Apple Drops Intelligence... 🤯

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Apple is dropping intelligence. They no longer have intelligence. Ladies
and gentlemen. Here we are welcome back to day Load's
at TEG live on YouTube. Hope everybody's having a great day.
Because Apple has been working on their own large language
models for a while, so I think dropping it through

(00:24):
beta within a beta. That's kind of the funny thing.
This is through iOS eighteen dot one. It's a public
and developer No, I think it's developer beta mainly. But
my point is the public can't access the developer beta,
and you join a waitlist in order to not overwhelm
Apple Zone servers. Even though I thought these devices were
supposed to be running the large language models mostly locally,

(00:47):
there's still a waitlist within the beta. Most people have
been able to get on it and access it pretty quickly.
Hi Ethan Davis, Think Davish, thank you for fourteen months
of support to answer your question very quickly. Did I
install iOS eighteen beta on my main device? Well, no,

(01:10):
because I still have the old fashioned type to Siri interface.
But that was the funny thing seeing all these new
sites talking about now you can type to Siri by
pressing down on the home bar at the bottom. It's like,
this is an accessibility feature. Anybody can do this on
iOS seventeen's I've already changed mine. I just hold the
side button and I get a much cleaner type to
Siri animation. The new ones are actually very bubbly, very

(01:33):
clean as well. But no, I'm not installed. I've not
installed it on my main. I was actually directly advised
from others who had installed eighteen dot one on their
mains not to do it because most of the cool
features are not working yet. So they haven't rolled out
all Apple Intelligence features as of right now, but they
have rolled out, in my opinion, the most basic, simplistic ones,

(01:57):
for example, the photos updates, where you can like search
your photo library for very specific things like show me
all the pictures of my I don't know daughter jumping
in a pool and it would just find those pictures,
or looking through videos to find specific chemo like show
when this person is jumping on camp in a video

(02:21):
and it can find that. But I have it is
still in beta, mind you, this is still not out
of beta. This is still not available for anybody who's
not on beta. And there's still things that are getting
error messages or not working. Probably the most noticeable one
that just affects the most amount of things across iOS
eighteen though, has to be everything involving proofread in text,

(02:44):
so you can write a text, or you can write
an email, highlight all of it and then select, like
you know, make this nicer, make the summarize this, make
it shorter, make it more professional, the kinds of things
that we've seen before. And to answer Nicholas's quicktquestion in
the chat, yeah, they basically haven't integrated chat GPT yet.
But just to be very clear, this is a good

(03:06):
example the fact that Apple is rolling out large language
models now to their devices so that everyday people can
now test them and use them and see what they're
capable of doing. And yet they're doing all of this
without any help from Chat GPT, which I hope kind
of silences and shoots down kind of the quick knee

(03:26):
jerk reaction from Elon Musk as soon as Apple started
talking about Apple Intelligence, he immediately thought that chat GPT
was being integrated on the system level, and he was
going to ban anyone from his company for using chat
Apple Intelligence features, or he was going to ban everybody
from using iPhones, which was just a ridiculous, silly notion.
I also personally predict Elon wouldn't last two days on

(03:50):
an Android phone, just seeing how basic things in iOS
drive him nuts. If he tried to switch to an Android,
oh my god, he would quit quickly, in my opinion,
especially with how much he uses Twitter, he would quickly
realizes how horrible Twitter is on Android or how little
Twitter has prioritized that Android. Maybe it'd be a good

(04:11):
thing for Twitter users who want to use Android anyway.
So chat GBT is not integrated yet, but once again,
even when it is integrated, it's not at the system level.
It's not like chat GBT has a backdoor way to
access your phone. You have to manually hit yes, let's
use chat GPT. Siri can basically suggest using chat GBT

(04:32):
if it wants to. It doesn't require you to make
an account. They can't build a profile on you because again,
it's an anonymous question, so they're not allowed to know
which phones are asking which thing, where those phones are, who,
what type of person is asking that kind of question.
It's just kind of an anonymous general request that's being

(04:52):
asked to chat GPT, and again you have to manually
approve it. Every single time it gets used. Oh my god,
Chris Norton, that was completely unnecessary. As usual, you just
said have some cash, didn't even ask a question. Seriously,
very very generous, very very kind of Chris, and completely unnecessary.
So thanks again. YouTube. Still need that refund button so

(05:15):
I can stop Chris Norton from the random super chats.
Don't we all need a Chris Norton in our lives.
I hope everybody can find someone in their life as
generous as Chris Norton. Anyway, kind of the classic example
you can see in Apple Intelligence are summarizing an email. Also,
they did roll out the new reduce Interruptions focus mode,

(05:37):
which I don't know some people were trying to test this, which,
if you're unaware, it basically will send you notifications for
things that Apple Intelligence deems is vital and important, and
not notify you for notifications that it deems as unimportant
or not that time sensitive. Now, I'm sure in theory

(05:58):
this probably works most of the time, but I don't know.
Like large language models have been known to be unpredictable,
especially between software versions, where they will make obvious mistakes,
to the point that Apple even themselves and especially on macOS,
has been shown like when you ask Apple Intelligence a
question and the same thing happens with Meta AI or

(06:20):
groc or chat, GBT, Gemini, any one of those things
where you ask it a question and it'll immediately respond
with you know, the details might be off, like, don't
trust this entirely. You know it's AI, which might make mistakes,
which is why I would have a hard time trusting
inn AI filtering my notifications. Personally, I'd be worried that, Okay,

(06:44):
it's using some large language model to figure out that.
If I get a text from my sister that says,
you know, I am drowning right now, Okay, let's notify
him for that. But if it's a text that says, like,
you know this video I watched. Here's a link to

(07:04):
a video I watched that I thought was funny, and
it just decides, okay, don't send that video because that's
not time sensitive, but do send that I'm drowning notification.
In theory, I get why it should work, and I'm
not even trying to say it won't work. I'm guessing
ninety five percent of the time it would work. I
just wouldn't trust it for that last five percent of

(07:25):
the instances of like, what if someone texts me in
a non urgent manner something that's very urgent, Like they
don't use all caps, they don't use exclamation marks, but
they say something like I don't know. What if my
wife texts me that, like, you know, my car, the
car on self driving hit another pothole or or something

(07:46):
like that, Well, guess what self driving got me stuck again?
And what if she phrases it in a very casual way,
so the phone decides that that's not an immediate necessary notification.
So all I'm trying to say is it's kind of
a show off feature of like let's see what a
large language model, or let's see what Apple intelligence can

(08:08):
figure out based on reading my own text messages, which
also feels kind of creepy. I know there's not a
human being and it's done on device and everything, but
still just knowing that Siri has to analyze the context
of every notification to try to figure out which ones
are important which ones aren't, I don't know. I don't

(08:29):
really get behind that. I'd probably never use that focus mode,
even though most of the time I'm sure it works,
just for that little edge case of it maybe misinterpreting
a sarcastic text or not interpreting a text correctly. I'm
more like, you know what, I'm either going to be
on do not disturb or disturb. Right now, I'm on

(08:49):
disturb mode because I have the car today, but my
wife is still at work. So if she had a
change of plans or she needed me, yeah, I would
want to get notified for that. I'd want to see
right away, and I wouldn't want Apple Intelligence to be
in charge of deciding whether or not my wife sent
the right urgent phrasing within the text message. So that's

(09:10):
the kind of thing that's like, it's kind of cool,
but I don't think I would ever use it. Also,
of course, there's the new animations for Siri that everybody's
obsessed with. That's, honestly, probably the coolest part of all
of this Apple Intelligence features is that now when you
activate Siri, it lights up the edge and it kind
of has this bubbling effect. It looks cool. It's the
kind of iOS animation that you just don't get when

(09:33):
you switch to Android, and it's the kind of thing
that Apple's really good at flexing on. Everybody else is
like how good the animations and notifications are. And of
course you can double tap on the home bar to
text to Syria if you want. But like I said,
that's already a feature you can do through accessibility settings.
See someone sent me a text right now. Oh it's

(09:53):
just ready. He's fine. See that would be sent to
non important notifications. But Richard Perez, thank you so much
for the superchat sent with Apple Intelligence. I'm trying to
figure out how he sent it with Apple Intelligence. Did
you show your work, Richard? How did you do it?
Did you say, like, send a super chat of two dollars?

(10:14):
I doubt you did that. I'm guessing you wrote the
message and then you said summarize this message via proofread
or something like that. There's also auto correct has been
updated a little bit, so instead of just predictive text
showing you one word or two words at a time,
now it can kind of do three or four, you know,
kind of a bit more. It's gone Sentien. Have I

(10:37):
gotten AI yet, Drew? No, I haven't even figured out
Basic Intelligence, so I'm not ready for Apple Intelligence Alpha.
The Wolf thirty six months of support. Holy crap, that's
a that's three years and you used it to say,
still can't figure out why I need AI. It's the
most advanced piece of unusable tech. See that's kind of
how I feel is AI is mostly branded, and Apple

(11:00):
almost acknowledges this in some of the more recent interviews
after Dub dub is that they've already been using neural
nets and machine learning to improve photos, to make smart
replies and predictive text work, and to do all kinds
of things that they just didn't brand as AI before
that they are now branding as Apple Intelligence because it's

(11:21):
using more generative AI features. I think that's what most
people are getting hyped about, mainly because of open AI
going kind of viral, I think with their large language models.
But again, I personally think it's more of a It's
not a scam as much as it is a fad.
I don't even know if fad is the right way

(11:42):
of using it. But the best example I can think
of to summarize my opinions of AI is that it's
kind of like five G. Five G was overmarketed, over hyped.
In reality, it's slightly faster internet. It was hyped up
as you know, gigabit internet that will allow self driving

(12:02):
and remote surgeries never possible before, and it's like, really, no,
we're not using five G for surgery, We're not using
five G for self driving. It's mainly just a little
bit faster cellular speeds and not nearly as fast as
it was marketed to be. So similarly, I don't think
AI is going away, Like I don't think the Apple
Intelligence features are a fad that will come and then

(12:24):
nobody will be using them in a year. I think
we'll all probably be using some of these features for
the long term. But they're the kind of features that
we would have gotten anyway as just These are new
IOSA teen features that are now being branded as Apple
Intelligence features for the sake of capitalizing on the AI
hype train that OpenAI has kind of started with CHATGBT,

(12:47):
Apple trying to jump on the bandwagon along with Google,
along with Microsoft, along with Meta. Everybody's got to have
their own AI now, even Twitter's got Grok or whatever,
which has consistently performed horribly. For me, honestly, I don't know.
I'm just not the kind of guy that's gotten much
advantages from having a chat bot. I don't have much

(13:11):
of a use for Siri in the first place, And
this definitely doesn't change my use case for it. It's
just I'm not just genuinely asking questions all the time.
I'm not looking for things to be summarized. My brain
kind of does that for me. I'm not looking for
looking up random things all the time. I'm not Google
searching things all the time. Maybe some people are and

(13:33):
I'm just different. It could be, but just the use
cases for it are not super common for me. But
five G is still somehow slower than LTE in my area.
That's funny. Apple is my Roman Empire. Yeah, I'm probably
with you there, Maverick. This Beita is actually kind of
slow and buggy. See Brian Miller just said that the
beta is slowed, But you're not the first person to

(13:55):
tell me that. I've actually had more than one person
tell me I have the beta eighteen dot one. If
you're thinking of installing it, don't do it because the
Apple Intelligence features that are available today are not that exciting,
they're not that helpful, and they keep getting error messages,
and it has been buggy and it has been slow.
So that's why for those joining the stream who missed

(14:16):
the beginning, I am not running I was eighteen on
my mainly because of a what do you call it? Principle?
Now that I use my phone for work so much
as a camera, I am hesitant to put beta software
on it. In years prior I had a dedicated camera
on my phone could be a little buggy. But now
not only does the TELOSUV network rely on this, but

(14:39):
the Tello Trucks marketing team kind of relies on my
phone working reliably too. So I'm hesitant to put any
beta software on it. But I'm not an Elon Hayter.
I just think that you're crazy if you can't say
anything good or bad about him. Like all human beings,
he is flawed, including myself. I'm flawed. But you need

(15:01):
to be able to say good things about them and
bad things about them. And I think that we could
do that about anybody. Let's see what chip are you
running it on? How fast? I haven't run it on
anything yet, But how is anybody else running it and
having a buggy experience? V Ahile sall say? Hopefully I'm
pronouncing that correctly, says AI should clean houses and wash

(15:23):
clothes and give us time to work and create, not
the other way around. So you're talking about like the
humanoid robot application, which there actually has been a little
bit of discussion about for Apple saying that they might
get into making some kind of robot. I don't know
if it would be a human, but something maybe more
like a roomba that moves around and cleans or whatever.

(15:45):
JJT says this is probably the most bug filled beta
I've ever downloaded. Wow, never seen anyone in public actually
using voice assistance. I haven't either, to be honest, I
think it's a feature that tech communities and tech company
tend to think is use more than they really are.
Most of the time in public, I think people just
use their phone for scrolling, texting, social media, taking pictures,

(16:08):
checking email. I don't think there's genuinely a lot of
people looking for AI bots or digital assistance to proofread
their texts, proofread their emails. Like all of the examples
I've seen posted to Twitter so far with people using
Apple Intelligence are usually writing the most horrible message they
could possibly write, like I hate you and your entire family,

(16:30):
and then select the text and say make this sound nicer,
and then the Apple Intelligence goes, I don't approve of
your family, and it's like Okay, it's working. But when
am I ever going to use that? I don't know.
I just usually, at least with me and my wife,

(16:51):
we want to talk about proofreading. That's what me and
my wife do with each other all the time. She's like,
I'm writing a message to so and so could be
a friend, could be a family man, could be a coworker,
and she's like, what do you think of this? And
the kind of tiny tiny details of like I would
use a period there, I would use an exclamation mark there,
very very subtle wording changes when I pitch my text

(17:13):
to her too, And I'm like, because oftentimes I'm driving
the car and I get a text from my mom
or a family member and I'm driving, so I can't
send the text, but my wife will write the text
for me. And that's the kind of like human element
where my opinion of how the proofread will do is
dependent on who I'm texting, what the subject matter is.

(17:36):
It's not as generic as just like make this sound nicer. No,
it's very very specific. It's like I use just there
because they're or don't include that part, or do you
need it to say hello? No, I don't need it
to say Hello. I don't know if I would trust
a large language model to do much. And the thing
that makes me feel like Apple Intelligence is a bit

(17:56):
more gimmicky is the idea that someone could try proofread
once or twice, and if it was me using any
of the examples I've seen of proofread, I would immediately
just see the proofread example and go, no, that's not
what I wanted, and then change it back and people
similar to how three D touch. As cool as a

(18:19):
feature as I thought three D Touch was, it didn't
really last. You know, Apple quickly figured out and people
aren't utilizing this feature because they tried to use it
once or twice, weren't satisfied with the results, so then
they never used it again. And I think we're probably
gonna see a lot of that with Apple Intelligence features,
is that people are gonna try it once or twice,

(18:41):
not be satisfied with it, and then never try it again,
never want to use it even if it gets better
over time, because they're just gonna go like, oh yeah,
I tried that once and it's just a waste of time.
I think there's a very very possible situation where most
of these Apple Intelligence features, especially ones like jen Moji.
All the Apple mojis have never really taken off. I

(19:03):
guess memojis have made for a lot of profile pictures,
at least they used to. Now I'm looking at the
chat and I don't think I see a single memoji
as a profile picture. For a while there, there were
a lot of people that had memojis for their profile
picture everywhere, but then the AI kind of took over.
Alpha says, I still love using three D touch on
my tennis Max. I love three D touch too. Just

(19:24):
to be clear, I thought it was a cool feature,
but I understand why they got rid of it because
everybody I talked to never used it, and I feel
like we're probably gonna have something similar with Apple Intelligence,
especially because of how software locked it is, like it
only works on the fifteen pro right now, so many
people on Planet Earth use iPhones and don't have the
fifteen pro. We're actually we're in the final stages of discussion.

(19:48):
I think with my wife's next phone as a little
recap on that subject, because I don't think she wants
to come on camera and talk about it in a video.
I keep trying to convince her, but basically, the test
app keeps crashing on her phone, which is kind of important,
and she's had music apps freeze, the phone died before

(20:08):
it hit zero percent, that kind of thing. So she's
had more software bugs with her iPhone ten. So it's
looking like we're probably not going to be able to
wait for the se four. We're getting more to the
stage of we might need to upgrade her phone pretty
soon here, and we're mostly torn at this point between

(20:29):
an iPhone twelve and an iPhone thirteen, and the main
obviously the thirteen is better. That's not the debate. It's
mainly just a can we find an iPhone thirteen for
a low enough price? She doesn't want to spend more
than three hundred bucks. Most of the iPhone thirteen's I've
found are a little over three hundred dollars, and I'm like, oh, honey,
come on, let's stretch it. Let's stretch it just a

(20:51):
little bit to get you on the thirteen. The thirteen
is a great phone. I know a lot of people
still rock in the thirteen. Other than the lightning port,
it's basically a flawless iPhone. Was back when the iPhones
all still had physical sim trays and stuff, you know,
it would be cool. AI sensors. You can call someone
the I don't want to read that. No, that sounds

(21:11):
like a bad idea. It would be funny if you
could have Apple Intelligence give information on Apple leaks. That
would be funny. I guess it would. It can summarize
news articles. That's a feature in Safari that has ruled out.
There was another one that I'm blanking on. Let me
check the list again. Oh yeah. You can finally record

(21:33):
phone calls and it can give you a summary of
the phone call. But whenever you start recording the phone call,
it does notify both parties that are recording has begun.
The recordings are kind of summarized and saved in the notes.
App thirteen Mini is king, but my wife prefers the
bigger screens. If it was possible for her to get
an iPhone thirteen plus, which doesn't exist, but she would

(21:54):
definitely take it. Basically, if we could find her a
fourteen plus for three hundred dollars, that would be kind
of well. No dream scenario would be obviously fifteen promax
for free, but that's not gonna happen. She's debating if
she should wait for the iPhone sixteens to come out,
because that will likely push down the resale value of

(22:15):
the thirteen. She definitely doesn't want a fifteen or sixteen though,
just because of the price, not because of the features.
But iPhone thirteen is awesome. I agree. It was a
good year. Also, really good color options that year. The
iPhone thirteen was kind of the last year we had
decent color choices. That's the other kind of exciting thing
to me, is but kind of give you a little

(22:38):
sneak peek about where her mind is. We were looking
around on eBay, because I've had decent experiences with buying
from eBay refurbished for iPhone thirteen's, couldn't really find one
for under three hundred but in the three hundred to
fourteen hundred dollars range, and we were looking at the
different color options, and I was like, oh, honey, I

(23:00):
had iPhone thirteen is like the best color of the
iPhone series. And also never mind, I was gonna say,
didn't the red come later? So that means it has
to be a newer model, Whereas if you buy one
that's like black or white or blue or whatever, you
don't know if it came out in twenty twenty one

(23:21):
or twenty twenty two. But then I realized, No, the
iPhone thirteen launched with a product red. It was the
dark green color that came in twenty twenty three. So
if you've got the dark green color, that kind of
assures that you're getting one from twenty twenty three or later.
I hate Apple's color palette. It's so terrible. Yeah, I'm

(23:43):
pretty sure it's a color. It's a cost cutting measure.
Twelve promacs for below three hundred and fifty dollars could
probably be pulled off. Yeah, well we'll look into it,
for sure, we'll consider it. But oh, the story that
I was getting at was she said, is there a
purple iPhone thirteen? Because purple's her favorite color? And I
was like, no, technically there was never a purple thirteen,

(24:06):
And she was like, but is there a purple twelve?
And in my heart, I was like, don't don't go
for the twelve just so you could get a You're
gonna put a case on it anyway, it doesn't matter.
But she's sight But I had to tell her the truth.
You know, this is not my phone. She's asking a
genuine question. I need to be honest. So I said, yes,
there is a purple iPhone twelve, and she was like, ooh,

(24:28):
maybe we should find one of those. And I was like, ah,
Although the bright side of her wanting a purple iPhone
twelve is that does guarantee that it comes from twenty
twenty two and not twenty twenty one. There is a
purple twelve, So that similar to the whole my tweet
that kind of my quote tweet that kind of blew

(24:50):
up because of Ariana Grande. There was a picture of
I think that's who it was. I don't know. I
don't keep up with celebrities at all, but I think
Ariana Grande was spotted using a regular iPhone fifteen simply.
I think because it was pink. She wanted the pink one,
and so I was joking. I was joking, But I
don't know if people can tell if I'm joking or not,

(25:12):
but I was joking in my quote tweet that erh,
it makes me so mad that Ariana Grande didn't buy
a phone with one hundred and twenty hrtz. The point
I was trying to make with the tweet through sarcasm
was that see, there's like a rich you know millionaire
pop star, and her deciding factor when getting a new

(25:37):
phone was not which has the best camera, which has
the faster port, which has the better display. She literally
chose a phone based on which color fits my vibe
the best. And similarly, my wife is almost in a
similar position. Ultimately, I think price matters to her more
than anything. Like if there was a purple thirteen, she
would rather have that, or no, she wouldn't rather have

(26:00):
she would rather have the twelve just because it's cheaper. Yeah,
should we call it pink? I don't know, but technically
on paper it's pink, but it shows you where it's like.
The differences between phone generations are so small. I mean, really,
when you're explaining to an average consumer, should I get
an iPhone thirteen or a twelve? What's the argument going
to be about? Why should someone get a thirteen over

(26:20):
a twelve? All you can really say is thirteen has
a newer chip so it might last a little longer.
Thirteen has a better camera, How is the camera better?
And what way is the camera better? And then you
go the deep fusion. I guess the thirteen has better

(26:45):
battery life. Yeah, I'm more with you em The twelve
and the thirteen will probably get similar amounts of software support.
I don't think it'll make a big difference whether it's
one year or the next, especially if it's going to
someone like my wife, who she's still rocking an iPhone.
She didn't stop using her phone when it stopped getting
software updates, clearly because yeah, longevity, battery life, that's about it.

(27:08):
Bart Jansen, thank you for thirty three months of support.
By the way, I kind of just want to keep
my thirteen Promax until it dies. That's a good idea
I advise everybody do that. It's kind of like how
I feel with any piece of it could be anything.
It doesn't have to be technology. But like we were
talking about it today, I went on a nice walk
with my wife this morning. We kind of got a
break in the heat wave. It's finally cool down today,

(27:29):
so beautiful walk, really nice weather. But I was wearing
my flip flops, which are very comfortable and easy to
throw on, very light, and I've traveled the world with them.
I've worn those flip flops in Puerto Rico, in the Philippines,
and in Thailand. So I was planning on taking them
with me to my next big overseas adventure, which I'm

(27:49):
not ready to talk about yet. But we are going
overseas again. We've booked the flights, we booked the tickets,
we're traveling, So I'll let everybody guess and find out later.
I'll do travel videos and stuff on the Life channel.
But she was like, are you ready to retire those
flip flops? And I said, you know, they're still working,

(28:10):
So I'll buy a new pair of flip flops when
these stop working. And I was thinking how that applies
to the tech space as well. I don't think you
should buy a new phone based on how good the
new one is. You should base it on how bad
your current one is. Is your current one not covering
your daily needs? Are you not able to do everything
you need to do with your phone because of your
current phone? That's the question you should be asking, not

(28:33):
how good is the iPhone sixteen or how good is
the sixteen Pro Max. And I'm on a fifteen Pro.
You know it should be based on how bad your
current phone is, not how good the new phone is.
So I agree with your mentality, Bart, I endorse that,
and I'm going to try my best to live with
that mindset with my fifteen pro. I know I've gone
back on what I've said in the past many times,

(28:54):
but I also think it's fair to say I'm a
weird example because I review phones for a living, so
I am financially motivated to try new phones out, and
when my family is ready for an upgrade, Oftentimes, financially
it just makes a lot more sense for me to
give my existing phone to another family member or friend

(29:15):
or sell it to whoever, and then buy the new
phone because I have to review the new phone anyway,
so I shouldn't be looked at as the same kind
of situation that you guys are in. But still, regardless
of that, I want to try to practice what I
preach and hopefully rock my fifteen pro as long as possible.
Nothing I've read about the sixteens has been that interesting

(29:39):
or exciting to me as like something that I need personally.
I'm sure it'll be a decent upgrade for people who
haven't upgraded their phone in a while. But Alpha says,
if you're interested in selling me the ten, please let
me know. I will, But I think she's already got
plans lined up for it. She might want to give

(30:00):
it to my sister. I'm pretty confident either my sister
or a coworker. What are your thoughts on iPhone Mini pro?
Apples should just make iPhone Mini Pro. I like it
in theory, but in execution, the camera bump would be
comically large. I mean, look at how big the camera
bump is on a six point one in giphone. Can
you imagine what this camera bump would be like on
a five point four inch iPhone. It would basically take

(30:22):
up the entire top half, which might even get rid
of the camera bump. Yeah, I'm all in favor of it.
It's just not going to happen. Apples just making phones
bigger and bigger and bigger. They got rid of the minies.
So she gets the twelve or thirteen, and she'll stay
until iPhone eighteen. Probably. I think she will stay until
it stops working. That's pretty much the only reason we're
talking about replacing her iPhone is just that she's running

(30:44):
into software issues and it's getting old, and yeah, that's her.
Her current phone is starting to not cover her daily needs,
which is why she's considering getting a new one. And
I will do my best to get her on the
channel if a seven hundred dollar Mini didn't work, I
don't think a nine hundred dollars Mini Pro would work.

(31:05):
That's true. I still wish one would exist, but yes,
likely sales wise, it just didn't perform all that great.
I have the fourteen Pro, going to get the sixteen
Pro Max for bitter battery and bigger screen. My hands
are getting bigger in the battery on my fourteenth. Your
hands are getting bigger are How old are you? Tori?
That's the real question. Does anybody's risk hurt because phones
are so big these days? I haven't had wrist pain,

(31:28):
but I do notice that sometimes the phone indents my pinky.
Do you guys have it? There's like a very measurable,
noticeable indent on people's pinkies that people have been picking
up on. Nicholas said, would Luise be interested in the
se four so good for the price? I tried to
convince her of that because I really want her to
switch to a phone with Type C. There's already been

(31:50):
like we have a charger on the couch that's lightning
because she charges her phone on the couch and I
want to sometimes charge my phone there. But I don't
like having because there's one outlet for the lamp order
the speaker and another outlet for the phone, and I
don't want two cables dangling around the couch. The one
cable gets annoying enough. So the long term solution would

(32:15):
be if both me and my wife could charge our
phone with the same cable. It would make traveling easier,
it'd make packing easier, it'd make accessories sharing around the
house easier. Same thing in the car. We have a
lightning cable in the car for my wife that I
would like to use if I don't feel like wireless charging,
if I need to charge it faster for whatever reason.
But now, because she has lightning and I have Type C,

(32:36):
you have to have two cables in the car, one
for lightning, one for Type C. I get annoyed with that.
I would rather just have one cable for the both
of us. So I tried to persuade her, like, please,
let's get let's just wait a little bit longer for
the SE four and then we could both have Type C.
But even then, I don't think the SE four is
the price she's looking for. She doesn't want to spend

(32:56):
more than three hundred bucks. The SE four is probably
going to be five hundred dollars at least. But I
tried to say, like, oh honey, I'll review it, though
I could make videos about it a little pay for itself. Yeah, sorry,
couldn't persuade her. Didn't work. I don't have a dent
on my picky or any other finger. Wow, that's good,
I definitely do. I just looked at my pinky. I'm

(33:18):
wondering when that happened. Slowly, over time, probably got worse
as we started holding our phones with more squared off
edges and it kind of digs into the bone. But yeah,
a lot of people holding their phones like this, and
over time it has created an indent on the middle
section of a lot of people's fingers. So mine's pretty noticeable,
and it's not as noticeable on this hand because I

(33:41):
don't usually use my phone left handed. I hope the
seventeen Slim is not a flip phone. I hate the
idea and trying to flip phones. Well, ask yourself, what
do you hate more, because I'm not a particularly big
fan of flip phones. To be fair, however, I'm not
a particularly big fan of the idea of Apple just
making a thinner iPhone for the sake of making a
thinner iPhone that's objectively worse, like what they're describing for

(34:04):
the iPhone seventeen slim is it's more expensive than the Promax,
it has worse cameras, worse battery life, worse display, worse materials,
all for the sake of well, it's thinner. Do you
prefer that idea? Because I don't think I do. I
think if I had to choose between pointless flip phone

(34:25):
and pointless thin phone, I think I'd rather have pointless
flip phone that at least is a little bit more
to talk about. Some people like having phones that flip.
It's not me, but some people do. And it's gimmicky,
but it's something to talk about. It's kind of marketable.
You can kind of flip it, or you know, you
can leave it somewhat open and then rested sideways on

(34:48):
a table if you don't have a pop socket around,
or you just wanted to prop your phone up really easily,
kind of like all those features Samsung's been bragging about.
You know, you can leave it in laptop position, have
it fold upright so when you're doing a FaceTime call
it can track with you, or you know, I don't
hate the idea of if I'm recording a lot of

(35:09):
my videos on a phone like this, I'm using the
rear facing camera, but I could have a cover display
to kind of give me a viewfinder of Okay, am
I centered in the frame or is the camera still recording?
Did a phone call come in? All kinds of things
that I don't see because I'm talking to the camera
from the opposite direction direction right. So I agree that

(35:31):
both phones are somewhat gimmicky and pointless, but I think
the flip phone would would sell better slash be more
interesting than just thin for the sake of thin. But
I'm saying that saying neither is not an option because
Apple is a trillion dollar company with a huge marketing budget,
and they're constantly trying to figure out how do we

(35:52):
make iPhones interesting again? And we tried the thin, we
tried the mini thing and that didn't work out. So
it's a it's a marketing to that's looking for a
way to how do we get the iPhone popular again?
How do we get people talking about new iPhone features?
And you can't say, let's work on a really cheap phone,
because that's not going to bring in more money. That's

(36:12):
just going to cannibalize sales. So you have to come
up with a feature that ends up costing the consumer
more and getting people excited. Is it moral no? Is
it ethical? No? But that's the world they live in.
If you have to go in a more expensive, exciting direction,
I think foldables are really the only way to go.

(36:34):
Not that foldables are practical or useful. I'm just saying
they're different at least, and Apple's been following. I don't
think they needed to go the whole Apple Intelligence route,
but they did. They're Apple's now a follower in my opinion,
they're less of a leader. Vision Pro wasn't the first
of any kind. It was just kind of Apple's version
of a mixed reality headset, which already existed, but Apple

(36:58):
had to do their take on it. Now we might
get Apple's take on a foldable. Red sixty nine says,
do you think the Apple devices lack character? After Johnny
I've left, I don't know why. I remember the ten
R and five CE quite fondly, like they were so cute,
and also the UI I think they still have. The

(37:19):
OS I feel like has more character than the hardware
but I think that's just a side effect of hardware
maturing and getting to a point where there's not many
other directions that can go. Like that's why we're having
the foldable discussion, not because foldables are very practical, but
it's just because what else can you do. You can
only make the bezels so thin, you can only make
the chassis so thin, you can only make the camera

(37:41):
so good that it's played so good. So you get
to the point where all you have left is software
and services to improve on, which is why they start
software locking more things, because it's like, yeah, if we
add the software to the older phone, no one's going
to buy the new phone. So let's come up with
software features that require new hardware. So they lean into
large language models because it probably drives people to upgrade more.

(38:03):
People are like, oh, I need to get a pro
otherwise I'm going to get software locked out of features,
which again not ethical, not moral, but it is a business,
and this is how their industry works. If you're looking
for more exciting, true innovation, I would look in the
EV industry. That's where there's more radical, exciting change. In
my opinion, it's not so much in the consumer electronics space.

(38:24):
That space is kind of matured and peaked, and there's
not much going on other than Apple Intelligence, which in
my opinion is just marketing lingo. It's not really features
that are that game changing. I hope the seventeen Slim
is thin like iPhone six. I would buy it if
it was thin like iPhone six minus the bending. Well,
just think about it. Though you're paying, it's going to

(38:44):
be more money than a pro for a worse battery
and a worse camera and a worse display. It's not
rumored to be cheaper, which is why I have a
hard time getting excited for the concept of just make
a phone thinner. For the second being thinner. Please get
the four to review on the channel, but have it
to where it is around Luise's birthday. This can be

(39:06):
the excuse to get it. The problem is when you
have joint and shared finances. I can't really buy my
wife things as a surprise because we share our bank accounts,
we share our expenses, we share incomes and all that,
which is basically like if I buy something as a surprise,
it's the equivalent of me using her money to buy

(39:30):
things without her permission. So I just know for a
fact she wouldn't like that, so that's why I'm not
going to do it. But yeah, that would be nice.
I'm afraid the SE four is coming out long after
her birthday anyway, but she would rather have the money.
Thin is more difficult to handle, potentially, I guess it

(39:52):
depends on the chassis shape. But I joined tech YouTube
at the wrong time. Yet somehow more people have been
something to my gadget channel instead of drive channel. It
is relatable. I think that there's still momentum. I don't
know how that fly got in, but dang it, there's
a lot of momentum because a lot of people buy phones.

(40:13):
You know, it's a multi billion user industry. There's billions
of people buying smartphones now, and most people are upgrading
them every three to four years, but in the tech
community it's more like every other year. So any small,
insignificant change in the smartphone world, even though it may
not seem like a big deal, affects a lot of people,
which is why I still think in the tech community

(40:35):
you'll get a lot of numbers. You'll get a lot
of people curious about the next iPhone or about the
next Mac because there's a lot of people that buy
those things, and less so in the automotive space. You know,
there's less people buying brand new cars every year, and
they definitely don't upgrade them that frequently as they do phones.
You know, it's a it's a five hundred dollars purchase

(40:57):
versus a forty thousand dollars purchase. There's more innovative and
exciting tech development in the EV industry. It's less relatable
because a lot less people can afford it, and it's
an overall smaller industry. You know, there's I think, I
want to say, around two hundred million vehicles on planet

(41:21):
Earth or something like. No, there's more than that. It's
probably two billion vehicles period, but usually people hold on
to them for longer. I think I want to say
there's like sixty million vehicles sold per year somewhere around there.
So sixty million sold per year versus smartphone industry is
probably more like three hundred four hundred million units sold.

(41:43):
So it's a bit more relatable and there's a bit
more momentum from it. It's everybody on Earth practically who
has access to you know, running water and food tends
to have access to a smartphone of some kind, which
just means that there's a lot of people. There's a
lot more people potentially interested in it. Obviously, the tech

(42:03):
community is a small sliver of the overall world, but
even if it's a small sliver of three billion people,
that can be a lot of potential viewers. This is
going to be a problem. When they made the iPad
dinner for absolutely no reason. I don't know how else
they can innovate, but it still disappoints me. It does
make it lighter. That was going to be my only
pushback to saying that thinner is more difficult to handle. Also,

(42:25):
a lot of people use cases, which is why maybe
making a super thin iPhone with a case on it
isn't as dangerous or as flexible as people are thinking.
But I'm thinking of getting a twenty twenty bolt LT
the base trim that I see for thirteen five hundred dollars,
which I could afford a Tesla, but with four thousand

(42:46):
dollars off, that might make a great commuter. I'm right
there with Yahamas. Yamas, I've found some very cheap Chevy
bolts that are incredibly tempting as long as we still
get access to that ev text credit. Yeah, the Chevy
Bolt is hard to beat. If you're not tripping, that's
a really good deal. Do you remember when the boom
of the smartphone era was? When did they start to
become popular in your family? Interested on your take, as

(43:08):
I was only two years old and O seven, Oh wow,
you guys are young. I definitely felt like every year
it got bigger. I don't know if there was one
year in particular that it just kind of blew up,
but iPhone four felt like a pretty substantial year. Pretty
I remember seeing iPhones more in the wild used by

(43:29):
everyday people when the four came out. I had one
friend that had an iPhone three G I think, but
he was a pretty techy guy. He was definitely like
a tech enthusiast. I didn't see everyday consumers that weren't
techy people using iPhones until around the four. And then

(43:50):
I remember being in high school when the five came out.
That was when I first got an iPhone. I was
pretty much the first person in my family with an iPhone,
and they all saw how practical and useful it was.
And then shortly after I got mine, they were all
using flip phones, and then they saw me with the
iPhone five and went, yeah, you know, that is kind
of handy, that is kind of nice, And they all

(44:10):
bought iPhone fives to a few months after I did,
and then I started seeing more, you know, students, and well,
I remember first there was a substitute teacher I had
in high school that had an iPhone five and I
was like, whoa, that looks so cool and like, oh
my gosh. I was nine years old and I seven,
so definitely didn't take off immediately. I don't recall I

(44:33):
don't think ever seeing an original iPhone in the wild.
Maybe I would have been too young to recognize it.
I probably wasn't following tech that closely back then, but
I remember a friend of mine showing me their three
g and I was like, oh, this is cool. And
he was showing me how the app store worked, and
I was like, oh, this is really cool. But I
do remember my sister had like a party at our

(44:56):
house once, like a birthday party or something, and one
of her friends had an iPhone four and that was
the first time I'd seen one in the wild, and
I just remember being like, can I see it? And
it was like there's a flash that was the big
iPhone four feature was that there was a flashlight function,
so you could light it up and you know, just
keep the flash on or take pictures. And it had

(45:18):
a flash just like a digital camera. And that was
a pretty big deal. And I was really excited by it.
And even the girl I was talking to that had
it was not that impressed with it. She was just like, oh,
you want to look at my phone? Okay, fine, And
I was just like, whoa, this is so cool, and
she was like, really, it's just a phone. She didn't
see the big deal about it. But yeah, I would

(45:42):
say around the four of the five era was when
it kind of was starting to go more mainstream and
less enthusiasts. I feel like I could be wrong, but
at least in my social circles, the original iPhone and
the three G and the three GS were kind of
when it was more of an enthusiast thing. It was
like you were an Apple sheep that followed Apple really
closely if you bought an iPhone. Yeah, the rent of

(46:04):
display was cool, but I don't think anybody cared that
much when it came out. I guess maybe people cared.
I don't know. I don't remember people bringing up much
attention about it, but Burkhart says, part of the fact
that I accurately predicted all of the news just two
hours before it leaked. Good job, Burkhart, Yeah, I feel
good when that happens too. You know. It'd be a

(46:26):
cool idea, Apple Intelligence for the home OS for home servers.
It is like MacPro for pro users OS for home servers.
For tech heads in the industry. It sounds cool in theory,
but again I'm wondering what the real world application is.
What does it do? What do you do with smart
home tech? It turns on the air conditioner right before
you get home, and then it turns it off when

(46:47):
you leave. Wow, what an idea. I did not use
the iPhone before iPhone seven, which when you could use
it on T Mobile. That's right, there was a long
time you could only get the iPhone on AT and T.
I remember that being a problem because I really wanted
a new iPhone back when the four came out and
it was when was it, No, maybe it was before that.

(47:09):
I remember telling my parents about it. I was like,
the iPhone's really cool and they were like, yeah, but
you need AT and T and my family was on Verizon,
so it was just like not even a thought. We
were like, no, we're definitely not going to switch carriers
just so you can get some phone. And then they,
I think it was around the iPhone four era, they

(47:30):
added it to Verizon, and now it's like anything, it
doesn't even matter. I'm twenty nine and I feel younger
and much less established. You haven't paid on one of
people I know at their mid to late twenties thre ending.
That's very odd and unusual, though I will confess most
people probably wouldn't throw as much money into their mortgage
as we did. We also bought a very small, old

(47:51):
home with a lot of problems, so I haven't paid
off house, but I'm paying for it in other ways.
It was built h I don't want to give two
much away, but it wasn't built very well. We had
to replace the roofs, the HVAC was horrible, there's still
plumbing issues, there's still citing issues, there's still insulation problems.

(48:12):
There's a bunch of problems with this house. So it
was cheap, which is why we were able to pay
it off so fast. But yeah, it's because of my
income being so volatile. That we were very focused on
eliminating as many monthly recurring expenses as possible. Most people
that have more consistent income, I would advise not to

(48:34):
pay off the mortgage as quickly as possible, because you
could use that money towards retirement accounts or savings. And
if you have a bit more of a predictable income,
you should probably buy a bit more house than you
think you need, or a nicer house, because you know,
if you're as an example, if you're like a teacher

(48:57):
or something, or a lawyer or doctor, I don't know
exactly how consistent those incomes are. But if you have
a government job that has protection and there's a union involved,
then I would feel a lot more comfortable getting a
bigger mortgage because I would just feel like the income
is a bit more predictable. But with my line of work,
the income is very unpredictable, which is why we were like,

(49:18):
let's just push all the money towards the debt as
quickly as possible so that in these off seasons it's
kind of prepared for this type of scenario actually, where
there's not a lot of exciting tech news. I was
kind of researching recently of like, what are these other
tech channels doing that I'm not doing, Like how do
other channels get views? And I'm not naming names. I

(49:40):
don't want to pick a fight. I don't want to
start drama. But looking at what other tech channels do
to kind of get a lot of revenue or get
a lot of traction, is a ton of them click
bait or they make news feel like a bigger deal
than it is, Like they say this thing's gonna change
your mind, or I'm pumped, I'm super excited, and I

(50:02):
just maybe they genuinely believe that. But I would be
dishonest if I was saying those things, like I would
be rude. I would be lying to you if I said,
like the iPhone sixteen is gonna blow your mind, or
the iPhone sixteen rumors are confirmed, or here's the definite design.
It's like, we don't know. These are unknown things, and

(50:24):
these are things that are not locked down. And I
also think it's worth saying that the Yeah, a lot
of it's not that exciting. They're just changing a couple
of things, and you should probably consider buying used that
type of thing. But I don't think honesty and just
being straight up with your audience about how a particular feels.
In this case, the tech field would be beneficial to

(50:47):
the channel's performance at least. I'm kind of a good
example of that of like, yeah, just saying it how
it is doesn't necessarily help you that much. But AnyWho
Oh god, that can't Ben Ben what no way, no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

(51:13):
no no. What what just happened? That can't be right.
I'm not reading that correctly, am I? What he says
on Apple Intelligence right now? I still hate it. This
AI craze is only making everything worse. Even typing the
super chat took three minutes because of Google's moronic AI

(51:36):
assisted auto in fil for text. Apple Intel is just
gonna make it so the deranged anti scene read from
family members out even less. What what just happened? I'm
I'm actually genuinely scared. Did did Apple Intelligence? Oh my god?
There it is, there's the notification. Where is the refund button? Bruh, bruh.

(52:03):
This is not okay, This is not okay. Uh. I'm
I'm genuinely worried. Worried. Actually, I think I think Apple
Intelligence automatically sent his super chat to be like the
highest it could possibly be. Genuinely, Ben if you're if

(52:24):
you can hear this, Benjamins, has been like a year
since I got a live video. This AI crap should
only be used for cereal or the background stuff like
it always has been. Like other fune can detect which
type of parrot? Was that intentional? That? Really I'm worried.
That didn't feel like an intentional super chat, and that's
what he said, no refund need. I don't know. I

(52:53):
don't know what to say. Okay, well, you're definitely getting
moderator privileges, that's for sure. At least you should be
definitely added as a mod that's I believe, by far,
the biggest super chet you could possibly say, why would
you do that? Seriously though? Why? He said it was intentional?

(53:19):
But seriously though, you shouldn't. You shouldn't be doing that.
It's just irresponsible. Really, there's so many like charities there.
There's more important things. My goodness, I hope you are
a rich man. Maybe he was a rich man until
he said that. I might. We might need to turn

(53:45):
off the super chats. Genuinely. There's Apple intelligence probably suggested
that amount. Maybe I should be more nice to Apple Intelligence.
It's encouraging everybody to superchat these absurd donations, which are
far too generous, far too kind. I definitely have the nicest,
most generous audience in the world. What have I done?

(54:09):
To be clear, this was the whole point of having
the channel memberships was because I always feel terrible when
people superchat that much, because I feel like they're not
getting anything out of this. Now, he sent it via
iOS because it's four ninety nine nine nine. If he
sent it on desktop, it yeah, which means that Apple

(54:29):
gets a cut of the super chat, so I'll probably
end up getting half that. It'll probably end up being
like a three hundred dollars super chat, which is very
generous and kind. But just for future reference out there,
I did make the joke about buying you a cyber
truck a few years ago, right, that was a joke.
That's what we call a joke. I agree that's a

(54:52):
crazy amount of money for a message. But the whole
reason behind doing the channel memberships was I felt bad
whenever people would superchat large amounts like that, So I
wanted to create a membership feature so that you would
get more for your money. You could get early access
to videos or the behind the scenes so that you
could have more personal live streams. That was the whole

(55:12):
motivation behind the channel memberships. But then Benjamin goes ahead
and just breaks everything. Yeah, YouTube will get thirty percent,
Apple will get thirty percent. If y'all are gonna do
crazy super chats like that, please just reach out on

(55:33):
Twitter or something and we can do it over PayPal
so that we don't lose out on a big fee
or whatever. Anyway, Thank you, That's that's what I meant
to say. Thank you very much from the bottom of
my heart. Very kind of you, very generous. I have
the best fans in the world. Seriously, you guys are incredible.
Love you all, And I'm sorry if the tech videos

(55:58):
aren't as exciting or as interest seeing as other channels.
I try my best, but he says, I just like
the channel and don't mind contributing. Wow, that's I'm genuinely speechless.
I really don't know how to I don't know how
to respond to that. But you're far too kind. I

(56:19):
don't think I deserve it. No, I mean, just just
to be clear to you guys, like I would do
this even if you didn't super chat. Just because it's
fun for me to talk about. I like figuring out
what you guys are interested in. I like talking about
real world applications and exciting developments or maybe not exciting,

(56:43):
but just real world developments going on in the tech community.
Figuring out what phone or what product makes them the
best sense for your guys' lifestyle. You know, I have
this new job with Tello as well, without giving away
too much to Tello is most of my income now,
which is why I really don't want you guys to

(57:04):
feel like you have to be a channel member or
you have to super chat, because I'll be okay, Like
even if you don't, like I don't need it, I'll
be fine. I would hope that that money gets more
directed those donations, which I'm incredibly grateful and thankful for,
but I really would hope that those donations would go
to things that are in more need of help. That

(57:27):
was crazy, That's that's never happened before. So I'm a
little in shock. I'm a little perplexed. But I don't
deserve it, So I don't I don't need it, and
I hope you guys are just as generous to other young,
up and coming channels that are Ben is securing Louise
the S E four as close as he can, hopefully

(57:51):
that tages are mine. I'll tell her like, hey, would
that be manipulative for me to word it that way?
If I said, honey, what if someone donate it's five
hundred dollars via super chat, could we get the S
E four? It would probably be wrong for me to
say that knowing that someone has super chat it. But okay,

(58:14):
Benjamin donates to Progressive Victory superfank awesome. Okay, well, thank
you Benjamin. I'll try to move on from that. Those
superchats always just kind of disrupt the whole live stream
because I can't say wow, thanks Ben, moving on. Just
wantter remind everybody you know, I don't deserve it, you know,
save everybody. Y'all are too kind, You're far too kind.

(58:36):
Thank you. It'd be cool to ask the serial of
my home server to run house choices for me, like
what a below us on home service? Try to make
the AI assistant like in the movies where you can
talk to the home again. You gotta you gotta give
a real world application and do what house microwave my food?
Like what? Like I don't I don't see it. I

(58:57):
don't get it, but sorry, I'm having a hard time
segueg because of Benjamin's generosity. It's far too, far, too
much thoughts and prayers because I'm broke. It ain't much,
but it's on its work. How do I redirect this
super chat to tragic toast? Oh God, what a mess?
Wo Hi Drew, I hate it here in Portugal. I

(59:20):
cannot trick my phone into thinking it is outside the EU. Really,
I thought Portugal was a lovely place. I've never been there.
But they'll probably give the new Siui to the pre
fifteen devices like the flags, the flashlight indicator later on.
Gotta save super Chat reactions to the end of stream
and do it all at once, I guess so. I

(59:43):
don't want to miss it though. It's so you can
talk to your house when you're lonely. Well, I could
talk to my phone when I'm lonely, and my phone
actually joins me on those trips. All depends initiate self
destruct forty six months from Alvin Brock. Holy crap, you
guys are far too kind. Sensualizer has been a member

(01:00:04):
for thirty two months. Hi Drew, are you? I'm overwhelmed,
honestly with gratitude. I just feel like, I don't know,
my brain can't wrap around the generosity of the audience
right now. So I'm just like, what just happened. I'm
just kind of like a shock basically. So I'm doing
very well but very thankful. So again, appreciate you guys.

(01:00:28):
You're you're far too kind. Thank you, thank you. The
one thing I wanted Apple Intelligence for was Siri, and
somehow it's still there. I thought I saw someone say
that Siri responses are still really bad, but the animations
are good. That's now my phone's going off again. I

(01:00:49):
thought I turned off all of the I never use
Siri as like I say, hey this listen. Yeah, I'm
just turning that off. I hate how much it goes off.
Burckhart's been a member for nine months, sending my member
milestone since everyone is yeah, I guess we'll catch up.

(01:01:10):
You guys are just super generous and I'm very thankful,
and you've got your memberships, and of course Ben's absurd
super chats are helping me get through the dry season
as far as the channel's performance is concerned. But I'm
pretty excited for Siri to be good. Hopefully, I'd love

(01:01:30):
for it to understand me better and do more for
me when I'm driving, for my hands or preoccupied. I
don't know. Maybe it's different because my wife is usually
texting and handling things when I'm in the car driving,
But there's just not a lot of use cases I've
thought of. Usually, whenever I write out the text by voice,

(01:01:50):
it misses out on the punctuation or the way I write,
so I typically just don't do it. Benjamin says it's
a cool animation, but maybe for like restarting or something else,
it's super intr For serio interesting, He finds it intrusive
having conversations Apple Intelligence SERI is going to be crazy.
The demos Apple gave us a dub dub I didn't
find very natural or very human compared to what chat

(01:02:13):
GPT has shown, which you can get via the app.
You know, you can download it on your iPhone. But
some of the conversations and the language models I've seen
communicate between people with chat TBT looked spooky. Like I
wouldn't say they're very functional. They're not necessarily the most

(01:02:34):
utility effective features, but it feels like you're talking to
a human, which is what I thought kind of the peak. Honestly,
I just feel like that's where digital assistance should be
by now. You know, we've had digital assistants that can
do basic things in a kind of sucky way ever
since the four s and they've gotten a little bit

(01:02:54):
better since then, but for the most part, it's still like, yeah,
you have to be very careful without your word every thing.
You can't really leave big pauses in your sentences, and
you can't change your train of thought too many times
otherwise they get confused. Until now, with these large language models,
we're now finally able to get to a point where

(01:03:14):
we can kind of start to look at more natural,
more casual conversations with digital assistance, which is what I
think we should be at by now, Like we should
be able to talk to them like they're a person.
On the other end, we should be able to talk
to them like they're a human being. And yet even
with these new Apple Intelligence features, I still feel like

(01:03:35):
you talk to it like it's a robot. But some
of those chat GPT demos I saw were like, I'm
not a big fan of chat GPT, but still some
of the apps they showcased made me go, Yeah, that's
that's pretty spooky. It really does feel like you just
have a receptionist or a human being that knows you

(01:03:55):
and can do everything you need just on the phone,
and you can just cueue them up any time and
be like, hey, what's the situation with this? But again,
they're ultimately an assistant, not a replacement, simply soa I's
been a member for twenty five months, as if it
can dig through my group chats I haven't read and
tell me when and where the next meeting is, that
would actually be hype. I'm pretty sure it can do that. Yeah,

(01:04:19):
I just don't find that coming up much. I just
feel like when there's an event least. I have work
meetings now at the Tellow Trucks team, and usually when
they schedule an event, it shows up in my calendar
and I can either accept or decline it right from there.
I wouldn't want to text a digital assistant when the

(01:04:39):
next meeting is like that wouldn't be the fastest way
to go about my day. But I think I get
what you're saying. You can turn it off. It's really
just one slider in settings. Probably will turn it off
once it's properly live. People are saying it's intrusive. I

(01:05:00):
kind of get what you're saying. How it takes over
the whole screen. I would like to be able to
talk to Siri and have it do things as I'm
texting or doing other things, instead of having it light
up the whole screen and act like, okay, you're using
me now. It's like, no, just do this in the background.
It could just be a dynamic island thing. But maybe
they want to get toward that point. But I think

(01:05:22):
chat gabt integration will not be used very much at
all for Siria only to get knowledge from the web
on topics. Chattybt will probably always be better through the app.
It's true, it probably will. But I do think with
Apple Intelligence, chat GBT is kind of being used as
the cop out. Like in the same way if you
ask a question that Siri doesn't know and she just says,

(01:05:44):
should I search the web for that? This is the
Apple equivalent of searching the web. It's like, rather than
searching the web, it's just going to ask chat gabt
because Apple believes that's the best large language model, and
it probably is. I mean, it's probably neck and neck
with Jim and I and other ones depending on the
time of year, where sometimes one improves and the other

(01:06:04):
one gets worse. They go back and forth, but without
it being intrusive. How will Wall Street notice that's true?
That does ultimately come back to Apple is embracing AI
because they want to jump on board this marketing train,
and they've seen the investment that Open Ai has gathered,
and they're hopping on the bandwagon, and they see that

(01:06:26):
this is a popular trend. So they need to be
upfront and act like it's a big deal at a
big feature, when in reality it's probably the kind of
iOS features we would have gotten anyway. But Randy says,
if you need content for the down season, you can
always review an iPad. Yeah, I could. Is there an
iPad I haven't reviewed yet? Though I checked out the

(01:06:48):
M four iPad I did a video on that. Not
much has changed about how I feel about iPads, I'll
be honest, though we talked about this on the members
only stream. Recently, I've thought about viewing the z flip
six just because it's been a while since I've reviewed
a folding phone or an Android phone really, but definitely

(01:07:09):
a long time since I've reviewed a folding phone, and
I feel like there is a larger and larger likelihood
that Apple is making a folding phone. And also the
rumors are pointing to if Apple does make a foldable,
it'll probably be a flip, not a fold. So maybe
it's worth revisiting or seeing the latest version of it
and seeing what's changed. And I haven't reviewed a Samsung

(01:07:31):
phone in a long time, but I don't know. It's
a lot of work to go out and buy and
I always feel bad about buying something that I don't
plan on keeping. That kind of thing. But if you
didn't like the concept of the flip before, it's not
going to change your mind. Now, Yeah, that's probably true.
It's a good point, but that's why I haven't done
it yet. I was at a best Buy. I could

(01:07:53):
have done it. We were charging the car. I was
right there. We were visiting some family this weekend and
the best Buy was right there and I was it
was in stock. I checked the website and I was
like maybe, but nah, you know, it's a it's a
dry new season, which is why these tech creators are
getting desperate, including myself, where it's like I'm even considering

(01:08:15):
reviewing a Samsung product. That's how slow the new is.
Do it Z flip anything. I want to see how
that evolved over time from my mother in law's z flips.
My guess is it hasn't changed much. But first time
I've ever seen Apple join the trend instead of ignoring
it while doing the good parts a few years later.
I mean, there's there's lots of examples of that. I mean,

(01:08:35):
Apple was not the first to do an ultra wide lens.
They eventually did that. Everyone was begging Apple to do
USBC and they didn't do it for the longest time,
and then they finally did it. Tell us, tell us
what do you call it? Telephoto, telescope lenses, periscope lens.
They they didn't want to do it originally, and then
they did it. O lead O leed was not an

(01:08:57):
iPhone thing, but they eventually jumped on the bandwagon. But
they tried to do it the best they possibly could.
So I feel similarly about a foldable Apple would not
be first to a folding phone, but they would probably
make the best one. I bet the software would be
the best of any folding phone because it's iOS and
that's just better than Android. Usually is chat tobt integraded

(01:09:19):
with Apple Intelligence, yet NOE is not. It's mostly just
the proofread features, one new focus mode, and some improved
large language models to photo search and notifications. Or Am
I going to do the Tesla extended warranty? Probably not.
I asked people what they thought I thought about doing it.

(01:09:39):
I'm about to run out of my vehicle's basic warranty
within the next week. I have about one hundred and
sixty miles left and then it's free for all. I
still have the warranty on the battery and the powertrain,
but everything else expires probably next week, and it's eighteen
hundred dollars to extend the warranty. But I think if

(01:10:01):
something goes bad, it probably won't cost eighteen hundred dollars
to repair. Or something could go bad and I just
live with it. That's probably the more likely situation. But
Apple's rarely first, but they usually don't jump in until
the trend is over, is what I mean, right, which
I feel like the folding market, the folding phone market

(01:10:22):
is kind of matured a little bit, like it's not
going to grow much more without Apple entering it. They've
gotten the displays pretty durable and reliable. Now lots of
people use them. I've even seen everyday consumers with folding phones,
which surprises me. I don't know if it's because that
person genuinely needs the folding feature, but I have seen
them in the wild checking out some dumb phones would

(01:10:44):
be deep that's true, that might be worth investigating. Would
like to see your opinion on the z flip. I've
been seeing more Apple centric YouTuber's trying it this year.
Interesting indeed, I don't know. I'll think about it. It'll
depend on how dry the news gets. Apple is joining
a trend in the sense that they're integrating AI into
their software. But Apple Intelligence is unique in the fact

(01:11:06):
that it is highly performant, large languo highly performant, large
languid model that runs on tons of devices right, which
again I still think is another version in it's another
version of we're doing what everybody else is doing in
our own way. I would also echo the same thing
that Apple Vision Pro, while very much different from any

(01:11:28):
other headset on the market, is still a headset. It
is still a mixed reality headset. You're looking at screens
and you strap it on your face and it takes
you to virtual environments. Now, Apple had a lot less
of a gaming emphasis, and they definitely put more emphasis
on a good pass through compared to something like the
Quest three, which is much cheaper and came out before

(01:11:49):
the Apple Vision Pro. But Apple found a way to
do what they call, you know, spatial computing in their
own way. So similarly, I think Apple could do a
foldable in a way that's very different from the way
Samsung does it, maybe even if that just means doing
it with iOS. But yeah, my Series five Apple watches
also weakened so badly that I have permanent burning and

(01:12:12):
all the red color pixels are dead. It's off putting
to look at. Ooh sorry, my sister's just texting me
real quick. Yeah. I think it's part of the reason
I've kind of talked myself out of getting Apple watches.

(01:12:33):
Is I just the shelf life. I just I know
they go bad after a certain number of years. And
a friend of mine who wore several Apple watches, he
had multiple He had the Series three and then he
switched to the Series seven. I think now doesn't wear
it at all, and he just realized that the notifications
and the health stuff was just making him more stressed
and just causing more anxiety, just made him feel like

(01:12:56):
he was failing all the time. And he's a really
healthy guy. He's in his seven and he just stopped
wearing it. He was just I'm tired of having to
charge that thing, and I'm tired of people being able
to get a hold of me that easily. He's like,
sometimes I just want to leave my phone behind and
I don't want to have to think about the watch
band and the tan on my So it's really funny
how I've kind of come full circle. But there was

(01:13:17):
genuinely a time where I loved my Apple Watch, and
I never thought I would go back to not having one,
But here i am. I've not had one for I
want to say, close to a year, maybe nine months,
and I'm okay, I'm not missing it. Actually I don't
want one still the kind of person i'd love to

(01:13:40):
be friends with. Oh you are too, Zeker. I hope
I'm zecher. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. But yeah,
I wish I could be friends with all of you.
That would just be incredibly difficult to come to where
all of you are. But that's why My compromise as
a content creator is just do these live streams. Try
to keep up with as many of you as I can,
so that everybody feels like they get a little bit
hang out time. So that's my goal. AI isn't mature.

(01:14:03):
What does mature AI feature set look like? Uh, it
might be. I mean, it's not flawless. But my point
is it it might. A lot of people may think that,
oh well, because it's flawed. It has a long ways
to go. We might run out of the capability of
large language models. We don't know what the local maximum is.
It might not get much better than it is right now.
It's possible. Let's see, I'm interested in checking out a

(01:14:29):
couple Nokia dumb phones. I feel like physically they are
too cheap though don't have a good tactile feel like
the old two thousands of phones. It's an interesting avenue
that I haven't explored before, so it might it might
be worth looking into. Dude, I thought i'd drive a lot,
but somehow you do double than me. Well, when you're
when your office in your workspace is hundreds of miles away,

(01:14:49):
that'll happen. Anyway. I have to go pick up my wife. Now,
she's almost done with work and she's got a lock up,
so I don't want her to be left out in
the heat. But seriously, especially today of all days, thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you. From the bottom of
my heart, all of the Channel members, all the superchats,
you guys are far, far, far too generous. I am

(01:15:09):
spoiled by you, guys, and I hope you know that
while life may get busy sometimes and there's other jobs
that come and go, I don't forget about you. I'm
thinking constantly about how to make interesting content funny and
trying to cover the tech space in a way that's interesting,
even if it's not as exciting as it used to be.

(01:15:30):
I'm still looking, I'm still wanting to explore, and I'm
still wanting to try things. So yes, Raptor buddy, I'm
very excited for the new season of Severance. I have
a free couple months of Apple TV plus that I'm
waiting to redeem simply so that I can watch the
latest Apple Severance season. Anyway, I appreciate you all for

(01:15:50):
tuning in. Yeah, I think the dumb phone route might
be interesting. I'll take a look around. Oh my god,
another super Chat at the last second. Michael Lizito, you
guys are all way too kind, seriously, way way way
too generous. Please just know that I'll keep doing this
regardless of what you guys are willing to share. And
thanks Mike, Thanks Randy. Hopefully we can all podcast soon.

(01:16:13):
And last one for the road. You guys, seriously save
your money. I'll be fine. You're you're far too generous.
Appreciate you all.