Episode 166: Beast of Gévaudan

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to my world, bitch, wow, good bar.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Here.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Welcome to the one hundred and sixty sixth episode of
the Supernatural Occurrence Studies podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
So Boisterously Paranormal.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, and
with me as always is this.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Guy that's right, always bitch Oscar, spector.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Producer extraordinaire and podcast co host Oscar. What's been going on,
my friend?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's been a month, that's right, and it's time for real.
I haven't seen you in a month?

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, yeah, nothing really, nothing going on where you would
come up or write. Yeah, it's been yeah, No, it's
it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
We're you know, we're forty plus people. Now what the
fuck do we?

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Forty plus forty year old plus, like forty plus yeah,
forty higher forty and forty year plus.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, that's what I mean, gotcha. And I don't know
where I was going with that, but I did it anyway.
I've been okay, there's something actually funny. Have you ever
been to maybe gone to a destination wedding.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
I've never No, I've never been.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Out of all your travels, I know you go like
fifty times a year to vacation stuff. So like when
you visit the country or a cruise or something, and
none of them were destination weddings.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I'm never a destination wedding.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
You've never been invited? Have you ever been close? Pan chants? Nope,
what you know? So many people?

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, none of them, none of them. Maybe I just
wasn't invited. I don't know. Maybe that's now I'm thinking
about it. Wait a minute, the fuck.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
This is okay? So now that I think back on it,
because I've been invited before, this is my third time,
and this just happens to be this this third time,
I'm actually going. There's a destination wedding. I will be going.
It'll be five days after this episode releases, especially, so
it'll be in May, and I'll be gone for five days,
a five day thing.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Obviously the wedding is one day, but it's gonna be
five days. It's going to be all friends basically no
family on my end. I mean, obviously our friend the
groom is the one getting married, so obviously his family
will be there. But you know, we all know them too,
so like it's not like we don't know anybody. We'll
all know each other on this one. So it's gonna
be just basically a vacation with friends.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
And where are you going to?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Can Kun Can Koon? Yeah, no, he's so white. He's
Polish by the way, And yeah, can Kuon is where
we're going. Although he is married in a Mexican girl,
so you know, but she's not from Cancun as far
as I know. Yes, I know her, Hai Tanya. She's
not gonna listen to this who gives a shit anyway,
And I'm going there for actually six state. I'm going

(03:00):
a day early because I have a cousin that lives
in Cancun, in the actual city proper, mind you. And
he used to work one of the big hotels there.
Obviously everyone works there, I assume at some point I
used to have other cousins that used to kind of
all live together and work at one of the resorts,
I forget which one. For years they were like managers
and cooks. They were all help in the business. But
they moved back to their home states, except for one

(03:23):
cousin who I haven't seen in a long time. He's
roughly my age. Can't wait to see him. We're gonna
hang out with him for the day before nice. So
that's gonna be my thing. I can't believe it. I'm
going to a destination when before you, I can't believe it.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
In can Kun, i've never been to Cancun.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
You've never been.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Not that either. I've never been to kankun Ilan.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Wasn't ask you for advice.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
You travel so often. I've been. I've been to Cozumel
a few times. I've been to.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
I've had that with a little hakoko. It's amazing.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, little Cozumel with rice and beans. Delicious. And I've
been too Piodel Carmen.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Okay, Carmen's beach, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, to a place Carmen.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
If you want a place called ish Cadet on Plia
del Carmen. It's an archaeological park.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
It was say word to that.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
But yeah, Cancun as popular as it is, I've never
been there.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Wow, And neither have you gone to Acapulco. That's another
big one, right, No, I've never been there. I guess
that's on the other side of the country. I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, I see, I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I'm bad with that stuff. I definitely never been to
the Baja, So I've never been to that little peninsula
over California, Bajaana. Never been there, but I've been to
the middle of the middle parts.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Where was that one place? What that we we want
to get t shirts made? Wow? The name of the
Mexican city is.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Not a city. It's a small town. The size of
your block here.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Okay, everyone, we got to everyone lower everything that you're doing.
Turned down the volume on everything except this.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
You know, this was a TikTok turn for like a
couple of like a week. Sure, a lot of people
would have their Mexican boyfriends or whatever tell them this name.
It became like a little thing. What town name are
you talking about?

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Jay?

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Oh? The one that goes like bluntly good?

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Oh, that's really close. Its equidity miquto one more time.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Please, this is about.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
I'm got equidity me quotto.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Oh it's so hot. When you said yeah, yeah, that
is a fun one. That is a fun one. I
would like to visit there one day.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
It's I don't even if it's there anymore. That's I'm sane.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
I just got up and left it.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
It just turned into something else. Or maybe it's a
blooming city. I have NoDEA that's too funny, I know,
that's in inland. It's in the inland parts. I just
don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Where, got it. So, so there are gonna be six
days with all your homies.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
It's all inclusive thing. Oh so I'm gonna get drunk
a lot. I'm gonna I'm gonna swim a lot. I
guess I don't know it.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Don't don't get drunk and swim. You might not come back.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Oh, I mean, I mean like that, that's for pool
and then the beach will be separate thing entirely.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
I guess, got it. Okay, I'm hoping stay sober in
the water. Yeah, public service announcement, folks, stay sober in
the water.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
That's so funny that you have not.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Then.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
So the reason I say that because I've been invited
three times by three different people. I mean, because well,
I'm not gonna get into that anyway, and all of
them are Polish. So maybe maybe it's a Polish thing
because I have a lot of Polish friends. I grew
up in a Polish neighborhood. It's possible that destination weddings
is more of a Polish thing than I thought until

(06:22):
right now. I didn't think of it until a loone
You know. That's the thing that is pretty strange. It
because you've never been invited one and I don't have
pot if you guys know this. But Jay is a
very good, glorious man. He knows a lot of people.
He's known a lot of people. I really, this is
why I find it surprising that he's never been even
invited to one before. But maybe because of my affiliation
with Polish.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Polishing, maybe it is. I don't have a lot of
Polish friends. I will say, I will say that maybe
that's what it is. It's crazy or people just don't
like me that much where they want to be alone
as possible, wished away with me for extended periods. Done,
I don't know. I don't travel well with people with
other people.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, I don't about your family, don't account.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
No family counts, but like outside of family, like I
don't want to be bothered with people's bullshit. I want
to go and do my own thing and that's it.
So maybe maybe people that want to travel with me,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I mean I have fun with you when we traveled,
I mean it was for the sos, but.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, that's true. I don't know. That's just it's never
never happened.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
So you're saying you hate it every minute we were
out there.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
And was not every minute A lot of minutes, not
every minute. So Oscar unbridled, no adult supervision, Do you
have any any crazy plans you can visit?

Speaker 2 (07:31):
I mean, I don't have adult supervision now, but.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
I would imagine there's like remember the titty twister from
from Dustill Dawn, Yes, with the cheech marit, and I
imagine those are.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Out there, and the one guy that there's so many
actors in that movie that were bigger, and you go
with chich you go with the guy that has in
two scenes, but George Clooney, who is the main actor.
I mean, that's so funny. It's like that joke, that
bit from the two thousands when they were talking about, oh,

(08:01):
he's in that Jack Black movie, The Jackal. He's in
one scene like he was just starting off, and the
joke was that they're naming like super unknown rolls of
the I remember the I think Michael Sarah did that joke.
That's what it's unlike. Anyway, Yes, I can't wait for
I don't know what's it like that. I have no
idea what it's like. So I'm going to find out.
And this is roughly I mean, this is after most

(08:23):
people's spring breaks, but there might still be some fallout, right,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
I don't know. I don't know. My family spring break
was late. We're going through it.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Now, right, this is the week you're going through it?

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Well, last week of April we're in. Yeah, no, it's
next week.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
So I mean i'd be going right after Sinkle the
Mayo as well. It's I think I'm going on the
fifth or sixth. We're going around there. Yeah, crazy, I
don't ask me. They're actually I don't remember dates. I'm
not not good with that, but it's around there.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
They'll be crazy to be down there on I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, I know for a fact that based on my
cousins and people that are my reperlatives, they don't give
a shit.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
About the holiday you sink to drink.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, nobody does that. Nobody, nobody celebrates that down there,
or if they do, they do it like low key.
It's not a thing.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
No, it's just a stupid American thing. Yeah, well, dude,
have fun. You got to report back. Of course I
will for the show, the kind of Shenani because I
know some shenanigans you've gotten up to in the past.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Well, I know that for a fact that when I
when I go out on vacation of any kind, even
if it's for one day or whatever I do for
someone new or whatever, I tend to go off by
myself a lot. So I'm to see when the well none,
that doesn't mean something is crazy going to happen. I'm
just saying I want to see what it's like being
out there by myself.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Don't get fucking kidnapped, dude, I'm.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
About a kid adult nat. I mean, I want to
take a nap. I'm good with all that.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
I'm good with it too.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
I'll be like doing it. I'll be like doing I'm
worth nothing, Like what are you doing? Totally wait if
you if you ask the government for a million dollars,
just send me to a Salvador. They're not gonna get o.
Yeah I went there. I'm harnessing Dave a little bit.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
So yeah, yeah, well that's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. I
do have something. Yeah, it's more of an apology.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Oh to the listeners, Oh okay.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah. So I don't know, beginning of
April something like that. I was driving somewhere long, kind
of a long drive, and I'm like, you know what,
I'm gonna go back. I want to listen to the
first Long Island Serial Killer episode. Okay, I just wanted
a recap of sometimes I do that. I'd listen I critique,
and so I went back to that particular episode, and

(10:33):
when I was listening to it, I was interrupted by commercials.
It had to be thirty times. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
I told you about this before you and then I.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Remember that you mention that. Yeah, So I have to
apologize to the listeners because that is not our intention.
We usually have.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Right out o break right when we call it a break, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Call it a break. I've been slipping one extra commercial in. Yeah,
and then at the very end of the show, after
that end credits, there's a commercial and then usually outtakes. Yeah,
that's it. So I noticed that on the Long Island
serial Killer episode, like thirty times I was interrupted. It
totally took me out of the story. Yeah, and then

(11:13):
I remembered you. You had mentioned that a long time ago,
and I completely forgot about it. Yeah, So I went
back from fucking episode one. Really, it took me all
of probably three weeks, pretty much all of this month,
and I cleaned up all the commercials and put in
what should be there. So I want to encourage listeners.

(11:34):
First again, I'm sorry that fucking sucked. And if you
listen to that and endured it, I thank you. That's
not what it was intended. So it's all been corrected. Now.
What happens is our hosting company.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
It must have automated everything.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Point exactly. I just used AI or something to try
to find little breaks what it thought were intelligent breaks
in the podcast episode, and then just slipped in commercials.
And like if we right there, right there, that AI
would slip something in. Motherfucker. So it should all be
cleaned up in a proper amount. There there's gonna be commercials.

(12:14):
I mean, we can make a little coin doing this.
That's great, but nothing like it was. So it should
all be cleaned up now. So go back and listen
to all the old episodes.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
You should be okay, that's crazy. That is a surprising,
awesome thing. That's a lot of work. By the way,
Oh it sucked, Oh yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
It should be okay, now, that's great.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
As you know. I go back sometimes and listen to
old episodes. Yeah, that's when I told you that would
make us really annoying. But I thought that it was
either intentional, not that you put them in yourself, but
or that is part of some program that we can't
get out of something, you know, like I thought it
was something like that.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
No we could and I went and you know, like
everything was switched to auto ad insert. I've never done
that before, always manually.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I think when they added that thing after after the fact,
they must have just installed it. As some think that
was automated, just turned on. It was on when it
became a feature, and you've never noticed it. It had
to be something like that. Yeah, that's yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
So that's something I will be conscious of. And every
once in a while I'll go back and listen or
at least visually open up a podcast episode and look
at the ads, and if it's flooded, I just have
to correct it. Yeah, because otherwise I do like our
hosting Spreaker, they do a lot of cool stuff for
podcasters and things. That was just one that, Yeah, that's
I missed. I didn't catch it.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
I wonder how I wonder, I mean, I woulday this
it was years ago. I wonder when they actually started.
I wonder how much of a problem this is. I've
never I guess I haven't heard about it from other podcasters.
I don't know many of them personally, of course, but
I never heard of it before until now.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Who knows. Man, maybe these bigger podcasts have someone who's
managing ads, looks at ads all the time, who optimizes.
You know, we don't. We don't have that kind of
manpower time.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
So and I often don't listen to our shows like
right away after we don't. I don't do that myself.
I do that when I'm researching our old stuff events. Sometimes,
you know, it's not like every time. So, yeah, I
got it.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
So that's fixed.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Okay, cool, that's great to know that's what I had. Awesome. No,
that's great. That's no, that is great news. That's awesome.
That's awesome. One funny final thing is that you know
I mentioned before in the past two shows, I think
that I've been doing uber eating as a way to
make money and eat dinner and.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Lives live.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Something crazy happened. I mean not a crazy maybe on paper.
I don't know how to because it wasn't great. I
didn't feel anything, so it was one of those weird things,
all right. So interest I was in the northwest side
of Chicago, one of my favorite places to start because
I like, you know, they pay more which people are
up there, I select it more. Today I made like

(14:49):
forty and three hours pretty good, or two hours, I
remember anyway. I was up somewhere Deerfield, North Brooke, who
knows where I was. And I was at you know,
they have four lanes over there, three lanes at least,
you know, on some of those roads, and you could
go forty forty five right. And I was a part
at the red light or stopped at a red light.
There was a car next to me. Our rs went green.

(15:11):
I always take my time. I don't know, immediately just
go boom, you know, same way. So I like to
take my time. Fucket, who gives a shit? That's how
I feel like. I just get there. When I get there,
I start going. The guy's ahead of me by like
a half a car length, and some guy missed or
didn't pay attention and ran the red light. Hit him
hard hard. They both like flew off like shrapnel from

(15:31):
each other. That's how much the impact hits. It was
like one of those bounce offs, Yeah, things right in
front of me. Nothing happened to my car because the
guy wasn't next to me got hit, not me. If
he wasn't there, the guy would have zoomed past me
because I was going probably slow enough, or he would
have just zoomed past me. Or maybe he would have
hit me. Who knows. But it happened, and I was like,

(15:54):
oh shit, and I continue driving. I didn't like, oh well,
there was traveling on the floor that I ran over
rapnel and you know, glass and ship and I just
kept driving because I was dropping off the delivery. I
just like kept going. And it's such a and forgot
to think about. No, the worst part is I forgot
to I forgot that this was a story. Wow, Like
I didn't this happened over a month ago. Ja, I

(16:16):
forgot to tell anybody about this. That's how is that?
That's what's bugging means.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
It's such a big city thing. I think that's such
a Chicago reaction. I would say, Okay, it's like a
large in my psychopathic No, it's it's just just another thing.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, now, this has happened before, It's just never been
so close while I'm driving. It usually happens like a
block away as you're approaching. Maybe and that's okay, you know,
so maybe that's what it was. Maybe it's so exciting thing.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
I think city dwellers like ourselves just get desensitized and
numb to so many things. Yeah, nothing really shocks are surprises.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Oh and then I just kept gotta go. I should
have just rolled on the wind and say you can't park.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
That would have been an asshole.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I've been too much.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
We God damn keep driving. Yeah, I think that's what
it is. It's just nothing surprises us anymore. Yeah, okay,
I mean glad you weren't hurt, though, dude, for sure,
I know I was very lucky. Who knows if you
would have matched down that pedal just a little bit
harder off the off the green, that could have been
you say a prayer and yeah and keep moving.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
I guess obvious they should be sad.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
You know.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I wonder how many people would have thought of their
safety and stopped for that. I've I don't know, I
guess I would never. I didn't do that. This is
this is the test, and I didn't do that.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
So that psychotic no, because now now I, oh, this
is gonna be a long intro. Fuck, I might as
well just pour the whiskey. Yeah, this is one. I
kind of regret this one because it has to do
with my son. Yeah, the whiskey we're drinking today is
the McTavish whiskey that we've opened on a previous show.
This is that Scottish Uh, the Scottish whiskey aged in bourbon,

(17:59):
Bourbon whiskey in Scotch casks. Excuse me, and Graham McTavish,
this is his whiskey. He's an actor. He's been on
like Game of Thrones and a bunch of movies and things.
And when we open this, I feel like it was
around Christmas time or something.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
You loved this bottle. This is the bottle that bottle
the whiskey.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, this is the bottle my cousin Cory donated to
the show. So thank you, Corey. There's still some in
this bottle, so you got to come finish it with me.
But here we go. Let's cheers to this one and
then let me tell you my story. Yes, my unsensitive,
my nonsensitive, unsensitive, sensitive story. It's a short story. But

(18:40):
oh that's smoke, that's that's I love that smoke taste.
So we were in New Orleans the daytime, fucking eleven
o'clock in the morning, right walking down the street. Dude
guy just fucking sprawled out middle of the sidewalk, I mean,
face to the concrete, dirty as shit, smelly as shit. Okay,

(19:00):
and I go, son, he just might be dead. Keep
walking and he just walking right around him and kept going.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Really he looked that bad.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Oh yeah, there's a good chance he might. He might
have been dead.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, and uh, we just yeah, yeah, you think you think?
Do you think you did some damage there? I don't know, man,
Like you never know about kids what they remember.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Oh, it's right.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I remember the weirdest shit that my parents would be like,
how do you remember.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
That, I'm always supposed to do kneel down, check his pulls,
give a mouth to mouth.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
I'm not gonna right, And then when there's like the
middle ground, there would be calling nine one one or something.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Right, Yeah I did it.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
No, No, I'm saying I probablyouldn't either. I probably wouldn't either.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
And I think I think I may have said after
we passed him or something like that's why you stay
in school, or I made up try.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
To make it teach you a moment and cautionary tale.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Cautionary tale, there you go. I may have said something
like that, but I always kind of thought. I think
back on that, I'm like, did I.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Really that could have been an error?

Speaker 3 (19:57):
You think maybe that was could have been a real
positive teaching moment if I would have intervened or done
something in front of my son, but I didn't. I
kind of.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, you're right, it could have been one of those two.
I guess. Yeah, that's a way to lament that and
a different way.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah, don't send us, don't send me hate mail. I
feel guilty about it enough.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Although I forgive the day. Maybe we'll find someone that
knew the person, like, hey, you were there. No, I'm kidding,
I'm done do that with you? Why would you pick?
Why would you pike a paper trail out of that?

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (20:25):
That's that is nuts. Well again, that made me think
after way after the way, after I drop off that order,
after that car crash, I thought of like, did I
see did I see? I mean, it looked like a
violent crash. I didn't stop to think to check to
see if everyone was okay. I didn't actually after way
after hours, after and I didn't think of it. That's
that crazy.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, I get it though, it's the sane that's.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Insane to me. It's insane logically, but not you know, emotionally.
It makes sense to me. Yeah, me too, Yeah, just
like the New Orleans thing made sense to time, right right,
But yeah, you don't want to stand by me your
signing and make him give them a horrible memory of
some dead person, right, Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
I would probably would have said he's drunk, but uh no,
but yeah, better get it.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
On that note.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
But don't drink and drive kid, Yeah right, no, yeah, okay,
well that happened. Those are updates.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Those are the updates.

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Speaker 2 (21:37):
The movie starring Jody Foster and Matthew McConaughey. Oh I
remember that movie Contact.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
That was an intro. We just gotta hate. We got
a hate review about our intros.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Got a hate we view are too long?

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, skipped intro.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I don't know, skip super skipped Intro's.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Our show funk off?

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Right? I mean, I don't see the problem. If anything,
we're saying ship that will implicate us in some future
crime out But well, let's take a break, shall we.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
Let's do that.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Listeners, welcome back to the show. Well, the lights are
turned down low, the ceremonial candle is lit, this book
and the drinks are flowing. Let's start this show. So
I'm excited tonight I get to sit back and be
a passenger princess today.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
That's right, you're excited to do nothing.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
This is your this is your adult sort.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
And a nutshell. All we're excited for is planning, preparing,
thinking about doing nothing the next time we could do nothing. Yes,
I love that feeling.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
That's adulting.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
That's you know how amazing it is to just sit
there and do nothing, to play a game and do nothing.
You know, that's great?

Speaker 3 (22:57):
It is. Yeah, So I'm past the princess oscar take
the wheel? Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (23:06):
So bad? Okay, yeah, I'm gonna take it. Will map
because you shouldn't be driving. Before we begin. You should
know that this story was told here on the SOS
as a bonus episode as part of our Patreon subscription
a few years back. Unlike Sad Satan, which is another
throwback that we did recently on this show two shows ago,

(23:28):
three shows ago. I remember this year I took unlike
Sad Satane, I took nothing out of the original script
and instead have only added in some details, and I
changed the way I did the ending I did. We
read much of the source material and some new things,
mainly just to keep it fresh in my head. And
as I am want to do, we will be going

(23:51):
to another part of the world. And because I like
to do that, you like to stay in the States, Like.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Oh yeah, historically, your show is going to jump. I
love going around the world, world hoping, the country happening.
I love it so much anyway, But make sure to
pay attention to the pictures that I will be provided
for you on the show notes. As the story unfold,
I will be giving you points in the story where
those pictures are correlating to what I'm saying. They're all

(24:18):
there now, you can look at them all now. But
I'm just letting you know that the order matters and
the story that I'm going to give you guys here today,
one last piece of news, not news, but warning. I'm
going to butcher a language here.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
I'm going to give it a shot anyway, but I'm
gonna butcher some names really bad. I'm just gonna say,
French is not my language at all. If it was Italian,
I could probably get away with some stuff Spanish obviously,
but French that is not my cup of tea. But
I will try regardless. I'm just giving you an apology.
Now we no no no right, we means yes, right,

(24:59):
I think so, I'll have to go to the bathroom.
I think too. That's an old joke.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
That's so.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
The story I have for you today is considered to
be a legend of a bygone era. I'm talking centuries ago.
Is that enough to be by gone? I think so.
Breaking down what a legend means in context to this
topic makes it clear that it's not about some great
action or a big battlefield. It isn't a famous king

(25:30):
or a notorious killer. It is quite literally a story
passed through the years and is regarded as part of history,
though not really authenticated. You'll see what I mean. It's
mainly oral history. Uh. There were contemporary publications and visual aids,
but for the most part we are going old school,
and the way this story flourished by word of mouth.

(25:54):
What makes this legend special is that it involves a cryptid.
Cryptids are I love it here on the so s absolutely,
especially here with Jay. He loves that shit. What I have,
what I have enjoyed researching this particular cryptid is that
I discovered that this story has a beginning and an ending.

(26:14):
It's really rare to have an ending to these kind
of stories. The legend is close circuited. It doesn't mean
that there aren't any unanswered questions along the way, just
that there was a shall we say, satisfying ending to
the whole thing. An identifiable ending to a story like
this is rarer than us here being able to capture
a moth mandalife. That's how rare it is. But let's begin.

(26:39):
Allow me to introduce the legend of the Beast of
Jevadan or Labette to Jebodon. Labette that is beast in French.
That is so the actual sentence goes de moi deric
lab to Jivadan. That's the actual sentence in France. Fuck

(27:02):
me if I'm going to say that I tried, I tried.
So this is a French legend that we're talking about.
Labette the Javadan or the Beast of Javadan, took place
in modern day Autois next to the department of Lozere.
Department is what the French call their regions or their states,
you know, the way we call our states here. That's

(27:23):
what they call their regions. And Lousir is one of
ninety six departments that total the country of France. This
is French countryside where the Loire River and the Marjoried
mountains of south central France are situated. Hiking, traveling, and
farming is fairly common in these regions. Today. There's an

(27:45):
ecology museum in the area, as well as a park
that contains a rare herd of European bison. So it's
funny good eton I had it once, considering how extinct
they are becoming. It's probably not a good thing that
I ate at Eisenberger once.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
I have too. Yeah, can't be that extinct if we're
eating burger. I didn't like it.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
I think if we wait, I'm during a time where
you can read him today, maybe I don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
I think you could.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
You think you could.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
A listeners let us know.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Anyway. Those podcasts dot com perfect perfect way to put
that in. Yes, excellent, so s Thath Radio at gmail
dot com. So, during the Second World War, the French
Resistance used the Marjorie Mountains as a stronghold and managed
to help delay German reinforcements that were due north after

(28:36):
the D Day landings. So this area, you know, has
some history to it.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, this story takes place in an even older time,
before even j was born to I know, hard to believe.
Let's time travel to the seventeen hundreds or the eighteenth century.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
It's definitely before I was born.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
That's what I admit to that. I admit this is
before you were born. I admit to it. Marie Antoinette
lived and died in the eighteenth century and some of
the many methods of torture and execution. It was commonplace
for mobs of people to watch and cheer. We did
an episode on several torturing techniques. If you're interested, don't
at me about the episode number I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
I don't either. Yeah, yeah, it's literally called torture.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
France had a population of nineteen million at the time,
which was immense compared to most countries in those days.
Nineteen million might as well be a billion to a
lot of countries back then, you think of it that way.
France had a lot of farming land, which became an
issue when the monarchy and rich landlords discouraged advancement in
farming techniques and when working families passed down their birthrights.

(29:46):
Land became a problem as division broke out. This is
probably the biggest political of people at that time for
the peasants, between the peasants and the rich people, basically
what it was basically today. Also, while French as a
language which existed the common folk, you know, the peasants
spoke something I'm not familiar with called Oxiton. It is

(30:08):
considered to be a love language like French, and it's
still spoken in the same southern French region as well
as Monaco and Catalonia. So it's a very region specific language.
Have you ever heard of language Oxidon?

Speaker 3 (30:22):
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
No, Yeah, I didn't even sample it, so I don't
even know how it sounds like. But apparently it's the thing.
So this reminds me of something crucial about this time
and place. The good news is that their war records
kept on who the people were, what they did, who
were they related to and how they died. It gives

(30:43):
us solid dates and reporting. But where the complications sometimes
came up and the research is when the common tongue
bumped heads with the aristocratic French. So when French and
Oxton bumped heads, and some of these translated works became
a problem to figure out what they meant, what people mean,
So a lot of people have dubious records or dubious

(31:06):
interpretations of what actually happened. So even though they wrote
down a lot of things, you know, not everything was
verifiable all the time. But I'm not gonna that's the
only time I'd be mentioning there's no solid examples I'm
gonna give you, guys. But that's roughly the biggest problem
with this. But let's get into it. The region that
is called Loser today was called Javardon in the seventeen hundreds,

(31:30):
hence the Beasts of Javardon. The first picture I'm introducing
on the show notes is of a map of Javardon
in eighteen fifty one, which pretty much shows how everything
was laid out one hundred years prior. This region was
even more of a countryside at that time than it
is now, where many towns, parishes. Farms of both animal

(31:53):
and vegetation covered the land. It was not uncommon to
send herds of sheep and cattle up the mountain for
its spring and summer pastures once winter ended. This, coupled
with the fact that news traveled much slower than today,
especially when it came to epidemics of any kind, made
Jevardon a perfect home for our cryptid. The Beast of

(32:15):
Javandon was a ruthless and huge creature that terrorized, maimed,
and killed in an area of roughly three hundred square miles,
many times in the Marjorie Mountains. When I say killed,
I don't mean livestock. As far as I know, it
never took livestock. This beast hunted humans, primarily easier prey

(32:37):
like women, children, and lone men, and in some examples
avoiding adult males altogether, like purposely avoiding groups of people.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
It's creepy.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah. This lasted four years from June of seventeen sixty
four to basically June of seventeen sixty seven. The Beasts
of Javardan claimed its territory as the superior apex predator.
The best way I can describe the Beasts of Jebodon.
It's simply a bloody great wolf. There are many conflicting reports,

(33:09):
but a regular or normal sized wolf it was not.
Most people described the beasts as a wolf dog hybrid
or a wolf striped hyena hybrid, or just simply a
very very large, strangely colored wolf. I should say right
here that most wolves at that time were gray wolves.
Oh Like, that's why it's strange colored, you know, because

(33:30):
anything not gray it's weird to them.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Got it.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
So it kind of reminds me of a dire wolf personally,
the way people describe this thing. Yeah, check your Game
of Thrones exactly. I don't know if that's accurate, but
Game of Thrones is the first wolf I imagine.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
That, and then I jumped to Skinwalker Ranch.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Skinwalker is another gray one.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Big huge story about a direwolf there.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, exactly. So we'll get into some of what historians
in the scientific community had to say about the origins
of this beast, But on the whole, no one believed
there was an at least part wolf, at least a
little bit much like wolves. It killed its prey by
going after the neck or the head. The beast was

(34:10):
described as tall and lean, with the size of a
calf or even a horse. I don't know if adult horse,
but I imagine yes. Its coat was reddish gray, with
a long black stripe on its back. Its tail was
described as panther like, with a prominent tuft at the
end and much longer than a typical wolf. The beasts

(34:33):
claws were described as talents, leaving ominous paw prints behind
that someone could drink water from after a rainfall. That's
pretty deep, right. It reminds me of the t rex
foot print in Jurassic Park when it was raining, and
I felt like that you could feed a family right there,
right that it must be heavy exactly besides the size,

(35:01):
All of these descriptors fit a wolf. And here's the
few things you should know about this time and era.
Before continuing, wolf attacks were common in Europe and it
was a huge problem. During the eighteenth century. There were
tens of thousands of wolf attacks. That's a lot. It
feels like France at some point had a toad problem

(35:23):
and they released a bunch of snakes to take care
of it, but then had a snake problem, and then
they released a bunch of wolves to take care of them.
But then they couldn't release anything to.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Kill wolves, so they released the beast.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
That's how it feels like. It feels like they had
such a huge wolf problem. That that's how they you know,
you know China, that story about China trying to kill
those particular insects that were attacking their crops, so they
released all these birds, and then the birds became a
huge problem in China. Was like a real problem, like
a real historical like that, just like that. I'm kidding,
of course, that's just a funny thing. But I don't

(35:54):
know why, but they had a huge wolf problem. A
realistic reason why France was having this Carnelis dilemma may
have been the hunting of prey that wolves could no
longer hunt for, or maybe a series of epidemics that
hurt the livestock for a short period of time that
caused them to attack humans so much, you know, or
something like that. There could be a lot of reasons
wolf wolf hunters, Yeah, was a sought after profession, especially

(36:19):
in France. Other than military exploits, hunters were heroes in
the eighteenth century, the Jimbros of the era. Yeah, The
fact that wolf attacks were commonplace and that they tend
to hunt in packs, though not all of them, led
historians today and several of the hunters and royal members

(36:39):
at that time to believe that the beast just wasn't
one beast that much like regular wolves. The beast was
either part of a pack or it was a pack.
More on this later, maybe we'll see. One thing I
want to address is the reddish grayfir. I think part
of the spectacle from the Beasts of Javardan is how

(37:00):
unusual people found its color, maybe confusing the creature for
another like a hyena, for example. Many of the finer
details of the beasts were skewed by the multitude of
witnesses describing it in different ways. We will describe it differently.
For example, some said that the beasts had cloven hoofs,
or possibly that at the end of one of its

(37:20):
four limbs was tipped with a hoof. Others claimed that
it only resembled hooves because its claws were so heavy.
The next illustration on the show notes is from that
period of time, and here's the translation of what's written quote.
This is a figure of the monster capitalized which is
ravaging Javardan. This animal is the size of a young bull.

(37:43):
It attacks by preference women and children. It drinks their blood,
cuts off their head and takes it away. Two seven
hundred livre is promised to whoever kills this animal unquote.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
So and again this is in order in the show notes.
This is like a we'll call it like a newspaper article.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, it's like a wander poster almost in the newspapers
kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
That's quite a that's quite a report. Yeah, it's a
pretty sensational report.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
It's very sensational. Right, the whole cut off their heads things,
it's too much.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Shrink the blood cut off the head women, children, I
love it.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (38:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
That bounty translates to roughly twenty seven and thirty four
dollars today.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Oh okay, nice good. I was kind of wondering, Yes, I.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Know, I know you would be so, oh my god.
Side note on the sidebar, I tried to look up
because I was like, oh, maybe I should update the
up the amount quality to today because this was a
few years ago we did the show, and whatever program
I used to find out the original value of the
liver of France, I couldn't find it anymore today. Oh wow,
it was so hard. So I started, like, I'll just

(38:44):
keep the original number. Then I must have Is it
the euro today? No, it's not enough to call it
if something else. It's before even what uh oh, I mean,
it's even before francs because franks was the original French
currency before euro.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Right, but it's euro now, yes, euro.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Nine, But that's not enough to say that's accurate. E there, Right,
So I was trying to find the original like, it's
so hard.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
I kept the original number.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
It's so nice trying to look for it, right, right.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
I didn't try that hard either, let's not get twisted.
But I just went to a few cents anyway. As
with many things in life, we don't know for sure
when the sightings and attacks really began. But I'm going
to start with the first reported incident. I don't have
an exact name and date for this one, but in
early June of seventeen sixty four, a young woman was

(39:31):
tending cattle in the Merquois forest near the town of
Lagonne in the eastern part of Jabardan. She saw the
beast run at her. She described the beast like a wolf,
yet not a wolf. That's how she said it. Luckily
for the young woman, she was only injured, and the
bulls in the herd charged the beast and managed to

(39:51):
keep it at bay. The beast tried to attack again,
but the young woman lived to tell her tale. I
don't know if any of the cattle perished, that's not
on the report. Here's the first fatal attack, though. On
June thirtieth, seventeen sixty four, a fourteen year old shepherdess
Jean Boulat, was tending to a flock of sheep when

(40:12):
the beast killed her. The local parish kept a record
of her burial and handwritten note said quote in the
year seventeen sixty four, on the first of July was
buried John Boulay without the last sacraments, having been killed
by the ferocious beast. Present Joseph vigier At, John Rebul unquote.

(40:33):
That's the next qhoto. Folks, Wow, yep, the beast, the beast, right,
they their name checking it and they all got used
to it. They all got immediately nineteen sixty four, right
when attacks happened. The beast always wow. Very strange or
very I don't know, very accurate. Who knows, depending on

(40:54):
what you read very deliberate, deliberate. Yes, that's better to them.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
This is a thing, This is real.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I mean, this is like Twister country or like an Earth.
Is a big deal they have to worry about today.
They must tell everyone immediately right. Depending on what you read,
the total number of attacks could be as high as
over six hundred holy shit, with five hundred deaths attached.
On the lower end, the claim goes anywhere between sixty

(41:19):
to one hundred children and adults killed. Now I was
not that high. I was fortunate enough to found a
reliable website that collected all of the reports and made
a timeline, which is the most cohesive compilation compilation of
the information that I'll be using and that I believe.
The site has been copyrighted by France along with other

(41:41):
countries to protect authorship and history, so I find it privileged.
Let's go through. Let's go through some of this data,
which again occurred in the region of Jevadon from seventeen
sixty four to seventeen sixty seven. Right off the bat,
the Beast of Jebbadon managed to go on a killing
streak starting with John Bule in the summer until ob
Or seventeen sixty four, killing nine, mainly children from ages

(42:04):
twelve to fifteen years old. With certain creatures you could
depend on seasonal attacks, but not wolves, and certainly not
the beast. Winter did not stop any attack. Winter sorry,
what right? Winter didn't stop didn't stop any attack the
way a contagion would. Seventeen sixty four had a total

(42:24):
of eighteen deaths, five wounded, and only four managed to
get away unscathed. Some of the peasants were unarmed and
their ages were educatedly guessed. Seventeen sixty five was the
warst year. On January twelfth, five boys and two girls
were almost killed on the same day. Seventeen sixty five
had a total of fifty five deaths, twenty eight injured,

(42:47):
and fifty six near misses, and like I said, it
was the worst year by far. Seventeen sixty six had
eighteen deaths, thirteen wounded, and five scrapes. And the final year,
seventeen sixty seven had one death's left, seven wounded, and
ten got away without injury. The grand total of casualties
from my source has a list of seventy five untouched,

(43:10):
fifty three wounded, and one hundred and twelve deaths. It's
still still a lot, yeah, for an area with farm
people basically farm lands in Paris.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
True, right, this is a city of a million people.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
It's not It's not Paris at all. It's nothing like that. Wow.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, something is definitely happening for doesn't.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Might as well be an epidemic to them, right, that's
how man must be a disease, as close to a
disease as you can get when the death tolls is high.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Right.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Many sources believe that the likeliness likeliness of unreported attacks
is very high. But we don't know what that will
The real number could be. The number is definitely higher,
but unknown. Who knows how many more victims there were.
The next picture in the show notes it's something is
of something written in seventeen sixty four, relating to the
following a legal document from the parish records in a

(43:59):
villa called Roclay got to hope. I'm saying that right,
said the following about one of the many victims. Quote.
On the thirtieth day of the month of September in
the year seventeen sixty four, Magdalen Maras Marris was buried,
the daughter of the late Jean Ampachues sorry from Peerfish.

(44:21):
She was about twelve years old and staying with her
uncle John Baptize Maras, from a place called Tote in
this parish. Her body was found on the twenty ninth
day of the month, not on the neck and the breast,
by the ferocious beast which has been ravaging through this
diocese for five months. It ripped her throat out when

(44:42):
she was coming back to hurt her uncle's cattle homeward
at four point thirty in the evening. The rest of
her body, which was lacking an arm, ripped off and
consumed by the said beast, was laid in the cemetery
of this parish of Roclay, in the tomb of the
ancestors of her father present at this where John T. F. Jehan, Jean,

(45:03):
Pierre bouer Boat, I'm not sure, Pierre Martin, and the
son of late Antoine from the place called Tote, all
of them illiterate. I made these increase, the priests at Albignac.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
All of them alliterate.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I think it's I think he put that up just
because he is writing for them.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
I think that's why he's explaining why he's like their spokesperson. Yeah,
I guess so they're a notary or something, you know,
I don't know. So is there any ever refer any
Is there ever a reference to, like a fucking werewolf
with this goddamn thing, I mean, like ripping out the
throat to the tack.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
This is probably before werewolves were a thing.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Right, like aanthropy. I mean, I think I don't know
how old goes back forever.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
I think the story of Man, I mean, you're about
that all.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Do you remember, okay drinking whiskey. Oh, that's kind of
what I'm thinking of too as well. It was like
a werewolf. Yeah, that kind of situation easy to be
because it seems really intelligent.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
It does seem intelligent. Yeah, you're right. Well, we'll see
because I do have more examples. See you see how
intelligent this guy really sounds.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
This guy, this thing, this thing.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
The next picture in the show notes is of a grave.
The inscription reads here was devoured by the beast carabal
gayon June thirteenth, seventeen sixty five. This is one of
or maybe the last remaining grave with headstone that has
survived the centuries as connected to the Beast of Javardan,

(46:33):
so it's the last thing you can see today. Victims
of the beasts sometimes had their arms and legs ripped out,
though not all at once. A few of the victims
had been decapitated, which is supremely unusual for a wolf
or any animal to do, even if they wanted to.
It's a good point, This is a good time for
a little theorizing. There are several examples of missing limbs

(46:57):
when the beast attacks, which which makes sense for a
hungry or an angry animal. What doesn't make sense is
that wolve's typically traveling packs, and I find it hard
to believe that the beast alone was satisfied with an
arm here and a leg there, much less if there
were others accompanying it. The decapitations, which were featured prominently

(47:21):
on bounty posters and newspapers, makes it seem either false
reporting that amplified fear in the area, or that a
person was doing it post mortem.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
What do you think the postmortem thing would be? Pretty
fucking macabre?

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Pretty macarb yes, But also I mean they did torture
people on the masses of people.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
So true, Yeah, they had a stomach for a lot
more or a lot.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Of different let's say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, they
probably couldn't bathe our air that were.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
True.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
You know, I was looking at the picture that as
you're talking, and yes, it kind of caught me off
guard there, but yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, it's leffed
up either way.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Well, that's the point is that a lot of these
bodies are more intact than there than they should be
if there is a pack, so kind of this kind
of the spells maybe that there's a pack traveling with
the beast, you know, or if there is a pack
that he he's away from them a lot of the
times when he's hunting. It's one of the other, which.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
I feel doesn't happen. Like, I'm not an expert on
I wolves either pack and hunt and things, but I
would absume.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
I try studying for it, but all the classes were filled.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Yeah, I'm assumed that's not the way it happens.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
But yeah, right, so it's a little That's why you know,
I brought it up now, something to think about, folks.
People were afraid, and not just in the south of France,
but the whole country and others in Europe as well.
Wolf attacks, though usually normally sized and with gray fur
were common in many other places too, and Glenn had
a big problem with us too. By the way, the

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next two images were the first depictions published in newspapers
to help identify the beast. Since violent attacks is adrenaline
fueled and fast paced, it was difficult to get anything accurate.
Because of this and the accounts of specific attacks, publications
in the eighteenth century focused on showing the beast in action.

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Quote the rampage. The rampage of the Beasts of Javadan
was one of the first international news stories, first breaking
in the courier of nearby Auvignon. It was quickly taken
up by the papers in Paris and from there spread abroad.
A German print from seventeenth for September seventeen sixty four

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shows the beast looking more like a quadrupedal kangaroo than
a wolf or a hyena, attacking an improbably well dressed
man and a rather teutonic looking landscape. Unquote check the
show notes for that photo. That kangaroo is. I don't
think that's what the beasts looked like, but it's a
fun drawing. It is published in Paris. Where is the

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next pick? Depicts the growiness of the beasts, a lot
of just just pure violence to kind of harness that fear.
That's the next photo for you guys. A famous poster
of the time described the beast like this quote, reddish
brown with dark rich stripe down the back. Resembles wolf
slash hyena, but as big as a donkey, long gaping jaw,

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six claws, pointy upright ears and supple furry tail, mobile
like a cat, and can knock you over. Cry more
like a horse nang than a wolf howling unquote that's
how they describe or a chimera.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
It sounds so yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
A series of engravings made it into pieces about the
beast that showed its ferocity, but also how people defended
themselves and attacking the vile creature as well. It is
the tenth photo in the show notes the next one.
It was obleague time for the people of Jevodan, a
terrifying time. However, that didn't stop the people's resilience to

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the beast and the amazing acts of bravery that propped
the region and the country up. In seventeen sixty four,
John juvais I'm really mispronouncinous made a valiant attempt to
keep the beast from killing her son. It is said
that she jumped on the back of the beast after
taking her son's head in its mouth, though she managed

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to wrestle her child free. He did not survive the attack,
but John John was made a national heroine and a
print was made in her honor and is in the show.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Notes it is. I was just looking at it. It's
a cool picture.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
It's a cool right.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
The mother looks like a woman. I know a friend
about a wife.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Really yeah, yeah, yeah, tell me offline affair.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
It's a cool picture there.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Okay, all right, now I'm curious. See now you got
me curious anyway. Continuing during the four years, bounties were
offered from several places, and hunters took to the countryside
muskets in hand.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Quote.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
On October eighth, seventeen sixty four, hours after a mouling,
the beast was seen at Chateau de la Boma stalking
a herdsman. Hunters followed the animal into the estate's woods
and flushed the animal into the open. The hunters shot
a volley of musketfire into the creature, but after a

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single fall, the beast rose and ran off. Even children
were celebrated for taking on the beast. On January twelfth,
seventeen sixty five, the beast attacked ten year old Jacques
Portifi and a group of seven friends, raging from ages
eight to twelve. However, Portaphile led a counterattack with sticks,

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driving off the creature. The children were rewarded by Louis
the fifteenth and Portifhile was given an education paid by
the crown. Unquote, shit, that's a crazy story.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
That is cool.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
I got that one from History dot com. That was
a fun story. I imagine that. I imagine that scene
of the hunters shooting the beast as similar to those
cattle ranchers in Skinwalker Ranch how they describe shooting this
great wolf over and over without it phasing, you know,
and then running away absolutely and reminds me of that
one percent is what I was thinking.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
I didn't want to. I knew you were.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
I knew you were, but I also knew it was
coming up in the sunset.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
The hunters that injured but failed to kill the beast
on October eighth, seventeen sixty four, was spearheaded by a
man named Captain duoml. This is not how you pronounce it,
But I've decided I can't pronounce his name right, so
I'm just gonna say Duomo. Fuck that anyway. Spearheaded by
a man named the Captain Duomel along with his dragoons

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from Claremont or Clermont, They, as well as other alpha
dog hunters that visited Jabadan, were quite unpopular with the people.
You think they would be celebrated, but they weren't. They
tended to trample and destroy crops and refuse payment for
lodgings with vocal families. When builled, Captain Duommel in seventeen

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sixty four was not seen as a saving grace, but
he did provide a detailed drawing of what he says
the beasts look like. Check the show notes. Duamel described
the beast as having the chest of a leopard, the
legs of a bear, and the ears of a wolf.
He believed the beast was a kind of hybrid, possibly
originating from a lion. Kind of sounds like a Greek

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mythological creature to me, right, the chimera exactly exactly right.
His description of the beast is what's written in the
next photo in the show notes. That photo sorry that
phot I mentioned what.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Were what were? And I hate to ask this if
what were Dummel's crew named the well dragoons did dragoons?
Did dragoons sound like a good time, like a fun
time like they?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Yeah, they drink and they fuck, you know.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
So awesome. Yeah, they totally the dragoons to be.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I'll tell you that they were the gym brows of
the era. I'm telling you they were exactly that, exactly
that I said nothing wrong or inaccurate. Soon after King
Louis the fifteen awarded those children for fending off the beast,
the royal intervention commenced. I said before that seventeen sixty
five was the worst year in the death toll, but

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it also served to stir the public outcry and take action. Quote.
The children's heroics prompted the court of King Louis fifteenth.
King Louis the fifteen to send royal hunters to destroy
the beast. There was now a six thousand libre bounty
on the creature's head. The story of the beast, meanwhile,

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was spreading and covered in newspapers from Brussels to Boston, Yeah,
becoming one of history's first media sensations unquote in case
you're wondering, of course, six thousand livre is the equivalent
of roughly sixty five and twenty dollars today.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Nice bounty, Nice bounty.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
I mean to these peasants, if they killed one of them,
that's like forever. It's like a million to them.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Why did it take the crown so long to enact
something like that?

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah? Probably for a while. I didn't believe it. You
have to wait for a lot of reports. Is an
actual problem, you know, I'm guessing this kind of thing
takes time, tape, maybe rocracy.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Exactly three weeks after the portofis child survived the beast,
the King sent John John Charles marc Antoine Vaumel de
neval fuck I know, and his son John Francois and
his son Bill Bill. I wish I would kill for
a Bill in the story, dude, John Francois to deal

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with the crisis. They arrived in Jebadon on February seventeenth,
seventeen sixty five, bringing eight bloodhounds trained on hunting wolves.
Denibal was considered as one of the finest wolf hunters alive,
having some one thy two hundred wolf notches on his belt.
That's no slouch, no, no, no. Things did not go

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well for his respectability, however, because after four months of searching,
Denebalt turned up nothing and he lost his contract with
the court. As he was departing, he claimed that the
beast was no wolf. He may have meant that since
he was so good at tracking and hunting wolves, that
he should have encountered it, you know, in the four months.

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Or he may have just been embarrassed, you know, and
said what he said to say face. But who can say, right,
it does kind of make it a little more, little
more spooky. He said that on June twenty second, on
the day after one day, sorry, one day after the
beast killed another fifteen year old girl near Salse and
a fourteen year old boy same day. The King's blunderbus

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bearer like the gun bearer, Yes, a big yeah blunderbuss.
The King's blunderbus bearer and Lieutenant of the Hunt all capital,
that's the title, arrived at Jebadon. His name was Monsieur
Antoine de Bouterne, and he approached the hunting.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
I wish you could see oscars. You can't.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Fucking can't anyway, and he approached the hunting of the
beasts in a different way. He immediately began organizing hunters
and common folk. Common folk, by the way, it's not
a real word. I took that from George R. Martin,
just saying that he immediately began organizing hunters and common
folk to go forth in grooves to kill any and
all wolves, not just one wolf, all of them, in

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the hopes that one of them will be the beast.
It would take three months to find some results. But
if we follow the events in seventeen sixty five in
chronological order, something else happened that should be mentioned at
this point. I'm talking about another great feat of bravery.
On August eleventh, seventeen sixty five, twenty year old Marie

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Jean Valet, I'm so glad I can say that and
her little sister were crossing the River de Ja when
the beast came up behind her. As it reared up
to attack, Marie Jean, who had a bayonet attached to
a pole, managed to spear the beast in the chest.
According to her sworn testimony, the beasts looked like an

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unusually large dog, and when it was stabbed, It raised
its paw to the injury and cried out. The beast
then rolled into the waters of the river, and Marie
Jean and her sister kept their lives. This incident led
to a few things. Marie Jean Vallet was named the
Maid of Jeff Dan officially, and a magnificent statue memorializing

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her bravery was erected in al Verse in nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
It's a knife.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Uh huh wow, it's the next pressure in the show.
So if you want to see the statue.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
It's a cool statue.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
It is a cool statue.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
I didn't realize that it was supposed to be a child.
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah, twenty year old. Well she's not a child, right,
and back then that's the middle age.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
You know, she was.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Good point she was done, mate, kids and ship you're
not far off, probably not, especially with the beast running around.
That's an ancient age.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Might as well, do you have any advice for else?

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
But the fact that it supposedly grabbed its chest where
it was stabbed me. That's why I keep going back to,
like this is like a werewolf.

Speaker 6 (01:00:23):
There'sh you stabbed me. It was effeminate, right, it could
be you don't know, you know, it could be so
strange man. So her and her little sister were also
ingrained into the mythology, and you know the whole thing
about beasts of Jebbadon and interesting ways. But not hold
on to some of that info for now. Marie John's

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counter attack led to another bad thing or another funny thing.
It led to humiliation for the hunters royal or otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
The idea that a young girl could defeat the beast
before they could was seen as embarrassing, so they lit
a fire under themselves and doubled their efforts, which led
us to a possible win. Quote. On September twentieth, seventeen
sixty five, Monsieur Antoine, as he was universally now known,
killed his third and largest wolf, measuring thirty one inches

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high at the shoulder, five feet seven inches long, and
weighing one hundred and thirty pounds. That's I was written.
I don't know what it means.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
I feel like it's not that big.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yeah, I don't know, Yeah exactly, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
I'm doing the measurements by hand. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
The wolf was named the Wolf of Chizezu after the
nearby Abbey of Chazzezzu, someplace, I guess. Strangely, though, this
shooting did not take place where the beast had ever
killed anybody, and indeed it had never been seen there previously.
Monsieur Antoine stated officially, we never saw a big wolf

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that could be compared to this one. This could be
the fearsome beast that has caused so much damage. The
animal was identified as the culprit by attacked survivors who
recognized the scars on its body inflicted by victims defending themselves.
The wolf was stuffed and sent to Paris, where Monsieur
Atoine was called the hero, receiving a large sum of

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money as well as titles and awards.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Unquote, something seems fishy. I don't know, I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Yeah, it's little fishies. The next two images in the
show notes depicts Monsuur and Twine shooting the beast and
that stuffed version that was shown in court, respectively. So
if you want to see renditions, they're not photographs, folks. No,
there's no philographery, but just letting you know, game over right. Well, no,

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because this happened in seventeen sixty five, and there's still
another two years of slangs. So it should be noted
that Monsieur and Twine's killed did stop the killings for
a spell from late October to December two of seventeen
sixty five. When the next attack happened, people thought that
the bet Before the next attack happened, people thought that

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the beast was dead. There were cheering in the streets.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Probably you know, the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Attacks came back in full swing, but people didn't know
what this meant. Were there always two beasts? Were they related,
like from the same pack, or were they strangers to
each other? Seeing as Antoine's wolf was one of the
largest and recorded existence at that time and was found
in an area with no history of sightings and attacks,

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what accounts for the gap of attacks in late seventeen
sixty five? Was it the morning period of the other
wolf or something else. Despite all of this, the King
and the royal court chose to ignore the new attacks.
This is where they fuck up. They insisted that the
matter has been resolved with Monsieur Antoine's matt musket, and

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as far as I know personally, they did not lift
a finger to help any one anymore. As far as
I can find, damn there was nothing I could find
that may have given a better, more detailed reason for
such a decision, But I don't exactly think it was
politically motivated or laziness. It reminds me of Jaws, the
movie Jaws, when the mayor wanted to reopen the beach

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after a tiger shark was caught, not knowing or wanting
to know of any other bigger sharks in the water.
The human need to move on blinds people to the tooth. Sometimes,
that's roughly my thinking on it. Anyway, that makes sense, Yeah,
do you think that that makes sense?

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Right? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
The heroes reports they said a hunter, the hunter kills
a big as well, They're done right? Makes sense to me. Regardless,
the attacks continued. It wasn't until mid June of seventeen
sixty seven that a hunt was organized by a local nobleman.
During this hunt, a local hunter named John Chestell shot

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and killed the beast on the on the slope sorry,
on the slopes of Mount Muchet. Like the first beast,
this one was sent to be inspected and stuffed. This
next part of the story is a little strange, but
bear with me. A surgeon named doctor Boulanger no way.
That's how you pronounced it. I'm just doing it that way.

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A surgeon named doctor Boulanger studied the beast. They called
it nekruptcy back then. But it's an autopsy, okay. His
work was transcribed by a royal notary named Roche et
Tienne Marin, and the famous report is known as the
Marin Report. That's where this comes from. I had to

(01:05:37):
tap into the wayback machine to act as a copy
of this report, and unfortunately they didn't get an intelligent
translation of the old French because this is old or
French right text. But I'm gonna do my best to
recount the autopsy for you guys. At least part of
it interesting. So here it is because it's only like
three pages, luckily, but a lot of it is kind

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of weird. So quote mister Marquis the Apchair, having had
this animal transported to his castle of big Quiz, parish
of Charat, we judged it appropriate to go there to
check it. And being at the castle, mister Marquis de
ap Chair made us represent this animal, which seemed to

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us to be a wolf, but extraordinary and well different
by its figure and its proportions of the wolf so
that we see in this country. This is what more
than three hundred people from all surroundings who came to
see him have certified to us. He means that other
three hundred or so people that are gathering around this autopsy,

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that's what they're saying about it. Okay, so it's really
translated bad. Several hunters and many connoisseurs have actually made
us remark that this animal has similarities with the wolf,
but only by the tail and the back. Its head,
as we will see by the following proportions, is monstrous.

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Its collar is covered with a very thick hair of
a roossa tray gray. I guess it's the type of
gray crossed by a few black stripes. It has on
the chest a large white mark in the shape of
a heart. Its paste have four fingers. I think it's psychosis.
Its paste have four fingers, armed with large nails that

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extend much longer or much more than those of ordinary wolves.
They have, as well as the legs, which are very large,
especially those on the front, the color of those of
the deer. This seemed to us a remarkable observation because,
in the opinion of the same hunters, knowledgeable people and

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all of the hunters we have ever seen. It also
seemed about to observe that these cuts do not resemble
cuts in the coats the coat of the wolf. The
coats do not resemble that of the wolf, which gives
this animal the freedom to turn easily, meaning they find
it improblem of. This beast didn't have trouble turning its

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head around. That's how big and weird his neck was.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Yeah, instead of the coats of the wolf's being placed
obliquely do not allow this facility. It's just comparing it
to another wolf. Unquote. That's roughly what the section that
made the most sense, honestly. Okay, so there's a bit
of the description. It also gets into a lot more
in it, Like the report does give specific measurements, but

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the text is really confusing enough as it is. But
it interestingly enough, since the autopsy had a swarm of
people marveling at the beast, the report mentions testimonies from
those who survived the tax and recounted the loved ones
that perished under the beast's clause. So there were people
there screaming like, this is the beast that killed my
mom whatever. So it's a very must have been a

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crazy day.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Oh yeah, what a scene that is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
I can't even imagine an open air kind of autopsy castle.
Yeah right, A local castle who wasn't like a royal ones,
A local nobleman's castle, I think, which I don't know
the difference, but there is one I can tell you.
It's like the difference between jail and prison or something. Afterwards,
the nobleman who organized the hunt, Marquis Diapci, sent his

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servant Gilbert. It's probably Joebert, but I'm gonna say Gilbert.
His sent his servant Gilbert to take the beast to
Versailles and show it to the king. Arriving in Paris,
he went to stay at that hotel Rouche Fouco, and
couldn't yet deliver the beast because the king was not
in town. He was given the order that a naturalist

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named Buffonto Sounds Italian visit and examined the animal. This
is a royal taxidermist, but among other things, he was
probably a lot of things. His judgment was basically that
it was a great wolf with a few non wolf traits,
and that human remains were found in its stomach. The
unfortunate thing is that We don't know what he meant

(01:10:05):
by that, because he wrote no report. Gilbert said, I
know it. Gilbert said that the rate of decomposition made
it impossible to find out more. He talked about the
worms and the clumps of hair, and that the summer
heat only made the stench worse. Yeah, John Chastell did

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not accompany Gilbert to Paris, and nothing was presented to
the king because as soon as the Buffonto inspection ended,
the beast was buried. Gilbert complained about the stench that
he said he'd gotten sick from and had to stay
in the hotel for an additional fifteen days to get
past it. I think he just wanted a vacation, Gilbert.

(01:10:47):
That's what I fucking think has happened. I think Gilbert
Silvert's taken advantage. He's taken advantage. Yes, I mean I
might have too. Traditionally, a creature of this size and
popularity would have been in the collections of the Jardine
Jardine do rua right. It would have been a big thing. Yeah,
it would have been sent to Paris or Versailles, you know,
the two biggest spots in France. Instead, the beast was

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buried in the garden of the Hotel Rouche Rocau, where
the path of the trees and the pond are visible
at the center of an engraving. That hotel was demolished
in eighteen twenty five, but an illustration made in seventeen
thirty nine is available in the show notes. Yeah, yeah,
that's the right there with a pond with the fountains

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in the pond. That's where the beast was buried.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Got it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Okay, good to know it's the closest to a visual
will get out of it, right, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
There's no drone footage of this fucking place. Well, it's
good to know where the fountain. That's right, And you
look at the map in the show notes, that's where
the beasts supposedly was buried.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Obviously, say that doesn't look like that anymore because it
was demolished. But who knows what that place looks like now.
But wow, it's probably like a condo.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
John Chastel was well paid and honored for his services.
His rifle and signature is kept in the museum, but
a strange rumor did come up about Chestell, a rumor
that inspired more honorifics later on, but not just to him,
but to the beast as well as decades and centuries later.
I'm going to hold on to that for a spell.
I mentioned at the top of this that this is

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a close circuited story that it has an ending. For
all intents and purposes, Chastell must have killed the correct beast,
because no attacks continued after seventeen sixty seven. I should say,
no crazy amount of kills were done other than the
garden variety wolf attacks that the country was suffering from. Anyway,

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life was celebrated and moved on to the people of Javadon.
Even though our story is not over. I wanted to start.
I want to get into what modern professionals had to
say about the beasts of Javadon, get into some science.
Suprican quote historians, scientists, pseudoscientists, and conspiracy theorists are bread

(01:13:03):
and butter, absolutely have all proposed theories about what the
beast was. Among the suspects a Eurasian wolf, an armored
war dog, a striped hyena, a lion, some kind of
prehistoric predator, a werewolf. The werewolf is another or a
dog wolf hybrid, and a human like combo all three. No,

(01:13:28):
I'm sorry, A dog wolf hybrid with a human like
a human with the dog hybrid wolf. Oh, like an
owner and its pet. Oh okay, sorry, that's what they mean.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Got it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Got it like as far as suspects go, right, armored
war dog. Yeah, that's correct. That's probably terrible for that
time period. And we'll see. Of the candidates, the most
fanciful is, of course, the werewolf. Historian J. M. Smith
points out that Chestel purportedly used a silver bullet lay
the wolf, thereby feeding into the werewolf mythology love That.

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Also unrealistic is that the beast was an extinct prehistoric predator,
such as a bear, dog, dire wolf, or hyenodon. The
idea that such a large animal would evade detection for
thousands to millions of years is just two implausible. Smith
argues that's his reasoning anyway. In a nutshell. Others have

(01:14:26):
suggested that a human serial killer may be responsible for
the attacks. I mean, many of the beasts were sorry.
Many of the beast's victims were reported to be decapitated,
something few animals could do. While it is unlikely that
a killer would roam about for victims in broad daylight
wearing a beet steel costume. Those who support this theory

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believe that the human killer used an animal to carry
out the crimes. What was the animal? Some have speculated
that it could be unarmored war dog, which explains its
strange appearance, appearance, and why he was able to shrug
off musket shots. So what do you think? This is
a discussion point? Is a discussion point. So what do

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you think of the suspects? Bye bye by professionals.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
I wanted to be a werewolf so bad. I wanted
to That's why.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
That's why conspiracy into the scientists.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
I'm in love with the idea of a serial killer
but has trained some sort of a beast to do
his killing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
That's kind of cool, That's very cool. I've abas seen
him the show. Yes, have you seen season two? I
think I remember that one serial killer that has a
literal like like like a like like a bear, like
a bear exle skeleton that he uses to hunt people
and kill them, kill them with.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Like steel claws and steel jaws. He would do all
the violence, but he looks like a beast. I remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
It reminds me of that like one of what of
that you know? I don't know if you could make
that back then, But that'd be cool though, makes me
think of that that is cool, Like it could be
a human in this kind of outfit.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
You know, wow, are right, but then getting shot and
you know the girl stabbed, well, who.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Knows what kind of planting it would happen stuff like that.
But yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
But then again, the one that the girl stabbed is
different than what was outop seed and ultimately buried at
that hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Right, we don't know, true, we just don't know. I
don't know, yeah, or just.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Some some animal that went undetected for thousands of years.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
I personally think it is kind of a dire wolf,
like I think James Smith says, like, what are the
chances that this kind of creature would evade us for
that long ten thousand years? Because it's ten thousand years
roughly when they were became extinct dire wolves.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
I think that someone's right there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Yeah, so it's not too far off from us. It's
not compared to like a dinosaur, which is millions and
millions like, right, so that's way different. But I do
think it's possible.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
How thick were these woods the forest or.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
What I'm saying this is back then. Most people are
not just illiterate, not to mention like a people were
as generations in one spot. You know, they're not gonna
talk to fucking scientists. Then they don't know what that is.
You know, how do you know what? You don't know?

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
I feel like it's totally plausible that it could be
remnants of an older species. Of course, like the last ones.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Maybe you know that. I like that there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
I think the best I think is my favorite, even
though where wealth is cool.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Yeah, Wherewolf was the most fun, the most whimsical. The
gnarly one is a serial killer who trained some sort
of a baste, a large dog or whatever it was
to do his killing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
I mean, that's that's also kind of possible a little
bit right at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
The remoteness the surrounding forest. I mean, they have bigfoots
in the Pacific northwest of the United States and those
thick forests. Uh, I can see some, like you said,
the last remaining of something. Yeah, that's maybe that's what
I'm going with.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
I don't think CSI Jabadan was ready.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
They were they want.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
All right, back to the show, folks, back to it,
back to it. The wolf theory is the closest to
the fact that people have said most of the characteristics
and the fact that the time period fit makes it
most likely that the beast was a lone wolf. Could
there have been two? Yes, But the main thing that

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rubs against this theory is the frequency of attacks. It
is very unlikely that wolves attack and kill this much
and this often. Wolves with rabies would attack this to
this degree, But no survivors had any symptoms of rabies,
and an animal afflicted with rabies have a shelf life
of two weeks, not several years. So the theory has

(01:18:43):
a few holes in it. There's simply not enough genetic
evidence to find out the truth. Now let's get into
some legend crafting. I already mentioned this, but there was
a rumor that John Tristel, the hunter that killed the
second final Beast, used to bullets. It was something that
someone said after hearing Chestel say it. One of those

(01:19:06):
word of mouth things, but who knows who knows for
real how it started. This obviously has fed into the
mythology of werewolfs. This time period is a giant game
of telephone. Possibly it all originates from the beast. Javadon
and the Marjorite Mountains holds legendary significance to the werewolf mythology.

(01:19:27):
Quote the Beast of Javadon was a French legend that
supposedly takes on the appearance of a large wolf like creature.
This creature is fable to be very powerful and possessive,
almost like a demonic spirit. A normal man or woman
can open their bodies up to be possessed by the
beasts of Javadon Labette, that's what they call it, Labette,

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by drinking the water out of the footprint of a wolf.
They must drink the water straight off the ground during
a full moon. Once the spirit of Labette took possession
of the person's body, they would experience memory blanks, loss
of time which they cannot account for, fugue states, aggression, confusion, delusions,

(01:20:10):
and hallucinations. Supposedly, Labette was born from a continued line
of werewolves, where the male of each generation would have
the wolf gene in their DNA, and during a blood moon,
they would pass on the wolf power through a bite.
Labette was first fabled to be in the body of

(01:20:30):
a man named Josiah Lucille and his sister was the
one who killed him with a single spear crafted from
a mountain, from mountain ash and mistletoe. I don't know
how you make a spirit out of that, but whatever,
the spirit of Labette is the most powerful legend in France.
And when someone drinks the water from the print of

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a wolf and becomes Labet, their person gradually ceases to exist,
their memories, their essence is replaced by that of Josiah Lucilvee,
and his spirit seeks vengeance and all hunters and all
descendants of his sister the bloodline of Lusilvee. The name

(01:21:13):
silve can be translated to mean silver, which is coincidentally
the fabled element capable of killing a werewolf. However, silver,
according to this legend, doesn't kill a wolf, but simply
weakens it. Labette when after the modern descendants of his family,
who had the names of Silver, Silver Argent and Stilgent

(01:21:37):
Silgent Mabet. Josiah's sister was also known as the maid
of Jevodon quote unquote, So that's right. The twenty year
old woman I mentioned earlier in the story that was
crossing the Mountain river with her sister and managed to
stab the beasts in the chest with her bayonet was
manufactured into the werewolf mythos like the bloodline hunter again,

(01:22:03):
like the natural hunter. That's cool, you know, kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
That's a cool story, right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
How many countless movies and comic books and works of
art and literature depict the loupine curse in such a
way silver bullets, memory gaps, large wolves that kill humans,
et cetera. I mean thousands at this point. And so
the Beast of Jebvadon goes down in history is one
of France's biggest legends and joins the ranks of other

(01:22:28):
ancient creatures such as cebrus, pegasus, mantacore, basilisk and camera.
Now there's two more things I want to add in.
That was the original ending, by the way, that's the
original show. That's how it ended. But there's two more
things that I want to add in. Other than the
history and legends I've already mentioned, there's one famous rendition

(01:22:50):
of the Beasts of Jebbadon in pop culture, a movie
named Brotherhood.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
Of the Wolf.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Yes, have you heard of it?

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
I have heard of this.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
It was released in two thousand and one, made in
France by French artists so you know that's good. It
wasn't made here or anything. The two biggest stars in
the movie that you would recognize today is Vincent Cassel. Oh,
you recognize them if you see him. He's in a
lot of things. Yeah, do you think of a movie? Yes, Marine, No,

(01:23:22):
you haven't seen Marine. He was in one of the
Christopher Nolan's movies. He was in a bunch of things.
He plays a bad guy a lot. He was in
Black Swan. He plays a coach or the Instrucay.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Like kind of his faces coming out of the list.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
He has a very punishable face, like he's an asshole.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
I know the name, I know, I know him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
In the movie he plays a shady nobleman, so that's
not surprising. And the second famous actor is Monica Balucci.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Oh, sweet, sweet Monica Bucci.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Who plays a courtisan and she is making in the movie.
Like many of her movies anyway, she plays a chorus
son with hidden and possibly witchy motives in the movie.
The movie gets a few things right from history. It
depicts the bands of hunters coming into town, especially the
ones sent by the royal court. It shows the fake
kill of the beasts like the first kill that they

(01:24:10):
thought was real, but it wasn't. It shows the first
fake kill of the Beast and the king ignoring the
continued attacks. It mainly takes a conspiratorial and political turn
when you find out that a person is controlling the
beast uh huh, and that the attacks are motivated by
religious zealots trying to take down the crown or something
like that. The movie is bonkers. It features martial arts

(01:24:35):
which makes no sense to me, and a legit Native
American character that is used to commune with nature to
find the Beast in France. Mm hmmm, okay, right over
from America's Yeah, I'm not kidding auto, Okay, because you know,
I guess at this time they definitely France had territory

(01:24:57):
and so they were a no to us.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Yeah, that's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
They get into the real history about the guy and
everything in the movie. It's probably like super self serving
and racist, but I don't know, I'm not Native American.
The Beast itself is massive in the movie, like super big,
bigger than the HBO Dire Wolf.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
It's huge.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
It is armored, so that's funny. It is armored, though,
which is funny when historians hypothesize that a man with
an armored dog could have been responsible for the attacks,
and especially that the capitations the graphics are really bad.
Though this is two thousand and one compared to today's lens,
it kind of reminds me of the creature from the
Relic with Time size Mode.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
I do remember that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
You know how bad that creature look like? That's how
bad it is?

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
Oh graphics, Yes, I remember that because that took place
at the Chicago Museum, the Film Museum. I think it's
got to be fields. I think it's the film same. Yeah,
that that interests is iconic. That's right, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
The last Now, that's that's the movie. I do recommend it,
although although it's a little too long. It's on prime video.
It's over two hours though, but it's fun movie. It's
a fun movie though. And Monica blue Cham come on,
I mean she's not she's not the main character, but yes,
she's in it. So the last thing I want to
mention is the reason why I'm bringing this story to
you now as opposed to a later date where when

(01:26:14):
Jay and I are scraping the bottom of a barrel
for content. It is a recent news item involving dire wolves.
A company called Colossal Bioscience is announced in April of
this year that, through genetic engineering, an ancient DNA bred
three dire wolf puppies back from extinction. You heard of this.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
They're cute as fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
I wrote that in here.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
I just want to gobble them up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Their names are Romulus, Remus, and Khalisi. I'm not choking.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
I love it all. I didn't know that. Yeah, Romulus
and Remis, I mean that's a famous, famous story. Yeah,
and Calisi from Dragon.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Personally, Remiss sounds like that. You know, it's one of
Harry Potter's teachers, and it's looping looping loop hasn't were wolf? Yes, right,
that's what I think is from But that's right, right,
It could be I could be wrong though, anyway. So
ramin Is, Remiss, and Calisia are the names, which I
think helps tell you the age of the scientists, or

(01:27:15):
at least the owners of the company whoever named them.
These pups are super cute and are hidden away from
public view in some undisclosed location in the US currently. Okay,
if you're a believer like myself that the Beasts of
Jebbadan was a dire wolf that made it into the
eighteenth century. Then this may raise some alarm bells. This

(01:27:35):
feels like Jurassic Park little bit a little bit. You know,
they start like they're producing like crazy, and some you
know place starts hunting.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Next thing, we're going to be like the seventeen hundred
seventeen hundred frands in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
With a bunch of cross across uh ship class balls, thank.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
You get you know where, but getting by wolves walking down.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
You know, she's while we're waiting in traffic.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
What am I imagining? Is terrible? Anyway, Luckily I and
it looks like many scientists have doubts to this claim.
At best, this genetic breakthrough is a facsimile of a
dire wolf because it is being disputed. Oh yeah, it
is being disputed that even in puppy form, that they

(01:28:24):
should be looking differently than they are, Like, this is
not what a dire wolf would look like.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
That's what they had to mix the dire wolf DNA with.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
I'm about yeah, exactly, I'm about to get a a
zoologist in New Zealand call them genetically modified gray wolves,
not really dire wolves. Oh really, well, we're getting to
ancient DNA is impossible to use to fully generate a clone.
Using familiars like gray wolves to fill in the gaps

(01:28:53):
is prudent, but at best makes this a new species,
a crossbreed of that of some and a wolf species
we have on Earth today. It is known that dire
wolves when extinct around ten thousand years ago, which makes
their blood way more viable than a dinosaurs, but it
still doesn't quite get there genetically speaking. A sticking point

(01:29:16):
is what Colossal Biosciences has said about their technique. The
use of a direwolf's closest living relative, the gray wolf,
using targeted DNA sequencing, may not be close enough. The
divergence in DNA between dire wolves and gray wolves are
millions of years apart, not unlike us and certain ape species.

(01:29:37):
You know how we're like apart from apes and stuff. Now,
a podcast I listened to on this subject put it
in an apt way. I can't take credit. That's why
I mentioned as I listened to it in the podcast.
I'm paraphrasing here. Imagine someone took a species genetically close
to humans, like the bonnable and bread one without hair,
and then called it a human that's what the the

(01:30:01):
extinct direwolves are. That's how it feels like anyway, Damn
Colossal Biosciences hasn't released most or all of the underlying
science to help us see this better, which doesn't bode well.
Doesn't kind of speak very highly for them. It does
seem like a ploy to generate massive appeal to one

(01:30:21):
day be able to bring back either dire wolves for real,
if possible, or something else like a wooly mammoth, which
they said they want to do. They want to do that.
Current science hasn't been able to prove that dire wolves
were all that bigger than the wolves we have today
actually really uh huh, but that this company is trying
to do trying to make them bigger because of popular

(01:30:43):
perception of how a direwolf should look like, probably because
of Game of Thrones and stuff like that. The way
they name these pups kind of suggest that I wouldn't
exactly say that this is fake news or clickbait nonsense,
because they did manage to clone something kind of cool,
but ultimately it looks like a boutique piece of advertisement

(01:31:04):
for what Colossal Biosciences can do with enough effort. We
can all have a beast of Chicago and Toledo and Rome,
et cetera.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
Yeah, wow, well that's kind of a letdown with the
direwolf story. Yeah, I kind of heard it on the
fringes of my work week, you know. I was like, oh,
that is that's really cool. Scary but very.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Cool at the same initial thought.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
And I guess I should have thought about it. They're
going to have to mix that DNA with something, so
it's not a pure direwolf. Obviously I didn't. I guess
I just didn't give enough thought at the time. But yeah,
that lets me down a little bit, right. It seems
like it's a cash grab.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
And also it does seem like they're genetically making what
is a popular belief of what iwolves should look like,
not exactly what they looked like in the past in
our real life history.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
Game of Thrones influenced cloning. It's scary, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Yeah, yeah, because those wolves are so much bigger. But
scientists are saying that dire wolves of our past were
not that much bigger than regular wolves.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
Which again is news to me. I thought dire wolves
were huge.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Yeah, I thought that's five. I made something contested They
just don't know for sure, but they don't think that
it was that much bigger. Interesting Also, it's much harder
like for mother nature to support large animals. There's a
reason why large animals are going away. It's just the
habitat of.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
There's a reason why large animals can't exist anymore, the
reason why elephants and tirafts are going away too, because
it just does not support huge animals like that. The
more mass you have, the more you have to eat
and consume and ship to keep it going. It just doesn't.
It's not as food and nature will make them extinct
at some point. You know, it's natural, that's said, which
makes sense why I'm saying dire wolves were probably not

(01:32:48):
as big as we think they are. They were h
You know, I would still want one. Oh yeah, and
unarmored warde. I will take a puppy dire wolf and
a heartbeat.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
Walking down the street with two of those boys. Dire wolf,
I have to keep a arm but yeah, armored war dog.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
I would sell my soul to make money so I
can get it in a state and ship. I got.
That's the one reason to make money.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
I got.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
What I should care about making money if I had
a dire wolf and give it running space.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
The names are so cool Khalisi, yeah, Game of Thrones
and Romulus and Remiss. That's that's an old Roman story.
They were brothers, okay, weaned by a she wolf. Okay,
but that makes there's the time, so very cool names
that they chose for.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
These, that's so funny when I thought of Remiss, Harry
Potter and Momulus. Well, it's a movie that came out
last year, but that's.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
All fun story. Yeah, I love cryptids. Yes, I do
remember covering this for Patreon. I'm glad you freshened it
up and made it different, brought some new information. Yeah,
that's great. Definitely check out Brotherhood or The Wolf.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Yeah, it's a fun movie. It doesn't make sense, but
it's a fun movie. Doesn't have to now, it doesn't.
It's two thousand and one. It was a different time,
but you know this.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
It has a victim profile almost it does.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
I mean very exclusively humans, young humans, catchable humans. But yeah,
humans on.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
The left bypasses the animals so far as we.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Know, right, I mean today it would go after dumb, bigger,
even bigger animals like you have cattle and bicyles get
bigger than humans, they more meat to them. Why wouldn't
right back, Why wouldn't you go after them? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
That's what makes it so intriguing. There's a profile ignored
the other animals, slowly, dumber, bigger animals, and just went
after it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Also seems like the beast was maybe just released there,
Like how did travel and stop there? What made it
stop there? If it was traveling from somewhere, or was
it just like capture it and then released there? You know,
I don't know, you know, who knows?

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
Did it come from? It was an interdimensional right?

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Or does something more akin to what we talked about
doing our you know, our Haunted Forest episode regarding our
national parks. Is it something related to that, a creature
from that kind of thing? We just don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Oh I ever thought of that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
I always I always think about that and all of
our shows, like how is it related?

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
Is it possible you know, to the missing for one? Yeah?
Very good, dude, Yeah, it's very interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
So that's the Beast of Jebbadonna. And hopefully I never
have to say another goddamn French thing in my goddamn life.
You know, I have this story is kind of like, uh,
it's a it's a little bit thanks to and in
part by nine part by but for a friend of
mine who is French. I told my friend Jean, who
is French. I told her, like, watch out for this
episode because I'm gonna butcher your language.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
Is she gonna listen?

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
I told her to listen.

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
Love it and she better. Hi, Jean, Yeah, nice to
meet you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Yeah, she live in Ohio, so we'll get a show Ohio.
I always make whatever for a living. Anyway. I hope
she gets a kick out of my bad French. But
here it is.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
It was great, It was great. I appreciate the story.
Appreciate you. Let me be the passenger princess today of course.
And uh, I guess we'll be back in a month
with another story.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
Yeah, god knows what. I don't know, Jay, why don't
you take us home? It's raised what prompted him to
do it?

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
I mean, I mean when we get to our age,
I mean I should have gone two years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
Our age, you mean your age. We're in a different age.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
You're not far behind.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
I'm kidding, of course, we're in the same age, Kip.
I'm saying, you know, I call you old.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
Yeah you do.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
I say, the sooner the better. Let's just get over
with and I'll just say that. But give me an
excuse to jump off a bridge, please, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
Pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
Yeah, and just give me a reason.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
I'll do all.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
Tony Scott, remember Tony Scott, the director of True Romance
and Man on Fire and Days of Thunder. That guy, yeah, yeah,
he found out yet got cancer and he jumped off
one famous bridge. I forget no.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Yeah, holy shit, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
Pretty sure he did that. That was Billy Scott's brother.
They were both like famous, they're both famous.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
Wow. Fuck, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
Can wait to see what kind of alcohol be having
at the resort. Yeah, it was all inclusive with alcohol included.
What got do is bring tip money.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
Just be careful. Sometimes they laced that ship. You hear
stories all the time of tours.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
Nah, it's just horror stories. It's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
They're true. Though.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
It happened fine, and nothing's gonna happen to me. I look,
I look about as rich as I look. You know
what I'm saying, Like, I'm not gonna be a target.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Well, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
I guess I'm really protected by what bottom of the
barrel community person. I am like, it's really protecting me,
Like I could be a criminal. That's how much I criminal. Yeah,
but I just don't have the heart for it. Just
don't have it because have fuck people over.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
You're not high on the I.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
Just can't fuck people over like that much because I
don't want that on swinging dark triad.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
Yeah, you're not high on the dark triad scale.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's right. I mean I am according
to them.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
According to them, you're ready to like fucking kill people. Yeah,
you're one step away from killing people.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Fucking s give me one more bad day, right, It's
like they're breaking bad thing. He wouldn't have become such
a fucking murderous kingpin if you just had health insurance. Bitch,
you don't eat it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
Tobacco, you know the when I was younger over by
on Central and Palmont, which is not far at all
from where I grew up. Yeah, there's a there's a
store there still there. It must in there full of

(01:39:00):
them as a cowboys store. Have you seen it?

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
You know, it does sound familiar.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
It's pretty osensations Like this ship up front all the
time is a big sign I do forget the name
of it though, but it's it's very cowboy themed. I
would go in there sometimes just to smell the leather,
which is like an onslaught to you when you walk
in there, I was like, this is the only and
I still have only seen that. I've ever noticed any
other ones, you know, in general.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
I think I do remember which one you're talking about, right, Yeah,
you smell smell backed And they're thinking about three days
a week in twenty twenty six two, I'm okay, is
this up rollback to the old days?

Speaker 4 (01:39:38):
Like, is this.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
Like the reason is only two days just because of COVID?

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
Yeah, it's because people like to work from home.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Well yeah, and these companies, And I can't imagine a
company is saving money by letting that happen.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
By the way, Google's calling everyone back, I think I
think Musk called everyone back and fired people who didn't
come back and shit like that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Yeah, but it's stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
You.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
I don't see hybrid. I'm okay with either fully remote
or hybrid. Were Yeah, two days.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
That's my point. That's better than the old days than
having everyone come in every day. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
I couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
So I'm just saying, like that's a step back now,
Like that's just the one positive thing of COVID if anything.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
You know, Yeah, it showed it showed that people can
work outside of the brick and mortar corporate office and
still get things done right. No, it's not for everybody.
I mean, you weed people out, I would say pretty quick.
But and for those who could manage it, it's great.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Yeah, not everyone can not everyone can't work in office either.
You know, it's the same problem. It's just that those
people weren't known before.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
But office is eyes around the people, so they'll you know,
they'll work. They might fucking hate it, but they'll work
because they're being watched at home. Some people just fun.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
That's the thing is that the ones that are demanding
that return to the old days, it just seems to
be like just the way to micromanage people.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
I think so. And they're probably locked in leases and everything,
and they got to justify having this expensive lease on
a on a commercial property.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
So everyone came back much less likely by now. Leases
don't last longer than a few years.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Corporate's different though, is different. Yeah, these big commercial facilities
and signed the lease for all right, we'll give you
a great deal if you signed for ten years. Okay
they do.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
So no, Okay, well that's a different story. I guess
you could want to out to something else. I don't
know why they're trying so hard. Yeah, but a hybrid
at least better.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
They almost wouldn't hate. I don't think I would hate
going to Milwaukee two days a week. Milwaukee is not
a bad city. It's not the fucking Loop, Thank god.
I hated commuting to the loop.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
Well, you hate the commute the loop itself.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
When the loop is overcrowded and you can't you can't move.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
Yes, that's someone a downtown to nowhere Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
Yeah, downtown Milwaukee is way more laid back, way more chill.
So I don't think I would mind commuting there two
times a week. I don't think that be bad.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I get what you're saying to me.
Loop is great when you don't have to drive there,
or the downtown is or can't be great if you
don't have to drive there and money is in a
bigger show, so.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
You don't have to drive, you don't have to park.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
Yeah, that's Otherwise it's great, it's awesome, but I don't
find it too uh for me.

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
For me, I'm not a fan.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
I'm not a homeless mind reader either. It's not like
I know how to avoid him or anything like that.
But they're not a big pom to me. They never
bothered me that much. This is the only time when
this is the first time we haven't. We're not going
to go out right because of your swabbing. You're swabbing life. Yes,
please say that to the guy who comes in. Actually

(01:42:44):
say even better. They always enjoy a joke like that. Yeah,
you know the other so I make because I make
jokes like jokes like that, and there's always a chance
you're going to be see a creep according and make
a joke like that. But like example, like the other day,
I went to this house.

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
Over in.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Man near the border to Wisconsin. I was like Antioch
or something, strapping off this nice house, dropping off this
order and the mom I guess ordered. It was taking
a while to get to the door. And they had
all these animals there, like two at least two cats,
at least two dogs, and something else. And they had

(01:43:26):
two kids, toddlers. One of them was as buck naked
as a little girl. She was running up to me saying, Hi.
I'm like, get your mom. He's like, oh, I'm so sorry.
She's she's naked or lad like I didn't I close
out that age either, I get it. I don't know
way well that's some saying, but she laughed. I don't
know if it was courtesy. But yeah, so but you
have to you have to, you have to, you have

(01:43:47):
to try it. So I yes, please do. I mean,
I'll just come up and do it for you if
I just want it done. I just want this joke, said.

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
She sounds so I'm coming cute actually, because she was
supposed to come at five tomorrow because I originally was
gonna work, but I'm like, I'm gonna be drinking before then.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
I took off.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Can you come before noon? Yeah, so I moved into
eight thirty all right, right, you're right, so.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
I can maybe go back to sleep for an hour
and then start drinking around noon. And I don't want
to fuck up my dad, so I had to come
at eight.

Speaker 4 (01:44:22):
Thirty in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
That's so funny because I'm usually.

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
Up when the goddamn my mind is always racing. I'm
usually up. Now it's got to be like five o'clock
and I struggle.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
I fight.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
The first thing I do is I wake up.

Speaker 4 (01:44:33):
I say fuck you, and then I try to go
back to sleep for the next two hours.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
It's terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
I mean, you know me, you know my feelings about sleep.

Speaker 6 (01:44:43):
I hate it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
I wish I could do more of it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
I mean, if I could do it infinitely, that's fine,
turn this off, it would be great. Well if again,
if I could do it infinitely, that's great. But waking
up is the worst part about sleep, and trying to
go to sleep is also the worst part. So yeah, no,
I'm terrible. And the sleep at oh it's great. But
song as this forever I was gonna say to that shit,

(01:45:06):
yeah it's gone. Also, I could just read the script
super fast.

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
Okay, No, no, if anything you in the past, you
to tell me to go slower because I be too
fast sometimes. So how do I.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
How do you you just sit back, be a passenger, princess?

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
Okay, I'd be like, askuld take the wheel.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
I mean, say we're back and the lights are flowing.
Whatever you say, and yeah, I'll get it. Okay, yeah,
obviously say that part. I guess if that's what you mean,
and I'll start Okay, I've been recording to the students
in five motherfucking four, motherfucking two. Hold on, it's this
bar called Never Have I Ever?

Speaker 4 (01:45:53):
Really have you heard of it? No?

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
Oh, okay, it may sound like you know, yeah, it's
this one is themed to nighty slasher horror. WHOA, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I don't know if I'm gonna go, and cause, I mean,
they encourage it, but you don't have to.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
So what's the bar Never Have I Ever? What's it?

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:46:11):
What's what kind of bar is it?

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
I mean, it's a regular dive Chicago bar really that
doesn't look that much special, But if we say they
they dress it up in tier and then there's a
huge back room where all the dance floor is, and
they have enough stairs on the back that only because
a lot of only fans, girls and porn actresses go
to these things. They they're partner're highlighted as co hosts,

(01:46:35):
and out there's where the DJ's at too, and they
all hang out there and they dance on the stairs
in front of all of us while the partners happen. Yeah,
pretty much, I mean not like totally, but like pretty yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:48):
Nice, good for those only fangirls. Yep, it's very nice.
What where is it by?

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
Never have I ever?

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
I'm really bad with this. It's it's on Lincoln and
something but Lincolns so big. I don't is Lincoln Park,
Lincoln the street? I don't, just don't remember where.

Speaker 3 (01:47:11):
I'll tell you this.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
It's fifteen minutes of my house. That's what I know.
The Biograph Theater. No, I think it's by a college
though maybe it's the Paul, Maybe it's maybe it's all there. Yeah,
because I recognize a campus on my way there.

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
I like. I like the name. It's kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
Yeah, it's a great name. Right, It is a name
I love that I never heard of it before before
these events. And that plays up until five am. That's
the longest I've ever seen it. When I when I
leave them, there's like dad out there because when I
get in there it's like busy as fuck. But I'll
leave it's all that because everywhere else is closed.

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
What kind of people or is this your first time?

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
No, No, it's like a third time.

Speaker 4 (01:47:50):
We'll have people. Are all the college kids.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Or yeah, yeah, definitely younger than me.

Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
It sucks doesn't it like when we go out over here,
not for me.

Speaker 5 (01:47:59):
I hate that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
Oh man, I can see what you would hate. I
meant not hate it, but I do.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
I do sense. I do sense the uh that the
spirit disparity. Yeah, I do sense that age chap because
because they sense it and there as being because they're young,
they don't know how to hide anything. It's obvious to
us when they notice that we're older or I'm older.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
Right, But I don't give a ship and the whole
purposes that they don't give a shit. Eiother to carry
is dancing, and I don't bother them.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
I don't bout me. Okay, although sometimes they bother me
or sometimes they dance with me or what.

Speaker 4 (01:48:34):
But but no one starts ship.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
No, I haven't seen anything bad. I have not seen
anything bad.

Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
Those generation is different.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
It's weirder. I'm not weirder. That's not very because the
generation was more violent. Oh yeah, that's the one thing
I was gonna say. We all tell me more. Also,
I think we were hornier. Not a lot of stuff
going on that I'm used to that. I was used
to him when I was twenty really Oh yeah, wow, dude,
I used to go to Alasco's. Heard Alasco's. It's a
little shitty die bar that doesn't exist for a long time,

(01:49:02):
but I used to go there every weekend. People would
fun on the dance floor. Oh my god, I almost
did too.

Speaker 4 (01:49:08):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
It was very, very growdy, very seedy, shitty little thing.
It was over on on brentmar By Blue Angel Restaurant. Yeah,
it was around there.

Speaker 4 (01:49:21):
Isn't that a suburb?

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
Yeah, it's like Norwich or Harvard Heights. Yeah, I forget.

Speaker 4 (01:49:29):
It was on the Niles or something.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
What's the big street.

Speaker 7 (01:49:32):
I think it's been more.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
Maybe it's Milwaukee or what's that street.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
Yeah, I'm thinking Blue Angel was like Niles Central Displains
or no.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
Oh no, they're going too far. No, no, this was
no yeah, because Blue was on Central right before the
Highway was on Central. Foster was right there, and that
Lawrence I think.

Speaker 7 (01:49:51):
Was right there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
It's like a six corner thing. It's by a cop station.
It's by the big Blue Line station over on.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
On Laurence.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
There there's like a box two blocks away from that. Okay,
so it's it's technically suburbs, but it's like on the edge. Obviously,
it's definitely not. I remember, yeah, I mean it's gone too,
that's gone, is it really? Oh yeah, it's been gone.

Speaker 4 (01:50:13):
Wow. Oh yeah, I remember them having good food, like
I remember liking it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
I used to go there as like my you know,
if it wasn't Denny's, we would go there for our
drunk knights. No ghetto nugget, dude, well get ghetto nugget
became expensive. Oh yeah, I'm still expensive.

Speaker 4 (01:50:27):
We loved going there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
Oh, I loved go yeah, go get a nuggets too.

Speaker 4 (01:50:31):
But you still ask me, oh, let's go to ghetto nugget.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
Oh I would go.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
But like Denny's and Blue Angel, places like that were
like drunk places to go after drink, right, yes, soak
up some pancakes.

Speaker 3 (01:50:42):
Right right, mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
I don't see a lot of kids doing that stuff.
But also it's a much more corporatized world. I don't
know how they look at it. They probably look at
it way different than we do.

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
It is strange. Yeah, we're a strange bunch.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
But some things like at more easier better than we did. Like,
it's a probably a good thing they're not as violent.

Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
Well yeah, yeah, it is a good thing of.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
Doing.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
You're wrong. I I, for example, the one great thing
about our violence, so to speak. And by the way,
we were nowhere near as violent as our parents. This generation,
they were more violent, you think. I'm pretty sure. I'm
pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
I mean I wasn't there.

Speaker 5 (01:51:21):
You were there, you tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
But but here's the thing. The best thing about the
violence that I guess that we were used to we
didn't immediately sue people for it, you know what I mean.
We didn't merely turn up a fuss. A barfight's just
a morphed. Nowadays, if that did happen to this younger crowd,
they would do something about it. And that's to me,
that's that's that's as just a pussy move to me.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
But that's.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
That's not all I really sue everyone. Then, yeah, but
your gen x, I think, Solia.

Speaker 3 (01:51:59):
Somber were you left off?

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
Of course? Right here, I finished. I finished a paragraph,
so I don't start in the middle of Okay, five
for three it was a bleak time. Mm hmm, Okay,
now I'm gooding sure, like was that was that the paragraph?

Speaker 5 (01:52:18):
House?

Speaker 2 (01:52:21):
That's good? I'm good. I woo give me two.

Speaker 5 (01:52:27):
Let it out.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
Sometimes I like listening, and sometimes I hate this thing, like, well, yeah,
if you have a bad back, it keeps you back
nice and straight because this is quite hard.

Speaker 4 (01:52:39):
But it's also quite hard.

Speaker 7 (01:52:41):
My problem is that I am unable or it's very hard,
very very very hard.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
You sleep on my back?

Speaker 7 (01:52:49):
I see, I see the place down.

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
Oh you do. Yeah, I'm a side sleeper for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
I can't now you're on your side, not unless I'm
really drunk, if I can passing out or something, or
if I'm really sick, like I can. I can sleep
on my back man for some reason, because it's easier
breathe or something. But I can't, like I can't fall through.
And I know I know exactly why though, because I
used to be able to sleep on my back like
a regular human for many years. And then around in

(01:53:18):
my late teens, I got scared, like I like, I think,
on two occasions, not in a row, but like on
two occasions, I woke up unable to breathe. I thought
I was dying, and it was gett a shit out
of me. It would break me up in a start.
So I thought that it was hard for me to
breathe like this, like sleeping it so I started sleeping

(01:53:40):
on my side, and then I ended up evolving into
sleeping face.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
I mean for some people, you know, if you're overweight,
or if you have just large consoles, or you know,
just wait around your neck area.

Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
Yeah, I mean you can't touch.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
Yeah, I know that is the thing now. But then
it was just like an irrational fear. I didn't know
there was things attached that'll that'll less. I mean, that'll
like what it is that proven I never found out.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:54:03):
You know what I'm saying, going through that will last mentally.
Oh yeah, you don't want to do it. I get it.
Oh yeah, it fake me the funk out. Oh I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
And everything you hear about like sleeping, like you shouldn't
sleep on your like you're supposed to sleep on your back.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
I'm like, oh, I follow asleep on my back. I
never wake up on my back. I'm always on my side.
I actually have a mask.

Speaker 7 (01:54:23):
I mean that time we stop together, you're stayed in
one place, I have a h.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
Tell me about that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:54:34):
Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I love it. And you
people that use it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
I love that ship. I know I found any of
you with Jack Black, he has one right, like, oh,
he uses blund He's like, he's like, you can't think
without it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:43):
Yeah, it's it's like I think I'm gonna die without it.
It's great.

Speaker 3 (01:54:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:54:46):
And plus I was a snoor Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
So Katie sleeps like a log down because your mouth
stays closed because you can breathe like this.

Speaker 4 (01:54:54):
You don't have to open your mouth to breathe. Right,
So I'm quiet and wall.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
She's a happy sleeper.

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
Or was she waiting up pretty heavy? Was she wakes
and she's already hearing so for me to wake her up?

Speaker 5 (01:55:07):
At what means?

Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
I was solid?

Speaker 7 (01:55:11):
So when I started, does a log song really sounds
like a snaller?

Speaker 3 (01:55:16):
I guess. I guess what am I supposed to say?

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
I could just start cut it when I said, here
we go home so bad, I'll cut it before that anyway,

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