September 24, 2025 • 30 mins
Are your days running you—or are you running your days?
In this episode of That Will Nevr Work, Maurice Chism sits down with Scott Beebe, founder of My Business On Purpose and champion of time-blocking as a leadership strategy. Scott reveals how setting healthy boundaries and implementing intentional time practices can protect your most valuable asset—your time—and lead to more freedom, focus, and fulfillment.
We talk through common traps entrepreneurs fall into, the myth of multitasking, and why disciplined time management is actually the pathway to creativity and peace. If your schedule feels like chaos and your goals are buried under busywork, this conversation is your reset button.
🎧 Tune in and learn how to set boundaries that don’t limit your life—they liberate it.
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In this episode of That Will Nevr Work, Maurice Chism sits down with Scott Beebe, founder of My Business On Purpose and champion of time-blocking as a leadership strategy. Scott reveals how setting healthy boundaries and implementing intentional time practices can protect your most valuable asset—your time—and lead to more freedom, focus, and fulfillment.
We talk through common traps entrepreneurs fall into, the myth of multitasking, and why disciplined time management is actually the pathway to creativity and peace. If your schedule feels like chaos and your goals are buried under busywork, this conversation is your reset button.
🎧 Tune in and learn how to set boundaries that don’t limit your life—they liberate it.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I thank you very much for tuning in to that
Will Neverwork podcast. So what if the freedom you're chasing
is how the in the structure you're resisting Today Scott
bb joins me to talk about how boundaries and time
blocking can unlock your focus and your future. We'll talk
(00:21):
about it right after this.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Educate, empower, Enable Impact. Thank you for tuning in to
that Will Never Work, an award winning podcast where we
share inspiring information and personal experiences related to business and
the entrepreneurial journey from those who are leaders in their
respective field. Now here's your host, author and business coach Maurice.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I thank y'all very much for tuning in. So, of course,
as you well know, the links in a bio will
have his bio and everything else, so y'all can go
and listen to all the other wonderful podcasts he's been
on and all that type of stuff. But we like
to jump right all the way in. So most people
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think boundaries and routines are limiting, but Scott, you can
say they could create freedom. How can you impact why
Tom blocking isn't just about productivity but about purpose?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah, he thanks, good question.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I one of the things that I usually say around
this is I'll take a guy like Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
It's probably a good place to start.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yes, yes, So you take a guy like Lebron James,
and you look at Lebron James and think, man, that
is a.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
World class basketball player.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
You know, maybe best of all time, one of top two, whatever,
however you you would rank a guy like that, but certainly.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Best of my adult lifehood lifetime.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I actually got to watch Michael Jordan play when I
was a kid, but in my adult life, there's nobody
better than Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And so you look at this guy and you.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Could lay out all the physical physique features, all the
value that he brings, his soft skills, his leadership skills,
his wealth like the first.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
What is it, billion up, multi.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Billion dollar athlete.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
It's pretty incredible if you think about it. But if
you ask yourself a question, what made Lebron James? I
can make the argument that a white line made Lebron James.
What I mean by that boundary line of a basketball court,
because if Lebron James doesn't have the boundary of a
basketball court, Lebron James is not Lebron James. He's just
a big, fast, athletic dude from Ohio. But because there
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was the boundary of a basketball court, it gave him a.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Place, gave him space, He gave him a set of boundaries, set.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Of rules to be able then to understand what his
boundaries were where he could step into that boundary and play,
and all of a sudden, over a period of twenty
some odd years, he became the Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
You know, So I can make the argument.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
That Lebron James is not Lebron James without the boundary
of a basketball court forcing him to then have the
freedom of being Lebron James.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So I think there's some key points that you pointing
out in reference to using Lebron James and in that
thin boundary, So Lebron was made of where and maybe
at a young age of how athletic he might have been,
understand what talents he might have had, whether it was
him personally, whether it was his teammates, whether it was
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even his coach. But sometimes we don't have those individuals
that support us and showing us really what our potential
really is. And so how do we understand that within
that boundary? Because I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you.
I used to coach little kids five six years old,
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you know, in football and in basketball, and so sometimes
we could see potential what we think is potential, but
then there's others where we kind of pull them back.
So how do we understand what is our value if
especially those leaders are not telling us who we are
within that boundary?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yeah, you know, I think it's sort of a misnomer, Maurice,
that we just wake up and people are going to
come find us and necessarily call us out. That's huge
if you look back in the Jewish culture, calling was
a huge part of it. Hey we're going to call
you out into this sort of thing. But who was it? Well,
it was usually mom and dad was typically But what
about kids who are not in that situation? What about
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our adults who are not in that situation where we
don't have either that mom or dad. I'm not talking
about physically around, I'm just talking about the presence of
mind to be able to do that calling.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Or we've got other mentors in place. I think there's two.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Elements that we can go to, and both of these
can work together. Actually these aren't separate ideas, both work together.
One is that we go find those voices to speak
into us. So we go find people with respect, We find.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
People who we look at and go, I'd like to
go down that path. I'd like to go that direction.
That's number one. That's sort of the easiest way, the
harder way.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
There's a quote by a great poet named Any Dillard,
and she actually makes this quote about a schedule.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So this is a poem about a schedule. And here's
what she says.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
She says, how we spend our days is, of course,
how we spend our lives. What we do with this
hour and what we do with that hour, that's what
we're doing. A schedule, and this is really important. A
schedule defends against chaos and whim It's a net for
catching days. It's scaffolding, so good from a contractor standpoint,
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it's scaffolding by which a worker can stand and labor
with both hands at sections at a time.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
A schedule, and this is my favorite part of it.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
A schedule is a mock up of reason and order.
It's willed, and.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
It's fated, fak ed, it's fate. And so another word
for that is manufactured.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I'm Marie I Scott. We've made this thing and therefore
brought into being. It's just like this cast you done.
It didn't exist, you manufactured it, it came into being,
and now it offers value to so many people. So
she says this about a schedule. It's a piece and
a haven set into the wreck of time. It's a
lifeboat on what you find yourself decades later, still living.
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So if you want life down the road five years,
ten years, twenty years, fifty years, then what you're going
to have to do is pour the concrete of boundaries
today that you can then stabilize yourself on and begin
to work and whatever the work is that you're called to.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So it's funny that you say that, because I mean,
as you're speaking, there's a number of hours that comes
to mind, ten thousand hours. So if I say ten
thousand hours to you, Scott, what does that mean to you?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeah, Well, first thing it means is Malcolm Gladwell, he's
the one that he didn't come up with the idea,
but he's the one that certainly brought it to the
mainstream with one of his books.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I don't remember which, one tipic point of one of those,
And so.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
He talked about this idea of ten thousand hours, where
we've got to be careful about the ten thousand hours,
and I think there's.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Value in it. I think it's absolute right. We've got
to be careful at is if I do the same
crappy job ten thousand times point not developing.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
And so there's that whole mindset around it, but there
is value.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I'm reading a book right now. I don't have it
with me, but it's about artists and how they work.
It's about their schedules. I forget the title of it.
I wish I knew it, but it's a vignette.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
It's written I think in twenty twelve or twenty thirteen,
and the author of the book gives about I think
it's a couple hundred vignettes. He shows you Ben Franklin's schedule,
He shows you Thomas Wolfe's schedule. He shows you all
of these different artists, whether the writers, composers, musicians, it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
And he shows you their schedule.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
And they're all over the map and what they did,
some of them are very bizarre, but here's what they
all have in common. They had something. They had boundaries
of some type to be able to follow. And so
when we're thinking about this idea of boundaries, it's not
what are the boundaries? In fact, for somebody to ask me, Hey, Scott,
what are your boundaries? I don't mind sharing with you,
but I don't want you to mock. I don't want
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you to because they work for me, they may indeed not.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Work for you.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And so how do you combat someone or come and
encourage someone who says, well, I still want to be
the best, but I want to do what I want
to do, you know, because you hear that a lot
right now, Like I just want to be who I
am and I want to be free, but I still
want to be the best. So how do you work
with that mindset? Like to me, that's that's almost two
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opposite ends of the spectrum.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's a cute sentiment that, you know,
I just want to be me, so that we're in
a postmodern world and so if we look around and
people go, hey, I just want to do my thing.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I had a professor one time he told me this.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
He is actually my philosophy professor back in grad school,
and he used to be a philosophy professor at Notre Dame.
So he was at Notre Dame and he came in
and he had a class, sat down and he said, hey,
before we get started this class, I want to ask
how many of you are postmodern relativists. Now, for anybody
who doesn't know what that means, that means that, hey,
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what's good to me is good to me, and what's
good to you was good to you.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Right, So if I want to stop at the stop sign,
I'll stop.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
But if I don't, if I won't, Right, what's good
to me is that I'm gonna make my own rules.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I'm gonna make my own kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
And he said, well, that's great, he said, so a
couple of people raise it. Actually, the majority of the
class raise their hand. So, okay, so a lot of
postmineral relatives in here. Great, Well, you're gonna make my
job really easy as professor this year because what I'm
gonna do is every one of your.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Tests, I'm gonna take them and grab them up, stack
them out.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
I'm gonna go to the student center and I'm gonna
walk to the top of the stairs in the student
center and i'm gonna throw all your tests on the ground,
and then i'm gonna walk back down. The first test,
I come to, you get a one hundred. The second test,
I come to, you get a ninety seven, the third test,
ninety four, fourth test, all the way down in the
last paper I come to you're gonna fail. You're gonna
get a thirty forty whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Because that's what works for me, right, that's if we
make our own rules.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I'm gonna make my own rules. And he goes by
the way, I mean, that's how I'm gonna do it.
Got a class full post minor relativist. How many of
you are postmoned relatives?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Re hand again? He said, only two people raise their
hand after that.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
The reality is is we've got a common set of
societal norms that it's valuable for us to be able
to fall in line with. And so society gives us
modern boundaries. Governments give us boundaries, agencies give us boundaries,
congregations give us boundaries.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Faith practices and worldviews give us boundaries.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
So, in fact, if you just take all of that
away and just look at the Earth, the Earth has boundaries.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
We've got gravity, we've.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Got atmospheric boundaries, we've got all of these natural laws
that are there. And so if we just look at
our natural world we go. There are boundaries everywhere. Why
wouldn't we manufact and all of them except the natural boundaries, every.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Other boundary has been manufactured's been man made. So why
wouldn't we man make.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Our own boundaries, knowing that those ultimately bring freedom society
for how we live.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And I hear exactly what you're saying, but a lot
of times and I hear this, I mean, being a
corporate in America, now being an entrepreneur. You know, sometimes
people feel so constraint and they can't feel like they
can't be as creative. I'm just saying this is how
they feel. Sure you know that they can't be as
creative within those boundaries, not and not really taking a
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time to think it all the way through that like
you're stating like it's therefore a reason, you know. And
so even if you just give yourself an hour within
that constraint and that timeframe, hey, an hour is buried
in nothing. Five minutes is barren in nothing, you know,
to perfect your craft. And so I think sometimes we
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get so caught up in being who we are and
want to think outside the box because we think also
that's thinking outside the box that we don't allow ourselves
the rigidity of becoming that professional, becoming that expert, to
becoming the head of the class well no matter what
the situation is, even to even going back to your
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idea of college just studying you know a thing that
will Hey, you know what, because I'm cute, because I
think I know it, and I could just walk into
any situation and light up a room. But that's not
always the case. We can't always depend on those things.
I ea, Lebron, he can't always just depend on Hey,
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just because I could shoot a three from ninety three
feet don't mean I'm going to make it every single time.
I have to practice on it and practice on it
to become way more consistent. Because keep in mind, when
he first stepped into the league history point percentage wasn't
that great.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, now it's improved.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Well, let's get back to Lebron, and let's take your
concept of man, I just was too constrictive. Whatever Lebron
can step on a basketball court, that basketball court is.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Not very big.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
In fact, if you wanted fewer boundaries, he should have
played football or soccer. They're much bigger fields, right, and
so he would have more space to be able to
maneuver and do different things.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
And yet he chose the basketball player.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
You're telling me Lebron did not feel read them on
a basketball court. In fact, I can make the argument
that if you asked Lebron James Hey to play basketball,
would you rather play the same game basketball on a
court the size of a basketball court? The court of
the size of a volleyball court. So now we're smaller
a court the size of a football field, or the
court the size of a polo field.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I don't even know how big those are.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
You get my point.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yet there's no way he would opt for anything else.
He would go, no, give me a basketball court.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
I can do what I need to do within the
bounds of that basketball court. And so what we do.
One time, I was working for a Pfizer at the time,
so big multinational. You can imagine They've got SOPs and
processes and all those things in place. And there's a
lot of legal issues because we're selling pharmaceuticals that go
into human bodies, and so we've got to be very
very careful about what we do and what we say,
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and so they had to have pretty tight strictures on it.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And I'll never forget.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
I reached out to seth godin one time. He put
his email out in public domain. It's like, I'm going
to email the guy, and so I asked him a
question I was like, and it was this question, in
this idea of God feels so constrained, you know, how
can I show creativity and environment that constrains so much?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
He gave me a one he actually responded to, which
I couldn't believe. But he gave me a one sentence response.
And here's what it was. At least they're clear. That
was it.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
And it took me probably two years to figure out
what he was saying. So if you can get that
well done, you got a lot faster than me.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
But here's the sense of what he was saying.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Hey, if you don't like it, leave you don't like it,
leave But at least they're being clear. And there's a
lot of places you can go that you may have
lots of freedom, but there is no clarity.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
And so what we tell people all the time is
the silver bullet. If you want a silver bullet.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
On how to run a business, how to run a family,
how to run a marriage, how to run relationships, go
for one word spelled with C, and then the word
is clarity off for clarity. And within clarity you will
clearly set the boundaries. And by setting those boundaries, you
will have the freedom to either leave or stay. There's
an old adage in actually in Jewish culture. It's out
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of the Book of Tobackuck in the Old Testament, says this.
It says, write the vision. Yeah, write the vision down
so that those who read it may run dot dot
dot and then wait, it's a point in time for
it surely will come.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
What does that require? Patience and a willingness to live
within the vision.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
And there's another part that says where there is no vision,
people scatter. And what I would argue is where there
are multiple visions, people scatter as well, meaning where there
are no boundaries and we just free to run man,
free to run, right, And so write the vision down
so that those who read it may run, but it
doesn't tell you which direction they'll run. It may run
with you, or they may run away. That's okay. But
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what you've done is create a clarity.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
That's the value.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And I think part of that is because when you
say clarity, there's other one word ideas that come to mind, focus, dedication, commitment, accountability,
which is also other words because you're talking about right
division and make it plain mentality. Well, sometimes those other
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one word things I like to run away from.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But at least you're clear once you have it there.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Like, for instance, if somebody came to me and said, hey, uh,
I want you to be a fan of this team,
give me more information because I don't. I don't know yet, right,
and they say, well, they have their colors are.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Orange, it's Tiger Paul.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
They've got a head coach with a funky first name
and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I'd be like, no way, I don't want that team.
I don't want anything.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Give me another option. Okay, so it's got a game cock,
garn It and black. They got a real fun head coach.
I'm like, I'm in.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Give me give me that school. I want that school.
I probably should tell you who these schools are.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
But nonetheless, you get My point is, once you start
to define the vision of that culture, what it looks like.
Now I get to the side and it's clear for me,
and I can make a clear decision to not go
that way, and I can also make a clear decision
to go that way at the same time, and that
all goes back to boundaries bring freedom, which goes back
at time too, and we can talk about that a
little bit of.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So so I'm gonna I'm gonna play the game a
little bit, right, you know. So when I think about
the the colors that you're referring to and maybe the game. See,
my family is from that state, I mean, the first game,
the first school that comes from is South Carolina, right,
you know, and the University of South Carolina. And so
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when you think about those teams and those colors, you know,
they don't they don't inspire me. Maybe right, maybe I
want maybe some some yellow and purple. I think that's
yellow and purple, right.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Or or when you said blue and ors, you know,
maybe it's too hot down there in Floyd, like, you know,
So what is it that that is? Because again, when
we think about creativity, when we think about clarity, we
sometimes we don't know that we take all those other
little parts into consideration as well, you know. And so
when I talk about being focused and all that type
of stuff, sometimes those little details we don't acknowledge because
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it could be just a statement someone said and we
don't realize that it affected us as much as might
have when they said it, and so and that kind
of changes or flicks that switch for us to go
to another direction. So so sometimes I think we need
to understand some of the details and the influences that
helps us to get to that decision as well.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and so understanding details around it, understanding influence.
There's always going to be external factors that come in, right,
And I'll go back to this idea of time. We
look at time as something that just sort of happens.
It's kind of like a fish in water. They're just
sort of there right, sort of water. And we don't
see time as a currency.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
It was Dietrich.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Bonhoffer who said one time, he said time is irrevocable.
I mean you can't get it back. You sign an
irrevocable trust. It's a trust you can't really change, you
can't do anything about. And so we tend to look
at time as something that just keeps coming. But we
look at money as it's going to run out. It's
actually just the opposite. Money can be regenerated, it's a
renewable resource. But time it's finite. There is no renewable resource.
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The second that's good fact to Andy Dillar, what you're
doing with this hour and what you're doing with that
hour is what you were doing.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
You can't change that.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
And so you and I during this time right now,
we can't get this back. That's why we need to
try to make this as valuable as we can. And
so when we look at time, we need to actually
spend more time budgeting our time than even we do
our money. If we can subdivide our money, which is
what we push people to do.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
We want business owners to have seven, eight, nine, ten
bank accounts.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Is when a dollar comes in, we need to forcefully
cut it up or else it's going to start having
a hold on us. Well, with our time, we have
one hundred and sixty eight units of currency every single week.
If you divide that up into hours, and you look
at those hours and go, how am I spending those?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Just like you would look at your money and say
how am I spending that?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
And so if we can begin to subdivide our time
and go, you know what, I'd like to take about
forty forty five thirty eight of these units and devote
it to meaningful work.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Okay, great, how much do you want to vote to
meaningful sleep and rest?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
How much do you want to vote to meaningful time
with your spouse, with your kids, with your family, with
your community, with what And so when you start to
subdivide these things, here's what you're doing. You're building boundaries. God,
that sounds kind of robotic. I feel like I'm going
to be a robot if you do that. Okay, I'll
take that risk for a minute, because what you'll find
over time is it actually allows you to become more human.
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But I can't sell you on that until you actually
start to build those boundaries and find free.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
But the sky. You're speaking as if like I put
a true value on time. I feel like if I
have so much abundance of time, does the way it
feels we don't realize. I mean, I'm forty nine years old,
forty you know, forty five years ago. I didn't know
what forty nine was going to look like, how fast
it was going to come, right, you know, And so
sometimes we don't understand. I mean, I've been married. Come September,
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I'll be married for twenty five years. That came just
like that, right, you know. And so sometimes we don't
understand how valuable that time is because, like you stated,
we never get it back, and before you know it,
your kids are grown, they're out the house, you know,
whatever the situation is. So so, but we put so
much value because it's always in our face. Financial, financial money,
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diamond rings, fancy cars, that's always in our face. So
time is not that it doesn't have that value that
that dollar has.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a societal thing that we
have not placed value on that. But if again, if
you look past historic cultures, they far more value time.
They were very content to sit at whatever level of
means that they had to be able to do this.
This idea of piling up was not necessarily in their culture.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
In fact, if you think about the early Jewish cultures
that came out of Egypt, you can look at their
migration go out of Egypt into the mainland where they
are now and where.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
They occupy now, you'll find that they had to be
provided for through a desert, so they they couldn't grow
any food, and the rule was that God would provide
the food, but they could not gather more than what
they needed for that day or also would spoil and
so that happened for years and years and years decades.
About four decades of that happened, and so they were
going through and so what it valued was the time
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of that and not this idea of piling up resources
over time.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
And so if we can start to look back and
I'm Marie, I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I'm a year older than you are, married twenty seven years,
I got three kids in their twenties, like I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I'm right here, and I'm looking in the rear view
going totally smokes right like that was really really fat.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
And I had a guy tell me one time, Hey,
he said, you can see sixty.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
A lot clearer, can't you. I'm like, yeah, I can.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
And so I look at that and go, okay, statistically
I got another twenty thirty years or something like that.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Whatever this is statistics sick.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
How am I going to take those units of measure,
that measure of currency of time, and how am I
going to manufacture a boundary around that time so that
I can get to seventy eighty And I'm bedding in
the ground.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
And my sons and my daughter stand.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Over me and go that guy leveraged what he had
here on earth in a meaningful, powerful way to serve us.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Wow, that's what I want to do. But I've got
a lot of funerals.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I've been to where the guy in the ground or
the woman in the ground have plenty of money.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's not in the ground with him. It's still out
here somewhere, and they're arguing about it. It's in probate. Whatever
they're arguing about.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Nobody ever argues about the time unless they missed it.
That's where things get really somber. Is that man on
the ground never spent time with me. In the ground,
never spent.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Time with me. But the fact that, hey, that man
on the ground never spent money on me, nobody cares
about that the point.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
So I think if we can take a long view
look at our time, take a currency based look at
our time, not just seize the dollar as a unit
of currency, but also see the minute, the hour, of
the day, of the week, the month as a measure
of currency, I think all of a sudden will start
to look a little bit differently about this stuff and
to see and then align that, of course with the
vision mission values and look it around and go, hey, man,
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I like that court.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I want to play on that court. I like that boundary.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
And so I'm sorry, I mean that you keep seeing
these little nuggets. Man, I know that we can go
over the time. So but I'm gonna use that funeral
idea that you just utilize. Right. A lot of times
when people, a lot of us go to funerals, you know,
you have those individuals that are crying, they're boohooing, you know,
and a lot of times it's about that it just
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my own experience. They're regretting the time they did not
spend properly with that individual, right, you know, yes we're
gonna miss them. Everyone's gonna miss that individual, right. But
but those that are really really like broken all the
way down. It's like there's some unresolved situations that where
they did not utilize their time properly, efficiently and effectively
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with that individual. Whether it's something that's unsaid, Hey, maybe
I didn't mean to have that argument with you in
that moment, right, you know, I should have said I
love you or I understand you or whatever it is.
Whether it's and you can say I love you to
your coworker without it being you know, an hr issue, right,
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you know, but but I just love you as a
human being, you know. And so I think sometimes we
are in the mental mentality of regret when those things
that we've lost that we you know, now we now
that because now we can't regain it. Now it has value,
you know. And so those are just some of the
mindset things I think some people have in those moments.
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The idea of our funeral.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, yeah, you know. There's a phrase that I've learned
this year.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
A guy has taught me, and it's been so helpful
for me, and I refer to it as a leadership bias.
I don't remember what he refers to it as, but
I ripped it off from him and I just now
referred to it as a leaderspith. So when we think
of ourselves as leaders of whatever, we're leading, a relationship,
a person, a team of business, whatever. He has these
three phrases, and he says, move towards be dependent on
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and be responsible for.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Move towards be dependent on and be responsible for.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
And he's got a phrase that goes with it, and
he goes, this may not be my fault, whatever situation is.
This may not be my fault, but it is my responsibility.
And so when you've got a situation. When you get
to the end of that expenditure of the time currency
that you have, you want to be able to look
back and go I did not miss an opportunity to
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move towards that situation.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Now I might have been wrong, you know, it's fifty
to fifty shot. I got that right. You know.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
I had a hard conversation with my sons a couple
of weeks ago, and fifty to fifty shot, I was
gonna get that right, right, And it turns.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Out it went really really well, so very healthy. We
had a great follow up conversation.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
But I don't regret even if it would not have
gone well, I don't regret moving.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Towards him in that moment.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
M h. And So I think thinking through that idea
of move towards, be dependent on it and be Responsiblefore
it might not be my fault, but it is my responsibility.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Scott Man. I mean you You've provided so much information, Todavid.
It is so thought provoking and inspiring because and I
hope those that are listening for the exact same way.
You know, Scott, I appreciate you coming on the show.
So with those people that are looking to move forward,
you know, and to be dedicated, committed and get more
clarity on how they're spending their time within their boundary.
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Where can he find you and talk to you, Scott, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Our websites Business on Purpose dot com we work with
business owners between the three and one hundred.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Employees, and so we work precisely with the owners.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
To help them build out their purpose, their profit, their
people and their process all those four foundational cornerstones of
every business. And uh and yeah, we do it at
Business on Purpose dot com. I got a couple of
books on there, you can go check a look at.
We've got podcasts or probably six hundred episodes on We
got materials.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
For days on that website, so many of stuff to
be able to go over there and really start to
have some what we call RPM times reputation, predictability and
meaning really start to grow in that area.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
So yeah, Business on Purpose dot com rease. And again,
I want to tell you this is a lot of
work putting a podcast on.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Really grateful that you would allow me to be a
part of it.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Man, Listen, bro, you know it has been a blessing
to me. I'm gonna be honest with you, you know,
because we you know iron sharp as iron, right, you know,
And so I appreciate you coming on and sharing that
information today. I really do. Man. Yeah, man, But but
you know, before I let you go, I got to
ask you the question I asked all my guests though, well,
would you rather question, so, Scott, would you rather choose? Oh,
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let me purfase it by saying there are no boundaries.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Okay, no, no right or wrong answer.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Would you rather choose three doors or a fork in
the road.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I think I would rather choose a fork in the
road because it represents movement to me, and it goes
back to what I said, I would rather move towards
something have a fifty to fifty shot of being right
or wrong than anything else. And I'm afraid that if
I stood in front of doors, I would just be paralyzed.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I'm on the road. I'm gonna take the path, not
sure if I'm right, take the path.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And so and I agree with you because sometimes more
options you get stuck, analysis, paralysis, mentalities, right, you know,
And so I think, in my opinion, it doesn't matter
which road you take, You're gonna still come to this
to your desire outcome anyway, you know. So nothing is
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a loss in my opinion. It might take a.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Little longer, though longer I know, right, you know. But Scott,
thank you for coming on the show man.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, man, I appreciate it, no problem.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Thank you very much for coming on. And of course everyone,
all of Scott's information will be in the show notes
and I'll talk to you just a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Thanks for listening. Follow Maurice Chisholm on social media to
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next time. That will never work, or will it.
I thank you very much for tuning in to that
Will Neverwork podcast. So what if the freedom you're chasing
is how the in the structure you're resisting Today Scott
bb joins me to talk about how boundaries and time
blocking can unlock your focus and your future. We'll talk
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about it right after this.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Educate, empower, Enable Impact. Thank you for tuning in to
that Will Never Work, an award winning podcast where we
share inspiring information and personal experiences related to business and
the entrepreneurial journey from those who are leaders in their
respective field. Now here's your host, author and business coach Maurice.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I thank y'all very much for tuning in. So, of course,
as you well know, the links in a bio will
have his bio and everything else, so y'all can go
and listen to all the other wonderful podcasts he's been
on and all that type of stuff. But we like
to jump right all the way in. So most people
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think boundaries and routines are limiting, but Scott, you can
say they could create freedom. How can you impact why
Tom blocking isn't just about productivity but about purpose?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah, he thanks, good question.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I one of the things that I usually say around
this is I'll take a guy like Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
It's probably a good place to start.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yes, yes, So you take a guy like Lebron James,
and you look at Lebron James and think, man, that
is a.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
World class basketball player.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
You know, maybe best of all time, one of top two, whatever,
however you you would rank a guy like that, but certainly.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Best of my adult lifehood lifetime.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
I actually got to watch Michael Jordan play when I
was a kid, but in my adult life, there's nobody
better than Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
And so you look at this guy and you.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Could lay out all the physical physique features, all the
value that he brings, his soft skills, his leadership skills,
his wealth like the first.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
What is it, billion up, multi.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Billion dollar athlete.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
It's pretty incredible if you think about it. But if
you ask yourself a question, what made Lebron James? I
can make the argument that a white line made Lebron James.
What I mean by that boundary line of a basketball court,
because if Lebron James doesn't have the boundary of a
basketball court, Lebron James is not Lebron James. He's just
a big, fast, athletic dude from Ohio. But because there
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was the boundary of a basketball court, it gave him a.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Place, gave him space, He gave him a set of boundaries, set.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Of rules to be able then to understand what his
boundaries were where he could step into that boundary and play,
and all of a sudden, over a period of twenty
some odd years, he became the Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
You know, So I can make the argument.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
That Lebron James is not Lebron James without the boundary
of a basketball court forcing him to then have the
freedom of being Lebron James.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So I think there's some key points that you pointing
out in reference to using Lebron James and in that
thin boundary, So Lebron was made of where and maybe
at a young age of how athletic he might have been,
understand what talents he might have had, whether it was
him personally, whether it was his teammates, whether it was
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even his coach. But sometimes we don't have those individuals
that support us and showing us really what our potential
really is. And so how do we understand that within
that boundary? Because I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you.
I used to coach little kids five six years old,
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you know, in football and in basketball, and so sometimes
we could see potential what we think is potential, but
then there's others where we kind of pull them back.
So how do we understand what is our value if
especially those leaders are not telling us who we are
within that boundary?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yeah, you know, I think it's sort of a misnomer, Maurice,
that we just wake up and people are going to
come find us and necessarily call us out. That's huge
if you look back in the Jewish culture, calling was
a huge part of it. Hey we're going to call
you out into this sort of thing. But who was it? Well,
it was usually mom and dad was typically But what
about kids who are not in that situation? What about
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our adults who are not in that situation where we
don't have either that mom or dad. I'm not talking
about physically around, I'm just talking about the presence of
mind to be able to do that calling.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Or we've got other mentors in place. I think there's two.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Elements that we can go to, and both of these
can work together. Actually these aren't separate ideas, both work together.
One is that we go find those voices to speak
into us. So we go find people with respect, We find.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
People who we look at and go, I'd like to
go down that path. I'd like to go that direction.
That's number one. That's sort of the easiest way, the
harder way.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
There's a quote by a great poet named Any Dillard,
and she actually makes this quote about a schedule.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So this is a poem about a schedule. And here's
what she says.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
She says, how we spend our days is, of course,
how we spend our lives. What we do with this
hour and what we do with that hour, that's what
we're doing. A schedule, and this is really important. A
schedule defends against chaos and whim It's a net for
catching days. It's scaffolding, so good from a contractor standpoint,
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it's scaffolding by which a worker can stand and labor
with both hands at sections at a time.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
A schedule, and this is my favorite part of it.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
A schedule is a mock up of reason and order.
It's willed, and.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
It's fated, fak ed, it's fate. And so another word
for that is manufactured.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I'm Marie I Scott. We've made this thing and therefore
brought into being. It's just like this cast you done.
It didn't exist, you manufactured it, it came into being,
and now it offers value to so many people. So
she says this about a schedule. It's a piece and
a haven set into the wreck of time. It's a
lifeboat on what you find yourself decades later, still living.
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So if you want life down the road five years,
ten years, twenty years, fifty years, then what you're going
to have to do is pour the concrete of boundaries
today that you can then stabilize yourself on and begin
to work and whatever the work is that you're called to.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So it's funny that you say that, because I mean,
as you're speaking, there's a number of hours that comes
to mind, ten thousand hours. So if I say ten
thousand hours to you, Scott, what does that mean to you?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeah, Well, first thing it means is Malcolm Gladwell, he's
the one that he didn't come up with the idea,
but he's the one that certainly brought it to the
mainstream with one of his books.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I don't remember which, one tipic point of one of those,
And so.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
He talked about this idea of ten thousand hours, where
we've got to be careful about the ten thousand hours,
and I think there's.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Value in it. I think it's absolute right. We've got
to be careful at is if I do the same
crappy job ten thousand times point not developing.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
And so there's that whole mindset around it, but there
is value.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I'm reading a book right now. I don't have it
with me, but it's about artists and how they work.
It's about their schedules. I forget the title of it.
I wish I knew it, but it's a vignette.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
It's written I think in twenty twelve or twenty thirteen,
and the author of the book gives about I think
it's a couple hundred vignettes. He shows you Ben Franklin's schedule,
He shows you Thomas Wolfe's schedule. He shows you all
of these different artists, whether the writers, composers, musicians, it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
And he shows you their schedule.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
And they're all over the map and what they did,
some of them are very bizarre, but here's what they
all have in common. They had something. They had boundaries
of some type to be able to follow. And so
when we're thinking about this idea of boundaries, it's not
what are the boundaries? In fact, for somebody to ask me, Hey, Scott,
what are your boundaries? I don't mind sharing with you,
but I don't want you to mock. I don't want
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you to because they work for me, they may indeed not.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Work for you.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And so how do you combat someone or come and
encourage someone who says, well, I still want to be
the best, but I want to do what I want
to do, you know, because you hear that a lot
right now, Like I just want to be who I
am and I want to be free, but I still
want to be the best. So how do you work
with that mindset? Like to me, that's that's almost two
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opposite ends of the spectrum.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's a cute sentiment that, you know,
I just want to be me, so that we're in
a postmodern world and so if we look around and
people go, hey, I just want to do my thing.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I had a professor one time he told me this.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
He is actually my philosophy professor back in grad school,
and he used to be a philosophy professor at Notre Dame.
So he was at Notre Dame and he came in
and he had a class, sat down and he said, hey,
before we get started this class, I want to ask
how many of you are postmodern relativists. Now, for anybody
who doesn't know what that means, that means that, hey,
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what's good to me is good to me, and what's
good to you was good to you.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Right, So if I want to stop at the stop sign,
I'll stop.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
But if I don't, if I won't, Right, what's good
to me is that I'm gonna make my own rules.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I'm gonna make my own kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
And he said, well, that's great, he said, so a
couple of people raise it. Actually, the majority of the
class raise their hand. So, okay, so a lot of
postmineral relatives in here. Great, Well, you're gonna make my
job really easy as professor this year because what I'm
gonna do is every one of your.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Tests, I'm gonna take them and grab them up, stack
them out.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
I'm gonna go to the student center and I'm gonna
walk to the top of the stairs in the student
center and i'm gonna throw all your tests on the ground,
and then i'm gonna walk back down. The first test,
I come to, you get a one hundred. The second test,
I come to, you get a ninety seven, the third test,
ninety four, fourth test, all the way down in the
last paper I come to you're gonna fail. You're gonna
get a thirty forty whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Because that's what works for me, right, that's if we
make our own rules.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I'm gonna make my own rules. And he goes by
the way, I mean, that's how I'm gonna do it.
Got a class full post minor relativist. How many of
you are postmoned relatives?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Re hand again? He said, only two people raise their
hand after that.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
The reality is is we've got a common set of
societal norms that it's valuable for us to be able
to fall in line with. And so society gives us
modern boundaries. Governments give us boundaries, agencies give us boundaries,
congregations give us boundaries.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Faith practices and worldviews give us boundaries.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
So, in fact, if you just take all of that
away and just look at the Earth, the Earth has boundaries.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
We've got gravity, we've.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Got atmospheric boundaries, we've got all of these natural laws
that are there. And so if we just look at
our natural world we go. There are boundaries everywhere. Why
wouldn't we manufact and all of them except the natural boundaries, every.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Other boundary has been manufactured's been man made. So why
wouldn't we man make.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Our own boundaries, knowing that those ultimately bring freedom society
for how we live.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
And I hear exactly what you're saying, but a lot
of times and I hear this, I mean, being a
corporate in America, now being an entrepreneur. You know, sometimes
people feel so constraint and they can't feel like they
can't be as creative. I'm just saying this is how
they feel. Sure you know that they can't be as
creative within those boundaries, not and not really taking a
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time to think it all the way through that like
you're stating like it's therefore a reason, you know. And
so even if you just give yourself an hour within
that constraint and that timeframe, hey, an hour is buried
in nothing. Five minutes is barren in nothing, you know,
to perfect your craft. And so I think sometimes we
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get so caught up in being who we are and
want to think outside the box because we think also
that's thinking outside the box that we don't allow ourselves
the rigidity of becoming that professional, becoming that expert, to
becoming the head of the class well no matter what
the situation is, even to even going back to your
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idea of college just studying you know a thing that
will Hey, you know what, because I'm cute, because I
think I know it, and I could just walk into
any situation and light up a room. But that's not
always the case. We can't always depend on those things.
I ea, Lebron, he can't always just depend on Hey,
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just because I could shoot a three from ninety three
feet don't mean I'm going to make it every single time.
I have to practice on it and practice on it
to become way more consistent. Because keep in mind, when
he first stepped into the league history point percentage wasn't
that great.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah, now it's improved.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Well, let's get back to Lebron, and let's take your
concept of man, I just was too constrictive. Whatever Lebron
can step on a basketball court, that basketball court is.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Not very big.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
In fact, if you wanted fewer boundaries, he should have
played football or soccer. They're much bigger fields, right, and
so he would have more space to be able to
maneuver and do different things.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
And yet he chose the basketball player.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
You're telling me Lebron did not feel read them on
a basketball court. In fact, I can make the argument
that if you asked Lebron James Hey to play basketball,
would you rather play the same game basketball on a
court the size of a basketball court? The court of
the size of a volleyball court. So now we're smaller
a court the size of a football field, or the
court the size of a polo field.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I don't even know how big those are.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
You get my point.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yet there's no way he would opt for anything else.
He would go, no, give me a basketball court.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
I can do what I need to do within the
bounds of that basketball court. And so what we do.
One time, I was working for a Pfizer at the time,
so big multinational. You can imagine They've got SOPs and
processes and all those things in place. And there's a
lot of legal issues because we're selling pharmaceuticals that go
into human bodies, and so we've got to be very
very careful about what we do and what we say,
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and so they had to have pretty tight strictures on it.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And I'll never forget.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
I reached out to seth godin one time. He put
his email out in public domain. It's like, I'm going
to email the guy, and so I asked him a
question I was like, and it was this question, in
this idea of God feels so constrained, you know, how
can I show creativity and environment that constrains so much?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
He gave me a one he actually responded to, which
I couldn't believe. But he gave me a one sentence response.
And here's what it was. At least they're clear. That
was it.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
And it took me probably two years to figure out
what he was saying. So if you can get that
well done, you got a lot faster than me.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
But here's the sense of what he was saying.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Hey, if you don't like it, leave you don't like it,
leave But at least they're being clear. And there's a
lot of places you can go that you may have
lots of freedom, but there is no clarity.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
And so what we tell people all the time is
the silver bullet. If you want a silver bullet.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
On how to run a business, how to run a family,
how to run a marriage, how to run relationships, go
for one word spelled with C, and then the word
is clarity off for clarity. And within clarity you will
clearly set the boundaries. And by setting those boundaries, you
will have the freedom to either leave or stay. There's
an old adage in actually in Jewish culture. It's out
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of the Book of Tobackuck in the Old Testament, says this.
It says, write the vision. Yeah, write the vision down
so that those who read it may run dot dot
dot and then wait, it's a point in time for
it surely will come.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
What does that require? Patience and a willingness to live
within the vision.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
And there's another part that says where there is no vision,
people scatter. And what I would argue is where there
are multiple visions, people scatter as well, meaning where there
are no boundaries and we just free to run man,
free to run, right, And so write the vision down
so that those who read it may run, but it
doesn't tell you which direction they'll run. It may run
with you, or they may run away. That's okay. But
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what you've done is create a clarity.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
That's the value.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And I think part of that is because when you
say clarity, there's other one word ideas that come to mind, focus, dedication, commitment, accountability,
which is also other words because you're talking about right
division and make it plain mentality. Well, sometimes those other
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one word things I like to run away from.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But at least you're clear once you have it there.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Like, for instance, if somebody came to me and said, hey, uh,
I want you to be a fan of this team,
give me more information because I don't. I don't know yet, right,
and they say, well, they have their colors are.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Orange, it's Tiger Paul.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
They've got a head coach with a funky first name
and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I'd be like, no way, I don't want that team.
I don't want anything.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Give me another option. Okay, so it's got a game cock,
garn It and black. They got a real fun head coach.
I'm like, I'm in.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Give me give me that school. I want that school.
I probably should tell you who these schools are.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
But nonetheless, you get My point is, once you start
to define the vision of that culture, what it looks like.
Now I get to the side and it's clear for me,
and I can make a clear decision to not go
that way, and I can also make a clear decision
to go that way at the same time, and that
all goes back to boundaries bring freedom, which goes back
at time too, and we can talk about that a
little bit of.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So so I'm gonna I'm gonna play the game a
little bit, right, you know. So when I think about
the the colors that you're referring to and maybe the game. See,
my family is from that state, I mean, the first game,
the first school that comes from is South Carolina, right,
you know, and the University of South Carolina. And so
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when you think about those teams and those colors, you know,
they don't they don't inspire me. Maybe right, maybe I
want maybe some some yellow and purple. I think that's
yellow and purple, right.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Or or when you said blue and ors, you know,
maybe it's too hot down there in Floyd, like, you know,
So what is it that that is? Because again, when
we think about creativity, when we think about clarity, we
sometimes we don't know that we take all those other
little parts into consideration as well, you know. And so
when I talk about being focused and all that type
of stuff, sometimes those little details we don't acknowledge because
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it could be just a statement someone said and we
don't realize that it affected us as much as might
have when they said it, and so and that kind
of changes or flicks that switch for us to go
to another direction. So so sometimes I think we need
to understand some of the details and the influences that
helps us to get to that decision as well.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and so understanding details around it, understanding influence.
There's always going to be external factors that come in, right,
And I'll go back to this idea of time. We
look at time as something that just sort of happens.
It's kind of like a fish in water. They're just
sort of there right, sort of water. And we don't
see time as a currency.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
It was Dietrich.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Bonhoffer who said one time, he said time is irrevocable.
I mean you can't get it back. You sign an
irrevocable trust. It's a trust you can't really change, you
can't do anything about. And so we tend to look
at time as something that just keeps coming. But we
look at money as it's going to run out. It's
actually just the opposite. Money can be regenerated, it's a
renewable resource. But time it's finite. There is no renewable resource.
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The second that's good fact to Andy Dillar, what you're
doing with this hour and what you're doing with that
hour is what you were doing.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
You can't change that.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
And so you and I during this time right now,
we can't get this back. That's why we need to
try to make this as valuable as we can. And
so when we look at time, we need to actually
spend more time budgeting our time than even we do
our money. If we can subdivide our money, which is
what we push people to do.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
We want business owners to have seven, eight, nine, ten
bank accounts.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Is when a dollar comes in, we need to forcefully
cut it up or else it's going to start having
a hold on us. Well, with our time, we have
one hundred and sixty eight units of currency every single week.
If you divide that up into hours, and you look
at those hours and go, how am I spending those?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Just like you would look at your money and say
how am I spending that?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
And so if we can begin to subdivide our time
and go, you know what, I'd like to take about
forty forty five thirty eight of these units and devote
it to meaningful work.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Okay, great, how much do you want to vote to
meaningful sleep and rest?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
How much do you want to vote to meaningful time
with your spouse, with your kids, with your family, with
your community, with what And so when you start to
subdivide these things, here's what you're doing. You're building boundaries. God,
that sounds kind of robotic. I feel like I'm going
to be a robot if you do that. Okay, I'll
take that risk for a minute, because what you'll find
over time is it actually allows you to become more human.
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But I can't sell you on that until you actually
start to build those boundaries and find free.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
But the sky. You're speaking as if like I put
a true value on time. I feel like if I
have so much abundance of time, does the way it
feels we don't realize. I mean, I'm forty nine years old,
forty you know, forty five years ago. I didn't know
what forty nine was going to look like, how fast
it was going to come, right, you know, And so
sometimes we don't understand. I mean, I've been married. Come September,
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I'll be married for twenty five years. That came just
like that, right, you know. And so sometimes we don't
understand how valuable that time is because, like you stated,
we never get it back, and before you know it,
your kids are grown, they're out the house, you know,
whatever the situation is. So so, but we put so
much value because it's always in our face. Financial, financial money,
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diamond rings, fancy cars, that's always in our face. So
time is not that it doesn't have that value that
that dollar has.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a societal thing that we
have not placed value on that. But if again, if
you look past historic cultures, they far more value time.
They were very content to sit at whatever level of
means that they had to be able to do this.
This idea of piling up was not necessarily in their culture.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
In fact, if you think about the early Jewish cultures
that came out of Egypt, you can look at their
migration go out of Egypt into the mainland where they
are now and where.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
They occupy now, you'll find that they had to be
provided for through a desert, so they they couldn't grow
any food, and the rule was that God would provide
the food, but they could not gather more than what
they needed for that day or also would spoil and
so that happened for years and years and years decades.
About four decades of that happened, and so they were
going through and so what it valued was the time
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of that and not this idea of piling up resources
over time.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
And so if we can start to look back and
I'm Marie, I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I'm a year older than you are, married twenty seven years,
I got three kids in their twenties, like I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I'm right here, and I'm looking in the rear view
going totally smokes right like that was really really fat.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
And I had a guy tell me one time, Hey,
he said, you can see sixty.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
A lot clearer, can't you. I'm like, yeah, I can.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
And so I look at that and go, okay, statistically
I got another twenty thirty years or something like that.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Whatever this is statistics sick.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
How am I going to take those units of measure,
that measure of currency of time, and how am I
going to manufacture a boundary around that time so that
I can get to seventy eighty And I'm bedding in
the ground.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
And my sons and my daughter stand.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Over me and go that guy leveraged what he had
here on earth in a meaningful, powerful way to serve us.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Wow, that's what I want to do. But I've got
a lot of funerals.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I've been to where the guy in the ground or
the woman in the ground have plenty of money.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's not in the ground with him. It's still out
here somewhere, and they're arguing about it. It's in probate. Whatever
they're arguing about.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Nobody ever argues about the time unless they missed it.
That's where things get really somber. Is that man on
the ground never spent time with me. In the ground,
never spent.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Time with me. But the fact that, hey, that man
on the ground never spent money on me, nobody cares
about that the point.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
So I think if we can take a long view
look at our time, take a currency based look at
our time, not just seize the dollar as a unit
of currency, but also see the minute, the hour, of
the day, of the week, the month as a measure
of currency, I think all of a sudden will start
to look a little bit differently about this stuff and
to see and then align that, of course with the
vision mission values and look it around and go, hey, man,
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I like that court.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I want to play on that court. I like that boundary.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
And so I'm sorry, I mean that you keep seeing
these little nuggets. Man, I know that we can go
over the time. So but I'm gonna use that funeral
idea that you just utilize. Right. A lot of times
when people, a lot of us go to funerals, you know,
you have those individuals that are crying, they're boohooing, you know,
and a lot of times it's about that it just
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my own experience. They're regretting the time they did not
spend properly with that individual, right, you know, yes we're
gonna miss them. Everyone's gonna miss that individual, right. But
but those that are really really like broken all the
way down. It's like there's some unresolved situations that where
they did not utilize their time properly, efficiently and effectively
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with that individual. Whether it's something that's unsaid, Hey, maybe
I didn't mean to have that argument with you in
that moment, right, you know, I should have said I
love you or I understand you or whatever it is.
Whether it's and you can say I love you to
your coworker without it being you know, an hr issue, right,
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you know, but but I just love you as a
human being, you know. And so I think sometimes we
are in the mental mentality of regret when those things
that we've lost that we you know, now we now
that because now we can't regain it. Now it has value,
you know. And so those are just some of the
mindset things I think some people have in those moments.
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The idea of our funeral.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, yeah, you know. There's a phrase that I've learned
this year.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
A guy has taught me, and it's been so helpful
for me, and I refer to it as a leadership bias.
I don't remember what he refers to it as, but
I ripped it off from him and I just now
referred to it as a leaderspith. So when we think
of ourselves as leaders of whatever, we're leading, a relationship,
a person, a team of business, whatever. He has these
three phrases, and he says, move towards be dependent on
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and be responsible for.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Move towards be dependent on and be responsible for.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
And he's got a phrase that goes with it, and
he goes, this may not be my fault, whatever situation is.
This may not be my fault, but it is my responsibility.
And so when you've got a situation. When you get
to the end of that expenditure of the time currency
that you have, you want to be able to look
back and go I did not miss an opportunity to
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move towards that situation.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Now I might have been wrong, you know, it's fifty
to fifty shot. I got that right. You know.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
I had a hard conversation with my sons a couple
of weeks ago, and fifty to fifty shot, I was
gonna get that right, right, And it turns.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Out it went really really well, so very healthy. We
had a great follow up conversation.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
But I don't regret even if it would not have
gone well, I don't regret moving.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Towards him in that moment.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
M h. And So I think thinking through that idea
of move towards, be dependent on it and be Responsiblefore
it might not be my fault, but it is my responsibility.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Scott Man. I mean you You've provided so much information, Todavid.
It is so thought provoking and inspiring because and I
hope those that are listening for the exact same way.
You know, Scott, I appreciate you coming on the show.
So with those people that are looking to move forward,
you know, and to be dedicated, committed and get more
clarity on how they're spending their time within their boundary.
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Where can he find you and talk to you, Scott, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Our websites Business on Purpose dot com we work with
business owners between the three and one hundred.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Employees, and so we work precisely with the owners.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
To help them build out their purpose, their profit, their
people and their process all those four foundational cornerstones of
every business. And uh and yeah, we do it at
Business on Purpose dot com. I got a couple of
books on there, you can go check a look at.
We've got podcasts or probably six hundred episodes on We
got materials.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
For days on that website, so many of stuff to
be able to go over there and really start to
have some what we call RPM times reputation, predictability and
meaning really start to grow in that area.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
So yeah, Business on Purpose dot com rease. And again,
I want to tell you this is a lot of
work putting a podcast on.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Really grateful that you would allow me to be a
part of it.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Man, Listen, bro, you know it has been a blessing
to me. I'm gonna be honest with you, you know,
because we you know iron sharp as iron, right, you know,
And so I appreciate you coming on and sharing that
information today. I really do. Man. Yeah, man, But but
you know, before I let you go, I got to
ask you the question I asked all my guests though, well,
would you rather question, so, Scott, would you rather choose? Oh,
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let me purfase it by saying there are no boundaries.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Okay, no, no right or wrong answer.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Would you rather choose three doors or a fork in
the road.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I think I would rather choose a fork in the
road because it represents movement to me, and it goes
back to what I said, I would rather move towards
something have a fifty to fifty shot of being right
or wrong than anything else. And I'm afraid that if
I stood in front of doors, I would just be paralyzed.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I'm on the road. I'm gonna take the path, not
sure if I'm right, take the path.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And so and I agree with you because sometimes more
options you get stuck, analysis, paralysis, mentalities, right, you know,
And so I think, in my opinion, it doesn't matter
which road you take, You're gonna still come to this
to your desire outcome anyway, you know. So nothing is
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a loss in my opinion. It might take a.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Little longer, though longer I know, right, you know. But Scott,
thank you for coming on the show man.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, man, I appreciate it, no problem.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Thank you very much for coming on. And of course everyone,
all of Scott's information will be in the show notes
and I'll talk to you just a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
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