Episode 149: ZOZO

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Welcome to the one hundred and fortyninth episode of the Supernatural Occurrent Studies podcast
So Unusually Paranormal. My name isJason Knight, host of the show,
and with me, as always,is the venerable Oscar Spector. That was
my drummondes you hear it? Oh? Is that what that was about?

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You? Spell? Or you hadyour old bones creaked weird and it hit
the table. I don't know produce. No, it is my poor attempt
at a drum roll producer. Extraordinarypodcast co the list listeners, If you
would like to skip this lovely intro, please go to the show notes.
There'll be a time stamp there waitingfor you to get you right to the

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topic. I'll sell it. Althoughbefore you skip, though, I would
say stay for this particular intro.Yeah, we have some business to take
care of, some business, justsaying in case hopefully they didn't skip yet,
what were you gonna say? Possiblythey probably did. Yeah, they're
gonna miss this whole important announcement,So obviously we're releasing this a day late.

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Listeners, I sincerely apologize. Infour or five years since we've been
doing this, I've never missed anrelease ever. Even if I'm on the
road on vacation, it always cameout. Yes, I think the one
time something happened was when we switchedhosting companies and there was some technical glitch

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and it was like a week thatwe couldn't published. So we're off by
like a week. But in normaltimes, never missed a fucking episode ever,
except for this time. And Iwas so panicked. I was physically
ill because this happened. I believeit. I believe, and then it

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dawned on me. I can't keepup. We can't keep up with this
every two week release. It justour lives have gone in such directions where
there's just not enough time too insome months release four episodes, considering main

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Feed and Patreon up to the standardthat we like to release shows with that
in depth research, you know,multi part shows. It's just it's becoming
incredibly difficult. I don't want tostop. We're not going to stop,
but for the time being, we'regoing to a one month release schedule,

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yes, to kind of see howthings go. We may come back to
bi weekly releases eventually in the future, but for now we're going to one
episode a month. We're going tokeep up with our Patreon, it's gonna
be a lot easier for us tohandle and continue to bring you the type
of episodes that you know and loveus for. So that's my announcement.

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A little sad, but it's gotto be done. I don't want to
I don't want to just slap shittogether just to release. That's just not
what we do. So mm hmm. Yeah, it's been it's been a
crazy time, you know. Andalong with that, you know, is
that my life is as well.It's kind of changing a bit, so

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it could be also I don't knowyet, but a very good chance of
that happening, and it'll change forthe better, but for the busier as
well. It's coming up very soon. So like, if that does turn
out the way I hope it doesturn out, and that means I'm gonna
be very similar boat, and thennot like you, because you work like
a madman. I won't be workingquite like you. No one works like
you, really, but but definitelycloser to you. So yeah, it'll

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be harder for sure. And youknow, and also like holidays are coming,
it's like winter is coming, right, that's right. It certainly feels
like that when the holidays start comingaround. Gear up. The war is
about to begin, right, holidaysare, and especially with all the shipping
problems. Yeah, but hopefully youordered all that already, guys, because

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it's gonna be harder. Yeah,in November, order it November, definitely
this month. That's like today we'vestarted pause this episode and get them gifts
for your kids and loved ones becauseyou're not gonna maybe maybe really late.
I still have some stuff that camein late, like weeks late last year.

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Yeah, I came in. Itwasn't for like anything, but it
was like one thing, but itwas still like on you know that sucked
does But otherwise you know how youbeen been okay, been okay, just
you know, nothing really new withme over the past quite a few episodes.
Work work, work all day long. I mean there is something that

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you're forgetting. I'm forgetting now.Yes, since our last show there we
went through all hollows of youth andyou had you had a thing going.
I told you I had something.You had a thing at your place and
I was there, So how wasthat it was? It turned out to
be a lot of fun. Ithink we had like all together, probably

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thirty people show up, yeah,in and out. It wasn't like calling
once yeah, in and out.We drank, We had food, handed
out, tons of candy. Thefront yard looked great with all the decorations.
I think our girl who handles oursocial media accounts, I think she
put up some video of of ourfront yard and the kids and stuff.
But it was a great it wasn'tIt wasn't you singing that the Italian song?

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Wasn't I it wasn't you saying pizzapie? And hid right? It
wasn't that right because because I wasnext to you in that one. No,
I won't. I won't let herput that one up good. But
apparently there's video float around somewhere fromwhat I hear. Yeah, these are
the reasons why I really never wantto be big. I don't want that

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being on earthed. No, wouldn'tthat be funny? No? Terrible,
terrible. Here's your big break.You're making it to the big time in
the podcasting world. Wait a minute, what is this a pizza pie?
That's a little racist. You can'tsay that now you dreams are crushed.
You're Italian. No, but itwas just embarrassing. Normally drunk and embarrassing

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because you were drunk, dunk Iwas, I was feeling I was feeling
good. It was it was agreat time, having ever won together.
Some friends that I haven't seen ina long time showed up and it was
great. It was great. Yes, and I wore my uh was plague
doctor, plague doctor. That's right, that was fun. I gotta keep
the mask on though. Yeah.No, No, you're just like my

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kids. We spend this money onthe Halloween costume, then they go out
trick or treating they take a maskoff. Well, the difference is that
I pay for my own masks,so it's true. No, you just
can't wait. I need I'm aguy. Everyone out there should know if
you don't already, I need glassesto see. And that mask kind of
prohibits that. Matter of fact,all masks so kind of prohibited for me

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should be. But that mask wasso cool that I had to bring it.
It was very nice, like realleather, the whole thing, right.
I remember it was still daytime.Uh. My wife looked up and
she saw this guy walking down thestreet. She's like, Jay, look
at this fucking weirdo walking down thestreet, Because who is that? I
don't know. She goes, ifthat's if that's not oscar, we should

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call the police, and they woundup being you. Why would you call
the police on me? How doI look creepy? Oh? Just the
way you're walking with the big plaguedoctor's mask. You had the cane tap
tap tapping down the street. Itwas creepy. Yeah. I had the
neo code that is old. Ohyeah, years old. M hmm,
yeah it was. It was agreat costume. Me. I was just

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a big giant glass of beer.Yeah, you were, because that's the
kind of suits you get for fatguys. You were like one of those
Simpsons characters, you know how theyhave a Tough World duff Man. Yeah,
no, not the toff Man.There's like one of like those like
side characters in the Tough World universe. Were like one. They're all like
glasses of beer, but they're allcalled something. I was like swirly or

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drunkie or mean, like one ofthose. Yeah, some jinky off brimed
beer. Great, thanks, you'rewelcome. Well I really thought your costume
said duff or wasn't I say somethinglike duff But it didn't. It was
just normal normal. It was totallygeneric. I didn't even think of duff.
I should have thought of that.That would have been cool for sure.

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Yeah. Yeah. And then obviouslythe jellow shots. That was good.
Yeah, handing jello shouts out tothe parents. We went through a
ton of jello shots. I thinkKatie made over one hundred yellow shots and
we went through them all. Notno grants, we had a bunch ourselves,
but hey, you know, ohyeah we did. I had like
two myself and I was probably thelowest one. Everyone else got like five.

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Yeah. Yeah, And you know, people would come back like,
oh, we remember you guys fromlast year. We made it a point
to stop by see what you guyswere up to this time. So that's
cool. Neighborhoods, camaraderie, it'stogether, catching on, it's catching on.
Yeah, man, so you're right, that did happen. That was
a lot of fun. Otherwise,it's been pretty normal, you know,

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like the same old, same oldkind of scenario where we don't want to
have to explain work, living,trying to relax you in there. On
my end, I mean, itcould be some fun stuff coming up,
but as far as like on me, nothing else really watching a lot of
stuff, playing with the girls asusual. Nothing really to report, nothing
supernatural, definitely to report. Yeah, well I might have something on that

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front, on the supernatural front,but I'll get to that at the very
end of this episode. At thevery end. Yeah, I'm gonna make
We're gonna make you guys wait forit. What kind of fucking teases that
bro? The hell? So?Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, So that's
about it, right, Yes,contact info. I guess so you seem

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do, Okay, I like esoteric. I like that word word. It's
nice. It is, it is. It's very mysterious. Yeah so so,
So the following part portion of thisintroduction is actually false. It is
dramaticized, kind of like a likea documentary where they like they take liberties

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as to the real events because noone was there to take a picture,
so like they have to reenact theevents right of what happened in real life.
So the following phone number is fake. But here you go eight seven
two five two nine zero seven sixseven That Chicago area code eight seven to
two five two nine zero seven sixtyseven. Leave us a message, send

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us a text. We'll read allin on the phone as a phone.
Which reminds me of something. Ifyou were to signal to someone, let's
say, wordlessly, to call youor call them, or signal that you
want to make a phone call,how would you do with your hands?
I would put my four I wouldcross my forearms in front of my face
like a great big X. Wellthat's what I would do. No,

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that's not true. You know whatI mean. The universal symbol that I
think you're trying to avoid is doingthis right? Right? That's what that
is? Right, that you're makinga phone call. Yes, right,
you know what I'm doing? Right? Oh, the thumb and the pinky
to your ear and mouth right thatthe receiver right, and the the mouthpiece,

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the mouthpiece. You guys want toknow? And have you been watching
those things of how they How thekids do it? Now? No,
because they grew up not with this, So they do this. Oh I
want to slap them. They dothis everyone. I don't have to explain
what I'm doing. Everyone who listeningto us knows exactly what I'm saying.
They do this like they're holding aniPhone because they forever the they their entire

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life. The got used to onlythis, never this, this is never
for band a phone for them.I never noticed that, but oh my
god, if you ask ask yourkids, I'm sure maybe they Yeah,
I think Talia might like, whatis this mean this? Oh god,
you might we're old brother. Beforewe go to break, we did receive

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a text speaking about the phone number. We did receive a text from my
cousin, Shelley. She says she'sa friend of the show, longtime listener.
She just wanted to compliment and giveus props for the content warning on
the Ayoki Kahara Forest episode when wetalked about the other content warning go back

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and listen to it. So shesent us props for that. And she's
a tough girl to please, sothat I told her, I promise I'm
gonna I'm gonna read that on theshow. So thank you, Shelly.
I thought it was the right thingto do put the content warning that is.
Oh boy, how about we goto break? Yeah, that's do
that. I think we needed.Hive four three two listeners, Welcome back

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to the show. Well, thelights are turned down low. The ceremonial
candle is lit and the drinks areflowing. Let's start this show. In
case you skipped our lovely intro,I just want to make mention that the
Supernatural Occurrence Studies podcast is changing itsrelease format. We're going monthly, So

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starting in December, we'll be releasingone main feed episode per month, and
that's to continue bringing good, solidcontent to our listeners. It's good for
our schedules. Yes, all right, with that out of the way.
So, I don't know if youremember Oscar, but all the way back

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in episode six when we were,i know, brand new to podcasting and
we had no idea what we weredoing. I can't remember the last time
I thought of the number six,I know, right. In episode six,
we covered two topics, the CharlieCharlie Challenge and the Ouiji Board.

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The Luigi Board, No, no, no, the Ouiji Board. Oh
okay. In episode six we gavesome hit on both the Charlie Charlie Challenge
and the Wigi Board, and weattempted to do both live on the show.
Now, looking back the history portion, the backstory portion, especially concerning

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the Wigi Board, in my opinion, it wasn't that good. It wasn't
up to par with the level ofresearch we do today on the show,
and it's frankly something I'd like tovisit one day and revisit one day in
the future. But it was funtalking about our own personal experiences with the
Wigi board, which by the way, were all true and spoiler We've never
had a positive experience using the Wigiboard, and the live hands on portion

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of the episode was interesting. Wedid have a few strange things happened that
night with both the Charlie Charlie challengeand our Wigi board session. In fact,
in preparation to record episode six,I insisted we record in my garage
because I didn't want to use theWigi board in my house. I was
honestly afraid of summoning something bad,and I was worried that something would in

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turn infect my house and my family. You've seen enough horror movies to know
better, damn right, So werecorded that episode in my garage. Now,
remember it was cold that night,and as I recall it, Oscar,
just like me, you also refusedto be part of the Ouiji board
session. Do you remember that?Yeah, my mom taught me better,
so I was gonna ask you why, So it's just how you were raised

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stay away from stuff like that.Yeah, well my my my parents funny
enough compared to other Hispanic or Mexicansspecifically, if you want to be specific
families and parents that I've met,they're not at no, no, when
you're as superstitious. They're very religious, but they're not superstitious about things like
that. They don't there were they'rescience. You know, it's not science

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science. I'm not saying they're likesuper intesigns either, but I'm just saying
that it's not like to them,it really would be probably just a boored
But I know enough through the familyin general, like why even tempted?
Why even why like where it's allall all of the The worst that can

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happen is nothing. I mean,the best thing that can happen is nothing,
and the worst that can happen isinsane. And there is no better
version than that. Do it right, might as well not do it?
If the best thing is that nothinghappens, you know, like you have
no gain, there is no rewards, only risk, only risk. Great
way to put it, and theynever said it to me that way.

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I don't know. Maybe they didas a kid, and it's just ingrained
in me and the memory's gone.Maybe they did, I don't know,
but I know that while I knowthat they do kind of believe in some
supernatural stuff regarding like I don't sayenergies. They don't say energies. They
say, you know, like theremnants of things, the ghosts of things,
But like they don't. They certainlydidn't instill this in me, but
they kind of like did by justtheir maybe and I just kind of like

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attune to it, and I justnever fuck with them, never fuck with
no owiki board. So understood.I'm the exact same way today. I
don't want to do it. Idon't want to round myself, my house,
my family. I love the wayyou put it. The best thing
that could happen is nothing, andthe worst thing that could happen is insane.
Is insane, because I could tellyou from firsthand experience, I've had

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crazy shit happen with the Wigi board. Just go back and listen to our
stories in episode six. So ultimatelythat night when we recorded, Joe Eerie
and my wife Katie Knight, theystepped up and they did the WIGI session
together and like I said, someweird things did happen. And even my
mom, who's also incredibly leary ofthe Wigi board, she said in on

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that episode two to kind of overseethe Wuigi portion, she was just trying
to protect you guys. I thinkit wasn't like exactly yeah, yeah,
just in case something bad happened.You're the warden warden, yes, yeah.
I'm not sure what she would havedone had Joe and Katie. Actually,
I feel like she had something though. I feel like she had some

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some sort of Tannis rude from likeRosemary's Baby ready to go, We're going
to fucking pop that demon or whatever. So it should something. We just
don't know because it never happened.But I'm pretty sure she had like the
spiritual equivalent of a machete or somethingfor whatever came through. Probably No,
my mom, you're you're probably right. She's attuned to all that stuff.
As he's like, oh yeah,I had this crystal in my back in

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my pocket the whole time. Alsolike a salt gun. And you know
how people they gripped their keys,so all the keys coming through the knuckles,
so if you have to fight anattack or something like she had the
equivalent of that right to go,only Crystal spoke into the knuckles, right,
Crystal Love. I hope she's listeningto this and cracking up. Yeah,
but yeah, I don't know whatshe would have done if we did
contact something better, they contacted somethingbad, like the entity we're going to

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talk about tonight. But she insistedon being there nonetheless, and we were
thankful she was there for us.And after everything was said and done and
we finished recording, it was reallylate and Joe Eery he wanted to sleep
over, but even before I wouldlet him step foot into the house,
I insisted he put that Wigi boardback into his truck. Wouldn't let me

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bring it in. That's how stronglyI feel about the Wigi board. I
didn't want it in my house,and I sure as hell wasn't gonna do
it in my house. You justnever know where you're gonna get with these
things, you know. Yeah,I mean I'm a little more lax than
you on that specific regard, butI would never have it play in my
house. I would definitely never touchit. I will never play with it.

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But if someone brings it in andI'm not gonna like you men to
kick it out. I'll make sureit goes with the person that brought it
in on the way out. Butlike, yeah, I understand you're I
understand what you're saying. Yeah,yeah, And again what we're gonna talk
about tonight. This entity, ifit's real, it's yet another reason why
you have to be incredibly careful whenattempting to contact the spirit world, especially

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in this case, when using theWigi board. So tonight's episode isn't going
to be a deep dive into thehistory of the Wigi board. I'm just
going to get that out there rightaway because I'm assuming everyone that listens to
this podcast specifically at least knows whatthe wigi board is, right, It's
that popular mystifying oracle, the Talkingboard. You could literally pick up a

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Wiji board at your local Walmart rightnow for twenty five bucks. You can
make your own, though, youcan make your own, this is true,
yes, which isn't actually probably worseand I talk about this a little
bit later in the script. Now, I think the only thing that's worse
than making your own, because there'ssomething personal about having your own, like

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making your own it like it feelslike it would imbue even worse drawcomes.
It really does, especially if youtake the time to carve it out of
like, oh anything like an oakor like a yeah, styrophoam whatever it
is. I'm kidding that stirophone.But you know the only thing that's worse
than that is if you make aneconomic conversion of a Wichi board made out

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of human flesh and the thing ismade out of teeth and the fucking letters
are in blood. Oh my god, that would be they you should make
that. This would be a movieabout that. Anyway, continue give it
time. I'm sure there will beBut yeah, you can literally go to
your local walmout right now buy aWeigi board for twenty five bucks. And

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funny enough, the box says thatthe Wiji board is appropriate for ages eight
and up. Isn't it something ateight years old you could start contacting spirits
and demons. Oh yeah, alot of people don't believe in right,
Yeah. And on the back ofthe box it says in bold lettering,
it's only a game, isn't it. No, Hasbro, I don't think

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it's just a game, and you'llsit back bro it is yeah. Oh
wow. Hasbro is like the parentcompany at some other company that actually puts
out the board, but Hasbro isthe parent company. Okay, but no,
I don't think it's just a game. And you'll see why it isn't
just a game here shortly now.And I've proven this just to your point,

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Oscar, you don't need an actualwigi board in plan chet, the
heart shaped piece of plastic with ahole in it that glides around the regi
board to do wigi board type shit. I've made a wigi board out of
construction paper and a shot glass andit worked. But the physical board and
the plan chet is the most commonway people attempt to commune with the other

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side, especially the uninitiated, thosewho aren't aware of the negative consequences that
could come along with using such adevice. Anyone used the wigi board at
a grammar school sleepover? I knowI did a bunch of times. Ever,
See The Exorcist. It's all funand games until it isn't. All

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the stories are eerily similar. Youmake contact with something on a wigi board
that initially poses itself as friendly,a deceased loved one, a helpful spirit
guide, a child. It drawsyou in, builds your trust, kind
of gets you addicted and then bam, all held. It's really a gateway
drug to paranormal mouthfeasance, you know, paranormal sinning or repercussions, right,

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because like it's like it's like iflike you buy drugs from a drug dealer
for the first time in some CDpark, but like if something really bad
happens to you in the first time, kind of like a Ouiji board session,
you never go back immediately, right, you never go back, or
that guy mugs you and kills youright then and there, and the equivalent
of drug buying, or you getcaught by the cops right aways, and

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you know, if someone catches youand you get arrested. It's like that,
like you're you're it's a gateweight drug. It's like it's like the the
smallest, Like the way you wouldstart entering the criminal world is the same
way you would start entering the paranormalworld with heroin or wigi board, you
know, right exactly. Or sure, throw some molly in there too,

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some zimzams and flim flams. I'lltake it all. I don't either,
but yeah, it draws you in, gets you addicted. It pretends it's
your friend, it answers questions,and all of a sudden boom, all
hell breaks. Suddenly, shit's goingcrazy in your home. You're seeing things,
hearing things, having nightmares, paranoia. Some people even claim that they've
become possessed by whatever they conjured upon the Ouiji board. Demons, evil

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spirits, negative energy, call itwhat you like. These things are incredibly
hard to get rid of once theyget hold of someone, which is why
you really have to be careful whenyou place your fingers on that planchet and
begin to ask questions. You justdon't know what you're gonna get, and
the consequences could be dire. Youcould take a page from my book and
just not do it, or youcould run the risk of using the Ouiji

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board and accidentally making contact with arelatively new, frightening phenomenon called Zozo or
the Zozo demon or the Wigi boarddemon. Now really quick, I just
want to stop right here. TheOigi board for me, has always been
a negative thing. I've never hada good encounter with the Wigi board.

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But just on the flip side,there's people out there who use the damn
thing every single day, and theysay it's the most wonderful, positive thing
in the world that helps them intheir daily lives. It helps them meditate
and focus. There's two sides ofthis coin. My personal experience is it's
bad, stay the fuck away fromit. But there is an opposite side
to that coin. I just wantedto mention that, all right, because

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I'm sure I'm gonna pis some peopleout you know, piss people off out
there who have had positive experiences.I never did, so that's my angle,
right, Well, what's a positiveversion of it? Is that like
giving you the you know, theinvestment uh investment predictions or something I can't

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I can't say one hundred percent becauseit's never happened to me. But maybe
they do. I've never heard ofa positive one. Maybe they do,
is what I'm trying to say.Ah, yeah, yeah, you know,
I've never I'm having I've definitely haveeverything one Definitely. I have never
read about one. Definitely have neverheard of someone who's read about one.
I guess until now. You sureyou could read up on the Wigia board

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online and there's forums people saying it'sthe greatest tool in the world, you
know, got it, But forme, it never has been so that's
the angle I'm coming at this becauseit's my personal experience, right right.
I just want to get that outthere now. Zozo, as I said,
is a relatively new phenomenon, butthat doesn't make the idea of Zozo,
if real, any less terrifying.And I should clarify by relatively new,

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I mean in popularity or more likenotoriety. We're talking two thousand and
nine, when Zoso appeared on scene, first on a message board, and
then in a twenty and sixteen book, and in between two thousand and nine,
in twenty sixteen, and since theInternet has taken over as it does,
and suddenly Zozo is everywhere wreaking hait on Ouiji board users think slender

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Man, right, something born onthe Internet and for all intents and purposes,
becomes quote unquote real over time.That's kind of how Zozo is.
However, I do want to mentionthat I found reference to Zozo as far
back as over five hundred years ago, way before a book was written about

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him, and obviously way before theInternet was even a twinkle in someone's dream,
which to me is a huge differencebetween slender Man and Zozo, and
something that makes this story that muchmore frightening. Unlike slender Man, Zoso's
rooted in history. Now today,Zoso could actually go by a few different

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names, like Zaza, Zo soZo, os Za, or even Mama
or Abacus. Abagus actually makes anappearance in the Book of Revelation under the
name Abadon, the king of anarmy of locusts, or the Destroyer when
translated to Greek. Yeah, someof these right away reminds me of movies.

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I think mentioning those things Habdon andI've heard Zo also, I think
sounds Yeah, there's a rumor there'sa really funny story with Zo so z
O s O, which I didn'treally write into the script, but we
could talk about it later if youwant. But Zoo has even been described

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as the simplified name for Pazuzu,the ancient Mesopotamian king of the wind demons
and Captain Howdie's true identity. Inthe movie The Exorcist. You could clearly
see the multiple z's in the name, right, Zozo, Pazuzu. And
it's the common in use of theletter Z when the entity names itself on

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the Wigi board that gives rise toyet another name for this thing the z
entity. Most commonly, though,when using the Ouigi board, it's Zozo
zo Zo that comes through, andyou'll know you got them when the planchet
moves back and forth between the lettersZ and O z z z z O.

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If this happens, strap in becauseyou're in for a hell of a
ride now. The unique thing aboutZozo is that he overwhelmingly seems to be
a Wigi board based entity. Thereare tons of stories from all over the
world of people using the Wigi boardand coming into contact with Zozo. There
are even isolated reports that Zoso hasmade an appearance while people were under hypnosis

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or they were meditating or attempting automaticwriting in altered states of mind. In
other words, it's said that evenmerely mentioning his name Zozo, or even
thinking about him, draws the demon'sattention, so it's strongly advised not to
even speak or think about him becausethis is a nasty entity. As the

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stories go, once contacted, theZozo entity will be a kind or even
friendly spirit, answering questions, solvingproblems, winning an unsuspecting victim's trust,
and then all of a sudden,his real intentions manifest and that's when Zoso
jumps off the Wiji board and infectsa person's life. In the most extreme

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cases, it's said that Zoso canpossess a person or attach himself to someone
for years, slowly driving his victimmad. Somewhat milder but just as terrifying
manifestations of Zozo can induce extreme fearor violent anger in a person. Depression,

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dark thoughts, sleeplessness and anxiety,paranoia, sleepwalking, strange marks appearing
on your body. All of theseare side effects of coming into contact with
Zozo, the wigiboard demon. Hecould appear as a menacing shadow figure,
he could move objects, and hefeeds on fear. The more afraid Zozo's
victim is, the stronger he becomes. And if this isn't bad enough,

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it's believed that Zozo tries to specificallytarget those who already suffer from some sort
of psychological disorder, suicidal tendencies,depression, stuff like that, which to
me makes this thing a predator,A dark, ancient predator whose only goal
is to harass and thoroughly torment hisvictims. A predator that could have always

(34:47):
been but started using Wigi boards tomore easily reach into our world. Back
when wigi boards became popular during thespiritualist movement in the eighteen forties, and
ever since, Zoso has been therewaiting for someone to pick up a wigi
board and whisper the dangerously vague incantation, Ouiji board, wigi board, please

(35:10):
send me a spirit Now we allknow it's a toss up as to whether
or not Zoso is real. Youeither believe or you don't me I honestly
do believe that you could pick upsome pretty negative stuff when using the wigi
board. I think I've made thatthat clear. That's why I refuse to
do it anymore. Could there bea wigi board specific entity out there?

(35:35):
Maybe lots of people think so.Maybe, Like it's like like the preferred
method of like communication, Like youthink of like, oh I do you
have WhatsApp? I rather not useFacebook instead Messenger, you know, like
zozos are like, oh no,I really don't know how to use the

(35:57):
thought train. I can't do that. I really don't know how to use
who's a port keys? No,can't do that. It's not at that
a you have a wiki board,you know, it's a method. Yeah,
yeah, And they say It's likehe was waiting for that ideal method
to reach into our world and boomspiritual movement. Spiritualist movement in eighteen forties.
Everyone's got a Oiji board. It'sa cool thing to do. That

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was his his telephone in right,his Zoom meeting into our world. I
guess is zoom meaning? And nowthat we're in you know, twenty twenty
one, it's the Internet. Nowhe's all over the Internet and he's wreaking
havoc on people who use wigi boardsand then talk about him on the Internet.
Crazy creepy, like giving him power. Yeah, kind of. So

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a lot of people think this guyexists. One person that believes Zozo is
absolutely real, excuse me, isa man named Darren Evans from Oklahoma.
Now. Back in two thousand andnine, Darren Evans is the one who
started talking about his experience with Zozoon an online forum dedicated to true ghost

(37:04):
stories. His posts resonated with people, and tons of stories started pouring in
from people all over the world claimingto have made contact with the very same
entity Zozo. In fact, Evanreceived so many stories that he created a
website dedicated to them. I've lefta link to that website in this episode
show notes, so you could readall these Zozo stories for yourself. There's

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a ton of them now. Eventually, Evans took the frightening encounters he and
his family suffered at the hands ofZozo, along with other people's stories and
some additional research, and he publisheda book in twenty sixteen called The Zozo
Phenomenon. Now, as Evans's storiesstarts out, it's like a lot of

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other Zozo stories. It all beganon a mysterious Ouiji board that Evans found
in a basement. He begins playingwith the board and he makes contact with
what at first seems like a friendlyentity, but then it slowly changed and
became aggressive. When Evan asked theseemingly new entities name the plan, chet
moved rapidly back and forth between theletters Z and O. Zozo started spelling

(38:15):
out curse words and using aggressive language, and one time it told Evans that
it wanted to take his family toParadise. When Evans asked what paradise was
where it was, Zoso spelled outh E L l okay. After Zoso

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said he wanted to take the Evansfamily to paradise. Paradise being hell,
Evans was understandably spooted, and heimmediately went to check on his wife and
his one year old daughter. Now, initially his wife was nowhere to be
found, but he found his babydaughter nearly drowned in the overflowing bathtub.
His daughter was fine, thank godhe got during the nick of time.

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But when Evans questioned his wife justwhat the fuck was she thinking leaving a
one year old in a full bathtub, his wife replied that she left the
baby alone for just a second andthat the tub wasn't anywhere close to being
full, much less overflowing when sheleft the bathroom. She said, for
those few seconds, there was hardlyany water in tub. That's terrifying.

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Evans claims he was physically assaulted byZozo and that the whole experience caused him
to suffer a full on nervous breakdown, and he and his daughter were hospitalized
during the whole infernal ordeal with Zoso. Evans for that nervous breakdown and his
young daughter for this mysterious respiratory illnessthat no one could figure out. Evans

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believes his daughter's ailments were brought onby Zozo. He's going to take him
to Paradise. So the modern storiesof Zozo modern being sentce two thousand and
nine can be traced back to Darrenv his post on a ghost message board
in two thousand and nine, hisbook in twenty sixteen, and the Internet

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jumping in on it, and theZoso story in between those years, and
the stories continue on the Internet tothis day. Just YouTube the word Zozo
right. There was even a twentytwelve movie dedicated to the Zoso story called
I Am Zozo. It starred CourtneyFoxworthy, Kelly McLaren, and Demetrius Seger.

(40:28):
I don't know any of those names. Yeah, I don't know who
they are either. Honestly, Ithought you sounded like you knew them,
Like wow, I was setting upa joke before my time. I'm like,
no, who are these people?Well, honestly, I've never seen
the movie, but it has awhopping thirty one percent audience score on Rotten
Tomatoes and three point three stars outof ten on IMDb. I probably won't

(40:49):
watch this movie anytime soon. Yeah, those two life based on something legendary
movies that really sucked on't they?They tend to be horrible. Yeah,
they tend to be pretty bad now. The strange thing is, historically,
Zoso can be traced back hundreds ofyears. He's mentioned by name in a
book published in the year eighteen sixteencalled dicconar Infernal The Infernal Dictionary Ooh Yeah

(41:17):
Right, by French occultist, demonologistand author Jacques Colin de Plancy. In
Dictiononar Infernal, Deplancy recounts the storyof a young woman in the Piccardi region
in France who became possessed by threedevils or demons. The demons were named

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Mimi, sometimes translated as Mama,Capulette, and Zozo. The three devils
forced this poor woman to walk downthe street on all fours, forwards,
backwards, and sometimes straight up onour hands, feet high in the air.
The girl claimed that Mimi would pushher forward, Zoso would pull her

(42:00):
backwards, and Capulette would have agood old time holding the woman's legs high
in the air, and all threetogether the demons would contort the poor woman's
body in these unnatural positions. It'sexplained in Diccionnar and Farnan that when an
exorcism was performed on the demon besiegedwoman when Zoso was cast out, windows

(42:23):
in the church where the exorcism tookplace exploded. It's pretty creepy, and
that story is over two hundred yearsold. Another instance of the Zozo demon
predating Darren Evans and the mention indictiononnar and Farnan was an offhanded reference I
ran into in a single article whichbriefly mentioned Saint Bernardino of Sienna making reference

(42:49):
to something called the mass of Zozo. Now I thought this was really interesting
because if this article was right,and Saint Bernardino, the Apostle of Italy
did in fact mention Zoso, thatwould place his mention of this specific demon
somewhere in the mid fourteen forties,well over five years, five hundred years

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before Zoso became popular online. Nowreally quick, in case you don't know,
Saint Bernardino was canonized a Roman Catholicsaint in the year fourteen fifty,
about six years after he died,and he's venerated as the patron Saint of
advertising, communications, compulsive gambling,and respiratory problems. Hey that one right

(43:35):
at the end there. Wow.Now, Saint Bernardino's preaching style was incredibly
popular as he did it publicly insteadof in hushed tones inside of a church
during mass. Interesting, and hispublic sermons were mainly directed against sorcery,
witchcraft, infanticide, gambling, usury, and homosexuality in Jews. Hey,

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it was a different time, differenttime. But he really is an interesting
historical figure. So when I readthat Bernardino made a mention of Zoso over
five hundred years ago, I hadto find out if it was true.
Now, it took me quite awhile, but I found it. I
found Bernardino's mention of Zoso. Itwas in the twenty eighth volume of the

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Month in Catholic Review, published ineighteen seventy six. Now, this is
a five hundred and thirty three pageread, and within it is a section
called the Contemporaries of Saint Bernardine BernardinoBernardine. They use the names interchangeably for
the saint, it's called Contemporaries ofSaint Bernardine, a section that is mainly

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concerned with exploring Bernardine's outlook on idolatry, divination, superstitions, and gambling,
and how demons are involved in allof these vices to help destroy man's spirit
and to separate him from God,and a good point of this section on
Saint Bernardino specifically focuses on the evilsof gambling. An old man, Saint

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Bernardino fucking hated gambling man, ahman, and you have when you have
a passion of hate, go forit. You gotta go for it with
Gusto. Now, it's in asection that vividly describes the evils of gambling
that the mention of Zozo comes in. Bernardino does this amazing job describing what

(45:28):
he calls churches of the malignant.How fucking cool is that? Churches?
That's metal or what I take intoday's language to be gambling dens. Okay.
Bernardino explains that just as God hashis church on earth with its masses,
rituals, and leaders, so doesLucifer and Lucifer's malignant churches. Churches

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parallel the Catholic Church in every way, only in opposite and again the Catholic
Church. Okay, uh huh.Bernardino explained, as God established his church
on earth with our pope as thesupreme pontiff, so did Lucifer, who
established himself as the supreme pontiff.Opposite. It's the same but opposite right.

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Instead of our Catholic cardinals, Luciferplaced into position magistrates and city officers
and rulers who had the power togrant exemptions and licenses in favor of blasphemers
and evildoers, and who could approve, defend, and leave unpunished those who
commit wicked deeds. Owners of gamblingdens and taverns are Lucifer's bishops, and

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the dens and taverns themselves are thechurches. They're filthy rooms. The altars
purifying holy incense becomes the sweet smellof cooked meat, meant to lure sinners
with the promise of gluttony, whichleads to other vices like gambling contained within
these malignant churches. According to Bernardino, unlike the Catholic Church, or next

(47:06):
to every altar, there's a receptreceptacle containing holy oils next to the altars.
In malignant churches, there are receptaclesthat hold dice. On and on
Bernardino goes, making these shocking comparisonsthe Catholic Church versus Lucifer's malignant churches,
his dens of vice. It's whenBernardino juxtaposes the holy Catholic Mass against Lucifer's

(47:31):
infernal Mass. That Zoso is mentioned. It's only a brief statement, but
I think it's a powerful statement.Now, Bernardino sets up Zoso by first
mentioning that the demons that preside overthe infernal mass in the malignant churches are
named after various throes of the dice. Remember, this whole thing is about

(47:52):
the evils of gambling. He's tryingto steer people that he's publicly speaking to
away from the sin of game.Yeah, he says, the demons are
named Testa, Sabatalio, Sabaalio,sequenta, Spagnolio, reversal names like that.

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Immediately after calling out these demons byname, by names of dice throws,
Bernardino says, quote, the massof Zoso is to be the commune
omnium daemonium, or the mass ofZoso is to commune with all demons.
Now, for me, when Bernardinomentions that Zoso's mass is a communion with

(48:35):
all demons, the question I immediatelyhad was, is Bernardino saying that Zoso
isn't one but he's many. I'mguessing here, of course, but can
this be the reason why Zoso isfound wherever there's a Wuigi board, because
he isn't one. He's a legion. So again, it seems that there's

(48:55):
some weight behind this Zoso thing.And I gotta tell you, finding the
historical references to Zozo wasn't an easytask, especially a Saint Bernardino reference.
I spent a lot of time purposelysearching for that. In other words,
I don't think Darren Evans just stumbledupon Saint Bernardino's story back in two thousand
and nine, read the word Zozoand said, oh yeah, I'm gonna

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use that to get famous and scarethe shit out of people. I don't
think it went down like that,right, But that begs the question,
what then is Zozo? And ofcourse I don't know. Thankfully I never
ran into him when I used touse the Wiji board back in my careless
days. Right. But if youdo, lucky, very lucky. But
if you do run into this thing, there are some rules you should follow

(49:44):
to protect yourself. First and foremost, don't show fear of Zoso. Remember,
he feeds off of your fear.The more you're afraid, the stronger
he becomes. If you run intoZoso during a wigi board session, Stay
calm and immediately and firmly announce thatyou want to end the wigi board session,

(50:04):
and then move the plan chet togoodbye. This should effectively close the
session and sever ties with Zozo.Once you properly end the session, wrap
the plant chet and the wiji boardseparately in cloth and store them both away
separately if possible. If you haveto store them together, like in a
box, the cloth wrapping ensures theplan chet and wuigiboard will not touch one

(50:30):
another, eliminating the possibility of accidentallyforming a new connection without you knowing about
it. Right. Some people evengo so far as to sprinkle holy water
or rose water over the board andplant chet, or allowing burning sage smoke
to wash over the items before wrappingand storing the board and the plant chet.

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With this stuff, a little extraprecaution never hurts right. Once the
board and the plant chet are properlystored, you could cleanse the area where
where you were using the weedy boardwhere you made contact. Most people burn
sage to cleanse, but you couldlay sea salt down in the area and
leave it sit for a few daystoo. Also reciting a prayer won't hurt,

(51:13):
and our father or hell Mary shouldhelp with the cleansing. Once all
this is complete, leave the boardalone for a while, don't use it.
Rules aren't too specific about how longyou should leave it alone, but
the idea is look at that gamenever. The idea is the longer the
board sits unused, the weaker anylingering spiritual connections become until they're gone completely.

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Now, if you feel the needto totally totally get rid of your
Wiji board like Zozo freaked you outso much that you absolutely do not want
that board in your home, onething you could do is give the board
away. Giving the board away issupposed to immediately sever the connection you had
with the hostile spirit like Zozo,and instead the spirit will become attached to

(51:58):
the board's new owner. Kind ofa dick move, but hey, better
you than me, Better you thanme. It's like a very anti Househarman
gift. Oh, that's awesome,right. Others say that the Wuigi board
and chet and plantchet should be wrappedseparately in cloth, placed into a hole,

(52:20):
covered completely with sea salt, andburied. But whatever you do,
do not burn, cut up,or break up the board. Doing This
is supposed to immediately release the negativespirit into the environment, and you don't
want that, especially with Zozo.I've even heard that throwing the damn thing
into the ocean is a good wayto dispose of a wigi board. And

(52:43):
of course these are just some precautionsyou can take properly using a wigi board.
Ending a session and disposing of awigi board, it's kind of like
building a house. There are manydifferent ways to do it. Right now,
before I close, there is somethingthat happened to me while I was
researching and scripting this episode. Thisis the thing. It was just two

(53:06):
nights ago, around two am.I had just found the Saint Bernardino Zoso
reference and I was totally absorbed inthe story as told in that month in
Catholic Review Volume twenty eight. Imentioned a little earlier, right, I
was reading about Lucifer and demons andthe malignant churches and of course Zozo.
When all of a sudden, Iget an alert on my phone that movement

(53:29):
was detected in my garage. Nowagain, it's two in the morning,
and inside my garage is pitch black. I have a blink camera mounted out
there in the garage and something triggeredthat camera, and that was the message
I received on my phone. Rightsure enough, I checked the recording,
and there's this weird little orb thatappears out of nowhere. It kind of

(53:52):
starts out by the man door leadinginto my house, just a few feet
from where I was sitting in myoffice reading about Zozo actually, and it
moves kind of slowly right towards mycamera and then it disappears. Now,
I know what people are gonna say, orbs whatever. Probably a bug.
I could tell you. It wasin the thirties that night, a little

(54:13):
warmer in my garage, sure,but it was still really cold in my
garage, and inside the garage waspitch black. There's no way a bug
would be around. First of all, I haven't seen any bugs since mid
October yet, alone a bug largeenough to trip my camera in complete darkness.
People might say, well, maybeit was a dust particle. I've
been involved in the paranormal for overtwenty years. I've taken thousands of photos

(54:37):
and countless hours of video. Iknow what dust looks like, and this
wasn't a piece of dust. Now, I'll leave a link in the show
notes to this video you guys checkit out and tell us what you think.
Contact at Chicago ghostspodcast dot com.I just found it ironic and a
little more than scary that this happened, considering the subject matter I was absorbed

(55:00):
in at that moment. Was Zozothe one that tripped my camera? After
all, it's said that even thinkingabout Zozo could draw us attention, and
that night I definitely had Zozo onthe mind. And who knows, maybe
I just cursed all of you bybringing Zoso to your attention while repeating his

(55:21):
name over and over during this episode. I don't know, listeners, but
if that's the case, I'm sorry. Kind of reminds you of Lullaby there
at the end. How So,remember the Chuck Palinook book The Lullaby.
If you think of the Lullaby,or if you say it out loud or

(55:42):
you tell someone about it, theydie. Yes, Yes, I love
that. I love Chuck Pallinook.He's one of my favorite authors. Yeah,
right, Hopefully I just didn't sentenceall you guys to some horrible treatment
by a demon. Yes, butthat's Zozo, man, I mean,
it's it's a wild story. Whatdid it for me was were the old

(56:05):
references to this guy. Yeah,I know, I like that a lot.
I also like the connection a possibleconnection. Yes, yes, uh
you know disease are there? Youknow? Zozo short? It is amazingly
simplified a lot of those when yougo back to the root words or the

(56:25):
creation to certain words or or phrasesor languages, like it comes from such
a long time ago and you justshortened things usually or it's whatever been passed
down or history like it gets likeit's like when you play a game of
I forget the name of it,but it's weren't like in a group of
friends, you like, you tellone person something and that person tells the

(56:46):
other person in their ear and itsounds completely different. Yeah, we call
the mon the telephone game or thegame The Simpsons called it Purple Monkey dishwasher.
Sure, yes that way, Yeahright, tabo game. I forgot
the name of it. It's likethat, you know, over the centuries
of languages evolving and evolving makes senseto me? Why how I mean,

(57:08):
I'm just saying, I'm saying it'strue, but I'm saying, and may
it would make sense how bezuza couldbe zoso? Yeah, it does.
Yeah. And if that's the case, then this thing is thousands of years
old, possibly maybe infinite. What'skazo, you said, what is the
Mesopotamian Mesopotamian King of the wind Demons? The wind demons that's old, that

(57:30):
ship that's older than all current religions. Yeah, that's you're right. It's
a bull shit. It's scary,man. Yeah. And then there are
stories that say, uh, theboy who Reggie McNeil was based on in
the movie The Actress, is theactual story that it was Zoso who got
him the Enfield poltergeist. Those thoseyoung girls were playing with the Ouiji board

(57:55):
when all hell fucking broke loose intheir house. I mean they say it
was in that case too. Maybehe's the realtor or the travel agent for
all these other entities to find andmad people, you know what I'm saying,
Like, oh, they called me, we have another winner a day.
Uh Satan, do you want No, I don't want this one.

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Okay, let's go to the nextdemon. Do you want this kid?
Yeah? Sure I'm not. Youknow, like right, he's like the
the intermediary between all other beliefs,you know, And maybe that's what Bernardina
was talking about when he said thatwhen you commune the Zozo mass, right,

(58:37):
the massive Zozo, you commune withall demons. When you participate in
the mass of Zozo. Maybe that'swhat he's doing. Man, I don't
know. It's a weird it's aweird story because if you call fox,
if you go back far enough,the origins to a lot of these things,
especially beliefs, come from one place, or from one group of people,

(58:58):
from one something. You know.I'm not saying this is that.
I'm just saying that this could beone of those original originators to a lot
of other things, right, itcould be one of the original sources.
I'm sure there's a further back versionthat we don't know about, but this
is where the buck stops as faras our knowledge. Yeah, it's kind
of fun to think about. Notthat hopefully it's not real. I mean,

(59:20):
hopefully it's real in a cool set, in a cool way, but
hopefully it's not real in the sensethat I don't. I don't want people
possessed and fucked up. I don't. I definitely don't want you to curse
me or give me something by mentioninghis name to me. But it sounds
cool. Yeah, yeah, it'sor how with the diction ar Inferno where
one of the deals, so itwas Zozo and then it was also mimi

(59:42):
sometimes translated to mama, m Am A. Today people say Zozo is
represented on the Ouiji board by mA m A m A m mama,
mama, mama. So there's aconnection there too in a way. Yes,
that's besides specifically calling in that story, right, and and how many
people thought they were just talking aboutsomeone the mom right right, my mom

(01:00:05):
mom? Way, how did wenoticed that? I'm did I call my
mom mama? That's crazy in reality? Though in reality, right, they're
saying crazy, it's crazy, soweird the only so, I guess I
should mention it because we kind oftalked about it during the middle of the
script. There Zo so z Os oh, so if you researched Zoo,

(01:00:29):
there's this whole theory that led Zeppelinand Zozo are uh huh connected.
Okay, if you look at ifyou look at the cover of led Zeppelin
four, that album technically doesn't havea name. It's just referred to as
led Zeppelin four. I think theyjust he just named it. Yeah,

(01:00:52):
but I guess. Technically the titleof the album is just a series of
symbols for each member of led Zeppelin, and Jimmy Page's symbol is this arcane
and maybe I should put a pictureof this in the show notes. I
gotta make a mental note to dothat. Jimmy Page's symbol is this arcane

(01:01:15):
design that spells out zoso, zO s o. Zoso became zozo,
Zozo became Zoso. Okay, sopeople are like, oh my god,
led Zeppelin and Zoso, that's thesame thing, and they started this and
blah blah blah. What it isis Jimmy Page is his astrological sign.

(01:01:37):
His son sign is Capricorn, andCapricorn is ruled by the planet by the
planet Saturn. So Jimmy Page wantedto put some cool logo together to represent
himself. You know, all themembers of led Zeppelin did that for led
Zeppelin for his cover. You couldgo take a look at it. I'll
put it in the show notes.Fuck it, I'll put it in the
show Okay. So technically it doesn'teven spell out zoso, or it's not

(01:02:01):
supposed to spell out zoso. Whenyou take the sigil, a sigil for
Capricorn and Saturn, and you putthem together, it looks like Zoso,
but it's technically two separate sigils.He just swushed them together because it looked
cool, right, It's just accidental, accidental, and then suddenly it became

(01:02:22):
Zoso and vice versa. But soit's not true. They don't they're not
Zozo, they don't worship Zoso.No connection there. It's their way to
happen, guys, not highway toHell. Dude. I almost feel we
should end on that. That wassweet like that I did, so I
got to make a note put innow if you told me A C D

(01:02:43):
C had ah, and then I'llbe like, okay, that's something you
know now I believe now those fuckersthen those beliefs. Yeah, so that's
all. That's all I got really, But yeah, that's cool. Did
you enjoy this I did? That'sfun. Yeah. I like that stuff.
I like the history stuff. Yeah, absolutely again, listeners, check

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the show notes. My my Strangevideo will be in there. I'll put
the led Zeppelin four cover in thereso you can see Jimmy Page's symbol.
Uh, and don't forget we aregoing monthly, so we will see you
in December for Patreon members. We'llsee you this month as well, though,
Thank you. Oscar. Yeah,Oscar, please hobble us home,

(01:03:27):
hobble away. I saw a movieyesterday that really knocked my socks off.

(01:04:19):
It was just so much fun.I saw a movie called I Know Who
Killed Me? Have you heard ofthat? I Know Who Killed Me?
I think I've heard of it.You might have heard of it. Yeah,
I know I heard of it,But last I heard of it was
the year it came out, whichis like two thousand and six. I
think it was during the Lindsay Lohanwas a Lindzada movie that was like completely

(01:04:43):
bombed that. It made no money. It made like a million dollars or
something, not even you know,but I remember that. I remember the
post or things like that, likefrom back then Killed Me? Okay,
and I saw it. I rentedit and I saw it because I you
know, I heard a podcast talkingpositively about it, and I was like,
Okay, I'll check it out.I never never se it, missed
it that year and didn't care whatever. No one ever talks about it.
It had has a three percent onRyan Tomatoes. Holy shit, three percent.

(01:05:10):
Yeah, So I saw it,thinking like maybe it's not three percent.
I think what movie really is notmany? And like I can't be
that bad for four stars. It'samazing. It's so really, I know
it is fantastic. It is fantasticmuch. It has so much style it
be hard for you to find itthough. I couldn't even pirated. I
couldn't do anything yet. Wow,I had to rent the writings. I

(01:05:33):
know who killed me doing anything becauseit's not streaming anywhere, and I wonder
if it's just people who because likeeveryone hates Lindsay Lahan, right, like
yeah, that was that was theyear. That was roughly the year they
started really hating her. And it'sprobably why it's got a little riding.
Yeah that's what. That's what.That's what the podcasts were talking about,
like, yeah, that movie gota bad rap and they were talking so

(01:05:55):
positively about the movies by positive reviewand I was like, Okay, I'm
gonna watch it. And I finallydid yesterday, and I'm like, I
was so I wasn't just surprised thatit wasn't bad, but then it was
that good, Like it was somuch fun to watch. It's not like
I mean, it's not like superserious, like Signs of the Lambs horror
serious, but it's like more likeit follows good, you know, like
it's like fun. It's cool premise. I mean, you don't see that

(01:06:16):
often anymore, that kind of premise, even back then. And I'm not
gonna ruin anything there. And she'spretty solid in the fucking role, and
the Syraculler's fucking crazy and kind ofunique. Yeah. Good stuff, Yeah,
some good stuff. Yeah. SoI saw that and I saw something
for the first time. I sawall three Black Christmases. How are they?

(01:06:38):
They're all good in different ways,except for the last one. I
didn't like the last one, thelast one meaning from twenty nineteen, and
they're all remixed. They're all remixed. None of the more sequels, you
know, Oh I see, Yeah, they're all we made. The first
one's from seventy four. And thatwas a fun movie. That was a
fun weird movie. Really, yeah, it was a fun, little weird

(01:06:58):
movie. A lot of pel vof a of a faceless of the faces
serial killer talking to himself, whichis kind of creepy and fun, and
a lot of different types of cookycharacters. But my favorite one is from
the two thousand and four or whatever, and that movie is so much fun,
a lot of eye horror. Ifeel like eyeball horror. It's just
like fifty eyeballs fucking dying in thatmovie. So much fun. That one

(01:07:24):
starts off right away. That wasthe most fun one I had. It
was just like right away action packedhorror, like fucking crazy death, death,
death, death, that's death.That's that's so much fun. I
like that movie too, And thatmovie also get bombed, so so yeah,
watching a lot of that shit.Yeah, I haven't watched any horror
lately, but we we started watchingDune. Oh man, man, it's

(01:07:45):
really good so far, right,Like I really like, I don't know
shit about any of it, butme either, I didn't know much.
But I saw the original, theDavid Lynch movie, but I never read
the book. I see. Yeah, it mean we didn't finish because it's
like fucking three hours. We're watchingit with the kids, so like fifty
yeah. Yeah, so we pauseit maybe with an hour and something left.
But that was really good so far, and then I'm glad you like

(01:08:08):
it. Jason Mamoulo is so goodin that he's such a Yeah, he's
good he's good. I don't knowwhat happens to him. He's still running
around saying people. I'm saying he'she's in the first half of the movie
you saw. So he's very characterstic, he's very cool. Nice. Yeah.
That And then we watched a moviecalled I think it's called Ida Red

(01:08:29):
Aida like the name Ida. Yeah, it's like with Josh Hartnett. Is
it new or is it it's new? I know he's trying to come back.
Yeah, Josh Hartnett and William forsytheisn't it? It was really good.
Yeah, I'm just here. Ohhe's like in prison or something.

(01:08:50):
Maybe. I don't know. No, I just saw like a quick thing
and I see him with a theconjugal visit with a follow in his hand.
I don't know. Hed a redwalker me not survive her terminal illness,
incarcerated for robery. There you go. She turns to also is a
guy who there's a girl who isthere. She turns to his son Wiet

(01:09:10):
for one last job. And oh, that's sounds cool. It was,
It was good. It was agood, good movie. Oh, Frank
Grillo, isn't it that's the otherone. Frank Grillo yeah, everywhere.
Now he's been everywhere for a while. Actually, I'm looking at the director.
I haven't seen any of his othermovies. He looks like a he
looks like he owns a you cansee his face, it's all his face

(01:09:34):
is like all white. Oh sorry, he just looks like he's like a
bartender and a bistro. So it'slike an action movie. Is it cool?
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, itwas cool. Well, just where
did you see it? Where isit that? We rented it on Amazon?
Part? Oh you rented it likemoney but money? Yeah, yeah,
I saw that Edgar Wright's latest movie, which one is it? Last

(01:09:58):
night and saw how oh oh yeahthat was good. I liked it.
I very like that. I likethat. We just reviewed it. Actually
it's coming out on Wednesday. Yeah, yeah, we review it. We
both liked it. And uh so, man, it's a it's a trippy
movie. It looks like it.It looks like it. It's uh,

(01:10:21):
it's not time to tell, butit almost is. You know, it's
not a revenge movie, but italmost is. It feels like one,
but it's much more about this girlin her particular abilities to see the past.
And it's really weird and not expectthat any of that at all,
doesn't She kind of bounce back betweenpress. Yeah, Katie and Talia went
to see it. They said itwas good. Yeah, oh good.

(01:10:43):
Katie took Talia to see it.Mm hmm. I'm surprised, pretty bloody
is She seemed pretty much all allit already. I mean, it'll teach
you a lot about, you know, staying away from guys. I'll tell
you that that might benefit a lotof like it's not like has anti man
energy, but like it has alot of like, uh, you know,

(01:11:04):
careful out there in the streets,bro kind of energy, Like I
don't just trust anyone. I wantto check it out. They wanted a
mommy and daughter date, so she'sKatie's like, do you mind if I
take her to see it without you? Like, no, go ahead,
You'd be like, I mind,but I'll catch the next one. That's
right. Just bring me home somemovie popcorn? Did they? Yeah?

(01:11:24):
The only oh they did the bigbag. They so they so they buy
it after right after the movie,Yeah, on the way out, because
I'm used to so I'm I'm soused to going on the late showing.
So everything's closed, oh after youknow, so I would never, like,
if you had ever asked me,I could never buy it. I'd
have to buy it as I'm likebefore I watched the movie, and I

(01:11:45):
don't know how much of it willlast. Right, it was supposed to
be a five pound bag. Yeah, no, it's not five pounds,
but I mean it's not. Itfeels like it is. I don't buy
them believe it looks like it.Yeah, I don't know. I don't
know how much it is. ButI literally brought my own chocolates to my

(01:12:05):
to the to the theater for thatmovie. I never buy anything there.
I rarely do. What else?Oh my god? You like this one?
I was I met not met someonebecause I haven't met met her yet
or or at all, honestly.Uh, there's this girl on tender that
we started chatting and she's roughly lookeda little younger than me, in like

(01:12:29):
thirty four and pretty cute, notlike smoking hot, which is which which
I wouldn't believe honestly, So thankgod she looks normal and I just want
to trust someone that's super hargh,like, why are you talking to me
some gym rat or stop you knowediting your pictures? And we started talking
and they were like, O canwe talk on Instagram? Instagram? Is

(01:12:51):
it's either Instagram or another one.I forgot the other one, Snapchat,
snapchatre. There are different red flagsdepend on where they ask you to because
you always start talking at the Tinderwrap. But no one wants to stay
on there and talk. No onewants to hook up or get to know
someone there. Nothing. I meanunless they're like weird or yes, but

(01:13:13):
no one stays on there. Italways starts like oh, you know,
with the initial stuff and they're like, oh can you can we talk over
here? And stead I'm like okay. So if it's there are different right
red flags. If it's if it'sa WhatsApp type or kick red flag,
the red flag there is in myin my experience is that it is like

(01:13:33):
a fake account or someone that's catfishing. Probably do it in Thailand asking
for money. That's what that probablyis. If it's Snapchat, they're hookers,
but they're trying to They're probably notin your area. They're probably from
California and they're trying to sell theirpictures, oh their premium account or whatever.

(01:13:58):
You know. If if it's Instagram, Instagram is a little better.
They still can't do all that stuff. It could still be fake, It
could still be all this stuff.But most likely what it is is that
the bad version, the red flagfor Instagram is that they just want followers
on Instagram. Oh, I see, you know, it's weird. It's
a weird ecosystem. It's not it'snot eco. It's not enough to consider

(01:14:19):
it an ecosystem. But if youcall it that, sure. So I
went on there, you know,obviously didn't worry, and we started talking.
We talked for like, uh anevening or two like it wasn't like
straight, but it wasn't, youknow, And until she said to me,
like she mentioned her fucking model camaccount. Uh oh, Like I'm

(01:14:45):
not right immediately, but I saw, I mean because at that point I
was already like following her on Instagram, so like I was seeing her.
She didn't look like he looked likea regular person. Honestly, she looked
like a regular girl, like asingle girl. She didn't look like she
had a family anything. For sure. She definitely looked she lived alone,
but she it didn't seem like fishingfor anything or trying to charge something.

(01:15:09):
None of it was that kind ofno, no tags to regard that.
No. No, Like I'm anaccountant, which is a secret for a
whore or a cook. I wastrying to sell something. All that accountant
means that if you see accountants anywhere, like I'm an accountant, they're not
an accountant like a real accountant.They're like that means they charged for their
body or whatever. Yeah, Igot fool for that for one second.

(01:15:33):
I won account The first time Iread that, I was like, what
does that have to do with it? I don't give a ship. And
then I looked it up. I'mlike, oh, okay, well shit,
okay, cool skip. So shedropped that knowledge, right, She's
like, oh, yeah, itcosts this much obviously, and like it's
a private thing, and you knowthat's the only way I can meet people

(01:15:55):
if they're verified through here. I'mlike, I'm not gonna do it.
I'm not gonna pay full out seeingyou first. Good, Like, that
doesn't make sense to me. Iwould never do that. But at the
same time, though, I guesswe were having a pleasant enough chat where
she's like, we can still talk. I don't. I don't care until
you want to decide whether or notyou want to ever do it, But
I like talking to yourself. Wecan still talk. I'm like, that's
weird, but okay, I don'tcare what shit I'm up at night.

(01:16:16):
So we still talk every once ina while, not really often, like
not yesterday, not today, butthe day before. I did. Wow,
that's interesting, and just just chatting. She's clearly alone here. She
talks. She talks about her familya little bit here and there, like
they lives somewhere else my mother state. I'm like, what are you doing
over here? Then? Is shein Chicago? Yeah, she's in a

(01:16:38):
a suburb I remember anymore? Sorry, she told me. I just remember,
huh yeah, in the South.And I overall don't trust anyone from
Lombard. No Lombard, No Lombardis A is A. I mean,
what do you know of Lombard?To me, everything that everything about Lombard
looks like it's successful. I don'tknow anything. You used to live by

(01:16:59):
lot Allle and Lombard are like notexactly brothers, but they're like nearby,
right are they? I don't Idon't know. Could be. I feel
like to get to the city,you would pass by Lombard. I don't
know. I don't know if I'veever been there or known anyone who've been
there or from there, anyone thatsays that it from Lombard, most likely
they are strippers or something. Forthe fucking god sort of fucking nine times

(01:17:23):
out of ten, my dude,they're trying to do something or get away
with something like Jesus, shut up, get away from me. I'm like,
I'm pretty, I'm lonely, butI'm not that lonely. I'm gonna
go home. I'm gonna now.I don't know why with Lombard sometimes Joliet,
but not so much. That's wild. I'm so glad I'm not dating

(01:17:45):
in this new world. I wouldn'tbe able to handle it. Yep,
yep. Hopefully I could be oneTake Jay and you know, put in
an intro and an out Who isthat? All I've known is ten Take
Jay and lately. I hope I'mnot going to be like that tonight.

(01:18:05):
I'm sure it's fun. The SupernaturalCurrent Studies podcast is going monthly, going
forward for the foreseeable future. Forseeable future, let's start a word.
Wait what happened to one? Takeone? Take j Ye Okay five four
three two, Oh that hurt toactually say that we're going monthly. Yeah,

(01:18:31):
I can see that. I wasno joke. I was a fucking
wreck over this today. No,I I imagine that you were. I
don't have to You don't ever haveto tell me that you are to know
for a fact, you know.And last night I kind of I pretty

(01:18:53):
much finished around like one ish,one thirty. Maybe, Yeah, I
end up adding more today, SoI'm glad I waited, but I contemplated,
like, do I contact do wejust do this now? But you
said you were having a rough dayat work, you wanted to kill everybody.
I never heard from you, soI just I didn't want to bother
you. But I didn't know youwere waiting for my for me to say

(01:19:15):
something back, because I would haveresponded. I just didn't know for sure
how I'll went for you. No, I think your last message was I'll
let you know. I was like, oh, what time do you want
to record? Like, I'll letyou know? Work is crazy, I
want to kill everybody. I thoughtI have responded to that. I guess
I don't think so unless I missed. It's it's possible that's my fault.

(01:19:36):
I have a really bad text.It's okay, but I just when you
were said you wanted to kill everybody, I'm like, yeah, I'll just
leave him alone tonight. Yeah,no, I murdered a few people.
Stress believer. What you got there, my friend, I'm taking the last
of my peanut butter meat. Ohsad empty. I would kill for some

(01:19:56):
peanut butter meat right now. Youdon't have any. I think I have
Viking, but I can't drink anywaybecause I'm gonna be talking. So that's
sorry. Oh but you drank andtalked before, You're right, I'll be
back. Wow, that took nothingyour horrible influence Oscar, right, because

(01:20:18):
I've had it and it was terrible. Oh have you ever I mean off
you know left field Katie is haveyou seen the latest Paranormal Activity and know
they made a new one? Yes? Yes I did. Sorry, next,
I didn't know they made a newone until like recently. That's right.
I did watch that movie and wewe liked it. Over it's like

(01:20:41):
the best made because you mean,because of right holiday like the money,
right, the money was there theyhad cool. I mean they're all very
low a bunch of movies anyway,so they're meant to be Yeah, This
was definitely I think the best producedor film made. Whatever. Does it
have anything to do with the paranormalactivity world, I don't fucking get it.
If it does, I think that'ssomeone who even remembers the plot anymore,

(01:21:05):
right, like really though, Imean, I'm like, I can't
remember for the life and I wasinto those movies as much as you were,
I think back then, right,Yeah, there were a year were
huge movies. The first one,the first two three. I saw the
first three in theaters, and afterI stopped watching them in theaters and I
would to watch them here and there. But there's been like four others.
I'm like, I messed like twoor three of them because I know I've

(01:21:26):
seen, Like I saw the MexicanFamily one. That's the last one I
saw. That's the last one Isaw. I think there's another one in
between the latest one and that one. I think there is, yes,
yeah, And I don't know ifthey even follow any plot anymore. I
don't think so. I think someonepaid a lot of money for the name
and they're like, guys, wegotta do something with this name. Let's
get a movie out there. Yeah, you know, it's it's pretty easy

(01:21:46):
to think of something relating to thecarav first three or two or whatever you
would think you would you has nothingto do with that storyline at all,
nothing, nothing at all. Yeah, because I like watching, you know,
like what series, especially like dumbseries to just do background watch.
And I've seen I mean in recentin the last four years, I've seen

(01:22:09):
the Freddy Krugers, I've seen theJason's, I've seen the Halloweens, I've
seen the Health Raisers. I've seenthe seen a lot of them already.
And I don't want to go toa Leprechaun, so I want to go
to I'd rather go to maybe ParanormalActivity might be a fun one. I
saw the Finals Estimations, which area lot of fun. Do the Chuckies
and then the Chuck TV series.It's not it's not too bad. Oh

(01:22:30):
it's not? Is it? Isit? Al Raady? I mean it's
on I don't know if it's FXor it's on one of those channels.
Oh do you hear about Why theLast Man? Mm? Hm? Did
you hear about a show called Whythe Last Man? No? No,
have you heard of Why the LastMan? Has a property? Oh?

(01:22:50):
Okay, Well then maybe you won'tget the hype. But uh, there's
awesome, super great comic book seriesAmerican comic series called Why the Last Man?
Why the Letter? Why not?Like why is this? Uh?
Why the Last Man is a it'sa post apocalyptic not really, I guess.
It is uh thing where like everyonewith a Y chromosome for some reason

(01:23:15):
dies, So every man on Earthdies, every single man, including chimpanzees,
all male champs, things like that, like any why chromosome organism gets
killed for some reason. So onlythe woman, right, that's over and
except for one person, one immuneman, Why the Last Man? And

(01:23:38):
it's about you know, his exploitsliving in this now newly day one,
a post apocalyptic world scenario, andit's a very cool concept. I never
finished. It's a done it's adone comic book. It made a lot
of issues, but it's done.It's like Walking Dead. It's not not
as long as Walking Dead. It'slike half of that, I guess,
but it's still pretty long. Andbut it's done. And I read of

(01:23:59):
it. I read like the firstfour volumes and ship it was amazing.
And they made a show on eitherFX or I think it's effects. It
is okay. And her great thingsabout it. He was made so well
it kind of has a different takeon it and all this stuff, and
like, really it sounds better.And then they got canceled right away because
because it's too much of a reminderof pandemic. Are you serious? Well

(01:24:24):
that's well no, they didn't sayit like that, but no one was
really watching this awesome show because itwas too much like the heart, the
harrowing nature of I mean, it'sbad timing basically, Damn that sucks,
all right, so I won't evenstart it then, I mean, yeah,
well you mean because it doesn't endright. Yeah, I still want

(01:24:45):
to see it though, but itdoes suck though. Wow, Yeah,
I didn't see I didn't get tosee one episode either, because it's on
Hulu, right who effects on Hulu? But I need to once I get
a little more money, when I'mmore secure about it, I'll get my
own Hula account with commercials, becauseI can't deal with commercials. I haven't
watched so many shows in movies becauseI was your shows because of that for

(01:25:08):
that reason only. Yeah. Yeah, it's just so annoying. I find
it so unbearably annoying. I'm like, how did I deal with this day
and day out. In the ninetiesand the early two thoughts, I don't
know how I dealt with that.We gives we had to, I guess,
but sometimes nice I would like tomake sure that I want to see
that, make sure that podcasting isstill kind of fun for you, so

(01:25:29):
it is well, you know,I don't want to see I mean right
now, it's I mean not thatpodcasting is fun. I mean the research
is, but you're worried about thetime for it. I get it.
But still it's part of the samething. Without one, there is no
other. Maybe now that we havemaybe a little more time, not to
say that we should take advantage ofcrazy. Maybe once in a while we
could still do some movie reviews,because that requires just nothing but watching a

(01:25:50):
movie, and you watch this week. Maybe we could do that more a
little more, right, not forthe show, maybe for my show,
but just for the fun of it. You know, it could be for
your show, and it could bea bonus release for Patriot. I'm saying.
I'm not saying we don't have tonot married to it, but every
once, you know, or orsemi whatever, we still do some of
that too. I'm totally down forit that watch parties. You know,

(01:26:15):
maybe I can finally join you onTwitch. You know, stuff like that.
I'm all down for. It's justthe endless hours of research. Mhm's.
It just it got to me.Man, it's not totally so I'm
into it so far. I didn'tthink I was gonna like it. Man,
Yeah, but I was hooked rightaway. Javier depart dem Yavier being

(01:26:39):
why you gave him extra letter?I don't know that's funny. I think
you think there you go nice.But his character was great for you know,
five minutes you saw the five minutesyou see him, man, yeah,
you know he's you see him againlater on Cool. But he's like
he spits on the floor and everyone'slike, motherfucker right, and he's like,

(01:26:59):
oh no, he's exchanging. That'sa big deal in the moisture right
right. But he's like, that'squinde of Cool. I'm done talking though,
I have nothing or whatever you said. Yeah, it was hilarious,
it was great, It was good. Yes, yeah, let me know
when you finish it, and wellwe'll set up some time if you want
some evening when you're not when it'sall cool and show you have to do
too much, and maybe we'll dosomething. We'll bang something out. It

(01:27:23):
would be cool man for sure.Yeah, yeah, thank you for getting
together with me this last minute likethis. Yeah, yesterday recorded, We're
off tomorrow. I'm gonna finish recordingwith him. Okay, oh you guys
do it in two settings usually.No, we were gonna do it yes,
so we were gonna do it allyesterday. But he couldn't see the
last duel until today. M hmokay, well yeah he had. We

(01:27:46):
had to wait on. Have youseen the what is the Gambler? The
car Counter? Have you seen it? Man? I know you well,
yeah, the car Counter? Wasit good? I saw yesterday? Funny
enough you mentioned that I saw ityesterday. Really did you enjoy it?
I did enjoy it. But it'snot at all like, it's not at
all about gambling. Not to saythat there isn't card playing or chard counting.

(01:28:11):
There is that, but it isby far. It's not like,
it's not the Hustler of card counting. It's not the it's not the I'm
trying to think of a good pokermovie. It's not Rounders like that movie.
I know you like that movie.It's not those kind of movies,
you know. I mean, it'sin it, it's a part of it,
for sure, but it's a beatplot compared to like what's going on

(01:28:32):
for sure. The main character isit's I mean, if anything we took
we did, we talked about kindof what it's about a little bit in
one of our shows. It's aboutOscar as the places. Obviously his card
counter who in prison taught himself hotour card count count cards, sorry,
and and do kind of tricks withit, I guess, not magician style,
but like just know the cards,you know. And he meets his

(01:28:54):
boy, or this boy meets Timilyin this police expo where he's know whatever
for some casino, and they getlike, it's not about them too.
It is about them too, butit isn't like a friendship. It isn't
like, oh my god, ishe gonna stay. No, it's it's
like it's no more serious, notno more complicated. But you find out
that the history of this guy,this Carho Oscar Isaac, is that he

(01:29:17):
used to be he went to prisonbecause he was a soldier in the early
two thousands in the uh in thewar against Iraq and Afghanistan and all that,
and he was one of the soldiersthat was photographed torturing people in about
Gray prison. Oh no way,yeah, And we just talked about Abu

(01:29:39):
Gray with the with the uh abutbar, and so erandomed me of that,
and they show them some some graphicstuff for sure about his like like flashback
to that. I mean that cameout of nowhere. I mean Jesus Christ,
Yeah, for sure. Like whenit him up, I like,

(01:30:00):
what is this? What am Iwatching? I'm like oh, And then
I put it together, I'm like, holy shit, he wasn't part of
that, yeah, Like and thateveryone who got photographed went to prison to
show face, to say face forall the higher ups. But obviously anyone
who wasn't photographed but still responsible didnot go to prison. And I guess
that's the that's where it gets like, oh, okay, the story is

(01:30:20):
about this now, so it hasbeen about that. It's not a true
story, right, this is no. I don't think so. Maybe it
is and in parts, but it'sall fiction as far as I'm Yeah,
the guy who wrote it did,uh you know the right And the only
reason that starts because the writer director, I forget his name though, which
I shouldn't forget. He wrote somepretty prominent filmmaking books, like books about

(01:30:43):
film and critiquing or the Eye ofFilm or making movies. That's like you
teach it in class kind of show. Like a pretty prominent guy. And
he famously wrote Taxi Driver, Ohshit, he wrote Taxi Driver. That's
the writer of Taxi Driver. Ohwow. And and also other scorsesey stuff
he co wrote with them, alittle bit of this, a little bit

(01:31:04):
of that. But yeah, he'sfamous for that and for me for making
my top ten movies of the decade. A few years ago, he did
a movie called with Ethan Hawk wherehe plays a priest. First Reformed,
Oh he did that movie. Ilove that movie. That movie. Oh
it almost scares me. How insanethat movie goes. First Reform written it

(01:31:27):
down, Huscar. But it's nothorrible. It's it's just a drama.
It's such a good drama. Man, that ending. I beg you not
to like. Oh, do thisimmediately. Okay. First Reformed? Okay,
so I know who killed me?And First Reformed? Oh yes,
that's two very opposite movies. Butyes, watch them. Well I've been
the better that's okay. They're not. They don't. They definitely have diminished.

(01:31:51):
But it's the cable that's sucking meup. Like I have to keep
an eye on it. It'll juststop working, it will just stop charging.
I'm like, fuck you, Iwoke up, I charged it overnight,
right when I go to bed,I wake up and it's even halfway
through. I'm like to go towork. Then you know, yeah,
your your day is not going tobe a good day, right, I
know the first one you said,brother, first world pros. All right?

(01:32:13):
Sorry, now are you ready forreal? Yeah? Yeah, let
me get another hit in a drinkwater. Then you're not ready.

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