Freedom Revealed, Defiant, and A Noble Take on Trump and Putin

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let you guys down, especially considering tonight's lineup. We've got

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all returning guests coming back tonight first and foremost, right
out the gate here in just a moment, we're scheduled
to be joined by mister Don Wilkie. He is, of
course the author of Freedom revealed a simple, elegant system.
We're gonna be having a conversation about why so many
Democrats now seem to be letting the cat out the bag,

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if you will, accusations that people like myself have been
making for some time, that there is an intentional plan
to use illegal immigrants who have found their way migrated
across our border in a non legal fashion. That's the
part that makes them illegal. Of course, how that's actually

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part of their plan for power, and a few of
these folks are starting to stay that quiet part out loud.
So that'll be part of our conversation with Don. Definitely
looking forward to speaking to him about that. Then a
little bit later, we are scheduled to be joined by
Christina Bob. Now, it's been a little while since Christina
was on with us, and I and Doug were talking

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not too long ago about how we really needed to
get her back on the show. And to give you
an idea of how long it's been. Last time she
was with us, she was promoting her book Stealing Your Vote.
Now that's been a minute. She's got a new book
coming out now, Defiant. It's actually her first hand account

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of the FBI raid on our lago, so that should
be an interesting conversation. Then a little bit later in
the second hour, we are scheduled to be joined by
one of our favorite journalists. She works over at Red
State and she does a great sub stack and it's

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In the meanwhile, what do you say we actually get
started with this evening show. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome back.
As I mentioned already, returning guest author of Freedom revealed
a simple, elegant system, mister Donald Wilke. Donald, thank you

(07:39):
so much for coming back on with us again tonight.
And before we get started, how are you today?

Speaker 5 (07:44):
I'm terrific, Tim? How about yourself?

Speaker 2 (07:48):
I'm hanging in. I'm on the I'm on the uphill
swing back from having a twenty four hour bug or
something or another. But I am starting to feel better
and it certainly can't complain because either way, I'm a
little too blessed to be complaining too much, if you
know what I mean. Good for you, all right, Well, first,

(08:14):
you know we've had a couple of different conversations at
this point about the book and how you came about it.
Of course, you've got a background in entrepreneurism, and you
know you are certainly a scholar to a large degree,
and all of this really leads to a fundamental understanding

(08:38):
on your part between government and how individual autonomy and
how freedom actually kind of clicks into place. You've kind
of gotten a look behind the scenes to really understand
how freedom can be achieved and maintained in a fashion

(08:59):
in which most people really don't because we typically look
at it from a philosophical or political standpoint. But you
see it from a very different direction, right.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Right, I see it from a mechanical situation. In other words,
freedom is a system, and like all systems, it has elements.
And when you put the elements together and they work together, right,
you're the right elements, you're going to have a good,
prosperous society. When you don't, you're going to have poverty

(09:30):
and not such a good time. And the reason for
putting all the elements together correctly is we only go
one time around in life, we want it to be
as prosperous and happy as possible.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
And this is part of that little simple secret. Of course,
I say simple secret because it sounds simple enough, act
actually practicing it and put it in place a little
more ch launching, especially since so many people really haven't
clicked into it. But part of that is also trying
to look around corner, seeing where the pitfalls are, and

(10:09):
that kind of brings us around towards our primary conversation
for this evening, and that having to do with some
rather well known democratic talking heads. A couple of them
are either office holders or previous office holders who are
kind of starting to be more vocal about how their

(10:33):
intentions are to utilize people as a voting base who
legally aren't currently permitted to vote in order to maintain
their power. It's kind of that quest for power that
steps in the way of actual freedom, and I'd love
for you to address that. But let's start with why

(10:55):
so many folks seem to now be newly emboldened to
make these very bodacious statements, considering that there's still a
lot of people that typically vote for their side of
the aisle that don't like the idea of non citizens
having such a large power base.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Yeah, well, I liked you reminding everybody the Democrat quest
for power. One of the things I realized in writing
about a system of freedom is freedom is not about groups.
Freedom is about the individual. The largest group you can
have in a system of freedom is the individual is one.

(11:39):
And Democrats had a strategy of herd mentality. They got
all the groups they could think of to vote for
the Democrats. They had the Gaze voting, the women, the Blacks,
the Unions, the Hispanics, they even had the Jewish people
and the Muslim people voting for them. And when they

(12:01):
found out that that still wasn't enough to continue their
power and keep them safe in power, well, I think
they open it up to illegal aliens. So I think
it's illegal what they've been doing. I think it's underhanded
what they've been doing. And I think in the final analysis,

(12:22):
that's going to fail as long as we understand in
a system of freedom, the individual is the most important thing.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, that does seem to be lost a lot in
our current conversations, even when we're on the other side
of the island. We're talking America first, that seems to
insinuate by nature a certain level of collectivism, which, in fact,
ken if you look at what's best for America being

(12:52):
what's best for the American people, and what's best for
the American people by extension being individual liberty, you can
make the argument that that's still a better option, but
it still could be abused. And I think we've seen
some folks trying to reach that way. But when we
have people like Robert Francis O'Rourke, why does guy to
every want to be called Beto standing up and trying

(13:16):
to insinuate so strongly that it is, in fact that
pac mentality that's the only way to achieve something special.
It really does kind of come down to who buys
into the propaganda, because in all honesty, it's little more
than just excited emotional propaganda, right.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
Yeah, Yeah. And a central part of a system of freedom,
of course, is the rule of law. And our symbol
for the rule of law is a blindfolded judge and
holding a scales in front of her. And you know,
the whole point is, I can't see who's in front

(13:58):
of me, so it's the individual I'm concerned about. I'm
interested in the laws, the actual laws. It doesn't matter
what group you're in. And so the Democrats are still
pushing this meme or pushing this idea that groups are
the answer, that people will understand that they're part of

(14:20):
a group and they want to be part of a group,
and to give this group power, they have to vote
for the Democrats. But again, that's a short sighted system
or a short sighted vision, and obviously it's not working.
And I have to applaud Trump because with all his
executive actions and things like that, he has definitely changed

(14:42):
the focus from the group back to the individual, and
I applaud him for that.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, well, you know what really comes down, I think
as far as what certain people are going is they're
trying to take advantage of a trait that a lot
of us have in common, and that's our inherent tribalism.

(15:10):
We find people that we associate with that that we
see as being the same similar our people, and then
we kind of other everyone else. But it is really
hard to other yourself. So I think you're absolutely right,
Donald Trump excuse me, has managed to accomplish that refocus,

(15:34):
and despite the best efforts of the political left, they
really don't seem to be able to gain any type
of serious footing because every time they accuse him of tyranny,
it's because he's trying to enforce laws that have been
on the books for decades, if not in some cases centuries.

(15:55):
He's literally coming out against crime. So therefore, you know
what criminal activity should be tolerated to whatever. To these
people have literally lost their minds in their effort to
try to find someplace that they can find a putting
to push back. But what is really appealing is exactly

(16:16):
what you're saying, Because I, as a white person in Tennessee,
may not be as concerned about the street crime on
the streets of Washington, d C. After dark, but there
are a lot of people that tend to vote Democrat
who do care a lot about that, and that is
the type of individual care that does lead back into

(16:39):
that system of freedom. So if you can focus in
that direction, it really is a case where you're never
going to turn DC into a Republican stronghold. Not that
Donald Trump is this typical old school Republican by any
means anyway, but you are going to start making people

(17:00):
think that maybe at the very least it's time to
reevaluate who they're selecting for their party, politics, their tribe.
If we're going to be tribal about it, needs better leaders.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
Yeah, you know, we had affirmative action for years, just
when everything seemed to be going right, where finally, after
two hundred years of history, everyone would be looked at
equally by the government. And it's kind of funny when
you go back in American history, you go to the
very founding, and we had at least four different rules

(17:34):
of law. We had a rule for slaves, we had
a rule for native people, we had a rule for men,
and we had a rule for women. And when we
started affirmative action, the laws had all finally melted into
the same thing. We had one rule for everybody. And
then they started affirmative action, which anybody with half a

(17:56):
monoicum of sense will say, it's it's discriminatory. Affirmative action
is discriminatory. And then it didn't work. So they put
a nice name on it diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's
the same thing, and it's discriminatory. And Trump saw right

(18:17):
through that and he attacked it, and thank goodness he did.
I think everybody in this country can accept the fact
that hey, I'm equal, you're equal. We're equal, We're under
the same law. And if we look at it that way,
all of a sudden is bickering. These little problems that
all the different groups have with each other should dissipate

(18:39):
and go away.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, I mean, it is an unfortunate side effect of
those people that are looking to subvert individual liberty, actual
freedom in the pursuit of power that has got so
many people putting themselves in these boxes and allowing the
labels that they want to put on us to apply.

(19:05):
So that that's levels.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Aren't we getting tired of saying, you know, the black groups,
or the Hispanics, or the gaze, or you know, I'm
just tired of all that. I'm just an individual. I
have my life lives under the laws of the United States.
You know, I should have to be judged the same
way as anybody else. And I think everybody, really, when

(19:27):
they get down to it, thinks that way. But as
long as you as you mentioned the herd mentality, and
as long as you can keep people thinking they're part
of these groups and that somebody's doing good things for
a group, it's it's not good for a system of freedom.

Speaker 6 (19:45):
Right.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, the hyphenated Americanism, I think is a good way
to address it. If you have to put something in
front of American, then you're missing the point of being
a citizen of the United States.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
I think Bingo Bingo very well said.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I do get whatevery now and then Donald anyway, So
what in your mind based on what you've seen so far,
I mean, I think you've kind of hit upon a
big chunk of the evolution of how we've kind of
went from Actually, you know, we had a lot of

(20:29):
segregation in earlier days of the country because people kind
of clung to the people they were most familiar with,
and then we eventually saw that bit of a melting
pot that we had always sought to be, and then
along comes folks that were intentionally trying to undo it
because they wanted power. But it kind of feels like,

(20:54):
and maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but
it feels like we are starting to see that pendulum
swing back in the direction of folks, a lot of
folks who have clung to the political identities and the
racial identities and the sexual proclivity identity, all these things.
It kind of feels like a lot of those folks

(21:15):
are getting tired of it too, and maybe swinging back
to that notion that the only real freedom that matters
is my own and in protecting those same values for others.
But if I don't have freedom, then there is no freedom.
Is that something that you're seeing too? Or am I

(21:36):
just looking too hard for something that I wish would
be true?

Speaker 7 (21:40):
No?

Speaker 5 (21:41):
I see it too, And I can sense a big
sigh of relief going across the country that we don't
have to worry about people's sensitivities, you know, and we
you know, Afro American people almost do sing song when
they say Afro American, you know, like they're really kind
and nice people. You know, Hey, he's an American, so

(22:03):
what you know, let's forget about that. That's kind of
my position, and we all need to get to that position.
And I should say I think we all want to
get to that position because then you have a system
of freedom operating the way it should. System of freedom
is based on the individual, not on the group. That's

(22:25):
just that simple.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, I think you've laid it out about as simplistically
as we can, but there's still a lot of working
pieces to try to get to that level, and there
is the one place where the group mentality can be helpful,
and that is you need a large enough group believing

(22:51):
the same thing. I miss today's I miss today's when
the folks that we used to refer to as liberals,
we're the ones that would stand up and say, I
may not agree with what you're saying, but I'll defend
to the death your right to say it, as opposed
to oh no, we have to censure you now if
you say something I don't agree with, and even if

(23:12):
I think you're on my side, you say one thing
later that I disagree with you. Now we have to
get Thank God, that is coming to an end. Cancel.
Culture is dying out, But you do have to have
enough folks agreeing on the fundamental principles that the Great

(23:32):
American experiment was based on. Right.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Another real, big one that you miss, but we're dancing
around a little bit, is a freedom of speech. You
know you can't say that because you're going to hurt
his sensibilities. What do you mean this is? I can
say anything I want, as you mentioned, I'll descend to
the right your right to say it. You know, I'll
defend to the death. You're right to say it. That's

(23:58):
exactly how it is. The freedom should be thought of.
Franklin said it perfectly. He said, if a man can't
call his tongue his own, there is scarce anything else
he can call his own. So freedom of speech, of course,
is extremely important. And we shouldn't worry about hurting other
people's feelings because it's that's not up to them to judge.

(24:23):
They should laugh at it. But I'm a little frustrated
that the argument is still going on with the groups
and we have to think of groups, and I've been
practicing for the last several years to think only in
terms of the individuals, so it frustrates me. But yes,

(24:43):
I definitely see a turning point. I definitely see people saying, hey,
enough is enough. We've had it. We're tired of the DEI.
We're tired of all these tippy toeing things we have
to do. We're tired of the statues being torn down,
names being changed because people's sensibilities might be hurts. I'm

(25:05):
talking about some of the military forts that we have
that Trump has renamed, brought back the same name that
was changed. So I have a very optimistic outlook as
to what is coming our way. I really am excited
about our society getting together and pulling together as a whole,

(25:26):
because in the final analysis, truth will out. And once
we understand the truth, once we can see how self
evident that truth is, and not let people tell us
how we should think and how we should react and
how we should feel about being in this group or
that group, then we're going to pull together and we'll

(25:46):
be a force to be reckoned with around the world. Again,
if your people in a country don't unite, don't pull together,
don't feel the same, you don't have a country. And
we are blessed having so many different people, so many
different backgrounds, so many different ways of thinking, so many
different ideas, and yet we are stronger when we have

(26:10):
all of those than when we don't. And it's I'm
very optimistic, all.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Right, Donald, I think that's a great place to end
the general conversation, because that's about as good closing thought
as we could have on that real quick before we
say our final goodbyes, though, please remind everybody where they
can find the book. I feel free to share any
websites you'd like to, and if by chance you're inviting

(26:39):
anyone to follow you anywhere on social media. You're welcome
to share whatever platforms and handles you might be operating
on as well.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
Okay, well, social media is my dark spot. I don't
do that very well. I've got articles and videos up
on substack and YouTube, and the website is Freedom Revealed
dot net and of course Amazon. You can buy the
book at the other places. Book Baby. They're my publisher

(27:11):
and they're a good company too. So anyway, that's what
I have.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
All right, Well, that certainly certainly is sufficient, and that's
plenty enough social media too, between substack and YouTube. I
want to thank you again for coming on. I appreciate
our conversations, and I appreciate even better the elegance in
which you have broken down the system for freedom. With

(27:38):
that being said, I do hope we can get together
again a little bit further down the road and continue
the conversation, and hopefully we'll be talking about how much
further along the path we've gotten back to our quest
for freedom. Thank you so much, and godspeed, thank you
to some pleasure. All right, ladies and gentlemen, that was indeed,

(28:01):
mister Donald Wilkie, And if you haven't already picked up
a copy of Freedom revealed a simple, elegant system. I
do recommend you check it out. Certainly worthwhile to see
the mechanisms that help to institute your individual liberty. I meanwhile,

(28:22):
we're going to reset the hour, and if all goes
as planned, we'll be joined by Miss Christina Bob on
the other side. And if not, well, you know, it's Friday,
so we'll figure something out. You stay right where you're at,
We'll be right back.

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You all right, ladies and gentlemen, Thank you so very
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She started her legal career in the United States Marine Corps.
She has been on television both as a show host
and as a correspondent on American One American news network.
She has been an expert on electioned integrity, as revealed

(37:56):
by the liner that Doug played. A little while ago.
She was out promoting her book Stealing Your Vote last
time she joined us. She's back today talking about her
latest book, Defiant, inside the mar A Lago Raid and
the left ongoing law fair. It's not done, ladies and gentlemen,

(38:18):
please welcome back to the show, Miss Christina. Bob Christina,
thank you so much for being here with us again tonight.
How are you today?

Speaker 10 (38:26):
Thank you so much for having me. I am thrilled
to be joining you.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
All right, Well, we're absolutely thrilled to have you back,
no question, had some of the best overall feedback from
your earlier appearance, which is why we've always kept you
on the radar. But then why not. You have this
charisma about you that goes well beyond just the legal
presence and the television presence. There's just something special about

(38:53):
you as a communicator, and that's why I really appreciate
the fact that you go full blast. You don't just
take one field in one area. You're writing the books,
you're making the rounds on the circuits, You're communicating what
needs to be done. And I'm really really looking forward
to the opportunity to dig into the latest book. This

(39:16):
actually is a first hand account, meaning that you were
present for this. The raid, the FBI raid on mar
A Lago was one of those pivotal moments. It was
a moment in history where a lot of conservatives for
the first time came to realize undeniably how far our
judicial system, our system of government, had been weaponized against

(39:42):
political activities. What was it like actually being there as
you saw people trying to comply with the orders and
them being rebuffed.

Speaker 10 (39:54):
Oh yeah, no, it was awful. I mean, the raid
never should have happened. So I was a staff attorney
for President Trump in early twenty twenty two. I worked
with his defense team and met with the Department of
Justice and the FBI months in advance of the raid.
You know, when they made their first demand for documents
that they were never entitled to, by the way, and
then I ended up being present on site during the raid,

(40:17):
and they never never had probable cost to actually raid
mar A Lago. And I would argue that the warrant
was obtained, probably unlawfully. I think they lied to the court,
at least what we can see from the affidavit thus
far as they were not completely honest with the judge.
The judge himself was compromised as he had previously accused

(40:41):
himself due to a conflict from a Trump Clinton case.
So the whole thing, reeks. I give the readers the
text messages, the emails, the whole breakdown of everything that happened,
so you can make your own mind up. But I
believe that everyone won't come to the same conclusion I did,
which is this never should have happened, and when it
did happen, it was so egregious with how arrogant they

(41:06):
were and just the way they conducted themselves throughout the
entire thing. It was never a quest for the truth.
It was always an attempt to try to manufacture something
to take down Donald Trump. They were unsuccessful, and then
all of the lawfare that ensued after the fact, which
I'm still fighting. I'm still a criminal defendant in Arizona,

(41:28):
an unrelated case but related to the twenty twenty elections.
In my previous book. Actually, so yeah, it's just really
kind of wild. I'm sure the readers will be shocked
to learn that everything the media told you about the
Jack Smith investigations was totally wrong.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Well, you know, it's just it's so shocking to me.
And one of the things that I like discussing about
this level of lawfare we've seen just so overwhelmingly directed
at Donald Trump in an effort not to bring someone
to justice, but in an effort to destroy him, his family,

(42:11):
his life, his business. Everything these people have done and
it continues even now. But to see all this, it
has to be disheartening. To people like yourself who dedicated
yourself to the rule of law and to serving the
law by virtue of being an officer of the court,

(42:35):
by virtue of being someone who stands up in your case.
You've been on the side of the accused almost exclusively
and regardless of whether you're a prosecutor or if you're
a defender. It has to be disheartening to see this

(42:55):
great system that we had built that was far from perfect,
but way better, better than anything else that exist anywhere else,
be so bastardized, so so destructively harmed.

Speaker 10 (43:09):
Yeah, I know you're you're exactly right. I mean, it's saddening, terrifying,
you know, disheartening. All of the words that you've used
describe it perfectly. Thank god we were able to get
Donald Trump back in office. And I do think that part,
at least part, if not as all, of his legacy
really is what he does with our court system and

(43:31):
our justice system, not just criminal justice, but civil as well,
because we see a lot of civil law. Fair I
experienced that as well. Obviously he has, they're still doing
it now. How he maneuvers that, and I think one
of the ways he needs to maneuver it is he
needs to bring some prosecutions. These people aren't going to
stop until they end up in prison, and that's exactly

(43:53):
where they belong. So I think, I think he needs
to bring these cases. And part of his legacy is
going to depend on whether he whether he brings these
cases or not. Because I love what he's doing with
trade and the tariffs and he's rebalancing world trade, and
I love how he's securing our border, and I love

(44:14):
right now he's, you know, in Alaska, meeting with Putin,
trying to bring peace in Eastern Europe. All of that
is amazing and wonderful. If he doesn't secure our courts
and root out the corruption in our courts, it's all
going to be for naught because people will get thrown
in prison, political opposition will be outlawed, and in a
very short cycle, they'll undo everything that he's accomplished. So

(44:38):
all of the winds that he's making, the way he
kind of nails them down to ensure they last is
to make sure that the corruption is rooted out of
our court system.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, and send the very strong message that if you
do violate the law, that you will face the consequence
becomes an actual deterrent again. I do think the one
thing that Donald Trump is going to be best remembered
for when it comes time to write the history books

(45:11):
a generation or so down the road is his amazing
ability to get people to reveal who they really are.
And he's done exactly that, especially in some of these cases.
We'll circle back to the book again here in the second,
but I would like to get your take on what

(45:33):
in your mind has been the most outrageous judicial finding
at this point amongst all the law fair that has
been done. I mean, obviously the raid on mar Alago
a big deal. That's why you've chosen to write about it.
But there's so many different things, and some of it's
so blatantly in opposition to the law that's really right

(45:57):
in front. What in your opinion has been the most
blatantly obvious case of just personal bias.

Speaker 10 (46:06):
There's a few of them. It's hard to pick one,
but probably the sham cases in New York where the
courts allowed the abuse of the system, which his cases
are going to get overturned on appeal. But he's got
to work through that. The other side of it is,
and I guess, if I had to put it all
in one category, I would say the abuse of state courts,

(46:26):
including New York. You know I'm being tried in or
I'm being prosecuted, I should say in Arizona, the Fanny
Willis case, everybody forgets about it. It's still open, she's
still trying to prosecute it. It's still open. Michigan, Wisconsin,
and Nevada also have cases open where they're trying to
criminalize the twenty twenty election in a way where none

(46:51):
of the activity was criminal. And it's not so much
that the courts are saying, oh, yeah, this is a crime,
go ahead and prosecute, because they're actually not. My indictment
was thrown out because the judge is like this, you
know you did it wrong. You can't do this. This
is a violation of their constitutional rights. My indictment has
been thrown out. But so many of the courts, in

(47:12):
my mind included, they're just leaving the cases open with
no end in sight, and they're forcing people to remain
as accused felon which shows up on background checks. You know,
you want a volunteer somewhere, you have an open selony case.
You know, it makes it hard to volunteer, get a job,
buy a house. You know, anytime there's a background check conducted,

(47:35):
it destroys your life. And so to me, the processes,
the punishment. The fact that courts are allowing these cases
to play out, even though they may not necessarily be
giving democrats everything they want, i e. Convictions, the fact
that they're allowing them to use the process to destroy
lives is really really disgusting.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Mean again, I circle back to this idea of some
of the judges setting in some of these cases and
them knowingly doing things that they would never do to
an average citizen that they thought they might agree with
them politically. Just the loss of that willingness to separate

(48:19):
yourself out to become lady Justice, if you will, to
put on that blindfold and just hear the evidence, hear
what's in front of you, and abide by the laws
that you're expected to abide by is just heartbreaking. So
what made you decide that you needed to tell the
story of Defiant? I mean, at this point, the new

(48:43):
cycle is kind of moved past that we're focused more
on courts now denying the administration trying to move forward
with the reforms. It's definitely an important story and we
do need to know the details from behind the scenes.
I absolutely agree with it. But what was it that
made you decide you were going to write this and

(49:04):
it's you were determined to make sure that everybody knew
what happened on that day.

Speaker 10 (49:10):
Yeah, well, a couple things. One, I think it's incredibly
relevant right now with all of the revelations Tulfy Gabbard
has brought out the fact that there was this criminal
conspiracy to stop Donald Trump, and the mar Alago case
relates to that. It's all connected. So I think we're
going to see a lot come out of mar Alago
in the near future. But also this was the first
I was allowed to publish it. I took note and

(49:33):
made records of everything that was happening as it was happening,
because I knew the American people needed to know the truth,
and so I just recorded everything with the intention of
giving it to my attorneys, you know, recognizing that we
were all going to need lawyers, which we all did,
and that we were all going to be put through
the ringer. So I just recorded everything to have a
record of what actually transpired. And once President Trump was indicted,

(49:57):
you know, I wasn't allowed to put it out because
I because it was ongoing litigation, and so it wasn't
until President Trump won reelection and Jack Smith dropped the charges,
which was right before the inauguration. That was the first
moment that I was really allowed to tell the story.
And I met with President Trump and said, you know, sir,

(50:18):
can I do I have your permission to put the
information out because you know a lot of it's attorney
client privileged. And he said, yep, absolutely, and he supports it.
He wrote the forward to it so the readers will
get a special note from President Trump. And I mean,
this is the first time that we're allowed to put
the story out. So I quite honestly, I did it

(50:39):
as soon as I could, as soon as I was
allowed to do. I put it out right.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Well, well, I didn't mean to refer that maybe the
timing was off. It takes a while to get a
book out anyway. And obviously, if you're engaged in the
legal side of things there when there's ongoing litigation.

Speaker 10 (51:00):
You have to be young for sure say anything.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah, But you know, it just seems to me like
you would be the obvious choice to be the authority
to be the voice for telling the events of what
actually happened that day to push back against the corporate
legacy media's distortions. But it sometimes it just comes down

(51:23):
to a question of do I really want to with
everything else that's happening, do I want to take the
step of putting this into the form of a book
and making sure this is available, because you have to
know that the folks that already saw you as an
enemy are just going to see you even more so
now and again I applaud your courage. Not that anybody

(51:45):
doubted that either, but it's always has to be a
calculation when you decide to write a book like this
and get it into the hands of the public. So again,
thank you for that. But that's really the reason and
rationale for the question, because.

Speaker 10 (52:00):
So much, no, I appreciate it. It's a story that
needs to be told. You know, people need to know
the truth, they need to know what happened, and the
media hasn't told anyone. So yeah, I'm putting it out.
The President's putting it out, and yeah, I hope everybody
enjoys it and feels like you learned the truth about
what actually went down.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yeah, Yeah, And it's not everybody who gets to say
that their book has a forward written by the setting
president of the United States. So that's a pretty cool
I feel very blessed.

Speaker 10 (52:28):
Yes, it's an honor.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
All right. Well, it's about time for us to wind down,
but before we say our final goodbyes, wanted to give
you an opportunity to share any final thoughts that you
had for the evening, And please remind everybody where they
can find all of your work. Feel free to share
any websites you'd like to, and if you're inviting people
to follow you anywhere on social media, feel free to

(52:50):
share handles and platforms as well.

Speaker 10 (52:53):
Yeah, thank you. My name is Christina Bob. I have
a website christinabob dot com. Bobb and Define is available
for pre sale. It comes out in a couple of
weeks on Amazon, Barnes, and Noble wherever books are sold.
And yeah, you can find me there. My social media
handle is Christina Underscore Bob babb and Yeah you can

(53:14):
follow me and chug along. I hope the book blesses you.
I hope you feel informed, and it's just so important
that we continue to fight. It's amazing that President Trump's
back in office. I'm thrilled with it, but this battle
is not over, and we've got to finish it right.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
I think that's the one thing that everybody listening really
needs to take away. This isn't a fight on Donald
Trump's behalf. That isn't a fight on Christina Bob's behalf.
This is a fight on every American citizen's behalf. Because
if they're willing to do this to them, Heaven help
us if we don't have them between us and that

(53:49):
day we Christina, thank you so much for coming back
on again. I hope we can get together again some
point down the road and continue the conversation. In the meanwhile,
God speed to you. Thank you for your courage, your grit,
and your determination.

Speaker 10 (54:03):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, Again, Christina Bob. I really
can't express to you how important the work that she
has done to this point has been. In What's going
on now? And picking up a copy of this book
will really give you that insider resview. You get an
opportunity to see how the FBI actually acted on site,

(54:31):
how everything that occurred leading up to it. Is so
much stuff that you just you might hear a story
about or hear reporting about. But until you get that
first hand perspective, someone that was there on site and
knew exactly what to watch for, what was legally questionable,

(54:51):
and knew how to take notes and turn that into
something cool and beyond that, Hey forward by Donald John Trump.
That is pretty dang cool. Not everybody gets to say that.
In the meanwhile, I guess it's just about time for
us to ease into resetting the hour. So if you
guys will be so kind and gracious as to allow

(55:14):
us to take a brief brief break, we'll reset and
we'll bring on our favorite Red State journalist, miss Becky Noble,
in just a few don't go anywhere, We'll be right back.
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Sad, but I.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
Guess that doesn't cut in.

Speaker 12 (57:29):
I almost wish you one in the native.

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Alrighty, ladies and gentlemen, thank you so very much for
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Had a great conversation I believe with Miss Christina Bob
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Speaker 13 (59:03):
How are you today, I'm good, tim thanks so much
for having me on.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
How are you well. I'm doing a lot better than
I was yesterday, I'll have to say that. Much a
bit under the weather actually, but doing better now and
happy to be able to get together and talk with
some folks that are helping to raise my spirits a
bit too. So you guys are actually my therapy for

(59:28):
this evening. Thank you so much for that. All right,
let's jump into the action. We'll follow the usual format.
We'll talk a little bit in the first segment about
general news stories, and then we'll get into some of
the things that you've specifically been covering lately. And I
want to start with the big Russian Vladimir Putin Donald

(59:54):
John Trump meeting in Alaska. A lot of people have
said areous things here and there seemed to be losing
my voice for some reason, and you know, I just
want to kind of get your take on the meeting itself,
and then we'll dig into a couple of the details

(01:00:15):
that are kind of swirling around it and get your
thoughts there as well.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
Well.

Speaker 13 (01:00:19):
I would like millions of other people. I was just
tuned in to to see the press conference and see
what had gone on during the meeting. The meeting lasted
about three hours, they said, and it was a press
conference that everybody that that spoke about it kind of

(01:00:40):
kind of describe it. Maybe the best way I can
describe it is is the press conference that wasn't. Vladimir
Putin spoke first, and he kind of rambled on about
the history of the relationship between Russia and the United
States and didn't really himself get in to any of

(01:01:00):
the details that went on. And when President Trump spoke,
he really didn't either. He said, they both they both
said that it was a productive meeting.

Speaker 7 (01:01:11):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (01:01:12):
President Trump said that that, and I don't I don't
remember his exact words, but something something to the effect
that that that they they were productive and that that
they had there was there was some some movement that
things had progressed. But my sense just watching the press
conference was that maybe things had progressed, but not to

(01:01:34):
the point that he wanted them to.

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (01:01:38):
It sounds like that that they are planning on having
another meeting, UH, possibly with UH President Zelenski of Ukraine
and UH and In fact, at the very end of
the press conference, I don't know if you saw it
or not, but Putin suggested that the next meeting should
be in Moscow, which kind of I think took Trump

(01:02:00):
little bit off guard because he was kind of like, oh, yeah,
you know, He's like, oh, I might catch some heat
for that, but yeah, well, we'll see what we can
do kind of thing, and you know, kind of kind
of left it open. But and then they both left,
and so there was really no no details given out
about what exactly went on in the whole three hours.

(01:02:21):
So but that was kind of my impression maybe that that, yes,
that there had been some movement, enough movement for to
set up a second meeting between Trump and Putin and
with Zelensky, but not the amount of movement that maybe
Trump would have liked.

Speaker 6 (01:02:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Well, I think you're probably spot on with that analysis,
because that was kind of the feeling I got to.
I think it was a difficult situation to begin with.
It felt like the Russians kind of came out trying
to troll a little bit. I mean, if anybody's going
to show up wearing a USSR T shirt, who's supposed

(01:03:03):
to be a diplomat. I think that's almost on par
with how the Chinese meeting with the Biden administration kind
of went with when they visited Alaska, only they had
to be a little more subtle and humorous and how
they went about the But I know Trump was trying

(01:03:25):
to temper expectations early on, and it's always a good
idea to always try to temper down expectations because you
want to underpromise and over deliver. It's always a great
situation in how people are going to read it later.

(01:03:46):
But I'm just not certain at this point that Vladimir
Putin or any of the Russian government apparatus at this
point is really interested in slowing things down. I think
at this point they believe they've shifted to another gear,

(01:04:08):
that they have their military capabilities set. I think they
feel confident that China and India are going to continue
to buy their oils, so therefore they're going to continue
to have finances. North Korea and China still seem to
be okay with sending troops to help supplement I think
at this point he believes he's going to be winning

(01:04:30):
a war of attrition and slowly pull back at the
very least the regions of Ukraine that he would like
to have back, and I don't think he believes anyone's
going to take an active role in trying to push
them out. So with that in mind, maybe I'm oversimplifying.

(01:04:51):
Maybe I'm just seeing Vladimir's being that former KGB agent
who's believes that his legacy is going to be re
estate publishing the Great Russian Empire. But that's just the
vibe I'm getting at this point in time, based on
everything they're saying and doing on the international stage and
also what they seem to be communicating back in Mother Russia.

Speaker 10 (01:05:16):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:05:17):
Yeah, as much as as I know about Vladimir Putin
is yet, like you just said, he's he's an old
school KGB guy, and his ultimate goal is the reunification
of Russia, which includes Ukraine. And I'm quite sure that
Trump and his team know that, you know, when you

(01:05:41):
talk about them, you know, showing up with the CCC
T shirt and everything. I'm kind of thinking that that
the B two bombers flying overhead when Putin got off
the plane is a little bit better than a T shirt.
That was I was thinking, pardon my language, but that
was just straight up back as but uh, you know, yeah,

(01:06:03):
it's the Russians. I don't think I don't think that
they have as much leverage as maybe they think they do. Yeah,
they could be banking on the fact that India and
China are going to keep buying oil as opposed to
buying it from US. But by all accounts they're they're

(01:06:24):
the Russian economy as a whole is in the tank.
They've got double digit inflation, and and maybe not that
A lot, a lot could be done by the Russian
people short of a you know, civil war or a
coup or something really drastic to get rid of Putin.
So you know, he's he may be banking on all

(01:06:47):
of those, all those things to like I said, to
India and China continuing to buy oil, to buy oil,
not just to carry on carry on the fighting, and
but that's also going to uh bump up the economy
as well. But I don't you know how much. I
don't know that they could buy enough oil to do

(01:07:08):
all of those things. So you know it's I think
he's between a rock and a hard place a little
bit more than he thinks. But uh, and and you
know he's gonna be a lot like uh Shishi Ping.
He's he's gonna want to save face, and he's going
to want to portray to the war to the rest

(01:07:28):
of the world that he has a lot of different
options and a lot of cards to play. But I
don't think he really does. Russia, I don't think Russia
is not the Russia that it was during Ronald Reagan's presidency.
They they are, I don't think. And I could be
barking up the wrong tree and not know what I'm
talking about, but just from what what I do know

(01:07:50):
is that they they are not the quote unquote superpower
that they used to be. And but so so you know, yeah,
that's that's Vladimir Putin's goal is to return to that stature.
But you know, I think it's gonna it's gonna take
some doing on his hard to get there.

Speaker 8 (01:08:11):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Well, I do think you're right. Their economy is in
the shambles. I think the state of their economy and
the fact that they were legitimately in danger of not
being able to provide enough food for the Russian people
at the time they decided to make their move had
a lot to do with their determination to take Ukraine back.

(01:08:36):
I mean a lot of people. We've mentioned this, and
because we're news junkies when we have to talk about
it a lot, and you know, he was a journalist,
you have to keep this in the back of your
mind at all times. But sometimes the average American tends
to forget that. When you're talking about Ukraine, you're talking
about the bread basket.

Speaker 13 (01:08:54):
Of Europe exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Having that in your pocket and not have having to
have to go through the trouble of trade negotiations would
have went a long way towards helping to preserve Putin's
current position. I don't see the type of mass movement
by the Russian people to want to overthrow him, but
you let enough people in Moscow go hungry, then that

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sentiment changes in a hurry. So I think that was
part of the calculus too.

Speaker 13 (01:09:26):
In fact, I just heard someone speaking on Fox News earlier.
They were saying that there are people in Russia who
are stealing butter and things like that from grocery stores
and selling it.

Speaker 10 (01:09:37):
On the black market.

Speaker 13 (01:09:39):
So it's not a good situation for them. And like
you just said, if people get hungry enough, they're gonna
get desperate and things could change in a hurry for Putin.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Yeah, so, at any rate, hopefully this was a good
first step. I just I don't know that it's going
to be a situation where we're going to be able
to talk this down at this point. You know, most
of Western Europe don't seem to be particularly interested in negotiating.

(01:10:19):
They seem to want to fight for some reason. I've
heard some of the folks.

Speaker 13 (01:10:23):
That feeling too that they really don't care, you know that.
And again, somebody was just saying that that Putin's losing
one hundred thousand people a month from this conflict, and yeah,
I would agree what you just said that it doesn't
seem like the people that are in their own backyard
really don't seem to care.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Yeah, it is an astounding situation, and you would think
they would want more inclination. But of course that fuels
a lot of tinfoil hat conversation. So I find myself
having to reach over and grab my own and play
with some of these theories. But at the end of
the day, my foil hat has become a pretty sizable

(01:11:03):
helmet that I can barely live now. And I hate
speculating in something like this, And there's just a case
where this could easily trigger into something much bigger, And
we've kind of felt like on a couple occasions, especially
back when Joe Biden was at the Helm, we felt

(01:11:25):
like we were really really close to triggering something big.
Is there any concern on your part, based on what
you're seeing or any of the folks that you talk
with over at Red State, that there's a real possibility
that this could escalate outside of a regional conflict into

(01:11:45):
something a little more international concern.

Speaker 13 (01:11:51):
You know, I haven't seen you know, not you know,
among my coworkers, or I haven't seen anyone else really
pose that possibility. Now, you know, anything is possible, But uh,
you know, I just don't know. I'm maybe we'll get
I know that Sean Hannity is going to be interviewing

(01:12:14):
President Trump later on this evening, so we may get
a little more clue as to what actually took place here,
you know, in the in the behind the closed doors.
But no, I haven't really gotten that that sense from people,
And it could go back to what we were just saying,
is that it doesn't seem like the rest of Europe

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really is concerned about what's going on. If if the
Russians are losing one hundred thousand people a month. How
many is Ukraine losing? I mean, it's it's it's got
to stop somewhere.

Speaker 7 (01:12:48):
And you know, I.

Speaker 13 (01:12:52):
Think in the end, ultimately that that Vladimir Putin is
going to have to be He's going to have to
be pushed into such a corner that he's not going
to have any other option but to stop. What what
that would entail and how we get him there, I'm
not sure, but you know, I think it's because like he,

(01:13:13):
like we were just saying, he's so hell bent on
this reunification of Russia that it seems like he's willing
to do just about anything to make it happen. And
you know, I think if any if anyone, Donald Trump
is the guy to stop him. But you know, it
may take some time, so we'll we'll see. But yeah,

(01:13:33):
hopefully uh, Sean will get a few more clues out
of him tonight too, uh and we can see what
what may be what went on today.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Yeah, we'll definitely be able to tell based on how
irritated Donald is. Yes, he'll be very diplomatic if he
felt like they respected him just enough. But if we
feel completely disrespected. There's no telling what ub was the same.
But you know, I circle back to the question, because

(01:14:07):
you know, it felt like several times that Joe Biden
was going to bungle us into a nuclear exchange, Whereas
not too long ago, back just last week, if I'm
remembering correctly, donald Trump repositioned nuclear submarines, and to me,
that felt like an appropriate response, and it actually was

(01:14:28):
de escalating through de terrence, Whereas if Joe Biden had
done the same thing, I think I would have been
afraid that we are literally seconds away, And part of
me I rationalize it by saying, because I know that
Vladimir Putin is still Vladimir, but I know that he

(01:14:49):
respects Trump's unpredictability and his strength way more than he
respected anything from the Biden administration. But at the same time,
I questioned myself, is this just my personal bias playing
into it? So I guess, Becky, I'm asking you, is
this me being personally biased thinking and ately that Donald

(01:15:12):
Trump's better suited to handle this, or is there legitimately
just that much night and day difference between Joe Biden fumbling,
bumbling and trumbling and shaking hands with invisible people and
Donald Trump reminding everybody it's a beautiful world. It's a
beautiful day. Don't make me ruin yours.

Speaker 13 (01:15:35):
Oh, I think it's both. I think it's it's absolutely
the difference of night and day when you have president.
If you have a president and they're repositioning nuclear submarines,
whether or not that president is Joe Biden or Donald Trump,
sends two completely different messages. And I've said to several

(01:15:57):
people this week that you know, Vladimir Putin may be
a lot of things, but he's not stupid. And I
think he is well aware of who Donald Trump is,
that he's not messing around and and and I think,
like you just said, I think that he respects that

(01:16:18):
whereas you know, uh, Joe, Joe Biden wouldn't even didn't
even have a conversation with him his entire presidency. If
he did, it was over the phone, and you know,
somebody somebody was using the auto pen to write out
what he should say for him, you know. But yeah,
oh yeah, I said, I think it's a little of both.

(01:16:40):
When when when Joe Biden repositions submarines, Yeah, I think
it's uh, you're thinking, oh my god, what does he
think he's going to do now. But if Donald Trump
is doing it, that gets your attention, especially if you're
Vladimir Putin, if you're choosing ping, if you're Kim Jong un.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
You know, so it's it's go ahead.

Speaker 13 (01:17:04):
Oh no, I was just definitely just gonna say it
makes a big difference in who the president is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Right well, I mean, I definitely since this go around,
Vladimir seems to be willing to engage with some gamesmanship
with Donald Trump that he didn't do back in Trump
one point zero. And I don't know if that's partially
because he felt like he could manipulate Donald by virtue
of playing nice, or if he just legitimately feels like

(01:17:37):
he's running out of time to make this happen because
he's already in Ukraine and really can't afford to withdraw
without winning something. But regardless of that, I know we're
going to see this play out one way or the other.
We'll find the answers out together as this continues. But
I just I see this and I think that the

(01:17:59):
cow oculus changed. This is one of the few situations
that has not been better because we got to see
Joe Biden in between the two Trumps, because you know,
we got to see that snap back in both directions
here at home. For political reasons, that's been a phenomenal
thing for us. It's allowed us to wake up a

(01:18:21):
lot of people that had just been blindly voted blue
no matter who. And now this one case, this one
instance for Russia and Ukraine, I think maybe the one
case where having Biden in between the Donald Trump Sandwich
administrations is definitely a negative. But speaking of the Democrats,

(01:18:44):
before we take our mid hour break, I also wanted
to talk to you about all this stuff that's been
going around in relationship to the Democrats having ran away
from the state of Texas, because you know, we had
the State House Democrats and last its effort trying to
avoid quorum so that they couldn't redistrict, and this has

(01:19:07):
become such a ridiculous story, including Robert Francis O'Rourke. Why
does Guy to ever want to be called Beto?

Speaker 13 (01:19:19):
Isn't that cultural appropriation or something? Is that they're always
yelling about that?

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Well, see, that only happens if you're not one of them, Becky,
you know, as one of them, you can get away
with it. If you're a Democrat cultural appropriation is just
feeling the way being down with the struggle. But just
so much of the story has highlighted. Between this and

(01:19:47):
the DC takeover of the police federalizing them, it has
demonstrated how far out of touch with even their own
voting block the Democratic Party has become. We joked about
it before, but now it seems to be the case.
Donald Trump tomorrow could say I'm coming out against cancer.

(01:20:11):
We're doing a moonshot against cancer, and then I guarantee
you all the usual suspects would line up talking about
how great cancer is and how Donald Trump is a tyrant,
is trying to take cancer away from people.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
That.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Is the insaney. So is Beato going to go to jail?
Do you think?

Speaker 13 (01:20:36):
Based on what I certainly hope so, I, you know,
I like to think that that Greg Abbott and Ken
Paxton are surely they have to be be out of
patience with Beto and they're not going to play around
with him anymore. And if he broke the law, then yes,
put him in jail, you know, and he can yell

(01:20:57):
and scream and as his would be porters, whoever they are,
all twelve of them, can jump up and down and
yell and scream all they like. But yeah, yeah, toss
his button jail if he broke the law. And you know,
between between between this and and what's going on in Washington,
d C. I think it also it highlights just the

(01:21:21):
complete failures of the Democrat Party, you know, because all
these the Texas Democrats, whether they're gone for a week
or six months, ultimately these the redistricting map is going
to get passed and they're going to have to live
with it. And you know, like you just said, the
Democrats now have as far as as Washington d C. Goess,

(01:21:43):
they have said to the nation that they are in
favor of criminals, that they're in favor of crime, they're
in favor of people being afraid to go out of
their house at night after dark. So it's yeah, I mean,
it's just I've seen all sorts of people will interview
residents of Washington, d C. And they all say, this

(01:22:04):
is the best thing that's ever happened. Well, you know, yeah,
if Donald Trump said he had come out with a
cure for cancer, the Democrats would be upset and they
would say that he has put put healthcare workers out
of a job.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Yeah, there's no question about it. But you know, I
circle back around to old Robert Francis because you know,
there may be a legal argument to be made about
his organization and their fundraising as to whether or not
what they did while they were trying to help fund
these A Wall Democrats from Texas that may or may

(01:22:44):
not constitute legally being a bribe. I would like to
see them go for it. I'd like to see that happen.
But there's no doubt, there's no question at all that
Robert Transis O'Rourke in fact, did violate a court order
telling him that he could no longer fundraise for these Democrats,
because he did exactly that in this rather infamous speech

(01:23:08):
that had a lot of us looking at and talking
about Robert for the first time in a long time.
This game has no rules, there are no umpires.

Speaker 13 (01:23:21):
Well, and you know, if you think about it, he
kind of he kind of said the quiet part out loud.
He he kind of verified everything that we've thought about
what the Democrats are doing for years. He just pretty
much verified it that that there are no rules. They
don't care about the rules. They're going to break the rules,
and you know, they really don't care about anything but

(01:23:43):
regaining power and as much power as they can.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
I think that the really amazing parts of this story, though,
circles back around to the fact that even typically democratic
friendly media outlets have legitimately quite questioned the whole jerrymandering process.
Here facing the questions not directed at Texas, which, again,

(01:24:09):
under Texas state constitution and under their laws, they're not
doing anything outside of the norm, and there's nothing wrong
happening there. But then you see states like California, and
then you see people like Gavin Newsom and JB. Prinsker
and some of these other folks who literally have already

(01:24:30):
jerrymandered their states to the point that it's absurd to
think they could do too much more. I mean, you're
literally talking about in Prinsker's case, he's a governor of
a state that is forty percent Republican and they still
only have what about twelve percent representation both federal and statewide,

(01:24:55):
and you've got to count both to get them up
into double digits.

Speaker 8 (01:25:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:25:00):
Yeah, And when and when you've got Stephen Colbert holding
up the uh electoral map of your state and and
he's and he's questioning it that that should be uh,
that was and whistles should be going off with your
jab Pritzker, But apparently he doesn't care or doesn't see it, doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Care or both. Well, evidently he was ready, because I
do have to admit that the whole kindergarten commission thing
that was funny. I'll give them credit. That might have
been the funniest thing on Cobert's show in a decade. Becky,
you stay right where you're at, and uh, all you
listeners out there, stay where you're at. And we're gonna

(01:25:37):
go ahead and take the mid hour break, and then
when we come back, we will continue our conversation with
miss Becky Noble. Don't go anywhere, or you'll go.

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Speaker 10 (01:34:53):
Well.

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All right, did you have anything else you wanted to
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a new topic or were we pretty much existed?

Speaker 10 (01:36:09):
Well?

Speaker 13 (01:36:10):
Well, first, I'd be remiss if I don't give a
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truly an amazing talented group of people. But no, you know,
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he'll be able to do it. Well, we'll, I guess
we'll just see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
All right. Well, there's a a lot of culture war
issues going on right now, and some of it feels
like definite wins. Some of it feels like losses. You know,
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(01:37:19):
I want to paint a picture though, before we start
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version of fake outrage about an American eagle outfitter's gene commercial.
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memes as a result. But you know, we we've seen that.
We we've seen personalities show up at various town hall
events and make a scene. I don't know if you've
seen that particular one or not, but I think one

(01:38:01):
of my favorite personalities over at the Blaze is Sarah Gonzalez,
and she went to a jasmine Crocket the town Hall.

Speaker 13 (01:38:14):
Yeah, and I saw that that morning.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
I've kind of got fifty to fifty mixed feelings about
it because I know Sarah is smart enough to know
what she's doing when she says whatever she does. She
started out by saying that the people of her district
deserve better than a fake pod rat. Now she on

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her show has often referred to her as exactly that.
And it stems from the fact that, and I think
we may have discussed this before. I know I've discussed
it with other folks, the fact that Jasmine Crockett is
not a native Texan and that she's not particularly street.
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but she starts out with the conversation that way though,
And I think you know what's going to happen when
you start calling somebody a hood rat. Considering the nature
of the meeting, she was infiltrating, right, right. But I
do think that she was completely legitimate and spot on

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when she says, do the people of your Do your
people know that you're a spoiled, rich kid from Missouri?
And I think that is something that is lost on
the folks there. They don't get it. In a lot
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(01:39:45):
what they pretend to be right, and that's part of
why I think they're losing in the culture war. But
as we were going around and giving each other high
fives and what have you, you in the NFL decides
to do something that I find to be rather disturbing.

(01:40:07):
And i know you wrote about it, but I've been
I've been watching some of the videos and the for
the teams that are allowing this, and I'm not sure
I can even say it, Becky. So I'm just gonna
let you tell the story.

Speaker 13 (01:40:20):
Well, you know, between Colin Kaepernick kneeling and George Floyd
and all of that, Uh, the NFL went really really woke.
Now I'll say off the top that I'm I'm not
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Saint Louis here, we don't really have a good history
with the NFL. And I'll just leave it at that.
We're We're a baseball in a hockey town. But the
NFL after those two incidents, the NFL went really woke.
And I know anybody that that watches football with any
regularity knows that way better than I do. And so

(01:41:04):
apparently in in the aftermath, uh well, in the aftermath
of both of those things of Colin Kaepernick kneeling and
and the death of George Floyd, that the NFL decided
that that their fans needed to be lectured and so
they were putting all of these messages like in the
end zone on the field at all the stadiums that

(01:41:26):
would say end racism and embrace love and you know,
we could you know, we're all in this together, and
and all of these platitudes, you know, and that because
they felt like that apparently that that NFL fans needed
to be lectured to. Well, since we've seen the whole
Sydney Sweeney Jeans ad thing, I don't know if you

(01:41:48):
you've seen it. It was it was on X It
was a Nike ad that featured uh Scotti Scheffler who's
a pro golfer and he's on the golf course and
he has his I guess about his year old baby
son who's kind of holding holding onto a golf club
with along with him on on the on the field
on the golf course. There and the caption to the

(01:42:10):
ad is You've already won. And it's just a really
cute picture of him and his son. They're on the
golf course, and you know, it was kind of promoting, hey,
here's a guy. You know, he's a world class golfer
and that's what he does for a living. But you know, here, here,
here he is with his little boy, with with his
son right there on the golf course. And and you

(01:42:32):
know it looks like that that you know, his son
is you know, what what are you doing there?

Speaker 8 (01:42:37):
Dad?

Speaker 16 (01:42:38):
You know?

Speaker 13 (01:42:38):
And and so it's just a really cute ad. And
of course the left went crazy over all of these things.
And but now as we're getting to the start of
the NFL season, uh, the NFL has decided, apparently that
their fans still need to be lectured to, and so
they're they're going to continue with all of these ridiculous

(01:43:01):
statements there that they're going to uh stencil into the
end zone. Uh So one of them I think was
UH end racism. Another one was choose love, uh Inspire change.
All it said all of these you know, platitudes that
that that the left loves to do, you know, and

(01:43:22):
you know, I could I could go into a whole
nother time, down a whole nother rabbit hole about how
the left loves to mess around with words and language
and stuff. But you know, all of those other than
than end racism, which is a pretty cut and dried message,
choose love and inspire change. I mean, they're there's they're
so broad, and they're so general, and it could it

(01:43:44):
could mean just about anything, you know, But apparently NFL
fans are still a bunch of Neanderthals, how many years
after George Floyd, and they need to be told that
somehow they should not be racist, and that they should
love other people and they should try to do nice
things for other people are whatever it is, the messages

(01:44:07):
that they are trying to send. And a woman who
I'm trying to remember now her title. She is the
senior vice president for Social Responsibility for the NFL. So
I asked in my piece today, why is that a job?

(01:44:28):
Why is something with the title social responsibility a job?
It is not the NFL's job to determine how or
about what their fans feel any sort of social responsibility for.
And I also said that, you know, if one of

(01:44:50):
the other things that she said was that the players
would have the option of also putting these different slogans
and messages on their helmets. Well, okay, you know, if
you're an NFL player, you have and you want you
want to embrace causes and issues and things like that
that you care about. That's great, go for it. Because

(01:45:12):
you're a professional athlete. Therefore you have the platform in
which to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
And that's fine.

Speaker 13 (01:45:17):
God bless America. You do that, but you do it
on your own time. How many of us, in our
everyday job are allowed to jump on top of our
soapback soapbox about the causes and the things that we
care about in the middle of our worktime. Most most
people aren't allowed to do that. So why should NFL
players be allowed to do that? They're at work, when

(01:45:37):
they're playing the game, they're at work. But you know,
apparently the NFL has not gotten the They haven't they
haven't read the room, and they haven't gotten the message
that at least it looks like on the surface that
Americans are pretty much fed up and done with cancel

(01:45:58):
culture and will and all the rest of that garbage.
So you know, we'll see what happens if they're you know,
if their viewership goes down, if people decide not to
go to the games. I could not find an exact
number of just exactly what dollar amount between the whole

(01:46:19):
Colin Kaepernick thing and after George Floyd. I couldn't find
any sort of dollar amounts on just exactly how much
revenue they lost. But whether it's you know, people are
not going to come to the games, to the stadium
and spend one hundred dollars or whatever it is on
a ticket and then buy beer and nachos, or whether

(01:46:40):
or not they're just sitting at home watching watching the
game on TV. That also translates into fewer dollars dollars
if fewer people are turning on the TV and watching
the game. So, you know, we'll see what happens. We'll
see what kind of response fans have to this. But
the comments, I looked at the comments briefly on this

(01:47:02):
piece that I wrote today, and there are a lot
a lot of people that were like, you know what,
I'm done, I'm done with professional sports all together. They
were there were most of them were done with football,
and there was there was quite a few who said
they were pretty much done with with professional sports. For
that reason, they just they want to turn on the
They want to turn on the TV and watch the game.

(01:47:23):
They don't want to be lectured to. They don't want
to be told that they're racist or or whatever it
is that that this particular message is on the field. So,
you know, it'd be interesting to see what happens if,
you know, maybe the NFL has to lose a few
more millions or billions of dollars, you know, before they
finally read the room and get the message.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
Well, I think they've found a way to outdo themselves, though, Becky,
because there's one thing that while you were focused on
this aspect of the story, I think it kind of
been going under the radar. I don't know how many
folks who are aware of this yet, but several teams,
I think it's about twelve of them, actually have decided

(01:48:08):
that they're not just going to put these woke messages
on the field in the end zones and possibly on
the uniforms, but they've also decided that they're going to
have male cheer male cheerleaders in these squads. And it's
not like the male cheerleaders that we see in high
school and college where you get these big, strong guys

(01:48:31):
who have to be the base of pyramids that are
holding up three hundred pounds right They're they're all doing
the same dance moves, all doing the same crazy crap
that has basically become an exaggeration of what cheerleading ought
to be anyway, begging as a neandrothal football fad. I've

(01:48:55):
never been opposed to there being some eye candia on
the sidelines, per se, sure, but the problem here comes
with that should always be an afterthought and off the side,
and this again is just another thumb in the eye
to the traditional football fan. I don't know how much

(01:49:15):
further they're going to be able to push this, But
my my real question is going to be let's let's
see how much of this ends up on television. I'm
thinking it's probably not going to be in hurry. You're
going to have somebody try to push the notion. But
when when you look at some of these teams, I'm
a little surprised. Like the Minnesota Vikings, Okay, I kind

(01:49:37):
of expect that Baltimore Ravens, I wouldn't have thought they
would be doing it. Uh, the New Orleans Saints in particular,
that kind of surprised me. Why are the Staints doing this?

Speaker 13 (01:49:48):
Yeah, that was a little surprising. The only one, The
only team I saw was was Minnesota. But yeah, I
wasn't I wasn't aware that there was other teams that
were doing it as well.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
But yeah, yeah, like I said, there's like twelve of them,
Carolina Panthers, Tampa Bay, Kansas City. Unfortunately, that team hanging
out not too far from where you're at, right, you know,
And it doesn't surprise me to see San Francisco, like

(01:50:18):
New Orleans, Philadelphia.

Speaker 8 (01:50:21):
Do it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
In Dallas, Dallas is not one of the teams, but
you know, I'm a little embarrassed at Tennessee Titans are
on the list right. I just I don't understand why
you want to take this step again. I'm if you're
going to do this on the sidelines, and you're going
to do it like what we're accustomed to seeing at

(01:50:43):
the collegiate level, where they're doing things that require masculine
type activity. Okay, but you're essentially cosplaying on the sidelines,
and that, I think is that messaging elevated to the
next level. And I think that that is going to
hurt them more than they realize.

Speaker 13 (01:51:05):
I think so too.

Speaker 5 (01:51:05):
I would agree.

Speaker 13 (01:51:06):
I would agree because, like you said, you know, it's
it's kind of along the same principle as the Sydney
Sweeney genes ad. You know, whether we all like it
or not, sex sells. And when people turn on the
TV and they see cheerleaders, that's gonna make them sit
down and watch the game, if if they hadn't if

(01:51:27):
they had not planned on doing it already. So yeah,
I don't know that that guys who have turned on
the TV A to watch the football game and B
to watch cheerleaders don't want to see big, burly guys
being cheerleaders unless it's like in the capacity of tossing
the girls up in the air and like, like you

(01:51:47):
just said, something that requires a little bit of masculinity.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Well, uh, you know, I'm wondering, Becky, what was your
thought on the Sydney Sweeney Ads. Didn't ask you that directly.
What was your initial impression before you heard any of
the feedback or or did you get a chance to
see it before you heard the controversy?

Speaker 10 (01:52:10):
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 13 (01:52:11):
I I kind of just see it, saw it and
heard people talking about it at the same time. But
you know, like I just said, uh, sex sells, and
a pretty girl wearing blue jeans is going to sell.
I can see where their previous ads. I saw a
few of their previous ads, and I could see where

(01:52:33):
that would that wouldn't be a selling point. I mean
I don't overall, I mean, I know, I don't have
a problem with it. And and I think as long
as they have as long as they're selling selling genes
maybe and and I maybe maybe saying this from a
from a bias standpoint, but if you are not, uh,

(01:52:58):
if you're not closing out portion of the market that
maybe doesn't wear size five or six blue jeans like
Sydney Sweeney, that maybe you are providing some if you
are selling, if you're selling blue jeans for for other
people who don't look like Sydney Sweeney, then that's fine.
You don't have to advertise that. But so yeah, I mean, overall, no,

(01:53:20):
I didn't have a problem with it, because, like I said,
anybody that knows anything about advertising and marketing, that's that's
marketing one O one sex cells and you have if
you have, if you have a hot girl wearing blue jeans,
that's that's gonna sell. So you know, I mean you
can see where they're coming from and versus their previous ads.
Somebody did the math and said, Okay, maybe we need

(01:53:41):
to go with Sidney Sweeney. So but yeah, I mean overall,
I mean it's not it's not a big deal. You know,
it's there's there's a lot, there's a lot worse things.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
Well, you know, when it comes right down to it,
I'm pretty sure as far as recent occasions that I
have seen Sydney Sween, this is probably the most clothing
items I've seen her have on at any particular time.
So this whole sexualization thing is like, yeah, it was
a little quasi seductive in how she was giving her speech,

(01:54:15):
I think, and they tried to do certain angles, but
ultimately there was probably a less uh in my mind
less potticization of Sydney in this ad than in a
whole lot of things we've seen her doing otherwise.

Speaker 13 (01:54:33):
Right right, Well, you know I heard somebody, Oh I
heard somebody I think it was Klay Travis uh suggests
that maybe maybe bud Light should hire her because there
they're sales that have never really quite bounced back to
what they were pre Dylan mulvaney. So so maybe he's
got a point there. Maybe he's got a good idea.

(01:54:54):
Maybe the bud Light people need to hire her on
have her in the wear an American Eagle jeans and
holding the can of beer.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Well, at this point, I don't think anything could hurt
bud Light anymore, right, thank you? You're right. You know,
I'm looking over at the clockbacking. We are already almost
out of time, and I had really wanted to talk
to you about a couple of other stories, and I
guess that just means we're going to have to continue
the conversation at some other point. But dang, time kind

(01:55:29):
of got away from us tonight. I guess we were
enjoying the conversation a little too much. Maybe, Yeah, all right,
we'll give you one more opportunity. Be sure to let
everybody know where they can find your work again, and
then your final thoughts for the evening.

Speaker 13 (01:55:45):
Backing well again. You can find me on Facebook, at
Packing Noble on X, at Backy Noble sixty five, at
RedState dot com, and at Gumshoe Politics dot substack dot
com And just as always, Tim, thanks so much for
giving me the opportunity to come on and talk to
you about all the stuff that's going on and talk

(01:56:07):
about what not just myself but my colleagues at RedState
dot com are covering and writing about and just thanks
so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
You're always a very welcome guest, as is Randy as well.
Thank you for coming on. I appreciate it. You know,
I got to say, folks, if you haven't been following
red State, you are missing out. Been reading Red State
before Becky started working over there, and it's only gotten
better since then. And the meanwhile, guys, do not sell

(01:56:40):
yourself short. And that's exactly what you're doing if you
are letting yourself miss out on Becky Noble's work. And
the meanwhile, we're gonna have to kind of wind things up.
Dang it, it's time to get on into the rest
of this weekend. But whatever you do, don't take my
word for anything you've heard me say, But please don't
take the other guy's word for it. Be prepared to

(01:57:01):
put in some effort to do your own research, and
most importantly, use your brain if you really want to
tap into the truth.

Speaker 12 (01:57:10):
Even that's awful, Your baby gone was a world of

(01:57:40):
fun when you were just a little squirt.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
Do learn the roles of the pensive tool, so that
no one want to get hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:57:54):
You learn to breathe and you're out to squeeze, so
your able is always true. You make the right of
passage man with your first reel twenty two. Now the
New World Order through Well, they're making their demands. They

(01:58:16):
don't feel safe, and you are wrong, you say country
shows using both hands. Father's knew the second amend that
was the final one to keep.

Speaker 2 (01:58:35):
So other light Sam tis so we never because sheep.

Speaker 10 (01:58:44):
She's stolid and there not be a Paul pot and
told us.

Speaker 3 (01:58:48):
Things that you never forgot.

Speaker 4 (01:58:50):
The teacher less to.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
Your daughters, sus to fear the government. The fears becomes.

Speaker 9 (01:59:00):
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the mass.

Speaker 4 (01:59:06):
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God control.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
He's using both fants.

Speaker 5 (01:59:19):
Like a third free.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
Don't wait to the time in two to free.

Speaker 12 (01:59:25):
Use me more than a thousand nats protect my battle.

Speaker 1 (01:59:28):
Thing Now the New World Order?

Speaker 13 (01:59:48):
True well, they're making Mathew lands.

Speaker 4 (01:59:53):
They can pass one hundred bulls, but we.

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
Still don't give it down on least they nobut you list.

Speaker 3 (02:00:01):
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Speaker 2 (02:00:05):
They have no chance and release him.

Speaker 8 (02:00:08):
Don't control.

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
It's using both hands.

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