Voiding Pardons, Trump / Zelensky & A Noble Look At EDS

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And yes, we are all right. That's very good. That
means it is indeed time to welcome to the radio
show for the first time. Like I said, though she
has already joined us once over at the Rumble Channel.
She is an attorney, she is an author, she's a poet,
she is an all around well rounded individual and, like

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I said, among other great things, ladies and gentlemen, please
welcome to the show, Miss Leslie Gorbli. Leslie, thank you
once again for spending some time with me and my audience,
this time on the live radio show. How are you
doing today?

Speaker 5 (07:51):
Doing great? Thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
All right, I'm looking very much forward to the conversation today.
There's so much going on again, and it seems like
every five minutes there's a new legal angle, and I
want to discuss that. But because we are on a
new platform as opposed to your last visit here, different

(08:14):
audience to a degree. Tell everybody a little bit about
silent suffering.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
Sure, so I wrote a book of an analytic book
of poetry. So the poems focus more on philosophy and
stimulus of the mind rather than the five senses, and
it does use meter as well, meter and rhyme, which
I think are kind of almost hard to find in
poetry these days. But yeah, so it critiques progressive culture
and postmodern sort of beliefs that are dominant on the left,

(08:43):
primarily because I think there's not enough viewpoint diversity in
those kind of artistic endeavors, and because it seems that
culturally speaking, there's a strong awareness of pathologies that can
crop up in religious or traditional cultures, but not a
corresponding understanding of how progressive culture can create marginalization and pain.

Speaker 6 (09:02):
All Right, So it's been out for a little bit. Now,
what has been the general reaction to your book of poetry,
Because I would imagine a lot of people have been
very receptive, and I would imagine since you're kind of
critiquing the folks that like to dabble in the council culture,
that you may have gotten some pushback to.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Sure.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
So it was fun writing though. So I wrote the
poetry collection by going to local bars and coffee shops
in the Salt Lake City measure area to perform them.
And it was interesting because a lot of the people
who responded positively. Were sort of the type of people
who probably would generally shy away from po poetry, who
don't really see a lot of value in the medium.
So I think it succeeded in reaching audiences that generally

(09:46):
aren't interested in that form of communication. And then I
did almost get kick out a bar for reading a
poem critiquing abortion, So.

Speaker 7 (09:53):
That was fun.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
Well, you know, some folks just don't know how to
enjoy themselves. And yeah, take a little bit of reflection
on what's going on. All right, let's jump into the
lawyerly side of your mindset.

Speaker 8 (10:17):
You know.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
One of the biggest things that has been making its
way around the Internet and through the news cycle for
the past week or so it has been this issue
about Joe Biden's use of the autopen, especially when it
comes to some of his last minute pardons when he
was on his way out the door.

Speaker 8 (10:38):
And the.

Speaker 6 (10:42):
Idea that simply using the autopen is enough to invalidate
I think is being misconstrued. That alone is not there.
But if it, if it comes down to it, the
use of the autopen could have instituted that someone other
than Joe Biden actually did the sign on his behalf.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Sure.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
So there's the use of the autopen itself, which I
think frankly there wouldn't be much of an issue with
that if it didn't if his mental acuity weren't called
into question, right, So we've been using autopen for quite
some time now, I do. I think it was Alan
Durswitch who pointed out the difference between the use of
autopen as it relates to assigning legislation perhaps versus other
executive actions such as pardons. That being said, I think

(11:27):
it is clear to the problem like even the Democrats,
even tho it was on the Democratic side that Joe
Biden wasn't exactly fit for office, particularly after he pulled
out of the presidential race, and then you know, kind
of went into further decline, like we kind of increasingly
didn't see much from him. And yeah, there's a genuine
cause for the public to be concerned about some of

(11:48):
the flurry of action that occurred right before he exited
office and Trump was inaugurated. So I think that's probably,
I would guess, the likely backdrop of why the Trumpman
stra so concerned. I am really curious to see if
they move forward with that though, you know, how Trump
bloviate is online if'll sale kinds of things. So I'm
really curious to see if they actually pull out specific

(12:09):
orders and make arguments. It would like we land in
court to the the a specific order being void or
a specific pardon for example, Like I don't know any
any specific issue that they might pull out of this
broader concern regarding Biden's competency.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
Yeah, well, in a lot of ways, this puts us
into very unchartered territory. Our last time that we got together,
we were primarily discussing birthright citizenship and we covered a
couple of items there, and it really comes down to
how you interpret the idea of what constitutes being under

(12:47):
the full jurisdiction of Very simple, you would think, and
yet there's a lot of wickle room there. This is
very different argument though. How would we even go about
litigate getting this considering that you would literally have to
prove that Biden had no intention of doing it or

(13:07):
didn't understand what was happening, right, And how can we
do that? Now? It seems like it could be enough
client regardless, right.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
So it's somewhat unfortunate because you know there are costs
from protocols in place for ensuring you know, that you
don't have a president that's incompetent. So it would be
nice if maybe some of those things have been you know, uh,
if the issue had been addressed that way. Let's just
say it that way, right, If the issue had been
addressed maybe the way it should have, we wouldn't be
here now we are. I think there's all kinds of

(13:35):
opening new questions frankly on that on that issue. As
far as legally speaking, proving that he was completely unaware
is a pretty high bar, right, It's pretty difficult to
prove so mentally incompetent. That being said that, her report
did say Biden's mental capacity was one of the reasons,
it's not the sole reason that he you know, wasn't
looking at potential criminal parnial liability for you know, offenses

(13:59):
that were quite similar for prettyuce the same as what
Donald Trump was. You know, I think that there's a
lot of questions there, But unfortunately, I think it'll be
really difficult to know what that would look like. Again,
proving fraud in the court of law or proving that
kind of mental accompetency would be really difficult because obviously
those who if they were trying to trick Biden, for example,

(14:21):
into signing an order he didn't understand, or were signing
something for him on his behalf and he had not consented,
would of course be you know, live level for all
kinds of of They would face a lot of legal
liability for that because it's fraudulent. But that being said,
this kind of arguments would be very difficult to prove.
That doesn't mean that I don't know. I don't know
if the Trump administration is willing or planning on investigating

(14:44):
these matters, what that would look like. That's what I'm
kind of curious, you know, to see what they end
up doing. If there's like a specific set of orders
pardons for example, that they want to target as once
they don't think are valid.

Speaker 6 (14:57):
Right, Yeah, I mean, they really would have have to
essentially investigate and have somebody willing to testify that they
did it and be willing to take the heat. Almost
about the only way that anything could come of it.
But what would it even look like seeing something like
that undone Such a protocol has been avoided at all

(15:21):
costs in the past when a legitimate signature has ever
been questioned, is there even really a constitutionally valid remedy
For that.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
I would think would depend on the order, you know.
I mean, for example, if it was incarceration, if someone
was incarcerated and then freed, reincarcerating, I would say, would
be really I think that would be considered valid. Frankly,
I think that would be pushing it. That doesn't mean, however,
that there aren't other Again, it would have to you
have to look at the specifics of what exactly was
the order seeking to do and to what extent could

(15:56):
that be undone? To what extent has already occurred? Right,
it's an incarcerated individual has been freed, you know you
are going to be subsequently than reincarcerating them after that, Right,
So it kind of depends on what exactly the specific
order was intended to do. So for example, if it
was a part of it, if a partner was said
to be noulified, then okay, that individual could the investigate

(16:18):
investigated and that parton doesn't sick. That's so that's an
easier thing to nullify. Right, So some actions are easier
legally to be undone in a sense than others. So
I think it would depend on, Like I said, what
what exactly was the action that the president was taking
and to what degree has that already even occurred.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
Yeah, I guess the real question at this point comes
down to, Uh, if you do adjudicate it, if you
have a reasonable argument, is there the will by the
judicial system at the moment, Do we have judges in
place that would be willing to act on it? Or
would they much prefer to pretend like there's no way

(17:00):
of knowing whether this mental state was at the time
this happened. It seems unlikely to change anything, even if
they could prove I would love to see unvalidated, unduly
unconstitutional pardons that are just blanket pardons that don't specify

(17:23):
anything for people who've never even been charged with anything,
at least to this point. I'd love to see that invalidated,
because that seems like a stretch too far for the
constitutional authority. But in the Constitution they did not limit
it in such a question, presumably because they never foresaw
a time were a president's corrupt enough to do something

(17:47):
so netharious if it wasn't attempt to cover up crime,
would have been permitted to stay in office long enough.
But be that as it may, Speaking of the judges.
There's a lot of other legal stuff going on that
I'd like to try and sneak in to the conversation too,
and that has a lot to do with this ongoing
effort by multiple judges to try and they're trying to

(18:11):
put the brakes on a lot of the things that
the Trump administration is trying to accomplish, including the removal
of members of Trend de Agua, and it just seems
so counterintuitive for what should be transpiring. A lot of
this still comes back to two basic questions. Number one,

(18:32):
do the courts in question have the authority to intervene
in the first place? And number two, if it has
to go to the Supreme Court to be finally reckoned,
do we have an instance where these lower courts should
face some type of penalty for possibly overstepping their bounds

(18:54):
between the separation of powers?

Speaker 5 (18:56):
I would guess it interesting. So a couple of things,
and these are broad legal principles, just so that your
audience in those because I think right now a lot
there's a lot that's gonna be happening at the appellate level,
and I probably thinks that will happen to great coort
level that we will clear some of this up. But
broadly speaking, the Agussia Francis have very broad authority over
immigration and enforcing border control things of that nature. That

(19:19):
being said, my understanding of the law that and it's
not on the top of my head, I don't have
it in front of me, but the law that Trump
is relying on for some of these quicker deportations, they're
likely it seems like there's a due process because ern
perhaps with the courts, because it's not clear so illegal
aliens aren't citizens, right, so they enjoy the full perfections

(19:39):
of citizenship. But there are aspects of due process that
courts have granted in like criminal proceedings and whatnot. And
so my guess is this is probably one of those
issues that will be litigated really heavily. There's a lot of,
in my opinion, gray area, and there's gonna be a
lot of arguments on both sides here. But I'm really
curious to see where this in particular goes, because it

(20:03):
kind of hits that strong broad executive authority that the
president enjoys to control the border, which is squarely within
the confines of executive authority against Like I said, to
what extent to illegal aliens have due process rights under
the Constitution, and those two things are intention I think
at this point.

Speaker 6 (20:24):
Right, well, you know, there's even still the question on
the nationwide injunctions for district courts, and that seems to
be something that's been kind of allowed to become president
even if it was originally based on questionable judicial theory.
What's your impression of that particular aspect of some of

(20:47):
these cases.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
Oh, you mean the injunction aspects, you know what. That's
interesting because, yeah, the injunctions. It's like, we're increasingly in
such a politically volatile culture and like just generally our
country is so politically volatile, but that's leading certainly into law.
So law fair, which is how it'sally called, is just
you know, use of law to an attempt to achieve

(21:09):
a specific political end.

Speaker 9 (21:10):
Right.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
So you have your political agenda and you're trying to
kind of craft for legal arguments to enact that agenda, right,
And that's becoming increasingly common across both sides of the aisle,
and injunctions are It's interesting because I do wonder at
what point while Supreme Court try to step in on
the use of injunctions because those being used frankly politically
by either side. This is again another broad principle, is

(21:32):
really damaging, in my opinion, to the integrity of the
judicial system. You don't want it to look like judges
are using injunctions as a way to fault a policy
they don't like, or to make sure a policy gets
to move forward that they do like. Does that make sense?
You don't want that to be the basis, and I
think increase. I think this use of injunctions and constantly

(21:54):
seeking them and the kind of like politicization of the
intercontinual interacting of the political and judicial systems is somewhat poisonous.
And I think it's going to be a very very
rocky ride moving forward because law and politics are obviously
always intertwined. But you want the legal processes to look

(22:14):
a political and to be a political not just to
look that way, but to be that way right, based
on principle that applies equally to all. And I think
that that's again we're in such a polarized environment that
that polarization is touching all fasts of society, including the
legal system.

Speaker 8 (22:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
Yeah, I think that's where the biggest loss of faith
in all of our institutions is really kind of falling
from the Americans simply don't typically trust any part of
the government to have the average citizen's best interest at heart,
and they know a lot of competing interest or at play,
and a lot of it has to do with somebody

(22:54):
getting paid or somebody moving and advancing a political agenda,
even if they're supposed to be in a a political position.
And we see a lot of that, especially when it
comes to trying to address issues like human trafficking that
should be a pretty straightforward bipartisan movement, and yet something

(23:15):
that non political has become politicized in the effort for
blue team to beat red team and vice versa.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
Yes, and the use of injunctions for what it's worth
you seem less common. That's why I'm curious that's the
Court will weigh in on how are these to be used?

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Right?

Speaker 5 (23:33):
I mean, it's becoming again there's a lot more litigation,
I think in some ways as there used to be
on some of these issues, partially because Donald Trump, frankly
is a very list He creates generates a lot of litigation,
and I think his agenda inherently does that. And I
don't think he's shying away from that right now. I
think he's anticipating a lot of litigation to come out
of a lot of his moves, and that, of course,

(23:53):
is kind of what you would expect to happen if
you poke the bear of bureocracy, right, if you kind
of mess with status quo and you pocal hornets mess,
you should expect, you know, to get bit And frankly,
that's a lot of what this litigation is. There's no
shock I think that that's happening. But I do wonder,
you know, because there's been open kind of an open
into question in different judges is justices I'm sure have

(24:14):
different views on how lower courts should issue in junctions,
so I do wonder if that will eventually crop up.
But you know, the Supreme Court shies away from answering
questions that are perceived to be political, so that you know,
that's also true, So I think it will. You know,
we're going to kind of have to to watch how
some of these things unfold. But I don't think that
the litigation, for what it's worth, where the increasing politicization,

(24:34):
is going to go away after a Trump presidency, because
the you know, two sides of our country are not
really getting along quite well, and I don't think that unfortunately,
I don't think that they are likely to reconcile anytime soon.
So some of these issues are going to be outstanding,
I think, for quite some time.

Speaker 10 (24:50):
Right.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
It just still it seems to be such a drastic
change from the idea that a judge had authority in
court and its court based on what level the court
was set at, had districts, and it had authority to
issue orders and constraints and all these things involving the

(25:15):
individuals before him and court. And so you would see
similar or almost identical or exactly identical with just different
people cases being ruled differently in different districts. So this
idea somehow to make it simpler, to streamline it, I suppose,
it still seems counterintuitive for how the system's built to work.

(25:38):
One more question, especially involving some of these injunctions, And
I came across this breading one of the legal scholars
that I try to follow when there's this kind of
thing going on, and they recommended bringing back kind of
an older idea that has been used in the US courts.

(26:01):
But we're really born out of the uh the old
English courts and that was a writ of prohibition. Uh,
since some of these injunctions were placed and there wasn't
an opportunity to uh to to get a remedy or
here now I'm stumbling over my words, to get a

(26:24):
reasonable appeal before whatever was ordered. Is is that something
reasonable to to try to bring back into more common use?

Speaker 5 (26:32):
And huh, that's probably a usual approach to it. I
haven't heard that specific approach. I'd like to read a
little bit more about what that would look like in practice.
But I mean, I do think we need, frankly something,
I mean, what's going on right now I don't think
is in the in the country's best interest. And I
say that genuinely, is you know, not just I think

(26:53):
I wish more Americans could look at it as this
isn't in the best interests of America from the left
or right perspective. You know, you don't want either side
to feel as if, you know, the country to feel
as if the president's you know, whether a specific political
agenda is enacted is a function of politics, right, Like,
that's the core issue, I think, you know, because if

(27:15):
people you know obviously have never one broadly agreed that
all these decisions were a political there wouldn't be a problem, right,
But clearly that's you know, it's harder to view it
that way given the polarization that is, you know, just
baked into our culture right now, and that you know
obviously has hit the bench as well. So and I'm
not I'm not making commentary on any specific conjunction, just

(27:36):
that that's the context in which this is occurring, right,
And so I think we're all aware of that, and
that there needs to be some kind of My hope
is that there's some kind of a you know, way
out of this this mess, such that we can maybe
get to a point where the judiciary is seen as
is seen and in fact is largely speaking a political
You'll obviously never have perfection in that realm, but you know,

(27:57):
I think there's a lot of room for improvement.

Speaker 6 (28:00):
All right. All right, Well, Leslie, I want to thank
you again for coming on and joining us today. You've
been very gracious with your time, and your perspectives are
certainly very interesting, and from the feedback I got from
your appearance on the Rumble Channel, I think the radio
audience is going to enjoy it just as much before

(28:21):
we stay final goodbyes. Please let everybody know where they
can find your book, and feel free to share any
other websites that you would like. And if you're inviting
people to follow you on social media, feel free to
share handles and platforms.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
Sure things in My website is Lesliecorbi dot com. If
you go there you'll find a copy of the book.
It's also on Amazon Amazon dot com. You can type
in silent suffering. I'm on Instagram. I can just type
my name in Leslie corbily or at Corbi underscore Leslie,
so that's an easy way to find me on Instagram.
X is also easy. I'm verified blue check mark. Just
my name Leslie Corbi be super easy to find. So

(28:58):
would love to have your listeners follow up or purchase
a copy of the book. I think it's fantastic, uh,
and that they would get a lot of value out
of reading poetry that's not really written from you know,
the perspective of most modern poetry, so quite bit more analytical, philosophical.
It throws its some cultural commentary as well.

Speaker 6 (29:15):
Anything that helps people to think is a good thing. Leslie. Again,
thank you so much, and I hope we can get
together and continue the conversation because we know, uh, these
legal questions aren't going away anytime soon. Thank you so much, God,
spe thanks you for having me. All right, everybody goes

(29:37):
on the chair, everybody.

Speaker 11 (29:39):
You know going to you know, my mind's going to
blank now, I can't remember to lose. My mind's going
to blank.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Now what's going on here? Where the hell are My
mind's going blank?

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Now?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
I can't remember. I don't know what I was talking about.
My mind's going to blank now, Thank you forgetting that resident.

Speaker 7 (30:00):
Where am I no idea?

Speaker 12 (30:01):
Last night the television television, I was on the telephone
rapidly rushing.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
With with I don't know COVID is more than one year.
Here's a live inflected the day and HDI.

Speaker 13 (30:20):
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fan against aggression. That makes me unless it near dear
you and you would like to be able to.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
Anyway.

Speaker 11 (30:42):
I've my mind going blank now, I can't remember the
low track. My mind's going blank.

Speaker 6 (30:49):
Now what are you talking? What the hell is going
on here?

Speaker 11 (30:51):
Where my mind's going to bank.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Now, but I can't remember. I don't know what I
was talking about, but it might have been in here.

Speaker 12 (30:57):
My mind's going to bank now where am I head?

Speaker 6 (30:59):
For nerve President?

Speaker 3 (31:01):
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to enlighten you about the abuse of power, because that's
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back to the show mister Fred Lucas. Fred, thank you
so much for coming back on with us tonight. Before
we jump into anything at all, how are you today,

(39:50):
don't he Are you doing well? Thanks for asking, appreciate that,
all right. Obviously, recently there has been a lot to
do in regards to the current relationship between the Trump
administration and the Zelensky administration over in Ukraine. I got

(40:12):
rather tenuous recently. You've made the point that it had
been a very cordial one previously. In fact, the relationship
between Trump and Zelensky had kind of led to one
of those impeachment attempts that you're kind of talking about
in abusive power. What do you think is the most

(40:35):
important aspect right now of the current relationship that our
legacy media just doesn't seem to want to talk about.

Speaker 18 (40:44):
Well, I think I think you can look at what
have become two historic conversations between Trump and Zolensky, and
one I get pretty in depth into in my book
Abusive Power, which which actually ended up leading to that
first Trump impeachment. But and I think what's pretty uh,

(41:08):
there's a great irony about these two conversations that became
pretty historic. The first was this that that phone call
Trump called it a perfect phone call. It might not
have been a perfect phone call. Back in twenty nineteen,
shortly after a Lensky got elected. Key here is that
Lensky got elected in a lot of similar ways. If

(41:30):
you read the transcript of that call, they had a
pretty jovial conversations. Lensky talked about how he sort of
followed a lot of Trump's tactics and campaign and so
forth in terms of he as Lensky was pretty much
a TV personality in Ukraine and he ran against the

(41:51):
establishment in Ukraine and that that's how I won. If
you saw a lot of the same thing in the
United States, and Trump was the host of the Apprentice
and ran again the d C establishment in the swamp.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Uh.

Speaker 18 (42:02):
They even talked about how they want to drain the
swamps in their respective countries. Uh So it was it
was a cordial conversation.

Speaker 16 (42:09):
Uh.

Speaker 18 (42:10):
In the course of that conversation, though, Zelensky was actually
Zelenski who brought up Rudy Giuliani, and that was in
the context of wanting to talk to Rudy Giuliani about
possibly investigating Joe Biden and whether Joe Biden had strong
armed Ukraine and the quashing of prosecution of Purisma and

(42:33):
the Peers and those courses where Hunter Biden was connected
to and making a fortune there in Ukraine. So that's
another front. Now you fast forward to twenty twenty five,
U the two had a rather contentious conversation. That's the
second really really historic conversation between Trump and Zelenski. It

(42:55):
was there. It was sort of a must see TV
for these two big celebrity, these guys who were both
celebrities before they were president. And the irony there is
that the very cordial conversation between Trump and Zelensky ended
in ended up being fodder for the Democrats to impeach Trump,

(43:20):
whereas this contentious Oval office meeting between Trump and Zelensky
looks like it's actually gonna have a positive result and
that it's going to lead to a mineral deal and
peace between a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
Right, yeah, well there's never been any doubt. Legacy media,
along with the powers that be on the globalist stage,
they don't want to acknowledge anything positive that Trump has
managed to accomplish during the first administration or this one.
I mean I still run into people every day that's

(43:57):
never heard of the Abraham Accords, Uh, something that would
have hands down won the Nobel Peace Prize a few
decades prior. And yeah, unfortunately it's become kind of a joke.
I think it's almost an insult if you win it
now based on the criteria, but just the absurdity of

(44:18):
how Trump is portrayed in relationship to how this actually
played out. This this is kind of a bit of
tough love, almost cowboy diplomacy, right yeah, yeah, it is.

Speaker 18 (44:31):
And and and and another thing, I mean, legacy media
hasn't changed that much because if you look at the
contrasting these two calls, and uh, something that's touched on
in Abusive Power my book, Uh, and that is that
the legacy media uh went along with the Democrats narrative
of that phone call a cordial phone call on they

(44:51):
said that a Trump sort of pressured and bullied Zelensky
in that call. He didn't if if you saw that, uh.
And then the twenty twenty five meeting, that Oval Office meeting,
the media narrative was that, oh my gosh, Trump was
really Trump and Dvance were really mean to Zelenski. Well,
if you look at that, and if you watch the

(45:11):
video of that forty minute meeting in the Oval Office,
which is I know people have time demands on their day,
but if you watch the forty five minute meeting there,
you'll see that it was actually Zelenski who got contentious
in that, who started saying to jd Vance, may I
ask you something? And then he went from there and

(45:32):
then it kind of went off the rails from there.
But but there again we saw the legacy media say,
oh my gosh, look look how horrible Trump was in
both cases.

Speaker 6 (45:44):
Right, yeah, it is to be expected at this point.
I suppose they don't like Donald Trump, but I think
primarily because he remains a bit of a political outsider.
He doesn't want to play by the traditional political worms.
He wants to go get stuff done. He doesn't like
the constrainment but he also understands that the art of

(46:08):
the deal is usually the art of leverage, and he
has a way of going about and doing it. And
to the uninitiated in the business world, this looks brutish
and barbaric and maybe even a bit bullish. But like
you said, if you watch the full video, and it
is a long video, it was Zelensky that didn't like

(46:31):
the idea of anything related to Vladimir Putin and the
notion of the idea of any type of diplomacy occurring
there because in his mind, he in Zelensky's mind, Putin
can't be trusted. And that's an understandable point of view

(46:52):
at this point.

Speaker 18 (46:53):
But I think in an ideal world, I mean, we
would all love to see Ukraine does march in crush Putin.
I mean, that would be an awesome thing to see, uh,
But that can't happen. There's a US could could fund
this war and bankroll this war indefinitely, uh, and we
would we would just see millions more Ukrainians die uh

(47:17):
from or Russians die uh. And I mean even if
Europe came in and did their part, pulled their load
in this, I mean, there's still not a path to
victory for Ukraine in this I mean you have to
a ceasefire or or or something along the lines of

(47:39):
a ceasefire. It might be closer to what we've had
with UH North North and South Korea, but something along
this line has to be done here because I mean,
otherwise you either have war and perpetuity or or Ukraine
eventually loses a war of attrition.

Speaker 6 (47:57):
Right well, circling back to the idea of gaining leverage,
it's something that both sides have to feel like they
are leveraged. That's what makes the United States such a
good go between it. It makes us a really good
arbitra here because we're in a position to do that,

(48:18):
even more so than the Europeans, who have much more
skin in the game and you would think would be
more interested in seeing that piece buffer there. And yet
they still have a lot of energy dependence on Russia,
so they're afraid to really draw a line in the sand.
Do you think there's going to be a point where

(48:39):
there'll finally be some acknowledgment by the media that this
might be the only way to end the conflict in Ukraine.

Speaker 18 (48:50):
Uh, that's probably doubtful from the media. I mean, if
you're you're not going to see any media organizations and
say that Trump was right about something. I don't think
And I mean I would like to hear an alternative.
I mean, if there was a way to defeat Russia,

(49:11):
I mean that that's I think that would be maybe
the ideal situation. But uh, but that's not going to happen.
Vladimir Putin, I don't think, cares how many Russian soldiers die.
He would he would fight this warrnt perpetuity because he
knows eventually Ukraine would just run out of resources to fight.
And uh and and and that's where we are. So

(49:32):
we have to look at how things are as opposed
to how we wish things were, and we need the
best outcome we can get out of this is some
type of agreement, some type.

Speaker 6 (49:43):
Of ceasefire, right, Yeah, I don't think there's any question
about it. I mean, Vladimir Putin, old guard, former KGB,
still looking to build his legacy Hesitian, I mean.

Speaker 18 (49:57):
Be pines for the days of the Soviet Union. He
thinks I was a grand all time.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
So yeah, he's been very vocal about wanting to restore
the Soviet Union, and he has a very i think opportunist, opportunistic,
but still powerful friend right now in China. So they've
built this little access with Russia China, which also then
brings in North Korea. You've got to ran also interested

(50:24):
and being Russia's friend. They've had a long standing diplomatic relationship,
they have friends that they can call upon that are
willing to above board or below board, offered the type
of support that definitely, even if there was to be
a huge movement against Russia, they still have the resources
to push forward. So yeah, the best you can do,

(50:47):
I think, and the reality is to get a cease
fire and then build something from there. But you know,
the previous administration did nothing but encourage the continuation of
the conflict. Everything that they did just put Ukrainians in
harm's way. In as much as conservatives are fed up

(51:11):
with how much money we sent and how much aid
we sent with very little appreciation, apparently since that contentious conversation,
at the end of the day, the people who are
suffering most or the Ukrainian people, And then, like you
pointed out, a fair number of Russian people who are
being sent in as cannon fodder for the front line

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in this war too.

Speaker 18 (51:33):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, And importantly here Joe Biden, I mean,
he talked tough once the war began, after the invasion happened,
but he was I mean, if you recall, he almost
gave permission for some type of invasion during one of
his confused press conferences. And going back further than that,

(51:55):
Donald Trump is the only US president in recent times
where Vadimer Putin did not invade another country, going back
to even to George W. Bush and Putin invaded Georgia.
He invaded Ukraine while in crimea while Obama's president, Obamas
and Ukraine blankets. Trump came in and he sent them

(52:18):
lethal weapons, javelins, and we didn't see more action. We
didn't see an aggressive action from Putin while Trump was president.
Once Biden was in, Putin saw that as an opportunity
that the United States had a very weak leader.

Speaker 6 (52:38):
Oh well, Fred, I'm glad that at the clock and
sadly we're already nearly out of time. So before we
say final goodbyes, I want to give you an opportunity
to let everybody know where they can find your work,
let everybody know a little bit about what's going over
at the Daily is going on over at the Daily
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long as you're inviting people to follow you on social
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Speaker 18 (53:06):
Okay, yeah, sure, thank you.

Speaker 13 (53:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (53:08):
Please check out Daily Signal dot com. That's where you'll
find my stores and a lot of great journalists there,
some colleagues, and also you can follow me on Twitter
at Fred Lucas w h and please check out my
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history of Ukraine and US as well as the crazy

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law fair against Trump. It's all in abuse of power
and you can get that on Amazon, Barnes and Noble
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Speaker 6 (53:41):
All right again, thank you so much for coming on
with us again today, Fred. It's been way too long
since your last visit. Hopefully we can get together a
little with a little bit less of a gap next time.
Love to have you back on ye hope. So all right,
God to b T. Keep up the great work, sir,
you too, have a great weekend you too, all right,

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I even saw maybe it was right before the inn
inauguration or right after, where there were journalists who were saying,
you know, it must have been right after, because there
were journalists who were saying, you know, mainstream media types
who were saying that they just they just couldn't keep up.
They were just they were exhausted. They had to take

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a break. They just they couldn't keep up with Donald Trump.
And these are the same people who covered Joe Biden
and they tried to tell us that Joe Biden was
running circles around them. So which is it, you know,
But but I am I love it. I'm glad that
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can't follow him around and ask him stupid questions and
make up stupid stories, and you know, all the better
for him.

Speaker 6 (01:06:00):
Absolutely, although occasionally I wish you would take a little
bit of a break just so we can catch our
breath exactly. Yeah, yeah, all right. I wanted to start
off talking about something that you actually wrote about over
at Gumshoe Politics rather than over at Red State I
talked about it last week on the show, and I'm

(01:06:25):
a little surprised by it, But I'm also surprised that
more people haven't jumped on this because I was calling
what happened to Derek Chauvin in the trial where he
was convicted of murdering the being a racist cop murderer

(01:06:48):
of Saint George Floyd. Once once all the information came out,
it was obvious it was political conviction. It was a
travesty of justice and the absurdity of being found guilty,
even after jurors came out and acknowledged that they voted

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that way just because they were afraid of what would
happen to their city if they didn't. It's just so
astounding to me that it now takes Ben Shapiro to
step forward and to start trying to build a grassroots
momentum to at the very least get Donald Trump to
pardon Derek Chauvin of the federal charges, which is really

(01:07:32):
all he can do. That's not all the charges he
would face, but it certainly would go a long way
towards getting him out of prison a lot faster. So
I wanted to start there and get your thoughts on
this from start to bottom, because you're out in Missouri,
and of course we know Black Lives Matter really kind
of started out there in Ferguson before anybody had ever

(01:07:55):
heard of George Floyd. So I think of all the
journal I could talk to, you maybe have one of
the best points of view to start with. As far
as the story is concerned where it's ending.

Speaker 17 (01:08:11):
Well, you know, I will tell you that that when
this first happened and that video surfaced, I was probably
like every other American that when I saw that. As
you know, we're as conservatives, we are all big supporters
of law enforcement, but when we feel like that they've

(01:08:33):
done something maybe that has crossed the line, we also
have to be honest and say, hey, that's a little
too much, and we feel like we have to call
them out on it, even though we're the biggest supporters.
So I was like everybody else when I saw that video,
and I was like, WHOA, that's just not cool. That's wrong,

(01:08:55):
that's wrong, and he needs to face some consequences for that. Well,
in the ensuing five years since, since Derek Chauvin has
gone to prison, Ben Shapiro apparently has taken it upon
himself Now, I don't know if this is with with

(01:09:17):
I wouldn't think maybe he would need permission from Derek
Chauvin's lawyers. I would think that maybe this was all,
you know, freely acquired information that he's taken it upon
himself to research this. He even and if you watch
the interview that he did with Charlie Kirk, he says

(01:09:40):
that he watched the entire trial. So there's video apparently
somewhere of the entire trial still floating around in either
and he has said Ben Shapiro has said that there
was evidence that was suppressed, It held back things that

(01:10:00):
the jury did not know. Uh, there was like you said,
there there was there were witnesses, witnesses just like here
with the Michael Brown situation, that we're afraid to speak
up and say what they really saw for fear of reprisal,
a fair fear of what was going to happen to them.
There were there was even a juror that was seen

(01:10:20):
at a Black Lives Matter rally. How how's that for uh,
fair and impartial jurisprudence, you know, But and that was
in Minneapolis, a George Floyd rally. There was a juror
of someone on the jury, Derek Chauvin's jury that was
at a Black Lives Matter protests. So he has talked about, uh,

(01:10:44):
there being two separate autopsies, uh, and the results of
both of these autopsies don't match, and just a lot
of questions that need to be answered. And you know,
first of all, I don't think that that any one
of us. You know, it's interesting because I'll backtrack a

(01:11:08):
little bit. I also wrote about this at RedState dot
com and it was a VIP piece, so it was
behind the paywall, so not everybody got to watch it.
But my intent in writing it there was to see
how many different reactions I could get. And let me
tell you, they were from one end of the spectrum
to the other. You know, there was you know, absolutely not,

(01:11:29):
don't pardon him, and there was like absolutely, you pardon him.
I mean, it was from one end of the spectrum
to the other. But you know, this guy, Derek Chauvin,
I don't believe was going to be up for Cop
of the Year. I think I don't. I don't think
any one of us think that he was going to
be up for Officer the Officer of the Year. Having

(01:11:53):
said that, on one of the comments that I got
on my Red State piece was from some one who
said that they had been in law enforcement, and when
I mentioned the number of complaints, which I believe it
was seventeen that he had received, this person said, if
you happened to be a cop, and apparently maybe not

(01:12:15):
just a white cop, but just a cop in general
in a largely minority area, that seventeen complaints was small potatoes.
That it that it's that was not uncommon. I don't
know that because I'm not a law enforcement officer. All
I can do is go buy the comment that this
person said. But I think here's and here's here's my thing.

(01:12:36):
Like I said, Derek Chauvin was not going to be
up for Cop of the Year. But in this country,
whether you love or hate someone, and I think we've
seen this with Donald Trump more most recently, whether you
love or hate someone, that is not how we judge
their guilt or innocence. You know, you can hate Derek

(01:12:59):
Schouvn's guts, but if there is evidence that is going
to show that he is innocent of this crime, that
needs to come forward. And yeah, like you said, if
Donald Trump were to pardon him, he's only going to
be able to pardon him on federal charges. He's still
what would happen was that he and Ben Shapiro explained

(01:13:20):
this that he would be transferred. I believe he's in
a federal prison in Texas right now, that he would
be transferred from a from the federal prison to a
state prison obviously in Minnesota. And it could you know,
based on you know, I'm sure a lot of legal
circumstances that I certainly don't know that if that were

(01:13:43):
to happen, it might be able to shave some time
off of his state prison time. But you know, that's
my thing. You can love him or hate him, but
if there is if there is evidence out there that
the public needs to see that has not been seen before,
that needs to come out, and then and then let's

(01:14:05):
judge his guilt or innocence.

Speaker 19 (01:14:07):
Right.

Speaker 17 (01:14:07):
But I think you know as well as I do
and everyone listening that in Minnesota, Tim Walls and Attorney
General Keith Ellison are going to keep Derek Chauvin behind
bars until the last possible nanosecond that they can. There
would there's I don't believe there would be any way.

(01:14:28):
I would be really surprised, if he would be successful
in either getting a new trial, even even having any
new evidence scene, I think would be it would be
a steep hill, I would think in Minnesota. So but
it'll be interesting to see what happens. If anything. I
definitely think that Shapiro has made a statement that he

(01:14:50):
had been in contact with with Derek Chauvin's legal team, uh,
and I think his exact quote was to see what
they were interested in pursuing. So, you know, it seems
to me that Ben Shapiro is a pretty tenacious guy.
And I don't think we've heard the end of this.
You know, it might might be a little while, maybe

(01:15:12):
a couple of months or so before we hear something
more about it, but I definitely think we're going to
hear something about it again. And as far as Donald
Trump pardoning him, I don't know. I think that would
depend on a lot of things. But like I said,
I don't think we heard the end of it for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:15:29):
Yeah, yeah, I think at this point lots of times,
those of us who become accustomed to hearing Ben Shapiro
as a political commentator tend to forget that he's an
Ivy League trained lawyer and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
That that is.

Speaker 17 (01:15:44):
I mean I didn't know that. I was not aware
that he was an attorney by trade, so so then
he knows what he's talking about. So yeah, that makes
it doubly interesting, doesn't It does.

Speaker 6 (01:15:58):
But you know, he's he's talking and offering up a
bunch of evidence that actually was available if you were
paying attention to the right sources when it was ongoing,
like you, Becky, when I first saw that heavily edited
let me get untongue tied, heavily edited cell phone video

(01:16:20):
that has just the one angle that makes it look
like Derek Chauvin is just absolutely horrifically pinning him down.
It certainly looks abusive at that time. But the one
thing that not a lot of people have seen, I've
been able to see it. It is still available out there.
They try to rip it down as quick as somebody

(01:16:42):
puts it up, but if you catch it just right,
you can find it. And that's the bodycam footage from
the police officers that were involved, and from there you
see clearly that the majority of the time that Derek
Chauvin was actually trying to keep him restrained on the ground,
his knee wasn't even on the back of his neck.
Most of the time it was on his shoulder blade

(01:17:04):
or his back.

Speaker 17 (01:17:05):
Now that's which Shapiro claims.

Speaker 6 (01:17:07):
Yes, yeah, I mean the body camera which shows it clearly.
I've actually watched it. I've talked about it at the time.
I literally transformed during the course of the show. Is
more evidence came out. I went from Yeah, this guy
needs to to go away and go away hard because
he's given a black eye to law enforcement, to oh

(01:17:30):
my god, this guy is not responsible for George Floyd's death,
but he's still going to be sacrificed up along with
these other three officers, all of who one of which
even tried actively to resuscitate him when he rode with
with the MTS. The fact that the situation was getting
out of hand was a bigger issue. There's lots of

(01:17:51):
things that have come out, but this conviction, and again
he can be a terrible cop, that still doesn't make
him guilty of murder in this instance, and ultimately, the
way the system was supposed to work. If there's even
just reasonable doubt in given Floyd's health conditions and the

(01:18:13):
amount of fentanyl that was in his system at the
time of the autopsy, I mean, both autopsies made it
clear he had a lot of fentanyl in a system.

Speaker 17 (01:18:24):
Oh yeah, and he had he had blocked arteries one
at ninety percent, He had been a lifetime smoker, He
had traces of methamphetamine and marijuana in the system. I mean,
he was a train wreck, he really he was. And
you know, I think that you know, it's almost if

(01:18:45):
you want to put your tinfoil hat on for a minute,
and you know, talk about conspiracy theories. Twenty twenty was
an election year by all accounts, except for you know,
the beginnings of cod You know, I think most people
probably were would have been in agreement that Donald Trump

(01:19:06):
was going to walk into reelection and they just were
not going to let that happen. Now, you know, I
think it's a far stretch to say, you know, oh,
the whole, the whole, entire incident itself was a setup.
But you know, like you said, I think not not
just Derek Chauvin, but but the other officers involved. The

(01:19:28):
more I'm like you, the more evidence that comes out,
I tend to think that they were sacrificial lambs to
the race industry basically, and you know what, the rest
is history. As they say.

Speaker 6 (01:19:43):
Yeah. I mean, this was coming at a point in
time when people like George Zimmerman was being accused of
having abused Trayvon Martin, and there was the whole big
deal there, and it became highly politicized. And the only
reason this became a national story is because a lot

(01:20:05):
of legacy media outlets thought George Zimmerman sounded like the
whitest name ever. And it wasn't until later they found
out he was Hispanic.

Speaker 5 (01:20:14):
And oops, yeah, and so then.

Speaker 6 (01:20:18):
For the first time in the history of American journalism,
we saw people referred to as white Hispanic because they
could not let this be about something other than race.
Bottom line is, if this was a white guy who
was picking up a white dude who tried to pass

(01:20:40):
off a fake twenty in a convenience store and then
took a bunch of drugs to hide him from the cops,
we wouldn't have heard about It wouldn't have been a
national issue if this was.

Speaker 17 (01:20:51):
Or I think also if the arresting officer had been
black too, you never would have heard never would have
heard anything about it.

Speaker 6 (01:20:57):
Yeah, it would have been a local story and then
it would have went away, and that would have been it.
But any time that the legacy media can make the
narrative white person in position of authority is vicious brutal
to a minority individual, they're going to run with it,

(01:21:18):
and that's the story they want to tell. There are
so many people that have no idea that the actual
official autopsy that was carried out by the legitimate officials
said point blank there's no harm to the throat larynx,
there's no damage, there's no sns of crushing, there's no

(01:21:40):
outward sign of an abusive what's the exact phrasing here,
I'm looking for no signs that the officers did anything
that would have caused his death, right right.

Speaker 17 (01:21:55):
Well, one of the points that I brought up what
I said was that for like you said too, there's
so many people that don't realize who and what the
mainstream legacy media are. Who they are and what they
are and what they do. But I said that the
narrative to this story was written before George Floyd was

(01:22:15):
even pronounced dead. They knew what the story was going
to be and they wrote it accordingly, and then the
ensuing events were what Scott.

Speaker 6 (01:22:27):
So, Yeah, I do think that it's probably overdue for
somebody to push for this.

Speaker 17 (01:22:36):
Uh yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:22:38):
For the longest time, I felt like I was the
only one saying it. And again I got a lot
of the comments like what you were talking about. They
were all over the board. There's a lot of people
who've never seen video footage other than that same video
we all saw that had all of America angry. If
that's the only bit of information you have, I get

(01:22:59):
why you feel that way. I felt it too. It's
just not only to see a person in uniform do
that to another human being. The way that looked, the angle,
the appearance, it didn't tell the whole story. But you know,
they suppressed the bodycam footage. They suppressed a lot of
the information from the first autopsy and only wanted to

(01:23:22):
show the second one, where the doctor had been hired
by the family. The mayor of the city had pronounced
this as a guilties thing before there was even talk
about legitimately arresting any of the officers. All of this
was just so there was It became a runaway train

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and nobody was going to try to stop at it.

Speaker 17 (01:23:49):
Unfortunately, no, And that's one of the things I said,
who would have spoken up, Who would have been bold
enough to speak up at that point, because if you did,
oh my gosh, you know, you'd be canceled, you get
death threats. I mean, who knows what would have happened

(01:24:10):
to you. So of course nobody was going to speak up.
And yeah, I'm you know, it's this is this is
gonna gonna go where it's going to go. But yeah,
I'm I think it's I think it's good that Ben
Shapiro is bringing this up, and you know, we'll see
what happens. But like I said, I don't think we've
heard the end of it.

Speaker 6 (01:24:28):
So yeah, uh, I certainly hope not, because if we can't.
If we're ever going to restore confidence in our judiciary system,
it has to start with the law applying equally to everyone,
whether we like the outcome or not. We need to
be able to trust that judges are making their decisions

(01:24:49):
based on evidence that's presented and the law and the Constitution.
We need to believe that jurors are voting their conscience
based on the evidence that's been and presented in not
some deep seated, indoctrinated belief in the oppressor oppressed scenario.
There's just so much that's gone, and Derek Chauvin is

(01:25:11):
the face of this, but there are three other officers
who have all gone to jail, one of which is
an officer of color, and yeah, nobody, nobody calls out
for them either, And that's very sad, the travesty of justice.

Speaker 17 (01:25:27):
Yeah, it is, it really is. Yeah, I would agree
my concern, and I'm sure Ben Shapiro himself has probably
thought of this, that, you know, when the left. One
of the things that that I also jumped out at
me about this last week was that nobody was talking
about it. I saw this piece at first and started

(01:25:48):
to dig into it. I saw it on Axios, which
is kind of a left leaning website, and I made
made it a point all that day to watch news,
watch all of the you know, prime time conservative people
to see if anybody talked about it, and nobody touched it. Nobody.

(01:26:11):
I thought that was very interesting. And my my concern
for Ben Shapiro is that, you know, we we all
know what happens what the left does when they don't
have an argument, They start calling people names. And my
concern is that Ben Shapiro is going to get a
lot of antisemitic pushback from this, But you know what,
I think he's a tough cookie and I think he

(01:26:32):
probably sees that coming.

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professional security for a very long time. When he started
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into our conversation on our next topic, please let everybody
know where they can find your work and where they
can find you anywhere amongst the social medias well.

Speaker 17 (01:37:26):
You can find me on Facebook at Becky Noble. I
am on x at Becky Noble sixty five, and of
course you can find me at RedState dot com and
at Gumshoe Politics dot substack dot com. And you can
also find my podcast in your Face also on my

(01:37:46):
substack page.

Speaker 6 (01:37:49):
Okay, Now, in case you guys didn't catch all that,
there will be links in the show description. If you're
listening to the podcast Staffropact and if you're listening live,
come find the show in archives. Don't have to listen
to it, although I really wish you would get listened
to it a dozen times, would you like, and just

(01:38:10):
scroll down into the show description. I'd try to make
it easy for you to find the folks that are
on the show. Becky, you wrote a few days ago
over on Red State about a phenomenon. I think that
even if I had talked about this every day since
it started, I couldn't possibly have covered it enough, especially

(01:38:35):
given the fact that it has escalated to the level
of legitimate domestic terrorism. Of course, we're talking about how
Trump derangement syndrome has now it's mutated and a new
strain is out there. It's Elon de arrangement syndrome. What

(01:38:55):
is happening in the minds of Americans that they think
is okay to vandalize Tesla's, to vandalize Tesla dealerships, and
threatened to murder a man who just is trying to
save the American taxpayer public a ton of money.

Speaker 17 (01:39:13):
You know, Tim, I don't get it either. I just
I think for those of us who consider ourselves just everyday, normal,
average Americans, it just it boggles your mind. Can't wrap
your head around it. And you know, I've heard Elon
Musk himself that say, Hey, if you don't want to
buy our products, that's fine, we have no problem with that.

Speaker 6 (01:39:35):
But why do you feel the.

Speaker 17 (01:39:36):
Need to destroy everything and you know, I've seen on
social media and you might have two A lot of
your listeners may have that that. You know, people on
the left are trying to compare what they're doing to
when people on the right boycotted bud Light, and there
is absolutely no comparison. You're talking apples and oranges. When

(01:39:58):
conservatives don't frequent a company or a service. That's all
we do is we just say, well, I'm not going
to go to that restaurant, or I'm not going to
buy that product, or I'm not going to go here
or there, whatever it happens to be. We don't decide
that we have to take it one step further and
destroy people's businesses, destroy people's products, destroy people's livelihoods. And

(01:40:23):
and you know when you say that, they'll point to
the inevitable video of Kid Rock, you know, shooting up
a bunch of cases of bud Light. Okay, but that's
one instance. That's one instance of one person that that
no one encouraged doing something of his own volition.

Speaker 6 (01:40:45):
Now you have, you have.

Speaker 17 (01:40:49):
Very very organized effort to u to take in fact,
there's something there's going to be some big protest going
on on March to twenty ninth. I think they're calling
it Tesla Takedown Day or Elon Musk take Down Day
or some such thing, and and there they've been very
vocal and very out front about what they're gonna do

(01:41:09):
and when they're gonna do it. When I heard about that,
I thought, do they actually think that there's not gonna
be any type of law enforcement or anyone there that
is going to prevent them from doing what their intent
on doing, Because that's even dumber than going in and
shooting up a bunch of Tesla's or setting them on fire,

(01:41:32):
because anybody that knows anything about Tesla's knows that they
have a bunch of cameras on them. So, you know,
it's just it's it's all emotion.

Speaker 3 (01:41:42):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:41:42):
I wasn't a Rush baby. I was more like a
Rush adolescent. But but one of the things that Rush
used to talk about all the time was how liberalism
was so rooted in emotion and how what people feel,
whereas conservatism is more about logic and thinking things through.
So you know, it's I wish I had an answer

(01:42:04):
for it too. But but one thing I do know
is that, like you said, this is getting more and
more amped up and at some point somebody's gonna get
hurt or worse. And you know, these people are not
hurting Elon Musk. He's the richest man in the world.
You know you're not hurting him. The people you're hurting

(01:42:26):
are the people that work in the dealerships, the people
who work at the assent, on the assembly line at
the Tesla factory assembling the cars, the people who work
at all of the other uh you know, associated products
that that they use to assemble the cars. You're you're
affecting all of those people and their livelihoods, just like

(01:42:47):
you know there, I'll be intellectually honest here and say,
when when conservatives uh boycotted bud light, maybe, yeah, we were.
We were affecting truck drivers and people on the assembly
line and things like that. That's why, you know, when
people's first instincts are to quote unquote boycott something, Okay,
I get it, but you're not. Usually you're not hurting

(01:43:10):
that one particular product or service. You're you're hurting the
people who are associated with it, or who produce it,
or or whatever the case is. So, but it's it's
getting more and more dangerous, and like I said, something,
something bad is gonna happen, something very something, much much
worse than blowing up a car.

Speaker 6 (01:43:30):
Yeah, I would like to kind of backtrack to the
kid Rock thing for just a second, the other aspect
that nobody talks about when they want to point to
that it's like kid Rock. In order to do that,
he legally purchased all that blood light so he could
blow it up in his own property. So he probably
bought more bud light to do that stunt than they

(01:43:51):
had seen sold the rest of the entire quarter.

Speaker 17 (01:43:56):
That's absolutely true.

Speaker 6 (01:43:58):
I mean, it is utterly ridiculous, though, I mean, I
think part of the issue, especially the vandalism of the
individual cars out in various locations that we've seen video
after video after video of over on X and particularly
the I don't know why Elon would keep making sure

(01:44:19):
those were up on X for some reason. Anyway, a
lot of those people don't know there are cameras there.
You can tell they have no idea, so they don't know.
They don't know that Tesla is still the premiere EV vehicle,
far and away better than any of the other EV's

(01:44:39):
that are out on the market. It wasn't that long
ago that both Trump and Elon Musk were literally heroes
of the left because of their their actions and political statements,
how they portrayed themselves. The very businesses, every business that
Elon is into was a bastion of leftist ideology when

(01:45:03):
he started it. But he wasn't motivated by leftist ideology.
He was motivated by a true spirit to create something new,
and that's why he's not anchored to the ideological side
of this and can actually look at what makes the
most sense across the board. There was an inherent lack

(01:45:29):
of information, an inherent lack of understanding on the part
of these people that goes beyond just being emotionally manipulated.
We have a generation of folks, and what's scary is
the age group you see some of these folks happen
to fall in. Some of these are older folks, some
of these are middle aged folks, some of them are

(01:45:49):
really young. But none of them seem to really understand
even why they're doing it. They bought into lives from
the legacy media, They bought into lives from democratic politicians.
Think Elon's trying to steal everyone's social security for crime
out right?

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
Right?

Speaker 14 (01:46:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:46:05):
I not too long ago. I don't remember if it
was for gum shoe politics or if it was at
Red State. There was a pastor somewhere who was telling
elderly members of his congregation that Elon Musk wanted to
take their social Security check. He's the richest man in
the world. Why does he want your grandma's onety five

(01:46:27):
dollars a month security social Security check. That's that's absurd,
But you know it's it's I'm with you. I wish
I could. I wish I could explain it. I think,
I think a lot of us do. But it's just
that's the only thing I can go back to is
I remember what Rush said about liberalism just being all

(01:46:47):
about emotion and about what people are feeling. And that's
it's kind of the best explanation we have at this
point about it. But that doesn't help with the fact
that that they keep getting angrier and angrier, and like
I said, something bad is going to happen.

Speaker 6 (01:47:04):
Yeah. Well, obviously Pambondy and new Deputy Director of the
FBI Dan Bongino have been making some pretty firm statements
about pushing back against this organized domestic terrorism active. What
I'm afraid is going to happen though, was these people

(01:47:25):
have become so activated and to a large extent, they
honestly believe that their frontline warriors trying to take back
America for the poor. They don't even see themselves as
doing anything wrong. But will do you think, because I

(01:47:45):
know what I think? But will increased enforcement of the
law holding these people accountable when they step across the line?
Will that actually exacerbate this further or will it actually
lead to some cool or maybe a little of one
at first and then eventually the other. What do you
think that?

Speaker 17 (01:48:05):
Yeah, it could be that. I tend to think that
whether it's Donald Trump, whether it's Pam Bondi at the
Justice Apartment, whether it's Cash Battel and Dan Bongino at
the FBI, there's going to have to be some examples
made of people.

Speaker 6 (01:48:21):
And that goes for these.

Speaker 17 (01:48:23):
Domestic terrorists who are bombing Tesla dealerships. Yeah, I think
as soon as a few of them.

Speaker 12 (01:48:30):
Now.

Speaker 17 (01:48:31):
I saw the other day where Pam Bondi said that
they have I think two or three of people in
custody and they're facing up to twenty years in prison.
And I think if these people get convicted and they
get purp walked off to prison. Yeah, I think that
might deter some of these people because I think I
think at their core they're just cowards. That's all they have.

(01:48:54):
They can't they can't engage in logical, meaningful debate with
anyone who disagree with them. All they can do is
throw molotov cocktails. And so I think as soon as
you make some examples of people, not only them, like
we see with the colleges and universities who are now
caving and they are doing something about the anti semitism

(01:49:18):
on campus and the pro Palestine protests on campus. And
that's another thing too. I think that all of these
groups are of people. They're all the same people. Because
if you also ask, if you go to one of
these large anti Israel protests where everyone's waving Palestinian flags

(01:49:38):
and you ask people why they're there, they can't tell you.
You know, if you ask them, is what does from
the river to the seaming? They don't know. They don't
know what river and they don't know what sea. So
I think it's all the same rent a mob, you know,
they just hand them their particular accessory, you know, for
whatever protest it is Oh do you need a Palestinian
flag for this protest?

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
Here you go.

Speaker 17 (01:49:59):
Oh do you need a Molotov cocktail to throw into
a Tesla dealership?

Speaker 8 (01:50:03):
Here you go.

Speaker 17 (01:50:04):
I mean, it's it's the same rent a mob. But yeah,
I think it might yet. Maybe it might ramp up
just a tad at first, but as soon as soon
as people are being made examples of I think they're
going to realize that the people in this administration are
not playing around and think things maybe at that point

(01:50:24):
will start to die down. Let's let's hope that that
there is not too much more destruction and damage and
hopefully no one is seriously hurt or worse before that happens.
But uh yeah, Like I said, I think at their core,
these people are cowards, and I think they'll they'll back down,
and they'll go back to their mom's basement, and you know,

(01:50:46):
they'll find something else to get mad about.

Speaker 6 (01:50:50):
Oh no, they changed this character of my favorite video
game and now I can't right. Yeah, I think you're
mostly right, Becky, I do, but I'm what I'm afraid of.
The worst case scenario is that there are just enough
true believers out in the croud as you call them

(01:51:13):
that they are committed to the cause. And you throw
in a mixture of a few activist judges that lean
in their direction, that want to push that narrative, that
want to stop all things Trump, and therefore all things
Eli and therefore all things everything. It becomes Doug's hilarious.

(01:51:37):
Oh No, What am I gonna do about Mario?

Speaker 17 (01:51:41):
I've been I've been thinking about Doug ever since I
heard that that that Microsoft was going to discontinue Skype.
How was he doing?

Speaker 6 (01:51:50):
He's going through the withdrawal already. He's been very angry
about it, and uh, I think that he's most made
peace with it. In fact, I think he's gonna come
on and tell us how he's feeling. Right now.

Speaker 7 (01:52:05):
We're checking alternatives.

Speaker 6 (01:52:10):
Okay, okay, that that is the official company.

Speaker 17 (01:52:15):
We want to much stronger language than that.

Speaker 7 (01:52:17):
You're safe though, because I'll just call your butt on
the phone. It's between Ron and I and Tim and
I when we gotta do you know the video and
I give him the finger five minutes left.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
There's gonna be a lot all.

Speaker 7 (01:52:39):
The guests and stuff I call call on audio, you know,
via phone line. That ain't gonna change.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
It's just between the hosts and I.

Speaker 7 (01:52:49):
That's what's gotta change, and we gotta figure that ship out.

Speaker 6 (01:52:53):
There's there's a lot fewer fingers in my future.

Speaker 17 (01:53:00):
He almost got through it.

Speaker 6 (01:53:01):
Yeah, but you know, it really does. Still My concern
is how far the flames are going to be fanned
by some of these judges that are actually going to
be on their side. What Democrat office holders are going
to start fundraising for bail money, if there are any

(01:53:24):
places left in the country where they still demand bail.
I see the system itself still being so anti Trump
that that's going to help to make it worse too.

Speaker 17 (01:53:36):
There is that, And I think another thing I think
that Pambondi and the Department of Justices looking at is
who is funding.

Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
All of this?

Speaker 17 (01:53:45):
Because the money's coming from somewhere. Now, everybody's first thought
is probably George Soros or something Soros related, and I
would agree with that, But I also think that if
you can figure out where the money has come from
and cut that off, I think that would also go
a long way to maybe hopefully maybe discontinuing a lot

(01:54:09):
of this.

Speaker 6 (01:54:10):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if you can keep palettes of
bricks from mysteriously appearing in cities where they know there's
about to be unrest that might help make things a
little better. Becky, I can't believe it. We're already nearly
out of time, so I want you to have any

(01:54:33):
final thoughts you'd like to share, Feel free to do that,
and then, of course, one more time, let everybody know
where they can find you and all your fantastic work
well again.

Speaker 17 (01:54:43):
You can find me on Facebook at Becky Noble, on
X at Becky Noble sixty five, and at RedState dot
com and on Gumshoe Politics dot substack dot com. And
you can also find my podcast in your Face on
the substack page as well. And I just want to
say thank you so much for having me on Tim.

(01:55:05):
I always it's always a good time, you know, to
come on and talk about what's going on with you
and and you know, try try to solve the problems
of the world. And you know we we always nearly
do it every time I come on.

Speaker 6 (01:55:17):
So almost close oh much, yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:55:20):
Yeah, So I just want to say thank you again
for having me on.

Speaker 6 (01:55:24):
Well, I appreciate you coming on. You and Randy both
have been extremely generous with your time, and you guys
are always bringing such a great perspective and I absolutely
love getting to talk to you regardless and uh as always,
I can't wait to do it again. So God speed
to you and keep up all the great work, Vick.

Speaker 17 (01:55:44):
I sure will thank you so much. Tim.

Speaker 6 (01:55:47):
All right, thank you. Okay, hope everybody has a great weekend,
and it is a great weekend. Come in if you
happen to be a basketball fan. March Madness is underway.
Upsets have already happened. Like Craye, I'm still rooting for
the good guys in Orange Is they now have to
go on on Saturday night to take on UCLA. It's

(01:56:07):
going to be fantastic no matter what happens, because that's
what the NCAA Tournament brings. Very few games that are
out there that can be so close, regardless of where
the schools are and who attends. Basketball is a funny,

(01:56:28):
fickled game and that's part of why we all love it.
In the meanwhile, that's not all that's going on. So
keep your ear to the railroad tracks, to keep your
ear to the ground, make sure you know what's coming
your way, be prepared, but most importantly, don't take my
word for it. Don't take my word for anything I've
said here tonight. Don't take the other side's word for

(01:56:51):
what they're saying either. Be prepared to put in some
effort and most importantly, to use your brain if you
really want to tap into the t Have a great weekend, everybody,
and we'll see you next week. Even then, even that's all, folks.

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