Episode 197: T2R Soaps w/guest Kevin Spirtas & After Forever the Series Finale

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This is David, your filling hostfor Take Too Radio. Who I am
pulling in for Pam who is underthe weather right now and with me tonight

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I have Anthony and Candace. Hey, oh wow, how are you doing
so tonight? We are thrilled tohave back the talented and multifaceted Kevin Spiratus

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joining us. We are chatting aboutthe final chapter of his multi award winning
series After Forever the Truth. Let'swelcome, Hello, Welcome, Hi guyang,

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how you doing wait wait doing Nooffense to the no events, no
offense to the to the fill inhost. But come on, Pam,
come on, I know. Well, yeah, Kevin, Pam wanted me
to officially express or regrets because sheis very much under the weather. She

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is under well, she's she's havingpain issues. It's all right, it's
all good. I just was makingI was making a little light joke about
it because I love her so much, and anyway, I just wanted to
say, we love you well soon, Pam. We love you, Kevin.

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Absolutely, I'm glad to have youback. Man, It's glad to
have you back. I'm going tostart you off with her questions and then
I'm gonna see, like, signmy own in there. Okay, So
all right, are you ready?I'm very ready. Would you share with
our listeners what they can expect tosee without giving too much away? Okay,

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next question, No kidding, kidding, kidding, let's see. First
of all, After Forever is astory about love, loss and new beginnings.
That's that's the basic theme throughout theentire trilogy, and season three is

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no less but no More about Briannavigating his journey through grief after the loss
of his husband Jason, and thisis the season that Brian's sown the character
I play goes into therapy. He'sbeen claiming how much he wants to let

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go of Jason and the thought ofJason, and the and the and put
Jason's memory in the proper places he'sdied. And that said, he finally,
after everybody's encouragement and recommendation, hegoes into therapy, and he goes

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into therapy with the doctor. DoctorEvelyn Silver is played by the incredible Linda
Pearl. And every episode this year, excuse me, the season is,
there's there's therapy session and then thatsaid, still boring therapy session in every

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episode, but it works out.There's still flashbacks, there's still met moments
of conjuring Jason up and dealing withhis pain and dealing and Jason's right there
in therapy with him. Believe itor not, you'll see how that works.
Uh. Yeah, that was wonderfulhow they wove him in there.

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Yeah, it's good. Are youready for two? I'm ready? Okay,
she says, I might be missedJakin, but Pam senses some elephant
elements of Kevin. I'm Brian.How do you navigate your personal experiences into

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portraying Brian? Well, I thinkevery character that every actor takes on has
elements of themselves in that character,or there's elements of that character in themselves.
That's how they probably I'll speak formyself. That's how I drawlow most

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characters in That's how I create mostof my characters. I find the common
elements of behavior of situation in mylife, and I try as a person,
through my acting to heal that partof myself with the roles I take

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on. So I'm hopefully doing agood job in that department. Not only
am I going to be healed,but your observation or you're watching the story
or listening to it, or seeinghow I portray it, how I go
through the healing, hopefully you asa viewer, will heal as well.

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That said, maybe this season isa little bit different because my collaborator,
the late Michael Slade, as youhave talked with before, we lost Michael
to cancer at the end of twentytwenty and it was a tragedy, very

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rare and weird life imitating art situation, and so yes, I had great
levels of grief that I was workingthrough in my life. Some of it
gets thrown into the work, someof it gets separated from the work.
I will say this, Michael's spiritwas very present to the entire filmuo of
Season three. We wrote the theories, we wrote the season before he had

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died, and I wanted to getit done as a legacy to him as
well. Excellent there. I thinkhe'd be proud. I really do.
I know he would be. Sowhat do you think on Pam's final question,

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what do you think is next forKevin? Oh? Well, why
don't we say that question for theend of the aswer forever questions, because
then I can I can stun thatall up? Okay, you want to
Okay, then I'll just go oneyou want to go back to it,

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Okay, I'll just go on tomine forever upsront and then it will be
so back and forth and yeah,so my question I start, what do
you believe Brian learned is the mostimportant part of moving forward? What would

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I believe Brian learned as the mostsitting in I'm sorry, Yeah, what
do you believe Brian learned is themost difficult part of moving forward? Oh?
Well again, I have to say, part of Brian is me,
and part of me is Brian.I think I think moving forward, there's

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always a challenge when you have somuch investment of time and energy and love
that is put into the recipe ofa relationship. And you know, I
think for me and what Michael andI had wanted to create in this particular

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situation of storytelling was when somebody dies, your relationship with them does not end.
They are still very present on somelevel. Whether you are open to
that or not is a personal choice. I also feel that love never dies.

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It's the only thing that's real.As course the miracles would teach you,
but I feel that what really isextraordinary, especially having head loss I
had the loss of Michael during thiswhole creative process, is grief doesn't go

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away either. You never stop grieving. Now. I think it becomes part
of you, and it changes you, and it re arranges you. It
rearranges and ressesses the being who youare. But that grief ism is a

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bittersweet, beautiful and challenging reminder thatyou had loss, and that your loss
is not necessarily a terrible thing allthe time, but it is something that
you're reinvented as a result of it. And the fact that the person goes

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through such terrible sadness and depression andgrief about the loss of someone is because
that's how deep they love someone.Yeah, yes, absolutely, well,
thank you for answering that. Myfinal one for you, I just I'm

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also I'm constantly reminding myself that thatanswer, by the way that I just
spewed out, I'm constantly needing toremember that. I'm constantly reminding myself.
We can, you know, like, you know, recognize my mind about
that, because it is recognizing thatthat's who we are. We don't get

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out of this place without loss orbeing the loss, the focus or the
object of the loss itself. Soanyway, that's I think that I think
that completes that answer. Yeah,I think I does too. Well.
I got I got a more funquestion for you, a little lighthearted.

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You brought her up before, butyou were graced with the presence of one
of my person favorite actresses. Sohow did you come about bringing Linda Pearl
on board with you? Excuse me, Linda Pearl. Let's talk about the

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incredibly gifted, talented, beautiful,lovely, talented, lovely, beautiful,
wonderful day said already, Linda Pearl. Linda is a friend of mine.
Linda is someone who I've known forabout twenty some ideas. We worked in
a show together years and years andyears ago, and as a result,

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we stayed very close and continued tohave a lot of mutual work situations and
friends and creative crossover and crossing overpoints where we just stayed connected. And
she's incredibly gifted woman in so manylevels. She's a singer, she's an

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artist, painter, she's a brilliantactress. And she and I found that
we are very close to a lotof the same spiritual beliefs, and we're
constantly having conversations about spirits of growthand you know, spiritual reaching, so

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to speak, through our work andto our practices. That also leads me
to we had actually gone to severalother people. First. I wanted some
other people. Michael and I bothwanted different people. There was an order
to which we had approached that role, and it came to be that at

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the very last minute someone dropped out, and I really I didn't know what
to do. And I was talkingwith someone about going to a party the
next night, and they asked meif I was joining them. I said,
I'm leaving for New York to startfilming. I've got to go cast

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some people. You know, Ican't make it, and he said,
well, Linda's going to be there. What wait, Linda's back in town
because I thought she was on tourwith the show that she was doing in
Europe and she was back in townand I called her up immediately. I
said, Hey, I want toplay my therapist. She said yeah,
when do we start? I saidnext week? Okay, let's do it.

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And that's how that happens. SoI believe. I also believe too,
that your role is your role.Period. You could have a million
people lined up to do it,the person who is doing it is supposed
to do that role. And Linda'ssuch a delight in that. Serious boy,

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she's amazing. So there was apart of us that got to work
out our own kind of like friendship, helpful mentor helpful teacher, helpful shrink,
you know, type of you know, understanding each other in those sessions.
So it was really great to workwith her that way. Well,
thank you so much for answering myquestions. Thank you so much. You're

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welcome, Thank you, thank you. Hi Canvas, Hi, Kevin.
Okay, I'm good, how areyou? Wonderful things? Okay, So
okay, go ahead, so Iwas an emotional one out of all of
all the hosts when I when whenI watched this yesterday, I am it

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was a lot that was going onthat I was like, I was going
through it with the characters. Therewas a couple of lines that I was
like, Okay, this are nowmy new life quotes. So I want
to thank you for that. It'sit's your new what it's my new life
quote? Because uh huh, becausethere is one and I think everybody has

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heard this one is we don't needtherapy. Yes you do. Again,
I mean, you know sometimes weall need that, we all need that
therapy. But if you if you, if you want to, if you
want to quote the exact line,the exact line is Brian doesn't Brian feels

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he doesn't need therapy. And thenPaul Paul one says we all need therapy
and it's his experience that the peoplewho most deny it are the ones who
need it the most. Now,as that said, I have had therapy
in my life and there's been timesI thought, well, okay, I'll

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keep going. All right, maybeI got something out of this, but
you know, yeah, I mean, trust me, Heaven, we need
to talk later about this, allright, but that wasn't my question.
So my first question. Both bothof my question is are emotional. So

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okay, So the first one isyou and Michael created a brilliant show.
I'm just you know, I've saidthis see before and it's always going to
be in my heart as well aseverybody else's. What do you hope see
I'm about to cry? Now?This is great? There you got some
This is gonna be amotional. Whatdo you hope the audience takes away from

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this season and from the series.So that was a two part of well,
there's a surprise you. I won'tsay it, but at some point
Linda, as the therapist, sayssomething to me and I will just sort

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of say that. It was Michael'sline that we took from his slash our
acceptance speech when we won in twentynineteen at the Emmys that there is life
after Greef, and that's our biggestour biggest want is for any audience member

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to see it or hear it,or watch it or learn from it,
is there is life after Greef andyou can still move on and enjoy life
and still you know, take thatpart with you it's what we're talking about.
In the very first question that Paminasked about. You know, you

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know what did I learn? AndI think I really got to come home
from you know, I took ithome into my life. Was the understanding
that grief is not something you dofor twelve days. You take a pill
and it's done. Creature is anongoing, navigating path to figure out to

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two uh, to ride if youwill. And that's that's the beautiful thing
about the series and the story storyand the story is too to come to
a place where you can't accept that, you know, Yeah, so you

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got me, Kevin, good job. Well I'm so I'm so. I'm
so touched that you're touched and I'mso honored that it moves you. And
I know it's a bittersweet, youknow, feeling because there's so much there's
so much layer in that part ofthe story and been over here with me

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and Michael and how you know,right, and I have to believe you
know this is I told this before, you know, I could have been
on the moon that day when Michaelcame up to me at the gym and
said, are you Kevin spear tosay used to write for you on days
of our lives. Yeah, Icould have been on the moon. We
were supposed to meet, we weresupposed to have this universal crossing point,
and we were supposed to find thisjourney and work it out and take it

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together. That's my belief. Andcall it higher power, call it the
Holy Spirit, call it science,I don't know, but it's that's how
it has been and that's what it'sbeen about for me. Yeah. Okay,
So my second question is, andI'm just gonna say it once again

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on behalf of the fans like myself, my Anthony Pants who shed tears and
share the joy. We want tosay thank you, Michael and to everybody.
And I'm going to turn this overto you on this one is what
would you like to say to everyonewho has supported the show over the over
the last year. So this isyour I want to give you, like

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your emmy moment. I'm supporting that. First of all, thank you,
Thank you so sweet to everybody.First of all, thank you for your
your constant support and your constant loveof the show and the series and and
the message it's it's been about.Right now, as you and I are
speaking, we are having some issuesgetting it up onto Amazon. It was

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supposed to be out last week andfor whatever reason, because we're self distributed,
there's no real confirmation or time linethat they can say here it is.
They just get to it when theyget to it. That said that
being said, I'm grateful to Amazonand we're just working it out. We're

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figuring it out. So everyone outthere who's listening to this, if it's
not up by the time you hearthis by the time you hear this podcast,
and then please be patient. We'reworking on it. But it's it's
I just I'm I'm grateful for everybody, everybody who came back on the third
season, and you know, weall had to hold the space for Michael

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to not be there, but forhim to actually spiritually be there. Uh,
and we all just had the greatesttime. Jennifer Pepperman came back and
she directed the series this season againand she she really held us together.
Alison Van noora producer. Jason playedby Michell Anderson of course, just you

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know, I couldn't have asked fora better leading man. Katie Huffman,
Aaron Cherry, I'm Lenny Wolfe andand oh my god, I needed to
let all these people, everybody,everybody just showed up and a shout out
to my darling, dear wonderful person, dear friend of mine. She's the

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she's the head of theater NERD Productions. She is the dear and lovely Laura
Barquette. She gave us her studio, her five story townhouse to use in
Manhattan, and that of course wasalways being redesigned and remodeled for our series
and set up for you know,all the rooms in the series. So

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thank you, dear Laura. Icould have done it without you. Thank
they. El see, look atthat, and that's a community that is
really a community that you just nownamed everybody. And like you said,
everybody came back and it was outof love. Everybody came back, everybody
and producers and investors. Yes,and and that was also all all of

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the people from from everyone in seasonone to and three who returned as producers.
Thank you, thank you, thankyou from the bottom of our hearts.
Yeah. Hey, and like Isaid, you guys, I'm gonna
I'm gonna put it all there rightnow. And dominated oh, you're very

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sweet, Emmy. I'm sorry,but I'll say that I'll Fork. I
said it again, Amy, Emmyis in the future. I see it.
Well, let's let's let's let's stayin the now and I'll be happy
with I'll be happy with any winnerbecause the show has won six Emmys.
That's one writing for best It's right, it's fun writing for two seasons,

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first and second season. I sharedmy Outstanding Actor award with with Mitchell Anderson.
From season one, Aaron Cherry wonSupporting Actress. We want uh best
directing with Outstanding Directing excuse me forJennifer Popperman season one. So I'm very
grateful for those acknowledgments. So we'llstand in the moment and we'll keep it

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as a winner. How about that? There you go, Thank you,
Kevin, And if we could,Kevin, we would send out an honorary
take to Radio Award for you.Absolutely, I'll do that. I'll take

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thanks Kevin well. First self,you know, my own personal favorite shout
out to Riley, but you knowI just shout out to Riley typinitely.
I have to, you know,I have to acknowledge the fact that pandemic

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everything with Michael, you know,the the fact that everybody came back together
and that it happened, it ismaybe one step away from a miracle itself.
So I mean, just the factthat season three, the closing of
the trilogy, the the honoring ofwhat you and Michael did together, you

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know, coming to its its trilogyfruition. I think it's absolutely amazing.
You know, I don't know ifyou believe in Buddha or God or the
aliens, but you know, whateverout external forces that also, you know,
put themselves into this to make thishappen. You know, it is
absolutely amazing. Having said that,gohead, thank you, oh thank you.

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I couldn't I couldn't have. Icouldn't have believed it until it actually
happened because there were a lot ofchallenges. There were a lot of obstacles.
There was a lot of startups,and then it would drop, it
would stop, and then we'd startup again and it would fall out again.
So all anyway, so you know, this is not my question,
but it's got to feel. Youknow, the stops must have been you

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know, crushing at points, andit's like, okay, how much more
you know, how much more amI going to have to jump over to
get this onto the track and running? You know, And finally that was
the constant. That was a constant. As a matter of fact, you
know here I'm mentioning to you aswe're speaking, there is there's I will

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call it a challenge, but it'sjust it's an untimely situation that, for
whatever reasons, we started early enoughto get this up and running on Amazon
and it's not there yet. AndI have to take a deep breath every
morning and let it go and justsay, hey, if it's meant to
be today, it's meant to be. That said, there's always magic if

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you find you know, if youfind the message in the mess, there's
always magic. So it's always good, absolutely, And I believe if you
honor the love of the creation andthe love of all that comes together to
make the creation, and somehow,some way that magic will will take you
over the finish line. Yeah,I'm in agreement. So, you know,

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when you first came to us,you know, and you came with
Michael, and I am so youknow, thankful these conversations and the ones
you did for Pride Connection, whichis one of my podcasts besides Take two
Radio. So glad that we hadhad the time with Michael as well.
But when you guys first came tous, you know, you told us

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that part of this was you wantedto write a show for gay men of
a certain age, not necessarily asthey would be the only ones watching,
but that would you know, illustrategame then of a certain age. And
coming to this third season and watchingthe journey and again shout out to Riley

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because there was some great stuff inthat standalone piece as well. But coming
you know, to this place nowand knowing that so many in our community
got a piece that we very rarelysee on screen, which is real gay
men living real lives. You know, there's some camp. We love the

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camp. It is suil. Weall camp it up when we're with our
group of friends. But it wasn'tcamp to be camp. It was camp
because that's what happens when we gettogether like that. And that you know,
for all intents and purposes, itwas a marriage, you know,
And then you have to gree tophysicality. I love how you how you

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said earlier in this conversation the relationshipnever ends, and I truly do believe
that myself as well. But thefact that you put this into into the
world and that there are so manyout there that look at it and get
to say, you know, Isee the realness of my life this and
I can hold this to my friendsand family, you know, as a

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as an artistic representation of love islove no matter what the physicality of the
people involved are. You know,do you do you do you still feel
the impact of that? Do youknow how impactful that is to us in
the canity? Well? Thank you? I you you really you really summed

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up that that that conversation to abeautiful Uh. Yeah, I know deep
down in my heart of hearts thatMichael and I set out to create something
that was truthful and personal and closeto us. And and you know,

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I've been away from it for solong, not because of choice, but
because the world had to deal withthis pandemic and it's two strikes that we
had for actors and writers. AndI'm very excited to get back up on

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the settle and you know, canceraway because I know this story has a
meaning to a lot of people,and not just the gay community. When
I was with Michael, I saidto him, you know, I want
to do a story about gay menwho are not thirty, because I was
not thirty anymore, and I wasat a different place in my life.

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And that's the hook that hooked him. I know that because you know,
when I was like, come on, we got to write something, He's
like, get away, boy,you bother me, you know. And
I used to see him about that. But the truth is when he knew
that, my intention was to createsomething that was about he and I as

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our demographic. You know, agepeople in general, gay men, women
are not written for or written inthe canvas of storytelling, and we put
ourselves right there in that canvas,so we could, you know, have
some sort of voice. Is iteverybody's particular story? No? Is it

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about love and loss? Yes?And again I will say it, Michael
would say it. The story isabout love and loss and we are not
getting off this planet without loss.It just it can't happen. And if
you know a way around it,please let me know. I'll write that

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story. Awesome, thank you.More questions for you, But the next
question, I'm gonna take you backto Phanium for a moment, you know,
but I want to shout out inand popkiss form. You know,
congratulations for your nomination uh last year. And you know that storyline was also

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very impactful in a very different waythan after Forever, of course, but
you know, there was a lotof conversation about it. I mean,
playing with the fabulous Greg Reigart hadto have been amazing. But having you
know, having gone through that experienceand having lived Kevin's experience, you know,

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of working in the business and beingKevin and being on a hit show
and having all those things, andthen coming back years later and being able
to tell that coming out story.Can you give us a snapshot how it
felt and also what it felt likewhen when you got that nomination. Well,

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there's a two part of this.First of all, when we were
on stage at the end, wasin twenty nineteen on that Sunday night and
watch say Friday Night, the Fridaynight before. I was on stage a
lot. I was presenting, Iwas winning. I was winning with the

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way, thank you very much.And I think the cool thing about that
was was that I was able tostand on that stage as well as Michael.
But I was standing in that stage, I was looking out into this
audience and I was sort of livingin this very surreal moment in my mind,

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like I had always dreamed of beingup here winning for something. Who
knew it was gonna be this wasgoing to be the path, and this
was going to be the way itwas. It was gonna be something that
I co created with another talented humanbeing. And all of a sudden,
I got this hit that that I'mgonna back on the Days of Our Lives

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and they're gonna have my character comeout. That's that happened on stage in
my mind while we were winning allthis separ after from right now. I
can't tell you how I knew this. I just sort of like at that
time in uh, in real timein the history of Kevin and all the

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actors on the Days of our Livesgetting up and going to work here and
there, and they were bringing backa lot of characters, and I thought
to myself, it would just beso interesting if they would bring me back
and have my character come out,because why wouldn't they, Like, what
a perfect opportunity for someone now ina position who's been celebrated for coming out
with this character and this you know, this role. And sure enough I

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told that to Michael, and heI have to laugh. He said,
Days of Our Lives will never never, They will never do that, And
I said, I don't know,and I'm I'm now looking up to the
heavens and I'm just like watching himsmirk, you know, because they did,

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they brought me back. So whenthat got the call from Marni Sayda,
the casting director, her name poppedup, and I said, hey,
Marty, how are you. She'soh, oh, Kevin, Hi.
You know, it's just like,well, days of our Lives would
like to have you come back andjoin us in Salem. And I said,
and have me come out, haveCraig come out. And she went,

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how did you know that? Yeah? She said, well, yes,
you know, she's very like shedidn't know what to say to that.
I just knew. I just knewit, and it was one of
those things you just feel in yourgut. So it was an exciting moment.
Yes, I got to play withwith Patrica Dargo and Greg Regart and

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who else and Nadia. Nadia's scenesthat with uh, you know, her
role and my role together. Idon't know why Chloe was the real central
glue. Uh. You know,they had all these people trying to get
me not to marry and not tobe settled with Leo. But I have

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to tell you the scenes that Idid. There was one Okay, there
were two scenes that I am gratefulfor that we had Patrika Darbou and I
had together and it was sort ofone of our last, my last scenes
in that story wrap up where theykind of brought us back to, you
know, understanding each other and knowingthat we still had love for each other,

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and we just did what we thoughtwe needed to do, and it
was such a beautiful wrap up.I really have to I have to comment,
Oh, I can't get that,don't I said this voicemail anyway,
Are there are there? Yes?Okay, someone called tragic from it anyway.
So that said, I was reallygrateful to the writers for that,

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and they had some beautiful, beautifulscenes with Chloe and Craig just the way
Nadia, she's always been so sweetas that daughter figure to me anyway,
and we always joked about, youknow, who's your daddy, you know,
And here she gets to be thecaretaker of her dad and be the

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open arms as he would cry inher arms about being hurt from love,
which I think is such a beautifulturnaround because all those years prior, when
I was on the canvas for along time, you know, she was
crying in my arms about not beingyou know, being hurt by some boy
in love and blah blah blah.So so that was a good story for

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me as well. And I alsothink there was a beautiful, beautiful scene
that they had done between Leo andCraig when he says, do you think
we can get back together? AndI said no, Leo sitting in the
cafe, Yeah, yeah, wecan't get back together. But I will
say this, I'm grateful that youhelped me. You know know who I

(39:13):
am, and so that's I willalways love you. So get your bags
and get the hell out, youknow. So that was that, but
they really handled it very nicely.I think. Yeah, so you have
a question from Pam to answer,but I'm going to build them at And
it's funny Pam had that question.I didn't. Look. We trade our

(39:34):
questions, but I've been very,very busy the last few days. And
my final question for you is,after all is said and done, is
Brian okay? And is Jason okay? So you can do mine and then
wrap up with Pam okay. Soso your question is again say it again

(39:59):
without you know, without having anythingaway from the arc of season three,
is Brian okay? And is Jasonokay? Are they moving on to something?
Basically? Do we do we seethem move on to something more for
themselves? Is there another season?Is that you're asking? No? First

(40:21):
of all, uh, spoiler alert, Jason's dead, So Jason's Jason's gonna
be okay regardless. But you haveto remember, you have to remember that,
you know, the scenes with Brianand Jason in the present are no
more than the conversations that Brian ishaving in his head, in his really

(40:45):
do you really want to pull apart? Look at? So? Is
Brian okay? I think we wrapthis up in a beautiful, positive forward
way. As I said earlier on, you know, Greef doesn't have any

(41:07):
type of road book or or playbookor or how to get through it.
And it's not something you start onTuesday and end a month from Wednesday.
You know, it's it's it's reallyit's it's a presence. It's like Greek
is a it's like a flowing stream. Sometimes it's as big as a river

(41:28):
or a tidal wave, and sometimesit dries up a little bit. But
if people can really go with it, you'll see that. I think Ryan
learns how to put everything into perspectivein a beautiful way. I mean,
that's not getting too much away,but it's also it's it's you know,

(41:49):
it's come, it's coming to anend, and I and I have to
believe that we all get something outof it. I think the thing that's
really great is that there's storylines thatBrian and has to come to terms with
and deal with through the friends andthrough the external stuff that that Jason had,
you know, had his hand.And I'll leave it at that,

(42:09):
but it ends in a beautiful way. And I think there's a beautiful memory
that Jason says to Brian in ascene where he's conjured him up, saying,
you know, pick a memory.He's always gonna have memories of me.
Pick one. And that's that's oneof my favorite scenes of the entire

(42:31):
season. That was one of myfavorites too. Yeah. Yeah, and
it also it's because of where itit puts us back to where we started.
True. Yeah, yeah, you'regetting with me both, that's all
you're getting with me. I wouldimagine that you know, now that the

(42:58):
filming is done and it's coming intothe world, there has to be a
space of I will carry this withme forever. But I do have to
I don't want to say grieve,but I do have to move on from
this so that Kevin can do whatKevin needs to do next. Yeah.

(43:19):
Yeah, I think you're You're righton the money with that. Listen,
there are other ideas that I havefor After Forever when it comes to when
it comes to how to distribute andhow to create it again with other other

(43:44):
people. Meaning my dream is toactually not unlike they did Queerest folks,
how it came from England and thenwe did a version of it here.
I'd love to take After Forever andtake it to England. I'd like to
take it to Italy. I'd liketo I'd like I'd like After Forever to
branch out and it doesn't it doesn'thave to be me playing Brian. But

(44:07):
I think that that you know,I know who Brian is, I know
the story. I would I wouldlike to have it go that way.
That being said, yeah, Ihave I have some other things that I've
got cooking, and I'm trying toget this news script finished. I have

(44:31):
another writing partner. I'm working witha friend of mine, Gregory Allen.
He's actually a producer on After Foreveras well. He and I are creating
a for creating a fantasy love story, time travel for time travel love story.

(44:52):
It's gay thematic. I'll leave itat that, very nice PA question.
And I'm singing again. Yeah,you are singing again, and you
are hyping up Mitchell's One Man's show, and you are all over the place,

(45:12):
you know, showing, by theway, this is one man's show.
Well, shout out to Mitchell.I think he's actually I don't know
when this is going to air,or this is live, or how this
is going I can't remember, butMitchell Anderson is going to Provincetown to do
this one Man's show. You BetterCall your Mother, that's what it's called,
You Better Call your Mother. Andthe story that he tells is his

(45:36):
journey as a as an actor inCalifornia, in Hollywood and his coming out.
And I was present when he cameout at the Glad Awards that year
was nineteen ninety six, and Ito this day stand on the shoulders of

(45:57):
Mitchell Anderson and other people in thatarea where it's because of what he had
done that was so inspiring to me, and it's part of why I had
to have him be the guy thatplays my husband, you know. So
yeah, I'm I'm if he hada chance to see his show. It's
an amazing, amazing story. Soso besides the script, what else is

(46:23):
next for Kevin? I'm like Isaid, I'm I'm working on a one
man show again, singing an eveningof music. I'll call it My Stories,
my life through the through the musicof Peter Allen. That's in the
works. Peter Allen has been someonewho I just loved his music since I

(46:46):
heard Melissa Manchester singing Don't Cry OutLoud one hundred million years ago when I
was in junior high school. AndI think it's time that Peter Allen's light
the you know, really let likethat Peter Allen towards one more time.
But his music is so beautiful andit's always got a great story to it,
and and there's a couple other projects, but those are the two creative

(47:08):
things that I'm kind of focusing on, and we'll see where they fit me.
Awesome, Well, thank you,thank you so much for answering my
questions. David. Do you haveany follow ups? Or shall we shall
we just revel in the kevinness ofit all you can revel. We love

(47:36):
having you, Kevin. You're sucha difference. Oh, thank you,
thank you. And I'm gonna saythis way. You can kick me later
whenever we finally meet up in person, hopefully you bring that one man show
to Miami. But come back whenyou do win the next set of Emmys.
Well I will. I will happilycome back when and if that time

(47:58):
happens. Absolutely, I'd like tobe optimistic, but I don't like to
put anything out there that's you know. But here's what I will say.
Shout out to my nephew Connor Spiritusand his wife Annie Spearitis. They had
a little baby girl last night.This morning. Oh breakie, Josephine Spiritus
is in the world, and Iam now a great gunkle. I'm a

(48:22):
great gunko. So hey Connor,Hey Annie, Hey Frankie. His name
it is, Oh my god,I'm so happy for them. So he
said, the baby the baby robbedyesterday or earlier this morning. Uh,
I think it was early this morning. I think Mother's Day happened, and

(48:43):
then it took them into the morning. Officially today is that's Mother's Day.
Yet after though, even though shewas she went on later that was Yo
went on label on Mother's Day andthat's the best congratulation. Yeah, here's
what I love. Here's what Ilove. May thirteenth. You know,

(49:07):
someday there's gonna be a Friday thethirteenth in May, and my niece,
my great niece, is gonna go. Uncle Kevin, I used Friday the
thirteenth, Part seven. Yeah,crossover. I gotta I gotta bring it
back to me, right guy?This has been so great. Oh man.

(49:30):
Once again, Kevin. I justfeel like if we were all together,
I would be the one giving ina standing ovation. So I'm doing
it now because in the one port, in the next Margarita, that would
have been me too. That wouldbe me too. Well, thank you,

(49:51):
Anthony, thank you everybody and champamto get it back. Get it
well. We will, well,we will. You know. We love
you man. Come back anytime,any project or just to just to sit
and chat with us. You knowYou're always welcome here. Absolutely. Congratulations,
man, We love you, Loveyou. Bye Banks. Wow.

(50:19):
I know I just have to say, you know I've been God is it
is it? It's almost can'tae.We're here almost seven years, aren't we
yeah, yeah, you know,and to think that we have run the
course of after forever with Kevin,you know, I think back to that

(50:44):
first conversation with Michael. We haverun the gamut with with Kevin, and
after for and after forever. Thisis special, you know, this is
this is really kind of special.And and and I I had to kind
of shout out between you know,the pandemic and the strikes and investors coming
and going and you know this thisalmost didn't happen, and and it is

(51:09):
you know, maybe maybe Michael upthere was playing a little bit of chess.
Maybe you know, he passed Petera bell or something and said,
hey, you know, make thishappen. But you know, it is
a testament that it got finished becausea lot of projects unfortunately, you know.
Dope. Yeah, And it's sucha beautiful story. And and from

(51:31):
someone who's in the community of acertain age. I'm not quite their age.
I wasn't in junior high school andMelissa and just the saying don't cry
out loud, but you know,and I remember, I gotta tell you,
being a gay man at a certainage and being able to about the

(51:54):
same age. So the world,the world has definitely changed. And yeah,
even though we're looking at a lotof backsliding and a lot of political
stuff that makes it feel like wemight not you know, like we might
plateau and go backwards. It's it'sprojects like after forever, you know,

(52:19):
that that keep the hope alive andthat keep us, you know, believing
that one day it's not going tobe it's not going to matter who you
love or how you love, It'sjust going to be that you love.
Yeah, all right, thanks,you know, thanks, thanks, thanks

(52:42):
Kevin to to always coming and spendingtime with us here at take your radio.
All right, I guess we've gotto get into uh, our fortune.
We start in Los Angeles. First, love Jesus. Okay, if
we're going to start in Los Angelestogether, come on from prayer. We

(53:07):
did, guy, we told youself, We told yourself, We told you
so, come on, give usthe rundown. Well, she's alive,
alive, she is alive, She'sbeen she's been briefed. I think Cope

(53:31):
had probably the best reaction to allof this so far that I can tell.
Stephie's in disbelief right now. Ridgeis in disbelief. Liam is in
disbelief. Oh my godly, Ithink Lee had the best one. I

(53:55):
I just loved Lee's reaction to this, that the Sheila's just hiding under the
sheet and she sees the missing toeand I can't. I mean, this
is well, thank god it's asoap opera. But I ain't gonna believe

(54:16):
Sheila's shit one. I mean thewhole point. Okay, I got a
job being on us first and foremost. I've seen look social media, I've
seen all your comments. I haveto my aunt, who's probably listening to
this show right now. I haveheard you call me when when all this

(54:37):
came out? Now, think aboutthis guy. I'm at work all my
lunch. I was getting ready tocome off my lunch break, okay,
and I'm a Sadden. My auntcalled my job. Okay, normally it's
my cell phone, but it wasmy job. So I'm thinking something.
Well, you know, mom,right, my bo tells me to take

(54:58):
it in the office. My auntcalled, y'all know what she says to
me. You said, Candace,No he's not. I said what,
No, she's not? And Iwas like, who are you telling?
I'm thinking there's a relative here.He's like, Sheila is a lot I
was like goodbye. I was like, you're calling my job. But okay,

(55:24):
okay, let me just backtrack.If you really believe that Shila is
a victim out there, I wantto start to go funding for you,
guys, I really do, becausethis is what Sheila has been plotting for
a very long time. And I'mgoing to say that I'm with you there

(55:45):
having sugar what brilliant because it wasgoing to throw you off a little bit.
I think, wait a minute,I'm way man, I'm taking it
all the way back here. Shoutout to who and once they brand did
this one to say, hey,can we get Laurene to come over to

(56:06):
Bowling and Beautiful because we're gonna needher. We've fancied been saying Laurence has
to be a part of this Lordsaid Moore has to be a part of
this Sheila storyline, because it madeno sense that this girl didn't know nothing
about Sheila being alive dead live deadlives. So kutos to them for giving
us the history of their match.Okay, now going into the present,

(56:32):
here, Sean Cannan, Sean Cannes, Sean Cannan, I'm getting your emmy
real together, honey, because thephrase that will live on forever te tom
te toun tomb. Because the thingis that that's how we were going to

(56:55):
figure out if that was Sheila ornot. You know how like some people
like a black on Dave's has ascar, allegedly Katie has a scar because
their heart, right, that's howyou want to identify our body is that
if this person has all their fingers, thumb, you know all that stuff.
Okay, so he got deacon who'sbeen team Sheela, but he has

(57:20):
some okay people, Anthony David,come with me to the Church of William
J. Bell and Lee Phillip Bell. For a minute, we have been
saying Sheila has been calm. Sheshe wasn't changed, she was just calm.
But what's just saying calm before thestorm? Dopee girl, nother of

(57:45):
them. But you brought the sundyou made the storm into a hurricane.
You made the hurricane and toward tornado. Now we gotta try a factor of
all this because you doftee, youcreated this monster to come back. Celia
has only wanted a couple of thingsin her life. Let's go down the

(58:07):
list here a relations Well, no, let's go back let's go back.
Let's go back. Let's yeah,she wanted love. She wanted love.
He wanted acceptance, right, shetried to get that with it. You
know, we have to say beforelove. Honestly, she wanted acceptance,
acception. Okay, so acceptance love, Okay, acceptance love. She wanted

(58:34):
that united front with family. Okay. Now, now let's get to Fenny.
Ben has always wanted a relationship withSheila. Goes all the way back
to when we found out who hisbirth mom was. Then then because he
loved SETI hear me, love puthis want all the way and back.

(59:01):
That's what a good husband's supposed tobe. By the way, at a
boyfriend, m hm. I ain'tsay no names, but if you're listening,
hi, he said he did that. He didn't want to hurt anybody's
feelings. So that's being said anddone. But Sheila's always wanted a relationship
with Finn. But Stephie was alwaysthe one in the middle. Okay,

(59:24):
Yeah, shooting by by bye byefop and everything else like that. Now
fast forward, you got Sheila tryingto play the innocent victim, but she's
actually got what she wanted. Ifyou saw today's episode. It confirmed everything
that we've ever said about Finn andSheila and Stuffy. Finn is like,

(59:47):
this is a this is another chancefor me to really get to know her,
even though I know that you don'tlike her and everything. She saved
you, Stuffy, she saved youfrom from sugar that's over there? Like
what what see? Like what likethe word Celia and he wrote don't go

(01:00:08):
together. This is such a classicCela Carter move that this it is.
And I know people are like,this is stupid. This is again.
Okay, I'm gonna jump in andget it. I'm gonna say, you
know what, let them all saythis is stupid because exactly what you just

(01:00:30):
said, this is a classic movewe have taken. We have taken d
I'm back into a corner space wherethere is no getting out of my crazy
and yet bing bang boom, herewe are four months later, and now
I'm the victim collecting sympathy from theone person that I needed the most.

(01:00:52):
And now I don't have to Idon't have to do anything else. The
first domino felt watch click like clicklickclick click click click. All the other
dominoes that I want to fall aregonna fall, except you know, there's
gonna be a spoiler somewhere in this, and Sheila's gonna come out of that

(01:01:13):
little shell that she's in right now, and the Shila that we know and
love is going to emerge. Butthis is classic Sheila, even when even
when she was on the Young andthe Restless canvas, there was always there
was always the front line plot,the bee line plot, and the sea
line plot that was going on thatnone of us know about. Once A

(01:01:35):
exploded and B was up there,then we got an inkling of what the
sea was. And when the seacame out, oo, wiggs came off,
earrings, blew across the room,boats blew up. You know,
babies would we don't want to talkabout what happened with baby. Hey,
yeah, it may feel it maybe, it may feel a little stupid

(01:01:58):
right now, because I will.That's great. Which if you don't know
Sheila from back in the day allthe way forward and again the notch of
Sugar and all that, so manypeople don't know the whole Sugar storyline and
they don't know all of that,so it doesn't feel connected in that way,

(01:02:19):
so it feels stupid. But thisis, this is not the end.
This is not in the middle.This is the beginning of a whole
nother arc. And the fact ofthe matter is Stephie is basically Stephanie Forrester.
At this point, Steffie is theStephanie of the Canvas and she knows

(01:02:42):
them. Wait say it again,Canvas I says, She's always kind of
in this situation, Jeffie has beenStephanie singer. Because the thing is that
another reason that Steffie is feeling acertain type of way. Okay, yes,
half of it does with round Finn. It does, how exactly what

(01:03:07):
the history of Celia and the familywhich Finn found out doing the You guys
remember the wedding where Brooke was kindof saying like, hey, she has
history with abc DFG. Keep inmind Cela also cut Thomas's hair, y'all
remember that brown grandma you know,did a B. C. D.

(01:03:30):
Ridge was in the in the AnIsland tunnel brook drunk got her drunk flight.
There's stuff that Sheila has done throughthe family that Steffie feels is though
she has to be the one.But the biggest thing that Stephie is why
stuffy is the way she is towardsSheila. Because of Sheila, Stephie and

(01:03:51):
Thomas and Phoebe didn't have their momfor yees and that has been a trigger
effect day one. And I'm gonnasay this right now. You know,
mister Bell, who I have muchmuch much respectful mister Bell and all the
showrunners at B and B, pleasedon't prove us wrong right now. Please

(01:04:17):
incorporate all this into the ark ofthis because you have said it, you
have actually said it up perfectly forus to finally get all the experiences that
we've been waiting for. When itcomes to Sheila and the history of before
us, the family and all ofthe tentacles that came out of it.

(01:04:40):
She would have been with her,with her, with her daddy, with
her granddaddy, with her uncle,she now her mother in law. She
shot you. You've built, youhave built an incredible piece of story that
can rock this show to its foundationin the best way possible. And please,

(01:05:05):
Kimberland Brown, Kimberlin Brown, ifyou happen to be listening to this,
anyone who knows how, anyone fromB and B, if you have
the production with whoever you may be, please please send, Please send Kimble
to us, please, we needto rejoice in what is it, thirty
six years of Shila, thirty threeyears, whatever it is we need to

(01:05:27):
take up. We need to takeat least one you forget about a half
hour interview. We need a onehour down the memory lane. Let's hit
all the highlights, let's talk aboutwhat you know. We'll talk a little
bit about the political career and allthat. But please send, please send
Shila aka Kimberland to us. Havingsaid that, though you have set this
storyline up very very well, writeit, write it hard, write it

(01:05:53):
hard. I'm glad of you.Oh I'm loving Clarify. I don't.
I don't think it's stupid. Ithink it's clever. But I don't.
But you can understand white people whodon't know that they've only been watching for
five seven years. You know thatthey don't understand it doesn't feel the same

(01:06:18):
way it does because they don't knowwho Sugar was. Probably well that too,
I remember her. That's why Isaid, like, okay, out
of the two shows, now thinkabout this, there's a lot of characters
who have history on other shows thatsadly the other shows are no longer on

(01:06:39):
the air, Cela Carter Wren saidMoore, as we add it, make
sure I got that right. DiagonSharp and but More are the last breeds
to have history on both Young andRussells and bowl in the Midful. However,
with Sheila, she started on Youngand Russells, but she has the

(01:07:00):
most history over a Bold and Beautiful. So it depends. Always say that
it depends on when you start watchingthe show to understand Sheila. And that's
why I was like, I thinkeverybody was praying that Tracy would bring Lauren
over to Bowling and Beautiful. Andyou need to flashback. I always say

(01:07:21):
this if you're lucky to still havethe original actors, flashbacks are the best
take hard you can flash back,you can show you like all the stuff
or her poisoning hearts Da da dada dah, because I do feel it
though some people have only seen thechained side of Sila, they haven't seen

(01:07:43):
the Cela that we all know.We know that Sheela can be nothing.
We know she can lay somebody necklacewith some drugs and make them go crazy
to where they want to jump offof a bridge. Ever, Lauren,
anybody, we know that she canbe you know she she can drown somebody.
Okay, she can you know,do a D, C and D.

(01:08:05):
And I'm gonna put this out thereright now, Anthony. You said
Kim, right, you want Kimon the show. Okay, let's make
that happen here. You know whoI want your vote to be for.
I need if you cannon that,I need if you cannon that I and
I'm sorry, yes, Brad,Hey, how you doing. I need

(01:08:26):
to know a little bit more ofwhy Sheila is so obsessed with Sin when
she does have other kids. I'mjust saying because if Anthony, if you
get into my brain here, becauseI could see a real delicious storyline.
It's like this summer and fall forthis because I feel it though Sin is

(01:08:50):
already going to be under Sheila's thumblike Stela has always wanted. This is
gonna cause touching between Stephanie and Finn. No, I do not need a
limb and stuffie, sorry, Liam. Stephie says I need a break for
a minute. And I like them, but I need a break. I'm
saying something that could be really delicious, and yeah, let's go, let's

(01:09:15):
let's go. I'm here for it. Mm hmm. I'm here. She's
such a prolific character. I mean, how many kids? I remember?
Mary? Then Richard's half sister,so remember Rick? Right, No,

(01:09:43):
okay, so here's the story aboutStila Carter's kids. Okay, so we
know about Mary, we know aboutthe little baby that masimon in her head
because remember Sheila does have it justhand. Yeah. And then the twins,

(01:10:08):
Dennis, the twins Rider Daisy.That okay, so it is Daisy.
It's well, okay, is RiderDaisy, Mary, Diana, John
Diana Okay, yeah, so that'sright. Yeah again, yep, six

(01:10:28):
kids. So Diana was mass andmode mm hmmm right, okay, yeah,
just refreshed my memory. What isthe last thing we know about Diana?
Jesse was a little baby. Wenever there was never anything else about
her, right, nope, wenever saw her sores. Uh huh hmhm

(01:10:57):
mm hmmm mm hmm. Let's go. Let's well, you know, we
we started this piece of the segmentoff with the I told you so,
I told you though, And it'snot because we're you know, soup soa
go gurus that blah blah blah blahblah. But we have all been watching
this since, you know, forme, since I'm three years old.

(01:11:19):
You know, we have all beenwatching this. We all kind of knew
it was just too it was tooThere was definitely an umbrella coming with all
of this, and I am sodown for the ride. So since we're
in CBS, why don't we takethat quick little jet plane over the Genera

(01:11:41):
City. Okay, wait, wait, wait, hold up. Before we
go to the VC, I needto say something. This is Canas is
editorial for right now for the voterequest bringing on Ivy brilliant, let me
pretty Rower Acthley Brewer. No,actually like girl like she was on Neighbors

(01:12:06):
by the way, I mean nominatedthe neighbors take y'all. I okay,
okay, let me let me letme cleanse myself Hope and stuffy, safe
and Hope. There are times whereI need Hope to really go there and
last out as Steffie. There aretimes where I'm like on Staffie's side once

(01:12:28):
when it comes down to hope.However, there are two kombay y'all sometimes
because I feel it. So there'ssome things that can't be said and done.
This is where you have the thirdparty comes in because Ivy has history
with both Hope and with Stuffy andfatly with Stuffy because Safi electrocuted that girl.
Y'all was there for that, y'all. Remember, I love the fact

(01:12:51):
that I even came back and she'slike my aunts on set on William.
We have been saying that Liam hasn'tlooked rather plus to William, y'all,
because even though he kids Stuffy twotimes, he's actually been focused on being
a good daddy. S gott kissing, you've been working out love it keep

(01:13:15):
sittness, fitness fit. But Ilike the fact that Liam has kind of
taken about out while Hope is stilldealing with the fact that Thomas and Stephanie's
dealing with sin and all this drama. So here comes Ivy and she's like,
I've been thinking about you and youknow, da da da da,
and she kisses. But then Stephielooks and I'm like, STEPPI girl,

(01:13:35):
now look, don't don't don't don'tdo it. Don't do it Stuffy.
Well, Steffie was like, oh, my cousin comes back in town and
doesn't tell me, but she's she'skissing Lim. I'm like the state of
it all. I'm enjoying so far. The banner between Ivy and stuffy because
here's the saying, Hope is notgoing to do it, but Ivy is

(01:13:58):
like, you know what we'll do. I gotta lose. He's gonna blow
it all up. And that rememberwhen I said so it was about a
month ago. Spoiler alert, somebody'sgonna come in to mess this whole thing
up. Mmmm jang jang. Andby the way, poison eye. And

(01:14:21):
here's the thing for those who keepsaying hoping, son, yo, guess
I ain't gonna know. Uh uhuh we just that something. We just
mel said something. Here's the thing. Ivy doesn't forget certain things. And
when there's an opportunity presented, Saphie, I kept telling you you need to

(01:14:43):
really watch out. You need toopen your eyes and look all the way
around. Yeah, you say yougot you're dealing with one problem. Oh
no, no, no, no, are you saying you could have two
problems? No? She could havethree problems? Well, well you really
want to go there? Hold up, it could be four. I just

(01:15:09):
thought about Okay, I'm just puttingout there. Hey, Brent, if
Brad, llayd Tracy, Rachel,all of you guys might go over at
Boller befool. If I get thisright, I want my Venmo. Please
tell me y'all not thinking about Ivyand Sela teaming up against Stuffy. Mm
hmm, Anthony, do we know? Do we know for a certain that

(01:15:33):
she's here there to here to stay? Or was that just a passive I
don't know. I don't know,But now getting hyps on my idea here
that Sela and Okay, I havea spoiler. All I can say is
she will be around long enough tobe the catalyst for all the dish to

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come out. And we got awedding coming up. Oh my god.
Yeah, just you know, twoweeks from now, I'm gonna have a
bunch of more there stuff like justcannot say right, but two weeks from
now we're gonna have some stuff totalk about. Mm hmm yeah, m
all right, Uh David, anylast minute thoughts on the balls and the

(01:16:21):
beautiful Uh No, I do notright now. I do I have one
thing to say? Okay, Ido. I do. We've taken the
hope journey with you. We've takenit. We've taken it. We've taken
it. Okay, y'all need y'allneed to solidify what you're doing with and

(01:16:45):
I have a feeling in two weekswhen we talk about the whole catalyst,
we're gonna see where Hope is goingnext. That's how I'm gonna say,
all right, let's go on overto the Bulls and the Beautiful, the
Restless Jenny Jenera City, and I'mgonna shot this off, Okay, Miss
Eileen Davidson for her or what wouldit be? Third? Right? A

(01:17:09):
third Emmy next year? I don'tknow. I don't know. It might
be a tough one next year becausewe got some competition. No, we
definitely got some competition. But shedefinitely, we definitely will see her in
that grouping of four or five withouta doubt. I Leen girl, you

(01:17:31):
know a month and a half ago, two months ago, on this show,
when we were speculating what is this? What is it gonna be?
I knew where this was going.Not think I've had inside information, but
because I have been watching soap opersince I'm three years old, I knew
this was going. Do you knowit's gonna be this job? I Leen
girl, I will tell you I'msorry, young and arrestles. I love

(01:17:56):
you, I love you, butthis is not the best material for ad
ID storyline. It just isn't comparedto other d i D storylines that have
happened. Having said that this isnot the worst, This is not the
worst the Ice storyline, we hadnever want to see them now, having
said that you have money Davidson playingit girl, girl, I am so,

(01:18:23):
I am oh every day you knowthat she's gone poll Okayn, I'm
for clem take it over, girl. Okay. So you know Candice does
not like a lot of d iD storylines. Thank you to the days
of our lives for learning the lastone for me to make me say that.

(01:18:45):
However, and y'all thought I wasforget about the Billy avid one.
No, there's a reason I forgotabout that. That's I forgot about it.
I don't remember that and have amnesia. We forgot about it for real,
what I mean they brought it up. But you know, okay,
when I heard about this situation ofa situation, I said, okay,

(01:19:05):
Candace said back, Allie Davison cameto me in a dream. It says,
Candace, Baby, hold my handswith me. You was with me
through Santa Barbara, You was withme through Bold Honey, you was there

(01:19:27):
with me for days my lives whenI paid seventeen characters, you don't want
to do you and said my na, but no like this one. I'm
like, okay, I don't needfor because he's okay, let me back

(01:19:50):
back. This is just like,this is a new situation for Ashley to
have mental disorder. By the way, may it's National mental health awareness,
myn please check yourself out. Okay. The thing is is that Ashley has
had mental issues since like nineteen eightytwo, okay, and we've been doing

(01:20:12):
with her. This happens to bethat the ice in on the cape,
so something has caused her to breakand she has been giving me life.
What's this? The fact that wehad as hey, hey girl who was
bungeing some TV shows. We havemissus Abbitt, who is very put together,

(01:20:33):
well kept. Then we have ofcourse Ashley, she's a hot nus.
And then we have bath from fromSavannah. I'm guessing she's from Savannah
and still on book. I waslike, okay. Aaron Spelling called okay,
good job, but I'm like,I'm intrigued because I want to see

(01:20:57):
where this is going. However,I said, just a couple of months
ago on this show. I said, something's gonna happen to talker, and
I telled I reg line. Isaid, Ashley is going to be the
cause of it. I didn't knowhow they were to do it, but
now I'm starting to saying, Josh, I know you too well. Are
you going to do what I thinkyou're going to do? Because if you

(01:21:19):
do it, I see somebody elsebeing a victim. I will say this.
Aileen Davison did her research because shesaid in an interview, but that's
what I've been worried about the most, is like I did not want this
to be the same to Jelway Tucker. Again, we don't know anything,

(01:21:41):
but this is the way it's beingset up. However, was that being
set like I said? Aleen Davison, Aleen Davison, Aleen Davison, twenty
twenty three, lead us this nobetyyears for the Young send the rest?
Yes, mm hm, David,Well, let's let's get David take me

(01:22:06):
a quick good. Yes. I'mreally enjoying it, and I'm wondering if
there's anybody else coming out. Ithink we're gonna see at least one more
personality, yes, one more.So we've seen ash that's the little girl
that Bill. That's what I thoughtwas well, Like I said that one

(01:22:31):
article I saw they labeled her cherry. But maybe, you know, maybe
that was just their thing. Butthat's how I but that's Ash. We've
got miss Abbott who is would yousay she's the gatekeeper? She is?

(01:22:53):
You know what? I don't thinkso I think there's somebody else who's a
gatekeeper. Yep, I agree,because we haven't met yet and now we
have Bell. Okay. So Iwas completely on board with Candice when we

(01:23:14):
discussed this the last time a fewmonths ago. Unfortunately, I have now
diverged with what we've seen with Ash. I think Tucker is somehow involved or
something that happened with Tucker evoked somethingthat happened with a young and we're gonna
get a we're gonna get a historyrewrite or history that we would never privy

(01:23:39):
to on screen that's gonna come upin this storyline. But with the way
that they've played Ash, there's somethingvery deeper, deeper than Tucker. Don't
forget Tucker only came into her lifewhat twelve thirteen years ago, so right
right back around the baby switch.Yeah, I believe so you know,

(01:24:03):
I believe that something with Tucker mayhave splintered and made, you know,
made the displintering come to life.But I believe that there's something deeper,
way way back that's gonna come outin all of this, and it's because
of the way they're playing the ashcharacter of the d I d uh so,

(01:24:31):
I'm I'm truly hoping that this isn'tTuck's gonna end up dead. They're
gonna wonder who did it. We'reall gonna know it was at least one
of Ashley's personalities, et cetera,et cetera, that have been told.
We've done that, We've done thaton how many different shows. At this
point, I think, if y'all, if my theory is correct, I

(01:24:53):
have no inside information on this.This is just the theory that I'm throwing
out there based upon what I'm seeingon screen. I think that something Chuckle
did made the final fracture happen.But the jenitis of the fracture is gonna
come from something we don't know about. That's gonna open up a whole another

(01:25:14):
canvas storyline. And let's not today, who is Ashley's daddy is Grady Davis?
Mm hmm. Let's all just keepthat in mind. That's all I'm
gonna say on that. All right, So we have talked, we have

(01:25:35):
we have spoken about that. Nownow let's talk about the big elephant in
the room. Canvas. You wantto guess what I think is the big
elephant in the room. What's thebig as of the room? Jill,
Jill, that's that, you knowwhat I think there is? Actually there

(01:25:56):
are two big elephants in the room. Because yes, Jail, yes,
absolutely, but Nikki too. Butlet's go with Jill first ahead, David
tell us, well, from whatI saw, Jill is stepping down from
Chancellor Winters and letting Billy take over. Because and I am that is just

(01:26:23):
I don't know and that surprises meor I just found that strange. I
mean, this is gonna throw thebusiness, you know, all off kilter,
because we know that Devon has troublewith Billy, he has trouble with
Billy. I think that's gonna throwa wrench, you know, big fat

(01:26:53):
Do you think there's a secret aboutto come out? Hey? Thank you
girl. Okay, here's the thing, Hey, Josh, Josh, look,
I know that there a lot ofchange is going over as younger russis
right now, and I'm just I'mgonna keep my mouth shut, but just

(01:27:14):
stick to the writing, honey,Okay, name right, Okay, Rite
the Foremost and Lily and Devon andNate, y'all gotta show y'all aren't some
respect, okay, because I'm nota certain type of way about y'all.
I mean, y'all, y'all littlekids, So don't disrespect my eldest.
Okay, regarding Billy's in certain likethis is okay, Okay a name except

(01:27:44):
kept saying something was going on withJill, like Jill is like abc DSG.
Billy is all like, well,my mom said I can run the
company and stuff like that too.I need for everybody to split because this
combinding situation and it's not helping anybody. I do think there's a secret that's
about to blow up, and Ithink Jill like that is the reason Jill

(01:28:08):
stepped down because something is up onher and that's probably nobody. Somebody knows.
And see, you know, Jill, Jill always finds a way to
kind of be like, well,you know what I did my part.
I'm gonna go out, but it'sgonna be interesting because Jill did fire Billy

(01:28:30):
first and put and putting Lily inin power the Vanney may or like or
like, we don't trust Billy likebecause they even remember they even asked chance.
They said the chance, wouldn't youthink? And chances like. I'm
out of this because Billy made asinger about saying, hey, my,

(01:28:51):
let my less. My legacy ison the line too, baby, you
can create your own legacy out outside. Hello, bring back Russell South for
all we care. It's something aboutto go down between the whole arrangement,
So I'm here for Yeah, yep, I am too. Juish probably will

(01:29:11):
have something to talk about on thatfront too. Can't say what it is,
but trust me, there's a reason. All right, David talks to
me about Nikki. Oh gee,Nicky is Nicki's in rehab now. But
that whole thing with her and Jack, I have some that was pretty odd,

(01:29:43):
and I I see more repercussions happeningwith Jack. I don't think he's
totally over it. That, Imean, he's in it now. That
was that was I'm sorry, butthat was dumb. Okay first and four

(01:30:03):
months let me let me let mesay this, right, now Melanie Thomas
Scott they did. First of all, congratulations to you because you are going
to get an Emmy this year atabsolutely and a couple of weeks you and
your husband will take your rifle placefor that for that Mike Thomas Team and
award, even though you should havebeen nominated. But you know what,
I'm gonna let that onk like becausenext year, Magbe you will be nominated.

(01:30:26):
Okay, Peter the Man, theMess of Legend, I'll see you
next year at the day shonon Lemmiesas well. Yeah, it was that
episode. Let me just say thisfor those who don't know that episode actually
was was It made history. Itwas the first time on any so you
only had two actors the whole time, the whole show the whole time.

(01:30:49):
The whole show was just so too. They made history. Let me tell
you something. We was, AnthonyDavid. Let me tell you what happened
that day. We were privileged towitness greatness between you two actors. Okay,

(01:31:10):
we went through it. We wentthrough it with them. We saw
a man, We saw a manwho had the right idea of helping his
friend who who's been there with forforty years. He saw this though.
Okay, I'm mister, I canfix it. I can think anything.

(01:31:31):
I can think Nikki. But onceyou go and I kept telling this a
lot of people, once you witnessed, once you go into that environment,
everything changes. The reality becomes dark. And the fact is is that Nikki

(01:31:54):
has already Look, this wasn't herchoice in the sense because she was remember
we gotta go back. He wasforced to have to drink because of Jordan's
yes and Sparrow out of control becauseNikki was trying to keep it together.
But she got dated. Jack gotdated as well, and with that being

(01:32:18):
dated, Jack had to open upin a way that he hasn't been able
to any years. You gotta thinkabout this. For years, he's been
trying to be John Abbot. Okay, he's been trying to be the best
father, the best brother, thebest son, the best business partner,

(01:32:42):
the best sponsor, the best everything. When you get to that point,
you break. When you see somebodythat you're supposed to help, that's what
you break, You crack. Jackwas the second. And say this because
the other layer of bios he lovesher. Oh I'm not saying he wants

(01:33:04):
to be with her. And wantsto bet, but he loves her.
He is her rider, die friend, and they had romantic galliances and maybe
they will get somebody in the future. But he learns dance history. He
wants to cure her. He wantsto bring her back into the light,

(01:33:29):
because that's his core character, andhe's always he's doing what he's doing,
what he did thirty almost thirty yearsago. Let's go back to thirty years
ago when YI was really drunk andwas and Jack blamed Victor, and Victor
was blamed and Nick and NICKI couldn'tget any help, and Jack has said,
you either do it or you don't. He's trying to, like you

(01:33:51):
said, pull her from the darkness. But again, when I was let
me say, when I was watchingthis, I salted because everything that was
being said was freaking true. WhenJack started to say, hey, you
know what I'm going to do abcDFG, it was it was crazy to

(01:34:14):
think of this the way that I'mgonna say it. But when he went
in there, it was as ifhe was the one that was crying out
for help and thought that y'all wouldbe the one to pull him from the
darkness. I care from both anglesbecause his to say when he had the
drug dealers number stewing his phone,I was like, oh crap, But

(01:34:35):
I understood where he was coming fromwith that when he went ahead and he
was like, come on, let'sgo loose because his has been going on
with my family. My sister iscrazy, my son and my wife and
said da da da da. WhenJack started listening his problems, and then
you sit down and you're thinking toyourself. Jack has nobody to really talk
to. He can't talk to ceylists, Neil is no longer what us.

(01:35:00):
You can't talk. He can't talkto his son, he can't talk to
Diane, he can't talk to Tracy. He can't talk to Ashley because Ashley
is that was testing enough anything andAbby and Abby Abby just Abby, Abby
is just abby. Jack has noboy team to talk to. So when

(01:35:25):
he when he was doing all ofthat, I was like, oh my
god, he's going down. He'sgoing down there too. Nigga's over there
saying this would have been a betterfriend. Ye think, yes, think.
I was really yelling at the TV. But when he when he did
what he did, and he wasfar gone, I got I'm gonna be

(01:35:46):
honest, Peter Bergman, you gotme scared because I kept saying something is
going to happen between one of them. When Jack passed out, I was
like, ain't my joy? Iwas like, right now, how's Niggy
gonna explain this? How is Niggaexplaining this to Victor? How is they

(01:36:09):
gonna explain this to Diane's How theygonna explain this whole situation? When Victor
showed up and the disgust he hadon his face. For those who don't
know, this is in the firsttime that Victors has had that Victor had
had that up towards Nicky because thelast time I saw that discuss and his
range was when he saw Nikki sleepingwith Dincon Sharp, Yes, Dincon Shark,

(01:36:33):
when ye be drunk and in thathotel room when Jack, I think,
oh my god, this is sucha beautiful umbrella. It's not so
much that the history of Jack andVictor is being played, But the thing
is is that with Victor, hecouldn't save Nikki from Jordan's, but damn

(01:36:56):
it, he can save Nikki fromJack. Nick just and Ego has been
bruised because of Jordan's. Nicky hasbeen ruined because of Jordan's because the Jorn
and doing with Nick to Nicky.Now that's involved, and because of what
happens now that is gonna have tosay some consequences because giants can I the

(01:37:19):
way hold on Candade because it goesa little deeper than that, because it
goes it goes down to the factthat whenever Victor couldn't, Jack could could.
Whenever Victor couldn't, Jack could.So that's the that's a motivation that's
always underneath it all, because thishas always pleaded the fact that Nicky that

(01:37:44):
his own daughter, that that certainpeople in his life look to Jackie and
to understand that Jack is the moralcompass that Nicky can never be. That's
old playing underneath it all too.There's are us. It was just delicious
television because you saw the discuss andthen when Vicky comes over there to Jack

(01:38:08):
Frisk promost whoever brought back to musiccue thank you because when he was he
was like you stay away from Nicky, you understand, Like I was like,
i was like, I'm going seethat's that would make me scared.
I'll be like, you know what, Jack, maybe you just need to
shut the door because now Diane feelsa certain type of way, just like

(01:38:30):
I said, this is I'm gonnabe honest. That week was William J.
Bell. It was the spirit JBell because that was well crafted.
That was very well crafted. Theybrought back the wine cellar and from the

(01:38:50):
Newmans, like when when Victy comesJulia's husband, and now I'm like,
like b list come true? Wasfor give me the old the old drama
because now it's like we have tosave NICKI, who's now going to rehab

(01:39:13):
and you have Victoria and nick youknow like we didn't know, we didn't
know, But that tells you thatyou're so wound up in your own lives
and we get it said you didn'teven know that your mom was drinking,
boozing up and stuff with. Yetnow the question is, first of all,
why did you even go down thatpath for Nicky new one? And

(01:39:38):
this is me being Diane right Two, how can I trust you? Now?
How do I know you're not gonnago ahead and do like NICKI go
somewhere pill popping, drinking and everysaying like, how do I not know
what's going on anymore? This isthis is this is this is so bad.

(01:39:58):
It stuff so to wrap this allup because we have, you know,
twenty minutes left and two other showsto go to. I do have
to say I have been up anddown with The Young the Restless for the
last you know, a couple ofmonths. As you know, we go
through cycles with all the shows.You know, it's good, it's bad,

(01:40:19):
it's mediocre, et cetera, etcetera. I do have to say,
first off, that next standalone episode, Oh my god. The writing
was brilliant, the acting was brilliant. You set it up again, you
know, like going back to whatwe were saying the ball before. It's
been set up again. We've gota lot of good, juicy stuff to

(01:40:40):
play with right now. It's goingto be the fallout of it all that
makes the breaks. Let's not let'snot let this be the happy hook of
storyline. I always go back tothe happy Yoka storyline. Let's not just
let this be the happy Yoka storylineor the you know what's his name?
J JZ that came back neither onehere. Well, yeah, so Young
and the Restless. We're gonna talkagain in two weeks. We're all here,

(01:41:04):
We're all on the edge of ourfeat Please continue to play these beats.
Now, let's hop on the RedEye and jump over to Salem.
Candace, Candace, Candace Girl.That was the two and a half minute
recap of the goings on in Salem. Greg Law was shirtless and I think

(01:41:26):
he was necond under that aprin OnFriday, for the Mother's Day episode,
the truth came out about the babythat e J is not the father allegedly
we got to know and Johnny happy, but then they got the up stating
news because of Paulina and the radiationTonell was exposed, but to know,

(01:41:51):
for the most part doesn't have anyradiation poisoning. However, surprise, surprise,
Johnny and Sanel are having a baby. But the bay maybe he might
have been exposed. So now there'sa difficutle choice to make. Chanel and
Paulina they had it out where Chanelsaid, don't make it all about yourself,
but Paulina's like, as a mother, you have to understand where I

(01:42:11):
was coming from. Holly. Hollyread it out like kind of still have
an issue with Nicole because you knowit is what it is. And to
top it all off, my favoritefavorite parents, Kristen and Alex, they
got it going. I think Ithink I was coughed with everything. I
think I'm coughed everything right. Ohand Maggie all right, and Maggie found

(01:42:35):
out she's being played Ye okay,First off, I have to give Jusie
and Rogers again, girl girl,the wrong red head, the long redhead.
Oh, David, tell me,tell me right now. Where do

(01:43:00):
you see those two spaces going?Which one? Maggie, Maggie and Constantine
and Chanelle, uh, Paulina andand Johnny. Oh good well, Chanelle,

(01:43:24):
Pauline and Johnny. It's gonna Uh. I don't know. I think
if they play it right, maybethey're gonna They're gonna be at odds for
a while. And until we knowif that baby is gonna come or not.

(01:43:47):
It's it's a hard pill to swallow. She is Paulina is her mother,
and she's not thinking about anybody butherself probably, and she's just thinking
of wanting to get her girl.But I don't know. I am all

(01:44:10):
right, David, I love you, I love you, I love you.
But I'm gonna jump in here.I think that this is the storyline
meant to catapult Gianni into his truedemerines. Candice do you agree or no,
I agree, because okay, thereI think it was Friday. What's
Friday? Yeah, if you goto the Johnny and Chanelle scene, there's

(01:44:32):
a certain family trademarks that was presentedin that scene that I don't think a
lot of people cot but I yeah, yep, what I was talking about,
don't know it was And it wasthe Phoenix. They had the schedule
of the Phoenix was right there withJohnny. And so now when Johnny said,
we can you know, get throughanything, Canton deal. Okay,

(01:44:56):
Paulina, I'm gonna be honest withyou. I'm gonna I'm gonna give you.
Okay for those who people say comingdown hard on Paulina, I'm gonna
give her this. When you area parent, you don't have time to
wait for anybody to look for yourchild. Well, it's the police,
the FBI, the CIA, StarTrack, Air Force one. Your baby

(01:45:17):
is out there and only you ifyou have to be the one to find
that child. However, Paulina,you can't go anywhere because you were sick
and you was exposed to something thatis very toxic to other people. And
get I get it. I getit. But at the same time,

(01:45:41):
if something is to happen to eitherChanelle or that baby, run ashore.
Your daughter will not Yeah, no, Chanelle will never forgive you. Because
the thing is that if they say, you know, hypothetic speaking, this
child has something and they terminate.And I like the fact that Johnny and
Chanelle have been talking about this becausethis is real. If something happens to

(01:46:04):
that child, and let's just sayhypothetically, Chanelle can't have any kids after
this, Paulina. Because of that, Chanelle's gonna have a certain type of
way because here's the thing. Shekind of got a little smart when Johnny
said, well, do you wantto go through your MoMA on mother's sad
Now, I'd rather not, So, you know, Chanelle is still feeling

(01:46:29):
it right now. When Johnny,you know, like he has to say
about Johnny, sometimes I'd be like, are you sure you're EJ and Sammy's
baby because that sometimes I'm just likeokay with you, and I agree with

(01:46:49):
you. But they are setting itup to let him finally be seeing true
America. Yeah, I mean,here's the fact they had him in the
beginning stay many months ago. Butnow because of this and see this story,
i'mna be honest with you, thiswhole to now exposed to radiation and

(01:47:10):
Johnny being a demur. You know, it just reminded me of a little
bit when Lexie got her tumor.Oh, I would not have gone because
the state is you're working with mebecause those yeah yeah, yeah, because

(01:47:30):
Stephano was looking for like had somegems and stuff like that, and it
was in a tunnel and Lexie wentdown the tunnel and then next thing,
you know, she had a braintumor. The doctor had said because of
exposure to old dust and Stemno saidcould have been from like a mind or
could have been from a tunnel.Stefano had to blame himself because that's actually

(01:47:51):
how Lexie was exposed to that braintumor. So now fast forward, Yeah,
Johnny bennexnew to anything that was Paulina. However, Johnny and his grandfather's
grandson family means anything. If somebodyhurts a family member, racked the store,

(01:48:13):
and you know how Johnny feels aboutSnell. Yeah, I was going
to protect that woman no matter what. Pauline. He is Stephano's grandson,
but he's Sammy's son. Oh yeah, so you know, let this be
because it feels like and Candice,you were right there, and thank you

(01:48:34):
so much for being right there whereI was. The phoenix gave it away.
Oh God, pray because we areso ready for it. You gave
us, and thank you for doingit. Honestly, I'm gonna say this
because I hured you all on socialmedia. I hured you. But you
know what, if they didn't giveus Johnny this way, would we love

(01:48:56):
him the way we love him nowand when he's about to go, you
know, full full Damara, we'regonna love him. But you know we're
gonna be like el and Ic andyeah, yeah, y'ah. So if
they had brought him on as Sammyand e j Son the way we want
Sammy and e j Son to befrom the beginning, we wouldn't be invested.

(01:49:17):
I'm going this route because I thinkif they do this, and I
think they are doing this, it'sgonna be good. And this actor,
I don't know who he is inreal life. I'm so sorry. Botman
boatman, that's right, Yeah,a boatman. He is so good.
He is so damn good. He'sgot the chops to stand up to ej

(01:49:41):
He's got the chops to play withall of the actors that have the you
know, the oh, so pleaseplease please be doing this. I'm not
the real how you got us here, but since we're here, we're gonna
deal with it. You know,I felt the same way about Gabby and
the Hard and you know, Stepan, Stephano, Stephan Junior, all those

(01:50:03):
Yeah, Jake, blah blah blah. All right, Nicole, I'm just
gonna say this. They're writing theexit storyline. So I don't like it.
I'm not there, really not feelingit, but I understand what they're
doing. They're writing the exits storyline. So we're just gonna have to write
it out and hope that Days ofour Lives will come to this census in

(01:50:27):
the very very near future because we'resix months ahead and get Arianna Zuka back
on Canvas. All right, andwe have a date. The final air
date is the beginning of the lastweek of June. Yeah, July,
Oh, the last week of July. The last week of July. Yes,
all right, let's say my questionAnthony and Canvas, Candace, I

(01:50:51):
post to you on the last show, do you think they're gonna kill if
can't leaving days will help Ari's case, do I think it's gonna help.
It's gonna help our guys. I'mif I'm gonna step in here and I'm
gonna I'm gonna take this and youcan Rebut if you want. Here's the

(01:51:14):
thing, David, when it comesto the actual show, it really doesn't
matter who's behind the scenes. Peoplelove Ari. People want Ari when they
figure out the behind the scenes mass, which they're in the middle of figuring
it out now. People want herand if they come back to her with
an attractive offer. She wants togive the fans what they want and she

(01:51:36):
also wants to work. So wewill probably see Arianna back on Days of
Our Lives. I pray and hopethat I'm correcting this, but basically it's
not yet that he's not there anymore. That does definitely counts, but it's
more of the fact that the showneeds to give us what we want to

(01:51:57):
see, and she is someone westill want I see, so they're gonna
end up giving it to us atsome point. Candice, do you disagree?
Okay, so I kind of doin the sense that first I said
with Ari, I say with Ari, I have to say, because Steve
Kent, there's no longer at days, but he's still like younger and russis

(01:52:21):
I think on the on the show, the whole tape, Holly Nicole all
that. To me, I'm notreally intrigued because because sadly, we know
what's going on behind the scenes.We know they're alreadys leaders, so we
can't really get invested into a lotof the storylines. Agreed on that.
Yep. However, from a standpoint, as much as I want to see

(01:52:45):
Ari back at days, I'm gonnabe honest with you. To me,
if to me this is me beingme as Ari, I wouldn't go back
there. It's too toxic because there'sstill some things that is still lingering that
I can't really, you know,I can't. I couldn't go back to

(01:53:05):
If that makes sense, I dofeel I heed you on that. Let
me present the other side, rightmm hmm. For her to go back
at this point, it would bea statement, you need me. You
don't have Alison anymore. You don'tyou don't have Kristen anymore. You do

(01:53:28):
need me. I'm gonna come backon my terms. You want me,
I'll come back. These are myterms. I see that. I see
that, But I'm also looking atand I'm just gonna say, this is
just my opinion on this. Ifeel it though obviously there's more problem in

(01:53:51):
my opinion, and I feel itthough. Yes it would be a statement,
but to some it would be awrong statement, if that makes sense,
because I do hear you. Iwant to say, I'm gonna say

(01:54:13):
this, money isn't everything. Moneyisn't everything. It is about your pride.
It is about your respect. Itis your value. And to me,
when you set down if you wantme, these a mighty right,
but you're going to them. Andif that's a message that that shows,
Candice, is that if you standup for yourself and you fight for yourself

(01:54:38):
and then you go back to somethingthat you love doing that you know brings
joy to so many people. Ifyou can stand up for yourself and get
everything you require and be able togo back and do that, what messages
that show? But I also cansee the flip side of it, And
sadly we've heard this is yeah,Okay, you want it, I'll give
it to you, but you're stillgoing to have to be on my rules.

(01:55:00):
You see what I'm saying, Likeit's a double floor, it's a
catch twenty two on that you're alwaysgonna be under somebody's rules. But I
see what I'm saying. What I'msaying is is that it's like if I
come back like, Okay, Imade a statement, I'm well, I'm
doing not only the production but alsothe distributor. So I remember, if

(01:55:25):
Sony and Kim Corday and if theysettle out of court, right, Okay,
that's a when. However, goingback, going back to it,
that's gonna be an iffy situation thatif they do, if she has to

(01:55:45):
cross that line, but it alsoshows that she was never in it for
the money. She wasn't understanding.But sometimes you don't. Sometimes you don't
have to. But see, forme, I was just say for me,
and if the situation was the situationfor me, I'm gonna be honest.
It's not that I wouldn't want togo back. It's just the fact

(01:56:10):
that I made my statement. Iproved my point. It's not about the
money. You're right, but can'tjust say about this. So I hear
you that in your in your world, the way you are, I get
that it's so right, But whenyou listen to all the interviews that Aria
ever gave over her career. Sheloves giving the audience Nicole. She loves

(01:56:34):
playing that character. And so ifshe gets to say to them, I'll
come back. These are my terms. Give that to me and I'll come
back, it's a victory. Shegets to go back to doing what she
loves and she stood up for herselfand made it so that she got what
she wanted, and at this pointthey're probably going to give it to her.

(01:56:56):
I'm sorry to say, but Nicoleis one of the key pieces.
Is the I agree with that,but I'm also looking at There's a couple
of things that I'm looking at becauseyeah, you come back, but again
it's it's yeah, it's a it'sa it's a situation that is really just

(01:57:17):
saying that, you see, you'veheard the stories, You've seen the stories
and whatnot. I'm not knocking everything. I do hope for the best for
Ari I do. I'm looking atthe show because right now the show is
gearing up for some things. I'mjust curious. I'm just curious of how
everything is going to play out,and I'm hoping that it plays out for

(01:57:40):
the best for everybody, for everypatient. Yeah. So with that,
being said, we only got acouple of minutes. Let me get to
General hospital real quick. God,girl is better. Let me just tell
you all this right now. Weare now officially because the ships was given

(01:58:00):
Corday and Patricks now we're now we'rein that transition. Now it's dumb.
However, let me remind you guys, ABC is still making the decisions.
I just want to point that outthere. Okay, so we got wedding,
wedding up. Okay, we gotthe wedding coming up. Let's see,

(01:58:23):
Oh see, what else is goingon? Carly, car Carly,
Jason told everybody he well not everybody, that he's working for the FBI thought
through quick. He working for theFBI. SAMs is involved in this what
we got girl, I'm gonna tellyou this. I'm loving the whole Heaven
storyline. I hear all you peoplein social media, but I'm swing into

(01:58:45):
it. Alan Mills is a greatHeather. Heather is a great character.
We have. We have gotten peopleback from the dead multiple times. We
have made love with aliens. Iam so okay with let me to get
away a metal condition and getting backall the streets of Port Charles. I'm
sorry I am. Thank you verymuch. We're gonna be back in two

(01:59:06):
weeks with great shows. Yep,yep, you guys, take care,
ask forever. Check it out.It's not on Amazon yet, but check
it out when it comes out.Thanks Kevin. Get connected with Take two

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