January 19, 2024 • 47 mins
#195:The Sacred She Tarot with Ma Deva PadmaRose and Ma Deva Padma talk about feminine power and creating new work for the modern world, The Sacred She Tarot. Ma Deva Padma shares her perspectives on changing the symbolic vision of Tarot and expanding how we see Tarot suits using color and moving away from old ways of seeing the information and connecting to the cards essences.She shares amazing quotes for each cards that are meant to inspire all who use this new deck.
The Sacred She Tarot: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Sacred-She-Tarot-Deck-and-Guidebook/Ma-Deva-Padma/9781582708980
The Fearless Girl Statue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fearless_Girl
Osho Zen Tarot: https://shop.osho.com/en/osho-zen-tarot
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The Sacred She Tarot: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Sacred-She-Tarot-Deck-and-Guidebook/Ma-Deva-Padma/9781582708980
The Fearless Girl Statue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fearless_Girl
Osho Zen Tarot: https://shop.osho.com/en/osho-zen-tarot
Prartho Sereno: https://www.linkedin.com/in/prartho-sereno-44466219/
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You're listening to Tarot Visions. Joinyour host Rose Red Robinson as she chats
with esoteric luminaries, explores technology touse in one's personal practice, and dives
into witchcraft and magic in everyday life. Hello, and welcome to Taro Visions.
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Today. I've got the pleasure ofspeaking with Madeva Padma, the creatrix
of the Sacred. She tarot deckfeels more like an oracle to me because
of the beauty of it all.But it is a beautiful Tarot deck that
she's created. Now, She's alsodone some amazing work that you probably all
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are familiar with. Uh. TheOjo Zen is one of those that I
know a lot of the people thatI I talked to about have inspired them.
But now we get to talk aboutthis beautiful deck that you have coming
out. So welcome to Terot Visions. Thank you, Rose. Nice to
be with you. So the breathof this deck is so full, and
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I really appreciated the fact that youmade an effort to make it not like
every other deck. Yes, itacknowledges past decks that have existed, specifically
the writer Wait Smith and the Thoughtbecause of course, the sacred feminine of
the two artists in those decks,and that you did the art for this
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one as well as wrote the book. What inspired you though to change the
suits? Uh huh okay. Youknow, in the Terrot tradition, the
suits are designated symbolically with wands orswords or chalices, cups, and I
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in creating this deck, I wantedto kind of slice through the understanding of
Tero as being symbolic in terms ofsymbolism that is anchored in ancient traditions.
I wanted to offer the exquisite natureof Terro through a new lens, which
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was to separate out a lot ofthe traditional symbolism and offer the minor arcana
with four different colors for each ofthose suits, and the major arcana with
a fifth color, so that alltogether, these five colors that appear on
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the bottom of each card let thereader know, okay, I'm in the
major arcana now or the mad minorare kind of okay. So this card
that has green on the bottom isdealing with the suit of Earth, earthiness,
commerce, exchange, and so inthe older terminology it would be pentacles
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or coins, but in this deckit is this suit of Earth. So
it's so that people can work withit from an immediate recognition once they know
that those colors are designated different qualities, without needing to understand specific symbolism.
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In the past, I've been workingwith Terrot for sixty years. I deeply
love Terro, but I've found thatmany people are reluctant about entering into the
wonderful world of Terro because they feelthey don't understand stand it, and they
don't understand the meaning of why isthere a sword on this one? Or
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why are there staves running across thesky? What does that mean? And
so my whole passion with Toro hasbeen to articulate the essence of what is
in a card, but to doit in a way so that it banged
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and minute you see that image,you've got a good sense of what it's
saying. A lot of explanation becauseI like to think that Toro is a
personal, up close and personal journeythat it does not need to be dependent
upon someone who read it for you. Yeah, you can do it for
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yourself. It's a do it yourselfthing. My decks are do it yourself
decks. Yes, And I gotthat gut punch if you will. When
I was looking at the images justbecause of how full they are and how
vivid and how they don't hide anything. I mean, that's the one thing
I did like that you had done, and is a thing that many people
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are doing with the minors specifically,is making sure they're illustrated, and I
loved that you did that. ButI also liked that with every card you
had a special quote yes from differentpeople and we got to figure out where
they were. And then you alsoincluded in the book you know when people
are like, Okay, well thisisn't what we're used to. What card
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does this equate to? And youincluded that it's like just a little quick
here's what it is. Rwick Smith. Here it is in the thought.
And I think that those little nodsare helpful but are also not distracting,
so people can really look at whatyou're presenting in this new way and embrace
that new vision of how to seemore than just what we're used to,
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and how to expand and our connections. And it also feels a lot like
you did this with the intent ofalso connecting with the world around us,
which I think is beautiful. Sowhat inspired that for you to just after
all this time, because you've doneother decks, and you've worked with other
decks. What inspired you to dothis deck in this fashion? Yes,
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I began this deck in two thousandand seven having thought that I was finished
with deck making. I had createdthe Osho z Enturo, and then I
created the Deo Oracle, which isbased on the Eching, and those two
were enormous works that took many,many years and a lot of devotion.
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And in two thousand and seven Ihad a realization that the past deck work
that I had done with so muchlove and care was actually articulating the wisdom
of other beings. Let's say Laotsuwith the eaching, Let's say oh show
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with the oshow Zen. And Iwas faced with, Okay, Padma,
what's the story with you here?You are this woman who has lived an
extraordinary life. In many ways,you are wise in terms of the way
the terror works and also in termsof having walked many different walks throughout your
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lifetime. Why are you not offeringsomething that is from your own voice,
something that is gleaned out of thesteps that you have taken as a mother,
as a woman, as a disciple, as an artist, as a
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teacher, so I began to kindof I put together some imagery from my
paintings, because I've been an artisan'sI could walk and you know, I
began gathering together some of my imageryand then I thought, you know,
I think this needs to be anotherdeck, and I think it needs to
be somehow articulating from the voice ofwhat I call the divine feminine. It's
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the inner voice that speaks from thatvery deep, knowing place that is it's
not girly, it's not political.It's a place of It's like a huge
cup or a womb that holds everything. She is the wisdom through which all
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the other things can spin off andoccur. But the divine feminine voice is
our is the voice of the heart, the intuition, the great mother.
But I didn't want the deck tobecome a goddess deck as such. There's
lots of that and beautiful ones outthere. But at the same time I
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needed it to somehow feel as thoughit was embracing the offerings that have come
through the female lineage, through manywomen whose names we will never know,
and through at least two that Ihave adored since my girlhood, and that
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is Pamela Coleman Smith and Lady LadyFRIEDA. Harris. So I thought,
Okay, I'm gonna sit. I'mgoing to snuggle in between those two fabulous
souls and anchor the voice that I'moffering in the now in this wild and
wooly world that we're living in,and offer it in the now in the
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colors and the symbols of today.But have these two offerings by these extraordinary
women who created the two dicks thatI have always loved. So that's why
and how it came about. Andin the interim from two thousand and seven
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to now, I went through cancerand surgery for that, and then I
had to deal with a whole lotof issues having to leave our home and
move into a completely nether place,and then I had to have emergency heart
surgery. And so during all thoseyears up until the final work on the
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Sacred Chi, I realized that actuallylife needed to cook my goose a few
times before I was really primed andready to serve this beautiful piece of work.
I have to say that everybody's invitedto the table, because I feel
it is a multi course meal thatis nourishing to all men and women.
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Yes, I got that as well. Even though it is called the Sacred
she Taro, it is not exclusivelyor women. It does embrace that,
but it also embraces everything, andI think that is really amazing, and
I know, you know, inthe age that we live in, being
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it is a multicultural deck, whichI thought was beautiful as well. One
of my favorite cards is fourteen Integrity. It's the Night of the King of
Wand's excuse me, and it's justevery time I see it, I just
kind of like my heart, yeah, because in this image, it's a
young woman, you know, beingbolstered by what I'm going to assume is
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her father, but a strong malefigure. And then behind that are the
eyes that look like a king fromEgypt, plus a lion, plus a
lotus, and it's just oh somuch in one spot. But you know
that there is strength and support andfrom both the natural world, the spiritual
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world, and the human world,if you will, yes, all in
one spot. And that one that'sone of my favorite cards. So just
putting it out there, could Ijust add a little something here because I
just want to give you a treat. There's a few little stories that go
with the imagery on that card becausethat card was one of the last ones
that I did and it was veryimportant to me that it hit all the
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boxes. And I don't know ifyou're familiar, there's a very well known
sculpture by a woman that is calledthe Fearless Girl. It's a sculpture in
New York. Yes, and sheput her hands on her hips and she's
standing there and it's like, I'mhere and this is it, and you're
going to have to deal with mebefore you're going to go any farther,
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because this is what I've got tosay. And she's young and she's strong,
she's the Fearless Girl. Well,I modeled that little girl on the
card as the Fearless Girl. Andshe is wearing a phoenix on her T
shirt. Yes, phoenix rises outof the flames. The flames are actually
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what makes the phoenix become something extraordinary. And the eye behind her has got
her back, and how well muscledup he is is a school of the
masculine aspect of integrity, which iswise and strong and generous and yes,
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fothering, compassionate and very forward lookingwithout being driven. He's very stable.
The eyes of horace on ie sideof the card from the Egyptian symbolism are
the all seeing eye. Nothing ismissed. The eye of Orus is not
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non judgmental, it is just incrediblywise through what it is able to see.
And then the lion which is behindall of them, the lion is
the king. Yeah. And soin the suit of Fire of vital dynamic
energy, that's the suit that hasthe red at the bottom of the card.
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You've got a lot of stuff inthat gorgeous image. And every one
of my images is like that.They're all really bad. Yes, it
is, and that's why I loveit. And I also like the fact
that all of your aces are notace, they're they're the number one.
Yes. And I like that toobecause it's that clarity of note we start
here, yes, you know,we build up two. And the fact
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that again the rest of the cardsthat go through for the courts, you
don't have them separated out, whichI really love as well, is that
they are still part of that numberprogression and people can wrap their brain around
that, I think, and italso makes it more able to connect with
it versus becoming this now this anotherthing. It feels a little separate.
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I like the way that you've broughtit into it. Even though it does
have its place, it's still moreconnected, you know, as I'm looking
through, you know, with scrutinynumber eleven, which is the page of
swords, and how it's very mucha beginning image and you can look into
it, but you're still continuing fromthe rest of the suit. It's not
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separate like a tarot deck might be. And what inspired that for you to
make that continuity so flow so well? You know, because I am a
very passionate artist, and I havehad many exhibitions over the years, and
I have found that when they're isa flow of imagery as people move around
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in a space looking at different creations, if there is a kind of deeply
grounded thread that moves through. Forme, that thread is self awareness,
consciousness, meditation, kindness. Andso in wanting to bring that into what
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I create in a deck, therewas a need to make it as easy
as possible for anyone to benefit fromplaying with this thing, using it,
so that it doesn't become a sourceof worry or oh they're not getting it
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right, or I don't know whatthis means. They can simply pull a
card and sink into it and feelas though whatever the next one is that
they pull, they kind of threadtogether. It's like a necklace, it
kind of. It all sort ofsings together. No matter where you are
in the deck and each of thesuits, if you go from like the
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one to the fourteen, no onecard is more important than the other.
It doesn't mean that the one isthe most important or the fourteenth is the
most important. Each one is exquisitein itself. Some are really hard hitting,
like a bang on the head,and some of them are just like
luscious desserts. But they all havemeaning and they all are worthy of our
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reflecting on. Aha, what doesthis mean for me right now? What
do I see of myself in thisright now? That's what they're for.
And I think that's just beautiful becausethat's that's that feeling that I get when
I'm looking at them. Again,I don't actually have the deck, dear
listeners, but I will. Okay, sorry for the mohahas out there,
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but it's how I feel because thisis such a beautiful deck that I just
kind of like, I am notjust going to collect it. I'm going
to be using it more. Theother thing I really loved is that not
only did you include these quotes?You also have a selection of where they
come from and where you collected them. What inspired you to take that journey
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and collect these quotes to make surethat you had them, or did they
just kind of quote this makes senseto go with the cards. You know,
As I said earlier, I beganthis deck in two thousand and seven
and went through a whole lot ofchanges, and in the last couple of
years before completing it, I wasin that kind of like final surge of
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energy where things were really getting done, and it was like, okay,
you know, the deck has beenproposed to some publishers and they've said yes,
aha, we want to do it, and the book was being designed
and it was all great, andyou know, we were heading to the
finish line. And then I wokeup one morning with this sort of epiphany
moment that was like, wait aminute, this deck needs to be a
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chorus of voices. This needs tobe not just one woman's story. This
needs to be the story of humankindnow in this day and age, and
let it be a reflection of thevoices of men and women around the world,
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young old professional grandmas that are youknow, watering their tomatoes. All
of us have something to say.So I having been part of a community
of like mind it's for many manyyears that has spread all over the world.
I just decided to invite people intothe project that I was bringing to
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completion. I would send them animage of a card and say, do
you have anything to say regarding whatthis image means to you? What does
this prompt in you? And pleasedon't quote Osho or Buddha or Roomy or
tick not On or any of theother wise ones that we adore and that
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we revere, but speak from yourown self, speak from your own experience,
because I would love for this deckto have a quality of our commonality,
the integrity and the beauty that comesthrough people who are reflecting upon their
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own lives and are able to sharefrom that place of their own self,
understanding their own awareness. It's like, it's what I call kitchen wisdom,
you know, It's like the cupof tea and the sit down and really
getting into it with a dear friend. And I wanted to have that kind
of quality, and I think itdoes. I think it actually pulls that
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off. The thing that was socrazy about it was when this moment of
Oh, you know, I reallywant to do this, this is necessary
to be part of it. Thebook had already been designed, and the
publishers were like, wait a minute, Wait a minute, who are these
people that you're wanting to quote.I mean, what is this all about?
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Yeah, you know, And soI went through this whole thing,
and it set the project back alittle bit time wise, because some convincing
was needed, because you know,if it had been famous individuals being quoted,
there would have been no problem.But this was like, you know,
Joe Blow and the guy that deliversthe milk and the girl that works
in the library. So you know, it was like okay, but they
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got it. They got it,and they said yes. And you know,
there were a whole bunch of thingsthat I needed to get done and
then vocant to be redesigned, andwe did it. Gopa Campbell, my
designer, is a genius. AndI think that really what it does is
it sets this deck apart, becauseyes, it's a creation of one individual,
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but it's also a creation that hascome through the wisdom of the people
of today. Yes, and that'skind of what I really loved about it,
was that those quotes just make thatnext step for understanding. In my
opinion, yeah yeah, And oneof my favorite cards in general is always
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going to be the Lover's card becausethat's my birth card. But I love
how simplistic the image that you didis it's two candles and one flame.
Yes, And I thought that,you know, that was just simple and
beautiful and and and yet still veryclear, very profound. But I also
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wanted to read, if I cando it without messing it up, the
quote that you included, and ifyou could remind me of which person it
is. If not, well I'lllook it up. Okay, Now let
me just say, let me justsay that quote is from the fifteen hundreds.
Oh okay, that is Saint Teresaof Abula. Oh okay. And
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that is the only quote from anancient source that I've found so profound and
so absolutely perfect in articulating the essenceof the card of love. Well,
and I would agree, So I'mgoing to do my best to not mess
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it up and read it. Sounion may be symbolized by two waxed candles,
the tips of which touch each otherso closely that there is but one
light, or again, the wick, the wax, and the light become
one, but the one candle canagain be separated from the other, and
the two candles remain distinct. Butspiritual marriage is like the rain falling from
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heaven into a river or stream,becoming one and the same liquid, so
that the river and the rain watercannot be divided, or it reassembles a
streamlet flowing into the ocean, whichcannot afterwards be disunited from it. This
marriage may also be likened to aroom into which a bright light enters through
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two windows, though divided, whenit enters, the light becomes one and
the same. And it was justthat because again, when I look at
card decks, I look at twocards, the levers and the death card,
and this quote, just like yeah, made me know that this was
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just the right moment, the feel, the embracing of that card in general,
and sharing it with anyone who wouldread it. It's so beautiful.
So I wanted to share that becauseI wanted to get those people to see
it. It's so beautiful. Andeach each of the different ones that you've
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chosen are similarly. They hit similarlyin my in my card, my deck,
my my chest. I should sayso thank you for that, and
thank you for letting me mess itup too much. No you didn't.
It was lovely, thank you.But I would ask you what what one
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was the surprise card to you whenyou were doing this this stick? What
one surprised you with how it camethrough for you? There were there were
a couple. I will first speakof the card that is traditionally called the
fool, and in this deck itis called beginning. And when I did
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the full card that it is notenuro. It was done very much in
the way that in most decks thefool of Pears is stepping off a cliff,
you know, and I had doneit. You know, he's stepping
into this amazing landscape and he's sortof you know, like a like like
a dancer in a way, he'sleaping off. Usually the fool is depicted
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as male, and there's often aquality of he's falling into something or he's
leaping into something, and there's theterm fool goes along with naivete rash in
the movement, so that it's notutterly very very conscious, it's more of
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a kind of haphazard activity. Andin the Sacred She I wanted the first
card of the deck, the beginningof the whole entrance into the deck to
be one of rising up rather thanfalling down. And I needed it to
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feel feminine without being girly. Girlyshe is clearly there is a youthfulness,
and the youthfulness represents innocence, butit also represents vitality and health and well
being. But her wings are enormous, yes, and they are like an
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eagles wing. You don't get eagleswings powerful like that unless you are able
to truly soar. And she hasall the colors of the rainbow on the
feathers of her wings. She isable to soar through any aspect of the
color spectrum and all of the emotionsand qualities that go with all of those
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different qualities and aspects. She isabove the clouds. It's not saying that
she's ungrounded. It's saying that shehas risen up from the earthly into a
place where she is able to perceivea vastness and overview and it is full
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of light. There is no boundboundary there, there is no quality of
danger there because you can feel thatshe is empowered. Yeah, that is
yeah, So all of that gotpacked into out one guard and I think
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it works, It really does,because I don't get that, you know,
when I when I'm doing readings forpeople and we get the fool and
it's you know, it's reminding themto take the leap of faith. Yeah,
it will. And with this it'sembrace your faith you already know,
yes, yes, exactly, rememberthat you already have, yes, and
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rise. And I do like alsothe quote that you put with that as
well, you know, come withme, you are me. We cannot
be separated. Let the rest bea surprise to the to the listener to
feel it. But it's so beautifulbecause it's again it reminds us to embrace
ourselves and sore instead of falling intosomething, but leaping if you will,
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yes too, yes, the spacethat is ours if we are open to
that. Yes. So what wasthe other one that you were talking that
you were saying was a okay,let me just sit with you for a
minute. Okay. Another one wasthe card of Joy also in what is
called the major arcana, you know, in the tradition family Coleman Smith did
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it with a beautiful little pudgy babysitting on the white horse and the sun
behind and the sunflowers and the bannersand that whole thing of like the joyful
moment on the white pony, andit's just so uplifting and so lushious,
and I wanted to bring in thequality of all that sweetness. And it
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doesn't make any difference how old youare, but we all taste that space
of like the complete delight that thecard symbolizes. And I thought, you
know, kids and animals are absoluteexpressions of that delight. You know,
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you see you see a dolphin leapingout of the water, or you see
a pony gamboling across the paddock,or you know, a turtle finally making
it to the edge of the waterand dipping in, kangaroo's hopping around.
There's just this whole thing of thedelight of a puppy in a girl's lap,
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surrounded by the images of these gorgeousanimals. And as an homage to
Pamela Coleman Smith, we've got thatson behind had so beautifully put in her
image. And you know, I'vereally enjoyed kind of tucking in little elements
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from other cards from other decks thatI love, And so the Card of
Joy, when I was looking forsomeone to do the quote for the Card
of Joy. A friend of minewho is an award winning poet. She's
the Poet Laureate in Marine County,California. She's teaching poetry for years.
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She does it fabulous books, children'sbooks and poetry books, also for adults.
Her name is Prato Sereno. AndI said to Prato, I want
to send you the Card of Joy, because Parto had been sending me images
of her paintings for her latest bookof poetry, and she wrote the poem
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specifically for the Card of Joy.And it is just like, oh my
god. You know, it's justtoo good. It's too sweet. It's
so poignant and meaningful, yes andkind yes, yeah. Well, And
the thing you don't know about meis the Sun card is not one of
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my favorite cards. But this maybecome one of my favorite cards. Okay,
okay, it's a different spin onit. This is the spin of
reminding all of us to look andexperience the joy that the sun can represent.
Yes, is with that card.And it's so beautifully articulated in Parto's
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poem. Joy can come so silently. It doesn't necessarily come in bouncing and
bright. It can come in amoment of tenderness where you can feel your
heart smile and say, oh myGod, yes, yes, that that's
sweetness. I think, more thananything, it is a card of self
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love and the sweetness of what itis to be given this gift of being
alive. It's a gift and Ithink this The poem and the card embraced
that so well. So thank youfor that. So what card were you
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least? You know, how doyou pick the child that you don't love
the most out of your babies?But what one was the one that was
the hardest for you to really wrapyourself into with this process? You know,
I there were a few cards thatI felt I needed some help with
in terms of they were dealing withdifficult and painful dynamics, and I wanted
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to make sure that I had doneenough homework in terms of the bigger picture,
because I lived in nature in Australia, in the outback, in an
area where I'm surrounded by beauty andyou know, there's no noise except from
the animals that are around and thebirds, And so I thought I got
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it. I got to open mywindow wider to be able to address grief
and to address anxiety. Yeah,and heartbreak, because because these are very
alive in the world today, wherewe are confronted with situations not only in
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our own personal lives, but inthe wider world that are so catastrophic and
frightening. And how to put animage to each of these and how it
makes sense and have it include amessage that soothes the heart and opens the
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inner consciousness to perceive that this toois a teaching this too has a message
that can benefit not only myself interms of creating empathy, in terms of
creating compassion, in terms of forgiveness. So a therapist friend of mine who
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works with trauma, was a manthat I reached out to and he supported
two of the cards. One ofthem is the card of repression. Another
friend of mine who was in theUkraine dealing with trauma in the Ukraine and
his work that he does, andhe left the Ukraine and then he was
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heading to Turkey, and that's allhe does is go to places where there's
been catastrophic occurrences to assist the peoplethere in being able to step out of
the horror that they are surrounded inand move into a place where they can
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become centered again within their own cellsand their own lives that they can move
forward. His name is Samudro PhilipLake, and his quote is with the
card of grief, and that caris you know, you just see the
profile of a face. It's alllike gray and foggy. There's tears,
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there's weeping, but the tears arewatering a single flower, red poppy,
and that poppy is rising up,fragile as it is, but the tears
are what it is, providing itlife. Traditionally in the world, poppies
always represent the fields of the fallen, the soldiers who have gone, those
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whose lives have been taken away.And his words are exquisite, and you
know, so again this is anexample of the words, the imagery,
and the longing on the part ofthe artist to integrate all of this so
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that when it goes out into theworld, it's not just another beautiful deck.
It's a deck that's got a kindof a part in the term,
but it's got a kind of aone two punch. It's going to get
you in the heart, and it'sgoing to get you in your mind.
It's going to open you up andcreate hopefully a raising in terms of your
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conscious awareness of how intimate we allare with this thing called life. None
of us are separate from it.And I think that if people can go
into this deck with that in mind, they will get so much more out,
yes than any others that I've seenso far. What would be a
thing that you would want people totake away from this deck just using it?
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You know? I would love forpeople to be able to use this
deck not for divining their future ororienting them toward anything other than where they
are in the moments. They useit as a means for reflecting upon themselves
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and the world in which they're livingat the moment, in the here and
now. I think that we areprone to escape our reality by looking for
anything anywhere that will get us outof the now that we're impatient in.
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We don't like it, we're unhappy, or we're wanting to change it in
some way. It needs to bedifferent. And I think that if the
Sacred she can become like a kindof best friend, like a kind of
things that are shared not with everybody, but just between you and this best
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bestie, so that you can confideand you can be benefited by what she
has to offer and you can learnmore about yourself and the things that you're
wanting to that you are resisting,and the things that you are going Okay,
okay, okay. I can takethis in and I can take baby
steps into maybe trying a new wayso that it helps people to grow past
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their limitations, so that they canexpand into a broader way of embracing life
and feeling embraced by life, becausewe're all here for a purpose, even
if we don't know what the purposeis. Life wants you here. Therefore,
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Hurrah, welcome me here. Yeah, get into the program, darling,
you know, and the sacred shousedfor celebrating that. Yes, and
and I get that, I personallyget that, but I know that that's
you know. And what I reallyliked the other little bits that I really
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like that you've added is a glossaryof symbolism, yes, for people as
well as books. Yes, youknow. And I think that is that
little bit more that this deck providespeople. Not just here's my deck,
here's you know, some inspiration,but here's some other things that can help
you grow and use for yourself.Yeah. So I thought that was beautiful.
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How did you choose the books thatyou chose? There are books that
I have in my library. I'ma reader. I love books, and
I wanted to have books, particularlyfor the Sacred shey as, books that
are authored by women. And thething is that I'm an aquarian and so
my you know, right off thebat, I'm going to be looking at
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I want this to be for myworld. I want this to be for
the society and the humans and thepeople. And let's take it up a
notch, guys. So those booksthat are there in my little book list
at the back are all very meaningfuland very uplifting, full of wisdom,
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humor, sensitivity, spirituality, thelot. It's a good list, Yeah,
it is. I was looking throughit and going, okay, I've
read that one. That one,I've got to read that one. So
no, really good. Yeah.And then my last question for right now
is with the spreads that you created, Yes, what was the one that
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was the one you definitely had tohave in here because I know that that
I see that you did your owntake on the Celtic Cross. Yeah,
yeah, which I which I appreciated. But I'm looking through the others and
trying to figure out which one isthe one that is specifically padme that is
your had to have well, tobe perfectly honest, it's it's the first
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one. It's the it's the hereand now. Yeah, that's it.
It's the pearl of wisdom. It'sthe nail it. Because readings, God
knows, readings are amazing for reallydoing in depth storyline related to an event
or whatever it is that is needingto be investigated somehow. But for me,
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every day I pull a single card. I just pull one and I
sit with it, and i'd bewith it, and I always when I'm
doing a reading, I touch thecards to my heart first, and I
feel my heart pumping into the deck. And then I put it to my
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third eye and I let my mind, my consciousness, my ability to see
beyond what I know, into thedeck. I pull a card and I
get satisfaction. Oh nice. Shehas walked through many, many places,
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and she's come to the place whereshe can sit there with a bowl of
cream. She's got it all andshe deserves it. And others may be
envious, dubious, but what it'swell earned. That's beautiful. Thank you.
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On that note, I will saythank you that that's just that's beautiful.
Well, thank you for your time, and coming on from Australia.
I'm guessing that it's Wednesday for you. Yeah, it's it's Wednesday, and
it's I don't know what time,eleven thirty in the morning. Ah,
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okay, well for me it isit is in the afternoon. This of
course, will be going out toall of our listeners on the second Friday
of the month December. Oh fantastic. But thank you for coming on across
the pond, if you will,the other pond as before, plenty of
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the ponds actually and sharing all ofthis with our listeners, and thank you
so much. And remember the deckagain is the Sacred chi Taro and you
can find it at your best shopsor is there a particular place that you
would like people to you know thereis let me just hold on just one
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second, because there's this absolutely beautifulonline people can get it at Beyond Words.
The publisher also online going to BeyondWords Publishing on their website. But
I think that this place that's calledAlda a l d Ea Aldaya Home and
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Baby and the website is aldiyahome dotcom and they are featuring the Sacred chi
Tero over the next two months intheir stores. They have a big shop
in LA and another one in SanFrancisco. Beautiful, beautiful store with all
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sorts of eclectic things for the homeand for your kids. And the woman
that runs it found out about thedeck recently and she's going to feature it
in her shop so people can orderit from Aldia Home as well, or
if they happen to be in inCalifornia, they can either go Francisco or
to LA and get it for themselves. That's one, yeah, exactly.
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Well, thank you again for yourtime for this afternoon, and thank you
again for sharing this beautiful moment withus. It's been lovely. Rose.
I'm so grateful to you for invitingme to have this moment with you.
Thank you. You've been listening toTarot Visions. Our theme music is Belting
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You're listening to Tarot Visions. Joinyour host Rose Red Robinson as she chats
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into witchcraft and magic in everyday life. Hello, and welcome to Taro Visions.
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Today. I've got the pleasure ofspeaking with Madeva Padma, the creatrix
of the Sacred. She tarot deckfeels more like an oracle to me because
of the beauty of it all.But it is a beautiful Tarot deck that
she's created. Now, She's alsodone some amazing work that you probably all
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are familiar with. Uh. TheOjo Zen is one of those that I
know a lot of the people thatI I talked to about have inspired them.
But now we get to talk aboutthis beautiful deck that you have coming
out. So welcome to Terot Visions. Thank you, Rose. Nice to
be with you. So the breathof this deck is so full, and
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I really appreciated the fact that youmade an effort to make it not like
every other deck. Yes, itacknowledges past decks that have existed, specifically
the writer Wait Smith and the Thoughtbecause of course, the sacred feminine of
the two artists in those decks,and that you did the art for this
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one as well as wrote the book. What inspired you though to change the
suits? Uh huh okay. Youknow, in the Terrot tradition, the
suits are designated symbolically with wands orswords or chalices, cups, and I
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in creating this deck, I wantedto kind of slice through the understanding of
Tero as being symbolic in terms ofsymbolism that is anchored in ancient traditions.
I wanted to offer the exquisite natureof Terro through a new lens, which
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was to separate out a lot ofthe traditional symbolism and offer the minor arcana
with four different colors for each ofthose suits, and the major arcana with
a fifth color, so that alltogether, these five colors that appear on
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the bottom of each card let thereader know, okay, I'm in the
major arcana now or the mad minorare kind of okay. So this card
that has green on the bottom isdealing with the suit of Earth, earthiness,
commerce, exchange, and so inthe older terminology it would be pentacles
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or coins, but in this deckit is this suit of Earth. So
it's so that people can work withit from an immediate recognition once they know
that those colors are designated different qualities, without needing to understand specific symbolism.
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In the past, I've been workingwith Terrot for sixty years. I deeply
love Terro, but I've found thatmany people are reluctant about entering into the
wonderful world of Terro because they feelthey don't understand stand it, and they
don't understand the meaning of why isthere a sword on this one? Or
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why are there staves running across thesky? What does that mean? And
so my whole passion with Toro hasbeen to articulate the essence of what is
in a card, but to doit in a way so that it banged
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and minute you see that image,you've got a good sense of what it's
saying. A lot of explanation becauseI like to think that Toro is a
personal, up close and personal journeythat it does not need to be dependent
upon someone who read it for you. Yeah, you can do it for
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yourself. It's a do it yourselfthing. My decks are do it yourself
decks. Yes, And I gotthat gut punch if you will. When
I was looking at the images justbecause of how full they are and how
vivid and how they don't hide anything. I mean, that's the one thing
I did like that you had done, and is a thing that many people
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are doing with the minors specifically,is making sure they're illustrated, and I
loved that you did that. ButI also liked that with every card you
had a special quote yes from differentpeople and we got to figure out where
they were. And then you alsoincluded in the book you know when people
are like, Okay, well thisisn't what we're used to. What card
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does this equate to? And youincluded that it's like just a little quick
here's what it is. Rwick Smith. Here it is in the thought.
And I think that those little nodsare helpful but are also not distracting,
so people can really look at whatyou're presenting in this new way and embrace
that new vision of how to seemore than just what we're used to,
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and how to expand and our connections. And it also feels a lot like
you did this with the intent ofalso connecting with the world around us,
which I think is beautiful. Sowhat inspired that for you to just after
all this time, because you've doneother decks, and you've worked with other
decks. What inspired you to dothis deck in this fashion? Yes,
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I began this deck in two thousandand seven having thought that I was finished
with deck making. I had createdthe Osho z Enturo, and then I
created the Deo Oracle, which isbased on the Eching, and those two
were enormous works that took many,many years and a lot of devotion.
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And in two thousand and seven Ihad a realization that the past deck work
that I had done with so muchlove and care was actually articulating the wisdom
of other beings. Let's say Laotsuwith the eaching, Let's say oh show
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with the oshow Zen. And Iwas faced with, Okay, Padma,
what's the story with you here?You are this woman who has lived an
extraordinary life. In many ways,you are wise in terms of the way
the terror works and also in termsof having walked many different walks throughout your
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lifetime. Why are you not offeringsomething that is from your own voice,
something that is gleaned out of thesteps that you have taken as a mother,
as a woman, as a disciple, as an artist, as a
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teacher, so I began to kindof I put together some imagery from my
paintings, because I've been an artisan'sI could walk and you know, I
began gathering together some of my imageryand then I thought, you know,
I think this needs to be anotherdeck, and I think it needs to
be somehow articulating from the voice ofwhat I call the divine feminine. It's
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the inner voice that speaks from thatvery deep, knowing place that is it's
not girly, it's not political.It's a place of It's like a huge
cup or a womb that holds everything. She is the wisdom through which all
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the other things can spin off andoccur. But the divine feminine voice is
our is the voice of the heart, the intuition, the great mother.
But I didn't want the deck tobecome a goddess deck as such. There's
lots of that and beautiful ones outthere. But at the same time I
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needed it to somehow feel as thoughit was embracing the offerings that have come
through the female lineage, through manywomen whose names we will never know,
and through at least two that Ihave adored since my girlhood, and that
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is Pamela Coleman Smith and Lady LadyFRIEDA. Harris. So I thought,
Okay, I'm gonna sit. I'mgoing to snuggle in between those two fabulous
souls and anchor the voice that I'moffering in the now in this wild and
wooly world that we're living in,and offer it in the now in the
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colors and the symbols of today.But have these two offerings by these extraordinary
women who created the two dicks thatI have always loved. So that's why
and how it came about. Andin the interim from two thousand and seven
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to now, I went through cancerand surgery for that, and then I
had to deal with a whole lotof issues having to leave our home and
move into a completely nether place,and then I had to have emergency heart
surgery. And so during all thoseyears up until the final work on the
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Sacred Chi, I realized that actuallylife needed to cook my goose a few
times before I was really primed andready to serve this beautiful piece of work.
I have to say that everybody's invitedto the table, because I feel
it is a multi course meal thatis nourishing to all men and women.
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Yes, I got that as well. Even though it is called the Sacred
she Taro, it is not exclusivelyor women. It does embrace that,
but it also embraces everything, andI think that is really amazing, and
I know, you know, inthe age that we live in, being
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it is a multicultural deck, whichI thought was beautiful as well. One
of my favorite cards is fourteen Integrity. It's the Night of the King of
Wand's excuse me, and it's justevery time I see it, I just
kind of like my heart, yeah, because in this image, it's a
young woman, you know, beingbolstered by what I'm going to assume is
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her father, but a strong malefigure. And then behind that are the
eyes that look like a king fromEgypt, plus a lion, plus a
lotus, and it's just oh somuch in one spot. But you know
that there is strength and support andfrom both the natural world, the spiritual
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world, and the human world,if you will, yes, all in
one spot. And that one that'sone of my favorite cards. So just
putting it out there, could Ijust add a little something here because I
just want to give you a treat. There's a few little stories that go
with the imagery on that card becausethat card was one of the last ones
that I did and it was veryimportant to me that it hit all the
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boxes. And I don't know ifyou're familiar, there's a very well known
sculpture by a woman that is calledthe Fearless Girl. It's a sculpture in
New York. Yes, and sheput her hands on her hips and she's
standing there and it's like, I'mhere and this is it, and you're
going to have to deal with mebefore you're going to go any farther,
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because this is what I've got tosay. And she's young and she's strong,
she's the Fearless Girl. Well,I modeled that little girl on the
card as the Fearless Girl. Andshe is wearing a phoenix on her T
shirt. Yes, phoenix rises outof the flames. The flames are actually
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what makes the phoenix become something extraordinary. And the eye behind her has got
her back, and how well muscledup he is is a school of the
masculine aspect of integrity, which iswise and strong and generous and yes,
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fothering, compassionate and very forward lookingwithout being driven. He's very stable.
The eyes of horace on ie sideof the card from the Egyptian symbolism are
the all seeing eye. Nothing ismissed. The eye of Orus is not
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non judgmental, it is just incrediblywise through what it is able to see.
And then the lion which is behindall of them, the lion is
the king. Yeah. And soin the suit of Fire of vital dynamic
energy, that's the suit that hasthe red at the bottom of the card.
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You've got a lot of stuff inthat gorgeous image. And every one
of my images is like that.They're all really bad. Yes, it
is, and that's why I loveit. And I also like the fact
that all of your aces are notace, they're they're the number one.
Yes. And I like that toobecause it's that clarity of note we start
here, yes, you know,we build up two. And the fact
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that again the rest of the cardsthat go through for the courts, you
don't have them separated out, whichI really love as well, is that
they are still part of that numberprogression and people can wrap their brain around
that, I think, and italso makes it more able to connect with
it versus becoming this now this anotherthing. It feels a little separate.
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I like the way that you've broughtit into it. Even though it does
have its place, it's still moreconnected, you know, as I'm looking
through, you know, with scrutinynumber eleven, which is the page of
swords, and how it's very mucha beginning image and you can look into
it, but you're still continuing fromthe rest of the suit. It's not
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separate like a tarot deck might be. And what inspired that for you to
make that continuity so flow so well? You know, because I am a
very passionate artist, and I havehad many exhibitions over the years, and
I have found that when they're isa flow of imagery as people move around
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in a space looking at different creations, if there is a kind of deeply
grounded thread that moves through. Forme, that thread is self awareness,
consciousness, meditation, kindness. Andso in wanting to bring that into what
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I create in a deck, therewas a need to make it as easy
as possible for anyone to benefit fromplaying with this thing, using it,
so that it doesn't become a sourceof worry or oh they're not getting it
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right, or I don't know whatthis means. They can simply pull a
card and sink into it and feelas though whatever the next one is that
they pull, they kind of threadtogether. It's like a necklace, it
kind of. It all sort ofsings together. No matter where you are
in the deck and each of thesuits, if you go from like the
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one to the fourteen, no onecard is more important than the other.
It doesn't mean that the one isthe most important or the fourteenth is the
most important. Each one is exquisitein itself. Some are really hard hitting,
like a bang on the head,and some of them are just like
luscious desserts. But they all havemeaning and they all are worthy of our
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reflecting on. Aha, what doesthis mean for me right now? What
do I see of myself in thisright now? That's what they're for.
And I think that's just beautiful becausethat's that's that feeling that I get when
I'm looking at them. Again,I don't actually have the deck, dear
listeners, but I will. Okay, sorry for the mohahas out there,
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but it's how I feel because thisis such a beautiful deck that I just
kind of like, I am notjust going to collect it. I'm going
to be using it more. Theother thing I really loved is that not
only did you include these quotes?You also have a selection of where they
come from and where you collected them. What inspired you to take that journey
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and collect these quotes to make surethat you had them, or did they
just kind of quote this makes senseto go with the cards. You know,
As I said earlier, I beganthis deck in two thousand and seven
and went through a whole lot ofchanges, and in the last couple of
years before completing it, I wasin that kind of like final surge of
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energy where things were really getting done, and it was like, okay,
you know, the deck has beenproposed to some publishers and they've said yes,
aha, we want to do it, and the book was being designed
and it was all great, andyou know, we were heading to the
finish line. And then I wokeup one morning with this sort of epiphany
moment that was like, wait aminute, this deck needs to be a
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chorus of voices. This needs tobe not just one woman's story. This
needs to be the story of humankindnow in this day and age, and
let it be a reflection of thevoices of men and women around the world,
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young old professional grandmas that are youknow, watering their tomatoes. All
of us have something to say.So I having been part of a community
of like mind it's for many manyyears that has spread all over the world.
I just decided to invite people intothe project that I was bringing to
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completion. I would send them animage of a card and say, do
you have anything to say regarding whatthis image means to you? What does
this prompt in you? And pleasedon't quote Osho or Buddha or Roomy or
tick not On or any of theother wise ones that we adore and that
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we revere, but speak from yourown self, speak from your own experience,
because I would love for this deckto have a quality of our commonality,
the integrity and the beauty that comesthrough people who are reflecting upon their
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own lives and are able to sharefrom that place of their own self,
understanding their own awareness. It's like, it's what I call kitchen wisdom,
you know, It's like the cupof tea and the sit down and really
getting into it with a dear friend. And I wanted to have that kind
of quality, and I think itdoes. I think it actually pulls that
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off. The thing that was socrazy about it was when this moment of
Oh, you know, I reallywant to do this, this is necessary
to be part of it. Thebook had already been designed, and the
publishers were like, wait a minute, Wait a minute, who are these
people that you're wanting to quote.I mean, what is this all about?
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Yeah, you know, And soI went through this whole thing,
and it set the project back alittle bit time wise, because some convincing
was needed, because you know,if it had been famous individuals being quoted,
there would have been no problem.But this was like, you know,
Joe Blow and the guy that deliversthe milk and the girl that works
in the library. So you know, it was like okay, but they
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got it. They got it,and they said yes. And you know,
there were a whole bunch of thingsthat I needed to get done and
then vocant to be redesigned, andwe did it. Gopa Campbell, my
designer, is a genius. AndI think that really what it does is
it sets this deck apart, becauseyes, it's a creation of one individual,
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but it's also a creation that hascome through the wisdom of the people
of today. Yes, and that'skind of what I really loved about it,
was that those quotes just make thatnext step for understanding. In my
opinion, yeah yeah, And oneof my favorite cards in general is always
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going to be the Lover's card becausethat's my birth card. But I love
how simplistic the image that you didis it's two candles and one flame.
Yes, And I thought that,you know, that was just simple and
beautiful and and and yet still veryclear, very profound. But I also
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wanted to read, if I cando it without messing it up, the
quote that you included, and ifyou could remind me of which person it
is. If not, well I'lllook it up. Okay, Now let
me just say, let me justsay that quote is from the fifteen hundreds.
Oh okay, that is Saint Teresaof Abula. Oh okay. And
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that is the only quote from anancient source that I've found so profound and
so absolutely perfect in articulating the essenceof the card of love. Well,
and I would agree, So I'mgoing to do my best to not mess
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it up and read it. Sounion may be symbolized by two waxed candles,
the tips of which touch each otherso closely that there is but one
light, or again, the wick, the wax, and the light become
one, but the one candle canagain be separated from the other, and
the two candles remain distinct. Butspiritual marriage is like the rain falling from
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heaven into a river or stream,becoming one and the same liquid, so
that the river and the rain watercannot be divided, or it reassembles a
streamlet flowing into the ocean, whichcannot afterwards be disunited from it. This
marriage may also be likened to aroom into which a bright light enters through
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two windows, though divided, whenit enters, the light becomes one and
the same. And it was justthat because again, when I look at
card decks, I look at twocards, the levers and the death card,
and this quote, just like yeah, made me know that this was
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just the right moment, the feel, the embracing of that card in general,
and sharing it with anyone who wouldread it. It's so beautiful.
So I wanted to share that becauseI wanted to get those people to see
it. It's so beautiful. Andeach each of the different ones that you've
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chosen are similarly. They hit similarlyin my in my card, my deck,
my my chest. I should sayso thank you for that, and
thank you for letting me mess itup too much. No you didn't.
It was lovely, thank you.But I would ask you what what one
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was the surprise card to you whenyou were doing this this stick? What
one surprised you with how it camethrough for you? There were there were
a couple. I will first speakof the card that is traditionally called the
fool, and in this deck itis called beginning. And when I did
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the full card that it is notenuro. It was done very much in
the way that in most decks thefool of Pears is stepping off a cliff,
you know, and I had doneit. You know, he's stepping
into this amazing landscape and he's sortof you know, like a like like
a dancer in a way, he'sleaping off. Usually the fool is depicted
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as male, and there's often aquality of he's falling into something or he's
leaping into something, and there's theterm fool goes along with naivete rash in
the movement, so that it's notutterly very very conscious, it's more of
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a kind of haphazard activity. Andin the Sacred She I wanted the first
card of the deck, the beginningof the whole entrance into the deck to
be one of rising up rather thanfalling down. And I needed it to
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feel feminine without being girly. Girlyshe is clearly there is a youthfulness,
and the youthfulness represents innocence, butit also represents vitality and health and well
being. But her wings are enormous, yes, and they are like an
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eagles wing. You don't get eagleswings powerful like that unless you are able
to truly soar. And she hasall the colors of the rainbow on the
feathers of her wings. She isable to soar through any aspect of the
color spectrum and all of the emotionsand qualities that go with all of those
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different qualities and aspects. She isabove the clouds. It's not saying that
she's ungrounded. It's saying that shehas risen up from the earthly into a
place where she is able to perceivea vastness and overview and it is full
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of light. There is no boundboundary there, there is no quality of
danger there because you can feel thatshe is empowered. Yeah, that is
yeah, So all of that gotpacked into out one guard and I think
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it works, It really does,because I don't get that, you know,
when I when I'm doing readings forpeople and we get the fool and
it's you know, it's reminding themto take the leap of faith. Yeah,
it will. And with this it'sembrace your faith you already know,
yes, yes, exactly, rememberthat you already have, yes, and
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rise. And I do like alsothe quote that you put with that as
well, you know, come withme, you are me. We cannot
be separated. Let the rest bea surprise to the to the listener to
feel it. But it's so beautifulbecause it's again it reminds us to embrace
ourselves and sore instead of falling intosomething, but leaping if you will,
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yes too, yes, the spacethat is ours if we are open to
that. Yes. So what wasthe other one that you were talking that
you were saying was a okay,let me just sit with you for a
minute. Okay. Another one wasthe card of Joy also in what is
called the major arcana, you know, in the tradition family Coleman Smith did
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it with a beautiful little pudgy babysitting on the white horse and the sun
behind and the sunflowers and the bannersand that whole thing of like the joyful
moment on the white pony, andit's just so uplifting and so lushious,
and I wanted to bring in thequality of all that sweetness. And it
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doesn't make any difference how old youare, but we all taste that space
of like the complete delight that thecard symbolizes. And I thought, you
know, kids and animals are absoluteexpressions of that delight. You know,
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you see you see a dolphin leapingout of the water, or you see
a pony gamboling across the paddock,or you know, a turtle finally making
it to the edge of the waterand dipping in, kangaroo's hopping around.
There's just this whole thing of thedelight of a puppy in a girl's lap,
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surrounded by the images of these gorgeousanimals. And as an homage to
Pamela Coleman Smith, we've got thatson behind had so beautifully put in her
image. And you know, I'vereally enjoyed kind of tucking in little elements
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from other cards from other decks thatI love, And so the Card of
Joy, when I was looking forsomeone to do the quote for the Card
of Joy. A friend of minewho is an award winning poet. She's
the Poet Laureate in Marine County,California. She's teaching poetry for years.
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She does it fabulous books, children'sbooks and poetry books, also for adults.
Her name is Prato Sereno. AndI said to Prato, I want
to send you the Card of Joy, because Parto had been sending me images
of her paintings for her latest bookof poetry, and she wrote the poem
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specifically for the Card of Joy.And it is just like, oh my
god. You know, it's justtoo good. It's too sweet. It's
so poignant and meaningful, yes andkind yes, yeah. Well, And
the thing you don't know about meis the Sun card is not one of
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my favorite cards. But this maybecome one of my favorite cards. Okay,
okay, it's a different spin onit. This is the spin of
reminding all of us to look andexperience the joy that the sun can represent.
Yes, is with that card.And it's so beautifully articulated in Parto's
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poem. Joy can come so silently. It doesn't necessarily come in bouncing and
bright. It can come in amoment of tenderness where you can feel your
heart smile and say, oh myGod, yes, yes, that that's
sweetness. I think, more thananything, it is a card of self
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love and the sweetness of what itis to be given this gift of being
alive. It's a gift and Ithink this The poem and the card embraced
that so well. So thank youfor that. So what card were you
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least? You know, how doyou pick the child that you don't love
the most out of your babies?But what one was the one that was
the hardest for you to really wrapyourself into with this process? You know,
I there were a few cards thatI felt I needed some help with
in terms of they were dealing withdifficult and painful dynamics, and I wanted
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to make sure that I had doneenough homework in terms of the bigger picture,
because I lived in nature in Australia, in the outback, in an
area where I'm surrounded by beauty andyou know, there's no noise except from
the animals that are around and thebirds, And so I thought I got
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it. I got to open mywindow wider to be able to address grief
and to address anxiety. Yeah,and heartbreak, because because these are very
alive in the world today, wherewe are confronted with situations not only in
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our own personal lives, but inthe wider world that are so catastrophic and
frightening. And how to put animage to each of these and how it
makes sense and have it include amessage that soothes the heart and opens the
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inner consciousness to perceive that this toois a teaching this too has a message
that can benefit not only myself interms of creating empathy, in terms of
creating compassion, in terms of forgiveness. So a therapist friend of mine who
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works with trauma, was a manthat I reached out to and he supported
two of the cards. One ofthem is the card of repression. Another
friend of mine who was in theUkraine dealing with trauma in the Ukraine and
his work that he does, andhe left the Ukraine and then he was
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heading to Turkey, and that's allhe does is go to places where there's
been catastrophic occurrences to assist the peoplethere in being able to step out of
the horror that they are surrounded inand move into a place where they can
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become centered again within their own cellsand their own lives that they can move
forward. His name is Samudro PhilipLake, and his quote is with the
card of grief, and that caris you know, you just see the
profile of a face. It's alllike gray and foggy. There's tears,
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there's weeping, but the tears arewatering a single flower, red poppy,
and that poppy is rising up,fragile as it is, but the tears
are what it is, providing itlife. Traditionally in the world, poppies
always represent the fields of the fallen, the soldiers who have gone, those
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whose lives have been taken away.And his words are exquisite, and you
know, so again this is anexample of the words, the imagery,
and the longing on the part ofthe artist to integrate all of this so
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that when it goes out into theworld, it's not just another beautiful deck.
It's a deck that's got a kindof a part in the term,
but it's got a kind of aone two punch. It's going to get
you in the heart, and it'sgoing to get you in your mind.
It's going to open you up andcreate hopefully a raising in terms of your
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conscious awareness of how intimate we allare with this thing called life. None
of us are separate from it.And I think that if people can go
into this deck with that in mind, they will get so much more out,
yes than any others that I've seenso far. What would be a
thing that you would want people totake away from this deck just using it?
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You know? I would love forpeople to be able to use this
deck not for divining their future ororienting them toward anything other than where they
are in the moments. They useit as a means for reflecting upon themselves
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and the world in which they're livingat the moment, in the here and
now. I think that we areprone to escape our reality by looking for
anything anywhere that will get us outof the now that we're impatient in.
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We don't like it, we're unhappy, or we're wanting to change it in
some way. It needs to bedifferent. And I think that if the
Sacred she can become like a kindof best friend, like a kind of
things that are shared not with everybody, but just between you and this best
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bestie, so that you can confideand you can be benefited by what she
has to offer and you can learnmore about yourself and the things that you're
wanting to that you are resisting,and the things that you are going Okay,
okay, okay. I can takethis in and I can take baby
steps into maybe trying a new wayso that it helps people to grow past
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their limitations, so that they canexpand into a broader way of embracing life
and feeling embraced by life, becausewe're all here for a purpose, even
if we don't know what the purposeis. Life wants you here. Therefore,
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Hurrah, welcome me here. Yeah, get into the program, darling,
you know, and the sacred shousedfor celebrating that. Yes, and
and I get that, I personallyget that, but I know that that's
you know. And what I reallyliked the other little bits that I really
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like that you've added is a glossaryof symbolism, yes, for people as
well as books. Yes, youknow. And I think that is that
little bit more that this deck providespeople. Not just here's my deck,
here's you know, some inspiration,but here's some other things that can help
you grow and use for yourself.Yeah. So I thought that was beautiful.
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How did you choose the books thatyou chose? There are books that
I have in my library. I'ma reader. I love books, and
I wanted to have books, particularlyfor the Sacred shey as, books that
are authored by women. And thething is that I'm an aquarian and so
my you know, right off thebat, I'm going to be looking at
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I want this to be for myworld. I want this to be for
the society and the humans and thepeople. And let's take it up a
notch, guys. So those booksthat are there in my little book list
at the back are all very meaningfuland very uplifting, full of wisdom,
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humor, sensitivity, spirituality, thelot. It's a good list, Yeah,
it is. I was looking throughit and going, okay, I've
read that one. That one,I've got to read that one. So
no, really good. Yeah.And then my last question for right now
is with the spreads that you created, Yes, what was the one that
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was the one you definitely had tohave in here because I know that that
I see that you did your owntake on the Celtic Cross. Yeah,
yeah, which I which I appreciated. But I'm looking through the others and
trying to figure out which one isthe one that is specifically padme that is
your had to have well, tobe perfectly honest, it's it's the first
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one. It's the it's the hereand now. Yeah, that's it.
It's the pearl of wisdom. It'sthe nail it. Because readings, God
knows, readings are amazing for reallydoing in depth storyline related to an event
or whatever it is that is needingto be investigated somehow. But for me,
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every day I pull a single card. I just pull one and I
sit with it, and i'd bewith it, and I always when I'm
doing a reading, I touch thecards to my heart first, and I
feel my heart pumping into the deck. And then I put it to my
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third eye and I let my mind, my consciousness, my ability to see
beyond what I know, into thedeck. I pull a card and I
get satisfaction. Oh nice. Shehas walked through many, many places,
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and she's come to the place whereshe can sit there with a bowl of
cream. She's got it all andshe deserves it. And others may be
envious, dubious, but what it'swell earned. That's beautiful. Thank you.
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On that note, I will saythank you that that's just that's beautiful.
Well, thank you for your time, and coming on from Australia.
I'm guessing that it's Wednesday for you. Yeah, it's it's Wednesday, and
it's I don't know what time,eleven thirty in the morning. Ah,
(44:49):
okay, well for me it isit is in the afternoon. This of
course, will be going out toall of our listeners on the second Friday
of the month December. Oh fantastic. But thank you for coming on across
the pond, if you will,the other pond as before, plenty of
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the ponds actually and sharing all ofthis with our listeners, and thank you
so much. And remember the deckagain is the Sacred chi Taro and you
can find it at your best shopsor is there a particular place that you
would like people to you know thereis let me just hold on just one
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second, because there's this absolutely beautifulonline people can get it at Beyond Words.
The publisher also online going to BeyondWords Publishing on their website. But
I think that this place that's calledAlda a l d Ea Aldaya Home and
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Baby and the website is aldiyahome dotcom and they are featuring the Sacred chi
Tero over the next two months intheir stores. They have a big shop
in LA and another one in SanFrancisco. Beautiful, beautiful store with all
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sorts of eclectic things for the homeand for your kids. And the woman
that runs it found out about thedeck recently and she's going to feature it
in her shop so people can orderit from Aldia Home as well, or
if they happen to be in inCalifornia, they can either go Francisco or
to LA and get it for themselves. That's one, yeah, exactly.
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Well, thank you again for yourtime for this afternoon, and thank you
again for sharing this beautiful moment withus. It's been lovely. Rose.
I'm so grateful to you for invitingme to have this moment with you.
Thank you. You've been listening toTarot Visions. Our theme music is Belting
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Celtic fire Dance by Julius H.Michael Charboneau is our editor. Come continue
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