- Tech lifestyle expert Mario Armstrong is in the house! We hear about a handful of tech toys that could make for great gifts ahead of Father’s Day (June 15th) or as a graduation gift
- Is AI putting your career at risk? I pose that simple question to Jaymes Davis, Chief Technical Evangelist at Kasm Technologies
- Slickdeals has saved me a ton of cash over the past few years. How does it work? We’re joined by Vitaly Pecharsky, Head of Deals at Slickdeals
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All right, on today's show, we're going to kick things
off with tech lifestyle expert Mario Armstrong, who was broadcasting
out of New York, sharing his favorite gadget gift ideas
for dads, ingrats for Father's Day and graduation, and I'm
going to do the same next week, by the way,
So lots of variety if you're looking for some ideas.
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So we're going to kick off tech it Out today
with a chat about great gadget gift ideas for a
Father's Day coming up on June fifteenth, or for anyone
that has a graduate in their house. So we're going
to talk with Mario in a minute, Super Mario, and
then after that we're going to catch up with a
gentleman by the name of James Davis, chief technical evangelist
(02:31):
for a company called Kasm. That's Kasm, and we're going
to talk about AI taking your job. Do you have
anything to worry about? He says no. I'm going to
politely challenge him on that and give some examples of
things that are happening where people are being replaced to
some extent. So we're going to chat with James about
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new show with our first interview. If you're stuck in
gift giving limbo for a father's Day or graduation, take note.
Digital lifestyle expert Mario Armstrong is here to share his
top gift ideas for the dad or grad in your
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life this season. I'm Mario, good to chat with you again,
and happy almost Father's Day to you.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yay, that's right, having almost Father's Day to you as well.
Congratulations to all the graduates out there. So what a
great season. Twenty twenty five, the class of twenty twenty five.
Congrats now everybody, and I.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Do have a grad in the home this year. My
daughter Maya graduated from college from university, so appreciate the
kind words. Going to grad school in the fall, congratulations,
Thank you. My other kids are still at school. So hey,
why don't we jump right in? I always love your suggestions.
Why don't we start with some tech that can be
used for work or play for those dads and grads
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out there.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Uh, that's just great start man, and I've partnered up
with some awesome brands with some great gift ideas. We'll
start with the tech as you mentioned. And for grads
that are into gaming or creative fields or dads that
want a premium laptop, I really recommend the HP Ohmen
Mac sixteen gaming laptop. It's a perfect fit because it's
a high performing laptop for gaming but also video editing,
three D rendering, and a lot more. And with their
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Unleashed mode you can get a performance boost that increases power,
so it's really ideal for gamers looking for high frame
rates or creators that need that fast the processing that
we all need. And it also has its own cooling system.
So with the Omen Tempest Cooling Pro, your system will
stay cool and.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Quiet as well.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
And both Dad and Grevill also love Hpece hyper X
Cloud three S wireless gaming headset. Now, this is perfect
for the serious gamer or content creator, but it also
has this precise virtual three D sound stage, which really
makes it awesome for competitive gaming because you can hear
where things are really coming from. It has an attachable
boom mic which is great. You could take that off
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when you're not gaming and get this up to two
hundred hours of battery life on Bluetooth and it can
instant pair to your Hpomen Max laptop as well, and
it can connect to other Bluetooth devices too. One of
my favorite things though when I wear headphones is how
comfortable are they over long periods of time? And this
has the hyper x signature memory foam in the headband
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and in the ear cushions, which makes them really comfortable
to wear.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Awesome, Mario. I love gaming too, and these devices make
for great gifts, but I know that you also have
a practical gift on your list that can actually help
dads and grads stay organized.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It's true and I actually have this particular item the Kindlescribe,
it's really the ultimate note taking companion, and it's a
productivity powerhouse because it's a hybrid. It's a Kindle notebook hybrid.
It lets you read and write and what's really great
in any light, doesn't matter how bright it is. It's
got this paper like feel, which is really awesome when
you're writing on it, Like dads can plan their week
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or they can sketch out projects or mark up documents.
And of course it's all digital, so it's easy to
organize all your notes and everything. And speaking of notes,
graduates can write directly notes in books, professionals can use
the built in notebook to jot down meeting highlights, and
even has AI that can summarize those notes for you
or refine them for sharing.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And my favorite is.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
That it's notification free, like no notifications, no pinging, no
things jumping up on your screen, so no distractions with
the Kindlescribe.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, lots of advantages. You can read it outdoors, where
on a tablet that's not so easy, and hey Amazon,
it's no stranger to AI, but they've really nailed it
with this by not just transcribing your handwriting into text,
but also giving you summaries of the note taking during that,
you know, boardroom meeting or a school lecture if they're
not quite a grad yet. Really, it's a very versatile
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device that kindles scribe super comfortable as well to write on. Now,
next up, Mario, what if Dad has green thumb? This
timely question, I think, and once the perfect yard.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I got to tell you too, I'm pretty competitive.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
My neighbors don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
That I'm competitive with my lawn again.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
But I really like a nice lawn. Oh you're one
of those, huh I am.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I try to keep it. I try to keep it
under control, but I am one of those. So Dad
will love Era Green. It's technology that delivers this perfect
amount of water exactly where your law needs it. It
gives you the greenest, lushiest lawn ever. And if you're
trying to figure out how to spell that.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's irr I green gr ee.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
And what it does is it can actually map digitally
map your yard and then it can automate the watering
based on satellite weather data that's going to be happening
and your unique landscape.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
So this way you.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Won't have muney puddles or brown spots or both, and
just one ear Green sprinkler head replaces up to six
traditional heads.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So you can actually map out your lawn.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
If you go to iragreen dot com I did this myself,
you can map your lawn see how much water you
would save and also how many of the Iragreen sprinkler
heads you would actually need. And you can also enter
my name, Mario if you really want it for ten
percent off.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Thanks. And speaking of saving money, that to me is
one of the best things about this is I pay
a lot for my water bill and so this is
a way more efficient approach to watering your lawn because
you're not wasting water unnecessarily both, you know, having it
land on the pavement like on a sidewalk or on
the driveway where you don't need to water your driveway
unless it's made of grass, you know. And I love that.
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So it's getting really target and.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I love that it knows the weather and so it's like, oh,
it's going to rain tomorrow, We're not going to turn
the know on exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well, that sounds like smarter smart home technology.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
We are chatting with digital lifestyle expert Mario Armstrong. He's
here to shore. There are some gift ideas for dads
and grads this season, and finally, Mario, what would you
say is your go to gift for guys in particular?
This season? We are talking Father's Day, Yes.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
We are talking Father's Day, and dads need to smell good.
I love smelling good. I love it when someone says says, oh,
you smell so good. So my go to for the
guys this season is Old Spice Fiji and a Perspont
deodorant and Fiji body wash because it's going to keep
you fresh. The Fijiani personal deodorant, by the way, is
twenty four to seven lasting freshness. It's gentle on the
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skin thanks to boosted skin conditioners, and the Fiji body
wash is upgraded. It's got to enhance moisturizers. It's gonna
keep your skin feeling smooth and free fresh. And it
kind of you know, it feels like you just wrestle
a waterfall and you beat it, you like one, and
you still smell great from doing it. So both of
these products are at Walmart.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Good check come out.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Wrestling a waterfall. That's an expression I've never heard you say,
but I.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Love it wresting the waterfall, spring fresh.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And it's true with our annual hugg ats cees you
do smell good, my friend. That that is just true.
It's not easy showed to smell good at No.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
It's not an easy showing us all good at Thanks advice,
We s tak and where can we go for details
on everything you've chatted about today? Mario, we are funky
less because of oldswic at ces. You can go right
through the website. Everything is on there at Indnews dot tv.
We got links, video, pictures, everything there. And Happy Father's
(10:24):
Day and congratulations.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
To all the grands out there. Awesome, Mario, right back
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Speaker 2 (11:40):
Welcome back to check it Out. It seems we can't
go a day without hearing about or reading about AI,
and more specifically generative AI or jen AI. After all,
it is a wonderful tool to help us write better,
build itineraries, craft business plans, create images or videos, and
so much more. But if it can do so much,
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can it also come after your job? Joining us to
chat is James Davis, chief technical evangelists at Chasm Technologies.
Thanks for your time today, James. I heard you chuckle
going after your job. I'm sure that is a legitimate
concern about AI. How are you?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I'm doing well, I'm doing well.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So before we talk about this topic, which I know
you've got some thoughts on, tell us a bit about
yourself and the company, Chasm Technologies, which for our listeners
is spelled KASM.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Absolutely sure.
Speaker 7 (12:30):
You know, I've spent my career working on what I
call the friends of technology. It's kind of the edge
of disruption and opportunity, right KASM. I deal a lot
with the emerging markets, a lot of the innovation in
those markets, and you know, at Chasm Technologies, we basically
we reimagine how people are interacting.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
With digital workspaces.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
We build a platform that basically allows you to deliver
your business critical applications and workloads to any browser enabled device,
whether it be TV, whether it be Raspberry Pie or
you know, laptop or any other device, whether it's secure
remote work AI operations or regulated environments. We're about empowering
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organizations to connect and control how they actually work in
cyder workspace.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
As a technical evangelist, that implies that you are preaching
about the benefits of tech and AI. You know, and
I mentioned some of the highlights for me off the
top ways that people are leveraging AI for good, but
it would be remiss not to acknowledge there are some
downsides to AI. Let's talk about them. I know there's
a bunch like accuracy, and you know, the ethics of
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using this and even environmental issues impacts of all these
servers around the world running these prompts when we type
into question or a command. Can we talk about some
of the downsides, including having your job replaced by artificial intelligence?
Speaker 7 (13:54):
Well, you know, you know, I definitely think that as
one of the biggest risks in AR are leasings.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Just to clarify, a hallucination is when AI gives you
an answer and it maintains it's truthful, like it's the
real thing, but it's not. It may be factually incorrect
or biased.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
Well, I believe it's the best with the marketing right,
because marketing they did a great job, because when I hallucinate,
they usually call that a lie.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
And so you know, why do you think AI tells
let's call it a lie. But even though it doesn't
know or doesn't tell you that it's a lie, how
does this happen? Because it's using data sets right that's
been programmed right, or uses articles and information that are
online already.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
Well, I think that's that's exactly at the heart of
what I'm describing here. It's it's that the biggest downside
to AI is misplaced trust. Right, we started relying on
AI for decisions without understanding how it reaches those conclusions.
Even a small change of context, a synonym a big prompt.
(14:55):
I mean, you know, it could completely change a different
sometimes incorrect outcomes. I mean, I'm sure you know when
you start looking at words, there are synonyms that mean
the same thing, but in the right context they mean
something entirely different.
Speaker 8 (15:10):
Right.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
Unfortunately, you know, large language models didn't have that type
of training. They trained on a lot of different understandings
of predicting the next word, not necessarily predicting the next
word in the right context in this conversation.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
So a lot of that is really the piece.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Right, and the danger is in that AI is wrong.
It's that when we stop questioning that, that's when we
start working about you know, worry about the eyes is
going wrong now you know that all said, it's not
doom in gloom and in the replacement theory, I mean,
what's really been happening is really overlap. It's not necessarily replacement.
It's more like overlapping on somebody's job. AI's trends are
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have already been seeing like technologies like RPA which robotic
process automation, which handle repetitive tasks for years already.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
The difference in this situation is scale in.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Speed, and just to backtrack on something you said, you
called it a large language model or LM. These are
apps that are pretty commonplace today, such as Chat, GPT
or Google, Gemini, Copilot Plus and deep Seek. So these
are large language models. Going back to replacing your jobs,
it's interesting. I had G two Patel on this show
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about a month ago. He's the president of Cisco, and
he said to me, don't be afraid of AI taking
your job. Be afraid of someone who knows how to
use AI from taking your job. Is that fair? Do
you agree with G two?
Speaker 7 (16:33):
I would actually even sharpen it even more. It's not
just about knowing AI, it's about mastering digital dexterity, right,
And that's what we figured out between you know, when
COVID happened, when you all had to go home and
everybody had to use their own computers and start really
figuring out how to start working from remotes or things
of that nature, and interacting with new tool sets that
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they may interact with, like virtual desktops or you know,
Office three sixty five or any of these.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Type of things that were foreign to them.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
So it's a level of digital dictarity and understanding that
we're in what's called a centaur error, and this is
the we're most effective professionals and those who know how
to partner with AI. That's what gives you the edge, right,
not just AI alone how you use it. I think
mister Brittel's point was, don't fear the tool. You're not
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knowing how to wield the tool, right, It's.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
It's a sword. It's it's a sword.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
Just you know, if I will then I don't know
how to use it, I'd may cut my arm off.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Nice fair. We're chatting with James Datus, chief technical evangelist
at Chasm Technologies. We're talking AI, but I wanted to
have you on the program to talk about job replacement
because that I think is a genuine fear. If my
emails any indication from listeners and readers of my articles,
people are already telling me that they are facing job
(17:56):
cuts because their boss is finding ways to use cheap
or free AI and So, James, when we return, I'm
gonna pick your brain about that. I'm a journalist and
there are large language models. I can write amazing articles,
So want to chat with you about that. Stick with us, everyone,
We'll be right back with more. Check it out on
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Welcome back to check it out everyone. We're chatting with
James Davis. He's CTE, chief Technical evangelist at company called
Chasm Technologies. Now, before the break, James, we were talking
about AI replacing your jobs. I really do want to
press you on this to get your take on how
real this is in twenty twenty five starting to happen.
(19:01):
I think I'm a journalist, for example, James, there are
large language models like chat GPT can write articles very well. Thankfully,
I'm often hired to give my opinion, which is a
bit harder for AI to do. Not impossible, but I.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Think it's a nuance.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Actually, it's not that they're not they're taking of it's
the nuance is that it's replacing tasks, right, tasks that
you were doing before, no entire professions. You know, if
I were to ask you, as you said a journalist,
I said, does your title really indicate or depict everything
that you got to do in a day? Right, So,
(19:35):
there's so many different systems that you interact with on
a daily basis that replacing certain tasks don't necessarily replace
the actual profession itself. I mean, is AI is best
at a repetitive, predictable work like triage and support tickets,
analyzing logs, parsing forms. This allows me, my computer or
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my customer support technician to you move to higher level
problems with that are part of the organization, versus being
bonged down.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
By this ticket or triage.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
In that nature, when the object is more human, the
task is more human. Like, as an example, when that
ticket comes in, it's the CEO, right, unless his name
says CEO on the ticket, like, it doesn't have the
problem solving or the empathy necessary to act immediately on
that particular ticket because hey, it's the CEO, right.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
So if the more AI acts as a co.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Pilot in those particular situations, not as replacement in that
particular situation.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I hope you're right, but I feel that you know,
it's called gen or generative AI for a reason. It's
creating content now.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Instead of hiring a photographer to take a photo of
a you know, let's say, a couple on a beach
for a magazine's cover story, you can just now, in seconds,
ask AI to generate an image of to say, like
a Caucasian couple between forty five and fifty five a
margarita on a beach during sunset, and it'll do it,
and most people won't be able to tell it's not real.
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That's where I think the fear is not repetitive tasks
like having a robot on an assembly line at a
car manufacturer helping to build an engine.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
So generator to.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
AI has curiosity, but it doesn't have the continued point
of interacting.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
With those systems.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
So even if you did give me a picture that
had all those things in place, I would still have
to do the next stage or the next step of
getting it approved, perhaps going through different compliances. Things are
those natures, those are the systems that are interacted with.
So the task of creating absolutely I may not have
needed a graphic artist. That may have you usually utilized
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it that way, but hopefully if there is a true
Centauri revolution in this situation, that graphic artist is the
one employing multiple agents that build those images for him
and then gives the human okay to move out.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
I think it's it's still.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Here to say that there are certain characteristics around whether,
even as a journalist, right, the conversation of whether the
piece came from a human or whether the piece came
from a computer does make a difference to the individual.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Right, if I'm at the hospital and.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
The computer gives me a readout and says it looks
like it's going to be cancer, I may want a
second opinion.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
That the second opinion may need to be human.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, just saying that's a good point. Good point. So
it's a tool that someone can have in their arsenal
to from your vantage points, it's a lot of it
is work related, so to help you know, find efficiencies,
maybe boost profits, that kind of thing, do more with
less in the workplace. On the topic of job replacement
without beating that topic to death, and before we wrap up,
I think it was the head of IBM's Watson department
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once told me that for every job that automation replaces,
like AI or a robot or self driving car, the
industry around that will create three to four net new
jobs for everyone it takes away. They're just different jobs.
You've already hinted that you've got to review that photo
that was generated to make sure it was good and
you know, maybe touch it up, you know, that kind
of thing. And then there's like coding.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
I was gonna say that there was a lawyer, there
was a lawyer group that basically they used chat CPT
to build their brief that they turned into the actual judge.
And unfortunately, the actual chat EBT created six cases that
didn't actually exist to make its precedence at its point.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Yeah, right, And of course that lawyer, of course.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
You know, they got fined and of course they lost
the case for this overall thing.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
But yeah, just at that layer alone, there's danger.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, no doubt, hallucinations indeed creating six cases that didn't exist.
And before I let you go, James, I know there's
something that you've discussed in the past, which is, I
believe you call it five things needed to keep AI safe, ethical,
responsible and true. Can you give us a summary of that.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Yeah, so it's more of an involved in guiding mindset. Right,
So number one, always invite AI to the tape. If
you're going to make it a partner, the whole thing
is to bring in as a participant. Let it help
make some of those conversation points. Use AI for decision
making support, and that support is ideation, Like I may
(24:21):
be stuck on something and give me three titles of
a LinkedIn post or something that nature, and it helps
you ideate very easily. Build trust through transparency. As I
said before, don't just trust it, understand where it actually
came up with a conclusion that it came into play.
Be a centaur is key. I'm going to be writing
an article later called Centaurs and Cyborgs. And because centaurs
(24:45):
are really what's really important when you think of a
co understanding, and the reason why it's called like centaur
intelligence is because there's a clear definition between the horse
body and the human body, right, and same scenario here,
there's a clear set of tasks that are AI tasks
versus human tasks. And last is lead with ethics and sustainability.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
I would point.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Out that I'm working with a nonprofit group also called
QUI looking at a distributed large language model similar to
that setting at home program.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
It is actually the people that are running the large
language model.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
By donating time up with the computer when you're not
utilizing it, it can actually run portions of this large
language model for the greater good. And this isn't a
situation in which it's not a corporate interest that is
pushing it, but instead it's human and a sociological interest.
So definitely lead with ethics and sustainability.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Awesome. And then finally, where can we learn more about Chasm.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
James, Absolutely so, Www dot chasmweb dot com is the
best place to go for our initials, but we are
on all kinds of different channels and reddits and youtubes.
We deal a lot with democratization of computing and AI,
so you'll find a lot of different youtubes out there
about us.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
All right again, cosmus Kasm, thank you so much for
your time, James, really interesting topic. Thanks, Thank you. Mark
scoring great deals on tech and other items online and
at retail with slick deals. When we return on teck it.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Out breaking down geek speak into street speak. Check it Out,
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Speaker 2 (26:36):
Welcome back everyone, you're listening to check it out. Probably
more so than any other website that I've used. Slick
Deals has saved me the most money when it comes
to shopping. That's a bold claim, I know, but it's true.
And slick Deals has helped me again just yesterday, which
I'll tell you more about shortly. But to tell us
all about slick deals and how it works on the line,
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we've got Vitally Pacharski, head of deals at slick Deals.
Good to chat with you again, Vitally, how.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
You doing great? Mark?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Good to talk to you. What is slick deals exactly?
Speaker 8 (27:06):
Slick Deals is a website and app and really a
large community under the hood. Slickteals help shoppers discover the
joy of great deals. The platform brings together millions of
shoppers who every day come read, vet upvote the very
best deals from all of your favorite retailers like Amazon, Walmart, Dell, Lenovo,
you name it. You can really find deals on anything
(27:28):
you need from or want, from pantry snacks to camping
equipment to AirPods and actually be certain that you're getting
the best deal right now. And you know if on
your first or second or third visit, you don't find
something that's interesting, come back again. Make sure to check
in because every day we have hundreds of new deals.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
And when you say vet the deals, let's just be
clear here. So you have a community of millions of shoppers.
So someone will say, hey, there's this TV that's normally
twelve hundred dollars, but at best Buy it's on sale
for seven a killer deal, and it's a hell of
a TV on top of it all. So it gets
vetted and voted on by other community members that say, yeah,
(28:08):
this is true, and it's not just at best buy
dot com, but it's also at retail, so they verify
that this is all accurate, that the sale isn't already over,
and then it gets kind of voted up to maybe
graduate to the front page.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Exactly.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
So, when somebody shares a deal that they found, the
users will do exactly what you described. They'll check that
it's true, that it's not maybe regional stock, for example,
and then a lot of the times it will start
commenting about the actual merit of the deal.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
So it's not just about the price and where it's.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
Sold, but it's also about how good it is, right
because honestly, there's lots of products that do the same
thing these days, right, and so people can say, oh, yeah,
that's a great price for this TV, But if you
don't need this functionality, there's an even better price for
another one.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Got it. What's your favorite feature of slick Deals? Might
is both the trending tab as well as deal alerts,
which I want to talk to you about more in
a moment. But for you, when someone stops you, you're
at a cocktail party Vitality and they're like, all right,
what do you like the best about slick Deals? What
would your answer be?
Speaker 8 (29:11):
The two that you mentioned are some of my favorites
as well. But I'm also a huge fan of our search.
As I mentioned, we have hundreds of deals posted every day,
and of course many of them are what I would
call perishable, which means they expire for one reason or another.
Search gives me the opportunity to sort of go kind
of back in time and understand if something that I'm
trying to shop for is the best deal, and of
(29:33):
course if I'm looking for something specific, that search experience
is just amazing, right because you can see everything that
sligtals has available, especially if you're in a shopping mode.
You can refine the search. You can filter to only
things that are positively vetted. You can filter down to pricing.
You can filter them in specific categories or from specific
retailers if you, for example, have a gift card to
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spend right and as you mentioned, right like kind of
One of the cool things about slick Dos is we
try to do things both in the moment as well
as forward looking. So if a search doesn't yield a
result right away, deal alerts kind of steps in and says, oh,
we don't have what you're looking for. So if you
set up a deal alert the moment we do, we'll
actually let you know. So if you're busy and if
(30:15):
you don't want to check slick Deals you know, a
couple of times a day, which I highly recommend most
of your listeners do, then you can come back and
get a notification or an email to get shopping done
for whatever you were looking for.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
So this is what I was teasing earlier. This is
what happened yesterday. Vintally, My listeners know I'm a huge
Twilight Zone fan, the original series and the Blu ray
discs of the original season of the show again nineteen
fifty nine through sixty four. They're as much as fifty
or sixty dollars a pop. And so I signed up
for deal alerts on slick Deals, and the site notified
me that all five of these seasons have been as
(30:50):
low as six dollars a pop instead of over fifty.
And so I spent a total of thirty dollars over
the last few months on these discs instead of two
hundred and fifty dollars. That's huge savings. Again, I wouldn't
have known otherwise because I'm busy, and I just got
an email from slick Deals that said, mark this Twilight
Zone thing that you're looking for, take a look. I'm paraphrasing,
but I went to slick Deals, I clicked the link
(31:12):
in my email. It took me to those discs that
I've wanted now down at five dollars ninety nine cents
a pop. I was so happy. That's an example of
the amazing deals that you can get through slick Deals.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
I have exactly the same story. I actually they just
got delivered yesterday. I've been looking for not huge TV
for my gym downstairs, and I did exactly the same thing,
and I said, okay, give me a four KTV that's
fifty inches.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I like how you think fifty is not big, Like
a couple of years ago that would have been big.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
But yeah, I know these days not big is fifty
and kind of big as eighty five or ninety three,
those things of monsters. Walmart just dropped some of their
High Sense four K fifty inch TV's four one hundred
and thirty dollars a pop, so I picked up two.
I was like, you know what, one of them will
eventually go bad. Here's another one that I can just
rehang right away if something happens.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, it's a good point, you know, in high Sense
is actually better than some people think. I know, it's
more of a value brand in most cases compared to
the likes of an LG O Led or a Samsung
QLED kind of thing, or a Sody Bravia. But yeah,
I've had an eighty five inch High Sense, which I
would call it big TV, So yeah, I agree with you.
There for many years and the color hasn't faded or
(32:22):
anything like that.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
So really, and you know, there's only two major manufacturers
that make panels, It's LG and Samsung, so almost all
of them still use the same panel it's just the
brains in the software that will be different.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
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Speaker 2 (33:27):
We are chatting with Vitally Pritarski. He is head of
deals at slick Deals. It's a website, it's an app,
and it's a browser extension as well. Again, the idea
is to save you money when you're shopping online or
at retail. This year, I mentioned the browser extension earlier.
Can you tell us a bit more about that?
Speaker 8 (33:45):
Yeah, our browser extension does a couple of things. It
has many other browser extensions. It helps you find and
fill out coupon's automatically, So if you're shopping on your
favorite site Macy's or Kohle's or Walmart or Dell, and
if you have something on card, you can potentially save
something extra by using that coupon auto apply functionality. But
if you're a slick Deals user, it is even more valuable.
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As you're shopping on all of those sides, we will
quickly and contextually pop interesting deals for you that are
available from those merchants, so you don't have to leave
kind of your current shopping session, but still engage with
the Slick Deals content, which, as we just talked about,
is some of the best deals.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
On the internet every day.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Before we wrap up vitally, how do you recommend looking
for deals? Any tips you could impart.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
Throughout the years of being on Slick Deals, My main
advice to everybody who shops is, if you see a
good deal, don't wait buy it. The main reason is
a right now, almost every retailer already instituted a very
long windowed return policy. So let's say you found something
that you are shopping for and it's within the price
that you wanted to pay.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Get it.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
If before between now and the time that you actually
give this product as a gift it drops in price,
you can absolutely get it either price adjusted or returned,
and majority of merchants have been super accommodating.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Number two, of course, use slick deals.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
Our community, as we talked about, vets and validates all
of these deals and ensure that you're getting a great deal.
And they'll even give you feedback saying, hey, you know,
there's there's these alternatives that you can also buy if
you want to spend a little bit less or get
some extra features for a.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Little bit more.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
Obviously, if you're looking for something that's in high demand,
air pods, air tags, most Apple products always come to mind.
There's lots and lots of history on slick deals, and
the community again will sort of tell you about this
of what is a good price for those things that
are maybe more niche are going to be a little
bit harder. The community just very very good about determining
what's good and what's not. And what's even more cool
(35:37):
is that they often we'll give you other tips on
how to sweeten the deal even more. Maybe using a
rewards credit card or stecking an extra coupon code to
save something else off the price.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, you took the words right out of my mouth.
I was going to talk about stacking. Yeah, take advantage
of rewards cards for you know, loyalty programs, use a
credit card with cash back or any other incentives. I
use a Visa dividend so I get back some cap
in December. Yeah, so stack when you can, for sure,
and your browser extension helps with the coupods as you mentioned.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Best place to get going slick deals dot com or
do you recommend downloading the app for the app store?
What's your recommended way to get going.
Speaker 8 (36:13):
Depends on your preference. If you're mostly on the go,
absolutely get the app. It will also enable to push
notifications for deal alerts and the.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Best deals of the day.
Speaker 8 (36:20):
I'm still a huge fan of shopping on the desktop,
just because I love to do my research, and doing
research in addition to just looking at our community on
the mobile device sometimes can be overwhelming. So really your preference,
I use absolutely both. If you're more of a laptop
or iPad person, use slick deals dot com.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
But our iPad app is also awesome.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
All right slick deals dot Com or download the slick
Deals app from the Apple App Store for iPhone or
iPad or the Google Play Store for Android devices. Great
to chat with you once again, vitally all the best.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Thank you as always, Mark appreciate it.
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from Slick Deals. Prior to that, we chatted with Chasm
about AI coming to take your job. Is it really
a threat? Is it really a risk that we face
(38:38):
this year? Or is it overblown? We also kickstarted the
show with Mario Armstrong, a tech expert who shared some
of his favorite gadget gift ideas for dads and grads.
Still have some time ahead of Father's Day on June fifteenth,
and you might have a graduate in your home, so
hopefully you got some ideas out of that. Wishing you
all a fantastic rest of your day, and I look
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All right, on today's show, we're going to kick things
off with tech lifestyle expert Mario Armstrong, who was broadcasting
out of New York, sharing his favorite gadget gift ideas
for dads, ingrats for Father's Day and graduation, and I'm
going to do the same next week, by the way,
So lots of variety if you're looking for some ideas.
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So we're going to kick off tech it Out today
with a chat about great gadget gift ideas for a
Father's Day coming up on June fifteenth, or for anyone
that has a graduate in their house. So we're going
to talk with Mario in a minute, Super Mario, and
then after that we're going to catch up with a
gentleman by the name of James Davis, chief technical evangelist
(02:31):
for a company called Kasm. That's Kasm, and we're going
to talk about AI taking your job. Do you have
anything to worry about? He says no. I'm going to
politely challenge him on that and give some examples of
things that are happening where people are being replaced to
some extent. So we're going to chat with James about
(02:51):
that from Chasm, also on this week's new Tech It
Out show. And then after that, our third and final
interview is about the slick Deals side and app. I
don't know if you use slick Deals, but it can
really save you money. It's a community of millions of
shoppers who all vet the latest advertised deals out there,
both brick and mortar stores as well as online, and
(03:13):
they'll vote on the best deals. They may be temporary ones,
so it's one of those sites where you got to
visit daily, or you can sign up for alerts deal
alerts so you're notified when something you've had your eye
on is on sale. I use Slick Deals all the time.
I've saved a ton of cash over the years. So
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Digital lifestyle expert Mario Armstrong is here to share his
top gift ideas for the dad or grad in your
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life this season. I'm Mario, good to chat with you again,
and happy almost Father's Day to you.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yay, that's right, having almost Father's Day to you as well.
Congratulations to all the graduates out there. So what a
great season. Twenty twenty five, the class of twenty twenty five.
Congrats now everybody, and I.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Do have a grad in the home this year. My
daughter Maya graduated from college from university, so appreciate the
kind words. Going to grad school in the fall, congratulations,
Thank you. My other kids are still at school. So hey,
why don't we jump right in? I always love your suggestions.
Why don't we start with some tech that can be
used for work or play for those dads and grads
(04:29):
out there.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Uh, that's just great start man, and I've partnered up
with some awesome brands with some great gift ideas. We'll
start with the tech as you mentioned. And for grads
that are into gaming or creative fields or dads that
want a premium laptop, I really recommend the HP Ohmen
Mac sixteen gaming laptop. It's a perfect fit because it's
a high performing laptop for gaming but also video editing,
three D rendering, and a lot more. And with their
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Unleashed mode you can get a performance boost that increases power,
so it's really ideal for gamers looking for high frame
rates or creators that need that fast the processing that
we all need. And it also has its own cooling system.
So with the Omen Tempest Cooling Pro, your system will
stay cool and.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Quiet as well.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
And both Dad and Grevill also love Hpece hyper X
Cloud three S wireless gaming headset. Now, this is perfect
for the serious gamer or content creator, but it also
has this precise virtual three D sound stage, which really
makes it awesome for competitive gaming because you can hear
where things are really coming from. It has an attachable
boom mic which is great. You could take that off
(05:29):
when you're not gaming and get this up to two
hundred hours of battery life on Bluetooth and it can
instant pair to your Hpomen Max laptop as well, and
it can connect to other Bluetooth devices too. One of
my favorite things though when I wear headphones is how
comfortable are they over long periods of time? And this
has the hyper x signature memory foam in the headband
(05:50):
and in the ear cushions, which makes them really comfortable
to wear.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Awesome, Mario. I love gaming too, and these devices make
for great gifts, but I know that you also have
a practical gift on your list that can actually help
dads and grads stay organized.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It's true and I actually have this particular item the Kindlescribe,
it's really the ultimate note taking companion, and it's a
productivity powerhouse because it's a hybrid. It's a Kindle notebook hybrid.
It lets you read and write and what's really great
in any light, doesn't matter how bright it is. It's
got this paper like feel, which is really awesome when
you're writing on it, Like dads can plan their week
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or they can sketch out projects or mark up documents.
And of course it's all digital, so it's easy to
organize all your notes and everything. And speaking of notes,
graduates can write directly notes in books, professionals can use
the built in notebook to jot down meeting highlights, and
even has AI that can summarize those notes for you
or refine them for sharing.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And my favorite is.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
That it's notification free, like no notifications, no pinging, no
things jumping up on your screen, so no distractions with
the Kindlescribe.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, lots of advantages. You can read it outdoors, where
on a tablet that's not so easy, and hey Amazon,
it's no stranger to AI, but they've really nailed it
with this by not just transcribing your handwriting into text,
but also giving you summaries of the note taking during that,
you know, boardroom meeting or a school lecture if they're
not quite a grad yet. Really, it's a very versatile
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device that kindles scribe super comfortable as well to write on. Now,
next up, Mario, what if Dad has green thumb? This
timely question, I think, and once the perfect yard.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I got to tell you too, I'm pretty competitive.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
My neighbors don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
That I'm competitive with my lawn again.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
But I really like a nice lawn. Oh you're one
of those, huh I am.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I try to keep it. I try to keep it
under control, but I am one of those. So Dad
will love Era Green. It's technology that delivers this perfect
amount of water exactly where your law needs it. It
gives you the greenest, lushiest lawn ever. And if you're
trying to figure out how to spell that.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's irr I green gr ee.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
And what it does is it can actually map digitally
map your yard and then it can automate the watering
based on satellite weather data that's going to be happening
and your unique landscape.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
So this way you.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Won't have muney puddles or brown spots or both, and
just one ear Green sprinkler head replaces up to six
traditional heads.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
So you can actually map out your lawn.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
If you go to iragreen dot com I did this myself,
you can map your lawn see how much water you
would save and also how many of the Iragreen sprinkler
heads you would actually need. And you can also enter
my name, Mario if you really want it for ten
percent off.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Thanks. And speaking of saving money, that to me is
one of the best things about this is I pay
a lot for my water bill and so this is
a way more efficient approach to watering your lawn because
you're not wasting water unnecessarily both, you know, having it
land on the pavement like on a sidewalk or on
the driveway where you don't need to water your driveway
unless it's made of grass, you know. And I love that.
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So it's getting really target and.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I love that it knows the weather and so it's like, oh,
it's going to rain tomorrow, We're not going to turn
the know on exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well, that sounds like smarter smart home technology.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
We are chatting with digital lifestyle expert Mario Armstrong. He's
here to shore. There are some gift ideas for dads
and grads this season, and finally, Mario, what would you
say is your go to gift for guys in particular?
This season? We are talking Father's Day, Yes.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
We are talking Father's Day, and dads need to smell good.
I love smelling good. I love it when someone says says, oh,
you smell so good. So my go to for the
guys this season is Old Spice Fiji and a Perspont
deodorant and Fiji body wash because it's going to keep
you fresh. The Fijiani personal deodorant, by the way, is
twenty four to seven lasting freshness. It's gentle on the
(09:32):
skin thanks to boosted skin conditioners, and the Fiji body
wash is upgraded. It's got to enhance moisturizers. It's gonna
keep your skin feeling smooth and free fresh. And it
kind of you know, it feels like you just wrestle
a waterfall and you beat it, you like one, and
you still smell great from doing it. So both of
these products are at Walmart.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Good check come out.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Wrestling a waterfall. That's an expression I've never heard you say,
but I.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Love it wresting the waterfall, spring fresh.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And it's true with our annual hugg ats cees you
do smell good, my friend. That that is just true.
It's not easy showed to smell good at No.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
It's not an easy showing us all good at Thanks advice,
We s tak and where can we go for details
on everything you've chatted about today? Mario, we are funky
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Speaker 2 (11:40):
Welcome back to check it Out. It seems we can't
go a day without hearing about or reading about AI,
and more specifically generative AI or jen AI. After all,
it is a wonderful tool to help us write better,
build itineraries, craft business plans, create images or videos, and
so much more. But if it can do so much,
(12:03):
can it also come after your job? Joining us to
chat is James Davis, chief technical evangelists at Chasm Technologies.
Thanks for your time today, James. I heard you chuckle
going after your job. I'm sure that is a legitimate
concern about AI. How are you?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I'm doing well, I'm doing well.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So before we talk about this topic, which I know
you've got some thoughts on, tell us a bit about
yourself and the company, Chasm Technologies, which for our listeners
is spelled KASM.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Absolutely sure.
Speaker 7 (12:30):
You know, I've spent my career working on what I
call the friends of technology. It's kind of the edge
of disruption and opportunity, right KASM. I deal a lot
with the emerging markets, a lot of the innovation in
those markets, and you know, at Chasm Technologies, we basically
we reimagine how people are interacting.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
With digital workspaces.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
We build a platform that basically allows you to deliver
your business critical applications and workloads to any browser enabled device,
whether it be TV, whether it be Raspberry Pie or
you know, laptop or any other device, whether it's secure
remote work AI operations or regulated environments. We're about empowering
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organizations to connect and control how they actually work in
cyder workspace.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
As a technical evangelist, that implies that you are preaching
about the benefits of tech and AI. You know, and
I mentioned some of the highlights for me off the
top ways that people are leveraging AI for good, but
it would be remiss not to acknowledge there are some
downsides to AI. Let's talk about them. I know there's
a bunch like accuracy, and you know, the ethics of
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using this and even environmental issues impacts of all these
servers around the world running these prompts when we type
into question or a command. Can we talk about some
of the downsides, including having your job replaced by artificial intelligence?
Speaker 7 (13:54):
Well, you know, you know, I definitely think that as
one of the biggest risks in AR are leasings.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Just to clarify, a hallucination is when AI gives you
an answer and it maintains it's truthful, like it's the
real thing, but it's not. It may be factually incorrect
or biased.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
Well, I believe it's the best with the marketing right,
because marketing they did a great job, because when I hallucinate,
they usually call that a lie.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
And so you know, why do you think AI tells
let's call it a lie. But even though it doesn't
know or doesn't tell you that it's a lie, how
does this happen? Because it's using data sets right that's
been programmed right, or uses articles and information that are
online already.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
Well, I think that's that's exactly at the heart of
what I'm describing here. It's it's that the biggest downside
to AI is misplaced trust. Right, we started relying on
AI for decisions without understanding how it reaches those conclusions.
Even a small change of context, a synonym a big prompt.
(14:55):
I mean, you know, it could completely change a different
sometimes incorrect outcomes. I mean, I'm sure you know when
you start looking at words, there are synonyms that mean
the same thing, but in the right context they mean
something entirely different.
Speaker 8 (15:10):
Right.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
Unfortunately, you know, large language models didn't have that type
of training. They trained on a lot of different understandings
of predicting the next word, not necessarily predicting the next
word in the right context in this conversation.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
So a lot of that is really the piece.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Right, and the danger is in that AI is wrong.
It's that when we stop questioning that, that's when we
start working about you know, worry about the eyes is
going wrong now you know that all said, it's not
doom in gloom and in the replacement theory, I mean,
what's really been happening is really overlap. It's not necessarily replacement.
It's more like overlapping on somebody's job. AI's trends are
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have already been seeing like technologies like RPA which robotic
process automation, which handle repetitive tasks for years already.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
The difference in this situation is scale in.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Speed, and just to backtrack on something you said, you
called it a large language model or LM. These are
apps that are pretty commonplace today, such as Chat, GPT
or Google, Gemini, Copilot Plus and deep Seek. So these
are large language models. Going back to replacing your jobs,
it's interesting. I had G two Patel on this show
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about a month ago. He's the president of Cisco, and
he said to me, don't be afraid of AI taking
your job. Be afraid of someone who knows how to
use AI from taking your job. Is that fair? Do
you agree with G two?
Speaker 7 (16:33):
I would actually even sharpen it even more. It's not
just about knowing AI, it's about mastering digital dexterity, right,
And that's what we figured out between you know, when
COVID happened, when you all had to go home and
everybody had to use their own computers and start really
figuring out how to start working from remotes or things
of that nature, and interacting with new tool sets that
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they may interact with, like virtual desktops or you know,
Office three sixty five or any of these.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Type of things that were foreign to them.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
So it's a level of digital dictarity and understanding that
we're in what's called a centaur error, and this is
the we're most effective professionals and those who know how
to partner with AI. That's what gives you the edge, right,
not just AI alone how you use it. I think
mister Brittel's point was, don't fear the tool. You're not
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knowing how to wield the tool, right, It's.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
It's a sword. It's it's a sword.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
Just you know, if I will then I don't know
how to use it, I'd may cut my arm off.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Nice fair. We're chatting with James Datus, chief technical evangelist
at Chasm Technologies. We're talking AI, but I wanted to
have you on the program to talk about job replacement
because that I think is a genuine fear. If my
emails any indication from listeners and readers of my articles,
people are already telling me that they are facing job
(17:56):
cuts because their boss is finding ways to use cheap
or free AI and So, James, when we return, I'm
gonna pick your brain about that. I'm a journalist and
there are large language models. I can write amazing articles,
So want to chat with you about that. Stick with us, everyone,
We'll be right back with more. Check it out on
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Welcome back to check it out everyone. We're chatting with
James Davis. He's CTE, chief Technical evangelist at company called
Chasm Technologies. Now, before the break, James, we were talking
about AI replacing your jobs. I really do want to
press you on this to get your take on how
real this is in twenty twenty five starting to happen.
(19:01):
I think I'm a journalist, for example, James, there are
large language models like chat GPT can write articles very well. Thankfully,
I'm often hired to give my opinion, which is a
bit harder for AI to do. Not impossible, but I.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Think it's a nuance.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Actually, it's not that they're not they're taking of it's
the nuance is that it's replacing tasks, right, tasks that
you were doing before, no entire professions. You know, if
I were to ask you, as you said a journalist,
I said, does your title really indicate or depict everything
that you got to do in a day? Right, So,
(19:35):
there's so many different systems that you interact with on
a daily basis that replacing certain tasks don't necessarily replace
the actual profession itself. I mean, is AI is best
at a repetitive, predictable work like triage and support tickets,
analyzing logs, parsing forms. This allows me, my computer or
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my customer support technician to you move to higher level
problems with that are part of the organization, versus being
bonged down.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
By this ticket or triage.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
In that nature, when the object is more human, the
task is more human. Like, as an example, when that
ticket comes in, it's the CEO, right, unless his name
says CEO on the ticket, like, it doesn't have the
problem solving or the empathy necessary to act immediately on
that particular ticket because hey, it's the CEO, right.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
So if the more AI acts as a co.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Pilot in those particular situations, not as replacement in that
particular situation.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I hope you're right, but I feel that you know,
it's called gen or generative AI for a reason. It's
creating content now.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Instead of hiring a photographer to take a photo of
a you know, let's say, a couple on a beach
for a magazine's cover story, you can just now, in seconds,
ask AI to generate an image of to say, like
a Caucasian couple between forty five and fifty five a
margarita on a beach during sunset, and it'll do it,
and most people won't be able to tell it's not real.
(21:06):
That's where I think the fear is not repetitive tasks
like having a robot on an assembly line at a
car manufacturer helping to build an engine.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
So generator to.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
AI has curiosity, but it doesn't have the continued point
of interacting.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
With those systems.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
So even if you did give me a picture that
had all those things in place, I would still have
to do the next stage or the next step of
getting it approved, perhaps going through different compliances. Things are
those natures, those are the systems that are interacted with.
So the task of creating absolutely I may not have
needed a graphic artist. That may have you usually utilized
(21:43):
it that way, but hopefully if there is a true
Centauri revolution in this situation, that graphic artist is the
one employing multiple agents that build those images for him
and then gives the human okay to move out.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
I think it's it's still.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Here to say that there are certain characteristics around whether,
even as a journalist, right, the conversation of whether the
piece came from a human or whether the piece came
from a computer does make a difference to the individual.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Right, if I'm at the hospital and.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
The computer gives me a readout and says it looks
like it's going to be cancer, I may want a
second opinion.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
That the second opinion may need to be human.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, just saying that's a good point. Good point. So
it's a tool that someone can have in their arsenal
to from your vantage points, it's a lot of it
is work related, so to help you know, find efficiencies,
maybe boost profits, that kind of thing, do more with
less in the workplace. On the topic of job replacement
without beating that topic to death, and before we wrap up,
I think it was the head of IBM's Watson department
(22:49):
once told me that for every job that automation replaces,
like AI or a robot or self driving car, the
industry around that will create three to four net new
jobs for everyone it takes away. They're just different jobs.
You've already hinted that you've got to review that photo
that was generated to make sure it was good and
you know, maybe touch it up, you know, that kind
of thing. And then there's like coding.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
I was gonna say that there was a lawyer, there
was a lawyer group that basically they used chat CPT
to build their brief that they turned into the actual judge.
And unfortunately, the actual chat EBT created six cases that
didn't actually exist to make its precedence at its point.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Yeah, right, And of course that lawyer, of course.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
You know, they got fined and of course they lost
the case for this overall thing.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
But yeah, just at that layer alone, there's danger.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, no doubt, hallucinations indeed creating six cases that didn't exist.
And before I let you go, James, I know there's
something that you've discussed in the past, which is, I
believe you call it five things needed to keep AI safe, ethical,
responsible and true. Can you give us a summary of that.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Yeah, so it's more of an involved in guiding mindset. Right,
So number one, always invite AI to the tape. If
you're going to make it a partner, the whole thing
is to bring in as a participant. Let it help
make some of those conversation points. Use AI for decision
making support, and that support is ideation, Like I may
(24:21):
be stuck on something and give me three titles of
a LinkedIn post or something that nature, and it helps
you ideate very easily. Build trust through transparency. As I
said before, don't just trust it, understand where it actually
came up with a conclusion that it came into play.
Be a centaur is key. I'm going to be writing
an article later called Centaurs and Cyborgs. And because centaurs
(24:45):
are really what's really important when you think of a
co understanding, and the reason why it's called like centaur
intelligence is because there's a clear definition between the horse
body and the human body, right, and same scenario here,
there's a clear set of tasks that are AI tasks
versus human tasks. And last is lead with ethics and sustainability.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
I would point.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Out that I'm working with a nonprofit group also called
QUI looking at a distributed large language model similar to
that setting at home program.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
It is actually the people that are running the large
language model.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
By donating time up with the computer when you're not
utilizing it, it can actually run portions of this large
language model for the greater good. And this isn't a
situation in which it's not a corporate interest that is
pushing it, but instead it's human and a sociological interest.
So definitely lead with ethics and sustainability.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Awesome. And then finally, where can we learn more about Chasm.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
James, Absolutely so, Www dot chasmweb dot com is the
best place to go for our initials, but we are
on all kinds of different channels and reddits and youtubes.
We deal a lot with democratization of computing and AI,
so you'll find a lot of different youtubes out there
about us.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
All right again, cosmus Kasm, thank you so much for
your time, James, really interesting topic. Thanks, Thank you. Mark
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Speaker 4 (27:03):
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this is true, and it's not just at best buy
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Speaker 4 (28:21):
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and then a lot of the times it will start
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As I mentioned, we have hundreds of deals posted every day,
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Search gives me the opportunity to sort of go kind
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(29:33):
course if I'm looking for something specific, that search experience
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sligtals has available, especially if you're in a shopping mode.
You can refine the search. You can filter to only
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(30:15):
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I like how you think fifty is not big, Like
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anything like that.
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We are chatting with Vitally Pritarski. He is head of
deals at slick Deals. It's a website, it's an app,
and it's a browser extension as well. Again, the idea
is to save you money when you're shopping online or
at retail. This year, I mentioned the browser extension earlier.
Can you tell us a bit more about that?
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Yeah, our browser extension does a couple of things. It
has many other browser extensions. It helps you find and
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favorite site Macy's or Kohle's or Walmart or Dell, and
if you have something on card, you can potentially save
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if you're a slick Deals user, it is even more valuable.
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As you're shopping on all of those sides, we will
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the Slick Deals content, which, as we just talked about,
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Speaker 4 (34:21):
On the internet every day.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Before we wrap up vitally, how do you recommend looking
for deals? Any tips you could impart.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
Throughout the years of being on Slick Deals, My main
advice to everybody who shops is, if you see a
good deal, don't wait buy it. The main reason is
a right now, almost every retailer already instituted a very
long windowed return policy. So let's say you found something
that you are shopping for and it's within the price
that you wanted to pay.
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Get it.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
If before between now and the time that you actually
give this product as a gift it drops in price,
you can absolutely get it either price adjusted or returned,
and majority of merchants have been super accommodating.
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Number two, of course, use slick deals.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
Our community, as we talked about, vets and validates all
of these deals and ensure that you're getting a great deal.
And they'll even give you feedback saying, hey, you know,
there's there's these alternatives that you can also buy if
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Little bit more.
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There's lots and lots of history on slick deals, and
the community again will sort of tell you about this
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(35:37):
is that they often we'll give you other tips on
how to sweeten the deal even more. Maybe using a
rewards credit card or stecking an extra coupon code to
save something else off the price.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, you took the words right out of my mouth.
I was going to talk about stacking. Yeah, take advantage
of rewards cards for you know, loyalty programs, use a
credit card with cash back or any other incentives. I
use a Visa dividend so I get back some cap
in December. Yeah, so stack when you can, for sure,
and your browser extension helps with the coupods as you mentioned.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Best place to get going slick deals dot com or
do you recommend downloading the app for the app store?
What's your recommended way to get going.
Speaker 8 (36:13):
Depends on your preference. If you're mostly on the go,
absolutely get the app. It will also enable to push
notifications for deal alerts and the.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Best deals of the day.
Speaker 8 (36:20):
I'm still a huge fan of shopping on the desktop,
just because I love to do my research, and doing
research in addition to just looking at our community on
the mobile device sometimes can be overwhelming. So really your preference,
I use absolutely both. If you're more of a laptop
or iPad person, use slick deals dot com.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
But our iPad app is also awesome.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
All right slick deals dot Com or download the slick
Deals app from the Apple App Store for iPhone or
iPad or the Google Play Store for Android devices. Great
to chat with you once again, vitally all the best.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Thank you as always, Mark appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
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I hope you enjoyed a new episode of tech it
Out everyone. We've had three different guests. You just heard
from Slick Deals. Prior to that, we chatted with Chasm
about AI coming to take your job. Is it really
a threat? Is it really a risk that we face
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this year? Or is it overblown? We also kickstarted the
show with Mario Armstrong, a tech expert who shared some
of his favorite gadget gift ideas for dads and grads.
Still have some time ahead of Father's Day on June fifteenth,
and you might have a graduate in your home, so
hopefully you got some ideas out of that. Wishing you
all a fantastic rest of your day, and I look
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forward to catching up with you next weekend for another
brand new episode of Check It Out Chow For now,
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