February 5, 2023 • 59 mins
Remember that TV show that you loved that stuck around one season too long and just got weird and/or sad? Yeah....the same thing happens with toy lines. In this case, it happened to MASK. The racing series was a stretch but it worked. This...this, just, no. No, Kenner, No. Why? Never fear, the guys DID find some good things to say about thsi wave. Not much, but some good things. Listen and find out what they are!
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In the mid to mid to lateeighties. There was a toy line by
Kenner that we've talked about on theshow before, the toy line his Mask.
I'm not going to bury the lead. I loved these toys so much
so that I got in trouble overthem the first time I got one.
I think I mentioned that in theshow before. If not, I'll tell
it another time. But to myknowledge, there were only there were two
waves of vehicles for this line.I was never aware of the nineteen eighty
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seven racing series third Wave, whichwe talked about on the show previously,
nor was I aware of the fourthseries called Split Seconds. And I have
to tell you, folks, I'mkind of glad I wasn't. The more
I learned about these, the moreI liked them. But then the more
I'm reminded of how Kenner sort oflost the thread. There's very few times
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when I would say a toy linejumped the shark, but I think this
might be it. And folks,I think Taylor might actually agree with me.
The line I'm talking about, asI've given away his mask, the
Split Seconds fourth Wave. That's whyI'm here talking toys. Welcome to talking
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Toys with Taylor and Jeff, wherewe go back in time to discuss our
favorite toys, one toy line ata time. Hello, and welcome to
Talking Toys with Taylor and Jeff.I'm Taylor and I'm Jeff. And yeah,
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before we started, folks, Taylorsaid, you know, I've been
going back and forth. I hadmy top five list and I threw it
out. I have my top fivelist. I threw it out. I'm
kind of on defense about this one. I was like, I don't know
what you mean. You mean youcan't come up with the top five.
He said, no, I'm gonnawing it. And I was like,
well, that's every show. There'snot every show. I said, well
ninety five percent of the shows andhe said, yeah, that's accurate.
So that that tells you the amountof prep that Taylor puts into. Well,
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so, so I did you knowit was one of those because we
we've had this, like we knewwe were going to go through all the
Mass series at one point, andas I had been looking at this,
I was like, I don't Idon't get it. Like, I don't,
I don't understand the the you knowwhat they're like, you know,
usually with a toy, like especiallyif you have an established toy line that
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has kind of a story, maybea cartoon or a comic attached to it,
and you kind of get the gistof what the toy is saying,
the story of it, you know, right, And I was looking at
this one and I'm like, Idon't I don't understand the premise of this,
and I think it comes with thisduplicate thing that that's going on,
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right, Okay, So so solet's let's get the folks to load it
on if they don't know. So, so the split second series from mask,
the vehicles still sort of transform,but what you really get is you
get two smaller vehicles that combine toform a larger vehicle. Sometimes that that
one of those smaller vehicles just isjust a glider, So it's sort of
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a loose definition of two vehicles.You also get two figures with each one,
but one figure is sort of monochromaticand see through because that figure is
supposed to be a computer projection ofthe pilot of the vehicle. Is that
that's that's it, right, Yeah, it's it's so it's it came with
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the driver and then a mask andthen they're splitting image. So the second
figure that was see through was theresplitting image, and that was to drive
the second vehicle. You know,I'm going to read this from maskforce dot
com. This is a good agood synopsis of it. The fourth and
final series was known as Split Seconds. It was released in late eighty seven
and included nine vehicles and two furtherunreleased vehicles. The series was unique as
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all vehicles would transform and split ie. Split Seconds into two vehicles seconds
driven by the agent and their computerimage. None of the vehicles were seen
in the mass TV show no datacontributor to the untimely cancelation of Mask.
So, yeah, you didn't evenget two characters. You get two figures,
but only one character because it wasthe driver and they're basically a hologram
for lack of a bit of word, right, right, yes, And
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it was it was basically to drive. So they had like one overall vehicle
that was like a regular vehicle,and that broke into two parts, so
like the shell of a vehicle mightbe a glider, and then the other
vehicle might actually be like a roadsterthat's missing like the body of the vehicle
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or fist to Cef Burner is ais a dragster and it splits into a
stealth jet and a cannon launcher,So you didn't even really get two vehicles.
No, and it's weird. Oneof the things that they say on
the Albert Pinello dot com for MassToys, which I'm so glad that he's
kept that up, which I thinkhas been invaluable to us. Oh yeah,
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I love this because what he says, and we may be saying that
we're going maybe Pineo because it's anElo, could be Albertine. If we're
mispronouncing that, Albert, please letus know. And I'm so sorry if
I am me too. I've beensaying it that way for years. It
says from a toy standpoint, manyof these really lacked imagination. You can
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also see the genesis of the linein the meter, which probably was the
weakest of the third series. It'slike one of those words like looking at
them, there's not a lot oftransformation. It's kind of like pieces more
or less like they just stack onone another right to kind of closed down,
and they really do feel like it'skind of a second rate ideas what
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it feels like to me and Ithink you'll agree. It feels to me
like this was a like an ideafor a different toy line that was retrofitted
to mask. Yeah, you knowhow how die Hard with a Vengeance is
a standalone story that was retrofitted tobe a John McLean die Hard story.
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Yep, that's what this feels like. Either that or they just ran out
of ideas and they said, well, this is what we've got. But
but I would be willing to betif we could dig deep enough, we
would find out that this was anidea for a different toy line, that
this will let's just throw the masklabel on it and use mask characters and
we've got a built an audience.Except that, from my understanding, it
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had pretty bad distribution. Yeah,I never saw any of these. Yeah,
a lot of so when I wasgoing through and I was looking at
the boxes, because he has itto where it has box front, box
back, and then you've got picturesof everything, including the figures, but
a lot of the box front areUK, UK UK. There's US,
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but a lot of them are UK. And I believe a lot of this
probably ended up overseas and we didn'tactually get here. So, like the
afterburner, which is pretty cool looking, at least a jet portion. It's
boxes labeled UK, and there's afew other in here that it's like the
Stiletto. I was like, hey, that's a pretty cool one also UK.
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So it seems like some of theheavier hitting ones, ones that are
kind of, you know, kindof a nod to coolness, didn't even
make the stakes. And I couldhave sworn that there was another vehicle called
Stiletto in the line earlier, butI I believe so, I thought so,
well, but I could not findit. Maybe it was the Stinger
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that we were thinking of. Iknow that there's because what's drivers that for
the stiletto on? Oh you knowwhat that you know what um sly Racks's
mask was called the Stiletto. Okay, that's what it was. That's what
it was. I could never findit. Yeah, So yeah, and
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so okay, so real quickly,Well we'll go give the folks a rundown.
We had the Afterburner, the Detonator, Dynamo, fire Force, sky
Bold, Stiletto, Barracuda, Vandal, and wolf Beast, which wolf Beast
is I don't know, I don'tunderstand that name. And then yeah.
And then we had two more,the Thunderball and ramp Up that did not
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get produced, and they I cankind of see why they look they're not
great. It's kind of like thesign. Yeah, ramp Up was a
powerlift and a fighting tank and Thunderballwas a holding tank and a high rise
gunner station. So they really yeah, they these had to have been that
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one seems more like mask than anythingelse. But still just they're they're just
they're not great. Um no thoughI think you know, going back to
remember the last series that had allthe racing them and we had the sign
that broke open, Yes, andit had these would go really well with
that. They would so real quick, so I'll just go through real quick.
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We had the Afterburner, which wasa dragster and it popped apart to
make a stealth jet and a cannonlauncher, and it came with Dusty Hayes,
so it was one of the goodguy ships or vehicles. The Detonator
came with Jacques Lafleur, so it'sit's it's a venom vehicle, and it
was a Volkswagen bug that turned intoa hovercraft and a tag bike. We
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had the Dynamo, which came withBruce Sotos, so it was a mask
vehicle and it came with It wasan off road vehicle that became a turbine
chopper and an assault cart cart.Then we had fire Force, which came
with Julio Lopez, and I honestlycan't remember if he's a good guy or
a bad guy. I think he'sa good guy. I think so based
on the college scheme. And itwas a Pontiac Fierro which transformed into a
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glider craft and a three wheel chopper, which is pretty cool. We had
Skybolt, which came with Matt Tracker, so it was of course one of
the good guys. It was afighter jet that became a jet plane,
and a thruster car. I'm noteven sure what a thruster car is,
Taylor, have you ever heard ofthat term? Kind of from the looks
of it, it looks kind oflike a like a Formula one type car
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with three wheels instead of four.Yeah, but I believe a thruster car
is like a car that has ajet engine on it. Oh, okay,
that makes sense. Yeah. Andof course we had the Stiletto,
which came with Gloria Baker, Soit was a mask vehicle, and it
was a Lamborghini that became a raidplane and an attack chopper. We had
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the Barracuda, also known as aJackal, which came with Bruno Shepherd,
so it's also a venom vehicle.It was a jet cycle that became a
jet glider and a booster cycle.And I guess the booster cycle. You
use the booster cycle to let thelet the jet glider go. I guess,
so, yeah, that's wasn't didn'tBruno Didn't he have the um the
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motorcycle in the first series that wasa helicopter. I don't think so.
Maybe so, I don't, butI don't think no. He yeah,
yes, did he know? Hehad the ATV. He had the at
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Okay, yeah, you're thinking ofyeah, you're thinking of Floyd Malloy.
Okay, yeah, brilliant. Hecame with the he came with the Vandal,
that's right. Yeah, And andFloyd Malloy came with the Vampire.
I think I think it was calledYeah, which the Vandal was a frontloader,
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a what do you call it?Bulldozer? Basically it became a recon
craft and dirt tractor. It's likea Bobcat sort of frontloader, a dirt
tractor. Dirt Venom is farming nowa dirt tractor. And then finally we
had the Wolf Beast, which camewith Miles Mayhem. So obviously it's a
Venom vehicle and it was a Corvettesting ray with oversized wheels. It became
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a tank and a flying shuttle.So you mentioned the Yeah, I mentioned
in my story time about this iswhere the line sort of jumped the shark,
and we'll see any toy line thatgoes for any length of time.
I think Star Wars avoided this forthe most part. In the original series.
Some of the mini rigs got alittle weird, but that's I think
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as bad as it went. GI Joe didn't hit this point until about
way of seven or eight. Itwas a good seven or eight years into
the line before everything started getting neon. Yeah. Masters of the Universe hit
it right around Wave three, tailend of Way two, first part of
Wave three, and Mask here aswell. That you just sort of lose
the concept. You do as muchas you can with the concept, and
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then you think, okay, wellwe've got to do something new. Let's
do this and what you have issomething that doesn't really feel like anything that
came before it, and as aresult, it doesn't feel like an extension
of the line. It just feelslike it doesn't belong. I think you
kind of agree with that, right, yeah, yeah, this this very
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much feels like the meteoroids for Mastersof the Universe. It's those are around
animals, right, They're there,and I guess you can collect them,
but you're not really out of pocketif you do, because didn't really fit
with anything else, Like these don'treally feel like they fit with anything else
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in the line, correct. Theonly thing about these that make them look
some of them in their vehicle forumlook like they belong with the rest of
the Mask vehicles, and we'll talkabout it as we go along. Some
of them don't, though, someof them, specifically the Wolf Beast,
to me, the Wolf Beast andthe Vandal don't look like they belong with
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the Mask toy line. And Ithink the Wolf Beast is because it's got
those oversized wheels. It looks likesomething from the nineties, and the color
scheme that's sort of bright blue withthe regular it looks like something from the
from the early nineties, do youremember there? So there was a toy
line that Hasbro had that was kindof like the resurgence of Mask. And
I think I've gotten you like oneof the vehicles, Yes you did.
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Some of these vehicles remind me oflike colors scheme and design. Yes,
those vehicles. I don't either,but I've I've got it. It's I've
got it. It's really cool.It looks more like a Mask vehicle because
its color scheme is a little moremuted. Right, It's silver with something
like a slatish blue, like ablue green color scheme to it. It
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looks like it could belong with Mask, right, But wolf Beast. Wolf
Beast just doesn't to me at all. And neither it is a Vandal because
for starters we talked about it,it's it's a bulldozer, an earth mover
and it's like magenta and yellow.I kind of like the color scheme,
like, well, the color schemeis not bad, but it's not Mask.
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No, at least at least not. The Vandal is more mask than
than the than the wolf Beast,but Barracuda is not at all that Neon
yellow just does not work for me. No, And again it's reaching up
at this point. I mean,because what you're that was and the and
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the detonator is the same thing detonatorthat that sort of fuchia with with green
on the front, basically the Venomvehicles. I was gonna say, it
looks like all the bad guy vehiclesare the ones that suffer from that that
future color. Yeah, which kindof makes me wonder, I'm gonna look
at this one, the fire Force, Uh, I guess it's still yeah,
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fire Force, fire Force. Yeah, with the Fiarreau. I'm looking
to see if it's a good guyor a bad guy. But it looks
like it's a good guy. Butit has some some neon and that that
kind of yeah, but it's alittle more muted. It's black with the
neon it it fits in more withthe mask line. Um, but yeah,
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I don't know. So let's talka little bit about the figures real
quick then. So the figures aresuffering much the same fate the figures.
The color scheme and everything just doesn'twork for me. They look space age
and they look they look more likesomething out of Chris Star not even look
talking about the holograms, the hologramsdefinitely look at something out of Chris Star,
but the figures themselves. It's DustyHayes really suffers from this. If
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you look, he's got like goldlike bullets, like a bandolier going like
three times around him, or somethingwith an orange some sort of orange jacket.
It's it's an odd, odd look. It's very odd. And I
can't tell. Is his clothing allripped up too? Looks like it.
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I'm not sure if it's supposed toor not, but it looks like it.
And then I guess these are arelike tassels or some sort of knots
on the side of his pants.Yeah, I have no idea, That's
what I'm saying. This whole thingis weird. I don't understand it.
It confuses me. And this mustbe what my dad felt like when I
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tried to teach him how to playvideo games. It confuses me, which
angers me. Yeah, but buteven and again the color scheam, but
like Dusty his color scheme, it'sit's awful. Um, he's got these
hammer pants on. If you lookat like Julio Lopez, he is less
egregious, but still he's got likehe's Julio looks like what's the bar keeps
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name on Brave Star. Oh handlebar. Yeah, tell me, he
doesn't look like handle bar. It'slike like candle bar. He's even got
the mustache, and you've got thecuffs around his around his upper arms.
Let's see an old West bartender.Bruce Soto is not that bad. Um
his I feel like it is okay, But even Matt Trackers feels really off
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with that just dark white suit.There's nothing in there that makes it feel
like Matt Tracker, you know.Yeah, yeah, Bruce, Bruce Sottos
looks more like it looks quite abit like them, the white and blue
outfit that he had with his likeAlpine Climbers year or whatever. Yes,
but but it's but still he's gotthose you know where what is this thing
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he's wearing. He's wearing like ait's like he's wearing a carburetor or something.
Yeah, and it's it's weird becauseit's almost it almost feels like something
a little bit more out of Dinowriters. Yeah, and he's got that
pink, that random pink you know, strap horn around his leg around his
leg, which is just so odd. It's it's weird. It's almost like
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they designed the hologram and this,Okay, how can we retrofit this again
as a concept. I don't mindit. I think it's a decent concept,
but it's not mask, right.I do like Floyd Malloy. I
think his suit design everything looks actuallypretty cool because he's got like a big
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skull like like wrapped into his armwith no that is it's it's cool.
But again, it's cool, butit's it's sloppy. Yeah, it almost
looks accidental, but it is cool. I like that design. But again,
and like even Miles Mayhem, youknow, he's the generalize like he's
a general of of venom, andyet here he looks like a punk rocker.
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And this is someone who before waswearing suits and stuff, you know,
and like military gear, was wearinglike military gear. Yeah, but
he's got you know, some sortof punk rocker armor with a bug on
the front of his his suit.Which yeah, it's it's like mask.
It's it's mask, max is whatit is, or mad mask, however
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you want to do it, howeveryou want to combine him. That's what
this reminds me of. It lookslike something out of the Road Warrior.
Yeah, do you think that's whatthey were going for, like they were
going maybe for a post apocalyptic youknow, here's the thing. I hope
not because based on the boxes,I mean it, that's the thing.
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That's the thing. This concept couldwork had they either either made it a
different toy line or somehow the wholeMask crew got launched into like a Planet
Halk type thing, you know fromthe Marvel comics. Yeah, and they
had to make do with what theyhad or something like that. That as
a concept is not bad, Butto just throw it out there and say
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hey, here's more mass toys,it just doesn't work for me. Yeah,
it's weird. And the only box, like what you were talking about
with the idea that being a MadMax, the only box it looks like
it would show kind of a postapocaly thing is Afterburner. Everything else is
like even the boxes are just verygeneric and they don't really tell a story,
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right, And we always had areally good box art on this one
for this line. And again it'sit's not that it's bad, you're right,
they just they just seem kind ofplain. Yeah, the majority of
them are all just taking off fromwhat it looks like a tarmac of some
sort. Yep, Stiletto looks likeit's said in the future, but just
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stiletto. Yeah, Stiletto does lookbut almost all of the rest of them
look like they are just taking offfrom a tarmac of some sort. It's
interesting. After Burner is the onlyother one. Yeah, after Burner and
Stiletto are the only two that havebox art that it looks like anything,
that looks like anything and everything else, like all the US stuff is boring.
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It's just got lines for a backgroundand some color and then that's it.
And the other two seem to havea little bit more storytelling to it,
but it feels more like a technicalread out in this case than it
does an actual box are for akid's toy. Yeah. Absolutely, all
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right, Well let's we we've we'veragged on the line as a whole enough,
let's talk about a few of thetoys. Um, so let's start
with after Burner. I have tosay, in its in its vehicle form,
it's pretty cool. This will dragThe idea of this being a dragster
yeah, um, this would havemade more sense for the the racing series.
But I feel like the two vehiclesare hidden well inside this dragster because
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the stealth jet is is the canopybasically, yep, and the wings are
the pop up and they're like thespoiler. And then when you when you
pop it off the drag the bodypart of the dragster pops up, and
I guess Dusty is sitting in thecannon and then his U doppelganger is in
the jet and the wings pop out. That's actually, it's actually a pretty
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ingenious idea. I don't mind that. I like that one, okay,
Yeah, And I like I likethe design of the jet. I think
that jet looks pretty cool. AndI like the color scheme. They each
have their own color scheme and theyfit together right, So I don't like
I said, I don't want tohate on the line all the way,
but this one, this one's notbad. Um. And then uh detonator.
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Okay. So I've talked before onthe show about Zoomer Boomers, these
toys that my brother liked when hewas a kid, and you remember you
look some of them up. Doesthis not look like a zoomer Boomer in
its Volkswagen bug very yeah? Ohman. And then it becomes a hovercraft
and an attack bike, and Ijust I mean, the hovercraft part is
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actually cool, and the attack bikeis cool. This is one that I
don't necessarily mind that that, butI don't like it in its vehicle form.
It looks it's another one that lookslike it's from the nineties. It
looks oversized. Well yeah, andI mean again the color scheme. I
just don't like the co scheme.This this is this is the color scheme
of beetle Juice. Yes, Andthat's that's one of those that's almost like,
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hey, we've got all this extrayou know, fluorescent, plastic,
luffed what toy like, can weput it in? It feels almost like
like that. It's just it's it'sodd, and like the design of the
bike itself feels odd. It feelslike an afterthought in a way, like
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they wanted to design the car andthey got that, They're like, oh,
we got to have the wheel portion, let's put this bike together.
It's just there's not a lot ofdecoration on it. There's it's like a
solid green body and then you've gotsilver for the struts and wheels, and
then that's it. You know,there's nothing else to make it stand out.
I wanted to see how the instructionswent or this transformation. And when
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I started looking at the transformation,the car top basically comes off the motorcycle
aspect of this is kind of separated, so it just pushes together and then
the sides of the car fold downto create a hovercraft. And it's almost
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way too simplistic. Well, andthat makes the hovercraft look awkward. Yeah,
yeah, it the hovercraft doesn't looklike a hovercraft. It just looks
like a it's like a box orsome sort. It's like a drink holder
to me, right, So yeah, that's a miss Um Dynamo. I
think is probably for me one ofthe strongest strongest ones of the line because
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I like both it's offer vehicle formand I like the turbine chopper and a
salt cart as well, because aturbine chopper it's basically a helicopter with the
blade comes down and you know,it looks like a kind of like an
ultra light. Yeah. And thenthe assault cart, I don't know,
calling it an asualt cart is weirdbecause it looks to me more like a
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hovercraft or like an overcrap like ajet pack, doesn't it to you?
Yeah, Like looking at this pictureof it, it does look like a
jet pack. However, I don'tknow because that was one that I was
questioning that how they had it built. So it looks like I can't tell
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if it Okay, So you've gotso looking at the instructions here, Okay,
you've got the vehicle, the Dynamooff road vehicle and conventional mode,
and then it goes into the Dynamoturbo turbine chopper and assault cart and flight
packs and so I was trying tofigure out, like it's a flight packs
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extra. So I guess the assaultcart breaks apart and you end up with
two flight packs. But then ifyou put the flight packs together, you
get the cart. So basically thewheel portion of this is the cart,
The canopy part folds down on top, and then the actual wings and motor
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are the motor and the fenders ofthis thing. It's interesting because I think
there's like information wise. Yeah,the cart breaks into two, so you
can have two I guess like hovercraftbackpacks jet packs, but the wheels are
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thrusters. Yeah, I have noidea. Yeah, it's it was cool.
I don't know how well thought outit is. Fire force is not
bad. You know, I likethe feel. I like the design of
the fior Fierro was always one ofmy favorite cards until I found out that
they would, you know, blowup. Yeah, but nobody. It's
funny, you say they blow upand this one has a tell bomb and
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bumper cannon. Yeah exactly, It'slike they knew. Um. But but
I kind of like the designs ofboth of these vehicles. The glider craft
you know, looks like what itis, and the you know, the
three wheeled chopper basically it looks likeexactly like what it is. I actually
like that a lot. Yeah,the the the actual glider reminded me a
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lot of the transformation of the Firebird. So there were aspects not the Firebird,
the one I got you, thepurple one that had the villain.
Um, oh my goodness, hangon, I'm drawing up blank hang on,
Manta the Manta. Yes, itreminds me a little bit of that
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in some of the build and howit it opens up. So I definitely,
I definitely appreciated the some of thetransformation on this. I felt like
it had quite a bit to offer. I agree, I agree. I
think this is one of the strongerones of the line as well. Ye,
Skybolt again also very cool. Itreminds me a little bit of the
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one, which one is it?Is it the the Meteor which is a
stunt jet? That what it was? It the Meteor turns it's a stunt
jet that turns into another jet orsomething like that. Yeah, it's like
a snunt jet and a launcher.Yeah that from the last wave. Yeah,
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yeah, it reminds me a littlebit of that. Only I think
this one actually works better. It'sa fighter jet that turns into a jet
plane and a thruster car, whichwe talked about. This one know is
interesting because we've got the color schemehere looks very much like G I.
Joe. It's camouflaged. It's likedesert camouflage, which we haven't gotten from
a mask line. And it doesn'tIt really makes even less sense when you've
got so many that have these brightknee on colors right as well. Right,
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but again, the only ones thatreally have the neon colors are the
bad guys, right, So thisone, being Matt Tracker, cannot be
a bad guy of course. Yeah. But but but you know, but
I agree there. But you knowwhat's funny is that the jet it looks
a little bit like a lawn dartor like a turkey baster, so they
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were kind of reaching with this one. I don't mind it, but it
definitely does not It's not as effortlessas the last two we talked about,
as the fire Force and the Dynamo. Definitely, the Stiletto I think is
probably spoiler Aler maybe my favorite one, because we you know, we get
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a Lamborghini, which is cool,and then we get a raid plane and
an attack chopper which are very different, and they actually looked like they would
do what they would do that.The only problem I have with it is
the blade on the attack chopper doesn'tcome up too far above the the canopy,
but I guess it doesn't really matteras long as it clears a canopy.
I think. I think what Iwrote on on this one on one
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of my original list, with thewhite and some of the stickers that they
chose to put on it, itreminded me of a reused design that they
had from RoboCop Ultra Force. Yeah. I can see that obviously. Can
that are the transformers yeah? Ortransformers yeah? But again, you know,
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I actually like this idea though,because the raid plane looks like it
might actually work, you know,if you've got thrusters on it, and
the chopper looks like it would work. And it's one vehicle that turns into
two completely different vehicles. You've gota land vehicle that turns into two flying
vehicles. Now, I think itwould have been more interesting had, like
maybe the raid plane been a sub, so you've got land, air,
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and sea all together. Yeah,kind of like the sub from James Bond.
Yes, it looks a little bitlike that too. It does,
so I think it could have veryeasily. They could have said, you
know, it's a submarine. Fine, but but I do like that.
I don't I don't love the whitepaint, but it but it works.
And again, like you said,the decals that got going down the side,
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it works, okay. Barracuda whichagain also known as the jackal Um.
Yeah, this one. I don'tlike anything about this one. I
don't like the color scheme. Idon't like that. You really don't get
two vehicles. You basically one sideof the motorcycle. The body of the
motorcycle flips up and becomes a gliderlike a like an air catamaran, and
(33:37):
then the bottom the bottom portion ofthe cycle becomes the launcher. Yeah,
but I guess you still got roomfor somebody to ride in there. I
don't know, I just does therey. Do you have any thoughts on this
one that that I'm missings or somethingI'm missing or is this this is really
as lame as it seems, thisone. It's like one of those where
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it's like, you know, asfar as like effort on this. The
stealth mode motorcycle is designed, Okay, it feels a little oversized for the
figure with the way it's put together. But then when you get to the
glider and motorcycle part, the motorcyclereminds me of the terminator robots from They
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were like motorcycle terminator robots from Salvation, So they feel very nondescript. So
the seat that you put the figurein feels very nondescript. I guess it's
split second. But then once theair gliders set into a catamaran, how
in the world does your figure flylike it? It doesn't make any sense.
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Okay, so it's not just me, no, okay. And then
the vandal, which we we've talkedabout a little bit. You know it
reconcraft and dirt tractor. So youbasically got a a bulldozer that turns into
a tractor. And I will admitthe the glider or whatever it's called,
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the what is it, the reconcraft. The glider actually looks really cool.
I happen to like the set thedirt tractor with the firing missile, and
like the little target window that popsup the dirt tractor looks like the the
ATV you were talking about before.Kind of reminds me of that of that
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vehicle. Okay, yeah, yeah, I could see that, but I
kind of like there's a part ofit that kind of likes us. The
helmet on the figure is a littleodd us trying to find the the Floyd
Maloy with the buckshot mask. Themask itself is is very weird. Like
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if you look at the mask onthe figure, the bottom of the mask
becomes eyeballs for the skull um.It's just it's so odd. They were
trying to go. They were tryingto go, really, they were trying
to go really edgy and intense andit didn't work. It looks like an
alien. Yeah it does, itreally does. Yeah. Yeah, I
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don't know. This one is isI have less a problem with this one
than I do some of the otherVenom vehicles. But it's still not great.
But I do like the design thatthe design of the front loader looks
really cool. It's just odd,like why, you know, why why
why that? Because it's not speedy. I just I don't get it.
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And then we had the wolf Beast, which we talked about. The wolf
Beast turns into a tank and aflying shuttle, and you know, the
flying shuttle looks kind of cool,but it's odd that the canopy does it
swivel? What what am I lookingat here? So the canopy flips over
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and becomes a gun or seat.This doesn't feel like a shuttle as much
as it does some sort of likelike jet ski, sort of like speed
boat. Right. It reminds memore of a boat than anything else.
Right. And and there are noboats in this, which is odd because
we did have some in the otherlines. Um. So yeah, this
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is the second vehicle that could havewould have been better served by saying,
hey, this is a boat insteadof this is some sort of flying machine
this um. This vehicle is alsoone of the other vehicles that has the
the artwork that actually has some sortof background of storytelling, but it was
also only a UK, right vehiclefrom what I could tell. And then
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and the tank on it looks verynondescript, looks very generic. There's no
paint app there's no stick decals oranything that I can see from this photo,
just blue plastic with the spiky tires, right, and two lasers.
And the lasers are hot pink forsome reason. Yeah, they're like laser
missiles, but they have spikes onit, like, um, what was
it air raiders? Yeah, withtheir giant sized missiles. It's kind of
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like that, but hot pink.Weird. Yeah, that that's that's the
line folks. We had Again,we had to we we won't discuss the
two that didn't get released because wedon't have a lot of information on them,
and to be honest, I don'tthink they bear discussing at all.
Um, So let's take a shortbreak and we'll be back to discuss our
top five from the line, assumingTaylor can come up with some Okay,
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Okay, Taylor, So since youseem to be winging it, um,
I'm gonna let you go first.Okay. Let's Mask is my second favorite
toy line of all time despite this, you know, this kerfuffle with this,
with this, with this wave.So I'll let you go first.
So what's your number five? Mynumber five is going to be the sky
Bolt. Okay um. I reallylike it in it's it's vehicle form.
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I think that it performs admirably thereand you know, it's got camouflaged so
it feels like a jet fighter whenit transforms. So it just it does
feel a little off. I canunderstand a lot of the aspect of it,
and I feel like it's an interestingtransformation, but it's just not my
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favorite of the series. I thinkthat it works as far as having something
lands, something vehicle, and thenof course having like one of the original
heroes of the first series and secondseries and on as your your main person
feels that kind of a must have, I guess for a series. But
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it's not, in my opinion,the best design out of this part of
the series. You know, Iget that completely. Again, I'm not
gonna say much because it's gonna spoilersshow up on my list. My number
five is Believing or Not the Detonator, And the only reason that it's on
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my list, I don't care forit. But the only reason that's on
my list it's it's it's a tributeto my brother because it looks like a
Zoomer Boomer. That's the only reason, okay, And that tells you how
much I like the rest of thevehicles in this line. Is the one
that I that I ripped apart.One of the ones I ripped apart the
most is my number five. Thatshould tell you something. And that's all
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I'm gonna say about it's air becauseit looks like a zoomer Boomer. Reminds
me of my brother, and that'snot a bad thing. So we're gonna
go with that. Okay. Sowhat is your number four? So my
number four is actually the wolf Beast, you know, sprain yourself, the
Corvette Stingray part of it. I'mactually kind of cool with. I like
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the look of it. I think, for me, how it changes the
innovation of how the can it beturned out and underneath to basically create a
gunning station and the helmet for MilesMayhem, I think look really cool.
There's aspects of this that really felland I mean when I say felt,
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it like falls flat on its face. For design, it just doesn't work.
But that cannot be innovation where itbasically flips out. I think it's
kind of a genius thing, andwe haven't seen something on this level before.
The where it definitely fails is thechassis, and the secondary vehicle suffers
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from not having any detail work thatmakes it stand out or become unique.
And the fact that the top isjust an air glider when it looks more
like a hydroflo or some sort ofboat. I think as one of those
where they really probably should have thoughtthrough some more of the design. Also,
the design of Miles makes it alittle off, like it's it's a
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cool design, and I like thelook of the very punk rock sort of
look, but it doesn't work forMiles Mayhem. And I think that's the
part where I feel like the designersthemselves didn't understand the original material to begin
with. Like it feels like anew set of people coming in to make
these, right. Okay, soI heard everything you said. I agree,
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But you think this is better thanthe Skybolt? Yes, okay,
fair enough. Well one number fouris the afterburner, and you know we
talked about this a little bit.I actually really like this design. The
only reason it's not higher is becauseit seems a little flimsy because everything is
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so small and stretched out. ButI do, I really love this design.
This is what I wouldn't mind havingon my shelf because I do.
I love the color scheme and everything, and it works. It looks this
feels like something from Mask to meright, just at a glance. So
that's it's it's my number four.I love the color sh cheme. Dusty
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Hayes is one of my favorite charactersfrom the line. Um even though the
figure looks like a nightmare, umI do. I love the hot pink
with the with like the the turquoiseish color scheme of the the glider or
the jet rather and I just likeit the way it works in the way
and and you know the box artas well. It looks cool, looks
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like it's at a drag strip andit's taking off from the drag strip,
which is really cool. I digit. That's my number four. Okay,
yeah, it's a it's a coolvehicle. Um my, So we're
on number three right, yep,Yes, my number three is the Stiletto.
Um. I like this vehicle alot. I think it's it's got
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some really cool design I'm not quitesure about the cruise missile part of it
or the the what is it theI guess the glider, the rai plane,
that's what it is. The raveplane feels a little off, like
it's kind of squished together, andwhen you look at the instructions, it's
just taking one side from one vehicle, another side from another vehicle, just
smack it together, putting the figureinside. I think I would have preferred
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this not to be white, becauseit now it feels more like something from
RoboCop than something from Mask. Well, and they could What they could have
done is painted the middle section adifferent color or the outer section of a
different color. They could have donea red stripe down the center so each
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so the raid plane would have beenwhite and the attack chopper could have been
a red and that would have solvedeverything right there and made it different enough
that it would have made it standout. Yeah, or even vice versa.
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Agreed. Again, I'm not gonnasay much because it's gonna show up
on my list a little later on, and folks to be expected with the
line the small Yeah, so mynumber three is the sky bold So clearly
I like it better than you do. I love the g that it looks
like, and it's planet form.It looks like a Gijo vehicle. You
could see it on your shelf andbe like, that looks like a Gijo
vehicle. But it's a little small. The only reason it's not higher is
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because I actually like the fact thatthe jet plane looks like a dart and
the thruster car is okay. Ijust feel like they could have done a
better job of hiding the rear,like the aff, the tail fin or
whatever you want to call it,on the plane. I think they could
have probably left that on the planeas a part of the jet and let
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let the let it be separate fromthe from the thruster car. But other
than that, I really like thisone. I think the design of the
plane is great, and I thinkthat there was a really good use of
of the design of the plane inboth vehicles. So that's like I said,
it's my number three. Everything yousaid about it is correct. I'm
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just adding my part of it toit, so I dig it. Okay,
all right, we're on my numbertwo, which I chose. The
backlash. I'm sorry, that's themask the afterburner. Sorry about that.
The afterburner. What Dusty hayes withthe backlash, I think for me,
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like the design of the nose launchersa little it's a little iffy. The
cannon that's like on high stilts thatdrives around, that's a little odd for
me. Dusty's design is a littleodd. But the design of the jet
I think is really really really cool, and it's it's enough to kind of
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like make me really like this becauseof that design. And then to top
it off, the fact that ithas a tell bomb or like a bomb
dropping piece on it as well isI think pretty cool. Um the the
actual drags are the way that youget the figure in is loading them in
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from the bottom up into the jet, and then of course the other figure
sits into the um the cannon andthen the canopy comes down. So it's
like the way that this is setup. When it splits off, it
really does feel like it splits fromone another, which is nice. It
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is it is that that's what thisThat's what the line should have been,
right, you know everything you knowyou mentioned about the the stiletto being you
know, having to take the twopieces apart and snap them together. I
don't like that, but I'd liketo design them. I'll talk about why
I give it a pass when Italk about it later. But you're right,
that's why you know that that thatone feels the most like a mask
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vehicle. Yes, with the exceptionof maybe my number two, number one.
My number two is the fire Force. You know. I like it,
babe, because it's a Fiarrero.I just I've always loved the design
of the Fear at least from anesthetic standpoint, not from a safety standpoint.
Those of who don't know Fiarrero's.The engine was in the back and
so if he got rear ended,the car was going to blow up.
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And it was right behind the driver'sseat, right behind the seats. Yeah.
So yeah, my friend Damien hada Fiarrero and I was like writing
it it until I realized what washappening, and then I got scared.
But but I love everything about this. When the design of the black the
black pain on the vehicle with thedetailing, it looks, you know,
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sort of like a like a heartbeatdetailing on it is really cool. It's
very eighties. I just I likeit a lot. And the two vehicles,
the glidercraft and the three wheel chopperI think they both worked well.
I think these are of the vehicles, of the secondary vehicles. I think
these are the two that I thinkworked the best with probably the afterburn or
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the detonator. Maybe I know theafterburner being a close second, but I
think these two worked the best asseparate vehicles on their own. Okay.
The only thing I don't like aboutit is that chopper has that you know
trail, that the bumper on theback, and you said that was kind
of exploding, right, So that'ssort of it's it's weapon. So I
don't mind that as much. Ithink it's a pretty ingenious design and I
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dig it. So that's why it'smy number two. Okay, so that
brings us to your number one.My number one is a dynamo. That's
also my number one. Yeah,it's it's I feel like this one has
probably the best transformation, the bestuse of its parts, even the even
though it's a little odd, buteven the cart, the assault cart being
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able to break apart to make twojet packs. It's a good use of
all the pieces. In my opinion. Bruce Azzo is not completely annoying with
the suit, right, It's it'sone of the better ones. I agree,
even though that the mask is reallyodd. The mask feels like almost
(50:07):
like who was the character that theywrote on the robot that turned into the
like the mopad t Bob tea Bob. It feels like tea Bob. Yeah,
so it's a little odd, butI guess it works. You know,
it's not it's not assaulting to theeyes. It doesn't feel but it
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does have handles. It's odd.It looks more Yeah, it looks more
like you know what it reminds meof. It reminds me of Vincent from
the Black Hole. I could seethat. Yeah. One thing we didn't
talk about with this one that we'lltalk about now is the color scheme,
especially on the front of it.I really like that sort of looks like
a microchip or a motherboard or somethingon there on the front of the vehicle.
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Yes, yeah, I look thata lot. And the color what
color is that? Is that?Is it orange or is it it's like
a fluorescent orange. It's almost likea uh, like a florescent salmon.
But it's yeah, floresce and salmon. That's a good way to put it,
because it's not orange, because it'snot super super bright, just bright
enough. It still feels like maskto me. Yeah, but not hardcore
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pink. It's not hot pink.It's like a florescet, like red orange
or or salmon. I guess it'sthe best. It's bright and it's fun
and it's funky, but it's notannoying, right, agreed. You know
I'm the the other vehicle, thethe assault cart, could I think work
(51:34):
a little better, But everything elseabout it works so well that I don't
really mind. And in fact,if you look at the if you look
at the picture on the box,it it's weird. It's like the photo
that they've got. He looks likehe's wearing it, but I think he's
supposed to be sitting in it.Yes, yeah, it's so so,
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yeah it is. It's like acar. Okay, so this works Actually
this actually works better. Yeah.It breaks into it breaks into halves.
Yeah, I actually went to lookat the directions. It breaks in halves
and then one side has a cannon, the other side has a cannon.
So the cart as it drives canhave a cannon fold out in the front
and a cannon fold out in theback. But you can also break that
apart and then snap it to onefigure and then snap it to another,
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so I could have jet packs,so you could service up to three figures
with this one vehicle. Yes youcould. So that all the more reason
for it to be my number one, right, I have no qualms now
about it being my number one.So that's our number one. So I
ask me, I have to talkabout the one that got away? So
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which one of these have you eitherseen in a store and didn't buy and
we she did, or if youcould find it, you would snap it
up in a heartbeat. So don'tyell at me on this one. I
think for me, if if Iwas able to come across one that was
complete, and it's one of thosewhere it's like I've got to get this
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one complete. Um. I likethe character design a lot. The masks
that works with it is very odd, but it works with the suit and
the design. And even though I'mnot as big of a fan of the
stealth mode, I love the twovehicle mode and that is the bandle with
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Floyd Malloy. Um, I lovelike the the recon craft. So the
like jet well, and you likeheavy machinery, Let's be honest, you
like you like bulldozers. Don't yousure? Yeah, sure that was a
Tonka kid, of course you were, Um, yeah, I just you
know, the front the front loaderthings like, but I love the way
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that it transforms, Like I lovethe fact. Okay, so first we're
getting something we'd never get, youknow who. It's like, who would
thought that a front loader would becomea mass vehicle. It's like, well,
you're working the docks, you gotthis thing. All of a sudden,
Hey, this thing transforms and takesover the dock and steals all the
precious cargo. It kind of canmake sense. And I love the attack
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cart. I think it's quirky andkind of fun. And even the fact
that the front of it has likefour little cannons, so it has you
know, the missile launcher with thelittle scope on the window, but that's
got four little pop out cannons onthe very front. And the reconcraft,
the actual jet I think just looksreally really cool. It's like a small
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ultra light leer jet. It shouldn'twork, but it does. You're right,
it shouldn't work, and it's becauseit doesn't know. It's fine if
that's your thing, you know what, and you know what that would be
an interesting conversation piece. Why whydo you have a what do you have
a bulldozer? An earth mover?Why do you have this front loader thing
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on your shelf? Oh? Letme tell you're right? Well, mine,
if you haven't figured it out,is a stiletto. I understand your
issues with it, you know,having to snap the two sides apart and
put them together, But the factremains that all three vehicle modes work for
me. I love the Lamborghini.I think it looks great. It looks
like a Lamborghini. And if youjust look at the two things separately,
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you know one is an attack shopperbecause it's got the propellers. The other
one you could be forgiven for thinkingit's a sea vessel of some sort,
or a boat or or a submarine. It really does like the sub from
James Bond. It does, Itreally does. But like you said,
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the only thing that I don't likeabout it really is the fact that it's
white. But even that doesn't botherme because everything else works. And you
mentioned the decals that they've got onit. I think there's enough splashes of
color here and there on it thatI really like it. And is it
looks like maybe it makes me thelightning, but it looks like the canopy
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the windshield is purple. Purple.Yeah, and I figured you would be
all about that. Yeah, Imean it's it's purple. Um, it
just doesn't have the right amount ofpurple, which would have been like most
of the vehicle set with orange andthen a purple suit with like a bright
(56:27):
you know, fluorescent pink hat thatgoes on and becomes eyeballs. Right,
It's like this one has purple,and I'm like, yeah, but it
doesn't have like a lot of purple. No, but it's got enough,
so all right. So so thereyou have it, folks. That's those
are our thoughts on the split secondportion of the mathe mask line. I
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can't believe we got almost an hourout of that. But um, you
know, bad mask is still mask. But some of this stuff is really
really bad. I don't know ifI can give any of it a pass.
I don't know if I can givethe worst of it a pass just
for being masked. But the stuffthat I did like, I do really
like, and I you know,it's it's it's a shame that this this
(57:14):
is like the last season of youryour favorite TV show where they should have
ended it a season or two earlier, but they continued. It's like the
last season of Night Cord. Thatseason is horrible, but there are some
really funny episodes. This is nota great way, but there are some
really cool toys in this in thiswave. Yeah, and honestly, like
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thinking about like, given the twothings that UM didn't come out the Thunderball,
not only do I like that name, but looking at the figure and
the cross sell art of it,I actually kind of think that this would
have been cool to have. UM. It kind of has a Computer Warriors
vibe to it. It does feellike some of the the stationary transforming pieces
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from the last line of masks,but this would have even been one that
I would have liked to have seen. But I feel like some of this
became a little too little, toolate sort of thing, and they just
couldn't get kids behind it exactly exactly. So, folks, we'd love to
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hear your thoughts on this line,and especially if you have some of these.
I do want to see pictures andI'd like to see how they how
they work in action, So aheadto the Facebook page and let us know
what you think in post those photosuntil next time for talking toys with Taylor
and Jeff. I'm Taylor and I'mJeff. Remember they're not dolls. They're
action figures. Action figures with seethrough copies of themselves. Do you think
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they started out as computer warriors waytoo? I don't think so, or
maybe even way one. Maybe Idon't know. Good folks, I'm gonna
stop. I'm gonna stop. I'mgonna stop thinking about it. Thank you
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In the mid to mid to lateeighties. There was a toy line by
Kenner that we've talked about on theshow before, the toy line his Mask.
I'm not going to bury the lead. I loved these toys so much
so that I got in trouble overthem the first time I got one.
I think I mentioned that in theshow before. If not, I'll tell
it another time. But to myknowledge, there were only there were two
waves of vehicles for this line.I was never aware of the nineteen eighty
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seven racing series third Wave, whichwe talked about on the show previously,
nor was I aware of the fourthseries called Split Seconds. And I have
to tell you, folks, I'mkind of glad I wasn't. The more
I learned about these, the moreI liked them. But then the more
I'm reminded of how Kenner sort oflost the thread. There's very few times
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when I would say a toy linejumped the shark, but I think this
might be it. And folks,I think Taylor might actually agree with me.
The line I'm talking about, asI've given away his mask, the
Split Seconds fourth Wave. That's whyI'm here talking toys. Welcome to talking
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Toys with Taylor and Jeff, wherewe go back in time to discuss our
favorite toys, one toy line ata time. Hello, and welcome to
Talking Toys with Taylor and Jeff.I'm Taylor and I'm Jeff. And yeah,
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before we started, folks, Taylorsaid, you know, I've been
going back and forth. I hadmy top five list and I threw it
out. I have my top fivelist. I threw it out. I'm
kind of on defense about this one. I was like, I don't know
what you mean. You mean youcan't come up with the top five.
He said, no, I'm gonnawing it. And I was like,
well, that's every show. There'snot every show. I said, well
ninety five percent of the shows andhe said, yeah, that's accurate.
So that that tells you the amountof prep that Taylor puts into. Well,
(02:16):
so, so I did you knowit was one of those because we
we've had this, like we knewwe were going to go through all the
Mass series at one point, andas I had been looking at this,
I was like, I don't Idon't get it. Like, I don't,
I don't understand the the you knowwhat they're like, you know,
usually with a toy, like especiallyif you have an established toy line that
(02:38):
has kind of a story, maybea cartoon or a comic attached to it,
and you kind of get the gistof what the toy is saying,
the story of it, you know, right, And I was looking at
this one and I'm like, Idon't I don't understand the premise of this,
and I think it comes with thisduplicate thing that that's going on,
(03:00):
right, Okay, So so solet's let's get the folks to load it
on if they don't know. So, so the split second series from mask,
the vehicles still sort of transform,but what you really get is you
get two smaller vehicles that combine toform a larger vehicle. Sometimes that that
one of those smaller vehicles just isjust a glider, So it's sort of
(03:27):
a loose definition of two vehicles.You also get two figures with each one,
but one figure is sort of monochromaticand see through because that figure is
supposed to be a computer projection ofthe pilot of the vehicle. Is that
that's that's it, right, Yeah, it's it's so it's it came with
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the driver and then a mask andthen they're splitting image. So the second
figure that was see through was theresplitting image, and that was to drive
the second vehicle. You know,I'm going to read this from maskforce dot
com. This is a good agood synopsis of it. The fourth and
final series was known as Split Seconds. It was released in late eighty seven
and included nine vehicles and two furtherunreleased vehicles. The series was unique as
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all vehicles would transform and split ie. Split Seconds into two vehicles seconds
driven by the agent and their computerimage. None of the vehicles were seen
in the mass TV show no datacontributor to the untimely cancelation of Mask.
So, yeah, you didn't evenget two characters. You get two figures,
but only one character because it wasthe driver and they're basically a hologram
for lack of a bit of word, right, right, yes, And
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it was it was basically to drive. So they had like one overall vehicle
that was like a regular vehicle,and that broke into two parts, so
like the shell of a vehicle mightbe a glider, and then the other
vehicle might actually be like a roadsterthat's missing like the body of the vehicle
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or fist to Cef Burner is ais a dragster and it splits into a
stealth jet and a cannon launcher,So you didn't even really get two vehicles.
No, and it's weird. Oneof the things that they say on
the Albert Pinello dot com for MassToys, which I'm so glad that he's
kept that up, which I thinkhas been invaluable to us. Oh yeah,
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I love this because what he says, and we may be saying that
we're going maybe Pineo because it's anElo, could be Albertine. If we're
mispronouncing that, Albert, please letus know. And I'm so sorry if
I am me too. I've beensaying it that way for years. It
says from a toy standpoint, manyof these really lacked imagination. You can
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also see the genesis of the linein the meter, which probably was the
weakest of the third series. It'slike one of those words like looking at
them, there's not a lot oftransformation. It's kind of like pieces more
or less like they just stack onone another right to kind of closed down,
and they really do feel like it'skind of a second rate ideas what
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it feels like to me and Ithink you'll agree. It feels to me
like this was a like an ideafor a different toy line that was retrofitted
to mask. Yeah, you knowhow how die Hard with a Vengeance is
a standalone story that was retrofitted tobe a John McLean die Hard story.
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Yep, that's what this feels like. Either that or they just ran out
of ideas and they said, well, this is what we've got. But
but I would be willing to betif we could dig deep enough, we
would find out that this was anidea for a different toy line, that
this will let's just throw the masklabel on it and use mask characters and
we've got a built an audience.Except that, from my understanding, it
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had pretty bad distribution. Yeah,I never saw any of these. Yeah,
a lot of so when I wasgoing through and I was looking at
the boxes, because he has itto where it has box front, box
back, and then you've got picturesof everything, including the figures, but
a lot of the box front areUK, UK UK. There's US,
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but a lot of them are UK. And I believe a lot of this
probably ended up overseas and we didn'tactually get here. So, like the
afterburner, which is pretty cool looking, at least a jet portion. It's
boxes labeled UK, and there's afew other in here that it's like the
Stiletto. I was like, hey, that's a pretty cool one also UK.
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So it seems like some of theheavier hitting ones, ones that are
kind of, you know, kindof a nod to coolness, didn't even
make the stakes. And I couldhave sworn that there was another vehicle called
Stiletto in the line earlier, butI I believe so, I thought so,
well, but I could not findit. Maybe it was the Stinger
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that we were thinking of. Iknow that there's because what's drivers that for
the stiletto on? Oh you knowwhat that you know what um sly Racks's
mask was called the Stiletto. Okay, that's what it was. That's what
it was. I could never findit. Yeah, So yeah, and
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so okay, so real quickly,Well we'll go give the folks a rundown.
We had the Afterburner, the Detonator, Dynamo, fire Force, sky
Bold, Stiletto, Barracuda, Vandal, and wolf Beast, which wolf Beast
is I don't know, I don'tunderstand that name. And then yeah.
And then we had two more,the Thunderball and ramp Up that did not
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get produced, and they I cankind of see why they look they're not
great. It's kind of like thesign. Yeah, ramp Up was a
powerlift and a fighting tank and Thunderballwas a holding tank and a high rise
gunner station. So they really yeah, they these had to have been that
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one seems more like mask than anythingelse. But still just they're they're just
they're not great. Um no thoughI think you know, going back to
remember the last series that had allthe racing them and we had the sign
that broke open, Yes, andit had these would go really well with
that. They would so real quick, so I'll just go through real quick.
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We had the Afterburner, which wasa dragster and it popped apart to
make a stealth jet and a cannonlauncher, and it came with Dusty Hayes,
so it was one of the goodguy ships or vehicles. The Detonator
came with Jacques Lafleur, so it'sit's it's a venom vehicle, and it
was a Volkswagen bug that turned intoa hovercraft and a tag bike. We
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had the Dynamo, which came withBruce Sotos, so it was a mask
vehicle and it came with It wasan off road vehicle that became a turbine
chopper and an assault cart cart.Then we had fire Force, which came
with Julio Lopez, and I honestlycan't remember if he's a good guy or
a bad guy. I think he'sa good guy. I think so based
on the college scheme. And itwas a Pontiac Fierro which transformed into a
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glider craft and a three wheel chopper, which is pretty cool. We had
Skybolt, which came with Matt Tracker, so it was of course one of
the good guys. It was afighter jet that became a jet plane,
and a thruster car. I'm noteven sure what a thruster car is,
Taylor, have you ever heard ofthat term? Kind of from the looks
of it, it looks kind oflike a like a Formula one type car
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with three wheels instead of four.Yeah, but I believe a thruster car
is like a car that has ajet engine on it. Oh, okay,
that makes sense. Yeah. Andof course we had the Stiletto,
which came with Gloria Baker, Soit was a mask vehicle, and it
was a Lamborghini that became a raidplane and an attack chopper. We had
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the Barracuda, also known as aJackal, which came with Bruno Shepherd,
so it's also a venom vehicle.It was a jet cycle that became a
jet glider and a booster cycle.And I guess the booster cycle. You
use the booster cycle to let thelet the jet glider go. I guess,
so, yeah, that's wasn't didn'tBruno Didn't he have the um the
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motorcycle in the first series that wasa helicopter. I don't think so.
Maybe so, I don't, butI don't think no. He yeah,
yes, did he know? Hehad the ATV. He had the at
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Okay, yeah, you're thinking ofyeah, you're thinking of Floyd Malloy.
Okay, yeah, brilliant. Hecame with the he came with the Vandal,
that's right. Yeah, And andFloyd Malloy came with the Vampire.
I think I think it was calledYeah, which the Vandal was a frontloader,
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a what do you call it?Bulldozer? Basically it became a recon
craft and dirt tractor. It's likea Bobcat sort of frontloader, a dirt
tractor. Dirt Venom is farming nowa dirt tractor. And then finally we
had the Wolf Beast, which camewith Miles Mayhem. So obviously it's a
Venom vehicle and it was a Corvettesting ray with oversized wheels. It became
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a tank and a flying shuttle.So you mentioned the Yeah, I mentioned
in my story time about this iswhere the line sort of jumped the shark,
and we'll see any toy line thatgoes for any length of time.
I think Star Wars avoided this forthe most part. In the original series.
Some of the mini rigs got alittle weird, but that's I think
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as bad as it went. GI Joe didn't hit this point until about
way of seven or eight. Itwas a good seven or eight years into
the line before everything started getting neon. Yeah. Masters of the Universe hit
it right around Wave three, tailend of Way two, first part of
Wave three, and Mask here aswell. That you just sort of lose
the concept. You do as muchas you can with the concept, and
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then you think, okay, wellwe've got to do something new. Let's
do this and what you have issomething that doesn't really feel like anything that
came before it, and as aresult, it doesn't feel like an extension
of the line. It just feelslike it doesn't belong. I think you
kind of agree with that, right, yeah, yeah, this this very
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much feels like the meteoroids for Mastersof the Universe. It's those are around
animals, right, They're there,and I guess you can collect them,
but you're not really out of pocketif you do, because didn't really fit
with anything else, Like these don'treally feel like they fit with anything else
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in the line, correct. Theonly thing about these that make them look
some of them in their vehicle forumlook like they belong with the rest of
the Mask vehicles, and we'll talkabout it as we go along. Some
of them don't, though, someof them, specifically the Wolf Beast,
to me, the Wolf Beast andthe Vandal don't look like they belong with
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the Mask toy line. And Ithink the Wolf Beast is because it's got
those oversized wheels. It looks likesomething from the nineties, and the color
scheme that's sort of bright blue withthe regular it looks like something from the
from the early nineties, do youremember there? So there was a toy
line that Hasbro had that was kindof like the resurgence of Mask. And
I think I've gotten you like oneof the vehicles, Yes you did.
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Some of these vehicles remind me oflike colors scheme and design. Yes,
those vehicles. I don't either,but I've I've got it. It's I've
got it. It's really cool.It looks more like a Mask vehicle because
its color scheme is a little moremuted. Right, It's silver with something
like a slatish blue, like ablue green color scheme to it. It
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looks like it could belong with Mask, right, But wolf Beast. Wolf
Beast just doesn't to me at all. And neither it is a Vandal because
for starters we talked about it,it's it's a bulldozer, an earth mover
and it's like magenta and yellow.I kind of like the color scheme,
like, well, the color schemeis not bad, but it's not Mask.
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No, at least at least not. The Vandal is more mask than
than the than the wolf Beast,but Barracuda is not at all that Neon
yellow just does not work for me. No, And again it's reaching up
at this point. I mean,because what you're that was and the and
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the detonator is the same thing detonatorthat that sort of fuchia with with green
on the front, basically the Venomvehicles. I was gonna say, it
looks like all the bad guy vehiclesare the ones that suffer from that that
future color. Yeah, which kindof makes me wonder, I'm gonna look
at this one, the fire Force, Uh, I guess it's still yeah,
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fire Force, fire Force. Yeah, with the Fiarreau. I'm looking
to see if it's a good guyor a bad guy. But it looks
like it's a good guy. Butit has some some neon and that that
kind of yeah, but it's alittle more muted. It's black with the
neon it it fits in more withthe mask line. Um, but yeah,
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I don't know. So let's talka little bit about the figures real
quick then. So the figures aresuffering much the same fate the figures.
The color scheme and everything just doesn'twork for me. They look space age
and they look they look more likesomething out of Chris Star not even look
talking about the holograms, the hologramsdefinitely look at something out of Chris Star,
but the figures themselves. It's DustyHayes really suffers from this. If
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you look, he's got like goldlike bullets, like a bandolier going like
three times around him, or somethingwith an orange some sort of orange jacket.
It's it's an odd, odd look. It's very odd. And I
can't tell. Is his clothing allripped up too? Looks like it.
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I'm not sure if it's supposed toor not, but it looks like it.
And then I guess these are arelike tassels or some sort of knots
on the side of his pants.Yeah, I have no idea, That's
what I'm saying. This whole thingis weird. I don't understand it.
It confuses me. And this mustbe what my dad felt like when I
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tried to teach him how to playvideo games. It confuses me, which
angers me. Yeah, but buteven and again the color scheam, but
like Dusty his color scheme, it'sit's awful. Um, he's got these
hammer pants on. If you lookat like Julio Lopez, he is less
egregious, but still he's got likehe's Julio looks like what's the bar keeps
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name on Brave Star. Oh handlebar. Yeah, tell me, he
doesn't look like handle bar. It'slike like candle bar. He's even got
the mustache, and you've got thecuffs around his around his upper arms.
Let's see an old West bartender.Bruce Soto is not that bad. Um
his I feel like it is okay, But even Matt Trackers feels really off
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with that just dark white suit.There's nothing in there that makes it feel
like Matt Tracker, you know.Yeah, yeah, Bruce, Bruce Sottos
looks more like it looks quite abit like them, the white and blue
outfit that he had with his likeAlpine Climbers year or whatever. Yes,
but but it's but still he's gotthose you know where what is this thing
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he's wearing. He's wearing like ait's like he's wearing a carburetor or something.
Yeah, and it's it's weird becauseit's almost it almost feels like something
a little bit more out of Dinowriters. Yeah, and he's got that
pink, that random pink you know, strap horn around his leg around his
leg, which is just so odd. It's it's weird. It's almost like
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they designed the hologram and this,Okay, how can we retrofit this again
as a concept. I don't mindit. I think it's a decent concept,
but it's not mask, right.I do like Floyd Malloy. I
think his suit design everything looks actuallypretty cool because he's got like a big
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skull like like wrapped into his armwith no that is it's it's cool.
But again, it's cool, butit's it's sloppy. Yeah, it almost
looks accidental, but it is cool. I like that design. But again,
and like even Miles Mayhem, youknow, he's the generalize like he's
a general of of venom, andyet here he looks like a punk rocker.
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And this is someone who before waswearing suits and stuff, you know,
and like military gear, was wearinglike military gear. Yeah, but
he's got you know, some sortof punk rocker armor with a bug on
the front of his his suit.Which yeah, it's it's like mask.
It's it's mask, max is whatit is, or mad mask, however
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you want to do it, howeveryou want to combine him. That's what
this reminds me of. It lookslike something out of the Road Warrior.
Yeah, do you think that's whatthey were going for, like they were
going maybe for a post apocalyptic youknow, here's the thing. I hope
not because based on the boxes,I mean it, that's the thing.
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That's the thing. This concept couldwork had they either either made it a
different toy line or somehow the wholeMask crew got launched into like a Planet
Halk type thing, you know fromthe Marvel comics. Yeah, and they
had to make do with what theyhad or something like that. That as
a concept is not bad, Butto just throw it out there and say
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hey, here's more mass toys,it just doesn't work for me. Yeah,
it's weird. And the only box, like what you were talking about
with the idea that being a MadMax, the only box it looks like
it would show kind of a postapocaly thing is Afterburner. Everything else is
like even the boxes are just verygeneric and they don't really tell a story,
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right, And we always had areally good box art on this one
for this line. And again it'sit's not that it's bad, you're right,
they just they just seem kind ofplain. Yeah, the majority of
them are all just taking off fromwhat it looks like a tarmac of some
sort. Yep, Stiletto looks likeit's said in the future, but just
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stiletto. Yeah, Stiletto does lookbut almost all of the rest of them
look like they are just taking offfrom a tarmac of some sort. It's
interesting. After Burner is the onlyother one. Yeah, after Burner and
Stiletto are the only two that havebox art that it looks like anything,
that looks like anything and everything else, like all the US stuff is boring.
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It's just got lines for a backgroundand some color and then that's it.
And the other two seem to havea little bit more storytelling to it,
but it feels more like a technicalread out in this case than it
does an actual box are for akid's toy. Yeah. Absolutely, all
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right, Well let's we we've we'veragged on the line as a whole enough,
let's talk about a few of thetoys. Um, so let's start
with after Burner. I have tosay, in its in its vehicle form,
it's pretty cool. This will dragThe idea of this being a dragster
yeah, um, this would havemade more sense for the the racing series.
But I feel like the two vehiclesare hidden well inside this dragster because
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the stealth jet is is the canopybasically, yep, and the wings are
the pop up and they're like thespoiler. And then when you when you
pop it off the drag the bodypart of the dragster pops up, and
I guess Dusty is sitting in thecannon and then his U doppelganger is in
the jet and the wings pop out. That's actually, it's actually a pretty
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ingenious idea. I don't mind that. I like that one, okay,
Yeah, And I like I likethe design of the jet. I think
that jet looks pretty cool. AndI like the color scheme. They each
have their own color scheme and theyfit together right, So I don't like
I said, I don't want tohate on the line all the way,
but this one, this one's notbad. Um. And then uh detonator.
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Okay. So I've talked before onthe show about Zoomer Boomers, these
toys that my brother liked when hewas a kid, and you remember you
look some of them up. Doesthis not look like a zoomer Boomer in
its Volkswagen bug very yeah? Ohman. And then it becomes a hovercraft
and an attack bike, and Ijust I mean, the hovercraft part is
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actually cool, and the attack bikeis cool. This is one that I
don't necessarily mind that that, butI don't like it in its vehicle form.
It looks it's another one that lookslike it's from the nineties. It
looks oversized. Well yeah, andI mean again the color scheme. I
just don't like the co scheme.This this is this is the color scheme
of beetle Juice. Yes, Andthat's that's one of those that's almost like,
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hey, we've got all this extrayou know, fluorescent, plastic,
luffed what toy like, can weput it in? It feels almost like
like that. It's just it's it'sodd, and like the design of the
bike itself feels odd. It feelslike an afterthought in a way, like
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they wanted to design the car andthey got that, They're like, oh,
we got to have the wheel portion, let's put this bike together.
It's just there's not a lot ofdecoration on it. There's it's like a
solid green body and then you've gotsilver for the struts and wheels, and
then that's it. You know,there's nothing else to make it stand out.
I wanted to see how the instructionswent or this transformation. And when
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I started looking at the transformation,the car top basically comes off the motorcycle
aspect of this is kind of separated, so it just pushes together and then
the sides of the car fold downto create a hovercraft. And it's almost
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way too simplistic. Well, andthat makes the hovercraft look awkward. Yeah,
yeah, it the hovercraft doesn't looklike a hovercraft. It just looks
like a it's like a box orsome sort. It's like a drink holder
to me, right, So yeah, that's a miss Um Dynamo. I
think is probably for me one ofthe strongest strongest ones of the line because
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I like both it's offer vehicle formand I like the turbine chopper and a
salt cart as well, because aturbine chopper it's basically a helicopter with the
blade comes down and you know,it looks like a kind of like an
ultra light. Yeah. And thenthe assault cart, I don't know,
calling it an asualt cart is weirdbecause it looks to me more like a
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hovercraft or like an overcrap like ajet pack, doesn't it to you?
Yeah, Like looking at this pictureof it, it does look like a
jet pack. However, I don'tknow because that was one that I was
questioning that how they had it built. So it looks like I can't tell
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if it Okay, So you've gotso looking at the instructions here, Okay,
you've got the vehicle, the Dynamooff road vehicle and conventional mode,
and then it goes into the Dynamoturbo turbine chopper and assault cart and flight
packs and so I was trying tofigure out, like it's a flight packs
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extra. So I guess the assaultcart breaks apart and you end up with
two flight packs. But then ifyou put the flight packs together, you
get the cart. So basically thewheel portion of this is the cart,
The canopy part folds down on top, and then the actual wings and motor
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are the motor and the fenders ofthis thing. It's interesting because I think
there's like information wise. Yeah,the cart breaks into two, so you
can have two I guess like hovercraftbackpacks jet packs, but the wheels are
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thrusters. Yeah, I have noidea. Yeah, it's it was cool.
I don't know how well thought outit is. Fire force is not
bad. You know, I likethe feel. I like the design of
the fior Fierro was always one ofmy favorite cards until I found out that
they would, you know, blowup. Yeah, but nobody. It's
funny, you say they blow upand this one has a tell bomb and
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bumper cannon. Yeah exactly, It'slike they knew. Um. But but
I kind of like the designs ofboth of these vehicles. The glider craft
you know, looks like what itis, and the you know, the
three wheeled chopper basically it looks likeexactly like what it is. I actually
like that a lot. Yeah,the the the actual glider reminded me a
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lot of the transformation of the Firebird. So there were aspects not the Firebird,
the one I got you, thepurple one that had the villain.
Um, oh my goodness, hangon, I'm drawing up blank hang on,
Manta the Manta. Yes, itreminds me a little bit of that
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in some of the build and howit it opens up. So I definitely,
I definitely appreciated the some of thetransformation on this. I felt like
it had quite a bit to offer. I agree, I agree. I
think this is one of the strongerones of the line as well. Ye,
Skybolt again also very cool. Itreminds me a little bit of the
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one, which one is it?Is it the the Meteor which is a
stunt jet? That what it was? It the Meteor turns it's a stunt
jet that turns into another jet orsomething like that. Yeah, it's like
a snunt jet and a launcher.Yeah that from the last wave. Yeah,
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yeah, it reminds me a littlebit of that. Only I think
this one actually works better. It'sa fighter jet that turns into a jet
plane and a thruster car, whichwe talked about. This one know is
interesting because we've got the color schemehere looks very much like G I.
Joe. It's camouflaged. It's likedesert camouflage, which we haven't gotten from
a mask line. And it doesn'tIt really makes even less sense when you've
got so many that have these brightknee on colors right as well. Right,
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but again, the only ones thatreally have the neon colors are the
bad guys, right, So thisone, being Matt Tracker, cannot be
a bad guy of course. Yeah. But but but you know, but
I agree there. But you knowwhat's funny is that the jet it looks
a little bit like a lawn dartor like a turkey baster, so they
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were kind of reaching with this one. I don't mind it, but it
definitely does not It's not as effortlessas the last two we talked about,
as the fire Force and the Dynamo. Definitely, the Stiletto I think is
probably spoiler Aler maybe my favorite one, because we you know, we get
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a Lamborghini, which is cool,and then we get a raid plane and
an attack chopper which are very different, and they actually looked like they would
do what they would do that.The only problem I have with it is
the blade on the attack chopper doesn'tcome up too far above the the canopy,
but I guess it doesn't really matteras long as it clears a canopy.
I think. I think what Iwrote on on this one on one
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of my original list, with thewhite and some of the stickers that they
chose to put on it, itreminded me of a reused design that they
had from RoboCop Ultra Force. Yeah. I can see that obviously. Can
that are the transformers yeah? Ortransformers yeah? But again, you know,
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I actually like this idea though,because the raid plane looks like it
might actually work, you know,if you've got thrusters on it, and
the chopper looks like it would work. And it's one vehicle that turns into
two completely different vehicles. You've gota land vehicle that turns into two flying
vehicles. Now, I think itwould have been more interesting had, like
maybe the raid plane been a sub, so you've got land, air,
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and sea all together. Yeah,kind of like the sub from James Bond.
Yes, it looks a little bitlike that too. It does,
so I think it could have veryeasily. They could have said, you
know, it's a submarine. Fine, but but I do like that.
I don't I don't love the whitepaint, but it but it works.
And again, like you said,the decals that got going down the side,
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it works, okay. Barracuda whichagain also known as the jackal Um.
Yeah, this one. I don'tlike anything about this one. I
don't like the color scheme. Idon't like that. You really don't get
two vehicles. You basically one sideof the motorcycle. The body of the
motorcycle flips up and becomes a gliderlike a like an air catamaran, and
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then the bottom the bottom portion ofthe cycle becomes the launcher. Yeah,
but I guess you still got roomfor somebody to ride in there. I
don't know, I just does therey. Do you have any thoughts on this
one that that I'm missings or somethingI'm missing or is this this is really
as lame as it seems, thisone. It's like one of those where
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it's like, you know, asfar as like effort on this. The
stealth mode motorcycle is designed, Okay, it feels a little oversized for the
figure with the way it's put together. But then when you get to the
glider and motorcycle part, the motorcyclereminds me of the terminator robots from They
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were like motorcycle terminator robots from Salvation, So they feel very nondescript. So
the seat that you put the figurein feels very nondescript. I guess it's
split second. But then once theair gliders set into a catamaran, how
in the world does your figure flylike it? It doesn't make any sense.
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Okay, so it's not just me, no, okay. And then
the vandal, which we we've talkedabout a little bit. You know it
reconcraft and dirt tractor. So youbasically got a a bulldozer that turns into
a tractor. And I will admitthe the glider or whatever it's called,
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the what is it, the reconcraft. The glider actually looks really cool.
I happen to like the set thedirt tractor with the firing missile, and
like the little target window that popsup the dirt tractor looks like the the
ATV you were talking about before.Kind of reminds me of that of that
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vehicle. Okay, yeah, yeah, I could see that, but I
kind of like there's a part ofit that kind of likes us. The
helmet on the figure is a littleodd us trying to find the the Floyd
Maloy with the buckshot mask. Themask itself is is very weird. Like
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if you look at the mask onthe figure, the bottom of the mask
becomes eyeballs for the skull um.It's just it's so odd. They were
trying to go. They were tryingto go, really, they were trying
to go really edgy and intense andit didn't work. It looks like an
alien. Yeah it does, itreally does. Yeah. Yeah, I
(36:16):
don't know. This one is isI have less a problem with this one
than I do some of the otherVenom vehicles. But it's still not great.
But I do like the design thatthe design of the front loader looks
really cool. It's just odd,like why, you know, why why
why that? Because it's not speedy. I just I don't get it.
(36:37):
And then we had the wolf Beast, which we talked about. The wolf
Beast turns into a tank and aflying shuttle, and you know, the
flying shuttle looks kind of cool,but it's odd that the canopy does it
swivel? What what am I lookingat here? So the canopy flips over
(36:57):
and becomes a gun or seat.This doesn't feel like a shuttle as much
as it does some sort of likelike jet ski, sort of like speed
boat. Right. It reminds memore of a boat than anything else.
Right. And and there are noboats in this, which is odd because
we did have some in the otherlines. Um. So yeah, this
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is the second vehicle that could havewould have been better served by saying,
hey, this is a boat insteadof this is some sort of flying machine
this um. This vehicle is alsoone of the other vehicles that has the
the artwork that actually has some sortof background of storytelling, but it was
also only a UK, right vehiclefrom what I could tell. And then
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and the tank on it looks verynondescript, looks very generic. There's no
paint app there's no stick decals oranything that I can see from this photo,
just blue plastic with the spiky tires, right, and two lasers.
And the lasers are hot pink forsome reason. Yeah, they're like laser
missiles, but they have spikes onit, like, um, what was
it air raiders? Yeah, withtheir giant sized missiles. It's kind of
(38:05):
like that, but hot pink.Weird. Yeah, that that's that's the
line folks. We had Again,we had to we we won't discuss the
two that didn't get released because wedon't have a lot of information on them,
and to be honest, I don'tthink they bear discussing at all.
Um, So let's take a shortbreak and we'll be back to discuss our
top five from the line, assumingTaylor can come up with some Okay,
(38:36):
Okay, Taylor, So since youseem to be winging it, um,
I'm gonna let you go first.Okay. Let's Mask is my second favorite
toy line of all time despite this, you know, this kerfuffle with this,
with this, with this wave.So I'll let you go first.
So what's your number five? Mynumber five is going to be the sky
Bolt. Okay um. I reallylike it in it's it's vehicle form.
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I think that it performs admirably thereand you know, it's got camouflaged so
it feels like a jet fighter whenit transforms. So it just it does
feel a little off. I canunderstand a lot of the aspect of it,
and I feel like it's an interestingtransformation, but it's just not my
(39:21):
favorite of the series. I thinkthat it works as far as having something
lands, something vehicle, and thenof course having like one of the original
heroes of the first series and secondseries and on as your your main person
feels that kind of a must have, I guess for a series. But
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it's not, in my opinion,the best design out of this part of
the series. You know, Iget that completely. Again, I'm not
gonna say much because it's gonna spoilersshow up on my list. My number
five is Believing or Not the Detonator, And the only reason that it's on
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my list, I don't care forit. But the only reason that's on
my list it's it's it's a tributeto my brother because it looks like a
Zoomer Boomer. That's the only reason, okay, And that tells you how
much I like the rest of thevehicles in this line. Is the one
that I that I ripped apart.One of the ones I ripped apart the
most is my number five. Thatshould tell you something. And that's all
(40:27):
I'm gonna say about it's air becauseit looks like a zoomer Boomer. Reminds
me of my brother, and that'snot a bad thing. So we're gonna
go with that. Okay. Sowhat is your number four? So my
number four is actually the wolf Beast, you know, sprain yourself, the
Corvette Stingray part of it. I'mactually kind of cool with. I like
(40:51):
the look of it. I think, for me, how it changes the
innovation of how the can it beturned out and underneath to basically create a
gunning station and the helmet for MilesMayhem, I think look really cool.
There's aspects of this that really felland I mean when I say felt,
(41:15):
it like falls flat on its face. For design, it just doesn't work.
But that cannot be innovation where itbasically flips out. I think it's
kind of a genius thing, andwe haven't seen something on this level before.
The where it definitely fails is thechassis, and the secondary vehicle suffers
(41:37):
from not having any detail work thatmakes it stand out or become unique.
And the fact that the top isjust an air glider when it looks more
like a hydroflo or some sort ofboat. I think as one of those
where they really probably should have thoughtthrough some more of the design. Also,
the design of Miles makes it alittle off, like it's it's a
(41:58):
cool design, and I like thelook of the very punk rock sort of
look, but it doesn't work forMiles Mayhem. And I think that's the
part where I feel like the designersthemselves didn't understand the original material to begin
with. Like it feels like anew set of people coming in to make
these, right. Okay, soI heard everything you said. I agree,
(42:23):
But you think this is better thanthe Skybolt? Yes, okay,
fair enough. Well one number fouris the afterburner, and you know we
talked about this a little bit.I actually really like this design. The
only reason it's not higher is becauseit seems a little flimsy because everything is
(42:45):
so small and stretched out. ButI do, I really love this design.
This is what I wouldn't mind havingon my shelf because I do.
I love the color scheme and everything, and it works. It looks this
feels like something from Mask to meright, just at a glance. So
that's it's it's my number four.I love the color sh cheme. Dusty
(43:07):
Hayes is one of my favorite charactersfrom the line. Um even though the
figure looks like a nightmare, umI do. I love the hot pink
with the with like the the turquoiseish color scheme of the the glider or
the jet rather and I just likeit the way it works in the way
and and you know the box artas well. It looks cool, looks
(43:29):
like it's at a drag strip andit's taking off from the drag strip,
which is really cool. I digit. That's my number four. Okay,
yeah, it's a it's a coolvehicle. Um my, So we're
on number three right, yep,Yes, my number three is the Stiletto.
Um. I like this vehicle alot. I think it's it's got
(43:52):
some really cool design I'm not quitesure about the cruise missile part of it
or the the what is it theI guess the glider, the rai plane,
that's what it is. The raveplane feels a little off, like
it's kind of squished together, andwhen you look at the instructions, it's
just taking one side from one vehicle, another side from another vehicle, just
smack it together, putting the figureinside. I think I would have preferred
(44:15):
this not to be white, becauseit now it feels more like something from
RoboCop than something from Mask. Well, and they could What they could have
done is painted the middle section adifferent color or the outer section of a
different color. They could have donea red stripe down the center so each
(44:36):
so the raid plane would have beenwhite and the attack chopper could have been
a red and that would have solvedeverything right there and made it different enough
that it would have made it standout. Yeah, or even vice versa.
(44:57):
Agreed. Again, I'm not gonnasay much because it's gonna show up
on my list a little later on, and folks to be expected with the
line the small Yeah, so mynumber three is the sky bold So clearly
I like it better than you do. I love the g that it looks
like, and it's planet form.It looks like a Gijo vehicle. You
could see it on your shelf andbe like, that looks like a Gijo
vehicle. But it's a little small. The only reason it's not higher is
(45:20):
because I actually like the fact thatthe jet plane looks like a dart and
the thruster car is okay. Ijust feel like they could have done a
better job of hiding the rear,like the aff, the tail fin or
whatever you want to call it,on the plane. I think they could
have probably left that on the planeas a part of the jet and let
(45:43):
let the let it be separate fromthe from the thruster car. But other
than that, I really like thisone. I think the design of the
plane is great, and I thinkthat there was a really good use of
of the design of the plane inboth vehicles. So that's like I said,
it's my number three. Everything yousaid about it is correct. I'm
(46:04):
just adding my part of it toit, so I dig it. Okay,
all right, we're on my numbertwo, which I chose. The
backlash. I'm sorry, that's themask the afterburner. Sorry about that.
The afterburner. What Dusty hayes withthe backlash, I think for me,
(46:28):
like the design of the nose launchersa little it's a little iffy. The
cannon that's like on high stilts thatdrives around, that's a little odd for
me. Dusty's design is a littleodd. But the design of the jet
I think is really really really cool, and it's it's enough to kind of
(46:51):
like make me really like this becauseof that design. And then to top
it off, the fact that ithas a tell bomb or like a bomb
dropping piece on it as well isI think pretty cool. Um the the
actual drags are the way that youget the figure in is loading them in
(47:14):
from the bottom up into the jet, and then of course the other figure
sits into the um the cannon andthen the canopy comes down. So it's
like the way that this is setup. When it splits off, it
really does feel like it splits fromone another, which is nice. It
(47:34):
is it is that that's what thisThat's what the line should have been,
right, you know everything you knowyou mentioned about the the stiletto being you
know, having to take the twopieces apart and snap them together. I
don't like that, but I'd liketo design them. I'll talk about why
I give it a pass when Italk about it later. But you're right,
that's why you know that that thatone feels the most like a mask
(47:55):
vehicle. Yes, with the exceptionof maybe my number two, number one.
My number two is the fire Force. You know. I like it,
babe, because it's a Fiarrero.I just I've always loved the design
of the Fear at least from anesthetic standpoint, not from a safety standpoint.
Those of who don't know Fiarrero's.The engine was in the back and
so if he got rear ended,the car was going to blow up.
(48:16):
And it was right behind the driver'sseat, right behind the seats. Yeah.
So yeah, my friend Damien hada Fiarrero and I was like writing
it it until I realized what washappening, and then I got scared.
But but I love everything about this. When the design of the black the
black pain on the vehicle with thedetailing, it looks, you know,
(48:37):
sort of like a like a heartbeatdetailing on it is really cool. It's
very eighties. I just I likeit a lot. And the two vehicles,
the glidercraft and the three wheel chopperI think they both worked well.
I think these are of the vehicles, of the secondary vehicles. I think
these are the two that I thinkworked the best with probably the afterburn or
(49:00):
the detonator. Maybe I know theafterburner being a close second, but I
think these two worked the best asseparate vehicles on their own. Okay.
The only thing I don't like aboutit is that chopper has that you know
trail, that the bumper on theback, and you said that was kind
of exploding, right, So that'ssort of it's it's weapon. So I
don't mind that as much. Ithink it's a pretty ingenious design and I
(49:22):
dig it. So that's why it'smy number two. Okay, so that
brings us to your number one.My number one is a dynamo. That's
also my number one. Yeah,it's it's I feel like this one has
probably the best transformation, the bestuse of its parts, even the even
though it's a little odd, buteven the cart, the assault cart being
(49:45):
able to break apart to make twojet packs. It's a good use of
all the pieces. In my opinion. Bruce Azzo is not completely annoying with
the suit, right, It's it'sone of the better ones. I agree,
even though that the mask is reallyodd. The mask feels like almost
(50:07):
like who was the character that theywrote on the robot that turned into the
like the mopad t Bob tea Bob. It feels like tea Bob. Yeah,
so it's a little odd, butI guess it works. You know,
it's not it's not assaulting to theeyes. It doesn't feel but it
(50:28):
does have handles. It's odd.It looks more Yeah, it looks more
like you know what it reminds meof. It reminds me of Vincent from
the Black Hole. I could seethat. Yeah. One thing we didn't
talk about with this one that we'lltalk about now is the color scheme,
especially on the front of it.I really like that sort of looks like
a microchip or a motherboard or somethingon there on the front of the vehicle.
(50:50):
Yes, yeah, I look thata lot. And the color what
color is that? Is that?Is it orange or is it it's like
a fluorescent orange. It's almost likea uh, like a florescent salmon.
But it's yeah, floresce and salmon. That's a good way to put it,
because it's not orange, because it'snot super super bright, just bright
enough. It still feels like maskto me. Yeah, but not hardcore
(51:12):
pink. It's not hot pink.It's like a florescet, like red orange
or or salmon. I guess it'sthe best. It's bright and it's fun
and it's funky, but it's notannoying, right, agreed. You know
I'm the the other vehicle, thethe assault cart, could I think work
(51:34):
a little better, But everything elseabout it works so well that I don't
really mind. And in fact,if you look at the if you look
at the picture on the box,it it's weird. It's like the photo
that they've got. He looks likehe's wearing it, but I think he's
supposed to be sitting in it.Yes, yeah, it's so so,
(51:58):
yeah it is. It's like acar. Okay, so this works Actually
this actually works better. Yeah.It breaks into it breaks into halves.
Yeah, I actually went to lookat the directions. It breaks in halves
and then one side has a cannon, the other side has a cannon.
So the cart as it drives canhave a cannon fold out in the front
and a cannon fold out in theback. But you can also break that
apart and then snap it to onefigure and then snap it to another,
(52:22):
so I could have jet packs,so you could service up to three figures
with this one vehicle. Yes youcould. So that all the more reason
for it to be my number one, right, I have no qualms now
about it being my number one.So that's our number one. So I
ask me, I have to talkabout the one that got away? So
(52:45):
which one of these have you eitherseen in a store and didn't buy and
we she did, or if youcould find it, you would snap it
up in a heartbeat. So don'tyell at me on this one. I
think for me, if if Iwas able to come across one that was
complete, and it's one of thosewhere it's like I've got to get this
(53:06):
one complete. Um. I likethe character design a lot. The masks
that works with it is very odd, but it works with the suit and
the design. And even though I'mnot as big of a fan of the
stealth mode, I love the twovehicle mode and that is the bandle with
(53:27):
Floyd Malloy. Um, I lovelike the the recon craft. So the
like jet well, and you likeheavy machinery, Let's be honest, you
like you like bulldozers. Don't yousure? Yeah, sure that was a
Tonka kid, of course you were, Um, yeah, I just you
know, the front the front loaderthings like, but I love the way
(53:52):
that it transforms, Like I lovethe fact. Okay, so first we're
getting something we'd never get, youknow who. It's like, who would
thought that a front loader would becomea mass vehicle. It's like, well,
you're working the docks, you gotthis thing. All of a sudden,
Hey, this thing transforms and takesover the dock and steals all the
precious cargo. It kind of canmake sense. And I love the attack
(54:15):
cart. I think it's quirky andkind of fun. And even the fact
that the front of it has likefour little cannons, so it has you
know, the missile launcher with thelittle scope on the window, but that's
got four little pop out cannons onthe very front. And the reconcraft,
the actual jet I think just looksreally really cool. It's like a small
(54:37):
ultra light leer jet. It shouldn'twork, but it does. You're right,
it shouldn't work, and it's becauseit doesn't know. It's fine if
that's your thing, you know what, and you know what that would be
an interesting conversation piece. Why whydo you have a what do you have
a bulldozer? An earth mover?Why do you have this front loader thing
(54:57):
on your shelf? Oh? Letme tell you're right? Well, mine,
if you haven't figured it out,is a stiletto. I understand your
issues with it, you know,having to snap the two sides apart and
put them together, But the factremains that all three vehicle modes work for
me. I love the Lamborghini.I think it looks great. It looks
like a Lamborghini. And if youjust look at the two things separately,
(55:24):
you know one is an attack shopperbecause it's got the propellers. The other
one you could be forgiven for thinkingit's a sea vessel of some sort,
or a boat or or a submarine. It really does like the sub from
James Bond. It does, Itreally does. But like you said,
(55:45):
the only thing that I don't likeabout it really is the fact that it's
white. But even that doesn't botherme because everything else works. And you
mentioned the decals that they've got onit. I think there's enough splashes of
color here and there on it thatI really like it. And is it
looks like maybe it makes me thelightning, but it looks like the canopy
(56:07):
the windshield is purple. Purple.Yeah, and I figured you would be
all about that. Yeah, Imean it's it's purple. Um, it
just doesn't have the right amount ofpurple, which would have been like most
of the vehicle set with orange andthen a purple suit with like a bright
(56:27):
you know, fluorescent pink hat thatgoes on and becomes eyeballs. Right,
It's like this one has purple,and I'm like, yeah, but it
doesn't have like a lot of purple. No, but it's got enough,
so all right. So so thereyou have it, folks. That's those
are our thoughts on the split secondportion of the mathe mask line. I
(56:51):
can't believe we got almost an hourout of that. But um, you
know, bad mask is still mask. But some of this stuff is really
really bad. I don't know ifI can give any of it a pass.
I don't know if I can givethe worst of it a pass just
for being masked. But the stuffthat I did like, I do really
like, and I you know,it's it's it's a shame that this this
(57:14):
is like the last season of youryour favorite TV show where they should have
ended it a season or two earlier, but they continued. It's like the
last season of Night Cord. Thatseason is horrible, but there are some
really funny episodes. This is nota great way, but there are some
really cool toys in this in thiswave. Yeah, and honestly, like
(57:35):
thinking about like, given the twothings that UM didn't come out the Thunderball,
not only do I like that name, but looking at the figure and
the cross sell art of it,I actually kind of think that this would
have been cool to have. UM. It kind of has a Computer Warriors
vibe to it. It does feellike some of the the stationary transforming pieces
(58:00):
from the last line of masks,but this would have even been one that
I would have liked to have seen. But I feel like some of this
became a little too little, toolate sort of thing, and they just
couldn't get kids behind it exactly exactly. So, folks, we'd love to
(58:22):
hear your thoughts on this line,and especially if you have some of these.
I do want to see pictures andI'd like to see how they how
they work in action, So aheadto the Facebook page and let us know
what you think in post those photosuntil next time for talking toys with Taylor
and Jeff. I'm Taylor and I'mJeff. Remember they're not dolls. They're
action figures. Action figures with seethrough copies of themselves. Do you think
(58:49):
they started out as computer warriors waytoo? I don't think so, or
maybe even way one. Maybe Idon't know. Good folks, I'm gonna
stop. I'm gonna stop. I'mgonna stop thinking about it. Thank you
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