SWC+ Round Table Retrospective - The Last Jedi

Rob Cast brings together Carlos Candido, Rob X and Ben from the Skyhoppers podcast to discuss The Last Jedi!

Episode Transcript

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Why full of Flannel Leader studios inthe company confines of Northern Ontario. Welcome
back to the SWC plus round Table. I am as a Lacier moderator Robert
cast and today we are finally tacklingthe Last Jedi Retrospective. And I don't
say that hesitantly, but it's justit was one of the more divisive movies

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that came out, probably the mostdevice of since the prequels. So but
thankfully I don't have to talk aboutthis movie all by myself. We're going
to go around the horn all theway on the left coast. My good
friend from the five first, misterRob Williams, say Hi, Hello there,
how are you. We're gonna jumpover on the east side. Here
my other good friend in month todayI'll Quebec from the Tumbling Saber podcast.

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We're gonna say hi to Carlos.He said, And this time not like
last night when I messed up.Are alone American because we need to have
rest representation. We have Benned fromthe Skyhoppers. How you doing, Ben,
I'm doing all right. I'm doingall right, very very happy to
be here about to talk about thesecond best Star Wars movie. Fantastic fantastic

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said. Now, normally when Istart these retrospectives, I go around.
I usually hey, where were youwhen this movie came out, because all
of them, like you know,Clone Wars or the prequels are well,
I don't know Star Wars and seventyseven. I was out of driving with
parents, so um, drinking soum. But this is a weird one

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because we actually, all all fourof us knew each other. Actually,
Ben and I we met when wesaw the trade. We were I was
gonna say, we were in thatbig convention hall trying to watch that trailer
on that screen and could not heara single word that was being said on
that screen. Exactly. Yeah,we we physically knew each of well not
you know, and we we metit face to face, is what I

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say, Because it was al yeah, I'll recreate it for you. It's
time for the Jedi to end.There we go so um. And again,
we were all podcasting at the time, so we had a lot of
we were I think with this one, I was more invested because I wanted

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to get all the scoops and allthe latest gossips so I can come on
the round table and talk about it, right, It was one and go
on your shows and talked it withyou guys. So, um, I'm
gonna go around real quick, Ben, leading up to the Last Jedi,
you're knee deep. You're probably whatfifty to one hundred episodes into skyhopping somewhere

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in there. Yeah, come around? Yeah, you mean like you weren't
It was episodes c X P Qt III. I think that was the
You know what, if I couldgo back and do it again, I
wouldn't do that, I know something. So anyway, what's what's hell of
you? Yeah? So, um, I knew, I knew where you
were. But did you uh,what did you do for this last Jedi

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as a content creator? Did youdo anything different it? Yes and no?
Um. I personally, after watchingthat trailer from Celebration, I had
a lot of anxiety leading up tothe Last Jedi. Uhlu Skywalker's my favorite
character. I had at least twopeople tell me they stopped listening to the
podcast during the lead up to theLast Jedi because I was sucking the fun

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out of the room. And I'mlike, I like, I respect that
entirely, um, and I apologizefor that, but it is it is
the truth um embarrassing when it wasat indeed, I can't listen to you
and I'm done. I'm done,um. But I I remember being told

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by you know, Mark and Ryanare both kind of signed off on don't
watch the trailers. Don't or likeit was the second trailer. I think
I tried to not watch it andthat didn't work. But I guess as
a content creator, we didn't dotoo much that was different. I definitely
I'm not a spoiler fobe in thesense that I will attack somebody for saying

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something, you know, for spoilingsomething, but I am spoiler reverse and
that I would rather not have themif I can avoid it. So I
was, if anything, I wasdiving less deep into things, and we
were trying to talk about things thatwere not necessarily related to the last Jedi,
so that we could kind of skimover the top and just take off
what we wanted. But that couldjust be ye hindsight, I'm the exact

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same way. I don't want anythingspoiled. That's why I have to see
it the first viewing on the Andagain it's not because I have to see
it that night. I could waittill the weekend. But I just don't
want to spoil. And being acontent creator now at this point, like
all all of us were on podcastUS and I know that I have a
lot of friends, were like,yeah, I'm just gonna go spoil,
spoil, spoil, and most ofour shows were like, Okay, this

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is the point of the show.If you don't want the new rumors for
the new movie coming out, logoff now, like or delete the podcast,
because every you had that preference.So Carlos, I know you guys
have the Tumbling Saber Crew. Youguys have a little tradition. I'm sure
there was calamari and stuff and beer, and I didn't you have a You

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guys go out have a meal andthen you go to the show, right,
Yeah, usually the second showing,so while when the first showing starts,
were at the restaurant, so nobody'son Twitter, We're not getting spoiled.
And then we'll eat and head offto the theater, which is what
we did that time. And itwas pretty cool. It was nice.

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It was freezing, yes, thisCanada, it was brutal, like worst
cold cold snap of the of thewinter happened to be that day, and
yeah, it was all good.It was fun. Um uh, I
was I'll be honest, I wasvery nervous before the start of that movie.

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Um, just the way the leadup to the movie and the trailer
and all the questions and trying toavoid spoilers, but also trying to be
a little bit informed enough to actuallyhave something to say on the podcast.
Um, you know that's it wasa balancing act that was very difficult to

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uh, yeah, to to toto balance that I was gonna say,
Yeah, it was just the jugglingright of like how far do I want
to go and how much do Iwant to spoil? And so I'm there
with you guys too, And um, I mean watching it on day one
is an absolute necessity because I wouldn'thave been able to sleep had I had

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I known that there were people outthere just waiting to just um verbalize all
their their diarrhea. Yea waiting theywere. And I hate the people like,
Okay, this isn't gonna spoil themovie. But I'm like, no,
stop it, just stop, justshut up. You're right, it's

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not going to spoil the movie becauseyou're done. Yeah, exactly, I'm
not talking to you in the immortalwords of Bill Burr. It's so,
but hold on, hold on.And so it was very, very tough
because um, all those questions andand the way Ryan Johnson cut that trailer

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together, UM made it so thatit was like it was going to be
maybe not divisive, but not somethingthat we expe effected. And so so
that put me on edge. Sothat's that's where I was before going into
the going into the theater. Okay, Rob Williams, I know you guys.

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You guys get together and do yourthing right like you were. Your
armor wasn't done by last Jedi,was it? No? Yeah it was
Oh no, no I was whatyears it seventeen? Oh no, I
wasn't done. Sorry, thank you. I watched this in a drive in
theater out in uh with my parents. Uh. Best moment of my life.

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Um, I I what I didsee? Uh. I was with
the Fible First at the time,like I joined the Fible First. Were
invited by some friends from toy tradersto see it, and uh, we
had the theater to ourselves. Itwas a lot of fun, I think
at this point, like we wererecording and obviously and um the rogue one
taught me to stop watching the trailersso intensely because whatever you see is it's

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illusion. You know, it's it'sit's not what you're going to expect.
This is not gonna end the wayyou think it will. That's the tagline
for this entire uh Star Wars sequelera. It's whatever it's going to be
put up on that trailer screen isnot gonna be what you expect. And
that's so I and Jamie taught methat as well, and my co host
Jamie so I went in there justkind of open minded and I left very

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happy. So good good. Butare you and yourself are you as a
as a content creator? Are youa spoiler guy? Or are you are
like if you hear it, it'sokay, but you're don't looking forward?
No, don't, No, Idon't like spoilers. Why are you trying?
What's what's I find? Um?Okay, here's where everybody else takes
a drink if they've listened to myshow. Um, when when Force Awakens

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came out, we took our entireschool to see the movie. Uh and
um there was kids after the movie. Um, we're running through the hallway
for those kids who couldn't who couldn'tsee it. They're right through the hallway
saying Hansole's dead. Who's dead?Hanzo's dead? That's a that's a maturity
level, right, And I'm notangry at the kids because they're they're learning
to do that. But there's peopledriving in their cars with the flags and

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signs on the back of the windowsaying hans was dead. That's a maturity
level. That's someone who's not confidentin themselves and need to find acceptance in
something. And so people who Ifeel intentionally spoil things are being immature.
People who unintentionally spoil things are justnot thinking. And either way it's hard
to get mad. But it's justlike, come on, dude, just
allow other people to enjoy things.This is this is why I can't have

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nice things. As I say,now is a dead So absolutely okay,
So let's get in this. Ohwe get a message driving in here grabs.
He says Rob was handing out coinsbefore he finished his armor, right
getting Rob, uh, No,I was never hand coin. No.
No, I wasn't even allowed tohave a coin. I was not I
was not even allowed to have aCoinways, well, Jamie was made made

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sure I didn't. Jamie was theone that handed me over the coin on
his very last day as commanding offsir. And so it was just it
was a beautiful moment. So welcamongst yourselves, bold the button or bold
discuss. Okay. So um,now we're okay, we're we're into the
last Jedi. We all know wehave a reaction show. Immediately after we

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had one on here, I hadsomebody from Ireland, Ireland, excuse me
eating a candy bar. This isbefore zoom where I could actually cut out
everybody's individual chatters on this. Itwas it was, it was, it
was, It was fun. Itwas Dave Donovan, just see it was
Dave Donovan. Yes, sorry David. It was eating her into the microphone,

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crumpling the paper. Oh my god. Yes, but that okay,
So we all had the reaction Soagain, um, this was one of
the more divisive ones for whatever reason. I'll i'll right off the top.
For me, I was fine withit. I liked it. It had

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stuff I wanted, It had moments. Well, well, I'm gonna ask
you later for your favorite and leastfavorite moments. But um, but just
the overall I'm assuming you're on thisretrospective, so you you like it?
Ben, like what you said,it's your second favorite? Who's it?
What's it behind? Um, it'sbehind a new hope because I'm okay,
Like I thought you're gonna stay tackleClones. I was like, no,

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get out, no no, no, no, no, no, no
no, no, um no,it's uh. I mean Lue Skywalker my
favorite character. I've said. Youknow, I'm pretty sure I've said on
previous retrospectives, previous episodes of thisRoundtable that Lue Skywalker is my favorite character
in all of fiction period um andI I will admit, much like Mark

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Hamill, I was like, oh, this is a different Luke. But
see I took it as a oh, this is something interesting as someone who
grew up reading legends and following Lukein that way where he's like the pinnick
of good right, and it's likehe's got his struggles, but it's like
that's kind of his thing. He'salways the good guy. Seeing this Luke,
this disillusioned, reclusive Luke, thatwas like, this is not my

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favorite read of this character thus far, you know, going right into the
movie. I mean, but um, like you have to put him there
so that he can be the Lukeat the end of the movie, which
is I think one of if not, it's to me, it's second only
too I'm a Jedi like my fatherbefore me. That is the second best

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moment. It's the most Jedi thing. It's it's the most Jedi thing.
And that's why it was so frustratingto come home, get on Reddit to
see what people were saying and beinglike, oh my god, oh my
god, why are people so mad? And uh, because they're on Reddit.
It's true, Rob, He actuallyhad this exact discussion five years ago,

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like over four years ago. Itwas the exact same to discussion,
talking about what people were saying onReddit and how like people were judging Luke's
character um from from the flashback sceneof him almost deciding to kill is his
nephew and not realizing that like we'reallowed to evolve as people, and him

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um facing off Kilo with the forceprojection and and and doing that whole thing
was probably the most Jedi master Jedithing ever. And being stuck in that
moment of seeing Luke through Kilo's eyesis like so shortsighted and stupid and the

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worst thing that we could do asfandom. Well, no, it's completely
safe. I'm safe to have myopinion and other people so uh no.
But SERI speaking, it was itwas tough to digest all that stuff,
and I think I made it mymission for the year following this movie to

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try to put those people in theirplace. And at a certain point you
just give up and it's like,you know what, like what you want
to like, don't like what youdon't want to like, And I don't
care right absolutely, But I stilllove the movie though, even though you
know, warts and all, thereare there are things about this movie that
I really love and things that Ithought were incredibly stupid. But Ryan Johnson

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knows how to tell a story.That's that's one thing you have to give
him. And I think this trilogywould have been better off or better served
having one voice because it was charge. It was definitely jarring going from episode
seven to episode eight. Yeah,and I understand people's frustration about that,
and then having the yo yo comeback down with episode nine and now it's

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like, okay, so we're backto this again. Well, yeah,
Like episode seven had a lot toyou, like it had to. It
had a lot of boxes to tick, and that's what it did. It
made new fans happy, old fanshappy. It had a new story kind
of really but you mean it waslike but but it mirrored the other movies.
It did everything Star Wars supposed todo and in the end it gave

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you hope, right, like,so that was that's Star Wars. But
this one it didn't have to takeany box. It was the second movie
and we were all, well,this could be the next Umpire strikes back,
or it could be the next attackof the Clones, like those are
two wildly different movies, or itcould be nothing like either. It could

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have. But Rob Williams, yousaid you you like this movie, you
said you enjoyed your um so whatare your like again? Not your I'll
ask your highs and lows after,but what are your what are your thoughts?
There was a lot of divisiveness withthis film, Like so I initially
ranked this okay. So according tomy ranking, um Star Wars movies not

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including the clown Wars. Why isit when you do your nerve voice,
you do me like like, whyare you doing? Hang on for those
who are yes, I'll be holdingmy earphones to the side here so I
can get that lowbot feel. ButI enjoyed this movie. Yeah there was
warts a little here and there,but I mean, man, we we've

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glamorized the original trilogy so much thatwe we ignore the warts, and it's
all It's part of its beauty.And I just watched I just finished watching
this an hour ago, and Ihadn't seen it in years. I haven't.
I haven't seen this movie in years, and I really enjoyed. I
was weeping in certain areas, oflaughing in certain areas. I was rolling
eyes in certain areas, and Iwas just I was enjoying a bloody movie

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and it was great. It wasStar Wars was characters that I remember and
evolved. And I will talk aboutwhat Ben and Carls was saying about the
maturity and growth of Luke. Dude, I'm not the same person it was
five years ago. And all Idid was, you know, I went
through a couple of life events.There's but nothing compared to the stuff that
a guy like Luke Skywalker, thischaracter who's seen as a legend in everybody's

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eyes, and the crab that hewent through. I'm just five years ago.
I'm a different person, So whycan't this guy evolve? And change.
I mean, it's just like thisis. But this again comes from
people who don't evolve, they don'tgrow there immature, they're stuck in their
little reddit holes and just living theirown little life a lot of the time.
Now that's not that's not to saythat if you disagree with this movie,

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you're wrong. I'm just talking aboutpeople who just still like piss the
bed all over stuff and just getimmature on something you can like and not
like a movie, great, loveit, have a proper discussion about it,
but it's just like I it's amovie, and it's just this is
a guy who dresses up like abloody stormtrooper, an alien, like a

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stack of pancakes. It's a movie. And if you're getting that invested,
you need to examine something in yourself. So that's love, something involved.
We invest money, we invest ourtime, invest our heart and a lot
of these things. And that's thebrilliant thing about movies. But it is
that it is what it is,and to critique it's part of the fun.

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To bitch about it and complain andwhine and and and act like the
way ar that's something different. That'swhere the Lion's Cross from me. Yeah,
I'd like to complain for the sakeof complaint, Like it's like I
didn't like it. It didn't takeall my boxes, so now I got
to burn into the ground like it'swhat and again, it's for me.
I even said after, I waslike, oh, that was a nice
ending. I'm my Luke Skywalker hasgone. And I was like, I'm

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taking every new Star Wars movie asthe end, like it's like, oh,
that was a nice conclusion, LikeI'm happy I got to see nine.
I'm I'm it's great, it's out. I'll watch of course, I'm
I'm watching it first showing it's like, so I had no, I had
no It's like I have my issues. I'm I'm all saying my worst in
my favorites. But the it wasthe uh it was a Star Wars movie.

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I mean it was. I don'tbut I don't want to. I
never get to understand. And we'lltry to move move off the because we're
we're not we're not We're not hereto defend this movie. We're here to
talk about the movie really like soand again, and that's and that's why
I but I don't ever feel theneed to convince anybody, Oh you didn't

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like the movie, Wow, thenyou're not as smart as I and you
exactly, I'm like gatekeeping, like, okay, that's fine. But yet
they got the Jerry can splash fromgas all over the theater posts like it
just like what are you doing?Like and it rippled all that negativity,
rippled into a poor solo showing,and their timing was like it just it

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actually does damage, you mean,So my weirdest take about this is the
last The last word on the negativepart was we had Ben grew up with
the Prequels, right, yeah,that was your childhood. I don't think
he had drive ins by the timeyou go defendom Menace. But anyway,
I'm not judging your parents by nottaking your drive and that's not We're not

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here to do that. So soyou had the prequels. But I was
noticing a lot of people Ben's age. Now, again, Rob Ben's not
a child, he has a grownman. He's twenty seven years old.
He just happens to be twenty.He just happens for twenty years younger than
we are. And that's okay.And but I noticed Ben, from people

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in your age group that were partof the sequel or the prequel trilogy crowd
were grew up defending the prequels,and they're like, man, I hate
people like my age he I mean, I liked the prequels, but people
in my age bracket would crap onthe prequels because it's not hashtag not my
Star Wars. If we once welearned how to what a hashtag was we

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and so so you get all thisolder generation crapping on the prequels, and
then you got the prequel kids defendingthe prequels. And then the weirdest thing
happened when the sequel trilogy came out. I started noticing a ton of people
in their twenties going hashtag not myStar Wars, like not my trilogy.
I mean like it was like,wait a second, Like you guys,

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white, what's happening? You knowwhat I mean? Like just it's almost
like Star Wars mirrors itself everywhere.Like so, you know some people that
don't like this this third trilogy,right then it's yeah, yeah, I
mean it's it's hard. It's hardnot to I mean, it's definitely we

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kind of talked about this, Uh, last time I was here when we
were talking about just like the issueswith like kind of geek culture in general.
I mean, it's something that's endemicto the entire subculture. It's not
just Star Wars fans, and Iunderstand the feeling of feeling like the problem
is it's these people. You canmakes your entire self Star Wars right like,

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and of course this is nothing we'venot heard before, but it's like
because when you do, it becomesa personal attack. When a movie comes
out that you don't like, oryour friends on the internet. People you
think our friend, your friends onthe internet are all being like, oh,
well, this trilogy sucks, notlike the prequels. Everyone always loved
the Prequels, and it's like,yeah, no, they didn't know they
didn't That is just absolute crap.It's not real. That's not what happened.

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So part of me is able tokind of dismiss it as like,
Okay, give it some time.I think you'll come back around on this,
just like you know something, justlike people do with the prequels.
Right there's a lot of people Ithink who have come back around on it,
watched them again, and then otherwiseI just kind of dismiss it.
Entirely. You know. It's oneof those things when you're talking to someone.
I think we've all learned over thelast few years, when you're talking

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to someone, you can learn reallyquickly if you can just disregard their opinion.
It's like, I don't need tohear what you think about these movies
because you're coming at it from completelythe wrong You're it's just that's completely the
wrong thing. Um. But thankfullyI've done pretty well surrounding myself with people
who like Star Wars for liking forStar Wars sake, not like liking Star
Wars to dump on it, whichis something that this happens a lot.

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That's the whole point, and that'swhy I like, I'm I'm turned on
to going the celebrations now because itis literally a celebration, Like you're getting
together with your with your with yourlike minded friends. Um, I just
a yep. If we can recommendanything, then um, maybe you have.
You don't want to surround your lifearound one thing, so maybe you

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should do it. We do wewatch hockey, so we have we have
hockey up here in Kennett Rob,but Rob stopped watching hockey in twenty eleven.
Yes, because because of the Canucks, I understand like the city I
got it actually does relate in away. Because I got so invested in
something I had zero control over.I got so best. I invested money,
time, everything into a hockey teamthat I don't get to choose the

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players. I don't get to choosehow they spend their money. I don't
get to even some days, Idon't even get to choose where I sit
and watch the damn thing. AndI got so invested that I was not
enjoying it anymore. So I tooka hiatus and I want I'm so much
happier for it. And I eventold my buddy E Neil, who who's
a huge m Canucks fan, Isaid, I'm officially a bandwagoner now and

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I'll join. I'll enjoy them whenthey get good, and I will ignore
them when they get bad. AndI'm okay with that because I want to
enjoy the good stuff. YE Playoffwatcher not why I watched. It's not
why. It's not why I watchedthe sport. I watched the sport for
its athleticism, and I was losingthat focus. And I think that's what
happens with Star wars. We loseour focus of what is the point of
the standard taine? Right? Okay, well there we go. Now again

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we're I'm going to ask you what'syour high point low point? Now,
yeah, there's given me a littlebit of negativity. But we're done talking
about the social the ugly people onthe internet. This movie for me just
w no, no ye. Thismovie for me, I like if we're
just doing scenes. I love thewhen Ray and Kylo we're back to back

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fighting off the bad guys. Ilove that. That was great. Um,
I'm okay with how the movie endedup. The the Mary Poppins Leia
hit wrong for me. I understandwhat they did. I have no problem.
Of course, she's for sensitive ofcourse, and now when in hindsight
we know she had training, Iget all that. It was just the

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visual wool was off for me.It pulled me and yanked me right out
of the movie like it was oneof those Oh it was just it just
for some reason, I say thisabout my favorite Empire strikes back and when
Han hops on his tonton and oneof the rebels goes, you're gonna freeze
out there, they'll see anyone.He it's like stop it, like it's
just all right, Like it yanksme out every single time I watch it.

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And again, that's the Mary Poppinslea from and again I get it.
I'm not bitching about her ability.I'm just it was just a little
weird. Carlos, you got ahigh point low point like again like high
point. Uh think for me,probably one of the best things in all
of Star Wars is chu We flyingthe falcon on the Battle of Crate.

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Yes, yes, incredible, incrediblemoment for me. Ray shooting those three
Tie fighters were one shot beautiful.I just noticed that that was that was
a great shot. Yeah, Ilove that. And uh yeah, obviously
Ray and Kilo, um just kylothe way Kilo tricks smoke because he knows

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smokes in his mind, so heuses that against him, um to to
sever him in half. And uhand then the fight with the Praetorian Guards
that ensues after was was gorgeous.It was so well choreographed. Um yeah,
there was a lot of high points. I didn't like the whole I'm

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a huge fan of John Williams.I just felt that this was too much
of a mashup of the greatest hitsum, where whereas Um The Force Awakens
was probably his best work since episodethree. M Um. I really love
the soundtrack for Force Awakens. Itfelt it felt natural, it felt organic,

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whereas this felt forced. Um andI did. I really disliked the
crate not create, but Canto biteum not. The messaging, the messaging
is was fine and the whole Yeah, there's people profiting off off war everywhere,
and I like what they're what they'resaying, what the message was behind

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it. I just find that thewhole rose teaching Finn a lesson and the
Father ears, and it just tookthem forever to get there. It'd be
like via Carlos's place, like itjust doesn't like it's it's ridiculous, like
it just it was a long.Wow, that took a long time.
It's like almost like a Fantom Menacewhen it's like there's always a bigger fish.

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I'm like, wow, you spenttwenty minutes on that. Yeah,
that was a big I can't Idon't know if I can eat anymore.
I I still might like cantle Bitebetter than them going through the planet core,
but and I don't mind the FantomMenace either. But you know,
there's there's things about every Star Warsmovie that are cringe and uh yeah,

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for me, cantle Bite was cringe. The the bombers, like really that
you're you're relying on the safety ofof of the rebellion and and the resistance
on these bombers that can't move anyfaster than that, and like if you
sneeze or far too close to oneof those things, that's going to explode

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from the inside. Like I'm notI'm not a huge fan of that.
I love the design of the ships, u those are those were great,
but uh and I love pose flyingand that and kind of that whole um
the whole plan to disable the Dreadnought, which which was great, I think
it would have been better served ifthey had jumped to light speed, gone

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out and then have them catch upto them and be like, holy cow,
they could follow us and then havethat bombing run on the Dreadnought.
It would make a lot more senseto blow up the Dreadnought then, right,
because you know, it's like nowwe're in imminent danger, right,
yes, exactly exactly. So sothere was a little there was a little
bit of like, okay, youknow, they could have done. The
storytelling a little bit different, butoverall, I think the overreaching message of

(30:37):
the movie it was fantastic. Itwas great, and it could have literally
ended the sequels the way it ends. Yeah, just lay As saying we
have everything we need and and andit's perfect, just okay, we can
walk away. And with the turmoilsurrounding nine and having to fire call in

(30:59):
trevorro which was probably the right decision, and then hire JJ to take over,
which was probably not the best decision. Um. Yeah, I would
have been completely fine with this beingthe last movie of the trilogy, or
of of the sequels in reality,because two movies doesn't make a trilogy yet.
No, yeah, but somebody needsto show the math to Zack Snyder

(31:22):
that five movies is in a trilogy. It's not a five part trilogy,
your dumbass. Anyways, we're nottalking about that today. No, no,
no, no, no, no. Hey, there was just a
correlation in what I was saying.I would have been fine with. I
would have been fine with the sequelsending at eight. But because the story
was was great. I don't knowif you guys washed knives out, Like
Ryan Johnson's a great filmmaker, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so

(31:48):
fantastic yea, yeah yeah, exactlyvery good. So anyways, uh,
there are some high points of lowerpoints, but uh yeah, I think
the high points they destroy the lowerpoints for me in this movie, and
so it allows me to enjoy themovie every time I watch it. Yes,
um Ben highs and lows. Well, Uh, Luke standoff with Kilo

(32:09):
is the apex of the movie.It's the apex of the sequel trilogy as
a whole, if you ask me, Um, that is absolutely the best
part, that whole lead up tojust the whole Battle of Crate. I
like, um the I like,I really really enjoy the bit with where

(32:30):
Luke is like teaching Ray the firstlesson and she's sitting and she's listening to
the forest and all those weird likenot Star Wars cuts to other things happening.
It's like raphic moment right right,and it's like it's just it's interesting
to me. Like I just watchedThe Force Awakens last night, and I
guess I knew we were talking aboutthe last Jedi today, but I don't
know if we can yet. Iswhat came on. And I was just

(32:53):
like I was really noticing all theseshots that are like air quote. I
say air quotes, not Star Warslike the one that are more already he
feels like the wrong word, butjust like more um cinematic, cinematic.
Yeah, that's exactly what I wasgetting to, where it's like, oh,
this is something different, and thatseat that sequence with Ray always stands
out to me um as something that'sit's it's just like it's nice in a

(33:20):
way that Star Wars doesn't tend thathasn't wasn't always under George Lucas Um.
I think that I really I enjoythe little like the destroying the dreadnought that
sequence at the beginning, But Ialso do agree that it's it feels some
of them. Some of the arcsin this movie feel a little forced to
me. Some of the characters sometimesfeel a little um. I don't know,

(33:45):
it's like I don't know how tosay it, because it's like what
what I'm thinking. Most of themmostly is like Poe, it's like,
pose not stupid. We know,pose not stupid. He behaves to me,
it's it seems like he's a littlestupid in this movie sometimes where he's
just unwilling to accept that someone knowssomething and he doesn't, and it's just
like, dude, come on,I want to shake you. But I
think it's a beautiful movie overall.Um, I don't remember who which which

(34:08):
have you said? It was jarringgoing from the Force Awakens to The Last
Jedi back to Rise of Skywalker.And it's just because, yeah, those
filmmaking styles are so different. LikeThe Last Jedi feels very like dark and
muted, but not in a badway. It's like it feels like an
intentional thing. Um, whereas youknow, the other two movies feel very
right. I think it had more. It had more of that Empire aesthetic.

(34:29):
Yep, it literally the compared totwo episode four. So well,
yeah, I just I just rewatchedLast Jed and I also in my head
right now all the years that dD like it, just like that.
That's the whole that's the whole thing. The red logo. I remember seeing
that red logo and being like,oh my god, what is this?
What are we about to see?Um? And I know I'm not very

(34:52):
being very good at picking out specificmoments, but Luke's arc, I know
I've already said Luke was a highpoint. But Luke's arc in general.
To me, it's I remember thinkit was when Ash and I talked about
this on the show. Ashe waslike, yeah, I walked out of
the theater and was like, Benis gonna hate that. Ben is going
to think that was the worst movieever. And then ashe texted me,

(35:14):
was like, what do you think, I'm like, that was incredible.
That was incredible because I and I'mnot trying to sound superior, but I
did not stop watch. I didnot stop paying attention to Luke's arc when
the Raschiman thing with the flashbacks himtrying to kill Kylo happened. I continued
to pay attention to the movie afterwardsand saw like, oh, he's been

(35:34):
through a lot. It makes sense, like his entire future, Like it
makes sense. You're a young adult, you're told this is your destiny,
this is your future, and youfeel that you were supposed to bring back
the Jedi Order. That's what weare counting on you to do, and
we have been counting on you todo. You know, you build him
up into a legend, that's whathappens. And then suddenly, you know,
whether it's subconscious or not, he'sstarting to believe that he's that legend,

(35:59):
and then and it all falls down. You know, it's like it's
Palpatine was you know, never reallygone um, and it's just he's it's
undermined from the inside. And suddenlyeverything that you thought you were, you
thought you were supposed to be forthe last you know, twenty years or
whatever, it's just gone. It'sripped out from under you. Of course
you're going to just it's totally reasonableto run away and hide, even at

(36:22):
the expense of leaving your other lovedones behind, because you feel that you've
just done more damage than anything else. And then whenever he called williams,
oh sorry, I say when itmakes it when he comes back, it
makes when he comes back, it'slike that's an even stronger moment because it's
like that's just more growth, it'smore development. He's like, no,
we need the Jedi, we needthat. And and there's there's a sentence

(36:44):
in the movie where where Kyla looksat Ray it's like when they were talking
to each other through the forest,he's like, you can't be doing this
with this would kill you. Sohe sets it up for I remember having
the reaction round table after and somebody'slike I don't get it. He just
died. I'm like, yeah,they set it up early in the movie.
Oh okay, yeah, great,would be good. Okay, now

(37:06):
Rob Williams high and loves it,would be good. Um. I was
just I was listening to you guystaking some notes here. And it's what
Carlos says, the pros outweigh thecons for me, like the cons that
I have are so like, um, Porks for example, I first I
liked him. I watched me watchinghim like, yeah, they're they're touch

(37:27):
annoying. Yeah, um, it'sit's it was they were cute at some
point. Love turbists shout out tothe chess signs. Still love turpists make
turbist happen. But Porks in generalwhere I found a touch annoying. But
just that's small. Finn's lack ofarch arc sorry arch Finn's lack of arc
was a bit. You know,it's disappoint because I liked Finn last episode

(37:49):
and um, and I was kindof hoping for a little bit more out
of him, more for him,I should say, because he's a one,
Like he's a wonderful actor. Yeah, I love him very good.
And I think this character deserved alittle bit more, especially when when we
finally see FAsMA coming back. AndI love FAsMA and I was so disappointed
when she wasn't in the third one, but um, you know, who
knows. I mean, you'd unlessyou see a body, he's not dead

(38:12):
and that's my hope for me andnone. But so I wish he had
more of an arc. Wish FAsMAhad more of an arc, but she
was still awesome when she was there. Um, I think it was the
subtlety of the movie that there wasmoments like where it's almost like you're looking
at the camera. H that wasa joke. It's it's that sort of
thing the humor can see landed wrongin certain people, and it was a

(38:37):
it wasn't as it should have beena little more subtle. Star Wars humor
is a lot more subtle in atleast the original trilogy. And um,
and there was that moment I justremember when I went dawned on me,
like Kylo's firing away on Luke andthere's a great lines you think you got
him. That was great, Butit was before that where he's clutching his
hands and that driver's got it forsome reason, he's got turn it around,

(39:00):
look at the look at the camera, but look in the direction of
the camera and see his glove titanto remind us that he's angry. No,
you don't. You don't need thedriver to look at us. The
driver just you focus on what you'resupposed to be doing. It's that certain
thing, like there's um. DJ'sstutter was a little bit too much.
Okay, we gets a stutter.Don't don't. Don't milk it if you

(39:22):
think that's bad. Just a sidenote, don't read his standalone comic because
they they they print it in hisin his bubbles and his speech bubbles.
It is fine, you have astutter. I'm not that's not the problem.
But it was just like I guess, maybe it was his acting of
it. Maybe it was just overemphasizing certain things. But the DJ character

(39:43):
was really good. I really likedhis Karen. You know, wish we
want more. But that's the bestthing at Star Wars. You're always wanting
more, and I think they gaveus too much at times. It's things
like the cameo appearance. You know, the guy's tasting the salt. You
know, it's like, oh,it's salty, and then they just lingered
too much on those cameos. It'slike, yeah, I know, it's
salty, it's great, just tellus that and move on. But we

(40:05):
want to talk about the good things. It's visually, it's beautiful. Yeah,
I mean you have create the redand the white and that scene where
they're finally Kyle and the gang arewalking through the cave. It's just a
gorgeous scene, the whites and redsand blacks. It's um. Snoke's death
was awesome. I love his death. It was one of the best ones,
Luke says. Ben talked about Luke, his arc was just amazing and

(40:29):
even fooled me, Like the secondtime. He's like, yeah, I
can see why this fooled me becausehe's old. Before he's younger, and
we're so used to movies where theguy, you know, he's business.
He's cut his hair and look cleanand taking it a shower and now he's
ready to fight. And here mymind was set on that, and it
was like, dude, no,he was. He was like somewhere else.
That's the old image everybody had,and it was that's what was cool

(40:50):
about I love Canto Bite. Thevisuals of canto bite. I love the
It was just lavish and rich andwealthy, and it was beautiful. I
really wish they had inserted a littlemore of the original trilogy characters. Yeah,
put an aquilition there, put aKalamari. Put put an emodeon in
there or something like that. Thateven, you know, I too much,

(41:13):
And I think that again, thatgoes back to that subtlety. It
was way too much. There's asinging opera woman with the twelve boobs or
something like that there. It wasjust like a little too much. But
the action was gorgeous. Snoke's arcwas gorgeous, Kilo's rage was incredible.
Just the message itself was just awonderful part of this. And that's why

(41:35):
I really enjoyed it. Because thehall though fricking maneuver, the image of
that scene beautiful and this and nosound, that's all. And then eventually
it sound catches up and you canhear the explosions of all the other ships
because of just the shrapnel of everythingjust ripping everything apart. And I know,
people, why don't they do thatnormally? Now, don't ruin it.

(41:57):
It looks good, it looks beautiful. Just keep but the way it
is, and I start to lighthold those character at the end, which
is really she was written well becauseyou're on post site, what is it
with her? I don't like her, I don't like Crug. She's doing
things and then you realize, youknow what, she knows what she's doing.
And that's why I did like poseArch because he grew up too.
He was he was a hot headand this was his learning moment. Yeah.

(42:22):
Absolutely, Now, um, thismovie started with what do they get?
Like we were all on pins andneedles, and then you saw Thin
okay, we know he's okay,and he's walking around and Pose like talking
to BB eight like what, yeah, exactly what's going on? So?
And then Finn's first question, where'sRay? Awesome? Yeah? And then

(42:45):
they then we get to see Rayback on the mountain on the island hand,
and then Luke tosses the saber.I think for a lot of people,
when you get through the movie,you're like, oh, I get
it. I mean it's like,what's he gonna do? It's like it
was almost like the big question,Yeah, what was he going to do?
And we waited what was it twothree years? Years? Yeah?

(43:07):
Yeah, to get that answered,and I think there's nothing wrong with the
way Luke reacted once you see themovie. But I think for a lot
of people it just took him rightout, like it just like it's like
even before, like they're five minutesin the movie, they're like, I'm
out. You mean, like youknow why, because the way they set

(43:28):
it up, it gave people twoyears to imagine what Luke was going to
do when he had the saber inhis hand. Yeah, Whereas if that
scene was never filmed and the lastJedi takes off the way the same way,
then there's probably ninety percent less backlash, or even if Luke was in.

(43:51):
If Luke was in, the Forceawakens even a little bit more.
I think it has to do withdelivery as well. Over the shoulders a
loof. If he had thrown itdown, it's anger. If you throw
it to the side, it disgustand I think, how drop Yeah if
yeah, if you did the micdrop, then it's just too hip.
But I mean it's just like Ithink it's the moment he was going to
get rid of that somehow, AndI think over the shoulder, and it

(44:13):
may go back to what I wastalking about subtlety. I think the over
the shoulder was the bad move becauseit was like it was again too aloof.
He should have been disgusted or justlike not even taking it, just
turned away, Yeah, don't eventake it. Then that says a lot
right there, because what we didit lead up to a poor grade to
shoot its eye out. I meanthat was just like that was the trade

(44:37):
off for that throwing over the shoulder. So yeah, but like I like
this. I like the moment ofhim yeah what you say, carlost of
him just not wanting it, butthat build up, it goes back to
expectations. So yeah, yeah,but that's that. But that was j
that was the they baked that intothe cake when he built in the cliffhanger,

(45:00):
like the literal cliffhanger. You don'tdo that, Like you're working with
Star Wars here, you don't needyou don't need to do that. People
are already on the edge of theirseat, Like you didn't need to do
that. All you did was createan environment. And I think with hindsight,
I think he I would assume thathe realizes this and probably wouldn't do

(45:20):
it the same way again. Uh, and if not, then you know,
he probably needs a talking to,but yeah, it was. It
was a classic Back to the Futurething where they made it and they put
that end, that little epilogue sceneat the end with Marty you gotta come
back to the future. It's yourkids, you mean, and when they
went. But but but in thatmovie and Back to the Future, in

(45:40):
a way, it's kind of necessarybecause it's it's the first movie and you're
trying to set up a trilogy,whereas this one we already know it's going
to be a trilogy. Yeah.Yeah, But but the thing is with
Back to the Future, they theywere literally even uh Robert Zemeckis there was
saying and it was like we werehandcuffed because they sequel was pretty much written.

(46:01):
We couldn't do anything other than answerthose questions. And it's the same
thing with us. We were we'vebeen waiting since eighty three to see Luke
on screen, and then when wesaw him, other than being born,
like we didn't need to see that, yes exactly. So um so we've

(46:22):
now we've seen Luke and then weyes, the Force awakens and then we
get two seconds with him and it'slike, well, I gotta wait another
two years. It was just likethis. The anticipation was I loved it
crazy, So I loved it theubas or no, that's why I go
to sleep with So okay, um, three of us are dads who said

(46:47):
that in delivering room. Uh justhappened? Okay? Oh no, no,
what am I talking about? Iknow? I just if I forgot
no, sorry, m my myyoungest is nine, So there's uh ubas
was out and what what was?Oh? You're right, yeah so all
my kids. No, I wasn'ta nerd. I was like, holy

(47:09):
crap, Holy crap, holy crap. That was what mine was saying.
So yeah, I was mine?Was mine? Was more like a are
you done yet? I know Ireleased the crack and sorry, can we
go home? There's a I don'tget okay, So so Ben, when

(47:34):
you have kids, it's a delight. Um. So okay, we're gonna
go on spore around the horn heregoing after this movie. We love I
mean, we all liked it.We know the social media issues going forward.
I'm in Carlos's boat where it couldhave ended. You mean, we
could have stopped at eight, andI was okay, because you tied up,

(47:57):
you got rid of Phasma. Yougot rid of the big bag.
You had the our our our heroLuke face off against Ben you mean,
and you had the rebels taking offin the falcon Like for me, it
was like, and you knew Rayhad all the Jedi techs. You we
got that wink and you got thatlittle like Star Wars hope. You mean

(48:20):
you got that wink with the withthe with the stable boy, you mean
you saw the forest. It's alwaysalmost like we could have walked away and
we would have been good. Likeagain, I'm I appreciate all the other
movies. They could come out tomorrowand say, um, oh we're gonna
we're gonna do No, we're gonnado ten. We're not. We're just
gonna add an extra one like theydid with Pirates of Caribbean. It's like,

(48:43):
we're this this trilogy, Well we'renot another one on yeah exactly.
So and again I'll be there openingnight first. I'll be tickets in hand,
and I'll go watch it and makea roundtable about it, of course,
Like but where we're um, Carlos, So I'm gonna go right to
you first because we know, likewe kind of discussed where were you right
after this same thing like where you'rewhat were your Did you need anything else?

(49:07):
Answered? In nine to Do likeno, because uh Ray literally closes
the door. She literally closes thedoor on Kylo like right at the end
of that movie. And then yousee that you see the texts our main
characters are all in the falcon together. Leiah gives the message of we have

(49:30):
everything we need. We saw Lukepass on. It was like for me,
it was like no, it's perfect. And as soon as I left,
I'm like, oh, what arethey gonna do in two years?
How is how are they gonna smokegonna? I thought they were gonna transfer
snokes um or smoke transferred his consciousnessinto another body, which was kind of

(49:54):
very close to what what what kindof happened? Seeing as how there was
vats of smokes everywhere. I wasn'texpecting Palpatine. It would have been cool
if the Palpatine that we had therewould have been like a holocron or or
a recording or something still pulling thestrings from beyond the grave and not actually

(50:19):
rising up from the grave. Ithink that would have been better. But
but yeah, when I left themovie, I was like, Okay,
there's a lot of questions, notbecause the movie didn't answer questions, but
because I know there's another movie coming, So how are they gonna attach those
together? You know, That's theproblem with Star Wars and why I kind

(50:43):
of I like the standalones in asense because they're not tied into a trilogy.
Yeah, they're not tied into whatStar Wars was. You can make
singular Star Wars projects and have thembe surprising and have them, you know,
their message not have to be tiedinto a structure that um worked for

(51:05):
the Originals and worked worked for theprequels um because they were they were working
well, they were working backwards fromfrom from that point, right, So
had they kind of jammed that stuffin there, I think it would have
been better to go further back thanjust thirty years. So you can actually

(51:27):
have a younger Anakin or an olderAnakin in the first movie and kind of,
you know, lead up to SebastianShaw looking in episode six, a
character that would actually be that ageas opposed to somebody who was in his
forties. It's kind of it was, It's weird. It was just all

(51:49):
weird to me. Yeah, yeah, Okay, everybody says that he Look,
he didn't even have the guts.He didn't even have the guts to
go down to the surface of Hadenknowing that his step brother was there to
find the droids and the plans forthe Death Star. He didn't want to
know nothing about that. To Ween, Oh so he was sad. It's
horrible again. Yeah, of coursemy breathing apparatus. Well yeah, it's

(52:14):
more dangerous to him now, Ifeel like than ever. Yeah, exactly.
Okay, Ben, where were youafter this? Um? Going in?
We knew we were getting another one? Right? Right? But what
is there anything you needed? Answerto nine? Like? We were not
like, like what did you?Well? See I I and now I
do. I'm sorry, I dohave to bring up some online discussion or

(52:35):
a point that's all made on line. A lot was just like the Pete
there's this idea that eight left uswith nowhere to go. People are like
eight cut off all the end,caught off all the loose ends. There
was nothing that needed tied up innine. And I'm like, did we
literally did we watch the same movie? Like we know nothing nine could go
anywhere? That was the beautiful thingabout it. Um, So I I

(52:55):
would not have been happy with thatif they had just ended it there.
Um, I would have been excitedto see those stories play out, especially
because I feel like, like wesaid, J. J. Abrams,
Chris Terry Oh, maybe not thebest writing team for episode nine. If
they had given that to if thoseif eight had been the last sequel movie

(53:16):
and those had been spun off intobooks or comics where there are tons of
great writers, great creators working onthem, that would have been cool to
see. But yeah, I wouldn'thave been. I you know, I
don't want to call myself a puristbecause I feel like that kind of implies
that I'm anti new things. ButI'm a pearist in the sense that I
appreciate the fact that Star Wars islike poetry and Star Wars does rhyme,

(53:39):
and you've got three trilogies, andI wanted, I needed that last movie.
I wanted that last movie. Um. I'm not going to talk about
it because that's not why we're here, But coming out of it, I
was, I was, you know, I was elated. I was excited
to see where nine would go.I because of that kind of open endedness

(54:00):
where it's like Ray could be anywhere, especially once we found out it's a
year down the line. I'm like, a lot can happen in a year.
Um, A lot of things canchange. And so coming out of
that movie, I was I waschomping at the bit for more. Um,
but UM, I definitely see thevalue and like being that could have

(54:22):
been the end and it could havespied out. And that's that's what carloson
again again. I was right thereday one for for of course nine.
But it was like, oh mychildhood hero is dead. Han's gone too,
He's got the fall. Like itwas just like I it was okay
if you mean, like not nothingmore. But if if something happened to

(54:45):
me and I passed away between eightand nine. You talk about that on
every podcast I'm on with you.You talk about dying before you get to
see the next door walls when youget to Robin ized age. Are you
dragging me into this? You know, Rob, you're slightly older than I.
Am'm gonna live forever. I'm gonnalive forever. If it wasn't for
socialized medicine, it would be verysick right now. It would be very

(55:07):
horrible. Yeah, Oh that's justfunny. I don't know it's like there
are two things I can talk Ican trust roadcasts to talk about watching watching
a New Hope and that they drivein and death yea, yes, the
ever encroaching um bonds of mortality thatwe will all evidence be faced with at
some point or another thing exactly.Okay, Um, Rob Williams, I

(55:29):
just want to touch on something too. Trilogies weren't really a thing until Return
of the Jedi like came out forus, like we like, if you
think about it, we we hada couple of sequels were they tried to
that was starting to come out inthat area because we had like you know,
with Jaws too, Rocky too.But it wasn't an automatic five yeah,

(55:51):
yeah, exactly. It wasn't anautomatic thing. It wasn't like here's
a big franchise you're getting. ThreeStar Wars was one of those first ones
to make it that. If theyweren't the first, they were the one
that made it a thing, right, made it popular, right, So
yeah, because even a godfather hadwant to do. And then it was
like years later the three like itwas oh Frado's Revenge, Yeah yeah,

(56:13):
yeah of course. Yeah. So, um, where were you after this
one? Rombie. But apparently Iwas near depth door according to you,
Yeah, exactly, well you knowour age again. Um I was.
I was, I can't see thisending right here. It was like ray
hasn't hat finished arc yet, rayOh you want to know where I was?
I was online trying to figure outwhat the hell Raylo frigging was.

(56:37):
I was like regretted it. Ohgod, yeah, yeah, I mean
I And then I was online readyto find the numbers for people to talk
to a counter to understand what thefreaking gaslighting is. I don't understand this.
I'm sorry if it's anybody's a Raylofan out there, but I mean,
I don't understand. He was abusive. He was really a killer in

(56:57):
a moment's notice. But yeah,I love you. I don't. I
wanted the Force awakens. Last night. I was joking. I was joking
to my girlfriend. I was justlike, he's got her like locked up
in the shackle, like in thethe apparatus, and I'm just like,
oh my god, do you seethe romance the fire between these two?
And I'm like, it's I justI don't know when this when Twilight is

(57:20):
a better love story than this,then there's a concern. I'm sorry,
it's because it's not a love story. That's all it is. That.
Yeah, But but what that doessignify though, and I was making a
joke for to get to actual purpose, there's there wasn't conclusion. Those two
neat to finish what they started,and so there needs to be an end
between those two on some way.When I left this movie, there needs

(57:44):
to be the galaxy needs to besaved as well. There needs to be
something happening there. And so therewas there was these little bits and pieces
that need to be solved, andso I was looking forward to that,
and I wasn't. I didn't findthis as an end, But I can
understand why some people felt that waybecause there was a lot of finality to
a lot of things. But thosefinalities were Luke. Um. Sorry I

(58:07):
say a lot, but I'm justsaying the major finalities were Luke. And
for us old school people who arenear death, we that that was our
old Star Wars that were coming toan end. But this is the new
Star Wars and we need to finishtheir stories. We need to finish Finn
stories, finish raised story. APoe needs to extend his story and now
be the leader, and there wasand rescue the galaxy. These were all

(58:30):
things that were building up to it, I felt, and so I was
I was eager to see it.I was happy because there's no direction.
We were so used to UM episodeone, two and three. We knew
how it was going to end someway, somehow, the punctuations there this
one, anything goes, and that'swhat I was excited about. So there
were loose ends, but they neededto be a finish to the to raise

(58:53):
arc, and that's what I waslooking forward to most because I didn't believe
even then I see him now aswell. I didn't believe what I was
saying about parents being junk whatever.He's a liar everything, and all their
visions were wrong. Everybody's vision waswrong, because that's how what we've learned
as Star Wars. All your visionsare wrong. It's just nothing. Nothing
is right. So it's so Iwas like, Okay, well he's lying.

(59:16):
Everything he says is a lie,and we still the question of whose
Ray and who's a parent, whoher parents are was still up in the
area, and I remember that specificallyleaving this view. Well, yeah,
and that's what I think. Ithink even me going in for forgetting that,
going like, oh yeah, Hanswrapped up. We know Leia is
going to be wrapped up because inreal time she did see Carrie Fisher passed

(59:37):
away. Luke's gone, Um,it wasn't it wasn't the Luke Skywalk or
or it wasn't the Um, itwasn't the Phasma trilogy. It wasn't the
Snoke trilogy. It wasn't the itwas the it was the Star Wars another
Star Wars. But it did confusethings when Snoke died. That confused things

(59:57):
a lot because he is It's likeHappatine dying in episode two. It's like
or well, Empire, It's justlike, well, what happens next?
Well, I don't if you heardthere was a heat there was one or
two Snoke theories online before a couplethere was two. Yeah. He was
freaking amazing too. Yes, thewho who played him again, Um,
Andy serkis Andy serkis, thank youfreaking amazing voice. I had his voice.

(01:00:22):
Yeah, I loved it. Thefact that you can play Snoke and
Dollum Lord of the Rain like therange is just incredible. Exactly all right,
gentlemen, thank you very much forhopping on this episode. I appreciate
it. Again, we don't dobeat for beat. Were just talking about
a movie and in in retrospect againwe had that. We did a roundtable
immediately after and was like, ourhair is on fire. But I mean,

(01:00:47):
but this is a chest pain somespelled per toast. You should go
to the dog. I fall andI can't get up. You need life
alert day roll. He's stuck.He's stuck at his armor. The paramedics

(01:01:07):
walk in with just the look ofjust an intense pity on their face,
and everybody's like, not surprised,olden nerves. It's like you're a trooping
at the age of eighty or somethinglike that, stuck in our armor,
can't get out. They think thekids pay their five bucks and they shoot
you with the little sticky arrows andactually knock you over. Oh my goodness.

(01:01:30):
All right, thanks Ben, aroundthe horn real quick. Um let
them bid. People know your socialmedia is where they can find it and
your shows. Carlos find me atsee Candido Music or at the Funny Carlos
on Twitter and Instagram or at cardoscandidoo music dot com. I'm going to
be revamping my whole website, umin the next month or soul and fans

(01:01:53):
only only. I'm knot down.I'll have a um yeah, I'll have
one of one of the pages willbe just for only fans, just for
just for you, Rob. Uhbut and that's it then Yeah. Check

(01:02:15):
out Tumbling Saber dot com excellent,fantastic Ben Skyhoppers and this guy happened working.
Yeah I'm on Twitter at fairt liciouslywhere I'm perennially spewing nonsense. Um.
I do a podcast with a coupleof my friends called the Skyhoppers Podcast.
Um. We talk about anything andeverything in Star Wars. Um.

(01:02:37):
We are, I think, thethe young bloods of this loose collective podcasts.
And um, it's gonna be weirdwhen we're you know, not young,
when we're knocking on deaths, whenwhen we're dead don't die. Um.
But uh, yes, we havea lot of fun over there.

(01:03:00):
Um. You could find us onTwitter, you just search it. Um,
there is a Skyhoppers podcast dot com. Um, all the contact links
are there. It's not up.It's not current because I got really busy,
but I'm hoping to spend that backup at some point in your future.
UM. I also do a showwith my friend Cole, who was
also on Skyhoppers, generally called thebro Skywalkers. We talk about legends,
books, Um, We're currently readingTales from Job's Palace. We haven't gotten

(01:03:23):
to goat Grass yet. We haven'tgotten to goat Grass yet, but when
we do, UM, I mean, actually, Rob, I have a
quick aside. I know we're inthe outs here, but a couple last
last year for April Fools, Ithink UM. I was waiting for Cole
to send me his half of theepisode because we recorded separately and I'm mixing
together UM, and he was like, I saw his U I saw his

(01:03:47):
upload. I'm like, this isn'tbig enough. What's the matter with us?
And I played and I'm like,what is this? Sounds weird?
He's just reading something. And thenI started to and I've started to listen
a little bit more. I'm like, oh, I got Instead of sending
to me his half of the episode, he sent me a trance he was
reading from Goat Grass, the Taleof Reus from Tales from Java's Palace.

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And I'm like, this is theworst thing that's ever happened to me.
Because I'm like he's just reading something. What is it? And then I
texted I'm like, I'm like,I think you sent me the wrong thing.
And he's like, listen more closely, and I'm like, oh my
god, no, this is horrible. Yeah, I'm I'm ready. I'm
ready to get to that story.But a bro skypot on Twitter is where

(01:04:30):
you can find that awesome and it'sa lot of fun if I can make
a recommendation. Um, the priceof admission is really low. But the
sky Hopper's patron, you're you're prerecording. What do you wait, wait
wait wait, you put out everyweek after hours, after hours free,
it's pre show after hour, it'sit's it's but anyway, it's well worth
the price of of of of patronlike it is. It's if that's there,

(01:04:54):
there's there's weeks where it's like ifI got to choose what I'm I'm
listening to the to the rod maybeafter hours not answer. I appreciate that
route thing. Yeah, we dohave a Patreon and if you wanted to
go just a dollar, yep,you just get to come hang out in
the discord um and that on itsown, I think is worth the price.
Yes, and Rob Williams. Ifyou join, if you want to

(01:05:15):
feel old to help on that discord, you will. Well, yeah,
we've got I mean even I feelold someome we've got a pretty big rage.
We've got some gen Xers. We'vegot some like just just last week,
we had a one of our patronscome on to talk about game playing
MS doss Star Wars video games.Boomer like, yeah, he was like,
we were talking about playing like thex Wing games and he was playing

(01:05:36):
like as they were coming out.But but also for gen xers. I
gotta tell you, it's a greatresource because I have a have a teenage
daughter and I'm like, um mykids playing Animal Crossing And there's this raccoon
guy that came on and this isa big deal. And Dakota is like,
Oha, my god, that's ahuge deal. I'm like, oh,
okay, she's my daughter's in debtto this raccoon. I don't know

(01:05:59):
what's going on. I'm very yeahit is. We've we cover a wide
range, a wide age range.Um, so awesome, come hang out.
It's a lot of fun, alot of fun, Rob Williams,
We'll check it out. Obviously,you're not treating anywhere anytime soon. But
my Patreon has a pre pre prepre show where I'm just doing the dishes
before we start recording. Not intothat Generation Next Wee podcast wherever you find

(01:06:24):
podcasts. Um. We have alot of fun there with my co host
Jamie Steve three and a Neil Sharma. Um. Also I have the Outer
Room Room Out sorry Outer Room RookieShow, which is a YouTube show of
me building not only my knee andNun costume. And here's for those who
are online. There's my autograph Kneeand Nun by Mike Quinn and drew it

(01:06:46):
himself. That is awesomes It isvery cool. So I'm almost done that
costume. And also I do someother stuff about building the Scout Triber costume
and what we do at five Ofirst and soon to be rebel Legion.
So if you want to check,that's on our YouTube page at Generation Next
one YouTube outstanding. And I canadd Mike Quinn if you look over my
right shoulder if you're watching the lastYeam. I have the Zobiath as well.

(01:07:09):
I met him in Hamilton last acouple of years ago and super awesome,
fantastic any easyas he's done work withFranckel Rock. He's done again.
If you're gen X or he wasin this movie playing you know who?
Done there you go awesome, Soyou can want to find me. I'm
at Robert m mcast on Twitter andthe instagrams, and I don't snapchat or

(01:07:29):
I don't again, that's probably forthe best. Oh, yes you don't.
I'll be opening that door. It'slike, whoa, Rub's really got
a new social I can see himdoing a button, just dancing on TikTok.
That's all you need, absolutely souh until next time, gentlemen,
thank you so much, and uhwe'll see you next month on the roundtable.

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See you can take you