October 1, 2024 • 53 mins
Jim is a popular podcaster of the campfire series, founded in 2005. The paranormal podcast is the longest running paranormal podcast on the internet. Jim's podcast has been downloaded over 65 million times.http://www.jimharold.com/
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Arch angels, ghosts, and Bigfoot. Oh my, it's just another
night for Supernatural Girls and real stories, real answers to
life's biggest supernatural mysteries. And now for another exciting interview
with paranormal experts from this world and others. Here's your host,
paranormal researcher Patricia Baker on the One the Only Supernatural Girls.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Welcome everyone to another exciting episode of Supernatural Girls. I'm
your host, Patricia Baker. I'm here with my co host
all the way from Tucson, p K.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
How are you absolutely fabulous?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Oh good, the sun is still up.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I just can't wait.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Wait for what is the question in the world.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I'll tell you to feel like being put out a spit,
were just start creaking.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Around exactly exactly. Well, we have a great show tonight.
We're going to get to it. We do a couple
of minutes. He is an amazing podcaster and he knows
the art of the story, so yes, he does him soon.
But before we do, we've got a crazy world out
there that's getting worse. What's going on?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Well, let's just talk about this crazy world that we
happen to be in right now. This month is a
preview of next year, folks, So hang on to the
side of the chair and ride the waves. It's I'm
not going to say it's going to be great, it's
not going to be horrible. Depending on what year you're
going into, this month previews it next year, as they say.
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And for those that are going into different years, every
month this year. If you're in a one going into
a one year, you'll be previewing that if you're going
into a two. So when we take a look at it,
if you're going into a one year, it's all about
fresh starts and new beginnings. There's hope there sounds good,
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doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
It does.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And if you're going into a two year, it's about partnerships.
Relationships being overly sensitive, which could also make you insensitive.
So remember the teter totter goes. Both sides get to
go up and down. The three year is all about
worklow but it's about creativity, communications, and there's a luck
factor that goes with three. So enjoy working with that
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and say the things you need to say, but don't
be a little rembunctious with how some things come out.
If you're in a four year, it's going to be
about details, work, work related issues, perfect time to get
a good physical, get a good up, that type of thing.
If you're in a five year, it's going to be
about major changes, and again it has a luck factor
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to it, and the major changes that are going on,
it's going to give you opportunity to really feel good,
do something different. You know, if you've never decided you
like the color red, all of a sudden, you're going
to want to wear it. So you're going to be
pulling out things that aren't the norm.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
If you're going into a six year, it's all about family,
family type responsibilities, wanting things to be perfect, but it
also tends to make a person a bit of a middler.
So allow it to be as perfect it can be
not what you think it should be.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Okay, good advice, I might.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Save your backside. Yeah, you still sit down when the
year's over exactly. And if you're in a seven year,
it's going to deal with your finances, but it's also
it has a lot to do with setting goals, achieving
things that you really want to lay out, the things
that you really want to work towards. Seven years. You're thoughtful,
you think a lot, you put things in order. So
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that part's good, but I will tell you you're going to
have difficulties sleeping. Anytime we're in a seven months, day
or year, we have difficulties sleeping. Ah, the Princess and
the pe you're positive there's this big boulder in your bed.
It'll be a little tiny pee. But it is as
it is. If you're going into an eight year, it's
about your finances, and it's about putting things together and
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about what you want to do and being in control
being chairman of the board. You're going to do it
your way. If you have to use a chair and
a whip to make it happen, you're going to do
it your way. It's just part and parts of it.
But it's also a good money making tide. Oh and
then we come to the nine year, and it's all
about what we do for everybody else. It's about the
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world at large, and it's about making things more user
friendly people, places and things. It's about making their world better,
which in turn will make your world better. It's more
spiritual the seven and nine, but the rest of it
start building lead up to what you want. You'll be
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surprised the good things that can come out of the
nine year because it allows you to get rid of people,
places and things that no longer fit in your world.
Take advantage of it, and it doesn't become painful because
it's kind of like an automatic thing. So from that standpoint,
I think it has a lot to offer us and
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that's really the best that's to come. And I put
something more on my Facebook page if anybody wants to
take a look at that y we'll give more details
about everything.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
If anybody wants their own reading and more in depth
about what year you're in as well as what you
can expect to come about for you in that year,
then go to Patricia Kirkman dot com and contact k
see what you can work out for an appointment. It's
well worth it. It's just some nuts out there. I
never thought I would see the day when on a minute,
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Honey turned down help for a devastated area. But anyways,
we are now going to move over to the stuff
we love. The paranormal and incredible podcaster story teller. Oh
my goodness, he was doing this even before we were.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
You can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, So let me tell you he's the leader of
the pack here, Jim Harold. He is one of the
most trusted voices in paranormal podcast captivating audiences with his
hit shows like The Paranormal Podcast, the longest running podcast
of its kind, and Jim Harold's Campfire, which had been
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downloaded over sixty five million times.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
That's just incredible.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Known for his kind demeanor with storytellers and his unique perspective,
Jim combines a professional broadcasting background with a lifelong passion
for the supernatural to create some of the most compelling
shows in the genre today. Jim is also the author
of the popular Campfire book series, with several titles reaching
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number one in the supernatural category on Kindle. Jim continues
to evolve and keeps things fresh, delivering spooky content from
real people and subject experts that is as intriguing as ever.
He lives in Ohio or his podcast from the Spooky Studio,
and he loves what he does and continues to be
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inspired by his loyal audience. And here we are, Spooky October,
our number one guy.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Hello, Happy October. Thank you for welcoming me to the
show today.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Light here.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yes, what a long history you've had. How did the
game really saw this coming?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Huh? I didn't I didn't see it coming at all.
I actually I had gone to school and graduated in
the early nineties with a broadcasting background. In school, and
like so many people, you know, back in the day,
it was really before the internet got kicked off in
any kind of major way, and they said, you know,
you go to a radio station or TV station and
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get a job doing anything, sweeping the floors, that's how
you would break into the business. So after I got
my nice communication degree, I went and worked in sale
as a sales assistant because it was a job at
a radio station. And then lo and behold, I fell
into advertising sales and woke up about twelve years later
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and said, wait a minute. You know, this whole idea
of me doing something in front of the mic or
in front of a camera that's kind of dead because
I'm married, I've got two kids, I've got a mortgage
I can't count. And that was two thousand and five
and I heard about this thing called podcasting, and it
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was brand new, and very few people knew what it
was except for kind of techno nerds like myself. And
I said, you know what, I love the paranormal, you know,
going back to Leonard Nimoy in the nineteen seventies when
I was a little kid watching that growing up in
elementary school, and then went on the Unsolved Mysteries, started
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reading a lot of books, and I said, you know what,
maybe I'll just do a paranormal podcast. And to give
me an idea of how early it was, there were
some podcasts that's time on the subject. I'm like, well,
you know, what would be a good name, and I'm like,
a paranormal podcast, paranormal podcast, another paranormal podcast, of course,
and I thought for sure somebody had that, which they
did not. So that's how early it was. And we've
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gone from you know, there being just a handful of
shows then to now there's probably thousands of yea of
paranormal podcasts. It's one of the most popular genres that
in true crime, probably in all of all of podcasting.
But I had no idea. I thought, I'm doing this
as a hobby to kind of scratch that broadcasting itch,
and also because I'm fascinated by this stuff. It won't
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be cool to talk to these people about this area
of common interest. And it's totally blindsided by the fact
that you know it was going to become my full
time job, which I did a dozen years ago, and
very thankful to my audience for all their support.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
It's tremendous really what you've eblished.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Inspired by what you're doing and what you've done. And
you've got this new book out.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, here I have it.
Try to get a where it doesn't I'm not like,
you know, there's hand bottles on TV. They do well,
that's the that's the first one. But this one looks
very similar, just has a six on the front. I'm
not like one of those great TV hand models. They
know exactly how to hold something else when I would,
I would never make it as a hand mom.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
This is wonderful.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So, I mean, storytelling is so powerful, and you're telling
true stories in this book, true through ghost stories. But
you know, stories have an effect on us. They really
can change our consciousness, they can change the way we
think about things, and so I always love having storytellers
on the show because there's a lot of power in this.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
It's fun too.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I mean I can see everybody definitely copy of this
book that you've just put out, which is wonderful, and
sitting by a fire.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
You know, reading the book out loud on Halloween.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
It's just a wonderful way to bring the family together
and scare them to death, but.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
All in one fell swoop. Yeah, that's right. Who I
have to thank for this are my storytellers that come
on my show, Jim Harrold's Campfire, because that's probably my
most popular show, and that show is basically where people
call in with their real life stories. So this is
as you said, this is the sixth book, but it
only really covers maybe the first six five six years
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of the show. I mean, all of the books, I
probably have enough. If I stopped today, I could still
probably do five more books, because what we do is
we take two or three years and we kind of
pick out some of our favorite stories and we just
clean up the grammar a little bit, but we don't
change the detales and just put them together. And it
is true ghost stories and more. There's a lot of
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kind of tweeer stories in there. Ones I call head scratchers,
things that don't quite make sense. It's kind of like,
what is that? Because it's not exactly a ghost, but
it's not exactly normal, you know. So really the storytellers
are the ones that deserve the credit, and I'm very
honored that people come on the show and share their
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personal stories.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, I mean it's powerful to do that. And it's
a time in life when people are more accepting of this, right, well.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Yeah, I think even more so, you know, I mean
this has been done for years. I mean the Great
Coast to Coast am to Ghost to Ghost with Art Bell,
you know, So this is you know, telling stories around
the campfire, virtual or real is you know, as long
as the oral language. So it's not a new idea.
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But I would say even in this particular show, Jim
Harold's Campfire started in two thousand and nine, and I
would say even in the last fifteen years, people have
become more accepting of sharing these kind of stories. And
you know, I think we're seeing something now where you know,
I think it's been okay for a while to share
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your ghost story. It's been a little more acceptable with
all the TV shows and everything. I think now we're
starting to get to the point where some of maybe
the UFO stories are starting to become more acceptable because
more and more has come out the the government says
that they're real and if whistleblowers are to be believed
the government knows a lot more than they're telling us.
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But I think I think that's starting to become a
next area where people are starting to feel a little
more comfortable saying yeah, I saw something, because I think
for a long time, if you say you saw a ghost,
I mean almost everybody's family has a ghost story, but
if you say you saw a UFO, the people might.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Be, yeah, I don't know about it exactly. Unfortunately that's
the truth.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, unfortunately, yeah, because it's I mean, the government I
think has done a great job with disinformation those reputations
who did have the courage to come forward long ago.
But with cell phones now they can't stop it. It's
like cell phones on there's a light in the sky,
it's around the world. They can't control it anymore. So
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it's it's changed world. And I appreciate that, and I
appreciate the people still coming forward that are calling your
show and telling a story. It's wonderful.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Yeah, it really is. I mean I always tell people
when they call into the show, thanks for calling in,
because if you don't call in, there is no show.
They kind of make it possible because the Paranormal podcast,
which I'm still running as far as I know. I
will be corrected if I'm wrong. The longest running podcast
of its type. There's people who started like a couple
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months after me still going, but as far as I know,
it's the longest one that's continuously running. But the point
is that's more interviews with authors and experts, and I've interviewed,
you know, a wide range of people if you're talking
about ghostly stuff. I've had Amy Bruney on, I've had
Steve Gonzals on, I've had a wide range of the
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late great Brad Steiger, who wrote many many books on
the supernatural. Had him as a guest multiple times, the
great Rosemary Ellen Guiley, who was a guest many times
on the shows. And I love doing that show. But
I also I think if I had to pick, I
would almost pick Jim Harrold's Campfire because it's just talking
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to everyday people about their experiences and maybe they're not
steeped in the theories, and maybe they don't know, you know,
the history of these different phenomena, but they know what
they saw, and I think it's really cool to get
to kind of help facilitate sharing their story.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, I think so great so for you, what scares you.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
I do think there's true evil in the world. Now
I've talked to I've done for some of my shows
quite a few interviews with some of my New Age friends,
and you know, they have great wisdom and in part,
but sometimes people will say something like, well, Jim, there
is no evil, there's just a lower vibration. And in
my view, that's totally their opinion, and that's okay. You know,
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I think sometimes in society these days, we've lost the
ability to agree to disagree. But what I would say
is that basically it's a situation where it's kind of
something where we're in a situation where and I'm just
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turning up my mic a little bit because I understand
it's a little low well very good. Well, anyway, hats
off to your producer for pointing that out so great,
the point being that I can agree to disagree. However,
I will say this, I think evil is real. I
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think evil is very real, and it is present. And
I guess true evil frightens me, you know the other
thing that frightens me or kind of bugs me or
bothers me. And I'm not saying it's not true, but
I'm saying that if it's true, I'm disturbed by it
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is many of my ghost hunting friends and paranormal investigator friends,
which I'm not. I'm very clear i'm not. I'm just
behind the mic. I'll say something like, you know, they're
stuck souls and those kind of things. You know, maybe
somebody who died under tragic situations and died very suddenly.
And to me, that's extremely disturbing because I would hate
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to think that you're stuck simply because you died in
a tragic or sudden manner through no fault of your own,
because I like to think, you know, eventually, the universe
is just, and I would hate to think that somebody
is stuck to some kind of eternal torment because you know,
they got hit by a car, I guess. So anyhow,
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those are the things that that kind of scare or
in the latter case.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Bother me, right right, So.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
My biggest fear, I guess in the paranormal world of
skin walkers.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, that's because what I see with them is that
they can actually walk between the worlds and owned by
either one, so very difficult energy to navigate and I've
heard some terrible stories about people who've encountered skin walkers.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
What have you heard?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Well, I mean, that is a frightening thing. And uh,
one of the most frightening things, to be honest with you,
is this hitchhiker effect. Are you familiar with the hitchhiker effect. Yeah,
this idea that people who worked on worked at Skinwalker
Ranch and so forth, that and studied UFOs and those
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kind of things, that paranormal activity would follow them home.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
So I heard that that's actually what happened to mister Bigelow,
that something followed him home, and that's one of the reasons.
I don't know if it's true or not, but I
heard that was one of the reasons that he decided
to sell the ranch.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
I think that would do it.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I think it following me.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
I don't know if you have gotten to read the
new Luis Alessando book yet, but you talked about kind of,
of course, being the whistleblower who was kind of the
head of a tip and left the government. So anyway,
the point being that he said, even in his capacity,
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he had things and orbs and things following him home
in his house Okay, So to me, that kind of
brings up the question if we're talking about UFOs, and
I know that's not necessarily topic tonight, but if you're
talking about UFOs, it's a situation where I mean, I
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came from kind of like the Stanton Friedman kind of
point of view. UFOs were machines piloted by aliens. But
a lot of this stuff makes you think, are they
is there something else going on? Are they crypto terrestrials
from down below? I know some Harvard researchers lately have
been looking at that question, and it kind of caused
quite a kerfufflous summer when they came out in a
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scholarly journal and suggested it should be looked into more.
I got a little bit of pushback from the mainstream.
I think, you know, are they around us right now?
And do we not know? So? I mean that's the thing,
you know, doing these shows for almost twenty years now,
people say, well, what did you learn? Well, what I
think I've learned is this, and it's encapsulated in this
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quote that has been around for way before I was around.
But I think it really encapsulates it very well. And
I'll probably won't get it exact, but the gist is this,
not only is the universe stranger than you imagine, the
universe is stranger than you can imagine. Oh I like
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that and it's true. Well, I think it's true. Though
I think there's so much going on that we don't understand.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Yes, that I agree with, very true.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
It is a bit confusing, I think for us, and
we know that information continues to be withheld, and certainly
we agree with you that evil is real.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
It does exist.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
And actually you start off in your book one of
your first isn't it your first story?
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yeah, the devil is real. Yes, I'd I'd be glad
to share it with you if you'd like me to.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yes, definitely.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
So this is from Mariah from Pennsylvania. She was a
caller to the show and she said that she's always
used weigiboard since she was a little child. And she says,
you know, some people frown on it, but hey, they've
always interested her. She started way back when she was
a young girl with her friend Molly years ago. They
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would play it every single night over the summer, whether
it was at Molly's house from Maria's house, they would
be playing with wige aboard. So over time they kept
getting this spirit who would come through Gail. It was
the same spirit every time, and at the time it
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seemed innocent. Nothing was weird, aside from the fact that
she thought she was talking to the dead. So she
had heard, and I don't know if this is true,
but she had heard some speculation that putting the wige
aboard on the floor somehow disrespectful. So this particular evening
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they propped the board up on a broken unplugged guitar amplifier.
So remember it's a broken unplugged guitar amplifier, and not
much was happening. But then as they're playing with the
wage aboard, the plant chet stops and things get eerily quiet.
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Then by itself, neither Maria or Mariah or we're touching it,
the unplugged amp clicked on and started making sounds like
an old radio tuner like I Come, complete with sound effects.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
That's great.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Well, anyway, they were taken aback by the the sound.
This amp's broken, it's unplugged. What's going on? Suddenly they
hear this deep southern voice of a man who sounded
like a preacher, talking like a preacher would and he
said the devil is real, and then the amp audibly
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clicked off by itself. She said she never ran so
quickly in her life, and her and Molly were running
over each other to get out of that room. Now,
she said, some might question her judgment, but she went
right back to the weede aboard after and still plays
with it now, still doesn't know what happened that.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Night, though, Oh my goodness, you got your little go yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
More guts than me. I'm kind of like if you
remember that old movie The Ghost and Mister Chicken, Yes,
that would be me.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I represent that.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Well, all of these ghost stories are. I think a
lot of them are very interesting. But they also they
open a doorway for so many people to the other
side and to another world where the dead actually live on,
and some of them are here and don't get the
boss over for whatever reason.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
So yeah, I absolutely believe in the afterlife. And even
though I believe that that there are other things that
play sometimes, I am a big believer in the afterlife.
I think it's the most fascinating aspect of the paranormal,
simply because you know, not everybody will necessarily see a bigfoot,
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Not everybody will see a UFO. But eventually, hopefully many
many years from now, we have to cross that boundary.
Even if we believe we live on which I do believe,
we have to cross that boundary. So it's the most
universal experience other than birth is death. So it's something
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that really whether you're a hardcore atheist and you think
this is all crazy stuff or you're the biggest believer,
you're still gonna go through that process. So it is
the ultimate question. And it's funny because people will say,
well does this get you? Ask me, what was the
thing that frightened me the most? Actually, all of this
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has kind of reassured me that there's more to life
than just what you can weigh on a scale, a
measure and a test to And I always did believe
that on some level. I mean I always did believe
in things like a creator and the afterlife and so forth.
I believe in it more now than I did when
I started the shows. Now I do think it's not
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as easy, easily categorized maybe as I used to think
it is, or it's easily explained or put in certain boxes. Yes,
but the fact that more than just material stuff exists,
I'm more convinced than ever.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Mm, yeah, that makes sense absolutely.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
One thing on the shows that really fascinates me is
when we get into the topic of time slips. Would
you like to hear a time slip story?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yes, we love Yeah, that's.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
A good one. Well, this is again a caller talking
about story. When she was a young girl. It was
Jennifer from Idaho and this was the early eighties and
they lived in a smallish town in Idaho and her
and her friend Connie would go on different little adventures.
As you know, it was a different time. A lot
of times, you know, there were no cell phones, so
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kids would go out in the morning and say see
at dinnertime. Mom. You know it wasn't yeah different different,
I'm a different place. So anyway, she and her friend said, hey,
we're going to go down to the lake. You know,
ten years old and I don't know if I let
my kids go to a lake by themselves, but anyway,
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they were going to the lake. So it was a
couple miles away down the railroad tracks. There was a welled,
abandoned railroad tracks and they said we're going to go
and very important to this story the railroad track that
led to their little area where they lived. Into the
lake was a straight shot. There were no tracks that
went off on another track. It was one straight shot,
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one way in, one way out. So anyway, they start
to walk down to the lake down these railroad tracks,
and after a while, maybe a mile, I don't know,
they come to a clearing and there's a bunch of
houses and there's probably a woman, I'm guessing from her
description sixty ish or something or maybe sixty five or something,
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putting out close on the clothesline, and she has what,
you know, uh, used to be referred to as a
house dress, like I remember my grandma. Yeah, there a
house dress. I remember wearing them. So anyhow, the woman
started talking to them, and she was very very nice,
and she had a raspberry bush there and said, hey,
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you girls, do you want some raspberries? And they're like sure,
So they kind of stick out their shirts like basket style,
and the one puts the raspberries in, and Jennifer said
later her parents probably weren't happy with the stains in
her shirt, so they ate some raspberries, continued talking to
her and said their goodbyes and went on to the lake.
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Had a good day. They had it back when they
had it back there were woods and there were woods,
and there were woods. There was no clearing, there were
no houses, there was no woman, no clothesline, and no
raspberry bush. So they go back home and they're kind
(30:04):
of like puzzled, what in the world's going on. So
a couple days later, Jennifer's talking to her grandma and
she said, Grandma, let me tell you this thing that happened.
And she tells her, what are there houses there? Did
I miss something? She said, well, there were houses there
in the nineteen twenties before the railroad came through. Now, Jennifer,
(30:25):
to her credit, she uh, you know, she wanted to
check this out before she called in. So she talked
to her friend Connie as adults, and she said, Connie,
you know, I remember this story from the eighties when
we were kids. I'm going to run the details by you. You
tell me, am I misremembering? Is this something I dreamed?
Did I see it on TV? I mean, I swear
(30:47):
this happened to us, and every detail. Connie checked the
box and said, Yep, that's what happened. That's what happened,
that's what happened. That's what happened. And I've heard other
stories like this too, and I believe that sometimes the
conditions are just right that we can step back in time.
And there's been there's a famous case, I think in
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Liverpool where people walked out and saw like a street
from the fifties or something. I've had people tell me stories.
I have one woman who was out playing with her
friends and they saw this old house and a little
boy with knee pants, and it was a distance, but
the boy saw them, and the group saw the boy
in this old looking house, and the woman came out
(31:30):
and she was kind of like an old clothing and
pulled the boy back inside. A couple week later, they
went to the same area. There was the old foundation
of a house, but there was no house. So I mean,
to me, I think these things are possible.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Really.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
I don't think it happens every day necessarily, but I
do think if the conditions are right, because I mean,
scientists say, you know, we believe time is linear, but
in actuality it's not. You know, I've heard people talk
about Mike Ricksecker, for example, talking about the stacked time theory, right,
(32:10):
or the idea it's kind of like that. I always
get the title that movie wrong, everything everywhere, all at once,
or whatever it was. But the idea is that it's
all happening right now, but we're just accessing it as
we're accessing it. But everything that ever happened to us
and everything that is going to happen to us is
(32:30):
happening right now, which doesn't make any sense to me.
But I mean, and I've heard somebody else. There's just
one physicist I can remember Russia, or philosopher I don't
know Orsh I could remember his name. It's like a book,
and if you take the pages from the you know,
if I read this book in a row, I'm experiencing
it in the line or mode. If I rip the
pages out and throw it on the floor, they all
(32:51):
exist at the same time. I'm reading this book. All
these pages are there, but I'm just accessing the page
that I'm looking at right now. It really when you
get into it's really mind bending stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
It really is, and it's fascinating to hear these stories.
And now there are time slips, but there's also people
who disappear into other realities and never make it back.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Well, let me tell you, let me tell you. I've
got a story about that one that and this is
that in this book, but it's in one of the books.
I think it might be the second one. This is
my favorite story we've ever had on the show, and
I think it might be someone who narrowly missed exactly
what you're describing. It's called the and I have probably
(33:37):
told this story five hundred times telling on every show.
Well it is, I think so anyway, And it's got
a couple of little interesting wrinkles to it. The most
stories I do don't have. So first of all, the
person's name is Ti. She lives in Michigan. But every
summer she would go to this kind of campground spend
(34:00):
a couple of weeks with their family and things over
the summer. You know, grown up campground. You know, I guess,
I don't know if they have the cabins or people
have trailers and stuff. So this one particular tens up
in Wisconsin. So this one particular night, she and a
male friend went to see a band about an hour away.
They're both musicians, so they went to see this band.
(34:23):
It was at like a bar, they close a place
down two o'clock or so. They even went backstage and
because they were fellow musicians. They were talking shop, and
they left about two thirty or something like that in
the morning, and they're about an hour away from the campground.
And this is like rule two lane roads, no street lights,
(34:45):
no light pollution. It's you know, it's like it is dark.
So they're driving along. It's t I and her friend Bob,
and they get a little ways down the road and
Tea I's like, Bob, I've got to go to the restroom.
And he basically said, well, pull up a tree. I
don't know what to tell you. And she said, now,
just drive fast. And they go along another fifteen minutes
(35:07):
or so, and then they see this bar and the
joints jumping lights are on, thump thump thump of music.
There's cars in the parking lot, multiple cars. I'm like,
that shouldn't be open, but hey, let's not look a
gift towards in the mouth. And they pull in and
Bob says, oh, I'm so glad we came here because
there's like kind of a notable mural on the wall,
(35:29):
an old West mural. I've heard about it, I've never
seen it. This is great because we'll finally you know,
I finally get to see this. So they go in.
T I goes the restroom. I think Bob gets a
couple of soft drinks from the bar. They're sitting there.
They there's an old Waltzer kind of jukebox, like the
(35:51):
real thing, you know, with the vinyl and the whole thing,
not kind of a make believe ones now, and you know,
everybody's acting kind of weird. They're kind of like smiling,
they're kind of spacey, uh, and kind of looking. These
people are kind of weird. And then this guy walks
up to TI and he's put Chubby Checkers, Let's Twist
(36:15):
Again on the jukebox, and he smiles at t I
and he's a mouthful of rotten teeth and he said,
I want to dance, and t I used a cane,
so she showed the cane and she said she's really
she said, saved by the cane again. That's her her words,
not mine. And she ended up he ended up walking away. Uh.
(36:39):
And then they started looking at the mural and they
noticed something t II noticed at first, everybody in the
mural was a real person. In the bar, Uh. There
were some guys playing cards in the mural and the
same guys were over by a pool table in a corner.
There was a woman in them on what they used
(37:00):
to call back in the day, a dance hall girl,
and she was standing on the bar there, obviously not
dressed up like a dance hall girl, but the same person.
And it went on and on and on, and they
went and they asked the bartender said, are you guys
in the mural? And they just smiled and didn't say anything,
and it was just a weird, weird vibe. And the
(37:23):
guy started playing Let's Twist again for a second time,
and then he went on to play it a third time,
which was really kind of twice. Maybe you like a
song three times early bare And they keep looking at
this mural and they noticed something they didn't know before.
And it's like an Old West saloon, right, It's like,
you know, there's a bar, there's a bartender, dance hall girl,
(37:45):
guys playing cards. That's the scene. And they're swinging doors.
Remember back in the old Westerns when the guy come
in and say I want to see bart I won't
have a showdown, right, Well, howdy pilgrim. But anyway, so
basically there were swinging doors, but there was something in
(38:08):
the swinging doors in the picture that they didn't notice
at first because it wasn't there, but now it was there,
seemed to be kind of two misty columns. One was shorter,
one was taller. I'm like, we didn't notice that before.
They looked away, and they looked back, and it started
to look like an old polaroid picture that was developing
(38:29):
in and one looked like a man and one looked
like a woman. And they looked away, and they were
talking this more and looked back and t I's like,
oh my gosh, the woman has curly hair. I have
curly hair. The woman has cowboy boots. I have cowboy boots.
Oh my god. The woman has a cane. I have
a cane. At that point, they decide we're getting out
(38:52):
of there, okay. And then when they started to leave,
all the people were going come back, come back, come back.
T I says. They closed the door. Everything went stone cold, dark,
like it'd never been open. The doors closed, all the
lights that were on or off. That's it. So anyhow,
(39:18):
you would think that's the end of the story, but
it's not. They get ready to leave, they they get
into their car and they notice they have the only
car in the lot. Now, if that were be I
would never come back again. Like I said, goes to
mister Chicken, right, yeah, well t I's made him stronger stuff.
(39:39):
So she said, I'm going back, and I think she
took her sister maybe with her, because everybody's like, ah,
you guys, just imagine it, blah blah blah da da da.
And they went back a couple of nights later. Now
she wasn't brave enough to go at three o'clock in
the morning. She went like eight eight o'clock at night
or something. She went in. She went and looked. They
had a jupe bi but it was a CD jukebox. Okay,
(40:03):
it was not the old willetz er. It was a
CD jukebox. I think this might have happened early two thousands.
That would have been the thing that time. No Chubby Checker. No,
let's twist again. She goes to the bar. She talks
to the bartender. It's a younger woman, probably in her twenties,
(40:25):
and she's talking to hers like, yeah, we were in
here the other night. You know, it was like three
o'clock in the morning on Saturday, you know, going into Sunday.
The one was like, we closed up at midnight that night,
but I was here there there's this bartender, big, young,
strapping guy, good looking guy. It's like, there's nobody who
at tends bar like that. The only people that tend
(40:46):
bar here me and my elderly father. And then she
left the roadhouse saloon. Now she used to say I've
never been back, but I think she actually did end
up going back. Because here's the thing. There's a few
things to this that are important to know. One, the
place is absolutely real. The mural is real.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
I did.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
I did a video on YouTube because what we did
was I think I talked to her back in twenty
eleven or twenty twelve the first time, but we kept
in touch and I thought was such a compelling story
that in twenty nineteen I drove up to Michigan because
I'm in Ohio and put, you know, football rivalries aside,
(41:29):
and basically interviewed her in person and did a video
on it. And the great cryptozoologist Chad Lewis actually went
to the place and took pictures of the mural. And
the mural exists. The place is real. I don't know
its status now. I called it pre pandemic twenty nineteen.
(41:51):
I tried to get somebody interviewed, and nobody returned my calls,
but they were answering their phone. It's a real place,
real real kind of restaurant bar with a real mural,
although the misty figures in the swinging doors aren't there now,
So and t I, I don't want to betray confidences,
(42:11):
but she worked in very respected profession retired, very smart,
very believable. I sat in her house and looked her
in the eye as she told her story, and I
believe her. Now, what does that mean and what is it?
Your guess is as good as mine. But to your point, Patricia,
(42:32):
the idea that maybe people get trapped, you know, that's
a terrifying thought.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
It is a terrible thought.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
And certainly David Plaid's has done a lot of work
exposing a lot around the people disappearing in parks and
the disappearing around universities.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
It's and it is really scary.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
I mean, what is happening where these people like Stacy
Ann Ayris horseback riding on a horseback riding trip out
west and goes to take pictures at the lake and
then an older person is in the group piece watching
her and suddenly she's gone, and the only thing they
ever find is a lens cap.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Right, So it's.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Very frightening that people do disappear and go somewhere that
we don't know, we haven't mapped, we have no idea about.
But there's a lot going on there, and I do
believe also the government has knowledge of some of it,
and they're not sharing that either. But there there's can
(43:35):
be real danger in the woods in these boulder fields.
You know they always talk about if everything just goes
quiet around you, then you know something's wrong. You know
you're about to step into another.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
Yeah, it makes me not to want to go hiking
on any nature trails.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
No hiking for me, so I'll second. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
But anyways, in terms of some of your other I
mean obviously books and books of Gholst stories, which is exciting,
but there's so many there's happy stories too about ghosts,
where ghosts can help you.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, Well i'll tell you when it's not
in this book. But I do love it and it
actually has a lot in common with a couple of
the stories we've already covered. But there was a young
woman who was this was up in New England somewhere,
and this was in the eighties, late eighties, so it
was a case where, you know, no cell phones, right,
(44:35):
So she was taking some night classes at a place
about an hour from her house. So anyway, she broke
down on the freeway. You know, it's twenty degrees or
whatever it is. She says, she really wasn't dressed for
the weather. But you know, at that time, when those
cell phones or anything, you're kind of a sitting duck.
Do you sit there and hope the person comes by
(44:57):
is not a killer, or do you just stranded or whatever?
I mean. I mean, I've been in a car, you know,
back in the day with my family that we had
problems and at that point you didn't have a CBE radio.
You were just at the mercy of flagging somebody down.
It was a different people, the young folk don't understand.
So anyway, this woman was stranded and she said, you
(45:23):
know what I am. I'm a doer, I'm an action taker.
I'm not just gonna sit here. So as many times
with freeways, you know, they run parallel to like old
two lane roads, and it was kind of the case
here and she looked down over the embankment and she
saw a service station. She's like, oh, thank god, I'm saved.
This is fantastic. So she kind of crawls down the
(45:44):
embankment and she said the shoes weren't appropriate or anything,
but she made it through. So anyway, she goes down
and the guy, it's like seven fifty five at night
and it's pitch black dark because it's winter. And she
tells him a situation. He points at the clock. We
close it eight. Maybe the owner can help you. He
(46:08):
lives next door. And then the owner seems to almost
appear from nowhere. She said she didn't even see him
came in. It was just like he was there. Nice man,
nice man. And he said, sure, I'll go up and
look at your car. And he said, well, I could
fix it, but I can't fix it tonight. But what
I could do is I can tow you to a
(46:29):
place nearer your home. And she said, well, boy, that
would be nice. Sure what place do you use? And
game and place? So anyway, he drives, you know, I
don't know, forty minutes and drops her off, I mean
takes the car. And then he tows the car and
(46:52):
takes her with him. And then takes her home, doesn't
even ask about payment, and she asks him. She says, oh,
it'll be twenty bucks or whatever. She writes in a check.
And it was kind of odd because he said, tell
your parents everything is going to be okay with you.
Everything is going to be fine having that thing to do.
But the guy was so nice. He went out of
(47:14):
his way. A lot of people wouldn't have done that,
you know, And she just couldn't get over what a
kind he was, an older gentleman, but just a kind
kind man. So anyway, she gets her car fix. That's
all taken care of it. So a couple of days later,
she's with her family. They're going on a shopping trip
and she said, let's take a little detour. I want
(47:34):
to show you that service station where the guy helped me.
He was so nice, what a gentleman. So they take
the detour and there's a service station there, but it
looks like it's been closed for about fifteen years. That
was totally boarded up. What's that all about? What's that all?
And again, you know the thing that's remarkable about campfire?
(47:58):
I mean, I had a woman today tell me about
an encounter with a twelve foot tall shadow person. It's
amazing to me some of the encounters that people have,
but they seem to me, for the most part, the
vast majority seem very sincere. They're not making it up.
Many times people will say something like this, that's the
(48:20):
only thing that's happened to me, But boy, it is weird. Yeah,
and I think says a lot. Yeah, I had said,
you know, I said at the beginning that maybe Leonard
Nimoy led me to this, but I also think some
family stories led me to this. There are a couple.
First of all, my family's very working class. Originally from
West Virginia. They moved to Ohio and that's where I
(48:43):
was born and raised in the Cleveland area. But very
salt of the earth, very working class. They you know,
they run into pyramid power or getting in touch with
the oneness of the universe. But not that there's anything
wrong with that, but but they were very you know,
matter of fact people. And one story my dad tells
(49:06):
me that I love. This is probably about nineteen sixty
and he had an apartment with my uncle and it
was over a bar. So anyway, one night they're both asleep,
small one way in, one way out, small apartment. Dad
wakes up and sees this old man laughing at him
and he's, you know, he was a football player, strong guy.
(49:28):
Boom tries to hit him nothing. My uncle's like, you're crazy,
you're imagining things. Blah blah blah dah dah dah, and
he said, okay, he was here. Two weeks later, my
dad wakes up. My uncle is screaming, get out of here.
Who are you in it? And he was six two
and two twenty and he swung ami there was nothing there,
and both of them. My dad's eighty eight. He still
(49:51):
tells the same story today. My uncle, bless his soul,
until he passed about eleven years ago, he told exactly
the same story. And they didn't make stuff up like that,
It happened.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
That's great, amazing it. So it's right there in your family.
I love it, and you're right.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
I think everybody has a family ghost story somewhere or
some kind of encounter that they can share. And it
makes Halloween so much more interesting together.
Speaker 5 (50:21):
Story it does. It's one of the best parts. And
I tell people, if you don't do anything else, share
your stories. It doesn't have to be on my show.
I'd be ordered if it was on my show. But
share your stories with your family, with your friends, because
that's how you live on and it's great to share
these great spooky stories.
Speaker 4 (50:37):
Yeah, it's really important.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
You know. People have said that the reason they come
to this show they listen to what our guests have
to say, is because it helps them to get away
from the reality of this world. Crazy right now, people
are hurting big time right now. It's indescribable what's going on,
(50:58):
quite honest, and.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
Find the words.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
But that's what people have been saying, that's why we
come to your show because it's not the everyday stuff
that has been so troublesome. True, it's a way to
understand the world from a different perspective and to hear
these unusual stories and just leave the rest behind.
Speaker 5 (51:20):
I agree. I agree. The paranormal is for everybody. All
are welcome and I always enjoy sharing stories and talking
with great people on my shows. It's a privilege to
do it, and it's been a privilege to be here.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Well, we are a light here and hearing your wonderful stories.
And again, we want to encourage people to buy your
new book, True Go.
Speaker 5 (51:42):
You can find it on Amazon and at jimharrold dot com. Yes,
there you.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Got the wonderful book.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
I can picture everybody buying it and reading it in
front of horse. I ie our campfire. It's wonderful. And
then where do people call you on your books show?
Speaker 4 (51:58):
How do they do that?
Speaker 5 (52:00):
Jim Harold dot com slash campfire and they can find
the podcast wherever they get their podcast. Just type in
Jim Harold, and I recommend everybody starts with the campfire.
That seems to be the one that people gravitate towards
and really has the broadest appeal, So I would check
out that right there in your favorite podcast.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
App Yes, that's fantastic. Oh my god, this is great.
Is there going to be a number seven?
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Should be asked, Oh yeah, yeah, next year.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Good job, good job, excellent, excellent, well, wonderful Halloween president,
also wonderful Christmas.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
People who want to know.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
More about ghosts and stories. You've got it going on, Jim.
This is wonderful.
Speaker 5 (52:40):
We really thank you, thank you, thank you so much.
It's been a privilege to be both both of you.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
It's hard of light great enjoying your company here tonight.
And you are the first guests of spooky October. We
will be continuing the same long bringing in guests to
tell us there's Wookie stories. So anyways, again Jim, thank
you so very much. It's been great everybody. True Ghost
(53:07):
Stories number six, pick it up and Happy Halloween.
Speaker 5 (53:10):
Has Halloween.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
We'll be back next week everybody with another great show.
Until then, we'll see you on the Blue Highway. Good
Night everyone, good night,
Arch angels, ghosts, and Bigfoot. Oh my, it's just another
night for Supernatural Girls and real stories, real answers to
life's biggest supernatural mysteries. And now for another exciting interview
with paranormal experts from this world and others. Here's your host,
paranormal researcher Patricia Baker on the One the Only Supernatural Girls.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Welcome everyone to another exciting episode of Supernatural Girls. I'm
your host, Patricia Baker. I'm here with my co host
all the way from Tucson, p K.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
How are you absolutely fabulous?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Oh good, the sun is still up.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I just can't wait.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Wait for what is the question in the world.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I'll tell you to feel like being put out a spit,
were just start creaking.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Around exactly exactly. Well, we have a great show tonight.
We're going to get to it. We do a couple
of minutes. He is an amazing podcaster and he knows
the art of the story, so yes, he does him soon.
But before we do, we've got a crazy world out
there that's getting worse. What's going on?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Well, let's just talk about this crazy world that we
happen to be in right now. This month is a
preview of next year, folks, So hang on to the
side of the chair and ride the waves. It's I'm
not going to say it's going to be great, it's
not going to be horrible. Depending on what year you're
going into, this month previews it next year, as they say.
(02:00):
And for those that are going into different years, every
month this year. If you're in a one going into
a one year, you'll be previewing that if you're going
into a two. So when we take a look at it,
if you're going into a one year, it's all about
fresh starts and new beginnings. There's hope there sounds good,
(02:20):
doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
It does.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And if you're going into a two year, it's about partnerships.
Relationships being overly sensitive, which could also make you insensitive.
So remember the teter totter goes. Both sides get to
go up and down. The three year is all about
worklow but it's about creativity, communications, and there's a luck
factor that goes with three. So enjoy working with that
(02:46):
and say the things you need to say, but don't
be a little rembunctious with how some things come out.
If you're in a four year, it's going to be
about details, work, work related issues, perfect time to get
a good physical, get a good up, that type of thing.
If you're in a five year, it's going to be
about major changes, and again it has a luck factor
(03:07):
to it, and the major changes that are going on,
it's going to give you opportunity to really feel good,
do something different. You know, if you've never decided you
like the color red, all of a sudden, you're going
to want to wear it. So you're going to be
pulling out things that aren't the norm.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
If you're going into a six year, it's all about family,
family type responsibilities, wanting things to be perfect, but it
also tends to make a person a bit of a middler.
So allow it to be as perfect it can be
not what you think it should be.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Okay, good advice, I might.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Save your backside. Yeah, you still sit down when the
year's over exactly. And if you're in a seven year,
it's going to deal with your finances, but it's also
it has a lot to do with setting goals, achieving
things that you really want to lay out, the things
that you really want to work towards. Seven years. You're thoughtful,
you think a lot, you put things in order. So
(04:03):
that part's good, but I will tell you you're going to
have difficulties sleeping. Anytime we're in a seven months, day
or year, we have difficulties sleeping. Ah, the Princess and
the pe you're positive there's this big boulder in your bed.
It'll be a little tiny pee. But it is as
it is. If you're going into an eight year, it's
about your finances, and it's about putting things together and
(04:26):
about what you want to do and being in control
being chairman of the board. You're going to do it
your way. If you have to use a chair and
a whip to make it happen, you're going to do
it your way. It's just part and parts of it.
But it's also a good money making tide. Oh and
then we come to the nine year, and it's all
about what we do for everybody else. It's about the
(04:46):
world at large, and it's about making things more user
friendly people, places and things. It's about making their world better,
which in turn will make your world better. It's more
spiritual the seven and nine, but the rest of it
start building lead up to what you want. You'll be
(05:08):
surprised the good things that can come out of the
nine year because it allows you to get rid of people,
places and things that no longer fit in your world.
Take advantage of it, and it doesn't become painful because
it's kind of like an automatic thing. So from that standpoint,
I think it has a lot to offer us and
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that's really the best that's to come. And I put
something more on my Facebook page if anybody wants to
take a look at that y we'll give more details
about everything.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
If anybody wants their own reading and more in depth
about what year you're in as well as what you
can expect to come about for you in that year,
then go to Patricia Kirkman dot com and contact k
see what you can work out for an appointment. It's
well worth it. It's just some nuts out there. I
never thought I would see the day when on a minute,
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Honey turned down help for a devastated area. But anyways,
we are now going to move over to the stuff
we love. The paranormal and incredible podcaster story teller. Oh
my goodness, he was doing this even before we were.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
You can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, So let me tell you he's the leader of
the pack here, Jim Harold. He is one of the
most trusted voices in paranormal podcast captivating audiences with his
hit shows like The Paranormal Podcast, the longest running podcast
of its kind, and Jim Harold's Campfire, which had been
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downloaded over sixty five million times.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
That's just incredible.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Known for his kind demeanor with storytellers and his unique perspective,
Jim combines a professional broadcasting background with a lifelong passion
for the supernatural to create some of the most compelling
shows in the genre today. Jim is also the author
of the popular Campfire book series, with several titles reaching
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number one in the supernatural category on Kindle. Jim continues
to evolve and keeps things fresh, delivering spooky content from
real people and subject experts that is as intriguing as ever.
He lives in Ohio or his podcast from the Spooky Studio,
and he loves what he does and continues to be
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inspired by his loyal audience. And here we are, Spooky October,
our number one guy.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Hello, Happy October. Thank you for welcoming me to the
show today.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Light here.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yes, what a long history you've had. How did the
game really saw this coming?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Huh? I didn't I didn't see it coming at all.
I actually I had gone to school and graduated in
the early nineties with a broadcasting background. In school, and
like so many people, you know, back in the day,
it was really before the internet got kicked off in
any kind of major way, and they said, you know,
you go to a radio station or TV station and
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get a job doing anything, sweeping the floors, that's how
you would break into the business. So after I got
my nice communication degree, I went and worked in sale
as a sales assistant because it was a job at
a radio station. And then lo and behold, I fell
into advertising sales and woke up about twelve years later
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and said, wait a minute. You know, this whole idea
of me doing something in front of the mic or
in front of a camera that's kind of dead because
I'm married, I've got two kids, I've got a mortgage
I can't count. And that was two thousand and five
and I heard about this thing called podcasting, and it
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was brand new, and very few people knew what it
was except for kind of techno nerds like myself. And
I said, you know what, I love the paranormal, you know,
going back to Leonard Nimoy in the nineteen seventies when
I was a little kid watching that growing up in
elementary school, and then went on the Unsolved Mysteries, started
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reading a lot of books, and I said, you know what,
maybe I'll just do a paranormal podcast. And to give
me an idea of how early it was, there were
some podcasts that's time on the subject. I'm like, well,
you know, what would be a good name, and I'm like,
a paranormal podcast, paranormal podcast, another paranormal podcast, of course,
and I thought for sure somebody had that, which they
did not. So that's how early it was. And we've
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gone from you know, there being just a handful of
shows then to now there's probably thousands of yea of
paranormal podcasts. It's one of the most popular genres that
in true crime, probably in all of all of podcasting.
But I had no idea. I thought, I'm doing this
as a hobby to kind of scratch that broadcasting itch,
and also because I'm fascinated by this stuff. It won't
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be cool to talk to these people about this area
of common interest. And it's totally blindsided by the fact
that you know it was going to become my full
time job, which I did a dozen years ago, and
very thankful to my audience for all their support.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
It's tremendous really what you've eblished.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Inspired by what you're doing and what you've done. And
you've got this new book out.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, here I have it.
Try to get a where it doesn't I'm not like,
you know, there's hand bottles on TV. They do well,
that's the that's the first one. But this one looks
very similar, just has a six on the front. I'm
not like one of those great TV hand models. They
know exactly how to hold something else when I would,
I would never make it as a hand mom.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
This is wonderful.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So, I mean, storytelling is so powerful, and you're telling
true stories in this book, true through ghost stories. But
you know, stories have an effect on us. They really
can change our consciousness, they can change the way we
think about things, and so I always love having storytellers
on the show because there's a lot of power in this.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
It's fun too.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I mean I can see everybody definitely copy of this
book that you've just put out, which is wonderful, and
sitting by a fire.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
You know, reading the book out loud on Halloween.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
It's just a wonderful way to bring the family together
and scare them to death, but.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
All in one fell swoop. Yeah, that's right. Who I
have to thank for this are my storytellers that come
on my show, Jim Harrold's Campfire, because that's probably my
most popular show, and that show is basically where people
call in with their real life stories. So this is
as you said, this is the sixth book, but it
only really covers maybe the first six five six years
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of the show. I mean, all of the books, I
probably have enough. If I stopped today, I could still
probably do five more books, because what we do is
we take two or three years and we kind of
pick out some of our favorite stories and we just
clean up the grammar a little bit, but we don't
change the detales and just put them together. And it
is true ghost stories and more. There's a lot of
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kind of tweeer stories in there. Ones I call head scratchers,
things that don't quite make sense. It's kind of like,
what is that? Because it's not exactly a ghost, but
it's not exactly normal, you know. So really the storytellers
are the ones that deserve the credit, and I'm very
honored that people come on the show and share their
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personal stories.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, I mean it's powerful to do that. And it's
a time in life when people are more accepting of this, right, well.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Yeah, I think even more so, you know, I mean
this has been done for years. I mean the Great
Coast to Coast am to Ghost to Ghost with Art Bell,
you know, So this is you know, telling stories around
the campfire, virtual or real is you know, as long
as the oral language. So it's not a new idea.
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But I would say even in this particular show, Jim
Harold's Campfire started in two thousand and nine, and I
would say even in the last fifteen years, people have
become more accepting of sharing these kind of stories. And
you know, I think we're seeing something now where you know,
I think it's been okay for a while to share
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your ghost story. It's been a little more acceptable with
all the TV shows and everything. I think now we're
starting to get to the point where some of maybe
the UFO stories are starting to become more acceptable because
more and more has come out the the government says
that they're real and if whistleblowers are to be believed
the government knows a lot more than they're telling us.
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But I think I think that's starting to become a
next area where people are starting to feel a little
more comfortable saying yeah, I saw something, because I think
for a long time, if you say you saw a ghost,
I mean almost everybody's family has a ghost story, but
if you say you saw a UFO, the people might.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Be, yeah, I don't know about it exactly. Unfortunately that's
the truth.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, unfortunately, yeah, because it's I mean, the government I
think has done a great job with disinformation those reputations
who did have the courage to come forward long ago.
But with cell phones now they can't stop it. It's
like cell phones on there's a light in the sky,
it's around the world. They can't control it anymore. So
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it's it's changed world. And I appreciate that, and I
appreciate the people still coming forward that are calling your
show and telling a story. It's wonderful.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Yeah, it really is. I mean I always tell people
when they call into the show, thanks for calling in,
because if you don't call in, there is no show.
They kind of make it possible because the Paranormal podcast,
which I'm still running as far as I know. I
will be corrected if I'm wrong. The longest running podcast
of its type. There's people who started like a couple
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months after me still going, but as far as I know,
it's the longest one that's continuously running. But the point
is that's more interviews with authors and experts, and I've interviewed,
you know, a wide range of people if you're talking
about ghostly stuff. I've had Amy Bruney on, I've had
Steve Gonzals on, I've had a wide range of the
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late great Brad Steiger, who wrote many many books on
the supernatural. Had him as a guest multiple times, the
great Rosemary Ellen Guiley, who was a guest many times
on the shows. And I love doing that show. But
I also I think if I had to pick, I
would almost pick Jim Harrold's Campfire because it's just talking
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to everyday people about their experiences and maybe they're not
steeped in the theories, and maybe they don't know, you know,
the history of these different phenomena, but they know what
they saw, and I think it's really cool to get
to kind of help facilitate sharing their story.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, I think so great so for you, what scares you.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
I do think there's true evil in the world. Now
I've talked to I've done for some of my shows
quite a few interviews with some of my New Age friends,
and you know, they have great wisdom and in part,
but sometimes people will say something like, well, Jim, there
is no evil, there's just a lower vibration. And in
my view, that's totally their opinion, and that's okay. You know,
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I think sometimes in society these days, we've lost the
ability to agree to disagree. But what I would say
is that basically it's a situation where it's kind of
something where we're in a situation where and I'm just
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turning up my mic a little bit because I understand
it's a little low well very good. Well, anyway, hats
off to your producer for pointing that out so great,
the point being that I can agree to disagree. However,
I will say this, I think evil is real. I
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think evil is very real, and it is present. And
I guess true evil frightens me, you know the other
thing that frightens me or kind of bugs me or
bothers me. And I'm not saying it's not true, but
I'm saying that if it's true, I'm disturbed by it
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is many of my ghost hunting friends and paranormal investigator friends,
which I'm not. I'm very clear i'm not. I'm just
behind the mic. I'll say something like, you know, they're
stuck souls and those kind of things. You know, maybe
somebody who died under tragic situations and died very suddenly.
And to me, that's extremely disturbing because I would hate
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to think that you're stuck simply because you died in
a tragic or sudden manner through no fault of your own,
because I like to think, you know, eventually, the universe
is just, and I would hate to think that somebody
is stuck to some kind of eternal torment because you know,
they got hit by a car, I guess. So anyhow,
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those are the things that that kind of scare or
in the latter case.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Bother me, right right, So.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
My biggest fear, I guess in the paranormal world of
skin walkers.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, that's because what I see with them is that
they can actually walk between the worlds and owned by
either one, so very difficult energy to navigate and I've
heard some terrible stories about people who've encountered skin walkers.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
What have you heard?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Well, I mean, that is a frightening thing. And uh,
one of the most frightening things, to be honest with you,
is this hitchhiker effect. Are you familiar with the hitchhiker effect. Yeah,
this idea that people who worked on worked at Skinwalker
Ranch and so forth, that and studied UFOs and those
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kind of things, that paranormal activity would follow them home.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
So I heard that that's actually what happened to mister Bigelow,
that something followed him home, and that's one of the reasons.
I don't know if it's true or not, but I
heard that was one of the reasons that he decided
to sell the ranch.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
I think that would do it.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I think it following me.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
I don't know if you have gotten to read the
new Luis Alessando book yet, but you talked about kind of,
of course, being the whistleblower who was kind of the
head of a tip and left the government. So anyway,
the point being that he said, even in his capacity,
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he had things and orbs and things following him home
in his house Okay, So to me, that kind of
brings up the question if we're talking about UFOs, and
I know that's not necessarily topic tonight, but if you're
talking about UFOs, it's a situation where I mean, I
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came from kind of like the Stanton Friedman kind of
point of view. UFOs were machines piloted by aliens. But
a lot of this stuff makes you think, are they
is there something else going on? Are they crypto terrestrials
from down below? I know some Harvard researchers lately have
been looking at that question, and it kind of caused
quite a kerfufflous summer when they came out in a
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scholarly journal and suggested it should be looked into more.
I got a little bit of pushback from the mainstream.
I think, you know, are they around us right now?
And do we not know? So? I mean that's the thing,
you know, doing these shows for almost twenty years now,
people say, well, what did you learn? Well, what I
think I've learned is this, and it's encapsulated in this
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quote that has been around for way before I was around.
But I think it really encapsulates it very well. And
I'll probably won't get it exact, but the gist is this,
not only is the universe stranger than you imagine, the
universe is stranger than you can imagine. Oh I like
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that and it's true. Well, I think it's true. Though
I think there's so much going on that we don't understand.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Yes, that I agree with, very true.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
It is a bit confusing, I think for us, and
we know that information continues to be withheld, and certainly
we agree with you that evil is real.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
It does exist.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
And actually you start off in your book one of
your first isn't it your first story?
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yeah, the devil is real. Yes, I'd I'd be glad
to share it with you if you'd like me to.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yes, definitely.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
So this is from Mariah from Pennsylvania. She was a
caller to the show and she said that she's always
used weigiboard since she was a little child. And she says,
you know, some people frown on it, but hey, they've
always interested her. She started way back when she was
a young girl with her friend Molly years ago. They
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would play it every single night over the summer, whether
it was at Molly's house from Maria's house, they would
be playing with wige aboard. So over time they kept
getting this spirit who would come through Gail. It was
the same spirit every time, and at the time it
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seemed innocent. Nothing was weird, aside from the fact that
she thought she was talking to the dead. So she
had heard, and I don't know if this is true,
but she had heard some speculation that putting the wige
aboard on the floor somehow disrespectful. So this particular evening
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they propped the board up on a broken unplugged guitar amplifier.
So remember it's a broken unplugged guitar amplifier, and not
much was happening. But then as they're playing with the
wage aboard, the plant chet stops and things get eerily quiet.
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Then by itself, neither Maria or Mariah or we're touching it,
the unplugged amp clicked on and started making sounds like
an old radio tuner like I Come, complete with sound effects.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
That's great.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Well, anyway, they were taken aback by the the sound.
This amp's broken, it's unplugged. What's going on? Suddenly they
hear this deep southern voice of a man who sounded
like a preacher, talking like a preacher would and he
said the devil is real, and then the amp audibly
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clicked off by itself. She said she never ran so
quickly in her life, and her and Molly were running
over each other to get out of that room. Now,
she said, some might question her judgment, but she went
right back to the weede aboard after and still plays
with it now, still doesn't know what happened that.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Night, though, Oh my goodness, you got your little go yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
More guts than me. I'm kind of like if you
remember that old movie The Ghost and Mister Chicken, Yes,
that would be me.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I represent that.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Well, all of these ghost stories are. I think a
lot of them are very interesting. But they also they
open a doorway for so many people to the other
side and to another world where the dead actually live on,
and some of them are here and don't get the
boss over for whatever reason.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
So yeah, I absolutely believe in the afterlife. And even
though I believe that that there are other things that
play sometimes, I am a big believer in the afterlife.
I think it's the most fascinating aspect of the paranormal,
simply because you know, not everybody will necessarily see a bigfoot,
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Not everybody will see a UFO. But eventually, hopefully many
many years from now, we have to cross that boundary.
Even if we believe we live on which I do believe,
we have to cross that boundary. So it's the most
universal experience other than birth is death. So it's something
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that really whether you're a hardcore atheist and you think
this is all crazy stuff or you're the biggest believer,
you're still gonna go through that process. So it is
the ultimate question. And it's funny because people will say,
well does this get you? Ask me, what was the
thing that frightened me the most? Actually, all of this
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has kind of reassured me that there's more to life
than just what you can weigh on a scale, a
measure and a test to And I always did believe
that on some level. I mean I always did believe
in things like a creator and the afterlife and so forth.
I believe in it more now than I did when
I started the shows. Now I do think it's not
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as easy, easily categorized maybe as I used to think
it is, or it's easily explained or put in certain boxes. Yes,
but the fact that more than just material stuff exists,
I'm more convinced than ever.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Mm, yeah, that makes sense absolutely.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
One thing on the shows that really fascinates me is
when we get into the topic of time slips. Would
you like to hear a time slip story?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yes, we love Yeah, that's.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
A good one. Well, this is again a caller talking
about story. When she was a young girl. It was
Jennifer from Idaho and this was the early eighties and
they lived in a smallish town in Idaho and her
and her friend Connie would go on different little adventures.
As you know, it was a different time. A lot
of times, you know, there were no cell phones, so
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kids would go out in the morning and say see
at dinnertime. Mom. You know it wasn't yeah different different,
I'm a different place. So anyway, she and her friend said, hey,
we're going to go down to the lake. You know,
ten years old and I don't know if I let
my kids go to a lake by themselves, but anyway,
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they were going to the lake. So it was a
couple miles away down the railroad tracks. There was a welled,
abandoned railroad tracks and they said we're going to go
and very important to this story the railroad track that
led to their little area where they lived. Into the
lake was a straight shot. There were no tracks that
went off on another track. It was one straight shot,
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one way in, one way out. So anyway, they start
to walk down to the lake down these railroad tracks,
and after a while, maybe a mile, I don't know,
they come to a clearing and there's a bunch of
houses and there's probably a woman, I'm guessing from her
description sixty ish or something or maybe sixty five or something,
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putting out close on the clothesline, and she has what,
you know, uh, used to be referred to as a
house dress, like I remember my grandma. Yeah, there a
house dress. I remember wearing them. So anyhow, the woman
started talking to them, and she was very very nice,
and she had a raspberry bush there and said, hey,
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you girls, do you want some raspberries? And they're like sure,
So they kind of stick out their shirts like basket style,
and the one puts the raspberries in, and Jennifer said
later her parents probably weren't happy with the stains in
her shirt, so they ate some raspberries, continued talking to
her and said their goodbyes and went on to the lake.
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Had a good day. They had it back when they
had it back there were woods and there were woods,
and there were woods. There was no clearing, there were
no houses, there was no woman, no clothesline, and no
raspberry bush. So they go back home and they're kind
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of like puzzled, what in the world's going on. So
a couple days later, Jennifer's talking to her grandma and
she said, Grandma, let me tell you this thing that happened.
And she tells her, what are there houses there? Did
I miss something? She said, well, there were houses there
in the nineteen twenties before the railroad came through. Now, Jennifer,
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to her credit, she uh, you know, she wanted to
check this out before she called in. So she talked
to her friend Connie as adults, and she said, Connie,
you know, I remember this story from the eighties when
we were kids. I'm going to run the details by you. You
tell me, am I misremembering? Is this something I dreamed?
Did I see it on TV? I mean, I swear
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this happened to us, and every detail. Connie checked the
box and said, Yep, that's what happened. That's what happened,
that's what happened. That's what happened. And I've heard other
stories like this too, and I believe that sometimes the
conditions are just right that we can step back in time.
And there's been there's a famous case, I think in
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Liverpool where people walked out and saw like a street
from the fifties or something. I've had people tell me stories.
I have one woman who was out playing with her
friends and they saw this old house and a little
boy with knee pants, and it was a distance, but
the boy saw them, and the group saw the boy
in this old looking house, and the woman came out
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and she was kind of like an old clothing and
pulled the boy back inside. A couple week later, they
went to the same area. There was the old foundation
of a house, but there was no house. So I mean,
to me, I think these things are possible.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Really.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
I don't think it happens every day necessarily, but I
do think if the conditions are right, because I mean,
scientists say, you know, we believe time is linear, but
in actuality it's not. You know, I've heard people talk
about Mike Ricksecker, for example, talking about the stacked time theory, right,
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or the idea it's kind of like that. I always
get the title that movie wrong, everything everywhere, all at once,
or whatever it was. But the idea is that it's
all happening right now, but we're just accessing it as
we're accessing it. But everything that ever happened to us
and everything that is going to happen to us is
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happening right now, which doesn't make any sense to me.
But I mean, and I've heard somebody else. There's just
one physicist I can remember Russia, or philosopher I don't
know Orsh I could remember his name. It's like a book,
and if you take the pages from the you know,
if I read this book in a row, I'm experiencing
it in the line or mode. If I rip the
pages out and throw it on the floor, they all
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exist at the same time. I'm reading this book. All
these pages are there, but I'm just accessing the page
that I'm looking at right now. It really when you
get into it's really mind bending stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
It really is, and it's fascinating to hear these stories.
And now there are time slips, but there's also people
who disappear into other realities and never make it back.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Well, let me tell you, let me tell you. I've
got a story about that one that and this is
that in this book, but it's in one of the books.
I think it might be the second one. This is
my favorite story we've ever had on the show, and
I think it might be someone who narrowly missed exactly
what you're describing. It's called the and I have probably
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told this story five hundred times telling on every show.
Well it is, I think so anyway, And it's got
a couple of little interesting wrinkles to it. The most
stories I do don't have. So first of all, the
person's name is Ti. She lives in Michigan. But every
summer she would go to this kind of campground spend
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a couple of weeks with their family and things over
the summer. You know, grown up campground. You know, I guess,
I don't know if they have the cabins or people
have trailers and stuff. So this one particular tens up
in Wisconsin. So this one particular night, she and a
male friend went to see a band about an hour away.
They're both musicians, so they went to see this band.
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It was at like a bar, they close a place
down two o'clock or so. They even went backstage and
because they were fellow musicians. They were talking shop, and
they left about two thirty or something like that in
the morning, and they're about an hour away from the campground.
And this is like rule two lane roads, no street lights,
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no light pollution. It's you know, it's like it is dark.
So they're driving along. It's t I and her friend Bob,
and they get a little ways down the road and
Tea I's like, Bob, I've got to go to the restroom.
And he basically said, well, pull up a tree. I
don't know what to tell you. And she said, now,
just drive fast. And they go along another fifteen minutes
(35:07):
or so, and then they see this bar and the
joints jumping lights are on, thump thump thump of music.
There's cars in the parking lot, multiple cars. I'm like,
that shouldn't be open, but hey, let's not look a
gift towards in the mouth. And they pull in and
Bob says, oh, I'm so glad we came here because
there's like kind of a notable mural on the wall,
(35:29):
an old West mural. I've heard about it, I've never
seen it. This is great because we'll finally you know,
I finally get to see this. So they go in.
T I goes the restroom. I think Bob gets a
couple of soft drinks from the bar. They're sitting there.
They there's an old Waltzer kind of jukebox, like the
(35:51):
real thing, you know, with the vinyl and the whole thing,
not kind of a make believe ones now, and you know,
everybody's acting kind of weird. They're kind of like smiling,
they're kind of spacey, uh, and kind of looking. These
people are kind of weird. And then this guy walks
up to TI and he's put Chubby Checkers, Let's Twist
(36:15):
Again on the jukebox, and he smiles at t I
and he's a mouthful of rotten teeth and he said,
I want to dance, and t I used a cane,
so she showed the cane and she said she's really
she said, saved by the cane again. That's her her words,
not mine. And she ended up he ended up walking away. Uh.
(36:39):
And then they started looking at the mural and they
noticed something t II noticed at first, everybody in the
mural was a real person. In the bar, Uh. There
were some guys playing cards in the mural and the
same guys were over by a pool table in a corner.
There was a woman in them on what they used
(37:00):
to call back in the day, a dance hall girl,
and she was standing on the bar there, obviously not
dressed up like a dance hall girl, but the same person.
And it went on and on and on, and they
went and they asked the bartender said, are you guys
in the mural? And they just smiled and didn't say anything,
and it was just a weird, weird vibe. And the
(37:23):
guy started playing Let's Twist again for a second time,
and then he went on to play it a third time,
which was really kind of twice. Maybe you like a
song three times early bare And they keep looking at
this mural and they noticed something they didn't know before.
And it's like an Old West saloon, right, It's like,
you know, there's a bar, there's a bartender, dance hall girl,
(37:45):
guys playing cards. That's the scene. And they're swinging doors.
Remember back in the old Westerns when the guy come
in and say I want to see bart I won't
have a showdown, right, Well, howdy pilgrim. But anyway, so
basically there were swinging doors, but there was something in
(38:08):
the swinging doors in the picture that they didn't notice
at first because it wasn't there, but now it was there,
seemed to be kind of two misty columns. One was shorter,
one was taller. I'm like, we didn't notice that before.
They looked away, and they looked back, and it started
to look like an old polaroid picture that was developing
(38:29):
in and one looked like a man and one looked
like a woman. And they looked away, and they were
talking this more and looked back and t I's like,
oh my gosh, the woman has curly hair. I have
curly hair. The woman has cowboy boots. I have cowboy boots.
Oh my god. The woman has a cane. I have
a cane. At that point, they decide we're getting out
(38:52):
of there, okay. And then when they started to leave,
all the people were going come back, come back, come back.
T I says. They closed the door. Everything went stone cold, dark,
like it'd never been open. The doors closed, all the
lights that were on or off. That's it. So anyhow,
(39:18):
you would think that's the end of the story, but
it's not. They get ready to leave, they they get
into their car and they notice they have the only
car in the lot. Now, if that were be I
would never come back again. Like I said, goes to
mister Chicken, right, yeah, well t I's made him stronger stuff.
(39:39):
So she said, I'm going back, and I think she
took her sister maybe with her, because everybody's like, ah,
you guys, just imagine it, blah blah blah da da da.
And they went back a couple of nights later. Now
she wasn't brave enough to go at three o'clock in
the morning. She went like eight eight o'clock at night
or something. She went in. She went and looked. They
had a jupe bi but it was a CD jukebox. Okay,
(40:03):
it was not the old willetz er. It was a
CD jukebox. I think this might have happened early two thousands.
That would have been the thing that time. No Chubby Checker. No,
let's twist again. She goes to the bar. She talks
to the bartender. It's a younger woman, probably in her twenties,
(40:25):
and she's talking to hers like, yeah, we were in
here the other night. You know, it was like three
o'clock in the morning on Saturday, you know, going into Sunday.
The one was like, we closed up at midnight that night,
but I was here there there's this bartender, big, young,
strapping guy, good looking guy. It's like, there's nobody who
at tends bar like that. The only people that tend
(40:46):
bar here me and my elderly father. And then she
left the roadhouse saloon. Now she used to say I've
never been back, but I think she actually did end
up going back. Because here's the thing. There's a few
things to this that are important to know. One, the
place is absolutely real. The mural is real.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
I did.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
I did a video on YouTube because what we did
was I think I talked to her back in twenty
eleven or twenty twelve the first time, but we kept
in touch and I thought was such a compelling story
that in twenty nineteen I drove up to Michigan because
I'm in Ohio and put, you know, football rivalries aside,
(41:29):
and basically interviewed her in person and did a video
on it. And the great cryptozoologist Chad Lewis actually went
to the place and took pictures of the mural. And
the mural exists. The place is real. I don't know
its status now. I called it pre pandemic twenty nineteen.
(41:51):
I tried to get somebody interviewed, and nobody returned my calls,
but they were answering their phone. It's a real place,
real real kind of restaurant bar with a real mural,
although the misty figures in the swinging doors aren't there now,
So and t I, I don't want to betray confidences,
(42:11):
but she worked in very respected profession retired, very smart,
very believable. I sat in her house and looked her
in the eye as she told her story, and I
believe her. Now, what does that mean and what is it?
Your guess is as good as mine. But to your point, Patricia,
(42:32):
the idea that maybe people get trapped, you know, that's
a terrifying thought.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
It is a terrible thought.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
And certainly David Plaid's has done a lot of work
exposing a lot around the people disappearing in parks and
the disappearing around universities.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
It's and it is really scary.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
I mean, what is happening where these people like Stacy
Ann Ayris horseback riding on a horseback riding trip out
west and goes to take pictures at the lake and
then an older person is in the group piece watching
her and suddenly she's gone, and the only thing they
ever find is a lens cap.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Right, So it's.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Very frightening that people do disappear and go somewhere that
we don't know, we haven't mapped, we have no idea about.
But there's a lot going on there, and I do
believe also the government has knowledge of some of it,
and they're not sharing that either. But there there's can
(43:35):
be real danger in the woods in these boulder fields.
You know they always talk about if everything just goes
quiet around you, then you know something's wrong. You know
you're about to step into another.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
Yeah, it makes me not to want to go hiking
on any nature trails.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
No hiking for me, so I'll second. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
But anyways, in terms of some of your other I
mean obviously books and books of Gholst stories, which is exciting,
but there's so many there's happy stories too about ghosts,
where ghosts can help you.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, Well i'll tell you when it's not
in this book. But I do love it and it
actually has a lot in common with a couple of
the stories we've already covered. But there was a young
woman who was this was up in New England somewhere,
and this was in the eighties, late eighties, so it
was a case where, you know, no cell phones, right,
(44:35):
So she was taking some night classes at a place
about an hour from her house. So anyway, she broke
down on the freeway. You know, it's twenty degrees or
whatever it is. She says, she really wasn't dressed for
the weather. But you know, at that time, when those
cell phones or anything, you're kind of a sitting duck.
Do you sit there and hope the person comes by
(44:57):
is not a killer, or do you just stranded or whatever?
I mean. I mean, I've been in a car, you know,
back in the day with my family that we had
problems and at that point you didn't have a CBE radio.
You were just at the mercy of flagging somebody down.
It was a different people, the young folk don't understand.
So anyway, this woman was stranded and she said, you
(45:23):
know what I am. I'm a doer, I'm an action taker.
I'm not just gonna sit here. So as many times
with freeways, you know, they run parallel to like old
two lane roads, and it was kind of the case
here and she looked down over the embankment and she
saw a service station. She's like, oh, thank god, I'm saved.
This is fantastic. So she kind of crawls down the
(45:44):
embankment and she said the shoes weren't appropriate or anything,
but she made it through. So anyway, she goes down
and the guy, it's like seven fifty five at night
and it's pitch black dark because it's winter. And she
tells him a situation. He points at the clock. We
close it eight. Maybe the owner can help you. He
(46:08):
lives next door. And then the owner seems to almost
appear from nowhere. She said she didn't even see him
came in. It was just like he was there. Nice man,
nice man. And he said, sure, I'll go up and
look at your car. And he said, well, I could
fix it, but I can't fix it tonight. But what
I could do is I can tow you to a
(46:29):
place nearer your home. And she said, well, boy, that
would be nice. Sure what place do you use? And
game and place? So anyway, he drives, you know, I
don't know, forty minutes and drops her off, I mean
takes the car. And then he tows the car and
(46:52):
takes her with him. And then takes her home, doesn't
even ask about payment, and she asks him. She says, oh,
it'll be twenty bucks or whatever. She writes in a check.
And it was kind of odd because he said, tell
your parents everything is going to be okay with you.
Everything is going to be fine having that thing to do.
But the guy was so nice. He went out of
(47:14):
his way. A lot of people wouldn't have done that,
you know, And she just couldn't get over what a
kind he was, an older gentleman, but just a kind
kind man. So anyway, she gets her car fix. That's
all taken care of it. So a couple of days later,
she's with her family. They're going on a shopping trip
and she said, let's take a little detour. I want
(47:34):
to show you that service station where the guy helped me.
He was so nice, what a gentleman. So they take
the detour and there's a service station there, but it
looks like it's been closed for about fifteen years. That
was totally boarded up. What's that all about? What's that all?
And again, you know the thing that's remarkable about campfire?
(47:58):
I mean, I had a woman today tell me about
an encounter with a twelve foot tall shadow person. It's
amazing to me some of the encounters that people have,
but they seem to me, for the most part, the
vast majority seem very sincere. They're not making it up.
Many times people will say something like this, that's the
(48:20):
only thing that's happened to me, But boy, it is weird. Yeah,
and I think says a lot. Yeah, I had said,
you know, I said at the beginning that maybe Leonard
Nimoy led me to this, but I also think some
family stories led me to this. There are a couple.
First of all, my family's very working class. Originally from
West Virginia. They moved to Ohio and that's where I
(48:43):
was born and raised in the Cleveland area. But very
salt of the earth, very working class. They you know,
they run into pyramid power or getting in touch with
the oneness of the universe. But not that there's anything
wrong with that, but but they were very you know,
matter of fact people. And one story my dad tells
(49:06):
me that I love. This is probably about nineteen sixty
and he had an apartment with my uncle and it
was over a bar. So anyway, one night they're both asleep,
small one way in, one way out, small apartment. Dad
wakes up and sees this old man laughing at him
and he's, you know, he was a football player, strong guy.
(49:28):
Boom tries to hit him nothing. My uncle's like, you're crazy,
you're imagining things. Blah blah blah dah dah dah, and
he said, okay, he was here. Two weeks later, my
dad wakes up. My uncle is screaming, get out of here.
Who are you in it? And he was six two
and two twenty and he swung ami there was nothing there,
and both of them. My dad's eighty eight. He still
(49:51):
tells the same story today. My uncle, bless his soul,
until he passed about eleven years ago, he told exactly
the same story. And they didn't make stuff up like that,
It happened.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
That's great, amazing it. So it's right there in your family.
I love it, and you're right.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
I think everybody has a family ghost story somewhere or
some kind of encounter that they can share. And it
makes Halloween so much more interesting together.
Speaker 5 (50:21):
Story it does. It's one of the best parts. And
I tell people, if you don't do anything else, share
your stories. It doesn't have to be on my show.
I'd be ordered if it was on my show. But
share your stories with your family, with your friends, because
that's how you live on and it's great to share
these great spooky stories.
Speaker 4 (50:37):
Yeah, it's really important.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
You know. People have said that the reason they come
to this show they listen to what our guests have
to say, is because it helps them to get away
from the reality of this world. Crazy right now, people
are hurting big time right now. It's indescribable what's going on,
(50:58):
quite honest, and.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
Find the words.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
But that's what people have been saying, that's why we
come to your show because it's not the everyday stuff
that has been so troublesome. True, it's a way to
understand the world from a different perspective and to hear
these unusual stories and just leave the rest behind.
Speaker 5 (51:20):
I agree. I agree. The paranormal is for everybody. All
are welcome and I always enjoy sharing stories and talking
with great people on my shows. It's a privilege to
do it, and it's been a privilege to be here.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Well, we are a light here and hearing your wonderful stories.
And again, we want to encourage people to buy your
new book, True Go.
Speaker 5 (51:42):
You can find it on Amazon and at jimharrold dot com. Yes,
there you.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Got the wonderful book.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
I can picture everybody buying it and reading it in
front of horse. I ie our campfire. It's wonderful. And
then where do people call you on your books show?
Speaker 4 (51:58):
How do they do that?
Speaker 5 (52:00):
Jim Harold dot com slash campfire and they can find
the podcast wherever they get their podcast. Just type in
Jim Harold, and I recommend everybody starts with the campfire.
That seems to be the one that people gravitate towards
and really has the broadest appeal, So I would check
out that right there in your favorite podcast.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
App Yes, that's fantastic. Oh my god, this is great.
Is there going to be a number seven?
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Should be asked, Oh yeah, yeah, next year.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Good job, good job, excellent, excellent, well, wonderful Halloween president,
also wonderful Christmas.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
People who want to know.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
More about ghosts and stories. You've got it going on, Jim.
This is wonderful.
Speaker 5 (52:40):
We really thank you, thank you, thank you so much.
It's been a privilege to be both both of you.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
It's hard of light great enjoying your company here tonight.
And you are the first guests of spooky October. We
will be continuing the same long bringing in guests to
tell us there's Wookie stories. So anyways, again Jim, thank
you so very much. It's been great everybody. True Ghost
(53:07):
Stories number six, pick it up and Happy Halloween.
Speaker 5 (53:10):
Has Halloween.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
We'll be back next week everybody with another great show.
Until then, we'll see you on the Blue Highway. Good
Night everyone, good night,
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