Fifth-Grade Murder Mastermind, Failing MBA Programs, To Stop a Tyrant, & Weight Behind the Spear

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let's get into tonight's show, shall we. I've been looking
forward to this for a bit, had a chance to
spend some time, you know. I try to get prepared,
usually by watching first time guests make appearances in other places.
And I found myself riveted with watching Nihilis Rebilius, regardless

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of what show he was on. Always interesting, always entertaining.
But what really sets apart here is an opportunity to
talk to him about a case that's flying under the radar.
There's been some coverage and then it seems to have
gone quiet so first and foremost, let's welcome on to
the show Los Angeles based detective Ladies and Gentlemen, also author,

(08:13):
by the way, but Ladies and Gentlemen, Nel Gervillius, Nel,
thank you so much for coming on with us tonight.
Before we get into anything at all, how are you
doing tonight?

Speaker 1 (08:24):
I think I'm having a lovely day. How are you, sir?

Speaker 3 (08:28):
I'm doing very well? Thank you, partially because I've got
the opportunity to talk to some great guests tonight. All right, So,
for the folks who haven't been paying attention, there was
this murder plot planned by these fifth graders, and they
had went through the motions they were planning on stabbing

(08:50):
this kid, and they were trying to make it look
like a suicide. They'd come up with notes and quite
the elaborate murder plow I think for some adults. That
alone for fifth graders, But the real question here is
what's led to it. And you have a very interesting

(09:10):
take on this situation. So when we look at this
Arizona story that really is kind of a nationwide problem,
I'd love to get what your take was on this.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Well, okay, think about what was going on five years ago,
we had the COVID situation, with lots of suburban families
under ruthless lockdown, with parents probably overindulging in streaming content

(09:45):
from outlets like Hulu and Netflix, probably while they are five,
six and seven year olds watch all of some of it.
My belief it is that these children weren't just exposed
to this, but they were also exposed to their parents

(10:07):
enjoying it. I think the most harmful part of viewing
casual violence depicted as romantic or cute, like somebody might
find in Tiger King or Ozark or something like that,

(10:27):
isn't just what it is that the children see on
the screen. It's the reaction of their parents to it.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, that certainly makes sense. I mean, at that age,
parents are modeling the behavior that the kids are watching,
even when you don't think they are. They're still young
enough at that point that they want to be like
their parents, or at least want to be something that
they feel like will get that stamp of approval that

(10:59):
will preston that will make them look special. So that
certainly seems reasonable.

Speaker 11 (11:06):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Now, it's not as if things like this haven't occurred
in the past. There's always the famous case of Leopold
and Loeb, the two very privileged young men who stabbed
a young boy to death just to see it happen.
And that happened a hundred years ago, but it was
so extraordinary at the time that it was the talk

(11:31):
of the town.

Speaker 8 (11:32):
As it were.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Children model on their parents, and they formed their own
relationships based on what they see, and if they think
of something as being exciting or cool, they're going to
gravitate toward it, whether it's drug use, abusing each other,

(11:57):
anything like that that you could think of.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Now, I mean, we see it all the time. There's
no question that happens. Children are impressionable, and you know,
we've spent a lot of time in conservative circles talking
about everything that was lost as far as education was
concerned during the lockdowns. If you were only attending classes online,

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if your parents weren't allowed to watch it, lots of
reasons to be suspicious in various locations, not a lot
of actual education going on as far as we could tell.
And in even more cases, it doesn't seem like they've
been in any hurry to try and repair that damage
of the lost time. So while they were of course

(12:44):
engaging in this activity where they were consuming a lot
of psychologically harmful media. I think we're in agreement that
that's certainly a reasonable depiction of what they were watching.
As you pointed out, then we have also a situation
where getting to that assertion, just determining that that may

(13:09):
be the cause, you're going to have a lot of
folks in positions of authority that are going to deny it,
going to want to look the other way. That's going
to make it really hard to try and fix it.
And we basically, if you're correct with this assertion, and
I'm not questioning you on it, we've got a lot
of ticking time bombs out there that we just haven't
seen yet.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, we have seen a lot of this though. I'm
going to point something out. What was going on ten
years ago. We remember all the young people on YouTube
choking on tide pods and posting the results on the internet.
All of those thirteen and fourteen year olds choking on
tide pods. What percentage of them now have purple hair

(13:53):
and are mutilating their genitals?

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Well, yeah, yeah, you make an excellent point. I mean,
this doesn't necessarily take a world class detective. If you
just look at it, but finding the fresh pair of
eyes I think sometimes get there. But you know, we're
still just basically stating that children are impressionable, and children
can be dumb while they think they're being clever. So

(14:25):
whether we're looking at tid pods, whether we're looking at
school shootings, whether we're looking at a plan to murder
a classmate involving picking a look out and getting your
gloves ready and all this other stuff, it still kind
of points to something a bit deeper, something missing. I think,

(14:45):
not just from an educational standpoint, but from a parental
engagement standpoint. I would hint something from a spiritual standpoint.
You during the course of your career, you've had, shall
we say, chance to encounter bad people.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yes, And I kind of get at what you're driving at.
And this is a favorite thing of mind to discuss, actually,
tim and it is psychopathy and how people don't necessarily
need a bad home environment in order to become psychopaths.
You don't have to grow up in a bad neighborhood.

(15:28):
If you have a smart telephone reinforcing every bad thing
that you do, do you no waiting until artificial intelligence
takes over. And each of these disaffected, disconnected youths has

(15:49):
a bot in their telephone that ratifies every bad thing
that they do.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
I mean, we've already got an algor rhythms on TikTok,
which you've already alluded to. But yeahs, Artificial intelligence continues
to take a larger position in our daily lives, and
the younger the folks are, the more wired they seem

(16:16):
to be. It does seem like we're on a collision
course with a lot more of this kind of behavior.
Is there something we should be doing now? Is there
something that you, based on your experience, could recommend other
than just cutting screen time and being more interactive? Is
there an obvious thing that we're just too close to

(16:39):
the situation to see.

Speaker 9 (16:42):
Well.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Parents have to get a little bit more involved at
every level. I mean, you can't be passive if your
school board is concealing things from your Kenya. You have
to know grade every teacher that your child is interacting with,
what it is that they're learning, look at their textbooks,

(17:04):
that sort of thing. Ask questions, And when a school administrator,
school board, a teacher doesn't want to answer questions. I
think that's a real problem. I think that school choice
is something that the Marxists within the teachers' unions hate
in the same way that Dracula hates the crucifix. If

(17:28):
parents can opt out of that, they lose power, and
it's power that they truly they don't care about education.
They don't care about whether or not your children, your
child can learn to read it right. Obviously, that's why
your teachers' union took a three year vacation in place,
with you supporting them during the vacation.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, I mean, it's been made clear they believe in
indoctrination as opposed to education. They've embraced the surgical mutilations
and chemical castrations without parental consent. They've literally gone from
when I was still young enough to attend school, begging

(18:14):
for parental interaction within the classroom and engagement at that level,
to literally making parents sign a waiver agree not to
watch what they're doing or be involved with actual classroom activities.
So they definitely have a different agenda. It's often made

(18:35):
me wonder if they're not, in fact, trying to turn
education educational institutions, I should say, into factories for little psychopaths.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
I think you're correct. You'll notice that the curriculum now
often includes pornography or semi pornography, and pornography isn't just
dirty pictures and inappropriately stimulating material. Once you add a
searchable feature to it, it becomes software. Yep, it's one

(19:13):
of the four horsemen. Here's another one. High grade cannabis,
high concentrate cannabis. And they've tried to make that something
that's normal. You're supposed to like it. Everybody does it,
don't you do it? And I'm seeing more and more
cannabis psychosis, people lapsing into paranoid schizophrenia from using high

(19:34):
concentrate cannabis and synthetic andabinoids. And they're giving it to
younger and younger people. They marketed to young people. You
remember when they went after Joe Cammell. You're not supposed
to have the Marlborough Man in the classroom, but cannabis
gummy bears, why not?

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah? Yeah. And I think the one thing that so
many people kind of get lured into, a lured into
a sense of complacency is a lot of the people
old enough to be parents who did partake as teenagers.
Then they're accustomed to something that was raised locally that
wasn't really interfered with, It wasn't refined, it wasn't strengthened.

(20:20):
What is put on the market now is nothing even
remotely similar to what cannabis was then. And I was
never somebody that was smoking, so you know, I was
one of the square guys. But even then, I don't
think we recognize the difference. Everything that derives a health benefit,

(20:44):
like some of the oils that we see in the
CBD that some folks swear by, there's a lot less
of that present in what these kids are smoking now,
and a lot of those negative things and the more
addictive aspects are present. And you're right, we are seeing
these psychosis were seen steady after steady come out where

(21:04):
marijuana is not the safe gateway that it used to be.
And unfortunately it was never safe because it was a gateway.
But you're right, we see this and lots of times
again we tend to just be ignoring it as opposed
to addressing the issue, because oh no, that's just that
you're being silly, you're going down a conspiracy rabbit hole.

(21:27):
But again, the truth is staring us in the face
and we're looking right past it.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
I agree with you, Tim, somewhere between like nineteen eighty
nine and nineteen ninety nine, and our government launched a
PSIO aimed at every tobacco user in this country, and
they successfully reduced tobacco use among adults from about forty
seven percent of the population to eleven percent of the population.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
That didn't not.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Why couldn't our government launch a sy up against cannabis use.
You're never going to stump it out, but it should
be relegated to people who can handle it and people
willing to risk everything they have for it. I don't
want it sold on every street corner.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, yeah, it is. Let me circle back around real
quick in regards to this story about the eleven year
old Arizona boy, I'm just kind of curious given your training,
your years of experience, everything from your time in military

(22:41):
intelligence all the way to being a Pinkerton man, and
just full disclosure, I think you're the first person I've
spoken to that actually worked for the Pinkertons, and that's
been one of my bucket list checklists for a long time.
Tremendous detective reputation with that organization. But given your training

(23:04):
and your experience there, was it obvious to you right
off the bat when you first came across this story
that this was related to the COVID shutdown and this
isolation that was forced on them then or did it
take you a minute thinking about it and kind of
piecing things together.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Well, I was always suspicious of what would befall our
population during the COVID situation. There were forces at work
making people deeply insecure, wherein we're fighting each other, and
we're fighting each other over silly things. Is this man
wearing a mask in the market or not? Is he

(23:47):
standing six fift from me? Or is he standing seven
feet from me? Oh, I'm terrified. So everybody is acting
insecure because they've been made to be insecure. And then
I'm analyzing what people are doing because it's not enough
to listen to what people are saying. Sometimes you can

(24:09):
learn more from looking at an envelope than from anything
written on a letter inside, can't you. Yeah, So we
call that context or pattern analysis, And the pattern analysis
of it is what age would somebody normally start engaging

(24:29):
in this sort of behavior if they were a psychopath
in their twenties or thirties, But it came to these
children young, so they had to have been exposed to
it somewhere. Were they exposed to at school? Probably not?
But what were they doing when they were very young
five years ago? They were watching their parents watch streaming content.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, definitely. I think that what happens is when you
spend it much time piecing together what's required to surveil
to investigate, you can end up wiring your brain differently
than the average rate. And unfortunately, and as I'm afraid

(25:17):
that we're at a point now or even the practice
of just a little bit of critical thinking has become
so removed from the average person's toolbox. Uh, and it's
only continuing to get worse.

Speaker 8 (25:31):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
I feel like there's so much more we could talk about,
but we're already kind of running out of time. So UH,
I want to give you an opportunity to to let
everybody know where they can find the book, and of
course let them know a little bit about the gravilious
detective services, what what they can look forward to if

(25:52):
they wanted to, uh to work with you.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
I don't I don't take on cheating husbands, and I
don't take claims. My work is cold case homicides, kidnapping, recovery,
conflicts of interest people making unsub threats, things like that
missing persons endangered, missing person's, economic abuse, extortion, things you know,

(26:17):
reactive crime. Gravelius PI is my website. My book, The
Last Lawman will be published in June of twenty twenty
six by Postthill Press. And Tim, I'd really like to
be on your show a few times between now and
next Father's Day. I think we could have some very
interesting discussions, don't you.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
I do. In fact, I think we need to schedule
at least a couple of those over on the Rumble
Channel so we can have an extended conversation rather than
being so rigidly caught up on the scheduling for the
radio station and the digital platforms were on. But yes,
that's a I would love to square off some extended

(27:03):
conversation time within the future. We will definitely do that, sir.
Thank you for even offering and suggesting it. In the meanwhile,
I definitely want to thank you for coming on. I
appreciate the conversation, and I think voices like yours are
important because it does harken back to seeing common sense

(27:26):
and then taking that next step to move about it.
Right now, it seems almost herculean to get folks to
engage in common sense. But in the meanwhile, I want
to again thank you for coming on. I want to
wish you much success with the upcoming book, and I
want to thank you again like I've already said, but
most importantly for doing what you've done for so long.

(27:49):
You've provided great services to a lot of people, and
I appreciate anybody that dedicates their life to helping others
like you have. In the meanwhile, god speed to you,
and I look forward to getting together with you some
point down the road.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Jeus, you have a lovely weekend you as well.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
All Right, ladies and gentlemen. That was mister Nils Gravillius.
And if you're listening to the podcast after the fact
that we'll have links in the show description. But in
the meanwhile, definitely be on the lookout for the book.
The Last slaw Man coming up next year should be
fabulous and we will definitely be having Nills on. Yeah,

(28:29):
I'm thinking probably multiple times between now and next Father State.
And meanwhile, I'm gonna go ahead and give the little
head nod over to Doug, who's already waiting to push
the button. We're gonna take the mid hour break and
then when we come back, we will continue with our
next guest. So do not go anywhere. We will be

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But being a content creator, being a broadcaster means that
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I do also kind of feel like I need to
know for sure that the companies I'm doing business with

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aren't going to take the money I give them and
then use that money to actively undermine the values that
I attempt to promote. That's why I really like the
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they do that too. If you're tired of doing business
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Oh we are okay. Good deal. With that being said,
it is indeed time to bring up our next guest.

(38:01):
For those of you who are not familiar, well then
shame on you. We're bringing on another first time guest.
Tony Holland is here with us. He is a managing
partner at Integrity and he is the CEO of Global
Premier Benefits. He has managed to build himself a nice

(38:23):
life by trying to make sure that other people have
everything they need when they face some of the hardest
times that they face. And the most important thing here
is that he understands business and that's kind of what
we're having a conversation about today. So ladies and gentlemen,
please join me in welcoming Tony Holland to the show. Tony,
thank you so much for coming on with us tonight.

(38:44):
And before we get started, how are you.

Speaker 16 (38:47):
I'm doing well, Thank you so much, sir, and honored
and blessed to be on your show.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
All right, Well, it's an honor to have you, I'll
tell you that much. All right, let's just jump on
the topic out the gate, shall we. A lot of
universities now just don't seem to be providing the bang
for the buck, no matter what you're looking at. But
NBA programs in particular, make a lot of promises and

(39:14):
they really seem to not be delivering on hardly any
of them. And it's not just a particular one or two,
but when you spend the kind of money that's involved
with earning these degrees, especially at an elite program where
you're expecting to come down with six figure careers. It
can be pretty disappointing when you're not even finding work,

(39:36):
especially for an expended period of time. But that wasn't
something that Kim's as a surprise to you, is it.

Speaker 11 (39:45):
Yes, sir, I've noticed, especially over the last several years,
these NBA programs, especially at the Ivy League level, are
teaching a lot of theory.

Speaker 16 (39:59):
Well, business world. Now, we did demand results, and I'd
rather hire someone who's you know, going through the world
of hard knocks, been knocked down a few times, gotten
back up, has real world experience before I hire someone
that's just say, as we say, a credential collector.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, I think we do live in a world where
credentials have become overvalued. There certainly was a time where
earning said credentials did indicate a very solid and a
very meaningful accomplishment. But it does seem, like you said,
there's a lot of theory going on now and there's

(40:43):
not a whole lot of practice in character, especially in business,
especially if you're building something, if you're an early on
board member, when you're trying to get there, the ability
to get knocked down, Like you said, you can't gauge
that based on the degree alone. I mean you used
to kind of be able to determine Okay, well you've

(41:04):
proven you can finish something. But in this modern age,
finishing something might involve an awful lot of help from
Google Search, whereas before you had to put in the time. So, yes,
how overvalued, in your opinion, has the credentialing process.

Speaker 16 (41:25):
It's way overvalued. And that's why you're seeing now a
lot of the top companies, like my organization, we're seeing
a challenge with that group that that NBA classes. Many
of them are having a difficult time finding jobs across
the US right now. A matter of fact, twenty three
percent of Harvard graduates from last spring are still looking

(41:46):
for jobs. And I understand why that is. Kim many
him lack those inner personal relationship skills that when you
and I grew up, you know, we didn't have a
smart on in a computer at our access. You know,
the close thing we had back in the day was
Atari if you remember, or Commodore sixty four. You know,

(42:09):
it's amazing that and I think a lot has to
do with what happened with COVID. These these young professionals,
like they're very smart, very intelligent, but they lack those
interpersonal skills, and they lack sales skills and marketing skills
that they're just not getting what real world experience.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
And again there's no substitute for that either. I do
think that a lot of the people that are coming in,
like you said, extremely intelligent. I wouldn't even attempt to
challenge several of them when it comes down to knowing
what they know. But just something as simple as having
a conversation with someone they don't know can be so

(42:54):
overwhelming if it has to be face to face and said,
we were from a different time. And sometimes that can
be a huge obstacle too, because a lot of times
us older folks, we just want to kind of kind of,
you know, be dismissive and say, oh, blah blah, this

(43:17):
blah blah that, when in truth, what we should be
trying to do, at least I think, is find ways
to coach them in and get them those experiences so
they can be better relatable and fully take advantage of
those skills. But that's something you're just not getting in
college anymore. You have to, almost depending on which school

(43:38):
you go to, have to sign a letter promising not
to get too involved or personal in the conversation before
you can go on a date.

Speaker 16 (43:49):
That's if you even agree. If we went through that
period of time. And I even have my liberal friends,
I'm very conservative of Christian myself, even my very liberal
wolfriend are getting part of the he she they then
you know, if they're a furry, reptile or human or not.
It's like, you know, the whole world for a while
was just like was a mess in the corporate world.

(44:12):
So I think we've got what's a fortunate you know,
with this new administration, a lot of that craziness has
been right in the best direction. And I've also want
to add this to Tim. What we've seen a lot
is some of these major corporations shine away from some
of the big elite Ivy League schools because of all
the social challenges that are going on at those campus

(44:36):
with the cotests, the kind of the anti Israel sentiment,
which doesn't bode well with many of leaders in my position,
we don't need that kind of challenge coming to our organizations.
Want people that love all people, get along with all
people that are there for the purpose to help that
company fix the challenges that we're there to solve ultimately

(45:00):
make a profit, because it's the purpose of the business,
solve problems and then ultimately then make a profit.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Right Yeah, I think you even see it with the
businesses like Disney. Here we have one of the juggernauts
of entertainment, and then they end up with creatives who
are capable, but they're so busy, kind of wrapped up
and trying to use the platform that they're legitimately trying
to hold the business hostage. And we don't seem to

(45:31):
exist in a time where CEO feels comfortable saying, well,
if you don't want to do the job that we've
got for you, good luck finding something else. I'll writ
you a letter of recommendation. Inso much as what you
did do, nobody's willing to pull the trigger. And part
of that, I think, of course, goes back to the

(45:52):
level of education they've had. A lot of these kids
have been taught they have more power than what they
actually should expect to have in the employer employee dynamic.

Speaker 16 (46:07):
Absolutely I agree with one hundred percent. And you know
a perfect example I'll give you is that my son Jeremy,
who's an upcoming senior at Kelley School of business in Indiana,
and he understood business concepts at a very young age.
Matter of fact, had his first business at fifteen years old,
under stood sales and marketing, started his own sneaker brand,
and actually had a deal with the NFL before he

(46:29):
graduated high school. So when he went off to college
and he started internship, he just recently found out he
beat out hard Yale at MIT grads without having an NBA.
They all had nbas, and he beat him, got two
major offers from two big Wall Street firms. And I said, Jeremy,
what was the difference. He says, those, like we said earlier,

(46:50):
those other young professionals are very very smart, he said,
but Dad, what they lacked was that grit, that passion,
that determination, and those interpersonal relationship skills that he developed
back when he was in high school. So he already
had a leg up on them. And that's why he
was sought after by a lot of firms, and he

(47:13):
got his dream job without an NBA. And I was
very impressed with him, obviously being my son. But I
think that's something is so important for your listeners. It's
more than just having a degree, and I and and
and people that need to look also past you know,
you know the professors and the teachers, because think about this,

(47:33):
tim most of these professors are making three, four or
five hundred thousand dollars year, depending on the university. Most
of them have never run a business. How does that
make SI, You're going to teach these young professionals how
to run a business, yet you've been a professor your
entire life. To me, real world experience is the most
important asset, and the only way you're going to be

(47:55):
able to do that is doing workshops, internships. You know,
taking maybe a job, maybe not your dream job, but
taking a job and working your way up into the system.
I have many people in my company that are earning
high six close to seven figure income that don't even
have a college degree. They work their way up and
provide a real value in terms of what they're there

(48:17):
to do, again to solve the company's challenges and ultimately
to make a profit.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, I think that there's no question that experience, getting
that hands on experience tends to teach you things beyond
just a job too, and beyond just the expectations of
being an employee. It will lead you down a path
that oftentimes you don't expect. And it's what you learn

(48:42):
and what you glean from those brief moments that you
have real opportunity to learn and grow that will set
you apart as to how successful you'll be. What I
really want to ask you about, too, beyond how the
program themselves are failing, is and it's still an extension

(49:05):
of it. Lots of us now are struggling to catch
up with exactly how much AI can do, how much
more efficient, how many positions. Especially it's certain NBA level
professions that are on the verge of going away, so

(49:25):
that window is shutting even more quickly. Now. Again, the
folks that have the grit, that have the personality that
are going to be able to go out and hustle
as they were learned from that hands on they're probably
going to find a way to survive, especially if they're flexible.
But a lot of these kids aren't prepared to go
compete with each other. They're certainly not ready to go

(49:47):
compete with an ever increasing and ever capable AI world great.

Speaker 16 (49:54):
And great one hundred percent, and you're seeing that decline
partially due to companies investing and AI. I mean I
own three AI companies. I don't know if that was
in the information that we shared with you with my
media team. And it's amazing what our systems can do.
They can read three to four hundred pages in less
than a half a second, and that's creating a challenge.

(50:16):
And what I recommend any students. I've talked to a
lot of students from all across the country. They asked me,
you know, Coach Tony, a lot of them calling me
Coach Tony, what you recommend that I do. So, first
of all, as you said, Tim, you have to be competitive.
And if you want to be truly competitive, master sales skills,
master marketing skills, master networking skills, and definitely master AI.

(50:38):
If you can come to the table with any firm
out there you have AI. I mean, we're offering jobs
in one of my companies that I have over five
hundred thousand dollars a year starting for AI engineers. That's
that's that's something that these these these MBA graduates and
other professionals need to understand. The AI world is here, okay,

(51:01):
and it's just getting started. And I believe the AI
in terms of the industry, artificial intelligence is going to
make the dot com boom and the Internet boom look
like nothing. That's how huge this is going to be.
If they want to be competitive in this world, they
have to master AI along with sales, marketing and networking skills.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Absolutely well, Tony, I want to thank you again for
coming on tonight. I appreciate you giving up some of
your very valuable time to come talk to the audience. Yes, sir,
before we say any final goodbyes, want to definitely give
you an opportunity to feel free to share with everybody
any websites you would like to throw out there, tell
them a little bit about the things you've got going

(51:45):
on and how you might be able to help them.
And if you're inviting people to follow you on social media,
feel free to share any of the handles and platforms
and any final thoughts for the evening after that.

Speaker 16 (52:00):
Yeah, yes, First of all, thank you again, Tim for
allowing me to speak to your audience. And one quick
tip before I go into what you asked me to share.
Number one, you got to keep God first in your life,
into your business and to your family and to your community.
I tell business professionals and I'm doing a big workshop
next Wednesday, August thirteen, regarding how to scale to an

(52:22):
eight nine figure business. I'm speaking to an entrepreneur group.
If you just keep God first, everything will take care
of the rest. So I want to leave you with that.
If they want to reach out to me further, they
can go to my website, Global Premiere Benefits dot com,
or they can reach me through a DM on Instagram.
It's the thch Tony Holland at Instagram, and I also

(52:45):
a Botta. I don't mind taking personal phote calls tim
People are shocked that I actually share my personal cell
phone number. Love receiving Texas. Texting me is better than calling.
But if you want to call me, text me, please
do it. Four four three two five three three six
three four And again, I'm gonna thank you Ken for
having me. It's been an honor and a blessing to

(53:06):
be on your show.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
All right, Well, hopefully we can get together and continue
the conversation a little bit down the road, because it
feels like with these short segments you barely really even
get to scratch the surface, and first time guests, we're
trying to fit so much stuff in. So hopefully we
can get you back on sometime and really focus on
a particular aspect, but in the meanwhile continues to success.

(53:29):
To you, sir, godspeed to you, and thank you for
all you do.

Speaker 16 (53:34):
Yes, sir, God bless thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (53:36):
Have a good eating.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Oh all right, ladies and gentlemen, that was mister Tony Holland.
And again, if you're listening to the podcast after the
live broadcast, we'll put a link in the show description.
We'll make sure that everything that we're talked about is available.
And yeah, that's pretty wild sharing the phone number live

(53:57):
on air. Don't get a lot of that. That is bold.
I think that's part of why he is successful. In
the meanwhile, before we reset for the hour, I wanted
to take a little moment to talking about somebody else
that's both. Doug is really trying to get me to
talk about Jerky Snob. But the only thing I can

(54:18):
say about Jerky Snob is they're not a sponsor anymore
the Great Program, and Doug is really loving the Jerky
So if you want to check them out, you're more
than welcome to do so. Sweet citrus is the flavor
that Doug is eating right now, and he's absolutely loving it.

(54:40):
He would be giving both thumbs up in fact, he
just did. He switched tens so he could. I was
about to say if he wasn't having to use one
hand to hold it up, but he literally switched tens
so we could give us both thumbs up. Now we
may be in the process of getting another jerky company here,
laying some groundwork. We'll see what happens one way Jerky.

(55:04):
Uh they're a premium brand will as of right now,
nothing official, but yeah, I'll figure it. I'd take this
opportunity to do it. But in the meanwhile, if you're
somebody who did sign up with.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
The change this is this is this a.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Scription you know? Well, I was about to say, Doug,
if you're a listener out there and you signed up previously,
by all means, if you're enjoying it, stay with it.
I will have no ill feelings. And I still loved
the model of Jerky snob That's why I had so
much fun when I was doing the ads with that

(55:44):
little snobbery. You know, the opportunity to be exposed to
a lot of different flavors and a lot of different brands,
these artists and folks that you probably wouldn't come across otherwise. Yeah,
but the one downside is you really never quite knew
exactly what you were going to get. It was an adventure,
but sometimes, as Doug bound out with Superspicy on that

(56:07):
first round, sometimes it's the adventure you don't come back from.
It's a I still like the company. I have no
ill will. I just hate that we weren't able to
continue In the meanwhile, though, I was gonna talk about
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Speaker 5 (58:17):
Just give it.

Speaker 17 (58:32):
What the folk we're listening to Tap into the Truth,
Stay tuned, Tim, We'll be right back after these important messages.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Give it. This is Tim Tap, host of Tapping to
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(01:03:26):
have another first time guest coming on with us tonight.
He is an award winning author who has spent a
lot of time focused on the idea that power is
a balance and that the citizenry has more power and

(01:03:47):
more authority than they realize, even in nations that don't
have the individual protections that ours is supposed to have.
He's managed to move these ideas forward in nonpartisan ways,
and he's made every effort to try to make sure
that his message is a unifying one, not a divisive one.

(01:04:09):
Ladies and gentlemen, I want to welcome to the show
for the first time. Thank you so much for being here,
mister Ira chalos Iira, thank you so much for coming
on with us tonight. And before we get started, how
are you doing today.

Speaker 8 (01:04:22):
Tim, good evening. I am so pleased to be with you.
Thank you for that excellent introduction. It's right on the money,
and I'm very well, Thank you sir.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
All right, well, glad to hear that, and glad to
have you on board with us tonight. I think as
divided and as heated as our politics have gotten, and
as much as we have seen political divide seep into
so many people's daily lives, even with things that should

(01:04:53):
not be political, a message like what you're bringing is
exactly the right thing everyone needs to hear, because that's
the kind of message that does help to kind of
heal that divide as long as somebody's willing to listen.
So I guess my first question to you, Ira is
what kind of responses do you get jical that they

(01:05:18):
don't want to hear it. Are they slow to warm
up but then really join in or do they just
ignore the message? Because again, I know there's always those
contrarians in the audience, but how much do you feel
like you're accomplishing the gold, especially if you're in a
mixed audience. Are you able to bring people together? I

(01:05:39):
guess that's my question.

Speaker 8 (01:05:42):
Yeah, Tim, I've been I was in the Washington DC
arena for about twenty five thirty years, but I had
a unique niche in it where I work as much
with Republicans as with Democrats, and I saw the best
of both and the worst of both. So I've been

(01:06:04):
an independent my whole life. And when my friends on
the left excoriate folks on the right, I have to
stand up to them. When my friends on the right
excoriate folks of the left, I have to do a
little bit of educating there as well. And it's not
an easy road to hold. It's always easier to be

(01:06:27):
on one side or the other, but nevertheless, that's the
road I have chosen, and I have been called to
that road. My maternal grandmother lost her family in the Holocaust,
and when I was a child, I thought, well, how

(01:06:47):
does that happen? How do people follow a leader who
leave them down such a terrible path? And there were
no easy answers to that. But my life's work has
been to explore that and to help people get a
better sense what does it mean to follow a leader
and how do you follow them faithfully? But how do

(01:07:10):
you also speak truth to power when they need it?
Particularly if you love the leader, you know they need
you to be faithful to them by saying sir, this
is a bridge too far, or I love your message here,
but your message this way is taking us into devisive territory.

(01:07:31):
So I find that if I am authentic, if I'm
honest with it, people kind of enjoy that there's somebody
they can talk to who's not selling them something on
one side or the other. Now, my new book To
Stop a Tyrant has a little bit of a problem
in it because people on each side think I'm talking

(01:07:54):
about their side, you know, and I'm not. That's the thing.
What I'm talking about is what the Founders were looking at.
The Founders knew they studied Greece, they studied Rome. They
knew that democracy has certain characteristics that when it doesn't work,

(01:08:15):
it tends to invite in authoritarian leaders who then if
their followers allow, they can become tyrannical. And we've been
blessed for two hundred and fifty years not to fall
into this trap, and we need to be blessed for

(01:08:36):
the next two hundred and fifty years. But that's going
to require us really each understanding what these traps are
and how we can make a difference. And that's what
I'm hoping to do with my work.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Yeah, what you really do is you're tapping into this notion,
the idea that we are responsible for how we allow
our country to go, and thereby gently encouraging people to
become more engaged and to educate themselves a bit more

(01:09:14):
talking about some of those trapsured because again I've said
for a very long time, although I've said it a
lot less recently because some of the news stories have
kind of made it difficult to point out. But generally speaking,
especially here in the United States, we typically want the
same things, we just have a different idea about how

(01:09:34):
to get there. You take any intentional bad actors out
of the equation, folks that see the Constitution as an
obstacle towards their agenda, people that openly embrace anti American ideologies,
You kind of set them off to the side. Even
they generally still kind of want the same things, they

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just want to go about it in a way that
doesn't really fit with how we set up our system.
The goal from the very beginning was to protect us
from the tyranny that is so difficult to prevent from
occurring anytime you give any amount of power to a
government and then entrust someone to operate those levers of power.

(01:10:18):
So what's your first step, generally in trying to achieve
that first step of education? What is the first thing
you try to bring people to the table at without
any reference whatsoever the political ideology?

Speaker 8 (01:10:33):
Right? Well, I think first of all, we need to
become sophisticated about the media sphere in which we all live.
You know, the present company accepted of course, the you know,
the the media is all trying to keep our eyeballs

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or you know, get keep our subscriptions, and to do that,
they've learned that they need to be inflammatory. Well, unfortunately,
if everybody who is working to keep our eyeballs by
being inflammatory. We get the sense that the house is
on fire all the time. Well, the house isn't on

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fire all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
See.

Speaker 8 (01:11:18):
Yes, they're very grievous problems, and at the same time,
most of the people you know are raising their family,
they're going to church, they've got their their automobile, they've
got their civic clubs. In other words, life is not
actually falling apart every day in every way. And we

(01:11:41):
have to distance ourselves from those messages and recognize that somehow,
how do you take three hundred and forty million people
and keep us all together with a collective sense of identity.
It is tremendously hard, and it starts with each of
us being sophisticated enough that we can't be manipulated with

(01:12:06):
these messages that says the country is being destroyed right
under your nose. Yes, there are things that are very
serious that do need to be attention, but the country
is working more than it's not working, and we have
to start from that premise and then say, okay, now

(01:12:27):
let's isolate what isn't working and how can we get
together to do something about it. And that's very different
than saying the house is on fire. It's burning down
and this is the last chance to put out the fire.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Yeah, but you just can't win elections or get those
ratings these days without those statements. I think that's part
of why sometimes stuggle in the ratings. I don't like
the houses on fire bit. Now. I do get caught
up sometimes and the emotions too, especially if a particular
story hits me just the right way. So I'll be

(01:13:05):
the first to admit you do not have to accept
me from the discussion, although I do make at least
an effort to get cut up. But the real question,
I guess, comes back around to, as we look to
work together, how do you maintain that attitude because you're

(01:13:26):
going to keep running into a lot of folks that
really they are kind of creeping up. I mean, a
lot of what you're saying is really designed to try
and help put in check any type of destructive leader,
not necessarily of the political branch, But in this particular case,
that's kind of where you put the focus because obviously

(01:13:47):
this moment in time very much needed to be heard. Again,
I think I may have already pointed that out, but
I think it's worth repeating. How do you keep folks
on an even keel when they become exposed to this
constant the house is on firements because it's really hard
to keep that blocked out long enough to make any

(01:14:08):
substantial change.

Speaker 8 (01:14:11):
Well, you're right. The thread that runs through my work
is when you're not the leader, and therefore you're a follower.
And you know, in our country we say, oh, nobody's
supposed to be a follower. Well that doesn't make any
sense because nobody's following that nobody's leading, because we have

(01:14:33):
to have both. And it doesn't mean that we're a
follower personality wise, it's we're follower in that role. So
I'm a follower of this political figure. I'm a leader
in this particular club in my community. You know, we
we we move between leading and following. And when we

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when we follow, we need to have courage. And this
is the thread that goes through my work is courage,
and it's it's social courage. And what does that mean.
It means the courage to say whether that person is
in authority, or whether they're a peer, or whether they're

(01:15:17):
a dear family member who is just going off the
rails to say I respect you, I honor you, but
I don't actually see things the same way here. And
I know it's not popular around this table, in this household,
in this community to say it, but it needs to

(01:15:39):
be said because we each need to have a courage
that are Again, our country was built on the courage
of individuals to say no, the old way of doing
things was not the best way, and we can take
take the risk of doing it differently. But it all

(01:16:00):
starts with the individual, doesn't it. And so each of
us have to be come willing to put ourselves in
uncomfortable situations where when we hear somebody going on and
just trashing, you know, some aspects of of our of
our government, saying hold on a minute, I have to

(01:16:22):
agree with you that you know this isn't the best,
but let's look at what we can do about it
rather than just trash it and you know, and pull
it down. So in my books, I focus on what
does it mean as an individual and as a political

(01:16:43):
individual to have courage no matter where you are in
the system, whether you're sort of on the outside or
you're inside that you know, very close to the power
centers and you're maybe you're close to the power centers
in your community and you're uh in your town, et cetera.
Maybe you're on the outside of the power centers in

(01:17:04):
the nation, but you always have your voice. And if
you can use your voice with integrity, with authenticity, not
to rile up everyone else, like you know, those who
are seem to be getting the most attention, be a
moderating influence, have the courage to do that, you can

(01:17:28):
start to make a difference.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Unfortunately, bomb throwers and provocateurs very rarely end up credited
with building anything because all they've done is tear things down.
And you remind me of this, it's a bit of
a parable. We said a little differently down here in
Tennessee than I've heard it express down here. It's the

(01:17:52):
kid that comes across the fence, you know, out roaming around,
come across this fence out in the middle of nowhere,
have no idea why it's there. If you get the
right idea to tear down that fence without getting the
information as to why it was built in the first place,
you may be opening up yourself and who knows who else,
to a whole world of trouble. Because when you find

(01:18:14):
out why this fence was built, it may be too late.
And yeah, there are people that seem to be dedicated
to just tear things down and partially influences somebody else
didn't have that courage. So I mean your point is
very well taken. It is good to learn before you

(01:18:38):
engage in some high level crusade, because you don't want
to find out in the middle of your crusade that
you don't actually agree with what you've been trying to accomplish.
In air quotes, which is always great for radio, by
the way, as you would encourage people's individual response abilities,

(01:19:00):
we've already got cutting through the minutia of folks trying
to manipulate you and get to the truth of the matter,
being courageous enough to stand up and speak what you
come to know or at least believe to be the truth.

(01:19:20):
What other individual responsibilities would you say we all should
be shouldering to try to make sure that power does
in fact stay in check.

Speaker 8 (01:19:32):
Well, I like your I like the metaphor of the fence,
and we don't know why it's there, and we tear
it down at our own peril. What I have observed
is this, if we were living in a dictatorship, the
government would control all of the media as they do

(01:19:53):
in dictatorships, and we would be only getting one point
of view. So I say to people, we wouldn't want
that done to us. Why do we do it to ourselves?
Why do you only listen to the programs on the left,

(01:20:14):
or why do you only listen to the programs on
the right. You cannot actually make an informed decision if
you're only getting one of those perspectives. Now, again, that
takes some courage, because you know, may sit there if
you're if you're a person of the right and you're

(01:20:36):
listening to one of these programs on the left, you're
going to be screaming at the TV and the vice versa.
But nevertheless, you cannot understand what the others are thinking
and why they're thinking it unless you are willing to
put yourself in that situation where you will listen and
try to understand what it is you're hearing that's so

(01:21:00):
different from your usual diet. And then interestingly enough, tim
what happens is that inside of you the political process
starts to take place. Because what's a political process? You know,
if you're in if you're in Congress, for example, you
get people on the left, you get people on the
right to get people from the south, you get people

(01:21:21):
from the north, and they all are bringing different information
and different interests, and they're trying to sort out Well,
given all of that, what can we do that would
improve things? Well if you allow those viewpoints, those disparate viewpoints,
to actually live inside of you for a little bit

(01:21:42):
and deal with the complexity of it all, you go, oh, man,
now it's not so easy. Now that I see all
these different perspectives. How am I going to come up
with a different way of thinking about things? You are
actually now being a truly responsible citizen because you're not
just buying one party's line or one factions line. That

(01:22:04):
that's a tall order, but I think democracy kind of
requires us to do that. Tim, Are you there?

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
Yeah, I'm here. I got knocked out for just a second,
but I'm back.

Speaker 8 (01:22:29):
Okay, did you hear the end of what I said that?
I think you got knocked off again. Something's going on
on our line. Maybe someone doesn't like that we're being
this not part of.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
I have to reboot the computer.

Speaker 11 (01:23:08):
I guess kiss.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Tim's not here.

Speaker 8 (01:23:12):
All right, Well, I'm standing by if you need me
for anything.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Else, all right, I say, come back, all.

Speaker 8 (01:23:42):
Right, Tim, took a little vacation there, did you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
Uh yeah, I mean I was sitting there trying to
let the political process live inside of me for a minute.

Speaker 6 (01:23:52):
I was.

Speaker 8 (01:24:03):
Through and if it's not going to change necessarily you
know who I'm supporting or but I'm going to be
more alert now to the signs of where is there
danger for the republic?

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
All right, So looking here at the clock, unfortunately we're
quickly reading out of time. So what I'm hoping we
can do is get back together again some point down
the road and continue this conversation because this it is
the kind of thing that I think is genuinely helpful
for folks on both sides. I think you're making great points.

(01:24:43):
I want to give you an opportunity though, real quick. Ira,
Please let everybody know where they can find your work,
where they can find the books, not just the most
recent one to stop a Tyrant, but all of them,
because there's great information across the board. Feel free to
share any other websites that you would like to as well,
And if you invite people to follow you anywhere on

(01:25:04):
social media, you're also more than welcome to share any
handles or platforms. And after you put all that out,
Please any final thoughts for the evening, You're welcome to
share with us now, sure, well.

Speaker 8 (01:25:19):
You know, the biggest challenge is spelling my name. I
R A C H A L E two f's like
Frank I wrote Chaloff and author dot com. I wrote
Chaloff author dot com. But if you put in to
stop a Tyrant or another one of my books, like

(01:25:42):
The Courageous Follower, you'll get to me. So I'm not
that hard to find. I guess I'm kind of blessed
or cursed with the fact that nobody else in the
world seems to have my name. So if you confine me,
you'll find me. Tim, I really really appreciate the perspective

(01:26:03):
that you hold, and I would love to have further
conversation with you. And I hope that I'm going to
repeat an offer here if you've got any folks who
have a group that are trying to come together. If
somebody buys a copy of my book, reads it and says,
you know, this'd be real good for my group. I'm

(01:26:25):
actually willing to send them twenty copies of the book
at my expense. All am I going to ask is
that they've made a shipping, which is you know, not
much about a dollar book, And because I want to
know what happens when groups that have different perspectives read
the book, have conversations, and what difference is it making?

(01:26:50):
What can I learn from that? What can we all
learn from that?

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Yeah, that would be an interesting experiment. So I appreciate
that offer a well, So I hope some folks out there,
you're out there listening, I hope you'll take advantage of it.
In the meanwhile, Ira, thank you so much again for
coming on. I appreciate it to new ends, and I
look forward to getting together with you again and doing

(01:27:15):
exactly that, continuing this conversation, and then God will speed
to you, sir, and thank you so much.

Speaker 8 (01:27:22):
Blessings on you, Tim. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
All right, ladies and gentlemen. That was of course mister
Ira Chaliff. And yeah, it's so refreshing when you get
to talk to somebody that legitimately has dedicated their time
to finding that middle ground and then trying to help
other people find that middle ground, because as a unified America,

(01:27:47):
there's not a whole lot out there we can't accomplish.
And I meanwhile, we're gonna reset the hour. You guys,
don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with the good
colonel doctor or doctor colonel or I got to get
him to decide which one it is. Anyway, we'll be
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It is a fun Friday night here in North Carolina.

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All right, Well that's the way we like our Friday night, sir.
I promise you that fun, but not so fun as
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Speaker 12 (01:35:43):
I am off tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
That is always my goal. I'm not sure everyone shares it.
In fact, I'm pretty sure Doug in the control room
is if I was afraid he was going to be
leaving the control room anytime soon, I'd be worried about him.
All right, first and foremost author of be The Weight
behind the Spear. We talked primarily about the book. Then

(01:36:08):
I see now that it's pulled surprize nominated. Is that
relatively new since the last time we talked, or did
somebody just not tell me it had been nominated before?

Speaker 9 (01:36:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:36:18):
I know, it's guys. I'm trying to remember when they
announced that. I believe it was in May, and it
just an honor to be nominated. I did not win,
but as a first time author, it was just great
to see some recognition for something that I'm very passionate about.
And you know, we have a lot left to do
to teach leadership and have this next generation of Americans ready.
So that's my prescription to address that problem.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
All right. And it is a fantastic book. I highly
recommend each and every person pick up a copy given,
read and share it. I think if you do read it,
you're not gonna be able to resist the urge to share,
because it is a fantastic book. But that's not what
we're here to talk about tonight, although certainly nothing wrong

(01:37:01):
with reminding folks where they can find it, and we'll
do that before we say final goodbyes. Wanted to talk
to you about your take on what I thought was
fantastic news earlier in the week. Donald Trump has essentially
re established the presidential fitness test, something that has been

(01:37:22):
around since the sixties. Certainly was in place when I
was in school. It was actually something we got excited about.
We all got competitive with one another when it came time,
and it was a lot of fun and it served
a greater purpose. But as a physician, as somebody who
has seen a lot of well, I guess the concept

(01:37:45):
of fitness among the youth is not anywhere close to
what it used to be. I know that concerns you,
but I'd love to get your initial impressions for the
starting point of our conversation when you heard the executive
order bringing it back.

Speaker 12 (01:38:00):
I'm so excited when I heard that announcement. I have
very fond memories of that. I never received that presidential
patch that they give. I always missed out on the
pull ups each year. But it was a personal challenge.
And you know, the top fifteen percent get that award,
and it's certainly a challenge amongst classmates and peers, but

(01:38:21):
for me, it was always that personal challenge of could
I get better? Could I be better than last year?
And just watching that growth. I think that's what today's
youth are really missing. When you talk about you want
to talk about health and mental health and fitness. It
starts with those things right there, Just those personal challenges
holding yourself accountable. And I was so happy when they

(01:38:44):
announced that this America needs this.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
Oh absolutely, Like I said, I heard it and I
suddenly just smiled. I couldn't help myself. I even had
somebody come up to me and ask, what are you
smiling about? You haven't heard yet, have you enough?

Speaker 16 (01:39:00):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
It was somebody that actually went to high school with
and uh, once I told them what, they started smiling too.
So I think it's not just nostalgia for us, but
I think instinctively we do kind of know a lot
of today's youth are. They're struggling with anxiety, and part
of that I think is triggered from the obesity crisis,

(01:39:23):
where they're not eating well and they're not active enough.
And I think this if used properly, I'm you know,
we I'm not sure I trust all of today's educators
as much as I would like to, but if used properly,
this could so so positively affect so many of those levels.

(01:39:45):
I mean, you're gonna you're gonna really cut back on
the obesity factor. And like you said, mental health and
physical health, they're tied together in so many different ways
that most people don't even realize it. I know, growing
up and even and into my mid adulthood, if I
was really stressed about something, the only thing that would

(01:40:07):
really help is if I went and exercised a little
harder than usual to really clear the mind and give
myself a chance to breathe. And that's something that part
of our bodies here are just built to react that way.
The brain and the body are connected in ways that
I think even medical science doesn't completely understand yet, but
the connection is undeniable, all right.

Speaker 12 (01:40:30):
I still do that to this day when I've had
a stressful day in the emergency department, or I just
finished a command tour that was a lot of stress
going out for that run. Having those habits for the
rest of your life. Establishing those very early gives you
that outlet makes you more resilient later on in life.
And I think during the Obama administration when they it

(01:40:54):
was strange because I think Michelle Obama really had a
push on physical health and was talking about the obesity epidemic,
while you know, President Obama got rid of the Presidential
Fitness Program, and I think their reasoning at the time
was that, oh my gosh, only the top fifteen percent
get this patch, so what about everybody else? They're going

(01:41:14):
to feel bad. That's that's that's the wrong mindset. Like
that was that generation where everyone started out to everybody's
a winner, everybody gets a participation trophy. That was clearly
a monumental policy failure. And we see where we're at now,
you know, fifteen plus years later, with anxiety and depression
and a ton of suicides that I see as an

(01:41:34):
emergency doctor. So you don't have to frame it as
a competition like, oh my gosh, I'm not that top
fifteen percent. You frame it as a personal challenge. You
know they can grow, are they getting better? It doesn't
have to be a competition with everyone else. It's a
competition with yourself. So gosh, I'm so glad to see
this institute it again.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
Yeah, I think you bring up something that we probably
should address, and that is the fact I kind of
mentioned teachers a moment ago. Teachers are going to have
a major role in how this is rolled out. Parents
are going to have a part to play here too.
I think if most of the parents feel the way

(01:42:15):
we do about this, that part's not going to be
an issue. But what should we really be looking at
as we try to encourage the school age children to
re embrace this tradition from our time that I think
could certainly serve these youngsters in ways that they can't

(01:42:36):
possibly imagine until they do it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:39):
Well.

Speaker 12 (01:42:39):
I know I've made that a focus in my household.
I have three children. I try to lead by example.
I mean, I'm not perfect. I don't work out every
single day, but I get that exercise in and that's
an outlet for my children. So it has to start
at home. So we can't just punt this all on
the schools. I think that's a big problem with some
of our education system. And the issues as well is

(01:43:01):
that there are some parents out there. They just want
to be their kids's best friends. They want to be
those lawnmower parents. You know, they just mow down every
obstacle in their child's path. And you know, things have
to start at home. So you know, I think getting
more support and more buying at home and this test
and again just frame it as a personal challenge.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Yeah, well, I certainly agree with you. I'm curious, though,
is there a particular part of this program the way
it used to be that you think would be most
important or is there some changes that you would like
to see made if we move in other than of course,
you keep mentioning a very important part. Hey, if you're

(01:43:45):
worried about hurting the kid's feelings because not everybody can win, well,
then we make sure that we put this in the
framework that you win by participating. That is the participation trophy.
But is there anything else in particular that you would
like to see instituted as a change or anything along

(01:44:06):
those lines.

Speaker 12 (01:44:08):
Well, I know they've got I think there was the
shuttle run, push ups, sit ups, pull ups, and there
used to be the Stretch. I have read that they
were planning on doing, allowing some different states and different
schools even to have some little bit different events, you know,
maybe maybe changing with the times, doing something more fun
that the kids are going to enjoy more. That could

(01:44:29):
entail something different for for every school and maybe the
states do something a little different. But just having that
coming down from the President himself, you know, for those
that do earn that patch, that's that's really special. You
have a patch from the President of the United States.
This is not a partisan issue. This is about health
and wellness and mental health for our children. So this

(01:44:51):
is not a partisan issue. I think it's gonna be
really exciting to see how this plays out.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
Yeah, well, I'm with you. Like I said, couldn't keep
myself from smiling when I saw this. In a world
that's full of so much negativity, this is such a
positive development. And again, what I'm most excited about is
so many people are gonna scoff at this idea, and

(01:45:16):
so many people are going to say, oh, yeah, that's
great and not really realize that this has so much
potential positive momentum for the younger generation because this is
going to help them to become in touch with themselves
in a way that they're just not getting the level
of fulfillment that through their martyrn culture. And I don't

(01:45:42):
think it's possible to oversell it. But every time I
start talking like this and get excited, I keep being
told Tim, so slow down, you're over the top here.
It's fine in all, but it's not all that. I
just agree. I think this is a phenomenal thing that
could mean more than these folks can possibly imagine. I
know this is like the third time I said it,
But until they actually do it and start raping the benefits,

(01:46:06):
they just they're.

Speaker 11 (01:46:06):
Just not going to know.

Speaker 12 (01:46:08):
Yeah, and just that just the improvement and the mental health,
you know, that all ends up in my emergency department
at some point. So the earlier we can get this
instituted and get them healthy physically mentally, it should prevent
a lot of systemic disease later on and keep people
from coming into my emergency room. Nothing would make me happier.

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
Yeah, uh there and get nobody is happier than an
er doctor that has a slow night. Uh Unfortunately that
just doesn't happen very frequently.

Speaker 5 (01:46:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:46:38):
Yeah, a busy night, an exciting night for me is
usually very very bad for someone.

Speaker 3 (01:46:43):
Yeah all right, Uh, well, you know, I'm looking at
the clock, but we've just got a few moments left.
So I wanted to give you a little bit of
time to kind of share any uh any final thoughts
that you would like but out in regards to this,
and then we'll kind of transition in to reminding people
where they can find a book, any websites you want

(01:47:06):
to share, and if you're inviting people to follow you
on social media, feel free to throw out handles and platforms.
And then after all that we can finish up with
a final thought for the evening as a whole.

Speaker 11 (01:47:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:47:20):
Absolutely, So I always like to put that plug out there.
Life is a team sport. Your community needs you. That's
the best resource that we have in our country. It's teachers, coaches,
volunteers and families that right there is what sets America apart.
And so you talk about it takes a village you

(01:47:42):
know that life being a team sport, but it's your teachers,
it's families. So these kids need us. This is a
group of Americans that were very very had formative years
that we shut them out of school, shut them out
of church, and just shut them out of their community.
And they're hurting and they need us to step up.

(01:48:03):
So what you do matters every day. Get out there
in your community, volunteer, coach, go do some t ball,
or go to your church, do something.

Speaker 5 (01:48:10):
But we need you.

Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
All right again, where can they find the books?

Speaker 6 (01:48:18):
You can go to it.

Speaker 12 (01:48:19):
It's on Amazon. It's also at Barnes and Noble and
anywhere books are sold. We've got the audiobook, the ebook
and the paperback and you can learn more at Weightbehind
the Spear dot com. That's w E I G H
T waightbehind the Spear dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
Okay, and again, do you want to mention anything about
the campaign? Absolutely no.

Speaker 12 (01:48:42):
This campaign in North Carolina for the Lieutenant Governor is
about security, safety, and service. You know, families, education. The
Lieutenant Governor chairs the Department of Education here in North Carolina,
and as a physician and educator and prior duke professor,
I really and look forward to that challenge. There's no

(01:49:02):
more important challenge than education for our children. And if
you want to join the team and learn more, you
can go to Stronger NC dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:49:12):
All right, Colonel, doctor, doctor, colonel, I'm going to keep
doing that. I'm afraid I love it. Thank you again, Josh,
Thank you so much for coming on. I do appreciate it. Obviously,
you've got a lot going on in a lot of
different directions and taking the time to come talk to
us it means a lot to me and to the listeners.

(01:49:36):
I know we've got a lot of positive feedback from
your appearance on the Rumble Channel last time, and I
just want to say best of luck to you in
your quest for political office, and thank you so much
for literally everything you do and everything you have done.
Your service to the nation is greatly appreciated, and your
continued service as an er position something that not everybody's

(01:50:01):
cut out to do and something that is a phenomenal
blessing for those that make their way into your er
I have no doubt. Thank you so much for all that,
and again, God speed to you, and I hope we
can get together down the road and continue the conversation thank.

Speaker 12 (01:50:17):
You very much. God bless guys.

Speaker 3 (01:50:21):
All right, ladies and gentlemen. That is doctor Josh McConkey,
a colonel, a combat deployed military physician, the author of
the Pulitzer Prize nominated Be The Weight Behind the Spear,
A fantastic book. Again, I can't recommend it enough. I

(01:50:42):
know I recommend a lot of books here, but this
one truly stands out in its uniqueness. With that being said,
wanted to take a few moments to kind of wind
it down this evening. We've got a little bit of
time left. I don't often afford myself that I wanted to.
I wanted to take a moment to thank you. You know,

(01:51:05):
if you're listening to the show, even if you've just
got it tuned in, if you just have k Star
Talk Radio turned on and you just listen for hours
regardless of who comes on, you know, I still appreciate
you listening while I'm here. If you take the time
to go over to iHeartRadio or Spotify or wherever you

(01:51:29):
listen to audio podcast, or if you come find us
over on Rumble and you watch the Rumble channel, I
appreciate that greatly. And while that is it, goes a
long way towards supporting the show just listening. It really does.
But what I would ask you do, especially if you're

(01:51:53):
listening to the podcast or if you're going over to Rumble,
is click the like, click the follow, share, put a comment.
Even if the comments, Hey, that Tim guy sounds kind
of funny, whatever, All those things help to move the
show up in the algorithm, and that means it gets

(01:52:17):
shown to somebody new that hadn't seen it before. That
means new opportunities, new listeners are born. Those are great
ways to support the show. And that's really all I've
ever asked for those of you who enjoy what you're hearing,
enjoy what I do. That is the appreciation that I seek. Now,

(01:52:39):
You're always welcome to do other things if you like,
but those are the things that mean the most as
far as I'm concerned, and I think it really does
go a long way towards helping. Before I say my
final goodbyes for the evening, I also want to thank
Doug hanging out in the control room helping to make
sure that everything is coordinated proper. Does a hell of

(01:53:01):
a job in there, and he is behind the scenes
frequently enjoy dragging him out from behind the scenes over
and rumble. Every now and then we'll probably overdue and
making that happen again. But guys, it really is a
case where I'm so very grateful and so very blessed
to get to do what I have done here tonight.

(01:53:22):
I got to have four very good conversations with four
very different people who have unique perspectives and have something
to offer, common sense, unity healing. More often than not
these shows, when I put them together, they somehow magically
end up having a cohesive message. Didn't really happen tonight,

(01:53:46):
but I very rarely plan it that way, so I
have no doubt that tonight somebody who's listening ended up
hearing something they really needed to hear. Because, on top
of the usual sign off, as it's been mentioned by
more than one person tonight, more than one guest letting

(01:54:08):
God be your navigator, trusting in that plan, it means
so much, and sometimes you just end up in the
right place at the right time, and hopefully I helped
somebody here's something they needed to hear by having these
guests on tonight. With all that being said, I think

(01:54:29):
it's time for me to say good night. So please
don't take anything I've said this evening. Don't take it
for granted. Don't just accept it as being true. Challenge it,
go find out for yourself. But please also do not
take Alexandria Accussio Cortes's word for anything either. Do not

(01:54:52):
take Bernie Sanders' word for anything. Go out, do your
own research in some effort, and most importantly, use your
brain if you really want to tap into the truth.
That's gonna be it for me tonight this evening. Thank
you so much for being here. Remember to come check

(01:55:14):
us out next week as well. Don't be afraid to
come find the archives, listen to past episodes, all that
great stuff. Have a great weekend, be blessed, have joy,
and be American. That means you get to enjoy liberty,
the pursuit of happiness, and all that great.

Speaker 17 (01:55:36):
Stuff with the v that's all, folks.

Speaker 3 (01:56:06):
Your baby gun was a world of fine when you
were just.

Speaker 5 (01:56:09):
A little squirt.

Speaker 9 (01:56:12):
You learn the rules of defensive tool so that no
one would get hurt.

Speaker 5 (01:56:21):
You learn to breathe, and you learned.

Speaker 4 (01:56:23):
To squeeze till your able is always true.

Speaker 8 (01:56:28):
You may the right of passage.

Speaker 4 (01:56:30):
Man with your first Wheel twenty two.

Speaker 8 (01:56:37):
Tell the New World Order. True, well, they're making their demands.

Speaker 4 (01:56:43):
They don't feel safe, and you are wrong. You say
country shows using both hands. Father's knew the Second Amendment
was the final war.

Speaker 8 (01:57:00):
To keep.

Speaker 9 (01:57:02):
So lother, I sa tame so never because sheep starling
in the Moody and Paul Pot they told.

Speaker 3 (01:57:15):
Us things that you never forgot.

Speaker 5 (01:57:18):
To lessen your daughters of size.

Speaker 9 (01:57:21):
They're the government.

Speaker 4 (01:57:22):
The fears of guns.

Speaker 9 (01:57:27):
Now the new world daughter. True well, there may be
a lending pants and don't feel safe, and.

Speaker 8 (01:57:35):
You are wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:57:36):
You say gun control is using both hands.

Speaker 13 (01:57:46):
I there fer the freedom wait to the time in
two to three.

Speaker 9 (01:57:53):
Lot fout a nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
To take my family and now the New world are

(01:58:15):
not through?

Speaker 5 (01:58:16):
Well they're maggy lab labs.

Speaker 3 (01:58:20):
They can pass one hundred balls, but we still won't
give it down.

Speaker 11 (01:58:27):
Or the least thing over do.

Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
If they try to take this.

Speaker 5 (01:58:31):
Lady, have the kids.

Speaker 10 (01:58:34):
And reduce him.

Speaker 9 (01:58:35):
Don't control

Speaker 4 (01:58:44):
Is using both hands

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