April 27, 2021 • 47 mins
Rob Cast enjoys a chat with Mr Positivity, Neil Lowery! Plus: A bonus conversation with Matt Salvatore about Zack Snyder's Justice League!
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Bye from the Final Leaver Studios inNorthern Ontario, Canada. It is the
s WC Plus Roundtable. Welcome toanother awesome episode. This time we're changing
things up. Normally, I havea bunch of people on a zoom meeting
and we all discuss or chat StarWars. I do one of the Star
Wars film retrospectives. But today Ihave a nice one on one quick conversation
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with mister Positivity himself, Neil Lowry, followed by another one on one conversation
with mister DC himself, Matt Salvatore, and we talk about the Justice League,
the Zack Snyders, this Justice Leaguethat came out on HBO Max.
So this is where we're gonna flexthat plus in the s WC Plus,
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which I stole from UM for thefirst time, where we're gonna do you
know it's this is a Star Warspodcast, but where you don't We love
all things nerds, so you knowit's a chats a chat. Also,
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be sure to subscribe to s TOWCplus Roundtable because the Showrunner podcast is
myself with Kyle from the Tumbling Saberpodcast, Tim from the Nerd Room podcast,
and mister Mark Godsiff himself formerly ifTalk Star Wars. He's back at
the podcast Mike, so you haveto listen to lot, so maybe sure
to subscribe to s w C plusround Table. So, without further ado,
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here's my conversation with mister Neil Lowry. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
We're I'm sitting down over zoom talkingwith mister Positivity himself, the Great and
Neil Lowry. How are you doing? Neil? I'm doing fine? Thank
you? Will it? And wherewhere am I talking you from? I'm
in Northern Ontario, Canada. Wherewhere's where are you boats? I'm in
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seven UK? Yeahs oh, therewe go, so yeah, so we're
I really appreciate you being able todo this because we're five hours apart.
This is your Sunday evening, yes, where you should be relaxing. But
do do you mind talking a littlebit of Star Wars this evening? Oh
definitely not excellent. So um,first question, I'm the rare thing.
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A lot of people that come onthe round table we've actually met face to
face severally. Yeah, Chicago,Yeah, in Chicago, So this is
this is it was a real treatto It's when you hear people and I
see you on Twitter and then youryou have your your podcast. It was
at the cloud car co pilot.Yeah. Yeah, so so you hear
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people. People are in your earsall the time. But it's really neat
when you get to finally shake someone'shand and see somebody in person. So
it is, uh, it's youknow, it just adds a little,
it's something extra. So Neil,first question, star Wars. We all
love it. But how did youget into What was your introduction of Star
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Wars? Here was a couple ofways. I saw the level of the
movie in a bookstore in my localchown where I lived. I think I
picked it up and read it beforethe movie. Uh, the movie didn't
come actually come out to Courty springseventy eight for me for a late spring.
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So I've seen, as I said, the book, and there's been
a couple of spots on TV forit that was really got introduced and I
was looking forward to it always.So okay, So in the UK,
I guess, um, it's notlike today where we're a global release is
everywhere all at once. This isso in seventy seven, as listeners to
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the Roundtable know, I saw thefirst Star Wars in nineteen seventy seven and
a driving with my parents. Soanybody playing in the Roundtable drinking game,
you can go ahead and have adrink. But you, uh so you
had to wait a little bit.So was there I guess that must have.
There must have been quite an antiespecially you read the book, so
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there must there must have been ahuge anticipation finally see this thing. Well
definitely, yeah, yeah, it'sreally cool to excellent okay. So and
as the years go on, Um, another thing I want, Uh,
you're really really connected with the withthe Star Wars community, and you you
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spearheaded this saying you started your it'sit I want to say movement, like
your positivity movement. How did that? How did that start to really wax?
And really, because I mean Ijoined Twitter in two and twelve,
I probably didn't start all my positivityuntil poor you two or three years later.
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You know, I was didn't reallyknow many people on Twitter and just
sort of lurking a bit, reallyfollowing people. Gradually, I sided,
you know, just get my voiceout there, will get on Twitter and
start promoting Star Wars in the positiveway. And suddenly grew from now which
was very preased about Yeah that's fantastic, and again you were it was it
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was before and again we don't thisis the roundtable is a positive safe space
because this is for people that loveStar Wars, so you know, and
everybody's allowed to have their opinions andtheir favorite movies and everything else, but
um it, star Wars the community. It took a turn for a little
while, and but you had thisthis message already there. You know.
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It was a it was a difficultafter the last Jedi because I think things
turned a bit, yeah, verynegative during that time. But I mean
actually had to get through that andgradually, you know, we will get
to our high points like the Mandalorianand that, and you know where the
community can come together and enjoy StarWars as a whole. Yeah, I
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think we see even more of that. Really fantastic. Okay, so um
my next question is, um,you've been to a celebration. Now that's
a big if. Chicago to theUK, that's a big quite a trip.
That was my first US one.I've been to all the europe ones.
Oh excellent. So in your I'mlooking forward, I went to you
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know Mark Gods from Talk Star Wars. Yeah, he talked me into going
to Orlando, and I've never beento a celebration before. And now I'm
hooked because I went to Chicago andI'm going to and I'm so he was
So I didn't get a chance togo to the London one because I wasn't
so I wasn't a content creator.I was a fan, but I wasn't
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you know, doing podcasts and stuff. So I'm really looking forward hopefully Lundon
gets another one because I want togo to the UK. It'd be really
exciting for me because then I getto go drive on the other side of
the road. Yeah, I'm hopefullylooking forward to coming to London in the
next few years, hopefully it does. Yeah, absolutely so, even even
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though you took the plane ride acrossthe pond here, would you even if
it's a bucket list thing. Andagain it's it's you know, the celebrations
that cost a lot. But wouldyou recommend people at least getting to one
in their lifetime? Oh, definitely, sir. It's an experience. It's
uh, it's all the positivity inStar Wars. You know that you could
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probably hopeful, you know, notgoing to find Daddy, you know,
negativity in it. Just people comingtogether in one event, you know,
just following their love of Star Wars. It's just you know, and there's
plenty of things to do, youknow, it's just certainly once in a
lifetime well you know event to goto, you know, devinly recommend it.
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Absolutely And also too we get toput some some uh, we get
to have real face to face conversationswith people we see on Twitter from all
around the world. And uh,and there's nothing there's nothing quite like being
in a room, whether you're watchingthe live feed or you're actually lucky enough
to get into the panels where you'rewatching a trailer for a new movie with
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everybody so excited, Like when thatRise of Skywalker trailer hit in Chicago,
Oh my goodness, that was Yeah, certainly something wasn't that. Yeah,
that was that was incredible. Soum, next, of course, I
guess, are any plans of goingto Anaheim in a couple of years.
I didn't. I wasn't able toget tickets. I've I'm really glady plans
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to do it, but you know, as you know, just says,
things always in motion, so youknow absolutely, and from what I hear,
if you weren't able to get ticketsthe first time, because I was
able to get my passes and thenthe first time and then I got an
email once it was canceled or postponedfrom twenty twenty to twenty twenty two,
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they asked. They said, theyhave got an email. If I wanted
to hold onto my passes for twentytwenty two, I didn't have to do
anything. If I wanted to refund, and that's perfectly fine too, then
I would have had to then Iwould have to reply to the email.
So apparently there's a bunch of passesthey have because there's people that just had
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to cancel and again because of thispandemic. Everybody's situation has changed, So
keep your ear to the ground.You're gonna have a few more months,
I'm sure. But there's going tobe another another crop of passes coming up
online and legitimately not three Bay likeyou can go to Star Wars Celebration dot
com and hopefully I mean so hey, you never know, it's uh yeah,
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standing to keep you in mind.Yeah, absolutely absolutely so okay,
um, now we got a wholelot of Star Wars coming up, then
that's a little bit. Um.We got obviously season three of the Mandalorian
Um we were there's a whole bunchof the bad batches coming out in a
couple of weeks. Is what areyou looking forward to the most? If
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you if you like, what's reallyI know it's Star Wars, so we're
happy it's all we're getting at all. But what's is it? Kenobi?
Is it? Ahsoka is it?And yeah, um, you know,
any any predictions on on Kenobi?Like Hayden Christensen's attached to the project,
so Sinde costs over certainly WOS hasa great cost of it. Uh,
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I haven't got any predictions. Ijust said it, you know, come
out and enjoy it. You know, I'm not really a predictor of things,
mist was I just you know,give it to me and I enjoy
it excellent. And uh and whenthey when the streaming stuff comes out,
like the Mandalorian myself personally, Ireally like um how they have an episode
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once a week. That way youcan stream it. You can get up
Friday morning and watch it, oryou can see it Friday after work.
But you don't have to binge forme. I'm a I'm a married man
with it. I'm gonna have ajob and I'm a dad. I can't.
I don't have time to binge anentire series on a Friday night.
So do you like the when theytrickle them out once a week or would
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you rather it just give it allto me? All the ones? I
like once a week. I Iusually work on a Friday morning, so
I usually don't get to see tillFriday afternoon or lunchtime anyway, are you
gay time? Right? So Ihave to stay off social media that that
morning as well. So I'm notagainst spool by anything, Yeah, absolutely,
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because that would be that's the worst. And that's I'm I'm Especially when
a new movie comes out, Ihave to be I have to get the
tickets for the first showing in mytown because it's not it's not because I
have to see the movie that weekend. It's just I don't want it spoiled
and that'd be horrible, like itcould be. So it I mean,
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it makes things tense when it's midnightand you have to click on and you
have to buy those tickets. Butthe nice part about this streaming if you
wake up in the morning, ifyou want to wake up an hour early
and you want to watch it.When the Mangarory in first season came out,
obviously we didn't have Disney Plus inthe UK as well, so it
was totally difficult to see it.Oh yeah, and also wasn't didn't you
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have issues with rebels too? Wasn'tthere something? Yeah? Oh no,
yeah that's And how can you avoidmonths you mean six months of chatter online?
Yeah you can't really, you know, unless you just to yourself social
media. Yeah, but then youdisappear it you get you don't talk to
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everybody for a half a year.So that's a good. So, um,
tell them that. Tell us aboutyour podcast or cloud. Certainly would
like to get more episodes out asI can. It was always a life
gets in the way of recording that. But I'm certainly I've recorded my leg
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half of my latest episode a whileback, and I'm going to record full
episode or get it, get itfinished, hopefully have an episode out,
hopefully in a couple of weeks,and so hopefully want to get a get
a bit more episodes out. Youknow that podcasting is difficult for me because
I have a learning disability and youknow, talking for a long while,
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you know it's difficult for me.So but you know I'll get there in
the end. While you're doing alot other than I do, because I've
never I've been doing podcasting for awhile and I never ever do podcasts by
myself. So that's you're you're astep ahead of me, because there's no
that's another level. So if ittakes you a little while and plus you
gotta wait to have something to say, right, Yeah, I tend to
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really not go the usual news route. I tend to have ideas like a
quirk in nature of things, youknow, like try and find angles of
star Wars that a lot of peopledon't have. Yeah, absolutely, so
um in just again, we're justhaving a quick sit down, a quick
a quick chat. Is there anythingyou wanna you want to say to everybody?
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Like obviously, um, people knowwhere to find you on Twitter,
right, I mean Larry Neil onTwitter, and I'm positivity one on Instagram
and Neil Larry on Facebook excellent,excellent and of course subscribe to cloud car.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely, II got him. I'm subscribed and
and I love him when I it'sactually it's a nice street when you see
when they pop up, because it'skind of like a nice surprise from your
friend, Neil. It's a nicepositive surprise and when you get it.
All right, Neil, thank youvery much. I appreciate this, and
uh and hopefully I'm gonna keep myfingers across. Hopefully I'll be able to
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see you at the Star Wars celebration. And I'm ye and thank you for
being a positively influenced and discovers toomunkey as well. You do a great
job and you should be mole gettingpraised for it. We shouse you two,
you know, so thank you forwhat you do. I'm coming from
you. I really appreciate that,Neil. That is fantastic, all right,
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everybody. So, um, staytuned, Um, you're gonna hear
a chat. I get to talkwith Matt Salvatore about the new Justice League
or sorry, the Zack Snyder's JusticeLeague movie. Um, that's where normally
the s WC is, you know, the Star Wars Commonwealth. But if
you noticed, I added a plus. I kind of stole that from Disney.
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So we're gonna have a little JusticeLeague talk after this. So so,
Neil, thank you very much.This has been awesome. Thank you.
This is something I've been looking forwardto in a for a very long
time, and this is way overdue, since I stopped doing the Roman podcast
and since last episode of the Showrunnerspodcast I do with Mark gods If,
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Kyle from The Dumbling Saber, andof course Tim from the Nerd Room,
which is an all around nerd fastZack Snyder's Justice League. I needed a
little bit more time to dive intothis one. I'm not gonna We're not
gonna go too deep me we'd havelike quick half hour conversation. And this
is the first time I'm actually gonnaflex our new plus. As most people
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know, we were the Star WarsCommonwealth podcast network. Now we're the Star
Wars Commonwealth Plus group, not anetwork but a group, but the Plus.
Yeah, we may have stole itfrom Disney Plus, but it gives
us. It gives us that out. So on this round table for the
first time, we're not gonna thisjust this and this this talk. We're
not gonna talk Star Wars. We'regonna We're gonna talk about Zack Snyder's Justice
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League. And I would be rissed. I had to choose, thinking,
who are gonna talk to about this? Uh, while one person's name came
mine. Um, Matt Night ofthe Commonwealth. How you doing, Matt?
Are you ready to talk? Thisis Zack Snyder's Justice League? Oh
oh yes, definitely. It isa treat to be back with you talking
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DC this time though. Yeah,this is great. Um, I was
really inspired. You did a threehour chat with Mark gods If one time
about Batman v. Superman. Yes, you so, and your your deep
dives and everything. We're not gonnago three hours, people, don't worry,
but long awaited, as everybody knows, Justice League came out. Um
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midway through the filming, um Jackand Ider had an unfortunate family incident,
Um which he tried to carry onbut realized he just couldn't and and Josh
Whedon took over and we got whatwe got, and it was penned by
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critics. It was just it was, you know, it was for me
when I saw the the original filmin twenty seventeen, I saw my heroes
on the big screen. So Iwas just happy to see it there.
And I was like, okay,yeah, you mean, was it Infinity
War? No, you know,I mean, wasn't you know, but
it was. It was that endingshot where we saw Superman, Batman,
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Flash, Aquaman, Wonder Woman lookingoff the mountain. I mean, it
was like, oh, That's whatI've always wanted that. So when rumors
started and of course the community gottogether and or the hashtag released the Snyder
cut, which, Matt, youyou were a very big proponent. Yea,
every time I said on Twitter,that was your hashtag. So here
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we are. We got his visionfour hour epic released on HBO. Max
um So, Matt, I likeanybody that follows you on Twitter knows,
but did you like this this Snydercut? Yeah? Yeah, I loved
it. H I don't think I'veever had such a emotional experience watching a
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film, just seeing it as itwas intended, was something surreal. Yeah,
it was. It was crazy.And I again, I'm again,
we're not We're not here to uhto you mean, they just gush over
Zack Snyder. But I've been afan of his for a long time,
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and he this is the problem withDC. They try to play catch up
with the MCU. Yeah, andthis is what this is what disappointed me.
It's like, okay, there,the Avengers films are awesome. Where
what's ours? Justice League? Go, go go. It's like they didn't
take the time and build the universelike the MCU did. Well. I
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would say that if you looked atwhat was going on with Warner Brothers and
Zach, Zach was trying to tella story and Warner Brothers was trying to
catch up to Marvel. So Zachtook a Nolan approach where he said,
I'm gonna tell a story and I'mgonna it's gonna involve these characters in this
movie and it's gonna follow this arc. And Warner Brothers like, yeah,
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yeah, get get get to theget to the point, get to the
billion dollar films. And I thinkthe problem with that was is that they
tried to push Zach to get Imean, I think Zach was going to
take it, you know the moviesthat he was going on. Justice League
was going to be his third film, but I think they wanted that that
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push. You know, it's veryclear that with Batman vy Superman, they
were pushing for Batman to fight Supermanand that was there, Like, you
know, they gave their notes tothe director that was one, Batman must
fight Superman in this film, andso Zach had to build a movie around
that. So it was he waskind of exactly but and also too,
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Yeah, we I realized the HBOone is four hours, but it does
have parts to it, so youcan take it in I mean bite size
six parts altogether, yes, fiveor six? Yeah, so fiber sex
I think, yeah, so youcould actually just you can consume it that
way, You can consume it likeyou're binging a How many of us turned
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on on an actual series the Expanseor or Breaking Bad or something an act
Mandalorian The Mandalorian and actually sat upfour hours later and go, oh wow,
I've been watching the show for fourhours. That's the same thing.
Like so and this Snyder cut servicedI mean, not like an independent movie.
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But he had to introduce the Flash, he had to introduce Cyborg,
he had to he was the oneto introduce Aquaman. We forget now that
we've got a standalone but yeah,that was all all that was in there.
And then he had to make introduceall these characters, make all the
stakes high enough. We're at theend, we're all invested in what they
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what we had to lose. Like, that's right, big ask for a
two and a half hour theatrical release. Definitely directed by two very different dress
Josh Whedon and again I was abig fan of the Bedroo films. I'm
not poop booting Josh wheedon. It'sjust you can't you yeah, you can't
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you mean do that? It justwouldn't taste the same, right, Well,
it's it's it's a very difficult taskto ask another director with his own
style to come in and mesh youknow, I think it's it's an impossible
task as that. I think mostdirectors would have turned down. But hey,
it is a complicated. It isa complicated process to kind of mix
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everything. You know. Zach wastalking about Army of the Dead recently and
he had to do some he hadto add in a character, I think,
and that character was all shot CGI, you know, with the CGI
background. He was saying it wasso difficult for him to fit that character
backed in because the lighting was differentthe you know, he had natural lighting
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on set and here he's working ona on a CGI stage. And so
he was just talking about how difficultit is. So I can only imagine
having to add in new scenes,new characters that we did that it just
it just wouldn't match. Their stylesare vastly different as well. Well yeah,
and it pulls you out of themovie too, Like I mean,
like especially when we all know thatfrom a right of Skywalker, good movie,
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entertaining Star Wars movie, lots ofaction, but the lega scenes,
Yeah, it was like whoever waslaying off the dialogue. And again they
did what they had to. Theydidn't use CGI. They took old um
clips of Carrie Fisher and spliced herin. But the problem is it's like
Daisy Bridley would have all this expositionat while talking to layout well as you
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know, Layoup, and then laywould be like, yeah, droids do
that? Like it was just andand again it was I I completely understand.
I love what they did with it, but it it's it's just something
the movie magic is gone when weknow, yeah that's happening. You're burdened
by knowledge. Oh yeah, verymuch. Well yeah we were. We
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saw how my meal was cooked andI don't know, I mean, I
didn't like so for me was thisThis wasn't George Lucas style fix Like,
this isn't like, oh I madea movie thirty years ago or twenty years
ago. Now I want to makeit the way I can with my because
I have tons of money and cgithis was, um, Stephen Wolf looks
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fantastic. And this one when itwas poo pooed in the in the theatrical
release, Superman and all the allthe all, everything that's intertwined with him,
and he comes out with the blackblack and again any these are all
and for DC fans it's like youstart clutching your pearls. It's like yes,
yeah, um. Biggest takeaway fromthis from this movie, well,
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hey, we got to do deepdives because it's four hours into the charros.
He had to characters, he hadto introduce, and the signature Zack
Snyder music that Yeah, some somepeople thought it went a little long,
because yeah, you could cut itdown if you have to squeak, if
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you have to make the movie threehours twenty minutes, you could do it.
But it adds those beats adds somuch. Yeah, to for Zack
Snyder, just like the it's uhwell, I think, just as as
a DC fan, you want,you know, I don't think anybody's ever
gonna say they don't want more contentof these characters interacting. You know.
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Ever since the Justice League animated show, all I ever wanted to do was
see these characters interact on the liveaction big screen, you know, and
so just seeing whether it's something simplelike Diana and Alfred making tea together,
I'm like, yes, two hoursmore of this cooking show, please,
you know, And just like littlethings like that. And I think each
character, with the time that Zachwas doing, I mean, I could
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have been shorter, it could havebeen, but like at this point,
this was Zach's party, right,you know, this was this was his
stage and he however he wanted it. So I think each character was service
so well with these little scenes andmoments that were allowed to breathe, you
know. I think the part withthe flash where he's talking to his father.
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In the theatrical cut, it feltvery like that. That that,
and then I felt like with thisone, there was moments where they were
pausing in between and they were justtalking and the conversation felt a little more
organic than it felt like it wasn'ton on fast forward. Yeah, and
for those let's say, if ifyou're into music, anybody that reads music
knows a lot can be said byusing the rests and and the parts where
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you're not playing than when the partsyou are playing. It, like you
said, it gives it. Itbreathes life into this and especially for DC,
it's supposed to have. That's it'ssupposed to have that darker feel I
mean, and it's and I'm notI love the MCU. You can like
both. You can like Bond,you can like Blondes, and you can
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like Burnett's. It's okay. Youdon't have to choose you any and don't
have to. You may have apreference, but that you don't. It's
not like I would. I'm aI'm a leg man and that's it and
nothing else. That's what has togive me. No, you don't.
There's only deals in absolutes, right, so so for me, it's like
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it's it can be different. Backin the day, we used to say
stuff like Star Wars was rock androll. Star Trek movies were like going
to the opera. Even because ithad that Star Trek movies tried to give
it that grandioseing. When Star Warsit's like shoot him up and that's that's
great. You can like both it'sokay, And I think it also I
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think both sides can play with that. You know, I think it's okay
if if if they both used that. I think the having a story that
inner weaves comedy and darker elements,yeah, eventually comes out better. You
know. I think some of themoments in the MCU Infinity War, like
Danos chucks his daughter off a cliff, I mean like, I mean,
yeah, that's that. Doesn't getmuch starker than that. Yeah, exactly,
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and it but it was done sowell. And for me, like
watching this cyborg gut is due inThe Sniper, it was like wow,
like just there's so much there,right, Yeah, It's just when when
I watched the theatrical release, Ithought, oh, I need the Cyborg
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flash Buddy movie. But movie now, it's like no, No, I
can have a standalone of each likeit's it's and Cyborg as a character,
he came out in the eighties.Well, his abilities, as we know
as technology and the Internet and everythingelse's surface. Since then his power set
means became something completely different. Now, yes, yeah, it's a it's
amazing. Well, like in injust those scenes where Silas is talking with
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with that awesome you know, discussionthat he's having about Cyborg's powers, he's
basically telling Cyborg the world he inIn a way, if you look at
it, Cyborg on an individual andhuman level is more powerful than Superman,
you know, because he can changeeverything, fire every nuclear weapon and just
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like that, I mean, Imean it's crazy the amount of power he
has exactly. And and I alsothis movie, I know we're jumping all
lower, but again, we're notgonna get into a three hour We're not
gonna where this isn't a isn't acommentary recording for four hours. So,
um, all the little tiny eastereggs, the pregnancy test from Lois Yes,
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um uh, Bruce Wayne telling ClarkKen at the end of the movie,
oh yeah, congrats, by theway, when they're moving Yeah,
ma kent back into that. Loishas got a basket at you know,
a little sing a little baby basket. Yeah, and uh what what else
the atom? Yeah, I mean, like it's just the crazy thing about
the atom was I thought he wasgetting a cameo, but he had like
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a like an not an arc,but he had pivotal moments in the in
the movie. Like I thought hewas just gonna be like, oh high
Silas and then walk off, buthe's he's talking to Silas and they're you
know, they make the laser.It's just crazy that he's missing from the
theatrical. Yeah, well he setup how they were gonna track when when
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when the cyborgs, dad Um sacrificeshimself. The atom is the one that
put the id in his head.Now you're looking at the hottest thing on
earth now, yep, and notknowing not his problem when he was at
his problem, like he joked about, but like the actual box when they
hit the laser with it, right, yeah, oh and taking Silas's death
how like Doctor Manhattan did that lookOh yes, oh my god. Yeah,
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I was like, oh snap,yeah, I get sack in his
watch roots also too. Again,I know we're jumping all over Marsha man
Hunter I know, right why hewas in the Man of Steel. You
know, it's crazy. People arealways uh, they're they're they're asking about
why didn't he help? Right?Right? You know there's the obviously z
Odds flying around doomsday, right,and a lot of people are like,
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whoa, why didn't why didn't ManHunter jump into this? Uh? I
think the thing about it is isthat Zach took these characters and they weren't
heroes in the beginning. Right.So you look at man Hunter and he's
this alien who's his world. Fromwhat we know about man Hunter, his
world's just froid, right. Sohe's just hiding out. He's not a
hero, right, and so he'sjust kind of doing his thing learning about
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humans. And then after he seesall these other humans, especially Superman,
he's inspired to become a hero.You know. I think that's one of
the awesomest things that I love aboutwhat Zach did was Superman, was that
everybody that comes in contact with Supermangets better. Right. You know,
Bruce is in a dark place,he's back to hope. Wonder Woman gave
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up, She's back the bully thathe was bullying him on the bus who
he saves from the water comes andgives him his hand, you know,
like it's like this thing where theyyou know, they see the better parts
of Superman kind of lifting them upand giving them hope. And I think
that speaks so much to it.Absolutely. Um what else did Oh my
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h the Flash during his dog Walkerinterview. Oh that's awesome. Heye,
And and and the debut of aWest like like there's a there's an accident,
and also too um in the XMen movies Quicksilver, that was a
pretty awesome and funny but very welldone in both of those X Men movies
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of someone someone who's faster than thespeed alike right like he was as he
as he was running around when theywere when they're busting out Magnito from the
Pentagon, or when he was receivingall the kids from the from the Mansion,
the Mansion, really well done andsuper awesome scenes. So the Flash,
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now that we've we've got that,we've got in the theatrical release.
We got the scene with him andBruce Wayne in the Flash's little apartment or
whatever he's wherever he's living. Yeah, but when he says he goes,
Oh, so you're really fast.It's like, I think that's an oversimplification,
Like it just it separates, Itseparates the Flash from Quicksilver. Are
they similar characters? Of course theyare, Yeah, but he didn't do
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a carbon copy of the excellent filmsfor sure. Well and both great,
but both very different, and we'reboth very well done. Well, like
how Zach to find the Flash?He goes, he's a cosmic character,
and that's what he is. He'she's he's a speedster on a cosmic level,
Like he can change spacetime reality,right because he's I mean, we
see him do it. Yeah,but I really love, I really love
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that moment with Iris because it's likethat time stood still when they met,
and it really kind of shows thatthese two people are like you know,
written in the cosmos kind of uhfeeling, you know that they that everything
kind of just slows for him ashe sees this happen. And I think
that's really awesome. Well yeah,and that's yeah, it's almost like a
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it's it's a play on love atfirst sight type thing. I mean,
it's like that exactly, your heartstops, time stands still, I mean
when you say that exactly your yourfuture partner across the room, like it's
one of those. Yeah, it'sa great and again done very well.
Him bust into the glass, yes, I mean yeah, and then it
turns liquid right as he's going through, like it becomes like this like he's
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superheating it. Yeah. Yeah,it's crazy. The detail on this is
amazing. Yeah, absolutely fantastic.Um, anything anything that you Again,
they had four hours, and againwe've been begging for the Snyder cut forever,
so we're not gonna be like,yeah, it was great, but
um, is there something else youwould have wanted? Any takeaways you would
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want out of this, like somethingmore? Well? Again, we again
we're not that we're being greedy.We don't want to ask or but is
there something another introduction or I meanlike oh oh oh, something else we
could talk about? Dark Side?Yeah yeah, I mean you can't.
You can't go past dark Side ina DC film. I mean, it's
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it's crazy. When when I rememberwhen Zach released the storyboards and he was
releasing pictures in black and white andstuff like that, and and it'd be
kind of became more clear that moreand more we were gonna see dark side,
and so at first I thought wewere only gonna see the mural of
him, and Wonder Woman was holdingthat torch and she was looking at him.
I'm like, oh wow, that'sa cool little forte of what's to
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come. And then we realized hewas in the history lesson. I'm like,
oh awesome. And then I startedthinking, okay, so we see
him in the past, and thento find out that he's actually playing scenes
with Stephen Wolf and you actually seehim with his with his Granny Goodness and
Desade, Like, I'm like,that's like a Superman animated series right there,
where he's talking to De Sade andDesade's giving him lip and he's like
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shut up the side, you know, like that's just stuff like that that
you're just like, oh my gosh, yes, yeah, absolutely. And
the also too, it gave usthat Loki Thanos look between Stephen Wolf and
the Bigger Bad you mean, yeah, exam. And now, granted d
MNCU had twenty one movies to keephim on the up keep Thanos on the
bench. I mean they all haveto bring him into the fourth quarter like
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um, but this is again againit was rushed. I mean, we
could have led up. If theyhad twenty movies, they could have led
up to dark Side like that wouldhave been. Yeah. Well, I
think you only really get Thanos's motivationsand his uh, his arc. I
think only really starts in Infinity War. Yeah. I think the I think
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the two teases that he gets withthe past Avengers films, uh kind of
what your appetite, But I don'tthink they said, and most of it's
actually kind of reckoned later anyway.So well, yeah, and that's all.
It's what I was getting at.It's the bigger bad, Yeah for
sure. Yeah. I mean likethat's one of those well it's it's it
hints at something more, you know, especially at the end when dark Side
is like we're doing it the oldway, get the armad, I'm like,
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yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh, speaking of the old Way,
how about that extended scene of thethe Everybody from Earth? It isn't that
awesome? I gotta I gotta saythat. What I really really loved about
it was that when you see,like when they talk about the tribes of
men, you see all the differenttribes of men, Like I feel like
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that was so cool that you sawlike humanity united against this this force,
So I thought that was kind ofcool, but she just the whole scene
was awesome. Green Lanterns Aries,Why, I'm like, uh yeah,
and we saw it and they againthey just hinted at it. But you
saw when when dark Side killed thelantern Um, he saw the ring pop
up and he tries to grab itand misses it and it's off. It
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goes right and we don't know whereit's going, right. Yeah, you
don't know who he's going to,but we all know the meeting behind it.
Yeah. And how about how abouthow about dark Side getting his butt
handed to him by the Old Gods? Yeah? Aries, Yeah, puts
an axe into his shoulder, histrap man, that look like it hurts
so bad, exactly. Yeah.I love that part where he rips the
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axe out and he kicks him andit had like such a three hundred vibe.
Yes, felt super three hundred.Yeah. And also, um,
do you think the the after partyafter battle, the celebration like the Old
Gods do um, more of moreof the Norse gods do this, like
soorbuddy, But at the after partyafter the battle, you think that's when
U Wonder Woman was conceived? Yeah? Probably probably there And we saw the
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Queen like, yeah, like Iwould imagine. So, yeah, we
ain't won too many gauntlets of meat. They're partying up there after everyone's high
on victory. Yeah, I couldsee it. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
that's that's the movie we need.We don't need that movie. I
would love to see more set inthat time though, yes, Like I'd
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love to see, especially with whatZach did with the Amazons when they're fighting
Steppenwolf. Yeah, i'd love tosee Um and Wonder Woman hints at at
in the in the I think,both in the movie and in the Snyder
Cup where men betray the Amazons.Yeah, I'd love to see what happened
there. Absolutely, It's one ofthose. It's a weird thing with comic
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book movies like and again, obviouslyI'm a huge Star Wars fan. When
we watch the Star Wars movies andtelevision adaptations and TV shows and the animated
stuff, we always we're always lookingfor the novel to tie everything in,
or the comic book to tie everythingin. But with with Marvel n DC,
we have all the tie ins,right, I mean, we know
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why all this is there. Weknow we don't need it answered. Well,
what's the big deal if if DarkSide missed grabbing the Lantern ring like
right, we already know that we'vehad, you know, fifty years a
lantern. We're like, yeah,we get it. Like so it's it's
just says it's a weird thing whenand you have to have a movie that
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satisfies the general public, because youdon't, you're not going to get a
billion dollars at the box office ifeverybody doesn't mildly like it. Um,
and and also too, you knowyou're not gonna get like you're still gonna
satisfy all the people that that haveare ready for the deep dive. Yeah,
oh for sure. Everyone has tobe everyone's got their their take on
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and it's a juggling act. Iwould imagine definitely one I wouldn't want to
be a part of. No,No, absolutely, and also to um
because of the streaming formats like we'vewe've got this on HBO Max. Because
of now anything can be done onscreen like back when in the seventies,
Like my I remember going to theaterssee the first Superman movie. It was
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like, holy shoot, somebody's flyingon TV. Not on the screen,
right, because they have to dothe test screen they had to do the
test footage, and then the directorslike, okay, can we make Christopher
fly convincingly? Okay, now wecan make this movie. Now we know
it can be. Spider Man moviesweren't made until they could do it until
after Star Wars prequels, where theywere like, oh, with the technologies
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out there now. Yeah. So, but also too, just because you
put the Star Wars logo on amovie poster, or just because you put
the Superman s or the Batman logodoesn't guarantee you the number one movie of
the year anymore. I think ithas a lot to do with the fact
that there's just so many more superheroesout there now, you know. I
mean, Batman is a draw,but he's got to compete with Captain America,
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he's got to compete with Iron Man, and these guys are big two.
Uh. You know, I thinkBatman has a unique ability to be
James Bond, you know, kindof this thing where a new character,
a new actor can play him andwe all still kind of have that thing,
whereas I think iron Man you kindof have a gonna have a hard
time getting past Robert Downey. Yeah, but I think the crazy thing about
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like having just a logo is that. Yeah, you're right, it does.
It does, especially now people arevery well, especially when it comes
to Zach. People examine his movieswith a fine too code and to find
out that it's not their Superman.Superman would never say this or something like
that. You know, we we'vebeen dealing that forever. Superman too.
When he threw his is s ohyeah, at what's his name? It's
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so funny that Superman has been inmovies where you've had another director come back
and finish his old movie. Youknow, the Donner cut and now the
Snyder cut. It's like something's upwith Superman. It's because WB doesn't let
the director do it exactly, doesn't. He's been all right again, this
was a huge us just gushing overthe movie and and for those people looking
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for critical examination. Sorry this thisthis is me using my podcast to shoehorn
in Zack Snyder conversation. So finalthoughts, Matt, what are your um
now that we've got to talk aboutthis a little bit, what are your
again? We know he loved italso too. Obviously we would love to
see the Snyder universe continue, rightfor sure because it's just so much there.
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So what are your what are yourfinal thoughts on this for our epic?
I'd say it gave me everything Ithought the Snyder cut was going to
be and more. I think seeingthe moments that I liked in the theatrical
cut expanded and made even better,you know, seeing each character get its
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due, you know, Wonder Womanasking the little girls she's okay, Flash
running as the ground is being created, Joker and Batman finally having a conversation
in the Snyder cut. You know, I think all these little things just
added up to make it probably theultimate Justice League experience. That I think
that if if such reverence was treatedwith these characters and such mythos and everything
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was pulled together, that I thinkit was just It's a masterpiece work of
art. You know, it's cinema. It's why you go to the movies.
It's why you watch these things.It's because you want to see these
guys come to life on the bigscreen. So I absolutely loved it.
I do hope that they restore theSnyder verse. I hope that we get
to see where Zach was taking everything, and but as of right now,
(45:00):
I am so happy to just keeprewatching this movie. You know, I
think that it's it's so rewatchable,like you mentioned the parts, So I
love it. I'm so thankful thatwe were able to see Zach's vision finally
realized. Absolutely, And for thosebe doing the long movies, it's like,
I mean, some of the bestmusical recordings in pop music aren't two
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and a half minutes that were goingto fit on the radio. You mean,
like that's just and Zack Snyder somethingone of those you mean, Starwood
at Heaven Paradise, spread the dashboardLight, like all these Bidgees seventies songs,
lots of rush tunes up here inCanada, Like you can't they Some
people just can't. They need Imean they need to write a seven minutes
(45:45):
song or they need a four hourmovie. Well, I think of it
like Infinity War an endgame. Onedoesn't work without the other. You know,
you got it? Yeah, Yeah, it's a come together fantastic Um.
Yeah, I'm super excited. II love this. It's it's kind
of um if they're I don't knowhow anybody is going to top this Justice
League movie. Like if they doa reboot, they would need to do
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the mcu. Can the twenty moviebuild up to even come close to making
the stakes as high as Zach wasable to do it? Yeah, in
in a few three movies. Yeah. Hey, there's some awesome trilogies out
there. I've I spent a lotof time talking about in some old trilogy
I saw Starting and Driving in nineteenseventy some of them parents everyone drank.
(46:30):
Yeah, there we go. Okay, So, uh, Matt, thank
you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you, I appreciate it.
But I just had to gush overthis, and and I just I hope
everybody else I love this movie asmuch as as we did. So no,
thank you. We're gonna have toget you on the roundtable when we
have more people. Definitely, allright, thank you for so much,
(46:52):
sir, Thank you, thank you. I'm a go on you too,
then depicted the you
Bye from the Final Leaver Studios inNorthern Ontario, Canada. It is the
s WC Plus Roundtable. Welcome toanother awesome episode. This time we're changing
things up. Normally, I havea bunch of people on a zoom meeting
and we all discuss or chat StarWars. I do one of the Star
Wars film retrospectives. But today Ihave a nice one on one quick conversation
(00:36):
with mister Positivity himself, Neil Lowry, followed by another one on one conversation
with mister DC himself, Matt Salvatore, and we talk about the Justice League,
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So this is where we're gonna flexthat plus in the s WC Plus,
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here's my conversation with mister Neil Lowry. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
We're I'm sitting down over zoom talkingwith mister Positivity himself, the Great and
Neil Lowry. How are you doing? Neil? I'm doing fine? Thank
you? Will it? And wherewhere am I talking you from? I'm
in Northern Ontario, Canada. Wherewhere's where are you boats? I'm in
(02:31):
seven UK? Yeahs oh, therewe go, so yeah, so we're
I really appreciate you being able todo this because we're five hours apart.
This is your Sunday evening, yes, where you should be relaxing. But
do do you mind talking a littlebit of Star Wars this evening? Oh
definitely not excellent. So um,first question, I'm the rare thing.
(02:53):
A lot of people that come onthe round table we've actually met face to
face severally. Yeah, Chicago,Yeah, in Chicago, So this is
this is it was a real treatto It's when you hear people and I
see you on Twitter and then youryou have your your podcast. It was
at the cloud car co pilot.Yeah. Yeah, so so you hear
(03:16):
people. People are in your earsall the time. But it's really neat
when you get to finally shake someone'shand and see somebody in person. So
it is, uh, it's youknow, it just adds a little,
it's something extra. So Neil,first question, star Wars. We all
love it. But how did youget into What was your introduction of Star
(03:37):
Wars? Here was a couple ofways. I saw the level of the
movie in a bookstore in my localchown where I lived. I think I
picked it up and read it beforethe movie. Uh, the movie didn't
come actually come out to Courty springseventy eight for me for a late spring.
(03:57):
So I've seen, as I said, the book, and there's been
a couple of spots on TV forit that was really got introduced and I
was looking forward to it always.So okay, So in the UK,
I guess, um, it's notlike today where we're a global release is
everywhere all at once. This isso in seventy seven, as listeners to
(04:18):
the Roundtable know, I saw thefirst Star Wars in nineteen seventy seven and
a driving with my parents. Soanybody playing in the Roundtable drinking game,
you can go ahead and have adrink. But you, uh so you
had to wait a little bit.So was there I guess that must have.
There must have been quite an antiespecially you read the book, so
(04:38):
there must there must have been ahuge anticipation finally see this thing. Well
definitely, yeah, yeah, it'sreally cool to excellent okay. So and
as the years go on, Um, another thing I want, Uh,
you're really really connected with the withthe Star Wars community, and you you
(04:59):
spearheaded this saying you started your it'sit I want to say movement, like
your positivity movement. How did that? How did that start to really wax?
And really, because I mean Ijoined Twitter in two and twelve,
I probably didn't start all my positivityuntil poor you two or three years later.
(05:19):
You know, I was didn't reallyknow many people on Twitter and just
sort of lurking a bit, reallyfollowing people. Gradually, I sided,
you know, just get my voiceout there, will get on Twitter and
start promoting Star Wars in the positiveway. And suddenly grew from now which
was very preased about Yeah that's fantastic, and again you were it was it
(05:43):
was before and again we don't thisis the roundtable is a positive safe space
because this is for people that loveStar Wars, so you know, and
everybody's allowed to have their opinions andtheir favorite movies and everything else, but
um it, star Wars the community. It took a turn for a little
while, and but you had thisthis message already there. You know.
(06:05):
It was a it was a difficultafter the last Jedi because I think things
turned a bit, yeah, verynegative during that time. But I mean
actually had to get through that andgradually, you know, we will get
to our high points like the Mandalorianand that, and you know where the
community can come together and enjoy StarWars as a whole. Yeah, I
(06:28):
think we see even more of that. Really fantastic. Okay, so um
my next question is, um,you've been to a celebration. Now that's
a big if. Chicago to theUK, that's a big quite a trip.
That was my first US one.I've been to all the europe ones.
Oh excellent. So in your I'mlooking forward, I went to you
(06:50):
know Mark Gods from Talk Star Wars. Yeah, he talked me into going
to Orlando, and I've never beento a celebration before. And now I'm
hooked because I went to Chicago andI'm going to and I'm so he was
So I didn't get a chance togo to the London one because I wasn't
so I wasn't a content creator.I was a fan, but I wasn't
(07:12):
you know, doing podcasts and stuff. So I'm really looking forward hopefully Lundon
gets another one because I want togo to the UK. It'd be really
exciting for me because then I getto go drive on the other side of
the road. Yeah, I'm hopefullylooking forward to coming to London in the
next few years, hopefully it does. Yeah, absolutely so, even even
(07:34):
though you took the plane ride acrossthe pond here, would you even if
it's a bucket list thing. Andagain it's it's you know, the celebrations
that cost a lot. But wouldyou recommend people at least getting to one
in their lifetime? Oh, definitely, sir. It's an experience. It's
uh, it's all the positivity inStar Wars. You know that you could
(07:58):
probably hopeful, you know, notgoing to find Daddy, you know,
negativity in it. Just people comingtogether in one event, you know,
just following their love of Star Wars. It's just you know, and there's
plenty of things to do, youknow, it's just certainly once in a
lifetime well you know event to goto, you know, devinly recommend it.
(08:20):
Absolutely And also too we get toput some some uh, we get
to have real face to face conversationswith people we see on Twitter from all
around the world. And uh,and there's nothing there's nothing quite like being
in a room, whether you're watchingthe live feed or you're actually lucky enough
to get into the panels where you'rewatching a trailer for a new movie with
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everybody so excited, Like when thatRise of Skywalker trailer hit in Chicago,
Oh my goodness, that was Yeah, certainly something wasn't that. Yeah,
that was that was incredible. Soum, next, of course, I
guess, are any plans of goingto Anaheim in a couple of years.
I didn't. I wasn't able toget tickets. I've I'm really glady plans
(09:03):
to do it, but you know, as you know, just says,
things always in motion, so youknow absolutely, and from what I hear,
if you weren't able to get ticketsthe first time, because I was
able to get my passes and thenthe first time and then I got an
email once it was canceled or postponedfrom twenty twenty to twenty twenty two,
(09:26):
they asked. They said, theyhave got an email. If I wanted
to hold onto my passes for twentytwenty two, I didn't have to do
anything. If I wanted to refund, and that's perfectly fine too, then
I would have had to then Iwould have to reply to the email.
So apparently there's a bunch of passesthey have because there's people that just had
(09:48):
to cancel and again because of thispandemic. Everybody's situation has changed, So
keep your ear to the ground.You're gonna have a few more months,
I'm sure. But there's going tobe another another crop of passes coming up
online and legitimately not three Bay likeyou can go to Star Wars Celebration dot
com and hopefully I mean so hey, you never know, it's uh yeah,
(10:11):
standing to keep you in mind.Yeah, absolutely absolutely so okay,
um, now we got a wholelot of Star Wars coming up, then
that's a little bit. Um.We got obviously season three of the Mandalorian
Um we were there's a whole bunchof the bad batches coming out in a
couple of weeks. Is what areyou looking forward to the most? If
(10:35):
you if you like, what's reallyI know it's Star Wars, so we're
happy it's all we're getting at all. But what's is it? Kenobi?
Is it? Ahsoka is it?And yeah, um, you know,
any any predictions on on Kenobi?Like Hayden Christensen's attached to the project,
so Sinde costs over certainly WOS hasa great cost of it. Uh,
(10:58):
I haven't got any predictions. Ijust said it, you know, come
out and enjoy it. You know, I'm not really a predictor of things,
mist was I just you know,give it to me and I enjoy
it excellent. And uh and whenthey when the streaming stuff comes out,
like the Mandalorian myself personally, Ireally like um how they have an episode
(11:20):
once a week. That way youcan stream it. You can get up
Friday morning and watch it, oryou can see it Friday after work.
But you don't have to binge forme. I'm a I'm a married man
with it. I'm gonna have ajob and I'm a dad. I can't.
I don't have time to binge anentire series on a Friday night.
So do you like the when theytrickle them out once a week or would
(11:41):
you rather it just give it allto me? All the ones? I
like once a week. I Iusually work on a Friday morning, so
I usually don't get to see tillFriday afternoon or lunchtime anyway, are you
gay time? Right? So Ihave to stay off social media that that
morning as well. So I'm notagainst spool by anything, Yeah, absolutely,
(12:03):
because that would be that's the worst. And that's I'm I'm Especially when
a new movie comes out, Ihave to be I have to get the
tickets for the first showing in mytown because it's not it's not because I
have to see the movie that weekend. It's just I don't want it spoiled
and that'd be horrible, like itcould be. So it I mean,
(12:24):
it makes things tense when it's midnightand you have to click on and you
have to buy those tickets. Butthe nice part about this streaming if you
wake up in the morning, ifyou want to wake up an hour early
and you want to watch it.When the Mangarory in first season came out,
obviously we didn't have Disney Plus inthe UK as well, so it
was totally difficult to see it.Oh yeah, and also wasn't didn't you
(12:46):
have issues with rebels too? Wasn'tthere something? Yeah? Oh no,
yeah that's And how can you avoidmonths you mean six months of chatter online?
Yeah you can't really, you know, unless you just to yourself social
media. Yeah, but then youdisappear it you get you don't talk to
(13:07):
everybody for a half a year.So that's a good. So, um,
tell them that. Tell us aboutyour podcast or cloud. Certainly would
like to get more episodes out asI can. It was always a life
gets in the way of recording that. But I'm certainly I've recorded my leg
(13:30):
half of my latest episode a whileback, and I'm going to record full
episode or get it, get itfinished, hopefully have an episode out,
hopefully in a couple of weeks,and so hopefully want to get a get
a bit more episodes out. Youknow that podcasting is difficult for me because
I have a learning disability and youknow, talking for a long while,
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you know it's difficult for me.So but you know I'll get there in
the end. While you're doing alot other than I do, because I've
never I've been doing podcasting for awhile and I never ever do podcasts by
myself. So that's you're you're astep ahead of me, because there's no
that's another level. So if ittakes you a little while and plus you
gotta wait to have something to say, right, Yeah, I tend to
(14:16):
really not go the usual news route. I tend to have ideas like a
quirk in nature of things, youknow, like try and find angles of
star Wars that a lot of peopledon't have. Yeah, absolutely, so
um in just again, we're justhaving a quick sit down, a quick
a quick chat. Is there anythingyou wanna you want to say to everybody?
(14:39):
Like obviously, um, people knowwhere to find you on Twitter,
right, I mean Larry Neil onTwitter, and I'm positivity one on Instagram
and Neil Larry on Facebook excellent,excellent and of course subscribe to cloud car.
(15:00):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, II got him. I'm subscribed and
and I love him when I it'sactually it's a nice street when you see
when they pop up, because it'skind of like a nice surprise from your
friend, Neil. It's a nicepositive surprise and when you get it.
All right, Neil, thank youvery much. I appreciate this, and
uh and hopefully I'm gonna keep myfingers across. Hopefully I'll be able to
(15:22):
see you at the Star Wars celebration. And I'm ye and thank you for
being a positively influenced and discovers toomunkey as well. You do a great
job and you should be mole gettingpraised for it. We shouse you two,
you know, so thank you forwhat you do. I'm coming from
you. I really appreciate that,Neil. That is fantastic, all right,
(15:43):
everybody. So, um, staytuned, Um, you're gonna hear
a chat. I get to talkwith Matt Salvatore about the new Justice League
or sorry, the Zack Snyder's JusticeLeague movie. Um, that's where normally
the s WC is, you know, the Star Wars Commonwealth. But if
you noticed, I added a plus. I kind of stole that from Disney.
(16:04):
So we're gonna have a little JusticeLeague talk after this. So so,
Neil, thank you very much.This has been awesome. Thank you.
This is something I've been looking forwardto in a for a very long
time, and this is way overdue, since I stopped doing the Roman podcast
and since last episode of the Showrunnerspodcast I do with Mark gods If,
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Kyle from The Dumbling Saber, andof course Tim from the Nerd Room,
which is an all around nerd fastZack Snyder's Justice League. I needed a
little bit more time to dive intothis one. I'm not gonna We're not
gonna go too deep me we'd havelike quick half hour conversation. And this
is the first time I'm actually gonnaflex our new plus. As most people
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know, we were the Star WarsCommonwealth podcast network. Now we're the Star
Wars Commonwealth Plus group, not anetwork but a group, but the Plus.
Yeah, we may have stole itfrom Disney Plus, but it gives
us. It gives us that out. So on this round table for the
first time, we're not gonna thisjust this and this this talk. We're
not gonna talk Star Wars. We'regonna We're gonna talk about Zack Snyder's Justice
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League. And I would be rissed. I had to choose, thinking,
who are gonna talk to about this? Uh, while one person's name came
mine. Um, Matt Night ofthe Commonwealth. How you doing, Matt?
Are you ready to talk? Thisis Zack Snyder's Justice League? Oh
oh yes, definitely. It isa treat to be back with you talking
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DC this time though. Yeah,this is great. Um, I was
really inspired. You did a threehour chat with Mark gods If one time
about Batman v. Superman. Yes, you so, and your your deep
dives and everything. We're not gonnago three hours, people, don't worry,
but long awaited, as everybody knows, Justice League came out. Um
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midway through the filming, um Jackand Ider had an unfortunate family incident,
Um which he tried to carry onbut realized he just couldn't and and Josh
Whedon took over and we got whatwe got, and it was penned by
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critics. It was just it was, you know, it was for me
when I saw the the original filmin twenty seventeen, I saw my heroes
on the big screen. So Iwas just happy to see it there.
And I was like, okay,yeah, you mean, was it Infinity
War? No, you know,I mean, wasn't you know, but
it was. It was that endingshot where we saw Superman, Batman,
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Flash, Aquaman, Wonder Woman lookingoff the mountain. I mean, it
was like, oh, That's whatI've always wanted that. So when rumors
started and of course the community gottogether and or the hashtag released the Snyder
cut, which, Matt, youyou were a very big proponent. Yea,
every time I said on Twitter,that was your hashtag. So here
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we are. We got his visionfour hour epic released on HBO. Max
um So, Matt, I likeanybody that follows you on Twitter knows,
but did you like this this Snydercut? Yeah? Yeah, I loved
it. H I don't think I'veever had such a emotional experience watching a
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film, just seeing it as itwas intended, was something surreal. Yeah,
it was. It was crazy.And I again, I'm again,
we're not We're not here to uhto you mean, they just gush over
Zack Snyder. But I've been afan of his for a long time,
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and he this is the problem withDC. They try to play catch up
with the MCU. Yeah, andthis is what this is what disappointed me.
It's like, okay, there,the Avengers films are awesome. Where
what's ours? Justice League? Go, go go. It's like they didn't
take the time and build the universelike the MCU did. Well. I
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would say that if you looked atwhat was going on with Warner Brothers and
Zach, Zach was trying to tella story and Warner Brothers was trying to
catch up to Marvel. So Zachtook a Nolan approach where he said,
I'm gonna tell a story and I'mgonna it's gonna involve these characters in this
movie and it's gonna follow this arc. And Warner Brothers like, yeah,
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yeah, get get get to theget to the point, get to the
billion dollar films. And I thinkthe problem with that was is that they
tried to push Zach to get Imean, I think Zach was going to
take it, you know the moviesthat he was going on. Justice League
was going to be his third film, but I think they wanted that that
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push. You know, it's veryclear that with Batman vy Superman, they
were pushing for Batman to fight Supermanand that was there, Like, you
know, they gave their notes tothe director that was one, Batman must
fight Superman in this film, andso Zach had to build a movie around
that. So it was he waskind of exactly but and also too,
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Yeah, we I realized the HBOone is four hours, but it does
have parts to it, so youcan take it in I mean bite size
six parts altogether, yes, fiveor six? Yeah, so fiber sex
I think, yeah, so youcould actually just you can consume it that
way, You can consume it likeyou're binging a How many of us turned
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on on an actual series the Expanseor or Breaking Bad or something an act
Mandalorian The Mandalorian and actually sat upfour hours later and go, oh wow,
I've been watching the show for fourhours. That's the same thing.
Like so and this Snyder cut servicedI mean, not like an independent movie.
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But he had to introduce the Flash, he had to introduce Cyborg,
he had to he was the oneto introduce Aquaman. We forget now that
we've got a standalone but yeah,that was all all that was in there.
And then he had to make introduceall these characters, make all the
stakes high enough. We're at theend, we're all invested in what they
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what we had to lose. Like, that's right, big ask for a
two and a half hour theatrical release. Definitely directed by two very different dress
Josh Whedon and again I was abig fan of the Bedroo films. I'm
not poop booting Josh wheedon. It'sjust you can't you yeah, you can't
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you mean do that? It justwouldn't taste the same, right, Well,
it's it's it's a very difficult taskto ask another director with his own
style to come in and mesh youknow, I think it's it's an impossible
task as that. I think mostdirectors would have turned down. But hey,
it is a complicated. It isa complicated process to kind of mix
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everything. You know. Zach wastalking about Army of the Dead recently and
he had to do some he hadto add in a character, I think,
and that character was all shot CGI, you know, with the CGI
background. He was saying it wasso difficult for him to fit that character
backed in because the lighting was differentthe you know, he had natural lighting
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on set and here he's working ona on a CGI stage. And so
he was just talking about how difficultit is. So I can only imagine
having to add in new scenes,new characters that we did that it just
it just wouldn't match. Their stylesare vastly different as well. Well yeah,
and it pulls you out of themovie too, Like I mean,
like especially when we all know thatfrom a right of Skywalker, good movie,
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entertaining Star Wars movie, lots ofaction, but the lega scenes,
Yeah, it was like whoever waslaying off the dialogue. And again they
did what they had to. Theydidn't use CGI. They took old um
clips of Carrie Fisher and spliced herin. But the problem is it's like
Daisy Bridley would have all this expositionat while talking to layout well as you
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know, Layoup, and then laywould be like, yeah, droids do
that? Like it was just andand again it was I I completely understand.
I love what they did with it, but it it's it's just something
the movie magic is gone when weknow, yeah that's happening. You're burdened
by knowledge. Oh yeah, verymuch. Well yeah we were. We
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saw how my meal was cooked andI don't know, I mean, I
didn't like so for me was thisThis wasn't George Lucas style fix Like,
this isn't like, oh I madea movie thirty years ago or twenty years
ago. Now I want to makeit the way I can with my because
I have tons of money and cgithis was, um, Stephen Wolf looks
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fantastic. And this one when itwas poo pooed in the in the theatrical
release, Superman and all the allthe all, everything that's intertwined with him,
and he comes out with the blackblack and again any these are all
and for DC fans it's like youstart clutching your pearls. It's like yes,
yeah, um. Biggest takeaway fromthis from this movie, well,
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hey, we got to do deepdives because it's four hours into the charros.
He had to characters, he hadto introduce, and the signature Zack
Snyder music that Yeah, some somepeople thought it went a little long,
because yeah, you could cut itdown if you have to squeak, if
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you have to make the movie threehours twenty minutes, you could do it.
But it adds those beats adds somuch. Yeah, to for Zack
Snyder, just like the it's uhwell, I think, just as as
a DC fan, you want,you know, I don't think anybody's ever
gonna say they don't want more contentof these characters interacting. You know.
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Ever since the Justice League animated show, all I ever wanted to do was
see these characters interact on the liveaction big screen, you know, and
so just seeing whether it's something simplelike Diana and Alfred making tea together,
I'm like, yes, two hoursmore of this cooking show, please,
you know, And just like littlethings like that. And I think each
character, with the time that Zachwas doing, I mean, I could
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have been shorter, it could havebeen, but like at this point,
this was Zach's party, right,you know, this was this was his
stage and he however he wanted it. So I think each character was service
so well with these little scenes andmoments that were allowed to breathe, you
know. I think the part withthe flash where he's talking to his father.
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In the theatrical cut, it feltvery like that. That that,
and then I felt like with thisone, there was moments where they were
pausing in between and they were justtalking and the conversation felt a little more
organic than it felt like it wasn'ton on fast forward. Yeah, and
for those let's say, if ifyou're into music, anybody that reads music
knows a lot can be said byusing the rests and and the parts where
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you're not playing than when the partsyou are playing. It, like you
said, it gives it. Itbreathes life into this and especially for DC,
it's supposed to have. That's it'ssupposed to have that darker feel I
mean, and it's and I'm notI love the MCU. You can like
both. You can like Bond,you can like Blondes, and you can
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like Burnett's. It's okay. Youdon't have to choose you any and don't
have to. You may have apreference, but that you don't. It's
not like I would. I'm aI'm a leg man and that's it and
nothing else. That's what has togive me. No, you don't.
There's only deals in absolutes, right, so so for me, it's like
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it's it can be different. Backin the day, we used to say
stuff like Star Wars was rock androll. Star Trek movies were like going
to the opera. Even because ithad that Star Trek movies tried to give
it that grandioseing. When Star Warsit's like shoot him up and that's that's
great. You can like both it'sokay, And I think it also I
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think both sides can play with that. You know, I think it's okay
if if if they both used that. I think the having a story that
inner weaves comedy and darker elements,yeah, eventually comes out better. You
know. I think some of themoments in the MCU Infinity War, like
Danos chucks his daughter off a cliff, I mean like, I mean,
yeah, that's that. Doesn't getmuch starker than that. Yeah, exactly,
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and it but it was done sowell. And for me, like
watching this cyborg gut is due inThe Sniper, it was like wow,
like just there's so much there,right, Yeah, It's just when when
I watched the theatrical release, Ithought, oh, I need the Cyborg
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flash Buddy movie. But movie now, it's like no, No, I
can have a standalone of each likeit's it's and Cyborg as a character,
he came out in the eighties.Well, his abilities, as we know
as technology and the Internet and everythingelse's surface. Since then his power set
means became something completely different. Now, yes, yeah, it's a it's
amazing. Well, like in injust those scenes where Silas is talking with
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with that awesome you know, discussionthat he's having about Cyborg's powers, he's
basically telling Cyborg the world he inIn a way, if you look at
it, Cyborg on an individual andhuman level is more powerful than Superman,
you know, because he can changeeverything, fire every nuclear weapon and just
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like that, I mean, Imean it's crazy the amount of power he
has exactly. And and I alsothis movie, I know we're jumping all
lower, but again, we're notgonna get into a three hour We're not
gonna where this isn't a isn't acommentary recording for four hours. So,
um, all the little tiny eastereggs, the pregnancy test from Lois Yes,
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um uh, Bruce Wayne telling ClarkKen at the end of the movie,
oh yeah, congrats, by theway, when they're moving Yeah,
ma kent back into that. Loishas got a basket at you know,
a little sing a little baby basket. Yeah, and uh what what else
the atom? Yeah, I mean, like it's just the crazy thing about
the atom was I thought he wasgetting a cameo, but he had like
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a like an not an arc,but he had pivotal moments in the in
the movie. Like I thought hewas just gonna be like, oh high
Silas and then walk off, buthe's he's talking to Silas and they're you
know, they make the laser.It's just crazy that he's missing from the
theatrical. Yeah, well he setup how they were gonna track when when
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when the cyborgs, dad Um sacrificeshimself. The atom is the one that
put the id in his head.Now you're looking at the hottest thing on
earth now, yep, and notknowing not his problem when he was at
his problem, like he joked about, but like the actual box when they
hit the laser with it, right, yeah, oh and taking Silas's death
how like Doctor Manhattan did that lookOh yes, oh my god. Yeah,
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I was like, oh snap,yeah, I get sack in his
watch roots also too. Again,I know we're jumping all over Marsha man
Hunter I know, right why hewas in the Man of Steel. You
know, it's crazy. People arealways uh, they're they're they're asking about
why didn't he help? Right?Right? You know there's the obviously z
Odds flying around doomsday, right,and a lot of people are like,
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whoa, why didn't why didn't ManHunter jump into this? Uh? I
think the thing about it is isthat Zach took these characters and they weren't
heroes in the beginning. Right.So you look at man Hunter and he's
this alien who's his world. Fromwhat we know about man Hunter, his
world's just froid, right. Sohe's just hiding out. He's not a
hero, right, and so he'sjust kind of doing his thing learning about
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humans. And then after he seesall these other humans, especially Superman,
he's inspired to become a hero.You know. I think that's one of
the awesomest things that I love aboutwhat Zach did was Superman, was that
everybody that comes in contact with Supermangets better. Right. You know,
Bruce is in a dark place,he's back to hope. Wonder Woman gave
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up, She's back the bully thathe was bullying him on the bus who
he saves from the water comes andgives him his hand, you know,
like it's like this thing where theyyou know, they see the better parts
of Superman kind of lifting them upand giving them hope. And I think
that speaks so much to it.Absolutely. Um what else did Oh my
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h the Flash during his dog Walkerinterview. Oh that's awesome. Heye,
And and and the debut of aWest like like there's a there's an accident,
and also too um in the XMen movies Quicksilver, that was a
pretty awesome and funny but very welldone in both of those X Men movies
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of someone someone who's faster than thespeed alike right like he was as he
as he was running around when theywere when they're busting out Magnito from the
Pentagon, or when he was receivingall the kids from the from the Mansion,
the Mansion, really well done andsuper awesome scenes. So the Flash,
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now that we've we've got that,we've got in the theatrical release.
We got the scene with him andBruce Wayne in the Flash's little apartment or
whatever he's wherever he's living. Yeah, but when he says he goes,
Oh, so you're really fast.It's like, I think that's an oversimplification,
Like it just it separates, Itseparates the Flash from Quicksilver. Are
they similar characters? Of course theyare, Yeah, but he didn't do
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a carbon copy of the excellent filmsfor sure. Well and both great,
but both very different, and we'reboth very well done. Well, like
how Zach to find the Flash?He goes, he's a cosmic character,
and that's what he is. He'she's he's a speedster on a cosmic level,
Like he can change spacetime reality,right because he's I mean, we
see him do it. Yeah,but I really love, I really love
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that moment with Iris because it's likethat time stood still when they met,
and it really kind of shows thatthese two people are like you know,
written in the cosmos kind of uhfeeling, you know that they that everything
kind of just slows for him ashe sees this happen. And I think
that's really awesome. Well yeah,and that's yeah, it's almost like a
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it's it's a play on love atfirst sight type thing. I mean,
it's like that exactly, your heartstops, time stands still, I mean
when you say that exactly your yourfuture partner across the room, like it's
one of those. Yeah, it'sa great and again done very well.
Him bust into the glass, yes, I mean yeah, and then it
turns liquid right as he's going through, like it becomes like this like he's
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superheating it. Yeah. Yeah,it's crazy. The detail on this is
amazing. Yeah, absolutely fantastic.Um, anything anything that you Again,
they had four hours, and againwe've been begging for the Snyder cut forever,
so we're not gonna be like,yeah, it was great, but
um, is there something else youwould have wanted? Any takeaways you would
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want out of this, like somethingmore? Well? Again, we again
we're not that we're being greedy.We don't want to ask or but is
there something another introduction or I meanlike oh oh oh, something else we
could talk about? Dark Side?Yeah yeah, I mean you can't.
You can't go past dark Side ina DC film. I mean, it's
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it's crazy. When when I rememberwhen Zach released the storyboards and he was
releasing pictures in black and white andstuff like that, and and it'd be
kind of became more clear that moreand more we were gonna see dark side,
and so at first I thought wewere only gonna see the mural of
him, and Wonder Woman was holdingthat torch and she was looking at him.
I'm like, oh wow, that'sa cool little forte of what's to
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come. And then we realized hewas in the history lesson. I'm like,
oh awesome. And then I startedthinking, okay, so we see
him in the past, and thento find out that he's actually playing scenes
with Stephen Wolf and you actually seehim with his with his Granny Goodness and
Desade, Like, I'm like,that's like a Superman animated series right there,
where he's talking to De Sade andDesade's giving him lip and he's like
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shut up the side, you know, like that's just stuff like that that
you're just like, oh my gosh, yes, yeah, absolutely. And
the also too, it gave usthat Loki Thanos look between Stephen Wolf and
the Bigger Bad you mean, yeah, exam. And now, granted d
MNCU had twenty one movies to keephim on the up keep Thanos on the
bench. I mean they all haveto bring him into the fourth quarter like
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um, but this is again againit was rushed. I mean, we
could have led up. If theyhad twenty movies, they could have led
up to dark Side like that wouldhave been. Yeah. Well, I
think you only really get Thanos's motivationsand his uh, his arc. I
think only really starts in Infinity War. Yeah. I think the I think
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the two teases that he gets withthe past Avengers films, uh kind of
what your appetite, But I don'tthink they said, and most of it's
actually kind of reckoned later anyway.So well, yeah, and that's all.
It's what I was getting at.It's the bigger bad, Yeah for
sure. Yeah. I mean likethat's one of those well it's it's it
hints at something more, you know, especially at the end when dark Side
is like we're doing it the oldway, get the armad, I'm like,
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yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh, speaking of the old Way,
how about that extended scene of thethe Everybody from Earth? It isn't that
awesome? I gotta I gotta saythat. What I really really loved about
it was that when you see,like when they talk about the tribes of
men, you see all the differenttribes of men, Like I feel like
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that was so cool that you sawlike humanity united against this this force,
So I thought that was kind ofcool, but she just the whole scene
was awesome. Green Lanterns Aries,Why, I'm like, uh yeah,
and we saw it and they againthey just hinted at it. But you
saw when when dark Side killed thelantern Um, he saw the ring pop
up and he tries to grab itand misses it and it's off. It
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goes right and we don't know whereit's going, right. Yeah, you
don't know who he's going to,but we all know the meeting behind it.
Yeah. And how about how abouthow about dark Side getting his butt
handed to him by the Old Gods? Yeah? Aries, Yeah, puts
an axe into his shoulder, histrap man, that look like it hurts
so bad, exactly. Yeah.I love that part where he rips the
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axe out and he kicks him andit had like such a three hundred vibe.
Yes, felt super three hundred.Yeah. And also, um,
do you think the the after partyafter battle, the celebration like the Old
Gods do um, more of moreof the Norse gods do this, like
soorbuddy, But at the after partyafter the battle, you think that's when
U Wonder Woman was conceived? Yeah? Probably probably there And we saw the
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Queen like, yeah, like Iwould imagine. So, yeah, we
ain't won too many gauntlets of meat. They're partying up there after everyone's high
on victory. Yeah, I couldsee it. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
that's that's the movie we need.We don't need that movie. I
would love to see more set inthat time though, yes, Like I'd
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love to see, especially with whatZach did with the Amazons when they're fighting
Steppenwolf. Yeah, i'd love tosee Um and Wonder Woman hints at at
in the in the I think,both in the movie and in the Snyder
Cup where men betray the Amazons.Yeah, I'd love to see what happened
there. Absolutely, It's one ofthose. It's a weird thing with comic
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book movies like and again, obviouslyI'm a huge Star Wars fan. When
we watch the Star Wars movies andtelevision adaptations and TV shows and the animated
stuff, we always we're always lookingfor the novel to tie everything in,
or the comic book to tie everythingin. But with with Marvel n DC,
we have all the tie ins,right, I mean, we know
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why all this is there. Weknow we don't need it answered. Well,
what's the big deal if if DarkSide missed grabbing the Lantern ring like
right, we already know that we'vehad, you know, fifty years a
lantern. We're like, yeah,we get it. Like so it's it's
just says it's a weird thing whenand you have to have a movie that
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satisfies the general public, because youdon't, you're not going to get a
billion dollars at the box office ifeverybody doesn't mildly like it. Um,
and and also too, you knowyou're not gonna get like you're still gonna
satisfy all the people that that haveare ready for the deep dive. Yeah,
oh for sure. Everyone has tobe everyone's got their their take on
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and it's a juggling act. Iwould imagine definitely one I wouldn't want to
be a part of. No,No, absolutely, and also to um
because of the streaming formats like we'vewe've got this on HBO Max. Because
of now anything can be done onscreen like back when in the seventies,
Like my I remember going to theaterssee the first Superman movie. It was
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like, holy shoot, somebody's flyingon TV. Not on the screen,
right, because they have to dothe test screen they had to do the
test footage, and then the directorslike, okay, can we make Christopher
fly convincingly? Okay, now wecan make this movie. Now we know
it can be. Spider Man moviesweren't made until they could do it until
after Star Wars prequels, where theywere like, oh, with the technologies
(41:50):
out there now. Yeah. So, but also too, just because you
put the Star Wars logo on amovie poster, or just because you put
the Superman s or the Batman logodoesn't guarantee you the number one movie of
the year anymore. I think ithas a lot to do with the fact
that there's just so many more superheroesout there now, you know. I
mean, Batman is a draw,but he's got to compete with Captain America,
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he's got to compete with Iron Man, and these guys are big two.
Uh. You know, I thinkBatman has a unique ability to be
James Bond, you know, kindof this thing where a new character,
a new actor can play him andwe all still kind of have that thing,
whereas I think iron Man you kindof have a gonna have a hard
time getting past Robert Downey. Yeah, but I think the crazy thing about
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like having just a logo is that. Yeah, you're right, it does.
It does, especially now people arevery well, especially when it comes
to Zach. People examine his movieswith a fine too code and to find
out that it's not their Superman.Superman would never say this or something like
that. You know, we we'vebeen dealing that forever. Superman too.
When he threw his is s ohyeah, at what's his name? It's
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so funny that Superman has been inmovies where you've had another director come back
and finish his old movie. Youknow, the Donner cut and now the
Snyder cut. It's like something's upwith Superman. It's because WB doesn't let
the director do it exactly, doesn't. He's been all right again, this
was a huge us just gushing overthe movie and and for those people looking
(43:27):
for critical examination. Sorry this thisthis is me using my podcast to shoehorn
in Zack Snyder conversation. So finalthoughts, Matt, what are your um
now that we've got to talk aboutthis a little bit, what are your
again? We know he loved italso too. Obviously we would love to
see the Snyder universe continue, rightfor sure because it's just so much there.
(43:53):
So what are your what are yourfinal thoughts on this for our epic?
I'd say it gave me everything Ithought the Snyder cut was going to
be and more. I think seeingthe moments that I liked in the theatrical
cut expanded and made even better,you know, seeing each character get its
(44:14):
due, you know, Wonder Womanasking the little girls she's okay, Flash
running as the ground is being created, Joker and Batman finally having a conversation
in the Snyder cut. You know, I think all these little things just
added up to make it probably theultimate Justice League experience. That I think
that if if such reverence was treatedwith these characters and such mythos and everything
(44:39):
was pulled together, that I thinkit was just It's a masterpiece work of
art. You know, it's cinema. It's why you go to the movies.
It's why you watch these things.It's because you want to see these
guys come to life on the bigscreen. So I absolutely loved it.
I do hope that they restore theSnyder verse. I hope that we get
to see where Zach was taking everything, and but as of right now,
(45:00):
I am so happy to just keeprewatching this movie. You know, I
think that it's it's so rewatchable,like you mentioned the parts, So I
love it. I'm so thankful thatwe were able to see Zach's vision finally
realized. Absolutely, And for thosebe doing the long movies, it's like,
I mean, some of the bestmusical recordings in pop music aren't two
(45:25):
and a half minutes that were goingto fit on the radio. You mean,
like that's just and Zack Snyder somethingone of those you mean, Starwood
at Heaven Paradise, spread the dashboardLight, like all these Bidgees seventies songs,
lots of rush tunes up here inCanada, Like you can't they Some
people just can't. They need Imean they need to write a seven minutes
(45:45):
song or they need a four hourmovie. Well, I think of it
like Infinity War an endgame. Onedoesn't work without the other. You know,
you got it? Yeah, Yeah, it's a come together fantastic Um.
Yeah, I'm super excited. II love this. It's it's kind
of um if they're I don't knowhow anybody is going to top this Justice
League movie. Like if they doa reboot, they would need to do
(46:07):
the mcu. Can the twenty moviebuild up to even come close to making
the stakes as high as Zach wasable to do it? Yeah, in
in a few three movies. Yeah. Hey, there's some awesome trilogies out
there. I've I spent a lotof time talking about in some old trilogy
I saw Starting and Driving in nineteenseventy some of them parents everyone drank.
(46:30):
Yeah, there we go. Okay, So, uh, Matt, thank
you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you, I appreciate it.
But I just had to gush overthis, and and I just I hope
everybody else I love this movie asmuch as as we did. So no,
thank you. We're gonna have toget you on the roundtable when we
have more people. Definitely, allright, thank you for so much,
(46:52):
sir, Thank you, thank you. I'm a go on you too,
then depicted the you
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