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Speaker 8 (02:38):
The damn you when Hello, and welcome to today's broadcast
of Tapping Too the Truth. I hope you are having
a good day, regardless of who you are or where
you're at, all the usual caveats. Of course, it's hard
to imagine too many of us are feeling great. Why

(03:00):
because I am, indeed you're ever so humble. But I
am not at all a peaceful host. At the moment,
I am Stiel, like many of you out there, reeling
from the events that took place at Utah Valley University.
Charlie Kirk stolen from us, a thirty one year old

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man with the legacy of a man who'd lived two lifetimes,
the charisma that can't be matched, the ability to reach
in and to help change the course of the nation.
Had made huge impacts in that direction, and I think
that's part of why he was targeted while he was

(03:47):
still hated by the left, why people were twisted against him.
I don't know if very many of you took time
to seize what a lot of the left leaning folks
have done to to try and twist his words, the snippets,
the sound bites, the clipping of his words to try
to make it look like he was vicious and hostile

(04:10):
and full of hate, which is as far from the
truth as could humanly be possible. All it would require
is listening for two more seconds for most of these clips,
But of course that's the two seconds that made him
effective in person. He practiced the one thing that built
this nation and made it special, engaging with people who

(04:34):
think differently than you. Intellectually talking out our difference is
possibly even coming to new agreements and new understandings. He
was extremely effective at doing that, especially with America's youth.
He was loosening the left grip on him, so he
had to be taken out. So if I seemed to

(04:57):
drift a bit tonight, if I seemed to get a
bit angrier than I should be, or if I seem
to sound a bit sadder or a bit detached, it
is because, like a lot of you, I am still
trying to process this. But I promise you I will try.
I will make every effort to move past it, move
beyond it, and to focus on the things and events

(05:19):
that we're talking about tonight, and that includes a lineup
of great guests. We have Jim Beach coming on, an
entrepreneur extraordinaire radio host as well. He's an award winning author.
He has a brand new book coming out this time,
not necessarily about entrepreneurship, but about his other great passion,

(05:46):
the environment and who's actually going to save it. We'll
be talking about that book and probably a little bit
more with Jim here in just a few minutes. To
see his first stuff on the lineup after that we
have Noah Witherspoon. He is president of one of the
Florida chapters of Turning Point USA, as well as being

(06:10):
a journalist as well. We'll be generally talking about where
things go for him in the aftermath of what's happened
to the co founder of Turning Point. A little bit later,
we're going to be joined by David Kinkayo. He's part
of a father's son team of authors. Very unique. I

(06:33):
kind of like the idea of a father and son
that get along well enough that they can work together
to write a book that is just.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
I was.

Speaker 8 (06:43):
I loved my father, you know, get me wrong, but
we always were kind of bickering just enough that a
project like that we probably could not have gotten through.
So we may spend a lot of time just talking
about that aspect of it alone. Then we're gonna finish
up with the returning guest. He's literally the only returning

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guest night everybody else for first time guests for the
show tonight. So that's fantastic. I always love reaching out
and getting new folks song. But we've got Colonel William
Burner Dunn, Marine retired Marine helicopter pilot, author of the
books Gunslinger's Rule. We're gonna be talking with him about

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these Russian drones that made their way into Poland. And
we may expand to the Israeli cutter issue as well
if time permits. But that is the agenda for tonight.
Excuse me. So that being said, plenty of distraction, plenty
of things to get excited about. So we're gonna skip

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the cold read now. We'll make up the sponsors a
little bit later. I do want to introduce our first guest,
Ladies and gentlemen. Jim Beach is a longtime entrepreneur. He's
a best selling author. He's an award winning speaker. He's
a nationally syndicated radio host. He's not only been an

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example of entrepreneurship, but he's also been a source of
information and inspiration for fellow entrepreneurs. And as I mentioned earlier,
he's also very passionate about the environment. Ladies and gentlemen,
I said his name, Jim Beach. He is here, and
we're going to be talking about his new book, soon

(08:40):
to be released, Environmentalists, How Wayne Elliott and other Capitalists
will Save the World. Jim, first of all, thank you
so much for joining us. Tonight. I appreciate the opportunity
to get to speak to you. How are you today, sir?

Speaker 9 (08:56):
Thank you for having me. It is my honor.

Speaker 8 (08:58):
Thanks a lot. All right, Well, let's let the folks
know a little bit about your backstory, because I mean,
you've got an impressive resume, to say the least. Got
into entrepreneurship very early on. Were amazingly successful by most
people's standards, and that wasn't enough for you. You needed

(09:21):
new challenges. You moved forward, and I love the fact
that part of how you moved forward was in fact
trying to help other people be just as successful. You
weren't holding back. What was that part of the journey
like and how did we eventually get to the point
where you're now writing an environmentalist book.

Speaker 10 (09:44):
Well, I did study some environmental classes in college and
got a minor in oceanography temp. But I've always been
devoted to trying to see the good size of everything.
I just try really hard to see good around us.
And one of the areas that I kept being good

(10:05):
and only hearing bad was with the environment. And I
met an entrepreneur who is doing amazing things in Canada,
Wayne Elliott, who you already mentioned, and started realizing that
there are so many young entrepreneurs out there that are
tackling environmental issues and making great progress with it.

Speaker 9 (10:26):
And so this book came from.

Speaker 10 (10:28):
My desire to share the good story my very first
business I started when I was twenty three and did
that until I was in my early thirties. It was
a summer camp business with locations at Stanford MIT, Georgetown,
UCLA SMU.

Speaker 9 (10:44):
Threw it in.

Speaker 10 (10:46):
Six or seven years to about seven hundred employees and
sold that and became a university professor at Georgia State
for a wild downtown school here in Atlanta, and started
teaching entrepreneurship and got into an argument with one of
my classes one night about.

Speaker 9 (11:03):
His entrepreneurship hard. No, it's easy. It's hard.

Speaker 10 (11:05):
No, it's easy, And so I got myself into a bet.
Tim and I had one semester to get a profitable
business up and running, and they got to choose the
country in the industry, and I won that bet with
a Pakistani furniture company right after nine to eleven, and
that became a McGraw hill book. McGraw hill heard that
story and thought it was interesting enough, and so I

(11:27):
wrote School for Startups about twelve years ago, and it
became a bestseller and one hundred and thirty five star
reviews on Amazon, and eventually that turned into a radio show,
and now we're up to one hundred stations, five days
a week around the country trying to help people become
low risk entrepreneurs. I hate risk, so we try to
talk about doing a low risk startup where you don't

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risk more than five thousand dollars. And one of the days,
Dwayne Elliott was my guest and started hearing his story
and realizing that he really does represent an entire class
of entrepreneurs, a great group of people out there trying
to solve the environmental problems that we all see and
not trying to get famous doing it, just trying to

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solve the problem.

Speaker 9 (12:12):
It's not like these academics that.

Speaker 10 (12:13):
Are just you know, fighting literally over who got included
in the Nobel Prize that Outbore won.

Speaker 8 (12:19):
You know, there were other people.

Speaker 10 (12:20):
Too, they fought over who got included or not. They're
not worrying about the environment. They're worrying about the performance
that it looks like they're worrying about the environment.

Speaker 9 (12:30):
Right, I'll stop there. How's all that.

Speaker 8 (12:32):
Okay, Well, you know a point that we've made quite
frequently here, and I know I'm not the only one
doing this, but it does seem that there is a
fair number of folks that are more interested in signaling
virtue than doing the hard work of rolling up your
sleeves and creating the new technologies or perfecting the current
technologies in a fashion that would be great. Clearly, we

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need entrepreneurship to show that there are positive pass forwards
that will be more protective of the environment, because I
don't believe there's anybody on the planet that is so
shortsighted is to not realize we need to be good
conservators of our world. Otherwise, if it doesn't happen within

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our own lifetime, those we leave behind will pay a
heavy price. So we've seen the results of poor practices.
I think more people are more aware moving forward, but
it takes the can do spirit to make those things
pass it, and that doesn't exist anywhere any more than

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in the heart of an entrepreneur.

Speaker 9 (13:45):
I wholeheartedly agree.

Speaker 10 (13:47):
You know, the entrepreneurs that I've met through this process
are some of the greatest individuals I've seen. They're not
worrying about the awards. There's out there obsessed with coral
grow again or making the water a little bit purer.
You know, they're concerned with these issues and they become

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obsessed and the money is not the thing they're pursuing.
It's not than they're pursuing. They just want a true solution,
something that will make it all better for all of us.
And I one hundred percent agree with you. I think
everyone is an environmentalness right. We just have to decide
what the combination is.

Speaker 9 (14:27):
Going to be.

Speaker 10 (14:28):
I love jet skiing and skiing and snowmobiling and all
of those. Those are all outdoors in the environment, but
they still use a lot of gas and make a
lot of noise. Is that bad tim you know? Or
if I go hunting one weekend? You know, is it
okay if I go hunting, if I go into tesla?
You know, we have all of these performative rules that say,

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you know, you're a bad person because you do this,
or you're a good person because you support this. Sometimes
we have to deal with hypocrisy, and I think that
the environment is one of the biggest issues where we
see just blatant hypocrisy. You win an award from the
un for being a great environmentalist, and what do you

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do take your private plane to get on your yacht
and celebrate, And the private planes and the yachts are
some of the most destructive things that we have on
earth for the environment.

Speaker 9 (15:23):
They're absolutely horrible.

Speaker 10 (15:25):
And in the book, we have taken all of this philosophy,
put it into chat GPT and said, make a list
of the ten biggest celebrity hypocrits. And it popped out
the list, and we have in the book and the
pendix to the methodology to show how we did this.
So you really can't argue with the data. You can't
argue with me. You can argue with chat GPT because

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we give you the methodology. But some of our favorite
stars and some of our favorite politicians bade the list
and are sort of some of the biggest hypocrits out there.
Give you an example, the Kardashians have a one hundred
thousand dollars water bill fine per month. They're getting fined

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one hundred thousand dollars because they're using excessive water.

Speaker 9 (16:13):
What is their solution pay the fine? They don't care.

Speaker 10 (16:16):
They're willing to run their sprinklers all night long. So
they have green grass and pay the one hundred thousand
dollars a month fine because they want their grass to
be green and that's what's important to them. They're not
honestly concerned about the environment, or they wouldn't run their
streaker or the sprinkler all night tim They're just hypocritical

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people that don't think while they're acting. They're pretty disgusting
to see.

Speaker 8 (16:46):
All right, So when you were doing the research and
putting this together, what's the one thing that really stood
out to you as a surprise, something that you didn't
expect to find out.

Speaker 10 (17:00):
You know, I didn't know how big this environmental entrepreneurial
movement was. I had seen two or three companies. I
had had some guests on my radio show where I
was meeting some of these incredible environmental entrepreneurs, and I
started looking for them and started doing more work. How
many companies ten in America do you think we're focusing

(17:21):
on an environmental issue? They're for profit capitalists, founders. How
many companies do you think I found ten? Twenty thirty.
I found two hundred and sixteen companies in America that
are one hundred percent focus on solving one of the
big problems that we hear about water, hurricane, air pollution.

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You know, someone is tackling every issue. And so the
biggest surprise for me is that I quit worrying about
us all dying in climate change. I'm still very concerned
about it, and as a good conservative, I'm going to
be a conservative tour of my I to try to,
you know, take only pictures and leave only footprints.

Speaker 9 (18:05):
But we're not going to die overnight.

Speaker 10 (18:08):
We might have some really horrible pollution situations. One of
the things I'm more concerned about is these shipwrecks that
we just dump all over the place. You know, a
lot of these supercarriers that we see at the end
of their life, they just disappear overnight. What do you
think happened to them? Well, someone took them out in

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the middle of the ocean and thank them. With all
of the oil still in it, all of these bests,
all of the other horrible minerals that these ships contain,
They're just dropped in the middle of the ocean.

Speaker 9 (18:41):
So you know, the.

Speaker 10 (18:42):
Netherlands has lived a yard underwater or below sea level
for three hundred years, and so I'm not really worried
about Manhattan disappearing underwater. They can figure that out, just
like they did in the Netherlands. I'm my biggest worry
is that one of these nuclear things that we've let
sink is going to contaminate three hundred thousand square miles

(19:06):
of a nocean or something like that. So those environmental
issues still scare me. But the idea that we're going
to kill ourselves by killing all the bees, I don't
worry about that as much.

Speaker 11 (19:18):
Well.

Speaker 8 (19:19):
I think the amazing thing that people tend to overlook
is that throughout history, when we would get on the
verge of an environmental apocalypse, and we've probably been a
lot closer to that than most people want to realize
or admit, we tend to find a technological solution. Again.

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Entrepreneurs of the past have stepped up and found creative ways,
sometimes almost too simple for most people to recognize, but
they see that little thing and then all of a
sudden we find our way back. We've solved the problem,
and we increase the quality of life from those people

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who get to enjoy the fruits of that entrepreneurism and
the process. I still believe personally that part of the
basic human makeup is finding solutions to answers. Sadly, there's
a lot of folks that are kind of intellectually lazy
and they don't put as much thought into things as

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we like. And I think we're talking about folks like
the Cardassianism when we talk about that. But for the
people that see problems and look to solutions, we just
it's almost like a superpower that humanity has for those
who are willing to tap into it. And again, I'll
circle back around. The entrepreneurial spirit seems to be very

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strong in those problem solvers.

Speaker 11 (20:47):
It is, it is.

Speaker 10 (20:48):
These are great men and women who see things a
little bit differently. You know, they see opportunities where other
people see catastrophes, and they're willing to fight and put
in the time and money. One of the heroes tim
that I talk about in the book is Dwayne Elliott
there on the cover. He spent twenty years and twenty

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million dollars of his own money trying to figure out
how to recycle batteries. He was already in the ship
recycling business. That's how he got wealthy. He would go
and buy an aircraft carrier or a submarine to take
it apart recycle it. Down to its smallest elements and
then sell off all of the scrap materials and make
a profit doing that. But imagine recycling an aircraft carrier. Well,

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he also wanted to figure out the batteries, and so
he spent twenty million of his own dollars to figure
out how to recycle batteries. Eventually perfected it and got
Canada up to ninety seven percent battery recycling. And he's
had lots of American groups come up and study what
he's doing and try to learn from him and from Canada.

Speaker 9 (21:55):
How they got to ninety seven percent.

Speaker 10 (21:57):
And recently he had a group of California senators up
and they concluded that it just wouldn't work in the
United States and wasn't worth even try. Well, they got
it to ninety seven percent in Canada. And how why
can't we do it? Why can't we put battery recycling
at all of our A and ps, at home depots
and all of our grocery stores and you know, service

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centers and car washes.

Speaker 9 (22:23):
Why can't we figure it out?

Speaker 10 (22:25):
And I think it's because we're just not willing to try.
We're not willing to put in the hard work to
take we're not willing to go to our constituents and say,
you know, we're going to have to recycle the batteries
and if we catch some in your trash, you're not
going to have.

Speaker 9 (22:40):
Trash privileges for a year.

Speaker 11 (22:41):
You know.

Speaker 10 (22:42):
Something we need to do to be more proactive and
to solve these problems. And we're spending way too much
time fighting over the outsides and the fringes when eighty
percent of us in the middle agreed. And so you know,
I'm going to blame the politicians and the academic people
who are more concerned with their appearance than the actuality.

Speaker 8 (23:06):
Yeah, I'm afraid the synec and ME tends to agree
with you. I think when it comes to the politician
side of this equation, it's one of two things. Either
they still want the issue to run on as opposed
to solving the problem, because it's a lot easier to
keep complaining about what's wrong rather than trying to remind

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everybody everything you fixed. That's something they've learned a while back.
But the other aspect also, I don't know how heavily
invested a certain politician may be with the companies that
are building the current batteries that are making a fortune
by selling you new ones. Ever so often, rather than

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worrying about how you're recycling and saving the environment, there's
either money or there is something involved. That's almost always
the way, Jim, real quick, we're already running out of time,
and I hate that. But before we start wrapping up
and saying our final goodbyes for the evening, what is

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the one thing you're hoping the average reader is going
to take away from this brand new book of yours.

Speaker 10 (24:16):
I hate to be repetitive, but a sense of optimism,
a sense of achievement in a sense that we can
solve these problems. And we need to give credit to
the people who are actually doing it, the unsung heroes.
And we need to start telling the people who are
lying to us you know, we're not believing you anymore.

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We've seen through you, so stop, you know. And maybe
that's what Charlie's demise can help us all get a
little more comfortable with He certainly was comfortable in his
skin and his Christianity, and maybe we can learn from that.

Speaker 8 (24:53):
Yeah, I certainly hope. So there's no doubt that that
particular message is one that's one that we definitely need
at this point in time, too many folks who've kind
of been looking the other way or thinking it doesn't
really affect them, whatever the issue may be. So yeah,
I certainly agree with that. Jim. Please let everybody know

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where they can look to pick up the book, where
they can find your other work as well. Feel free
to share any websites, and if you're inviting people to
follow you anywhere on social media, you're more than welcome
to share handles and platforms. Well.

Speaker 10 (25:31):
Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate
it and very impressed with your show and nice to
get to meet you and your group there. I am
Jim Beach, so you can find me at Jimbeach dot com.
And the book is called Real Environmentalist, so just look
for that on Amazon, and is here my radio show.
You can go to school for Startups Radio dot com.

(25:54):
And I appreciate it so much.

Speaker 8 (25:55):
Thank you all right, Jim, I appreciate you coming on.
It's been in time. I'm with us, and I hope
we can get together and do it again sometime relatively soon,
because certainly I want to make sure that we encourage
as many entrepreneurs as possible and I'm definitely on board
with the message of telling these folks that we know

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you're lying to us. Wherever it stopped, get back to
doing the business of the people. God speed to you, sir,
good luck moving forward, and I do hope to talk
to you again soon.

Speaker 9 (26:27):
Likewise, i'd love to have you on my show.

Speaker 8 (26:28):
Have a good night you as well. All right, ladies
and gentlemen, That, of course was mister Jim Beach. We'll
have links in the show description for those of you
that decide to listen in the archives if you're listening
when I have though, it's pretty easy. Jimbeach dot Com
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all right, Well, that means said it is time to
get back into the action, ladies and gentlemen. Our next
guest is a journalist. You can find his work at
the Western Journal as well as the South Florida Sentinel Sun.
He is currently the president of the Western Florida chapter
of Turning Point USA. Please welcome mister Noah Witherspoon. Noah,

(38:50):
thank you so much for first of all reaching out
to me the way you did, and secondly coming on
air when a spot kind of opened up. Last second,
thank you so much for joining us tonight.

Speaker 19 (39:00):
Absolutely, it's it's amazing to be here, Tim, and it's
an honor to be on your show. I've been a
long listener.

Speaker 8 (39:09):
Well, that's always good to hear. It doesn't make me
feel a little better about knowing that there's at least
two of you out there. So much all right, Obviously,
when it comes to turning point, us a great organization,
been doing great work for a while. This week not

(39:32):
just a dark week for the organization, but for conservatism
for America as a whole. Political assassination of Charlie Kirk
that just it strikes us all to our very core,
and anybody that wants to celebrate that or mock it,

(39:56):
it makes me question what is left or their soul.
But the thing here is Charlie left us a bright,
shining torch and a pathway to follow. So it's up
to us now to pick up that path and continue
on to light the way, to try to to frame

(40:18):
Christianity and conservatism and why these are positives. So I
guess the question that I need to start out and
asking you, is that, at this point in time, how
does Western Florida's chapter of Turning Point USA move forward?
How do you move forward trying to do your part
and to elevate your game.

Speaker 19 (40:40):
Yeah yeah, I mean it's it's tough for all of us,
but this is such a difficult time, and I think
that we all need to come together, and that's what
my chapters are doing. The Turning Point Western Activism Hub
has been taking this very very hard, and so has
Club America Tarkin Springs. It is extremely difficult for us,

(41:01):
but we just got to keep pushing on, and we've
got to keep fighting and keep using our voices.

Speaker 11 (41:05):
Tim.

Speaker 8 (41:07):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's not an option. We can't
just stop, none of us. And this is an organization
that's so important because it reaches the young people, I mean,
the hearts and minds of the future of the country
and in a lot of cases, the present of the country.

(41:29):
But it is so hard though, I mean, this is
so devastating. I every time I see some new bit
of footage, my heart breaks again, and I try so
hard not to get overly emotional on air, but the
image of Charlie's wife coming off air Force two when

(41:49):
they made their final approach back home, and just so crushing.
It is a case where a lot of us do
need to take a step back, catch your breath, and
to not rush things too much. But we can't afford
to rest on our laurels either.

Speaker 19 (42:09):
Absolutely, absolutely, and and it was crushing. It was crushing
when I found out. The first thing I did is
call my chapter supervisor. The the Turning Point organization has
taken this amazingly. They are doing exactly what Charlie would
have wanted, their signaling chapter leaders, to continue our work

(42:32):
and to continue the fight, and to fight for the
values of which Charlie lived and died. And I believe
that that's the most noble aspect of all of this.

Speaker 8 (42:41):
Yeah, what was it that brought you to Turning Point? What?
What was the the allure to you? Personally?

Speaker 19 (42:53):
To me, I was invited by a great friend of mine,
Alex Corn. Me and him have been great politics. I
got involved in politics when I was just eleven years old. Again,
I mean, I love politics. I still love it.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
I loved it.

Speaker 19 (43:09):
Then and I immediately got involved once I turned thirteen.
I believe that that's when I joined the Western Chapter.
And everything has been great since and so for me,
a war was just always there. Ever since I was
eleven years old, what was there?

Speaker 8 (43:28):
I know a lot of people don't really understand the
feel of how the organization works. There's the central hub,
but then they're so open to folks. They encourage people
to start their own chapters and there's a lot of independence,
but there's still a lot of coordination too. It's a

(43:48):
very unique format. How much direct interaction with headquarters does
your particular hub have and did you have any type
of support directly from the folks at the very top.
Did you get an opportunity to meet these top folks

(44:10):
on a regular basis?

Speaker 19 (44:12):
Right well, in Turning Point, there's a very unique structure,
as you stated, the the top headquarters. They offer every
chapter leader tickets to almost every Turning Point event so
that we can have the chance to meet all of
all of the leaders. And that was just another example

(44:33):
of how caring Charlie was. I mean, Charlie cared about
what the little people thought. He didn't care how big
you were, he didn't care how small you were. He
still treated you like a human and he still afforded
you opportunities that many will not approat like like like
even think of giving to you, And and and it's
just a sad day that he's gone, and and now

(44:55):
the whole leadership structure will have to be recalibrated. But
I do believe that it for the good of the organization,
and I do believe that it's ultimately going to lead
to us glorifying his memory even more.

Speaker 8 (45:09):
Yeah, you mentioned that he didn't care how little you are.
You know, I had the pleasure of meeting him twice,
very brief meetings, nothing to brag about. I don't think
for a second he could pick me out of a lineup.
So I don't want to make it sound like I
was buddies with him or anything, although I would have
loved to have been. I was so impressed in those

(45:32):
two occasions. But from everything that I've seen and from
everything that I've heard from people who did know him
a lot better, I don't think he ever thought of
himself as being anything more than just another one of
those little guys, just a little guy on a big.

Speaker 19 (45:47):
Mission, exactly exactly, and it was a mission that I
believe God sent him too. He did so much for
this country, and he never ever thought that he was
more than just another regular American. He treated everyone equally.
Even when he was at the White House, he treated

(46:07):
everyone equally. He was just that type of guy. Now,
I am just so happy to see that there's an
international of support for him, vigils around the world, global support,
support from net Nyahoo, support from the Vice President, support
from the President of the United States. It's humbling to

(46:29):
see how someone so ordinary just a few years ago
could turn into someone so big and so influential on
American politics.

Speaker 8 (46:39):
Yeah. Well, you know, I've said this more than once
at this point during broadcasting for the last couple of days.
It is extremely rare for anyone to have lived such
a short life, but to have had such a legacy.
I mean, there are people that could have done the

(47:00):
things they did and lived two lifetimes working on it
and still would have fallen short from this. And you're
absolutely right, this was a definitely ordained it was a mission,
and he fulfilled it faithfully. And as much as I'm
glad to see that, this may very well lead not

(47:24):
just to changes here but worldwide, as you pointed out,
as people come to realize that you cannot allow this
type of political action against people who literally the only
weapon they ever used was their wit and the truth.
They used words and truth. That was it. They would

(47:48):
have statistics or they would have biblical principles, and it's
either one or the other at all times. And he
was never rude, at least I never saw they And
even when he was being treated harshly, he stayed calm.
He was excellent at what he did, such a communicator,

(48:08):
and I would so so much rather still have him
here doing what he did. It's just again, I circle
back around, and I just am so distraught at times,
and I go from being very angry to now being
you know, I feel bad for the parents of the

(48:31):
person currently in custody who did this action, because you know,
there's there's only so much they could do, but it
doesn't change the fact that this has happened, and just
so infuriating. I guess I don't know. I have to
stop while I start getting overly emotional. This is this

(48:51):
is really something that it's just too fresh and too hard,
and I've only had a couple of brief encounters, so
I can't imagine what this is like for others. But
what are some of the the upcoming things that you
guys have in stories. You're moving forward.

Speaker 19 (49:11):
Well, Turning Point, Western activis in hub. We are going
to one be working to get this out in the open.
We are one hundred percent going to be working with
local party leaders, and then we're going to start working
with with a lot of people in the media specifically,
because that's where people get their minds changed. Right Club
America Tarpin Springs our president Abby Cole. She is currently

(49:33):
working to get on the radio herself. She is a spectacular,
spectacular leader and I encourage her in every action that
she does because I know that it's all for Charlie.
Right now, turning point, on the national stage, they're going
through a recalibration. I think that we should all give
them some time, and as soon as they get recalibrated,
I think that we need to get right back to

(49:54):
work because the the midterms are coming up and we
need to windows for the sanctity of the nation and
for the safety of Congress.

Speaker 8 (50:03):
Yeah, there's no question we still need to be out
there trying to push back against the indoctrination that so
many young people are subjected to. Radicalization is taking place now,
unfortunately in the online culture. It's taking place where it
used to wait until college. Now it's happening in elementary schools.

(50:27):
It's happening in kindergartens. Do you have all these people
that are pushing these strange notions that shouldn't They have
no place in the classroom. If an adult wants to
carry on in some crazy manner, then fine, whatever, but
you've got no business doing any of this in the classroom.

(50:47):
You can't be an authority figure and be allowed to
confuse or negatively influence young people. And you certainly shouldn't
be trying to drive a wedge between parents or community
the values that they've been inclinated with. They just seem
to have lost their moral bearings, and with that it

(51:11):
is incumbent upon us to be able to continue to
spread them positive messages as much as possible. And again
through the organization there you guys, you're taking on a strong, strong,
heavy lift of trying to push back against that level
of indoctrination. So again I honor and respect everything everyone

(51:35):
who works with this organization does, and you're all in
my prayers at this point in time, because there is
no way that you could take such a heavy loss
and still be right on track and I'm afraid that
some of you will probably be tempted to bury yourselves
in the work and push too hard. Be sure. I mean,

(51:59):
I want to encourage you and everybody else that's engaged
to take the necessary time to allow the grieving to
happen as well as picking up that mission. Thank you
so much again, Noah for joining us. I want to
give you an opportunity to share any websites that you

(52:20):
would like to share. Let folks know where they can
go to find your writing, any other works that you
may be doing. And if you're inviting people to follow
you on social media, you're more than welcome to share
handles and platforms as well.

Speaker 19 (52:37):
All right, thank you so much, Tim Well. If you
would like to find one of my chapters, go to
America Tarpan Springs t R P O N Springs and
that's on Instagram. You could also follow me on Instagram, Noel,
where's goom w H E R s PO in twenty
twenty and then you could also find my writings on

(52:57):
the Western Journal. I have ant profile on there and
I have some pretty big news. I got offered an
editorialist job there, so that's absolutely fantastic. From opinions writer
to editorialists. So that's fun, and you guys will be
seeing a lot of me there, and then you could
also read me. If you're a Florida native, you could

(53:18):
also read me on the Sun Sentinel.

Speaker 8 (53:21):
Well, congratulations on the promotion. That's that is great news. Meanwhile, no,
please do not be a stranger. You are more than
welcome here. Just let me know if you've got something
that's going on that you want to join us, and
I will work you into the schedule somewhere. We love

(53:41):
having you in the Meanwhile, god speed to you, sir.
Keep up the good fight. We need we need more
happy warriors, and I get the impression that you are
one of those, just like Charlie Wiz. So thank you, sir.

Speaker 19 (53:57):
Absolutely Tim Gobless, all right.

Speaker 8 (54:01):
Ladies and gentlemen, that was mister Noah Witherspoon. Again, I
will have links in the show description. It should be
easy for those of you listening to the archives later.
That doesn't work so well for the live broadcast, but yeah,
we'll put the author page connection so you can read
him at the Western Journal. And again, if you are

(54:21):
Florida native, start looking for him in the South Florida
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in Oklahoma. All the places, all the places that is. Indeed,
ladies and gentlemen, I am. You're ever so humble and
usually normally fairly peaceful. Still kind of going back and
forth these days, very much back and forth, anger, sorrow, guilt.

(01:00:39):
I feel some guilt. I feel like I should have
been doing more so that Charlie Kirk could have done
a little less, wouldn't have to have been out there.
Of course he would have been anyway, because that's what
he loved doing. Anyway. I don't know about the rest
of you, guys, but I think it is time that

(01:01:00):
we talked to my next guest. As I mentioned at
the very top of the show about an hour ago,
I'm very impressed to the fact that he's part of
a father son writing team, because, like I said, I
don't know. As much as I loved my dad, I
don't know that I could have worked with him well

(01:01:21):
enough on a project like writing a book. That would
be a bit much. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome yet
another first time guest for the evening, co author of
the book, Gabriel Locke, Bound by Law. Ladies and gentlemen,

(01:01:41):
David Cancel. At least I hope I didn't butcher that
too badly, David, was I even close?

Speaker 11 (01:01:49):
Tim?

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Actually, that was pretty much perfect, especially for a first time,
To be completely honest with you, I've been called a
lot worse than that, So don't worry about it.

Speaker 8 (01:01:58):
Well, I do get a little nerve sometimes my East
Tennessee tongue doesn't necessarily want to have the new experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
No, don't worry about it at all.

Speaker 8 (01:02:08):
All right, Well, thank you so much for coming on
and joining us this evening. I certainly appreciate it. I
hope that everything as well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
How are you today, You know, I'm good. Still in
a bit of a state of shock, you know, obviously
you were mentioning Charlie Kirk, and unfortunately, we've gotten to
the point in this country, whether you're on the right
or the left, where you know, you voice your opinions
and you're facing pretty serious violence. You know, you had

(01:02:44):
I believe it was Senator Hordman who was shot and
gunned down in her house with her husband and her dog.
You have obviously these children that were you know, massacred
and annunciation of school, and they're not even political figures.
There's just an incredible amount of polarized violence in the
country because people feel that there are ideologies on either

(01:03:07):
side that are being threatened. Some that are ideologies of tradition,
family and patriotism, and there are others that are ideologies
of let's just say, anti societal behaviors. And you know,
it's a dark time in America. But otherwise I'm I'm

(01:03:30):
doing pretty well.

Speaker 8 (01:03:30):
Thank you, all right, Well, I mean, it is kind
of hard to move past it if you're paying attention
at all. I think one of the most kind of
hope giving things that I've seen over the last few
days is some folks on sub stack. I try to

(01:03:53):
follow enough people on both sides of they also that
I'm not stuck in an echo chamber, and I've seen
a lot of people that are struggling to process their
own feelings, and in fact, a couple of them struck
me today because they very much are of the left,
and they very much fell into the trap of taking

(01:04:16):
and seeing the small clips of what Charlie had said
and done and having them taken out of context to
make it seem so much worse than the things that
he normally said, and saw them struggling with the fact
that I feel bad about this. Is it even okay
for me to feel a bad?

Speaker 9 (01:04:34):
Am?

Speaker 8 (01:04:35):
I running the risk of being canceled, And yet they
still had the nerve to put it down on the
page and to publish it and have it there so
that gives me hope, that makes me feel a little better.
Hopefully this can be a turning point. And like I
mentioned with my last guest, who actually is a chapter
head for a turning point USA, it's I would so

(01:05:00):
much rather still have Charlie here than to have a martyr.
But if this is part of what it takes to
start the healing and bringing this back together, I'm pretty
sure Charlie would have volunteered for that. I hate to
put it in those terms, but I kind of that's
always the vibe i'd gotten from it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Yeah, I think what he I think you're completely spot on.
I think that there's a lot of the country that
is looking around saying we've gone entirely too far, you know.
I mean, I'm not going to say that it became
that it's ever healthy, but it was almost normalized, you know,
violence toward politicians. Charlie is not a politician. He was

(01:05:44):
a thirty one year old father with two kids and
a beautiful wife who you know now has to go
to the rest of her life without the love of
her life. And these two children have to grow up
without a father. And the sad part is that, you know,
they in this digital world, you can't escape it. You know,

(01:06:05):
if they ever have the curiosity to know how their
father died. They're pretty gruesome clips on their father being shot,
and it is it's absolutely horrible, and when you look
at when you look at the country, there absolutely is
a little bit of hope. I've seen a tremendous amount
of people who have turned around and said, you know what,

(01:06:26):
I disagreed with a lot of what he said, but
I mean this is wrong. There are of course is
going to be people who, unfortunately are celebrating his death.
They only have small clips of the things that he said.
But one of my favorite things that I ever heard
him say was somebody asked him, I said, you know,
why do you come to these college campuses. You know

(01:06:47):
you're going to be run out of here, and you
know you're so divisive and this and that and the other.
And he said, I'm here because the moment that people
stop talking, things go. He said, in marriages, when they
stopped talking, divorce happens. In politics, when people stopped talking,

(01:07:08):
civil wars happened. And he said, and I'm here to
make sure that that doesn't happen. And he loved this country.
I think the love that he had for this country
was really only third to his love for the Lord,
his love for his family, and that was it. You know,

(01:07:28):
his big thing was God, family, country, and that order.
And we are very lucky to have someone like Charlie
Kirk grace our lives for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:07:43):
Well, I definitely want to talk a little bit about
the book here before we go too deeply into things,
but I did kind of want to touch on another
topic with you. You graduated from North Carolina State, So
you spend a fair amount of time Inigh. You're about
a two and a half hour drive away from Charlotte.

(01:08:04):
And the one thing I know from by being a
Tennessee and who also both participated in and have followed sports,
especially at the collegiate level, there is a lot of
back and forth between the North Carolina schools. There's a
lot of traveling back and forth. It is difficult to
be in Raleigh and not spend some time in Charlotte.

(01:08:26):
It's difficult to spend to be in Charlotte not spend
some time over in Dorham. It's the rivalries are so
fierce and yet at the same time it's a great
athletic event. But as we all know, a horrific tragedy
occurred in Charlotte, and this kind of being you're old

(01:08:53):
neck of the woods, so to speak, area in which
you're relatively familiar with, Ask exactly how shocked were you
when this story broke about this poor Ukrainian girl on
public transportation who ends up losing her life because she
was just studying at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
I was mortified, I mean I was absolutely mortified. She
was stabbed in the neck, And as horrible as that is,
I think what I was more mortified by, or what
I really truly terrified me, was just not a single person.

Speaker 9 (01:09:41):
That saw this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
And I'll say that it was done with one blow.
It wasn't repeated blows, but one blow. But I'm just
shocked that nobody looked at her. I think that there
is obviously a certain amount of there's a lack of
realization as to what happened right from the people around her,
from everything I've but as soon as she slumps over,

(01:10:04):
there's no excuse. I mean, you know you're talking that
she didn't just slump over and lean against the side.
She fell down to the floor, and no one, you know,
even made a move to her for at least a
couple seconds until the clip is over. And I understand
that this individual had moved already past that area. I'm

(01:10:26):
not saying that anyone should have charged at somebody with
a knife, but at least check on her. And that part,
that part, to me, is horrendous. It goes to show
how desensitized we have become to violence, and it shows
how how much we as a society have changed toward
our neighbors. You know, this is a guy that unfortunately

(01:10:51):
he had fourteen priors. I mean, explain to me why
a guy with fourteen priors and schizophrenia is not in
the I mean, you know this is I don't understand
the soft on crime policies that we have. We're only
creating more and more chaos in a lot of these cities.

(01:11:12):
You know, you have cities like Chicago and other areas
where guns are supposedly the most restricted, and yet there's
so much gun violence. It's it's a much deeper societal
problem that is being neglected because there's not a respect
and an admiration for true law and order. There's no

(01:11:33):
real deterrent, and then that speaks volumes of how parts
of this country are run.

Speaker 8 (01:11:41):
Yeah, I mean it was so shocking to me too,
And like you, watching the footage, and thankfully all of
the release footage that's generally available is respectfully edited so
that the most gruesome aspects aren't readily available. But it's

(01:12:04):
still bad enough. But the part that was heartbreaking to me,
that crushed my soul watching was this apparent lack of empathy,
like you stated, to see these people that were so
busy just intentionally trying not to see that something was happening,
which you know, I give all the credit to the world.

(01:12:26):
If I ever freaking meet him, I'd want to shake
his hand. The guy who finally steps up and comes
over and tries to help her too late by that point,
But for goodness sake, have we really lost that much humanity?
And it's so hard for me to imagine that, especially
in North Carolina because here I, like I said, I'm

(01:12:47):
in Tennessee, so I make frequent visits into North Carolina,
and I stopped off in Charlotte several times on my
way out to the beaches, and you know, we go
across and there's so many great reasons to go to Raleigh,
and so many great reasons, especially if you were a sportsman. Again,

(01:13:09):
I mentioned that because that was the primary reason why
I spent a lot of time there in my youth.
But I I've traveled from business to other major metropolitan cities,
and I have always tried to be situationally aware, but
I never felt unsafe anywhere in North Carolina. And seeing this,

(01:13:29):
it makes me wonder if it was with my radar
just broken that much, or have things just kind of
degraded that bar.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Now things, things have degraded. You know what we what
we've seen really are the after effects of just so
many problems. So I mean so many things. You know,
think about how many people have grown up and fatherless homes.
Think about how think about how many people or are
they're completely touch with reality. I mean, you have people

(01:14:01):
in this country that because people think differently than them,
they think that all of a sudden, freedom of speech
shouldn't extend to those people. You know, they shouldn't be
allowed to reproduce. I mean, you have you have some
really really terrible things that people say and do, and
ultimately what you have is you have siphons of echo chambers.

(01:14:23):
Really all throughout social media. You know, people unfriend people
that they don't like. Is they think differently, the algorithms
push them to more extreme levels, and you know, people
are just they're they're stuck in their own world. The
regard for human life and human dignity is it's just
not the same as what it wants. You know, people

(01:14:45):
are constantly being flooded with videos, messages, everything. I mean,
it could go on for hours. But what I can
tell you is that I had never felt unsafe in
my life any single place in the United States of America.
And maybe it's a little bit different from me because

(01:15:05):
my family is from Cuba, and you know, my grandfather
on my mother's side, who left much later than my
father's side of the family. You know, he would wake
up every day and in his town, you know, people
were taken to be shot every single day. So I

(01:15:26):
don't have the same level of fear as a man
who's expecting this every single day. But what I can
tell you is that after seeing this video, seeing the
apparent randomness of it, right, this is this wasn't premeditated.
This was just the wrong person sat in front of
him on a train. He pulled out a knife and

(01:15:49):
killed her. I mean, that could have been me, that
could have been you, that could have been anybody, and
he just did. And this is the first time in
my life as assault, like at any given moment in
my life could be ended.

Speaker 8 (01:16:06):
It is a jarring thing to have to look at
and realize because she never saw it coming, she never engaged,
she was texting her boyfriend. You know, it's just a normal,
regular thing to be doing, trying to get home, and
there's an extra layer of sadness here. Insomuch as she

(01:16:28):
was a Ukrainian refugee who you know, she went through
the proper channels to come here, and once she got here,
she was loving America. She wanted to be here permanently,
she was getting herself on a path towards citizenship, and
you know all these things. She was living a great life.

(01:16:48):
She was safe away from the conflict between Ukraine and Russia.
And then just I don't know where here this comes,
and it's astounding, But you know what, David, I've got
to start talking about something more positive. Let's talk about
the book. I really do need to know. How is
it that you managed to get together with your dad

(01:17:11):
and decide that you were going to write this legal
thriller book, Because I mean, I don't know if you
heard me earlier or.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Not, but trust me, I heard you and I understand
that sentiment completely because while we managed to get it done,
that does not mean that it was not a difficult
road to get there. And I love my father so much,
but that doesn't mean that I really wanted to be
around them all the time. So I totally understand where

(01:17:44):
you're coming from.

Speaker 8 (01:17:48):
Unless you've unless you've written a book, you really have
no idea how much goes into it. And most of
the people I talked to are writing nonfiction, so they're
they're collecting all this data, and writing fiction is that
much more challenging because you have to create these characters.
But when you're writing something that's grounded, you still have

(01:18:12):
to do the same amount of research that would be
required for a nonfiction book too, at least if you
wanted to be somewhat believable. So that much effort and
that much time into telling a great story. Yeah, that
requires a level of partnership that exceeds the average person's

(01:18:34):
capability with somebody that they can just walk away from
if they had to. What led you, guys to the story?

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
So a couple of things. So in the time that
I was growing up in North Carolina, my dad actually
never stopped practicing as a lawyer in Miami. So Miami
had gotten to the point where the crime, the just
overwhelming amount of traffic, people, craziness, speed of I guess

(01:19:08):
pace of life was just so insane that my parents
took a two hundred and fifty question test and ended
up in the Carolinas with my aunt and uncle on
my dad's side and even my aunt and uncle on
my I'm sorry, even my dad's younger brother and his family.
They were supposed to move as well. They decided against it,

(01:19:31):
but you know, they had thought so as well. The
entirety of my extended family on my dad's side was
committed to moving to North Carolina, and two thirds of
us moved there. Now, my father didn't close his law practice,
so what he did was that he spent a lot
of time commuting. I want to say that he spent
anywhere from seven to eight months really in Miami. I

(01:19:52):
think at the very best it was probably six and
a half in Miami. The rest of the time was
in Raleigh, but a lot of commuting back and forth
because he just wanted to give us a better quality
of life. At that time, Miami was just going through
so many different things, and in my opinion, Miami is
not really the perfect place to raise children from everything

(01:20:15):
that I've seen, But that doesn't mean that it's not
a wonderful city with tremendous people, and it's certainly much
better now than what it was then. But we got
into writing this novel because we wanted to make up
for that lost time when the economy started crashing in
two thousand and eight. I saw my father less and
less and less my senior year of high school. I
think I saw him thirty six days. You know, it

(01:20:39):
was really it was a tough time for me, but
I had the pleasure of, you know, just talking to
my father and having a great relationship with him. Albeit
it's had its testing moments. And we decided to write
this novel together, and it's actually the first in a
series of seven books. And what's really wonderful about it

(01:20:59):
is that this series came about because of a case
that my father used to tell me when I was
seven years old, and he told me this case like
he was telling me a story, and it fascinated me.
With really all that my dad has done as an attorney,
he's an avy pre eminent rated lawyer, which is it's

(01:21:22):
a very high distinction, according to Martin Dale Hubble, not
only for his capability as an attorney, but also for
his ethical standards, and that's something that I'm extremely proud
of as his son. I can tell you that I
have learned morality primarily from two people, the first being
my father from a very young age, and later on

(01:21:44):
in life, upon learning about him from Jesus Christ, and
so I'm honored to have been able to do this
with my dad. The second book actually comes out in
just a couple of months, so that's exciting as well.
But it's really it was really a joy to be
able to do this with my dad. But the way
that we were able to get this done without murdering

(01:22:06):
each other, as difficult as it was, was that we
made a promise to each other when we got started,
and that was that, no matter what, the book was
greater than our egos. If you put egos before results,
you will never succeed. And I have worked for far

(01:22:29):
too many companies where ego was put before results, where
ego was put before innovation, and where ego was ultimately
put before people, and in all of those cases, I
have seen companies do very poorly. And that was my
big that was my big piece when he and I
got to working on this, I said, the product is

(01:22:51):
greater than our egos, and that's what enabled us to
write a book of this quality.

Speaker 8 (01:22:58):
So the book's only been out for about a year
a little bit over at this point, and you say
the new one's coming out here shortly, that that's actually
pretty quick turnaround time. Uh, did you guys actually get
multiple manuscripts basically just ready for final editing before you

(01:23:22):
went to publication with the first one, because normally, you see,
even the most of the publishers want to try and
space out books in the series a little bit more
than a year. So that's a great turnaround time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Yeah, so it's sounds so that's there's a lot. There's
a lot to that. So the very first book that
we ever wrote technically was the third book, and that
was based on that was based and inspired on a
case that my father had in Spain involving basically our

(01:23:57):
side of the family, my father's side of the family,
and that case in and of itself is it's mind
blowing some of the things that I found out about
my own family, things that trace back as far as
before the Spanish Civil War. So there's a lot there.
But we had written it and that one was just

(01:24:20):
titled Gabriel Locke because it was one book, and we
started working with an editor from Spain who turned out
who actually was a classmate of my father's way back
in the day. I had a close friend who has
had his own printing press and excuse me, on publishing
house for many years in English and in Spanish, and

(01:24:42):
I think even in French. And my dad sent it
to him and said, look, do you mind just taking
a look at this, And he said, yeah, Cheryl, you
know I'll read it, and you know, I'll let you
know what I think. He had the opportunity to read it,
and he came back to my dad and he said,
this might just be the most exciting novel I've ever

(01:25:03):
seen come across my desk. And you know, we had
other people who had read it before we ever gave
it to him, and one very close friend of mine
who's an incredibly tough critic, said that it was her
it was her favorite book after the Alchemist. She said

(01:25:23):
that only the Alchemist would be placed higher than this,
and she said, actually, if you fix some of these
smaller parts that need some work, et cetera, it could
be greater than the Alchemist. And that's really something. The
Alchemist is sold I think over one hundred and fifty
million copies. It's an incredible book. And for someone to

(01:25:47):
say that it could be better than The Alchemist, I mean,
that's very high praise. So when we took it to
the editor, he turned around and he said, you know,
this is really that good, but the problem is that
it's too big. Can you write something else? And we
said what, and he said, yeah, it's one hundred and

(01:26:09):
forty thousand words. If I cut any more than you know,
the ten thousand I've cut, I'll kill the story. He said,
but as a first book, it's enormous, and no publisher
is going to take a risk on, you know, two
unknowns with a massive book that doesn't even take place
in the United States. And so we said, oh boy.
So we started looking at my dad's cases, and you know,

(01:26:31):
we got some things together and we started writing short stories.
We were going to have a book of short stories.
We decided we were going to make two as prequels,
and so I worked my tail off for eighteen months
alongside my dad, writing all of these short stories, only

(01:26:53):
to be told later that after doing market research, short
story books don't really sell. So was there any way
we could turn them into cohesive novels? And this is
the first time that I ever actually wanted to murder
another human being, which of course I didn't. But as
you can imagine, you know, you go through all of
this stress trying to get these things done to then

(01:27:16):
be told, Hi, can you completely change this? So my
dad and I had to sit down. We had to
take the short stories. We had to see which ones
could be, you know, really cohesive and melded within a
tangible plot line. And so that's how we came out
with both Bound by Law and now that it will
be coming out Bound by Fate, which is the second book.

(01:27:39):
And we so to answer to answer your question, we
had indeed written many drafts before. However, book two had
only had two drafts by the time I tried to
take hold of this. And I will tell you that
Book two, out of the first three, was by far

(01:28:00):
the hardest one to write. I'd rather write Book one
four times over before I ever tried to write Book
two again. And the reason for that is because when
you write a second book, you're normally just building off
of the first one.

Speaker 8 (01:28:19):
Yeah, Gabriel, Gabriel Luck is Bound by Law. Everybody needs
to pick up that copy before the new one comes out. David,
I am so sorry. We are out of time. In fact,
I've went a little long because I didn't want to interrupt.
Please let everybody know where they can find the book.
Feel free to share any website you'd like to put out,

(01:28:41):
and if you're anywhere on social media and inviting people
to follow you, you're welcome to share handles and platforms
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Absolutely an apologies for being for both, but you can
find the novel on Amazon. You can also find it
on Barnes and Noble, and you can find it pretty
much anywhere the are sold. I would say that Amazon
and Barnes and Noble probably are the easiest to get it.
And my handles alongside with my dad are d nd
H Cancio or dh Cancio on Instagram and then the

(01:29:12):
Gabriel Locke series on Instagram as well as the Gabriel
Locke on Twitter or X. Thank you all so much,
Thank you so much for having me, and it's been
an absolute pleasure. Oh.

Speaker 8 (01:29:25):
I've enjoyed it very much myself. I hope we can
get together and talk more, especially after the release of
the new one, because I find the story fascinating and
as you can tell, I unfortunately know a little bit
about the bringing it to publication side to so those
are struggles I understand. Godspeed to you, David. Thank you

(01:29:46):
so much for joining us. We'll talk again soon.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
I hope, Thank you, sir. I have a blest night
on you two.

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Ladies and gentlemen. Colonel William Berner done, Colonel, thank you
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How are you today, Well.

Speaker 11 (01:36:50):
I'm doing outstanding, and thank you so much for having
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Speaker 8 (01:36:54):
Well, and I'm doing about as well as I can
be all things considered. I'm spending as much time as
I can counting my blessings, but still find myself processing
a lot of raw emotion giving the events that took
place in Utah. But these are events actually that have

(01:37:16):
been kind of overwhelming the airways. I spent a lot
of time yesterday trying to remind folks that it was
the anniversary of nine to eleven and there's bigger stories
going on right now that I'm still finding a lot
of people don't realize that even happened. They've been so
absorbed with the Charlie Kirk assassination that they don't know

(01:37:40):
that drones went into Poland and they had to actively
shoot it down. And now other NATO nations are starting
to move aircraft into the area and things seem to
be heating up. So as much as I love getting
to talk to you, Colonel, I hate having to talk
to you because your area of expertise. If we're talking,
it means something somewhere probably needs to calm down a bit.

Speaker 11 (01:38:05):
Yes, and I and I tell you it's it's it's
been a it's been a tragic week. Obviously, nine to
eleven h My wife and I sat and we watched
that on the news, and it's it's just heartbreaking to
remember twenty four years ago we were hit. It could
happen anytime again. Then you have the Russia in ne

(01:38:28):
poland you have obviously Charlie Kirk, which is, you know,
just a travesty because when when any American, regardless of
what side of the fenchure on is, is killed because
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(01:38:52):
become a precursor to World War three, which we obviously
want to prevent. So the enemy watch is our news,
just like we watched their news. And when something like
this takes a distraction. You know what I look at
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in the military, when there's a distraction in the US.

(01:39:15):
I started looking at you know, what advantage does that
give to one of our adversaries. And so as tragic
as this assassination is, it's they found the guy. They've
caught the guy. Now, we need to remember that this
country is always at risk. There are other countries that

(01:39:37):
wish to do us harm, and we need to get
back to that focus, you know, not just with our government,
but with you know, with our citizens as well. We
had an open border for four years. We don't know
how many adversaries came over that border and what they
might do. So we need to keep vigilant and make
sure we don't have another nine to eleven. And so

(01:39:59):
twenty four years now, we don't want to have another
anniversary of some tragic that happened to our nation.

Speaker 8 (01:40:06):
Absolutely, yeah, I certainly appreciate that, and it is certainly
something that is almost difficult though to impress upon the
average person. We live in a time where the majority
of our culture wants to bury their head away from

(01:40:26):
the news and not pay attention to these things. And
they're almost angry when those of us who see disturbing
patterns that we need to pay attention to. We try
to bring it to their attention. They almost get mad
at us for doing it. But looking at this situation,
you know, between that and Israel striking in Qatar, a

(01:40:50):
lot of moving parts with some folks that are adversarial
not just to Israel but to the United States as well.
We're literally looking at some powder kegs that look like
they're about to pop off. But I was impressed, colonel,
and I know this kind of flows into your area

(01:41:11):
of expertise given your time as a helicopter pilot. I
was impressed with Poland's ability to shoot down these drones
because we've seen drones, especially in larger numbers, effectively used
as weapons. And whether this was accidentally as the Russians
are claiming, an accidental error, mistake, whatever, or maybe just

(01:41:33):
testing NATO's current resolve, whichever it might have been, it's
kind of impressive to see them be as effective at
taking this down. But then I'm a layman. Was this
as impressive to you or did this look like what
Poland should be able to do. I'm curious as to

(01:41:53):
what this really means, since, again, like I said, I'm
a layman watching and I'm just the and I'm seeing
an aerial show. I'm not understanding all of the technical
things from the military aspect to be able to accomplish this.

Speaker 11 (01:42:10):
Well. Well, first of all, with today's technology, I do
not believe that the Russians accidentally flew their drones over
the border. Now it's okay for Poland to say that
and for Russia to say that, so we de escalate
the situation. But behind the scenes, I'm certain Russia did

(01:42:30):
this on purpose, and I'm certain Poland knows they did
it on purpose. But what we don't want to do
is turn and what was probably a probe into the
beginning of World War three. So the best way is
Poland took all the drones out. There was no damage
or minor damage. I would say what I would do,
the only thing I would do if I was NATO

(01:42:51):
and or Poland, is increase my border anti air capability,
whether we bring in more of our systems or natosystem
or just plus it up so you're not escalating a
aggressive attack capability that would cause Russia to increase their

(01:43:12):
move And so right now, what I think Russia would
be doing. If I was Russia, what I'd be doing
is a probing attack, which is what they could have
been doing. See how Poland Sile NATO responds, and then
they will now take this information and go back to
their planners and figure out what their next step is,
which could be nothing or maybe it's going to be more.

(01:43:36):
You just don't know. Russia is not doing well in Ukraine.
They've been unable to win there. It's drained them militarily, financially,
and they've lost tremendous prestige militarily on the world stage.
I trained so many years on how to fight Russia,

(01:43:58):
Russian systems, Russian hellics, Russian jets. We would literally train
that our aircraft would fly fly a profile of our
Russian aircraft and we would fly against their helicopter same way.
And that's what our military did for decades. And then
they go into Ukraine and you realize that a lot

(01:44:19):
of that was they were much a paper tiger, and
we over planned and we were over concerned, which is
the way you got to be right. You have to
be ready to fight you and beat your adversaries. And
I'm certain we would have been able to destroy them.
So but something is unsettled, and that is obviously the
Russian Ukraine War, and we're not necessarily any closer to

(01:44:43):
solving that. So I believe the Poland incursion was on purpose,
and I do believe it was to judge the reaction
of not only Poland, but of NATO.

Speaker 8 (01:44:58):
How would you write NATO's response to this point. I mean,
we had a step up to the Article four level,
meaning they were going to have this big meeting. And
like I said the news today, some of the other
NATO nations are moving assets into Poland to help shore
up their defenses. Is that adequate? Is that sending a

(01:45:19):
strong enough message based on your experience, or is this
maybe just another escalation that if not handled properly, could
make things worse.

Speaker 11 (01:45:31):
Well, absolutely, if it's not handled properly, it could make
things worse. And I think to me, I think one
of the next steps will be is I believe this
and I don't know this, but I believe we will
see a future conversation with President Trump and putin that's
probably what he respects. I do not think he respects NATO.

(01:45:57):
I think he is just testing them. You know, I
would be careful at putting any offensive capability outside of
air air defense, and if you use the aircraft there,
make sure that you're seen as defensive aircraft that will
you know, defend Poland. What you don't want to do

(01:46:19):
is put an offensive capability so close to Russia that
it causes them to overreact. And whenever you have two entities,
and right now the entity would be NATO and Russia,
and they start to get closer and closer than the
possibility of an you know, an accident if you will,

(01:46:42):
or a misunderstanding that can escalate rapidly becomes very possible
and sometimes probable. So I just want to I want
everyone to slow down right now, focus on ending the
war between Ukraine and Russia, and look at diplomatic sanctions

(01:47:07):
maybe on Russia if they continue this, and then obviously
if they do it again, then we're all going to
know that it was intentional. You know, they can play
the they you know, think about this. When you're a
country that's supposed to be one of our peer competitors
and you admit to the world that you don't know
how to program your drones navigation capability, that's a telling

(01:47:30):
story that I'm certain nobody is buying as authentic.

Speaker 8 (01:47:37):
Certainly seems unlikely. You know. The thing that concerns me
it feels like that this is more of a still
a posturing move to try and strengthen a hand before
going into negotiations, and that's certainly what I hope, because
I don't see any advantage to provoking NATO and actually

(01:48:00):
creating an incident, even if they don't respect the European
nations at this point, and there's an argument to be
made that they haven't done the greatest of jobs. The
majority of the UK, maybe most of the rest of
NATO has kind of been resting on the umbrella of
the United States to defend them, So I still don't

(01:48:26):
see it as being advantageous, but it just seems really,
really odd, especially at this stage in the game, when
Vladimir knows that Donald's patients is starting to run short
and he really wants to end the war and bring
people to the table. Seems an odd move to try
and do this probing movement unless there's something else at

(01:48:49):
play in your experience, does this have the feel of
just an additional show of strength for negotiating or is
there maybe something more going on that might be a
bit more hostile on the back end.

Speaker 11 (01:49:12):
Well, I have an hypothesis of this right now, putin
has got to get out of Ukraine. I think everybody
understands that he's got to get out of Ukraine. But
he has to get out of Ukraine and save face.
He has to maintain his WATA inside Russia as well
as in the world stage. So if you create an
incident with NATO that escalates this, and then you use

(01:49:41):
getting out of Ukraine as a de escalation, then you
may be able to pitch this that you know, NATO
was the aggressor here, we did nothing, but because we
don't want to go to World War three, we're going
to back out, and we're doing this to save Russia.
That could be a methodology that he's thinking, you know,

(01:50:02):
create an incident, created a version that makes it look
like bad things are going to happen for the world,
and then use that as your face saving off ramp
to then finally get out of Ukraine and then we
have peace, and then Putin becomes the peace broker, if
you will, and look what he did to save the
world because of NATO's aggression. That's one play that I

(01:50:27):
think he's trying to develop on the chessboard is make
it look like NATO is ramping up against Russia. And
then use that as your off ramp. That's just one possibility,
you know, That's my thought.

Speaker 8 (01:50:45):
Yeah, well, I certainly hope it's something more along those lines,
because while I see that and I'm certainly hoping that
that is the route to go, I also know that
Number one, Vladimir has been very very specific about his
ambitions of the legacy. He wants to leave once he's

(01:51:06):
no longer in charge. He wants to rebuild the Russian Empire.
Poland's going to be a big part of that if
it ever comes to it. And you certainly not ready
to make a move at this point, but maybe just
testing the waters. But I could certainly still see this
new little alliance with China. China would love for there

(01:51:29):
to be a distraction in Europe that would afford them
an easier opportunity to make a move against Taiwan. They've
got no shortage of sophisticated military drones that Iran is
spitting out like gumballs from one of those old penny machines.

(01:51:51):
They've got enough resources that if they pulled together, they
could hold folks at bay and start the kind of
trouble that they're looking to escalate. My fear is that
something like that might be at least in the works,
testing the waters, making the move. I certainly hope that

(01:52:11):
we're nowhere's near that, But again, China really doesn't care
if Russia survives, because we know Russia, China, even Iran,
in their theocrisy, they all believe they're going to end
up running the world. So it's okay to have a
temporary alliance against the evil Satans of the West. That's

(01:52:33):
I think the scariest trajectory. I certainly hope that we're
nowhere's near that, but that does kind of lead us
back around towards what's happening in the Middle East. And
we've only got a little bit of time left. But
I do want to get your take on how effective
Israel's strike in Qatar was. It was this meant to

(01:52:54):
just simply be a we can get you anywhere, no
matter where you're hiding, you need to stop, as far
hamas leaderships concerned, or was this intended to be a
more effective effort at trying to take the head off
the snak.

Speaker 11 (01:53:10):
But you know, that's a great question. One of one
of my folks was it was in Doha and they
sent us video of the aftermath, So they were right
down the road when this took place. Fortunately they were
they were safe, and Okay, there's there's three things at
play here. In my mind. The first thing is did
Cutter and was Cutter openly supporting Hamas. There's no indication

(01:53:35):
of that. But these folks, the Hamas, were operating inside
a Cutter in one of their major cities, So that
is a question for a later discussion. Israel showed that
they can strike Hamas anywhere, and their intel is exquisite
enough to where they're going to find you. The question is,

(01:53:57):
did they behind the scenes discussed with Cutter that they
were coming, or did they give them a warning. We
know they gave according to our administration, they gave us
a warning, and then the US supposedly was going to
give Cutter a warning just because we're doing that. But
maybe behind the scenes there was some support between Cutter

(01:54:20):
and Israel. We don't know that. I would like to
believe it's something like that took place because Hamas is
bad for Cutter, just as it's bad for Palestine, because
Hamas is causing all of these things that are triggering
Israel to fight, which is causing this humanitarian crisis. So

(01:54:42):
how that played out is key, and we'll probably never
know right that, We're never going to know the answer
because if somehow there was a coordination, Cutter's never gonna
openly admit that it, neither will Israel. Yeah, the method
to Hamas is the Signaltemas is wherever you go, Israel's

(01:55:02):
going to find you. So ideally you'll Israel is their
intent is to kill them all, or to not disrupt them,
but cause them to see there's no more value in
attacking Israel and to abandon their aspirations. If that can

(01:55:25):
happen and literally abandon them, then then they'll never be peace.
In my opinion, they'll never be total peace, but there
could be temporary, a temporary yet long ceasefire, if you will,
maybe in two years, maybe a decade, if you can
get both sides to see that the continued fight is

(01:55:46):
not winnable on either side and not worth the fight.
Because I guarantee you from everything what you're seeing from Israel,
they are not stopping until the threat is gone, and
the threat will either be killed or the will leave
the battlefield, you know, never to come back, or else
they're never going to stop and I believe that. I

(01:56:07):
clearly believe.

Speaker 8 (01:56:08):
That, oh, Colonel, as much as I hate to, because
there's still so much more to talk about, we are
very much out of time. So I want to give
you a chance one more time to remind everybody where
they can find the book, and please share any websites
you would like to, and if you're inviting people to
follow you anywhere on social media, share those handles and

(01:56:31):
platforms as well.

Speaker 11 (01:56:34):
Well. Thank you in Gunfighter's Rule. It's a great book.
I think you'll enjoy it. You can get it on
Amazon dot com or wherever you buy books. The website
is Colonel William Dunn dot com and then I'm on
Facebook at three sixty nine burner, So if you hop
on there and see me, and if you get the book,
I hope you enjoy it, and I hope everyone has
a outstanding and pray for you know, this disruption in

(01:56:58):
the force that's taking place in this country over the
last few days.

Speaker 8 (01:57:02):
Yes, sir, all right, Colonel again, thank you so much
for taking time out of your schedule and coming and
talking to me and this audience we all appreciated and
the service that you provided the country in uniform and
the service you continue to provide even now. God speak
to you, sir, and look forward to our next conversation.

(01:57:24):
Hopefully we'll have some positive turn of events to talk
about when that happens. Thank you, sir, Yes.

Speaker 11 (01:57:32):
Sir, that's right. You have a great day. Thanks for
having me, all.

Speaker 8 (01:57:35):
Right, sir, you too, Ladies and gentlemen. Colonel done. What
else can I say? There will be links in the
show description if you're listening to the archives, and I meanwhile,
that's got to be it for tonight. In fact, I've
probably already been cut off a network, so we're just
doing this for the podcast now for the archives. But
thank you so much for listening.

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