Public Schools in America, Vaccines: Mythology, Ideology, and Reality, & Francis Scott Key's Birthday

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Speaker 8 (07:57):
Hey there, this is Sam Sorbo from parents demanding, just
as the Lion and the samsoreboat dot com. And you're
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And the whole world is on you kids, I.

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Cut off wo a mambries.

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To make you few my.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
All right, we uh snugg thattliner in there. We are,
of course, talking to the author of their Your Kids,
My Journey from Self Doubter to homeschool Advocate and her
more recent book, Parents' Guide to Homeschooling Making Education Easy
and Fun. Heard her plug the website. We'll do that

(08:53):
again a little later. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome back
the the individual who is not just a passionate homeschooling advocate,
but also the matriarch of one of the most creative
and productive and active families right now in conservative and
Christian media. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome miss samsorbo Sam.

(09:17):
Thank you so much for coming back on with us tonight.

Speaker 8 (09:19):
How are you today, Well, my goodness, I'm fabulous. Thank
you so much for such a lovely, heartwarming introduction. I
even like myself now.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Well, then I have accomplished the first part of the goal.
Let's see if we can keep it going sam again.
You know, we talk a lot about homeschooling and the
importance of protecting your children from some of the bad
influences that public schools put in place, and a lot

(09:50):
of people get the misconception we're talking about other kids.
We're actually talking about terrible, bad leftist ideologies, anti Christian ideologies,
these notions that there's something wrong with your parents, don't
trust your parents, believe us, all these negative things in
a world like this, the biggest obstacle in convincing parents

(10:12):
to take on the responsibility and role of homeschooling remains what.

Speaker 8 (10:20):
That they just don't think that they're good enough. And
I would say that they don't think that because they
went to school, and our schools have rendered us incompetence.
Our schools have done an excellent job of making us
think that we are stupid and that we are incapable.
And basically the proof is because so many parents think

(10:41):
that they're not capable of educating a five or six
year old, a seven year old. I mean, the whole
thing is so ludicrous, because of course, teaching a small
child just regular everyday things should be the simplest thing
in the world. We should look at that and go,
oh my gosh, of course I could teach my child

(11:02):
to do simple math. I can do simple maths. I
can show them how to do that. And yet we've
been convinced that if we don't have a gold star
or didn't achieve an A or an A plus in
whatever that subject matter is, that we just don't know it.
And so they the education establishment, or i should say

(11:22):
the school establishment, has sort of podified learning into this
this institutionalized setting. But learning happens organically, and that's the
that's the thrust of my second book on homeschooling in particular,
which is called Parents' Guide to homeschool which just dropped
earlier this year, and it goes through sort of what

(11:44):
the schools look at as as educational, which is not education,
and what we ought to be seeing as educational, which
is the real stuff, the stuff that really matters, and
it's so much easier than people think. That's that's the biggest,
the big sort of struggle is that people have no
idea what home education is and they still think that

(12:05):
they can't do it. And that's so sad to me
because when you drill down with them and you say, okay,
you don't believe you can. But what is it that
you think you can't do? And they're like, well, I
don't really know because I don't know what it is.
And I'm like, why are you so keen to admit
your ineptitude for something that you can't even identify? That's

(12:27):
I mean, that's the starting point, is to recognize that
we are way too eager to conceive failure before we
even try. So, you know, that's why I wrote my book.
But I'll tell you we are facing a crisis right
now because of the terrible things that are happening in

(12:47):
our schools and the fact that we have parents who
are speaking out against it, but they are being targeted
by their school boards, by their local law enforcement agencies
at the behest of the school boards, and even by
our federal government under Merrick Garland and the DOJ when
he characterized parents who spoke at school board meetings as

(13:08):
violent domestic terrorists, and he classified them as violent even
though there was absolutely no record of there being any violence.
He enlisted the FBI with the knowledge that he was
trampling on people's First Amendment rights. We have the receipts now,
the emails going back and forth where he was warned
that he was infringing on people's right to freedom of speech,

(13:33):
and basically he was like, I don't care. And now
these parents are struggling. And that's why in the intro
that your producer had me record, I said, parents Demanding
Justice Alliance. This is a group of parents. We've assembled
a datier of well over fifty parents now and we're
getting more and more reports than every day of parents

(13:54):
who have been unfairly targeted. Their livelihoods have been threatened,
their jobs have been threatened, their husbanen's or wives jobs,
their spouses jobs have been threatened, their children have been
mistreated at the hands of the schools. These are terrible
things that are happening because the zealous feel like they're
in charge and we have to turn this around.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, yeah, we see this mindset, this mentality. Every time
we see any of the teachers' union leadership make a speech,
the quiet part is set out loud. They think the
kids are theirs. Now they've forgotten who they work for,
they've forgotten what their purpose is. And to your point
about parents being afraid of learning, I mean, it boggles

(14:40):
my mind that they never stop to think that during
those earlier formative years before the inter school, where is
all the learning, all the things that they learn to
do coming from if they don't think that's them doing
the teaching, and those are the harder lessons normally. But
I think the situation that you pointed out. Of course,

(15:00):
I've spent a lot of time on this show, and
I know you've been on countless other shows where they've
talked a lot about the same thing in regards to
how terrible and horrible and how much of an overstep
and overreaching the last regime has been towards parents that
are actually honest, of goodness, let me clutch my pearls

(15:21):
for a second, taking an interest in their own children's education.
We now see the Trump administration and Linda McMahon working
as the Secretary of Education with the not so secret
agenda of just trying to shut it down. So as

(15:42):
we see this go together, I do have a few
concerns and I'd like to discuss those first, but before
we I mean discuss those in a second, but before
we go into that, before there was a Department of Education,
schools were running perfectly fine, even public schools, but operated
through states and local levels. But even before that, before

(16:02):
there were organized schools, this nation seemed to have been
a leader in both innovation and in economics. Thought there
was so many positive things. So that brings me to
that question that I promised in the intro. Was America
maybe even better off before there were public schools?

Speaker 8 (16:25):
Well, I would say absolutely, because look, this nation was
founded by fifty six basically geniuses who devised a system,
a political system that created the greatest advancement in prosperity
for the world over based on the freedom model that
we adopted in these United States. None of those men

(16:47):
attended school. None of them went to school, and yet
they had that much knowledge because they were self taught.
And we need to get back to that. Because when
you take the chapels off the child and you stop
trying to tell the child, no, these are the things
that are important. It's ten am and it's time for math,
and you better put that book that you're really interested in.

(17:08):
Put that book away, because now we're doing math. You know,
when you stop doing that to the child, the child
wants to learn. The child will learn everything that you
put in its path if you would just get out
of the way. But instead we've adopted this school model.
We've institutionalized healthy children, we've mechanized the learning process and

(17:30):
taken the organic joy out of it, and it's all
been downhill basically since the schools began. Now I'm not
talking about the one room schoolhouse that has been very successful,
but that's a much more freedom minded opportunity for children,
and they are self taught. They are very much encouraged
to be self taught. In the one room school house model,

(17:53):
it was also run in a sense by the parents,
who paid the teacher directly, and so the parents still
maintain control of what was taught to the students, what
they wanted the students to learn, how much time the
students spent in the school, and it preserved the family.
Right now, we have the destination of the family at
the hands of our schools, and you see it more

(18:14):
and more with the targeting of parents. And by the way,
like let's recognize please that the best indicator for academic
performance for a student is the amount of parental involvement.
So when a school sets itself up to destroy the
parent the parent child relationship, to ostracize the parents, to

(18:35):
marginalize them and out them from the conversation. It is
actually seeking the destruction of that child's academic career, and
so we can't mince words about this. We need parents
back in the classroom. We need to laud the parents
who did stand in the breach, the parents who are
acting on behalf of their children. We need to emulate them.

(18:57):
Make those the heroes to emulate. Frankly, I think that
every school board should be comprised only of parents, well
of children in that particular school, because I don't know
why we have people who aren't actually invested in the
school making decisions for that school.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah. Unfortunately, a pattern that I've seen here locally is
just like the checking inpoint for people with political aspirations.
They run for the school board first to see if
they can win an election, and then they're on the
city council or county commission, depending on where they're at.

(19:35):
Of course, I'm in one of the more rural areas
in East Tennessee, so here a lot of that is
jumping to the county commission because there's a lot of
in district areas that are outside of city limits. But
this does bring me back around, and I think that's
an excellent point you made all the way around, not
that that's any at all surprising. This is typically what

(19:58):
you do.

Speaker 10 (19:59):
But my.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Question comes back. I was having a conversation with somebody
else on the previous show last week, and they were
trying to make the point that they would like for
the Department of Education to try to repair some of
the previous damage done before they completely eliminated as much
as they could, and then hopefully codify a final ending

(20:24):
for the department. And my feeling was that your concern
is actually just going to slow the bleeding, which means
that's going to prolong the misery for folks in certain
places here in Tennessee in particular. And it shames me
to say this, but for the longest time, Sam here,

(20:45):
if you were going to qualify to be able to
legally homeschool your children, you had to have credentials and
bonafides that were far beyond of what was required to
be a teacher in public schools. So they were definitely
trying to prevent you doing it. And there's still several
particularly trying not to make it too political, but I

(21:06):
don't think we can avoid it when on this particular issue,
there's a lot of blue states out there where they
are still working very hard to avoid it. The one
concern I have about the disappearance of the Department of
Education is if there have no influence other well, no
influence at all, because it won't be there. How far

(21:29):
to the left are these blue states going to go?
How much more difficult homeschooling is going to be able
to do, if not outright banned, If they're not concerned
about it and the harm that will be done to
the children, There is that a legitimate concern or is
that something that you think will work itself out even
quicker than I suspect it would take.

Speaker 8 (21:48):
Oh, I don't know if it's really a legitimate concern,
because the two things are completely separated from each other.
The federal government has no jurisdiction over the ability of
a family to homeschool in any particular state. Currently every state,
in every state, it is legal to homeschool. And by
the way, every state has school choice because you can

(22:10):
choose where to send your child. If the child applies
to an elite school and you can afford it, you
have the choice to send it there. But they've sold
us on this idea that we need better school choice
in other words, we need school choice that is funded
by the government, and unfortunately that might involve the federal government,

(22:31):
which is going to be a disaster, because let's face it,
all the involvement of the federal government has done in
our education system or our school system has been.

Speaker 9 (22:42):
To destroy it.

Speaker 8 (22:43):
It has only gone downhill since we've had the Department
of Education. So I don't see how getting more of
that is going to actually help. So, you know, to
answer your first question, the two are completely separated, and
Blue State's going to do what Blue State's going to do.
And parents ought to fight back and they ought to
be more vocal. Unfortunately under merrit Garlands they've been targeted

(23:09):
and silenced. And so now we have a bunch of
parents who they may be very upset, but they're probably
too afraid to speak up. I know of a few
cases that on the top of my head right now
of parents who wanted to speak up, but they saw
what happened to other parents in their district. And we
have a case just now in the past few days

(23:29):
where a young father stood up at a school board
meeting and criticized one of the people of the school
board who got very very political, and he said, you know,
there's no space for that here, and it was mean
and nasty and it should not have happened. And now
he's being targeted. They're going and leaving bogus reviews on

(23:51):
his business site to try to kill his business so
that he gets canceled, so that he can't support his family.
This is, unfortunately, this is the direct product the result
of our schools, which teach us that bullying is the
way of the world, that survival of the fittest is
the natural law, and there's no morality in our schools.

(24:15):
And so when you bring children up to think that
they are accidents of nature and it's eat or be eaten,
that's the world that they live in, and that's what
the schools are teaching them. You get the leftists that
we see today who are so angry and filled with
such vitriol and they go after people to shut them
down and destroy them for real. And we have to

(24:38):
put us off to that. We need Bible back in schools.
We need children to understand that there is a moral
code if it's only just do unto others, right, the
Golden rules. We ought to be teaching that to our
children in school, but we don't. And in fact, that's
where schooling first came about. The idea for schooling was,
let's teach children morality so that we have a morally

(25:03):
morally cognizant public, because our constitution is only intended for
a morally righteous populace, and anything less it will self distruct.
And that's what we're seeing in our culture today.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah. Absolutely, Again, another testament to the brilliance of those
individuals you referred to earlier, and so much that they
understood that any experiment with self regulation and self rural
self governance, it did require a moral code because you

(25:37):
have to be able to put the ideas and the
principles of the high enough setting that you don't instantly
revert to that human nature base ideology of what's good
for me no matter how it affects somebody else. And
that's kind of the inside mantra of the left. If

(25:57):
it feels good, do it. Unfortunately, that wins over a
lot of weak minded folks that have not been taught
a strong world code. So you're absolutely right across the
board again, Sam, I hate to you, by the way, if.

Speaker 8 (26:12):
Somebody else doesn't like it, destroy them, right, that's their mantra.
If they don't like it, destroy them and that's a
terrible by the way, that's just a terrible way to
live life. But can I just say, if anybody is
an injured parent and you would you would like us
to represent you and seek some restitution for you, which
is what we are doing. We're asking for an executive

(26:33):
order from President Trump, what I refer to as the
Parent in Chief. Go to samsorbo dot com and you
can find all the information for Parents Demanding Justice Alliance.
If you'd like to support our work, we are a
nonprofit and we can use the funds. This is a
heavy lift for us, but we're trying to get it
done for these parents because we should recognize that parents

(26:55):
are the most important element these days in the protection
of children, and so we need parents to be engaged
and involved and this is the way to do it.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
All right, Well, I appreciate everything you're doing, Sam, and
all the hard work you've put into it. And obviously
it's a model that works because all anybody has to
do is take a look at those kids of yours
that they are phenomenal productive members of society already. So
again I want to thank you for coming back on

(27:25):
with us one more time. Please share that website again
and be sure to let folks know where they can
find the books and any other website you want to
share as well. Plus as long as you're inviting people
to follow you on social media, any of the handles
and platforms that you might like to throw out as well.

Speaker 8 (27:46):
Of course, So with Twitter is the Sam Sorbo. I'm
also on Instagram, Sam Underscore Sorbo and elsewhere. But just
go to samsorbo dot com. All the information is there,
the links are there, you can see some videos, some testimonies,
stuff like that, and then the books are there also,
Parents Guide to homeschool They're your kids, which I'm told parents.

(28:11):
I go to homeschool conferences and stuff, and I get
people that walk up to me and say, this book
changed my life. I recommend it to everybody who is thinking,
even just considering homeschooling, and that just brings me so
much joy, because homeschooling is really the way to preserve
the family and preserve the children, and That's what I'm about.

(28:34):
So let's do it.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Absolutely absolutely, Sam again, I do appreciate you coming on,
and I hope we can continue the conversation at some
point down the road. In the meanwhile, god speed to
you have a great weekend, and like I said, hopefully
we can talk again soon.

Speaker 8 (28:52):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
All Right, ladies and gentlemen, that was miss Sam's orba,
and I do heavily encourage you. If you're listening to
the show in archives after the fact, there will be
links in the show description. Otherwise, guys, if you listen live,
just come find the archives. If you didn't catch it all,
well worthwhile to follow through. And I meanwhile, we're going

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to take a bit of a break here to reset
here in the mid hour, and we'll be right back
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all that being said, there's now time to welcome tonight's
second guest. This is happening less and less lately, and
I guess that's a good thing because it means we've
talked to more and more people. But this is a
first time guest, Ladies and gentlemen. He is a prolific author.

(39:23):
He has written a lot of true crime and then
recently he started working with doctor Peter McCullough and wrote
it's the primary author the Courage to Face COVID nineteen.
He's got a new follow up to that. It's called
Vaccine's Mythology, Ideology and Reality. Please welcome to the show,

(39:43):
mister John Leake. John, thank you so much for coming
on with us today. And before we get into anything,
how are.

Speaker 9 (39:48):
You well, I'm well. I couldn't help but hear your
talk of Chuck Norris's products. It's not really relevant to
the show, but when I was a kid, I like
to take dares, and I was with a group of
friends at an Italian restaurant in Dallas, Texas. We saw Chuck.

(40:13):
He couldn't have been more gentlemanly, sitting at a table
smoking his cigar. This is back when you could smoke
in a restaurant. And the dare was, will you John
challenge Chuck to a fight? And I just thought it
would be I mean, yeah, I was kind of a
jackass kid, so I thought, yeah, I'm gonna do it.

(40:33):
So his response was, kid, do you know how many
times a day I have to deal with people like
smart asses?

Speaker 8 (40:43):
Like?

Speaker 9 (40:43):
It was very funny anyway, such a cool guy. Yeah,
I'm a big fan.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, if you know him, any at all, And unfortunately
for me, I can't say that I know him well,
but I have had a chance to talk to him
a couple of times, and he really is He's such
a unique individual, and I'm glad to be able to
do a little something with one of the products that
he's affiliated with, because he is legitimately a national treasure

(41:13):
has been for some time. That's the way I feel
about him. So with all that having been said, though,
and it's great to hear your childhood stories like that,
I do want to get into the discussion about the
new book. Obviously, coming from that true crime background, I
being the conservative that I am, I thought initially that

(41:38):
your first work with doctor Peter McCullough is a it's
not even a transition. There was some true crime that
happened in the way COVID was dealt with in this country,
both in its initial storytelling and then and how certain
districts and regions tried to deal with it in the

(42:00):
name of public health. And with all that, but aside, though,
I'm kind of glad to see this go ahead.

Speaker 9 (42:08):
Fraud, that's that's that's what we're talking about here, massive,
massive fraud at a very organized criminal level.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
So my.

Speaker 9 (42:20):
Background and true crime true investigations, I've looked at organized
crime as well, and the COVID nineteen pandemic, starting with
the origin of the SARS Kobe two virus. The causative
agent is a story of massive fraud, massive deception, massive

(42:46):
abuse of the American people and and and all of humanity.
It's the greatest true crime story in the history of crime.
So that's not the only background I have that I
brought to bear for my work as a true crime author.
I spent a lot of time hanging around forensic pathologists,

(43:09):
forensic scientists. I'm examining the issue of cause of death.
You know, how do people die when we think of
it as foul play of violent death. But a lot
of forensic medicine is concerns itself with you know, just
what is the cause of death? Is a disease? Is

(43:32):
it an infectious disease? Is it a heart attack? You
know what kills people? And so straight off the bad
In March of twenty twenty, with my background, I strongly
perceived that what the federal health agencies were telling us
was not plausible. There are a lot of representations that
were being made that I didn't think were plausible, but

(43:55):
I knew I needed a medical authority, something like an
expert medical witness to a cysts. And as luck would
have had would have it, Peter McCullough was practically my
neighbor in Dallas, so I contacted him. I said, you know,
what in the devil is going on with the way

(44:15):
the government is presenting this pandemic, you know, And I
had seen some of his early work as a sort
of dissident academic doctor. So we got together and we
wrote our first book together, and then now we've paired
up again to write this second book. It's a critical
history and evaluation of vaccines, the entire vaccine enterprise going

(44:42):
back to the eighteenth century, and so we look at
how this whole public health technology has evolved over the years,
the fascinating characters, the key players who developed it, and
the whole overarching story from a smallpox outbreak in Boston

(45:03):
in seventeen twenty one, three hundred years later to the
COVID nineteen pandemic and the vaccine rollout for COVID nineteen
and twenty twenty one. And I think the readers will
find it just a fascinating adventure story. I mean, it's

(45:26):
the history of vaccines, the enterprise. It is a wild
and crazy ride. So I think we tell the story
in a very engaging way. It's not just dry medical literature.
It's a story, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I think one of the aspects of the history of
vaccines and vaccination comes from the fact that once upon
a time we were taught enough in public schools that
we kind of knew that those bigger names from history
we now know they were really just kind of making

(46:04):
some wild guesses and they gambled with people's lives, and
they became famous because they were successful. Not every instance
was quite as successful, And I think it's kind of
reintroducing something that a lot of us have forgotten and
that a lot of folks out there today have never
even been exposed to. And that's the fact that this

(46:27):
was far from a safe venture in the earliest days,
and it still poses risks today even when it is
as perfect of a condition as possible.

Speaker 9 (46:40):
Well, I think a chiat insight of the book is
this endeavor to immunize people or to inoculate people with
the idea was you take a weak form of infectious
disease causing matter the original and was taking limph and

(47:04):
pus from smallpox pustules and then you transfer that to
a healthy patient. The idea is, if you expose a
healthy patient to a small amount of disease causing matter,
they'll get mildly ill, but they'll get through it, and
then that will then protect them from severe illness. So

(47:27):
that was the idea of the original smallpox inoculation. Interestingly enough,
in the British colonies, the foremost advocate of smallpox inoculation
was the famous Boston Puritan minister Cotton Matter, who students
of history may know. He served as a kind of

(47:49):
consulting theologian about evidence in the Salem witch trials. He
was an undoubtedly fascinated and brilliant man. But the problem
with the whole enterprise of smallpox inoculation is nobody at

(48:10):
the time knew anything about smallpox. I mean, it was
just wild guess work. But it was a charming idea
an oculation. It seemed to sort of be logical, and
that was the first iteration. And then at the end
of the eighteenth century you had a British naturalist and

(48:33):
physician named Edward Jenner in Gloucestershire, England, and he had
heard the sort of wives tales of dairy maids. They
have a lot of dairy industry in Gloucestershire who they
would get little blisters on their hands. They seemed to
contract from cows utters. The kind of local country named

(48:57):
for the disease was cowpox, and the idea was these
dairy maids who got cowpox for milking cows. If smallpox
rolled through town, they didn't get smallpox. So that idea,
like I said, it was just kind of a something
of a wives tale. I mean, there was no scientific

(49:20):
evaluation of this or trials or anything like that. It
was just kind of an idea. Because Jenner was a
member of the Royal Society for paper he wrote about
the Cuckoo the bird, he had something of an imminent
reputation as a scientist. He set out to write papers

(49:42):
proving that cowpox inoculation will protect against the more severe smallpox.
So the word vaccine actually comes from the Latin word
for cow vodka, So it comes from the of the
Latin word for smallpox of the cow. And so you

(50:07):
see already it's just kind of charming ideas and sort
of guesswork and wives tales, but the idea really catches on,
and so we trace the lineage of this idea in
mankind's fascination with this idea over three hundred years. And

(50:28):
I think that there are vaccination successes, for sure, some
vaccines have had utility and reducing infectious disease morbidity case counts.
But one of the biggest myths is that vaccines are
the main driver of reducing infectious disease mortality in the

(50:50):
twentieth century. I mean, you can look at published Bible
statistics and see that by the time we get to
the era of modern mass vaccination in the year nineteen
forty eight, with the first vaccines placed on the schedule,

(51:10):
mortality from all infectious diseases with the exception of polio,
had already plummeted by ninety five percent before the era
of vast mass vaccination began. But our medical establishment wants
to give credit to vaccines. It's not true. It's sanitation,

(51:30):
clean water, improved nutrition, improved housing, pasteurization of MILT. I mean,
there's a myriad elevation of just the standards of living,
that is, were the real drivers of reducing infectious disease
mortality and that's very clear from the data. There's really

(51:53):
nothing controversial about that. It's just that it's never reported.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Is this due to the potential for monetary gain, do
you think, or is it just an effort to try
and say, Okay, here's something we can do to show
that we're taking care of you, rather than most of
this is still up to you to go keep your
place clean and that you eat more balanced diet or

(52:27):
maybe just a combination of the two.

Speaker 9 (52:30):
Well, to be clear, I mean like people in the
ninth in the eighteenth and nineteenth century, the urban poor,
a lot of them were just grossly undernourished. So I
mean it's it's it's not just a matter of you know,
selecting a wholesome diet. I mean people we were you know,

(52:50):
had vitamin D, vitamin C deficiencies. I mean, they didn't
get enough calories. So once the body becomes well nerved
and sleeping quarters in the winter that are reasonably warm
and not breathing coal smoke, not drinking sewer water. I mean,

(53:11):
remember we didn't even have proper sewers in major European
and American cities, so the London sewer wasn't completed until
eighteen eighty five, So people were just constantly drinking water
contaminated with sewage. Once you clean all of that up,
once you start properly nourishing people, housing them in proper

(53:34):
housing with relative warmth in the winter, then the body
becomes quite robust. Also, just medicine improved, you know, antibiotics penicillin,
erythromyce and were introduced in the forties and the fifties.
These these bacterial infections like protests and diphthery or treatable

(53:57):
with antibiotics. Well standards of living between nineteen forty eight,
when the vaccine schedule is introduced in eighteen forty eight,
I mean, it's a universe of living standard improvement in
that century.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Yeah, I didn't mean to oversimplify it as much as
I did when I said that, But yeah, it still
seems like in the modern age, more medical professionals, and
to their credit, there are several to do that. It
does seem like more should be willing to step forward
and say, Okay, this, this and this have way more
to do with it than the fact that we have

(54:42):
this schedule of inoculations we want you to take.

Speaker 9 (54:47):
Well, I mean to you know, to give the devil
is due things like measles, moms, reubella. I mean, every
child in America got measles and rebella now and with
the advent of these vaccines, the case count is dramatically plummeted.

(55:08):
But what's complicated about this is that the slide of
hand trick is saying, well, you know, it was more
than just being sick for a week with measles and
having a red rash. You know, some kids would get
really sick with it, but most kids just got right
through it. The slide of hand trick is this implication

(55:32):
or suggestion that measles was this voracious killer of children
in the twentieth century before the vaccine was introduced, and
that's just not true. I mean, you can look at,
for example, measles death in the decade between nineteen fifty
two and nineteen sixty two, the year before the measles

(55:52):
vaccine was introduced, and the case fatality rate was way,
way less than one in a thousand. I think during
those years that decade prior to the introduction of the
measles vaccine, on average, about four hundred children out of
the nation. It's one hundred and sixty million. You know,

(56:15):
we're dying and their deaths were attributed to measles, but
a lot of these children had other comorbidities and we're
not in good condition. So I mean that's just one example.
Today you would think, oh, you know, all of our
children would die of measles were it not for the vaccine.
But that's just not true. So we examine all of

(56:41):
these things.

Speaker 17 (56:43):
This is.

Speaker 9 (56:45):
People might say, well, a lot of this is just academic.
I mean, what is the downside of the modern childhood schedule?
And the downside that we're most concerned about is this
dramatic spike of autism. I mean, this is this is
what we're really concerned about. This is where it's no

(57:06):
longer just an academic thing or examining the pros and
cons I mean, this is a national emergency. The prevalence
and incidence of autism is now being estimated by the
CDC to be one and thirty one children. I mean,

(57:29):
what on earth? I mean this is when I was
a child growing up, no one had even heard of autism.
I mean the estimate it was about two out of
ten thousand, So what on earth is causing this alarming
spike in autism and your typical medical professional will say, well,

(57:51):
you know, we don't know the cause of autism. We
we just know that it's got nothing to do with
the vaccine schedule. Well, that is an obvious fallacy. Like
you can say you have no idea what's causing it,
and then at the same time say, well, but we
know it's not all of these injections that children are receiving.

(58:14):
That that is not a plausible statement. So in the
final analysis, with our book, we're very supportive of AHHS
Secretary Robert Kennedy's mission to really get to the bottom
of autism.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Well, John, I hate you. I've glanced over here at
the clock and I see we're almost out of time.
I appreciate what you're doing. The work here is important
because the number one thing if you're going to push
back and get to the bottom of things is you
need two things. The ability to think critically, and you
need information facts that are just presented as being facts

(58:54):
with no agenda, and that looks like what you're doing here.
Real quick, before we say our final goodbyes, please let
everybody know where they can find the book, and feel
free to share your website to any of you. Invite
people to follow you on social media. You're welcome to
share handles and platforms as well.

Speaker 9 (59:11):
Well. Thank you, sir. Please go. The easiest way to
do this will be on your doorstep in a day.
We don't have to contend with bookstore managers who won't
stock it. It's on Amazon.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
It's readily available.

Speaker 9 (59:26):
Go to Amazon dot com Vaccine. The title is Vaccines Mythology,
Ideology and Reality. I'm confident that your audience will find
this a very gripping and fascinating book. We've worked on it.
We've been researching it for four years, and we've made
a real effort to make it readable. So Amazon dot

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com and then doctor mccollin and I have a daily newsletter.
It's called The Focal Points Thefocalpoints dot com, where we
have daily columns about this and other matters affecting our world.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
All right, well, John, thank you so much again for
coming on with us. I appreciate it, and hopefully at
some point down the road we can continue the conversation
because there's still a lot of stuff here that I
think the average person really does need to know that
maybe don't. In the meanwhile, God speak to you, and
good luck and have a great weekend.

Speaker 9 (01:00:24):
Yes, sir, thank you thanks for having me on your show.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
This is an honor, ladies and gentlemen. That was mister
John Leek. And for those of you that listen in archives,
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Dad, Thank you so much for having us back and
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Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Well, I thought we would start off tonight doing something
a little different than the norm, because usually we're jumping
into hot topics of the day, or we're dealing with
tragedies and disasters, and we do occasionally just focus on
some of your writing, which those have always been the

(01:07:35):
most fun episodes for me, because you know, when we
have those conversations, we don't have to dwell on any
of the negative stuff going around. But today it just
so happens to be Francis Scott Key's birthday, and I
know you yourself had been talking a lot about Francis
Scott Key using this as an excuse to do it

(01:07:55):
and a discussion about our national anthems. So I thought
we would start right there this evening, and if we
can keep it positive for the whole hour, that would
be fantastic considering everything going on in the world today.

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
Well, I appreciate you allowing us to do that because
and it's so appropriate because the first NFL football game
was last night, and during this fall and winter, a
lot of people will be at football games, high school,
college or pro. They'll stand up for the national anthem.
They could do it basketball games or other events, and

(01:08:31):
most know the song, some know the author, but very
few know the story. And National Anthem has received some
real negative press in the last few years that I
believe is undeserved. And so I included a profile in
my latest volume, Americans Who Made America nineteenth Century Growth,

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Division and Reunification, describing Francis Scott Key, because he's the
person people think he was, and the situation that brought
the song about is different. And when somebody understands those things,
I think they will look at the flag in a
different light. They will look at the song in a

(01:09:14):
different light. And hopefully, since schools are not doing it,
they'll tell their children and grandchildren so that they will
develop their patriotic love for this country as well. And
Francis Scott Key was an attorney in Baltimore in eighteen fourteen,
and he was against the War of eighteen twelve. I'm

(01:09:36):
going to set this up on stopping and let you interject.
He was against the War of eighteen twelve. In August
twenty fourth, the British invaded Washington, d c. Burned the Capitol,
burned the White House. They were so close to a
victory in the war, and Key went out to a

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British prison ship in Baltimore Harbor. They were getting ready
to invade Baltimore and Fort McHenry to release a friend
of his who was imprisoned, and they let his friend,
mister Bean out, but they said Key and his companions
would have to stay until the fight was over because
they might be able to share intelligence with the Americans.

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And so he was out in Baltimore Harbor on a
British ship and the British said, if the flag comes down,
the war's over, and we went And so that was
what the stage was set before the event happened. And
the story gets better and better and better.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Yeah, I do appreciate the fact that there are a
lot of people who now they're not even taught the
name Francis Scott Key, and they certainly don't know the
story behind it. And it's still mind boggling now because

(01:11:02):
this was an integral part of early education when I
was still going to school, and I'm pretty sure that
was the case while you were there too, And this
is part of what we're fighting for when it comes
to restoration of education and trying to get it back
into local hands and getting teachers' unions out of the way,

(01:11:26):
and here I go being political, even though I said
I wasn't going to. But getting back to the main
void here is that it is vitally important to have
these simple facts and they are facts. This isn't my truth,
this isn't your truth, This is just the truth and
subjective facts. Seems so hard to go but the fact

(01:11:48):
that this does play out like a narrative, like a story,
it's a drama. You could probably put this on Netflix. Well, unfortunately,
if you're going to Netflix, you probably would have to
do a few race and a few gender swaps to
get them to approve it. But you still you could

(01:12:08):
tell this very compelling story and it would be a
huge hit as long as they didn't know what the
story was. That you're actually talent. And I think that's
a sad aspect because they just don't know what this
story is truly about. So I'm gonna let you continue
from this point because I just think it's important that

(01:12:31):
people know that you know, this isn't so so far fatchiate.
It's not as if we can't tell these stories in
interesting ways to keep their attention and then kind of
surprise folks at the end. It's like and yes, this
is a great American story.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
Well yes, and remember Francis Scott Key was against the war.
He was not a warmonger as people would make you
think about the song today. So he's on the ship. Thirteenth,
eighteen fourteen, the British start bombardment on Fort McHenry. The
bombardment lasted twenty five hours into the morning of September fourteenth.

(01:13:15):
Remember that twenty five hour bombardment. The British had several ships,
five thousand soldiers and sailors. The Americans had one thousand
troops at the fort. Again, Key has been told if
the flag comes down, the war's over in Britain winds,
which means we lose our independence and our freedom and

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were once again subjects to the British monarchy. So they
go through the night, all of the noise, the sounds,
the smells, the visuals, the flag that was at the fort.
They had two flags at Fort McHenry. The larger ones
was called a garrison flag. It's thirty by forty two feet.

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At the time, it was the largest flag ever made.
They had a storm flag. It was a little smaller,
and it's in question which one was up that night.
But The garrison flag is at the Smithsonian Institute in Washington,
where you can see what's left of it from that
action in things that happened afterwards. And so we get

(01:14:19):
into the morning hours after this twenty five hour bombardment
and Francis Scott Key and his compatriots get up and
they go to the rail of the ship and they're
pretty far back from the fort and they are straining
looking for this thirty by forty two foot flag through
the fog in the morning, the early light, the smoke

(01:14:40):
from the cannon fire, all these different things. They're having
to strain their eyes to see what they see. If
there's no flag, the country's over. If the flag's there,
it means we still have America. And thank god he
woke up and saw the American flag there, and he
was so overwhelmed with emotion that before he left the

(01:15:04):
ship that day, because the British were ready to withdraw,
they gave up basically on that attack. Before he left
the ship he started writing down the words for the
star spangled banner, and when he got off the ship,
within two days he had completed the words and paired
it with a very popular melody from that day and

(01:15:26):
what's amazing is you didn't have any type of social
media or anything else to publicize anything. But it's amazing
how the grassroots effort took that song and lifted it
up because of people's gratitude for the soldiers who saved
them and their enthusiasm for the country. And this song

(01:15:48):
celebrated our freedom that happened by that flag still being
there after that night bombardment.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Yeah. Yeah, I think it is an important point that
you made certain to reiterate again that Francis Scott Key
was not particularly on board with this war. I think
that that was the key to him being able to
express the joy in the experiment that is America existing

(01:16:23):
without it being an overtly political statement. I mean, that's
a very hard thin line to walk. And yet if
you look at the words and you go line by line,
he's not going there and saying, oh, how there was
only one option, only one way it could have went,

(01:16:45):
only one true path, none of the propagonistic type of
writing that you see in a lot of national anthems,
but even in just poetry at the time, regardless of
where you're at, if they talk about anything of historical import,
that has to do with national identities. There's almost always

(01:17:08):
some type of tie to over romanticize the side they preferred.
But you didn't really get that aspect as far as
the battle or the creatous actions of the soldiers. It
was all about from his advantage point, knowing what was

(01:17:28):
at stake, and the anticipation just a very based, as
the young kids like to say, idea of what was
at stake and what was on the line. And like
I already said, it's a very hard line to walk
when you're trying to create something like this poem.

Speaker 5 (01:17:51):
Well, and I think that his transformation, I think is
similar to what ours can be, because I don't believe
he really understood what was at stake when he boarded
that ship. I don't believe he really knew even though
Washington had been burned. I don't think he knew we
were that close to losing the war until the British

(01:18:13):
officers told him. And that put the game on the line.
And so when I look at the flag now and
I hear the anthem, I try to sit there and visualize, Okay,
what if my team loses, we lose the war, And
looking at it that way and hearing the words that

(01:18:33):
way and the emotion from that with everything on the line.
It's the closest thing since Washington crossing the Delaware to
the pressure of an all in, all or nothing victory
or defeat type situation. And so to me, that transformation
filled him. And what I hope is people that hear

(01:18:54):
this will feel some of this that we're trying to
convey and will tell their children and get them to
appreciate what they have in this country. And they have
it partly because of what those soldiers did at Fort
McHenry that night, and what Francis scott Key did in
writing The Star Spangled Banner.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Yeah, and I would go a little further in the
statement of some level of divine, divine intervention. We kind
of glossed over the fact that one of the reasons
that Francis scott Key was so personally against the war
it had everything to do with his faith. And when

(01:19:38):
we take a look at how many times in those
earliest decades, how close we came to just not being
able to hold together this nation. I mean, when you
look at the time of the Revolution, legitimately, in the
modern world, there would be no explanation excepted for an

(01:19:59):
America victory outside of the term miracle, and I think
that's still what happened in a lot of ways. And
I think that evening, as you said, not just hearing
how much was on the line, but I think that
also kind of filled him with a bit more of
the Holy Spirit, if you will. And I think that's
part of what also came forth and why these words

(01:20:23):
resonated so strongly with other Americans. It wasn't just this
retelling of the events of that night, which was far
more pivotal than most people realized, but there's also a
touch of the divine within it. I think, at least
that's the way I feel about it when I hear
the words.

Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
Well, absolutely, and he attributed and I agree he attributed providence,
and we don't hear that word very often these days.
But he recognized that it was something outside of man's capability.
It was something bigger than man had to have this happen.
And it's very much similar to when we saw the
attempt on President Trump last July, where the bullet nicked

(01:21:09):
his ear, and that was a providential moment in a
lot of our beliefs as well. And so that happens,
and I think our founders and people after recognized that
our country had been giving the blessings of liberty from God,

(01:21:29):
not man, and they recognized several times during those years
events that happened that were beyond man's capability to make
them happen, and only Providence could deliver them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Yeah, and again, that is a point that I think
has missed far too often when we have discussions of
the earliest few decades of this nation's existence, because so
many times we were on the precipice, so close to
be over the edge, and not only a couple of

(01:22:03):
occasions because of outside forces, lots of times it was
our fellow Americans that, you know, we were still arguing
over what the limits of what the government is and
what's the limits of the social compact that we'd have
to live together under. You can point to something as
simple as the Whiskey Rebellion. So much was on the line.

(01:22:26):
As we continue to interpret and reinterpret what individual liberty
actually meant for us and what the limits of the
government should be, it did take us a while before
this poem was finally recognized as the national anthem. I'm
ashamed to say that I'm not one hundred percent on

(01:22:48):
exactly why it took as long as it did. Is
that a bit of information that you have there well.

Speaker 5 (01:22:54):
And I think the story of what happened to the
flag as well as the song are both very interesting.
Major Armistead, who was the commander at Fort McHenry, ended
up with the flag after the fight, and that flag
stayed in his family, from him to his widow, to
his daughter to his grandson down into the early nineteen hundreds.

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They had a handful of instances where they displayed it.
They had different pieces of it cut off and sent
to people that requested it or given to people in
different situations. And it was finally in the early nineteen
hundreds that they cut a deal with the Smithsonian to
donate the flag there because the family, they recognized the

(01:23:38):
responsibility of that and that the country deserved it more
so than just the family. And so that is very interesting.
And then the Congress passed the law in nineteen thirty
one making it the national anthem. And I think that
probably the Congress and other people just didn't think about
songs like an anthem back at that time. I don't

(01:24:01):
know of the discussions or anything. And I think the
flag going to the Smithsonian might have propelled that song.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
Well, all I know is that when you look around
at other national anthems, and then you look at the
poetry that Francis scott Key wrote that night, there is
and as a homer, I guess I might be just
a little biased, but I don't think there is another
national anthem anywhere that comes anywhere close in comparison to

(01:24:35):
the impact and the meaning. But you really do have
to have a fundamental understanding and a knowledge of exactly
what happened that night and how that's almost the true
story of how this nation could have been created and
could continue the grit and just the joy. Richard, I'm

(01:24:59):
gonna let you an a final comment there real quick,
because we've got to take our mid our break here
in just a moment, and then on the other side
we'll look at a few things from the topics of
the day side of things. But any final thoughts you'd
like to say.

Speaker 5 (01:25:14):
Those two reasons are national anthem special. One is the
event at Fort McHenry's unique in all countries. Second is
that you look at what our country stands for self government,
a republic. It stood for two hundred and something years.

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We were the first country to try that experiment, and
so that was very unique. Also, so the combination of
those two things are unequal from any other country around
the world. And then when you tie in now that
our constitutions the oldest living government document, governing document in
the world, that could be a third thing. So all

(01:25:58):
of these things are very, very unique and I think
very providential.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
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Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
All right, Richard, it does feel like there's so many things,
so many different moving pieces. It's hard to even select
topics right now because there's so many things that I
would really like to get your view on. But let's
start with the most recent development with the Russia Ukraine thing.

(01:36:17):
Of course, today was the day of reckoning. The terriffs
all went into effect, although technically you're not going to
start seeing them go into effect until like October, but
today was the day the deadline to have a deal done.
But one of the things we've been seeing is that

(01:36:38):
Donald Trump knows and understands how to use these tariffs
as a tool for getting people to comply with what
is the better option on the table. Unfortunately, with the
Russia Ukraine situation, he's come to realize that Vladimir Putin

(01:36:59):
is one of these guys that will say whatever he
needs to say to your face, and he's still going
to go and do whatever he wants to do. And
Donald Trump earlier today ordered repositioning of nuclear submarines as
a direct result of some threats that came from Russia.
He's come out since then and he's basically explained why

(01:37:23):
he felt it was necessary. But at what point and
to what extent should we be involved in this particular
ongoing issue in your mind.

Speaker 5 (01:37:38):
Well, that's kind of a mixed bag because we obviously
don't want Russia to succeed. We don't want to do
anything to encourage or affirm what they're doing. So then
the question becomes how and how much help do we
provide Ukraine. And what we had previously was just shoveling
them money with no accountability, and we see what that

(01:37:59):
got us, and so I think we have to be
much more strategic in that help we give them now
while he's exercising leverage with the oil, with the other
ways that Russia earns money so they can put people
in the field. I know they've got more North Koreans

(01:38:21):
in there, but they have some problems, and I think
they're trying right now to get this thing over with
by winter in a victory, not a settlement. And that's
another factor that's complicating the efforts to get a piece
deal done. Russia is saying, Hey, if we quit now,
we only get half a loaf. If we go hard

(01:38:42):
right now, we may get the whole loaf by winter time.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
What do you make of this deadline that Donald Trump
has put on the table for Russia to start making progress.
Has this actually been part of the motivation to push
harder now?

Speaker 5 (01:38:58):
You think, Well, I kind of laugh about it because
I love observing Donald Trump's negotiating tactics and strategies, because
in the business world, I spent a lot of time
doing that for many years. And so when he comes
out and gives him fifty days, and then all of
a sudden he comes out with what I'd call the
power moves and says, well, maybe ten or twelve. Well,

(01:39:20):
if you're in a negotiation like this, he could pull
the plug at any time and do what he wants
to do. He didn't have to wait ten or twelve
days even And so him moving the deadline like that,
that tells Putin that ten or twelve may not be guaranteed.
So that puts additional pressure on him to consider how

(01:39:40):
he responds. And so I like that when Trump did that,
fifty was way too many. And when he pulls the
rugout from under him with ten or twelve, to me,
that was a great move and it set up the
next move right.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
So obviously a lot of people get panicky though when
we start moving some of our resources around, and you know,
I have to admit, Richard, when I hear that two
of our nuclear subs have been repositioned due to threats
from a foreign nation that is nuclear capable, it does

(01:40:17):
make me wonder, at what level are we trying to
engage in negotiation at the highest levels, and at what
level are we actually engaging in brinksmanship. Now I have
a great deal of faith in Donald Trump. It is, however,
a case where I have very little faith in Vladimir

(01:40:38):
Putin other than to take him at his word, that word,
of course, being that his intention is to have his
legacy be the reunification of the Great Russian Empire, and
he's trying to rebuild the former Soviet Union, and I
think he knows at some point he's going to have

(01:40:58):
to go toe to toe, knows knows. I'm not sure
when he decides to take that risk. Obviously, he was
fearless against Joe Biden. Who wouldn't be. It's not like
you could expect much in the way of threat from
that particular regime, regardless of who's pulling the strings. But
is this more posturing in peacocking or is there an

(01:41:23):
actual legitimate risk here that Vladimir goes a step too
far and forces us to do something we really don't
want to do.

Speaker 5 (01:41:32):
Well, I agree with you. I trust President Trump. I
don't trust Putin at all. And so that's one of
the reasons why I think, regardless of how they structure
any kind of a deal, I think it has to
have very specific incremental goals that they have to make,
and every one of those they make that sets us

(01:41:55):
up to do something else. And if they don't make
goals in the short term, we know they won't make
the long term. And one of the problems we get
in when you have politicians negotiating with politicians and never
having negotiated with their own money or businesses or anything
at risk, they don't I don't think they think of
these things sometimes because here we do a deal with

(01:42:17):
Putin and he wouldn't go through with it. Well, you've
got to have those incremental steps, because they won't do
the big steps if they don't do the small steps.
And so I trust Donald Trump's negotiating skills to be
able to set a deal up like that, to try
to make it where it doesn't go so far down
the road we can't come back.

Speaker 8 (01:42:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:39):
Yeah, there is one other thing I probably should point
out as a caveat. I'm not sure exactly how much
I trust all of his advisors to give him the
best information at any given point in time. I like
this crew better than Trump one point zero. But there's
still a few folks that are part of the advisors

(01:43:01):
set that I think may not have America's best interest
in mind. That so I do worry about that. We're
also seeing the world continue to try to put unreasonable
and unrealistic pressure on Israel right now, to the point

(01:43:22):
that we're now starting to see some of our allies
in the world, France, the UK, even Canada talking about
recognizing a Palestinian state. Now, in my mind, that's all
well and good, but if they're going to do it,
they need to open up territory in their own borders.
But given the number of no go zones that currently

(01:43:43):
exist within France, the UK, and surprisingly Canada and even
unfortunately if you hear in the States now, they certainly
could have a recognized Palestinian state within their own borders.
But this is akin to saying that they're going to
recognize they're going to recognize the state of Narnia. For

(01:44:09):
all intents and purposes, there is no structure, there is
no official government is There's really nothing that can be allowed,
and everybody continues to ignore the fact. For some strange reason,
only Donald Trump himself and the Israelis seem to be
the only people, short of some commentators like yourself, to

(01:44:32):
recognize that. Pay By the way, Hamas was the freaking
bad guy here and the last time Israel tried to
back away give these folks a territory to governing themselves
and left them alone. That ended on October seventh, when
Hamas decided to attack them for no apparent reason other
than being told to by Iran to slow down the

(01:44:55):
abrahab A cords.

Speaker 5 (01:44:57):
Well, yes, I agree with that one hundred percent. And
what's amazing to me is them making the statement is
a sign of weakness. We recognize a Palestinian state, Okay,
Well where is it? Is it in their minds? There
is no ground, like you say, there's nothing going on
right now where they can recognize it. So if there's
nothing that they can recognize that the Palestinians can occupy

(01:45:21):
and have their sovereignty in, then what's the statement mean?
And then the second piece of it that's equally worse,
if not even more worse, is them doing that independently
without being in conjunction with Washington, especially Canada, when they're
still trying to negotiate a trade deal. Here, they're sticking

(01:45:44):
their thumb in President Trump's eye, which will get them
more punitive trade relations that. I don't understand that at all,
because there's nothing to be gained there. Hamasa said, they're
not going to be satisfied until Israel's gone, and you
could give them land right now, and that wouldn't stop

(01:46:04):
the violence, That would just give them safe haven to
regroup and repurpose themselves and come back after Israel again.
So to me, it just shows a total lack of
understanding of Hamas and the mindset of the Muslim world
that wants to take over the world.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
Well, you know, I wish I could just put it
all up to incompetence and ignorance, Richard, but I have
a very hard time believing that Macron and some of
these other world leaders that have been vocal don't know
and don't understand that. I mean, at this point they've

(01:46:43):
seen it again. I'll reference the size and the number
of no go zones that exist throughout the major swaths
of the EU, and those things started in France and
there are several of them in the UK. And for
anybody that's out there that still doesn't get the reference,
doesn't know what a no go zone is. It is

(01:47:05):
an enclaved territory where Muslim immigrants have come in and
rather than assimilate, they've just created their own little populations
and then they start policing it themselves. And the term
no go comes from the fact that police are no
longer allowed to go in there because when they try,
they get assaulted at best.

Speaker 6 (01:47:29):
Best.

Speaker 5 (01:47:30):
Yes, and I didn't mean to insinuate that it was
just total neither pay. But what that says is is
the pressure they have inside their country from their Muslim
population is greater than the pressure they have from Donald
Trump or the United States trying to get them not
to do this, and so they're trying to please that

(01:47:50):
political base they've got in their own countries, which if
you saw President Trump the other day with the Prime
Minister Starmer there in Britain right there to his faith,
he talked about the need to have mass deportations in
Europe to salvage the European culture, if you will, in
the European sovereignty.

Speaker 17 (01:48:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
Yeah, And I didn't. I didn't feel like you insinuated
that particular point. I just wanted to make sure that
it was spoken out loud. Richard. I think we're pretty
much on the same page, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
It really is a case where at this point, if
it's not already too late, the majority of Western Europe
has already been conquered and they're going to have to
go through some pain in order to to rectify that
situation if they're going to hold on to Western civilization

(01:48:50):
in any semblance of liberty or freedom. One more quick point,
I wanted to try to get in with you tonight
if we could, and that is the ongoing spat between
Trump and mister Powell over at the Federal Reserve. We've

(01:49:12):
seen this ongoing and we kind of knew it was
gonna happen, and then we got these job report that
came out today, And in case anybody's missed it, the
labor statistic statistician was she got fired because Trump did
not like this revision. And it's not that he didn't

(01:49:33):
like the revision, was the idea. The idea here is
that you keep making these changes. Your job is to
give legitimate numbers, not to keep just throwing out whatever
numbers suits your purpose in the moment and then go
back and fix it later. So it's a legitimate firing there.
But this idea that we aren't economically strong enough to

(01:49:55):
have interest rates come down a little bit. It's a struggle.
But the one thing that still kind of sticks to
my call where maybe we're being a little too quick
to be too harsh on Powell, is the fact that
we still don't know exactly where these tariffs are going
to end up things. Some inflation could still come from that.
So are we being unfair to Jerome Powell and thinking

(01:50:17):
this is strictly political? I don't think so, but just
playing devil's advocate? Are we?

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:50:26):
I don't believe so. I think they're using the tariffs
as an excuse when the tariffs are a piece the growth,
the investments coming in from these other countries, the tariff revenue.
There are so many other different issues that affect this
right now. And I think the two dissenting votes and

(01:50:47):
the Fed this week were a good sign because it
shows they're not all on board with this delay in
lowering rates. And to me, last Friday, the incident where
President Trump went with Powell to the Fed and they
were observing the remodeling that was going on there, and
he talked about the overruns and the three billion dollar

(01:51:09):
cost and Jerome pal sitting there shaking his head no,
and Donald Trump pulls out a piece of paper, a
report from the Federal Reserve that had all the numbers
on there showing that they were overrunning the budget and
were spending three plus billion dollars and Jerome Powell looked
like somebody had just shot his dog. And so to me,

(01:51:29):
that showed a total lack of competence from Powell, that
he either didn't know or didn't care about something that
was under his total responsibility. And you would think if
you're so called boss, and I know that term could
be used in different ways in this situation, but you
think he'd have been a little more prepared for how

(01:51:51):
Donald Trump may have used data against him during that
visit last week, and he got caught totally with his
shorts down and totally embarrassed, and to me, it looked
like he was totally incompetent.

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
Yeah. Yeah, I highly recommend that all these folks suffering
from Trump to arrangement syndrome do not try to take
him on and anything that is even remotely related to
real estate development and when it comes to renovating a building,
Donald John Trump does know how to read a budget

(01:52:26):
and how to spot the overages, and probably how to
spot where you're getting ripped off, because you know he's
fought back against that kind of thing in his personal
life before. You can't be profitable in those arenas. Doesn't
let me interject.

Speaker 5 (01:52:41):
Let me interject with an example, because I did business
with a Trump organization in my last corporate life, and
I had a meeting in Trump Tower three weeks before
nine to eleven with his director of security. We were
negotiating a deal. And he told me at that time,
this was two thousand and one. He said, Donald trum
Up at that time signed every account's payable check for

(01:53:03):
all his companies, and he did it on Friday mornings
between nine and ten thirty or sometime like that. And
the employees were scared to death that during those hours
the phone would ring and he would be asking the question, Hey,
why are you wasting all my money? Hey, why couldn't
you get me a better deal? Hey do we really
need this particular piece in this project or not? And

(01:53:25):
he said those employees were on their toes at all
times trying to make sure they put out the best
product on time for the least amount of expenses in
the Trump organization. And I think that's his style of leadership,
and I think that's going to help us the next
three years.

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
I can't agree more. We are quickly running out of time, Richard,
which I always hate that because it feels like we
really barely get started on any good conversation before we
have to put a pin in it. But if you
can do it in about sixty seconds or so, please

(01:54:04):
any final thoughts for the evening as we head into
this weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:54:09):
Well sixty seconds, I'll do the plug. Richard Battle dot
com is a website. All twelve books are there. All
are signed. If you like them inscribed as a gift,
which we do a lot of gifts, email me Richard
at Richard Battle dot com under Amazon Richard V. Battle.
All twelve books are there, almost all of them are
kendle eight of them. After we get the next one

(01:54:31):
out in audio will be in audio format. And if
there's anything we can do for the audience, Richard at
Richard Battle dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
All right, As always, sir, I greatly appreciate you taking
time out of your busy schedule to come talk to us.
It really means a lot to me, sir, Thank you
so much, godspeed, God bless and I look forward to
our next get together.

Speaker 5 (01:54:55):
Thanks again, tim, God bless America.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, that of course was mister
Richard V. Battle. And when I say prolific author, I
mean it I do not just throw that word around
for no good reason. Now I'm talking about spokes that
have had to have written in excess of six books.
He's well over that mark, and he has done just
so much phenomenal work. Yeah, there will be links in

(01:55:22):
the show description for those of you that are in
the archives and for those of you listening live. If
you didn't catch that, feel free to come visit our archives.
The best place to start that is over at Sprinker,
but you can visit me at tap into the Truth
dot com. It's tapp into the Truth dot com and
you can kind of follow us from there. It's easy

(01:55:43):
enough to find. And I meanwhile, that's gonna have to
be it for this evening. So, ladies and gentlemen, I
do greatly appreciate you being here. I would appreciate it
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(01:56:05):
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We need your support to continue and so we cannot

(01:56:26):
be so easily silenced. And I meanwhile, don't take my
word for not one little thing you've heard me say
this evening. I want you to be prepared to put
in some efforts so you can go do your own homework,
do your own research, use reliable sources, and that's certainly
not the name of a CNN show that I want

(01:56:48):
you to emulate. Use multiple sources, use original documents where
you can, but most importantly, use your brain if you
really want to tap into the truth. Have a great weekend, everybody,
and come back and see us next week.

Speaker 14 (01:57:04):
Even that's awful.

Speaker 4 (01:57:33):
Your baby gun was the world's fun when you were
just a little squirt. You learn the holes of defensive
tool so that no one would get hurt. You learn
to breathe, and you learned to squeeze, so your animals
always true. You make a right of passage man with

(01:57:57):
your first seal twenty two. Now the New World Order
through well, they're magian.

Speaker 16 (01:58:08):
There demands.

Speaker 6 (01:58:10):
They don't feel safe, and you are wrong. You say
country shows using both hands.

Speaker 4 (01:58:23):
She father's name the second amend that was the final
one to keep other sam tas so never.

Speaker 17 (01:58:33):
Because she.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
She's staring hit the alomy in Paul Pot.

Speaker 6 (01:58:42):
They told us things that you never forgot. The teacher
less seen dollars, stars, to fear, the government, the fears,
the guns, now.

Speaker 4 (01:58:54):
The new World Order through well, they're Magian there demands.

Speaker 6 (01:59:00):
They don't feel safe, and you are wrong to say
gun control. He's using both hands.

Speaker 4 (01:59:13):
Like a good free don't wait to tie two to.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
Three g more than thout enough protect.

Speaker 9 (01:59:22):
My family.

Speaker 4 (01:59:41):
Now that you will are not through, Well, then mag
you have glans.

Speaker 12 (01:59:47):
They can pass one hundred balls, but we.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
Still don't give it down.

Speaker 6 (01:59:53):
All of these things over deal if they try to
take this.

Speaker 4 (01:59:58):
Lam advocates reason gun control

Speaker 6 (02:00:11):
Is using both hands

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