Deficit Delusion, The Spirit of a True Patriot, and Real Men Don't Go Woke

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all right. So our first guest. He is a returning guest,
although it's been a while since John's been on with us.
He's a senior economic advisor. He is editor over at
Realclearmarkets dot com. He's a political economy editor from Forbes.

(07:28):
Put it mildly, he is an economist extraordinaire. Like I
said off the very top, he's written more than a
couple of books at this point. But the new one
that we want to talk about is deficit delusion. Why
everything left right and supply side tells you about the
national debt is wrong? Ladies and welcome, ladies and gentlemen.

(07:51):
Just gotta stop trying to put the words together all
at once. Please welcome once again John Tamney. John, thank
you so much for coming back on with it this again.
It's been quite a while since we've had a chance
to get together.

Speaker 8 (08:03):
How are you today, Hey, I'm great. Thanks so much
for having me on. I appreciate it all right.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
Well, you know, I saw the new book, I saw
the title, and then I saw an opportunity to reach out,
and I was thinking, you know what, if we can
make this happen, I've got to get John back on.
I always had great listener responses previously, and I guess
we just need to jump right into this deficit delusion.

(08:30):
You're you're trying to set the record straight. There still
seems to be some I wouldn't even call it a
fundamental lack of understanding. It seems to be almost an
intentional lack of understanding about the national debt. So what
are we doing here to correct the record? I mean,
this is your this is your fact field, action packed

(08:54):
book full of information that I would dare say a
lot of political oh would rather not be made available.
What made you decide you're gonna put this out especially now?

Speaker 8 (09:06):
Well, I just got so tired of a debate that
never changes, where the same people say the same thing
decade after decade. You could still countless rose bulls, with
all the pundits who said, we've got crisis on the way. Eventually,
eventually the bill is going to come do And they
say the same things over and over again, and basically
they're they're they're saying the same things, but the warrying

(09:29):
ideologies are essentially saying the same things without knowing it.
The left say, the way to pick fix the deficit
is to increase taxes on the rich. The right say
the way to the way to do to beat the
deficits to raise taxes on the rich. The right say,
the only thing we can do is cut the Democrats
from spending. But then conservatives get in power and they
spend like crazy. Libertarians say, we've got to combine tax

(09:52):
increases with with entitlement reform. And then supply siders say,
guess what, We've got a new We've got another way
to do it, that we can raise your tax is
by lowering them. And so what are all sides basically saying.
They're saying the insufficiency of revenues is what's causing the
death sens which is the most ludicrous thing ever believed,
but they believe it is It presumes that entities can

(10:17):
borrow in enormous amounts just because they want to. But
where in life? Is that ever true? Tell me about you.
Can you borrow more as an adult than you could
when you were twenty one? Can you name any busins
borrow lots of money when it just opens relative to
when it's been around for a long time and succeeding.

(10:37):
How did we get this idea in our heads that
for governments to the way to shrink the deficit is
to give the government exponentially more money to pay it off.
I never heard of something so foolish, and.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
Yet that is what we have been sold, as you
pointed out, for I would say decades. But I don't
think that's sufficient. I think we're getting awful close to
being able to say that that's a bill of goods
that they've been trying to sell for over a century now.
And regardless of where we start with this discussion or not,

(11:15):
common sense and actual fundamental economics does seem to be
left out of the quation. They sprinkle just enough into
the argument to make it sound reasonable, and then they're
really still just trying to push a political agenda rather
than an economic one. And it is kind of scary
to think that the once upon a time fiscal conservatives

(11:38):
really if there's any of them left out there, they
sure don't make very much noise.

Speaker 8 (11:45):
Well they don't because we're I'll defend them here. We're
asking the impossible of them. You can't so heavily overtax
the American people and expect death sits to be level.
I'm not making a laugh for curve argument. My argument
turns the laughter curve on its head. What I'm saying

(12:06):
is we have lots of debt precisely because the federal
government takes in way too much revenue now and much
more perilously it's expected to take in exponentially more in
the future. Any entity that has that kind of revenue
up ups uptake is going to be able to borrow
with ease, and we've seen it over the last forty

(12:29):
five years. In nineteen eighty, total federal debt was nine
hundred billion dollars. It's thirty seven trillion today. If you
had told people in nineteen eighty that what by twenty
twenty five, we'd be at thirty seven trillion, they would
have laughed out of the room. They'd said, there's no
way that's going to happen. If so, the borrowing costs
for the US Treasury will skyrocket into the fourth figures

(12:52):
will be we maar Germany. There's no way. There's no way. Note,
but that's exactly what's happened, and it's occurred alongside reduced
really steadily, but plummeting borrowing costs for the US Treasury,
which is really not a surprise. I mean, think about it.
If they're overtaxing us, and if voluminous revenues are coming
at the higher, higher levels every year, of course people

(13:14):
are going to lend to us. That's what makes attractive
loan is if your revenues keep going up. And so
that's what we keep selling the American people. But that's
why we have all the debt. Too much revenue.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yeah, I mean, it almost seems counterintuitive, but that still
goes back to what we've always been told. And unfortunately
what we have is a level of irresponsibility because we really,
from a governmental standpoint, should be looking at reducing the

(13:47):
expenses so we then can reduce how much revenue is
coming in. But that never seems to even cross their mind.
Because nobody can buy anyone's vote that way. A lot
of folks seing dedicated to the proposition of making these
promises and then finding great ways to waste the money,
so they need even more so they can find new

(14:09):
ways to waste the money. And just a little bit
of responsibility might help move in the right direction. But unfortunately,
like you said, there's just not enough people with the
right mindset that are willing to pull together and become
a large enough block within the government to make it happen.

(14:29):
So your mission here through the book is to try
to educate the average person. So maybe we the people
can start directing our elected officials in a better direction.
That's the hope I'm taking.

Speaker 8 (14:42):
Well, yeah, because I don't buy that politicians can buy votes.
There's just no evidence that government spending improves the lives
of people, which isn't a surprise. Government spending is just
central planning of resources, so by death definition, it weakens
the state. West Virginia has been bombarded with governments federal

(15:06):
spending for decades. Well that's why it remains poor. If
it didn't have that, it would be much richer. In
the same way, foreign aid from the US is never
correlated with economic growth, and for obvious reasons, central planning
doesn't work. And so but where i'd also push back
is in my book. I argue against spending cuts, not

(15:27):
because I don't think government spending isn't really harmful, but
I don't want entitlement reform. And here's why I don't.
Social Security is a failures, the worst retirement system ever created.
Medicare is an utter failure. At nearly one trillion a year,
it can't even get everyone in the US medical care.

(15:49):
But I say keep them because they can both consume
more and more of the budget if you actually reform
them and save trillions of dollars a year. Do you
promise me the Congress is going to burn up the
money safe, Well, you know they're not. That's just going
to give them fresh powder to start up all new
programs that will grow and grow and grow. Medicare began

(16:09):
as a three billion dollar program. And so I'm very
serious in making my case that we have a revenue problem.
Stop talking about spending, stop talking about death the debt
that markets really are just to think is not a
problem at all, and start talking about the real problem.
Why we have the debt is because we have too

(16:29):
much tax revenue now and much more paris perilously exponentially
more in the future.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
Well like I said, you're really challenging a lot of
deep embedded ideas and philosophies that I mean, even me
right here, I've already expressed at least a couple of
them that that you're you're pushing back, and you're like,
here's why that's wrong. And that's part of what I

(16:56):
love about this book. You are literally bringing this information
so we can get a better idea about how this
actually works. Because you're absolutely right. If they do cut
in one place, they're just gonna waste it somewhere else.
And that's why if you go out there and do
what I'm talking about and trying to get them to

(17:19):
reduce spending in some other locations, I'm not necessarily looking
at entitlement reform, although I do think some reforms need
to be made to help make them more sustainable if
they're going to continue. But again, that means that they're
going to be burning up more of that cash. It
almost feels like kind of the same scenario. And of

(17:43):
course I know I'm probably going to need to be
corrected on this one again, and that's great if you do,
but you know, it kind of what leads to inflation
when you have too much money chasing too few goods?
Is this kind of a similar phenomenon on. They're just
they're bringing in so much money that they don't even

(18:04):
know how to reel it in and to be consistently
frugal with the American taxpayer dollars.

Speaker 8 (18:12):
Well, yeah, I think there's some truth to that. Now.
I don't think government spending can cause inflation or higher prices.
And let me explain why they only have money in
so far as we have less. There's no getting around
that they've got to take it from someone first to
spend it. But I think you're absolutely right, and this

(18:33):
is what we should be so fearful about. We're sitting
here focused on the debt that again markets keep saying
is going to be easy to pay off. But we're
not focusing on what you're talking about. And it's what
I talk about in the book. Federal revenue is set
to sore in the coming decades. How do I know
that because of all the debt? There's no way that

(18:55):
we could borrow this way unless what you're saying is true.
And so what's scary about this is people on our
side keep saying, well, we've got to balance the budget
and We've got to look. Balancing the budget in the
United States is like slam dunking on a seven foot
basketball hoop when you're seven feet tall. There, when you've
got access to the most productive individuals on earth and

(19:18):
you can tax them, a balanced budget is easy. But
it has nothing to do with limited government. And a
country like ours full of incredibly enterprising people. Revenues are
going to soar in the coming decades, and you're right,
this is the scary thing. They will spend it if
it gets to Washington. Spare me. The Republicans are going

(19:39):
to be parsimonious, or more parsimonium than Democrats, and vice versa.
Each side spends that. They just have different priorities. And
so think about what the real burden is for the grandchildren.
It's not debt that's easy to pay off. If we
don't start talking about this, the grandchildren will inherit two things.
A massively bloated government that they'll have to continue to feed,

(20:02):
and they'll also inherit a much less involved society. Because
when government consumes, we grow less, we progress less, we
cure cancer less quickly. We don't lead, we don't drive
transportation advances, we don't drive technological advances because government is
wasting our wealth. We've got to start talking about the

(20:23):
real problem, which is too much tax revenue.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
Well, I mean, with all the years of experience and
looking at this, this is obviously a situation where you
have pueled back the layers.

Speaker 7 (20:35):
Here.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
You're looking at a reality that a lot of people
just don't want to look at, either because it busts
their ideological bubbles or because they're afraid somebody will push
back in a way that could be harmful. So I
appreciate not just the fact that you're willing to explore

(20:59):
this and arm people with this real information, but the
fact that it does take a certain amount of courage
somebody who works in economics that writes these things, because
you really are kind of poking the bear a little
bit for some folks that don't like to be challenged. So,
other than the fact that the debt continues to move

(21:21):
in this direction, you know, this seems like a book
that is not only timely, but will continue to be
So what is it that you're hoping that the average
reader is really going to take away from getting into
the meat and potatoes of the deficit delusion?

Speaker 8 (21:41):
I hope that everyone says what you say, that it's counterintuitive.
I can live with that, because that means they're at
least thinking about something differently. I'm hoping an even smaller
percentage will say, oh, I've never thought of it that way,
because that's all I'm trying to do. I'm just so
tired of a debate that never changes. We keep talking
about this, Everyone talks about crisis, They predict crisis after crisis,

(22:05):
and markets keep laughing at them. Everyone wants to line
up to lend the most productive nation on earth that
has tax access to the most productive people on earth.
I want to get people thinking about this in a
different way that where in any aspect of life does
it become harder to borrow the more money you take in?

(22:25):
And there's just no evidence of it. And I think
if we can change the discussion even a little, if
more and more people come out of this saying, oh wow, yeah,
they've been saying the wrong thing forever, regardless of ideology,
you can build on that that compounds. We have a
new bit of discussion that enters the bloodstream that will

(22:46):
maybe transform a discussion that's never changed again. Left right
supply side libertarian. They were predicting crisis for as long
as you and I've been alive, and they've never been correct.
And they haven't been correct. Their focused on symptoms rather
than the real crisis. And that's a government that taxes
us way too much, and because it does, it can

(23:07):
borrow way too much.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
Now, the other aspects here, I think it's going to
be really important for people who typically don't think a
whole lot about economics. Either they are mistakenly thinking that
it's just too hard to grasp or they don't feel
like it really affects them direct, which is one of
the most silly thing I've ever heard anyone say. But

(23:31):
this book is really written in a fashion that a
lay person is not going to struggle to understand what
you're telling them here. This is really an effort to
get solid information and new ways of thinking in the
hands of a lot of people who maybe have felt
intimidated in that effort.

Speaker 8 (23:51):
Oh, absolutely, I think you put it so well. There's
no charts in this book, there's no graphs, there's no equations.
Telling stories about businesses that everyone knows. I'm telling stories
about people Donald Trump, about Nvidia, about Uber, about Ross
parrot about home depot to get people to think about

(24:15):
debt in an all new way. There's nothing complicated in here.
It's just saying that this is how debt works through
things that people understand. And then it's saying, this is
the meaning of government extraction of resources. It's what we're
not getting to do. It's the progress that's not taking
place that should have people worried. And so there's nothing

(24:37):
that's hard to understand. It's just, hey, they're telling you
the wrong thing. They're actually throwing charts and graphs and
equations at you. They're throwing economic theory at you, and
they're not just wrong, but they're dangerously wrong. And so
here's the way, an all new way of looking at
it that's not complicated for anyone.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
All right, John, I hate too because it feels like
we're just kind of dancing around the not really getting
too deep into things. But we are quickly running out
of time. So that means number one, I'm going to
have to invite you back, and I hope you'll be
able to so we can dig deeper at some point
down the road. But in the meanwhile, please let everybody
know where they can find your work. Feel free to

(25:16):
share any of the websites, let them know where they
can find not only The Deficit Delusion, but your other
books as well, and then any final closing thought you'd
like to share.

Speaker 8 (25:27):
Well, thanks so much for having me on that's the
first thing. Thank you for having such a successful show
and giving me forum. You can find me on Twitter.
You can find me on realclear markets dot com, which
I edit and I usually put out at least one
column a day. My books are all on Amazon. The
Deficit Delusion just came out on Tuesday, so it's newly

(25:49):
available to purchase. You know, give them a try again.
There's nothing complicated about them. They're just stories about businesses
and people you understand, you know well, playing bigger themes,
and maybe out of that you'll get a new way
of thinking. Because everyone thinks the same way on debt,
and they've been thinking the same way on the way

(26:09):
to the debt going up forty one times what it
was in nineteen eighty. That should tell us something that
they don't. It's not just that they're wrong about the debt,
that they're profoundly wrong, and in doing so that they
can't even see why it continues to rise despite all
their predictions, and so let's have a new discussion.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
That sounds like a really good idea. John, thank you
so much again for coming on. I greatly appreciate it.
Everything you're doing is it is Layman's availability, it is
yeoman's work, and you are really just arming people with
information in a way that's easy to digest, that takes

(26:51):
a special talent. Not everyone has it. You do in spades.
Thank you so much for everything you do. God speak
to you, sir, and I hope we get to talk
again sometimes soon.

Speaker 8 (27:01):
I'd love to come back. Thanks so much for having
me on.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, Mister John Tamney, if you're
listening to the podcast, we'll have links in the show
description if you're listening live. If you didn't quite catch
everything that John said, then come find the podcast somewhere
in archives. The show description to work, and I meanwhile,
let's take the mid hour break. We'll be right back

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Speaker 7 (33:24):
This is Captain Dousla Serness, the author of the book
The Spirit of the Truth Patriot, listening to Kim Tap
and Tap into the truth.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
Alrighty, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for staying with us
for that very bray break. I'm going to skip protocol.
We're gonna wait to do the uh AD read after
we talk with our next guest. He is, of course
the author of the Spirit of a True Patriot. He
is a retired US Army captain as well as an

(34:12):
extremely successful corvette dealer in the city of Dallas in
the great state of Texas, and he is certainly one
of my favorite guests to have on at this point
because you can always count on him to bring forth
a positive message, but a smart one to boot. Ladies
and gentlemen, please welcome back to the show once again,

(34:33):
Captain Douglas Ernest, Captain, welcome back. Thank you so much
for joining us again. And how are things at the
birthday parties here here?

Speaker 15 (34:43):
Thanks for being on the shout out to my daughter
her sports look day today Daily honest is four years old.
So I picked her up from school at lunch and
took her to go to her favorite jungle gym, and
we spend the day together and we're having a.

Speaker 16 (34:58):
Blast at the birthday party.

Speaker 15 (35:00):
Thanks for asking my friends.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
All right, well, we'll try not to take up too
much time because obviously you got to get back to
the family. That is why we do what we do.
Have something to pass on to them, came.

Speaker 7 (35:12):
I want to say one thing.

Speaker 15 (35:14):
I've done one hundreds of these interviews in my career,
and you are one of my favorite, is not the top.
I always enjoy your conversation. I told you every time
I get on this show.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
I tell you this.

Speaker 15 (35:26):
I was at home depot six months ago and a
guy walked up to me and said, I saw you
on Tim Tap and gave me a thumbs up and
walked away. And I was in the middle of ulyth Texas,
and a guy walked up to me and told me that,
and I thought that was so cool. So I love
the Tim Tap show. We all have the same viewpoints,
we all have the same perspective, and we're all true patriots.

(35:48):
So I always enjoy being on your show, and I'm
never gonna miss it.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
All right, Well, I certainly appreciate that and that story.
It never gets old. I like hearing that story. Anyway,
we've got something really really frustrating I think going on
right now. Donald Trump is so focused on trying to

(36:15):
end the conflict in Russia in Ukraine. And you know,
we've discussed this before, and we've talked about pros and cons,
we've talked about various positions in order to try to
get to a compromise and at least to get some
real negotiations going on. And it really really felt like

(36:37):
this past week we had some serious movement in a
direction that might actually bring everyone to the table and
get us really really close to having an agreed upon framework,
which of course is the first step. And then afterwards,
Vladimir Putin makes a statement that seems to make it

(37:00):
pretty clear. He sends out his arrogance. It seems to
make it pretty clear we're really not much closer than
we were before. We might be a little, but nowhere's
near as much progress was made as we had hoped.
Now I look at Vladimir and I think to myself, XKGB,
who has said on more than one occasion that he

(37:22):
wants his legacy to be re establishing the glory of
the Russian Empire. So I instantly start thinking that he's
just trying to string things along. He's stalling, and right
now he feels like he's winning, so he's not particularly
motivated to try to stop until he feels like he
has broken Ukraine. That makes me concerned exactly what we

(37:48):
do need to do to force him to the table.
But with all that being said, I've called you and
interrupted your family time to get your take on this.
So what was your initial response and how are you
feeling about it right now?

Speaker 7 (38:02):
You know, Pim the way I like to look at it,
as you know, I went to military strategy school when
I was you know, nineteen ninety six. I went to
execution Faye school back in ninety seven. And anytime you're
having a negotiation, a back and forth, there's there's tits
for tat. I give you a little, you give me something.
And it's happened in every treaty of time and every
proclamation has ever been done. And every time we bring

(38:23):
an end to a war that doesn't end with the
enemy being brought to their knees and the total destruction
of the nation. This is normal. This is just a
normal routine way of doing business. I would say, look
at the historical last three almost four years in what
our previous presidency did. They did absolutely nothing except fuel

(38:45):
the flames and add to the dumpster fire. Donald Trump,
a multi billionaire, is taking his time instead of running
the country to go put out this war, to help
end this war and end this senseless bloodshed around the globe,
is a genius. In my opinion, He's someone that I
looked up to. It's someone I consider a role model,

(39:05):
my hero, if you will, and someone that actually is
doing this for the good of mankind. So, yes, we're
having one step forward, half a step back, you know,
two steps forward, one step back. That's just normal when
you're going through negotiations. I learned that in military strategy training.
And then I also learned that being a car dealer,
people don't just come in and lay down and say

(39:26):
I want to buy your car. I'll take full asking price,
I want to pay all the taxes, and by the way,
I want to warranty, and I want to pay the
highest interest rate you have available. That's not the way
things go. When you're making a deal, people have to
bring it to the table. You have to lay out
your side, you have to establish your boundaries and one
that's established. You have this back and forth. Now Putin

(39:47):
has one, but he's also brought his nation to a demise.
One thing that we looked at this week from a
strategic perspective is the Russian economy. We expected the Russian
economy to collapse during this war. It didn't. We actually
have an average of one percent growth in the GDP
of Russia year over year. But the problem they have

(40:07):
in Russia is we have twenty percent interest rates and
we have twenty one percent inflation. So the people in
this country are not happy with Vladimir Putin. They're also
not happy with the bloodshed they's been left on the battlefield,
with these young men that have been left the guy
and in my opinion, have been set out to be
slaughtered for something that's aimlessly, you know, with no hope,
no hope in sight, no goal, no mission. No, here's

(40:29):
our objective. We want to have a straight objective and
we will say we've won the war.

Speaker 8 (40:33):
There is no.

Speaker 7 (40:34):
Objective in Ukraine. It's not feasible to say they're going
to take over the entire nation. It's just not feasible.
So right now, Donald Trump, in my opinion, has been
doing an outstanding drive and not just Donald Trump his administration,
the players behind the scenes to try to put this
field together. We are so much further ahead than we
were three years ago, two years ago, one year ago,

(40:54):
even one month ago when we couldn't get these two
players to the table. One other things I have to
mentioned to you, Kim, I was on an NTD live
interview when Volademmer Zanelski got to the White House. And
when I was on that interview, I had a liberal
counterpower and me and they put us against each other.
So we have this give and take, this paradox is

(41:14):
back and forth that we could argue with each other
and say what they're going to say. And I wasn't
optimistic it was going to be a good visit with Vala,
Dimmers Andelski. When I went to military strategy school years ago,
it talked about being in uniform at the proper time.
If you look at an American soldier, a Marine, an airman,
a coast guard, everybody looks the same. Your uniform is exact,
and it's precisely exactly the same. They do that because

(41:38):
you're in uniformity, you're all on the same path. You're
all moving forward with inertial forces. Vala dimmers Danelski shows
up to the White House last time, in my opinion,
extremely disrespectful to the office and showed up in leisurely
closed I expected him to do the same this time
because that's just the kind of person he was. That's
what I was expecting. I was completely contradicted, and he

(41:59):
showed up up in a certain time, and that just
shows you that this person, the leader of Ukraine, is
actually flowing to put a deal together. You have putin
who finally has some sort of respect from the nation.
Now we're not going to respect the things he's done,
but you have to have some sort of respect if
you're going to go to the table. You can't go
to the table and tell people how bad they are
and expect them to put a deal together with you.

(42:21):
Russia is making attempts to put a deal together. Valademmerzenelski
is attempting with his communication, his body style, his agreement
with President Trump and his administration, and President Trump is
working aniously to put these two together. So, in my opinion,
we're not fifty percent of the way there, we might
not even be thirty percent of the way there, but
we're much further ahead than we were two years ago,

(42:43):
three years ago, and we're one step closer to getting
the deal done and ending this senseless war that has
lost a millions of lives and injured a million people
and killed them almost a million and injured these people.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Bommy, you lay out a lot of important information there
for folks to digest, and every point is spot on.
But that's exactly the thing we need to hear right now,
because our knee jerk reaction is circling back around to frustration.
We've become so accustomed to Donald Trump being able to

(43:19):
cut deals almost instantly. I mean, in the past three weeks,
we've seen him literally stop three separate international They weren't
quite wars, but maybe on the verge of becoming wars.

(43:39):
A couple of them might have actually kind of almost
already been there. So we've seen him be able to
maneuver in these high, high stress high I'm now struggling
to find the right word here. For some reason, it
was on the tip of my tongue. But anyway, these
high stress scenarios where there was a lot on the

(44:01):
line and he comes in and he's able to get
both sides to see logic, and we've seen this before too.
Trump one point zero, when the creation of the Abraham
Accords were put in place, got a lot of people
talking that nobody ever thought you could get to have

(44:22):
a conversation through proxies that alone in the same room.
And they're continuing to do this too. It just feels
like there's something different about this particular scenario, and I
guess partially because they've already been locked in longer than
they should have been, and there comes a point where
that level of loss raises the stakes even more. You

(44:46):
have to walk away feeling like you've won something important
or there's no reason to stop, and then the other
side has to feel like they the stakes are high
enough that if they just want to survive, they've got
to get them to stop. If you're going to have
a counterbalance, it's probably going to take a lot more

(45:07):
than what would like to be given by the outside parties.
But I think the important aspect here is Donald Trump's
also been very clever inso much as making Europe understand
this is really their problem. He's willing to put some
influence in, but Europe has to be willing to clean
up their own messes. And the US will be happy
to help them sweep once the deal's done. How impressed

(45:32):
are you with that, because it seems like something that
we haven't had a person setting in sixteen hundred Pennsylvania
Avenue maybe since Civil War days that would have had
the gump shin.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
To do that.

Speaker 6 (45:43):
You know.

Speaker 7 (45:44):
And another thing that came to mind when you were
speaking about that was my childhood when Ronald Reagan and
Gorvertrok got together. I remember as a kid watching on
TV and being told it was impossible to make a
deal with these two nations and that we would never
bring peace. And if you were remember the relationship that
came out of it. You had the almighty Soviet Union,

(46:05):
you know, the two biggest adversaries who were on the
brink of nuclear war. When you'd watch the mainstream media
back when I was a kid and later, these two
men would get in a room and joke around and
laugh and tease each other and have fun and poke
at each other. And that is possible. I'm not expecting
to have this warm, loving relationships like I described with
goerver Tropp and Ragan, but it is possible to be

(46:27):
able to put this together. You're talking about a man
that is one of the most influence, probably the most
influential person on the planet right now. Donald Trump. He's
one he's as defied all odds. He's overcome so many adversities.
He's had the not only the liberal media, but the
liberal political forces try to destroy him, try to take

(46:47):
him down, try to you know, you know, try you
with an assassination attempt. He's had everything done to him
where most people, I believe ninety nine point nine percent
people in this world would have stopped. You know, I
have I believe I have intestinal fort to two, but
I don't have that much intestinal fortitude. It be to
have a bullet robbed at me at five five six,
and then have everybody on the political left try to

(47:10):
take you down and commit criminal acts to try to
destroy you and make up things against you, destroy your family,
destroy your reputation. So this person goes through all that
and then gets to that point and does this out
of the kindness of the heart, for the goodness of mankind,
and trying to bring these people together. And it takes
a person like this, someone has influential as Winston Churchill,

(47:32):
someone that could bring people to the table to help
make a deal. And there's nobody else on this planet
with the influence and the skill sets and the art
of making that deal than Donald Trump. So if anybody's
going to put this together, it's him. If you don't
have this deal, the other spectrum, the other one eighty,
is senseless war. Three thousand to seven thousand people a

(47:55):
week are dying, Economies are crashing, Collateral damage is unreal. Women,
elderly children are dying. Infrastructure is being destroyed that later
will have to be rebuilt. Economies are being destroyed. It
also hurts the international economy because you don't have oil
that's being put out there, and it props up the

(48:17):
place of oil higher than it should be. Everything is
good about making a deal. What I don't like coming
from a perspective of someone that doesn't want war. I've
been to a war twice, I've seen bloodshed. I don't
want war unless it's absolutely necessary. And this war was senseless.
You see the mainstream media, and you see the political left,

(48:38):
and you see the Hollywood elites talking how bad this is,
how President Trump is chumming up to Futin, how he's
not standing up for Ukraine. Standing up for Ukraine means
that three to seven thousand people a week are going
to die and blood is going to be left on
the battlefield. So that's not a good analogy to put
out there. That we want to continue to support you

(49:00):
training by supporting weaponry. We want to be able to
bring a deal together now. Number one, we'd be able
to find a way to just get a ceasefire. That's
number one. If you can stop the bullets from going
back and forth, that gives you a chance to continue
your talks. Number Two, we're going to have to decide
what's going to happen with the property line. We talked
about this before, over and over and over. It's on

(49:23):
the news, it's in the mainstream media, it's on the
lips of Ala Denver Zenelski. They don't want the borders
to change, but the borders have changed. Russia already occupies
this area. Russia was President Obama in fourteen when they
took over Kerma on that part of the world. He
said it wasn't going to be allowed and did nothing.
Joe Biden said there was going to be a line

(49:44):
in the sand, and if you cross that, Sam, we're
going to do this, and he did nothing. President Trump
is saying we're not going to give you an imaginary line.
We're going to tell you what your border's going to be.
We're going to make a deal, and if you cross that,
there's going to be Natal tricks on the other side.
There perhaps do air force from the United States above.
You won't be able to cross that border. There is

(50:05):
no imaginary line. There's going to be a line put
on paper. There's going to be a contract drawn up,
and if you violate that, you're going to have the
full force at you of NATO. And rightfully so so
in my perspective from a military strategic perspective, from the
training that I've had in my previous career, it is
doing everything by the book. It's by the book. It's

(50:25):
getting the job done slowly, giving a little bit a
give and take, a tip for tat making it move
along forward until you get somewhere in the middle where
everybody can be happy and leave the table with some
sort of decency and respect, and finally being able to
deliver to the American people the promise he made. If
you remember the campaign trail he put together, he promised
us over and over that he was going to bring

(50:48):
this war to an end. So for Trump and his legacy,
he's already achieved everything a human being can do in
the world. But the last thing he could do is
to Cementa's legacy, is to bring this deal to a
close and this senseless war.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
Well, I certainly hope that this is something that can
be done in short order. Again, we've gotten accustomed to
Trump moving into speed of business, not the usual speed
of government, so I know the people of Ukraine would
greatly appreciate that as well. Captain again, I want to

(51:22):
thank you so much for carving out some time to
join us tonight. It would have been completely understandable if
you had just said no. So I'm here. I'm feeling
guilty that we're taking you away from your daughter on
her birthday. So I want to give you a chance
to let everybody know where they can find you, share

(51:42):
your websites, let them know where they can find the book.
And then once you're done with that, go tell your
daughter I said, happy birthday, and we'll get together again
sometime soon.

Speaker 7 (51:53):
Well, Tim, thank you so much for that. And the
first thing I want to say is, when President Trump
was on the campaign trail, I was doing these interviews
and I felt like it was hopeless because I was
being told by the mainstream media he had no chance
of winning. I would get up at two o'clock in
the morning and write. I would stay up late and
prepare for my interviews. The next day. I would go

(52:13):
to class, come home, take care of my kids, put
them to bed, and they go back in my office
and prepare, sometimes doing seven, eight, nine, ten interviews a week.
I did it when I thought it wasn't going to happen,
because that's intestament of fortitude, and you want to keep
it going. And I think the same thing for this.
This is something I'm passionate about. I want these wars
to end. I've seen war on the battlefield. I've been

(52:36):
there and seen people's body parts destroyed, and I know
how detrimental is I'd been on the battlefield and cleared
a bunker and found a dead person and then found
their wallet with their picture of their four children. And
I know how senseless it is to have a war ongoing,
especially this censeless war that could have been avoided, as
President Trump said, if he was president. But now I'm

(52:57):
committed to doing everything I can do. I get the
word out to one more person that influences their thinking.
If I can get one more person to say, I'm
not going to listen to the mainstream media's bolognee and
listen to this crap that they put out, and then
that influences the spectrum in some way, It's worth it, Tim,
And I know that I've done my part. To me,

(53:18):
that's my fulfillment in life. I know that I've given
all that I got.

Speaker 6 (53:21):
All right.

Speaker 7 (53:21):
Then to close, the name of the book that I
wrote is the Spirit of a True Patriot. It's a
story about my life how I joined the army at
seventeen years old. I worked myself up from being a private,
then a sergeant, then a lieutenant, and later a captain.
I served twenty years in the military, and I simultaneously
at the same time, started a business by the name
of Corporate at Warehouse Corvette Warehouse dot com. I became

(53:43):
an entrepreneur while I was serving in the military, and
I did it as a hobby and I later did
it as a career. We are now the largest corvette
dealership in the country. We're about two hundred and twenty
five corvettes right now. We are exceeded everything I could
possibly imagine and I did this, and I learned these skills,
that's these tactics, these techniques from everything I learned in
the military. I didn't get this in high school. I

(54:05):
didn't get this in college. I got it from Joe,
Sergeant Robinson. I got it from Captain Brown. I got
it from all these great leaders and mentors that I
had in my career that taught me how to be
a good person, that taught me how to be an
outstanding soldier. And later I use those skill sets and
became a business person. And now I do it where
I can employ people, I can do something I'm passionate about,

(54:26):
which is take care and improve these Corvettes, which is
the longest running American product line. So, in a nutshell,
the name of the book is a Spirit of a
true Patriot. You can find it at Douglassernest dot com.
You can go to the Corvette Warehouse dot com and
click the wing and all proceeds profits and roll withies
go to serve veterans groups that desperately need your help.
So please take this opportunity and buy the book him.

(54:48):
It's an absolute pleasure. I'm going to go on and
give this girl a little kiss.

Speaker 5 (54:51):
Now, all right, that sounds like a great way to
finish things up again. Thank you, sir, godspeed, and I
look forward to getting to get other again down the road.

Speaker 7 (55:01):
Talk to you, let Jim thank you, appreciate you, sir.

Speaker 5 (55:04):
All right, all right, ladies and gentlemen, Captain Douglas ernest
the spirit of a true patriot, I think it shines
through when you hear him talk with the passion glad
to have him here along for the ride, and before
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Speaker 17 (58:01):
Powers was the first revolution in the history of mankind
that truly reversed the course of government. And with three
little words, we the people, We the people tell the
government what to do. It doesn't tell us. We the
people are the driver, the government is the car, and
we decide where it should go and by what route.

Speaker 5 (58:22):
And how fast.

Speaker 17 (58:23):
Almost all the world's constitutions are documents in which governments
tell the people what their privileges are. Our constitution is
a document in which we the people tell the government
what it is allowed to do. We the people are free.
There's a clear cause and effect here that is as
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(58:44):
expands liberty contracts.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
You're listening to tap into the troit.

Speaker 10 (59:01):
And so.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Again, this is Tim Tap, host of Tapping to the

(59:28):
Truth that you can hear every Friday night from seven
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(01:00:29):
host of Tapping to the Truth.

Speaker 6 (01:00:35):
But I guess that doesn't cut in.

Speaker 18 (01:00:42):
I almost wish you one of those day too.

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you so very much
for staying with us as we now are diving headlong
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very often because they don't like me much. But you've
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Speaker 7 (01:05:06):
Ah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:07):
You have undoubtedly seen her work before, and you may
not have even realized it at the time. She's also
the author of Real Men Don't Go Woke at least
that's her most recent boot, and she is now a
spokesperson for the International Council of Men and Voice ladies

(01:05:27):
and gentlemen, and it's time to welcome back to the show,
doctor Gilda. Doctor Gilda, thank you so much for coming
on with us. And before we get started, how are.

Speaker 6 (01:05:35):
You today, Well, what a pleasure to speak to you again.
I'm just doing fine. It's just a beautiful Friday afternoon.
And oh where I am. Your time is nighttime. My
time is only five o'clock, so it's beautiful, and I'm
looking forward to the rest of the weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
Well, hopefully it'll be a fantastic one. We do have
to get to a very serious topic here. We're looking
constantly at the marginalization of men. We're being told that
to beat masculine is to be toxic. We're being told

(01:06:17):
so many negative things about the natural roles that men
should play in the world. And you have been a
voice of reason and logic for a very long time,
even before there were organizations for you to be a
spokesperson for. But it really seems like now there is

(01:06:39):
apparently a little bit of a shift, which means that
the folks on the left who have been pushing this
narrative are trying even harder than they were before because
they want to squash this movement before it gets too
far along. But that brings us to the very real
question one that I teased when we first came on
the end, and I think it's a great starting point

(01:07:02):
for our conversation. I think it's time to ask the question,
is the patriarchy a feminist myth?

Speaker 6 (01:07:13):
Well lately, I just saw a report that said that
the Dems don't want to even use the word patriarchy anymore.
They don't want to use words that we've all been
accustomed to hearing. Woke is one of them, and they
want to become sound as though they're becoming more mainstream.

(01:07:37):
The truth of the matter is that they claim that
men have held the world in the palm of their
hands and that women are the ones who have been
left out. Well, in reality, The International Council for Men
and Boys, the one that I am spokesperson for, did

(01:07:58):
a study, and we have so manyhds as part of
this organization. We do do a lot of research and
we found that around the world, not only in the
United States, around the world, men and boys are lagging
in twelve areas in education, in health, in false allegations

(01:08:20):
as victims of violence. Would you believe that men are
more violated by women than women are of men. We
don't hear that in the mainstream media. They're also lagging
behind in parenting, in the criminal system, in homelessness, in

(01:08:43):
the workplace. I mean, this goes on and not The
eleventh point is adoption and reproduction, and it goes on
and on. To the media. Sixty of men are thought
of and written about and televised as unfavorable men, acting

(01:09:07):
like buffoones in syscoms. I just recently interviewed Kevin Sorbo,
who's been on a whole kickook on this, and he's
had his remnants with Hollywood as well because of his
speaking out. But what I have found is that women
are becoming meaner and meaner, and men are becoming more silent.

(01:09:33):
They're not opening their mouths. They said, why should I bother?
I'm being cut down, put down, castrated, tell themselves. I mean,
you name it. Nobody wants to hear from me, So
I'm shutting up and that's it. And I read, I
actually read the comments on my tiktoks and I post
about all of this, and men are in droves are

(01:09:55):
saying enough is enough, is enough. I do not want
to get married again. I am divorced. I'm living happily
ever after. I don't believe that really for a moment,
because we need each other. But Okay, they are hurting,
they are disgusted, they are sick and tired of being
put down and squashed, and they're not voicing their anger

(01:10:17):
towards men. Understand that these men on TikTok are all disguised.
Zorro one two three is not somebody I can react to,
so you know, I can't. I can't get to them.
And especially threatening, I think, is that one man said
to me, I'm at the end, I'm ending it soon,

(01:10:38):
and I would have wanted to reach out to him.
I said, please contact me, and of course he was disguised.
You know, President Trump talked about men being four times
more likely than women to die by suicide, and I
wonder if he had gotten it from this book, because

(01:11:01):
I sent them a copy. The truth is that this
is not going in a positive direction right now, and
I don't know how quickly we can get this turned around,
but we definitely need more women such as myself speaking
out against this.

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
Yeah, I certainly applaud all the effort and energy that
you put in to trying to put the information back
out in the hands of the people. You are so personable,
and you have certainly found your calling. You are doing
exactly what you should be doing.

Speaker 6 (01:11:41):
Oh so many witchy women don't think I'm so personable.

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
Well most of them aren't, So it's hard to it's
hard to be really pleasant with people who refuse to
be pleasant back. But I think what really is said
is that a lot of the women that you're having
to try to push back but they're kind of victims
here too, because in a lot of ways they don't
even know what they're missing. They've fallen prey to a

(01:12:09):
leftist ideology, because a lot of this still stems back
to the Marxist notion that people are just widgets and
therefore men and women should be interchangeable, and then they
utilize that as an excuse to assume new roles in society.
And in the effort to assume these new roles, they
kind of forget that there's nothing wrong with a more

(01:12:32):
traditional one, and believe it.

Speaker 6 (01:12:37):
Or not, sometimes a guy may seem toxic, but so
well a women. They get off this whole kick. A
guy doesn't have to worry about being called toxic if
he's in an environment that is loving and giving and understanding.
But it's it's either he's this or that, and all

(01:12:59):
these women come out and not all these, not those women,
but so many other women who are grounded or saying
where are the men? I can't find a man? And
of course you can't find a man because the majority
of the negative women have been blocking out the man's space.
They're making men color and say, I'm not opening my

(01:13:21):
mouth anymore. Guys have said to me, I am telling
my sons never get married, never have children. Now what's
that doing for the.

Speaker 7 (01:13:35):
Future?

Speaker 6 (01:13:35):
What's that doing for us? How are we going to
make this better? I'll tell you this is all in
the hands of women right now. We have got to
make this a safer space for men to communicate with us.
If they feel that they're going to be cut off immediately,
they're not going to and so many of them have

(01:13:58):
been hurt then they don't want to be bothered. And
you're absolutely right, tim People who are hurt and hurting
go out and hurt other people because they don't know
any better. So we need a whole revamping.

Speaker 7 (01:14:16):
Of what is going on.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:14:18):
That's why when I wrote Real Men Don't Go Woke,
I do have a portion in there talking about how
to get rid of the emotional problems that are standing
in your way of allowing a woman to take control
of your life, and their exercises for men to do
in the privacy of their home where they don't have

(01:14:40):
to ask anybody permission. They can do these exercises and
there are quickie questions to ask and to make you
think what is next for me in life? It's certainly
not to commit suicide, but that ends it all, and
what is that going to be for our progeny?

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
Yeah, I think sometimes it's really hard in the moment
for folks to realize that, Okay, you've had a bad experience,
and it may be a really, really bad experience, but
that doesn't mean that you're not going to be able
to weather that storm and then actually go find the

(01:15:25):
place where you're supposed to be with the person you're
supposed to be with. It's just so much of where
our culture has gone, despite the best efforts of people
like yourself, is to this place of hopelessness before they
even try and I think that's a mindset that is

(01:15:46):
really hard to break through. If we can get this
information in their hands, if we can take all the
research that you guys are doing and making sure that
people realize that Okay, here, here, and here, and oh,
by the way, if you would have just read this
chapter in my book, you would see exactly how this

(01:16:07):
applies to you. That is where the victories can be won.
But it's breaking over that threshold and getting the people
to take that step and getting them to take that breath,
to start thinking a little differently and start looking at
the world a little bit differently, because all the problems
they're facing are are not exactly new problems, they just

(01:16:28):
may be packaged a little differently. And we've always found
a way to move on before these folks. They can
be better, they can be stronger. That's the message we
need to try to get through to them.

Speaker 6 (01:16:41):
Oh, there's no question about that. And you know, we've
all our heads. I mean, let's face it, everybody has
had issues and that's what makes the journey so rewarding.
When you have come into the dark tunnel and out
on the other side into the light. So once you
can understand that life doesn't have to continue this way,

(01:17:03):
that it can be better and safer and nicer and
kinder and more giving. But the things that I see
where the men are just so upset with how they've
been treated. And they're right, I mean when I mentioned
the twelve areas in which we're lagging behind. But take

(01:17:23):
for example, false allegations. So many men are accused of
doing things that they haven't even done. And one of
the examples I use is Johnny Depp. And I talk
about men who have stood up despite all the possibilities
of negativity that could crush their career, their life, their livelihood, everything,

(01:17:45):
but they have stood up. And Johnny Depp is one
of those people. He was once deemed the richest man
in Hollywood, and he married Amber Heard, and all of
a sudden he was called a wife beater and some
horrible things. He said, I can't allow this to name
my reputation this way, and I cannot allow my children

(01:18:10):
to hear these negative terms, And so he fought back,
and fortunately, thank god, he won in court and she
had to end up paying him a whole lot of money.
So things can turn around. Now. Men in general don't
have the kind of resources that Johnny Depp had. But

(01:18:30):
that's why I wrote the book, to give men an
opportunity to see that there is another way and it's
not so hard to figure this out. Once a man
can understand that all he has to do is answer

(01:18:53):
a couple of questions about himself, he is on his
way to finding solutions for emotional detos. And that's why
I would like this book in the schools for every
high school boy and girl to read. It's that important.
And I don't talk about a legislator's names because nobody

(01:19:14):
knows them. I talk about people who are in the news,
Phil Vester, still One, Chris Rock, Will Smith. I mean
all of the things that have happened that we know
about the depression of Simon Cowell, the depression of Howie Mandel,
guys whose names we're familiar with. One man says, thank
you so much for listing those men's names. I had

(01:19:37):
no idea I had company. Being so depressed, men have
fought to understand that there are others like them who
are suffering, and we can all get together. And if
women will cooperate and make it a safer environment for
men to speak out about their feelings, and their fears

(01:19:57):
we're onto a much better world.

Speaker 5 (01:20:01):
Yeah, it still doesn't help though that men are generally
hardwired to not want to share that kind of information and.

Speaker 6 (01:20:10):
So but that's conditioning, that's the conditioning. And of course
if they just reach out a little tiny bit and
they're slapped down, well they're not going to do it again.

Speaker 5 (01:20:23):
Yeah. Yeah, it's it's just really really hard to take
that first step. But then it becomes so much easier
once you do take that first step, when you're in
the right do you do that?

Speaker 6 (01:20:39):
But you also this also has to do with selecting
the right partner, the right partner to home to share
with whom to share, and that takes some guts and risks.
But you have to feel better about yourself before you

(01:20:59):
reach out. And so you know, if some of these
guys want to drop out, as they're saying that they do, okay,
that's fine. Maybe that's a good thing for a little while,
and then collect themselves, collect their thoughts, and then come
back to women who really appreciate who they are and
avoid those who do not.

Speaker 5 (01:21:22):
All right, we are quickly running out of time. And
I had one more question that I really wanted to
get to before we started winding down. And what I
really wanted to know is looking at all this information
in the data, this list of all the different areas
that they're avolved, was there any of them that kind

(01:21:44):
of popped out in your mind that was a surprise
to you? Because, I mean, you doing what you do,
you've probably seen a lot of this kind of moving
in this direction for a while before folks started recognizing it.
So was there anything that just kind of like, gosh,
I really had no idea that this was happening or

(01:22:07):
at least this badly.

Speaker 6 (01:22:10):
The thing that popped out most for me, in particular,
was that the violence against men is greater around the
world than violence against women. We have always thought of
domestic violence as perpetrated on women by men, and that's
what mainstream media taught us all to believe, and this

(01:22:33):
is not the case. The numbers are staggering, and I
mean these are real numbers that have been collected and
that have been shown to all of us. And it's
not pretty when you see that men are beaten up

(01:22:56):
more than women. I mean, that was shocking to me.

Speaker 8 (01:23:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
Well, I have to tell you though, having played basketball
in high school and occasionally having discrimmage against the girls.
That doesn't surprise me at all. Those girls are vicious.

(01:23:22):
Well again, doctor, I greatly appreciate you taking some of
your valuable time and hanging out with us and talking
about these important topics. Before we say our final goodbyes,
please take a moment to let everybody know where they
can find your work. Share the websites for both the

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organization and for the books, and any other websites you'd
like to throw out there so people can help find
your work. And as long as you're inviting people to
follow you anywhere on social media, also feel free to
share handles and platforms because we want people to be
able to get in touch with you you and help
get this message.

Speaker 8 (01:24:03):
Well.

Speaker 6 (01:24:03):
You can start with real men don't go walk on Amazon,
and you can find out additional details with real life
testimonials from some of the people who have read the book.
One one person called it a love letter for men
because it's not in any way nasty or foot down

(01:24:26):
or mail bashing, not at all. I'm outlining everything as
it should be, honestly outlined, and it should have been
outlined in mainstream media. In addition, you can go to
my website Doctor Gilda dot com, d R G I
L d A dot com and there's all the information
you need, and I'm on every social media platform known

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to womankind and mankind. Enough.

Speaker 5 (01:24:55):
All right, well again, thank you so much. And you know,
it's always a lot of fun to get to talk
to you as well, because the pleasure and the love
of people just it oozes off of you in a
way that thank you. It's really hard to quantify, but

(01:25:16):
it's impossible to miss. So I appreciate everything you do
and I look forward to getting together with you and
continuing the conversation a little bit down the road. Hopefully
we'll be able to talk about some improved lives for
a lot of these men. In the meanwhile, enjoy your week,
enjoy your weekend, have a great time, and God speak

(01:25:39):
to you.

Speaker 6 (01:25:41):
Thank you, Tim, say to you God bless you.

Speaker 7 (01:25:44):
Bye bye bye.

Speaker 5 (01:25:46):
All right, ladies and gentlemen. That was a Doctor Gilda
Carl and We will have links in the show description
if you're listening to the podcast, and like I said,
if you're listening live, you can always come find the
archives for the podcast us about anywhere you listen to
audio podcasts and that. Meanwhile, let's take the mid hour

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break and on the other side we'll see if we
can make some magic happen, and fingers crossed, we might
be able to get through the rest of the show
without me getting knocked off the air. I'm gonna jinx
it aren't I. I don't go anywhere because you do.
We'll want to know if I did or didn't. We'll
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am I age still on? I'm still on my own? Okay, Okay, well,
here we go fingers crossed it Maybe shows will be
able to give us a call in a little bit,
but if not, I'll hold off on discussing that topic
and let's talk about something that broke just a few

(01:36:09):
hours ago. You may be familiar with the name Joe Sansburg.
If you're in California, you're probably really familiar with him,
But there's a good chance that you may have heard
the name because he's one of the top California Democrat activists. He's,
of course decried the corruption of big Wall Street banks.

(01:36:34):
He started a company marketing as the cleaner alternative, actually
propped up proposed claimed that the company he let it up. Well, okay,
there's no diplomatic way of putting it. He propped up

(01:36:57):
his company through blatant fraud, and he actually admitted it.
Earlier this week, Sandberg and other high profile Democrats stated
that the carbon credit platform, an online banking app Aspiration Partners, Inc.

(01:37:18):
Promising to plant trees and not invest in polluting industries. Well,
its motto was clean rich is the new filthy rich.
It was once pretty popular. It was a star in
the environmental, social and government's movement. Yes, the dreaded s,

(01:37:44):
the dreaded ESG you know that thing that blended corporate
finance with leftist politics and courted actors like Leonardo DiCaprio
and Robert Downey Junior as investors. They did a lot
of lefty, questionable stuff, things that would have made people

(01:38:07):
like you and I questioned seriously exactly what they were
up to and evidently it was rightfully so to be
questioned because it was instead of this great ESG banking app,
it was a scheme. It was a scheme that was

(01:38:27):
just as corrupt as idy that he could claim to
have been on Wall Street with Stanberg concocting fake customers
for his tree planning services to try to dupe investors
into a two billion dollar valuation. The Department of Justice

(01:38:48):
has now looked into this, and now Sandsberg faces up
to forty let me say that again, not four forty.
This is up to forty years in prison after pleading
guilty to two counts of wire fraud. That's got to

(01:39:10):
be some pretty big wire fraud for only two counts
to get you forty freaking years but a two billion
valid evaluation? Man, how much were they claiming to have
actually moved? I mean setting up fraudulents. I got a
thumbs up, I mean we've got our guests. No, no,

(01:39:33):
just thumbs up on the jerky Okay, okay. At this point,
I'm getting excited and again I'm getting thumbs up, which
is usually something, but right now, this moment in time,
if you were one of the listeners that signed up
for a Jerky Snob subscription while we were promoting them.
You will know that Doug in the control he is

(01:39:57):
thoroughly enjoyed. He has enjoyed little everything he's gotten, except
for the one super uber mega mega spicy jerkey that
he did actually find somebody to give it to, and they,
at least in a very manly fashion, pretended to be
able to enjoy it. I don't know if that's back,

(01:40:18):
but he's thoroughly enjoying it. So if you signed up
during that timeframe, I'm guessing you guys are probably loving
yours too. It is it can be challenging to find
good jerky. There's a lot of cheap, dry stuff out there,
a lot of too chewy or too soft. A lot

(01:40:39):
of these jerkeys that they've been getting are really really good.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
Just stay away from the Walmart jerky.

Speaker 5 (01:40:46):
Yeah, he's had a few that's been okay, but not great.
He's had a lot of pretty good ones that could.
I mean, you should hear him going to go on
about it. Of course you kind of did there for
a second. But anyway, getting back to the story about
mister Sandberg, see the thing here, not only has it

(01:41:08):
been defrauding all these people that wanted to try to
help save the planet. Hey, if I give you so
much money, you're gonna go plan a tree.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
Yay.

Speaker 5 (01:41:19):
He was also a key player in California politics. He
was a major donor to Gavin Newsom personally spent eleven
million dollars backing a ballot initiative to raise the state's
minimum wage to eighteen dollars an hour. Voters blocked the

(01:41:44):
initiative by one percentage point back in twenty twenty four.
A twenty nineteen Atlantic story headlined Joe Sunberg Garre's Trump
to call him a socialist. I don't understand why that's
much of a dare Joe is a socialist. He's just

(01:42:07):
a greedy one, which most of the people who are
at the top of the socialist regime tend to be. Yeah,
great headline, Atlantic anyway. In that particular story, they said
that the multi millionaire investor says the Democrats progressive agenda

(01:42:27):
is best for jobs and economic growth, which is, of
course what we expect them to say, because number one,
they're all pathological liars, and number two, this guy was
a scam artist. Of course, it's the progressive agenda that's
best for jobs, his job of conning you. But anyway,

(01:42:54):
this so called anti poverty activist, he also admitted to
be nothing more than a self serving fraudster by seeking
to enrich himself by defrauding lenders and investors out of
hundreds of millions of dollars. This according to the acting

(01:43:15):
US Attorney of the Central District of California. One bill essay.
The bid Now Aspiration, name of the company, was set
up to have companies pay it for carbon credits, the
same scan that al Gore was trying to run as well.

(01:43:35):
Didn't really tend to work out very well for him,
with Aspiration promising to pay third parties to plant trees
in Africa that would offset the emissions for these carbon credits.
But the United States Postal Inspection Service said that Zendberg
quote built a business on a lie to boost the

(01:44:00):
companies value and line its own pockets. It seems to
be the use of a lot of words to say
the same thing I've already said. He's a con artist,
a flim flam, a cheat, a ne'er do well, and
several other by nests things that are older sayings than

(01:44:20):
I am. Anyway. The findings, the findings raised questions about
the broader world of carbon credits, questions that, well that
I'm not really questioned for a long time, because I've
been telling you for some time now that it was
never a good idea. It was never a plausible thing

(01:44:41):
that could actually work. It didn't make sense. Oh, this
is just the height of virtue signaling. I'm still gonna
go do all the crazy things I want to do
that's terrible for the environment. But then I'm gonna pace
somebody so they can go plant a tree and I
can feel better about the world. I can feel better

(01:45:03):
because I've signaled my tremendous virtue. I don't remember. I've
been telling you for some time now that if you
have to signal your virtue in you probably don't have
very much actual virtue. And you're probably right, Doug.

Speaker 10 (01:45:22):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:45:22):
There's only been a few times when there's been such
a time zone difference that we've been able to really
hook up with folks, and it's it's disappointing to miss out.
But you know, if if she had called, it would
have been a great conversation. Maybe we can wear something out.
Maybe I can do a pre record at some point
down the road where I'm the one up, super super

(01:45:43):
megalate all sleepy. So with shash what what is he
gonna just keep talking? It'll be okay. They're used to
hearing me babble and make strange noises. Maybe we can
do something. I will trite away work it out. But
there was a trim h if you don't know what

(01:46:03):
I'm talking about. Shas Khan was scheduled to be our
guest for this time slot and she was gonna be
calling in from London, and that is one heck of
a time difference right there. So we've had folks call
from Western Europe before, been a long time, and it

(01:46:24):
was it was kind of funny.

Speaker 12 (01:46:26):
The last guy did it was.

Speaker 5 (01:46:28):
An astronomer And what was really kind of greatest when
the conversation started, you could tell he was so sleepy,
but he wasn't going to back out. But the more
we got into the conversation and the more he started
enjoying the conversation, suddenly he was energizing away and he
probably didn't get any sleep after that. I mean, it
was better than coffee. But anyway, we'll we'll try to

(01:46:52):
work something out. It's just really hard to overcome that
kind of time zone difference, and and so we'll we'll
see what we can do in the meanwhile, I just
hope she didn't wasn't told the wrong time. Sometimes it's
really easy to get confused about when you're dealing with
a time that's not in the zone you're in. Anyway,

(01:47:14):
back to the news story that I'm doogging about, what
we're talking, what we're really looking at. Here is a
company that promised to make these these big changes on
the world stage, right, not just the virtue signaling that
I keep criticizing, but they promised and you can believe

(01:47:35):
him because you know, he was such an honest and
true voice for all of the people concerned about the environment.
And the fact that somebody is willing to write in
the news article GMT works great, Anay. The idea is

(01:48:03):
that it's yeah, it's just it's sad that so many
people fell for this carbon credit thing. And the saddest part,
I guess is that there are still people kind of
following for it, because even when it works the way

(01:48:23):
somebody promises you to, it doesn't really truly negate or
offset what it is the average person does in a
normal day. I mean, if you're somebody that is mindful
and purposely not engaging in You're involved in a super tiny,

(01:48:46):
minuscule carbon footprint that takes a lot of discipline. Most
people don't have kudos to you if you're that dedicated
to it. The worst part, though, and based on conversations
we've had with mister Wrightstone from the CO two Alliance,
Gregory will tell you that COE two is a good
thing and this idea of the carbon footprint being so small,

(01:49:09):
that's what hurts the environments and it hurts the whole
quality of life for everybody. But this idea that somehow
this raises questions about the world of carbon credit, what's
the question? Somebody, please tell me what it doesn't work.

(01:49:30):
I can't offer you a percentage. I would love to
be able to. I would love to tell you, off
the top of my head some ridiculous number percentage of
carbon credit companies that are complete, total, utter fraud. We
know that some of them are, But even the ones

(01:49:51):
that are legitimately trying to offer you plenty of trees
for whatever you're doing, it doesn't really work the way
they say it does, even the true believers. And that's
the worst part. Some of these folks are true believers,
and they think it will. But the idea here is

(01:50:12):
that whether you amount to one big company paying another
big company money in exchange for fantasy indulgences that are
based more on partisan marketing than any real world impact,
it's irrelevant. The point is they just don't work. Sandberg,

(01:50:33):
he also faces civil Securities and Exchange Commission charges, said
that he propped up fake customers to bolster his appearance.
Now that is kind of a big deal when it
comes to the Securities and Exchange Commission. You created customers
out of ten air. You literally just made a list

(01:50:55):
of people, randomly picked names out of a phone book,
used AI to generate a bunch of names. Whatever it was,
It just still comes back around to one simple thing.
The guy was a con artist. I know, I keep
saying that, But what else can you take from that? Oh, well,

(01:51:18):
he's obviously a criminal, But then most con artists are,
aren't they. I mean the otherwise, if you're just counting
people in a way that doesn't commit any crimes, then
you're not a con artist. You're just a prankster. In
this effort. Basically, what he did is in order to

(01:51:41):
make it appear as if Aspiration's business was growing in
a really fast banner. He recruited friends, associated small businesses,
and religious organizations to present them to Aspiration as bona
fide customers who were fully committed to paying large sums

(01:52:02):
of money for the tree planning service. Right so, the
SEC says in their document that this obviously was false.
In reality, they were not paying. They were not going
to pay, and Sandberg himself he funded initial payments, purporting

(01:52:22):
them to be from the customers in order to make
everything look real. Through his frauds, Sandberg raised more than
three hundred million dollars from investors who falsely believed that
Aspiration had a thriving environmentally sustainable service business. Sandberg owned

(01:52:45):
thirty percent of the company and took one hundred million
dollars in loans backed by his shares. You see where
we're going with this. He was defrauding a lot of people.
He was cheating these people over here in order to
go cheat the banks. Semberg founded the company with a

(01:53:13):
co founder Andrea Charney, who worked for Bill Clinton and
wait for it, Al Gore. Wonder where Al Gore got
the idea for his carbon offset business. Anyway, you ran
the Arizona Democratic Party and ran for Congress back in

(01:53:36):
twenty twenty four, very long time ago, almost a year.
The SEC complaint said that Sandberg text this Charnee individual
back in twenty twenty saying, quote, if you don't get
me the money tomorrow, where I'll ft get me the money?

(01:53:59):
Your turn to figure out, like I had to for
so long, wire it to the blah blah blah blah
Sandberg account. If you don't, then Thelender will foreclose. This
will give you a good taste of what I have

(01:54:21):
to experience every day. I hate you, and I hate
this company, and I don't want to work anymore with you.
You are so obviously. I'm sorry, you're so so obviously
to what you forced me to have to do.

Speaker 12 (01:54:43):
I hate you.

Speaker 5 (01:54:44):
It's so hard to be a criminal. You're making me work.
If I wanted to work, I would have went and
got an honest job. If I wanted to work, I
probably wouldn't be a Democrat if I wanted you work. Oh,
it's so hard to keep by my con job up.
The banks are coming after me now, the federal government.

(01:55:06):
Oh no, Donald Trump's Law and Order administration. He might
actually go to jail. Oh, my goodness, forty years and
probably won't spend that time there. But that's a lot.
Doug is still in there. It's like, why are you

(01:55:26):
still going on? Yes, Tim, that's a lot, but you've
said that already, move on. I just I still can't
wrap my mind around only in the state of California
could somebody get away with a con this big for
this long. I mean, maybe in New York, but I'm
still thinking even in New York, eventually they're gonna say,
I don't think you're doing what you're saying you're doing.

(01:55:50):
In twenty twenty one, Aspiration attempted to go public. He
was going to try to take this company. He literally
almost got busted because they didn't have the funds in
place because they hadn't scammed enough people. And they still
tried to take this company public, and it was all
an effort to try and exaggerate the valuation of the

(01:56:11):
company so that they could get that much more money
and then he was going to cash out. You're you're
right about that day. I see that you are right,
but I still think it's probably worse for California. But
you are correct. I do not disagree. If we're going
to go to go public. They gave a prospectus to

(01:56:35):
investors with projections that were based on made up stuff, lies, fraud.
The SEC has now looked at this and they're coming
for him too. The green washing firm touted that revenue
was up five and eighty four percent, due in part
to enterprise sustainability services. Wow, there's so much more to

(01:57:03):
this story. Something tells me we're not done talking about it.
But I'm gonna have to be done talking about it tonight.
Why because we made it to the end of the show.
And if I don't shut up now and say my
goodbyes here in the next few minutes, then Doug will
just shut me off. And I don't want to not
be able to say my goodbyes.

Speaker 7 (01:57:23):
Say good night.

Speaker 5 (01:57:24):
for being here. As always, I appreciate it. And remember,
don't take my word for anything you've heard me say.
Be prepared to put in some effort and most importantly,
to use your brain if you really want to tap
into the truth. Good Night, everybody with the DV.

Speaker 18 (01:57:44):
That's all folks, You're being gone.

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