Episode 145: The Octopus Conspiracy

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Welcome to the one hundred and fortyfifth episode of the Supernatural Occurrent Studies podcast
So Damn Paranormal. My name isJason Knight, host of the show,
and with me, as always isOscar Spector, producer extraordinaire and podcast co

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host. Listeners, If you'd liketo skip our intro, go to the
show notes. There'll be a timestampthere waiting for you to get you to
the topic and it will lead youright back to here. That's right.
Listen to the intro. Yeah,listen to the intros. Damn it.
Yeah, yeah, you know youlove us. You want to know what's
going on in our lives. Creepers, we're not. We're insulting that for

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listening to the intro, I thinkI think this is mixed messaging going on
here. Yeah, that was alittle well, what are you gonna do?
It's not like a like a comet, like a like an abusive parent.
Oh that's a that's the abusive,manipulative stuff you're doing there, just
saying just saying, I'm sorry,I saw sharp objects. This is bad.

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How are you doing? Okay?But coming off you know, busy
week, very busy week at work, boring stuff, although I did.
I did start a project. Idon't know if I should mention it here.
Yeah, I'll mention it here.You did jazz hands as as you
did. It was a project chance. Yeah, there you go. So
I started a Halloween project Oscar hmmm. And I am building early, yes,

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starting early because it's gonna take alot of work. But I'm building
a life size movie, accurate.Jason Vorhees from Friday the Thirteenth, Part
four, the Final Chapter and okay, yes it wasn't the final chapter it
was supposed to be. But sobad. Then later when movies call themselves

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when the titles have the word lastor final, yep, because if it's
not, you're fucking it up.You know. Well that's right, because
like a year later they came outwith the New Beginning, So there you
go. Yeah, well yeah,in recent history, like The Last Sexism,
right, I thought it was afine movie. They made a part

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two? How is it the LastSexism? As terrible title? Now it
really is ruined that movie for me. Sorry, continue, No, that's
awesome, by the way, guys, yeah, yeah, oh, thank
you. Yeah, And that's kindof what the way this you know,
Friday thirteenth Part four is the finalchap kind of the same thing, but
it did and it went on forwhat another six I believe at least at

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least but yeah, life size movieaccurate. Jason Voorhees from my front lawn
for Halloween. Uh, and I'mactually chronicling the build kind of a video
journal for Patreon and I'll release sometimein October as an extra bonus for October
on Patreon, the build of thisthing. But it's gonna be It's gonna

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be cool. I'm really excited,and I know how crazy you are,
so I don't he'll look nice.I'm sure. Thanks not to add more
pressure, but because I know howpeople are like that sometimes, like oh
man, I can't wait for that, Like shit, no, I really
got to do it right, youknow, it's very right. So I'm
excited about this cool. How areyou gonna make him lafe size? Right?

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So? How tall is Jason warhizoh taller than me? Ever every
week he's especially as the movies progress, he gets really ogrish. Uh really
yeah, I mean both actors playhim and yeah, right and stuff.
So part four then, how howtall is he? In Part four?

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I would say he's got to beat least six six sixty seven. That's
what I'm guessing. And as Iassume that's that's how's all you're gonna make.
Yeah, so he's part of amannequin. I have to modify some
things on the mannequin to get itthe size I need. But I'll chronicle
that whole thing for Patreon. Yeah, put lifts on them and sad lips

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and eyelashes. No, I meanlifts like you know, the lips.
No, no, no, liftsto make them tall. We'll talk about
tall and uh, you know,to elevate his stature or like just put
them on top of a bunch ofphone books. Right. Well, I
mean you can do all sorts ofcool things if if it's done right,
you can hide stuff that's true.That's true. You know, there's a

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there's an entire I know, Imean this is not too late, because
I'm sure you got this going whereyou know how to start it and all
that already. But there is anentire go system of people and groups of
people and communities of them, rightthat deals with cosplay and any of this
kind of thing, because it's it'slike a way of life. And some

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of them make it into careers that. I'm sure you could mind their advice
and stuff like that if you everneeded, if you just look for that
kind of thing. Yeah, there'sa couple of things I've looked up already
in some of those type of forms. How to weather clothing. You know,
some of the clothing I've got forhim is brand new. You can't
do that. It's got to beright weathered correctly. Yes, we did

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talk about that. Yeah. Yeah, so see it's fun. Got a
little hobby until October. I loveit. Because speaking of speaking of that,
I've also I had a week off. Reasons are not important, but
I had a week off, andin that week off, I did what

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I mean, I did. SoI want to include the food stuff exactly
because I figure that's more boring.But like, you know, like I
made scones for the first time,and I made like a couple of TikTok
recipes just to see if they worked, just for funzies, and then they
did work. Actually they did,one of them not so much, not
as much as the rest, butone of them in particular is kind of

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like a favorite, and a courseis the fattiest one. But I'm not
going to get into that right now. But I did other stuff, other
projects akin to your art project,Jay, I did what I do.
I did. I made my ownsoap. You made your own soap,
two different batches, and I madethem two different scents, obviously other than

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other than the coffee. And they'reblonde ropes, by the way. So
I made him at home. Youcan make soap now without using lie,
which lie is a very dangerous chemical. I'm thinking fight club here right now.
That's what my brother said, firstfucking thing he said. I'm like,
I'm glad you said that, andnot that I was going, Oh,
Martha's through it on you and shit, because you could go either way.

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Usually more of a you know,I'm not saying it is whatever.
You know, people say it's kindof really. I mean, I don't
think so. I just wanted tosee if I could do it. So
anyway, I did the different batches, and I included coffee grounds in one
and then the other one I putcoffee beans, you know, and and
I tried, yeah, right exactly, and you know, I obviously a
couple of mistakes, No big deal. It came out. I mean they

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worked like soap. It dried reallywell, it's just that maybe the ratio
coffee and things I put in therewas either too much or too little.
So I got to figure out ourway around that. But I got all
the materials in advance. I gotthe molds and everything, and yeah,
I did two batches and one smellslike is it honey and vanilla? And
the other one is like lemon?So oh shit, yeah, yeah,

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so I made that. In additionto that, I have for about a
month or so, I have amasked little by little the materials too.
I'm not done with it yet though. The materials to paint glass, Okay,
what I mean by paint glass,i't mean just paint that are our

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paint that is a safer glass orthat sticks the best, although that does
make sense. It's more about avery specific type of paint that is translucent,
meaning that like if you were toput like the candle or a light
source in the glass in the bottle, let's say, in my case bottle,
the paint won't obscure it, like, it won't shut off the life

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from it. It will just gothrough it and it will give like whatever
color I put in there, right, that kind of like shimmer through it.
Right, so we red colored rightor green or whatever. So I
bought a bunch of spray paint.There are sea glass type, I don't
remember the name of it. Sorry, And what I've been when I wanting
to do this for a few monthsnow, when I realize how much of

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an alcoholic I've become, and I'vecollected all these bottles of different types of
alcohol, right, some more thanothers, like I have. I probably
have more vodka and kalua bottles thanany other one. Right, you know
I have a closet full of emptybourbon and whiskey bottles. Yes, some
of them are really cool bottles,right, if you'd like that. That's

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what I was saying that some ofthese some of these bottle looks badass.
I don't want to just throw themout. I want to see if I
could do something with them. SoI started putting lights into some of them,
like string lights that I hook around. And I even have this battery
power thing on the outside that Icould attach to maybe with some sort of
glue or maybe add al velcro thing. I haven't got the vocal okay yet,

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so it could be removable easy andthen have it on one side and
then painted certain shapes and diagrams,and I just started playing with it.
But I did my first painting thing. I went to the dollar store.
I got a bunch of like practiceglasses, you know, different shapes,
and just started spraying them see whatthey look like and should So yeah,
I did that too, and that'sbeen a little fun. I can't wait

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to do a round two on that. And I started looking into I got
the materials for I haven't started yetthough, so it doesn't count, I
guess, But I got the materialsto make. Uh it's something they to
face. It's it's not moisturizer.It's the other one, like some sort

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of scouring. Uh. It islike a scarring thing. It's made out
of coffee grounds. What's the nameof flaxfoliator? Thank you? There it
is. Yes, I got tostart. I saw I saw a lot
of recipes and stuff that people doonline for accolating and stuff they could make
a home. And I'm not muchof an ascoliator, clearly because I couldn't
think of the name. But Idon't want to see if I can make
it, and then maybe I'll usethat then see how cool it works.

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Or because some of them are sugarbased, some of them are whatever,
different types and uh yeah, SoI got into that a little bit and
I got the materials for it.I haven't started yet, but it looks
pretty easy to make that has beenyou're busy on your vacation. Yeah,
do I see an oscar specter Etsyshop in the future. I will,
I will not. I will admitthat I had crossed my mind, But

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first and foremost, I'm not notdoing it with that in mind necessarily.
I just want to see if Ican do it first and see if I
like it, and obviously see whatsticks. Also, because you know,
just trying to have fun with mytime here. Yeah, but absolutely well,
you know what they say, idlehands. Yes, with Seth Green.

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Yes, it is a terrible movie. Who else was in that movie?
I couldn't really the only one Iremember, but I don't know.
He was kind of the ambiguous,handsome blonde actor in the nineties. I
can't remember the kid's name. Hewas in quite a few movies, but
I'd give you ten thousand dollars someoneto pull that kid's name out of their

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ass if it could be some hugeass star they were just we just don't
think of anymore or like or hejust looks so different now, you know.
But yeah, that's what happened upto over the last two weeks.
It's awesome, man. Yeah.Oh and and in the side note,
I guess I finally got and thisis for not for political reasons, but

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I finally got my second I'm vaccinatednow officially my second shot and everything.
Yea, and again and the newreason I didn't or hadn't before, it's
just because I'm lazy. We couldstart getting back together again, record right,
So yeah, so I got that, and uh yeah, I felt
a little bad for sure, butotherwise it's fine. That was the other

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news thing. I guess, nothingmajor. Everyone's done that or a lot
of people have not everyone. That'sthe problem, not enough. But yeah,
yeah, other than that, that'swhat I've been up to. Cool.
Well, it sounds like we bothgot some good hobbies rolling and it's
the guy's name is Elden Henson.You're right. He is popular from a

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certain era though, and it's notfrom recent stuff either. He's then there,
all right. That was the lastthing I saw him, and I
think was Daredevil's a show on Netflixplays the new Sardox the lawyer friend the
other co owner of the Lawyer Front. Oh, yes, you're right,
Okay, I know exactly who you'retalking about. Yes, he was in

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Idle Hands, but there was ablonde kid too. I thought that was
him. Are you sure it's sonot important? I'm almost positive Jessica album
wasn't it too? I don't knowthat what really? M Yeah, I
don't feel like I have to watchthe movie to know for sure who you're
talking about. But I'm not gonnasee that movie again. No, no,

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have a phone number, Oscar.I don't know if we've talked about this

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in a while, so I shouldsee his grip in his face. It's
rubbing between his eyes like you know, did you watch a new Candyman?
You know that's saying something like thisphone number is like saying Candyman, I
haven't seen it. Instead of involkingsomething that kills you, it's given me

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a mike. So that's why I'mholding my head this way, the very
nick that just when you mentioned phoneand number, well, are you actually
saying the number yet? Yeah,it's starting to give me a migraine.
That's how bad this phone number is. Sorry to say it, So I
gotta do it. I gotta walkaway for a minute while you say the
phone number. Go ahead, goahead, Chicago area code eight seven to

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two five two nine zero seven sixseven. That's eight seven to two five
two nine zero seven sixty seven.Leave us a message, send us a
text. We'll read them and playthem on the show, Oscar. Do
you want to go take some aspirins, we'll take a break. Yeah,
I would love that. Actually,thank you. Okay, we'll be back.

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Listeners, welcome back to the show. Well, the lights are turned
down low, the ceremonial candle islit, and those drinks are flowing.
Let's start this show all right.Before we begin, I just want to
put a disclaimer out there. Thisis a part two. Please, if
you haven't done so, go backand listen to episode one four, The

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Octopus Murders. This is a continuationof that episode, The Octopus Conspiracy.
And it's been decided that this isgoing to be a three parter, a
trilogy, A trilogy, Yes,and I just got to give you some
inside baseball here. Once all issaid and done, Oscar will have close

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to, if not over, aone hundred page script for this trilogy that
goes to show you the level,the insane level of research and dedication that
goes to this show. Oscar.Thank you. I can't anxiety. I
call it anxiety fueled tons of anxiety. I can't wait to see where this

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thing goes, Oscar. Why don'tyou go ahead and take it away man.
Mm hmm, thank you, thankyou, Jay, So I will
I must employ you again. Hedid mention, Jay, he did mention.
This is a part two, butI will implore you to listen or
maybe even we listen part one onlybecause the information provided to you in detail

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can be hard to keep up inyour head. Don't get me wrong.
I'm gonna do my best here torecap and to remind you of key details
to better understand the connections that Ihave for you today. And then one
thing that you'll see that rapidly willbecome apparent is how much simpler the events
of the previous show are compared tothis show. Oh no, oh boy,

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I mean, get ready for morenames and events and details. However,
before I get too far ahead ofmyself. Previously on the Supernatural Occurrence
Studies Podcast two Cases, we beginwith a triple murder in nineteen eighty one
outside of Indio, California. FredAlvarez, Ralph Boger, and Patricia Castro

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were killed. It's a professional hitand it's clear that Alvarez was the target.
The case remains unsolved, but conspiracyarose when people claim that Alvarez was
killed because of nefarious dealings happening ata nearby Indian reservation called Cabison Band the
Mission Indians. Alvarez was a member, and he had a few disagreements with
Cabizon's financial advisor, John Philip Nichols, who is well connected and helped make

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the connections for a legitimate casino andgrowing ties with a world known security firm
called Wagon Hut. Nichols was suspectedbut never tried, and years after the
murders, was in prison for fouryears for trying to get guns for hire
for selfish means. Jump to thetwo thousands, Rachel Begley, who is
Ralph Boger's daughter, starts discovering moreabout her father's death and the Triple Slangs.

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Through perseverance, Rachel manages to getthe case reopen via a cold case
unit and finds a man named JimmyHughes whom she thinks might be the killer.
Having worked as security personnel, Hugheswas fired from Cabison Band and became
an evangelical minister in Nondudas and headquarteredin Miami. Rachel confronts him on an
evangelical tour in Fresno, California,where he spills and alludes to his clear

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involvement to getting Alvarez and her fatherBoger, not to mention Castro killed in
nineteen eighty one. He also boldlytalks about his contract killer work in the
past for the US government. Hughesgets arrested and the trial, unfortunately for
Rachel, gets shut down by thedistrict attorney, and Rachel and conspiracy theorists

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become disillusioned. The case is stillopen. Lastly, we have a possible
murder in Martinsburg, West Virginia.Freelance journalist Danny Cassilero becomes an overnight sensation
among news outlets and conspiracy theorists whenhe is found dead in his Sheraton Inn
hotel room in nineteen ninety one.It appears that it is suicide. Razor

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blade, alcohol, cigarettes, anda suicide note is left behind twelve slashes
to both of his wrists. Dannywas driven an outgoing individual who prophesied his
demise to his brother weeks beforehand.This is because of the book he was
working on. He claims to havefound a shadowy organization working within the halls
of power in Washington and around theglobe that is responsible for lots of sabotage,

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money, and murder. Cassilera coinedit the Octopus. He found many
connections to shady doings via two primarysources, which helped them understand how a
computer company, the DOJ, andeventually the triple murders in nineteen eighty one
are all connected. His death wasnot only untimely but strange. Although ruled
as a suicide by authorities and theFBI, Cassilero's many papers on his book

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and documents proving what he'd found weremissing from his possessions, something he never
left anywhere without. Other strange details, such as his early involvement before his
family was notified, also fueled conspiracyfires. Cassilero's death is very much a
mystery, even taken at face value, but what's more ponderous is his echoes
in the decades to come, aspeople have taken them men until to uncover

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this octopus organization once and for all. All Right. In the legal world,
a conspiracy is an agreement between twoor more people committing an illegal act,
along with an intent to achieve theagreement's goals. Conspiracy is a funny

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thing because we've all done it,though usually not illegal. In grade school,
for example, my brother and Iwould inform the other when the latest
report on our school work was dueto be mailed, so that the letter
can be intercepted from one of us. From parental view, we get fs
g's why we tell the other brother, hey, fucking well have the fucking

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mailman. Two friends would devise andmanipulate a conversation with someone they like to
see if they in turn like themback, usually through subterfuge. This is
obviously to avoid any kind of shame, or to see if they like them
before they ask them out. Sothe key difference between lying or playing around

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and conspiracy is legality. Here's someadditional information on that, meaning conspiracy generally
or carries a penalty of its own. In addition, conspiracies allow for derivative
liability, where conspirators can also bepunished for the illegal acts carried out by

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other members, even if not directlyinvolved. Thus, were one or more
members of the conspiracy committed legal actsto further the conspiracy's goals, all members
of the conspiracy may be held accountablefor those acts, and conspiracy applies to
both civil and criminal offenses. Forexample, you may conspire to commit murder

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or conspire to commit fraud. Ifyou recall its left and right about how
and why these murders happened and areconted. The information Pridit provided to you
today can easily be dramatized, butthere's really no need for me. The
last show had to make and modelof a murder mystery thriller with a headstrong

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protagonist. The information and connections onthis show has the bones of a more
complicated political mystery, but more ofan ensemble cast than just like one hero
or two heroes. Ultimately, mygoal here is to instill this sense of
doom. Nearly everyone I'll be talkingabout, which are all involved in conspiracies

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of their own, were not convictedfor their actions. It is baffling,
but especially so when you'll see howiron clad truthfuls some of this stuff ends
up being and the ones that doand on the business side of the courtroom,
they are most likely there through trumpedup charges. Likewise, nearly all

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of the people I'll be talking aboutmerit their own spotlight, their own thing
pieces and deep dives. Before Istart with the first segment, I should
point out that I'll be referencing backto the last show, both to refresher
memories on details of the episode andto understand connection to the subject of the
segment. I should also say thatI'll be quoting from lots of places and

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that important names mentioned in a segmentmight return later as a focus. The
sources I used the most to gatherthe information are from Sherry Seymour's book and
Jim Keith and Ken Thomas's book,again both mentioned on the last episode,
who I also use for sources,And obviously it goes without saying the mini

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articles that cooperate these books and othertheories. So without further ado, let's
begin with the wacken Hut Corporation thewacken Hut Connection to explain where, how,
and what this company was all about. Here's a shortened version of an
outdated introduction that used to be sentto prospective clients. Quote. Wackenheat Corporation

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had its beginnings in nineteen fifty fourwhen George R. Wakenhut and three other
former special agents of the FBI formeda company in Miami, Special Agent Investigators
to provide series to business and industry. In nineteen sixty two, wacken Hut
Operations extended from Florida to California andHawaii. On January first, nineteen sixty

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six, the company became international withoffices in Caracas, Venezuela, through half
ownership of an affiliate. The WackenhutCorporation became public in nineteen sixty six with
over the counter stock sales and joinedthe American Stock Stock Exchange in nineteen sixty
seven. Through acquisitions of subsidiaries andaffiliates, now totaling more than twenty and

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expansion of its contracts and to numerousterritories and foreign countries, the wacken Hut
Corporation had grown into one of theworld's largest security and investigative firms. There's
a lot more to this company.For example, in nineteen sixty wacken Hut
began extending its physical services to theUS government as a subsidiary, which prohibits

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set government from contracting with companies whichfurnish investigative or detective services. So this
means it's kind of like it's kindof like visiting a bunch of divorce attorneys
so that the spouse can hire it. You know, you know about this
move and the legal world, it'slike a monopoly move. You know,

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they would get contract through governments,and therefore other firms can't do the same
with the government because they already didit, you know. In seventy eight
and seventy nine, wacken Hut wasbrought into the fields of energy maps man
like the nuclear industry as well asan environmental and acquired a company specializing in

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outdoor electronic security. They don't workjust for business and industry, though,
they also take on individual clients,assuming they can afford it and have the
status. By the eighties, wackenHut had services like insurance expectors, surveys,
corporate acquisitions, pre employment screening,background reports, polygraph examinations, and

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general investigations for criminal fraud and arsonquote. The wide variety of services offered
by wacken Hut Corporation also includes guardand electronics security for banks, office buildings,
apartments, industrial complexes, and otherphysical structures. Training programs in English

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and foreign languages to apply wacken Hutprocedures to individual client needs, fire safety
and protective patrols, rescue and firstaid services, emergency support programs tailored to
labor management disputes. Which sounds shadyand pre departure screening programs widely used by

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airports and airlines. The company hasfacilities and offices, with operations spread across
the US and extending into Canada,the UK, Western Europe, the Middle
East, Indonesia, Central and SouthAmerica, and the Caribbean. These guys
sound like some shady just some bad, shady motherfuckers. Man already they do

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right, really just like sage business. But wow, yeah, it's a
lot. It's like half the worldthat's right there. They're missing Australia and
Asia and Africa, I guess,but that's that's half the world. Seemingly
from a so that used to workfor wacken Hut via, the CIA stated

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the following quote. You know they'vegot retired Admiral Stansfield Turner, a former
CIA director, Clarence Kelly, formerFBI director, Frank Carlucci, former CIA
deputy director, James Rowley, formerSecret Service Director, Admiral Bobby ray Inman,
former acting chairman of President Bush's ForeignIntelligence Advisory Board, and former CIA

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deputy director. Before his appointment asReagan CIA director, the late William Casey
was wacken Huts outside legal council.Wow, no kidding, yep. And
I checked most of these names,not all of them, because I have
a life. I'm kidding, I'mkidding. And I checked the you know,
the list on their backgrounds, andit's it's true the ties to wacken

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Hudster on them. Yeah, whatdo you think of that? So far?
Heavy heavy hitters. Yeah, Andthey're all have their own DOSses and
ship they all have their own allthese names big wigs in their own fields.
I mean a lot of these guys. Basically there's spooks. Yeah,
yeah, so would you say?And I hope I'm not giving away a

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lead here or anything, but isis wacken Hut considered the octopus? I
see what you mean. No,okay, okay, no, and uh.
The reason for that simple is thatthere's a lot of people that have,
I don't want to say, nothingto do with them, but definitely
that do not work for them ordo not shold stock with them, that

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are involved in the octopus but arenot connected in that way. Maybe they
use them before as a service thingslike that, but like not not quite
so No, it's definitely it's definitelybigger than them, the octopus, I
guess, but it's not their headquarters. It's some wacken Hut office at least,
not that I would imagine. Gotit okay? Okay? And that's
not going ahead? I mean,I actually don't know the answer quite yet

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to that, but based on everythingI read, I would say, no,
okay, fair enough. So audienceout there, listeners, what do
you think of this company so far? Is it great business nothing more?
Or does it immediately sound sinister orpotentially sinister? Let's talk about what makes

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Wackenhut darker? And I'll begin withan analogy. In television, especially in
the two thousands, the first fewepisodes, more so, the pilot establishes
what the show will look like forits duration, be it twenty seasons or
three more episodes. It is howa singular vision get best, gets recopied

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or fortified as the show progresses.It is why Martin Scorsese directed the pilot
for Borwalk Empire, why David Fincherdid Mindhunter, and why Brian Singer did
House and so on so on.In more than a way, it establishes
their stamp of style, vile,and direction for the rest of the show,
even if they never look at itagain. That being said, George

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R. Wackenhut was antisemitic and extremelyright wing. These character traits established what
wacken Hut turned into after he retiredand passed. Several articles have been written
about have been written concerning this naturewithin the bones of wacken Hut, and
one in the nineties gets into itvery well. Actually, they begin citing

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the crazy contract Wackenhut has had,like being the CIA's backup, working for
the Pentagon, the FBI guarding thenuclear reactors and Alaskan oil pipelines, secretly
arming Iraq and fueling unrest in Venezuela, and saying that it sounds like a
spy thriller novel, but it's alltrue. In the mid nineteen sixties,

(33:52):
wacken Hut boasted to potential investors thatthey had files on two point five million
Americans under the fire like other terriblepeople of locating left leaning communists meaning subversives
and sympathizers two point five million.They would sell this information as needed.

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Much of this came forward under aformer staff member of the House Committee on
un American Activities, Carl Barslag,when his private file was taken The reason
wacken Hut is first on my todo list is because it's connected to the
Kabison band of Mission Indians we heavilytalked about on the last show. It

(34:35):
was told in the press and otherplaces that Wackenhut hooked up with Cabison Indians
to manufacture arms and sending them toall sorts of places. You might ask,
why does the Disney of security firmswant with some small reservation in California.
The simplest reason is this Indian reservationsare sovereign land and do not come

(34:58):
under federal jurisdiction. Because of this, wacken Hut had to form a partnership,
a joint business venture with Cabazon Indiansin order to legally produce high tech
arms and explosives and be able tosend them worldwide. You see, only
the US government has or can lend, the green light to manufacture weapons on

(35:20):
US soil. This was how wackenHut was able to sitestep that while achieving
maximum profits. Brilliant this way,yep. This way, wacken Hut can
also avoid congressional prohibitions that would haveturned up if they weren't using reservation land.
This explains how it was possible toship weapons to the contrasts and Middle

(35:42):
Eastern countries, for example, doyou think that's the fine brilliant play I
mean played by Wackenhut. These arenot stupid people, right, And you
see tons of examples in our dayto day, in our modern history,
right, like modern events, companiesdoing this shit all the time. To
say them, right, they fuckedsome people over for to save X million,

(36:07):
three billion there or whatever. Absolutelyso not out of the reach of
possibility here. No, so let'sdig a little deeper and you know,
name some names here. Quote.In the early nineteen eighties, doctor John
Nichols, the Cabistan tribal administrator,obtained the Department of Defense Secret Facility clearance

(36:29):
for the reservation to conduct various researchprojects. Nichols then approached Wackenhut with an
elaborate joint venture proposal to manufacture ninemillimeter machine pistols, laser sited assault weapons,
sniper rifles, and portable rocket systemson the Cabison Reservation and in Latin

(36:50):
America. At one point, heeven sought to develop biological weapons unquote the
fuck Supposedly this was done on onesquare mile of land on the reservation,
no more or less. For somereason they they really pointed that out from
here. John Philip Nichols, theman I mentioned on the last show that

(37:12):
was into some shady things, includinggetting arrested for trying to hire someone to
kill for money, drafted a planto provide security for a palace. This
was Crown Princess Fod's palace in TIF, Saudi Arabia. And it is safe
to say that once the Crown Princesspeople looked into Cabston, Indians and wacken

(37:34):
Hut their assurances that any Jewish interferenceor sabotage was unlikely given the company's history,
meaning their right wing anti Semitic history. Therefore, they accepted the reason.
The reasoning behind backing certain South Americanregimes and Middle Eastern royals is broad
but powerful to dissuade Communist leaning influences, particularly from Russia. Of course,

(38:04):
as we know, George Wackenhut's companyand ideals were sympatical with anti communism.
Plus the very fact that the USwas very much like this back then and
still to more than one degree today. You know, it kind of fits
a little too nicely. Think ofthe McCarthy era people. That's what I'm
saying This leads to a myriad ofconnections of people and institutions that at times

(38:30):
has a looser grip and other timesa firmer one. This kind of global
business acumen leads Wackenhut and key playersto get in bed with the Reagans,
Bush, Nixon and other foreign dignitariesand agendas. But I digress for now.
Let's connect more with Kabiston. Thefour key figures in the Wackenhut Cabison

(38:52):
partnership are John Philip Nichols, Michaelwith Gnoshuto, Peter Zolkowski, and Robert
Fry. Now. John Philip Nicholshas had enough airtime on the show with
this one and the last one,and I call him like a shadow man,
the man behind the scene for allthe name jobs he's had since the

(39:15):
eighties, and as powerful as hisconnections were, Nichols has no wiki page,
for example. You know you thinkthere would be by now, but
no. Nearly everything about him istold through others and in business dealings.
What I find fascinating about Nichols,and I'll pose it as a question for
you, is was John Phillip Nicholsworking for wacken Hut first and foremost or

(39:38):
the Cabison Band of Mission Indians.What do you think? Well, I
mean, I'm just going chronologically howthe episode played out. I would say
the Cabison Man of Mission Indians,especially ues, because I'm with you on
that. Yeah, but shadow Man, that's a great moniker for him,

(40:00):
because I can tell you trying toput the episode show notes together for episode
one forty four, it was fuckingimpossible. I finally found it, but
so hard to find a picture ofthis man, so hard, right,
Yeah, it's another prominent guy I'mgonna focus on later on. Here's a
little teasier but I only saw oneand it's like an older one and it

(40:23):
looks more like a sketch than apicture. And I don't know, maybe
you can find a better one thanI did. Yeah, No, I'm
just but I agree with you Shatlemangreat. Yeah. Yeah. Now,
if you recall Nichols's family, entirefamily worked on the reservation, his son
and his wife, but Nichols Seniorcame into Katson a veteran at making deals,

(40:45):
and like I said on the lastshow, kicking Ass, he's the
person that began the venture of Cabistonand Wacken hut, even if he didn't
run it the whole time. Hisposition was officially set to administrator for the
reservation. Here's a little more onnichols quote. Police reports indicate that Nichols

(41:05):
previously did misses in Saudi Arabia,South Africa, Panama, Nicaragua, Guatemala,
Mexico, Chile, Brazil, theNetherlands, England, Canada, France,
Spain, Japan, Korea, andTaiwan. In nineteen sixty, Nichols
became the manager of a Coca Colabottling plant in South Paulo, Brazil.

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Then he became a Pentecostal leader ofthe Chilean Pentecostal movement and attended several evangelical
and gospel congresses in Bolivia. WhenNichols was hired in nineteen seventy eight,
Oh my God. He wrote himselfa ten year contract with the Cabasan tribe
that gave him fifty percent of theprofits of any business he brought to the

(41:53):
reservation in the summer of nineteen eightyand during the next three years, Nickel
embarked on a series of international securityand military ventures to provide security for Crown
Princess Fod's Saudi Arabia Palace proposals tomanufacture one one hundred and twenty millimeters combustible

(42:14):
cartridge cases on the reservation and inLatin and in Latin America, along with
nine millimeters machine pistols, laser citedassault weapons of course, sniper rifles,
and the rocket systems I mentioned earlier. That's Nicholas. What's interesting is eighty
percent of the locations you named wherehe had done business is just a hotbed

(42:40):
of political turmoil. Yeah, definitely, especially around that time around Yeah,
and a lot of that around thattime, and some of that stuff like
those from previous wars too, youthink of that, Yeah, yeah,
like the Korean War things like that. Yeah, this guy, it's all
intentional. It's all connecting a littlehere. Now we're going to move on
to another of the fourthly key playersthat I mentioned a paragraph or two ago.

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Robert Frye was vice president for WackenHuts Operations in Indio, California.
I don't have much on fry becauseI decided not to research him time,
you know, fucking crazy, buthe was a big deal in wacken Hut.
He was in charge of wacken Hut'sinternational subsidiary via Cabison Arms to securely

(43:29):
send weapons across international lines. Hewas also involved in negotiations to buy the
valley Field Chemical Productions Corporations Corporations ofQuebec. His time working in Indio,
the same headquarters as Cabston Bands,by the way, began shortly before the
venture was formalized in April first,nineteen eighty one, until he suffered a

(43:52):
heart attack and the venture was terminatedon October one, nineteen eighty four.
That is the lifespan of this endeavorfrom eighty one to eighty four. Robert
Fry also has no wiki page.Now Peter Zakowski moving on, Sorry should
said moving on now. Peter Zakowskiwas the president of this Cabizon operation through

(44:15):
Wackenhut. The following comes from atwenty ten article through Associated Press writers that
talk about the Fred Alvarez murder backin eighty one. Quote. Authorities probing
Alvarez's death recently took a large cardboardbox of Wackenhut related documents and tape recordings

(44:36):
from Peter Zakowski, the former presidentof a nearby munitions manufacturing plant. With
all the documents and memos I haveseen go back and forth. It looks
like they wanted to do these things. It just never happened. Zokowski,
who had government security clearance and whosewife was Indio's mayor, said wacken Hut

(44:59):
had asked him to write a proposalto build an arsenal and manufacture tank ammunition
on tribal land, but the classifiedproject went nowhere. It was submitted.
I didn't hear anything more about it, and wacken Hut withdrew Withdrew settled Slokowski,
who's now eighty three, back intwenty ten, So you know,

(45:20):
do the math. I think theywere dissatisfied with the structure of the Indian
organization. The Florida based company didsign a joint venture with the tribe to
win government security contracts, but thepartnership fizzled when it failed to get bids,
said former wacken Hut spokesman Patrick Cannon. He said, to his knowledge,
the deal did not involve weapons,yet, two men said in separate

(45:46):
legal filings the Cabson wacken Hut partnershipwas forged to sell weapons to the contrasts.
The idea was to develop night visiongoggles, machine guns, and biological
and chemical weapons to support foreign entities, which included the contrasts. According to
an affidavit filed in an unrelated caseby a man named Michael Riconoshuto, who

(46:09):
said he worked on this on thisvery deal. He is now in federal
prison on drug charges. People claimingCIA ties wanted the venture to develop machine
guns at a top secret tribal facilityfor distribution to Nicaragua. Set a second
man, weapons manufacturer Robert Booth Nichols, who is in no relation to John

(46:31):
Philip Nichols. In civil court filings, he said he pulled out because wacken
Hut didn't provide State Department approval.Unquote, there's a lot there. There
is is anthony you want to packthere from it? That was from the

(46:51):
article. I'm sorry they were quotingwithin the quotes. I don't know if
I should say quote again that dialogue, So drop some names here. Yeah,
Ricking a SHOOTO. I think youput in your sandwich ye uh yeah,
I don't. I don't know whatto unpack yet. Right, you're

(47:12):
right, you're right, And someof this stuff is purposefully being funny.
Like I will discuss more of it, of course, but like, yeah,
I had to put it in there, and this is where they mentioned
more of a Zolkowski in it.And you know the files he was asked
for and what people said that helied about. I mean what Patrick Cannon,
the spokesman for Wackenhut, said about. You know, all these dealings
failed, the bits failed, noweapons were involved. But if that was

(47:36):
a purpose to begin with, whywould you But other people are saying bullshit
right to other great exactly, yeah, wow, all right, let's go
on to this guy, Michael lookinga Shooto, the fourth Yeah, the
fourth player in the wacken Hut CabinSan partnership is a different breed altogether.
He worked for the CIA when recruitedto work for wacken Hut after the venture

(47:58):
was born, we could Judo wasbrought in to figure out the science and
technical knowledge required to actually build theweapons. This is the kind of brilliance
that government agencies recruit out of school, which he was, We're going to
shoot work at Cabiston Arms from eightythree to eighty four as head of research.
He excelled at manufacturing fuel to airexplosives on the reservation, which were

(48:23):
then sent abroad, as well asmodifying a borrowed version of a special software
for international use. His role inthe Cabison Wackenhut partnership is heavy, but
his role in the Octopus organization ismore extensive. You see, he is

(48:44):
my lynch Pen. He ties CabistonIndians with Danny Casilero's research. He is
the glue that ties both cases fromthe last show together because of what he
told and showed Castellaro possibly led tohis death in that hotel bathtub. Wiquinoshoota's
profile and exploits will be told inparts as he fits within the episode later

(49:07):
on. And now this might bethe best time to mention that Danny Cassilero,
the freelance journalists found dead in WestVirginia in nineteen ninety one, had
mentioned to colleagues that his next destinationwas to be Indio, California. Casilero's
research through Michael Wikinoshutto, of course, led him to find out what happened

(49:30):
at cavist On Indio Reservation and wasbeginning to plan on going there before he
died. Like the beginnings of theplan right, this unfortunately cannot be proven
as it was word of mouth.Another interesting tidbit I found is that Castilera
was noodling to title his book Indiobased on everything that went on in there.
Presumably there's really a whole lot more, but I kind of have to

(49:55):
move on. I went with backenHut as my first segment because it nicely
sets the rest of the show andit encourages further research for those wanting to
know more. If you are inclinedto know more and what Wackenhoot is up
to these days, search for Gfour s Secure Solutions. That is their

(50:16):
current name as of two thousand andtwo, as part of a merger.
I think, let's look that up. Yeah, so that's the first time.
Okay, so do we think whatdo you think it was? Do
we think Rick and the shoot Rickand a SHOOTO was the man Cassalo was

(50:40):
meeting up with. Yes, really, yes, Sorry I thought I didn't
say that that way, but yeah, it's I believe I mentioned that.
I might even mentioned it in thelast show that that was him, or
maybe I just had two sources,but either way, yeah, he's one
of the two sources. So wasthis the one that the waitress said,

(51:01):
Oh yeah, we saw No,that's something else. I know what,
I know what you're talking about No, no, no, the darn yeah
no no no no no no,no no no, that's something else.
Sorry, don't get definitely don't confusethat one, I guess. Uh,
I'll just tell you this part nowbecause I'm not I don't mention it ever
in this one. It's in forthree, gotcha. Well we can hold

(51:22):
it till part three. Yeah,but no, that has nothing to do
with it. I mean, thathas everything to do with this, but
in a smaller thing. It's notthe same guy because uh, I mean,
yeah, but Michael and Michael,we're going to shoot her and one
other person or the two sources andDanny Casterero, you know, got the
fountain. The grand majority of hisinformation that led him to like talk to

(51:44):
other people, phone call a lotof people, possibly led him to be
noticed by someone shady, got himkilled. Ideally if he believed that he
didn't commit suicide. Of course,this is all speculated in the last show,
of course, but it's good toremind him. Yeah, and that's
where like, you know, ledto his death in the sense that he
got too much and he had hewas just one man, you know,

(52:06):
so if you want him killed,you get him killed. Wow. Right,
then the papers that were stolen orthat were not in still missing the
hotel room. Do you think thosepapers were provided by Rick in the shootout?
Definitely? Wow? Or at leastlike just like where to find them?
Okay, Yeah, I have realstuff on that too, all right,

(52:28):
resmile to the next segment here,called the Inslaw fair in slaw kind
of like coldslaw, but in inslaa law. Okay, Now, this
whole thing is a doozy. Thereasons I want to tell you about inslaw
are many. It's super fascinating andit was labeled the scandal that Wouldn't die.

(52:51):
Inslaw brings in the government in amuch bigger way than anything I've said
today or on the last show combined. Nearly everything out this segment is corroborated
with documents like Affid Davits, internalreporting and courtroom files that turn into articles
and books down to me. Anotherreason is that introduces Danny Cassilero's other big

(53:15):
time source of information. If youwere to look at this from a judicial
standpoint, the foreground is the caseof Anslaw versus the US Department of Justice,
and the background is what those documentsnever say. But show that intent
like motive, for example, andfinancially gainful plotting are rarely, if ever,

(53:37):
in stuffy documents. But that's ourforeground. It's what makes it interesting
for people like us who are wantedto know the whole truth, not just
a part of it. Like mostthings in life. If you want to
know what makes inslaw interesting, wegot to get into the background first.
Inslaw is an acronym that stands forInstitute for Law and Social Research. Inslaw

(54:00):
was an information technology company that wasbased in Washington, d c. Its
founder is a man named William A. Hamilton, who began inslaw as a
nonprofit organization in nineteen seventy three.Their contracts and grants primarily came from the
Law Enforcement Assistance Administration or the LAA. This is the government, so acronyms

(54:27):
here, folks. Sorry, theylove they love them, They really fucking
do. Inslaw's purpose was to developcase management software for law enforcement office automation.
Specifically, inslaw developed a program calledPROMISE, which stands for Prosecutors Management
Information System, and it was meantfor use in law enforcement record keeping and

(54:52):
case monitoring activities. This was theseventies, folks, So all of the
convenience we can appreciate today took apainstakingly long time back then, especially when
paperwork is involved. The option todrag and drop was nonexistent. So this
software at this time sounds boring tous, but saves a lot of time

(55:13):
for them. Let's not forget timeequals money, so save his time saves
money. In nineteen eighty, inslatcontinued operating, but as a for profit
and began marketing the software to currentand new users. This was because Congress
abolished the LAAA in nineteen eighty,which led Bill Hamilton to transfer Inslaugh's assets

(55:37):
over to the new corporation. Sothat's how he became the way he did.
But I'm not a computer guy,all right. I never saw Halton
catch Fire, and I know themovie Hackers as fake as fuck, So
I will not go into detail ofthe software the transferring process from mainframe to
sixteen bit mini computer versions, forexample, Like I don't know if I

(56:00):
could get it to it, becauseit'll be boring and I won't understand the
information. One thing that I willsay is that in order for promise to
work in different systems or with alterations, that's seen benign in twenty twenty one.
Like languages or menus, one wouldhave to develop it each separate time,
customized for the one buying it.System updates and operating systems are kind

(56:22):
of like that a little bit.Now, before I drop the scandal hammer,
I want to talk about a contractand some of the rights that Promise
used to have now written Kobyl cobylis they call it a programming language.
Programming language. Thank you, Yeahyou know it? Okay, yeah,

(56:43):
old bastard, it's really old.Yeah yeah, right, so I could
tell it's all because I've never heardof it before this research written Coobyl,
the software's primary users of the firstfew versions of Promise for state and local
law enforcements, as well as theUS Orney's Office of the District of Columbia.
All of this came on the contractwhen the LAA was still around and

(57:07):
Inslaw was a nonprofit. In litigation, both the DOJ and Inslaw agreed that
those versions of Promise are in thepublic domain and neither entities had exclusive rights
to it anytime after nineteen eighty iswhere the problem begins. The pilot program,
I'm sorry. The pilot project forPromise began in nineteen seventy nine,

(57:30):
but the Department of Justice were lovingthe results and so decided for full implementation
of the software in eighty one.This was to be Promise in twenty of
the largest US attorney's offices and seventyfour and smaller ones with the work processor

(57:51):
and mini computer versions. In Marchof eighty two, Inslaw was awarded a
three year, ten million dollar concontract by the Contact Division the Executive Office
of United States Attorneys or EOUSA sortof got sorry. Things began to fall

(58:12):
apart right away. EOUSA and DOJwere not happy. They determined that Inslaw
was violating terms of an advanced paymentclause in the contract, which Inslaw needed
to literally finance the project. Thispart alone became months of negotiations. In
the first year of the contract,the DOJ did not have the hardware to

(58:36):
support Promise. Inslaw provided a stopgapmeture which I won't go into until the
proper equipment was installed, but theEOUSA claimed they were being overcharged for the
service and withheld payments. In thesecond year of the contract, the DJ
claimed that there was difficulty getting Promiseto work, and in nineteen eighty four

(58:59):
they canceled a portion of the contract. This ultimately led Inslaw's financial problems to
worsen, and the company filed forChapter eleven bankruptcy in February nineteen eighty five.
Then there are proprietary rights disputes inaddition to all this. It's long,

(59:21):
but I'm going to try to summarizeit as best as I can.
And yes, it is all veryimportant, and it connects to some dark
shed. Okay, we know thateverything created under the laaa's public domain.
What the EO USA wanted was tohave unlimited rights to all versions of Promise
under contract, including the versions ofPromise written for the stopgap measure measure I

(59:45):
mentioned earlier, like nineteen eighty two. Inslaw was trying to find ways to
make money with Promise and had madesomething called Enhanced Promise or Promise eighty two,
like an update filled with you know, with all the updates and all
the stuff that we're trying to maximize. The DOJ was disputing that the contract

(01:00:07):
data Claus said or possibly alluded to, quote gave the government unlimited rights in
any technical data and computer software deliveredunder contract unquote. This thing was supposedly
resolved after the DOJ was assured andconvinced by Enslaw that Promise Ady two contained

(01:00:27):
enhancements undertaken at private expense after thecessation of the l EAA. This.
So I'm stop right there for asecond and explain a little bit because I'm
realizing that it might be complicated becauseI read all this, and OK,
so the reason and a company likeGainst Law in this case, from turning
nonprofit to for profit and gaining thiscontract and then having problems with this contract

(01:00:52):
of ten million, ten million dollarswith with heel payments, you know,
has to try to think of thefuture and try to sell this thing to
perspective people. So they updated it, make differences, make menus, prioritize
certain things in it, to makethe stuffware run better on different systems.
Everything they did after nineteen eighty andaside from the contracts they were trying to

(01:01:14):
do in order to sell it toother things like companies or people individuals.
Right, and the DJ were claimingthat that was all theirs think of it
that way, that this was allunder them, and that other than the
public domain stuff, that they shouldget everything unlimited rights said it. They
said it twice. I said ittwice. For them. So like that

(01:01:36):
is the dispute going on right now, and hopefully the rest comes as clear
as I try to say it.Anyway. This issue came up again in
nineteen eighty two when the DJ involvedits contract rights to request all the Promise
program and documentation. The DOJ saidin litigation that the reason for this was

(01:01:57):
that instat did not look financially reliableto continue, which is funny to me
since there was them that kept havingproblems with the software and continually withheld payments
which they needed to fucking do it. Inslaw responded in eighty three that it
was willing to give them the computertapes and documents of Promise, but before
doing so told the DOJ that theywould have to reach an agreement on the

(01:02:22):
inclusion or exclusion of the features thechanges basically quote. The DOJ response to
Inslaw was to emphasize that the implementationcontract called for a version of Promise in
which the government had unlimited rights,and to ask for information about the enhancements

(01:02:42):
Inslaw claimed as proprietary. Inslaw agreedto provide this information, but noted that
it would be difficult to remove theenhancements from the time sharing versions. Of
Promise and offered to provide the VAXversion of Promise if the DOJ would agree
to limit their distribution. In Marchof nineteen eighty three, the DJ again

(01:03:05):
informed Inslaw that the implementation contract requiredInslaw to provide I'm sorry to produce software
in which the government had unlimited rights, and that delivery of software with restrictions
would not satisfy the contract. Thatthe sputed continued a little more. But
that's the contract and rights issue ininvolving Promise. What do you think is

(01:03:29):
happening so far? Okay, whatit sounds like is the DLJ, the
Department of Justice, is trying toget a hold of a potentially super software
and have access to all implementations ofthis software. And I'm guessing I don't

(01:03:49):
know what Promise does, but I'mguessing it's a database of names. Whether
it's I mean, we're talking aboutthe DLJ, so whether it's a list
of criminals, a list of societyprisoners, you're on the right track.
And more boring than that, it'sjust a software that helps people track any
kind of like law enforcement type ofactivities which you would which you would be
right associates of a criminal, tonames and dates of all the police workers

(01:04:15):
that work in the building, tolike even inventory things like how many cots
are in this jail or how manyguns they have in bullets and shoelaces,
things like that boring sounding stuff,but all itemized in one software and one
program potentially incredibly important information to theright entity. You may not care about
this county, but you might careabout this other one. Right, So

(01:04:39):
with the DJ one in possession,I equate possession to access. Uh,
they could access database anywhere the softwareis implemented. Yeah, it's kind of
what I'm getting out of this.Yeah, I mean, yeah, I
mean you're definitely making leaps to thatthat I'm going to get there. Yes,
but yeah, I mean it's obviouswork conspiracy show. Obviously it's easy

(01:05:01):
to go there. Yeah, sothis place, I'm right, I'm trying
to show the first few steps ofhow they're trying to take it away from
install okay one way or another.You know they're they're doing it. They're
saying things like like example, likethe contradiction of like they're not happy with
this they're going at with health andpayments. Well, the guys can't install

(01:05:23):
these things and these services or theycan't help you without getting paid right right,
and then saying that they're not financiallystable, so we should get all
the rights, like we're not financiallystable because you won't pay us for the
thing that you hired us for,and the contract states this is that otherwise
you should get it all back.But they're like no, no, no,
we need all this unlimited rights.Whereas the tapes see what I'm saying,

(01:05:44):
like, yep, it's bully,it's fully behavior. Yeah, and
the bully and the LUs money andhe's still going to beat you up,
you know, run the company tothe ground and litigation. Okay, I'm
following, Yeah, good. Continuingon here, this is where I'm going
to introduce a new name. DOJcontracting officer Peter Videnix, who sent a

(01:06:06):
letter proposing a modification in the contractfor Inslaw trying to shorten it. Here.
It basically said, in return forInslaw sending the software and data requests,
the DOJ would agree to not discloseor dilute the material beyond the ninety
four offices where promise had been alreadyimplemented. This was called Modification twelve,

(01:06:31):
and Inslaw agreed and sent the necessarymaterials. All does not go well again
when Inslaw has problems demonstrating the extentof the enhancements and use of private funding
in their development. Inslaw proposed manymethods to do this, but were rejected
by the DOJ. So guess whathappened. After filing for Chapter eleven,

(01:06:56):
Inslaw was still in dispute with theDOJ over contract payments and therefore were listed
as a creditor. Simultaneously, theDOJ continued its office automation program and added
promise to twenty three more offices.Quote. When Inslaw learned of the installations,
it notified EOUSA that this was inviolation of Modification twelve and filed the

(01:07:21):
claim for two point nine million dollars, which Inslaw said was the license fees
for the software the DOJ self installed. Inslaw also filed claims for services performed
during the contract for a total offour point one million dollars. The DOJ
contracting officer, Peter Videnix, deniedall of these claims. Unquote, Yes,

(01:07:45):
this further proved what you were sayingand the naked shamelessness really of it
all. And they did it thisway. I mean, there's more to
it, of course I'm going tosay, but like, I'm already frustrated
for them. This must have beena horrible time for them, especially for
Hamilton. But yeah, this iskind of shit that seems like boring but

(01:08:09):
also like must happen all the timesomewhere out there, feels like anyway,
now, in Slaw did fight back. They did appeal the denied claims to
the Department of Transportation Board of ContactAppeals or DOTBCA as for the rights claim.
In June of eighty six, nineteeneighty six, Inslaw filed an adversary

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hearing in bankruptcy Court, saying thatthe DOJ's actions violated provisions of the Bankruptcy
Code by meddling with the Inslaw's rights, meaning that the DOJ were trying to
bankrupt Inslaw to take promise without adheringto contracts or paying them yep. INSLAC
claims that the DOJ official officials likePeter Winnicks were biased against them. William

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Hamilton, founder of Inslaw, claimedthat some of that bias was directed at
him personally. I should mention thatonce the company became for profit, the
owners became William Hamilton and his wifeas well, Nancy Hamilton. So they
were goners. It's nice couple.Now they had mild winds or positives with

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an independent handling and adversary proceedings whenthe judge clearly stated that the people from
the DOJ were being unfair and biasedand unreliable. But this didn't help much
when things got overturned after a judge. A series of judge reappointments muddled the
case in May of nineteen ninety one, and they dismissed Inslaw's complaints. Inslaw

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appealed the decision to the Supreme Court, which of course declined to hear the
case. I could keep going on, as I said, this is the
scandal that wouldn't die. But whatdoes that have to do with the octopus
conspiracy? Welleme. Some of youmay have figured it out, but Promise
was being used by more than theDOJ and their offices. It was illegal

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or shady enough to bankrupt this companyfor selfish purposes, but to then involve
the FBI, the CIA mainly,and other agents in distributing Promise at will
is worse. There were several federalinvestigations based on what Install claimed the DOJ
was doing. This was done atfirst through the House Judiciary Committee as well

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as Senate's Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations orPSI. This is what the congressional investigation
looked like through PSI. Through theSenate, Bill Hamilton brought new allegations,
and they seem far fetched though plausible. He said that the deal's dispute with

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Instaugh was part of a conspiracy todrive them into bankruptcy so that a man
named Earl W. Brian could getthe assets, including promise. Earlbrien,
in my opinion, is a playerin the octopus scheme. Brian was a
founder of a venture capital firm calledBiotech, which turned into Info Technology Biotech

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Capital Corporation in the eighties controlled acompany called Hadron, Inc. In nineteen
eighty three, while Ronald Reagan wasin office, Earlbrien made an offer to
Bill Hamilton to acquire Inslaugh and hisassets. Hamilton, of course declined,
and he says that Brian threatened him, saying there are other ways of making

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yoursell. Wow. You see,Brian had many government contracts and a deposition
in conjunction with this Senate investigation.Brian I in testified that Hadron had roughly
forty computer system contracts with US intelligenceagencies and the DOJ as well. Furthermore,

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he was good friends with at thetime Attorney General Edwin mess who actually
worked for Brian in the cabinet offormer California Governor Ronald Reagan and later in
Reagan's White House. I mean talkabout conspiracy. Earl. Brian began by

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serving in the Army Medical Corps inVietnam before serving for Reagan in California,
then had an unsuccessful run for theSenate in seventy four. Now, the
eighties is where his business career takesIn biotech, capital invested in companies developing
medical technology, and when biotech turnedinto info technology, the focus became news

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and information services, acquiring, forexample, United Press International in nineteen eighty
eight, one of the two majorAmerican news wires of its day. Funny
enough, Brian filed for bankruptcy innineteen ninety one, and in nineteen ninety
five was charged with conspiracy and fraudfor inflating the value of his assets in

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an attempt to secure loans to showup the companies. In nineteen ninety six,
he was sentenced to four years inprison and has since died last November
actually twenty twenty. His name willturn up here and there, but it
is telling how behaviors from some ofthese companies and people are first seen suspicially

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when it matters, then get caughtfor something just like it years later after
they've been exonerated from the Arctopus conspiracy. Funny how that works. The way
Brian's story ends, meaning going tojail for being a dick is similar to
John Philip Nichols for trying to hirea hitman and was put in jail for
it. Of course, this wasafter the damage was done and justice was

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not found. Now let's get backto Insai here. So those were the
new allegations, and unfortunately the Senateinvestigation produced no evidence to support further inquiry
through the House Judiciary Committee. Anotherinvestigation began, this time with completely different
allegations. Install had amassed statements andaffid davits from witnesses that supported Hamilton's claims

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of biases and conspiracy. The twokey witnesses were Ari Ben Manashi I might
be mispronouncing that, by the way, it's just regularly the name saying Ari
Ben Manashi and Michael Kinoshudo and Bothof their accounts supported each other's claims.
Rikunoshudo swore that Earlbrien had given hima copy of Promised eight, which says

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that Brian was after insusts products.Yudo added modifications to the software, but
not menus or not menus or likethings like that he was changing Promise for
use by intelligence agencies and law enforcementworldwide. This is the program that Reconna
Shooter had been working on while onCabin's Sun Indian land back in eighty three.

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The timeline fits very well too,seeing how Brian wanted to sell this
software worldwide, along with the DOJfuckery that they were doing to inslaw Ari.
Ben Manashi said that the public andenhanced version of Promise were taken and
sold to Israel. Quote Committee investigatorsinterviewed ben Manashi in May nineteen ninety one,

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and he told them that Brian soldEnhanced Promise to both Israeli intelligence and
Singapore's armed forces, receiving several milliondollars in payment. He also testified that
Brian sold public domain versions to Iraqand Jordan. As you may expect,
the House Judiciary Committee found no evidenceto support these claims, but they did

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say this of the DOJ quote.This clearly raises the specter that the department
actions against Install in this matter representan abuse of power of shameful proportions unquote.
They also used words like trickery,fraud, and de seed to describe
the actions against Install. A Boareport also yielded no positive results. Despite

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Inslaw's attempts to refute this, TheBoa report is interesting and if this conspiracy
wasn't so lengthy already, I mighthave tackled it. But I do recommend
it as further reading material. Howdo you say that again? Report booah
b u A. It's based onthe guy who did it, but it's
like a big deal. For somereason, they kept calling it the BUA

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reports. Okay, okay, it'sname of the same. I didn't reach
too much into it, but anything, uh you want I mentioned there to
say it? No, I thinkI'm okay, yeah, is it too
much? It's a lot. I'mfollowing, though, I'm following. Yeah,
but you're starting to see it,right. We're gonna shoot out this
in the end and Slaw Yeah,it's Finn reaching for sure. Yes,

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sure. Notice how May of nineteenninety one is when Ben Manashi gives his
testimony a few months before Danny Castilero'sdeath. You see through Riconoshudo Ari Ben
Manashi had met with Castilero for hisOctopus book, and they had allegedly met
a day or two before he diedin Martinsburg, West Virginia. I believe

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it was mentioned in the Unsolved Mysteriesclip from the Last show. Same thing
goes for Ricon No Shudo. Hetestified sometime in late nineteen ninety to early
ninety one and was Castilero's source forthe many forks and branches of the Octopus
conspiracy. They were in constant contentgoing back to install here. There's a
couple of things I want to mentionthat thickens the plot. See that I

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tease you and I go back tothe topic. So I'm under it now.
This following section comes from Cherry Seymour'sbook quote in May nineteen eighty eight,
just a few months after the FederalBankruptcy Court in Washington, d C.
Issued fully litigated findings that the JusticeDepartment had stolen the promised legal case

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management software from Inslaw in the earlyeighties through trickery, fraud and deceit,
and then attempted to drive Inslaw outof business so the company would be unable
to litigate. Ronald Legrant, thechief investigator for the State Senate Judiciary Committee,
telephone Hamilton to pass on information fromsomeone he described as a trusted senior

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Justice Department career official who had beenin the criminal division of the Justice Department
since the time of the Watergate scandalunder Nixon. Hamilton had recently explained to
Lagrant his belief that the Reagan administrationhad stolen promise with the intention of using
the stolen software as the basis forthe award of a massive Justice Department computerization

(01:19:15):
contract to a friend of the Reaganadministration. The Grant told Hamilton that his
source had asked him to tell misterand missus Hamilton the following quote. Within
the quote, what you think happeneddid happen? You are not crazy,
but you do not know squat abouthow dirty the INSLAC case really is.

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If you ever learn even half ofit, you will be sickened. Inslaw
is a lot dirtier for the Departmentof Justice and its breadth and depth than
Watergate. The Justice Department has beencompromised at every level on the INSLAC case
unquote both ends. Okay, butsomeone's just saying this right, So at

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face value, do we take it? I don't know. Probably what do
you think? So I apologized thelongest fucking sentence. Yeah, look what
the DJ did to inslaw. Imean corruption at every level probably mm hmm.
Yeah, I'm about to get intothis trusted senior official that I just

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hyped up through the quote. Butuh yeah, to say things like that
that bigger than Watergate. I mean, I mean the Watergate. I know,
for people like us, Jay,I mean our age, we know
what water Gate is, although Ithink a lot of people my age maybe
don't know. I don't know,but it's a huge thing, for sure,
a huge American thing. It's likea brought down Nixon. Yeah,

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I mean right, let him cryingand running away in a helicopter. I
love watching that clip, by theway, when he goes into the hell.
Okay, continuing on here, thattrusted senior Justice Department official was none
other than Elliott Richardson. You knowwho desires I don't recognize his name.

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Okay, here's some modern history foryou. He's the kind of politician,
it feels any way to me thatwe need more of. He was a
lawyer and public servant who's most famousfor two things. His involvement in the
Enslaw case defending Bill Hamilton, aswell as was featured in the dad In
Cassilliro episode of the Unsolved Mysteries clipthat I used. And he was also

(01:21:32):
attorney US Attorney General. Now,he was a prominent figure in the Watergate
scandal and resigned rather than obeying Nixon'sorder to fire the special prosecutor that was
on the case. That's the secondthing. It's famous Artie Rise, That's
the first thing. Was Wow,Okay, So he's like a good guy,

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I would say. Along with AttorneyGeneral, he also held three additional
promi and in positions Secretary of Health, Commerce, and Defense, one of
two people in US history to haveheld four cabinet positions. Richardson did a
lot to help Hamilton, like writingletters and propositions to get traction on further

(01:22:17):
investigations, and the fact that hissupport carried a lot of weight and washed.
Now. One strange roadblock he encounteredwas when then Attorney General Richard Thornberg
was stonewalling Richardson's letters imploring the needfor further investigation on the actions that were

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taken against Inslaw. This was shortlybefore ninety one before testimonies by Rittannieshudo and
Ben Mnashi were taken, and Richardsonhad told Thornberg that it was his duty
to investigate these claims because they hadmerit. So he filed a lawsuit against
Thornburg in Federal district Court for failingand refusing to carry out his clear duty

(01:23:03):
in the Inslack case, but thatthe ruling stated that the discretion of this
decision is up to the prosecution asto whether or not it wants to investigate,
and that there was no legal authorityto intrude. Once those affidavits claiming
that promise since the early eighties wereused for various intelligence tracking applications, Richardson

(01:23:26):
sought outside council. This is thefirst time I'm mentioning this part. Richardson
asked a retired four star general AdmiralDaniel Murphy to review the plausibility of the
claims that covert dispersal or promise wereused for intelligence applications and if he could
help explain Attorney General Thurnberg's otherwise inexplicablefailure to enforce the federal criminal laws.

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This Admiral Murphy had served as Richardson'smilitary advisor when he was Secretary of Defense
under Nixon, and later had heldtwo of the top posts in the US
intelligence which are Deputy Director of theCIA under President Ford and Under Secretary of
Defense for Intelligence under Carter. PresidentCarter. Sorry, a reliable expert,

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Basically, I mean, this isa reliable guy, right, I would
say so. I'm going to readthe last part of a chapter in Seymour's
book that makes him make this betterand simultaneously worse. We'll see what I
mean. Quote. After reading theaffidavits and the AANSTAS lawsuit against Thornberg,

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Murphy told Richardson and Hamilton that hewas sorry to say that there was nothing
implausible about any of the claims,including the claim by Michael mcginashutto that he
had modified promise for US intelligence onan Indian reservation in southern California, that
the available evidence made it look likean NSSA operation, that if it were

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an NSSA operation, it would explainThornberg's behavior because Thornberg would not have needed
to receive a call from the Whitehouse to know that his job was to
stonewall until the cows came home.Elliott Richison passed away at the end of
nineteen ninety nine. In two thousandand one, Hamilton contacted Admiral Murphy again

(01:25:25):
and gave him an approximately fifty pageInslaught summary of evidence revealing that the Justice
Department began misappropriating promise in nineteen eightytwo for three separate intelligence projects. One
NSA's deployment of promise to banks toenable NSSA to track wire transfers of money

(01:25:46):
and letters of credit. Two Israeliintelligent sales of a trapped door version of
promise to foreign governments so Israel andthe United States could covertly intercept their intelligent
secrets. And three the CIA's deploymentor Promise throughout the US government as the

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standard data based software for the gatheringand disseminating of US intelligent information. Murphy
told Hamilton that the Inslaw summary eliminatedany doubt about what had happened, and
that the install case needed to besettled. He warned Hamilton, however,
that government officials would regard it astheir patriotic duty to look Inslaw's lawyer in

(01:26:33):
the eyes and lie, making itessential that Inslas find another outstanding lawyer like
Elliott Richardson to represent the company inseeking compensation. Shortly before introducing mister and
missus Hamilton to see Boyden Gray oneweek after the September eleven, two thousand

(01:26:55):
and one terrorist attacks and asking Grayto become the John Adams of the instaw
case. That's how we put itwow and represent inslaw, simply because it
was the right thing to do.Murphy said something to Hamilton that Hamilton now
suspects. Suspects may have been anallusion to the use of the NSA bank
surveillance version of promise to launder drugprofits. Now drugs are involved, this

(01:27:21):
is still look well, guys,I'm sorry. In September two thousand and
one, Murphy, who had servedas chief of staff to Vice President Bush
during the first term of the Reaganadministration when the promise misappropriations began, told
Hamilton that this was his hunch thatthere was still another use of promise that

(01:27:42):
install had not yet discovered, thatit involves something so seriously wrong that money
alone cannot cure the problem, andthat the government might never compensate inslaw unless
the company discovers that additional use ofpromise. Unfortunately, Admiral Murphy passed away
suddenly several days later in September twentyfirst, two thousand and one, and

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Hamilton was never able to obtain clarificationfrom Murphy where his hunch had originated from
relative to the other use of promise, that install had not yet discovered,
and we don't know who it was. No. As a PostScript, Bill
Hamilton later mentioned to me that inretrospect he had come to believe that the

(01:28:28):
other use of promise involved laundering moneyfrom drug profits. He said he believed
that the main role of the CabstanWackenhut joint venture was connected to government sanctioned
drug trafficking and money laundering by organizedcrime groups like the Gambino Family and groups
like the Contrast, and that MichaelWignoschuto's job was to help these groups access

(01:28:51):
n essays bank surveillance versions of promiseto launder the proceedings from those drug uses.
Unquote, yeah are you kidding me? Yes? Wow? Yeah?
How so now we got the mafiapulled in too. I just pulled them,
I just got them. I justpulled them out of there the tentacles,

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So what do you think of thepossibility of that? So just a
real quick weekcat because I quoted alot there and I'm sorry, a lot
of technical stuff going on here andit might be hard to whatever and I'm
trying my best to read it right. But Elliot Richardson, the hot shot,
good guy lawyer that said, fuckyou next time, I'm not going
to join your Watergate old timer knowsa loud shit, try to help and

(01:29:41):
stall And when he discovered that theattorney general basically sum rising, it's forever.
When you discovered that the attorney generalis at the time Stoneberg was stonewalling
him, he asked an admiral ifan admiral friend of his who knows his
shit in the intelligence community, hehad held the top jobs. He was
holding the top jobs when he askedabout this, like, hey, can

(01:30:02):
you read my stuff here, seeif it's plausible and what's going on with
this attorney general like not talking tome? And he's like, yes,
it's very plausible that this could behappening, and it could explain that maybe
it's an NSSA operation because of theway he's stonewalling you. Because it's just
natural or common to stonewall anyone who'sasking questions like that. They don't need

(01:30:27):
to say so from the White Houseto just say no to you and not
investigate. And then from there EllieRichardson at some point in nineteen ninety nine,
like I said, he died becausehe told a man to just died
from natural causes. And so intwo thousand and one, you know,
inslav Bill Hamilton sent a fifty pagelike summary like the way I'm doing the
show, sent it over to himto this admiral guy, right, and

(01:30:51):
this admiral like then he figured out, like, hey, there's some other
stuff going on here, and thisis the last part that I was talking
about about the drug angle on theMonday laundering and all these other the last
part basically, so I'm just tryingto like timeline it a little bit for
everyone. But before he could actuallysay something really big about it, he
died in just a week or soafter after nine to eleven. Basically,

(01:31:15):
Wow, yeah, this died suddenlysuddenly, right, we air quoting died
suddenly, or we know that hejust died suddenly. He was already but
like pretty still kind of suspect Idon't know if those I don't know anything
about it, like if you hadan autopsy or nothing like that. Sorry
about that one, I guess now. The case continued after that, not

(01:31:39):
to mention the many details I gavehints to or otherwise ignored for the sake
of time, but I'll save someof the install's findings in the two thousands
for the next show. We're notfinished with the eighties and nineties quite yet,
not by a long shot. BeforeI proceed with the next segment,
I want to talk a little aboutBill Hamilton. This Inslaw section says a

(01:32:00):
lot about Hamilton that I didn't sayaloud. That he's tenations, tenacious and
the victim of epic monetary and intelligenceabuse by what we're calling the octopus.
Keep in mind that the purpose,the purpose of this organization, again unofficially,
is to make money, and thatit is those illegal ways to make

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money through companies like Inslaw is whatmakes them a group working in unison,
even if they themselves don't acknowledge it. Remember what I said about at the
top of the show. Conspiracies allowfor derivative liability, where conspirators can also
be punished for the illegal acts carriedout by other members, even if they're

(01:32:44):
not directly involved. Thus, wereone or more members of the conspiracy committing
the legal acts to further the conspiracy'sgoals. All members of the conspiracy may
be held accountable for those acts.That's the definition. This is what's happening.
A darker and further reason for theoctopus to exist is that they are
also manipulating current events to suit theirpolitical interests. Think of Wackenhat's politically motivated

(01:33:10):
stance and how it influenced their clients, their clientele, how promise was being
sold to foreign countries to potentially spyon them. This is, of course,
way before Edward Snowden's whistle blowing onthe NSA for spying on Americans.
Good point, how long have theybeen doing it? Jesus? How long

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have they been trying, succeeding andfailing. You know, Hamilton is fighting
the ocean here, meaning he probablywill not win, but he's one of
the main reasons we are here todayas well. He was Cherry Seymour's source
for her twenty year in the Makingbook that I've been quoting this whole time.
He spoke to Rachel Begley, thedaughter of one of the victims in

(01:33:54):
California's triple murders. That made hera believer of the octopus and led it
fail to face to her dad's killer. At least one of them, you
know, Jimmy Hughes. Jimmy Hughes, right Hamilton, and Danny Casilera played
chess over the phone for Fok's sake. I mentioned that was so not This
connection led to prominent government figures likeElliott Richardson to speak up for Castilero when

(01:34:18):
he was found dead in ninety one. Everything is connected here when he was
found suicided. Yeah, everything isconnected here. So we're saying the octopus
is the NSA. No, butit's one of them maybe, like a

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long time. I don't know.I would say no. If you're asking
me point blank what do I thinkbased on everything I read, I would
say no, Okay, I'm stillputting the pieces together, trying to figure
it out, you know. Okay, it's the hierarchy either, I don't
think you know, it's like,okay, we's going a way on party
in that one. Sure, sure, Okay, I'm just hope the listeners

(01:35:00):
are doing the same thing. Iam. It's just trying to put the
pieces figure out who I hope,yeah, hopefully it's possible. All right,
Now the third segment here I'm goingto start. It's called Michael Wikonahudo
Rick in the Shooto. Now,this might be the best time to bring
Casilero's other prime source, Michael Wikanashudo. Through a man named Jeff Steinberg,

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Bill Hamilton was put in touch withWeakna Shudo on May eighteenth, nineteen ninety.
This was when Hamilton was told ofthe starling dimensions of insaus case.
This covert player told Hamilton how Promisewas stolen from him and how he personally
modified Promise whilst while being you know, research director of a joint venture of

(01:35:47):
the Cabinston Indian Tribe through Wagen Hutquote we kinda shoot or revealed that part
of his job and the modification ofthe software had been to create a backdoor
access for spying into the files ofits users. These users included Great Britain,
South Korea, Japan, Jordan,Canada, Israel, Egypt, and

(01:36:13):
Iraq. Holy shit, Bill Hamiltontally the figure at as many as eighty
eight countries for use in such activitiesas the tracking of terrorists. According to
Rikanashudo, Attorney General Edwin mess hadprovided Promise to doctor Earl Bryan and Peter

(01:36:34):
Vidnix from the Department of Justice,who had then supervised the Wagen hut kavasan
project to copy the program. That'sa wild ass shit, it really since
mister stars say eighty eight. It'slike the crazy eighty eight right, I
mean that's okay, it really yeah, yeah right. Kona Shooda was very

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impressed by the functionality of the program. Harry Martin tech journalists tested an Israeli
software package which utilized Promised and marveledits ability to deal with a complete military
structure, meaning the numbers and thedetails. Promise wasn't the only bombshell he
dropped on Hamilton, though. Throughmany phone conversations he talked about the Cabison

(01:37:25):
Wackenhut a venture and production of advancedweaponry like biological weapons and facts which are
fuel air explosives We're gonna shoot.Also had wild claims that there were that
were more difficult to corroborate, thoughsome kind of did. He claimed he
and O'Brien were involved in the OctoberSurprise conspiracy as well as the Nugan Handbank

(01:37:51):
scandal, which involved some very shadypeople. That one has shady shit.
This is interesting because if a figurelike Wick in a shootout is to be
believed, then he has a treasuretrobe of information that appeals to conspiracy theorists,
but also works as a double edgedsword for the rest of the world

(01:38:13):
as they find it hard to believesuch allegations. What do you think have
you heard of those handbank? Notthe not the newgen Hambank, but the
September Surprise October Oh god, lookonly off by one my computer class.
You're looking at the fucking web.Callari the October Surprise. Okay, history,

(01:38:38):
don't laugh. Was that was thatwith Reagan? I'm gonna say yes.
Is that when hostages were released?Yes? Pretty good? Wow?
You you old? You old?That's I'm right, that's true so far.
You're right? I mean, right, doggie? Were they Yeah?

(01:39:00):
Olympians? Oh No, I don'tthink so that much. I don't think
so. It was this conspiracy behindthat was that Reagan had the ability to
get the hostages out, but heheld it until Wow, pretty good after
he became president or during his electionsomething like that. Yeah, to help

(01:39:24):
almost got it. I'm not gonnatell you because it's something for later,
but I did want to mention thatas one of his one of weaken to
shoot those wilder allegations. But likeI said, they also hold merit,
and I mentioned the two that kindof do whole merit on purpose. I'm
moving a web here, guys.But yeah, Jay's basically right. Shut

(01:39:44):
it up, guys. It's prettycrazy. Also, not that long ago
a conspiracy if you if you're worriedabout that, oh god, okay.
By late nineteen ninety, Hamilton hadtold Danny Kasseler all of about Ricona Shooto
Casilera became very intrigued and started lookinginto him. Here's some of what he

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found and what's actually true Abricona Shooter'sbackground. He had demonstrated some technical and
scientific talents. The following was originallypublished in The Village Voice quote Ricono Shooter
was a gifted child. When hewas just ten years old, Michael wired
his parents neighborhoods parents neighborhood with aworking private telephone system that undercut Mabel.

(01:40:30):
That's why he wrote to Mabel tenyears old. Yeah, the ten years
old that was eating worms out ofthe dirt. That's why. That's why
we're pleabs. That's why. Inthe eighth grade he won a science fair
with a model for a three dimensionalsonar system. By the time he was

(01:40:51):
a teenager, he had won somany science first with exhibits of laser technology
that he was invited to be asummer researchers at Stanford University. Doctor Arthur
Shallow, a Nobel laureate, remembershim quote within the quote, you don't
forget a sixteen year old youngster whoshows up his own argon laser unquote unquote

(01:41:17):
both ends. By the way,that's a real unquote. I can't know
how to do this fucking sighting shit. Sorry, getting excited here. Some
time after leaving Stanford University, wecanna shoot a one to work in an
underground newspaper in San Francisco, wherehe had acquired some photos which showed a
narcotics agent having sex with an underagegirl. Oh, this was printed in

(01:41:40):
a newspaper and we can Ishudo saidthat this led him to being framed on
drug charges, which led to atwo year prison sentence in nineteen seventy three
for manufacturing psychedelic drugs. Cassilero didn'tbelieve this though, this whole frame up
thing, and he questioned other claims, but still found his connections to Install

(01:42:00):
to be worth the look. Cassileronever wrote it down, but I and
others, other conspiracy theorists, Imean, and journalists I've gone the impression
that he thought we're gonna SHOOTO tendedto embellish quite a bit. His sentence
was true, to be sure,it is to your sentence, I mean,
and it did affect the later endeavorsfor him. But whether or not

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he was a frame up as wereKessellro doesn't really believe so much. Quote
One excerpt from the eleven page letterreferred to a meeting in May nineteen eighty
one at the US Army installation atDover, New Jersey, between Robert Frye,
vice president of Wackenhut in Indio,Michael Ricinashudo, John P. Nichols,

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which is the Cabiston administrator, PeterZokowski, former president of Armtech in
Indio, which produced conbustible cartridges casesin the Army, and doctor Harry Fair,
the Army's league engineer on the railgunproject at Picatinny Arsenal. Like that
pic Canon noted that Wegna Shudo andseveral army personnel conducted an extensive and highly

(01:43:15):
technical theoretical blackboard exercise on the railgun, and afterwards, doctor Fair commented that
he was extremely impressed with we CannaShudo's scientific and technical knowledge in this matter.
Cannon further wrote doctor Fair had apparentlybeen apprized by Nichols that Riconashuda had
been convicted and served time for stabbinga DEEA agent whom he propotedly caught in

(01:43:43):
bed with Kunashudo's wife. Doctor Fairhad had commented that we Canna Shuda will
probably not be able to ever geta government security clearance because of his past,
but it would be a shame ifwe can Ashudo, whom he termed
a potent national resource, could notbe used for military research projects in his

(01:44:05):
field of expertise. Now, Icouldn't get the arrest report at anything like
that. But my understanding, sincethe majority of this quote comes from doctor
Fair, it's likely that he wastold that we can issue it was charged
for stabbing a federal officer, notthat it was for manufacturing drugs. I

(01:44:27):
do not know why this lie orpotential lie was given to doctor fair to
then have it be written in thisreport that I'm quoting only that I assume
it's either to make we can issuethe more threatening or easier to work than
a drug addict. Who can say, what do you think it is conflicting
evidence? Well, yeah, forsure, I don't know what to think.

(01:44:53):
No, right, I know,But who can say that's had to
be mentioned and that I don't know? Also, it's good to know what
I don't know, right right,Okay, But Casslero thought this was a
shady character, didn't you, Oh, like, you know, an embellisher,
a lace or something like like stokingtoo much? Okay, Again,

(01:45:13):
he doesn't say like that ever,ever, not that I've ever read it
or his friends say about it.I mean, I'm about to say,
right now, let me get tothe next quest. Yeah, I to
absolutely explain something. Cassilero's eyes wereopen when he and Hamilton discussed these connections,
but they were open wider in nineteeneighty one by what Reconnaisuda was saying.

(01:45:34):
For example, a contact of hisby the name of Alan Standorff said
he worked at a secret military electronicslistening post in Virginia and managed to supply
Castelero with classified information regarding the Instockcase. Many stipulate that those papers were

(01:45:55):
among what when missing from his hotelroom when he died. Among the many
papers, Bill Hamilton and Danny Casileroconvinced we can a shootout to tell his
story on the record, which weknow we know by now that he did.
On March twenty first, nineteen ninetyone, he filed a sworn affidavid
on the Inslack case, and itprovides a toe hold for Castilero's research.

(01:46:19):
I'm going to read a good portionof the affidavid, but not all of
it because it's long. Quote IMichael J. Vignaeshudo being duly sworn to
hereby state as follows one. Duringthe early eighties, I served as director
of research for a joint venture betweenthe Wackenhout Corporation of Coral Gables, Florida

(01:46:43):
and the Cabizon Band of Mission Indians, California. In Indio, California.
The joint venture was located on theReservation three. The Cabison Band of Indians
are a sovereign nation. The sovereignimmunity that is accorded to Cabizons as a
consequence of this fact made it feasibleto pursue on the reservation the development and

(01:47:03):
or manufacturer of materials whose development ormanufacturer would be subject to stringent controls off
the reservation. As a minority group, the Cabson Indians also provided the Wakeenhout
Corporation with an enhancedability to obtain federalcontracts through the eight A Set Aside program

(01:47:25):
and in connection with government owned contractoperated facilities. Four. The waken Hut
Cabson Joint Venture was intended to supportthe needs of a number of foreign governments
and forces, including forces and governmentsin Central America and the Middle East.
The contrast in Nicarawa represented one ofthe most important priorities for the joint venture.

(01:47:49):
Five. The Wakenhut Cabison Joint Venturemaintained close liaison with certain elements of
the United States government, including representativesof intelligence, military, and law enforcement
agencies. Six. Among the frequentvisitors of the Wagenhout Tabazon Joint Venture were

(01:48:12):
Peter Videnis of the US Department ofJustice in Washington, d C. And
a close associate of Vidinics by thename of Earl W. Bryan. Brian
is a private businessman who lives inMaryland and who has maintained close business ties
with the US intelligence community for manyyears. Nine. Some of the modifications

(01:48:33):
that I made were specifically designed tofacilitate the implementation of Promise within two agencies
of the Government of Canada, theRoyal Canadian Mounted Police and the Canadian Security
and Intelligence Services. Earl W.Bryan would check with me from time to

(01:48:54):
time to make certain that the workcould be completed in time to satisfy the
schedule for the use Canadian Intelligence Services. Ten. The proprietary versions of Promise
as modified by me, was infact implemented in both the RCNP and the
CSIS in Canada. Those are theacronyms. Sorry, guys, that's the

(01:49:16):
acronym for the agencies I just mentionedthat are long. It was my understanding
that Earl W. Bryant had soldthis version of Promise to the Government of
Canada. Eleven. In February nineteenninety one, I had a telephone conversation
with Peter Windnix, then still employedby the US Department of Justice. Bidden

(01:49:40):
Nicks attempted during this telephone conversation topersuade me not to cooperate with an independent
investigation of the government's piracy of INSLASproprietary promise software being conducted by the Committee
on the Judiciary US House of Representatives. Twelve. Vidinnick stated that I will
be rewarded for a decision not tocooperate with the House Judiciary Committee investigation.

(01:50:05):
With the Nicks forecasted an immediate andfavorable resolution of a protracted child custody dispute
being prosecuted against my wife by herformer husband if I were to decide not
to cooperate with the House Judiciary Committeeinvestigation thirteen. Winnick also outlines specific punishments

(01:50:29):
that I could expect to receive fromthe US Department of Justice if I cooperated
with the House Judiciary Committee's investigation.Those specific punishments was involving Grignnaeshudo and his
father in a criminal prosecution of businessassociates in Orange County, California. Another
punishment Withinicks threatened is perjury by theDOJ, saying that credible witnesses would would

(01:50:56):
come forward to contradict any damaging claimshe would make. Wow, it was
easier to parify the last few partsthere, and you know, and the
ones that I skipped earlier were Basicallythings are covered already on the show,
so let's skip the little thing here. Yeah, within eight days of this
testimony, guess what happened? Hisguests, he's gonna give you a little

(01:51:18):
bit of give you a little bit. Really happened within eight days of this
testimony, this Affidavid, I don'tI don't know. Michael vickinna shooter was
arrested for conspiracy to manufacture, conspiracyto distribute, possession within tent to distribute,

(01:51:38):
and with distribution a total of tencounts related to method vetamin and methadone.
What mm hmm bogus? I thinkbogus or at least partly his claims
of being framed went on deaf years, obviously, and spent the grand majority
of his time as a source forpeople like Cassillaro, Hamilton and Seymour behind

(01:52:00):
bars. It should go without sayingthat this charge damaged his credibility with the
enslack case. Mm hm. Thisis from Seymour quote. For three months,
we can shoot a call daily fromthe Pierce County Jail in Tacoma,
Washington. At his request, Iattach a tape recorder to my phone and

(01:52:23):
unraveled a complicated web of illegal overseasarm shipments, espionage, CIA, drug
trafficking, biological warfare, development,computer software, theft, money laundering,
and corruption at the highest levels ofgovernment. Mm hmm wow. Yeah,

(01:52:46):
like, what do you even say? I don't know what to say,
you know, now? Yeah,I mean the great thing about it is
that, Okay, as I mentionedthis, bar, I didn't write this.
It's not a script. None ofthis isn't the script what I'm about
to say. So every time Imentioned there's a bunch of times in this
show, and in the last showI quoted or have myself have paraphrased versions,

(01:53:11):
paraphrase versions of the information that leadsinto a list of shit of illegal
things. Yeah, this is likemy eighth time probably where I mentioned here,
I just recorded real quick at hisrequest, I attach a tape recorder
to my phone. Right, unravelinga complicated web of illegal overseas here comes
a list army shipments, espionage,CIA, dog trafficking, biological work Where

(01:53:34):
all this stuff that I'm saying,there's like I've said so many different ones
and yet some of them are thesame. And by now I'm hoping that
you're trying to see like, oh, I know that one. I don't
know that one. I know thatone. I don't know that one.
I know that And that's the point. Wow, I'm trying to like get
you. Like it's the first timeI said this in the very first opening

(01:53:56):
of the first show, last show, you have no idea what how is
all this involved? And by nowyou know half of it? That's right,
And that's kind of the point.That's why I keep calling these people
and the way that I'm doing it. Hopefully that's coming across. I'm just
pulling it now because it might betoo subtle anyway, because by now,
you know, say, drug trafficking, Okay, we did mention that earlier.
That could be something biological warfare,well, yeah, the fucking Cabizon

(01:54:20):
thing, computer software, fucking promiseright there, money laundering. We don't
know everything yet, but it wasmentioned, right, so you know things
like that. So it's just amazing, right, I mean, at the
beginning of the show, you hadno idea what half of that ment Now
you know half of it. Soanyway, so that is Michael. We

(01:54:40):
can shoot a section, but hisinfluence on this case is far from over
because of those crazy allegations he madeThere's going to be more from him.
In Part three, between wacken Hutand the Astack case, we covered a
great portion of what Danny Kessler wassearching and researching, and if you believe
if he was murdered, is whateventually led to his death. Unfortunately,

(01:55:05):
at best we're only halfway covering everythingwill actually result in a book or two,
and that's not me. There areprominent names to spill in further details
on the ones that brought up,for sure, but I can't write no
book. So now I've teased howdrugs comes into this earlier, But what's

(01:55:26):
the bigger picture here? Whatever youthink, hopefully is what I get to
do. Two sections were left outof the original outlet. This is to
have a meteor part like a mediaPart three, but also because I need
further understanding to write a better segment. Expect to find some connections to the
Reagan administration, like how Reagan wonthe election, to the Iron Contra scandal.

(01:55:54):
Expect a look into the BCCI scandal, which involved millions of dollars in
many countries. I will also talkabout the lesser reported and strange deaths of
people either involved in the octopus ortrying to expose it. This goes hand
in hand will do with We cannashoot those allegations as well. Lastly,

(01:56:15):
I will be exploring the origins ofthis organization, what people called it before
Danny Cassillro named it, and howmuch deeper it all goes. Join us
again next time for the octopus tendrils.

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