December 17, 2024 • 54 mins
Whitley started his writing career with the Wolfen in 1979. There have followed since over 40 books during a long writing lifetime. the Wolfen, the Hunger, Communion and Superstorm have all been made into films (Superstorm as the Day After Tomorrow). Whitley's series Alien Hunter was a TV series called Hunters on the SyFy Channel. In 1985 he had a frightening close encounter, which led to his best-selling book, COMMUNION. Whitley’s new book, THE FOURTH MIND is the first of its kind re-establishing the truth and power of humankind.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Ourch angels, ghosts, and Bigfoot. Oh why, it's just another
night for Supernatural Girls and real stories, real answers to
life's biggest supernatural mysteries. And now for another exciting interview
with paranormal experts from this world and others. Here's your host,
paranormal researcher Patricia Baker on the One the Only Supernatural Girls.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Welcome everyone to another great episode of Supernatural Girls. This
will be our last show for the year, and for
that Kay and I wanted to get one of the
most special people we have ever met, and he's kind
enough to say yes to come on the show tonight.
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We're going to bring him on in a couple of minutes.
Whitley Streever. We love this man, don't we love him?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Not a doubt.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
We talk about him all the time. He probably doesn't
know that he's so beloved by these two old ladies.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
But anyways, speak for yourself, old I'm the young.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
That's right, you're the young one. So anyways, but first
we got to get to you, miss PK. What's going
on with the numbers?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Well, firstly, retrograde has ended. We're still in a bit
of the shadow period, but at least the darn things
over with you. What a magrant that always is for us,
I know it. So the fact that we're in two
personal months, we need to take a look at the
fact that sensitivity, relationships, teamwork, they're all top of the list.
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So don't let your nose get out of joined by
what's going on around you have somebody you feel has
snubbed you, trust me, that probably don't even know they've
done it. Everyone's just super sensitive. On top of that,
you add the shopping spending money that we don't usually
have at this time of year because the man upstairs
has made sure that we've wasted so much before we
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get here that Christmas Grinch ran off with my billfold.
That's all there is to it. So the best weekend
to put it together. But the most important thing is
when this month is over, we are going into a
brand new segment of a new nine year cycle. Yay
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every well, yes, every month of next year will be
exactly as it is. January is a one month. It
will be truly a one month, new beginnings, fresh starts,
all that good stuff. So in the meantime, clean the closet,
clear off the countertop, get rid of the stuff you
don't want, so that one we go into twenty twenty five,
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it's going to feel great, good, perfect, but great. That's
a big difference.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I'm ready, Oh boy, am I ready. I just go
under the dump. There's no question good, not.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
A doubt in my mind. But I think the most
important thing everybody needs to remember is that sensitivity is
the name of the game. So remember that not everybody
feel as upbeat as you do, and a lot of
people need a hug or a pat on the head
or just a it's okay. That'll help us get through
this holiday. It's as difficult, you know that. I've lost people,
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people spending money, they don't have people trying to make
everybody be happy when a lot of them don't want
to be. They just want to cuddle up, stay by
the fire and be left alone.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Outside of that, life is good.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
That's all right. Yeah, yeah nice, Yeah, it's right. We
have some nice things to look forward to. I think, yes,
we do, We truly do about it. And I'm excited
about our guests tonight.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Oh I am too. He's fabulous.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
He's an amazing man. He's written over forty books. It's incredible. Quickly.
Seber started his writing career with The Wolfin in nineteen
seventy nine. There followed after that over forty books during
a long writing lifetime. The wolf In, The Hunger, Communion,
and Superstorm have all been made into films. Superstorm was
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made into a film called The Day After Tomorrow Now.
Whitley's series Alien Hunter was a TV series called Hunters
on the Sci Fi Channel In nineteen eighty five. He
had a frightening close encounter which led to his best
selling book, Communion. The Whitley's new book, which is going
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to drop in January. Cannot wait for this one. The
Fourth Mind is the first of its kind, re establishing
the truth and power of humankind, and he's here with
us tonight. We are so blessed Whitley. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I'm glad to be here. Thank you very much for
inviting me.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Oh honor to have you here. You are the best,
and we're sorry you don't feel well, and it was
still so nice of you to get yourself ready for camera,
ready for this, So thank you for coach.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I don't feel that bad. I just have COVID and theoretically,
I mean I'm a testing positive and I've got a
sort of slight chest code, but there's no other symptoms.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Good good. We want you to get well soon. And
again we're so happy to have you here. This new
book is sounding so exciting and so right on for
this time in our lives.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, it's time for the book. It's been a long
time in coming, and this is exactly the right time
for it to go out there.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It really is. But should we talk about the drones,
because I know you mentioned you absolutely sure we can,
So what are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Well, first of all, the government is lying so blatantly
that it's become a kind of clown show. It's fantastic
that you have to think that this has outrun them
in some way, or there is someone that we can't
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see who is forcing them to say what they say,
because it is completely obvious that everything the federal government,
the administration has said about this is false everything that
I believe. The truth of the matter is when you
cut to the chase, we don't know what they are.
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That's the truth of it. And I do have some
ideas about why they're here and the whole history of this.
It has quite a complex history, and we can go
into it as deeply as you want to. It's up
to you. You can ask me questions or I can
talk for anywhere from two minutes to four hours about Well.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I have to share with you, Witley, that one of
these drones, it flew over my house and it looked
like a drone. It did not look like a UFHO
to me or anything from another dimension. It looked like
it was a military grade drone. And the one thing
that I heard that kind of made sense was that
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there was some nuclear material that had been smuggled into
the country through New Jersey and they were looking for
it with these drones. But according to Trump, he said,
they know, you know where these things are coming from,
they know what these things are doing, and they don't
want to tell the people, which he was against that,
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which I am too. But it was kind of a
you know, it wasn't a bad scary feeling when I
saw this thing, but it was like, you don't belong,
you know, flying over people's houses like this. But that
what I saw was clearly a drone. It was mechanically engineered.
I'm sure here. Now, what do you think about that?
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I mean, do you think that's a possibility that that's
what's going on.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It's not. It's highly unlikely unless there's something behind the
nuclear material story that's been published that hasn't been published.
What happened was this nuclear material, this is medical waste specifically,
which was involved in the story that was published. Is
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often stolen and it is repurposed, stolen smuggling abroad and
repurposed and resold into the medical supply chain abroad. There
are many countries in which they have not got the
ability to test the potency of nuclear materials that they
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purchased for their X ray machines and so on and
so forth. So it's a big black market and this
is a routine. What I saw was a description of
an absolutely routine situation where a container is open that
contained low level medical waste, and this medical waste was
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then this was then conflated into a big story that
sort of if you look carefully enough, you'll find stories
like this scattered across the media over the years, and
they rarely reach any particular level of importance because they're
not important stories.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
So what is your take on this? You're saying that
we really don't know what these things are not at all,
so they're not from here.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I wouldn't draw any conclusions. When you say we say
we don't know, we don't know, that doesn't mean we
don't know, but actually we do know you don't know.
Is that it's don't know. There's a pattern here, though,
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which we can discuss. That is this the first time
this occurred in recent years. There may have been an
incident related in nineteen sixty five, but it's too far back,
and there were no drones then, and so it's impossible
to tell exactly what was going on. However, in twenty nineteen,
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in northern Colorado and southern Nebraska, there weeks of drone
incursions in December and of twenty nineteen and January of
twenty twenty, which caused a considerable amount of public concern
and were investigated. The drones flew at night from six
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to ten pm. They were found in groups of up
to nineteen, and they were not The FAA requires by
law waivers to fly drones at night and waivers to
fly drones in formation. No such waivers were asked for
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by the FAA by these whoever was flying these drones.
The drones were not generally visible on radar. In fact,
I don't think at all. And they did not provide
infrared heat signatures any more than the drones over New
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Jersey have. Now that alone is proof positive that there's
nothing we know about, because a drone is going to
have an engine and is going to have a very
significant heat signature. If you had looked at the one
over your house with an infrared sensitive camera, my guess
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is that it was an ordinary drones which you're describing,
and it would have had a significant heat signature. If
it had been one of the anomalous ones, there would
have been no heat emanating from it. Okay to go on.
The next incursion happened in October of last year over
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Langley Air Force Base. There were numerous events over Langley
Air Force Base night after night. The government did not
do anything about them, even though one involved a near
miss with a with a fighter jet and they still
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didn't act. Now, that has to be there has to
be a reason for that. Yes, it can't be ours
doing testing or whatever they may be doing if they're
going to nearly collide with one of our own jets,
I don't think. But at the same time, they didn't
respond because they obviously know what this is and they
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know they can't respond, so then it Then then the
next thing happens. The United States sends nuclear materials to England,
they arrive at Lake and heath Raf and shortly thereafter
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drones appear over Lake and heath our Af. This goes
back to a long history of anomalous objects appearing in
the context of nuclear proliferation. The first such incident took
place in nineteen forty six at White Sands when a
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V two rocket was fired and when it had reached
an altitude of forty thousand feet, an unknown something caused
it to go off course. It was shot at by
something that was seen on radar, and it went off
course and was destroyed because it was by ground control
because it was off course. At the time, the United
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States was the only nuclear power in the world, and
we had not yet attached a nuclear weapon to a missile,
but clearly that was on the way a warning Therefore, then,
over the course of the nineteen sixties and into the
earth early seventies, both in the United States and Russia,
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there were incursion incursions into missile control facilities, alterations of
targeting systems, damage to the facilities, especially in Russia and
clearly someone was there warning us in their own way
about the danger of nuclear war. At the same time,
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starting in the nineteen seventies and continuing up through the
early two thousands, many thousands of people around the world
had close encounters of the third kind, in which many
of them were warned about environmental crisis. Now fast forward
to the present, Laken Heath a proliferation, a nuclear proliferation
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of the first order. The United States, for the first
time in twenty years, is returning nuclear weapons to the UK.
These are nuclear weapons, unlike those that are already in
the UK, that would not be under the control of
the UK, but of the US, and they may be
attached to one of two new types of delivery systems
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or both, one a stealth delivery system, two a hyper
speed delivery system, either of which could reach the Soviet
other Russian Russia unawares, meaning that this is profoundly destabilizing
to the balance of power, since these weapons could conceivably
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reach Russia before Russia could react, so mutually assured destruction
goes by the boards. This could mean to the visitors
that nuclear war is inevitable because of the presence of
those weapons there that would explain why they would show
up there to warn us again the same way they
have consistently across the past. At the same time, Donald
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Trump is elected president of the United States, and part
of his platform is to abandon environmental amelioration of environment,
of the environmental problems. I'm not interested in politics at all.
Nature to me is numbers. I can see what the
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numbers say, and so can the visitors. They told me
seven years ago that we had seven years left. Now
we have five years left, and four of those five
years we will do absolutely nothing. Further in the United States,
China can't do it much more than they have done
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because building of electric cars is one thing, deploying solar
farms is another thing, both of which they've done extensively.
But the real cleanup that it is going to be
blocked by by two things, by the inability of the
system to stay ahead of the need for coal, and
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by corruption in the Red Army, which really controls the country.
Russia can't do anything because it's a poor, primitive country
for the most part on its back that has a
highly developed system of military projection, but nothing else. India
cannot and won't try anything because it's completely out of control,
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and to change the pollution profile of India would take
a beyond belief amount of money and effort that they
do not possess. That leaves the US. Europe is already
trying and reasonably effectively. The US should have been trying.
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It is, of all of these countries, it remains the
largest polluter and also the most organized and innovative economy
in the world. There's no question, I'm sure in their
minds is there isn't in mind that we could turn
this around. We are not going to touch it. By
the time the four years of are over, it will
be too late. Thus, they appeared over Donald Trump's Bedminster
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golf club, and he said on the radio on the
television the other day he doesn't plan to stay there.
I don't blame it. There are two messages that have
been conveyed. The first message is a very very intense
one about nuclear war. The second one is equally intense
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about the danger of climate change. These are the two
fundamental issues that the visitors have been interested in from
the beginning. That's what's happening.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Okay, Well, that is a totally new perspective, and I
appreciate that so much. I mean also the history of
all of this. Definitely, it's a whole different context around it.
So how do you see this resolving with the drones?
You think, well, you don't know what they are, so
they may stay around for a while.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
But here's what I have learned, never to second guess
the visitors. They think very asymmetrically and quite frankly. Uh,
there will come a point when they when they intervene,
and we lose dominion over our planet. I don't know
if this is the point, but it could happen. Uh,
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they will at some point, and maybe they already have
made a decision or will make a decision as to
whether or not they want to let us go or
try to enable the species to survive. If they decide
that they will help us survive, then I'm not sure
we're going to actually want that, because we will want it.
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We will. It'll be it'll be a new world. I
wrote a book a couple of years ago called a
New World for that reason. It will be a completely
in your world. It will not be like this at all.
It will change in absolutely fundamental ways. I can't predict
exactly what those ways are, but among other things, the
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visitors are fluently telepathic. That is entirely real. It is
not a fantasy. It is a part of nature, just
like radio or anything else. And when you are with them,
you are too. This means that they are capable of
turning it on and off in us. If they turned
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it on in us, in all of us, our world
would change in an instant, completely into something different from
what it is now. I think they probably have that capacity,
and the degree to which they will intervene, I don't
know if they do. I'm not sure we're going to
be happy with it. I don't think it's going to
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be all sweetness, and like I fans to be very
hard a new world if you can take it. That,
if you can take it part is the question.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
And you can exactly. I mean, now, your new book,
you're talking about the superpowers that we have that we
haven't most of us haven't accessed. Tell us more about
your new book and why did you write this?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Okay, it's time for this book. It's exactly the right
time for it and be published on exactly the right day.
This book, The Fourth Mind, has two parts. The first
part demystifies the Grays by going into in detail their anatomy,
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their biology, their brain functions and brain structures, and their
belief system insofar as it's understandable, and it shows how
they have made alterations in their genetic structure, some of
which have been effective, some of which have not. And
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it goes into this more deeply than anything. In fact,
there's nothing ever been written that goes as deeply into
this on the outside of the secret government. It does
mirror what is known on the inside. And I look
forward to the day when that material is officially released
and biologists, not general writers, general interest writers like me,
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can take a serious look at it. It has so
far only been looked at behind the scenes, and it
is explored insofar as I was able to without violating
any laws. In this book. The second part of the
book goes into the powers that we had in the
past and why we lost them. If you look at
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the earth and forget all of the efforts that are
devoted to trying to explain away things that cannot actually
be explained away, you see things like the platform at
Balbec with one hundred ton stones that were moved carved
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by unknown means, moved by unknown means down a known
causeway that is in no way reinforced in such a
way that stones like that could be rolled across it.
That's not how it was done. You look at Non Madal,
the group of artificial islands in the Carolinas in the Pacific,
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seven hundred and fifty thousand basalt logs carved at a
nearby quarry and brought there to build these artificial islands,
a project huge that is unimaginable that we could achieve
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it today, just like not and just like Baalbeck, just
like the fortress at Saksahuaman, and many other architectural artifacts
in India, I mean in Peru, just like some caves
that have been carved in India by unknown means. This
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debris of this lost civilization is all over the planet.
And there's much more that I go into in the book.
Why is it lost? Why is it not like that?
I do think that aliens came and did this and
then left. I think it was us. I think we
had powers to do these things by a connection to
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the Earth that was broken at an absolutely extraordinary time
in the past, known in geology as the Younger Dryases.
This period that started about twelve thousand years ago, was
incredibly violent, to give you. It's when the last Ice
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Age ended, to give you an idea of the extraordinary
violence of what happened. The first thing that occurred was
that something impacted the planet. You find mammoth bones all
over North America, and if you look at their bone,
these bones under a microscope, you find microscopic bits of
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iron in them. These animals were impacted by high speed
micro meteorites. At the same time, the entire continent caught fire.
The remains of that fire is something called the black mat,
which is extensive over the North American continent. It's sometimes
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it's a depth of ten or twelve feet, sometimes just
a few inches. It consists of charcoal and algae, skeletons
of algae. What it was was, after this fire, the
glacier melted. The Lrentide Glacier melted, sending a flood across
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the whole continent, extinguishing the fire and leaving a leak
that essentially lasted for about one thousand years, gradually settling
back on to the Earth, leaving this thick mass of
charcoal and dead algae which became the black mat, which
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geology geologists have been studying for years. It's not fiction.
It's well established fact, but it's so terrible that it is.
We literally don't think of it. We don't think of
this catastrophe. Before the catastrophe, we had these powers. Nature
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turned against us. Human population around the planet dropped to
about thirty thousand individuals, and when we came out of it,
we were no longer connected to our Earth in the
way we had been, and our relationship to it, our
physical relationship to it, was broken. We have to regain it.
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The visitors have their relationship still. If you are with them,
and I have been with I'm not going to bother
a pussyfoot around about it. I've been with them plenty.
If they touch you, you feel an incredible electricity going
through your body. It's not coming from them. It's because
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they are connected with the Earth, and it reconnects you
with the Earth, and for a little while you have
extraordinary powers too. No kidding about how to regain our powers,
not by asking them for help, but by doing it ourselves,
and we.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Can well, this is fascinating with ley, and certainly your
experience is it says it all. I mean again, there's
nothing better than talking to somebody like you who's actually
had this happen, and you're here to tell us what
it was like and what we need to do. So
for people, I'm sure you deal with this in your book.
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For people to regain this connection, it's going to take
more than just walking around and beare feet on the ground.
So what things do you talk about and can you
talk about in your book and here with us tonight
that can talk.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
About here tonight is this? First of all, the book's
not a self help book. We're going to have to
figure that out later. In other words, it doesn't have
it's not a course or anything. I've never found one
of those courses that really worked and did anything for
me personally. So any case, Uh, what the what the
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book does do? Because it shows how various powers are
really uh? And what has closed us off? Like if
you say to someone you did you know human beings
can actually levitate? They tuned it out completely outside of
their experience. Western science tells us it seemed possible. And
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I don't blame Western science. It seems impossible to me too,
but it wasn't always. In fact, I know a man
or knew he's passed on. Now, Paul, you know who
actually witnessed this and what let's be precise about what
he witnessed. He was at an exorcist. He was a
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novice in the in the in the Catholic priesthood at
the time, and he was a sign as his mentor
was a local priest who was also the archidice and exorcist.
They went to a mental asylum where a young woman
the family. The young woman's family had asked for an exorcism.
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She was struggling with schizophrenia and drug addiction. During the exorcism,
in front of the priest, the exorcist, Paul, the other assistant,
two assistants for two people, nurses from the facility, and
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a psychiatrist, the woman rose up out of the wheelchair
to an altitude of about four or five feet, right
out of the movie The Exorcist. In fact, the story
might have even inspired I think it did inspire the
movie The Exorcist Exorcist in part. And I'm not even
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going to bother to go down the old demon path
because it doesn't matter to me. What happened then was
the exorcist said to Paul, please push her down into
the chair. He pushed her back down into the chair,
and he told me there was a slight resistance. She
felt about like a balloon, meaning that this body of
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say one hundred pounds weight, covered with clothing that probably
weighed another three or four pounds, had become not just light,
but lighter than air. That was done by this. We
don't recognize the power of this, we've lost touch with
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what it really is, and we begin to regain our
connection to our own brains and minds, true selves. Listeners
haven't lost it. I've seen them levitate. I've levitated with them.
When they're with you, you go right up right with them.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
How did it feel?
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Extremely upsetting. I went up in the air without the
slightest warning the first time. It was like going up
in an elevator with no elevator, and it was quite exciting.
I'm telling you. I mean, but looking back the two
or three times it's happened, I would like to be
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able to do that on demand. And I think that
if we can recognize that things like this and things
like telepathy are real, we'll be able to do that.
I don't see why not if we could in the past,
and when you're with the visitors, you're fluently telepathic. It's
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as easy as pie. But when you're not with them,
you can't do it at all. That means it's in there,
but it's not turned on. We can turn it on,
and I think that the way to do that has
already been pointed out. There's a wonderful group of podcasts
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on you can get them on Spotify or Apple or
anywhere called the Telepathy Tapes.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yes we've heard of them.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Yes, yeah. If you listen to the Telepathy Tapes, this
wonderful story emerges of these gentle, sweet people who are
not voiced, who are profoundly autistic, who have fluent telepathy,
and it's been proved it's not. And this is so critical.
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The Western imagination has walled off all of this stuff
and what seems like enlightenment is in indeed that on
one level, but on another level it's a prison. And
we got a break out of the prison without losing
the enlightenment. That's going to be a good trick, but
we'll do it in any case. They and I have
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I am enough telepathic to have engaged with some of
the the the they're called spellers. They spell rather than
speak telepathically a few times recently because I didn't know
they were there before. In any case. What it takes
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is kindness and not lying. If you lie, you close
the door because you've got something to hide. You mustn't
have anything to hide. When you have nothing to hide
and you're kind and open, telepathy comes to you like
a scared little little puppy coming up because it's realizing, actually,
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this is safe for me, and inside your self, that
part of you that is telepathic begins to feel safe
as well, and you become telepathic. And suddenly you realize,
I've been in love with the world in a way
I was denying myself and turning away from And it's
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okay to be vulnerable. It doesn't matter. It's okay to
have things I am embarrassed by or ashamed of. Nobody
really cares. The other telepathic people have them too, and
we can just all live with it together. It's not
a big deal. Once you live like that, you start
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to feel like that, you can concentrate carefully. You'll find
telepathy enters your life, first very slowly, very subtly, and
then more fully over time.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
So, now do you experienced telepathy.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
When I'm with another person who can reject telepathically. Sure,
I'm not going to go around pretending to be a
mind reader, because nobody can do that. I mean, yeah,
there are some very powerful people, and certainly the visitors
can read minds very easily, but the average person like me,
(37:26):
I'm not going to go down that path. I'm not
trying to read your minds.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Do the visitors have any aspirations for us? I mean
otherwise other than really wanting us to reconnect with the
earth and start being the caretakers we were supposed to be.
Do they have any aspirations for us reaching that level
to be able to communicate with them easily with telepathy,
to be able to levi atary, to be able to
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do any of these amazing, wonderful things.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
They are the most parsimonious critters I've ever met. And
if they they they're here in numbers, and they're here
because they have something they want here badly, and uh
that is us. They want us at every level if
we the if we don't, well, let me see, I
(38:23):
sort of lost my train. Uh want us, they want
they will exploit us if they have to. In other words,
if we don't, if we don't have anything to give
to the relationship, they're going to take from us. They've
already taken a lot of sexual material from us, and
they have created hybrids. These hybrids are fluently telepathic. They
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are unvoiced, and they are autistic because they have to
be the the the amount of of sensory input that
comes in has to be restricted in order for them
to be sure of this fluent telepathy. And if you
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think about it, this is not a nice thing to do.
I don't think the visitors are angels. They're far from it.
They are definitely here for some of their own purposes
and their own reasons, and they are exploitative, but they
are also here for us. And if you're strong and
you want to do this, they will come. They will
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come halfway again, get back to a new world if
you can take it. It means if you can strong
enough to stand up to them, strong enough to stand
up to your own needs and desires, strong enough across
the board. This is about being strong.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
So you've found a way to access that inner strength
when you are in their presence, so that you're not
just taken over by them, you are and equal with them.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Well, I mean I don't feel I'm certainly not taken
over by them. Who would want to take me over anyway,
I'm much too dull.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
The doubt that it's not about taking over.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Uh, it's not about taking over. Who wants you know?
You don't want to take over, you want to have
a relationship. Yes, I wants a robot. I mean, why
would they come all the way from wherever the hell
they've come from to turn us into a bunch of
robots speaking of doll That would be dull. They wanted
a action. They're here for the new and we have
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that in spades for them. This is a rich resource
of newness for them, and they want it. I know.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
That interesting. So it's mainly people that they're interested in,
not so much what other people have said. They want
some resources, whether it be water, minerals, or whatever. It's
not about that.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Well water most all minerals. And we can always choose
something and say, oh, that's not common in the universe.
But if they can get around the universe comfortably, believe me,
it is so big that nothing anything, no matter how
rare it is, it's common somewhere.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
What makes us the interest to these people?
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Us?
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Just us? Aren't there? Other? Us is somewhere out there?
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Well, they're here now, So one thing I do think.
I think that intelligent species are quite rare. There's approximately
twenty one trillion planets in this universe according to science.
So if intelligent species are so rare as to be
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essentially invisible in reality, that means only a billion or so.
And if this universe isn't the only one, then there
are billions of intelligent species out there, all looking up
at the sky at one time or another in their lives.
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And believe me, sometimes somebody has figured out how to
climb Jacob's ladder. You can be sure of that.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Well, you talked about some of our history and how
we got cut off from our connection, But then there
is a lot of ancient information, whether it be in
go Beckley, Tepe or Egypt, about reaching these higher levels
of awareness. Yes, so that's a part of our history
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too that we don't have enough information on. We have some,
but not a lot.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
The gold is lying there for to pick it up.
The mana is on the ground, it's right there. The
past has got a very clear message for us. I
go into that in the book. It's quite clear. And
if you do avail yourself of that wisdom, it's there
for you and you can use it, and it does work.
(43:21):
It works very well. The oldest piece of wisdom on
the planet is also what Buck mister Fuller called the
building block of the universe. It is this in the sphinx.
The sphinx has the haunches of a bull, that is strength,
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the claws of a lion that is emotions, and the
intelligence of a man that is the head. Strength and
the emotion are balanced by the intelligence. That's the triad,
the fundamental building block of the universe. And if you
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go into atomic physics, what do you see. You see
the neutron, the proton, and the electron. Every atom starts there.
The electron is the active principle, that is to say,
the emotions. The neutron is the passive principle, that is
(44:33):
to say, the I mean yeah. The proton is the
passive principle, and the neutron is the balancing principle that
brings them all together. So the Sphinx is an expression
of the atom and of consciousness, both in balance. And yes,
(44:59):
there's the lot of very extraordinary information available littered across
the past, a lot of it, and we can take
advantage of it. All we have to do is look
and we will find it. It's readily available. I wrote
(45:20):
a book called Jesus and New Vision, which is about
the message that Jesus has for us, and it's a
message that has been lost, but it's a really powerful message.
It's the most powerful single message I know of in
the sense not that it is unique, but it is
so compressed and so clear.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
What is that message?
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Well, the best place to start is be as little children.
That's where to start. Don't be afraid to be who
you really are. Behind all of the layers of personality,
there's somebody who once had a lot of fun and
(46:08):
can again. My wife was up, truly. You see her
back there beside the communion lady. She was a master.
And although i'm you know, she's passed on, and so
I can safely say that without getting slapped her out.
She was no she she always said, no, there's no
(46:32):
such thing. Anyone who calls themselves a master is no
master at all. But I know what she was and
what I saw her become over her years. And she
used to say, it all begins with laughter. As soon
as you can start to laugh at yourself, you can
(46:55):
start to learn and know yourself. Meister Eckhart, the great
theological master of the twelfth century used to say God
laughs and plays. And here is his description of the creation.
(47:16):
God laughed, and his laughter begat the sun, and the
sun laughed. Then they laughed together, and their laughter begat
the Holy Spirit. And they all laughed together, and out
of their laughter toward the universe. We close these shades
on the little cottage of our lives so we don't
(47:38):
have to hear that laughter or see that light. Open
the shade. Seems like that's the scariest thing to do
in the world, could never do, But it's actually really easy.
Just laugh at yourself. You can easily find ways of
laughing at yourself. I can for sure. And yeah, and
(47:58):
look at who you really are. What are you going
to find. You're going to find you've done all kinds
of things in your life that you think, oh my god,
why did I ever do that? But you're also going
to find somebody else, somebody who started out and who
had all kinds of expectations and hopes. And you can
go back there. One time this is oh, go.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Ahead, Oh that's okay. We're waiting for your next thought.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Here. One time the visitors call I had been begging
and pleading with them, whining. My wife said, how could
they ever ever spend any time with a whiner like you?
If if they come, I mean it works, they get
sick and tired of it, and they come anyway. I
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was covetching and whining, and I wanted to meet them physically.
This was in about nineteen eighty eight, and I had
a bench in in the little woods behind my house,
and I would sit on the bench and imagine one
of them coming and sitting beside me and we could
talk and all this fantasy. So one morning, February morning,
(49:15):
just before dawn, I hear this trumpet sound above the house,
and I think, oh my god, it's them. There couldn't
be anything else. There's no other way to explain it.
So I think I'm gonna do it. I get up,
I grab my robe I'm in bed at the time,
(49:36):
grab my rope, put it on, put on my slippers,
and go outside. It's cold, snow on the ground, not
a lot, fortunately, but enough. Go across the deck behind
the house. I go up onto the hill that's just there.
The woods are naked. Beyond the naked woods is a clearing,
and in the clearing there is something making a noise
(49:58):
when clank, clank, clank. It's the noise their machines make
when they're when they're just idling. And I can see
this black thing there and some figures standing beside it,
and I think, my god, my God. And so I
walk up onto the little crest and I start to
go down the path. I stopped for a minute, just
(50:20):
out of amazement, and I hear in my head this voice, go,
come on, come.
Speaker 5 (50:29):
And it's so scary I couldn't take another damned step myself.
Oh my god, If I go down there and I
disappear and never she ends up with no ability to support.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Her and our boy. All right, So I go back
to the house. I put my hand on the doorknob,
and I hear three cries from above the woods.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Oh oh oh.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
They remain to this day, the three only truly perfect
sounds I have ever heard, the three most emotionally rich
sounds I have ever heard. I proceed into the house,
I get to the bedside. I sit on the bedside.
I realized there was someone I can't see in the room.
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By that time, we were very sensitized to the fact
that we would often have people in the house. We
couldn't see, so it was no big The cats could
see them, so it was easy to see when they
were there, the cats would be watching them. The cats
weren't there, and at I just I don't remember the
cats being around. I realize I'm face to face with
(51:42):
someone I can't see. The Next thing I know, I'm
suddenly in a completely different place. I am in a room.
There are these tall, thin sort of sticks standing up,
and I appear to be gl rather than walking. I'm speaking,
(52:03):
What in the world has happened? Then I look up
and I recognize what the sticks lead to. It's my
mother's desk from when I was a baby, in my room.
What they have done is they have taken me back
to the moment I first walked. Huh, and so vividly.
(52:26):
It is as if my adult mind has been projected
into my baby body, passed through time. Goodness, realize what
it means. You're still a baby, Whitley, but you've taken
your first step.
Speaker 6 (52:44):
Oh you see, if we can open our minds to
this and just let it happen, Yes.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
Wow, this we can do this.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Witterally, this I have to tell you. I feel like
we just sat down two seconds ago, and now agree.
I agree second Chanelle saying we have one minute to wrap.
I'm writing, Oh no, Brittley, thank you so much. Your
book is on sale in January, correct, yes, okay, everybody,
(53:26):
you got to get blind and yeah, I'm sure it's
on Amazon, and all the bookstores are carrying it.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
No, the bookstores won't carry it.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
They won't.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Well they don't carry my books.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
Okay, well from.
Speaker 3 (53:39):
Amazon, as long as it's there, and I'm not even
sure how long it will be there.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
So well, everybody get ready and run to your internet
and buy this process. Yes, yes, Whitley, please come back.
We just love having you here. You so, you're such
a delight and we think the world so thank you
so much. Our producers is going to cut us off,
(54:07):
so we'll see you in the new year. And but
we will have two more shows that are going to
air that are repeats. Be sure you catch them. And
until then, everybody, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year. We will
see you on the Blue Highway. Good night.
Ourch angels, ghosts, and Bigfoot. Oh why, it's just another
night for Supernatural Girls and real stories, real answers to
life's biggest supernatural mysteries. And now for another exciting interview
with paranormal experts from this world and others. Here's your host,
paranormal researcher Patricia Baker on the One the Only Supernatural Girls.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Welcome everyone to another great episode of Supernatural Girls. This
will be our last show for the year, and for
that Kay and I wanted to get one of the
most special people we have ever met, and he's kind
enough to say yes to come on the show tonight.
(01:09):
We're going to bring him on in a couple of minutes.
Whitley Streever. We love this man, don't we love him?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Not a doubt.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
We talk about him all the time. He probably doesn't
know that he's so beloved by these two old ladies.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
But anyways, speak for yourself, old I'm the young.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
That's right, you're the young one. So anyways, but first
we got to get to you, miss PK. What's going
on with the numbers?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Well, firstly, retrograde has ended. We're still in a bit
of the shadow period, but at least the darn things
over with you. What a magrant that always is for us,
I know it. So the fact that we're in two
personal months, we need to take a look at the
fact that sensitivity, relationships, teamwork, they're all top of the list.
(01:55):
So don't let your nose get out of joined by
what's going on around you have somebody you feel has
snubbed you, trust me, that probably don't even know they've
done it. Everyone's just super sensitive. On top of that,
you add the shopping spending money that we don't usually
have at this time of year because the man upstairs
has made sure that we've wasted so much before we
(02:16):
get here that Christmas Grinch ran off with my billfold.
That's all there is to it. So the best weekend
to put it together. But the most important thing is
when this month is over, we are going into a
brand new segment of a new nine year cycle. Yay
(02:38):
every well, yes, every month of next year will be
exactly as it is. January is a one month. It
will be truly a one month, new beginnings, fresh starts,
all that good stuff. So in the meantime, clean the closet,
clear off the countertop, get rid of the stuff you
don't want, so that one we go into twenty twenty five,
(03:02):
it's going to feel great, good, perfect, but great. That's
a big difference.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I'm ready, Oh boy, am I ready. I just go
under the dump. There's no question good, not.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
A doubt in my mind. But I think the most
important thing everybody needs to remember is that sensitivity is
the name of the game. So remember that not everybody
feel as upbeat as you do, and a lot of
people need a hug or a pat on the head
or just a it's okay. That'll help us get through
this holiday. It's as difficult, you know that. I've lost people,
(03:39):
people spending money, they don't have people trying to make
everybody be happy when a lot of them don't want
to be. They just want to cuddle up, stay by
the fire and be left alone.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Outside of that, life is good.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
That's all right. Yeah, yeah nice, Yeah, it's right. We
have some nice things to look forward to. I think, yes,
we do, We truly do about it. And I'm excited
about our guests tonight.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Oh I am too. He's fabulous.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
He's an amazing man. He's written over forty books. It's incredible. Quickly.
Seber started his writing career with The Wolfin in nineteen
seventy nine. There followed after that over forty books during
a long writing lifetime. The wolf In, The Hunger, Communion,
and Superstorm have all been made into films. Superstorm was
(04:32):
made into a film called The Day After Tomorrow Now.
Whitley's series Alien Hunter was a TV series called Hunters
on the Sci Fi Channel In nineteen eighty five. He
had a frightening close encounter which led to his best
selling book, Communion. The Whitley's new book, which is going
(04:52):
to drop in January. Cannot wait for this one. The
Fourth Mind is the first of its kind, re establishing
the truth and power of humankind, and he's here with
us tonight. We are so blessed Whitley. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I'm glad to be here. Thank you very much for
inviting me.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Oh honor to have you here. You are the best,
and we're sorry you don't feel well, and it was
still so nice of you to get yourself ready for camera,
ready for this, So thank you for coach.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I don't feel that bad. I just have COVID and theoretically,
I mean I'm a testing positive and I've got a
sort of slight chest code, but there's no other symptoms.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Good good. We want you to get well soon. And
again we're so happy to have you here. This new
book is sounding so exciting and so right on for
this time in our lives.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, it's time for the book. It's been a long
time in coming, and this is exactly the right time
for it to go out there.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It really is. But should we talk about the drones,
because I know you mentioned you absolutely sure we can,
So what are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Well, first of all, the government is lying so blatantly
that it's become a kind of clown show. It's fantastic
that you have to think that this has outrun them
in some way, or there is someone that we can't
(06:29):
see who is forcing them to say what they say,
because it is completely obvious that everything the federal government,
the administration has said about this is false everything that
I believe. The truth of the matter is when you
cut to the chase, we don't know what they are.
(06:53):
That's the truth of it. And I do have some
ideas about why they're here and the whole history of this.
It has quite a complex history, and we can go
into it as deeply as you want to. It's up
to you. You can ask me questions or I can
talk for anywhere from two minutes to four hours about Well.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I have to share with you, Witley, that one of
these drones, it flew over my house and it looked
like a drone. It did not look like a UFHO
to me or anything from another dimension. It looked like
it was a military grade drone. And the one thing
that I heard that kind of made sense was that
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there was some nuclear material that had been smuggled into
the country through New Jersey and they were looking for
it with these drones. But according to Trump, he said,
they know, you know where these things are coming from,
they know what these things are doing, and they don't
want to tell the people, which he was against that,
(08:03):
which I am too. But it was kind of a
you know, it wasn't a bad scary feeling when I
saw this thing, but it was like, you don't belong,
you know, flying over people's houses like this. But that
what I saw was clearly a drone. It was mechanically engineered.
I'm sure here. Now, what do you think about that?
(08:24):
I mean, do you think that's a possibility that that's
what's going on.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It's not. It's highly unlikely unless there's something behind the
nuclear material story that's been published that hasn't been published.
What happened was this nuclear material, this is medical waste specifically,
which was involved in the story that was published. Is
(08:50):
often stolen and it is repurposed, stolen smuggling abroad and
repurposed and resold into the medical supply chain abroad. There
are many countries in which they have not got the
ability to test the potency of nuclear materials that they
(09:14):
purchased for their X ray machines and so on and
so forth. So it's a big black market and this
is a routine. What I saw was a description of
an absolutely routine situation where a container is open that
contained low level medical waste, and this medical waste was
(09:38):
then this was then conflated into a big story that
sort of if you look carefully enough, you'll find stories
like this scattered across the media over the years, and
they rarely reach any particular level of importance because they're
not important stories.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
So what is your take on this? You're saying that
we really don't know what these things are not at all,
so they're not from here.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I wouldn't draw any conclusions. When you say we say
we don't know, we don't know, that doesn't mean we
don't know, but actually we do know you don't know.
Is that it's don't know. There's a pattern here, though,
(10:29):
which we can discuss. That is this the first time
this occurred in recent years. There may have been an
incident related in nineteen sixty five, but it's too far back,
and there were no drones then, and so it's impossible
to tell exactly what was going on. However, in twenty nineteen,
(10:51):
in northern Colorado and southern Nebraska, there weeks of drone
incursions in December and of twenty nineteen and January of
twenty twenty, which caused a considerable amount of public concern
and were investigated. The drones flew at night from six
(11:16):
to ten pm. They were found in groups of up
to nineteen, and they were not The FAA requires by
law waivers to fly drones at night and waivers to
fly drones in formation. No such waivers were asked for
(11:39):
by the FAA by these whoever was flying these drones.
The drones were not generally visible on radar. In fact,
I don't think at all. And they did not provide
infrared heat signatures any more than the drones over New
(11:59):
Jersey have. Now that alone is proof positive that there's
nothing we know about, because a drone is going to
have an engine and is going to have a very
significant heat signature. If you had looked at the one
over your house with an infrared sensitive camera, my guess
(12:21):
is that it was an ordinary drones which you're describing,
and it would have had a significant heat signature. If
it had been one of the anomalous ones, there would
have been no heat emanating from it. Okay to go on.
The next incursion happened in October of last year over
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Langley Air Force Base. There were numerous events over Langley
Air Force Base night after night. The government did not
do anything about them, even though one involved a near
miss with a with a fighter jet and they still
(13:07):
didn't act. Now, that has to be there has to
be a reason for that. Yes, it can't be ours
doing testing or whatever they may be doing if they're
going to nearly collide with one of our own jets,
I don't think. But at the same time, they didn't
respond because they obviously know what this is and they
(13:30):
know they can't respond, so then it Then then the
next thing happens. The United States sends nuclear materials to England,
they arrive at Lake and heath Raf and shortly thereafter
(13:52):
drones appear over Lake and heath our Af. This goes
back to a long history of anomalous objects appearing in
the context of nuclear proliferation. The first such incident took
place in nineteen forty six at White Sands when a
(14:17):
V two rocket was fired and when it had reached
an altitude of forty thousand feet, an unknown something caused
it to go off course. It was shot at by
something that was seen on radar, and it went off
course and was destroyed because it was by ground control
because it was off course. At the time, the United
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States was the only nuclear power in the world, and
we had not yet attached a nuclear weapon to a missile,
but clearly that was on the way a warning Therefore, then,
over the course of the nineteen sixties and into the
earth early seventies, both in the United States and Russia,
(15:03):
there were incursion incursions into missile control facilities, alterations of
targeting systems, damage to the facilities, especially in Russia and
clearly someone was there warning us in their own way
about the danger of nuclear war. At the same time,
(15:27):
starting in the nineteen seventies and continuing up through the
early two thousands, many thousands of people around the world
had close encounters of the third kind, in which many
of them were warned about environmental crisis. Now fast forward
to the present, Laken Heath a proliferation, a nuclear proliferation
(15:53):
of the first order. The United States, for the first
time in twenty years, is returning nuclear weapons to the UK.
These are nuclear weapons, unlike those that are already in
the UK, that would not be under the control of
the UK, but of the US, and they may be
attached to one of two new types of delivery systems
(16:18):
or both, one a stealth delivery system, two a hyper
speed delivery system, either of which could reach the Soviet
other Russian Russia unawares, meaning that this is profoundly destabilizing
to the balance of power, since these weapons could conceivably
(16:38):
reach Russia before Russia could react, so mutually assured destruction
goes by the boards. This could mean to the visitors
that nuclear war is inevitable because of the presence of
those weapons there that would explain why they would show
up there to warn us again the same way they
have consistently across the past. At the same time, Donald
(17:02):
Trump is elected president of the United States, and part
of his platform is to abandon environmental amelioration of environment,
of the environmental problems. I'm not interested in politics at all.
Nature to me is numbers. I can see what the
(17:23):
numbers say, and so can the visitors. They told me
seven years ago that we had seven years left. Now
we have five years left, and four of those five
years we will do absolutely nothing. Further in the United States,
China can't do it much more than they have done
(17:44):
because building of electric cars is one thing, deploying solar
farms is another thing, both of which they've done extensively.
But the real cleanup that it is going to be
blocked by by two things, by the inability of the
system to stay ahead of the need for coal, and
(18:08):
by corruption in the Red Army, which really controls the country.
Russia can't do anything because it's a poor, primitive country
for the most part on its back that has a
highly developed system of military projection, but nothing else. India
cannot and won't try anything because it's completely out of control,
(18:30):
and to change the pollution profile of India would take
a beyond belief amount of money and effort that they
do not possess. That leaves the US. Europe is already
trying and reasonably effectively. The US should have been trying.
(18:53):
It is, of all of these countries, it remains the
largest polluter and also the most organized and innovative economy
in the world. There's no question, I'm sure in their
minds is there isn't in mind that we could turn
this around. We are not going to touch it. By
the time the four years of are over, it will
be too late. Thus, they appeared over Donald Trump's Bedminster
(19:16):
golf club, and he said on the radio on the
television the other day he doesn't plan to stay there.
I don't blame it. There are two messages that have
been conveyed. The first message is a very very intense
one about nuclear war. The second one is equally intense
(19:37):
about the danger of climate change. These are the two
fundamental issues that the visitors have been interested in from
the beginning. That's what's happening.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Okay, Well, that is a totally new perspective, and I
appreciate that so much. I mean also the history of
all of this. Definitely, it's a whole different context around it.
So how do you see this resolving with the drones?
You think, well, you don't know what they are, so
they may stay around for a while.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
But here's what I have learned, never to second guess
the visitors. They think very asymmetrically and quite frankly. Uh,
there will come a point when they when they intervene,
and we lose dominion over our planet. I don't know
if this is the point, but it could happen. Uh,
(20:30):
they will at some point, and maybe they already have
made a decision or will make a decision as to
whether or not they want to let us go or
try to enable the species to survive. If they decide
that they will help us survive, then I'm not sure
we're going to actually want that, because we will want it.
(20:53):
We will. It'll be it'll be a new world. I
wrote a book a couple of years ago called a
New World for that reason. It will be a completely
in your world. It will not be like this at all.
It will change in absolutely fundamental ways. I can't predict
exactly what those ways are, but among other things, the
(21:14):
visitors are fluently telepathic. That is entirely real. It is
not a fantasy. It is a part of nature, just
like radio or anything else. And when you are with them,
you are too. This means that they are capable of
turning it on and off in us. If they turned
(21:34):
it on in us, in all of us, our world
would change in an instant, completely into something different from
what it is now. I think they probably have that capacity,
and the degree to which they will intervene, I don't
know if they do. I'm not sure we're going to
be happy with it. I don't think it's going to
(21:55):
be all sweetness, and like I fans to be very
hard a new world if you can take it. That,
if you can take it part is the question.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
And you can exactly. I mean, now, your new book,
you're talking about the superpowers that we have that we
haven't most of us haven't accessed. Tell us more about
your new book and why did you write this?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Okay, it's time for this book. It's exactly the right
time for it and be published on exactly the right day.
This book, The Fourth Mind, has two parts. The first
part demystifies the Grays by going into in detail their anatomy,
(22:45):
their biology, their brain functions and brain structures, and their
belief system insofar as it's understandable, and it shows how
they have made alterations in their genetic structure, some of
which have been effective, some of which have not. And
(23:07):
it goes into this more deeply than anything. In fact,
there's nothing ever been written that goes as deeply into
this on the outside of the secret government. It does
mirror what is known on the inside. And I look
forward to the day when that material is officially released
and biologists, not general writers, general interest writers like me,
(23:32):
can take a serious look at it. It has so
far only been looked at behind the scenes, and it
is explored insofar as I was able to without violating
any laws. In this book. The second part of the
book goes into the powers that we had in the
past and why we lost them. If you look at
(23:56):
the earth and forget all of the efforts that are
devoted to trying to explain away things that cannot actually
be explained away, you see things like the platform at
Balbec with one hundred ton stones that were moved carved
(24:20):
by unknown means, moved by unknown means down a known
causeway that is in no way reinforced in such a
way that stones like that could be rolled across it.
That's not how it was done. You look at Non Madal,
the group of artificial islands in the Carolinas in the Pacific,
(24:44):
seven hundred and fifty thousand basalt logs carved at a
nearby quarry and brought there to build these artificial islands,
a project huge that is unimaginable that we could achieve
(25:04):
it today, just like not and just like Baalbeck, just
like the fortress at Saksahuaman, and many other architectural artifacts
in India, I mean in Peru, just like some caves
that have been carved in India by unknown means. This
(25:26):
debris of this lost civilization is all over the planet.
And there's much more that I go into in the book.
Why is it lost? Why is it not like that?
I do think that aliens came and did this and
then left. I think it was us. I think we
had powers to do these things by a connection to
(25:51):
the Earth that was broken at an absolutely extraordinary time
in the past, known in geology as the Younger Dryases.
This period that started about twelve thousand years ago, was
incredibly violent, to give you. It's when the last Ice
(26:11):
Age ended, to give you an idea of the extraordinary
violence of what happened. The first thing that occurred was
that something impacted the planet. You find mammoth bones all
over North America, and if you look at their bone,
these bones under a microscope, you find microscopic bits of
(26:35):
iron in them. These animals were impacted by high speed
micro meteorites. At the same time, the entire continent caught fire.
The remains of that fire is something called the black mat,
which is extensive over the North American continent. It's sometimes
(26:59):
it's a depth of ten or twelve feet, sometimes just
a few inches. It consists of charcoal and algae, skeletons
of algae. What it was was, after this fire, the
glacier melted. The Lrentide Glacier melted, sending a flood across
(27:21):
the whole continent, extinguishing the fire and leaving a leak
that essentially lasted for about one thousand years, gradually settling
back on to the Earth, leaving this thick mass of
charcoal and dead algae which became the black mat, which
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geology geologists have been studying for years. It's not fiction.
It's well established fact, but it's so terrible that it is.
We literally don't think of it. We don't think of
this catastrophe. Before the catastrophe, we had these powers. Nature
(28:03):
turned against us. Human population around the planet dropped to
about thirty thousand individuals, and when we came out of it,
we were no longer connected to our Earth in the
way we had been, and our relationship to it, our
physical relationship to it, was broken. We have to regain it.
(28:25):
The visitors have their relationship still. If you are with them,
and I have been with I'm not going to bother
a pussyfoot around about it. I've been with them plenty.
If they touch you, you feel an incredible electricity going
through your body. It's not coming from them. It's because
(28:45):
they are connected with the Earth, and it reconnects you
with the Earth, and for a little while you have
extraordinary powers too. No kidding about how to regain our powers,
not by asking them for help, but by doing it ourselves,
and we.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Can well, this is fascinating with ley, and certainly your
experience is it says it all. I mean again, there's
nothing better than talking to somebody like you who's actually
had this happen, and you're here to tell us what
it was like and what we need to do. So
for people, I'm sure you deal with this in your book.
(29:25):
For people to regain this connection, it's going to take
more than just walking around and beare feet on the ground.
So what things do you talk about and can you
talk about in your book and here with us tonight
that can talk.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
About here tonight is this? First of all, the book's
not a self help book. We're going to have to
figure that out later. In other words, it doesn't have
it's not a course or anything. I've never found one
of those courses that really worked and did anything for
me personally. So any case, Uh, what the what the
(30:07):
book does do? Because it shows how various powers are
really uh? And what has closed us off? Like if
you say to someone you did you know human beings
can actually levitate? They tuned it out completely outside of
their experience. Western science tells us it seemed possible. And
(30:31):
I don't blame Western science. It seems impossible to me too,
but it wasn't always. In fact, I know a man
or knew he's passed on. Now, Paul, you know who
actually witnessed this and what let's be precise about what
he witnessed. He was at an exorcist. He was a
(30:54):
novice in the in the in the Catholic priesthood at
the time, and he was a sign as his mentor
was a local priest who was also the archidice and exorcist.
They went to a mental asylum where a young woman
the family. The young woman's family had asked for an exorcism.
(31:19):
She was struggling with schizophrenia and drug addiction. During the exorcism,
in front of the priest, the exorcist, Paul, the other assistant,
two assistants for two people, nurses from the facility, and
(31:41):
a psychiatrist, the woman rose up out of the wheelchair
to an altitude of about four or five feet, right
out of the movie The Exorcist. In fact, the story
might have even inspired I think it did inspire the
movie The Exorcist Exorcist in part. And I'm not even
(32:03):
going to bother to go down the old demon path
because it doesn't matter to me. What happened then was
the exorcist said to Paul, please push her down into
the chair. He pushed her back down into the chair,
and he told me there was a slight resistance. She
felt about like a balloon, meaning that this body of
(32:26):
say one hundred pounds weight, covered with clothing that probably
weighed another three or four pounds, had become not just light,
but lighter than air. That was done by this. We
don't recognize the power of this, we've lost touch with
(32:48):
what it really is, and we begin to regain our
connection to our own brains and minds, true selves. Listeners
haven't lost it. I've seen them levitate. I've levitated with them.
When they're with you, you go right up right with them.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
How did it feel?
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Extremely upsetting. I went up in the air without the
slightest warning the first time. It was like going up
in an elevator with no elevator, and it was quite exciting.
I'm telling you. I mean, but looking back the two
or three times it's happened, I would like to be
(33:34):
able to do that on demand. And I think that
if we can recognize that things like this and things
like telepathy are real, we'll be able to do that.
I don't see why not if we could in the past,
and when you're with the visitors, you're fluently telepathic. It's
(33:55):
as easy as pie. But when you're not with them,
you can't do it at all. That means it's in there,
but it's not turned on. We can turn it on,
and I think that the way to do that has
already been pointed out. There's a wonderful group of podcasts
(34:15):
on you can get them on Spotify or Apple or
anywhere called the Telepathy Tapes.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yes we've heard of them.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Yes, yeah. If you listen to the Telepathy Tapes, this
wonderful story emerges of these gentle, sweet people who are
not voiced, who are profoundly autistic, who have fluent telepathy,
and it's been proved it's not. And this is so critical.
(34:44):
The Western imagination has walled off all of this stuff
and what seems like enlightenment is in indeed that on
one level, but on another level it's a prison. And
we got a break out of the prison without losing
the enlightenment. That's going to be a good trick, but
we'll do it in any case. They and I have
(35:08):
I am enough telepathic to have engaged with some of
the the the they're called spellers. They spell rather than
speak telepathically a few times recently because I didn't know
they were there before. In any case. What it takes
(35:30):
is kindness and not lying. If you lie, you close
the door because you've got something to hide. You mustn't
have anything to hide. When you have nothing to hide
and you're kind and open, telepathy comes to you like
a scared little little puppy coming up because it's realizing, actually,
(35:56):
this is safe for me, and inside your self, that
part of you that is telepathic begins to feel safe
as well, and you become telepathic. And suddenly you realize,
I've been in love with the world in a way
I was denying myself and turning away from And it's
(36:20):
okay to be vulnerable. It doesn't matter. It's okay to
have things I am embarrassed by or ashamed of. Nobody
really cares. The other telepathic people have them too, and
we can just all live with it together. It's not
a big deal. Once you live like that, you start
(36:42):
to feel like that, you can concentrate carefully. You'll find
telepathy enters your life, first very slowly, very subtly, and
then more fully over time.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
So, now do you experienced telepathy.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
When I'm with another person who can reject telepathically. Sure,
I'm not going to go around pretending to be a
mind reader, because nobody can do that. I mean, yeah,
there are some very powerful people, and certainly the visitors
can read minds very easily, but the average person like me,
(37:26):
I'm not going to go down that path. I'm not
trying to read your minds.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Do the visitors have any aspirations for us? I mean
otherwise other than really wanting us to reconnect with the
earth and start being the caretakers we were supposed to be.
Do they have any aspirations for us reaching that level
to be able to communicate with them easily with telepathy,
to be able to levi atary, to be able to
(37:53):
do any of these amazing, wonderful things.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
They are the most parsimonious critters I've ever met. And
if they they they're here in numbers, and they're here
because they have something they want here badly, and uh
that is us. They want us at every level if
we the if we don't, well, let me see, I
(38:23):
sort of lost my train. Uh want us, they want
they will exploit us if they have to. In other words,
if we don't, if we don't have anything to give
to the relationship, they're going to take from us. They've
already taken a lot of sexual material from us, and
they have created hybrids. These hybrids are fluently telepathic. They
(38:43):
are unvoiced, and they are autistic because they have to
be the the the amount of of sensory input that
comes in has to be restricted in order for them
to be sure of this fluent telepathy. And if you
(39:05):
think about it, this is not a nice thing to do.
I don't think the visitors are angels. They're far from it.
They are definitely here for some of their own purposes
and their own reasons, and they are exploitative, but they
are also here for us. And if you're strong and
you want to do this, they will come. They will
(39:27):
come halfway again, get back to a new world if
you can take it. It means if you can strong
enough to stand up to them, strong enough to stand
up to your own needs and desires, strong enough across
the board. This is about being strong.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
So you've found a way to access that inner strength
when you are in their presence, so that you're not
just taken over by them, you are and equal with them.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Well, I mean I don't feel I'm certainly not taken
over by them. Who would want to take me over anyway,
I'm much too dull.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
The doubt that it's not about taking over.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Uh, it's not about taking over. Who wants you know?
You don't want to take over, you want to have
a relationship. Yes, I wants a robot. I mean, why
would they come all the way from wherever the hell
they've come from to turn us into a bunch of
robots speaking of doll That would be dull. They wanted
a action. They're here for the new and we have
(40:40):
that in spades for them. This is a rich resource
of newness for them, and they want it. I know.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
That interesting. So it's mainly people that they're interested in,
not so much what other people have said. They want
some resources, whether it be water, minerals, or whatever. It's
not about that.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Well water most all minerals. And we can always choose
something and say, oh, that's not common in the universe.
But if they can get around the universe comfortably, believe me,
it is so big that nothing anything, no matter how
rare it is, it's common somewhere.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
What makes us the interest to these people?
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Us?
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Just us? Aren't there? Other? Us is somewhere out there?
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Well, they're here now, So one thing I do think.
I think that intelligent species are quite rare. There's approximately
twenty one trillion planets in this universe according to science.
So if intelligent species are so rare as to be
(41:55):
essentially invisible in reality, that means only a billion or so.
And if this universe isn't the only one, then there
are billions of intelligent species out there, all looking up
at the sky at one time or another in their lives.
(42:19):
And believe me, sometimes somebody has figured out how to
climb Jacob's ladder. You can be sure of that.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Well, you talked about some of our history and how
we got cut off from our connection, But then there
is a lot of ancient information, whether it be in
go Beckley, Tepe or Egypt, about reaching these higher levels
of awareness. Yes, so that's a part of our history
(42:51):
too that we don't have enough information on. We have some,
but not a lot.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
The gold is lying there for to pick it up.
The mana is on the ground, it's right there. The
past has got a very clear message for us. I
go into that in the book. It's quite clear. And
if you do avail yourself of that wisdom, it's there
for you and you can use it, and it does work.
(43:21):
It works very well. The oldest piece of wisdom on
the planet is also what Buck mister Fuller called the
building block of the universe. It is this in the sphinx.
The sphinx has the haunches of a bull, that is strength,
(43:46):
the claws of a lion that is emotions, and the
intelligence of a man that is the head. Strength and
the emotion are balanced by the intelligence. That's the triad,
the fundamental building block of the universe. And if you
(44:09):
go into atomic physics, what do you see. You see
the neutron, the proton, and the electron. Every atom starts there.
The electron is the active principle, that is to say,
the emotions. The neutron is the passive principle, that is
(44:33):
to say, the I mean yeah. The proton is the
passive principle, and the neutron is the balancing principle that
brings them all together. So the Sphinx is an expression
of the atom and of consciousness, both in balance. And yes,
(44:59):
there's the lot of very extraordinary information available littered across
the past, a lot of it, and we can take
advantage of it. All we have to do is look
and we will find it. It's readily available. I wrote
(45:20):
a book called Jesus and New Vision, which is about
the message that Jesus has for us, and it's a
message that has been lost, but it's a really powerful message.
It's the most powerful single message I know of in
the sense not that it is unique, but it is
so compressed and so clear.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
What is that message?
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Well, the best place to start is be as little children.
That's where to start. Don't be afraid to be who
you really are. Behind all of the layers of personality,
there's somebody who once had a lot of fun and
(46:08):
can again. My wife was up, truly. You see her
back there beside the communion lady. She was a master.
And although i'm you know, she's passed on, and so
I can safely say that without getting slapped her out.
She was no she she always said, no, there's no
(46:32):
such thing. Anyone who calls themselves a master is no
master at all. But I know what she was and
what I saw her become over her years. And she
used to say, it all begins with laughter. As soon
as you can start to laugh at yourself, you can
(46:55):
start to learn and know yourself. Meister Eckhart, the great
theological master of the twelfth century used to say God
laughs and plays. And here is his description of the creation.
(47:16):
God laughed, and his laughter begat the sun, and the
sun laughed. Then they laughed together, and their laughter begat
the Holy Spirit. And they all laughed together, and out
of their laughter toward the universe. We close these shades
on the little cottage of our lives so we don't
(47:38):
have to hear that laughter or see that light. Open
the shade. Seems like that's the scariest thing to do
in the world, could never do, But it's actually really easy.
Just laugh at yourself. You can easily find ways of
laughing at yourself. I can for sure. And yeah, and
(47:58):
look at who you really are. What are you going
to find. You're going to find you've done all kinds
of things in your life that you think, oh my god,
why did I ever do that? But you're also going
to find somebody else, somebody who started out and who
had all kinds of expectations and hopes. And you can
go back there. One time this is oh, go.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Ahead, Oh that's okay. We're waiting for your next thought.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Here. One time the visitors call I had been begging
and pleading with them, whining. My wife said, how could
they ever ever spend any time with a whiner like you?
If if they come, I mean it works, they get
sick and tired of it, and they come anyway. I
(48:50):
was covetching and whining, and I wanted to meet them physically.
This was in about nineteen eighty eight, and I had
a bench in in the little woods behind my house,
and I would sit on the bench and imagine one
of them coming and sitting beside me and we could
talk and all this fantasy. So one morning, February morning,
(49:15):
just before dawn, I hear this trumpet sound above the house,
and I think, oh my god, it's them. There couldn't
be anything else. There's no other way to explain it.
So I think I'm gonna do it. I get up,
I grab my robe I'm in bed at the time,
(49:36):
grab my rope, put it on, put on my slippers,
and go outside. It's cold, snow on the ground, not
a lot, fortunately, but enough. Go across the deck behind
the house. I go up onto the hill that's just there.
The woods are naked. Beyond the naked woods is a clearing,
and in the clearing there is something making a noise
(49:58):
when clank, clank, clank. It's the noise their machines make
when they're when they're just idling. And I can see
this black thing there and some figures standing beside it,
and I think, my god, my God. And so I
walk up onto the little crest and I start to
go down the path. I stopped for a minute, just
(50:20):
out of amazement, and I hear in my head this voice, go,
come on, come.
Speaker 5 (50:29):
And it's so scary I couldn't take another damned step myself.
Oh my god, If I go down there and I
disappear and never she ends up with no ability to support.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Her and our boy. All right, So I go back
to the house. I put my hand on the doorknob,
and I hear three cries from above the woods.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Oh oh oh.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
They remain to this day, the three only truly perfect
sounds I have ever heard, the three most emotionally rich
sounds I have ever heard. I proceed into the house,
I get to the bedside. I sit on the bedside.
I realized there was someone I can't see in the room.
(51:21):
By that time, we were very sensitized to the fact
that we would often have people in the house. We
couldn't see, so it was no big The cats could
see them, so it was easy to see when they
were there, the cats would be watching them. The cats
weren't there, and at I just I don't remember the
cats being around. I realize I'm face to face with
(51:42):
someone I can't see. The Next thing I know, I'm
suddenly in a completely different place. I am in a room.
There are these tall, thin sort of sticks standing up,
and I appear to be gl rather than walking. I'm speaking,
(52:03):
What in the world has happened? Then I look up
and I recognize what the sticks lead to. It's my
mother's desk from when I was a baby, in my room.
What they have done is they have taken me back
to the moment I first walked. Huh, and so vividly.
(52:26):
It is as if my adult mind has been projected
into my baby body, passed through time. Goodness, realize what
it means. You're still a baby, Whitley, but you've taken
your first step.
Speaker 6 (52:44):
Oh you see, if we can open our minds to
this and just let it happen, Yes.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
Wow, this we can do this.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Witterally, this I have to tell you. I feel like
we just sat down two seconds ago, and now agree.
I agree second Chanelle saying we have one minute to wrap.
I'm writing, Oh no, Brittley, thank you so much. Your
book is on sale in January, correct, yes, okay, everybody,
(53:26):
you got to get blind and yeah, I'm sure it's
on Amazon, and all the bookstores are carrying it.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
No, the bookstores won't carry it.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
They won't.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Well they don't carry my books.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
Okay, well from.
Speaker 3 (53:39):
Amazon, as long as it's there, and I'm not even
sure how long it will be there.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
So well, everybody get ready and run to your internet
and buy this process. Yes, yes, Whitley, please come back.
We just love having you here. You so, you're such
a delight and we think the world so thank you
so much. Our producers is going to cut us off,
(54:07):
so we'll see you in the new year. And but
we will have two more shows that are going to
air that are repeats. Be sure you catch them. And
until then, everybody, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year. We will
see you on the Blue Highway. Good night.
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