January 7, 2025 • 15 mins
Join Paul Amadeus Lane live from the West Hall of the CES 2025 convention center for a deep dive into the world of technology policy. In this episode of The Tech Zone, Paul sits down with Paul Lekas, Senior Vice President of Global Public Policy for the Software & Information Industry Association (SIIA). They'll discuss SIIA's policy priorities, the challenges and opportunities facing the tech industry, and what Lekas hopes to achieve at CES. Tune in for insights on the future of technology and the policies that will shape it.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
In this world of technology, things are ever changing, rearranging.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
You need someone to help you out. I know someone
who can come and take a journey with me. As
we go through the land of technology. You'll never be alone,
You'll be with them all. I'm an dance laying in
the Tech Zone. Take a little trip with.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Me and hopefully you can see how the hood, suburbs
and mainStreet are all connected no respect can I mean
we network.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Across the globe because it's a global market in case
you didn't know, and since we all about information flow,
let me be the first one welcome you to Tech
Zone with Paul Alma day Slaine.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Let's talk tech technology changing the game. It's so good
in the hood, it's everywhere. Now let's get into the
show because we living a Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I'm back here live from CEES twenty to twenty five
on Paul almade Is Lane. We are live from the
floor here in the West Hall, and it is amazing
some of the innovation that we have seen. But equally
as awesome and amazing is individuals we can talk to here.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I am joined right now by a long time.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Guest on the Tech Zone, the man himself, Paul alekis
from SIIA. He is the VP of all when it
comes to global policy and everything. And Paul, I'm sure
I missed it all up, but welcome to show how
you doing my friend.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Hey Paul, it is such a pleasure to be back
and to see you at CEES for the first time.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
What an incredible show this is.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
It is it is, Paul, and most people who come
to ces are product watching, see some of the cool things,
but some of the behind the things. The line of
seeing things they go on is policy and si a
he does a lot of great things when it comes
of policy, and talk about what it's like being here.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And what's the objective of being here for the organization.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Yeah, it's really interesting. Some people do come for the products,
new gadgets and new cars and all that, but there's
also a lot of people who come for the policy discussions.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
They call it DC in the Desert.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
A whole bunch of people who are engaged in public
policy and government affairs issues, not only from DC but
around the world, gathering here to have meetings, to listen
to discussions, to give speeches. It's really a valuable time.
It's the beginning of the year. People are fresh off
the holidays. It's a little more looseness to the climate
(02:51):
than I think you would have back over in Washington,
d C. So it's a great opportunity for people to
get together and plan out the year.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Anytime to get out of Washington NBC is not a
bad thing.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
Right, especially now with the snowstorms.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Yeah, that that'isade. I'm glad you made it made it here,
so and and and Paul. There's a lot of things
going on when it comes to content social media.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Hot off the press is what Facebook decided to do
with really getting getting rid of their.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Kind of robust content moderation, Uh to go to like
with h Ex's doing with the community notes, and.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
How is that gonna gonna shake up things? Why did well?
Why do you think organizations like that are doing that now?
When it comes to just content, And even though you
look at this.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
This last election, it was only one by less than
maybe two points, and they're looking at this like saying, hey,
we're gonna do this now because this administration wants to
go this way or is it kind of like an
overreach or overreaction?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
H Paul, what can you talk about when it comes
to this.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Yeah, It's a really interesting develop and I think at
least what I what I read about this change is
that they're not moving away from content moderation entirely. It's
really the fact checking part of content moneration, which has
been a concern of conservatives political conservatives for a number
of years, feeling like conservative voices have been censored. And
(04:20):
this is something that Meta and Facebook have been kind
of right in the right in the center of There's
been a lot of criticism from UH from the Republicans
about this, and I think what you're seeing there is
a shift to address some of the concerns that are
coming out of the incoming presidential administration, some of the
people who are very close to President Trump. It will
(04:44):
be fascinating to see what moves other companies make. Meta
has certainly jumped to the front of the line on this,
but we'll have to see if if we're going to
see similar changes from many of the other other large platforms.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
And you know, it just baffles me that when it
comes to fact checking, to me, that means like tell
them the truth. Make sure someone tells you the facts
and the fact No pun intended that somebody has a
problem with making sure that something is accurate. That has
always baffled me just as a human being, that I
want something that is fact and not.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Based on fiction.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
And what can be done by the consumers of these
platforms to make sure that when something is not factual?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
What can they do?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I know X has the community notes, but by the
time the community notes hit, the horse has already left
the barn and people are already, you know, shaping their
opinions and their views on what they read.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So, Paul, what can consumers do well?
Speaker 5 (05:53):
I think that's a fascinating and really important question. I
just want to preface it with a comment and not
endorsing any particular companies practices, But fact checking has become
not only kind of a very politicized area.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
But it's also sometimes very difficult.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
One person's facts are another person's opinions, and it's not
all you know, two plus.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Two equals four.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Sometimes the way in which you characterize something that we're
all familiar with is is described as one person as
a fact and somebody else as a piece of fiction.
So I think that you've seen platforms try to figure
out what is the best way to deal with this,
And also now that there's a lot more synthetic AI
generated content that makes it a lot more difficult, and
(06:40):
is the traditional approach.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Of fact checking really the right way to go about it,
you know? I think that.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
So I think we're going to see more experimentation there
and we've definitely seen that on X and we'll have
to see what happens with Instagram and some of the
other products and meta runs and whether we have any
good ideas coming out of the other platform. I just
don't think there's a silver bullet. Their content moderation is
very difficult, especially in this area. Now, what can the
general public do?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You know?
Speaker 5 (07:10):
I think part of it is what fundamentally comes down
to is being able to trust the information ecosystem and
how do we augment trust? How do we actually trust
the information that we are seeing and the content that's
out there. And there's not a one size fit all solution,
but you know, part of it is about where is
(07:32):
the information coming from? And I do think that as
there is an increase in in synthetic AI generated content,
I think you're going to see, you know, certain sources
be seen as more reputable conveyors of information. You know,
newspapers that have been around for a long time. But
(07:54):
you know, people are going to trust information that is
coming from the.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
Sources that they trust, and hopefully, hopefully.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
We are not exacerbating an echo chamber by that, but
I think that that is part of it. And a
very low tech issue that is near and dear to
me is civic education and really promoting at the not
only high school level, but even younger, the ability of
young people who.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Will then be adults to be.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Good consumers of information, to be able to use their
judgment and assess whether something seems to be credible, even
if it doesn't fit with their pre existing worldview.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah, and that definitely makes it, definitely makes sense, Paul,
where it's really a balancing the act.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Now, Yeah, I trying with this whole thing.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
And when you look at being here at CES, you're
on a panel, moderated a panel.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Has your panel happened yet?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
I did a panel yesterday.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I've got another talk tomorrow, but yesterday was it really fascinating.
Discussed about generative AI and creativity, the impact on creators
and artists on the whole media and entertainment industry, and
we had a lot of views.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
It was quite lively.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And to me it's like the great equalizer, especially for
ones like myself we're disabled, where I'm able to now
compete with once we're not disabled, when they are able
to do things with their fingers, with things that I
don't have, and it kind of evens out the playing field.
But with that that can also make give someone an
unfair advantage when it comes to creativity, and we haven't
(09:35):
really policed creativity certain things. Yeah, when it comes to
copyright and you know, make sure things are done the
correct way.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
But what can be done too?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Is there any policy initiatives that can happen when it
comes to gen ai and creatives, when it comes to movies,
when it comes to to music content creation, Is there
something that could be done on the government level or
is it one of those things where it is what
it is.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
There's always something that could be done. I am a
firm believer that there is always a way to try
to improve a situation.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
And it can be through policy and regulation, it can
be through.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Soft law outside of the government. And I think in
this space.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
There are.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
There's an intense debate going on right now. You mentioned
the the positive side of jen ai, you know, being
able to help provide functionality and to be able to
do things, and you know, we see people who are
able to communicate with others who do not speak the
same language by using these tools, and I think that's
(10:46):
just amazing to see. JENNI is also for creatives, lowering
the barriers to entry, especially for you know, not as
well established folks across the entertain an industry. Their ability
to be able to do things and to create music,
to create film, to create special effects is extraordinary.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
You know, I understand the arguments. On the other side.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
There are one of the biggest debates right now that's
happening in Hollywood but also in Washington, is about what
to do when generative AI tools seem to replicate.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
Somebody's name, image, or likeness. Nil.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
So not really in the college sports context, but it's
a similar idea, and there's a number of proposals out there.
There's some states that are taking action there, but it
ends up becoming a really difficult challenge because we also
have in the United States the First Amendment and something
under copyright now called fair use doctrine, which permits the
(11:49):
use of certain information that's out in the public domain.
So I think that this is going to play out
a bit more. I frankly don't see. I'm not optimistic
that Congress, the US Congress is going to resolve this area,
which is kind of adjacent to copyright law, which is
something that's handled only by the federal government. But I
(12:11):
think we're going to see some law coming out of
courts starting this year that's going to play out for
a few years. There's a number of lawsuits out there
brought by owners of content who believe that their information
was improperly used to train some of these lms, and
in some cases where the lms are producing output that
(12:32):
resembles too closely some of this valuable content.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Now that makes a lot of sense, Paul, it really doesn't.
And being here at CES, what are some things that
you hope to achieve being here? And Si, I a
in some things they'd like to see happen out of CES.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Yeah, going back to something you mentioned at the very
beginning about Meta and their announcement today about fact checking,
I think getting a better sense of what sorts of
adjustments we're going to be seeing as we in Washington
have a new presidential administration that will take office on
(13:09):
January twentieth, and we have a new Congress. The Senate
has switched from the Democrat to the Republican party. House
remains in Republican control, and so I think the shifts
are going to be really interesting. There's a lot of policy,
a lot of policy objectives, things that we look at
that are actually going to be pretty consistent, but there's
going to be some changes. And I think SEE has
(13:34):
is a great opportunity to engage with folks policymakers as
well as folks on the business community and civil society
together views on you know, what are we going to
see in a few weeks, what are we going to
see in six months? And share notes. So that is
something I'm really hoping to get out of it. I'd
(13:54):
like to roam the halls as well and check out
some new gadgets. I heard this as the largest auto
show in the world, which is extraordinary.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yeah, and it even ECLIPSEMA when it comes to the
auto show, and that's pretty awesome, pretty awesome with that, So,
Paul Less and certainly not least, what are some closing
thoughts about being here at CEES and and just what
the future holds for the policy, what's going on and
(14:25):
also the objective of SIA coming into twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
So as I roam the halls the convention center, what
most interests me is the technology actually makes lives better
for people. So the sorts of things that you were
talking about, and that's what I'm really going to be
looking for. From the perspective of policy, It's going to
be a very interesting year. I think we can accomplish
a lot at the federal level. The states are going
to be very very busy and starting to make some
(14:54):
of the connections and have those discussions to you know,
have the ideas start to Germany, Nate. This is an
ideal forum to do that, and I'm really looking forward
to to all the conversations we'll be happening over the
next few days.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
I am with you when it comes to that, Paul,
And thank you so much for coming on the show
here and it's great to meet you face to face.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
It's it's it's an honor.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
It's such a pleasure to be here and I love
talking to you and thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Hey, we'll do it definitely twenty twenty five. Something tells
me we have a lot.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Of policy we need to talk about I think that's
right and this is well.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
The technology things have a change, rearranging.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
You need someone to help you out. I need someone
that can be alone. You'll be with Paul.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I'm the days lane in the tag Zone.
In this world of technology, things are ever changing, rearranging.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
You need someone to help you out. I know someone
who can come and take a journey with me. As
we go through the land of technology. You'll never be alone,
You'll be with them all. I'm an dance laying in
the Tech Zone. Take a little trip with.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Me and hopefully you can see how the hood, suburbs
and mainStreet are all connected no respect can I mean
we network.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Across the globe because it's a global market in case
you didn't know, and since we all about information flow,
let me be the first one welcome you to Tech
Zone with Paul Alma day Slaine.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Let's talk tech technology changing the game. It's so good
in the hood, it's everywhere. Now let's get into the
show because we living a Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I'm back here live from CEES twenty to twenty five
on Paul almade Is Lane. We are live from the
floor here in the West Hall, and it is amazing
some of the innovation that we have seen. But equally
as awesome and amazing is individuals we can talk to here.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I am joined right now by a long time.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Guest on the Tech Zone, the man himself, Paul alekis
from SIIA. He is the VP of all when it
comes to global policy and everything. And Paul, I'm sure
I missed it all up, but welcome to show how
you doing my friend.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Hey Paul, it is such a pleasure to be back
and to see you at CEES for the first time.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
What an incredible show this is.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
It is it is, Paul, and most people who come
to ces are product watching, see some of the cool things,
but some of the behind the things. The line of
seeing things they go on is policy and si a
he does a lot of great things when it comes
of policy, and talk about what it's like being here.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And what's the objective of being here for the organization.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Yeah, it's really interesting. Some people do come for the products,
new gadgets and new cars and all that, but there's
also a lot of people who come for the policy discussions.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
They call it DC in the Desert.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
A whole bunch of people who are engaged in public
policy and government affairs issues, not only from DC but
around the world, gathering here to have meetings, to listen
to discussions, to give speeches. It's really a valuable time.
It's the beginning of the year. People are fresh off
the holidays. It's a little more looseness to the climate
(02:51):
than I think you would have back over in Washington,
d C. So it's a great opportunity for people to
get together and plan out the year.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Anytime to get out of Washington NBC is not a
bad thing.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
Right, especially now with the snowstorms.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Yeah, that that'isade. I'm glad you made it made it here,
so and and and Paul. There's a lot of things
going on when it comes to content social media.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Hot off the press is what Facebook decided to do
with really getting getting rid of their.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Kind of robust content moderation, Uh to go to like
with h Ex's doing with the community notes, and.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
How is that gonna gonna shake up things? Why did well?
Why do you think organizations like that are doing that now?
When it comes to just content, And even though you
look at this.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
This last election, it was only one by less than
maybe two points, and they're looking at this like saying, hey,
we're gonna do this now because this administration wants to
go this way or is it kind of like an
overreach or overreaction?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
H Paul, what can you talk about when it comes
to this.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Yeah, It's a really interesting develop and I think at
least what I what I read about this change is
that they're not moving away from content moderation entirely. It's
really the fact checking part of content moneration, which has
been a concern of conservatives political conservatives for a number
of years, feeling like conservative voices have been censored. And
(04:20):
this is something that Meta and Facebook have been kind
of right in the right in the center of There's
been a lot of criticism from UH from the Republicans
about this, and I think what you're seeing there is
a shift to address some of the concerns that are
coming out of the incoming presidential administration, some of the
people who are very close to President Trump. It will
(04:44):
be fascinating to see what moves other companies make. Meta
has certainly jumped to the front of the line on this,
but we'll have to see if if we're going to
see similar changes from many of the other other large platforms.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
And you know, it just baffles me that when it
comes to fact checking, to me, that means like tell
them the truth. Make sure someone tells you the facts
and the fact No pun intended that somebody has a
problem with making sure that something is accurate. That has
always baffled me just as a human being, that I
want something that is fact and not.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Based on fiction.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
And what can be done by the consumers of these
platforms to make sure that when something is not factual?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
What can they do?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I know X has the community notes, but by the
time the community notes hit, the horse has already left
the barn and people are already, you know, shaping their
opinions and their views on what they read.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So, Paul, what can consumers do well?
Speaker 5 (05:53):
I think that's a fascinating and really important question. I
just want to preface it with a comment and not
endorsing any particular companies practices, But fact checking has become
not only kind of a very politicized area.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
But it's also sometimes very difficult.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
One person's facts are another person's opinions, and it's not
all you know, two plus.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Two equals four.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Sometimes the way in which you characterize something that we're
all familiar with is is described as one person as
a fact and somebody else as a piece of fiction.
So I think that you've seen platforms try to figure
out what is the best way to deal with this,
And also now that there's a lot more synthetic AI
generated content that makes it a lot more difficult, and
(06:40):
is the traditional approach.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Of fact checking really the right way to go about it,
you know? I think that.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
So I think we're going to see more experimentation there
and we've definitely seen that on X and we'll have
to see what happens with Instagram and some of the
other products and meta runs and whether we have any
good ideas coming out of the other platform. I just
don't think there's a silver bullet. Their content moderation is
very difficult, especially in this area. Now, what can the
general public do?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You know?
Speaker 5 (07:10):
I think part of it is what fundamentally comes down
to is being able to trust the information ecosystem and
how do we augment trust? How do we actually trust
the information that we are seeing and the content that's
out there. And there's not a one size fit all solution,
but you know, part of it is about where is
(07:32):
the information coming from? And I do think that as
there is an increase in in synthetic AI generated content,
I think you're going to see, you know, certain sources
be seen as more reputable conveyors of information. You know,
newspapers that have been around for a long time. But
(07:54):
you know, people are going to trust information that is
coming from the.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
Sources that they trust, and hopefully, hopefully.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
We are not exacerbating an echo chamber by that, but
I think that that is part of it. And a
very low tech issue that is near and dear to
me is civic education and really promoting at the not
only high school level, but even younger, the ability of
young people who.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Will then be adults to be.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Good consumers of information, to be able to use their
judgment and assess whether something seems to be credible, even
if it doesn't fit with their pre existing worldview.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yeah, and that definitely makes it, definitely makes sense, Paul,
where it's really a balancing the act.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Now, Yeah, I trying with this whole thing.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
And when you look at being here at CES, you're
on a panel, moderated a panel.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Has your panel happened yet?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
I did a panel yesterday.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I've got another talk tomorrow, but yesterday was it really fascinating.
Discussed about generative AI and creativity, the impact on creators
and artists on the whole media and entertainment industry, and
we had a lot of views.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
It was quite lively.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And to me it's like the great equalizer, especially for
ones like myself we're disabled, where I'm able to now
compete with once we're not disabled, when they are able
to do things with their fingers, with things that I
don't have, and it kind of evens out the playing field.
But with that that can also make give someone an
unfair advantage when it comes to creativity, and we haven't
(09:35):
really policed creativity certain things. Yeah, when it comes to
copyright and you know, make sure things are done the
correct way.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
But what can be done too?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Is there any policy initiatives that can happen when it
comes to gen ai and creatives, when it comes to movies,
when it comes to to music content creation, Is there
something that could be done on the government level or
is it one of those things where it is what
it is.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
There's always something that could be done. I am a
firm believer that there is always a way to try
to improve a situation.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
And it can be through policy and regulation, it can
be through.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Soft law outside of the government. And I think in
this space.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
There are.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
There's an intense debate going on right now. You mentioned
the the positive side of jen ai, you know, being
able to help provide functionality and to be able to
do things, and you know, we see people who are
able to communicate with others who do not speak the
same language by using these tools, and I think that's
(10:46):
just amazing to see. JENNI is also for creatives, lowering
the barriers to entry, especially for you know, not as
well established folks across the entertain an industry. Their ability
to be able to do things and to create music,
to create film, to create special effects is extraordinary.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
You know, I understand the arguments. On the other side.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
There are one of the biggest debates right now that's
happening in Hollywood but also in Washington, is about what
to do when generative AI tools seem to replicate.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
Somebody's name, image, or likeness. Nil.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
So not really in the college sports context, but it's
a similar idea, and there's a number of proposals out there.
There's some states that are taking action there, but it
ends up becoming a really difficult challenge because we also
have in the United States the First Amendment and something
under copyright now called fair use doctrine, which permits the
(11:49):
use of certain information that's out in the public domain.
So I think that this is going to play out
a bit more. I frankly don't see. I'm not optimistic
that Congress, the US Congress is going to resolve this area,
which is kind of adjacent to copyright law, which is
something that's handled only by the federal government. But I
(12:11):
think we're going to see some law coming out of
courts starting this year that's going to play out for
a few years. There's a number of lawsuits out there
brought by owners of content who believe that their information
was improperly used to train some of these lms, and
in some cases where the lms are producing output that
(12:32):
resembles too closely some of this valuable content.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Now that makes a lot of sense, Paul, it really doesn't.
And being here at CES, what are some things that
you hope to achieve being here? And Si, I a
in some things they'd like to see happen out of CES.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Yeah, going back to something you mentioned at the very
beginning about Meta and their announcement today about fact checking,
I think getting a better sense of what sorts of
adjustments we're going to be seeing as we in Washington
have a new presidential administration that will take office on
(13:09):
January twentieth, and we have a new Congress. The Senate
has switched from the Democrat to the Republican party. House
remains in Republican control, and so I think the shifts
are going to be really interesting. There's a lot of policy,
a lot of policy objectives, things that we look at
that are actually going to be pretty consistent, but there's
going to be some changes. And I think SEE has
(13:34):
is a great opportunity to engage with folks policymakers as
well as folks on the business community and civil society
together views on you know, what are we going to
see in a few weeks, what are we going to
see in six months? And share notes. So that is
something I'm really hoping to get out of it. I'd
(13:54):
like to roam the halls as well and check out
some new gadgets. I heard this as the largest auto
show in the world, which is extraordinary.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yeah, and it even ECLIPSEMA when it comes to the
auto show, and that's pretty awesome, pretty awesome with that, So,
Paul Less and certainly not least, what are some closing
thoughts about being here at CEES and and just what
the future holds for the policy, what's going on and
(14:25):
also the objective of SIA coming into twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
So as I roam the halls the convention center, what
most interests me is the technology actually makes lives better
for people. So the sorts of things that you were
talking about, and that's what I'm really going to be
looking for. From the perspective of policy, It's going to
be a very interesting year. I think we can accomplish
a lot at the federal level. The states are going
to be very very busy and starting to make some
(14:54):
of the connections and have those discussions to you know,
have the ideas start to Germany, Nate. This is an
ideal forum to do that, and I'm really looking forward
to to all the conversations we'll be happening over the
next few days.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
I am with you when it comes to that, Paul,
And thank you so much for coming on the show
here and it's great to meet you face to face.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
It's it's it's an honor.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
It's such a pleasure to be here and I love
talking to you and thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Hey, we'll do it definitely twenty twenty five. Something tells
me we have a lot.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Of policy we need to talk about I think that's
right and this is well.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
The technology things have a change, rearranging.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
You need someone to help you out. I need someone
that can be alone. You'll be with Paul.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I'm the days lane in the tag Zone.
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