E068 - Talk with Teddy - David Askew - Paranormal Investigator

Paranormal Investigator Dave Askew joins Ted & Skeptic Kenny Biddle. They talk about everything about the paranormal

Episode Transcript

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Tired of the same old, sameold Finchecko Talk with Teddy. It's a
variety show, and each week thereare new guests and new topics. What
started because of the epidemic and socialdistancing is now casting shadows over other shows.
To Talk with Teddy Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday nights at eleven pm
Eastern Standard Time, only on wlfdB Radio Network. All right, guys,

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welcome everybody to another episode of Talkwith Teddy, and we're gonna have
a good night here. Um,I brought back. I'm buddy of mine,
mister Kenny Bettell. Hi Kenny,Hi, Kenny. Drink and I
know things. Oh well, atleast one part of that's true. I

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drink. I do know things.Shut shut oh oh all right, and
um hello Steve Barry. Um.Also, we have another good friend,
another good friend of mine, misterDavid is here with us. David askew
like excuse me, hello or Godbless you. But anyways, yes,

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he is joining us as well.And I invited him on one because he's
also a fellow paranormal investigator as wellas I don't know how long we've been
talking for a while, long whilesince January or something, right about six
months. Yeah, about six months, and we got to know each other
a little bit, and then I'mlike, hey, what are you doing
Tuesday? I don't have a showany to make a show. Hello Caramosa

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and hellot t Roy. Um.So yeah, so I figured, hey,
let's do this, let's uh,let's talk ghosts and stuff and um
a little bit, you know,let's see what happens and invite Kenny evenlong
why not? Why not? Ihaven't seen them? So I figured,
what the hell? I mean,it'd be fun. We saw each other
gettysburg as he says, Yes,I have pictures to prove it. I

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have video. Yeah, well Idon't have a picture of the sloppy,
rained down, super wet Kenny Biddlewho pugged me while I was nice and
dry in the car. I postedthat, did you did? I?

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I don't know if you're in ourvideo. Yeah, you made it into
one of our K and D Adventuresvideos. I did, so there,
stop bitching, Oh girl, damndamn. Tabitha Reynolds says, Hi,
David, Hi, Tabitha, that'sone of my co workers, ex co

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workers, ex co workers. Yep, that's cool. Um, but you'll
be going back to work soon.Roll yeah, but not with the same
company, thank god. All right, so let me take a look at
the watch party. Over here.I got Jim Jenkins. Over here,
I got Chanel Fletcher. So thereyou go, Kenny, there's another one,

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you know, miss Chanelle, RayPELAGRENI Pat and Mark Wallbank. That's
the first time I've heard that innamam there still my favorite person ever,
Tabitha says. So if you lookover to the right of your screen,
you should be able to see whatthey're posting. You should be able to

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somewhere in the comments. You mightbe on private chat. I would top.
Yeah, just click on comments andeverybody will come up. Perfect.
There there you go. So whatI before we go on, what are
you drinking? Mister Kenny Biddle,I am drinking? Oh crap. I
don't know the name, but it'srum. It's nice, it's good rum,

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and it's got a really cool bottle. It almost looks like a pirate
treasure, kind of like a likea Pirate of the Caribbean kind of coin
on the front. Okay, myfriend Dana from the New Jersey let's see
New Jersey Paranormal consulting or something.I forget their name. The peaches that
we met in Gettysburg, one ofthem Dana brought up for me. So

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it was a nice gift, avery good gift. And anyone that gives
me rum I love forever. SoI love Dana. Oh boy, So
there you go. What I'm drinking. That's cool. I'm actually drinking out
of a pineapple. Oh look atyou get an old Hawaiian ship. Yeah,

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and uh it's filled with ice water. Amateur. I'm older, remember
by what like two or three years. Yeah. Well, I'm gonna watch
my figure. That's what we willhave mirrors for. I'm drinking out of

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a beaver. Yeah he is,He's drinking out of a beaver. Nice
all right, mister Steve Barry,he says one fifty one rum no,
no, no, that's off.He says, um to make it make
your smoke. Oh my goodness.All right, So let's get on with

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the show. So David Um hasbeen nice enough to come on to fill
the spot for me, which wasawesome, And we have been talking on
and off all day and he actuallysaid us some photos and what we're gonna
do is we're gonna put the photosup um at certain times here, and
then we're gonna ask you in theaudience or in the watch parties, whatever

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you want to call it the chatrooms to give it your opinion of the
pictures. And and then of coursewe're gonna let Kenny make his observation as
well, you know, so hecan say whatever he wants. He normally
does not like I can stop him. Yeah, well you can't. You
do have the power to mute meand to kick me on the show.

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I do. But would I everdo that? You better not, because
I I know where you live.I will hunt you down. You don't
have a clue where I live.Maybe yet, moving on, moving on,

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moving on up, all right,So um, David, let's talk
about you a little bit. Soum, you got into the paranormal?
Um, how long ago? Well, it all kind of started when I
was a kid. M My mym my dad basically dumped my mom and

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my two brothers off at my grandmother'shouse and left. My mom did what
she could, and she bought anold trailer house, a little two bedroom
on bathroom house. And when Iwas a kid, that's the house that
we lived in. And I hadthe worst nightmares. I was seeing things,

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I was seeing shadows. Nobody believedme, and so I thought I
didn't know what to think. Actually, um, it got to the point
where I was having terrible nightmares,nightmares about my family being murdered, mutilated.
Um, me being shot and killedin the house. Terrible dreams.

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I was six or seven. Uscared the shit out of me, it
really did. I couldn't sleep atnight. I didn't like going to sleep.
I had to sleep in my mom'sroom. Um. And then when
my brother moved out, I actuallytook over that room, and the dreams
got worse. Mum. I wasbeing attacked. I was being strangled at

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night. And eventually that house,Thank god, Mom. This house was
built on the same property. Whenthey moved that trailer house out, my
brother and I moved. We wentinto it. They had moved it off
the property, kind of like ina ditch in the road, kind of
half and half. But okay,so I mean they moved it. My

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brother and I were there inside thehouse trying to get everything out, make
sure we had everything out, Andthe house is tilted like this. You
know, it's it's not level.One of the doors. If you were
to open it. It should flingopen, it shouldn't slam shut, And
it slam shut, and we hearda lady's scream. We ran out of
the house and we never went back. They finally took like two weeks for

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them to move the house off completelyoff the property. Since we have this
house, I've not had those typeof dreams. The attacks stopped, and
that all was in nineteen ninety four, So I kind of stayed away from
the paranormal until around two thousand andone when I started taking pictures with some

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friends, and that's one of thepictures that I had sent you. I
have always liked ghost stories, butwhen I took that picture, it really
kind of piqued my interest that maybethis is actually real. Maybe I was
actually seeing things right that nobody elsecould see in the house. Right.

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Um, well, you know,with first off, you're you're telling us
from the beginning that you had anexperience where your father just dumped your kids
off or drop you know, droppedyour brothers off and left. So that's
kind of a psychological thing at first. So even though you were young enough
and you didn't understand, or maybedidn't understand, there was still a lot
of traumatic stuff there. Um,But I'm not going to discount everything that

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you're hearing, you're seeing, becausewhat you're doing is as a as a
young age, when all of usare kids, we take in the stuff
and around us in the environment,and even if we're not literally paying attention,
some of that stuff can't affect us, you know what I mean.
And so I'm not I'm not hereto judge you in any way with what

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you're saying. I think it's asa child that's detrimental, that that's scarier
shit, you know, to beto have like night terrors every single night,
to have you know, seeing yourfamily killed and then you being killed
and all that stuff. I can'thelp though, because of being you know

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where I am in the field,you know. And I'm sure that you've
thought about this too when you doclients and stuff like that, that you
have to think about the mental signof this when it comes to the client.
So, um, it's a toughsituation there. Now that you're an
adult, what do you think aboutwhat you experienced as a kid. I

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think what I experienced is real.Several several years ago, my brother,
my older brother that also lived inthe house, had said that he hadn't
seen things as well, but notto the extent that what to what I
saw. But he did see theshadows. He did see a shadow,
like a dark shadow, like walkinginto the closet in his room. He

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would watch it walk through the walland into the kitchen and then basically directly
into my mom's room. And thensometimes on those nights, I'd be screaming
a few minutes later because I wouldsee it. So Um. He didn't
want to say anything. He didn'tsay anything really until just a couple of
years ago. That's that's still.I mean, when you take in an

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account everything that you've seen from beingin that that home and then hearing the
story, the story from your brother, um and stuff like that, you
really got to sit back and say, you know, I know I would.
I would say, Mom, wherethe hell did you? Why did
you bring us here? You know, it's like, uh, you know

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we lived in a haunted house,do you know that? Right? Man?
You know, I mean joking around, I'd be like, okay,
Mom, you know, um,but on a serious notice, like you
really gotta think, it's like whydid I go through this? Right?
You know? Not not saying thatin your mind as a child. Yes,
it's it's an experience as something thatyou witnessed into you. It was

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very real, so we can't discardthat at all. Um. What I'm
thinking is, Um, today it'slike being an adult. Do you ever
like try to sit back and thinkabout what you remembered from back then and
try to figure out what what happenedlike as a as an adult? Though?

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You know what I mean? Like, I know that you're feeling that
it was real and stuff, butyour a paranormal investigator now. Wouldn't do
you ever stop and think about whatyou went through as a kid to try
and figure that out? Um?I have a couple of times. As
far as the nightmares, I don'tknow where those would have come from because
I lived a very sheltered life whenI was a kid. It was brought

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up in church. My mom didn'twant she wouldn't let us watch certain things.
And this is also in the eightieslate eighties when we had like fourteen
stations, so it's not like wehad cable or anything. Um. You
know, hey, you were luckyat fourteen. I had three, So

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because you're oldest, Fuck, ohmy I had eight, ten and thirteen,
and then finally thirty one came around, so I had four. Eventually
we had three, six, ten, twelve, seventeen, twenty nine,

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and forty eight. That's what Igrew up. Wow. Yeah on the
dial. Yeah, the dial,I was the remote control. I was
too. Yep, get up,changed the pental. Then you had to
hit UHF. You had you hitUHF button and then change it again.
Ball shit, I mean I wehad two separate dials. Yeah, the
separate dials. You had to turnto one dial onto UHF right, and

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then go to the other dial andthen click cick click cick click click click,
there it is. We got it. Yep. Oh yeah, I
forgot about PBS as well, soyeah, I had like all right,
So anyways, as you were saying, sorry to interrupt, but you know,
so you have gone through some ofthat stuff and tried to research it

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since you became an adult. Imean, I know that's what I did
when certain things, like when wemoved into this house. I wanted to
know what was going on because Istill get things happening and I have no
explanation other than it's something while I'msleeping. It's something like i'my being imagining
it. But I'll tell you,when I feel somebody kicking that bed,

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it feels real real to me,right, you know, and it wakes
me right up out of sleep.And then I found out that I have
um RLS, I have restless lifesyndrome. So I found out that that
could be one of the problems.So actually I was asked to do a
sleep study to find out. Um, I don't know, but my RLS

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doesn't have anything to do with thebedroom door being knocked down or the wall
being either, so I don't know. True. So the house that my
mom bought at the time she paidit was an old used it was a
used trailer house. She basically didwhat she could single mom raising three boys.

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So yeah, it was a trailerhouse. It was a used trailer
house. It was an older home, had the ugly wood paneling in it
all over. Oh it was beautiful. Come on. So, um,
I noticed that. I really didtry to think that a lot of the

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the worst experiences happened as she wasripping up the carpet, as she was
painting, as she was putting downtile instead, you know, when she
was making all the changes to thehouse, things had the attacks came.
Then I had asthma as a kidas well, and I had to sleep

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in a recliner because my asthma wasso bad. But after Mom started redecorating
and she ripped the carpet up andeverything, I noticed that I would have
these scratch marks around my neck.And I told my brother that I was
being choked in my dreams. Andit was weird because the attacks actually started

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happening after Mom started doing the renovationson the house. So once that trailer
house was moved out, it seemedlike everything stopped. My asthma went away.
Of course, you can outgrow asthma, you know, from a kid
as you get older, but youknow, it just I really do think

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about some of those things from timeto time about some of the things that
I saw. Some of the dreamsthat I had. I still remember several
of them, um, and they'revery gruesome. And at six or seven
years old, those are the kindof dreams that I was having in that
house and that it was just itwas just terrifying to me. I know,

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like I used to have some reallystrange dreams. To shut up Kenny
and I had time because if Idon't but Anyways, No, I had
some really you know, kind offreaky scary dreams that I was a kid
too. In fact, I learnedat a young age how to control my
dreams. Um. I was alwaysinto the weird stuff, you know,

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and um shut up. But Iwas definitely like into the psychic stuff.
I was trying to find out aboutall the weird things in the world,
all the you know, because I'vehad I have had a lot of experiences,
and I just associated when I wasyounger that I had something to do

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was my brain, like my dreams, I was, I was creating this
stuff, okay, like I wasmanifesting this in my head, you know.
And so that's what I thought.And then, you know, as
I got older, I started takingpsychology in high school and then all that
stuff because I just wanted to knowmore. I mean, that's where I
sit today, as I just wantto know more. And um, whether

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you're a believer or skeptic, comefrom wherever in the world, and you
have a belief that is different frommine or yours or Kenny's, there is
still stuff in this world, evenwas science and everything else that we can't
explain. And I can tell youthis that an experience that you had as

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a child was real. It wasreal to you. It's going to feel
real to you, and we can'ttake that away from you. But to
have somebody believe that found like thestuff that's happened to me, it was
real for me, it's scared toliving shit out of me. But I
can't prove it, you know.So all we have is our own emotions

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on our own body, and allwe can do is try to do the
best we can and get past itand move on. So from this point
on, I'm taking that as yourHey, this is what I want.
This is why I want to goa little deeper in the paranormal. This
is why I want to start researchingmore. This is why I want to
start doing this stuff. That waskind of like the the motor to drive

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you to do this, right,right, right? Okay, all right,
so why don't we Uh, yes, I have comments waiting for you.
Stop telling your fucking stories, YesI do. So, I'm I'm
listening and I'm hearing some of thedetails that you're giving us, and just

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my observation. This is just myopinion, So take it or leave it,
you know whatever. I already warnedthem about Oh good, good.
So I'm hearing what you're we're saying, and you said you experienced this stuff,
these these horrible nightmares and stuff whenyou were like eight years old,
about six, okay, So fromthe other details you're telling me, we're

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talking about like thirty thirty plus yearsago, right, Okay. So one
of the main things that we needto address is that, UM, trying
to remember details of events from thirtyplus years ago is very difficult. UM.
You're you're going off of memories thatevery time you do remember them,
if you remember them, I mean, and there could be years in between

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this. We are re remembering themand restoring them, so you're not getting
an accurate representation of actually what happened. UM. It grows, it embellishes,
gaps are filled in over time.So what you believe that you experienced
may not and probably isn't what youactually experienced. UM. But we just

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grow over time, and we lookback and our memories get embellished and and
they grow. But some of thedetails that you mentioned really really stood out
to me because you said you hadyou had asthma UM, and that the
the the intensity I guess increased whenthere was renovations, and we're talking about

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an old trailer This is way beforesome of the more recent health codes that
we have now, So who knowwhat kind of materials that that trailer house
was made out of. So thereis a good chance and a more plausible
idea that you were probably allergic tosome of the ship that was being stirred
up when the renovations were coming.And this would this would fall into some

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of your dreams quote unquote dreams ofwhat happened where you you think you were
attacked, where you dreamed that youwere attacked. UM I have, UM,
I forget that's the actual term,but I have. Basically it's exercise
induced asthma. So like real quick, I mean, if I work out
really, really, really hard,I could collapse because my airway closes up.

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And it depends on what situation I'llmade, but regular asthma, like
my father has asthma, and I'veseen what happens to him. So if
you had an attack at night,that would very well be interpreted by a
six year old as an attack fromsomething weird. We also have the issues

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that when you dream, you onlyremember the last dream that you had.
Every night you actually dream you havelike five to seven or more dreams per
night because you're going into that curveof going into REM sleep and then coming
out and you cycle. It's morelike a sign wave while you're sleep because

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you're going into REM sleep five orsix times, and every time you go
into REM sleep, that's when youdream. So you're actually only remembering one
out of like five or six dreamsthat actually happened. And again we have
that issue that you're remembering from thirtyplus years ago, so we don't know
if the details are quite accurate.And I understand I'm not trying to be

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confrontational and say, you know,you've made up everything or embellished. I'm
not saying that at all. It'sjust very hard, especially dreams, because
they fade really quick when you wakeup unless you're paying attention and try to
remember them. Uh what else doI have written? He did have scratches
though, too, because there wasscratches on your throat, right, scratches.

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I mean, unfortunately that could alsobe self inflicted. It could be
Yeah, you know, if ifyou have a problem where you feel like
you're choking, because that's what asthmais. Yeah, your your airway closes
up. You could definitely come upand try to scratch because you're trying to
do it. Are you are youdoing that to me? Ted was on
here, I'm talking too much.I was trying not to interrupt. I'm

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sorry, And I didn't think.That's definitely something that to think about to
consider, because yeah, you couldhave done that because you thought you're dreaming
already, and if you're coming outof the dream state, your body starts
releasing muscle action, so it's allowingyou to move again, and you the
first thing you want to do whenyou're choking is grab your throat because it's

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like, oh God, and youmight have scratched it. I'm not saying
that's exactly what happened, but that'sthe possibility, but that that definitely could
have happened, especially you know,when you're coming out of a dream or
whatever. UM. Now the renovationsat the time, I wasn't allowed to
be in the house. UM Iwas actually next door because it's my grandmother's

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property. Basically, UM, Iwasn't allowed to stay in the house because
I might have been allergic to thepaint could have given me an asthma.
Tack the dust from ripping up thecarpet that kind of thing. Yeah yeah,
um, it would be the woodpaneling. Um but I could have

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been allergic to the paint that couldhave given me an asthma tack or the
old carpet that was in the house, right, you know, I get
it. But um no, Iwas actually staying next door at my grandmother's
house and I was there for acouple of about about a week. Um,
the the asthma attacks that I had, I never really had asthmat tacks

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as a kid. If I wasoutside playing, Um, I never really
was like a like I didn't runa lot or anything like that. I
was. I was always a chubbykid. So um. But if um,
it was usually a night and Iwas told that if I laid down,
it can constrict the airways, soit's best that I sleep in a

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recliner. And for several years Islept in a recliner like you know,
like this like so um, butthe recliner was in the living room and
I always I felt safer with thelights off. I felt like if I
was in the light, things couldsee me. And that's how I always

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felt my dreams too. If I'min the light, they can see me.
And that's that's that's what I alwaysremember about my dreams. Um.
If they could see me, theywould find me, they would they would
attack me. And that's that's thekind of dreams that I had. That's
interesting. And then it was onlyin the house. I mean only in

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that house. Um. And likeI said, you know it was a
used house too. We didn't knowwho what happened to the people prior to
us owning it. Hold On,Kenny, David, I just have to
tell you that Warren, your brother, is that hey, Warren, Okay,
so you had the dreams only whenyou're in the house. Yes,

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So the week that you spent atyour Grandmam's you didn't have the dreams dreams
Okay. So that again, andI know it's very easy for some people
to to invoke the supernatural aspects ofit, but I mean that to me,
that just strengthens the idea that youwere probably allergic to something. Even

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though if you weren't in the housewhen some of the renovations were done,
that doesn't mean you're not affected.Because it's still getting shit everywhere and how
it's done, you can still getit all over the place and on the
people that were inside, right,and then they come out and they interact
with you, and if your clotheswere still inside, they're going to get
covered with stuff. Yeah so,and there's the paint fumes and and everything

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else you know afterwards. Yeah so, but but once the house was moved,
everything stopped again. For me,that strengthened the idea that it was
the trailer, you know, likeonce that got away. Yeah, clear,
definitely not arguing that it wasn't atrailer, whether it was normal or

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it was definitely. Want to say, I appreciate that the conversation that we're
having too, too, because Imean I'm bringing up obviously, I'm bringing
up counterpoints and and we're having anice plate conversation, and I appreciate that.
Yeah, No, I mean itcould it could very well be.
You know, there's there's a lotof different Like you said, you know

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that the health who knows what wasin that house. I mean, I
know that the people that that thatbought it after us didn't keep it very
long because it actually was moved downthe street and all the way like like
twelve miles away. They sold itand moved it about four miles we know

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the people that actually lived in it, and um, um, some of
our stuff was still in there.According to I forgot how they found it.
Maybe the mom left some of herbills or something in there, some
personal information. And they eventually woundup talking to my mom and asked her
if they had added any issues.She said no, they didn't have any

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issues. She didn't have any issuesin the house, but her sons did.
Um. But like I said,once the house was gone, I
mean, this house is on thesame property. You know, there's always
that argument that the haunting is attachedto the location or the land. Again,
the trailer house, once it wasmoved, it all stopped. And

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so when you move, when youmoved into the new house that was built
on the same property, you didn'thave any problems. Okay, So that
would actually that would that would takeout the idea that it's attached to the
land, right right, Okay,So good a conversation like that, Yes,

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all right, So let me letme pop back here. We're gonna
hop off of Dave's conversation for asecond and go back to a couple of
the things that are being said inthe chat room. Um, and you
know how that goes Kenny. UhSo anyways, uh Chelsea, Uh Chelsea
and Porter Um says I had anexperienced as an adult. My brother was

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into black magic and summon demons.Uh. My neighbor now have our old
house and they said it's haunted.Uh the grandma gets scratched. Um,
I'm sorry about that. I Ihave problems. I know Kenny has problems

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from from from that statement only becauseUM, you know, it's tough to
it's tough to. Uh we heardemons way too much. I mean,
I just had this conversation last night. Um, everywhere your turn the demon,
specially with some TV shows, andfacts are facts, and without really

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knowing all of the story, thelocation and all that stuff, experiences our
experiences as well. I'm not takinganything away from that, but you kind
of have to think about all ofit as once, and your belief is
your belief, and I guess bottomline for me as I'm sorry that you
had to go through that, SoI just wouldn't blame it on your brother.

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We're also also I mean her thestatement there is my neighbors now have
our old house and they said it'shaunted the grandma, So you're not getting
firsthand accounts. You're getting secondhand atthe very least, so we know how
that goes. Unfortunately, I witnesstestimony sucks monkey butt, And I'm not

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trying to say anyone lies or anything. Don't, let's not go overboard,
but I'm just saying, I witnesstestimony sucks, and things get embellished again
if you don't remember something clearly,the gaps get filled in. We do
this automatically as humans. That's that'spsychology, one on one. UM.

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You fill in the gaps and makeassumptions. It's really easy to do,
and especially with a secondhand account,at least secondhand. It could be third
hand account. You know, wedon't know if it's coming from the grandmother
and the grandmother is telling um,like the daughter or the son, and
then son is telling this. Nowwe're getting it second and third hand,
so this is just an anecdote.Um, it's a cool story, but

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it's an anecdote and it doesn't countas evidence unfortunately. Yeah, that's why
I said to her, It's like, I'm sorry that you went through that
because we don't know the whole story, the whole situation, and she just
bring it up. You know herstory right, right, and almost saying
anything against her, and I meanit doesn't sound like anything happened to her

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or her family, right, andgrands get scratches, you know, I
mean, I will not hurt grandmoh, the grand mom, the grand
So it's different like they're not experiencinganything. It's the new people that bought
the house, right, that's fromthat. Okay, So moving on channel
Fletcher, I did see you overon the watch party. I did mention
your name, but you must havemissed me. Um. Chelsea also put

(34:22):
in here actually dreams or what yourbrain tries to understand as your spirit season
or as your spirit is see it, Probably it sees. I'm kind of
not sure what that means now,Oh, is seeing what your spirit is

(34:43):
seeing again, that's a belief,and I don't know if it's It depends
on whether it's I don't even knowfrom Eastern philosophy as in religion and then
Westernism, I'm not sure on someof that, um, but I do
know that what your belief is,as in what your religion, faith or

(35:05):
what you're Um. You're so diplomatic. I know I'm trying to be.
I'm always trying to be that waybecause I don't want to offend anybody.
But at the same time, it'slike I wanted to make sense, you
know what I mean, why youbring me on? Okay, fine,
yeah, I disagree with that.I disagree with with that that statement.

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UM right, it's it's not butyeah, you're not trying to understand what
your spirit sees. It's it's it'sbasically random firings. Um when you're sleeping,
there's no there's no pattern. Again, like you dream multiple times,
you only remember the last one,And I mean, you can't really go

(35:50):
off of that because now you're talkingabout five or six other dreams that you
have no clue what happened. Thatmeans my spirit's been saying all these people
in that house and it's just likeI, I don't know. I don't
want to see that. I mean, like, did in your dream?

(36:12):
Did you ever die? I've beenshot in my dream, That's the thing.
That's that's what I remember being shotat in my dream. I remember
being shot several times in the dreamsin that house. That's why I always
felt like I needed to be inthe dark, because if I'm in the
light, whatever it's in that housecould see me and what was that who

(36:32):
shot you? So in the dream, let's say let's say that I never
saw their face. They were inthe dark. But let's say, you
know, I've got a lamp overthere. Let's say I'm sitting over there
on my bed, but it's darkin here. If I couldn't see in

(36:52):
the room, but I'm next toa light. I always heard somebody say
there you are, Oh, thereyou are, and then I would hear
the boom. I would hear thebang, I'd hear the gunshot, and
I would feel it. I wouldjolt, I would wake up. Um,
that's when I'd have the asthma attackstoo. Was the nightmares that,
yeah, you know, but alwayshaving these kind of dreams at five,

(37:15):
six, seven, eight years oldwas overwhelming for me. Um. There
were several times where, like Isaid, I mean, it seemed a
little bit better because for several yearsin the house, I actually slept in
my mom's room, like actually slepton her floor next to her bed for
three years, and it wasn't itseemed like it wasn't as bad. Um.

(37:40):
I was brought up in Raisent Church. My whole life, my family
was was brought up like in theSouthern Baptist slash Pentecostal slash um different religions.
Basically, we were skipping. Wewere going around from different religions and
trying to kind of wherever we fitin. And my mom was definitely,

(38:06):
um, very very religious. Shehad her Bibles and everything, and I
felt safe in her room because theBibles were there and everything, and I
thought that maybe whatever it was wasn'table to really stay in there. But
then what sucked was if I hadto go take a piss and then of
the night, I had to walkdown the dark hallway and there's no bibles

(38:30):
in the hallway. Yeah, there'sno bibles in the hallway. There's no
bibles in the bathroom. There's nocrosses anywhere I could see them. And
when I'm like, I'm just gonnabe in this so um. But there
were times where I could literally Iremember um when she would like move her
room around and everything my my,where I would lay, I could see

(38:53):
out the doorway into the hallway andI'd see figures that see they look like
shadow people, like solid shadow people. But I don't think they were I
don't know, I just I justknow what I saw, but I know
I could see them in the dark, and that's what terrified me. I

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would scream bloody fucking murder. Everybodyin the house would wake up, but
nobody saw them except for my brother. Until years later he finally said,
I remember you had such terrible dreams, and he goes there and several times
where I saw shadows in the closetand they would walk through the wall.
And then I would see them inthe living room walking towards the kitchen and

(39:36):
they would walk through the wall.He says, I remember seeing that myself.
So and that wasn't until about justten years ago that he started mentioning
these things and he said, Iremember seeing those, So, I mean
it just so this is all stillin the what do you laughing at?

(39:59):
Bathroom? Reading has a whole andhappening in the trailer house, right,
yeah, all happened in that trailerhouse. So how big? How how
big is this trailer house? Imean not big, not big? I
mean my mom, like I said, she you know, my dad just
left us there, so she boughtwhat she could. And huge props to

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your mom, I mean for forstepping up and doing what needs to be
done. I mean, that's exactlythat's awesome. Um yeah, so awesome
props to your mom. So isthis where where was this trailer located?
Was? Were there other houses closeby? Were the road right here on

(40:45):
the property right actually right where I'msitting right now? Okay, yeah,
but he's asking, I think,is is your neighbor? Yeah? What's
around you? So what would beright next to me would be my grandmother's
house on the side, on theside there is um, um, there's
another house, but they're they're aways back. Um, it's out in
the country. Okay. Um,they're probably about maybe two hundred feet two

(41:10):
hundred and fifty feet away roughly.There's a lot of trees between us and
them. My grandmother's house is maybeabout one hundred feet away, and there's
no trees rolling between us. Trafficst Do you have a street right?
Okay? It's at that time asa dirt road. Okay. Um,
yeah, there was six houses totalon this property. I mean on this

(41:36):
road, whole road, there wassix houses. Um, so it was
there wasn't a lot of traffic atall. Um. The people that lived
all the way down the street there, they're they were old then so they're
really old now, Um our neighbors. Um they were quiet people. Um,
we're we're friends with them. Um, they're definitely much older now.

(42:02):
They're very quiet people. Nine o'clockas their bedtime, that kind of thing.
My grandparents lived next door. I'mjust I'm kind of thrown out ideas.
I'm trying to get a better pictureof the scene going on. Again,
I know, I'm not expecting muchbecause it's thirty plus years ago when

(42:25):
these things happen, So trying tofigure out trying to solve this mystery not
going to happen. It's it's notgoing to happen. It's too far gone
in order to get the details thatwe need. But I'm just trying to
get a paint a better picture ofthe scene so I understand better. I

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do feel it's interesting though, thathis brother did see the same thing that
he saw. It just a clarifiednot the brother that's in the chat room.
Because long story short, I actuallyjust found out about my other brother
a couple of years ago. Actuallyis a brother you didn't know about,

(43:05):
right we Um, we have thesame father, so same kind of story,
um and Um basically Warren, helives up in Canada, and um,
he met the whole family last year. Um I met him um prior
to that. And yeah, brotherfrom another mother. So he probably doesn't

(43:30):
that. He probably really doesn't evenknow about what I went through as a
kid in that mobile home. Um, because I don't think we've ever really
talked about this. But um,he knows, now, Yeah, he
knows now. So yeah, yeah, well you know, I I still

(43:52):
go back to the whole thing asa child because you know, no matter
what, what you went through terrifiedyou. It was an experience. It's
something that you're always going to carrywith you. It was real. Yeah,
you know. So no matter whatwe try to explain, who are
you talking to, I'm saying itto you like I'm not trying to take

(44:15):
away his experience. But no,I no, no, no, no,
I'm not. I'm not. Youkeep saying it was real. It
was real to him exactly. That'sa much better statement. It was real
to him because it was his perspectiveand his experienced. It doesn't necessarily mean
that it was real. What hejust say, duh, No, it's

(44:39):
my Philly accent coming through. Okayyo. I'm saying that the experience that
he had is from his perspective.That's what we're hearing from his perspective,
and what you were saying. Iwasn't saying it for your benefit, you
know, as pet peeving, petpeeve shoo, Mike. It was definitely

(45:02):
it was It was definitely real tome. Yes. All I was trying
to say was to bring it backto the people that are watching that maybe
tuning in it just caught it alittle bit of this is that you know,
it was an experience. It wassomething that was real to you.
Is that better it was real tohim? There you go off, Kenny.
Um, anyways, wait, wait, thank you. I've been looking

(45:27):
for that. Um, I'll seethis for you. Put it in a
box, all right, Thanks,Warren says he is learning a lot,
which is very cool. Hello,Eric Harrison, how are you? He
says, Hi, Teddy, HiKenny, and Hi David. Hello.
UM, I do want to sayhi Matt. I did waive it you
and I got yelled at for it. I would just want to make sure
that I do verbally say hello toyou, Matt, and I accepted your

(45:49):
friend request. Um Kyrie In,Becky Dibbleln Abraham, Mike clark Ian Griffin,
Gregory Meyers, thank you so muchfor joining us over on the watch
party as well. UM, welcometo talk with Teddy and w lf E
dB Radio. UM, we aretalking with UM David. Actually, you
know, we didn't even tell youDavid's from Texas. We didn't even mention

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that that where you where you liveand you're in the wonderful, huge ass
state of Texas. UM. Let'ssee Cheryl Sanders. Hello Cheryl. UM,
Cheryl does say it's true, It'strue. What do you say.

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I'm not I'm not denying it.I love it, all right, So
let's go up. Let's move on. UM. So you started getting more
into the paranoil, creating your ownUM, collecting your own stuff, you
know, your own devices, yourown gadgetry, as I like to say.
UM, and you started getting intothis, UM, starting investigating.

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So why don't you tell us acouple you know, like interesting things as
you were, you know, goingthrough that. I mean, did you
did you actually join any teams orstart a team or anything like that?
So originally, UM, I startedworking with a touring company here in Houston.
They did ghost tours. UM,so I thought whatever they needed an

(47:17):
extra tour guide and I needed themoney, so basically I joined them.
So, um, it sounds likeTeddy's Friday Night, but I basically I
started working with them, and thenI started noticing that while we were on
the tour, people were capturing,of course, orbs, and I'm like,

(47:39):
kid, it's just dust or whatever. You know, I'm not a
big ORB fan, but you'll seesome pictures tonight. I'll have to explain
those. I'm not an ORB fan. But then people would take pictures.
They would capture faces in the windowsand I'm like, it could be dust
and somebody could have drawn that.There could be a poster on the other
side of the window, but I'mlike, yeah, a cool picture or

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whatever. It started to I startedto have things happen to me on the
tour, so that's when I reallystarted. About twelve years ago, I
started getting involved in the paranormal again, and I started watching how they did
like house cleansings and so it's kindof like a tour company investigators and house

(48:23):
cleansing. So I was like,oh, I'll watch it. When it
started happen having things happened to meon the tour, and then I started
taking pictures I started getting more interestedagain in the paranormal. I've always liked
ghost stories, but kind of setoff with one of the people from the

(48:46):
tour company and when investigating and hadfun and some of the pictures that we
took, She's like, Okay,this is kind of interesting. You're capturing
mists, you're capturing orbs. Thisis how a lot of people say that
this is how the spirit energy manifestsitself on camera. Um that it could
be and it could be dust,it could be a bug. That's why

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again I say I'm not an ORBfan, but it kind of went from
there and over the course of thelast several years, I just kind of
bought cheap items camera, microphone,UM radio shack was going out of business,
so I bought some nice EVP recordersfor six bucks apiece. There you

(49:28):
go. And so, uh nowbasically this is my ghost hunting kits.
Yeah, I know, it's huge, like five durs and stuff. Kenny,
He's got as much stuff as you'redoing, but yours just sits in
a container and doesn't do anything.Actually, my stuff is at my suiting

(49:49):
to be open museum and I havea whole display case full. So but
most you didn't mention. Yeah,you did mention that I forgot that you
would do a museum. That's cool. So yeah, sorry, I didn't
mean to interrupt. Oh no,no, I mean that's that's basically it
I started. I started with allof this too, and been doing house

(50:13):
cleansings, investigate. I try tocapture as much evidence as they can to
find out what we're dealing with,if we're dealing with anything at all.
And a lot of times, youknow, you go only the investigation,
nothing happens, but I usually tellthem we'll give it, we'll do it
again. We'll wait a couple ofweeks, we'll do it again, just

(50:34):
in case, you know, makesure that they don't think that I think
that they're crazy. So I'll investigatethe house twice. If nothing, then
we'll just kind of leave it be. If but several times, usually on
the first investigation, I'll have enoughpersonal experiences that I'll definitely want to come
back and investigate. And then I'vegot some of the videos and pictures.

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But I've sent you so right right, Yeah, I I like the pictures
themselves. I mean, I'm notgonna you know, um for some of
you that are just tuning in.Um, David has sent me some pictures
that we're going to kind of review, and what we're gonna do is we're
gonna put them up for you guysto tell us what you think. Um,

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And pretty much that's it. Andbecause I've invited Kenny here to you
know, for fun, and Ihaven't seen them in a long time,
I sort of knew that he wasgonna get involved as well. Yeah,
he's gonna be a dick, butthat's okay, that's what I expect.
I try dick, I know,I know, but I already warned David
about you. So we're good.And you know, I've got a lot

(51:45):
of pictures too that they're just reallycool pictures. And then a lot of
them you can explain away. Alot of them I want, in particular
the game camera that I have.Yeah, I'm gonna bring do you want
me to bring that one up whilewe're fine? That's fine. You can't
go ahead and do that. That'sthe only picture that this thing ever took.
Oh, I gotta find it hereagain. That's the one with a

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girl. Right, he's gonna breakthe show, now shut up, here
we go. It was nice talkingto everybody. We're probably gonna be cut
off. I don't know if letme know if I need to share my

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screen, because I have them righthere on the folder. That one,
that one I didn't download, Soif you want to bring that one up,
you can. All right, Okay, So, um, he bought
a camera. Why don't you explainthat you bought this camera. It was

(52:50):
a piece of shit. I boughtit. This is the only picture it
ever took, and that's it.I never did anything afterwards. You said
it was a game cam. Yeah, it's one of the cameras. Here
we go. Can y'all see that? Yeah? Wait here it comes.
So if you look here, youcan see through her leg. If you

(53:13):
look over here, there's no shoe. I don't even know if it's actually
I don't even know if it's awoman or not, because somebody said it
looks like a woman. Then somebodysaid, oh, well, there was
a motorcyclist that was killed on theroad going to this cemetery years ago.
And I'm like, I don't think, I don't think ghost. We're sneakers,
but whatever. But like I said, if you look here, you
can see through her leg or hisleg, and then over here there's no

(53:36):
foot. So this is the onlypicture of this camera ever took. That's
it. That's all I'm saying.It stopped working after this. It could
be a malfunction, it could beoverexposed. It could be something walking,
someone walking. I first I thoughtit was Jennifer, but Jennifer wasn't with
us that night, so it wasn'tJennifer. Right. So, And the

(54:00):
first thing I said to you waslike, it looked like to me that
somebody's walking by, and it snappedthe photo as a person was walking away.
That's that's what it looks like tome. Yeah, you know,
And it does look like if you'relooking up at the top, it does
look like a motorcycle helmet. Umit maybe does, you know, I
don't know. Maybe this is Thisis the only picture September fifth, September

(54:28):
five, twenty fifteen. That's theonly picture of the damn thing ever took.
And that's it. It never tookanother photo. Yeah, that's crazy.
I love it that it had thetemperature in there though, that's cool,
right, So yeah, seventy fivedegrees. It had had the moon
phase on it as well downe atthe bottom. Oh yeah, look at
that. But yeah, that's oneof the reasons why I wanted to to
use it. But like I said, you know, it's just kind of

(54:51):
weird. If you look at theyou can't see through this leg, but
there's no foot, there's no shoehere. But then there you can see
through the leg and there's the shore. It showed the bones and the muscles.
I'd be really interested. That wouldbe creepy. Yeah, it would
be a little creepy, but itstill that's that's very cool. Um,
so you get let's let's see whatSo any of you that are in the

(55:14):
chat room, UM, give usyour take on this. We'd love to
know what you you think. Um. Carrie Anne said over here in the
watch party says she said backpack.Maybe I put that picture back up there
for a second. I don't thinkI saw a backpack. Um, it
could be it could have something.UM, let's take a look again.

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Do you have the original image?That's it? The original sin the original,
It hasn't been altered. Okay,So is this houses opened? Is
this opened in? You have aniMac right? Right? Okay? I
hate sorry, I don't know how, Um, I'm not sure of how

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IMAX work. But can you rightclick on that image? Yeah? What
comes up? Um? Do youneed like get info? Uh? Yeah
maybe that might that might work,okay, and then what do you need
to see it? Does it havean exposure time? Oh? Um?

(56:35):
Hey, let me see if Ican. I need what's called the XS
file okay? Um, so Ineed to see the the image file that
was saved when this picture was taken, and it's on it is that like
the histogram kind of Uh, thehistogram is part of it, but it
should say e x I f uhSo okay, more information name an extension

(57:07):
comments. That's why I have thequestion marks there. Okay, this is
all the information that I've got.Did so you renamed this? Yeah,
that's that's all I renamed it?That all right? That might be an
issue. Um, if you cansend me the if you don't mind,

(57:28):
it's it's totally up to you.If you want to say no, that's
fine. Um, if you sendme the issue the image, I can
look at the XP file okay fromfrom me? I mean, do you
want me to give my impression nowor do you want to wait a couple
of minutes? Oh no, Imean that's fine. You can do whatever
you want. UM, Like Isaid, this is one of those photos
that So one of the big issues, uh, is that game cams,

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trail cams, they are notorious forlong exposures. They're not made to take
good pictures. They are made tosee if there's wide wildlife in the area.
That's why, that's what they're designedto do. They're not good cameras,
UM by any means. So thisright, that image is a good

(58:13):
representation of a long exposure. UM. And the reason, like, there
is a foot there. The otherfoot is actually there, just very faint,
and that's because that's the leg thatwas in motion when this person walked
by. UM. What you're seeingif if you zoom in, can you
zoom in on the one leg,the good leg? So I want I

(58:37):
want to draw your attention to thecenter of that leg. You see how
more solid it is. It's stilltransparent, but it's more solid in the
middle. And on either side ofthat solid you can almost see a solid
line going through the middle right oneither side. It's much more transparent.
This is because it's in motion.This person is in motion and they're reflecting

(58:59):
the IR light. UM, there'sa lot of I R light going on
because you see the headstone is that'swashed out. It's over. But the
rest of this this person is inmotion. And what happened was they actually
like they had their leg legs likethis, okay, and the picture it

(59:19):
started taking a picture, but theperson was in motion. So what happened
was this leg planet and this legstarted going this way, and that's where
it got most of the image.But there's still some movement there as the
person was still moving forward. That'swhy you get the little the the more
transparency on either side of them.The what looks like a backpack, I

(59:42):
see what they're talking about. That'snot actually a backpack. That's the person's
elbow, yeah, on their otherarm that's behind them. They're basically,
let me see if I can matchthis up this this, yeah, this
way. So they're they're kind oflike this face the camera. So you
see the elbow in the back.That's what's causing it. And they're probably

(01:00:05):
wearing a light colored shirt because whenyou're dealing with this kind of image,
lighter colors will reflect more light,and that's just basic photography. If you
wear black, it absorbs the colorsand it would be more seethrough. If
you wear white that reflects all frequencies, all visible light frequencies including infrared,

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so you would see more bright Sothis is probably more of a white or
yellow, like a light pink,a light colored shirt that they're wearing,
and probably jeans, and then thehelmet is most likely just hair. And
then because they're still in motion,instead of getting ahead, you're getting an

(01:00:52):
elongated head because it's capturing a longerimage. If we look at the XTP
file, it'll tell you how longof an exposure it was, okay,
right, and that from that wecan tell, Okay, this was a
long exposure because typically if you takea regular camera and take a flash picture
at night, you usually get likeone or one sixtieth of a second exposure

(01:01:17):
time. And if it's any morethan that, and when I say more,
I mean it actually goes down.So if you have like one tenth
of a second, that's a longexposure and would cause this effect. Okay,
So I mean we can look atthat, like after the show,

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if I'll send you my email andthen you can email the original picture,
okay, and then we can takea look at that. Yeah, like
I said, that's the only pictureit ever took. That's it. It
just you're right, they are crappy. I'm always going back and forth with
big foot hunters because big foot huntersfucking love these cameras and they suck.

(01:01:58):
They're horrible. See, that's theonly reason why I there. There was
a this was taken in Georgia,and um, if you if you google
this, there's there was. Ionly lived one mile away from where this
happened. Um. Southern Airways Flighttwo forty two crashed in a little town
called Dallas, Georgia or New Hope, Georgia, and I knew nothing about

(01:02:22):
it. Um we moved there,and the cemetery the plane crash next to
the cemetery, and a lot ofthe people are actually buried in the cemetery.
But then there's a lot of peoplefrom the plane crash that died that
supposedly walk the cemetery. So I'mlike, what the hell. I'll also,
I'll just leave my camera out thereand see if it'll pick anything up.

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That's the whole reason why I boughta game camp, just to see
what I could catch. And um, because we all know investigating you sit
there for hours and hours and hoursand you probably won't catch anything, so
just leave the camera, sit ussomewhere and come back the next day to
um. Also, there was abattle that happened there. Um, the
Battle of New Hope happened there,so it's a very active area according to

(01:03:09):
a lot of people. So um, the plane crash, the battle,
a lot of shit happened there.So I thought I'll just leave my camera
there for a day or two soit would have picks up. That's the
only reason why I bought one.And I'll never find another one. I
mean from maybe you like just myadvice from from from just my experience,

(01:03:30):
but photography and everything else, gettingcamps suck. Don't use them. Um.
And I also don't like it.I don't like the fact that it's
something that you leave and you yougo away for a couple of days and
come back because there's no accountability.The only thing you're left with is one

(01:03:51):
data point, which is that thatpicture. And then you're like, I
don't know what it is, butI did. I had some a couple
of friends of mine let me borrowseveral models. I had three models that
I used, and I set themall up next to each other, and
I just spent a couple of dayswalking in front of them daylight, nighttime,

(01:04:12):
and like a slow walk. Ieven slowed down my walk and I
still got pictures like that in frontof them, and I was like,
wow, these are these are horrible? These ever? Um, but yeah,
they're they're only made for wildlife,you know, like let's see if
there's deer and stuff for a hundredsand stuff like that. So but cool,

(01:04:35):
I mean, good night, EricHarrison, Um, what's going back?
Yeah, that's cool, moving on, Um, so why don't we
throw some more pictures up? Youcan tell us where they're from and so
on and so forth them go fromthere, and said, okay, sound
good, all right, Um let'sI don't do you care what order there

(01:05:00):
in because I don't care. That'sfine, all right, So edical David.
So that's my first picture that reallykind of made me think that maybe
I actually did catch something. Thatwas the l House in Houston, Texas.
This was taken in two thousand andone. If you look at the

(01:05:23):
image, looks like there could possiblybe a female with wearing a dress there.
This is also back in the dayswhen digital cameras were like one megapixel,
and that was like the highest qualityyou could get, and you could
also spoke in the bar in thepub. So where had happened? Was?
My friend and I were there?We were They have the best hamburgers

(01:05:45):
at that place, so we alwaysate there. We're sitting at the table
in a salt or pepper shaker fellover and then started to roll off the
table, and my friend said,you'd better start taking pictures. So I
took pictures, and that's what Icaught. And I didn't actually see anything

(01:06:06):
until probably a couple of weeks later. There was an author who did Haunted
Places in Texas, and I basicallytook a picture along with another picture saying
that the Lhouse was closing because BordersBookstore bought that property of a This is
what we do in Houston. Webuy the property, we tear it down,
and we make room for a parkinglot. And that's exactly what they

(01:06:28):
did. So the building was builtin eighteen ninety five, they tore down
to make a parking lot, andthen less than a years later Borders went
bankrupt and no market burgers, butthey destroyed something that was built in eighteen
eighty five too, exactly that thatbuilding was three stories. I'll have to

(01:06:48):
find. I've got a picture ofwhat it looked like, um, and
I can send that to you herein a second. But yeah, that
I supposedly people think that that's theowner. She was Pentecostal woman, she
had her hair was pulled back,and she always wore a dress. I'd
like to do, David, I'dlike you actually to put that on your

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sheer screen and bring that up.Bring that image up, okay for me.
So it's a little bigger if youwouldn't mind, because I would actually
like to see it full screen.Okay, y'allat's see what the building looked
like as well. Sure if yougot a Harry, Yeah, I found
it. It is fourteen fifteen,all right, So let me bring up

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the original photos here. Um.So this is what the pice looked like
before they before they tore down.Wow. And this was from the book
Haunted Locations in Texas. So basicallywhat I did was I sent them this

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to them know that sorry, I'mgetting used to this screen showing. Okay,
it's all Teddy show. So sobasically let them know that, you
know, hey, don't post thisanymore because they're they're they're going to actually
close it down, so you know, just basically letting the author know.

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So the picture that I took priorto the one that you just showed is
image number fourteen on my This isimage number fourteen. So if you look
right here, almost looks like somethingpossibly I don't know, And again I

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try to keep it open mind.There's cigarette smoke everywhere, but if you
look right here, it looks likethere's something kind of rounded right here in
a way smoking. Yeah, thisis two thousand and one, So people
were able to smoke, and itwas a pub. It was an English
pub. People smoked. Um,it was a bar um and they had

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some damn good hamburgers. That's whatreally mattered. That's what really mattered,
because nobody else has been able tomake a bacon Swiss murder like this anyways.
Um, So that's image number fourteen. Um, if you look right
here, this is like the filenumber on my camera that I had,

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And that's the prior picture, rightand then image number fifteen was taken a
few moments later, and that isthis one here, and it's it's a
possibility to me, it looks likesomebody with a dress, but it's it's
also not a very clear picture.It's it's a one megapixel picture, which

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was probably some of the best qualityback in there are two thousand and two
thousand one, like one point fivemegapixels. Most of the cameras I had
were like one point three, right, so mine was equivalent to something like
that. I know, it wasat least one megapixel, and that was
like the best thing back then.Um, there's a poster on the wall.

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Right, there is a poster onthe wall. Okay, um,
let me bring up the image numberfourteen again. Ye can you kind of
see possibly like the face the shouldersright here, and then yeah, seeing

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the writing in the imagery on theposter right exactly right. And then if
we look at image number fourteen,taken just a few moments prior, this
is where the rounded part is here. Um, and then there's and again

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you know, I get it.It's an old photo because we're looking at
two thousand here, two thousand andone. Well, the main concern I
would have is that you're getting alot of lens flare, right, you
know, if you stop, wait, don't don't, don't take it out.
If you look above the left windowright there, right yeah, right

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there, But that is absolutely lensflare. Yeah, no doubt about it.
And and it concerns me that becauseyou it doesn't look like a flash
fired. Um because if you dependingon what camera were you using, yeah,
never mind photospart, but I don'tremember the model number. That's the

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only that's the only other digital camerathat I had as an HP doesn't because
if you go, if you isthere more to the autom of the picture.
Okay, So if you use theflash, the chairs there would be
illuminating, right, I would seethem. So there was no flash that
went on. So that also bringsup a concern about because there was no

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flash, it could have been alonger exposure, which gives you more light.
That's what it exposed. It obviouslyexposed for the interior because the windows
are overexposed and you can't see hardlyany detail except for the stuff that's right
up there. And then on theother like this angle looks a little different
than the other angle the next picture, and I'm seeing a reflection on the

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table, the second table away fromthe camera. Yeah, and again this
is like I was just randomly,It's not like I was It's not like
I really knew what I was doingat that time. This is two thousand
and one, right, I wasjust taking pictures because my friend said,
hey, you heard that right,And I was like, yeah, so
I just started taking pictures in thatare yeah, and that's it. And

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and I don't I don't want tocome across as like I'm trying to debunk
every fucking picture you No. No, no, I mean, like I
said, I'm always open for forIt's not photoshop. This is the original
file. Oh yeah, I don't. I don't think it's no he's looking
for criticism. He can and definitelysmoke. There's definitely lens flare. There's

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a flash reflecting. I mean there'sthere's light reflecting in on the lens.
Yeah, I mean you can seelike on the on the right side,
you can see that the mirror umthe oval mirror that's on the right actually
cast a light on the door there. You can see that Actually that door
is a stain. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's just how the door was.
That's a men's room. Wow.Well that explains it. Well,

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that was that's why David, That'swhy I asked you about the door was
because of what he just said.So yeah, yeah, I see I
see the I see the reflection here, but the door was actually stayed like
that. That is actually yeah,but yeah, those those very bright points

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of light coming in the doorway inthe window, they definitely concern me.
Plus that I'm trying to figure outwhere that reflection is on the table,
where that reflection is coming from.You see that one this in the middle,
in the middle of the table,that's in the middle there. Yep,
I see that too. There's aright, there could be an ashtray,
because again, there were a lotto smoke. What yeah, I

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think that's an Let me look atthe other photo real quick, I would
say it's an ashtray. Yeah,yeah, it right, yeah yeah,
because back then, this was beforethey banned smoking in the bars and restaurants
in busting, right, so youknow and and and smoke and everything.

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I get it too that that reallyscrews up your pictures as well. Oh
yeah, but yeah, I don'tknow. I you see kind of it
looks it looks like a woman tome, um, and it looks like
a dress. So I didn't seeit when I took the photo right away.
It was when they sent it backto me in an email. They

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circled the image and said, lookhere, look at this photo because they
said you might have taught something.Now, who who did you send this
too? If you don't know measking, let's see if I've got their
book, Hang on one second,okay, oh, and this I mean
I'm comparing both pictures. You haveto look at that poster that's hanging up

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and then take out the dark areasbecause that looks like writing and designs.
Yeah, and unfortunately that's that's addinglike detail to the to what looks like
a figure. I yeah, Ican kind of see that, I um,
because you know what what is thatcalled where you can see faces paradoli?

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Yeah? Yeah, and you knowI get it, like I said,
the smoke and everything. And alsothe pixelation. I mean you can
see right now just looking at it'shighly pixelated, so very the low quality
of the image, plus the thewhatever's on that poster because we can see
some words, but we can italso looks like a design or something that's
in the middle there. Um.And it that was only other photo too,

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Yeah, so that coming through that'sgiven you a lot of detail like
right in here. Yeah. Yeah. As far as the person I send
it to, i'd have to i'dhave to look and see that it was
somebody that wrote a book though,right, I mean that, Yeah,
they wrote several books about like hauntedhaunted locations in your state, and they

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go based on like the city,so like in Houston, this was listed
and so I basically just said,hey, you know they're tearing this down
after a certain date. So Itook a picture, took a couple of
pictures and send it to them.And it was about a week later when
they had wrote me back, theysaid, well, thank you for the
information. By the way, didyou see this, because I think you

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might have actually caught something. Soit was you know, I think there
might be something there. But thenagain, you know it the picture prior,
the picture prior had that rounded shapethat was closer towards the door.

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Again, you know, this wasthis was almost twenty years ago. So
it's one of the first pictures thatI took. And after I saw what
it looks like a woman, Ithought, maybe I maybe I caught something
here. Maybe I didn't. Idon't know, but let's see what Let's
see what we catch later on.Let's see what we can do, Let's

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see what we can find. Sothat's this is the picture that actually kind
of got me interested in getting backinto the paranormal. So no, that's
cool to me. I mean I'mnot a photo expert whatsoever. Um Kenny
definitely has more. Let's see.That's a good thing too, because I

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know, like the histogram shows alot of information in these photos, and
I mean I don't know how toread them, but I know it shows
like the the exposure, the contrast, it shows all kinds of information.
Right. The good thing about digitalcameras is it's it's imprinted. Once you
take that picture, it's there,and if you mess with it and you

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alter it, it's also there.So, like I said, those were
from two thousand and one. Yeah, no, I I think it's an
interesting photo. I was more curiouson what the person that wrote the book,
what their thoughts was on it,you know. So I don't know.
They just said to you, hey, you might have cost you might

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have actually caught something. Look atthis photo, and they they circled it.
And I'm sorry. I always Ialways say, if you have to
put a circle around it, it'snot a ghost. Well that sucks because
most of my pictures have circles justshowing you where to look. Now,

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this is this is the image thatthey actually had sent back to me.
Um. I guess they did atMicrosoft paint. I don't know, that's
what kind of what it looks like. Oh so I see you know that
that It just kind of draws yourattention to that section. And I'm like,
it kind of looks like a womanin a dress. So I was

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just like, m let me golook. And I didn't save the photo
or anything. It's not like Ioverwrote the photo. It's not like I
saved what they sent me. Um. But this is what they sent me
and it says image circled copy.So you know, this is that's what
they sent me back. And theysaid, look at this and check your

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files. Check your pictures. Youdidn't throw them away, did you?
And I said, no, havethem. She's like, you might have
caught something. So it's interesting,did did you do you have other photos
of that area? Um? Letme check real quick because I probably should
because that one. Comparing images isreally important. I mean every time I

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go, when I go out toinvestigate, I definitely have a different style
than than what was. It getscommon. But one of the main things
I do is that I take picturesat least one from every corner of every
room, um and including closets andbathrooms whatever. It's one picture wide angle.

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And then I also take three sixtypictures, which obviously weren't available twenty
years ago. But I also takepictures um from opposite walls, so opposite
corners, opposite walls, just toget an idea what's in there. Kay,
So this is m Age eighteen,and I'm looking for that poster that's
on the wall. Yeah. Sothe only other picture that I've got right

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now with that, because I onlyhave two, three, four or five
six, I have eleven pictures andthat's it. This is the only ones
that I cat. But then again, this was twenty years ago, understand
But no, that's that's the onlyones that I have. The only other
one that I would have is isimage number fourteen, um that we already

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saw, but you can still kindof see right again. It's like you
said, it's pixelated, right.If you send me those pictures, I
might I might be able to lightenand darken, or I might be able
to hance it a little bit sowe can see good. Yeah, I

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mean, I mean the only thingI can the only thing I can do,
I mean, I can add contrast, and right, you know,
that's that's the only thing that's that'sgreat, look at that because you can
see the poster on the wall muchbetter. Right. And then what I
would do later if if you're interested, you know, you can you can

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you know, wait until I haveto show and tell me to fuck off,
but you can you can save thislike this and then do the same
thing to the other photo and thencompare him side by side and see what
comes through. Um, Because thenat least you know what's on the poster,
and then you can try to mentallydelete that from the picture of the

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alleged ghost and say, all right, what a one? What am I
left with? Right? You know? After? Yeah? Um, I
mean, like I said, theonly thing that I the only the only
software I've got on my computer iswhat is called preview. Um. And
if I yeah, there you go. So I mean, if I add

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contrast, you still see. Wellsee, now now we run into the
issue of priming, because that's whatthey send it back to you and told
you, you know, you mighthave caught something. And now you have
this idea that it might be awoman but when we take out, when

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we increase the contrast like this,we see the lettering and we see that
it's not features of a face orhair. We see it's lettering on the
poster. So that takes away thatthe head and then the rest of this
is is probably lens flare um.Unfortunately, I mean, the only thing
I see is is more of adress. That's that's that's really the only

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thing. I mean. Some peoplesay, oh, I see a hat.
I see you know, she's she'sgot a witch's hat or she's got
a pipe or what I mean.People see different things, which is wow,
that's I mean, not on thispicture, but oh you mean like
in general. Okay, yeah,like in general, other people see things
that I don't see. But youknow, to me, it looks like
the faces here, shoulders here,her arms are here, torso and and

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everything else. And that's this isall I'm seeing, is like the section
right here. And unfortunately, Ithink I think we're going to see different
things because that we're already we're primedto see. Yeah, I'm seeing like
details, I'm seeing the the lowresolution of the image pixelating. I see
the wall in the background, umcoming through, so I'm seeing different details

(01:24:31):
like that coming through. But yeah, I mean that's well, you know
it's twenty years old too, soI mean exactly when you blow it up,
it gets it gets worse when itblows up. Yeah, because really
pixelated. Yeah, I remember thosedays. It's trying to be like,
oh, I got a digital camera, I can print eight by ten.

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No you can't, I can't.No, you can print out. I
got three to half by five ifyou're lucky. That's all right. So
while we got the second, I'mgonna do this real quick. UM.
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(01:25:15):
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Adventures Tours dot com. I didmy plug all right, so you all
right, So let's go to theother one where there's a circle. Um,

(01:25:57):
for Kenny, how do you seethat? Faith? Put my glasses
on. Come on, Kenny,there's a face right there where. Oh
lord, hang on, do Ineed to do it on my computer?
Let's see you can blow them up. I can't. They're just gonna be
still for me. But okay,hang on me. So now, my

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ex, my X, took thispicture. This was on a ghost tour.
So when so it's your ex.Yes, just clarify that. So
that's the camera flash. Now Idon't know anybody that takes a picture like
this, you know. So,um, that's the camera flash. And

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of course there's this face here.Um. Now I have to get the
other photos because we have about twelvedifferent pictures of this um right now on
my computer. I only have oneright. So at this point, like
prior, in so prior and after, was there anything that showed that image?

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So in the pictures, yes,we have about my X saw the
face and said look at this.We took a few more pictures, and
then shortly after that we didn't seethe face anymore. In the pictures,
talk about thirty pictures and these areon my ex's computer, and we are

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on speaking terms, but I don'tthink we're on sharing terms at the moment.
So what I really would like isto get about eight or ten photos
of this so we can show that. You know, it's not on the
actual window itself. But again,I was a nubie at this time.

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If you look at the face here, what I did was this was the
old they were talking about the OldSpring Bank. So apparently this was robbed
by Bonnie and Clyde an old TownSpring which is just north of Houston,
and it was robbed by Bonnie andClyde when it was the bank. So

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I have pictures of the vault,which doesn't show anything paranormal. Well,
it's so kind of cool to showwhat's the name of that place. It's
cool to steel Horse. But nowbecause of the location, it's it's actually
not in business anymore. But itis actually a bank. They then there

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was a bank, and then itwas a furniture store, and I don't
know what the hell it is now, but they do want people to go
back there and look at the bankand look at the vault. Back in
the day it was it probably hadabout I think they said about three thousand
dollars Wow, I'm from my otherphotos here, hang on as it's flipping

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out. Oh sorry, you knowI've got so many pictures here, didn't
you didn't? So what we didwas um. The owner said she's pretty
sure that it's Clyde from Bonnie andClyde, because she says she she always

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look at that. Her cameras atnight are always going off and everything.
So if we zoom in on theface, this is Bonnie and Clyde,
and to me, it looks likehe's got the same kind of smile in
a way. But again, peoplesee what I clearly see a face in
the in the in the window,but well, you know it, it

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does look like a face. Um. But my um first um reaction was
Indian. Now it's there's a lotof Native American. There's a lot of
Native American folklore about a curse onthe town. A lot of the original

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structures that were built on the propertyor on in this town have burned to
the have burned to the ground exceptfor four. That's one of the four.
As a matter of fact, weactually had one. It was a
restaurant. If I could show you, I don't think I have any pictures
of it. It's a saloon stylewhat they call it, like a New

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Orleans style saloon. You know,it's it's real narrow, but it's tall.
It's two stories. It's an allwooden structure built in the eighteen nineties,
and next to it was part ofthe restaurant. So the saloon and
the restaurant next to it was allone restaurant. The original building, I'm

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sorry, not the original building.The newer part of the building that was
built on the property actually burned tothe gun down and the original standing structure
that's made of all wood suffered nothingbut a little bit of smoke damage.
Wow. So people think that interesting, you know, because the spirits are
harboring inside that they're they're protecting,you know, their place that they that
they stay. Um, and alot of people believe that Clyde doesn't want

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to move on from the bank becausehe'd have to face his judgment. So
if he stays at the old bank. Wow. Interesting. Can you lighten
that picture? Lighten it? Yes, maybe lighten it and bring up the
contrast, like darken it like thata little bit. Yeah, there you

(01:31:39):
go. That is interesting. Soyeah, my unfortunately, I don't think
I could be as easy going withthis picture because it's it's literally hanging.
Um. You can see that there'sa wire coming off the the the the
left side of going right here.Yes, I think that's a part of

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the open sign, the open signscoming down in front. But it's that
wire I think is connecting to theface and it looks like a mask that
with like I mean, it's unfortunatelyjust looks like a mask that's hanging there.
Okay, I have to get togetherpictures. I have to get together
pictures. Pictures. We have severalWe have several of them. I just

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have to make sure my ex myex is usually keeps all these pictures.
So this is in Texas, Texas. It's an old town Spring. It'll
be old town Spring. Um,so old town Spring. It's a small,
small area, a lot of it'sa lot of little places, little

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houses, little shops, restaurants.Um. Okay, what I see here,
I'm gonna say this, I'm gonnastop you for a second because what
I see is with the open signthat like the outside, Yes, that
part there and where it comes downand it lights underneath the chin of this
so called spirit in question. Um, it looks like because I see open

(01:33:14):
signs a lot, and because they'reneon, that's what that is. You
can see where it says open,And usually what they do is they put
the light blue or blue um neonaround the outside to light it um to
light it up more, you knowwhat I mean. So I'm thinking that's
what that is, is the opensign itself. But the yes, But

(01:33:38):
the the image that we're talking about, the face, the mask or whatever
it is, um, I don'tknow. I mean, it could almost
be like it's a smudge on thewindow or something because of the way the
camera, Like was he straight on? I mean, this is the question,

(01:34:00):
was he straight onto the window whenhe took it or was it because
it actually his flash isn't so thatquestion is null voy because his flashes to
the left, well right right,depending on correct So right, okay,
So I'm going to assume that morepictures that were taken and are not going
to be in the same position thathe's in right now, right right,

(01:34:27):
so that smear or whatever that ismay not be there. And more photos.
Wait, I see what you're talkingabout about. How the open sign
comes down right here, yeah,and then how it curves underneath to create
the chin. I can see thatnow. Um, I'll have to get

(01:34:48):
the other photos. Yeah, becauseI would be interested to see side by
side comparison, even though he's notgoing to be in the same position when
he's taking the photo. I'm notdiscrediting or being you know any I'm just
looking at what I would look forphotos. I means yeah, yeah,

(01:35:09):
yeah, yeah. I'm not asharsh as somebody else we know, but
you know, I had to givehim a smile. He was working too
hard. I'm trying to look upphotos and I see that I do have
one photo, and unfortunately it's kindof a it's not the greatest photo.

(01:35:29):
Um, it's a daytime one,but it's it's showing. Let me see
if I can do this l boomboom where chromeown spring? Let me see
if I can do this one sharescreen. Come on, that's the right

(01:35:50):
screen. Oh, he's a faceright there. There's a mask right there.
There's something there. Yeah, i'dsee that now. And I'm trying
to compare because the only other picturethat I found was this one. Hey,
there's me right there, look atyou. There's also something there too,

(01:36:15):
but it looks like it's fell over. So I'm not sure what that
is. Let's part of a butyou're right there, so you're right about
that. Yes, So I'm tryingto determine what Kenny, this is.
Well, this is very it's alreadypicture it it's already think it's because it's

(01:36:39):
not a it's not a good picture. Um. But I'm trying to see
if I can find like a closurepicture. But there's really not. It
doesn't many people took pictures of thisplace. I can bring up, Um,
but that's that's still amazing that youknow, you found a picture that

(01:37:00):
had something there though, yeah,I mean it's it's I mean, that's
part of well, at least whatI do is try to compare pictures from
other people. Like you said,you have a bunch of pictures, but
they're on the x is, soyeah, that could cause a problem.

(01:37:21):
Um, but if it I mean, if you can see those pictures and
compare, if you're comparing like fourteensome pictures and it's in the same exact
place the whole time, then Starit's probably just an object in the window.
They're generally they're in the same area, but not in the same exact
spot. From what I remember.As a matter of fact, it looked
like it was moving in the pictures, but that's what I would have to

(01:37:45):
get. Yeah, and as faras I can see again, it's changed,
has changed, because now this iswhat it looks like on Google.
Oh yeah, right, you know, so obviously the sign has gone now,
but I have to get more pictures. Yeah, original structure that I

(01:38:08):
was telling you about about the restaurant, right is this one here. This
is the original structure here, andthis is the part that burned down.
Obviously you can tell, yeah,that's different. And then you can see
where there was a little bit ofdamage right here. But the actual um,
it actually just blew up a coupleof windows up here and that's it.

(01:38:30):
But the original standing structure here actuallywas practically untouched. It's beautiful though.
I love old building. You're likeold town Spring. It's it's definitely
a tourist attraction and it's supposed tobe one of the haunted almost haunted cities
or towns in Texas beside San Antonio. Okay, so let's move on.

(01:38:53):
Um let's see here. Here's yourhere's your mist your um Kenny, you
gotta love this one. I'm noteven looking Come on, oh, come,
on. Now. So Kenny doesn'tlike mists or orbs, right,

(01:39:14):
I'm not a fan. No,So you're not a fan of mists at
all either, No, okay,So why why not? Uh? Well,
most of the time, because theway people take the photos of miss
um, they're they're they think they'regetting taking precautions, but unfortunately most times
they don't. Um. And likefor instance, this picture, the the

(01:39:38):
out of focus nature of the mist, that it's much closer to the lens
than the uh, the gravestone,the headstone there in the in the foreground,
um. Okay. And that's tellingme it's right up against the lens.
Um. They're very close, andit's probably gonna be a frosty breath.

(01:40:00):
Um. And just for those thatthink, you know, like you
can't get frosty breath when it's likewarm out, yes you can. You
can. You can actually get frostybreath. That's that's visible to cameras up
to like sixty five degrees okay.Uh. And that has to do with
humidity and also ambient air and temperature. And then about that win in the

(01:40:24):
middle of the roads, in themiddle of the road, um. Actually,
because I heard the footsteps and whenI took a picture of that's what.
That's what okay. So um,with that, you have two different
experiences there, and it doesn't meanthat they correlate. You have two separate

(01:40:45):
experiences. If you heard footsteps,that doesn't mean that the footsteps cause this
smoke. Right, And again thissmoke also looks blurry. Um, so
it doesn't Unfortunately to make it's like, Okay, it may look like it's
in the middle of the road,but that's based on perspective. These orbs

(01:41:06):
are most likely dust particles that arewithin or so in front of the lens,
and can be said for that makesit even worse because now you see
it all, you can see itup on the right. Let me ask
you a question though. First,hold on, Kenny, Now did you
see this with your physical eyes tooor just through the camera. Okay,
so I heard footsteps. What ithad happened was so somebody called the police

(01:41:31):
on us because the only way youcan get to the cemetery is you drive
through a subdivision and all of asudden the road kind of ends and it
becomes this gravel road. So ifyou drive back there, people are like,
oh, they're up to no good. So they call the police.
Police officer was there with us,asked me where my team was and said,
well, technically they're further back inthose woods at the baptismal where this

(01:41:53):
old church burned down and they weretrying to get EVPs. So the cop
was standing next to me. Weheard footsteps. I turn out started to
taking pictures and that's what I caught. To me, I guess I can
kind of say what Kenny say,But to me, it looks like it's
in the middle of the road.It sounded like it was further away from

(01:42:14):
me when I took the picture,So that's why I say it's in the
middle of the road. So againwe're we have to separate those. Yeah,
but steps, that's one thing that'sauditory, that's not visual, so
we have to take that into account. And yeah, I mean this because
it's so illuminated. If you ifyou look across the road about halfway,

(01:42:36):
you can see how it drops off. The light drops off, it becomes
dark. Most of your flashes,especially if you're using like a compact camera,
the effective range of the flash isonly fifteen feet. That's not a
lot. And that's like effective rangedoesn't mean everything is the same intensity.
It means fifteen feet you barely haveanything. So for this to reflect light

(01:43:00):
the way it is, it hasto be much closer to the camera.
It wouldn't if this was in themiddle of the road where then it starts
getting dark, you would not seethis m And that's just that. Unfortunately,
that's just the way the camera andlight works. Um. There's just

(01:43:21):
not enough power to illuminate something thatfar away that much. Okay, solid
enough that that makes it sense.These are usually I think these are my
like my cell phone at the time, which was a motor role of cell
phone. Okay, UM, sothat that will probably even less. Oh
wow, jeez, that you're dealingwith it. I'm sorry you're talking the

(01:43:46):
different I don't even have any ofmy cameras here to demonstrate. But even
a compact you're talking about, you'retalking about a flash that's that's maybe like
a half inch three quarters inch wide. UM. When you're getting to a
cell phone. Now you're talking aboutsomething that's closer to an eighth of an
inch line, which is far lesspower. Um, And it's not going

(01:44:06):
to be an effective range that aa actual camera has. So now you're
getting down to maybe ten feet Okay, if that so, it's still a
really cool picture. Thank you,Teddy, Thank you Teddy, thank you
for being the neutral party. He'slike this, like' like fucking Kenny.

(01:44:33):
I mean ahead, but see,this is why I wanted Kenny here because
I wanted to show to you orhave you experienced that there are other sides
to all this stuff like that.You know what I mean, and I
know that you know, But atthe same time, it's like dealing with
somebody that's very skeptical like Kenny isis actually like I had said to you

(01:44:57):
on the phone, it's very goodfor the field. And a lot of
people look at Kenny as the badboy, the asshole of the field,
and I don't look at them thatway. I would prefer to have somebody
go through and look at everything thatI have and tear it apart and then
put it back together, you know, and tell me what they think,
only because it gives me another perspective. And in this field, and I
hate calling it a field because Idon't know what it really is, but

(01:45:20):
it's with all of us doing thisstuff, you need both sides of the
coin. And that's the way itis with everything, well you know it
also, plus we got a photoexpert here, you know, So I
mean, but some of the thingsthat that well, you know, I
mean, I'm not a photo expert, That's what I'm saying. I don't.

(01:45:43):
I don't sit there and go,Okay, this is exactly what this
is. Um. Like some ofmy pictures that I've got, I want
you to bring up the one Iwould like you to bring up the one
where you where you hear the noiseand you pointed and there was okay,
yeah, do you know what I'mtalking about? Yeah, because Kenny is
gonna love this photo. And Ithink it's just a funny photo. That's

(01:46:04):
what I would call it. Um. I don't think there's anything to it,
but I still think it's just afunny photo. And I just want
you to do it because it's Kenny'sjoining us. Oh my god, they
find it real quick. Tiny doesn'tget to torture Kenny very often. Oh
you don't torture me at all.Is the one where I'm pointing at it

(01:46:24):
in my mind? Did us?Yes? So okay, all right,
yes, that's the one you're pointingat it. But didn't you tell me
you heard something and then that's yeah, pretty much, that's that's what happened.
So um, let me find itreal quick, stopper rubbing it?
What the hell is it? Anyways? What the hell is what? I

(01:46:45):
can't say it? What were yourubbing? Oh? That's the my expensive
treasure that I found my Pirates ofthe Caribbean lamp. Oh isn't that cool?
You got a Godzilla five bucks?And I looked at up one one
four hundred bucks, No kidding,yep, I was like, and it
still works, d that's awesome.You know what's funny is it's you know,

(01:47:11):
you say my Godzilla hawk halack here. I know, maybe I am.
But you know what's funny is Ithe because of the new movie I'm
changing the subject real quick, butbecause of the new movie coming out in
twenty twenty one with Godzilla versus KingKong, you know, Neca, and
they came out with a brand newseries of Godzilla's and stuff, and I
kept seeing it. I kept seeingit online and I'm like, why are

(01:47:34):
they? You know? How expensiveare these things? So I went to
Walmart and I picked two of themup, and one was nineteen bucks and
the other one was ten bucks.So this is. So, it's been
like three days. So today Iwent under the check to see what they're
going for online. Now, howabout from nineteen bucks to sixty bucks?

(01:47:57):
Now, I'm like, holy shit, Okay, I mean it. Oh,
I didn't bring it up. I'msorry. I gotta prove it.
I'm sorry. Oh, okay,okay, that's cool. Just leave it
there. But I gotta tell youthat, Um, Kenny, when Kenny

(01:48:18):
and I, when I first invitedhim to WLF and got he got his
own show with us and stuff andgot him on. Um, we did
this stupid thing where you took apiece of paper and you wrote something on
it and you would put it tothe screen. So that's why he did
that. It was like one ofthe things because Kenny used to say,
I love this show, and he'dwrite it and put it up on the

(01:48:39):
front of the camera. So itwas like, in the beginning of this
whole thing, that's that's what ourshow was, is just us holding up
fucking signs. It was stupid,but it was fun because I got a
sign for ye. No, actually, it's it's good because you know,
like he said, he said,Um, you know when I when I
investigated to take different angles of youknow, take different pictures, different angles

(01:49:01):
and stuff, and um, youknow, like you said, there's no
experts in this field, and I'venever claimed to be one. This is
just something that I do for fun. Um, So you know some of
the things he wanted to teach youto get so that you're better at what
you're doing. So that's why Isaid, hey, you know, I
mean, it's always nice to learn. And that's that's one of the things

(01:49:23):
with this this the haycubs. He'salso got somebody peeking around the tree.
If you look. Well, theywere standing him, they were walking in
front of me, and we heardit looked like, yeah, we heard
the footsteps. And I was like, I heard footsteps right over there and
somebody was behind me and they tooka picture of my fat white ass.
So um, that's that's so I'mlike, yeah, we gotta have that

(01:49:48):
one for Kenny. We got him, So what about what about this one
for Kenny? Because for about agood thirty seconds, this is what I
heard and and so it's about thesame size. You gotta admit, that's
the same piece of dust that floatin front of my camera. It's intelligent

(01:50:12):
dust that's what it is. Itwas walking. I heard the footsteps and
everything. It was a full moonthat night. I took pictures. Come
on, Kenny, So should wego to the videos now? Actually,
I would like to go to thatvideo. We're actually ten minutes to two
here, so okay, yeah,so bullshit, he says. So I

(01:50:39):
totally agree with him. I amnot an ORB fan, right, Oh,
I know it was for fun,but this is I actually would like
Kenny to look at this one andif it's something you could do. I
mean, if he can't, Imean, I know how he's gonna what
he's gonna do here, but Istill would like you to send this video
to him afterwards, all right,and have him tear it apart. Sorry
to say that, but I wouldlike him too. Well, no,

(01:51:00):
I mean it would actually, I'dactually like to know what the hell it
is. Analyze. Sorry, well, that's what tearing it apart is,
is you analyze things. So youknow, you said, you said,
David's like me. We're kind oflike the redneck language over here, So
fuck you, Kenny, analyze,did you privot? No? But I'm

(01:51:20):
going to now okay, all right, so now this is just a snippet
of the video clip. So wehad just moved into the house in Dallas,
Georgia. My dog runs up tothe door. Well, actually,
let me back up just a littlebit. We've actually had we heard bootsteps
walking up the stairs. So mydog obviously she's she was a puppy at

(01:51:42):
the time. We had all thedoors closed because this is a rental house.
Um, I'm using my infrared camera. Um, we're in the dark,
and which we're about to see hereis our junk room because we just
moved in. Sobs right, shekept barking. But what you're gonna see
is a ball of light right there. And when I did was I backed

(01:52:04):
up my camera. I tried todo a frame by frame. It's a
ball of light that goes through thewall. As it goes through the wall,
it casts a shadow on the walland interested me. So right there
you can see back up just anotherYeah, this is the whole video.
Yeah, this is the whole videoI'm gonna do. It's gonna go frame

(01:52:24):
by frame. Okay, it wasonly this quick, It's only in like
six quick and there's that's it andit's gone. That was it. So
I back it up one more time, and then I basically played it again
at full speed. That's it.It was a ball light. It went

(01:52:45):
through the wall and the dark itcasts a shadow on the wall as it
goes through it. So to me, I'd like to know what that is,
because, yeah, me too,that's interesting. The house, it's
not that old, but it's nearPicket's Mill Battlefield in Georgia. Right.
This is also the same house thatis roughly one mile from where the plane

(01:53:09):
crashed in nineteen seventy seven. Wouldyou mind replaying that while you're talking,
Yeah, that's fine. And likeI said, we had heard bootsteps,
heavy bootsteps. It sounded like twomen walking down the stairs. Actually,
Charles was sitting there. Kimberly wasthere with us as well, and she

(01:53:30):
says, turn off the lights.Let's get your ghost hunting equipment. I
had my spirit box, I hada K two meter. We're just trying
to see what we could, ifwe could capture anything. But once I
opened the door again our junk roomand there's the ball of light. Right.

(01:53:53):
So again, like I said,I'll rewind it. It goes back
just a couple of frames. Itis an infrared camera. I don't recall
using any extra blasters like ever redblasters for extra lighting. This is just
a light that came with the infraredcamera. So that is very interesting.

(01:54:23):
Now I do have a question wassee it? I don't know how that
would reflect. But here's two thoughts. One, where was the dog at
the time you were doing this.She would have been in the room,
but she wasn't in front of thecamera. She wasn't, okay, and
you were pointing the camera down correct, yes, all right, so there

(01:54:46):
was no chance she was in frontof you. And it might have been
that her tail or anything like that. No, because if you look,
it appears out of here. Let'ssee what I'm concerned about? Is that?
Okay? Now I see it?Okay, so never mind, because

(01:55:10):
what I was looking at when youstop it right old look right there?
Uh huh? Where what I was? What I was thinking at first?
Because that's why I said I wantedyou to replay it. The little white
thing that comes out, It mustbe a part of the cabinet or something.
What is the white part that darkpart or white part right there?
What is right here down below thatthis here? Yeah? What is that?

(01:55:34):
Okay? I just want to makesure yep, I just want I
think this was some stuff in ain a plastic box. This is an
old like one of those electric fireplaces, right. Um, and the shadow,
I mean it's interesting, like Iwanted to make sure, like because
you see the that exactly the shadowof that whatever it is. But I

(01:55:59):
wanted to make sure that dog wasn'tanywhere near that. I mean, yeah,
because it can the dog, evenif it's behind you, can it
cast a shadow on the wall.I doubt it, but I don't know.
Um, she didn't have anything tolight her up. We were in
the dark when this this happened.That's why everything's that that you know that
that color. Um, I'm justthrowing things out there because of what I

(01:56:23):
would normally do and I don't getit. That's what we did, right,
We try to come up with solutions, right. So what interests me
is that she went right for thatdoor. Right, So now I will
say that so the only time almostputs my pants when I saw it.
Actually I really had to go payone morning. So this is a bathroom

(01:56:47):
door. Here, this is abedroom. This is the bedroom, and
then this is the master bedroom.So the way the house was as a
split level and so soon you goup the basement to the kitchen, turned
the corner, you go up thesestairs. So I'm like, all right,
um, we're packing the car up. I was like, I'll be

(01:57:08):
right back. So the only restroomsare either the master bedroom or the store
right here. I turned the cornerand I started running up the stairs,
and I saw a shadow to gointo this room here, not the room
that the dog is going to,but the far end there. I saw
it, which didn't say that themaster bedroom, the master bedrooms right here,

(01:57:30):
Oh okay, yeah, this isa closet, and then this is
another bedroom here. So basically whathad happened was the shadow actually walked into
that room and I'm like, I'lljust piss off the back porch. And
that's what I did, because itstartled me. I wasn't I wasn't expecting
it, um, but it wasa it was a it wasn't like a

(01:57:51):
super dark like solid black shadow.It was like a shadow shadow kind of
like what you know, yeah,you know, like get it. It's
a shadow. But I saw itout of me and I'm like, I'm
just gonna go back downstairs and I'mgonna pay off the back porch and that's
what I did think on the neighborsweren't home. Um, But yeah,

(01:58:13):
no, she like I said,she goes like you said, she goes
right for the door. Obviously herears are perked up. You know,
she hears something or she sense it'ssomething, because of course the dogs can
sense these things. But um,she was growling too, which was weird.
And I don't have the growling inthis because this is a screen recording.
Um. I was just simply tryingto slow down the video so people

(01:58:35):
can see, you know, whatthe ball of light was doing. And
i'd like to know what it is, because you know that I don't know
what interesting though, I mean,I don't have an answer for you because
I don't. That's why I wastrying to figure out what it was on
my end. You know what Iwas saying, But I don't know.

(01:58:56):
I don't have any answer. I'venever seen an ORB with a sham,
I don't. I have a coupleof times in a few pictures really,
and I have never seen that,and that's only when we've used empred and
that's it. Um, so abig ass piece of dotst. I don't
know, um, but it's areal dust bunny, real dust bunny.

(01:59:19):
Yeah, it went through the wall. So that's what it looks like to
me. So so why do youthink it went through the wall because it
disappears. But if you let mesay that, because as it casts,

(01:59:40):
it casts a shadow here and itgoes Yeah, it looks like it goes
into the wall towards the wall.I don't agree with that. Um.
What I is that it's coming upfrom the bottom of the frame and then
going back down into the frame.It coming in and out of the frame

(02:00:01):
on the bottom a shadow. Thething we have to remember is although it
looks dark to you, it's notdark. You're you're putting out light.
You either have an R or aUV light going on here, so you
have a light, and when itcomes to taking video like this, you

(02:00:24):
can treat it like visible light.It has to be a solid object that
blocks that light in order to causea shadow. Because it's coming from the
bottom, it's most likely your dog. Um, it's probably the tip of
his tail or something getting as itturns around. You said you're pointing down.
You're obviously pointing down because we cansee the baseboard and it doesn't look

(02:00:45):
like the room is like huge,So you're on a downward angle and because
it comes up, it comes upfrom the bottom and goes down on the
bottom. That doesn't mean that itdisappears, because it looks like it fades.
What you're what you're doing is whateverthe light is. Whatever the light,

(02:01:05):
the I R light or UV lightthat you're using, is on the
right side. And we see thatbecause in the beginning of the video,
when the dog is walking up tothe door, we see a sharp shadow,
a hard shadow on its left side, and that tells you that the
light is on the right side.Right. You see the hard shadow shadow

(02:01:26):
means it's a very it's a veryhard edge. It's not a soft shadow
going off. But you see adark shadow on the left side of the
dog, and we also see thatthe brighter spot is on the right side
of the scene. Here, that'stellion where the light is, so it's
it's actually from this angle. Stopright here you can see that not only

(02:01:51):
is the light on the right side, but it's below two it's down.
So if you're holding a camera likethis, it looks like the lights on
this yeah, because you're seeing theshadow, hard shadow above the dog,
which means the lights below him.Um, And that's telling me that the

(02:02:11):
light is low, So it's itcould be easy for like his tail to
the tip of his tail, justas it flips like flips like this,
which can happen to get in thebottom of the frame and cause that shadow.
Um. But I mean the basicfacts are, you're using light.

(02:02:32):
It's a solid object because that's theonly way that the light will be blocked.
It has to have a solid objectto block it. Um. And
then you're also you're dealing with moreof a it's a circular pattern. The
light that's used is an onboard oris it an off it's onboard light.

(02:02:56):
Okay, So it's going out ina cone shape. We have to keep
that in mind. It's not goingout in a rectangle shape, which is
what we see the framing here.So you're getting it's not dead center because
we can see that from the shadows, but it's off center. But it's
a circular pattern that goes out,which means as you go to the edges,

(02:03:17):
you're going to have less light reflectingoff of objects that get in front
of it, which is why itappears to appear in the scene and then
disappear. It's not actually doing that. It's just coming into the scene and
it's starting to reflect light as itcomes in, Like if it comes in
the bottom of the camera like this, wait, my name's in the roy

(02:03:39):
If it comes in like this,it's reflecting very little light, and then
as it comes up a little bitmore, it reflects more light, and
then as it goes out it stopsreflecting so much light. So it's the
intensity of the light that it's reflectingthat we're seeing here, and the motion
because also because of the low lightsituation, it's running at a slower frame

(02:04:01):
rate to gather in more light.So it's almost the it's the video equipment
equivalent of a slow shutter or alocal um and that's why we're getting That's
why nothing is sharp. It's veryfuzzy because of the So this I mean
for me, based on what Isee here, and we know that the

(02:04:25):
dog was in the room with you, it's most likely the tip of his
tail that got in the way.UM. And I mean because you're pointing
down, you're literally pointing down atthe almost at the ground at an angle.
So that's what I would see thisas UM and I would just the

(02:04:45):
best thing I could say is totry to recreate it. Um. Yeah,
that's won't be able to happen becausewe moved out of the house.
You can still play with it,um, I mean, because you don't
need with this. It's more moreor less just trying to figure out if
it's possible, um, and whatit might look like so you could set
it up in another room in yourhouse. Now you think, um as

(02:05:11):
tall as as tall as I am, and she was a puppy at the
time, you think that you reallythink that's your tail? Yeah? Yeah,
I mean you're you're pointing down.I mean, look at the Look
at the desk right there, rightas fills up most of the frame,
and you're looking at the baseboard.Now you're not pointing it straight ahead,
so your height is not going tobe taken into account. You're pointing down
at a downward angle. Um.And the dog if the dog gets right

(02:05:35):
in front of you. Yeah,and you're not holding I don't think you're
holding it up here. It doesn'tfrom what I'm looking at from the dresser
in there, you're almost you're you'repretty close to being level with the top
of that dresser. So most likelyI would say you're probably holding it down
here probably more like more like abouthere, because I mean I have to

(02:06:00):
see where I'm going, you know. No, I don't record like filth
or anything. Yeah. Right,you're not looking straight ahead, You're looking
kind of like this in a restingposition. You're looking at the screen and
it's pointed down. So yes,I definitely think you could get you could
have a you could get that.Um. But the best thing again,

(02:06:23):
I mean, try to recreate it. Yeah, you know, see see
what happens. She's much bigger now. So all you need, honestly,
all you need is a dark roomcamera, um, and the dark be
the same camera and the tip ofher tail with all the ship that has
happened on this property. I don'tknow if I want to be in a

(02:06:43):
dark room, but then in fora camera here for somewhere else. That's
that's yeah, that's fine. Youjust want to see what it looks like.
Yeah, that's all to try torecreate the scene and see what it
looks like. Yeah, David,don't hate me after this show that I
would hate It would be no,I'm just kidding, kidding, but seriously,

(02:07:03):
seriously, um, you know,I mean as far as like you
know, the exposure time like youwere talking about. And of course,
like you said, the game camerasare crap. Um, you know,
I only shot that one picture.That's the only picture that one ever took.
Um. I just wanted something thatI could leave somewhere see what happens,

(02:07:24):
you know, and then just takethe memory card out, pop it
in the computer, see what Icatched. That's that's the only reason why.
Yeah, I have a game camera, but like I said, that's
the only one that ever, that'sthe only picture it ever took, and
it ever worked after that. Um, it wasn't raining or anything. It
never got wet. So I don'tknow why it's stopped working, but I
won't bite you wasting any money onanother one. Um. I possibly think

(02:07:46):
it was only like fifty bucks.So but no, like next time,
you know, like you said,take pictures of different angles of the room.
Um, that would definitely help,so you can get vantage different vantage
points. So, UM, that'ssomething to keep in mind for you know,
future. Right, Yeah, AndI mean it's not I know I'm

(02:08:11):
kind of going off on the photos, but I'm not. I'm not trying
to spoil your fun or or oranything like that. It's just this is
what I do. Um, andit's good though. It's good though because
you know, Kenny, I meanted Teddy told me he's let's say,
you know, it's a skeptical It'slike, okay, cool, but no,
I mean it gives me different differentthings will look at from now on,

(02:08:39):
and that that's the point. Yeah, that's the point of what I'm
trying to do. I'm not tryingto the take this the wind that at
anyone sales. I'm trying to passon education that I've I've gotten. And
it's not it's not just belief,it's not just you know what I think.
Sometimes it's because I've done photography forthe last fifteen to twenty years.

(02:09:00):
I've done all types of photography.I'm well versed in what the camera can
do, and I can I canusually recreate almost any anomaly that I come
across. Um, it just takestime sometimes, you know, like we're
doing this on the spot. Uh, And that's not usually what I do.
Like with videos with that, Iwouldn't request to have it for a

(02:09:20):
couple of days so I can lookat it, so I can enhance it,
so I can see what's going onand try to recreate it, because
I would recreate it myself and say, okay, you know, under these
conditions, I was able to duplicatethis and this is what I came up
with, and then we can compare. Um. But doing it all on
the spot is usually what happens duringlive shows. So I can only give

(02:09:41):
you like preliminary information. No,but I mean that it does. It
still helps because you know it's,um, it's a weird video. So
but we're but we're learning, andthat's that's the whole. That's the that's
the point of this. I mean, I I don't want you know,

(02:10:03):
everybody thinking that we actually they alreadythink it. But I like having a
fresh a fresh idea, a freshopinion. And with Kenny, I know
that I'm going to get straightforward,you know, no bullshit. This is
what he believes. But he hasthe years backing him up. He has

(02:10:24):
all this stuff to to say,hey, this is what I do.
You know, so this is soI like having that, you know,
like I said before, having someof Kenny in the field is is what
we need. Right. It's adifferent viewpoint too, you know, And
like I said, you know,as far. I'm not a photography expert,
right, you know so, AndI want to I want to addrest

(02:10:46):
what Jonathan wrote in the chapel.I was just gonna say, but I
would I was just gonna say,well, thank you, Jonathan, because
I didn't see that he was there. I mean, he yeah, he
agrees. And then the comment thathe makes about however, we cannot rule
out that there is paranormal activity aroundthey take many forms. My response to

(02:11:07):
that would be that, unfortunately,the paranormal is invoking something from opinion and
it's not actually based on fact orwhat you the data that you collect.
It's a conclusion based on belief.And I'm not trying to dis or be
confrontational with them, but I'm sayingif you don't have a source, if

(02:11:31):
you don't find the source of aof a mystery, then you can't come
to a conclusion. And that's it. You can speculate all you want,
I mean, that's what we do, but you can't until you find an
actual source, like with this video. By what I saw, by the
data that was available, the mostlikely conclusion that I come up with is

(02:11:54):
that it's probably the dog's tail.But I'm not sure, I'm not one
hundred percent because we don't We're missinga lot of information, right. But
on the same account, I cannotevoke a paranormal a conclusion because again,
we don't have the information that wouldback that up. We don't have a
source. Like I can't say onehundred percent that it was the dog's tail

(02:12:16):
because I'm not sure. We're onlyseeing if it is, we're only seeing
the very tippy tip exactly, andyou know we can't identify it from that.
But there is no source when itcomes to invoking a paranormal claim,
Like, you can't say it's aghost unless you actually had the ghost,

(02:12:37):
you know what I mean. It'syou just can't do it because it believe
he is. Next remark, Isay this because one of my mates woke
up once with this camperon on hisneck. No one else was around,
but his neck had a blue handmark. So again, um, I
mean that demonstrate at the point thatI was making, you don't know what

(02:12:58):
the source is, so therefore youcan't conclude that it's paranormal because you don't
have a source. You don't knowwhat caused it. It's it's literally a
mystery. It's the end, andthat's why it's paranormal. Yeah. Well,
and then paranormal is that that's goingthe extra step, you know it

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is. But like I have saidin the past, doing this for thirty
something years, is that when Istarted out, there was no paranormal.
It was the unknown. You startedout before. They ain't been at the
wheel, you know what. Youknow, your buddy, your neighbor was
down the street chiseling around that blockand stumbled across. Hey, this rolls

(02:13:39):
when I push it. There's thewheel. I love you too, Kenny.
Have you missed out on it?You didn't get no, But but
yeah, I totally agree with Kennywith this stuff. I mean, actually
I was the first one to saythat I thought it was his tail,

(02:14:00):
and but I like the fact thathe, you know, took it further
and not an expert. He heobviously when it comes to photographs, he's
definitely an expert considering to me,to me, you're an expert, I
mean because I don't have that knowledge. Yeah, exactly, I mean,
but see, that's that's that's that'swhat that's what we need to We need

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people too, as you say,rip things apart, tear it apart,
look at it because you know thethings that I've the things that I've caught,
you know with the mist or theorbs or whatever. I mean,
it's it's all there. That's thepicture. That's how it came out.
Um, you know. And andand of course you know, like you
know the first image that we showedwith the woman in the dress or what

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looks like a woman in her dress, right, if that was photoshop,
that's also going to show up.That's also that information will show up.
And you know in the not necessarilywell it usually it does, um because
you know there's there's different like youcan see when the photos have been modified
and things like that. So Imean it shows it shows what what happens

(02:15:07):
to the file over time. Notalways, but I mean you know you
could tell if something's been modified becauselike you I get it'll say that too,
um, but you know it's that'sthat's that's what we need, is
we need people to actually tear thingsapart, look at it from different angles.
I'm not a photo experts, Sothat's that's what we need. Is

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I need somebody to look at theseand say, okay, you know the
mist is only it's it's got tobe between and it's gotta be less than
fifteen feet away because it's it's acloser it's closer to the lens, it's
closer to Yeah, you know.And the one photo, it looks like
it's in the middle of the roadto me, but that's also where I
heard the footsteps. That's why Iwent ahead and turned around took the pictures.

(02:15:52):
To me, it seems like it'sin the middle of the road because
that's where I heard the footsteps.That the cop was there with us.
So um, he says, that'sthat's your people were back there in the
woods. I was like, theyare pictures and that's what we caught.
Was this the fog? You know? So um, but the photos.
See, here's the other thing too, is then I was thinking about this

(02:16:13):
is that you know, like whatKenny was saying, you get an audible
and then you had a visual.Yeah you know, um, and you
can't connect the dots unless there's moreto it, right, you know.
I'm not an orb premp. I'mnot an oord person at all. But
when you heard the footsteps, thereis one orb that I love, though

(02:16:33):
I completely love it's round shape.It's cheese it's pepperoni, it's sauce.
I'm you know, that is aperfect orb for me. Um, I
love it. Jonathan King come backand said, haha, selling would to
the ox wagon carts. Um.He also, people are getting better at
photos these days. Anyways, guys, it was pretty early here in South

(02:16:56):
Africa. Oh well, very that'svery cool. Teddy, thanks for your
advice. You are welcome. HKenny, thanks for your expertise. David,
as always, you rock. Cheers, guys. We'll see if I
get a chance to catch the endof this. This is the end,
I think, Yeah, yeah,yeah, it's pretty much the end.

(02:17:16):
Yeah, it's it's pretty much theend. I shouldn't have it ended like
forty five minutes ago, yeah,Kenny. Kenny always says, you know,
you always say this is a ninetyminute show, but it always last
two or three hours. Never never. Actually actually if you watch if you
watch my show lately, it doesend ninety minutes. Oh. I've been

(02:17:37):
getting better at it, you know, mister. So you know, like
with that picture with the smoke,um, that's the middle of the road.
It's it really comes down the perspectivewith that kind of things, because
you have to Remember you're looking ata two dimensional image. So like for
this, this is a picture,this is a road that I drew.
Okay, it's going away from you. Right, So we could say,

(02:18:01):
like, this is a very longroad and we're looking down it, and
then if I put an ORB onthe picture, can you tell how far
down the road it is? No? Right, because two things. One,
we don't know how long that roadis. We don't know how far
away it is. And we alsodon't know the size of that quote unquote

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or if you don't have those numbers, Um, you can't figure out how
far away it is. But ifit's small, it's probably a bud or
what if it's what if it's aflashlight thirty feet away? M Well,
we usually I know where my staff, I know where I know where my
crew is at all times. Sowell, I mean when we're talking about

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the smoke picture, only one personhas to be there, person taking a
picture. Yeah, that was me, So that that all you need?
Um, But I mean, I'mwhat I'm what I'm trying to get is
the two dimensional picture lacks perspective thatwe need, the three perspective that we
need. You cannot tell where somethingis if you don't know how big it

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is, right, that's just it. That's why a lot of people report
UFOs in the sky, and becausethey see this little dot or a little
light in the sky and they haveno idea what it is. Sometimes they
think it's a mile way, sometimesthey think it's thirty miles away. But
the only thing they get right,the only thing that they get right with
that stuff is the fact is it'sunidentified. That's it. That's that's it.

(02:19:33):
That's there. You go. Um, David, thank you so much
for doing this. It's coming uphere and being you know, putting up
with me. Yeah, I mean, I mean I've seen Kenny on your
on your show before. I've seenhis shows a couple of times, and
um, you know, I Iit's it gives me a lot to think

(02:19:54):
about in the future. Definitely takingmore photos of my surrounding areas. Um.
A lot of pictures were taken whenI first started out doing this,
right, you know, eight toten years ago roughly. Um. The
video that I took that of ofwaffles there that was um, looks say,
that was in twenty fifteen, soyou know, that was five years

(02:20:16):
ago. Um, And you know, like you always say, Teddy,
there's there's no experts in this field. You know, I've I've had experiences
where I've heard things, I've heardvoices, I've seen things, um,
and the personal experiences things like that. Um, you know it's all like

(02:20:37):
you say, it's all unexplained.UM. As far as taking pictures in
the future, I'll know, I'llget a look and take more surrounding pictures
to show hey, this was here, that was there. But UM,
like I said, a lot ofthese were taken years and years and years
ago. And yeah, and that'sthat's cool though. I mean, like

(02:20:58):
you see, plain is when youstarted out, you didn't know, and
now you're learning a little bit moreso now you know. Kenny's does his
job. I've done my job ofbringing you too, Kenny, so that
gives you a little bit more information. UM. I know I'm still getting
a message from you later on sayingfuck you, Teddy. I know I'm
still getting there. I really don'tthink it's the tail of the dog,

(02:21:22):
though in the video you did writeone. I think he used to do
that all the time. Bad word. UM. I don't think it's a
tail though, But UM, it'sokay to agree to disagree. Man,
it could be, but I wantto say, I know that Waffles didn't

(02:21:45):
go all the way into the room. So she walked in. She took
like two steps and I walked in. That's That's one of the things that
I'm saying. That's one of thereasons. But again, y'all weren't there.
It was also five years ago,right, so think memory and there's
a lot of things. Yeah,but I do remember her only taking like

(02:22:11):
one or two steps in. Shedidn't go all the way into the room.
There is a factor. Gay menlove detail. I would wager that
I like details better than pretty muchall gay men. Really. Yes,

(02:22:33):
that was that was a pretty feminineYes, Yes, I gotta pick gun.
Yet we have been so serious rightnow is all details, That's what
I know. I know. It'sjust we we have been so serious with
this whole thing, which I lovebecause we showed that we can sit down

(02:22:56):
have an adult conversation without having peoplebitching and can planing and being assholes to
each other other than in a funway, you know. And this is
this is what I like. Thisis what we need more of. It's
not everybody being open to criticism oftheir findings. I mean, I'm sorry,

(02:23:18):
but that's what we need to do. I mean, I have done
some. I've been on some conversationsin the past two days with individuals who
have a name in the paranormal becauseof television, and a lot of things
have been said in the past coupleof days, and my opinion has not

(02:23:39):
changed, and I won't let itchange because I still think we need more
skepticism in what's happening for the future. Too many people are claiming this is
what it is, and they don'teven have data or they don't have anybody
helping them tear it apart. They'renot sharing it, they're not doing you
know what I mean. So forme, I like to see what we
did tonight. I really do.Yeah, like you said, you've had

(02:24:01):
how many years of experience? Yeah, dirt was young according to Kenny,
dirt, Dirt was young for No, for me, dirt was young when
I started. Yeah. And thenand then on top of that, Kenny
is is well versed and photography.So I mean, you know, as
far as you know that that ithelps explain a few things. It really

(02:24:22):
does. Um, you know,So that's that's a good thing. But
I mean like I said, Um, you don't have to agree one hundred
percent with him, and that's what'sgreat about this whole thing. Yeah,
no, no, I don't agreewith the dog's tail though, um,
because because you're wrong. Waffles.Waffles was walking up, says Waffles.

(02:24:50):
All I think about but like,I want breakfast. She she named herself.
We When we first got her,she um had to go pick her
up, and she was like sixmonths old, and I thought she was
deaf because I'm like, hey,come on, come on, you know,
and she would just like ignore melike a cat. So she had

(02:25:11):
a vaginal infection when we first gother, so I called her Snatch.
She didn't answer to that name atall, but we were we were we
were making breakfast one morning and somebodysaid, hey, do you want pancakes.
I was like, I hate pancakes. They're like, well, what
about waffles? And all of asudden, she comes running into the room
and she flops down. She startswagging her tail, and I'm like,

(02:25:35):
we didn't call you. So Iwas like, I don't. I don't
like pancakes, I don't like Frenchtoasts, I don't like maple syrup.
I'm weird. Yeah, I justdon't like breakfast food that much. I
was like, I don't like wafflesand start wagging her tail and we're like,
are you seeing this? You know? So we kept saying a couple
of different things where like pancakes,blueberry muffin, I don't know, and
they we're like waffles, and she'dstart wagging her tail. We're like,

(02:25:56):
that's her name, so, um, that's that's her name. So um
when she when she went up tothe stairs, she was she was actually
growling. And see this isn't justa screen recording of of the video,
so I could slow it down soy'all can see what was going on.
But um, no, that's notthe whole video. I'd have to I

(02:26:18):
have to go back and look atmy hard drive for the whole video.
What was that? There's more before? It's that's it started right around the
same time. Um, there's there'sreally not much more of it, but
there's maybe another five or six secondsafter, and that's it's probably me showing
the ground, which you probably won'tsee waffles in there, I'm pretty sure.

(02:26:41):
Um. And then I stopped therecording. Um, but again,
you know, I don't have thatpart for you to see, so you're
only going bas on what you cansee. Um. You also you can't
hear the audio because this is ascreen recording of the video clip. So

(02:27:01):
I could slow down the little ballof light going what looks like it's going
through the wall. But prior tothat we heard foot. We heard it's
not like heavy bootsteps. This isnot an old house, but it's about
a mile from Picket's Mill Battlefield.It's a rental house. It has constantly
there's always people going in and out. There's nobody stayed there for very long

(02:27:26):
because they claimed it was haunted,and we're like cool. We were in
the house for about a year anda half and we loved the house.
Really, we've only had like fourexperiences in the house. It really wasn't
as as haunted as we thought itwas. Um, this was probably the
first week or maybe the second weekwhile we were in the house when we

(02:27:48):
heard the bootsteps. But it's notlike somebody stumping. It was loud.
The dogs were getting aggressive. Waffleswalks up to that door and she's growling.
She's is not showing her teeth,She's like she's just making noises and
she's tilting her head. So Iwas like, I have all this equipment
a ham So that's why it tookme so long to open the door.

(02:28:13):
But you know, that's that's reallySo there's other things to the story,
which which I love, which Ilove, you know what I mean,
And that if we were just sitback and in the beginning, without going
through all the photos, it wouldmake for a great story. It would
make for that like, man,I would love to go check this place
out. And it kind of givesyou a different perspective other than if you

(02:28:35):
forgot everything. We just did umin prior to using skeptics and people like
Kenny Um when the field first started, and I'm talking experience now, is
that when we were out there doingan experiments, we were doing what we
knew. It was our own knowledgewe did. We we thought outside the

(02:28:58):
paranormal box. That's why I namedmy book the way I did. You
know we were we were trying tocome up with any thought, any idea
how we could prove or disprove oryou know, can I capture this?
How can I capture it? Soon and so forth. So there's a
lot of things going on there.But we had no. Back when I
was doing it, like I said, it was called the unknown. I
didn't have any friends that were intotearing photos apart or listening to an EVP

(02:29:24):
or any of this stuff. Somy meaning, I guess behind all of
us is that we become accepting.We accept everything without a run of reason.
Now, I mean we always havesince the beginning, and it's new
for us to have someone like Kennycome and step into the field and say,

(02:29:45):
hey, guys, I'm different.Fuck you guys, And now they're
saying no, fuck you, andso it's like, you know, it's
it's just nice to have that becausewe didn't have it back in the day,
and so we're used to it beinga certain way. Yeah, we
can't discount, like when I learned, you didn't discount personal experiences. You
didn't discount things that you couldn't tieinto it. You couldn't discount like stuff

(02:30:09):
that they want to go back toin the field. They want to go
back to the moon phase, barometricpressure. They want to use all this
stuff again and try to consider advancingthe field by having all this other stuff
with it, which you and Italked about before, with temperature and all
that stuff. This is what theywant to do. And who am I

(02:30:30):
to say no, don't do it, or yes, do it whatever.
I don't care. But we justhave to look at the fact. This
is that I don't discount anything untilI have as much information as possible your
story. I still take an accountthat the dog I saw from the video.
I saw the dog go to thedoor. Obviously there was something going
on in that room because the dogpicked it up. Yeah, okay,

(02:30:50):
well it was that. I haveno idea the dog. There's a little
issue with that because I understand howthe more you talked about it, we
have to also take into account yourday, your reactions, and your actions
during that time, because it's it'sit's probable that the dog was reacting to

(02:31:11):
your reaction as well, because whenthe video starts, the dog is not
at the door. The video startsand the dog then goes up to the
door. So because the camera's alreadyrolling and then we see a reaction,
it's probable that the dog was reactingmore so because of you. If you

(02:31:33):
hurt something, you were like,what's that? What's that? And you're
you're getting excited about it. Thatdog's gonna feed off of your your actions
and your emotions. And that makessense because you know when you say hey,
yeah, you know, or mydogs they'll always bark when I say
who is it? You know exactlymy dog If I if I'm on the

(02:31:56):
couch and I go who's at thedoor? Boom, it's yeah, barking
and right at the door, likelooking like all right, this is my
house, bitch, who's here?You know. There's another There's another thing
though that we can't we just can'tthrow out as well, is that animals,
especially dogs here in different frequencies thanwe do. They hear things that

(02:32:18):
we don't. So it could havebeen because of your reaction, like he
said, which I'm not discounting,but there also could have been something that
had fallen. There could have beensomething like a bird or a toad or
something in that room of crooked thatcould have been something in the room.
I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying that you can't discount

(02:32:39):
the fact that there was a noisethat could have drawn him there that you
didn't hear. That was my point. I would just being cute when I
said so yeah, So so itcould be other things as well. As
your reaction. It could be somethingthat he heard and only he heard.
Yeah, it comes back to theidea that there's information that's missing. Yeah,
that's and that makes sense too.But now when when we heard the

(02:33:03):
bootsteps, um, how many steps? Well, at first we heard four
because it sounded like it walked downthe steps like like halfway down. The
stairs started like it it sounds likeit started halfway down. We're like,
what the hell is that? SoCharles, Kimberly and I are all like

(02:33:26):
huddled together, like what the fuckis going? So we're like we're watching.
So now there's a fireplace behind us, the couch, and then the
stairs would have been right in frontof us. We're all just kind of
so I'm like, oh, mycameras right here. So I grabbed the
camera and I turned it on.I start to record, but it takes

(02:33:48):
me a few seconds because I haveto open the camera. It takes a
second for it to turn on.I have to go into the menu,
I have to turn on them forred. So the first thing that comes
on is a flash. Where's thesteps in really into the room, probably
about as far I was standing,or where they were in the room in

(02:34:11):
the house. It sounded like footstepscoming down the stairs starting in the middle
of the stairs, But I didn'tsee any stairs in the video. We
were probably I was probably as closeas I am from my bed to where
I'm at now, which this isabout ten feet. So that's why I'm
saying it sounded like it started inthe middle because I didn't hear anything walking

(02:34:33):
up. I didn't hear anything walkingdown. It sounded like it was in
the middle and it went just boomboom, And we're like, is that
coming from under the house? Isit coming from under the stairs? So
we were about to actually go downto look in the garage to see if
there was like a raccoon or somethinggoing on. Is something to be leave
the garage door open, because assoon as you walk up the stairs to

(02:34:58):
the as soon as you walk upthe stairs from the garage, you're in
the kitchen, you turn the cornerand you go up the stairs that are
in the video. Um, whatstairs? Stairs were behind you when when
the camera when you first start rollingthe camera, the stairs were behind you.

(02:35:18):
They were in front of me,they were in front of me.
I'm I'm sitting I'm standing here.Charles and Camberly and I are standing here,
and we're probably from here to wheremy bed is from the stairs.
Okay, well, okay, soI was just trying to with the video.
I was trying to figure out wherethe stairs were, so they were
in front of us from the video. Yeah, it's I can bring it

(02:35:41):
up again. So I guess isit a fair question to a fair statement
to say that you didn't know wherethe noise came from at first? Yes?
Um, it sounded like because onthe other side of the stairs would
have been the lodge. Did weleave the garage door open as somebody in
the garage, But when the dogsstarted walking up, she started walking up

(02:36:07):
the stairs. Actually, um,I do you see it in the video
there are no stairs? Um?Yeah, yeah, I was thinking that
too. So yeah, so nowwhere I'm walking up the stairs as I'm
recording. But then again, likeI said, this was just a screen
recording of the video quote the ballof light, so that that way everybody

(02:36:31):
could see. Um, so soyou were downstairs, yes, because it's
a split level. Okay, Soif we're standing in the living room facing
the stairs, facing the stairs,if we were to go here into the
kitchen and walk down the stairs.We'd be in the garage and then we
got the stairs above us going up, so it's a split level in life.

(02:36:56):
That's when I said at first,was it somebody banging in the garage,
because they'd have to be pretty tallto hit like in the middle of
the staircase. Because it's just itsounded like it was coming from the middle.
It didn't sound like anything walked up. It didn't sound like anything walking
down from the hallway walking down.But it was heavy bootsteps as it was

(02:37:18):
a thud sound, thud, thud, thud. But we could hear the
stairs creak on the second step fromthe the second step going up towards the
second floor. The second had,Yes, it actually has a creak to
it, and it's a you know, just a little creek. We heard

(02:37:41):
that. So whatever it was,it sounded like it started in the middle
of the stairs or right there towardsthe middle one, two, three,
four, we heard the creaking sound. That's why we're all like looking at
the stairs, trying to take pictures, trying to get all of our ship
turned on and to see what's goingon. Prior to this, I was

(02:38:03):
actually making dinner and my mom gaveme this oil and vinegar dispenser. I
didn't use zone, but they werelike decorative, so I had them out.
They weren't on top of the stove. But when we heard it break,

(02:38:24):
it was on top of the stove. I don't know if something picked
it up and dropped it. Idon't know if it fell over off of
something. And to me, itwas just kind of weird. It's like,
so, why is it broken?It was nowhere near the stove to
begin with, where I had itin the kitchen, it wasn't anywhere near

(02:38:45):
the stove. Talking about another event, Yeah, yeah, what happened minutes
about five to ten minutes prior tothis. Because this changes, this changes
a couple of things. I mean, it does, um, but we're
not there. We don't know.Yeah, you know, we didn't have
any video or anything of it.Um. Un Fortunately, that's that's a

(02:39:07):
separate experience. It is. Itis, but it does still tie together
in some sense because it's in thesame build up. It doesn't. It
doesn't tie together until you can findit. Until you can't, it does
not. They don't correlate, Theydon't mean anything. They don't mean either
one had anything to do with theother until you establish some kind of link.

(02:39:30):
That's the two separate events. Um, the flushed a toilet and my
doorbell rings. That doesn't mean rightone calls me up. That's true.
Now, I I we're trying tofigure out because I thought maybe somebody had
maybe maybe because Kimberley was a guest, and I thought maybe shit dropped it
or maybe you know, it didn't. It didn't mean anything to me because

(02:39:52):
I didn't use the damn thing.But um, there was nothing in it.
It was it was five minutes priorto this happening with the dog,
But the didn't think too much ofit. Kind of just cleaned up the
glass. There was no glass onthe ground or anything. It was all

(02:40:15):
on the stove like towards the middle. Like it somebody picked it up and
just dropped it. So we justkind of cleaned up the mess. It
was no big deal. Kimberly saidthat she was in the bathroom, so
she would have been actually upstairs whenthis happened. Charles and I were in
Charles and I were in the houseon the first floor technically the kitchen,

(02:40:39):
living room area and the front I'msorry, the Yeah, the front patio
area as well. It's it's kindof hard to explain this house because it's
it's a split level, but there'sthree levels. We had the garage,
we had the first level, andthen we had the second level, which
is where the dogs were. Sowe heard the glass break and it was

(02:41:01):
a couple of moments later because wedidn't get up and go what happened,
you know, we just go okay, because we thought maybe Kim dropped something.
Um. She said she was inthe bathroom when it happened. She
heard it. Um. We didn'tthink too much of it. And I'm
like, I'm like, well,where was it? Because it's it's storm
over here by the sink. It'sthe sink, the refrigerator counterspace. Then

(02:41:28):
we've got the corner here where thestove is, and then a small counter
the counterstop, and then the doorfor the basement. So it was supposed
to be over there. Why isit over here on the that That was
my own like, what's it doinghere? That's it? I did have
another question though, you said youhad probably four or five experiences there,

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right, What were some of theother ones, if you don't mind me
asking? So the other one Itold you I was. I was hadn't
really pee early in the morning,and I ran up the stairs and I
saw a shadow. It was aIt was dark enough, you know,
like when I'm casting on the Itwas dark enough. I see it,
but it was in solid black.But it scared the ship almost because I

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had to pee. And I'm lookingdown as I'm walking up and I see
it. I'm like, oh God. And I saw it walk into the
room and I'm like, I justturned back around and walked down the stairs
and I peeed off the back porch. It was still early early in the
morning. The sun hadn't popped upyet, so nobody could have seen me,

(02:42:35):
which was good. Plus the neighborsweren't home. So but that's something
that I saw, right And um, it went into the last room,
not the first room that Waffles wentinto, but it went into the last
room. Um. Another experience was, UM, I was walking up from

(02:43:00):
getting the mail, so I havea picture of what the house looks like
on the outside. It's a longsloping driveway and I had just got the
mail and I was walking up.I saw a flicker and I looked out
and the light was flickering on andoff a couple of times, and I'm
like, now, there's no waythe dogs can reach it. And on
top of that, it was arental house. Waffles was a puppy.

(02:43:22):
Still, we had all the doorsclosed so if she did go anywhere,
if she messed anywhere, if shehad an accident, which we really didn't
have any accidents out of her,but she's sick a lot, so if
she were to get sick, shewould only get sick on hopefully the linoleum
and off the carpet in the hallwayof where the stairway is. But we

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always kept the doors closed because wedidn't want her just going in there and
tearing something up or chewing on somethingthat we would have to replace later.
So I've seen the lights flicker acouple of times, and that was in
the same room where we saw theball of I'm just will say it's a
light. Um, that one I'mpretty adamant on. But where we saw

(02:44:05):
the where we saw the ball there, Um, it was that room.
The light was flickering on and off. Um, it's an older house.
But I don't I don't think that. I don't think they really had any
electrical issues in there. We didn'thave any electrical issues when we were in

(02:44:26):
there. Um, we didn't haveit happened while we were in the house.
Um, that's happened twice with thelights flickering, same room though.
Um. I remember talking to theneighbors. We didn't really were talking to
them until probably the week about aweek week and a half before we moved
out. Um, and they said, so, have you experienced anything weird?

(02:44:48):
I'll see a couple of things.Why. I was like, do
you know what happened in the house? They said, well, the owners
that lived in there, that originallybuilt it, had died in the house.
But they were nice people and theydon't I think that they're haunting the
house. But the person that movedin afterwards killed themselves in the basement.
So I was like, well,let's get to know. But we are

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also one mile from Picketts Mill Battlefield. We're one mile from where the plane
crashed in nineteen seventy seven. Wewere one mile from where that battle filled,
where the battle happened at New HopeChurch. So we're in a very
strange area, if let's say theleast. So I thought that maybe there
could be something paranormal going on inthe house, but I didn't know if

(02:45:35):
it was tied to the battlefield,if it was tied to the guy that
killed himself. I never felt uneasyin the basement, except for the spiders,
because our watcher and entire went there, and I fucking hate spiders.
And they were they weren't grad datlong legs, but they were small bodies
and they had real long legs.But they also had webs, and the
basement was unfinished, so you couldn'tsee them until you're right upon them.

(02:46:00):
But that's the only thing I hatedabout the basement. I didn't feel uneasy
down there. But after we foundout that somebody killed themselves in the basement.
They hung themselves from the rafter,I'm like, there's rope there.
It's like, what if that's therope that they used. There's rope over
here too. I wonder if that'sthe rope and that's that's really it.
I didn't feel uneasy, but itwas just kind of weird to know that

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somebody hung themselves in the basement.I don't know if they were trying to
kick, you know, maybe itwas a residual or something and they were
kicking because they were hanging and theywere trying to kick themselves down because they
would have been right there in thatarea where the ropes were. But you

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know, like I said, itsounded like it began in the middle.
It didn't. Sometimes you can judgethe depth when you're close to something,
you can judge where you you canhear where it's something's coming from. And
it didn't sound like anything. Walkingfrom the end of the hallway walking down,
I started right towards the metal andwalk just started stop stop, stop,
stop, like heavy thuds. Um. I was like bootsteps. So

(02:47:09):
that's why we were like, well, we are close to a battlefield.
Maybe maybe it's a soldier. Maybethat could be it. Maybe the previous
owner was an old guy here reallylike boots. We don't know. Um.
See, this is why I lovethe paranormal. I love the stories.
I love how all of it comestogether and it's interesting and you got

(02:47:33):
my attention. And then I lookat Kenago fuck wow, I hey,
no, no, I know,but I just still love ghost stories.
I still know. I love hisstory. I love this story, I

(02:47:56):
really do you know? And interestedyeah, yeah it is cool story bro,
But yeah that's um. Anyways,that's that's um. And that was
the household that was in Georgia thatwe lived in. It was a rental
house. Like I said, wealways kept the doors closed and the dogs

(02:48:16):
wouldn't go in the room and tearup the carpet or yeah, I don't
know. I love it. Ijust love the story. I love that
we have spent another hour. David'sfault this time, all right, but
you know what, you believe whatyou believe. Huh. I'm just gonna

(02:48:37):
get a shower and go right towork by the time we're done. No,
because I actually have to go becauseI have to take my dad to
a doct's appointment in the morning.So the family thing. Um, But
Jonathan King, hello, I'm back. Well I'm leaving that we're leaving.
John took a nap, came back. We're still on so you know,

(02:49:01):
but I just wanted to say again, I mean, you believe what you
want to believe. I'll believe whatI believe. Kenny will believe what he
believes. But it's still at theend of the day, it's nice to
have somebody else to talk about itand run through ideas and thoughts and so
on and so forth. Right,So that's that's what I still end up
with. But I love this storyand I'm excited about it, so yeah,

(02:49:22):
I like it. So all right, um, we're gonna get out
of here because because it's like twoo'clock your time. Yeah yeah, yeah,
it's two o'clock my time. Mybedtimes at like eleven thirty now,
so yeah, okay, oh man, all right guys, well, thank

(02:49:43):
you both of you for being onthe show. Thank you for having me.
Yeah you, Kenny, it wasgonna meet Dave. I did send
you get a chance in the privatechat. I sent you my email address
if you want, if you feelup to it, I want to s
on me the video and or pictures. You can take a better look at

(02:50:03):
him and then we can talk aboutthat later. All right. Sounds good.
So all right, well that's beena fun night. I really enjoyed
our conversation. So um, everybodyelse that's listening, if you're still here
with us, thank you for joiningus. Um Me Kenny and Dave,
and we will see you Thursday night. I believe I have um mister Tony

(02:50:24):
Deville joining me on Thursday night,and we're just gonna shoot the shit.
That's it. It's a shoot toship night and Saturday there is no show
for Talk with Teddy. It's mysister's birthday and we are going to get
her hammered. So that's what itis, all right, guys, Thank
you again. I appreciate it.We're out of here night. Thank you

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