is associated with an actual ORB
within the same story. In October Beginning or end or whatever.
In October Mountain, there were twelve of us and we
watched it happen. So we've got another expedition we were doing.
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People come out and you know, they pay you to
take them on an expedition. They're hoping there's a resona
count or you know something that they you know, hey,
we're going on a big Foot thing. Maybe we'll get lucky.
Maybe we will, maybe we won't. Nine out of ten
times we don't. But this happened to be.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
You know, we go to places where we're getting recent
reports and activity stuff that we go and we see
and then we know we have this kind of activity
through track traps, et cetera. And so anyways, we go
and we do this investigation and then we go on
and we take people out, or we used to, and
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on this particular night, it was probably midnight, maybe a
little laughter, and we're up at Felton.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
Pond in October, Mountain State.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
For us, there's, like you said, a dozen or so people,
and one of the guys that were with us, Chuck,
he had mentioned two things are happening at once. Chuck
mentions this smell and this odor, and almost simultaneously, one
of the other guys is up looking through a fleer
across the pond at something that's pacing or what looks
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to be pacing back and forth, and through a fleer
at one hundred yards.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
It was you know, you couldn't really take a photo
of it because it's too pixelated, because you're you're right
at the max of the flear. It only goes on
drizzle rain, And.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
It was I got a question. They want us to
know what flour is. It's forward looking in for red.
Can you explain a little bit about how that works?
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Well, kind of like that picture you have on the screen,
what that's showing is as I'm looking through the viewfinder,
I'm seeing the heat signature. So all those red spots
and on the flere. You can change the color tones.
They could be blue, purple, whatever color you want to
represent heat from white hot to this year happened to
be red orange. And then you know it's just an indicator.
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So when you're sweeping the flare through the woods and
all of a sudden you get this red glow, you
know it could be a deer, could be a skunk, porcupine,
It could be a mouse, could be an out the
big Foot. You know, this happens to be some investigators
we were with, this was up in the club and
a number of years ago, and it was cool.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
We had car hearts on and and that was still
a clear a heat signature coming through winter gear.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Wow, incredible.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
Clear. It's just it's a it's a piece of equipment
that really helps us when we're out there at night
because at nighttime you can't see anything. This helps you
see at least two hundred yards away.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Well, let me ask you, amazing PK and I were
talking about this, what would be your dream come true
Bigfoot experience?
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Right here in camp? I just have to walk out
the door, walking across the.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yard, there is if you may so be see you
right or her close up would be fabulous, right.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
I personally, considering I've seen it at forty yards, I
would like to have a very clearer picture of what
I was looking at, you know, because I know what
I saw and I know what it was, because I
know what it was. Yeah, so I would just want
a clearer picture, That's what I would like. Yeah, and
(40:17):
ours were visuals, you know, farther away. We didn't have
that picture perfect. So for me, I want to make
eye contact with it with his thing, so it knows
that it's looking at me and I'm looking at it,
and we've seen each other. And now let's go to
the next time. You know, we take a solid, clear,
non blurry picture.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Have you thought of leaving some trail cams up there?
Speaker 5 (40:41):
We do. We do. That's part of our active investigator
we do. We leave, we leave cameras, we leave recorders.
So we do it, and we put our cameras all
at different heights, from up twelve feet down down to
you know, putting a half off the ground. You know,
we move them different angles. But yeah, we hide them
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in bark just you know, so that they visually can't
be noticed. So quick we have a product a couple
of little hunting shirts, you know things that we use.
It's called hex and it's a it's like a Faraday cage.
Just basically is this carbon fiber woven through your clothing
and it provides it eliminates almost your electrical output. So
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if a meter goes over you, it kind of scans
you like this. You know it's going to register until
it gets in front of you, and then it's not,
and then it's going to disappear. So our body is
a lot of electrical output. We're doing it right now.
And what this does, this this outfit for hunting, it
reduces your electrical output. And for animals that may be
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able to see that version of whatever the electrical output
may be, they can see it clearly. And if you
see a wild turkey, they are so on spot. So
the ending that you are perfect in the woods. Otherwise
they're gone, you know, the maining they see you, poof,
they're gone. So you have to be hidden really well.
The fool turkeys and this stuff here, you can gain
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them almost walking up to you. You know, as far
as other animals, they don't even know you're there. You know,
your your output just isn't there. So it's definitely a thing. Yeah,
we're it's something that we're in the process of trying
to see if it worked, if it'll work for us.
So we're wrapping cameras in this stuff, and uh, maybe
Hex will sponsor some material we can wrap more cameras.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Great. Yeah, you know, you may be interested in doctor
Johnson's work because he had a life changing Bigfoot encounter
out west. He's a psychologist and he was interviewed by
Joe Rogan and a whole bunch of big people because of,
you know, his psychology. He was a big name in
psychology too. But what he did is fascinating. We've had
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him on the show several times. He decided to go
with a relational type of experience, so he would leave
food out for them. I guess we've they like what
cinnamon rolls and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Yes, jump food junkies.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
But he began a relationship with the tribe of them
to the point where they now have people come to
this property and they get to see them and communicate
with them. But guess what happened. The FBI decided that
they wanted in on this, so they trespassed on his property.
He has Matt has huge parabolic microphones set up so
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they could hear the FBI agents stocking to each other.
That's how they knew they were there. And it was
so incredible that here's the FBI and we all know
they've been up one side and down the other of
UFO abductees. But I didn't know that they would be
interest did in this, and they were. They turned out
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they had a whole bunch of them on his property,
broke into his house, bogged his everything so that they
could listen on what he's So isn't it But it
definitely is. Here's Matt who's done his best to develop
a trusting relationship with Big fun. So, but you may
be interested in his work because you may pick up
(44:25):
a few things you may want to try yourselves.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
Absolutely, we're always looking to the better our research.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah. Well, he's really really well known for what he's done.
He's received a lot of criticism for it. He's not
a hunter. He's going there to find out more about
who they are, and he's got quite a bit of information.
So I'll make sure to get you his name and
his books and things like that.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
But you could tell.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Them what you're doing here. But this is so exciting
to hear all of what you're doing and all of
the experiences that you're having. Now, what about anybody else
bigfoot crossing the road, because that's been known to happen
where some people have caught that on camera. Has anybody
caught that up here in Western mass.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Yes, we had a couple of years ago. Beckett.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
Beckett is a is a nice spot. It has a
lot of activity. Potentially has something to do with the
quarry up there.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Maybe, yes, Maybe it's a possibility because is it a
granite quarry up there?
Speaker 5 (45:32):
Yes, And there's plenty of places to crawl into and
just hide away.
Speaker 6 (45:40):
So in Chester they got the emory minds and things
like that. Up on Gobble Mountain, up on the top
of that fire tower is in Chester, there's a small
mines and stuff that's you know, there's all possibilities.
Speaker 5 (45:55):
Yeah, I don't think they're living in it. Like I said,
I think there they could potentially have had him there
for a night or two, but I don't think you should.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
I'll tell you this, but I used to study years
ago with a Cherokee Native American medicine woman, and she
told me the story of how she knew where their
camps were where they were actually living, and this was
out in the Midwest, and she would take a bunch
of her students with her, and she said she stopped
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doing it because she would get so far and then
the Bigfoot would start coming towards them and all of
her students would pass out. So he said, well, forget
about this, these people are no good. Just three times
and she said, that's it. I'm not taking you people
any foot said it was something about seeing those big
(46:47):
shapes coming something in our subconscious mind and we just
we can't handle it.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
You know.
Speaker 6 (46:57):
It's funny, well say that because at first time we've
experienced what we think is infrasound.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
That's a whole nuther.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yes, that's a great thing.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
Yeah, the thing you're just talking about.
Speaker 6 (47:07):
We just got off the phone with maybe a half Yeah,
up in the South Shore, I believe, I think that's
where they're on the South Shore. They're up there in
near Boston. Anyway, anything past to the Connecticut River AATs Boston.
So anyways, they're over there in their Boston and they
think they just had an experience out there with two
potential Bigfoot and one of them is claiming he's sick
(47:31):
right now, and it had all the symptoms of people
that complain about you know, things like that. You know,
granted it could be the twenty four hour Bug two,
but this was you know, fairly quick on set.
Speaker 5 (47:43):
It was right after this happened, so there could be
something to be said about that. I half heard of
that happening.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah, because they seem to have power over our own consciousness.
And they have, because I've heard of people that have
spotted the Bigfoot. They've made eye contact. Next thing they know,
they find themselves walking in the opposite direction and they're like,
what am I doing? And why they have no control?
But it's that infrasound.
Speaker 5 (48:11):
That turned them around and walk them out.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
And I was told that they are able to do that.
That vibration comes from their bones, you know, it's big
bones that they have so.
Speaker 5 (48:23):
Big creatures, so that infrasound they are We're sitting there.
This is another expedition we've done. Now we're up in
in uh closer to my neighborhood is where the heck
are we? This the waterfall there? Oh, Sanderson Brook Falls.
Thank you guys, bring for it's on our chefter Blanford line. Yes,
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I'm Route twenty.
Speaker 6 (48:46):
And you got the park right there, lumber yard on
the other side of the road, so you've got Sanderson
Brook Falls. When you walk up, it's a beautiful cascading waterfall.
We're doing another investigation and we happen to be there
because the week before we had some potential activity there.
So there's a good half a dozen or so of
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us on the mountain at this point. There's five of
us together, me, Eric Jeene, Tewksbury, uh, his son Chris,
and and Bob, Bob, Bob.
Speaker 5 (49:18):
I forgetting your name, Bob, but you were there, but
so Bob was there and uh, so we're all sitting
there right and it's it's a little bit past midnight.
Where now this place is, uh, it's up, you know.
Down to the creek is a cliff, then there's a
fire road and then it's up. So this is nothing
but steep. You're not walking, there's no trails. There's a
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fire road that's more like a switch back into the
side of this hill and that's that's all there is.
There's no it's that steep.
Speaker 6 (49:48):
So people ain't up there at two o'clock in the morning,
one o'clock in the morning pranking us.
Speaker 5 (49:54):
So we're sitting there, right, and it's there's five of us.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Let me just say that we're coming to the really
have about four minutes left.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
So we're sitting there and all of a sudden we
hear this rock falling down the hill and you know,
I'm on my elbows laying down in this fire road,
and all of a sudden, I'm scrambling to get up
and this noise stops. So we kind of blew it off. Okay,
we got lucky, I guess.
Speaker 6 (50:19):
And then a few minutes later, this thump, this loud thump,
sounds like a giant rock hit the ground right behind Eric,
and you know, there was literally no impressions, no rock,
nothing was disturbing.
Speaker 5 (50:34):
So it was interestyle for sure. Yeah, yes, we all
got up, we all, you know, it shook us all
to the point we're now standing up wondering what we
just heard. And there was literally nothing there there, Something
rolled down the hill right there, because.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Right, you didn't have any sickness from it, but you
just heard something there.
Speaker 5 (50:55):
Right, Yeah, that was more of a And then the
following day I go back with Eric, and you guys
can at that My wife and I we were. We
went out and you know, we had basically got escorted
out of the woods. This thing was up above us
now making noises, breaking branches things like that, and it
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kind of just escorted us out of the woods. We
just didn't stick around. We were already up near the waterfall.
We started hearing the noises. That was my cue to
get out. I wasn't going to be up there with
her and have something happened. So we just got out
and left. I went back with Eric, and then that
stick came from. Yeah. I took the whole tree, the
whole sapling right with us.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Wow, just incredible.
Speaker 5 (51:40):
Well and that's here in western mass.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, this is incredible. Yes, well, I'm so thrilled because
now I p K when you come, we're going to
have to sit out by the campfire right for them
to come visit.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
I think that's a good ideas there you go.
Speaker 5 (51:55):
I've had a lot of activities sitting around the campfire.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Yeah, that's right. We have got to give it a
try before we get into winter.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
So definitely before winter. You guys are about cower to
get circled.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
So tell everybody again how to get a hold of
you Cobble Mountain Critter project on Facebook. They can message
you there and are there ways for them to call
you if they need to talk to you about their
own experiences?
Speaker 6 (52:24):
Yeah, right there on the Cobble Mountain Critter you can
go to contact. Go right to contact, it'll come and
send us.
Speaker 5 (52:29):
An email right away, or catch us right on Facebook
and send us to.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yeah, you guys out there, If you've got photographs or
you have anything on audio, make sure you send it
to these guys because they're keeping track of it all.
Speaker 5 (52:46):
Yes, this twentieth, we'll be down the Souftwick Library talking Bigfoot.
She said it was a sold out program already.
Speaker 6 (52:53):
So if you're one of those people, come with questions
we you know, things like that, and we want to
hear your story and.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
When and is that in Souffolk August twentieth. Okay, everybody,
August twentieth, very good library. If you want to hear more. Oh,
this has been great, it is, Thank you so much.
It's such a pleasure. We're going to have you back. Awesome,
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cover all this other stuff out and everything else. And
if you have any more exciting experiences, be sure to
reach out and schedule another time for you to come back.
Sometimes this show is too short. We just can't get
to it.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
I know, double hitters.
Speaker 5 (53:35):
I know.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
Well, thank you so much, guys, so it's great it was.
Next week we'll be back everybody with another terrific show.
Until then, we'll see you on the Blue Highway. Good Night,
good night,
Our angels, ghosts and Bigfoot. Oh why, it's just another
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life's biggest supernatural mysteries. And now for another exciting interview
with paranormal experts from this world and others. Here's your host,
paranormal researcher Patricia Baker on the One the Only Supernatural Girls.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Welcome everyone to another exciting episode of Supernatural Girls. I'm
your host, Patricia Baker, and I'm here with the magnificent
p K p K. How are you you.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Fabulous with that intro? Oh my god, Yes, doing pretty good, honey,
even even with the heat. Good gritters are eating my
plants I have. I have some outfront water every day,
and I had some pots that were a little lower
than others because they're in plots around here because of
(01:21):
the ground right, and I've got my god, I don't
know what they went through it. It looks like they
went through the scissors all the way across. I'm going
to put a light up there. I'm going to be
on guard tonight because there's anything left there going to
be meat tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's right. You've got to take care of those plants.
That's really spooking. What it is.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Well, they don't care what they eat as long as
I'm going to be more careful.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I know you have a lot of coyotes out there,
have a m.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
And they're really good to take up the ground. But
for the most part, ground squirrels are all over the place.
But I got they've multiplied and there's still coming in masks.
Never seen so many groundhog holes and that all over
the yard. Oh no, you got to be careful when
you walk out because you can realize it. Yep, that's
why I've made it a plan just to stay inside. Good,
(02:16):
nothing to do with the heat or the hole. Just
stand side, stay there. Yeah, let's take it a look
at some things we were talking about earlier. Yes, this
is a month that you're gonna find You're going to
probably dream a lot more during a seven day month
or a year, and right now we're in a seven month.
(02:36):
You tend to dream more. You have more issues trying
to sleep. More sleep is required because you just can't
seem to get into what you think is a normal
way of being. You more restless. Dreams awake you when
you wake up. It's almost like you're missing something and
you keep trying to find that piece that's missing. But
(02:57):
this is true, and it will be true for the
rest of this month because it is a seven month. Also,
August for everyone is a review of last year. To
make a note of that, because there might be some
things you might want to tidy up a little bit.
So we take a look at these three months, August, September,
(03:17):
and October. August is a review of last year. September
will be a review of this year, and October a
preview of next year.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
That and we right now are in a retrograde, so
be careful what you sign, be careful what you say,
and know that if you're not sitting on a cushion,
you might get a bite where you sit.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh boy, And like you said, this is going to
effect and it has for me apply definitely. Ours phones, everything,
communications of all kinds.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
And anything electronic tends to break down during the retrograde too.
So if it's broken down, let it be until it's
over with. So I keep taking it.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
And if.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I ask you, how many people are dealing with these
robo calls?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
A lot?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Oh my god, I've had eleven yesterday. I had eighteen
the day before I've had so far, I've had sixteen
to day. You know what I paid for my phone line.
But you can't take your cause because and then when
you answer it not knowing whether it is. Sometimes it
tells you that it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Sometimes it does yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
But you get in there and they start right in
and what they're trying to deal with it. I say,
you know what I pay for this line, why are
you using it? But you look at all the numbers
that they put it in places that they're coming from.
Somebody's getting screwed big time because they're paying for stuff
they're not getting and we're getting run over by stuff
(04:48):
we don't want.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I know, it's terrible. I know in the past they've
tried to get this under control, but it's really still
out of control. They got to night from Syria. Oh
in the middle of the night. That's fun. So but
hopefully with this retro grade and you've got what another
two weeks at least of.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
This about a week about a week a week. Yeah,
we'll say that the chef it's over with. But the
bottom line is there's nothing we can do about this.
I called the phone company and I said, hey, They said, well,
if you do this. We'll do this and two days
you won't get hardy any calls. Helloney, I think they
plugged me into a switchboard. It's incredible. But it's for
(05:35):
people that have a business out of their home. Well
that's right, because you don't know what you're getting. You
don't know, say no business.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I know.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I've learned to swear a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, good for you. Well, tonight we're going to go
to a place we love to be, which is talking
about Bigfoot. We love Bigfoot. We love all the people
we've had on the show who've talked about Bigfoot, from
their language, to personal experiences, to their calls that we've heard.
(06:07):
And it's even with Matt Johnson. Now he's got the
FBI on his behind, invading his house, his property, everything.
It's been crazy for him. We'll get into that. So anyways,
I do have my own Bigfoot story, but I will
share when we introduce our guests.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Indeed, good girl.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
So we have two fabulous guests who are from right
around the corner from me. They are yes, this is
so cool. So we have Tim, who is a ranger,
and Eric is a retired city employee and wilderness guide.
My god, they are involved with all kinds of adventure
(06:50):
recreations and techno mountain outdoors where they were taught. They
were teaching backpacking, rock climbing, whitewater kayaking, came and much more.
And this is these people know what they're doing out
in the wilderness.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
That's for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, So Tim did some international guiding in Ecuador, South America,
leading groups on c to summit expeditions for a month
at a time. Hey, if I go in the wilderness,
I'm going to take these two with me. Now theseus Yeah,
the Vogel brothers say, I have related How nice. And
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they've been doing Bigfoot research and investigations since twenty thirteen
and have some great stories about their encounters and experiences
with Bigfoot. Can't wait to hear this. Both Eric and
Tim have had visual sightings and various other potential Bigfoot experiences.
They've also cast a number of different potential Bigfoot tracks
(07:50):
taken over the years. They have five primary locations they
investigate in western mass which is where they live and
are now doing investigations to out the northeast. Guys, welcome
to the show.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Hi, how are you you here?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah? This is fabulous. You have had some incredible experiences
and we can't wait to hear those. And you are
very experienced in the wilderness, so you've got everything. You've
got all the boxes checked her for us. Now, would
you like me to share my big foot story with you?
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Absolutely? Yeah, I have to say absolutely.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
We'll start with this one and then please take us
away from here. But what happened was when we first
bought this property, it was wall to wall tree, so
we had to clear a spot to the house and
my husband hired these two guys, and there was a
trailer that the previous owner had and it was parked
way up on top of the woods. So they stayed
(08:53):
in the trailer and one night something started knocking on
the trailer on the side of it, like pounding on it,
and they were scared to death because here they are.
You know what it's like up here, you are out
in the middle of nowhere. It was not a person.
(09:14):
So they looked through the windows and they saw glowing
red eyes and this thing would not stop banging on
the trailer. So they called up the next morning and
they said, we are never going back. Goodbye. So that
was the end of the people that we hired to property.
(09:38):
So they had their own experience. They were quite terrified,
and terrified enough where they didn't care how much money
we were going to pay them right to come back.
So there you have it, right, So tell us, how
did you guys that bigfoot was something you wanted to investigate?
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Well, it's not something that we were planning on investigating, right,
It just kind of happened. Basically.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
It was some we got into as kids, and then
when we were doing wilderness trips and guiding. We ended
up guiding in twenty thirteen on a canoe trip out
in New York and New York State. And the you know,
the long story short is when we were up there,
we had what we thought was a bigfoot experience up
(10:29):
in the up in the outer aroundecks, up on this
wilderness lake. And that's kind of how we went over
the deep end and said, yeah, there's something more to.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
This than you know, and we see bigfoot or did
you hear the vocalizations? How did you know it was bigfoot?
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Well, the story is we heard it. We heard it,
we didn't actually see it. But so here we are,
we're camping, it's in the middle of in the middle.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
And we're going on a camping trip and it's just us.
So we planned it in the middle of the week
so the woods would be empty.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
People were at work.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
It's late September, people were in school, so we thought
the woods are pretty empty.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
We get out to this place that we go. It
was a very difficult paddle and portage trip to get to,
so it's a couple of days to get there, paddle, canoe,
portage and camp to get there. When we get there,
we decide we're going to set up camp, and then
we went fishing on our way there. We're doing some
(11:35):
fly fishing and we got to this spot where we
were fly fishing and basically dinner went out the window.
And it was just about the fishing trip because it
was it was like a fish story, right. It was
awful if you liked the fish. I had a great
time all the paddling and he was fishing, but it
was still a good time regarded us. So we come
(11:57):
in and we uh, there's this confluence where a stream
comes into the lake. We go up into the stream
and the streams go on.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
There's a lot of extraneous noise in the background. Is
that coming from your location.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
It's very possible it's possible.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Oh okay, I didn't know if you could close the
door or something.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
This time it's not me.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Yeah. No. So we were sitting there and uh, we're
on this canoe trip and yeah, Eric's particular, we're in
a canoe t Yeah, this this tree starts shaking, you know, oh,
like crazy. There's two trees now that are shaking. And
(12:43):
there there. You know, we went back a year later
and these trees that were shaking are eight to ten
inches around, they're almost eight feet apart. We don't know
any of this at this point. All we know is
we're fishing, and we start fishing over a beaver dam
and you know, regular beaver dam, and all of a sudden,
these two trees start shaking like they're in a snow globe.
(13:05):
Like the whole forest is quiet, but these two trees
are shaken like an incredible I don't even know, it's
just very surreal. And then there's roaring starts. Yeah, the roaring,
the yelling, the screaming. Yeah, it was so loud and
very determined that you could feel it bouncing off of
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your body.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Interesting thing, you say, because we've heard from some of
our other bigfoot guests It's a sound that just goes
right through you. It just so so resonant.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
This was like being at a Ted Neugene concert right there.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
You know, wangos eas Ago and war and he just
nails it in your whole and you feel everything. Yeah,
this noise, the tree shaking and the yelling and screaming, roaring,
it didn't stop. It went on for ten minutes anyway,
probably more. We didn't have a phone. We were all fishing. Yeah,
back then, we didn't have it auto, you know, didn't
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have any of that stuff. So we just so. Anyways,
this thing starts or things start getting louder, and it
seemed like more aggressive in just the tone. And as
the trees are shaking, stuff's coming into the water and splashing,
and it's still yelling and screaming. It hasn't stopped, hasn't stopped.
Just it literally was. It was loud enough and scary
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enough to push us all halfway out into the lake
to make sure that we were fire enough away. And
even then we weren't sure.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, now did that scare you? I mean, how did
you feel about this?
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Yeah, that's the thing we ended up. That's what it
means by being pushed out. This thing was so aggressive
sounding that we backed up into the lake to put
some distance be down us, yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Because it was so mad that, I mean, we didn't
know what it was to beget. And so this went
on for I don't know, ten fifteen minutes now, and
then as quick as it started, it starts just like that.
And we just kind of sat there in the canoe
and kind of listened for a while. Then we looked
at each other and started paddling, and then we got
up to where our campsite was, and it was on
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the same side, about a half mile away from where
this all took place. Oh. Yeah, it was a it
was a sleepless night. There was no going to the
parking lot and they get in your truck. Yeah, there
was no just going home one hundred yards down the
river bank. This just happened, you know. And that's the
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good thing about going out there, because you're so far
back that you you usually you are by yourself, and
so we're out there, we have no idea what's going on.
We you know, we're just hearing this mess of noise
in this trees are shaping, you know, we're you know,
on the way back to our campsite. We're thinking maybe
it was a you know, a couple of mountain lions
(15:52):
and bears getting into it or something. Yeah, no idea.
Never even thought of Bigfoot. That didn't across our mind.
To be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
We thought up.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Bears and mountain lions because couldn't figure anything else. But
it just didn't stop for probably ten to fifteen minutes,
not stop at all. And later on, you know, going
back and talking to other people when we came back
and hearing other sounds on recordings and stuff, that's when
we put the two together and says, holy Mac, I
(16:22):
think we had an encounter and didn't even realize. Yes,
in Facebook and found some other people with similar experience,
so I wouldn't Yeah, I would say that at twenty
thirteen started the whole thing work trip was was what
it was. The kicker We you know, were guides. We
owned an adventure education business for you know, twenty years,
(16:43):
and we never heard this stuff in the woods ever, ever, ever,
and it was just, yeah, something I get in the
big foot world. You win the lottery, right, Yeah, that's
what we did. And we've been very fortunate to see
it a couple of times and and then actually witnessed
different other experiences whistles, whoops.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Rocks, certain areas in western mass where they are likely
to be.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
That's anywhere in western mats where Oh yeah, And I
think that's because of our terrain, our watershed, you know, uh,
food source source. You know, most of our most of
our stories come back, even if they're old stories. You know,
we just I just took a report last night from
a guy in Connecticut, uh in nineteen seventy six. He's
(17:38):
telling me about this story, and it happened in the summertime,
near the fall. Well, the reason why I mentioned that
is because for us as a researcher, I'm looking for
patterns similar things that different things are happenings. Yeah, exactly.
Commit the dots create patterns, look not create, but look
at and see if there are patterns and how to
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make that happen. So what we've seen with reports and
things like that within the summer too late fall into winter,
that's our big that's our busiest time. And we equate
it to the harvest you know availability. Yeah, you know,
stuff is going on the ground early and it's coming
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out late. You know, you can get November December and
there's there's all kinds of gardens and you know, hort
farms and you name it out you you live out
in one of the countriest towns, and I.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Say, god, well, and I've heard that bigfoot is also
not just attracted to stuff we're growing, but grain. It's
a big thing that they like. And I know some
dairy farmers that have had big foot encounters because it
graight out for the cows. They could want some pickens.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Something, you know. I mean, you got to remember it's
an animal and if it can get an easy meal,
it's going to go for it.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
That's a good point in a farm.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Grain, hay, place to sleep, stay warm. You know. It
could be a whole barns, you know, tucked up in
the side, and the grain could be you know, leftover bags,
things like that, any of that stuff. There's reports of
all that kind of you know, similar behaviors where they've
seen bigfoots and barns.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Not saying that and here in western mass but throughout
the country there's been other reports.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
It's similar.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
What about caves, because you are very experienced with caves
in the area, So do they live in caves?
Speaker 5 (19:31):
I would, Well, there's a section around here in the
Beckett area, we'll go with that. Caves, quarries, things like that,
and there's large fissures, cracks in the earth kind of
things where they could absolutely potentially be There have been
reports out of the quarries. Yeah, this whole area, our
our neighborhood is a very active area. There's all these
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towns in the hill towns that go around Gateway. Everything
has activities. Just talk to a woman up in Northington, Yes,
a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, So it's just if
we have we have the habitat I believe.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
We have.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
I don't know if we have habituation where they live here.
I think that might be a stretch because I think
we'd find it more often. But you know, I think
you'd have more encounters. I think if there was something,
if there were more memohile, I think that's a more
transient than hang out.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Right across from me is Cobble Mountain, and apparently there
have been quite a number of sightings there and footprints
that have been found. Yes, do you think that's one?
And that's there's nothing else up there? Right, It's just Forrest.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
That's it. It's just Forrest. There's been reports on a cobble.
There's been reports out of Littleville. Yeah, Nightville right here
at our camp in Russell, the camp and run the
water shed in Russell, and and I know to the
police allowed to report there. The one thing that Tim
and I really tried to pushing and get what to
(21:09):
do is open up because we know there's there's a
lot more not being said or talked about.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Well, I agree because a long time ago book I
heard a story about a man in Chester who had
had a big foot encounter and he told people about it,
and of course everybody just said he was crazy and
made fun of him. So that kind of dissuaded other
people from telling it, which is a show. But people
(21:35):
can be pretty small minded, as you know, and they
don't understand that bigfoot's have been here forever, so they're
just trying to find a way to make fun of
other people, and it really takes away from your research
and being able patterns together.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
It's not a typical science. It's not the zoology. It's
it's uh, you know, it's the skill sets that it
takes to find all that evidence, uh and then trying
to put it together. You know, it's it's mythical stuff
in the science world, so there's there's not a lot
of you know, there's not a lot of faith. You know,
(22:13):
it's all here saying it's who says what. And today
with AI it's very very difficult, very difficult. You know,
we're we're always trying to open the door so people
can come in and talk to us, even if it's
one on one. You know, we we have we have
a lot, we do outings, We go and talk at
the libraries, so we're opening it up. We're trying to
(22:34):
bring it out there so they'll open up to us
because we want those people that have that story that
got laughed at believe me, we've heard it all already. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
The best contact you is to your Facebook page right.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Right, Facebook page or the Cobble Mountain Critic, either one,
either one of those.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Absolutely all right, everybody, if you've got a story, you've
got to contact the Vocal Brothers and talk to them
about it so they can all this together and find
out what's really going on in our wilderness. A lot
more than we could even imagine, I really think.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
So, oh, I agree, there's a lot happening right here
in Western mass You know, we can sit here and
talk another hour and a half, two hours just in
western mass Wow, doesn't bring in Connecticut or New York
or any of that other stories that we've had.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Just mask tell us some of the stories of encounters
that have happened here.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
All right, actual encounters where we've seen a bigfoot, all right?
Telling me we well, let's see, we can go back
to twenty eighteen. Was it twenty eighteen? In June? We
were up in Stavoi. We were we were on an expedition.
(23:54):
There was about fourteen of us, twelve fourteen of us.
That's one of the good things about our our claims
when we say we had a seat sighting or something
like that. But we did these expeditions. We've had plenty
of witnesses. Oh yeah, we weren't the only ones that
actually saw these things. That's the best part, you know.
So what happened was we were help here at the camp.
(24:16):
There were fourteen of us, and we were spending the weekend.
On a Saturday night, We're in this field here and uh,
it's about one two o'clock in the morning. It was dark.
We had a fleer and I was standing there with
this gentleman from Pizer. He worked at Pfizer, and the
sun was looking at a mouse running around through the fleer,
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and about one hundred and one hundred yards away in
this open field, there was this ball of orange light
just sitting there fifteen twenty feet off the ground. But
the light was committing inside, not out, and it just
sat there for about ten fifteen seconds. We just kind
of looked at each other and I, I know, there's
(25:00):
nothing there. I've been here a hundred times, you know,
I mean, he lives here, So I just kind of
looked at him. We looked back, and we just watched
this thing just kind of slowly go in the here
and leave, just gone. The next day, we all went
out to Savoy State Forest and we went to one spot.
(25:22):
It was raining really hard. No one wanted to get
out and walk in, so we drove off to another
spot and we got out. The rain slowed down up.
Ten twelve guys got out and some stayed back. So
we walked into the woods. This point where we were
walking to a place called Balanced Rock in the state forest,
(25:45):
two guys went up in front of us. The father
son went up in front of us, had a go
pro the group walked in the middle, and then these
two guys liked the lag behind. They like to watch
to see if anything's watching the group. So yeah, it's
sort of like a real you know.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Too.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Yeah, right, So we get up to balance rocket. We're
standing there and it's it's been raining now for about
three four days and it's misty rain, and we asked
if anybody wanted to make a make a big foot call,
and this little boy said, yeah, sure, so he gave
out a whoop. The minute that he did the whoop,
(26:27):
second or two later, the two guys that were behind
us come walking up front, come running up to us
and said, hey, we got we've got whistles back here. Wow,
it wouldn't have been three seconds later the guy that
was up there with a GoPro sent the sunback and says,
we got knocks up up in front. So we just
kind of walked into the woods. Now, we kind of
(26:49):
walked in and took over like a forty five degree angle.
There were fifteen people, twelve fifteen people, and we're just
standing there and I'm was standing on this little rock
and I have an orange jacket and everybody else was
in dark clothes and in June. There were you know,
it was raining, it was nice and green and full,
(27:09):
and I was bending down to see if I could
see leg movement from bear, deer, whatever, and all of
a sudden, I saw this black thing standing there, and
I was like, that wasn't there a second ago. So
I stood up and I was looking at it, and
then I leaned to my left like I was trying
(27:31):
to look around something to get a better look at it,
and it bent over and it started leaning and looking
at me, and then it stood up, or when I
stood up, it stood up, and I went, oh, my god,
it's right there.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
And that's how it was just same thing.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
There were two of us that saw it at the
exact same time, at two different angles. We come in
this gentleman and I come into the same go pro
frame at the exact same time pointing at it. We
were we were running towards it, and the guy with
the GoPro was standing in between us in front of
a tree, and right behind the tree was where I
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saw it. I took Tim back the next day with
me and we brought I brought back my entire evidence kit,
and I said, so we gotta we gotta figure out
how far away this was. So we got out the
range finder. He went down to where I saw it
at the tree. We were forty yards I was forty
yards from it. He lifted his hand and I said, no,
(28:32):
you got to go higher than that. So he got
a stick and he raised his hat up and kept going,
kept going, and then I had him stop. It was
almost nine feet tall.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Oh my goodness, it.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Was as wide as a sheet of plywood. That's all
I can All I saw was like a head down
to down the shoulders and it went down to about
the waist. The gentleman that was to my right saw
from the waist down because there was a big tree
laying there. So when we went back and we measured
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all of this off him come walking. Tim comes walking
around the tree and in this one mossy section there
is a print seventeen and a half inches long, nine
inches wide at the ball in about five and a
half inches at the heel. Yeah, well it was similar
(29:25):
to this one. It's not that one, but that's the
one we just got. Those came from the same place.
Those are juvenis. Those are yeah, weekly, those are and
those are that's from the that's from the exact same
area where I saw mine. The other ones is like
it's on dental stone. I don't know if you have those.
(29:47):
It's like a yellowish color with you, me and Eric
together holding a cast. So Eric's holding the one with
the dental stone. That's the one that he took in June.
We went back and cast that next day. So in
June we go out and we're going back to this
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spot up at Savoy. We get up there and we
find the spot. Like Eric said, we're doing the recreation
how big it is and how tall and all that,
and then we started looking at a circular pattern for tracks.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Now.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
We're looking outward from where he saw it for tracks now,
and that's when we cut this big track and it
was a pretty impressive track. It was a huge heel strike.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
That went down two and a half three inches deep
into the ground and then it faded off into the
toes and then the second track was a foot the
ball of the foot where the toes were, and we
were able to get an impression of that as well,
so it was like a heel toe impressions.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
And they were, yeah, that's second track was seven feet away,
seven feet away, Yeah, and them and We only got
the ball of that because the toes rubbed up, rubbed
the cross the root that was there, and peeled the
bark them. So you know there's a tree root, so
you couldn't you know, you can't cast that. But we
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did get. The reason why we cast the two tracts
was because the ball and the heel are the exact
same depth, so it had to be from the same
creature that was same weight, it was the same way,
same way they made the same track or something that
impression made the same track. So it's the.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Size is just incredible. But it's interesting that they do
make the knocking sound, and they do the calls and
all of that. But have you heard of anybody who
was attacked by one or hurt in any way. I
mean they've been there's stories to the ears, but what
about here? Are they just.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Land? No? The most aggressive.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Was a story I took in October Mountain State Forest
of a hunter that went in there, went camping overnight,
and he thought he was surrounded probably three or four
particular creatures potentially, and they were around his camp and
they literally tore the woods up around his camp, scaring
them the Jesus out of him. He never left because
(32:24):
he was too afraid to leave. But the next day
when he could.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Get out, he got on his squad and left, and
you know, he didn't go back, didn't go hunting, didn't
do any of that, but he did report it to me,
and he didn't want to go back at all. So
we weren't able. Yeah, he told me where it was.
We were able to go and kind of bushwhack through
the woods, but you know it was without him actually
(32:47):
going back and showing it. We didn't find the exact location.
But October Mountain it has, you know, plenty of history
in its own right. Yeah. Absolutely, and not not just
in the in the paranormal encrypted that they do. Both
they've had UFO sightings up in there and place mountains.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
More about because I'm lost, I'm geographically challenged.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
There is October Mountain.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Ok October Mountains, two mountaintops from you. It's in Beckett. Yeah,
it's over on Beckett.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Off the Root eight Okay.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Mountain Washington Mountain Road.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yes, I know where that is. Okay, that's where the.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Opperation Trail crosses the road. No, you'll see the sign there,
says Appalation Trail North Maine, Georgia.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
And that's that.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Would be October Mountains, so that would be the area
of October Mountain.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
State for well, gosh, darn it. I did not know
that they were having UFO sightings over there anything recent,
not that.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
I know of. I just know that I've talked to
a few people that have put in reports of that.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Okay, and Annie.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
The little ten year old girl, that the ghost girl
that walks around with a white uh, with a white dress. Oh,
she's an old town, old settlement. There's an old cemetery
in there, cemetery. They all died at a young age. Oh,
it's an interesting place. If you want come on up
on August eighteenth, we're having a get together here. We
(34:28):
are right there, right there, right there.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
You can't refuse that invitation.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Come on up.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Absolutely absolutely, gosh. Well, I had no idea we had
all this. I know we had quite a bit of excitement.
But you're really validating a lot of paranormal activity for
this whole area.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
This is great, amazing. It is a hot spot in Blanford.
I won't say where, but uh. They sent a couple
sent us a recording of a howl. We sent that
to our guy I down in.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
North Caro, Pennsylvania, other and he does linguistics work, and
he was another one that says it was in the
realm or it wasn't within the realm of a person.
So it was certainly the potential for a bigfoot. And
there's you know, they have their meters engages that they
go by and if you know, if a person can
(35:21):
make these you know, audiable sounds, then he doesn't even
qualify it because it could potentially be a person. And
when they're out of these upper ranges, then then he
just says, yeah, you've got my attention. And so these
these howls that we have from this couple in Blamford,
he was very convinced actually that you know, that was
(35:44):
a good bigfoot. Hel Oh, yeah, that's right. And Black, Yeah,
you know, just about said that that's what it was.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
It took everything else out of the out of the
out of the pictures, what else.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
You can narrow it down. Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
I can also here coyotes in the background, which you know,
we've had experiences in the past where you know, coyotes,
it could be a symbiotic relationship with the coyotes in
the bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Well, it does seem that they have extrasensory perception that
they're able to disappear whenever they want and go into wherever,
another dimension or something. But there's a lot of reports
about that. Even in david second movie.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
We've actually had it happen. That's why he started off
with that ORB, because you know, we've had a couple
of experiences where Bigfoot is associated with an actual ORB
within the same story. In October Beginning or end or whatever.
In October Mountain, there were twelve of us and we
watched it happen. So we've got another expedition we were doing.
(36:47):
People come out and you know, they pay you to
take them on an expedition. They're hoping there's a resona
count or you know something that they you know, hey,
we're going on a big Foot thing. Maybe we'll get lucky.
Maybe we will, maybe we won't. Nine out of ten
times we don't. But this happened to be.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
You know, we go to places where we're getting recent
reports and activity stuff that we go and we see
and then we know we have this kind of activity
through track traps, et cetera. And so anyways, we go
and we do this investigation and then we go on
and we take people out, or we used to, and
(37:30):
on this particular night, it was probably midnight, maybe a
little laughter, and we're up at Felton.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
Pond in October, Mountain State.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
For us, there's, like you said, a dozen or so people,
and one of the guys that were with us, Chuck,
he had mentioned two things are happening at once. Chuck
mentions this smell and this odor, and almost simultaneously, one
of the other guys is up looking through a fleer
across the pond at something that's pacing or what looks
(38:01):
to be pacing back and forth, and through a fleer
at one hundred yards.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
It was you know, you couldn't really take a photo
of it because it's too pixelated, because you're you're right
at the max of the flear. It only goes on
drizzle rain, And.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
It was I got a question. They want us to
know what flour is. It's forward looking in for red.
Can you explain a little bit about how that works?
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Well, kind of like that picture you have on the screen,
what that's showing is as I'm looking through the viewfinder,
I'm seeing the heat signature. So all those red spots
and on the flere. You can change the color tones.
They could be blue, purple, whatever color you want to
represent heat from white hot to this year happened to
be red orange. And then you know it's just an indicator.
(38:49):
So when you're sweeping the flare through the woods and
all of a sudden you get this red glow, you
know it could be a deer, could be a skunk, porcupine,
It could be a mouse, could be an out the
big Foot. You know, this happens to be some investigators
we were with, this was up in the club and
a number of years ago, and it was cool.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
We had car hearts on and and that was still
a clear a heat signature coming through winter gear.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Wow, incredible.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
Clear. It's just it's a it's a piece of equipment
that really helps us when we're out there at night
because at nighttime you can't see anything. This helps you
see at least two hundred yards away.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Well, let me ask you, amazing PK and I were
talking about this, what would be your dream come true
Bigfoot experience?
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Right here in camp? I just have to walk out
the door, walking across the.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yard, there is if you may so be see you
right or her close up would be fabulous, right.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
I personally, considering I've seen it at forty yards, I
would like to have a very clearer picture of what
I was looking at, you know, because I know what
I saw and I know what it was, because I
know what it was. Yeah, so I would just want
a clearer picture, That's what I would like. Yeah, and
(40:17):
ours were visuals, you know, farther away. We didn't have
that picture perfect. So for me, I want to make
eye contact with it with his thing, so it knows
that it's looking at me and I'm looking at it,
and we've seen each other. And now let's go to
the next time. You know, we take a solid, clear,
non blurry picture.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Have you thought of leaving some trail cams up there?
Speaker 5 (40:41):
We do. We do. That's part of our active investigator
we do. We leave, we leave cameras, we leave recorders.
So we do it, and we put our cameras all
at different heights, from up twelve feet down down to
you know, putting a half off the ground. You know,
we move them different angles. But yeah, we hide them
(41:04):
in bark just you know, so that they visually can't
be noticed. So quick we have a product a couple
of little hunting shirts, you know things that we use.
It's called hex and it's a it's like a Faraday cage.
Just basically is this carbon fiber woven through your clothing
and it provides it eliminates almost your electrical output. So
(41:28):
if a meter goes over you, it kind of scans
you like this. You know it's going to register until
it gets in front of you, and then it's not,
and then it's going to disappear. So our body is
a lot of electrical output. We're doing it right now.
And what this does, this this outfit for hunting, it
reduces your electrical output. And for animals that may be
(41:49):
able to see that version of whatever the electrical output
may be, they can see it clearly. And if you
see a wild turkey, they are so on spot. So
the ending that you are perfect in the woods. Otherwise
they're gone, you know, the maining they see you, poof,
they're gone. So you have to be hidden really well.
The fool turkeys and this stuff here, you can gain
(42:11):
them almost walking up to you. You know, as far
as other animals, they don't even know you're there. You know,
your your output just isn't there. So it's definitely a thing. Yeah,
we're it's something that we're in the process of trying
to see if it worked, if it'll work for us.
So we're wrapping cameras in this stuff, and uh, maybe
Hex will sponsor some material we can wrap more cameras.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Great. Yeah, you know, you may be interested in doctor
Johnson's work because he had a life changing Bigfoot encounter
out west. He's a psychologist and he was interviewed by
Joe Rogan and a whole bunch of big people because of,
you know, his psychology. He was a big name in
psychology too. But what he did is fascinating. We've had
(42:54):
him on the show several times. He decided to go
with a relational type of experience, so he would leave
food out for them. I guess we've they like what
cinnamon rolls and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Yes, jump food junkies.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
But he began a relationship with the tribe of them
to the point where they now have people come to
this property and they get to see them and communicate
with them. But guess what happened. The FBI decided that
they wanted in on this, so they trespassed on his property.
He has Matt has huge parabolic microphones set up so
(43:41):
they could hear the FBI agents stocking to each other.
That's how they knew they were there. And it was
so incredible that here's the FBI and we all know
they've been up one side and down the other of
UFO abductees. But I didn't know that they would be
interest did in this, and they were. They turned out
(44:04):
they had a whole bunch of them on his property,
broke into his house, bogged his everything so that they
could listen on what he's So isn't it But it
definitely is. Here's Matt who's done his best to develop
a trusting relationship with Big fun. So, but you may
be interested in his work because you may pick up
(44:25):
a few things you may want to try yourselves.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
Absolutely, we're always looking to the better our research.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah. Well, he's really really well known for what he's done.
He's received a lot of criticism for it. He's not
a hunter. He's going there to find out more about
who they are, and he's got quite a bit of information.
So I'll make sure to get you his name and
his books and things like that.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
But you could tell.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Them what you're doing here. But this is so exciting
to hear all of what you're doing and all of
the experiences that you're having. Now, what about anybody else
bigfoot crossing the road, because that's been known to happen
where some people have caught that on camera. Has anybody
caught that up here in Western mass.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Yes, we had a couple of years ago. Beckett.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
Beckett is a is a nice spot. It has a
lot of activity. Potentially has something to do with the
quarry up there.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Maybe, yes, Maybe it's a possibility because is it a
granite quarry up there?
Speaker 5 (45:32):
Yes, And there's plenty of places to crawl into and
just hide away.
Speaker 6 (45:40):
So in Chester they got the emory minds and things
like that. Up on Gobble Mountain, up on the top
of that fire tower is in Chester, there's a small
mines and stuff that's you know, there's all possibilities.
Speaker 5 (45:55):
Yeah, I don't think they're living in it. Like I said,
I think there they could potentially have had him there
for a night or two, but I don't think you should.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
I'll tell you this, but I used to study years
ago with a Cherokee Native American medicine woman, and she
told me the story of how she knew where their
camps were where they were actually living, and this was
out in the Midwest, and she would take a bunch
of her students with her, and she said she stopped
(46:25):
doing it because she would get so far and then
the Bigfoot would start coming towards them and all of
her students would pass out. So he said, well, forget
about this, these people are no good. Just three times
and she said, that's it. I'm not taking you people
any foot said it was something about seeing those big
(46:47):
shapes coming something in our subconscious mind and we just
we can't handle it.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
You know.
Speaker 6 (46:57):
It's funny, well say that because at first time we've
experienced what we think is infrasound.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
That's a whole nuther.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yes, that's a great thing.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
Yeah, the thing you're just talking about.
Speaker 6 (47:07):
We just got off the phone with maybe a half Yeah,
up in the South Shore, I believe, I think that's
where they're on the South Shore. They're up there in
near Boston. Anyway, anything past to the Connecticut River AATs Boston.
So anyways, they're over there in their Boston and they
think they just had an experience out there with two
potential Bigfoot and one of them is claiming he's sick
(47:31):
right now, and it had all the symptoms of people
that complain about you know, things like that. You know,
granted it could be the twenty four hour Bug two,
but this was you know, fairly quick on set.
Speaker 5 (47:43):
It was right after this happened, so there could be
something to be said about that. I half heard of
that happening.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah, because they seem to have power over our own consciousness.
And they have, because I've heard of people that have
spotted the Bigfoot. They've made eye contact. Next thing they know,
they find themselves walking in the opposite direction and they're like,
what am I doing? And why they have no control?
But it's that infrasound.
Speaker 5 (48:11):
That turned them around and walk them out.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
And I was told that they are able to do that.
That vibration comes from their bones, you know, it's big
bones that they have so.
Speaker 5 (48:23):
Big creatures, so that infrasound they are We're sitting there.
This is another expedition we've done. Now we're up in
in uh closer to my neighborhood is where the heck
are we? This the waterfall there? Oh, Sanderson Brook Falls.
Thank you guys, bring for it's on our chefter Blanford line. Yes,
(48:44):
I'm Route twenty.
Speaker 6 (48:46):
And you got the park right there, lumber yard on
the other side of the road, so you've got Sanderson
Brook Falls. When you walk up, it's a beautiful cascading waterfall.
We're doing another investigation and we happen to be there
because the week before we had some potential activity there.
So there's a good half a dozen or so of
(49:06):
us on the mountain at this point. There's five of
us together, me, Eric Jeene, Tewksbury, uh, his son Chris,
and and Bob, Bob, Bob.
Speaker 5 (49:18):
I forgetting your name, Bob, but you were there, but
so Bob was there and uh, so we're all sitting
there right and it's it's a little bit past midnight.
Where now this place is, uh, it's up, you know.
Down to the creek is a cliff, then there's a
fire road and then it's up. So this is nothing
but steep. You're not walking, there's no trails. There's a
(49:41):
fire road that's more like a switch back into the
side of this hill and that's that's all there is.
There's no it's that steep.
Speaker 6 (49:48):
So people ain't up there at two o'clock in the morning,
one o'clock in the morning pranking us.
Speaker 5 (49:54):
So we're sitting there, right, and it's there's five of us.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Let me just say that we're coming to the really
have about four minutes left.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
So we're sitting there and all of a sudden we
hear this rock falling down the hill and you know,
I'm on my elbows laying down in this fire road,
and all of a sudden, I'm scrambling to get up
and this noise stops. So we kind of blew it off. Okay,
we got lucky, I guess.
Speaker 6 (50:19):
And then a few minutes later, this thump, this loud thump,
sounds like a giant rock hit the ground right behind Eric,
and you know, there was literally no impressions, no rock,
nothing was disturbing.
Speaker 5 (50:34):
So it was interestyle for sure. Yeah, yes, we all
got up, we all, you know, it shook us all
to the point we're now standing up wondering what we
just heard. And there was literally nothing there there, Something
rolled down the hill right there, because.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Right, you didn't have any sickness from it, but you
just heard something there.
Speaker 5 (50:55):
Right, Yeah, that was more of a And then the
following day I go back with Eric, and you guys
can at that My wife and I we were. We
went out and you know, we had basically got escorted
out of the woods. This thing was up above us
now making noises, breaking branches things like that, and it
(51:15):
kind of just escorted us out of the woods. We
just didn't stick around. We were already up near the waterfall.
We started hearing the noises. That was my cue to
get out. I wasn't going to be up there with
her and have something happened. So we just got out
and left. I went back with Eric, and then that
stick came from. Yeah. I took the whole tree, the
whole sapling right with us.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Wow, just incredible.
Speaker 5 (51:40):
Well and that's here in western mass.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, this is incredible. Yes, well, I'm so thrilled because
now I p K when you come, we're going to
have to sit out by the campfire right for them
to come visit.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
I think that's a good ideas there you go.
Speaker 5 (51:55):
I've had a lot of activities sitting around the campfire.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Yeah, that's right. We have got to give it a
try before we get into winter.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
So definitely before winter. You guys are about cower to
get circled.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
So tell everybody again how to get a hold of
you Cobble Mountain Critter project on Facebook. They can message
you there and are there ways for them to call
you if they need to talk to you about their
own experiences?
Speaker 6 (52:24):
Yeah, right there on the Cobble Mountain Critter you can
go to contact. Go right to contact, it'll come and
send us.
Speaker 5 (52:29):
An email right away, or catch us right on Facebook
and send us to.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yeah, you guys out there, If you've got photographs or
you have anything on audio, make sure you send it
to these guys because they're keeping track of it all.
Speaker 5 (52:46):
Yes, this twentieth, we'll be down the Souftwick Library talking Bigfoot.
She said it was a sold out program already.
Speaker 6 (52:53):
So if you're one of those people, come with questions
we you know, things like that, and we want to
hear your story and.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
When and is that in Souffolk August twentieth. Okay, everybody,
August twentieth, very good library. If you want to hear more. Oh,
this has been great, it is, Thank you so much.
It's such a pleasure. We're going to have you back. Awesome,
(53:19):
cover all this other stuff out and everything else. And
if you have any more exciting experiences, be sure to
reach out and schedule another time for you to come back.
Sometimes this show is too short. We just can't get
to it.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
I know, double hitters.
Speaker 5 (53:35):
I know.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
Well, thank you so much, guys, so it's great it was.
Next week we'll be back everybody with another terrific show.
Until then, we'll see you on the Blue Highway. Good Night,
good night,
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