Is Apple Considering Touch Screen Macs?

Tailosive Tech Streamed: May 22nd, 2024

Episode Transcript

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Good morelong, ladies and gentlemen,Welcome back to Taylos of Tech Live on
YouTube. Hope you're all having afantastic day. Is it again Wednesday?
Oh god, Wednesdays suck. Anyway, We're starting off today's live stream with
a couple comments questions from y'all,specifically those of you who are extra generous,

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because I got to reward these peoplesomehow. So today's live stream is
talking about one of Mark German's recentreports, who you know doesn't have a
flawless track record, but has gottena lot of things right, particularly as
we get closer to the last secondof things. And Nicholas Lintacom was specifically
asking about this one. He said, I would like to know your thoughts

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on Apple, saying it's possible thatthey may reconsider a touchscreen on the Mac,
as said by Mark Germin at Bloombergin January of twenty twenty three.
I think also the more recent interviewthey had was an Apple exec. I
forget I'm blanking on who Good morning, j Money. Hey Randy, I
did see your text. I hopeyou saw my response. It's it's we

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gotta talk. We have lots totalk about, but I'm just making.
In fact, this will probably bea shorter live stream than usual. Hello,
kill Top Maverick, Alicia. Hi, it feels weird to say,
Hey, Alicia, I want tosay bye for some reason. I'm not
sure why. How does it feelhave a life long enough to watch everything

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you've ever loved up in flak?Thankfully, there's a lot of things I
love that haven't burned yet. Butwe'll get there, I'm sure. But
anyway, I want to I wantto get Nicholas dropped this question yesterday,
so I'm gonna wrap this up andthen i'll address the chat more. But
I see y'all. Let's kick offthe live stream with one subject and then
we can go from there. Allright. There was an Apple exec that

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essentially, let me put my faceon this so y'all can still see me
there. I am Tara. Therewas an Apple exec that said, you
know, we've changed our mind onthings in the past when being asked about
touchscreen Max. The reason I'm bringingthis up now is the current rumors of
the iPhone's slim being made out ofa lighter material than what the current pro
models are made of. Yes,it's aluminum, which I think is a

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perfect material for phones. It's wayless finger print t it's much more lightweight,
it's cost effective. Pretty much theonly reason they put steel or titanium
on the iPhones. There's no realfunctional advantage. In fact, it makes
them heavier, it makes them moreexpensive. It's actually less good for a
thermal dynamics. So if you wantthe phone to handle heat well, which
you know, when it's screaming thosefive G modems or running the Apple silicon

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on the inside, they can gethot. Aluminum is really the best overhall
material for phones. They just usefancier materials so they can brag about it
feeling nicer, but as you know, stainless steel usually a lot more finger
print. Even titanium on those lightershades is a bit more finger print.
But specifically titanium, even on thelighter shades, is not as great at
dissipating heat. So that's why I'mnot really too surprised that even for making

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an eye iPhone Ultra that's more highend than the pro models, they might
make it out of aluminum, becauseit's just honestly the proper material for phones.
I think some of these rumors aretoo outlandish says Nicholas Linthicum. Number
one. Do I think that maybethe touchscreen Mac rumor may see the light
of day? Or is it twooutlandish or either the twenty inch rumored MacBook
foldable or even any style of iPhonefold All of these rumors are seeming nothing

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but clickbait and outlandish to me.Your thought's true, Well, let's just
start with that. Whoa, nowmy face is gone and now it is
back. Sorry, you gotta lookat me again. Yeah, I agree.
There's been a lot of outlandish,crazy leaks out there. In fact,
I remember one of the longest,lasting, craziest, most outlandish leaks
that people wouldn't shut up about wasApple making a mixed reality headset that cost

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over three thousand dollars. Do youall remember reading those reports and going,
no, way would Apple ever dosomething like that? That sounds outrageous?
Why would Apple want to make amixed reality hit set? No? No,
no, Apple will make glasses.They wouldn't make something with big,
bulk, heavy goggles that you haveto strap to your face three thousand dollars
fully subsidized. What Apple really dosomething like that? Uh? In case

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you missed what dropped in February ofthis year. Yeah, it did happen.
So what I'm trying to say isabout all this. Uh, there's
outlandish leaks. Yes, there area lot of leaks that don't end up
happening, but that doesn't mean youshould write off every single report, no
matter how crazy or out there itmay be. I recall people saying Apple
would never switch to USBC on theiPhone because they're obviously going portless. I

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remember when people said they would neverbring back legacy ports. And here I
am using a MacBook Pro right now? Is my audio maxing out a lot
more? Let me listen to myselffor a second. Okay, OBS has

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been acting weird in the past.How do I sound? Am I peaking
my mic? I'm glad we gotRandy here. Okay, Randy already texted
me back, and I didn't seeit anyway. We didn't think the touch
bar would go away and function rokeys would come back, and they did.
We didn't think the butterfly keyboard wouldcome back, and they did.
So it is accurate, in myopinion, to describe Apple as willing to
change their mind on things. Appleis run by people. People are fickle,

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People change their minds, So inthe past, Apple may have shied
away from doing something like a touchscreenon the Mac. I mean, we
all remember the Steve Jobs who wantsa stylists You gotta put them away,
you gotta pack them. You know, we have all that. So it's
certainly possible that Apple could change theirmind on more things in the future,

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like a touchscreen Mac. What Ithink knowing my okay, I'm clipping a
bit better now, I didn't changeanything, so it's weird. I was
live stream I'll lower my volume justa tad bit because I realized I was
going in the red. Yesterday,I think or the day before, I
did a live stream just for thechannel members and it was super quiet.

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Everyone was like, I'm my volumesall the way maxed out and I can
barely hear you. And I didn'tchangething. So I feel like OBS messed
up somehow, and my audio settingsgot mixed up. So I put in
gain and I raised it like twelvedecibels higher than usual, and they said,
okay, that sounds good. Butthen but then I was like,
I'm probably going to turn this backon and then I'll be clipping a bit

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more so I'm lowering it a littlebit. I want to be in the
yellow zone. You don't want tobe quite to red, but you don't
want to be too low in thegreen. So if I sound good to
you, then I'll leave it alone. But basically, what I've learned after
following Apple all these years, andafter seeing them do things that a lot
of people said they would never do, whether it be USBC or bring back

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legacy ports or a mixed reality headsetthat's over three thousand dollars, never say
never is practically what I've learned.Apple's had change in direction, change in
leadership, and they've at one pointsaid they didn't want STYLI what's the plural
of styluses, and now they sellfour different kinds of stylus. It's a

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giant mess. So in that regard, I will never say that Apple would
never release a touchscreen Mac. Personally, I don't think it's the right direction.
I think if you wanted to touchscreen Mac, the easiest route to
go is to put mac os onthe iPad rather than add an entire touch
layer to the Mac, which isa hardware edition that's going to require a
lot of re engineering. You alsohave to completely fundamentally redesigned macOS from the

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ground up, and we know howthat went with Windows. When you try
to make a UI that's kind ofa hybrid of both. I'm more in
favor of having iPad os be thegood tablet software, mac os be the
good keyboard and mouse software. It'sokay if you want a device that can
handle both. But in my view, you already have a device that can
handle both. You're just not lettingit. You don't need to tweak the

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Mac in order to make it atouch friendly and keyboard and mouse friendly device.
Like, just let it be akeyboard and mouse friendly device. Mac
can focus on point and click.iPhone can be, of course, touch
only, iPad can be the highThat's the way I view it, and
that's the way I think they shoulddo it, And maybe that's what the

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executives are getting at with this wholeYou know, we've talked about we've changed
our mind on things right in thepast. We could change our mind again.
That type of thing makes me go, you know, maybe they're listening.
There's definitely things I've requested in thepast that people told me Apple would
never do, and then they did. I still remember when everyone said Drew,

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they are never gonna put an Mchip in an iPad, the M
stance for Mac, and then likemonths later they did exactly that. Apple
likes to be a little bit unpredictable. So if knowing my luck, how
Apple probably doesn't want to give meexactly what I want, and particularly when
it comes to iPad features, They'reprobably just going to find a way to

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add a touch layer to the Macso that you could boot into IPEd os
on the Mac. So we're gonnaget iPad os and Apple pencil features on
the Mac before we get mac oson the iPad, even though that's probably
more work and more challenging for thehardware team. The hardware team is far
more capable and is cranking out amazingstuff these days, so maybe that is

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the path of least resistance, becausewe can't even get a calculator app on
the iPad, so asking for iPadOSto get better macOS to come to the
iPad. I gotta watch Randy's newRandy Nex's video. I haven't seen it
yet. It's been a very hecticlast week. There's been a bunch of
stuff behind the scenes going on.I'm I'll talk about it later, not

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now, It's not the time.But well, ipedoes ever have coating.
The question is more, will ipedoshave coding for adults, because right now
we have playgrounds. If that's nota slap in the face to everybody saying,
you know, it's the iPad morethan a kid's toy, Yes,
because we have playgrounds introducing iPad recess. Yeah, I beetoz is the biggest

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problem with an iPad replacing a laptop. But I guess everyone says, eh,
it's yes, uh, not supposedto replace your laptop. It's supposed
to supplement your laptop to wish.I say, bah humbug. Part two
of Nicholas's question the more interesting questiondo you think Apple lie culture needs to
focus on the short term rather thanthe long term? I find this very

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fitting right now due to the factthat back in the day, there was
an iPhone fourteen rumor released the daythe iPhone thirteen was announcing the next year's
iPhone would be going on an iPhonefour We all remember that one. I
said it was wrong on day one. I think it seems as if rumors
nowadays are coming too ambitious, asthey seem like something that may not actually
happen in reality. Drew, doyou think this is the case of the
rumor cycle of Apple or am Iblowing things out of proportion? I think

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you have to remember who is sayingwhat. There's definitely some people who are
analysts, supply chain analysts that arepaying attention to what Apple is ordering,
both for prototypes and for mass production. So if you're listening to those guys
who have proven track records, there'sa bit more validity to the reports.
There's a bit more validity to theclaims, opposed to people who are just

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saying I know a guy and makinghuge claims about the entire product, acting
like it's cemented, acting like thedesign is locked in. Basically that no
one out there really has a flawlesstrack record except coin X. When the
world needed him most, he vanished, But everybody else has reported on things

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prematurely or changed things down the road. But I think if they're more supply
chain analysts, they're a bit morereliable or trustworthy than people who are just
trying to generate a lot of clickson YouTube videos. I think the motivations
there are completely different. Of course, there's a little bit of blend Over.
I was very disappointed in Ross Youngclaiming that the iPad air would have

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mini led, only to a weeklater change his mind and say no,
it won't. He usually is prettyreputable, but that I think was a
pretty big fumble for him. Itwas like, dude, we're like a
month away from the launch and youcan't decide does this thing have extreme dynamic
range or not. The calculator appis confirmed to come to the iPad,
right, nothing is confirmed until Appleannounces it. So no, it's not

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confirmed, it's rumored. But Ithink as far as leak culture goes,
in my opinion, there's nothing wrongwith reporting on far out leaks because some
of them have been fairly reputable.There was a lot of talk about the
USBC iPhone, I think, wellover a year before it actually happened,
and then the talk about switching totitanium, and of course the talk about
Apple switching the whole punch displays insteadof notches. That all got leaked well

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over a year in advance. SoI think it's okay to talk about as
long as you apply some you know, grains of salt, you know,
just with the context that this isnot confirmed. This is what Apple's talking
about doing. It doesn't mean they'redefinitely gonna do it. Like I'm perfectly
convinced personally that Apple has internal prototypeson foldables, folding tech like big folding

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MacBooks, folding iPads, in fact, the four iPad. It's probably fold
the ball already. We just don'tknow it yet. Jerry rig Everything will
show us the way or folding iPhonesit of course, And I think they
constantly have things in the works behindthe scenes that they just are trying to
refine and make better over time,but they don't want to release it until
they feel really confident about it beingdifferent from everything else on the market or

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separating itself in some way. SoI believe the parts of the reports claiming
that Apple has foldable prototypes. Idon't think that means they've locked it in,
and it means they will definitely releasethose foldabules. Someday they may decide,
just like the Apple Car, thatit's just straight up not worth it
that happens they develop it. TheApple car is a pretty obvious one,

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just because they literally hired automotive engineersfrom Tesla, from Ford, from other
automotive brands. So I don't thinkthose leaks are all nothing. It's all
just made up belooney for the sakeof Oh people wanted to generate clicks about
the Apple car. It's like,no, if they're hiring automotive experts in
there receiving permits from the d totest autonomous driving vehicles on city streets.

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Yeah, Apple probably had a projectthere. Does that mean they went anywhere
with it? Nope. They probablyscrapped the whole thing and just decided they
couldn't separate themselves from everybody else onthe market in some meaningful way, so
they just decided not to go throughwith it. And similarly it could be
that with foldables. So I think, especially as there is not new news
in the tech community coming out everyday, and even when there is news,

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a lot of it's kind of thesame old rehashed, like Okay,
here's last year's iPad with a newchip in it, Big whoop. If
you want more stuff to talk aboutin the tech community, it's very easy
to downplay or shoot down what weshouldn't be talking about. Anybody can do
that. I don't want to talkabout that. That's boring, that's not
interesting. It's very difficult to findout what we should talk about. So

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if you want this kind of contentor this kind of genre to have somewhat
repeatable, meaningful daily news, thenyou're probably going to have to end up
talking about some hypothetical things, somespeculative things, and things that aren't going
to happen for a while. Ifyou don't like then you know. That's
why I try to title my videosaccurately and just say here's what the video's
about, instead of saying like youwon't believe what just happened. It's just

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like Apple's thinking about making thinner iPhones. I didn't say iPhone seventeen will be
this thick, you know, likeconfirm I didn't do that. But I'm
just like, no, let's talkabout what Apple's doing behind the scenes,
what's rumored to go on. Ofcourse, you gotta take everything with a
grain of salt. But anyway,I gotta read some super chats. Big
Money Sonny, that's a fun nameto think. It's fun name to say,

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thank you for the super chat.Let's go Telzev have been appreciating your
videos for many many years now.I'm in a business trip working off my
new iPads, so alludes to you. I didn't tell you to buy a
big new iPad, Sonny, butit sounds like if you're super chatting,
you've got some money to spare.So hats off to you. I hope
you enjoy it. Congratulations. Youknow, after making multiple videos on not
buying new iPads, it's funny whenpeople come back and say, Hey,

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I bought a new iPad. Idon't know if you want me to be
impressed, but I'm happy for you, and I hope the purchase goes well,
and I appreciate your support. You'revery kind, and that's completely unnecessary
by the way. You guys aregenerous enough as is. I would do
these live streams even if no onedonated. Just to be clear, AJ,
thank you for twenty months of support. iPad miny seven with a eighteen

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chip on September or October twenty twentyfour. Yeah, the last one I
think was in a September event.It's possible they're probably if they didn't give
a promotion display to the iPad Air, I'm sorry, it's probably highly unlikely
that they would give it to theiPad Mini, so they're probably not gonna
change anything with the display. Butthey probably will put like a new a

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new chip in it. Sure,but let me make sure I answer the
rest of Nicholas's question. Yeah,you gotta pay attention to who is saying
what. You can't bunch all ofleak culture or rumor culture into one category.
There are bad leakers, and thereare unreliable leakers, and then there
are analysts, and there are peoplewith track records, So don't confuse the
two. In my opinion, I'msaying it is fitting right now due to

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the fact that things seem to beup in the air for the highest end
iPhone seventeen model, as is seeminglyto have some sort of identity crisis,
especially with the iPhone slim branding.Seems like these three incidences of crazy leak
culture are becoming more common in theApple community. I think it's a natural
evolution when there's just less and lessthings to talk about, Honestly, Like,
I'm sure there will be a coupleof surprises with the iPhone sixteen lineup,

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but for the most part, we'vegotten pretty good at siphoning out a
lot of the reports and Apple whenthey have to mass produce a object by
the scale of tens of millions.It's very hard to keep a secret their
supply chains, and Apple doesn't manufactureanything really themselves. They have to send
out these orders to fox Con andto Samsung and to Sony and to everybody

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who provides the components that go intothe iPhone. So months before it comes
out we kind of know a lotof things about it. We don't know
everything, which is why it's stillfun to watch the events, because sometimes
there's leaks that are wrong in otherparts that we didn't anticipate, and it
ends up being cooler, more funthan we thought. The classic example of
that that I think is super funto still follow the rumors in leak cultures

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but also still watch the events andstill be surprised. I don't think it's
one or the other. Some peopleare act like, well, you know,
if you watch the leak culture,then the Apple events aren't as exciting.
I disagree. I think it's stillfun to compare which leaks were right
and which leaks were wrong. Butthe classic example with the fourteen pro series
was the Dynamic Island. All theleaks way back in January of twenty twenty

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two, we're claiming that Apple wasgoing to have this whole punch weird where
you have the pill and the circleright next to each other, where you
have this like the letter I onthe display, and we were like,
what why is Apple getting rid ofthe notch? This is weird? Why
would they move to this like iholecutout? That's what I called it.
For months and months, it's like, that's such a weird design. They

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just wanted to look different. Theyjust wanted to differentiate itself on the new
model for some reason. Very bizarre, very weird. But that was what
the leaks were saying, and technicallythe leaks were right, that was the
design. There was still technically agap, you know, the dynamic is
myths. What do you call it, the promotion ocean, the Retina River,

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That's what it was, the RetinaRiver, the space between the hole
and the pill at the top.And we were like, why is Apple
doing this kind of cut out?Why don't they just have one camera hole?
And then when it finally comes out, we find out that there's this
huge marketing feature and software feature calledthe Dynamic Island where you can combine all
of these widgets and icons and multitaskingdrop down menus thanks to that little island

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at the top. None of thatleaks, No one really predicted that it
would become a feature, and onceit actually came out, we were like,
wow, no one saw this coming. Even though the leaks were technically
right, they weren't right on howit would be executed via software, which
was kind of fun at the endof the day. So overall, I
tend to think that it's fun totalk about, you know, what's around

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the corner. It helps people,especially if they're in the market of like,
I want to buy a new phone. Should I wait for the sixteen?
Is there something about the sixteen thatsounds interesting? If not, then
maybe don't wait, or at leastwait until the iPhone fifteen's get cheaper,
because a lot of people just buya phone and hold it for four or
five years these days. So that'swhy they kind of want to time their
purchase to be at least the mostvalue, you know, the most economical

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reasonable purchase, or they want tomake it at the time when the phone
is new and fresh and they knowit'll age very very well because it's the
latest and greatest. And that's howwe advise people against buying an iPhone in
August, for full price I get. Even if you don't want the newest
iPhone, just wait a month soyou can get the same iPhone you want

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for cheaper. Yeah. Nothing canget crazier than the Steve Jobs Heritage Edition
Apple glasses. Yeah, there werea lot of crazy rumors out there,
and you notice that those don't lastas long. A touchscreen MAX should be
an iPad period. Thank you,Matt. I agree with you. That's
exactly how I feel. I don'tthink touchscreens should be on the Mac unless

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it's a bottom, you know,canvas for writing with the Apple pencil.
I saw a concept artist make atouch bar that goes above the function keys,
so you still have your function keys, but you still have this ever
changing touch screen up there. That'stechnically a touchscreen on a Max, just
not the way people are thinking aboutit. Apple started taping over just the
section where the front piece of camerais an opaque material to prevent that leak

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from happening again. So smart applesshould put promotion across to the non pro
devices or make second gen promotion upto two forty earths. I agree,
it's been on the iPad for solong, but the fact that they didn't
put it on the iPad Air isin my opinion, an indication that it's
probably not coming to the iPad Mini. But I guess Apple could surprise us.

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Maybe the reason they don't want toput promotion on the iPad airs is
because they feel like it would cannibalizesales of the pro. But I don't
know. The pros got O ledin their thinner and they got all those
fancy shmanchy thunderbolt features. But yeah, I guess they could put it on
the iPad Mini just so that theycould say, you know, we're not

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worried about this cannibalizing an iPad airbecause it's just objectively smaller. Let's I
think Apple should do is allow youto pair an Apple pencil with a Mac
and use the pencil on the trackpad. I don't know if the hardware
is compatible, but yes, ifyou have to buy a new Mac to
gain that feature, I guess thatwould be interesting. There shouldn't be touchscreens

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on Max. There should be Maxon Touchgreen. Whoa thank you, Skyler,
you worded that perfectly. Can Itweet that? Someone tweet that and
I'll retweet it or something. iPadair should have olead to be thinner without
promotion. Oh you mean, likenot make it tandem, like not too
old layers. Just do one layerof olead so it's not as bright,

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but it could still have the dynamicrange. Thoughts on the Microsoft stuff Snapdragon
Elite. I don't know much aboutit. I don't follow it that closely,
but it sounds cool. I wasconfused why so many people were acting
like the new surface laptops were sopretty. They looked like the most generic,
boring laptops I'd ever seen. Theyhad an asymmetrical bezels, the trackpads
were too small, and there wasa lot of empty space around the keyboard.

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The function keys were too narrow.I don't know. I'm a Matt
guy. I'm biased towards Apple.I've never shied away from that. It's
cool that apparently the Snapdragon Elite chipsare faster than some versions of Apple silicon.
But uh, I think people getobsessed over that too much. It's
like people aren't cross shopping these things. It's like, imagine if the Galaxy

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S what is it now? Whatif the Galaxy S twenty five came out
and they said it had a fasterchip than the iPhone sixteen. Do you
think everybody would switch to the GalaxyS twenty five for that faster chip.
It's like now people buy the platform. You want your iPhone because it's an
iPhone. You want a Mac becauseit has Mac os. Yeah, the
Apple Silicon is nice, and I'mglad to see that the ARM architecture is
now enabling faster performance and hopefully betterbattery life over on the Microsoft products as

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well. But ultimately that's a PC. You buy that if you need Windows,
or you want Windows to support certainapplications or certain things you like,
and if you need Mac Os andyou like having something integrated within Apple's ecosystem.
You like having air drop. Thespeakers on Max are amazing. You
like having features like this Cottonuity camera. You know, there's a reason.

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There's a bunch of reasons people buya Mac. That's besides the point of
the silicon being fast. You know, the Apple Silicon is a pretty recent
thing from the last couple of years. There was still a bunch of people
who bought Max pre Apple Silicon,when it pretty much never had the superior
performance. It never had chips thatwere that much faster than what you could
buy on a PC, but peoplestill bought it because you know it's a

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Mac. It's got all those Maclike features. It's got the integration of
I message for someone like me.It's got final cut for someone like Randy.
It's got logic pro for a lotof software engineers. It has x
code, which you know, softwareengineering is not as prevalent that prevalent in
the PC space. That's why you'llnotice a lot of Google employees use Mac
engineers, which is kind of funny. MacBooks are peak design, honestly,

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I agree. I feel like theyjust put everything to the absolute maximum.
Like I remember the arrow keys.Where's a good picture of this? Why
don't I find one so I canshow you what I'm talking about surface laptop
where I said, can I zoomin on this? Let me show you

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what I'm looking at. I rememberwhen MacBooks had these arrow keys where the
side arrow keys were full size,and everyone complained. They said, for
coding, that's annoying because they reachdown and feel for the arrow keys,
and they like the smaller arrow keysbecause they can tell which one is left
and right without looking at it.So Apple switched it back back in when

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they switched to the butterfly keyboard.They make the side arrow keys really big,
and then they were like, no, change them back, so Apple
changed them back. Now, ifyou look at a recent generation Mac,
it has the smaller, slanted,like half sized arrow keys so that you
can reach down and feel for themwithout looking. But then it was funny
that when these new surface laptops cameout, they had that arrow key design

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that I remember everybody complaining about.It takes everything to the macimum. Also,
the microphones are really good on Mac. I'm using the onboard mics on
my MacBook right now. When theSC four releases, do you think second
generation old flagships will cannibalize the salesof the SC four example iPhone thirteen versus
S four. Maybe, But thebig problem with that is the USBC versus

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lightning thing, which I think thekind of person to buy an iPhone is
gonna feel at least fairly passionate oneway or the other. I mean as
passionate as an everyday smartphone buyer canget. On one hand, they might
really really want lightning because they alreadyhave lightning accessories everywhere, so they're like,
I'm not gonna consider the SE fourbecause then I have to buy new
cables, or they're the kind ofperson that's like, I'm gonna buy this

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phone and I'm not gonna upgrade itfor like seven or eight years, so
I want to make sure it's futureproof and has the latest port because everybody's
moving to Type C. All theAndroids have Type C, the newer iPhones
have Type C, so if youwant that future proofing, you gotta go
Type CE. So I feel likethat kind of is the deal maker slash
breaker. If you really want lightning, get the thirteen. If you really

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want Type C, get the SEfour. There's not a lot of like
overlap there in terms of features.I think. I guess the thirteen will
probably have a slightly better camera becauseit'll be a dual camera, whereas the
SE four will have one camera.But the text scene is so dry,
so it is somewhat interesting. Oh, what is about the news? They

(28:03):
could make a MacBook with iPad hardwareand run Maco with They already did that.
It's called the iPad pro. Okay, let me make sure I read
Marjell's question. The new IPEd prosbeing as thin as they are almost as
thin as the display lids of MacBooksare still able to have face ID.
With this in mind, do youthink Apple will eventually add face ID to

(28:25):
max in the near future or willthey stick to touch ID because they genuinely
believe that's the best biometric for theMac. Well, like I said earlier,
never say never. Apple's changed theirmind on things or said we don't
need to do that, and thenthey do it anyway down the road.
So I won't say that they'll neveradd face ID to the Mac. However,
they're reasoning in the past because theywere directly asked about you know,

(28:48):
there's a notch on my MacBook.I think that's when everybody was asking for
it. Mainly they were like,you know, my iPhone has a notch,
but it has face ID. Whydid you add a notch to the
Mac and not have face ID.I think Marquez was really doubling down on
that too. He's like, whatwhere's the face ID? We have a
notch And their answer was that whenyou use a Mac, your hands go

(29:12):
to the keyboard that's like the primaryinterface, and you'll notice on your phone
it's not just looking at you,and then it immediately jumps to the home
screen. Same thing with the iPad. When you unlock an iPad or an
iPhone with face ID, you getthe little unlock animation, but then you
swipe up, so you have thislittle gesture that you have to make to

(29:36):
unlock it. And the same thingwith Apple Pay or accessing iCloud keychain,
any kind of biometric use case.On the Mac. It can look at
your face, but it's still gonnawant a little extra step of confirmation,
right like when you do Apple Payon the phone you double tap a button,
or on the iPad that you doubleclick the little power button. So

(30:00):
if you're gonna be pressing a buttonanyway, it kind of makes sense to
just leave it as a fingerprint readerand you can reach out when you definitely
want to, you know, unlocksomething. And because you kind of have
to use the keyboard and trackpad withthe Mac, that was their argument as
to, you know, we probablycould put face Their argument wasn't we can't
put face ID sensors up there,it's too thin. That was not what

(30:22):
they said, at least this wasyears ago. Maybe I'm misquoting them,
but I recall them not using theargument of we'd love face ID, but
we just can't fit it up there. It was more about, well,
when you use a Mac, youhave to put your hands on the keyboard,
so you know, if you can'thave the swipe up gesture because it's
not a touchscreen, So if you'regonna interact with it with a keyboard and

(30:44):
trackpad anyway, you might as welljust use the fingerprint reader, which is
probably cheaper and easier to manufacture.But again, Apple could get ambitious one
day and just decide, yeah,let's just throw face ID on there and
we'll double tap the space bar whenyou need to confirm a purchase or a
payment or something trying to figure outwhere to scroll back if you did.

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No, I think we just answeredyour question, mark, Jill. Will
they stick with touch id because theygenuinely believe it's the best biometric for the
Mac. I personally think they genuinelybelieve it. If my memory serves me
correctly, I personally don't think thatthey use the argument that face ID can't

(31:26):
fit within the display lid. Butcorrect me if I'm wrong. I might
be quoting them wrong. Let's see, all we need is a cheap one
hundred and twenty Hitz iPhone. Whatis the price of a refurbished iPhone thirteen
pro going for these days? Yeah, turn Empress's iPhone thirteen just went down
to four point fifty. He probablydidn't mean the pro. Let me go

(31:48):
Apple. You know what, No, Apple probably doesn't have any They do
that on purpose. If I justgo on Amazon and look up iPhone thirteen
pro, five hundred nine bucks foran unlocked renewed check that out. That's
a one and twentyz iPhone. Yesit has lightning, and yes it's made

(32:10):
of steel, but that's not bad. Honestly, that's a great phone.
And for only seventy bucks more youcan get oh unlocked renewed premium. That's
pretty good. You guys know aboutrenewed premium. I'm not I'm not sponsored
or anything. I'm not getting paidto say this, but Amazon renewed premium

(32:31):
means that it's like extra refurbished.They keep it really clean, and there's
a one year unless they change that. Let me double check, let me
make sure you can full returns policy. Thought, Okay, maybe I'm I'm

(32:55):
trying to find the wording for it, but uh, someone at one point
told me that renewed premium meant thatyou had a year to return it.
Oh yeah, here it is.Here it is I found it. Look
at this right here, three hundredand sixty five day refund slash replacements,

(33:16):
secure transaction, so you could useit for a year and then send it
back and get all your money back. That's kind of nuts. Yeah,
if we could get a thirteen prowith USBC, that would be great.
I think they stick with fingerprint onthe MAX because it's very easy to keep
it. It part of the powerbutton, so it scans just when you

(33:36):
turn on the Mac. Yeah,although most people, uh don't really shut
down the Mac all the way,and if you're booting the Mac up from
powered off, then the biometric doesn'twork anyway. So I get what you're
saying. But yeah, I thinkit's probably just a cost cutting thing.
And also Apple knows that adding faceID to the Mac would probably not change

(33:59):
the Mac experience all that much.You'd still have to press a button to
confirm things anyway, and you know, maybe they don't feel like putting touch
ID on a button when it's thatnarrow and small. But with a Mac,
you've got a bunch of buttons thatare you know, the size of
your finger anyway. So for thisuse case and the fact that the Mac.
All Macs have keyboards, and allMacBooks at least have keyboards and trackpads.

(34:22):
You have to use a keyboard andtrackpad to use the Mac, whereas
the iPad. That's not necessarily true. A lot of people probably just use
the iPad without a keyboard and justuse a fullio cover. So if that's
the case, you need a moreintegrated biometric like touch ID in the power
button or face ID, which I'veheard a lot of people say they actually

(34:43):
really prefer having touch ID on theiPad, like they wish they could have
touch IDA on the iPad pro.But that's that's them. I don't agree.
I personally much prefer Phase ID onthe iPad. But now I don't
own an iPad, so what canI say about it. I wanted to
buy the iPad press I can drawas a hobby. Then my brother told
me just draw on paper. There'san idea. Have you tried drawing on

(35:09):
a real surface. All this thingis bogus. I would never say anything
they can't do any Apple would neversay they can't do anything. That's true.
That's a good point. That's Idon't remember them ever saying that they
can't put face id up there.But I don't know. I think I
remember an interview with Tim Cook.I think there was a point where they

(35:30):
asked him, why can't you Theywere really mad when Apple switched to lightning,
which is funny now because everyone's likethey'll switch away from lightning. But
when they switched from the iPhone fourS to the five they went from thirty
pin to lightning. Everyone was therewas like this CNBC News anchor that was
like, meshtor Tim Cook, whyis it that I have to buy a

(35:52):
new cable and he said, doyou know? Tim said something along the
lines up, there's a lot ofcool technology that we packed into this new
iPhone. Sorry, I don't knowwhy I wasn't doing the Tim voice.
That's embarrassing. We packed so muchnew technology into this new iPhone and that
connector just couldn't fit in there.But we think you're gonna love it.

(36:15):
He worded it like that, sohe didn't He didn't phrase it like we
tried to put the thirty pin onand it wouldn't fit. He phrased it
in some way of like the perfectclassic you know, Apple pr route,
which is uh, the new iPhoneis so amazing, it's so cool.
There was just no way we couldfit that old port on there, because

(36:36):
you know, he turned it intoan upsell. But in the end he
probably should have just said thirty pinsucks. Lightning's reversible, and then in
the end they should have said USBCis better than lightning because it's not only
reversible, but it's bilateral. Sothey got type C on one end of
the cable and Type C on theother end of the cable, which never
happened with lightning. For face ideato work, your face has to be
in front of the screen. Alwayshas been that way. Yeah, well,

(36:59):
I tend to use the device withthe screen in front of my face.
I don't know about you. Inever used my I never used my
iPad like this, but you doyou what is the official thickness of the
MacBook screen? Face ida usually takesup all the depth of the device.
I remember on one of our livestreams we were looking that up. We

(37:21):
were trying to get an answer,and no one could figure it out.
I know it's thinner. Someone dida picture. Let me see if I
can find it. Someone posted apicture of IPD pro display lid. What
is that? Oh? Someone posteda picture I think of the iPad pro,
the new one, the M fourchip next to the MacBook display lid,

(37:43):
and it was very close to thesame thickness, but the MacBook lid
was still definitely thinner. So Iknow it's under five millimeters how much under
though I don't know. I'm lookingfor it, but I can't find Twitter.
Can I just mention that the Twittersearch algorithm sucks? Like I look

(38:05):
up something and it gives me tweetsfrom like five years ago, and it's
like, Okay, that's probably notthe right answer. An idea I have
is that Apple separated iods and ipdos, not to differentiate the two, but
anticipation of tightening EU laws. Thatway they would slow down lawmaking, having
an effect on two OS's. Theremight be some truth to that, Matt,
You're probably onto something, But Ialso think it was the opposite of

(38:30):
what we all thought at first.We thought, oh, wow, iPad
os is going to have its own, you know, separate you know platform.
This allows them to do more withthe iPads so that they can unlock
more functionality because it's just going tothe iPad. In reality, I think
it was more about letting iOS domore and more. So now they could

(38:50):
ship more features and offer more featureson the iPhone without having to have to
optimize them or bring those same featuresto the iPad. It's things like widgets
or the you know wallet app,and they can say, ah, let's
just say that's on iOS. Butsince iPad os is now separate, we
don't have to add all of thelatest iOS features over I DM. You

(39:15):
want the picture? Oh you did? I gotta find it. Is it
recent in our dms? I'm lookingright now and I don't see it.
But I'm getting a lot of dms. Uh too many people. I can't
find it it. Send it tome again if you can, and I'll
show it on stream. Let's see. Random person says, what do you

(39:37):
think about the iPad lineup? Ithink it's quite cluttered. I think they
should have an iPad pro which ismore Mac like features, and a regular
iPad which is more media consumption.Yeah. I agree, it's less clutter
than it used to be. It'snice that the iPad nine is gone.
So now no matter what iPad youbuy, no more home buttons. They
finally there's no more home buttons.There's no more lightning. The whole lineup

(39:59):
is types which is nice. Itis a little I think the Apple pencil
is really what ruins everything, though. It's more of the compatibility mess that
I don't like. That's very confusingto the end consumer. It's like,
Okay, this keyboard works with theseiPad pros and this iPad Air, but
not the new iPad Pro. Andthis pencil works with the new Air and
the new Pro, but not theold Air or the old Pro. And

(40:20):
this Apple pencil doesn't work with thenew Pro. It's just the way they've
structured it so that you have tobuy new accessories is really annoying. There
you are. He sent a photo. Oh that's not exactly what we were
talking about, but it's kind ofhelpful. Let me zoom in on this

(40:42):
so you can see here. Thankyou Penn for sending it. It's messing
up. Hold on, let meformat this before. Come on, what
happened? I broke it? Twitterconfusing the crap enemy. Okay, there
we go. I don't so that'sthe Pro Display XDR. That's I think

(41:06):
the old iPad Pro, and thenthat's the MacBook Display LID. There was
a picture somewhere that someone posted ofthe new IPD pro m for next to
the MacBook display lids. But anyway, or a Max's EV question. Do
you think in ten years time theEV market will devolve into a war between
car play plus third party car manufacturersversus Tesla, like the Android versus Apple

(41:29):
phone war based on Rivian news.Well, Rivian doesn't want to do car
play right unless there's some news Imissed, But they do want to integrate,
you know, more Apple and Googlefeatures, like they just added YouTube.
When Apple fixes one thing, theybreak something else. That's true,

(41:51):
that's pretty accurate, although they shouldn'tdo that. Let's see, uh face
idea, An iPad face up ona table is non functional? Eh,
I would say the whole iPad iskind of non functional face down, but
you could like, is it easierwith a touch id to be like we

(42:16):
the iPad is flat down, butI'm gonna rest my finger on it from
like an angle. I don't know. It's kind of awkward whenever tech is
face down on a table. Honestly, I would have thought tablet software would
have been better by now. Ohthere we go. Marjel found it.
Thank you, Marn jel. That'sstill not exactly the right angle, but

(42:36):
it's from Greg's gadgets, that's whogot it. They're very close, aren't
they if you would have taken theshot so that they were perfectly flat.
But yeah, I would guess theMacBook display it is probably like four point
six millimeters thick, So yeah,I think it's definitely possible for it to

(42:57):
have face ID. They're just choosingnot to. Probably just complicates a lot.
New iPad pro M four but thekeyboard is more expensive than Bosa used
M one pro MacBook and an Mone iPad pro with Mini led what.
Oh wow, that's kind of nuts. I use it for medical sales,

(43:19):
tracking, email, et cetera,and definitely for media consumption. Yeah,
that's kind of all what they've beengood out for a while. I don't
think I have the new YouTube layout. No, I've heard people complain about
it. It feels like YouTube bluffsto just break things all the time that
we're totally fine. But let's see, they need to make an iPad Pro

(43:44):
keyboard case that allows you to usea case on the iPad while attached,
like the three sixty Lenovo Yoga book. What are those things called where they
flip all the way around. Idon't know. I feel like it's probably
easier. I like the fact.I mean, I'm not an iPad owner
anymore, but I liked the factwhen I had one that I could easily

(44:05):
pop it off the keyboard and useit in tablet only mode. I wouldn't
want to keep the keyboard and stuffattached when I'm using it in tablet only
mode. I've an iPhone eleven sinceDecember of twenty nineteen. It's battery health
is still at eighty two percent.Thinking of stretching it to another year and
see if iPhone seventeen or get asixteen at less price after the real that's
a great plan. Vanil Hope,I'm pronouncing your name correctly, but yeah,

(44:30):
that sounds great. That's what Iwould do. I would love if
they had a battery and the keyboard, even if it was really small.
It sounds good, but it wouldadd a lot to the weight. And
it's expensive enough as is. Youreally want it to get more expensive.
Let's see waiting for the new Mini. I don't use a pencil, Well,
that saves money. That's the wayto do it. A new iPad

(44:52):
pro M four, but the keyboardis more expensive than used Intel sixteen inch
Mac. Well, but that's inte. We don't talk. We don't talk
about until they need to make aniPad pro keyboard case. Sorry I read
that anyway. I know it's alittle early, but I've got a bunch
of stuff I have to get totoday, so stay tuned for more.

(45:15):
Is the new wait, hold on, is the new Snapdragon surface Pro?
More of what you want instead ofthe iPad tablet form factor with a desktop
OS. Well, my desktop OSof choice would be Mac os so's it's
one step forward, two steps back. Because I'm not a big Windows fan.
Although I haven't tried Windows eleven,it's just nothing I've seen from over

(45:39):
there has tempted me to want toswitch. I feel like just the setup
of Final Cut on a Mac isreally really hard to beat, and especially
when you live stream like I doand you have continuity camera built in.
I've just kind of accepted I'm theApple guy, so buy within your ecosystem.
If I get a lot of peopleasking me to review a surface product,

(46:00):
maybe I'll consider it. But yeah, the surface Pro in theory is
closer to what I think is agood idea. I know a lot of
people love surface pros. My issuewith it is it runs Windows, which
is not my favorite os. I'vehad a lot more unreliable buggy experiences with
them, haven't gotten as good batterylife. It's Vinnie like we need to

(46:25):
put I'm sorry. I don't watcha lot of Vinnie to Sorry, my
eyesight sucks. I read that asan l At the end, Vinnie is
that right. Windows eleven is disgustingeven on a real PC see and that's
not selling me on it. I'venot heard the best things about Windows eleven.
Every time I hear people talk aboutit, they're usually complaining, so

(46:46):
that part is not exciting to me. I feel like no one really likes
Windows. They all just tolerate itbecause it has the software that they need
for whatever they're doing. If you'rea gamer, you need Windows to play
games. If you're a you know, three D modeler, you need Windows
because that's what autokad works on.Whereas I feel like there's genuinely people who

(47:07):
just love mac os in the builtin features. I don't know about people
that just love the built in nativeWindows features. It's just it's the bridge
that they have to cross to getto the app that they need. When
do I think iPhone fourteen pro willcertify refurbished stores. I've been refreshing the

(47:27):
stores since November, starting to losehope it will ever happen. They're probably
intentionally not doing it because they knowit competes too much with the existing iPhone.
Yeah. I remember when everyone wasclaiming Windows ten would be the final
version. Yeah. I remember thatthey were like, we're not going to
do a Windows eleven, and thenthey did it. Windows eleven has two

(47:49):
settings men used old in new style. It's just silly. Uh. Yeah.
I hearing all of the Windows complaintshas definitely not made me one want
to try out a surface product.So when Mac does the same thing,
eh, it's okay. Well,I probably have a bias audience. I

(48:12):
appreciate you guys reaffirming me here,but it's pretty likely that if you watch
my channel, it's because you probablylike Apple in some way, shape or
form, so you're more likely tohave negative opinions or negative experiences with Windows.
I have friends that love Windows anduse it all the time, and
I'm not trying to take away fromthat. I acknowledge that it's very functional
and helpful for a certain market.I'm just not part of that market.

(48:37):
I still find Windows XP way betterthan Windows eleven. But since I've been
using Mac and never went back toWindows system and funny as Windows works better
on Mac using parallel, that isfunny. I remember really enjoying Windows seven.
I did have a custom build PCback when I was in high school,
but I used it not just forYouTube. I used it for freelance
video workback when I did, youknow, wedding videos and business fit and

(49:00):
that kind of thing, and Iedited videos on it and stuff, and
it honestly did great. On Windowsseven. I really liked when Windows was
just focused on being a point andclick interface. It was the UI was
consistent, it was reliable, appswould open, and I don't know much
about Windows. I don't know muchabout the OS. Again, I haven't

(49:20):
used a Windows computer in probably yearsat this point. But something changed when
I upgraded to Windows ten. Isomething on the back end, something with
the fundamental framework, with how updatesperform. Again, this may have totally
changed. I have not reviewed aWindows product in years, but when I

(49:44):
switched to Windows ten, my appsgot buggier. They wouldn't open, it
took longer to boot up the computer, and the updates were just so much
more intrusive, where like every timethe computer turned on, it wanted to
it wanted to install something, andit wouldn't want to do it in the
background, and it would break drivers. I had driver corruption issues, and

(50:06):
there were straight up times where it'slike I need to edit right now and
I physically cannot because of this OS. And I don't recall ever having those
kinds of issues when I was onWindows seven. And I've heard a lot
of people share the similar kinds ofstories about like, yeah, Windows XP
worked for me, or it workedgreat, Windows seven was good. A

(50:27):
lot of people miss Windows Phones.Yeah, I was honestly kind of impressed
with the Windows phones I saw.It's a shame it never drew after he
upgraded. Something's wrong. I canfeel it. Yeah, that's pretty much
how it went. I use bothWindows in Mac daily. Well, it
depends what you're using them for.If you're using them to edit and upload
videos, there's a big difference.You got to use completely different software.

(50:52):
Michael Corcoran says, I don't loveWindows by any stretch, but I require
a touch screen and I like thegames, so Mac os is basically a
non starter for me, or atleast I need a Windows device anyway.
In addition, yeah, that's fair, I understand, Venise says, I
still, oh, I read thatone. How do I think dub dub
will be because I see a lotof a Eye releases and also the release
of a Snapdragon ex Elite. Fromthe competition, I don't really think it's

(51:15):
competition. I think people buy PCsand people buy Max. I don't think
there's a lot of people cross shoppingwhich one should I buy, which one
has the faster processor? No,you buy the platform. Same thing with
phones. If you want an Android, you're considering androids, if you want
an iPhone, you're considering iPhones.You're not gonna switch to Android or switch
to iPhone because a chip was fasterthan the other. For the same reason.

(51:36):
I don't think a lot of peoplewere switching from surface hardware to mac
simply because Apple Silicon was faster.You know, they'll always play leapfrog with
each other. Right now, theiPhones or the Max had a lead,
and now it seems like Snapdragons kindof surpassing them. Again. I don't
think people switch platforms just for performancelike that. But anyway, I gotta

(51:58):
sign off here. I gotta getgoing. I'm already running later than I
thought I would. We'll have lotsmore to talk about soon, so stay
tuned for more videos and thank youall for your overly generous support. I
have the most generous fan base inthe world. Seriously, you guys are
super nice and I love chatting withyou about all this. I wish I
could do it all day, butthere's people waiting on me, so I'm

(52:19):
going to sign off here and we'llchat again, hopefully in the not too
distant future. Stay tuned, everybody, have a good one. Bye bye,