Bonus: Woman Of the Hour Movie Review

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to my world, bitch wore.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Welcome to this bonus episode of the Supernatural Occurrence Studies podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
So Studiously Paranormal.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, and
with me as always.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Is who Oscar spector of course.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Producer extraordinary and podcast co host. Wow, this is crazy.
Two episodes like within two weeks of each other.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Almost, it's almost like we're back to our regular schedule.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
I don't think I can handle it.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, you're right, I don't know if I could either.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, it's this is this is gonna be a something
different for us, A movie review.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Episode, that's right, A bonus if you will.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
M Yes. So we're just coming off of the Rodney
Alkala episode, the Dating Game Killer episode, and we mentioned
in the last episode Rodney Alkala that there was this
new movie coming out that was kind of reigniting this
interest in this horrible, horrible case of the Dating Game Killer.
And we said that if we I think we said that,
if we see the movie, we'll try to do a

(01:36):
quick review of the movie for the show. I believe
we alluded to that.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yes we did, actually sales words, Yes good. I listened
to the episode today and we did say that nights.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
So yeah, so we would like to review The Woman
of the Hour by Anna Kendrick, Yes, her directorial debut debut.
This is going to be a spoiler episode.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Right, We're gonna spoil the movie from the get go
once we start talking about it. Expect to be spoiled
of what happens in the movie. Obviously the real life
is what happened in real life also, but that was
already spoiled in our last episode. Yeah exactly, So, I
mean it's spoilers for real life. Just read a book
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
You basically know how this ends. So that's what we're
gonna talk about. When of the Hour, it was a
I really enjoyed the movie. Now I'm a little nervous
because I'm not a movie review guy, Oscar. That is
one hundred percent year realm. You actually have your own
movie review podcast.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, and I have quite a few cred aentils too
to go along with them.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah. What's the name of that podcast again?

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Oh it's it's called another movie podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Another movie podcast.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, because there's so many of them, so this is
just another podcast. That's that's the stick there.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
And how long have you been producing that podcast.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Oh that podcast is about Oh man, how old is ours?
It's like it's like a little little younger than ours.
I think ours is going six now, six or seven,
so mine is probably five or six, six or seven years.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah. So you've been doing it for for a.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
And longer than that too, because I had an older
show from before our time here another movie review podcasts
before that. So you've been doing it for ten years now.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
There are ten years. Yeah. So yeah, you got some chops.
So this is right in your wheelhouse. Me, it's a
little awkward. I just kind of took notes as I
was watching the movie. I did a little bit additional
research basically about the movie.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
And I mean, you wouldn't be you otherwise. I guess
I think I texted that to you when you told
me I have these X amount of pages of notes.
I'm like, that's you wouldn't be you otherwise, Like I
would think you're an alien if you didn't have notes,
pages of notes.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I yes, that is. I am OCD that way. I
don't know any other way to behave unfortunately correct it
drives my wife crazy on a number of levels. So
so yeah, so I keep saying so yeah, So not
so yeah, So, okay, I'm nervous.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
It's not that it's it's only a little uncharted territory
for you people who have listened to our show. Even
even if you know a lot of it, you hear
a lot of our a'll takes contain a lot of
little reviews of stuff we talk about, our movies and
shows that we watch on our daily lives. So you
are more adept to do this than you think you are.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, let's see how this goes. Yeah, we'll see. So
this is a bonus, a little gift for the holiday
month of December. There actually may be another gift coming
down the line. I don't know. I'm not sure, but
you know me, I love Christmas, So there might be
another little gift coming down the pike. But speaking of gifts,
if you want to support the podcast and give some

(04:35):
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Speaker 2 (04:55):
Wicked and radical. I don't know why is said radical.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
It's okay.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
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(05:22):
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Speaker 3 (05:28):
That's right. And an additional little caveat to that is
that it is a unique gift. This is a brand
new thing we're doing, or we're were starting, so this
will be a unique gift. What if you get this
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advantage now that it is a brand new item, and
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Speaker 2 (05:47):
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Speaker 3 (05:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, no, honesty, that's half the reason I
even chop online is to try to get free shipping.
Otherwise I won't do it something that I won't even
buy something if it's I have to pay for shipping, honestly, exactly,
So I get.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
That, all right. Well, we mentioned whiskey glasses as our merch.
We do have a bottle of whiskey here that I
would like to open and try see what you think.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Is it a ry?

Speaker 2 (06:11):
It is a ry? Straight?

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Why I think you know?

Speaker 2 (06:16):
So we know it's gonna be a little bit spicy.
It's gonna be a little bit hot, most likely. But
this is fiddler toasted. This is six ter aged double
barrel casks strength cask strength toast medium toast char level three. Uh,
this is fifty four point seven proofs. So this is

(06:39):
this is a nice and and it's by Aws Distillery.
And I picked this up in Georgia when we were
traveling south. I stopped at a liquor store.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Was it on your mind, George On, Yes, it was.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
This whiskey bottle has been on my mind. Let me
tell you. So I had to turn on my phone lights.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Half the TV shows and i'm are filmed in Georgia.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, they are right walking dead.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
That's that's totally half of the man.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
So this is I mean, the color is it's a
wonderful carmely color.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, I do you like the color? It looks a
little runnier than I would expect them, but it's we'll see.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
We'll see how that finishes. So I'm popping this now.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
For some reason, I like I like booze or bourbon
or in this case ry that looks a syrupy, like
a syrupy ooh as it goes sound like a syrupy
kind of texture. I love that. I don't know why
I like that as a as a body and as
a look, but I like that. I'm trying to get
that as mr a bit in here. You should just

(07:42):
do asmrre. Can you imagine? Oh yeah, oh low key
looks like some sort of blood or something.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Swish, pour this out. I just dripped some of my wapon.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Lick you that bitch.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Mm yeah, let's see for what one hundred and was
it one hundred and nine something. It's easy on the nose.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
I don't know about that, but it's not as hard
as I thought it would be.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
I smell. Do you smell vanilla?

Speaker 3 (08:21):
I don't know. I smell booth.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
I have one hundred percent more vanilla. We didn't Cheers
you animal, Happy holidays.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Happy holidays. Yeah, I don't keep me warm.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, vanilla for sure. Caramel, oak, oh yeah, tree, I
totally taste tree, a lot of oak.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
I don't know shadow.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
What is on.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
My palate is as zero.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Take no sip and think of eating a fresh raspberry.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
I can't think of a faster.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Vanilla caramel raspberry, pretty heavy oak. That's wonderful. That's great.
I like it.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
I feel like going down like warming it.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Am I crazy with what I'm tasting?

Speaker 3 (09:28):
I think you are? But no, you know, I don't
think you're crazy. I just I just have no taste,
like I have no buds at all. No, I I'm
so bad at this.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
I'm still learning. I'm trying to pick up more.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
I don't know how you can learn this. This is
how off my wheel, it is off my something.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, I swear to taste raspberry.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
I mean I like that keeping me warm.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
You know.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
I don't love rye, but it's it's it's work. I'll
work it, I'll drink it.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
I'm big. I'm a big fan of ry I know.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Dotriment.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
So that's my Fiddler toasted. I hope you like it. Yeah, listeners,
I would highly recommend it. Oscar. Could we take a
break and then come back and talk about this film
and spoil this film? Yes, let's do that, Listeners, welcome

(10:43):
back to the show. Well, the lights are turned down low,
the ceremonial candle is lit and the fiddler toasted is flowing. Wow,
let's start this spoiler show. I do want to mention
I should have mentioned this at the top of the
sho sho oscar that our recording space and I'm doing

(11:03):
these dramatic can't effects the space.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
He's basically doing jazz hands has hands.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
All this space is different. So I don't know if
there's gonna be some echoes. My hot water heater dumped
two weeks ago, and the shut off valve for the
incoming water the hot water tank was rusted open, so
that fucking water was running for well over an hour
down here.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Flooded the shit out of my basement, so all the
carpet has gone, Paneling is off the walls. You know,
there's a lot of in other words, reflecting surfaces, reverberating surfaces.
I don't know what's the word, but I like that.
I don't know if this is gonna sound a little
bit different. Even our tables different. The cloths I used
to cover everything to dampen any echo, I don't even

(11:50):
know where the fuck they are. The people who came
and cleaned up, moved everything all the closets. I have
no doors my laundry room. We're gonna hear the hot
water tank. We might hear the furnace. We're gonna so
apologies in advance, but we're making do with what we have.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yep, Okay, what we gotta do.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I just wanted to get that out of the way.
That's my OCD. I'm always chasing the dragon. Oscar and
my heroin is the perfect sound.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Do you have no idea, folks, what I have to
do with.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I'm like I do I put you through Hell?

Speaker 3 (12:20):
I probably no, You're fine, You're good.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
I'm like Johnny Depp and from Hell, chasing that dragon,
the Opium den my dragon.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
I just started reading the graphic novel. Oh wow, that
inspired I think it was inspired by the movie or
vice versa. I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Interesting, great movie. I really like that movie.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
I haven't seen it all the time, but I think
it still holds up. I'm not sure though it's been
a while. I did recently be watching another giant that
movie that also holds up. The book One Secret Window,
Ninth Gate, Ninth Gate, Oh Secret Window. That's another book.
One You're right, that's and also Johnny Depp. You're not wrong.
I mean you technically nailed it because he had two
movies where he's like a writer or something. But in

(12:59):
the ninth Kate, he's not writer. He's a book investigator
and he's like a piece of shit and he's like
people go to the Devil's Book by Satan himself.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
You know what I think? I do? Remember like in
that movie, that movie.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Slaves, that's beliepun dope even though it was made by
a creeper and Johnny Polsky, that was Polanski. Ye, I
was a Planski movie. Wow, lives in France where he
would be say where he's okay to be very interesting.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Now I have to watch it again with Roman Polanski, and.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
There's a connection to Roman Polanski and this movie we're
gonna talk about. Yes there is, so I kind of
turned it there, Yes there is. You did bringing it back,
bringing it back.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Because okay, oh I'm nervous. All right, So again this
is your wheelhouse. What I did. I watched the movie,
I jotted some notes, and then I took all those notes,
I did some research and I kind of put them
into different three different categories. The first category for me
was general thoughts, slash facts, okay, and it's the dating

(13:59):
game because that's a that's what this is about, the
dating game killer. So there's a big lot going on
with the dating game scenes in this film, and then
the victim's portrayed because that's not true to life, right,
So I guess So that's how I broke it down.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Okay, And that's roughly the order you want to talk about. Yeah, whatever, No,
that works for me. I'm fine either way. You could
lead the charge.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
This is your this is your kind of thing, Okay,
but again spoilers. How about we did you like the movie?
Did you like the movie?

Speaker 3 (14:29):
That's definitely the first question I was gonna say, like,
what are your first impressions of the movie. That's usually
how I start, okay, because hopefully the intention of that
kind of question is that it opens up avenues to
talk about details that we want to talk about. That's
how conversations start because I kind of do it organically.
I don't really write notes. I have some, but you know,
my thoughts on this movie first impressions, and really the

(14:50):
overall standing impressions is I've seen it twice now. One
of the Hour is an excellent film. I love this movie.
I was so surprised by how much I love this movie,
Like beyond the fact that it's a directorial debut of
someone not just an actress that's famous, but anyone, you know,
the fact that it's a directorial debut. And also it's

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a genre that's usually mired in so much shit, Like
usually this genre sucks, you know, true life depictions of
serial killers are usually terrible. And if you think of, oh,
what about Hannibal Lecter, that's a fake, that's all fictional,
Like that's not a real serial killer that's trying to
depict And a movie like Zodiac or far in few between,

(15:33):
like a good one good movie. I mean there are
far and few between. There's not that many good ones.
People can't break Hollywood cannot break into a good rhythm
with a serial killer horror movie or a true a biography,
a true life one right, a true lifelin bad a
biography or biopic or whatever period piece. This one nails it.
This one nails it nails it by understanding the core

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fundamental nature of serial killing, at least this particular serial killer,
and goes into not just a killer, but the victims,
and just as importantly, one particular almost victim and makes
those like the headliners, and I think it works. This
movie really works. What did you think of the movies?

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Well, I mean, first of all, well said, I mean,
this is why you do movie reviews. Listeners definitely check
out another movie podcast and support Oscar.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Although there are two idiots, I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Because he just has phenomenal insight on films. So I
as well. I love the movie. I really enjoyed this
movie as a thriller, as a quasi true crime. Yeah,
and I say quasi because it's not all actual. There's
a lot of made up stuff as well. However, you know,
I really tried to watch the movie without and a
Kendrick tinged glasses because we talked about this on the

(16:52):
last show. I love that Kendrick.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yes, you have a heart on for her?

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yes, that is my is it?

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Because the height as her yeah, shoulder stuff, I think.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Oh, imagine that. I know there could be you know,
so she's my celebrity freebie. My wife is well aware
of that. She busts my balls all the time. So
I tried not to think of Annie Kendy. That's what
I call it.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
That's so funny.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Annie Kendy making this movie. So besides all that I
thought it was, it was very well done. It kept
you at the edge of your seat. It really made
you feel for this character that Anna Kendrick portrayed, Cheryl Bradshaw,
really made you feel for her. You were rooting for her.
When she flips scripts, which we'll get into, you're like, fuck, yeah, girl,

(17:33):
you know, throw that shit on its head.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I was so happy that she nailed us. Like, I'm
not a big Anna Cander effect like you like, I
like Pitch Perfect. Sure they're fine. I like I, you know,
Scott Pilgrim, but she's not. She's a bit carry yeah yeah,
which is a great movie for me, but it's not
like a pick thing for her. I can't think of others,
but there's others, and.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
I think Into the Woods is the one that got
me into it.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
I never saw that.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
You never.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
I haven't seen it yet anyway, it's because I hate
Rob Marshall, but that's my opinion anyway. And I was
so happy she nailed it. I was like, dude, girl,
I was I was like I was doing this and
like yeah, like this bumping nothing, you know, just too
happy because I was like this is so good.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
I gotta tell you, I haven't. I haven't seen a
bad review, have you.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
No, But I haven't been looking for him either.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
But Okay, when it first came out, because we're recording this,
I'm maybe a month since I've seen the film.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, it's been about a months since their release.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
And that was right when it came out because we
finished recording the Alcohala episode the same week that.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yes, that's right when the hours going Tomember out.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
But we had to get together and record, so so
it's been a while for me. When it was first
released back in October.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Shit October we it was October eighteenth.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Good good, you're right the episode today? So yeah, good,
remember October eighteenth. So around that time I was looking
for reviews, looking at the peoples one was bad. Now,
granted I haven't looked since a month later, month and
a half later, so maybe that's changed.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
But what I usually, if I'm not sure in my
opinion on a movie, or like I feel like there's
things in it that I'll maybe I can glean from
a review or other reviewers or people in general online,
I do look for it. But in this one, I
was so sure I did not need any other opinions. I
didn't even need opinions to strengthen the what I already
thought about it. That's how sure I was about this movie.
I didn't look up any reviews.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Wow, that tells you, and that's pretty.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Rare on the same for a movie that happens maybe
a few times a year. But this is one of those.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
This is good, Okay, I look where this is going.
This is awesome. Okay.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
I thought about one of my favorite things about this movie.
Please like already. It's the title. I love that it's
not called the Dating Game Killer.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
That's what I named our episode.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
No, I don't know, well yeah, no, yeah, you're good there.
But Women of the Hour. It completely takes the power
away from that asshole and not make it makes it
not about him.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
I like. I like that you mentioned that, Yeah, taking
the power away from this asshole.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
A lot of this movie is devoted to showing vicxacts,
vague victims, and also what it could look like to
take away that power and that one particular scene in
the movie that we're going to talk about, and it
just it works beautifully. A title that really sells it.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
I've never even made that connection.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Instead of the title being the guy. It's the title
has a woman in the title, Woman of the Hour.
It's you know, it's that, you know, killer of Women
or the Data Game Killer, which it's that the typical
title you would go for.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
That is that's very insightful. I didn't even think about
the title of the movie. I didn't even think to
put my mind into figuring out why she would call
it that. For example, never even never even occurred to
me to dory that.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
So that's it does sound like a weird title when
you think, I was like, oh, this is about the
Data Game Killer.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
How is it about this rotten fuck that we covered,
you know, killing all these people? No, it's, yeah, taking
away his power. I think I think that you did
that in a few ways. I mean the guy who
played and I have his name, hope I don't have
it later down in my notes. The guy who played
Rodney Alkohla. Now we know from last episode that he
was nineteen seventies, handsome, handsome. That's what disarmed a lot

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of these women is that he was good looking for
the time. Now he's a fucking goofball, but back then
he was.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
I mean, looks can get you a long way even
today still of course.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Oh absolutely, So to make the character be sort of
this overweight, I want to say, I want to say,
I remember his face having almost acting in areas.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, I think a couple of scenes.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Right, long, greasy hair not fit.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
All he did was driver on the country. He wasn't
like running or exercising or whatever, you know, right, Yeah,
I'm not saying he was a shlub, but he was
almost a slub you mean in real life? No, and
I mean that yeah, in the movie, in the movie.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
In the movie donimal slub. Yeah, that's a good name.
He's like a schlub in the movie, like, yeah, but
he's not this kind of muscular, athletic cancer No, definitely
not that definitely taking away his charm, charisma power. So
that's that was great.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah, But also like this movie also does highlight his trump,
how he wheels into scenarios, and it does a good
job of kind of showing both of those things. Ultimately,
what it's really showing in this movie is showing a
man Rodney Alcala being the extreme version of what every
woman on the planet fears and has had to deal with.

(22:37):
Every woman you'll ever meet, everyone your mom, your aunt,
your girlfriend, your wife, your sister has and will have
you know, not like dangerous things like this, but will
have incidents that will be akin to what this movie
is showing you.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Like.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
This movie doesn't just show the extreme version of what
a man can do in Rodney Alcala, which is the
main character, of course, but it also shows The movie
has many instances of little microaggressions, micro infractions, things that
happen on a daily basis, from the host touching her
hair when unprompted and the dressing room, and early on
in the movie, from the way he dismisses and ignores

(23:22):
her answers, doesn't listen to her because he doesn't give
a shit about what she has to say. That's just
the host itself. And there's many other instances this movie shows.
Some of them are shown out of a place of ignorance.
Some of them are shown men trying to do something good,
not knowing that they're doing something bad, and most of
them are just ignorant assholes. They're just assholes. And this

(23:44):
is the thing is showing you that every woman goes
through this. Everyone has had to deal with hassle in
some fashion. Obviously, some extremes and Rodney Alkoala being like
the worst, the worst kind, the worst possible scenario. Right,
that's the worst possible scenario. He's the reason why Pete
women choose the bear. You know, so you don't you

(24:06):
don't go online much. There was this thing earlier in
the year where people were saying, like to women, there
was like a question, ladies, if you were suck in
the woods, would you rather be stuck in the woods
with a man or with a bear? And everyone, every
woman online was saying the bear because the man will
molest me. And that's the point.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
That is sad.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
But in many ways, ran Alcohol it is both the
bear and the man. He's he's that extreme because he
is that extreme, he's a rapist and a murderer. So yeah,
but yeah, he's the worst case scenario. But that's the
point is that they have to think of that, and
the movie highlights those things.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Well said again, well said, don't come back. That was great,
did you know? So yeah, we so we both obviously
really enjoyed film for a lot of the same reasons. Okay,
I guess a little factoid, please hear me and kend
it hasn't made any money from this film. She did
an interview on October twenty fifth on a podcast. I'm

(25:07):
not going to say the name. She donated a competition, right,
she donated all the proceeds at least up until that
point to the Rape Abuse and Incest National Network ater
words RAIN and the National Center for Victims of Crime.
That's good, he's even more. I put her up in

(25:28):
even a higher pedestal.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Now, yeah, I mean, I think I'm not cauter to
her now actually because of this movie, honestly.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
So one thing, how about something that bothered me about
the film? Yeah, please, let's talk about that. It bothered
me that it's and I understand you're only given a
certain amount of time for a film, and certain things
are left on the cutting room floor, right, the old
adage left on the cutting room floor. This movie is
just a snapshot. Listeners, you got to understand, this is

(25:58):
just a snapshot. If you want like a biopic on
Rodney Alcola, this isn't it, right, This isn't it.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
And it's not trying to be either, yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Right, which I didn't know going in. So if you're
looking for something that covers everything about Rodney Alcola, all
his crimes.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
I would recommend documentaries, documentary.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, this isn't it. This isn't it. If you remember
from our Dating Game Killer episode, we said that Alkalo
was an active serial killer from nineteen sixty eight to
seventy nine. But the movie only really focuses on the
years nineteen seventy seven and especially nineteen seventy eight, the
year Alcala and Shoe Bradshaw.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Met on the Dating Game.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
So a lot of the story is missing from the movie.
It's skips a lot of his heinous crimes. For example,
there's no mention of little Tally Shapiro, believed.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
To be no actually purposely skips all little girls. Yeah
you're not gonna yeah, right, and I just attack on women.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
So Tali Shapiro, if you remember, that's believed to be
his first.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Victims victim, even though we said, I think you said
on the show that he was too practice, like he's
done this before. We just didn't know about it, right,
and we still don't know, right.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
So yeah, no mention in Tali Shapiro his first victim.
No mention of Robin Samso his last victim. I just
guess I found that just to be a little shocking
because those two murders were the victims. The children show
how truly monstrous and depraved this sub human fuck really was.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, no, no, you're right, it is. It isn't there.
And the second time I saw it, which was today
in preparation for the show, I realized that's the first
time I came to that realization that like, wait, yeah,
there were little girls involved too, And I was like,
I did a question, like why why it wasn't in
the film, And of course the answer is really easy,

(27:45):
is because it does attract. Well, first of all, there
are I'm sure there are levels to what a monster
can be or can do you know a prad person
enough to call him a monster? And I think that
Ana Hendrick was fine not making that distinction worse because
he's a monster already well shown in my opinion, because

(28:07):
it opens with him murdering somebody. The movie I want
to talk about, Yeah, that was really that was cool,
not cool, but like well shot, I mean anyway, And
I think that putting in the children, you know, the
little girls, would have detracted from the overall message of
what's happening two women around this time period and in general,

(28:29):
and I think it would. I think it would stract
too much from that, it would pull the focus away.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
How about a blurb at the end, because they had
some writing and I don't remember what exactly put what
up on screen. Maybe I should have screenshot there taken it.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
I didn't mention the girls anyway, but it didn't like
I could have put something in there.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, to show the depravity this guy was willing to
go to, and kind of to honor those victims too,
I think given them that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
I mean, you're right about the honor thing. That's the
one thing the movie doesn't particularly show. It does honor
what is showing the woman that is showing enough to
mention Cheryl and Amy, who is not the name of
that person that actually escaped, but either way, that same victim.
It does highlight them, for sure, but it doesn't honor
the other victims that are not shown. And you're right,
maybe that's something that is missing from the movie that

(29:12):
I would say, Yeah, it could have been cool to
see that. However, it does the movie I think encourages
you more than anything to look this up on yourself too,
because it doesn't. It really doesn't. I don't say care
that sounds callous but it doesn't. It doesn't mind not
having to show everything, and certainly cutting off those things
was important for keeping the focus. This movie is a

(29:33):
tight ninety minutes too, which is a really cool thing
because a lot of movies are too too long, and
it was a welcome sight to see a ninety minute,
you know, freshly cut movie like this and it kept
going time. Yeah, it kept you going. I think it
would I said it would have. It would have. It
would have kind of thrown the rhythm off if they
showed too much of more more things that we want. Yeah,

(29:54):
that's my opinion. I don't know what she thinks, but no, no,
and yeah you.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Met the first opening, I thought it was interesting how
Woman of the Hour opens with the murder of the
last victim identified. So that's the murder of Christine Thornton,
who Alkala killed in nineteen seventy seven in Wyoming. And
we talked about this at the very end of the
last episode. She was pregnant. That was the pregnant one.

(30:22):
Oh yes, I remember that was linked to Alkala much
later in twenty fifteen. So he killed her in seventy seven.
She was identified in twenty fifteen, and it happened through
that trove of photos that were published online. Yeah, I
left a link in the old episode. I remember last episode,
so listeners go check that out. So that's how she

(30:42):
was identified. Her sister identified her. So I just thought
that was interesting. With the last person identified is what
they opened the movie with.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
That's cool. I don't know how intentional that is, but
as a cool that's a nifty fact. Actually I didn't.
I did not pick that up on it at all.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
But yeah, another thing I jotted here just about victims
and stuff. She doesn't get into blood and gore. This
isn't a gory.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Film, not at all. This is gory, and that opening
does too. That's horrifying because the movie is still horrifying.
Is that it kind of shows how we like, how
we established dominance. That opening thing is, it's all him
establishing that dominance. You see him and the way he

(31:23):
plays with her. He lets her realize what situation she's
in before he attacks. He's fucking with her like it's
it's like it's like when you see a cat playing
with the mouth before he eats it. It's exactly like that,
Like he's making her like he kind of like approaches
her weirdly, and she's like like, what the hell do
you want to smile it away? Like he's letting that
linger to make her feel the dread and the horror

(31:45):
instead of just attacking her, which could have been a
maybe give her take mercy if you just attack her
right and me chokes her out, wakes her up, like,
gives her CPR. And that's this, that's the dominance. That's
what the opening is doing.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yes, and that's his that's his m I mean, that's
right out of them. The crime mentals horrifying.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
And but they don't have to show gores my point,
they don't have to show the actual raping. They don't
have to show it's not clock recrans, you know, and
no singing in the rain right way, and it feels
like it doesn't need it either.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
And it also kept their dignity.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
I think also that yeah, you're right, it does do that.
I didn't think about you.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Right m h if my next bullet point here, Pete
Holmes is in it. Pete Holmes's neighbor, so you know
I've met Pete Holmes. Dave od Black who used to
be on this podcast. He helped literally help launch Pete
Holmes career. So at one of those comedy shows that
that Dave Black was given that Pete Holmes was that

(32:43):
way back in the day, I got to meet him
and shake his hand so I could say I know him.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
He's funny.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Point he's he's hilarious. Huh. I think Pete Holmes is hilarious.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
I love his last special last two specials are so funny.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
I love him when he talks about like molecules and.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Oh my god, so funny face of my favorite pits.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
So I was Pete homes But what was his point?
What was the point of his character?

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Why he's the friend zone component?

Speaker 2 (33:06):
He wasn't friend zone because she slept with him.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
She tried to friend zone them. He well, that's the point.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
That talk about that because I didn't understand this. Why
did even this?

Speaker 3 (33:16):
I may not have full grass spot because I I
don't know what it's like to be Anna Kendrick in
that situation. But you know their buddies, you know, right
and established so in early on in the movie, she
has no one else to talk to. He's kind of
a lifeline and on top of that, he is a
man ideally that is safeguarding her in public anyway when

(33:40):
they hang out in bars and restaurants, because she wouldn't
go out otherwise. Okay, not because she doesn't date, but
because she doesn't date, and she's kind of shy. You know,
she's new to this town. She's not from.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Hollywood, right, And of course it's.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Manic Hendrew's character. I'm sorry, And so that's the establishing part.
So when it becomes something where he hits on her
and becomes obvious, tries to kiss her, and she like oh,
is both surprised and not interested try That's why she
tries to friends on him. And then his reaction of
just like staring into nothing, into the bar kind of

(34:14):
like not like Matt stands, but like not sturb that's
not the right word. He's like bothered kind of look
he does like a classic like like like like a
shame mixed with kind of like a little bit of
anger and frustration for her denying him, you know, like
manly look. She relents and kind of like sleeps with

(34:36):
him to kind of get past it, you know. But
the worst part about that, we find out it was
only shown at the end of the movie, is that
the worst part about that is that he stops calling her.
They don't hang out anymore, they don't see any more
scenes with him, You don't see her talking the phone
with him anymore because he gets all that could be said,
that that's all he wanted, or you know, he feels

(34:57):
like he's not attracted to her anymore because he has
already conquered right and no longer has any use of her,
which is objectification. It's a lot of problems there with
friend zoning and having sex with that kind of thing,
and people and men get over.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Object I mean, you said it right there.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Objectification plays right into this whole movie, Yes, this whole movie,
and the dating just that kind of doucheback. He's kind
of reminds me of Bill not Bill Burr. What's his name,
that other comedian. I'm sorry, it's from Promising Young Woman.
Ever seen that movie? Oh man. He reminds me that
there's another comedian, a famous comedian that plays like not

(35:32):
the not a schlubby friend zoned but like the boyfriend,
but kind of like not a problem guy, but very
close to a problem guy, you know, and reminds even
the same kind of character. Anyway, it doesn't matter, but
that's who he is. In the movie. He's that kind
of guy.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
So I didn't even pick up on the one and
done aspect here because you're right. But you're right because
you don't see him, you don't hear from him. We
don't after they.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Bank, and that look they give when she's leaving and
he's coming into his apartment, that look of like shame
and like awkwardness is displaying the fact that he was
never trying to be her friend. He wanted to fuck her,
and once he did, he stopped calling. That's what it's
telling you. He's not saying it, but it's telling you that.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
D okay, good, okay. So yeah, but Pete Holmes picked
up on Peter.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
There's actually no guy here that helps.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah. No, they do mention in an exchange between Anna
Kendrick and Pete Holmes. Between Sheryl Bradshaw and Pete Holmes character,
you got to stop doing that took They mentioned a
director firing a gun on set.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
No, I forgot that of him.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
And said we had to leave set because the director
fired a gun. And for the life of me, I
swore I remember hearing the story about Stanley Kubrick firing
a gun on set to startle an actor actress to
get the reaction he wanted.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
That sounds like him.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
But man, I researched that high and low, and I
couldn't find a reference to Kubrick fireing a gun. But
I know that's ripped right out of some Hollywood story.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
I wonder, you know, and Anak Hendrick being in Hollywood
for over ten twenty years now, maybe it's something that
she did her here through the grapevine of people she
knows in Hollywood and maybe put down the story for
fanzis or it's a combination of things, you know, Like
it's not an accident that the movie mentions that story
and mentions above all Roman Polanski in the movie because

(37:20):
he's also well.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
It was Polanski. I didn't even think to look if.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
It was Polanski that shot the thing, but I know
that mentioning him in this movie for this kind of
movie about men taking advantage of women is exactly why
woman Polanski is not allowed in this country anymore. Like
there's a right because Alkala mentions it to him, to
the stewardess that he breaks into all the apartment thing,
mentions it to her and apparently it was true that

(37:45):
he did a class with them.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
But that's what they say.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, that's what they say. And he talks about Repulsion
like being one of those movies, not about Rosemary's Baby,
but Repulsion. Famously, it's a great movie. I love that movie.
It's a great psychological thriller about a woman going insane
because of trauma happened from her father. Oh so yeah,
so very neat connections here.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Wow, you're right, I didn't very astute.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
I love that movie.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Daniel Zovato, that's who plays Rodney Alcola. Yeah, that's the
guy's name.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
What do you think of his performance?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was good.
I thought it was fine, especially the parking lot scene,
which we'll get into. I mean, yeah, fucking terrifying. That
could have been Jason Vorhees, you know, eliciting the same
visceral feel to her Jason Vorhees gives to us moviegoers.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah, this is the reason why women don't go out
at night head long.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah, just really quickly, I looked up Zavado. He was
in The Pope's Exorcist, which we actually talked about in
our Exorcism episodes. There's a little connection there. He was
in Agents of Shield Station eleven something called Revenge.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Oh my god, you just reminded me Station eleven. I
love that mini series. I forgot he was in it.
He was the crazy like cult leader terrorist. Oh that's
so cool. I forgot it was good in that. Yeah,
I just forgot him.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Some pretty big things.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
That's crazy, all right.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
So something that I wrote down here that was a
big plot point in the movie and I'm still getting
kind of my general thoughts and facts section. Pretty big
plot point in the movie that didn't happen in real
life has to do with that woman named Laura. Now,
she's the one that goes to the live taping of
the dating game and she actually sees Alcoala. Yeah, then

(39:32):
she proceeds to have this panic attack and she storms out,
she knocks over a camera or whatever it was. We
then see a flashback of Laura and her friend Alison
encountering Alcoala on a beach. Then it flashes to the
next day and Alison has found murdered.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Right.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
The movie really it leads in leans into this whole
Laura thing, and.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
It also jumps time with these flashbacks and stuff.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
It does, but any of that stuff with Laura never happened, right.
I've read that Anna Kendrick used that character of Laura
as a stand in and composite for all the people
who tried to report Alcala over the years. Yes, and
shit happened.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Nothing happened, right, because that girl Laura, she goes to
that she wants to talk to the security guard and
then go to the police later on.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, but then like one of the producers or whatever,
Oh yeah, I'll give you the security guard, and it
gives her the fucking janitor.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yeah. Well, it gives her like a nothing like enough, nobody, no.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
One who can help, so that that never happened. Yeah,
but man, it was a fucking cool scene, right.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
And you know, you equal parts in that scene, which
is very hard to watch, kind of cringey thing when
she's talking to the security guard, you know, like, you know,
I was a little frustrated, and I think you're supposed
to feel frustrated too, especially maybe if you're a guy.
I'm not sure, frustrated by the way she's kind of
coming across. I'm like, just tell him that you need
to call the police and be more direct. Why but

(40:57):
she is having a traumatic reaction to see him and
it's like going through her and filtering through her. These
are very emotional kind of like frails, frustrating, like padnic
attack she was having, you know, so like this is
the best she could do, the fact that she could
be up there talking to the security guard alone is
already kind of a feat in itself. And that's that's

(41:19):
where you're supposed to take or think about too, because yes,
I was also frustrated, like, dude, just tell tell him
there is a killer there, give the descriptions to the police.
We need to call them now because he's here right now.
And she doesn't say it that way, of course, doesn't
come across that way, not that it's her fault that
she gets pranked on, but you know, it sucks. But yeah,

(41:40):
that frustration slash equal parts. Yeah, it must be what
she's feeling going through and emotionally it's hard for her
to even say anything. Yeah, right, So love to hate
that saying. I hate to love that saying. That's one
of those kind of things.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Well, the other thing, you know, that horror, the whole
Laura scene with her friend Allison being found murdered. They
met him on a beach, right, they show they show
the two women meeting alcohol on the beach. Of course,
the beach is where he yeah, Alcoala met Robin, Samso
and Wolvert the other girl. Hear SAMSO's last SAMSO's friend's

(42:17):
last name was Wolvert. I believe she's she gave the sketch.
She gave the sketch of Okola. So that kind of
ties in.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
There's a little right, the beat not in name, but
it's in the the in facts, like it uses the facts, right,
but not the same characters. Yes, I get it.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
They showed him working as a photographer for a newspaper,
Yes they do. This is kind of true. He did
work for the La Times in nineteen seventy nine, but
as a type setter, not a photographer. He would have ranged.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
He also looked like he was just showing off his
photos more than like pitching, you know what I'm saying.
Like it wasn't official, It wasn't a meeting, you know,
it wasn't an editorial meeting. No, so like it could
be anything. He could have been teche setting and just
showing off.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Yeah, he was a type not a photographer. Nothing cool
like a photographer. Right, he would just lay shit out
on a page right. Also, like I was like, oh yeah,
I got paid five hundred dollars for that. I she
got paid for that picture. Like some won't page you.
Like it's like they don't even believe him a little bit,
Like they do.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I think he's a punchline on.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Yeah they do. Yeah, good, Yeah, the dating game. We're
getting into the game. Okay, do you want to get
to the most fictionalized part of the whole movie.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
It is pretty fictional.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Because of Laura, but also because of what doesn't happen
in real life.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Right, so yeah, right, but Laura, Laura, we said, went
to go see it as an audience member, freaked out.
Never happened. The host ed Burke was his name in
the movie. In real life he was Jim Lang, and
he's portrayed as this sleazy, gross chauvinist.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
They could change the name because they maybe his familiar
didn't want to give them up. I didn't want to
give it.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Right, Yeah, because he did a lot of game shows
back then. I'm sure in the seventy Yeah, he looked
like the pro. So, yeah, he's this gross, just kind
of sleazy guy. He tells Cheryl Bradshaw as as this contestant. Right,
the woman to look dumb and ditsie, So he tells
her look dumb and ditsie. He tells her not to laugh,
I'm sorry, he tells her laugh a lot.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yeah, laugh and laugh a lot. Also like don't get
too smart.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
He tells her, don't look too so, don't appear to
be too smart. And right he makes her where that.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Really and he's like men of babies?

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Right.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
I love how fucking Cheryl takes that back to him
later on because she loves that so much. Was so
well timed.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yeah, listener, she she flips the so good she was
being cued by this sleazy show host to be dumb giggle.
You know, her tits are hanging out of her dress, almost.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
A vacuous, obed person. Yeah that's it.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yeah, right, nonsense, But she flips that script, you know.
But you know the way Burke is behaving, the way
he treats her, it's really, I think indicative of how
Hollywood thinks about women and how Alcohola thinks about them too.
It's like Alcohola, Ed Burke and Hollywood itself are the

(45:02):
same side of the coin. Yeah then, and now, like
you said earlier, I mean.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
In no way, it's not happening still. I mean, we
hear about it. We have a lot of political upperheaple
about that. I mean recently, the most famous horrible thing
I've been hearing about people that are objectified women and
are kind of used to it and like it. They say,
you're body my choice, right, that's like the deleateest thing.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yeah, so awful.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
I'm so glad they burned this house down, Like.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
It's horrifying, and you got your Weinstein's You're didn't parties, Yeah,
of course.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
So yeah, it doesn't stop. It's better, for sure, but
it doesn't stop. It's definitely better. The more aware is
always better. But like we get past awareness and find
solutions now, and a bullet is a but I would
say that it's why I do agree with what you
were saying about the Hollywood, and I'll call it be
part of the same coin. I would say, replace Hollywood
with men in general because of the I'm not saying everyone,

(45:53):
of course, not everybody, of course, but definitely this movie
does such a great and delicate job of showing you
different types of men, both well meaning and not in
the variations of how that could affect negatively. For a woman,
not just on our day to day, but to something
serious like this, like Laura's boyfriend, a well meaning guy.

(46:16):
He comes back the next ding and apologizes with roses,
probably understand the police station. But it took him a night,
you know what I'm saying. The first pass of ignorance,
the first mistake he did was maybe too much already.
It was enough to make alcohola leave and not get
cause that, you know what I'm saying, Like every affected things.
Like he was well meaning. He was probably the best

(46:37):
guy in the movie. And he still fought up right.
He didn't believe his girlfriend. He just didn't believe her,
did not trust what she was feeling.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Again, he came back. I still I kind of like
the guy still, you know, but like he came back,
he apologies, he understood it, but it took him a day,
you know, and that sucked. And he was the best.
So there were others, you know, so many variations that
we talked about. That comedian guy. We talked about the
whole to his like a garment, unashamed but an asshole.
He probably wouldn't No, I don't know what you do.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Actually, that's well, that's why it was so great to
see Cheryl flip the script character of Cheryl because this
didn't happen in real life, but on the movie. In
the movie, Cheryl flipped that script and she became this empowered, sarcastic,
intelligent contestant, the exact opposite of what the host ed

(47:26):
Burke wanted her to be, which pissed off the host
and even I don't know if you caught it, but
he calls her a cunt. I was like, oh, no,
you did? You know? You know the whole segment where
Cheryl flips that script and really goes after the contestants
and the host. Oh yeah, But again in real life,
that did not happen. She she followed the script. In

(47:48):
real life, she played the ditzy blonde on the show.
Now in an article I read, Anna Kendrick said this
scene was a chance to flip the sexist culture of
the dating game is the country in the seventies on
its head and give the power to the women for
a change, even if it was just for a brief
moment in time.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Yeah, and it worked, and.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
It did work. It was very satisfying way, it.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Was very satisfying. I love the hairdressers also being really
satisfied by her and telling her to well, telling her,
you know, not knowing who you is, but three you know,
picked up. They're contestant.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
She was so happy for her and they were all
happy for her and giving the advice. You know, the
best line of that movie, give her take at least
the line that's more blatantly obvious as to what it's
what the movie's trying to say about women and what's
going on with that is that the hairdresser, the older lady,
comes up to do a quick check up on her
makeup and hair and says, remember, girl, I don't know

(48:42):
how exactly she says it, but she's like, remember, like
we're here to find out the one one answer to
the question is that which one of you will hurt me?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Right?

Speaker 3 (48:52):
That's what she says. That's right, that's the whole point
of the movie. That's like, that's where she's the movie.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Spelled out which one of you will hurt me? Right?

Speaker 3 (48:59):
It's not like one of you will let me know
which which one of you will hurt me? And that's
the what you have And that's why she kind of
reminds on the Kendrick, this is why before she flips
the script. I think reminds on the kendrack what it's
not why it's about, but it's what they have to do. Right,
Love is secondary to their safety, which is why women

(49:20):
kind of seek safety more security, right, you think of
security and dating and stuff. That's why number one to
them and uh and she just says it to her
like that, and and that's that's kind of like the
whole point of the movie.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Great. Great. Did it piss you off that Rodney Alcala
was number three? Now? Actually number three? And so I
left the number one.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
I love that even more so.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
And I want to get into it because you told
me about this off mic and it was fantastic. It
was driving me. It drove me fucking crazy. I'm like,
oh my god, did I get it wrong in the podcast?
I fucked up in the podcast? Right? How could this be?
And the Kendrick wouldn't steer us right? Number one? He's
fucking number one, bananas, right, peel me sick?

Speaker 3 (50:01):
I know.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
I'm like, but I even went back and watched the
clip from the actual show. I'm like, oh, okay, he
was number one, So yeah, he was number three, not
a big deal, but for you Oscar. You had something
very intelligent about why it was number three, why him
being number three was best.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
He's number three because it's a ramp up. So contestant
number one, two and three three guys or different variations
of either. You could say toxic masculinity, but you could
say masculinity in general that does not adhere to what women,
what women need or want and their vicinity. But whatever,
you call it, whatever you want. But the first contestant,

(50:39):
you know, batch number one, who is arguably the worst.
He answers the worst. He's kind of a dumb, ditsy guy.
His biggest problem is he's just ignorant. Not saying that
he would a rape, murder any woman, but you know,
probably doesn't understand what's happening. Number contestant number two is
the douchebag guy. He's the kind of guy that if
you were rich, he would have a Red Ferrari kind
of guy. You know, he's a pupil. I mean when

(51:01):
he mentioned when they mentioned his hobbies, golf is one
of them, so like are already immediately like you know
golf was one of them.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
You know, almost had one hundred nine proof whiskey coming
out of my.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Nose right into the MIC's safe. And he is the
douchebag kind of guy, you know, the promising young woman douchebag.
I don't even seen the movie, but people who have
know what I'm saying. And he's like the jock bro
kind of shitty asshole who would fucking he would update
baby would objectify. He would not be He would not be. Uh,

(51:31):
he would not he would be okay with like if
he sees a past our girl in a red room somewhere,
you know, kind of thing. Right, He's a touchebag who
says douchebag things. Arguably the most outwardly hateable character out
of the three contestants, and then number three is the worst.
Who we know is Rodney Alcala, but he's the ramp up.
He's the third place guy because he is much more charming,

(51:52):
he is much more practiced, because he wants to kill,
because he's the ultimate version of what every woman fears.
Not because he's a man, amazing man. It's because the
opposite he's playing.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I did not I love it, never picked up on it.
I was just pissed that it was wrong, very good,
the progression of insanity.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Yeah, right, of the wrong type of guy.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Right, so let's talk about those guys. Let's talk about
these guys in real life, because you know, I love
my details. I had to look up these contestants, right.
So Now, in the movie, Josh Young and Arnie Aslin
Arnie Aslin were Alka's rival contestants, with Josh Young being
Bachelor number one and Arnie Aslin the chauvinistic puky raping

(52:38):
Bachelor number two. And it's Aslin, Bachelor number two that
quietly warned Sheryl Bradshaw to be in the movie to
be careful with alcoholous contribution.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Ever, patriot for this guy accidentally helps her.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yes, yes, yes so he. But now, in real life,
a man named Jedediah Mills was Bachelor number two, and
Armand Serami was Bachelor number three. Now, it's unknown if
Bachelor number two Jed Mills actually whispered a warning to
Sheryl Bradshaw like Bachelor number two did in the movie.

(53:15):
Most likely that didn't happen, but later Mills said Alkala
absolutely said off, Mike, I always get the girl, just
like in the movie, which again just chilling considering what
Alkalo did. Right. Yes, Mills also commented that Alkala was

(53:36):
quote creepy, very creepy, and that he could not stand
to be near Rodney Alcala when they were taping the show.
And I had to know what these guys were up
to today. This is my OCD kicking and turns out
armand Sarami, bachelor number three in the movie, wound up
having a career in movies in the late seventies into

(53:58):
the early eighties. His acting debut was in a movie
called The Kentucky Fried Movie all Right in nineteen seventy seven,
And I feel like, yeah, I don't know, but I
feel like I've heard of this for some reason. He
was an extra Okay. He also did a show called
Switch in nineteen seventy eight. He was in The Blues
Brothers in nineteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Oh cool.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Heny was in a great sci fi television show called
V back in eighty four.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Oh, I think TV. That's a cool sci fi show.
Abluly you know they'd be made V.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Did they really? Oh?

Speaker 3 (54:30):
I mean that's it's now old. It's almost twenty years
ago now, but so yeah, they made V. It's I
really liked it. I don't remember how it ended.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Bro, I remember V like it was yesterday. It was
cool when they pulled the face off for the very
first time and revealed the reptilian underneath you. I still
remember that to this I think I was Sun's age.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
As that the nexus of all the horror of reptilian horror? Like,
is that where it comes from? V I don't know,
I don't know, but I'll.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Never forget it, right. Yeah. He was also in Murder,
she wrote with Angela Lansbury.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Do it back then everyone was she bro I think
my I think I was there in there too.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
And that was eighty six to eighty eight, nineteen eighty six,
ninety eight, and since then it looks like he's just
kind of enjoying a quiet life in Ontario, California. Cool. Yeah.
As for Jed Mills, he too got himself a career
in Hollywood. He was in Cagney and Lacey. He was
in Twin Peaks, which he played a character named Wilson Mooney,

(55:21):
a parole officer. We talked about Twin Peaks a few times.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
I've been rewatching it lately, so yeah, it's kind of.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Said a watch for William Mooney. He was a parole officer.
He was in Casino where he played a character named
Jack Jack Hardy, a safecracker and a member of Joe
Peshi's Hole in the Wall gang.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
He was in Cock and Bull Story two thousand and two,
The Magic Marker in twenty sixteen, and I Think I
Need a drink in twenty seventeen, and as far as
I could tell, he's still in the industry, only now
he's a casting director.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
That's cool. Yeah, yeah, he's like not cheaper. Sorry, I'm
easy to live with that. It's trying to be an
actor all the time.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
So that's what happened to those guys in real life.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
That's cool. It kind of reminds me actually, kind of
kind of reminds me a little bit of Cheryl Bradshaw's
character in the movie and maybe real life, you know,
struggling actor is trying to get out there, and so
her her trying at being seen on TV. With the
dating game, it makes sense that also possibly some of
the contests who are also want to be actors and
want to get seen on TV two. So yeah, it

(56:24):
makes more sense than you tell me all this backstory.
That's kind of cool. I see, So they're they're all
in Cheryl Bradshaw trying to make it big in Hollywood
as well. They're out there to date someone. They're just
there or to be fun, there to be seen. They're
there to get more agent calls and shed and auditions. Okay,
that's cool.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
And for these guys, it looks like it worked.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Yeah, it was like it worked for a Whilefully, they're
satisfied with their life.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Now about this scene, tell me what you thought of this.
Now we all know Cheryl Bradshaw. She ultimately chooses Alkala
as her winner.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Correct, right, I mean he gives the best answers in
the movie and in the real life.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
So yeah, yeah, so after sure.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
I would pick him, I mean I tho him.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
After Cheryl chooses Alkoala in the movie and it's her winner,
they go for a drink together in this tiki bar,
and that's when suddenly this conversation that they're in turns
really awkward, and Cheryl realizes this is exactly the situation
she doesn't want.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
To be in, right, and he says a lot of
right things. They both know the same plays and she had.
He's kind of introspective of what they're doing and talking about,
which means, you know, watch out and just because someone
knows what you know, it doesn't mean you know, I mean.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Oh right, yeah, exactly, There's there's there's more to relationship
than these surface or not.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Even that they could be completely awesome at it. It
could be philosophers. It doesn't mean that they're good people,
you know. He just doesn't mean the same thing, right, right.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
But it's during this conversation that she realizes, wait a minute,
something's wrong. But at the same time, that's when Alcohola
tries to order more drinks and push more drinks on
her and Cheryl. She gives that elderly waitress, that cocktail waitress, ye,
this book and this very slight headshake, yeah no, and
the waitress instantly understands.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
By saying, I want an angel shot today. Right, that's
exactly that's the version of that exactly, but not really
because she doesn't call it. It's quiet call for help, right,
But she doesn't call it for help. She basically says,
I don't know's that's call, you know?

Speaker 2 (58:18):
But exactly so the waitress picks up on it, and
the drinks never come.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
That's their thing about this movie is that all the
women in this movie are trying to help out other women.
Also maybe character yea in this movie.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
And that's when the two leave the bar. So in reality, right,
so that was in the movie, very intense, good scene,
the older waitress looking out for the younger. Yeah, girl,
you know, but in reality it's unlikely.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Bradshawn, I don't think it happened at all. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Most reports, maybe you've seen this too doing your research,
say that Cheryl's turn off of Alkohala happened literally backstage
immediately after the show. Cheryl told the show's contestant handler,
a woman named Ellen Metzger, quote, there's there's weird vibes
that are coming off him. He's very strange. I'm not comfortable.

(59:12):
Is that going to be a problem? And Metzger said,
of course, it's not a problem. So Cheryl chose to
never go on that date without cool.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Right, Maybe another thing at the show like depended on
some sort of like comeback, like, oh I was a
day you know, but no, no one gives a shit
after the show.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Yeah, So I mean it's that those flawless instincts that
saved your life. So mean, put then to take that
a step further into the metaphysical as a paranormal vibes man,
people picking up on vibes and energy.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
With the real thing. It's a real thing. The real
thing doesn't always work all the time. It is not
like a scientific approvable thing, but it is a thing.
We've all done it. We've all experienced this in one
way or another. Hopefully you haven't been to person creeping
somebody out. But we talked about that one time many
shows ago, not many years ago, but definitely more than
a year ago. I talked about that one time where

(01:00:02):
I was walking late at night, two three in the morning,
and this girl was walking in front of me. Happens
to be walking in front of me, kind of drunk
and was very wary of me, and it was like
walking faster, like worried to me. I was potential alkalau
to her, and I understood it completely. But I was
going in the same direction as she was, so it's
not like I was gonna stop either. So I started

(01:00:22):
slowing down a bit, trying to help her out by
not talking to her and not approaching her, of course,
because I would make it worse. That's you know, that's
part of it. So we've all been there. We walk
baving people of grips too, even if it's if you're
not going to do anything, it can happen.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Yep, go with your gut instincts.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
I love that that dinner scene though, because there's this
moment before the whole waitress bit where she like, oh,
you know that's called is He kind of leads her
into this where he could have just kept charming her Rodney,
and instead kind of lets the conversation die. He lets
it die, and he's like, you could. I what I

(01:00:59):
thought that scene is that he was kind of being brazen.
I think he was trying to see how far he
can take this without having to do a lot of
lies maybe or play it up or anything, like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
How far he could fuck with her?

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
I think. I think, yeah, Well, first of all, we
both know from the opening of the movie alone that
he foks with his victims, right walks with him the
way a cat walks with a mouse. And I think
that he's doing it so early on, like in the
courting phase of this killing that he wants to do
that he's doing it in public now, like he is

(01:01:35):
that brazen from sixty eight to seventy eight, you know,
and he's that brazen about it and that's definitely part
of his downh for sure, because the fact that he's
on dating game high exposure for a serracause you never
do that. He's a fucking more wrong. We thought, oh
my god, not about the show already, but that scene,
I think it also exemplifies that brazenness and how he's
just being way too cocky. And even though he might

(01:01:55):
have thought like, no matter what, she's not getting out
of here. The second she gets out of this restaurant,
I'm having it. But obviously too public still and obviously
those guys coming out of the studios save their life too.
But yeah, I mean, just he pulled himself out too
far out as a as a killer. He showed us
two colors too early, because he's such a cocky motherfucker
that got away with it so far.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Yes, yes, well let's go on that. So he's cocky.
They he freaks her out, He pushes that envelope enough.
They leave the store, they leave the tiki bar, and
now they're Anna Kendrick the show. Bradshaw character is properly
frightened of him. They leave the bar, he asks for
her phone number, and this starts real intense.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
That's some real oh. When he's like, what's then, what's
what was the number?

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
You can beat that number back to me, and she's like, fuck,
bro right, you know he can't good number completely.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Fours and nine looked the same, Like, wow, what a
slippery motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
That's right the way he said that. So she gives
him this fake number. She cannot repeat it back to him.
We know shit's about to go down. Yeah, so we
think she's gonna get away, but she turns to walk
back to her car in this huge, dimly lit parking lot,
right yeah, and you know, she stammers, she can't remember

(01:03:12):
the number. Alkala knows he's been duped. He knows he's
been duped. She fucked him over. She's onto him, which
leads to that really scary chase scene. And it's not
really a chase scene, it's it reminded me so much.
Adjason Voorhies. Yeah, just slowly, this this unstoppable monster just
doesn't need to run, doesn't need to to chase after you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
He wants to limit the window between her screaming as
much as possible. So if you started running, she starts screaming,
so while she can think that she can't still escape
to her car and not scream. It is probably a
positive for him. Ah, he does what he's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Doing very intense, very intense, intense. She does make it.
She gets back to her car. Very effective, very very
effective for Cheryl Bradshaw. I know, I feel like I'm
jumping around a little bit. But the real Cheryl Bradshaw
died in two thousand and four. I believe in Avondale, Arizona,

(01:04:14):
because she was a communication teacher at a community college
there in Avendale.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
So we're gonna say, I live in Avondale and Chicago.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Do you really it's your street?

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
No, the town, blow burb, not street. Oh right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Yes, got it. So she got in two thousand and
four Avondale. She was a communication teacher at community college.
There's no record of her. There's no record of her
being an aspiring actress or a foot messuse as said,
that's so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Yeah, that's it, both the and the and the movie,
and in the real life she was. That's so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yep, yep. Because she started, she got fired because she
was moving up.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
She's making up. Everyone's making it up all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
So yeah, no aspiring actress. I think this was a
one off thing for her. Yeah, she definitely probably most
likely was not to miss.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
It was more of an experienced kind of thing than
it was a way to get into Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Yeah, victims, you know, it's kind of my next section.
Do you have anything else as far as the dating.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Game I mean I have a lot in general that
I wrote down. I don't really fit anything necessarily talk
about the dating game killer, like the name of the
serial killer for Rodney Alcohol. You know, not every serial killer,
but most serial killers have a name to them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Yeah, you think of Zodiac robers, robbers, the way Son
of Sam Right, A lot of things like that would
give names to them that kind of gives them a
little bit of power. I wrote this a little tight sense.
I don't know, I see if it makes sense to you.
The title of Dating Game Killer is definitely more of
a fun misnomer for Akala, especially considering that he didn't
actually kill Ryl Bradshaw, but the movie oddly makes that

(01:05:50):
title fit the killer more by the way it highlights
societal issues between men and women as the bedrock, and
and that while Akala is the extreme version, smaller versions
of treating women badly goes unchecked. All the time, So
I like that. I kind of like the movie makes
the dating game killer name for the actual Ronney Alcala

(01:06:12):
kind of more gives it more weight. And I don't
know if that's a positive thing or negative thing, but
it's the thing I was thinking about that earlier today. Yeah,
so I thought of that. I definite want to talk
about that the end of the movie, though, but I
think comes to the victims, so we can just okay,
combine it there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Sure, So we kind of opened with this the movie.
We opened the show with the opening kill. That was
Christine Thornton, the last one identified. Alcala killed her in
Wyoming in seventy seven. We talked about her in the
last episode. She was six months pregnant at the same
time of her death. Her boyfriend. I guess, so Christine

(01:06:52):
was telling Alkhala her story, and I guess the story
pretty much checks out. Her and her boyfriend wanted to
get out and see the country, kind of this last
big adventure before the baby came. So somehow Christine and
her boyfriend gets separated. It's it's kind of alluded to
in the stories that I've read that her boyfriend was abusive,
might have been abusive with physically, mentally, verbally, whatever it was.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
He was abusive, and he still left her apparently, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
He left her, and somehow or she left him, likely
and somehow fate brought Alkala Christine together. We're not really
sure how that happened, but ultimately Alkala takes some photos
of Christine as she's telling him her story.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Yeah, and then he kills her in the movie or
in real life in the movie, I know in the movie, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
And the movie shows Alcala's m O. I think this
is the whole thing I wanted to get to here,
is that that's his m O. And you mentioned it
earlier how he strangles her Thornton did the woman's name again, Thornton,
he revives her, he does it again. Just that power trip,
ultimate control, just really depraved shit. So I just mentioned
that I wanted to get a little bit more into

(01:08:00):
into that person.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Yeah, yeah, that's uh No, I think I said everything
I want to say about the opening already. We can
move on to the next.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
One, okay, kind of how I mentioned earlier that I
wish even in a blurb at the end of the movie,
how Robin Samso and Talalie Shapiro were mentioned. I also
wish they mentioned in a blurb somehow that his photos
are still out there and you could see them and
viewing the photos are solving crimes.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Just like, yeah, Thornton, you're right about that. Now, I
guess I've forgotten that little aspect from the episode from
there are or on I review. I'm sorry our last episode,
And you're right, that makes way. It doesn't fit that
it's not in the movie. I just handles everything else. Yes,
that and no way they don't know about it. I
feel like there's no way they don't know. I agree, right, So, yeah,

(01:08:51):
you're right, it is a bit messed up on that part.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Let's see what else do I have here. So Amy
is the name of the woman out beats at that
apartment complex. As she's sitting on the ground kind of
looking destitute. I think she was under the stairs or something.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
That was a motel. But you're right, maybe it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
It was a motel, maybea something something, a Parma building motel.
The girl that Alkala rapes the desert, Yes, now, Amy
isn't real, but she represents the actual the actual Alkala
victim named Monique Hoyt. Yes, Now, Hoyt was a fifteen
year old runaway that crossed paths with Alkala in nineteen

(01:09:28):
seventy nine, and just like in the movie, Alkala drove
Hoyt to the desert and he raped her and she
did thankfully escape by lulling Alkala into this false sense
of security. Yeah, just like Amy did in the Mask.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
She's my very character for what she didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Yeah, but unlike in the movie, which shows Amy calling
the cops and Alcala getting arrested, in reality, what really
happened is hoy did get to call the police, but
when they arrived, Alkalo was long gone and he went
on to kill more women. Ultimately, I found out that
moniqu Koite she came back around to Alcala in the

(01:10:04):
twenty tens. In twenty ten. I think it was to
testify about what a piece of shit he was, and
her testimony did help to get him convicted to death
for the final time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
So that's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
I think the movie does mention that, doesn't he at
the end. That's one of the I think he does
now Amy's played. I thought this was cool. By a
woman named Autumn Best from Chicago. She was popular for
being in a CW series called forty four hundred, and
she has a what's called the limb difference, being born

(01:10:35):
with just a thumb on her left hand. Didn't even
catch that in the film, Well, no you wouldn't, so
I don't know if they hit it or I just
just too quick. And then they don't do a close
up of the hands either, so you don't know true
that it's any I mean, oh no, it's not a
big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Just thought it was interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
I love her performance in this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
She was good.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
She was so good, she.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Was very good. What she had to go through, Oh
my god.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Right, And you know that's another thing, is that that's
the other one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
I was like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
I was like, man, I know situations like this, and
obviously I know them in a microcosm much more much
less dangerous ways. But I know it, like I know
exactly what she's trying to do and how it works
and succeeds. Like you think of men or babies, kind
of what we said earlier in the movie, and we
kind of make fun of the movie makes fun of it.

(01:11:20):
It's like that's how she's treating in this situation, Like
she is trying to detach herself and the way she
does it in that moment, maybe because of her potential
abuses that makes you a runaway to begin with. Maybe
it's just kind of trained for it in a weird way, right,
that she knew what to do. Instead of screaming and
biting her head up or trying to fight back and
whatever the rape happens, he's crying because murder is horrible

(01:11:45):
and traumatic, even for the murderer. Sometimes it does happen.
You shouldn't do it, for sure, but there it is.
And her reaction is to placate them like you would
a bear in the woods that you come across, like
a beast that's way than you are. Like, you don't
immediately run away. You stare down, You play kid, you
say hey, hey, buddy, how are you? You know that's

(01:12:06):
what she's doing. That is exactly what she's doing in
that scene. And I love how she gets away because
it works. It works. It is so cool as he
is still a man smart, that's the point, a man
with these urges and ambitious and impulses that is driving him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
No matter how genius he was, it doesn't matter, that's right. Yeah,
So it's a really it's horriforing scene. But it's really cool. Yeah,
I love this thing. Good and they and they build
her up to along the movie. It's not like they
they sprinkle her in throughout the movie. It's not just
one scene with her. She's basically another character, another major
character in the movie. She's like a solid supporting number two.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
And because she's shown throughout and it's it's a build
up to the ending. It's cool. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Good. Oh. I also read that she was a barista
in Chicago. Word doesn't make it. I didn't catch it where.
I didn't catch where I said a word wordlabra got it. Yeah,
So there we go. And I guess my final was
we see another one of his victims, a flight attendant
named Charlie.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
In the movie, Yes the apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
That's the one. Yes, that's the one who asked Alcohla
to help her move furniture to her upstairs, upstairs apartment.
He helps her, but then he as he does, he
turns creepy, which alarms Charlie. But by then it's too late.
Alcala attacks her and he strang strangles her with the scarf. Now,
in real life, there wasn't a Charlie, but there was

(01:13:36):
a Cornelia Cryley, the TWA flight attendant Alcala murdered in
her Upper east Side apartment in New York in nineteen
seventy one. This is definitely what Charlie refers to the
scene refers to, although Alkola strangled Cornelia with her own pantyhose,
not a scarf as depicted in the movie. Okay, that's

(01:14:01):
my notes. Okay, so again you know there were there
are only a certain out of victims. This was just
a snapshot.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
I mean, honestly, in my opinion, in general, when you
think of biopics or musical biopics, especially being a bigger one,
you think of movies like Queen or whatever. It's always
been my opinion, at least lately, that a good version
of a biopic if you have to do it, because
I hate them almost I hate most, is that do
a snapshot of that person's life, because it's impossible to

(01:14:30):
cover the whole thing. You can't. You can't cover it.
You're not a history book. What are you doing? You know,
if it was a series, be sure, right, but no,
it's a movie. Do a snapshot. Do two weeks of
this and crazy part of the life, you know whatever,
and it's usually a better fit. So I'm not saying
that's what this movie does. It does chimper on time
a lot, so it's not like a It's not exactly
one day in the life of Rodney Alcoala, but it

(01:14:51):
is a snapshot. Yes, yes, I do a few more
things that I wrote down please. The movie blends real
life and sensationalism to tell a compelling story that equal
parts hates Alcala and shows who he really was without
making him seem cool. It uses the sensational parts of
the real life the killer name, the smarts, and sexy

(01:15:14):
women in photos to highlight the horror running in parallel.
I wrote that bit and the thing at the end
here I wrote Ultimately, serial killer movies almost always seem
to add nothing to society other than rekindling the infamy
of the killers, which is sensationalized to the point of farce.
But this movie serves that dish with one of the

(01:15:35):
core issues that women have to face in less dangerous
terms but potentially the same potency as meeting a killer.
The movie highlights victims as strongly as the killer, with
Ryl as a sensational and women's voice, part as the amy,
as the victim that shows true survival instincts, the part
of a movie that's true survival instincts. Sorry, movie doesn't

(01:15:55):
care about Rodney's family or genius. It instead shows how
you only have to be a man to potentially hurt
anyone you want, smart or dumb because of how women
are dismissed and objectified. Oh that's it's what I have had.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Great no good final verdict. Go see the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Yes, we I mean we spoiler if you listen to
this far and you haven't seen the movie, and we
spoiled the ship out of it in detail, so like,
but still go watch the movie. I we watched it
today and it's a movie I could easily rewatch. Yes
you know, Yes, it's that good and you can see
a lot from it. And it's not because I enjoy
Serial Killers and the opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
It is on the Netflix.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
Oh yes, we never mentioned that it is on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Netflix. So if you have Netflix, watch.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
That highly recommend.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Let us know what you think.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Yeah, please let us know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
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Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
EVENI even Hawaii.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
It's Christmas time. Well about buy your family, buy your
families and friends some cool shit with that oscar? Are
we taking them home? Are taking us home? Are we
going home? Right now? I'm home.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
Let's do it.

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