SWC+ Round Table with Robert Cast - Rogue One Retrospective

This month the on the SWC+ Round Table we finally tackle our Rogue One Retrospective. Rob is joined by Mike (Sandcrawler Star Wars Collecting Podcast), Carlos (Tumbling Saber Podcast) and Marc Godsiff to discuss one of our favourite Star Wars films.

Episode Transcript

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Live from the comfy confines of theFlannel Beaver Studios in Northern Ontario, Canada.
Comes to the SWC plus Roundtable.Welcome. Remember to get everybody once
again on the post upodcast or Iprefer moderator because we have a lot of
hosts today on this podcast. Today, we're gonna do the long waited Rogue

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one retrospective. This has been puton the back burner for far too long.
We're gonna go over Star Wars.It was their second release since the
Disney takeover. We're gonna hash overbut it's been a few years now.
We'll be able to talk about whatwe were feeling at the time and what
we're feeling now. But I don'tdo it alone. Fortunately, that would
be terrible. I'm gonna go aroundthe horn real quick. First from the

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Sam Crawler podcast. We have Mikewith us. Mike say Hi everybody,
Hi, everybody, how's it goingtoday? Welcome, Welcome? Are you
ready to talk to work one?I hear you like this movie? Oh
oh, just a little. Justto be going. This is four hours
today, right because see this Saturday, we do have stuff to do.
Although we're in Ontario here, we'rein quarantine. So we got nowhere to

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go, Yeah, exactly if wego, well, I gotta I gotta
work on Monday, but I thinkI can get everything I want to say
between Saturday morning and Monday morning.So fantastic. I'm here for it.
Yeah, all right, continuing downdown the Okay, you're southern Ontario.
We're gonna skip over on the fouror one. We're gonna head a little
bit northeast. We're gonna head overto Montreal to our good buddy Carlos Candido

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from the Tumblings Tumbling Saber podcast representedonce again. Yes, sir, Carlos
is no stranger to the Roundtable andto the Roman Podcast. That's correct,
you actually jumped in. If youwant to hear myself and Carlos with a
little bit of a blue hue checkfor a little bit better adult not better,

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just adult humor. You can checkout the Roman podcast. I think
a few episodes two forty nine orsomething. He's on there. Check it
out. You won't be disappointed.And well, actually we'd be more proud
if you were disappointed. Yeah.Actually, there's even the Year in Review
podcast that you splice together, andI happened to bookend yes, I was

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at the beginning end, the endof all those clips, which was great
because I also subbed in during theholidays the previous year. Yeah, I
get well. When Roman was off, I didn't realize you're one of my
go to guys. I hey,Roman's taken a week off. You want
to jump in? And when Iput together the Year End Greatest Clip Show,
Volume five, it starts with Carlosand it ends with Carlos. So

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I mean that's the way things shouldbe. Come on, let's it should
be really absolutely all right. Andagain to close us out, joining us
once again, Mark, for someonethat's recovering, this has becoming a habit.
Welcome back to the roundtable, Markgots If. How you doing,
Mark, Thank you my friend.Yeah, I'm good. This is again

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another one of my addictions. That'syou will fault another wagon of top.
You spend a week in Florida withRob I can't. You're hoped on so
much? Yes, yes, Markgots If from the UK. Um now
he's going to be known as FloridaMan over. Yeah. Every newspaper headline

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if it starts google it kids,Yeah, if it starts to Florida man.
Not good. Not good. Actuallythere's another. Um we don't have
any Americans with us today, whichis rare and odd, but there's another
brand new resident of Florida. I'msure we'll hear what's from in the future.
We're not going there today. Let'ssay we did. Okay, okay,

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let's let's not yet. So again, we're going live today on Facebook
and again anybody that this is goingout as an audio podcast of course,
and I have to implore everybody.We release the SWC plus Roundtable on Talk
Star Wars. Still Rob Wade andI still get along very very well.
We're not getting divorced. But thispodcast has spun off on its own to

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its own seed. But Rob's beenawesome, so we're He's releasing this Roundtable
on the Talk Star Wars feed.So but that's not gonna last forever.
So I implore you look up SWCPlus Roundtable on your iTunes or your your
your Spotify or wherever you listen toyour podcasts and subscribe to this because then
in the future you won't be youwon't miss any future episodes. So there

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we go. That's our that's thehomework out of the way, gentlemen.
I guess Okay, Mike, youhe have a lot to sableut. This
movie, Rogue one, released intwenty sixteen. Twenty sixteen, yes,
or this is not trivia time.I'm just I was actually having your brain.
It's told there'd be no trivia ontoday's show. So so twenty sixteen,

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Rogue one. This is the firstnon saga movies if you don't count
the Clone Wars, which we're notcounting. Um So, Mike, well,
let's let's start off where we wereat that time. What were you
hoping for? We know what youloved it, So let's just start.
We're gonna go around the horn andjust say where what our frame of mind
was going into this movie. Well, I remember when we started, we

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saw that that mystery trailer at oneof the celebrations that quickly disappeared online.
And Mark, you were at thatpen warn't I think, Mike you're referring
to the one where they flew inand the death Star was on the horizon.
There's all that radio chat. Uhyeah, yeah, it was picked
a roll up and oh okay,right on, that was before the celebration

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I was at, So I didn'tsay that one. Oh oh okay,
anyway, So go ahead, Mike. Sorry about so they would write,
they would highlight in that trailer,um, uh you know the bits about
the have won their first victory andstolen the plans and blah blah blah.
And that got me pumped because it'slike, you guys are taking one sentence
of making a movie and uh,my, my my, um sort of

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my comfort zone, my callback whenit comes to Star Wars that isn't regular.
Star Wars is the old Marvel comicsseries, and I remember thinking,
this is what we would have gottenback in the day, back in the
seventies and the eighties. I knowthere's you know, there's books, there's
EU, there's all that stuff,but I'm not big on that. But
it just I'm like, oh,we're gonna get We're gonna get in between
and it's gonna be awesome. AndI mean, for me personally, the

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rebels is my favorite thing about StarWars. You know, put you know,
big air quotes in a big banner. That's what I love most about
Star Wars is is the fight.And then you know, beyond all the
all the um, what do Iwant to say, But beyond all the
messages and all that of what's behindthe rebel alliance and all that. It's
the focus of my collecting. Um, I have a giant rebel base dire

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am I and I just love it. I just love everything rebels. So
it's like, let me get thisstraight, You're gonna do a movie about
the rebels. So they had meat they had me at that, and
uh to me that they pulled itoff. It's it's I flip flop since
twenty sixteen because it's like, well, you can't not pick one of the
OT movies. Say is your favoriteStar Wars? Yeah you can. Um,

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well you're not supposed to, rightyou. I mean you have to.
You gotta pig you know. Idon't know follow those rules. I
do not follow those rules. Well, I've always had a new hope is
my as my favorite Star Wars ever? And and I'd have to say,
um, probably in the last yearand a half two years, it's it's
rug one is my favorite Star Warsmovie. It has everything I want from

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a Star Wars movie. So,um, fantastic, go ahead, No,
it's okay, good, No,no, no, I I was
gonna say, yeah, it's it'sgoing into it though, Um, how
where was your bar, Like,we just came off of The Forest Awakens,
which was held the raised the bara lot considering what we're Basically,

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this is what I look into whenI before Fantom Menace. Everybody was so
excited, They're like, can youimagine what George Lucas is going to be
able to do with today's technology Atthe time, we put the bar so
high there was no way it wasclear in it, like, didn't it
wouldn't matter if they didn't have chargeor didn't matter all the complaints about this
movie, there's no way you canclear that. I think going into Force
Awakens, everybody was like, oh, this is gonna be fantastic. But

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wait a second. We were bittenonce with Vano Nas. Let's go in
with low expectations. So it basicallyset up the scenario for well, that
was a great Star Wars movie,and we were expecting decent, you know.
So we came out of their feelingfantastic. So now we're going in
the Row one. We're got allthe Forest Awakens hype. Are you are

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Rebels fan? So or is that? What's that good enough for you?
Were you like okay, I'm good? Um, well, you know now
that you mentioned another that it cameit was the next movie following The Force
Awakens. I have uh, sortof a love hate relationship with the sequels
rum in that I was okay witheverything ending at Return of the Jedi.
Um. I love the movies there, you know, but that that story,

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I was like, okay, well, if you want to pick it
up forty years later. I didn'tneed to see legacy characters. I just
thought, let's let's see more StarWars forty years down the road. So
I had some disappointments with The ForceAwakens, So I think when this came
out, Yeah, it was alittle bit kind of arms crossed. All
right, let's see what you got. But I think I was holding on
to the fact that it's in anera. I wanted to see, um,

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well you ate at the start ofthe Rebellion yea, yeah, right,
rated the you know, rated thestart of the Rebellion as opposed to
um way after where I thought thestory was going to end. So it
was sort of and I think that'sthe whole like the Marvel comics, uh
comparison, I made it a coupleof minutes ago. Is it's like,

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this is gonna sandwich in between kindof what we know. So that's that's
what I was looking most forward to. I think, Yeah, I think
I was. I was a littlebit. Okay, well, let's just
see how it goes, because ForceAwakens did have some uh you know,
I had, I had some issues, all right, Carlos. Yeah,
we can always listen back to DumblingZaber and and I know I think you

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had. I wasn't on the showback then. No, I was.
I was. I was a contributorwith voicemails and uh, but didn't you
go to the dinner pre pre dinnerdidn't you pre game with the boys before
the movie? That? Yeah,that I did. And there was something
about a steak beat or something.I don't there's it's it's all a cloud
some about Corey and steak. AndI'm sure there is beer involved. There

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was definitely beer. There was aJames and Corey bet about Calamari. There
was thank you, Yeah, therewas. There was a ton. There
was a ton of like anterior stuffgoing on, which was which was cool.
No, it was. It wasmy first, um first of many
dinners with the with the boys beforebefore a Star Wars movie. It was

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really cool. I was excited.Um, Like Mike, I had some
some reservations because you know what,the prequels were visually visually stunning in some
parts and in others were clunky.The directing was terrible, um, and
the script could have used a lotmore, um, real directors and and

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real script writers. But UM,I think the storyline, the the arc
of the prequels was very good andand and we could see that now with
the love for the prequels is that, you know what, put all the
other crap aside, all that um, you know, the stuff that we
we look at like the candy,put that aside, and the main meat

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and potatoes of the prequels is greatstory telling. Um. And coming into
the sequel trilogy, I was kindof all in, like, yeah,
give me more Stars. I wantmore Star Wars. I don't care what
era it is, just like rightnow I'm into I'm actually listening to the
audiobook of Light of the Jedi UHfor the High Republic, and it's Star

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Wars man Like, yeah, okay, it doesn't have our our our known
uh characters that we we know andlove, but guess what, we'll get
to know them like that's that's thewhole point. So I was like,
Mike, same thing. I hadreservations. After the Force awakens visually blew
my mind. Uh some of thechoices. I was already not a fan

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of jj Abrams before that because ofLost and and and I was like,
how is he going to finish this? And he literally built in a cliffhanger
like I wanted to. I wishI could have punched him in the balls,
like and what he ended up doingwas tying future director's hands together.
And I think that was Disney's biggestmiscalculation, was not having one director director

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all three movies. M But that'sa that's a different story. So when
when we come to Rogue one,I was like, yeah, give it
to me, Like I want tosee that. Like it's just like when
you see the crawl for episode fourand they talk about, um, you
know, the battle, and thenin Leah's message to Obi Wan about serving

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her father in the Colone Wars,it's like, yeah, you're setting up
so much stuff that we don't seeright now, but it's it's before and
now we get to see that,and um, and I'm sure and I
kind of know why Rogue one isprobably your favorite now Mike is because it
actually butts up like smash cut rightinto episode four. So it's like it's
it's perfect and for me, itis my Like it floats in the top

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three of my Star Wars movies withEmpire and Revenge of the Sith yep Um,
but most days it's on the topof that list, and it's it's
rare that a month goes by withoutme watching this movie. And it's uh
for so many different reasons. Andthe directing and uh, there's a little
i've i've I've beat I beat thedrum about the score so many times that

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there's some parts, like some littlethemes that I really don't like, but
they're my favorite theme and all ofStar Wars or right at the top is
the master switch on the Battle ofCariff. So there's so many great things
and it's not John Williams like it'sblows my mind like so it's uh no,
I'm I'm I'm just happy to betalking about this. Uh, finally

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being able to sit down with withsome uh with some minded people, like
minded people and some good guys,and we were able to talk about this.
I'm really happy. Okay, Iget pass it to Mark. Now,
Mark, you are the recovering podcaster. Yes, now I'm going to
have to explain to our listeners somethingwell Mark. When Mark sees something on

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a trailer or reads it somewhere,we will theorize about something. Remember we
were thinking Jocasta New with the sequeltrailers and and and then the Bearish Valve
because remember we were doing them.We were doing on TSWs comics, so
we had all this back knowledge andbasically when we went into one of the

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sequel movies, we're thinking, orwent to Last Jedi, we're thinking,
oh, it's Jocasta New, andit's it's the it's the Jedi Archives,
and it's Luke's taken a Barish vow. We had to figure it out.
Except our thing is we'll hash outthis idea and then we're like, okay,
that's we can. And now everyprediction we make off that we're we're

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making it. We're basically making predictionsoff our what we think is a rock
solid prediction. You know. Imean, so we see something, make
that head cannon, and then nowwe develop the movie. You and I've
done that lots of time, soit's like, okay, that's when we're
watching, uh the se when welook at the trailer for I listened to

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your recovery podcast about The Force Awakensand you're talking about, Oh, that's
all the sea tattooing. That's obviouslythat. So basically we lay this groundwork
and then everything else after comes.Okay, Now the movies can and off
this off these certain plot points,and then we get into the movie and
it's like, oh wait, mybase blot point was wrong. So it
Domino's our entire theory throughout the wholemovie. So going into Rogue one,

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this is where I'm getting at withyou being the repover. I'm sure you're
going to cover it on your recoverypodcasting looking over what you guys were thinking
prior to Rogue one? What wereyou thinking prior to Rogue one? I
know you're gonna touch on this probablylike we're going into the movie. We'll
get your thoughts on it a littlea little bit, But this is just
like a preamble what we're what werewe expecting? Um? I was expecting

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there was there were few specifics Iwas expecting that didn't pan out. You
know that everything you just said abouttheorizing I built an entire podcast around that
concept of taking a crumb of informationand blowing it up into something that sometimes
paid off, sometimes didn't pay off. So I was expecting from Rogue One

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to know where it was going.Much like Kylis you mentioned the prequels.
The prequels, we knew where itwould start and where it would end because
that was already set in stone.When we went in the door for the
first screening with Rogue One, Iknew where it was going to end.
I had no idea I was goingto get there. I was expecting it
to be full of surprises. Ididn't expect it to be what it turned

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out to be for me, whichis the pinnacle of Disney Star Wars.
I think it's the very I wasgoing to joke when we started and say
that this movie blew, but Icouldn't even carry it off. To me,
it's the very apex of what Disneyof achieved, and it's just dropped
precipitously since. And that's only becausethis film is so high, so very,

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so very good. Everything about theexperience of it for me, not
just the movie itself, which Ithink is one of my favorites out of
the entire bunch probably Star Wars,Empire and Rogue, but everything that led
up to it. I was ayear into podcasting with Talk Star Wars.
I went to the celebration and sawthe trailers that didn't go public. I

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saw the panel. I saw thespoilers get dropped on that panel, which
we can talk about in a littlewhile. For me, the entire experience
of Rogue one is wrapped up,not just to film itself, but everything
we did on the run up toit, the expectations, the theorizing,
and everything that came at the backof it, the deconstructing it right up
to today, where I rewatched itlast night so we can discuss it today.

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It is the perfect Star Wars filmfor me in just about every way.
I was expecting to like it.I don't know that I expected to
love it, and I don't knowthat I expected it to knock me around
quite as much as it did withthe surprises and the way it builds on
the cannon of Star Wars as well. When you think that a wedging story,

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and like Mike said, you're tellinga story between the lines literally,
and I can I can recount somethingfrom the from celebration a little bit later
on about the opening crawl, butthey were literally jamming a story in between
the lines and then managed to buildan entire world in there, like a
microcosm for Star Wars. Quick questionif I jump in right here, mIRC

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when you sign when you watched ityesterday? Yes? Does it change for
you every time you watch it?Like do you do you? How do
you feel about the movie every timeyou want? Do you love it a
little bit more? Do you seethings that you didn't see previously? Like?
Yeah, to talk about that,Yeah, I do. That is
very much the case every time Igo to beyond a little bit different,

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I guess. And in this instance, it was a different version of the
film i'd seen because I hadn't reallyseen it in the glorious four K presentation
also yesterday, and that is justtasty beyond belief also too, just real
quick mark your experience because you workin the in the cinema industry, Yeah,

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you get to see these movies acouple of days before. Yeah,
even even us that see it likeas soon as it drops. So you're
you're usually by yourself or with acouple co workers, So you don't you
don't have the whole. Yeah,you don't have the whole premiere that get
out of the theater. Oh,there's a private message group with all of

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us that because we make sure wedon't spoil it, because we're all over
the world and all our friends arelike, okay, I've seen it,
and that's all you say, andyou don't drop anything. And we make
a separate group for people that haveto wait till Friday night or whatever.
So you're missing that the the evening. Oh and whatever our ritual is,

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whether it's whether it's datenate with thewife, whether it's beers with the boys
with Carlos, whether whatever you gotto do before a Star Wars movie to
get ready for it, yours isthe ritual. There is, just I'm
assuming it's not because it's worked foryou. You're like, oh, I
throw it on at work. Yeahit is. It is. It's like

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the rehearsals that I get to sitin on. So with Revenge of the
Sift was the first one when Iwas in the industry, I saw that
on my own completely, but thatwas thirty five minute of eight. And
then with Force Awakens there was threeof us, and with Rogue One there
was two of us, just myselfand my boss watching that movie, and

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he I don't think he'll want towatch a film with me again, because
it was sort of embarrassing. I'ma grown man and it got a little
bit messy. I'm so animated whenI'm watching a film for the first time,
and I think it's internal monologue,but it's certainly not because I'm having

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to scream over the audio in atheater. Andy Dufrain, Yeah, lots
of things like you know, youknow, we had one of the theories
about maybe don't remember. One ofthe theories I had about rogue one was
that when they I didn't know itwas going to be the crash on Eido,
but when they crashed on Edo,I thought they were going to need

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to they were going to scrap thatU wing and escape in the shotted idea.
That was my theory, and Ireached out to Jason Wardens, have
you heard anything about this? Doyou think this might happen? And and
he hadn't heard anything. He thoughtit was a great theory. So all
the way through when they when theycrashed the EU wing on Edo, I
was like saying out loud, thisis gonna be a shuttered idea, Yeah,

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this is going to happen, thisis gonna be a thing. And
of course it didn't, which iseven better because I like when my theories
don't play out, if I canbe surprised by something. But that's where
I I was gonna see. Yeah, it was. It was a roller
coaster walk from me. It wasterribly disappointed from a bass who had been
thought from ruined for him, verya very unique experience on I'm very lucky,

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excellent, Okay, we're gonna okay, Well myself going into it,
I'm not one of these Oh Ilove everything Star Wars makes. I just
take it as it comes. AndI'm just like, like Mike said,
I was Star Wars ended for mein nineteen eighty three after Jedi, you
know, and that was kind ofended it, and then anything else has

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been bonus for me. Everything hasbeen it's been cool, and I just
I it's Star Wars like pizza.It's like, can you have is there
a crappy pizza? No, it'sall decent. There's some awesome pizza,
like but you mean so, it'sjust I'll take it. And I was
the same way with the sequels Uhtrilogy it's like, maybe this wasn't for

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me, but there was a lotof fan service for me. You know.
I had my ups and downs withthe prequels. I was like,
well here, George looks like,well, yeah, you don't like it,
right, because it's for the kids. Well, I do enjoy the
prequels. I don't not dislike them. They're not my favorites, but it's
still Star Wars because I like theLaura, I like the universe. I

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like what hit these created. Ialso had some misgivings with I'm not going
to be an apologist because I alsohave misgivings. It's like, well,
yeah, you don't like it.A lot of people don't like it because
it's made for kids, and nowyou've got all these adults that are going
there to expecting like a kids movie. I'm like, yeah, but you
also had about half an hour fortyfive minutes of the movie. Is like
parliamentary procedures. You can't hang thatkid's banner on the player movies, especially

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the defense A minutes. You mean, like, yeah, I get it
if it was all Ewoks and Charger, but no, there is. It's
not just for kids. Mace Windowliterally decapitates a Mandalorian like and his son
pick up ahead. It's not justfor kids exactly. So so going in

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the Rogue one, I'm always I'mright there. And this is of course
this roundtable started. By then,our community is in full bloom, like
we're all now not only do wehave um our close friends, aren't the
ones, Oh oh you know,who's gonna see that opening night, that
rob guy down the road or youlike, It's like it's now we have

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somewhere to talk about it. Imean, and it's like the whole world
can hear my wonderful opinion about castanew and something about me. Look,
it's it's it's you for whatever reason. So when I went in the Rogue
one, I thought it was Iwas expecting, oh, this is cool,
because I know it's it's apparently rightbefore it's it's how we get the

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plans, Okay, I'm I'm onforward. I was expecting, oh,
you know what they're gonna do.They're gonna go row too about the boffins
and from a return of the Jedi. They're gonna do this. And I
had all as other I had.I had the next twenty years of Star
Wars mapped out for them. Istill do if you need it, you
know, in your phases one throughtwenty at least to get me to the
end of my lifetime. After thatyou can do whatever you want. So
you need you need to turn inyour Star Wars card there, because Rogue

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two was actually an empire. So, like I was expecting the whole Botham
story about how many lost their livesand all this others. How cool would
it have been if they had namedthat movie Rogue three instead, just to
have that rogue too in the middleAtlas, this missing Rogue. So for
me, I was just I wasjust happy and this is more Star Wars.

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And then also too, it hadthat look that I think Morse Awakens
tried. But like I think Mark, you pointed out how it took us,
you know, seeing the falcon flyingatmosphere, took us out of the
movie because as Star Wars ot projectedgeneration like, well, we've never seen
that before, so it just tookus out of our apocalypse now shot with

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the Tie Fighters, but this wasmore. We kind of got that with
Force Awakens, and it was shotthe uh, the Stormtroopers were a little
dirty, you mean, like itwas made like, like George, it
was more gritty. It was agritty Yeah, George Lucas is like,
no, everything in space isn't shinyand aluminum or sorry mark aluminium. It's

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it's it's all. It's not supposedto be polished. This is a smugglers
ship. It's supposed to be dirty, as supposed to be lying around.
The tone of it is absolutely perfect. Yeah, that's it. But you
mentioned, you mentioned the Force Awakensand you know the callbacks that it wanted
to have to the OT And Ithink that's the one big difference between that
in Rogue one is Force Awakens hadhad the resistance base, um well underground

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anyway in a in a looking likein an old jungle temple, right,
which to me was like we arewe on Yavin or aren't we on Yavin?
To me, the choice would havebeen give us a different look,
give us a different setting. Whenyou literally went to Yavin in Rogue one,
it was like that was my chewywere home. Most Yes, to
really confuse movies, Um, it'sthat's where they were before. That's where

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they should be because in two hoursthey're going to be there. When we
watch a new hope, and it'sthe callbacks in the sequel seemed a little
more ham fisted. Yes, ohyes, yeah. For example, the
chess table aboard the falcon in thatwas forced awakens right where and accidentally hits
the buttons, and it's like,well, you don't have to tell it.

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We get it, we know,we know what that table is.
You know, the whereas in Rogueone m Bailey until hees comes out of
the shadows or or or you knowwhat I mean. It was it just
it fits, it fit better.It was like, of course that should
be there. I'm looking over yourshoulder right now and I see sul Carrera
and he was. He was inthe Clone Wars. That was a great

(28:55):
easter egg for for fans and theExpanded Universe and the Clone Wars. But
it was isn't necessary. It wasn'tlike you didn't need to know. It
did exactly. But but nothing.Look, this is the thing like when
we talk about fans at anytime,you from nineteen eighty on, everything Star
Wars is fan service. They're servicingthe fans who enjoyed the first movie.

(29:17):
So I don't I don't get preciousabout Ponda Baba and doctor Evazon. I
loved seeing them there. It waslike, oh cool, cool, you
know why, because I'm an adultwho's mentally balanced, and I don't have
to get angry at something that Iwouldn't never written on that one well whatever
I mean in theory right legally,yeah, but so I don't get like

(29:42):
even the hollow chests, like Finnjust knocking it over and then it turning
on. It's like, oh cool. It kind of left off from where
they left off, and episode fourit's like, all right, awesome,
like it's it's not gonna ruin mynight. I'm not gonna the popcorn.
It's not gonna taste crappier now becauseI saw that, So like, I
have no The issues I have withit are the the with the sequels where

(30:07):
Rogue one does not suffer from thisat all, is that the dumb things
that they try to do, likethe start killer base and and that one
beam splitting off into six beams todestroy six planets in one shot. It's
really stupid. But like I knowwhat, I know what JJ tried to
do, and he wanted to makethe old Star Wars relevant and and and

(30:32):
and and kind of pay tribute toit, but there were better ways to
do it, and I think RogueOne is the epitome of the best ways
to do that type of stuff,right. Yeah. Also, it's noue
one meshes real well when I waswatching rewatching it last night, and it
meshes very well with Mangaloian. Sameuniverse look same ye right right, I

(30:53):
mean it's it's and so forth.It's less than ten years apart, right,
so it's like it's not It's notlike the universe is that much different,
whereas I understand the look of thePrequels versus the look of the ot
Yeah, Like it makes perfect sensebecause when you think about the Roman Empire,
you think about the shiny marble aroundthe coliseum, and then skip forward

(31:15):
six hundred years that place was stripped. It was the marble was they took
it and used it to build churches, and now everything looks like it's in
ruins. It's normal. Like,Yeah, people who complained about the look
of the Prequels don't understand history,Like, oh, why you're going back
in the past and everything's more technologicallyadvanced. Yeah, because that's what happens
when civilization and civilizations fall. That'swhat happens. Yeah, yeah, exactly

(31:41):
exactly. And then you look atthe sequel trilogy. How come it's not
as advanced as the prequels. Well, it takes a long time to rebuild
that because you don't know what whenwhen you get to the prequels, they've
been there for a thousand years.It took a thousand years to get to
that point. So now you're fortyyears ahead and it's like, why doesn't

(32:01):
it look the same? Well,I don't know, here's your imagination.
I don't know. I can't helpyou. Like if you need answers for
everything and you need blueprints for everything, follow Star Trek. That that's that's
science fiction. Yes you know wherewhere this is science fantasy? Yeah yeah,
it's so so you gotta take thegood with the bad and um but

(32:25):
but but if you're gonna if you'regonna judge the Disney era movies, I
mean this, like Mark said,this is the Pinnacle. This is such
such a good look. There werethings that we're jarring, like the no
Crawl and bam we're on a planetand it's like like that, yeah,
oh okay, but not all ofthem, Like we didn't get Mustafire like

(32:49):
we. I think it also hasthe advantage of um like, I also
love Solo a Star Wars story,so have have me back when that when
that time comes. Um, Ilove it very very much. But when
you watch Solo, you're you're kindof waiting to see what are they gonna
do with Han, what are theygonna do with Chewy? Because we know
these characters, whereas Rogue one,they're all brand new for the most part,

(33:09):
they're all brand new characters. Yeah, the main characters are all brand
new, whereas the characters we knowwere ancillary, like they're they're right,
they're there in the background, andthey explained why we don't see them in
the future. Yeah, boy right, the best way possible. Yeah,
well, you know it's loopholes,Corey Mark. And you're when you were

(33:29):
your opening comments, um uh andyou were mentioning um when you actually I
wasn't sure where you were going,And you first started where you were saying
in the Disney era, and Iwas hearing you first as uh, this
movie tanked because Disney, and thenI picked up what you were saying.
So, but what I was whatI was hearing there, Uh, they

(33:51):
killed off they killed off the heroes. At the end of the the good
guys died, and for that tohappen nobody. I'm sorry. I think
this movie is helped by that becausenobody saw a Disney movie since Old Yeller
where that was going to happen,you know, And it's when when we
watched it. So we watched itlast night. Uh, we got a

(34:13):
brand new TV at Christmas. Iwent from a forty inch to a fifty
five inch. This is the fortyinch. So we've been we've been making
our way through through the movie.So last night was Rogue one, and
my wife and my daughter will notwill not pay attention because it upsets them
so much that the whole crew diesand they're like, how how can this
be your favorite movie? And Ijust look at but look look what it

(34:36):
does. Look what happens five minutesafter this, Luke, two hours after
this, you know, they're settingup for Loop to save the galaxy and
dying to do that. So that'swhere I think it. Also, it's
just holy cow, did you guystake a chance? You made us fall
in love with this new crew ofcharacters and then you took them away,
and the end result at the endfor me is hope. It's that's that's

(35:00):
what started. We're happy about it, you know. Yeah, so it
just did it so well. Um, that's that's a great point. And
we're gonna go around the horn againhere and again. We're gonna try to
keep this under an hour. Butthis is these things, Booty. That's
why I try to cap them likefor for people. Yeah, I'm gonna
I'm gonna I'm gonna getna highlight acouple of things. Obviously, we all

(35:22):
really enjoy this movie. We're allin agreement. Knock Out on the Park,
great movie, We're all happy.Broke one, fantastic, My what
I love. I'm just my takeaways. I'm gonna let you guys go really
in depth. Obviously there's a fightscene at the end, Darth Vader.
One of you guys can make ameal out of that. I'm just gonna
say, I'm with you, thumbsup. That was always um. Actually

(35:44):
I ended up with the ife.Those watching the live stream, Vader come
get it. I got it,I got the plans speet you like that,
Eh, how do I get oneof those? After the show.
I don't want to let that threadgold on the live stream. Yeah,
it is actually because even even thisbart ear like, I know it's this
horrible podcast. Great, this isa data I'm actually holding up a data

(36:07):
jip and him it fits into myR two. That's right, it's a
data. It's it's basically the datathere they're passing along when Vader's attacking.
I got one anyway. Um,so, yeah, the Vader seemed awesome.
Killing off everybody awesome. And youknow why it's awesome because how many
times have we discussed on podcasts orheard rumblings on the internet or on Twitter

(36:28):
complaining how come we've never heard aboutCanaan before rebels? You mean, and
all the Jedda are dead and nowall there's a bunch of Jedi out there.
How come we've never heard about aSoca? This is perfect. They're
all dead. That's why we don'tsee gin Later dead, Soomer dead.
Yeah, I mean, everybody's dead, dead dead. Well and if I
can jump in, uh, theyintroduced Blue Squadron in the movie, and

(36:50):
we're like, how can we neversaw blue Squadron? Oh that's why we
can. We get introduced to thefirst Red five? There you go,
ye? And why why did thatseat? Why did Luke at Red five
because the seat was empty, Okay, exactly before you dead. Um,
I like, I like the It'sreally showed the grittiness of it. Right
at the beginning. This guy knewthat there was a pilot that defected,

(37:15):
and he knew he there was athere was a planet killer machine. He
knew oh right away. Oh mygod, Cassie knew. He was like,
oh, he can't follow me,so he kills him. It's Corey's
favorite mercy killing. Yeah, it'snot a mercy killing. It's it's a
fact that it wasn't like, oh, I'm gonna kill you because I'm worried

(37:35):
about what they're gonna do to you. I need to kill you because they
have to get out of here alive. Yeah, and they're going to get
the information that they yeah, yes, right, and because that stuff that
moral gray Yeah, yes, shovelthat one. Yeah, exactly. Like
if I went into the theater forthe first time with my arms cross,
going all right, all right,let's do this. As soon as that

(37:59):
happened, I was okay, keepgoing, I'm here for it now.
Was and every time I watch it, I I watch Cassian's face. Yeah,
and it's it's he takes the guyout, and he's got that sort
of half second of gotta hate myjob. He's often running you know,
were made. Yeah, he expressesthat to Gin as well, doesn't He

(38:22):
says, you know, we've alldone terrible things. He's like, I
did it yesterday. And also Igotta say this right off the top,
the CGI with Tarkan and uh,Carrie Fisher at the end. I watched
this with my oldest She might havebeen around what fourteen or fifteen at the
time. Anybody that doesn't know thatthat that actor Peter Peter Christian Cushing is

(38:47):
sorry, brave pretty Chrishing passed away, um and could not possibly be in
rogue one. Anybody that didn't knowhe was he was gone, didn't know
a CGI. My my wife washedit, Brom, my oldest wash it.
No, Brom, I knew ita way of course, and then
you once you know, it sticksout and then then then the CGI eats

(39:08):
at you. The same thing withCarrie Fisher at the end. Yeah,
you can pick out all the flawsyou want, but come on, that
was it was necessary. It wasawesome. Yeah. Yeah. Um.
During my second viewing at the movies, Um, one thing I wish they
had. I wish they were moretalking with Hayden Christensen, even if they
used them just for the bath totank just as profile. Can you imagine

(39:31):
just seeing him all scarred up,but knowing it was him. And if
the rumor came out that Hayden wasin the movie and we only saw him
for that split second and then theyput him in the costume for the fight
at the end, fantastic. Itwould have been great. It would have
been just that's but that's Other thanthat, those are some of my highlights

(39:52):
in the movie around the well andthe thing, the thing with the CGI
characters too. If it wasn't forthat, we all would not have flipped
out one hundred percent completely as wedid at the end of the Mandalorian this.
You know that that set us upfor for that major freak out.
Yeah, And to me, TarTarkan is such a part of the Death
Star story. Put him in,Yes, whatever it takes, get him

(40:13):
and they did. Ready Yeah.Yes. And also all the people complaining
I saw Memingable this year other day, all the people complaining about Star Wars
CGI did not see the Scorpion Kingin what two thousand and one, oh
my goodness, or the Mummy reservesthe Mummy too, Yeah, might Mummy
too? Yeah? So okay,round the horn, Mark, I toss

(40:34):
it to you first. Yes,again, we're not hitting this movie bite
by bite, the scene by seeingwhat are your takeaways, favorite parts?
We've seen the movie, You've seenit a million times. Are we gonna?
Are we gonna discount that Viteus sceneat the end, because every any
better than that. I'm letting oneof you, whoever takes it, there's

(40:55):
like it's it's like, that's thelast, don't that's the last? Going
on it? I will say KevinSmith once gave some advice to budding screenwriters
and said, you got to endbetter than you start. That's the That's
the reason that Vader scene is inthere, because that's the shot in the
arm you get after the the storyyou've just experienced and the way it ends

(41:16):
for the rogue crew, I thoughtthe only thing you can get at the
end was that they could have Theycould have when they when they get washed
over by the lake from the deskof last gin And and Gass, they
could have credited right right there rawcredits. Yeah, but I thought that
exact same thought this morning, Mark, Sorry, go ahead. I will
say, um, there are toomany things to just to pick one really

(41:39):
without doing the rest of disservice.But I will say that the character development,
the character arcs in this film agreat No one's just a disposable character.
Even someone like Body has got aBodie. Rip has got a complete
arc from start to finish. Thatlittle lack of redemption that he goes through
the he's he's a real hero andit's a fact. That's Last night,

(42:00):
Carlos, you asked if there arethings that change every time I see it.
I particularly watched or just listen toRiz I met interviewed on a podcast
this week, and I really likedthe guy, and so I paid closer
attention to his story in my viewinglast night. And it's just such a
beautiful little it's it's fighting wait,this story of somebody that's petrified at the

(42:22):
start and compelled, much like Luke, compelled onto this little miniature hero's journey.
And you can see the courage ittakes for him and we get it
punctuated with comments from k twoso,you're a rebel now when he takes that
one step across the line, andthen what he has to do when he's
getting the communication set up on Scariff, and then what it costs him at

(42:44):
the end, and that moment ofrealization that this isn't the moment I pay
for everything I've done, but he'salready's redeemed. It's exquisite everything they do,
all these little characters. Everybody's gota miniature hero's journey. I love
that attention to detail because some ofthe other films that have come out under
the Disney banner, they've lacked thatattention to character development. And that is

(43:09):
what Star Wars is. For meas an adult, it was and if
if I could touch, if Icould touch on on that point, what
it does is and and I thinkJJ did it a little bit with the
Stormtroopers walking down a hallway and thenstopping and turning around when Kylo was losing
it. Yeah. Um, they'retrying to say that, like, not
everybody in the Empire is bad.It's a job for some of these people.

(43:32):
It's just it's a job and theyactually are people, like they're not
all evil like that. The guysat the top are evil like Tarkan and
and and chronic in this in thismovie and the The Emperor. Yeah,
they have these evil motives, butthey're recruiting people just to fill in spots

(43:52):
because they need a certain amount ofpeople. And um, we get that
a lot in the in the Disneyera of Star Wars, which is something
that we really kind of didn't getbefore. And I think it humanizes a
little bit the other side. Notto look, we all have to make

(44:12):
choices in life, right, butlike not not to justify the fact that
you're you're working for the bad guys, but like try You've got to understand,
like some people need to eat,like so again it's it's what you're
fed too. We get that alot with the Mandalorian. Remember one of
the last episode we had that oneguy was like, yeah, I was
on the desk star yeah. Andthen it's not like these guys which one

(44:36):
yeah yeah, yeah nice. There'sthis conversation that all these storm Troopers have
this tiny little water cooler chat aboutnew starships. These people don't view themselves
as a part of a huge warmachine. I think they're doing the nine
to five and so they can chatabout speeders and blasters and have these these

(44:57):
lights and terrorists I call themselves rebels. Yeah, right, Yeah. When
you think about George's you know,the themes when he was writing the movie
was about, you know, thedangers of you know, big government,
big business, that sort of thing. The side of it two is when
we're all part of it, whatdoes that mean? You know? How
do you rise above? You know, I the company I work for just

(45:20):
merged with another company and where theI don't know, the fourth largest automaker
on the planet. That's a littledeath story to me sometimes. But I'm
going to go in every day andbuild my you know, build my minivans
because I need a paycheck. Soyeah, but it's it's right, it's
one of the themes. It's whathappens when things get out of hand from
the government, that sort of thing. So yeah, absolutely, yeah,
I think it's I think it's agreat it's a great theme. Absolutely.

(45:44):
Um, Carlos, you're again We'reI'm saving Mike to the end because I'm
alway's gonna our three Carlos highlights.Again. We're not doing this bit by
bit. We're just we're just chattingabout a movie we love. So you're
your favorite parts? Uh man?Uh so tough, I would say,

(46:05):
k twoso. Just Alan Tutick's performanceis um, it's fantastic. I love
how he's quippy and sassy but notnot a press like um. Pretty much
the antithesis of C three po,which is which was great. Um.
I loved seeing Vader in the backto tank like and having him having that

(46:31):
conversation and and you know, puttingKrenick in his place in a way where
Crennick is really this bad guy.But I think we see the hierarchy of
of what real bad guys are whenwhen Vader appears to him, Um,
when that door opens and that hugeshadow is looming over him, it's it's

(46:52):
I mean, that's great filmmaking rightthere. And the dip is worth he's
waiting gold on this oh yeah,absolutely daggering. Then the little prick grins
after he gets strangled. Yeah,I love that he survived. He survived,
un he's got to. He wentup to the face of the base
and he came away from it.So yeah. He tweeted hashtag squad goals

(47:14):
after also too, he's he's prettypretty young to be a director, like
so of of like you see hisrank on his on his on his chest
there right he knows he didn't getthere solely on merit. He knows there
was a little bit of chokey,chokey above him on the ladder that got
him there a little quicker than heshould have probably, yeah, maybe,
yeah, yeah, yeah. SoI love Ben Mendelssohn in this in this

(47:38):
film. I think that he reallyhe's a character that you love to hate,
like you want him to fail,but you love watching him do it,
which is I think that's that's howyou write bad character like bad guys.
You have to you have to writethem that way. You have to
not want them to succeed, butwatch them do it. Whereas sometimes it's

(48:00):
like just bad guys, like oh, get him off, get him off
the screen. I don't. Idon't want to see him like you're you're
repulsed by some people because they're they'rethey failed in the balancing act right where
here there there was no failure inthat balancing act. When he's on the
when he's on the bridge at theCitadel Tower and and now all of a

(48:22):
sudden, all those explosives go off, and he's like, are you blind,
like employ the garrison, what areyou doing? Yeah? Exactly,
he's actually saying what the rest ofus think when we watch him with right
of course, don't what is going? Why are you taking so longer?
What? Yeah? So? AndI like I like that he's hands on

(48:43):
in that sense, whereas you getthe feeling that Tarkin would be like arms
crossed and just like pushing the chessboardsaround, and he's he's a little bit
more hands on with that. Um, some of that with the with Jeddah
City when um, when Mendo Clinicreally wants to go full tilt and blow

(49:05):
everything, it's mid the rains andtalking's like it's just downs or sending a
message, not a manifesto. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, so I
know it's it's there's so much aboutthat that I that I that I truly
enjoy. I think that I wasgoing to call her Kia, but I
mean jennersal Um, there's I likethe actress. Um. There are some

(49:30):
parts that are a little clunky inher performance that maybe I think that that
the Kura character did better also tonot to be that guy. But when
she was in that imperial uniform atthe end and her eyes are peeking out
through the helmet, how adorable wasno? No, she's no, no,

(49:50):
no, no, no, you'reright there there there is there is
this this magnetode like this magnetic yesthing about about the person send the actor.
Um, And I think that's youknow, whatever it is, what
it is. I mean, it'sdefinitely not the worst Star Wars performance um
ever, you know. And butbut I love the highlight of the movie

(50:14):
for me is the Battle of Scariffin conjunction with the space battle as well,
because like this is a real spacebattle, like as opposed to okay,
we're attacking the best star and wesee just three you see three X
wings and a Y wing like andthen that's it. And yeah, we
got a lot of that space,especially in episode three where we see at

(50:34):
the beginning of the movie, likeObi Wan and Anakin going towards grievous ship.
Um. That space battle is it'sgreat, it's grand it's it's when
you think of course not as beinga city, a planet city, just
the grandeur of that. And andthen to have that battle with this like

(50:57):
upscaled visuals and and but also tellingthe story from different different perspectives and also
do not not to be I know, it's Star Wars, but a slight
little bit of realism. They go, they go to hyperspace, they go
to jump out at the end andthe stars Vader and the star stories show
up and they hit them like it'sinto it. What happened? People back

(51:19):
into people in the parking lots allthe time, exactly, exactly exactly.
Let us remind you how big aStar Destroyer is yea, yeah, when
you've already seen them, teeny tinynext to the death stop the sky.
This is why you get garthed usto do something. All this that gods
into the mouth stays the sky screenis right and it's great too. It's
Vader's tie fighter. I'm sorry Vaderstar Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

(51:45):
well just just what quickly? Whatone last thing? The one that there
are some things that I didn't likewhen you when you hear the Monclamar's voice,
we're receiving a message from Scariff.There's something so cheesy about some of
these voices. It reminded me ofDaniel, like a little bulba why like

(52:05):
why are you doing that voice?And who? Okayed it like see you
at Angel? Yeah that was better. That was better than the thing us
anything he says, playing to thecheap seats. Yeah, no, but
it's sometimes it's the voice, thevoice choices of the actors where like what

(52:28):
like just get it's almost like it'sit's out of context too. It's my
number one for that. In myfavorite Star Wars movie, Empire strikes back,
Well then I'll see you in Hell. Yeah, and he takes off
on the ton top. Why wouldyou say I'll see you in hell?
What? It just it hits theear wrong every time, and that's my

(52:50):
favorite. We're missing we're missing thecut scenes of the rebels after he does
that, going he's such a dicksomething all right, to the control room
Mike final word, oh boy,and the doughnuts still sitting right there in
the middle table being very polite Vaders. Uh yeah, the Vader scene.

(53:12):
I guess it's all right. Igot the Uh. I got the Tana
Vie character this week quarter this weekfrom Nasbro. So I've been playing with
that. It's a dream come true. Is the better because of the of
the matchup and the similarities with thewith the Lucyne at the Mandalorian. Now,
Uh, you know what, Inever I had to I had to

(53:32):
read that to even catch that.To be honest, that went completely over
my head. It gives it.I think when I rewatched it last night
or this morning, there I was. I was the Vader scene was like,
oh, just a little bit moretastier. I don't know how they
did it, but yeah, yeah, well yeah, I think for different
reasons. We were talking before abouthow you know, they could have they
could have cut to the credits afterJinn and cassiean yeah, and you're given

(53:53):
the Vader scene. And the greatthing is is like, could you feel
any lower than Gin and Cassie anddying and then the Vader scene, which
is the most brutal thing through thiswhole movie. I think you actually feel
euphoric because it's it's that holy crapmoment he's doing it. You know,

(54:15):
it's that thing and and he youknow. But then you hit another peak
where the EU four horror is replacedwith U four cope with the Princess Leia
scene. So no, I thinkit's I think it's necessary. I think
they pulled it off. I thinkit's it's it's amazing. I love it
and fan service. I'm a fan. Go ahead, give me what yeah,

(54:37):
exactly from the theater please, Butas far as final thoughts, like
I said, I'm I'm I'm arebel guy. I'm a rebel bass guy.
I love X Wings, I loveWhy Wings. I may have too
much of a crush on Angus McInnis. Um, but I just Gin and

(54:59):
Cassie and are like, I can'tpick a favorite. Um. I love
them both. I love what theydo together. I love I love how
they didn't have love scenes yet yetI hate it that they didn't have love
scenes. It's just I loved whatthey both brought to the movie. Um,
Like a lot of guys, especiallyin the Commonwealth, you guys watch

(55:19):
a lot of movies, so alot of the times, you know these
actors going into it, I hadnever seen um uh Diego Luna. I've
never seen Felicity Jones in a moviebefore, so this was the first time.
And I just love what they bothbrought to They just brought such heart,
you know. Um and and Ithink also with both of them,

(55:40):
maybe maybe Gin even just her costume. Her look, her look was Star
Wars. It was cool Star Wars, but it wasn't Uh. It wasn't
a white dress, it wasn't awhite shirt and a black vest. It
wasn't an orange flight suit. Itwas something different, and it was with
everything with it, Yeah, differentout every five So I just I remember

(56:00):
so we were saying, where wereyou when Rogue one came out? We
had we had started the sand Crawlerback in September of twenty sixteen, so
Rogue one was our first experience asuh contes podcast Yeah to it, yeah,
to to experience Star Wars sort ofonline. And um, I remember

(56:20):
as saying, I think it wasour our our after show right after the
movie was on that I'm like,I don't know if I can get it,
but I would like to. Causeplays ginneror so I just thought her
character was so cool. You know, we'll have to let out the shirt
a little bit, but I'm gonnahave Yeah. Yeah, well let's let's
beat Yeah. But no, it'sjust it's it's a movie that as as
sad as you can interpret the endingas it gives me such hope. It's

(56:44):
the movie that makes me feel thebest one. It's it's the Star Wars
movie that makes me feel the bestafter I'm watching it, even more than
a new hope. Oh wow.Nice. It's uh, I just they
just you know, Mark, yousaid it. They just pretty much nailed
it on every on every front.There's something musical about the timing colors.
I don't know whether you would agreethat the beats that it takes between the

(57:07):
slaughter in that corridor and then gettingthe going down that Tangi corridor, down
that white corridor to Layer with thatwith that alarm that clacks and just sounded
in the background, there's something aboutthe measure of that scene that plays out
that's just sort of bringing you rightto that point when they when Layer turns

(57:28):
around. Even if she hadn't turnedaround, that had been fine for me.
I got it completely what they weretrying to to But there's something so
beautifully timed about that. It's perfect. Well, I see it's again.
It's one of those movies there's beatsto it. I remember I was watching
my second viewing. I went outto Mattnee on a Saturday or something,
and there is a woman in thiscouple in front of me, and there
were big fans and this is theirfirst viewing of it, and they finally

(57:51):
got there and then oh, shesaid, oh, I got a pee.
And it was right before the moostafar. I'm like, go now,
but I've been saying I'm like,oh, no, oh, no,
she came back and like what didI miss something? God? Everything,
like like when she came back,I didn't hear the conversation because I was

(58:14):
watching the movie, but I'm sureher husband were like, yeah, Vader
came to the how Okasher, No, no he missed it. He was
in a back to thank you youYeah, exactly, so excellent. Um,
gentlemen, again, this is notone of those beat for beat.
Let's rip it apart. I thinkbecause we were doing the Roundtable at the
time. If you want check out, I took all the Roundtable episodes put

(58:37):
them on the s W plus Roundtablestream. So the Talk Star Wars stream
is great because they have them aswell. But you don't have to filter
through all the in between Talk StarWars episodes. You don't have to go
through all the fluff to get tothe goods you can find. You can
find I'm joking, by the way, you can find all Roundtable episodes.

(59:00):
So I'm sure there's a Rogue onereaction episode of us coming out of the
theater podcasting that weekend. I'm surethat the audio is horrible. There's a
lot of things. But but ifyou want if you want to tell you
what you're really fine, Sorry Robto keep cutting your other And there's an
interview I did with Rob Wide andAnthony Bresnikan We're immediately after m Rogue came

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out. We sat down with Anthony. He dedicated a couple of hours to
us to chat about this movie,and that was a really nice insight into
what goes on behind the movie.Picking his brain, so that will be
a good one to hunt out aswell. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah,
So again, gentlemen, thank youso much. It's so great talking about
these So I guess the last Jediis next, So I'm busy that day.

(59:52):
I'm so sorry I can't make it. Yes, so we're glad to
be back. We're doing again,not every round Table episode that wasn't,
but we do love to squeeze inthese retrospectives and it's great slow news news
months. It's nice to slip.These ins are gonna go around the horn
to everybody where you. People wantto get ahold of you, where you're
from, or what you whatever youwant to or your socials, whatever you

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got going on. This is yourtime to shine. Mark God sif Yes,
but he's got going on. Ifsomebody wanted to and you can find
me on Twitter at s W VintageToy on Twitter basically hooked on the plastic
crack. So everything I'm doing isthere. You can see where my money's

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going. Blind any anybody watching thelive stream if but look behind Mike,
nobody, Mike has no idea whatyou're talking about. Yeah, yeah,
exactly so so yeah, so Ibuy the odd figure, you know,
s W Vintage Toy, and uh, stay tuned for all the other good
stuff you got working on. Yeah, there's some stuff on the back,
stuff on the back burner, butwell we'll cross the Yeah. Um,

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Mike, where can the good peoplefind you and your in your show?
Well, you can find me onTwitter. I am at Mike Tarkin.
Um. I would rather though,you headed over to the san Crawler dot
net, which is the website ofthe podcast of the same name that I
do with my co host Dan GuardDan Lozatt Uh the sancrawler dot Net Fantastic

(01:01:22):
Carlos you can find on Montreal hangingabout you know, find me on Twitter
and Instagram at Sea Candidal Music orat the Funny Carlos. You can also
catch us um on the Tumbling SaberPodcast. We're on a mini hiatus right

(01:01:43):
now while Kyle gets his bearings withhis new uh, his new uh venture
UH. But we will be backand I'm looking forward to talking more UH
star Wars with Corey and Kyle overat the Tumbling Saber. You could check
us out at patreon dot com slashTumbling Saber if you want to become a

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patron a powerful friend. You gota lot of extra goodies with including um
AD, free shows and extra audiocontent, so go check that out.
Awesome and whenever you see Carlos onthe internet, swipe right, you will
not be disappantage. Yeah, I'duse a hashtagg, but I can't use
it on this show. You wantto find myself, but Carlos knows exactly

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what I'm talking about. You canfind me. I am at Robert mmcast
on Twitter and Instagram. I doa weekly show that if you want to
know about the hashtagg, I'll happilytell you on that. That's the Roman
Podcast. We're an adult broadcast andthat's every Wednesday, comes out three pm
Eastern every week. So check outtheir own podcast on any wherever you listen

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to your to your to your podcastingcontent. Also for this show, I
implore you, if you're listening tous on Talk Star Wars, take a
pop over, subscribe to us onApple or Spotify wherever you like on sw
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conversation. Also too, hashtag robsare two. R two has not been
out of the house in almost ayear now, but that's where I take
wherever I take art my RTD two. I'm an astromback builder. Wherever I
take him out into the public,I employed people if they take a selfie
with my R two or something.I used the hashtag robs are too,
so you can check that out usuallyon Instagram and Twitter or yeah, mostly

(01:03:37):
Instagram for hashtag robs are too,and you can see all the you know,
it's I'm basically building a little visualjournal of where he's been, except
he hasn't been anywhere in the lastyear, but you can still see him.
It's art. Yeah, that's right, he's on lockdown and uh yeah,
so that's it. So a gentlemanrogue one two thumbs up all around,

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so eight is correct. Um,that's still eight in our American and
friends, it doesn't matter metric group, imperial. So until next month,
gentlemen, for Mark and Mike andCarlos, I'm Rob, Thanks so much
and we'll see you next time onthe roundtable. Better