Talk Heathen 09.40 with Sydney Davis Jr. Jr. and Thinker

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
For centuries, women in the Bible have been painted as saints, sinners, saviors.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
And scapegoats. But what's the truth.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
How can women be told to sit at the feet
of their husbands and not to speak up in church
while also being taught about figures like Esther or Mary
Magdalene who did the complete opposite and gain praise for it.
Today we dive into the scripture's portrayal of women and
the way the Bible continues to contradict itself even in
this regard. If you disagree with us, or if you
think that the heroic women of the Bible actually fit

(00:29):
the narrative of the traditional Christian woman, then please call in,
because the show starts right now. All right, all right,
all right, everybody, Thank you so much for joining today
this October fifth, twenty twenty five. I am your host,

(00:51):
City Davis Junior, Junior, and I am joined here. I'm
so excited to introduce to you guys, Thinker, Thinker, Thank
you so much for joining us. I've been watching your
content all week. I'm so stoked to have you on
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
I'm excited, Like I said, I've been waiting for this
opportunity and I'm ready to dig in.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Heck yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
So for people who are unfamiliar, where can they find
more of your work or if they really enjoy the show,
where can they see more of you.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
I'm mostly on TikTok.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
I do lives from I'm third shift, so i do
lives for the third shifters, day insimoniacs and the truck drivers.
But I'm live in m and PM Central Sunday, Monday, Tuesday,
and Thursdays and then until ten thirty am in the morning.
So we go long on TikTok and we have discussions

(01:37):
with believers, with people who are deconstructing and atheists where
we exchange ideas and information.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
We're focused on facts and data.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
So I'm mostly on TikTok, but also on here on
YouTube at arch Thinker stream.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
I'm not content to that too.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well, folks in the audience, please show them some love.
Please help us engage our new guests and invite them
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(02:15):
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love to talk to you guys, and this wouldn't be
a live call in show if we didn't have calls.
But luckily we have lots of calls today and that's
not even a lie. I'm looking at the list right here.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
It's pretty intense, really excited.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yes, yes, But before we hit those calls, I wanted
to talk a little bit about our mission statement here.
Talk he Than is a production of the Atheist Community
of Austin, a five oh one c three nonprofit organization
dedicated to the promotion of atheism, critical thinking, secular humanism,
and the separation of religion and government. Ladies and gentlemen,
let's give it a round of applause for separate religion

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and government. I must yes, very important. And finally, before
we dive into our calls, I would love to go
to the crew camp to highlight our crew today. They
are phenomenal. People couldn't do it without them. I love
matching people's voices I've been hearing for over a year
now with their faces, especially as I like connect with

(03:22):
you guys on social media. It's wonderful. So give it
up for our crew. But with that, I mean, I'm
cool just diving into some calls. If you're cool diving
into some calls, thinking.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
I'm cool with it, let's go.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Hey, yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Let's do it, all right, So this first call, we're
going to talk to Donald. He him from Louisiana has
the conception of God built on metaphysics and ideas of
forms and archetypes being transcendent of material reality. I'm going
to let Donald explain to me what that means. So
let's see here, all right, Donald, you are live.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Yes, I was calling in here because I previously had
a conversation with Scott Dicky and he had said to
call into this show. But uh, it's but I can.
I'll just repeat my argument from before. It's Uh, it's

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that God. You can take ideas from many philosophers like
like Berkeley, uh and uh Young and Plato's theory of form,
so and try to make an idea of God as Okay,
if you you have to take believe that there are

(04:44):
forms that are transcendent of physical reality, and that and
from and from Berkeley's idea that we uh that we
exist in the perception of the mind of God creates
creates physical reality. And you can also take union archetypes

(05:08):
of as emerging from God, and the collective and consciousness
of humans comes from stems and is a branch from God.
That that's kind of my idea.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Do you do you mind? Can you do me a favor?
Can you quick favor?

Speaker 6 (05:28):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Can you boil that down into your own words, like,
in your words, what is that idea? And what is
the question related to that idea? Because it sounds a
little it sounds it almost sounds a little bit like
a script. And so I'm struggling to kind of understand
what the question is. And so if you could just
in your own words, let me know what it is

(05:50):
you want us to answer for you or what you
want to discuss with us, that would help me, and
I think that would help the audience as well.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
Okay, I would say I believe God is a consciousness
that is connecting, that is, connecting the forms that reality
is perjected from. And I would yeah, that's and that

(06:18):
God is like an omnipresent observer that by its observation
and it's it's will, the the things of logical rules
and how everything is, how everything comes about, comes from

(06:39):
its observation and it's in its ideas. Okay, Basically everything
is God's mind.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
So God.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
So God is a brain or a computer essentially, and
God controls all of us, all life forms, all the
things that we think about, all the things that we do.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
And God is basically like the puppeteer for.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Lack of a better term, of everything going on as
an overall consciousness versus like a singular entity father figure
who just hopes the best for us.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Is what you're saying, Well, okay, I would be hesitant
to go with the analogy of a computer because that's
not why what right, But it is it is a
it is a it's a close analogy. So but I
and on the aspect of the father figure, I don't
think that is directly what God is, but that is

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an aspect of God as part of union archetypes. I
would say all the union archetypes that are like different
branches of different religions are are are stemming from the
collective unconscious and that is an aspect of God. They're
like partial truth?

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Does that make every I'm sorry, I just want to know, Like,
are you saying that basically like he's having a dream
and like humans are in his brain and he's just
observing that like we would a dream.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Is this what you're saying?

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Well, that is again, is an analogy, but that's closer
I would say. If we're going to make an analogy,
I'd say a very lucid dreamer.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yes, Okay, does that also make every religion true? Then
if that's the case, if God has something to do
with every single religion on.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
Earth, aspects of aspects of it can be true and
not not. I want I want to like take that
many of the things literally happened, but maybe some of
some of the things occurred, and then they were explained
with the with their ideas that a stem from God

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or they or some of the ideas. Some of the
things didn't happen at all, but behind it there is
a metaphorical meeting that that is a that is a
form of of kind of like I would say, uh,
ethical truth or like a truth about about people and

(09:10):
our relation with creation. But I will, I will, But
again they're partial truths. I would say there's there would
also be falsehoods a part of it as well. So
if we're gonna if we're gonna go with analogies, it's uh,
it's like, uh, it's like shadows. There is a there's

(09:31):
perfect forms, but we can only perceive the the shadows
of these forms, the projections of them.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
So now I think I understand even less now to
be just being totally honest. They're not trying to be disrespectful.
I was with you until the shadow forms analogy, So yeah,
I mean and think I feel free to interrupt me
at any point.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
I'm trying to figure out like if you're you're talking
about like ethics and like whether we are in control
or not in control right, and these things that you're
saying that even we perceive right could be false because
they're like shadows inside of this lucid dream that your

(10:12):
God is having right, yes, And I think that's the
part that has both of us. I'm confused because how
like how would we as humans even be responsible for
anything like your God is the one who's having the dream.
Your God is the one who's creating the dream. Like
this just sounds like predestination, right, with a whole bunch
of unnecessary words.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yes, yes, thank you, thinker, thank you for putting it
in a way that I wasn't sure how.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
To put it.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
That's just exactly what it sounds like, that that core
concept with a whole bunch of extra words.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Donald, I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Okay, yes, that is Yeah, that's getting to more of
the need of it. I think I would. I would
put it that. Yeah, I would say we emerge from
many of the actions that God create creates, and but

(11:08):
it is but we but we would have our own nature.
But I mean, if you want to get ultimately down
to it, yes, I would probably say, yeah, it's all
that determined and stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
But that so let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
If let's just say, God is this brain entity, this
knowledge entity, this overarching overseeing power, and it's it's, for
lack of a better term, predetermination. What does that then
leave for humans? What's the point? What's the purpose? What
do we do?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
If anything? Is there anything for us to do?

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Should we just live our day to day lives, since
we technically, under this idea don't even get to make
the decisions of the things we do. Are there still sinners?
Is hell still punishment? What would be the purpose of
a god wanting to do all of these things for
all of these people so much so that they develop
different religions and different belief systems in order to kind

(12:12):
of cope with what they're experiencing. I mean, do you
believe in like a heaven and a hell? Is there
still forgiveness and salvation needed?

Speaker 7 (12:23):
I would Or does it.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Bring you peace?

Speaker 8 (12:27):
Like?

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Does this idea bring you any kind of peace the
way that people describe God bringing them peace sometimes? Or
is it stressful if this were to be true.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
Oh, I would find it. I would find it stressful.
But that's that's if this, if this happened to be true,
that but that's my personal relation to it. But how
I would see it is the point would be each
of us have a given nature, and we have things
that are that are more constant about us than others.

(12:57):
But we are changing, and and I would say you
may not ultimately have like you you can say you
have like a kind of soft free will, like it
emerges from you and so many complex different things about life.
And I would and I would argue, your point would
be to kind of just play it out and develop,

(13:20):
and to play your role out and develop your own
your own nature and live.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
But what if you go to hell?

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Like I don't, I'm not willing to play that game.
I'm gonna be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
If somebody's like, I don't know, try it, but like
trying it could be hell. I don't know if I
like that, Donald, I think, I don't know if I
that seems.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
A little risky to me.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
But this sounds like like if this is your God's dream,
Like it sounds like that he's very self centered, right,
and think about what he's dreaming about right now, right,
like look at.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
The world around us.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
Like, first off, the majority of people are told that
they have to bow down and worship him, Right, that
sounds like a a very conceited, narcissistic mind or that
person isn't getting what they need and whatever other realm
they live in. And then they would dream this up
and with bully aspects in it, like like I don't,

(14:16):
I don't know why this would be anything that a
believer would think is happening.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
I don't appreciate a dream that includes the I, R
s and taxes.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
To be honest with Liah.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Right, like what like what what is the purpose of it?

Speaker 8 (14:29):
Like?

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Think about the things that he's dreaming, like what would
be the purpose of Okay?

Speaker 5 (14:33):
Yeah, again, this is even more speculative because we are
talking about we're talking about a mind that is beyond
time and can and understand so much like we're we're
like our individual lives are like a live and I
would I would argue that God is God, would probably think, Okay,

(14:59):
I'm going to put in some conditions, uh for suffering
and wants evolution and wants.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Us to But for what is the question? Though?

Speaker 6 (15:10):
Well?

Speaker 1 (15:10):
And also can like who can edit their dreams? I
can edit my dreams? Can you edit your dreams?

Speaker 5 (15:16):
Yes, if you're if you're aware you're dreaming. Yes, you
haven't had a lucid dream?

Speaker 3 (15:22):
What do you mean? You can edit your dream if
you're aware that you're.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
Dreaming, Like when I'm when I'm aware I'm dreaming, I
can change the I could change the environment in my
dream of what I'm dreaming about.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
I could change.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
But you can't go back and change what you've already dreamed.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
Yeah, but I could change my I could change my
memory of it.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Let's talk about this for a second. Wait a second,
and totally not being sarcastic. When I dream, I'm literally
at the mercy of my dreams. Like I don't know
if you guys have ever had those dreams where like
you can't yell, or you're you wake up in the
middle of Like have you ever had those dreams.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Where you wake up in your dreams?

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, Or like you're you're in your house, but you're
also like at work and there's like customers in your
room being like check me out, and you don't have
like it, you know what I mean, Like I can't
control any of that. I hate those dreams because there
is no control. So what we're supposing here is that
God is having a dream and he's dreaming all of
this stuff, which ninety percent of it is just not great,

(16:20):
to be honest with you, if we could just be
totally real, but that he can also edit his dreams
and change his dreams. To me, that makes it even
worse because that means he is dreaming about things like genuside,
he is dreaming about things like homeless people and starvation
and he can change it, but he's not. And he's

(16:41):
giving people free will except he's not. So does that
would this idea, like, let's just say that this is true,
would that make God any better or any more worthy
of worship if he could change the dream that he's
having and he chooses not to.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
I just want to say, this is the first time
I ever heard anybody I say, gods having a sleepers.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Dream, Like, yeah, sleep proalyssis dream and they just had
to put me in America in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
But I want, okay, I want to be clear. Well,
first again, we this was an analogy. I want to say,
it's exactly what you mean. But just going but going
along these these lines. If your question is about worship specifically,
I would say the goal would like I would say

(17:34):
there is truth to be found in religions, but I
would argue that they are there's also falsehoods, and I
would and I would argue that a being like this
again would be much more apathetic to our individual lives
and would and if were to concern itself with humanity
at all, would be much more concerned with us on

(17:56):
a much larger scale. And I would argue, like a
specific worship, like if you're trying to worship and you're
trying to uh uh like the point, I would say,
the point of worship is not to like get a
get get like your prayers answered, because like of course
they've done tests. The prayers don't affect the outcome of things.

(18:19):
It's not about really affecting outcome, And it's more about
trying about I would say, about coming to terms with
with God and trying to understand your place for yourself,
to try to develop your own mental mental fortitude to

(18:41):
deal with reality rather than you get anything. But I
wouldn't think this creator would want blind worship. That's that
seems so petty. I think that's that's more of a
thing of about control of religions to get people to
adhere and not question things. I would yeah, I would argue,

(19:01):
a God doesn't want it. It's ass kicked, it kissed constantly.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
But what is the purpose? Let's say this is it? Like,
I don't have you found a purpose yet of this?

Speaker 3 (19:13):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
I I have not found a purpose, and I've also
not found a benefit to me. It would actually I
would be more upset to find out that this is
the reality of what God is and what is going on?

Speaker 4 (19:26):
Yeah, Like it sounds like like why I don't I
don't quite understand, like if this is in fact your
God's dream or just you know, things that he's thinking
of in his mind and he's outside of time and space.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
So because he sees our life as a.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
Blip, I don't know why y'all keep saying that, because
your life doesn't feel like a blip to you, and the.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Thing, say, September felt like a blif. IM going to
be honest, Well, the.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Rapture came when the raptor was supposed coming over.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Yeah, But like saying that, he sees it as like
a nanosecond or a blip.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
So therefore, the way he decides to put.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
You know, genocide or homelessness on a person or cancer
on a person doesn't affect him the same way it
affects you. But you're the one here trying to figure
out who he is and why he does what he
does because it does affect you, right, And so what
I'm trying to understand is like, what, like, what is
the purpose for you to understand this and what does

(20:33):
this solve for you?

Speaker 5 (20:34):
Okay, my purpose mainly to be I okay, I'm thinking
of this as a possible conception of God that can
fit with all of the evidence of reality and the
And if this were true, then it would have implications

(20:55):
on ethics, and it would have metaphysical implications and as
well as like uh, there would as well as like
on physical reality, like interpret the interpretations of quantum mechanics
and stuff of the rules of reality, as particularly with

(21:17):
like ideas of the flow of time and entropy and
things like that.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Okay, So personally though, for your life right your day
to day, how is this How is having this information
going to affect your.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Day to day?

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Like what what do you hope to do differently or
better or stop doing? Once you're able to figure this out,
like you said that, it would have implications on ethics,
and I'm trying to figure out how.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
So okay, yes to because if this, if if it
is in the mind of the if this mind of
God is beyond physical reality and and can make and
can and many logical rules are stemming from its mind,
it also poses to say, hey, that ethics can can

(22:10):
be on some scale, can be somewhat can be objective.
That's that's the difference you getto you get out so
to try to understand what this means morality is and
ideas of morality, which I think would be very different
conception from what a human morality is like it would

(22:35):
be an like I would. But if you can figure
that out, that can be a more that can be
a better way of trying to figure out how you
should act and how civilization should tend towards.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
So if so, we're going on about twenty two minutes,
and I think what we should do is we should
have you call about it a little bit, think about
the question that thinker asked you in terms of you know,
what does this mean, what would this look like?

Speaker 2 (23:07):
What would the purpose be?

Speaker 7 (23:08):
What?

Speaker 1 (23:10):
And then call us back maybe next Sunday or once
you've had a chance to kind of look into this
and think about this a little more and tell us
what you think. Because I don't want to leave our
other callers wait, but it's consider.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
Could you tell me like I had originally called in
here to talk about to talk to Scott Dickey and
talk to him about like how arguments for how there
can be like prescriptive knowledge and prescriptive laws, and because

(23:46):
that was one of his main objection before, and I
don't know when he's on, so could you tell me
when to call to get him or I.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Think she's having network issues.

Speaker 8 (23:59):
But.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Let's see. Yeah, So can you guys hear me now?

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yes, for the crew in the back, if you could
stand by my internet at the moment, we can't hear you, Kelly.

Speaker 7 (24:13):
Yeah, you know what. I had myself muted so I
wouldn't make any noise all two if you were on.
But yeah, you're absolutely right. I always say that's like
talking like an angel because one of our old hosts,
Johnny Angel, used to do it all the time. So
so can you can you hear me now?

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (24:30):
I was just wondering if the caller could.

Speaker 6 (24:32):
Oh, okay, yes, I can hear you.

Speaker 7 (24:33):
Hey, I do not have a scheduled for a future schedule.
To let you know, I was kind of like looking
it up right now. If you give me a second
and I'll try to see if I can tell you
when and if Scott Dickey is going to be on
in the future. Yes, but I I remember you calling
in and talking to him. He will be on the

(24:55):
twenty sixth of this month. Okay, thank you, Sure, that'll
be his next time hosting here we did. There are
like eight different hosts of the show and they all
switch off, so usually we get each host about once
a month.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
Okay, And I would just ask, just asking the would
would you two like me to call in again and
talk to you about this? Or is this conversation not
interesting to you?

Speaker 7 (25:21):
I don't know that I could give you some of
the responses that you It's not that it's not interesting.
I don't know that I'm schooled enough in the topic
to be able to have a good conversation with you.
And that would be my fault, not yours. Okay, I
know Scott was Scott has a big background on mathematics.
That's why he wanted to talk to you again about it.
So yeah, and me me, I'm the kind of guy

(25:43):
that I would rather go fishing and not do math.
If I can get away with not doing math, I'm
doing something else, so.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
Okay, yeah, so yeah, I mean, if you have something
else you want to talk about with me, I'd be
more than happy to talk about that.

Speaker 7 (25:58):
Or you know, we can move on to the next
caller if you if you like, yeah, uh.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
Yeah, just uh, don't want to take the other caller's time.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
Okay, well, thank thanks for calling in. I appreciate it,
and I will let Scott think you know what, you're
going to call him on the twenty sixth. Okay, yes,
all right, cool, thank you, thank you so much for
calling in, and I will hope to hear from you
more in the future.

Speaker 5 (26:19):
You too, all right.

Speaker 7 (26:20):
I'm putting myself in the driver's seat suddenly, so you
got to give me all a second to take over
the phones. Here we have another caller, Anatoly from New
York's and he him and Anatoli and I were talking
before the show. I was encouraging him to call in,
so I'm glad you did. Hi, Anatoli, how are you doing?

Speaker 6 (26:38):
Hello?

Speaker 7 (26:39):
Hell, it's our call. Skirner put down here. Most people
turn away from religious beliefs because they don't understand what
they are turning away from. Is that is that your yes? Okay?

Speaker 6 (26:50):
I would say all religious beliefs. I wouldn't just say
my particular religious beliefs in general, because I do think
that it's a co inside.

Speaker 7 (26:56):
Why do you why do you just automatically assume that
they don't understand it?

Speaker 6 (27:00):
Well? Because they don't? Okay? Could I give my position
that I was given to like that I was giving
to people in the comments. Sure, and my understanding of
how I see God and like Christianity, let's say, and
then like we'll go through if I'm wrong almost, if
that's fair.

Speaker 7 (27:19):
Sure, I just yeah, I'm just I'm that. Just before
we get started, though, I want to reiterate my question,
why do you think that they don't understand? What is
it that you know? Because like you're basically making a
judgment call on somebody's intelligence or okay, I mean please
let me, please, let me finish. So you're basically making
a judgment call on what somebody has inside their head,

(27:42):
or their their intelligence level, or their belief system without
actually talking to or knowing what that person has in
their head. So I'm wondering how you're getting to this,
this this idea that people just don't understand. How do
you know that they do understand and have rejected it
just out of understanding?

Speaker 6 (28:00):
That also might be true, But I'm saying most people.
I didn't say everybody, right, I didn't say I mean, you.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Still need to answer that. Even from the most.

Speaker 7 (28:08):
You'd still have to answer about why you know what's
going on? In somebody else's head, Well, thank.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
You, sure, sure, sure not problem I could I could like,
sure not problem, I will, I will save my position.
I think it's a problem of definition. So I think
that what ends up happening is that people that are
let's say, scientifically knowledgeable right generally don't have the same
definitions for things in the Bible that religious people don't.

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And that's where the mixup happens.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Y'all have a different vocabulary.

Speaker 6 (28:36):
Is that okay? And I'm willing to give my definitions
and I and I am sure that they align with
what's actually written in the books, so they're not mine.
And most religious people, when you go to them, if
they're very religiously, if they're very knowledgeable in religious teachings,
they will say everything that I say to you just
a little bit different, and then you just won't hear
the same thing that they're saying.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Wait, but where are you getting these definitions from? Is
my question? Are you getting the definitions from the Bible.

Speaker 6 (29:02):
Written in the Bible? Yes? In my case, yes, for
from my religion, yes, because that's what I'm like, that's
let's say, that's what I know. But I'm not saying
that the definitions. In my example, I read some Hinduism books.
Oh sure, sure, So I'll lay out my position like
I said earlier, Like I'll lay out my position how
I sr universe and what's so Definitionally, God the Father

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is described as basically the structure of reality as well
as the social order that's laid on top of it.
So those two things together, that's position one. So God
the Father is actual reality in other words, and it's
a judge because like if.

Speaker 7 (29:39):
I didn't you just describe the laws of physics kind
of yeah, yeah, okay, So God is physics.

Speaker 6 (29:46):
No, I said that, it's it's defined in the Bible, right,
It's defined in the Bible as structural reality. So we
learned that structural reality is physics. So then yes, it's
it's so physics.

Speaker 7 (29:57):
So the Bible is So you're saying, the Bible is
the finding God as physics.

Speaker 6 (30:02):
And the structural and the structural order of social society
that's laid on top of it.

Speaker 7 (30:06):
Yes, okay, so physics plus sociology.

Speaker 6 (30:10):
Well no, because that's like every every like every civilization
has their own version of social order.

Speaker 7 (30:16):
So like, oh, that's what sociology is, you know, it's
just it studies the different social different society rights.

Speaker 6 (30:22):
Plus I understand, right, I don't mean just our society,
because when people say it like that, they usually mean neither.

Speaker 7 (30:29):
Did I That's why I said sociology instead of society.

Speaker 6 (30:32):
Sure, sure, sure, I just I guess I just made
it more clear for maybe theism.

Speaker 7 (30:37):
Okay, So so that's your that's your first point about God.

Speaker 6 (30:40):
I guess yes, And I think that that's what's written.
That's not just my point. So that's very, very distinctive.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
What scripture are you using for that?

Speaker 6 (30:47):
I think you could see this in every single one
of them really if you just read a like if
you were to just read a Christian Bible, any of them.
I don't care if it's Catholic. I don't care if
it's that. That's exactly how it's described as in every
single text about it.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
But you're saying that, you're saying that you have a
definition of things right, and like the you would have
to posit that every Christian gets this when they read
this book, right, every believer in your God gets this definition.
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, can you wait?

Speaker 7 (31:20):
Yeah? Please let her finish. You did the same thing
to me when somebody speaking, we were nice and you know,
go ahead, thinker.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
You just said something not true, Well, then you can
wait and respond to that not true thing, right, That's
how conversations work. Like you would have to posit like
that when believers read this text, right, I don't care
if you If you say, oh, the Holy Spirit gave
it to you, and everybody that you believe is a
true Christian gets the same definition when they read this book.

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There is no specific place in this book that gives well,
you freaking stop doing that. Like I don't know if
you need to pray or something while I'm talking, but
I think that your God gives you like self control
or patience or something. Can you exercise that, It's unnecessary
for you to be doing that. What I'm saying is,
if you're saying that just reading the stories in this

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book gives you the definition of what your God is,
that definition that you just gave, you would have to
say that every person that you believe is a true
Christian gets that same definition because there isn't anywhere in
this book that actually says what you said. Does that
make sense? The typical believer in response, I don't know

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like you.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Go ahead, Kel, I mean everybody, Sidney.

Speaker 6 (32:44):
The theory of evolution has to understand that the same way.
And I would argue with you that most people don't
understand evolution at all, even those who believe in it,
because I do.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
And well, wait a second, what do you mean understand?

Speaker 1 (32:57):
How do you how can you say that people who
believe in evolution don't know what evolution is about or
don't know anything about evolution.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Also, evolution isn't a belief systems, it's literally, it's reality.

Speaker 6 (33:08):
Do you disagree with.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
The fact that I'm very confused? I disagree with everything
that you're saying.

Speaker 6 (33:14):
Yes, what's so confusing about it?

Speaker 1 (33:16):
So you just said correct me if I'm wrong, But
you just said that even people who believe in evolution
don't know enough about evolution or don't understand evolution.

Speaker 6 (33:24):
Isn't what you said, Yes, yes, exactly, So actually, what.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Does that even? What does that even mean?

Speaker 6 (33:30):
Like?

Speaker 2 (33:30):
How where do you even come to that conclusion?

Speaker 3 (33:33):
I think he's saying that because I said, he's claiming.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
That the Bible has definitions in it, and he gave
an example of who his who the God is right,
he's basically saying that God is physics. And he said,
when you read the Bible, that's how you get the
definition of who this God is. So he's trying to say,
in defense of me saying that believers should all come

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to the same conclusion. He's trying to say that people
who believe in evolution don't all come to the same
conclusion or the same understanding. But evolution isn't making some
supernatural claim. You all are making a claim that you
are talking to or getting feelings from, uh, some supernatural

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entity and through his spirit, right, that gives you revelation
according to your Bible. And so if that spirit is
given all of y'all different definitions, well never mind, like
this is what words put me words to y'all.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Well, and here here's something I want to I want
to just tell for a minute that I think is
important to quantify. The Bible does not get to dictate
what words mean. That's like saying words mean what they
mean because the dictionary says, when in reality, dictionary is
just telling us what has already been decided.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
So by saying this is how says that I feel
like I'm glitching again. Talk for me, right, because I
decided right.

Speaker 6 (35:03):
The You're like, you're just laying out my positions for me, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Or are you talking to that again?

Speaker 6 (35:09):
I said, you're just laying out my positions. I don't
know why I even called in, and you're laying out
my positions. You're saying, you're putting words in my mouth. Basically,
I never said any of those things.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
No, No, I'm just I'm just describing what's happening. So
what's happening is you're using the Bible as an example
of truth and reality and where definition should come from.
And I'm saying that's actually not something that people should do.
You can't say God is real because the Bible says
that God is real, therefore the Bible is true.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
That's like, that doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Is not evidence that God is real and the Bible,
And so I'm basically saying that you're getting your arguments
from the Bible about why these things are true when
in reality you.

Speaker 6 (35:52):
Should Well, you guys are all losing your service, so weird.
I'm not it's me.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
What about the other girl, the other woman?

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah, what's he?

Speaker 3 (36:02):
What is he saying?

Speaker 2 (36:03):
He's whispering? I turned my volume up, but I can't hear.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
He said, we're all losing our.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
Service in a long thirty second dialogue, and I.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Said I have not, And then he said, what about
the other girl?

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Oh yeah, that's I think God is taking my internet away.
I think that's what's happening. I've been a non believer
for too long.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
I'm still trying to figure out this definition thing.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
And that's I feel. Did I do a good enough
job explaining what I was trying to say? Like by
by using the Bible to define things, that doesn't make
them true. That just means the Bible says them. And
we can do this cyclical thing where the Bible says
this is true, therefore it's true, even though that doesn't
prove anything, Like did I did I explain that well enough?
Like am I tripping?

Speaker 3 (36:44):
No, You're explained it? He but he's claiming that's not
what he's saying.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
So okay, So I'd love to hear what it is
he is saying. But that's what I heard.

Speaker 6 (36:51):
I got some time to respond, so I get a
long thirty second dialogue like everybody else.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Or if it makes sense, if we don't have any questions.

Speaker 6 (37:00):
Oh so you'll cut me off, So you'll cut me off,
I'll ask.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
You to explain last questions. I'll engage with you in
this conversation.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
What you stated. What you stated was that I believe
that most people that turn away from religious teaching don't
know what they're turning away from because it was bad. Right,
It was not true because definitionally right, everybody that reads
the Bible needs to get the same definition from And
what I stated was, can I actually say it and

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say that What I stated was that most people that
believe in the theory of evolution don't actually know how
it works. They just believe.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
That's not true.

Speaker 6 (37:35):
That doesn't mean it's not true. That could I please
state my theory. When I've spoken to most people about evolution, right,
they don't realize that evolution is blind, right, They don't
have an actual understanding of how it works. They believe
in it, but they don't actually know physically how it works.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
They don't really Evolution isn't a belief system, so you
keep talking about it, I guess some belief system. Evolution
isn't something to believe in.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
It it is something to believe.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
No, it's not. It's not a belief system.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
It's like a proven physical reality science.

Speaker 6 (38:09):
All science is just measurement. I agree. So there's no
morality in science.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
There's also no faith in it, like you, like with
your belief system.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
And what you're calling in about today is something that
you cannot see, right, something that you cannot test, right,
Like are you yelling over me right now with a
quiet whisper?

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yes, Okay, yeah, guess what.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
That's why they asked me to co host for me
to talk to you, And that's what I'm literally engaging
with your thoughts. Evolution is not something that you have
to have faith in, like your belief system, right, Like
you believe in things that you cannot see, things that
you hope for, like you hope that God exists. You
you literally said that you were doing it on the

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on the on the grounds of Christianity when you were
talking to Killy.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
So now do you want to you want to change?

Speaker 6 (38:59):
That is wrong? I'm sorry, I'm telling you. You're saying
my belief system is wrong. Attack it. What did I
say that was wrong?

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Did I say your belief system was wrong? Didn't say
they didn't say any of that.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
Oh so you didn't say that. Well, I think you.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Called in looking for a fight wrong.

Speaker 6 (39:13):
What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (39:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
I haven't I haven't talked to you, Like we're still
trying to figure out this definition thing. Like you've been
whining the whole time that you've been on the on
the line, Like you can barely even get out what
you want to say because you want to whine about
women talking over you and wanted to say.

Speaker 6 (39:30):
In one sentence because you want to mentally strain me.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Now you came in here fucking mentally strained you started.
You came in here that way. No, he did, and
I wasn't a greats you did. You've been whining since
you've been on the line, and I still haven't found
out like what definitions you're talking about?

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Like I'm trying to get to that.

Speaker 6 (39:48):
Sure, Okay, all right, let me say it so, God
the Father is the structure plus society. Jesus is the truth,
especially the spoken truth out loud, and and the Holy
Ghost is that inside of you that lets you be
reborn and learned. Because when you have to let go
a piece of yourself, that's wrong, especially if it's half

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of you, right then it hurts.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
What what what part of you are you referring to?
That you have to let go that hurts so bad
so you can get this holy spirit.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Inside of you? Why did like, do you know what
question I asked you?

Speaker 6 (40:23):
You said, ask somebody, why is it so hard? What
part of letting go of your what? All?

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Right?

Speaker 6 (40:28):
Go ahead?

Speaker 3 (40:29):
I'm sorry, ye see why that got okay? I'm not
what I want to know.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
Getting to your point, You're good at it.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
I got What I want to know is what part
of you did you have to let go that hurts
so bad so that you can take in this holy spirit?

Speaker 6 (40:47):
The truth? I don't know. It depends. It depends what's
wrong with my life and where I'm not seeing the truth.
It really depends on the person. If I'm If I'm
a drug addict, then it would be that when I
realized that, I would hurt a lot. If the fact
that my wife is cheating on me and I find
that out, that would be very hard. If I just
find out that, oh I don't know something that that's
not important. It's that it's easy to get rid.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Of so basic life things, things that people deal with
in everyday life.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Is what you're saying.

Speaker 6 (41:12):
I would say, Look, I would say things that put
you in the underworld, and you would say things that
make your stomach drop when somebody tells you.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
I mean, let me ask you a question.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
What is the difference between God's will or the Holy
Spirit's will and that's just life?

Speaker 3 (41:26):
What is the difference between those two?

Speaker 6 (41:28):
The Holy Spirit is that within you that lets you
accept new knowledge.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
I didn't ask you that, right and ask you what
the Holy Spirit? I didn't ask you what is the
Holy Spirit? Tell the I'm sorry, were you trying to
come in?

Speaker 7 (41:39):
No, I would know. I'm enjoying the conversation. I was
going to say, wow, that was a good question, but
going so yeah, keep going, You're doing great.

Speaker 6 (41:48):
No.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
I didn't ask what is the whole spirit?

Speaker 4 (41:50):
I said, what is the difference between this is the
Holy Spirit's will or God's will?

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Right? Or that's just life?

Speaker 6 (41:57):
God is the structure in society and the whole Spirit
is that within you that lets you learn?

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Right?

Speaker 3 (42:04):
And let me ask this question a different way.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Okay, Let's say you are talking to a friend, okay,
and a friend loses their job. What is the difference
between you saying to your friend, oh, that was the
will of God that you lost your job, or somebody
else saying that's just life. What is the difference between
those two statements.

Speaker 6 (42:26):
There's a huge difference because because in my conceptual reality,
I would look at the truth right, because every situation
is different, and I would say, is it your fault
you lost your job? Were you on drugs that you
lost your job? Were you fucking what did you do
to lose your job? Or did you just lose your job,
in which case you'll probably find another one.

Speaker 7 (42:43):
So what you're saying is if you got if you
suffered a financial layoff, that was God's will. But if
you got fired for drugs, that's your fault.

Speaker 6 (42:52):
No, I didn't. I didn't say that at all.

Speaker 7 (42:54):
I'm asking a question to clarify. I'm not saying this
is what you said. I did that in the form
of a question. Just clarify. Is what you're saying that
if you got find laid off because of financial hardship
of the company, that would be God's will. But if
you went to work on drugs, that would be your fault.
Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 6 (43:13):
Well, and also God's will also things together, Yes, but
the effect.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
On the person and what happened in life doesn't change.

Speaker 7 (43:22):
You're still out of a job right saying is there
is a story for this, There is a story for this.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
There's a story of job, right, there's.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
A story for everything. I think we all know the
story of job It is the oldest book of the Bible.

Speaker 6 (43:32):
So yeah, okay, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's that's
the story. That's yeah, exactly, it's God's will.

Speaker 7 (43:39):
Just because that that's a story does not make that
story true, right right, I mean, that's that's part of
the This was part of the conversation we were having
earlier before the show, is that you were saying, well,
this story is a story. I read this in a book,
so and you were just assuming that was true, but
you weren't providing any evidence that the actual story in
the book itself it's true. I said, And that's the

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problem that we were having.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Before, like, wait, you're flexing a story where your god
gave the power over his most loyal servant to his enemy,
like where your God was basically influenced by the devil
and didn't have enough power to say no to the devil.
Why are you flexing that story?

Speaker 6 (44:22):
Because it shows what actual saint is. It shows what
a person who everything that's horrible that happens to him,
still doesn't reject reality and curse it and makes himself he.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Did curse it. He did curse it.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Though in that story, Job cursed, he cursed reality, he
cursed being born.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
He cursed your God.

Speaker 6 (44:44):
That's not true.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
He did, Yes, he did. You need to read Job
chapter nine and ten. You need to read Joke chapter
nine ten, chapter eleven and actually sit down. He calls
your God unjust. He says that your God only cares
for the wicked. That, hey, can you fucking stop doing that?

Speaker 7 (45:04):
Yes, please don't talk over her. Please.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
If you read Job nine, ten and eleven, Job is
talking to your God or praying like to your God
in his mind, and he says to him, you are unjust.
You only care for the wicked or bless the wicked.
You trod on the old pressed you are, he says,

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are you human?

Speaker 5 (45:28):
Like?

Speaker 4 (45:28):
You ain't even human to where you can understand my plight?
Like Job does curse your God. He says a lot
of harsh things while he is going through this.

Speaker 7 (45:37):
I'm he still accepted the authority of God, but he
did curse God, And I think maybe that might be
where you're getting confused because he did still accept the
authority of God over him.

Speaker 6 (45:47):
Nope, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 (45:48):
So what I'm that didn't mean that. That didn't mean
you didn't curse him, because he does curse him.

Speaker 6 (45:52):
You're fired, right, and it's no fault of my own.
I just got fired because the economy or whatever, right,
and it's no fault of my own. Do I curse
reality because of it?

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (46:00):
Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't understand how at what
point were you're trying to make by bringing that up.
I'm not honestly, I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (46:07):
For a victim of the circumstance.

Speaker 7 (46:09):
Okay, and why do we remaking the point of victim
of a circumstance? That's what I'm not sure about.

Speaker 6 (46:15):
What I'm saying is psychologically the healthiest way to deal
with that is to not put yourself in the category
of victim ultimately.

Speaker 7 (46:22):
Okay. But you don't need God or Jesus or Allah
to do that, do you. I mean, you could do
that on your own. I don't put I don't consider
myself a victim, and I don't have need a God
to feel that way.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
I would I would even argue that people who believe
in a God make themselves a victim more than those.

Speaker 7 (46:40):
Who do not. I would too the fact, in fact,
Christianity is kind of based on being flawed. If you're
not flawed in a victim, then you don't need Jesus.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
You aren't flawed in a victim, and you do need Jesus.
You need the truth in order to actually guide you.

Speaker 7 (46:54):
You have wait, we let's let's wait. We went really
fast there, right, You said we need Jesus and then
you said we need the truth. Now, those two things
aren't dependent upon each other, that's first of all. So
first of all, why do I need Jesus? What is
it that Christians can do in this life that isn't
just the promise that nobody else can do? Why do
I need Jesus?

Speaker 6 (47:14):
I used to think it was so stupid. Look, I
used to think it was really dumb.

Speaker 7 (47:18):
When I I didn't ask you how you felt about it.
I asked you a specific question. What is it that
Christians can do that isn't just the promise that other
people can't do? Why do you need to have Jesus
to be.

Speaker 6 (47:32):
Able to get to the same understanding of reality? And
that's very difficult for us?

Speaker 7 (47:37):
I have a good understanding of reality. I don't get
I don't understand what that means to you. You keep
saying that, and I keep trying to tell you, you know,
people do have understandings of reality. Just because you don't
think people understand does not mean they don't understand. Agreed. Wait, wait,
just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean they

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don't understand you. Do you understand? That's what I.

Speaker 6 (48:00):
Said from the beginning. That's literally what the question like,
what I put the statement that I put forth to
you guys right to debate. That's literally what I said.

Speaker 7 (48:09):
No, I don't recall you ever saying that, but I
think maybe you should rewatch this if that's what you
think you said.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
And then I think, like, how are you saying that
you have an understanding of reality when the parts of
reality deal with things that are not.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Real or that haven't yet been proven to be real.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Right, Like the majority of your existence or your belief
system deals with the supernatural, Like you believe that you
came from a god from outside of time in space,
right Like you believe that you have this spirit inside
of you that you had to like get rid of
parts of the real you in order to take on

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this immaterial spirit, Like, how are you saying that you
have more of a grasp on reality when your mind
is in out of space?

Speaker 6 (48:58):
You even got the the I guarantee you the whole
Plato thing. I was listening to something. You guys are
talking about the Greeks. You don't even understand what the
Greeks were about, you guys who.

Speaker 7 (49:07):
Are talking about it. No wait, I'm gonna step in here,
because this is really starting to piss me off. You
do not get to say what is inside of another
person's head. You do not know. Neither one of us
are presupposing what you are thinking or what you know.
It's very insulting. Stop it.

Speaker 6 (49:25):
I actually said what I said about reality.

Speaker 7 (49:27):
That has nothing to do with you talking to telling
her talent think or what she's thinking or what she knows.
That has nothing to do with it. And if you
keep doing it, I'm gonna have I'm gonna have to
drop the call.

Speaker 6 (49:39):
Look, look, this is incredibly aggravating, and I think you
guys don't actually want.

Speaker 7 (49:42):
It is incredibly aggravating because you're doing something very insulting,
and you've been doing it from the very beginning. Your
premise of the call was even part of that. You
people don't understand. You are telling people that they what
is inside their head, what they are thinking, and it's very,
very insulting. You do not get to judge what is

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inside a person's brain because you do.

Speaker 6 (50:07):
Not know exactly.

Speaker 7 (50:09):
Yeah, so stop doing it a dialogue of so stop
doing it.

Speaker 6 (50:15):
So if I hear somebody saying a long dialogue about
what I believe about reality and I disagree with him,
am I allowed to say that's not what I believe?

Speaker 7 (50:24):
That's a different That's not what you were doing though.

Speaker 6 (50:26):
I'm Christian man, But are you sure you can do that?

Speaker 7 (50:29):
But that is not what you were doing.

Speaker 6 (50:31):
You literally started the sagment with what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Is you said that you had to get.

Speaker 7 (50:37):
Thing. Let's drop the whole meta thing and let's get
back to it. Okay, let's forget the whole meta thing. Now,
let's let's get a fresh start. Hi, how you doing
that this totallygue? How what'd you call in about today?

Speaker 6 (50:48):
I called in about to say that most people turn
away from religious teachings because they don't know what they're
actually turning away from.

Speaker 7 (50:57):
How do you know that that's true. How do you
know that they don't understand it?

Speaker 6 (51:00):
I'm inferring because I'm looking at the world and I
see how most people what most people say about religious
teaching when I ask.

Speaker 7 (51:07):
Them so, because they don't have the same idea of
religion as you do, you think they don't understand it?
Is that what you're saying.

Speaker 6 (51:12):
No, they have the same idea. That's literally not what
I said in my statement. They have the same idea.

Speaker 7 (51:16):
Okay, So what's different?

Speaker 5 (51:17):
Then?

Speaker 7 (51:18):
I don't I don't understand what you're what you're trying
to communicate.

Speaker 6 (51:20):
Sorry, what I'm saying is they just only see the
evil and the power. It's the whole thing with what
I was talking about Plato. Right. When I asked chat
GPT about this, I was like, oh, a structure. I
was like. I asked them about the Romans and their
their their views, or the Greeks and their views on homosexuality, right,
and their views were basically like this, Right if a

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man and a person who's younger than them in other words,
not as capable, right, in other words, like somebody that
they can mentor and they engage in it in a
relationship that's mutually beneficial. Then that's good. But if a
man just takes basically just uses and doesn't help them,
they're not bad, and the same way around the other way.

Speaker 7 (52:05):
Okay, that that could be true, right, first off? One
thing I want to say first off, though, is you
do realize that chat GPT is not reality or truth, right.
I just want to make that perfectly clear, because it
seems like you're pacing this off with something you ask
chat GPT.

Speaker 6 (52:17):
Let's get a question. It gives the liberal viewpoint.

Speaker 7 (52:20):
No, No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. It just goes
on the Internet and finds a bunch of shit and
throws it back at you. It doesn't. It doesn't give
anything even related to the truth. It doesn't have to anyway.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
No, And it's predicting answers. It's not even going and
starts in the internet. It's just predicting answers like it's
not lying.

Speaker 7 (52:39):
Yeah, I think if I think if you're using chatbeat
GPT as the foundation of your argument here, I don't
think we're going to be able to go anywhere because
that's just a bad foundation.

Speaker 6 (52:48):
TRAGPT says, what are you talking about? If I ask you,
If I ask you, should children have the right to
change their sex when they're young.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
What you.

Speaker 7 (53:00):
And he brought up also about homosexuality. So now I'm
really questioning what's going on here? Is this? Is there
an underlying theme or or message that you want to
make here because you keep alluding to these things.

Speaker 6 (53:12):
They only see power and authority and they think that's bad. Right,
That's that's it. That's not how the Greeks you it.
They've viewed this competence I did.

Speaker 7 (53:19):
I don't care how the Greek use. And I'm still
wondering how you can understand what is in somebody else's
head the definition. You still haven't answered that question because
it keeps, because it keeps coming back to I don't,
I don't. This person doesn't agree with me, so they're wrong.
They're obviously wrong, and they don't understand me. And that's
just that's just bad thinking. That's just the bad logical conclusion.

Speaker 6 (53:40):
I haven't heard you say one thing about the definition
I gave you. I gave you three definitions, right, the God, design,
and the Holy Spirit. Please tell me how I'm wrong.

Speaker 7 (53:48):
That did not answer how you know? What is somebody
else's thinking that is in no way, shape or form
an answer to my question was, how do you know
what is in somebody else's head? You're claiming that you do.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
And if you're talking to me, I did answer you,
but you tried to say that I was wrong, and
you tried to say that I put words in your
mouth regarding reality.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
I did answer you.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
Look, everybody here could go back and listen to every
single Yeah they can't.

Speaker 7 (54:15):
Yeah, exactly, you can't too. I would suggest that you do.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
That's that's my point, and I guess I guess you
guys are just don't want to see that. I don't know,
but that's the problem that ends up occurring. Really, it's
not the other thing I think.

Speaker 8 (54:27):
No.

Speaker 7 (54:27):
I think the big problem here is that you are
assuming what other people are thinking, you know, and you're
and you're placing that assumption upon on everybody, whether they're
thinking that or not, just because you think that's the
way people think, because that's what it sounds like to me.

Speaker 6 (54:43):
That's friend all the way at the DELI went fucking crazy.

Speaker 7 (54:45):
Okay, you're you're not. Yeah, I think we're done now. Yeah,
we have other calls to move on to. I think
that's with that. I think we can go on to
something else here.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Yeah, he was bouncing all over the place.

Speaker 7 (54:56):
Well, we do have some super chats to get to.
Let's do that real quick. I lost the document here.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
It is.

Speaker 7 (55:05):
Okay, Josh el for two dollars, says great hosts, Thank you.
I know that wasn't for me originally, but I'm gonna
thank you anyway. Josh All came back with another five
dollars and said, I am unsure I could intelligibly describe
what the first collar believes. I don't have the necessary
space for the goalposts. That was pretty good. And Marduk one, Hey, Marduk,

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good to see you around. I am' seeing you around
Mesopotamia right lemon character jumping in excitement with his heart
beating out of his chest. And Josh l gave us
another five bucks from my tie. Always worth seeing, Thank you, Josh.
Evan Rock gives us a dollar ninety nine for he says,
w thinker, great to see you here. It is great

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to see her here. It's been been doing an awesome.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Job, Evan.

Speaker 7 (55:54):
Somebody you know, and.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
No, I'm not beain awesome in the community of online.

Speaker 7 (56:02):
Latanja Boone gives us two dollars and says nerd here,
great job thinker.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Hey Latania, she's a nerd.

Speaker 7 (56:08):
You're getting all the good compliments. I just get a
complement on my tie, not on me, Josh all for
two dollars. Chet D chat GPT said, I am the
tallest tree.

Speaker 9 (56:19):
That's very basically the problem. Oh well, we do have
some more calls though, we got DC. He him in
Texas says he believes in the Christian God of the Bible.

Speaker 7 (56:33):
So, hi, d C. How are you good?

Speaker 10 (56:35):
Afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I am doing very well.

Speaker 7 (56:38):
What is it that you wanted to talk to us about?

Speaker 10 (56:41):
Yeah, I knows your prompt? Do you do you believe
believe in God? And yes, I believe in God and
specifically the Christian God of the Bible, meaning as Jesus God.

Speaker 7 (56:50):
Okay, why why what is convinced you that this God
is real? Why? What make what has caused you to
believe this?

Speaker 5 (56:55):
Well?

Speaker 10 (56:56):
I would say on one aspect, it's experienceial and based
off of bringing another two another another aspect of is
basically off the what the Canonis scriptures say about who
God is?

Speaker 7 (57:08):
So how did how did those make you believe?

Speaker 6 (57:12):
What?

Speaker 7 (57:13):
Specifically about those things? Convince you that that was the
truth that made you believe in God.

Speaker 10 (57:17):
So specifically again Jesus, because I know there are many
people that believe this religions, but Jesus, I just want
to be on that. But what specifically made me convert back,
I would say convert back to Jesus because I did.
I was a backslider for a couple of years. But
what what made me convert back was having remorse over
my wicked ways. I know, I know, I know. In

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the human realm, we think that we are we are
good within nature. Uh, but according to my religious a beliefs,
there's a belief that your heart is wicked and deceitful,
and you know you're morally depraised, and you know you
can't be fully good without the goodness of God through
the blood of Christ.

Speaker 7 (57:56):
So go ahead, go ahead, think or please.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
So you're saying that the thing that made you believe
in Jesus is you agree that you're wicked and like like,
there's no benefit to Jesus. It's just, Hey, I'm wicked
and therefore I need this person who has no extra
added benefit.

Speaker 6 (58:16):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Is that what I'm understanding to hear you say?

Speaker 7 (58:19):
Can you just stop being wicked.

Speaker 10 (58:20):
Well, the extra out of benefits that you can't hear
an internal life after this life.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
I mean, that's if a person wants to live forever, Like,
I don't even think half of you have even thought
about why you want to live forever, Like I asked
that question, and most people don't know, right, Like they
don't even really know what the Bible says about them
in eternal life. But that's only if you want to

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live forever, Like, what is it that you think you're
gonna be doing for forever?

Speaker 3 (58:49):
And why does the earth need you forever?

Speaker 10 (58:51):
Worship being with the saints and the angels, so being
a place where there's no more suffering, there's no more grief,
there's no more pain because obviously you know on earth
hearing the earthly, everything isn't all good. There's there's there's
good and there's evil. I know that some people will
believe there isn't good and evil, but I believe we're
in a spiritual battle whereas good versus evil.

Speaker 7 (59:10):
Do you think they're still bored them in heaven?

Speaker 10 (59:12):
No, to my belief, No, I don't think there's gonna
be bored them in heaven. I know I know I
say this much. I know for the person that's living
a very degenerate lifestyle, that doesn't sound appealing to them
because they can't have all the sex that they want to,
they can't have all the drugs that they want to.
But the person that's living more, oh, whoa.

Speaker 7 (59:28):
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa? Slow down, everybody,
What does sex and drugs have to do with it?
I mean, I get that that was where you came from,
but that's not where everybody came comes from. So let's
watch where we're you know, do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Yeah, It's like you think that if a person doesn't
believe in your God, you think that they're automatically out
here doing harmful things in themselves are to other people, Which.

Speaker 7 (59:51):
Might be true in my case, but it's not in everybody.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
But why is sex bad? No, it's a natural thing.
I don't I don't understand what that has to do
with eternal life.

Speaker 10 (01:00:03):
What do you like? What life like?

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
You made that statement because I asked, like, what are
you gonna be doing in eternal life?

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
And you said that you could see how a degenerate
person we didn't see eternal life as a good thing
because they're not going to be able to do all
the bad things that they're doing right now on earth. Like,
I don't think y'all pay attention to the fact. Like
you're like, there won't be any any any harm.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
I'm sorry, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
Like when when y'all say there won't be any harm,
uh no, no sadness, no pain. Uh after you die,
I mean you're dead. Your heart is has stopped working.
It is in the ground along with the rest of
your body decay. Right, Your pain receptors are in your
body in the ground that can right, Like, I don't

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I don't know what you think, Like the type of
body that you think that you would have unless your
God just plans on making you a human again just
for you to I don't know, you would have to
be a shell of a human honestly, because you need
pain receptors. You would have to like not have any
pain receptors to not feel pain.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Right, No.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
Neurons or go to your your your brain for you
not to have memory and know what the fuck you're feeling. Like,
I don't know what y'all think, but eternal life does
not sound good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
But when you die, all.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
That stuff stops anyway, in case somebody told you that
does what doesn't sound good.

Speaker 10 (01:01:32):
To a very and this isn't a slight just no, just.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Answer the question like all of that ad hominin shit
like you don't have to do what doesn't sound good?

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Dying and not experiencing pain, sorrow.

Speaker 10 (01:01:46):
No perfection, perfection to a moral person doesn't sound great,
especially when you don't have.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
What perfection are you talking about? What perfection?

Speaker 10 (01:01:53):
Perfection and perfection in heaven?

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
What perfection? You have not given me any perfection?

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Like literally, what we just talked about is y'all not
having pain receptors, you not having the ability to have
a memory, right, like your God strikes to clean You're
like a shell. You're you're literally and if you read
your book you would know that you are working on
the new Earth. You're not even in heaven. Your God
gives you eternal life the moment that you decide to

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give your your morality over to it, because it does
not want you to know when you are doing good
when you are doing bad. It wants to use you
like some damn uh robot, right, like I don't I
don't understand what you mean perfection?

Speaker 10 (01:02:38):
What do you mean there's no wickedness, there's no evil neither.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Is that happening in the damn grave?

Speaker 7 (01:02:46):
Yeah, that doesn't happen with the somebody who doesn't believe
in an afterlife either. So I don't I don't get
the advantage of that. So I'm not I'm not sure
where why that's different or why that's better. And and
and if we're in heaven and we don't have the
same consciousness that we do here, are we still ourselves?
I mean, if we can't experience the things that we
experience here, are we still ourselves or are we something different?

Speaker 10 (01:03:08):
Yeah, you will be in you will be in a spirit,
you wouldn't have your mortal body.

Speaker 7 (01:03:12):
That's not what I asked. I talked about consciousness. If
we can't experience in the same consciousness things, are we
still Are we still the same person? Are we the
same people?

Speaker 8 (01:03:20):
You know?

Speaker 7 (01:03:21):
Because if we go to heaven, we're going to have
emotions cut out that we don't that we normally have.
That's not part of our physical being, that's part of
our consciousness, right, Okay, So so again, if we go
to heaven and we have these things done to us,
because it's going to have to happen if we're not
going to experience any sadness. And you know that nephew
that I that I helped raise, that I considered my son,

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if he doesn't make it to heaven, I'm going to
be sad about that. But I can't be sad because
everything's got to be happy and good. So that whole
memory of my nephew's got to be cut out of
my brain. And so am I still the same person.

Speaker 10 (01:03:52):
According to your worldview? Maybe it'll be a little bit different.

Speaker 8 (01:03:55):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:03:55):
I'm not asking about my worldview. I'm asking what you think.
I asked you the question, not my worldview. I know
what my worldview is and what I think. I'm asking you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
Like he's asking if you were to adopt your God's
gift of eternal life and go into heaven according to
your worldview, knowing that your memory is white, old things
are passed away, you don't feel pain, right, you don't
feel suffering. If he has a nephew right that he

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once loved, like, is he still the same person if
he can't remember those things?

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Is he still the same person?

Speaker 7 (01:04:32):
I can't have my nephew here. That would make me happy.
But he can't be here because because he overdosed on heroine.
That's she was one of your you know, let's go
to the bottom of the barrel like, because that seems
to be something you know about. So he's not going
to get to heaven. So how am I? How am
I going to be happy knowing that my nephew, who
I raised from a small child with my sister, is

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never going to be get to heaven. That's not it.
That's the thought that's not going to make me happy.
But I have to be happy because I'm in heaven.
See the problem? No, you don't see a problem there.

Speaker 10 (01:05:02):
It wouldn't be a have to. It's just like if
you told the choice down eternal life, it wouldn't be
a be a you being coerced to be happy. It's
just the choice that you made. Therefore you living in
paradise with the Lord Jesus Christ.

Speaker 7 (01:05:15):
So so, how so? How so? What then becomes my
thoughts of my nephew that I want to be with me?
Do I just forget about him? All the thoughts of
him are raised from my head so I can be happy.

Speaker 10 (01:05:27):
So I guess I would be in good faith to
say I wouldn't exactly know that because obviously I'm still
in the earthly round, and.

Speaker 7 (01:05:32):
These are the things to keep me up at night,
because if that's what's going to happen, I'm not going
to be the same person, right, I'm not so if
I if I do all the things to get to
heaven and i'd go to heaven, I'm not going to
be the same me anyway. So why work? You know,
I don't know why I would work to become something
that I'm not when I really liked what I am?

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
Then like, why are you making any claims about the afterlife?
But when we ask you questions like this, you all
of a sudden don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:05:59):
Well, well, I'm trying to be as good fat as
possible because obviously I'm still going in my favor years
three years into it. I'm not exactly strong apologies, but
I'm trying to, like you know, be as good faith
in my responses as I can be.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
And so like you you're you're so you're three years
in and now you have enough knowledge to just posit
that everybody who doesn't believe in your God, and everybody
who does not see eternal life as this precious gift.
Are degenerates who just want to sin and do harmful
shit to other people hundred percent.

Speaker 10 (01:06:36):
I think. I think if you're without Christ, whoa.

Speaker 7 (01:06:38):
Whoa, whoa whoa one hundred percent. So you're saying that
because I don't agree with your God, I'm a degenerate
who's out to hurt people.

Speaker 10 (01:06:46):
So the Bible says that they're no.

Speaker 7 (01:06:48):
No, no, I don't care what the Bible said. I'm
asking you think you think I'm out to hurt people
because I don't believe in your God, that I'm a degenerate.
It's a simple yes or no. Yes, Well, thank you
very much, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
That's so interesting because there's so many people who believe
in your God right who have done things that are harmful.
There are pastors who have cheated on their wives and
had families outside of their wives, but they believe in
your God. But y'all will try to say, oh, it's
not real belief, but they believe in your God. There
are there are people who believe in your God that

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cheat on on their taxes, that overcharge people for the
same thing that they are undercharge to the next person.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Because they belong to a specific group.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
There are people who believe in your God who harm
children because your God says stone them because they're.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Supposed to obey their parents. Hold on.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Like literally, not too long ago, a woman pulled over
on the side of the road and beat her child
to death because the Bible says beat them, good run
and they won't die. Like, there are people who believe
in your God that does harm. And then I'm not
saying that there are not people who do not believing
your God that don't do harm, but people who believe
in your God justify harm in the name of your God, Like,

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I don't know why you're sitting here. And then if
if we were to talk about the ship you do,
you would up and down. We're all flawed and sinners,
but Grace, while you're calling people degenerates for not believing
the same thing you believe, it's hypocritical as fuck. And
then this is why I don't nobody want to go
into eternal life with y'all asses, Like, who the hell

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want to spend eternal life with a whole bunch of hypocrites?
Judgmental ass hypocrites at that of it?

Speaker 7 (01:08:33):
Right, how about it? We are running out of time.
I got a couple more calls. I got a few
other things I need to do, so I'm going to
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We do have revolving hosts every week. If you don't
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So I encourage you to please call back and have
this conversation again. Oh boy, the generous boy Sidney left

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to another call. What do you think we have? Lise
in Canada. Isn't a pop out to say that we
have judged the church based on the time periods that
we're in. I'm not it was written a little weird,
so uh, pardon me least for kind of butchering that.
So maybe you can help clarify that.

Speaker 8 (01:11:08):
Yeah, I'll help explain what I meant. But I'm first
of all, I'm an atheist. I was wondering if you know, say,
like the Crusades or whatever, and people will look at
the people say, well, you can't judge the Catholic Church
by the standards of that time, of what the culture
and what the ignorance was. And I feel like that's

(01:11:30):
a cop out because even though it may have been
like eight hundred, like several hundred years ago, the standards
of Christianity are two of them at least or do
not steal and do not kill. So there's no justification
for what they did to the Spaniard the Sephardic too
in Spain. There's no justification for the land that they

(01:11:54):
tried to steal or did steal in Christian imperialism. If
that's if that's what they're standard.

Speaker 7 (01:12:00):
Is, I'm going to agree with you. I get it.
I get it too. One of the you know, one thing,
one argument you could definitely make is and this is
something that carries through the ages. You know, killing other
people is wrong. Killing other people and taking their shit
is wrong. It doesn't matter what the reason for it is.
So when you talk about the Crusades doing that, I
mean they're just out out and out wrong any any morally,

(01:12:23):
any way you look at it. There was no justification
for marching an army halfway through Europe and taking over
some other people's country after killing after population, stealing all
their stuff, and enslaving most of them. Let's face it.

Speaker 8 (01:12:36):
Yeah, I was watching this old debate. It's on YouTube,
and it's like Stephen Frying, Christopher Hitchens. We're debating I
don't know, some bishop from Nigeria, and then there was
other this lady and Witticom from the UK and the
argument what their emotion was the Catholic Church is a
force for good in this world. I was like, oh man,
I'm gonna have a hard time winning. And I mean,

(01:12:59):
like for the the s side, and yeah, I just
she has said in her argument, you know, oh yes,
the Church has done this and this, you know in
history but you can't judge the church on what it
was like in the culture of that time. And I'm thinking, like, well,
if they follow the Ten Commandments, and Christianity was I

(01:13:20):
think it was an official religion around three hundreds mad
with Constantinople. So if that's what they really believed, and
you know, of course, the teachings of Jesus and all that,
then we can absolutely judge them by the standard of
that time.

Speaker 7 (01:13:37):
You know, by that logic too, we can judge them
by we could judge them by or we don't have
to judge them by the good things that they did
as well. We're going to not judge them by the
bad things. We don't have to judge them by the
good things too, So that's that's just logically a bad argument.

Speaker 8 (01:13:51):
Yeah, I was just wondering what your thoughts are. Before
I go, please say hi to Richard for me.

Speaker 7 (01:13:56):
Sure, sure, Hi Richard. I'm sure he's watching the show.
So Hi, Richard, how you doing.

Speaker 8 (01:14:01):
Oh I'm the I called a while ago. I'm a
religious study student.

Speaker 7 (01:14:06):
So cool, cool cool. Richard is the producer of the show,
so even if he's not on the show, he's around,
so he's he's if we do something wrong, he's there
to make sure we know about it. He's actually just
a gem to work with. He's awesome.

Speaker 8 (01:14:20):
Thank you so much the person who said, if that's
what you're like, I don't want to see your asshole
in heaven that I bursted out lasting. Yeah, thank you
so much for making me smile.

Speaker 7 (01:14:40):
Thanks for calling in. He's really appreciated. Thanks for waiting
so long to get on. I appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (01:14:45):
Well, no problem, you guys have a good one.

Speaker 7 (01:14:47):
You too, great way to end the show. That a
little upbeat there. That was awesome, And and we are
at the end of the show too, you know. Strangely enough,
I was the backup hoist for today and there was
a few problems and we ended up getting a new
backup post. So I'd like to bring up the new
backup post to say, no, Sydney, thank you for being

(01:15:09):
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
On some Yeah, we can't do this again.

Speaker 7 (01:15:19):
Yeah, I thought it was a great show. Actually I
thought it was a lot better before I got involved
with it, But it was a good show. You were
an amazing thinker, and if our viewers wanted to find you,
like where could they?

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
You know?

Speaker 7 (01:15:30):
Get more of your content because you were amazing. Where
could they find you at?

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
I'm on TikTok at end Growth and the YouTube at
art Thinker or I think beyond Belief.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
I mean nope, not think beyond belief. That is a
friend of mine. I think beyond Dogma is my shout
out to think beyond belief? Though, right?

Speaker 7 (01:15:53):
Why not? So any last words from Thinker?

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
No, I have fun and I look forward to to
coming back.

Speaker 7 (01:16:03):
I look forward to seeing your bag too, is didn't
he any last words?

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Thinker absolutely crushed it. This never usually happens, is like
tech things. So I'm so sorry I had to dip
out halfway through. But I was just dying.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
I was dying by your your responses and your commentary.
And I just think you were fabulous today. And Kelly,
you were also fabulous today for jumping in and saving
the show while I've been back here trying to decide
how the internet works. We love you for more than
your ties, although we do love your ties, like don't
I don't want to discount the ties either.

Speaker 7 (01:16:36):
You know one thing I did forget, see I wasn't
totally on the ball, is that I do have a
few more super chats to read before we go.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
So tough love how he says he wasn't on the
ball when he literally saved the show from He.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Came right in, didn't miss a beat.

Speaker 7 (01:16:51):
Yeah, so we got two dollars from Tough and Tough
enough Fluffy. I found my special purpose and Josh, I'll
follow it up right away with two dollars and said
I believe in Fluffy's purpose. So that was awesome. And Sidney,
thank you so much, gave four ninety nine and says
a super chat for Kelly that isn't just about his time.
Thank you for being an amazing co host and saving

(01:17:13):
the stream in my stead. Thank you, Sidney, you were
you know, I bowed down to you. I've always thought
you were amazing, so I would rather.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
You pray to me, if that's okay.

Speaker 7 (01:17:23):
Every time I've got to work with you, I've enjoyed
it and I look forward to working with you. So,
Josh l Man, you've been just throwing the money at
us today another five dollars. I of course enjoyed Kelly
so much more than just their ties. They are an
amazing human being. Got him fooled with a fantastic mind
and great well thought opinions. Thanks Josh, I appreciate that

(01:17:45):
dollar ninety nine from mac Luster. Love you thinker. These
Christians were not ready definitely not for.

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
Me, mag And then I wanted to say I finally
thought about who Evan is. I know I do know
that person if it is who I think it is,
and I just want to say thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:18:03):
Cool.

Speaker 7 (01:18:03):
And one last one, Josh Alla had to get one
last one in there, and you set a final donation
for the David Cross. So with that, I want to, uh,
you know, the one thing we do every week, we
throw out some loverings for everybody. I was expecting to
be in the center spot and I had my lovering
generating tie on. So anybody you want to throw out

(01:18:26):
love to you thinker.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
Yeah, to the nerd community. First hold on, let me
say thank you to the nerds for showing up and
supporting in the chat. I love y'all so much. I
want to shout out Greg Sidney, like I said, like,
I love your style and I hope that we can
connect and you know, do this again Kelly saying to you,
this is my second time meeting you. I love the

(01:18:49):
way you debate and pounce as well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
So yeah to the whole ACA community. Thank y'all. I
appreciate y'all so much.

Speaker 10 (01:18:57):
Thank you, Tony.

Speaker 7 (01:18:58):
Anybody you wanted some special want to send.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Loverings to, I would like to send loverings to and
only to people who believe in evolution but don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Only to those people, and.

Speaker 7 (01:19:13):
I would have send lovering blood dollar viewers. Oh, I
did promise a couple of our viewers this week that
I would show a bracelet that I made. So there
it is. There, you got it. And with that, we're
gonna take a We're gonna finish the world. We're going
to rep show up and we will see you all
next week. And don't forget just because we.

Speaker 8 (01:19:46):
Yeah, just a rid of.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
M hmm.

Speaker 6 (01:20:02):
We want the truth.

Speaker 7 (01:20:03):
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