Episode #434 - Defragmenter? I thought it was Tetris! - TechtalkRadio

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The following program is produced by the Tech Talk Radio Network.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
All Right, people, take out your notebooks and pencils and
trive rolls. You're listening to tech Talk Radio with true geeks.
And by the way, I'm beast Eider and I'm a
kiek too.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome to another episode of tech Talk Radio. I'm Andy Taylor,
I'm sean to Weird, and I'm Matt Jones. And everybody
is a little I don't know. We just say a
little sleepy little.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
You're the only one that didn't lose an hour of
sleep on Sunday, So you can just take that as
you will.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Yeah, yeah, I was gonna go with like weary and
mildly rage full at Andy.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
No, just but you know what, okay for us in Arizona,
where we don't do any adjustment, there's somewhere else they don't.
Is it Indianapolis that they don't change the time or
something like that.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
It's not Indiana. Indiana's still Indiana. Just their time they do.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
There's it's Hawaii.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
Of course it's Hawaii, because white you need to change
the time in Paradise.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Well, the crazy thing is is because working in media,
you know you're booking interviews. You're looking at people are
contacting you go, Okay, what time do you want to
have them? And then you have to like do the math,
Oh where are they? And then you get this math
to do, Like like I was trying to find out
the time for you, Sean, because you're three hours ahead now,

(01:23):
but I was trying to think, are you in that
there's one area where it's only two hours ahead, and
I was trying to figure out where it is.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
So we are the furthest West County in Indiana that
is in Central Time. So I drive if I drove
twenty minutes, maybe thirty minutes to the west, i'd be
in Central Time.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Right, that's weird.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
That's how close we are. If I drive north two miles,
I'm in Michigan. So I'm kind of in a weird
little trifecta. But yeah, Indiana, Indiana is a weird Like
most of it's Central Time, but some of it's Eastern Time,
and it's kind of a weird mix. But right, I
have coworkers that live in Central Time, right, we have
staff that live in Central Time and they drive, you know,

(02:08):
but you know, forty minutes to get to work. But
then they're also losing. It's so weird. I don't know
how they do that.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Is it better the other time of the year for you?
For you guys, I mean when the time adjusts because
you gain an hour, right, I.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Mean fall back, fallback, spring forward?

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, yeah, is it better when you fall back?

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Over the years, I worked overnights during most of that time,
so it's like you just worked an extra hour.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I kind of trying to remember because I worked in
radio in California where we'd have to do adjustments and
you always think. I felt like I was getting ripped
off an hour something.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
The thing that really frustrates me right now is getting
my kids back into a routine.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Oh yeah, you don't think.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
You don't think an hour makes a difference, but until
your kids are up at five am instead of six
am or vice versas. So wow, just place havoc with
their sleep schedules.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
And I've got three dogs and two cats, and time
is a human construct. So yeah, there we spring ahead
and they're like, hey, Hi, have I mentioned how hungry
I am? And I'm like, well, you're standing on my
chest and the sun's not up. So I had some

(03:19):
inkling that there was something going on our cat for
the first time ever. Last night one of our cats
lose at two am, decided to stage a protest and
took her metal food bowl and just started chucking it
around our bathroom.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Nice of that cat and my.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Wife, God bless her. She got up, you know, got up,
put the ball back in, looked at the cat, was like,
what are you doing? Two hours later at four am,
I guess one protest wasn't enough because now she's throwing
it across the room. Instead of just like drop it,
pick it up, drop it, she's flinging it across the room.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
The cat reactions, so now it knows yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
And I'm just like, no, the cat's training us successfully,
I'd like to point out, very successfully. Like this morning,
I got up and she's chewing on the collar that
we take off at night, and I'm like, no, don't
chew on that. And as soon as I get up,
she gets just like ah, gotch and dives into the
bathroom for food. And I'm like, I am losing this fight.

(04:19):
I am not winning against a two brain celled cat
and both brain cells are fighting for third place.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Oh boy, well, hopefully you'll be able to catch up
on the sleep. But I'll tell you we got some
great comments a couple of weeks ago when Sean you
were talking about the EPSOM fast photo six' adw. We've
given that a lot of time and I was gonna
post the video and I haven't done that yet. Of
the scans that you were doing, you actually you're still
working on that project, right.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
So the backlog this is great, right, the backlog of
photos that I had from the project I started in
twenty nineteen, which was all of my grandparents' films, thirty
five mili slides, lose four by six whatever that's done.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Oh great, that's cool, right.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Because in the time that I got that scanner and
I just you know, just in just putting a couple out,
maybe an hour or two a day into it, I
blew through probably twenty eight hundred photos.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Nice, that's good, and got them in.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
And organized and upgraded and uploaded to the cloud and
onto my sand storage.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Right.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
So it's like that thing saved me so much time.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well. I one of the nice comments we got was
from Mitch Goldstone, who we've had on the show a
couple of times, from scan my photos. They have a
business that does that and he appreciated the fact that, yes,
you know, we're mentioning you could do this yourself. You
have the opportunity, and of course we did mention that
you could also go to a service like like Mitch offers,

(05:51):
but he appreciated the fact that you're talking about the
importance of preserving members. We've seen what happened in Hawaii,
We've seen what happened in Los Angeles and Pasadena with floods.
Now that people are concerned with some of these images
could be lost forever where there's no maybe no negatives
in a disaster, and you don't want that to happen.

(06:13):
So we appreciated the aspect of you saving these images
for your family. You actually have gone another step where
and somebody listening may think, well, I've got a scanner,
I've already scanned all my photos. You've got those eight
millimeters or super eight millimeter reels of film. Have you
taken the steps to get those done? And again, Mitchell's

(06:34):
company could do that, but you actually let me know
that there is a way you could do this yourselves
as well.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, we've talked about this on the show before because
this was part of that project I started back at
twent nineteen. Well, my mom, my aunt, my uncle pitched
in a couple hundred bucks to get me a step
by step film scanner right eight milimeter super eight millimeter
film scanners called a Wolverine data film to digital movie
maker pro. Okay, you can buy them on you can

(07:00):
buy an Amazon, B and H Photo, etc. They make
a couple cheaper versions. I would avoid getting the cheaper
ones if you if you're looking to do this, I
would get I would spend the four hundred dollars to
get it. The next I will recommend that this is
the lowest tier you're going to get at a consumer level,
because the next step starts adding commos to the price.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Oh wow, so.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Right, so you start getting into a little bit more
of the bottom end of the professional level. So this
is kind of the happy medium, and it's relatively easy
to set up, but there's a lot of prep work involved. Right,
So I scanned I got I don't even know. I
scanned so many films from my grant, from my grandfather,
my mom's side of my maternal grandparents.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
What years are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Oh, so late forties, so forty nine to wow, eighties? Right,
So I mean there was. There was stuff ranging from
when my when my grandfather serving the navy in the
late forties into the fifties. You know, film of my
mom's first birthday. You know, so in the the early fifties.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Now, these would all be silent. They wouldn't be because
you didn't have Yeah, yeah, you know, there's.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
No there's no audio recordings that went along with these. No,
you know, they didn't do the total like, yeah, it's
all silent. So but it it What I like about
it is and you came across a lot of in
my research on trying to find a scanner. You came
around a clock. You came across a lot that would
just pull the slides through and just kind of videotape

(08:31):
them as they went through.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Right, This actually steps.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Has a stepper motor in it that steps through every
single frame has it catches this brocket advances it one
frame takes it takes an image, advances it takes an
image all the way through until you stop it. So
what that allows us to do is then it compiles
it at twenty four frames per second, which is film
speed to play back for the human eye, and it

(08:55):
generates an MP four file for you right off, right
off the machine. So I can then take that and
put it right into a you know, a final cut
Pro Premiere, Da Vinci, Resolve, etcetera, etcetera.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
So you could put graphics in there than with some
of these programs.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
I mean, at that point, you're it's up to how
creative you want to get. But it's a very time
consuming process, right, And that's something I always try to
remind people about this process. This is a very time
consuming process. Not a lot of people are going to
sit through and do this, and that's what I'm taking
out of this is I'm spending time with my family's history,

(09:30):
seeing these come to life with the videos, the pictures,
touching them, holding onto them, remembering, oh, yeah, that was
me when I was six. I'm a goober, right, It's
like I'm missing fourteenth and all this whole thing. So
it's just a cool process. So this past week I
got in touch with my uncle who gave me my
paternal grandparents' films.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
So I'm now in the process of scanning even more
film and I just scanned in this this this morning
a four inch reel of film. So you know, imagine
a four inch reel that it ended up being about
fourteen minutes of foot edge.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Wow, I remember you remember you would take the I
had a Super eight camera and I would take the
you know, the little film out and I would take
it to the photo matter or wherever I was getting processed,
and they would then give me a reel. And that
reel was about three and a half minutes is what
you would get off the standard. But then if you

(10:34):
you know, wanted to edit and spice together, you could
have one of these five inch reels or even seven
inch reels I from what I remember, and you would
get like a longer amount of time. That would mean
it would take you longer scan though.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Well yeah, so this reel is definitely multiple smaller reels
spliced together.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Right.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
They had a he has the original spicer that they
have with the tape. If you've ever done tape to
tape or film to film splicing, which I had to
do in college, it's a it's a bear, it's a pain.
Light it up, cut tape.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, spin the real go go go.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Lice tape Spinspinspin's go go go, Right, So.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
I had to do that was a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
It's a process, right, so it's it's a time consuming process.
And I'm also cleaning and and and and and kind
of setting it for archives. So I'm also unspooling it
with and cleaning it with ninety nine percent ice pp
alcohol and a film cleaner. Right, so I'm spinning it through,
cleaning it with with a cotton cloth, unspooling it, spinning

(11:36):
it back. So I'm cleaning it so that when it
goes to the scanner, it's not goobling up with potential mold,
you know, because it's yeah, emulsion is a chemical that
can break down and can grow mold. So I experienced
that with the first part of the project where I
didn't clean I mean I was cleaning it, but not
doing a very good job of cleaning it. And then

(11:57):
I would go, why is this the crummy that I
take the film out? It's got crumbs and it's got
so I've been I cleaned the scanner every time before.
I love a new real film. So it's just a pain.
It's just it's a pain, but it's totally worth it.
It's just time consuming.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Now with this Wolverine data film to digital movie maker
projector this isn't the kind of projector. You would say, oh,
I'm gonna go ahead and play a move. I'm gonna
play the movie. Well, watch it on the wall or
watch it on a screen. This is mainly just four
digital transfers, right.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah, this is just pulling the film through shooting light
from the bottom up so that an image scan an
imager can take a picture every frame, and then it
gives you a file at the end.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Some of the quality look looks pretty good. I know,
matt you you saw some of the some of the
finished product of one he had just finished. It was
pretty pretty clear.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
It was really clear. Like I was looking at it,
like what Coming of Age film? Am I about to
start watching? Like I feel like I should be hearing
you know, Corey Matthews coming over the voiceover, like it
was the summer of nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yep, I know when when Sean was telling us this
was taking in nineteen eighty one, I felt very old
because that's when I was graduating from high school, or
nineteen eighty even I was, I wasn't even born. Oh man,
you guys, this is great though. It's a great way
to preserve that technology. Now they don't rent the projector.

(13:28):
You don't have to buy this from like what B
and H or something.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, you can buy it from ben H Photo, which
is my go to for pretty much anything we buy professionally.
It's not Amazon. I just wouldn't trust Amazon for I'm
hesitant to trust Amazon for purchases these days.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh, especially one of the story of one of the
big stories from today. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, So it's just you know, and B and H Photo.
They're great, but yeah, it's it's it's kind of a
set and forget right, all right, there's some tweak that
I've made, and I've actually had to go in and
repair the unit myself. So I had some issues with it.
And if somebody wants my how to step by step

(14:10):
guide on how I do it, it's not how you
do it in the guide, it's it's it's the the
real to real part of it. Right. It's got an
arm with the you can put the reel on and
then it's supposed to spin onto the other reel. Right,
so it's supposed to pull the keep tension. That's a
that's a load of crap. That system doesn't work. It's

(14:32):
it's it's it's two motors. Well, so it's it's a
free spinning on on on the feed side, and it's
a it's pulling on the on the on the receive side.
That motor is not strong enough. So as soon as
you get more than two feet of film and it
starts getting tight, it starts to skip, it starts to

(14:52):
it starts to spin, and it starts to the motor starts,
it starts lagging. So what I do is I said,
it's literally sitting right at the edge of the table.
So I've got the feed real and I have it
coming through and I loop it through the guides and
I just let it dump off the edge of the table.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Oh, there you go.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
So it the weight, the weight of the gravity holding
the film down is enough to keep the film tight
in the carriage.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
If you have a cat, don't let your cat be
linger you're around, because you will kill the.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Cat would be all over that. But it looks it.
I'll send a picture. It's a big nest of film,
Like I mean, this is I don't know how much,
fourteen minutes of film.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
It's it's yeah, it's a lot of film feet.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, it's it's a long it's a long fifty film.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I think fifty feet, if I remember correctly, was on
the small reels, and that's where you got three and
a half minutes. So that kind of tells you a
little bits.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
I mean, it's it's a lot of film, and like
he said, I've been cleaning them. So I've been a lot,
a lot of spooling, a lot of spooling.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
You know what I have on now? I might it
might be sixteen millimeter, and I don't know if they
make if Wolverine makes a sixteen millimeter film, you know,
to digital. But I have the original trailer for Star
Wars before it ever hit theaters, before anybody knew. Yeah,
I on sixteen millimeter and it has a different soundtrack.

(16:15):
The visual effects aren't put in yet where they're firing
the blasters and the lasers. I mean, it was pretty good.
I bought it a science fiction convention back in probably
nineteen seventy seven, seventy eight. I got a script for
Star Wars, you know, where it had It had bigs
and the different characters that maybe weren't didn't make it

(16:36):
fully into the big film. But either way, that sixty
milimeter trailer I still have, and the narration of the
music was ter It wasn't even the music that you know,
John Williams music. It was some classical score. But I
would love to find a way to get that also transferred,
so that you know, I would say, okay, I have it.
It's probably out there on YouTube anyways, but still it

(16:57):
would be cool to see.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Well, one of my favorite project was the four K remasters, right,
if you any of you have gone through the process
of trying to find those and download them, they're incredible.
By the way, it's a hot topic, so I'm not
going to discuss how to find those or where to
get them. Is this Star Wars. It's the original trilogy.
It's called Project Night whatever year they will mean nineteen

(17:20):
eighty three four K or whatever. And there somebody got
a hold of a thirty original thirty five you know whatever,
the thirty five millimeters original print and remastered it in
four K, and it's incredible to see the difference, right
because it's all pre special editions, it's all the original

(17:44):
film release.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Right.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
So if you're a huge Star Wars nut, you can
just google it. You'll find it. Go down the rabbit
hole if you want Project four.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
K, Project four K seventy seven.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Okay, cool. I'm gonna look for that one. Yeah. I
used to love collecting movie trains. I had that one
at the car. Do you remember the one with James
Brolin in the car was like a crazy looking car
at the trailer for that.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
A few decades behind us, you got you gotta you
gotta bring it a few decades forward.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Oh boy, Yeah, Young Frankenstein. You ever hear that one?
I get that one.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
That's a great.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
Lindsey hey.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Actually you know with the passing, with the passing, uh
not that long ago. Have gene hackmen too. You have
to think about that scene in Young Frankenstein with him
and Peter Boyle as Frankenstein and he plays a blad
man right to light his cigar, poor coffee and just
completely terrorizing poor Frankenstein.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Where are you gonna go?

Speaker 4 (18:44):
I was gonna make espresso?

Speaker 2 (18:48):
I remember.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Frankenstein is such a great movie.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
It's it is such a classic. It really anything Melo
Brooks has done is just timeless. Slee Bulletproof and I
saw there was a there's an interview where they were like,
what movie did you make that you could never remake today?
And they barely got the question up before it was
like Blazing Saddles. Yep, absolutely, Like there's no way I

(19:12):
could remake that today a chance.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
I was really jazzed many many met years ago when
we were doing the show. And I don't know if
this happens in Palm Springs or it was in Tucson
when we first got her, But Burton Gilliam, who was
in Blazing Saddles, did the voice work of a character
in a game called Redneck Rampage and got him on

(19:38):
the show to talk about being a voice in a
very popular video game. When we got a chance to
touch on Blazing Saddles and all that, he was just
just one of those crazy characters. But yeah, that was
a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
You got any dimes?

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah? More beans, mister Taggert, sa you have had enough,
all right. Speaking of filmmaking, I had a filmmaker over
the other day to the house, one of the producers
of a documentary called Ugly Little Monkeys, and it's a
true story and it's it's a sadly it's a true story.

(20:16):
But we were talking about filmmaking and editing over the years,
and he told me about using this program called Da
Vinci Resolve. And while him and I both came from
that same He used Final Cut for a long time,
got to a certain point in Final Cut and he said,
I'm not using this anymore. And I said, I kind
of went through the same thing. Then I used Vegas

(20:37):
for a little while from Sony. Then I used you know,
Adobe Premiere Pro.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
I like doing that.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
He said he liked using Premiere Pro, but he found
that with the new version of Premiere Pro, he's just
not happy with it. And said, DaVinci Resolved is a
completely fantastic program. And I told him I've never really
used it. I think I have a cop. I think
I have a copy when I got my A ten Mini,

(21:02):
But I'm not sure. What do you think about this, Sean?
Have you had any thoughts about DaVinci Resolve.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
If if you are a editor, you're already using.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
It, Okay, you're using three three.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
There's three softwares you're using that you should know how
to use as a professional video editor. Final Cup Pro,
Adobe Premiere and da Vinci Resolve. That those are the
top three, right, There's some other ones in there that
you know, they work just as good, but there they
cost money. It's it's the whole thing. One of the
things don't you go ahead?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Well, one other things about Premiere Pro. It can be
pretty pricey.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
You know, it's a sass. Now, yeah, software is a service,
like that's the way Adobe went right. So you're you're
stuck with the constant updates. You know, if you have
auto updates on now you're screwed because your project is
twenty twenty four and now you're project twenty twenty five.
The whole thing. We're dealing with that at work because
we're an Adobe house at DA Vinci. Resolve has been

(22:04):
a huge disruptor in the non linear editing world.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Right.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
You had, if you go back a decade even maybe
a little bit more, you had Final Cut seven, Final
cust Studio, you had Avid Move, you had Avid, you
had Adobe, and you had light Works, a couple other
Sony Vegas, ediis a couple other other other ones in there.
And then when Final Cut ten came out, a lot

(22:36):
of people abandoned ship because there was such a such
a Draassic shift, a lot of people fled and they
went to the PC market. So Adobe pushed out a
MAC version of Premiere because Adobe used to only be
PC version. I think back even up until like twenty
two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, I'd have

(22:57):
to go back in the history of that. But then
you had Black Magic Design said, well, we've got our
coloring suite called Da Vinci Resolve. Well let's now let's
make it into a it's kind of a nonlinear editor.
And then they kind of tweaked it and made it
into a nonlinear editor and it competes. Yeah, it's it's
right up there. It's free. That's the biggest one.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Well, if you want the full the full suite apparently
that right, but it's still it's still less expensive than
the others.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
So the free version, it's it has an extensive list
of features, right, but it includes their advanced coloring correction.
That's probably the biggest part of it.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Right.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
A lot of people would take their films out of
premiere or out of final cut export the xmls, bring
them into Resolve just to color correct them and color
grade them and then put them back in for finishing.
There is a studio version of Resolve. It adds a

(23:52):
handful of features, advanced noise reduction, higher resolutions and stuff.
I don't know what the resolution limit is, but it's
probably like two ksion. But yeah, it's it's by far
probably the best color grading built in caligrading you can
you can do with uh professional software.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Now.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
To get a copy of this, uh it would be
a matter of going to black Magic Design and they're
the people who put this one out, and then you
would be able to download the software and and see,
you know, maybe learn how to edit.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
I mean that's yeah, and I mean a lot of
people caught onto this because black Magic as a whole.
You can you can kind of live in a black
Magic ecosystem, right if you're shooting on their their black
Magic ursas, their studio cameras, et cetera, et cetera, they can.
They now have their own raw format, black Magic Raw,
which is native into results into uh DA Vincial Resolved.

(24:45):
So just working in their raw format and their software
just makes things a lot a lot easier. But I've
used it. I'm not by any means of professional on it,
but I know what it can and can't do. But no,
for if you're a few want a free, great software
to edit movies on, this is this is it. Now.

(25:06):
It's not gonna run on your rinky dank laptop with
eight gigs RAM and a you know, an I three, yeah,
two duo or something. Right, it's gonna you need something
a little substantial with a dedicated GPU, probably sixteen gigs
of more RAM, a current ish gen processor maybe five
or six years old, you'd be fine.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
But and SSD or M two. Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
If you're not, If you're running spinny drives, good luck.
I'm not evenna talk to you. You're still running seventy
two hundred rpm drives at this point, you're go back
to the final cut studio like five and six.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
I've tried editing with those before. All right, listen, we
got to take quick break. We come back. We have
listener questions other stuff that's been announced as well that
we'll tell you about with more. You could also drop
us a question anytime. Tech guys at tech talk radio
dot com. I'm Andy Taylor, I'm sure to weird.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
And I'm Matt Jones.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
We'll be right back and now back to tech talk Radio.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
I know, like kind of at the end of that
we were touching a little bit on hard drives for
some things. And there's a great listener question kind of
in that vein from Albert from Tucson a few weeks ago.
I was listening to the program and you were talking
about how the different operating systems have changed. One of
the things I very much changed, Albert, You are correct.

(26:21):
One of the things I remember doing often on the
old computer was running something called defragment. I don't see
that anymore and wondered if it's still something people do.
Thank Christ, no we don't, So let me give you a.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Can you explain what defragment was for people who know
they've heard the term.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
So back on the old spinny drives, you basically was
that you had a little spindle on it going back
and forth on these platters reading the bits of data
that we're in there. And over time, as you would
write stuff, delete stuff, move stuff, those little bits of
data star being on different locations in the platter, they
get spread out and it would increase your your load times,

(27:07):
your transfer times, because it'd have to go find each
one of those individual little spots the data was fragmented.
Defragmenting was the unholy long process. And back when the
first time I defragmented, you would put a disc in
and boot to it so it would defragment and it
would find every one of the and Sean just put

(27:29):
it up on his on his screen and I'm having flashbacks,
not good ones, And it would find all those little
sectors and basically kind of like clump everything back to
where it was supposed to be, and it would make
your computer run better, it would make it healthier. But
it could take you. It could take you hours, it
could take you days, depending on how much data you had.

(27:52):
And there was nothing worse than being a kid being like,
I'm going to go home and play a computer game.
It's defragmenting. Well, definitely not doing that today.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
And that was one of the things. You couldn't walk
away from it. You just have to stare at it
and just look at it and watch.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
It and fuel your soul slowly crush.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
So I had somebody explain it in the most simplest
terms to me one time. What exactly defragging does, right? Okay,
imagine you took collected all of your mail from the
last year, that's it in the original envelopes, and then
you decided to open all those envelopes and throw everything
across the room. Yeah, okay, now all your mails spread out.
Now go through the process of putting all that mail

(28:31):
back where it belongs.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Right now, what I asked that that made the most
sense to me.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
As painful as that sounds, defragging was equally as painful.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Correct, here's one.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Now what I taught. I taught a night class of
computer technology to uh, you know, people would come to
the adult school and I would teach them all about tech.
And that's when defragmenting was the thing. But I kind
of compared it to having a drawer full of socks.
But the h socks is each sock is different. You

(29:04):
have a pair and then you split them up, but
every thing is different. You don't have two white socks,
your two red socks, three blue socks. They're all different.
You have to try and put them together. And that's
basically what it was doing. The problem is that in
Albert's question, you know, defragment what happened to it is?
Is it something that's not done anymore?

Speaker 4 (29:25):
It is not done anymore. So defragmenting went away with
spinny drives. There was a there's a very short the well,
not as short as I would have liked, but there
was a small overlap period where people would defragment a
solid state drive an SSD and defragging an SSD will

(29:46):
drastically decrease the lifespan of it. What is done with
these new solid state drives, the m DOT two n
v ME drives is called trimming and your computer, Thank
god Automa does it now.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
It is built.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
I'm pretty sure it was since I want to say
it was either Windows seven or Windows eight point one.
They basically built it in that it is just an
automated task that the computer runs by itself. You don't
have to go in and kick it off and do it.
And it trims and basically says like, hey, these are here,
these are here, these are here. And because the difference

(30:24):
being in a spinny drive, it had to make that
change of moving that little piece of magnetic resonance and
right to another physical location on the spinny drive. There
are no real true physical locations in a solid state drive.
It's just permanently stored electric memory.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Now, when you have a problem too on a big file,
somebody had told me if you have big files, because
let's face it, we're working with bigger files. Now you
got more storage. Bigger files, video files, audio files, photo
files that are raw. If it moves something, you could
actually break the file.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
It can yeah, it could break and corrupt the file.
So there there actually were some risks to defragmenting, but
it was one of those darned if you do, darned
if you don't. You had to do it, and I
remember vividly I had finally this was such It was

(31:23):
like one of the first first person shooter games I
ever played. It was NERF Arena Blast and it was
basically like a reskinned unreal tournament for kids, like no
blood NERF guns. But I remember like I gotten so
far and I'd finally beat this one stage that like
I had been struggling with, and we defragged the computer

(31:45):
and my save file was corrupted.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Oh man, Yeah, have you ran a lot of zips
or our archived folders that also would happen to them too,
They could be and those could be corrupted easier than others,
and some people it's still never been able to get
into these files that they may have stored a lot
of stuff in and then deleted the originals and then
that's that's gone.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
I deleted the originals, all right, Then I defragmented my
hard drive. You can stop there. I know how this
tragedy ends.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Just now, when it comes to disc utilities though at
the time that was probably a very useful disc utility.
I know Sean recently took a look at the new
Windows eleven utility program. Uh, did you get a chance
to run that and look more into it.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
No, I've had no need, so yeah, I looked at it,
said well, if I needed, I'll use it.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
But I never was like dis tools or something like that.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
So so I actually have the native one built into
Windows eleven open right now. If you go in and
tight like disc or defrag, it will pull up defragment
and optimize drives. Because there are some poor souls out
there still running spin so we still have to have

(33:03):
the and I don't mean that economically, I feel for
your souls. Yeah, but it still has a built in
defrag utility. But if you have solid states, it is
the optimized drives. And you'll look at the current status
and like I'm looking at my Sea drive and it says, okay,
one day since last retrim, I have rebooted. I've not

(33:24):
rebooted my computer since like a little bit over a
day ago.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
So it did it.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
On the reboot, it trimmed the drives. Now I can
always go in there and be like, hey, I could
click right now and be like optimize, But the scheduled
optimization drives are being analyzed on a scheduled cadence and
optimized as needed frequency weekly and you kind of want
to leave that as is, in my opinion, you don't

(33:51):
want to get over zealous with that, Like a week
is fine, And if you're moving a ton of files
and everything around, just just go in there and take
a lot. Look. You can click the analyze button be
like do I have a problem? Do I need to
retrim it right now? But don't run a d frag
on an SSD. You will chop a large chunk of

(34:13):
a life span off.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
All right, all right, that's a that's good advice. So
basically telling Albert, don't worry about.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
It, don't if you don't have a spinny drive, don't
worry about it. Those days are gone. They can't hurt
you anymore. We're okay, they.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Won't hurt you anymore, because all right, here's one from Roger.
I thought this is a pretty good one, and this
could be a good one for Sean to help with
as well. Is there a huge learning curve to switching
to the Apple platform Windows eleven seems like it won't
work on my computer. That's a lot of people finding
that one out and thought maybe now would be the
time to switch. What are some considerations from Roger and Slita?

Speaker 3 (34:55):
This is this is a loaded question, right, because I've
been such a duel user for so long, I don't
know what it would be like to jump in. Yeah, first,
I mean I don't. I would love to tell them
there's no learning curve, but I've been using mac oes
since I don't know, for a long time. So it's

(35:17):
it is a different UI. It is a different system, right.
It is fundamentally different in terms of how you access
your files, where things live, how you open programs, how
you download programs, how you install programs, how you function
with the Internet is different, unless you like from the
get go right. So you can download Chrome and it
can you can have your experience being the safe. But

(35:38):
if you're not familiar, if you don't know what Safari is,
you might be up the creek a little bit, right,
if you've never heard of Safari before, it might be
a little intimidating. It's not you know, the South African
trip to see the animals, right, It's the web browser
that mac comes with, so it's there. If you are

(35:59):
an iPhone user or an iPad user, you will have
an easier go at getting accustomed or tuned to macOS.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
But if you've never used those before.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
But if you've never used it before, it's you're going
to have a learning curve and you are going to
get frustrated. And one thing that I've learned about the
world that it is right now, people do not have
patience for technology.

Speaker 5 (36:24):
No.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
So you know when when Caitlin's parents went to go
get their new laptop, right they straight up told me
no mac Os or not doing it, because I would
have tried to push them onto like like an M
two Macair, something a little bit more streamlined, because then
for the price of what you're paying for a decent laptop,
you could potentially get two macwak errors and then they

(36:48):
could have each of their own. But they weren't interested
in doing macOS at all because they're Android users. They've
never used mac os. He my my father in law,
said straight up, I don't I don't want to learn
a new operating system.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Well with so somebody's thinking about this and they're saying, well,
my Windows eleven computer is or Windows ten is not
going to be able to update the Windows eleven or
maybe they're still on seven or or something else. Maybe
they shouldn't invest in a full on mac book or
you know, the big Mac system. Maybe get a Mac,

(37:22):
the basic Mac and just to learn it if they
want to experience that, or is there any way for
them to really so kind of go through that.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
So there there there actually is.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
And this is.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
I'm sorry to jumping on this one, but I I
actually used to be a Mac genius working at an
Apple store in Virginia, right, And one of the things
that has kind of fallen by the wayside, at least
the last time I was in there of telling people
when they would go into that store, into an Apple
store to buy a Mac. One of the questions we
used to ask was, Hey, is this going to be

(37:56):
your first Apple device or is this your first Mac computer?
And if they were like, yes, it is. Apple stores
offer free classes. You just have to go to the store.
Like each store has their own little website. You know,
you'll go to Apple dot com, you know, go through
find your store. Like for me, probably the closest would

(38:17):
be like down at Cherry Creek Mall or something, but I,
you know, I want to look and see if this
was still something they offered, and it is.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
So.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
They actually have a Getting Started Mac class that runs
for an hour and its description is learn the essentials
to get the most out of your Mac. We'll start
with settings and show you how to navigate everyday futures
with ease. Then you'll explore how to customize your Mac
so you can work and create the way you want.
We'll even share our favorite shortcuts for staying organized and
fun ways to search with Siri, and then for accessibility

(38:49):
for sessions with amplified sound hearing loop technology is available
on request. Each store offers these. I think they've kind
of reorganized the job titles, but it used to be,
you know, Mac genius, you were the person behind the
genius bar repairing and doing technical support. Creatives were equivalent

(39:10):
in technical capability, but theirs was all the software side.
They had specialized people in Final Cut, in Garage Band,
in all those programs, and you could register for a
class and they could walk you through you know, beginner, intermediate, Advance,
and then you also had the specialists, which were you know,
your general salesfolk. But you can come in you registers

(39:31):
for the class. You bring your device, You'll sit down
and they will have a big old screen there walking
you through everything so you can do it on yours.
You can ask questions, go through it. It is the
most underrated but beneficial feature that Apple stores offer because
these classes aren't just for Mac. They have getting started
with Apple Watch, iPad, iPhone. They really want you, like,

(39:56):
if you're going to spend that amount of money, they
I don't want you to hate it. So if you're
looking to cut over to the new OS, usually if
you take if you take that class, it helps a lot.
We've also had huge strides and like YouTube and shows
that and you know on demand things that can help
you there. But in general, what I saw at my

(40:17):
time at the store for people cutting over was it
took about two weeks to get comfortable with the basics
on your own, to kind of get that second nature
feel down. And Sean's entirely right. It is an entirely
different operating system. At its core, the way it handles

(40:38):
programs is vastly different than the way Windows handles programs.
To go a little technical, Mac is built off of Unix,
and Unix treats everything like a file. Apps are a file,
a printer is a file, a hard drive is referenced
as a file. Everything is technically a file.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Wow, all right.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Windows decide to be like, we're gonna make this a device,
We're gonna make this a folder. We're gonna make that,
We're gonna make this easier. And at the end of
the day we're like, you didn't make anything easier.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
You just made everything worse. Well, our nearest Apple story
is long cantata for those here. Also, I want to
recommend there are Apple groups you may find. You know,
you have an Apple user group in your community. I
know that Green Valley Recreation we're in Green Valley. They
may have an Apple Users group. They're very helpful. And

(41:31):
if you go in there and you see, I'm new,
I just want to check it out. They'll let you
come to a meeting you just want to, you know,
look them up online and be able to get the
information on that. So that's also true.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
The most understated resource for this that I especially in
today's day and age, you need your support as well.
Your local library.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
There you go perfect.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
If you go to your local library and you ask,
there might be somebody who's free who will sit and
help you with it, or they might have a class
that you can go and participate for free with your
free library card. Libraries are vastly underrated for the services
that they offer, and I know two of the ones
near me do offer beginner to intermediate tech classes. Not

(42:14):
just like Grandma needs to learn her computer, but like, hey,
we'll teach you some of the basics of it. So
you can see if that's something you like for any
age group. So also check out your local library and
see if they offer something.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
All right, we're going to take another break. We come
back the Gaming Hall of Fame. The Museum of Gaming
has put together its list of the inductees for the
Best Games Ever. They'll be three I guess they'll be inducted.
We'll go over to the list and find out which
ones you think should be in the Hall of Fame.
Coming up with tech Talk Radio. I'm Ady Taylor, I'm

(42:48):
Sean to Wear It, and I'm Matt Jones.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
Feel free to find us on Facebook at facebook dot
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Speaker 3 (42:56):
Now back to tech talk Radio.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
My parents just got a computer. Let me tell you
want to lead a stress free life, you don't allow
your parents to have anything made after nineteen seventy two.
Every time I'm home, it's another computer problem. Yeah, it
just locked up when I was playing Tetris. It's not Tetris,
that's a.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
The fragmentor the year is nineteen ninety eight. You've got
four friends, a cardboard box cut in two, so you
quad the TV right and you're playing Slappers only.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
GoldenEye No is odd job? Are are we not allowing
odd job? Because that's an odd job?

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Because his head's too small?

Speaker 4 (43:37):
It was the cheat and you started with four friends,
you might not have ended being friends.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
I brought that up because in the break we were
talking about the museum and the National Museum of Plays inductees,
the nominees for Hall of Fame Video Games.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah, they do this every year. They put up like
and they come up with three out of a lit
of a bunch of games to see which one should
be in the Hall of Fame. And I don't know
if this list is kind of a little wacky.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
It's kind of all over the place, right gold What
I was talking about was the Nintendo sixty four GoldenEye
Double seven, by far, one of the best multiplayer games
you could ever play in the history of multiplayer game?

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Did that ever come out ported to anything else?

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Oh, it's on the switch.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Oh it's on the Xbox.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yeah, it came a ported to the Xbox. It's on
the switch. If you have Nintendo Online, go to their website,
buy the wireless sixty four controllers, get four friends, get
three friends plus yourself, and play the ever living crap
out of that game.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Is it Pierres President?

Speaker 5 (44:46):
Right?

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Is that the James Bond?

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (44:48):
That was his first one. And do you know the
craziest thing about goldene which was for the long time
the gold standard of shooters.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
The the.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
Game developers who made GoldenEye had never made a video
game beforehand. And the reason and the reason why they like,
there's so many like video games from movies that are
just hot, steaming garbage, and this was such a gem
because they looked at the movie and they were like, Okay,
we cannot screw this up, so we are gonna go

(45:19):
scene by scene and make that level by level. So
they basically just like pourted the movie into a game,
and it was for a for a first outing home run,
brand slam cleared the basis and there was.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
It was rumored that they weren't even going to include
the multiplayer on the original. Oh yes, they added that
in last minute as like a well, let's just do
it and see what happens. And it's it's by far
one of the most incredible multiplayer games ever play.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
So you believe this one should be a member of
the video name Now.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Now I'm gonna quickly just go through the list. Right,
Age Vampires, Solid Game, Angry Birds. Anybody who's played Anger
Birds is had fun with that. Call Duty for Modern Warfare,
Solid game, Atari Defender never played it, but it sounds good. Frogger.
Everybody knows the the leap frogging game, Get Hit by Traffic,
Old nye, the Golden tea handheld now.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
That played it? That was a golf game, right is
a golf game?

Speaker 3 (46:21):
I mean, who hasn't played at least people my age
or Andy's age right in the bar?

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Oh yeah, yep, right.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Spending six bucks on four holes of game.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I remember the Arcade one. There was a big round
ball and you'd have to hit it really fast to
you know, take your golf shot. And yeah, never.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Harvest Moon, which this one, based on the picture, looks
like the Superintendo version instead of the sixty four version.
The sixty four version is one of the games I
can clearly remember being the first game I ever fell
asleep playing mattel Football Handheld, which I believe Matt said
in the Breaking add one.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Of these I did, Oh my god, that that handheld
was vastly older than I was.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yeah, but that was nineteen seventy seven that came out.
I remember that, yep.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah. Then you get into the NBA two K series,
which I'm not a basketball fan, but I've been told
that the NBA two K series is just awesome. Another
one of my favorite multiplayer games Quake, oh yeah, which
is just I feel like that's kind of this was
a standard for multiplayer for computer players back in the day.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Was that ID software that put that one out?

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (47:33):
Yeah, Quake put out ID and Quake and Unreal Tournament
were some of the first games that actually basically gave
birth to what we now consider the Electronic Sports League.
Oh yeah, they were some of the first, like actual
had competitions, get money, had tournaments, professional players like that

(47:55):
one really changed the game.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
And then the last one on the list. I grew
up when these came out. I had one. I probably
still have it somewhere in my house. Tamagotchi's it was
the little pet you had to keep alive. You had
and feed it and stuff, and if you had it
at school and they got caught with it, they would
take it away from you and they would give it
back to you the next day and your pet would
be dead. You'd feel sad. Yeah, So I don't know
that from.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Because the Big Three it was Tamagotchi's Nano Pets and
Digimon Digitmon. Yeah, though those were the big thory and
Digimon was different from them all because you could click
them together and make them fight. Oh and a couple
of years back they actually re released those and Lee
and I were at Game Stop and saw them and
just like looked at each other and had one of

(48:37):
those immediate silent conversations of like, are are we doing
this all? We're doing this and we still have our
new Digimon.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Well, only three can be inducted, definitely, GoldenEye, Double seven.
What else I think Quake should be part of that?

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I don't know. You got to look at it not
just from like, okay, I enjoyed these games, but from
like a culture phenomenon. Right, Tomagachi's took over everything. Everybody
had one that it's like they feel like Tomagachi.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Will go in.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
And then Angry Birds just because it was like one
of the first mobile games that really took off.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Everybody played those.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Well, it spawned a whole franchise. Everybody played it a movie.
So I think it'll be Angry Birds, Tamagotchi, and probably GoldenEye.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
I'm gonna have to form the dissenting opinion, all right.
Age of Empires changed what a real time strategy game
could be.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
True.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
They came out in ninety seven and it's the main
competitor at that time. Tage of Empires was the Command
and Conquer series and COMM I went back recently and
replayed C and C remastered. It's all situational, like, Okay,
you've got build a couple of guys, you know, go
do this, hopefully they survive. Go take on the force
as a NOD because it was the it was the

(49:52):
Brotherhood of NOD and the GDI, the Global Defense Initiative.
I remember that Age of Empires one maybe not might
not make it. Empires two has been the gold standard,
the platinum level of what a real time strategy game
could be the next one. I think Call of Duty
for Modern Warfare. I remember queuing up outside of my

(50:14):
game stop back when we did midnight releases and you
can just have it automatically downloaded to your Xbox to
get that and that game it came out when I
was in college, and it took over every single dorm
that I could conceivably go into.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
It certainly did not disappoint.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
It changed first person shooters. The Call of Duty control
mapping is now what every single shooter game that comes
out uses. True that control mapping is now the golden default.
And Modern Warfare four because that was the first one
where they brought it to the modern age. Previously to that,
it was all World War Two and that was the

(50:53):
first time where it's like you don't need health packs,
you just need to get to cover for a minute
and spawn. Now one of the greatest shooter framesranchises in
the history of games, yep. And then you know, honestly,
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna revise it. I'm gonna say
Modern Warfare, Golden Eye and probably Froger.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Froger, Oh, Froger, do you remember the Seinfeld episode where George.
George had to replicate the Frogger game.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Babe, do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (51:29):
And he's like uh uh, and then they did the
aerial view of it. Yes, But I mean, Froger was
it was a cultural revolution and there were so many
different versions of it. I remember playing it on the
Atari and like that one like you got hit by
the car and it wasn't just a frog splat. It

(51:49):
was a frog splat. A little ambulance pulled up and
loaded the Frogger into it and drove away.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
It was like, I don't know what you're gonna do
for this frog. He's gone from three D to two D.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
But all right, listen, we gotta take another quick break.
But those are the ones. You could see the list
yourself by going to Museum of play dot org.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Scroll down.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
You'll see the inductees and you'll see the past ones
as well. I am hoping that Doom is in there,
because if you got Quake in their Doom has to
be in there. That was great.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
You might be earlier. I'm going back to the list.
I think Doom's in there.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Yeah, it's gotta be all right. We'll be back with
more of tech Talk Radio. I'm Andy Taylor, I'm Seanda Weird.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
And I'm Matt Jones. Feel free to shoot us a
message on x at tech Talk Radio.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
We'll be right back and now back to tech talk Radio.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Hey, this is Dietrich Bader Batman and you're listening to
TIK Talk Radio.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
We were just talking about inductees for the Video Game
Hall of Fame. I have to ask you, guys, and
I will give mine first, if you want, what is
either your favorite game of all time or the game
that had the biggest impact on your life. And while
while I give you a minutes to think about that,
mine is, it's actually a tie, and one of them
is very divisive inside of a community. Okay, the first

(53:04):
one is an old PS one game called The Legend
of Dragoon, and it was the game that actually taught
me that a game can truly tell a story with
so much depth and emotion. And I see Sean pumping
his fist in the air, so I'm not alone in this.
That game sucked me into RPGs for the rest of

(53:25):
my life, and the game I played not too long
after that still my favorite final Fantasy game of all time.
Final Fantasy eight.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Matt mentioned one of it's not my favorite RBG, but
it is. It was my brother's favorite, and he's collected.
He actually has the three colored disc set.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
I still have mine.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
It's not easy to come across now, but my brother
played that more than Idea. But that game is incredible.
It's so so good. Shortly thereafter, in that same timeframe,
there was a JRBG that came out called sube Codin
oh is That is by far my favorite JRPG of
all time. Suie Codin two is also very good. They
just I just downloaded it last night. They remastered it

(54:07):
and released it this past week.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Oho.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
My brother literally sent me a Discord message last night saying, hey,
just sent me a link with this remap. I immediately
went and downloaded it on the switch right now. It
plays so good on a handheld like I know. I
have it on a PS one. I've played through it
multiple times. I can go back to my original say
files or are still on the memory card. But Suie
Codin and Suie Coodin two are definitely my top two.

(54:29):
Like JRPG all right.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
For me, I used to go to the arcades, so
I remember playing games like Frogger Defender, some of those
games Missile Command, which was less so the stand up arcades.
But my first game on a computer was on an
Apple two E called Emon Adventure.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
God I've played that.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
It was a text adventure that was my first game.
It had no graphics in it. You were basically typing
move left, you know, go go west, go, You run
into this and what do you do? It was based
on your responsive based on how you were. So to me,
that would be an influential game that I certainly remember,
and it's not as exciting as yours, but it was
a lot of fun. Emon Adventure all right. That wraps

(55:11):
up this week's show. We'd love to hear what yours
are and the reason drop us a line tech guys
at tech talk radio dot com.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
I'm Andy Taylor, I'm Sean Weird, and I'm Matt Jones.
Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you all next week.

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