Hyperblasts: Bullet for My Catfight

We rummage through the wreckage as Trivium and Bullet for My Valentine's Poisoned Ascendancy tour comes to a sudden stop with fingers generally being pointed at one party, and we ask big questions like: are four-sided longsleeves good?

Releases:
Bury Tomorrow - Will You Haunt Me, With That Same Patience
Callous Daoboys - I Don’t Want to See You in Heaven
Novelists - Coda
Pridian - Venetian Dark
Hundredth - Faded Splendor
Arm’s Length - There’s a Whole World Out There
Death Before Dishonor - Nowhere Bound
Pelican - Flickering Resonance
Steve von Till - Alone in a World of Wounds
Ondfødt - Dimsvall
Blood Monolith - The Calling of Fire
Antropomorphia - Devoid of Light
Cadaver Shrine - Into the Horrible Depths
Drouth - The Teeth of Time
Full of Hell - Broken Sword, Rotten Shield
Youth Code - Yours, With Malice

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hello, everybody, Welcome to Benson Boone with a spirit Halloween
gift card. We don't review that anymore. So this is
the one bit of joy I have in regards to
collective conversation around it. Just dual, you know, Bomb Strikes
of Pitchfork and Anthony Fantano on the same day doing
those uploads.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
But I caught a straw on that fantano one. I can't.
I'm not happy with that. I caught a straight there.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, the old Disney adult quip. Anyway, We're not bensa
Boon obviously we are. That's not metal and this is
Hyperblasts are weak rock and heavy metal news show where
we let you know the key things that have been
going on, the new releases that are outworked, a few
questions as well, and what we've just generally been up
to as well. This time around. My name is parn

(01:12):
Hayish with me my fellow Jensen Boons, my my fellow Gentrificators.
We've got Sam Dignan and Mark Sanderson. Hello. How are
we doing? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Good?

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Me and Sam. Before we get into the rest of
the news, we both went to different dates of the
Scowl UK tour. Speaking of an album that you know,
we is generally exciting and the kind of uh, I
guess in the reception that scale album has been pretty positive,
pretty maybe not world shifting, but it seems like a
pretty well like going to be one of the defining

(01:45):
kind of albums of the year probably and so then
coming very swiftly afterwards actually not having to wait too
long with the UK tour, particularly like you know, they
played Rebellion here in Manchester and I looked at it
and I was like, I don't know how long they're
going to be in venues of such size, with you know,
a very moderately priced ticket. I might as well pop
along while I can. So I did. You did Sam

(02:07):
as well. We had like some different you know bills
and stuff on our respective dates. But it was you know,
quite exciting to go and see Scowl on you know
again very hot on the heels of us talking about
that new album and everything.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, I mean, like obviously, So this is my fourth
time I've seen Scout like a headline show, third time
in the same sort of venue basically like they've done
I assuming like the downstairs like room at the Dime,
in the smaller room and then the main room. Last
year and this year. Very different experience. This time, very
different vibe, very different crowd, just a real different scale set,

(02:44):
which was really exciting and cool.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Is that the thing of there were pulling in people
who aren't necessarily like, you know, the kind of grassroots
level hardcore fans at this point.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, loads of people probably attending what like is their
first hardcore gig. There were a lot of people who
look was like, you wouldn't go and watch Speed or
Tsunami or.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Page for any of those sort of hard bands.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
A lot of times this scou gig would not go
near that stuff, and they were.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Like here for Scout.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Scout of kind of like crossed over now, but they've
also kind of like got those people when He's looking
at like wanting to act like they're at a hardcore
gig and you know, get on stage and stage dive
and trying to step, which is quite endearing in a way.
But it was a like the youngest Scout crowd I've
seen that Scoue show and the least amount of people
who again I would say are typically hardcore fans. So
it was even just like about the sort of the

(03:36):
changes to the set was a very different experience.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, so it just terms like very very briefly running
through some of the else that was going on the bill.
You had a band called body Web over there, didn't you,
who we did not have who seemed to be of
the variou support act, the one who have kind of
caught the most interest.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, they're really fucking cool body Web, but I quite
like them on record. They were kind of a UK
hardcore band who are going down the Code Orange avenue
of like fuck genre, We're a hardcore band, but we're
doing all other kind of stuff on record. It's a
little bit like like, I mean, maybe you can go
they're doing the Death Township because that's the kind of
the main thing. But when I saw it live and

(04:14):
I'm kind of going, oh, they were doing a song
that this could be a WWE like pay per view,
And then in the early two thousand soundtrack, it's that
pure like beefy wrestle metal and then it goes into
a kind of like shoegayzy passage and then I know
they'll just do a drum and bass like breakout and
then go into like a breakdown, and I was like,
they've got like a guy on a laptop live so
that they're they're they're like a five piece, so they've

(04:36):
kind again that's why I was just getting the kind
of capacity, but they've they're clearly pushing that side more
but really exciting live, and I was kind of like
they were just attacking it. They were so Larry, so
on your face and again what the code in comparisons.
I'm not saying they've got the songs on that level yet,
but just as a kind of like a hardcore band
who are really quite fearless in how they're kind of

(04:56):
attacking their music. And again you can see the influences,
you can see the Death Stones and all that sort
of stuff in there. But it was a real fresh,
sort of a young UK band take this sort of
stab of things, and I thought they were really cool.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, that's a name that I'll keep my eye up for.
Then we just had like the pure kind of alternative rock,
maybe slightly pop punk whatever leaning side of it, where
we had a band called Big Problem and then a
band who I believe we're on your date as well,
Modern Color.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
They were on every Modern Color or like on every
day all.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, because I think they come over with them from
California and that was sleepy, let me tell you. I
mean it didn't help that. So my date was literally
within about forty eight hours of Incineration Festival, which we
spoke about last week. So my neck was literally still
in pain from trip to Cone and watching those first
two bands. I actually I had an almost like out

(05:47):
of body experience of like watching a band, but because
there was no like sound waves physically hitting my body, it.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Was like causing you pain there.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's like I could see them there, but they were
actually impacting my physical space just by playing in the
in the same way, so I almost didn't quite believe
they were there. You know. It was a very genuinely surreal,
sort of like am I alive? Am I here? Sort
of moment. Yeah, very boring. But Scowl were good fun,
I would agree. I mean, I've not seen Scowl at
a headline show before, but I could also, you know,

(06:19):
notice that what it didn't look how you know, your
stereotypical hardcore show kind of looks anymore. There's a lot
more just people kind of you know, like just vibing,
bouncing up and down, doing those slightly meek stage dives off,
you know, that kind of thing. And obviously the fact
that they had, you know, very well sold these small venues,
there's not necessarily a lot of room for like a big,
you know, fish swingy dance floor or anything. It was

(06:40):
a kind of more compact. It looked maybe a little
bit more like a pop punk show would look. But
obviously you have a man like Scout who as well
as doing the you know, the kind of boppy melodic stuff,
which I thought was very good. I also like when
they still tear into, fuck around and fire out and
that stuff that's still there.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, maybe like Bloodhown wasn't a way they did get
these as hardcore side to side, everyone doing their funny
pit walks.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I was like, that's good, That's what I want to say.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
But like those are like that just the cool moments
that the pepper into the set. Now everything else is vibing,
singing along, like singing along, bouncing up and down and
just having a really fun time.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, and I thought that stuff again was fun. Where
like uh cat as obviously it's a great front woman,
great presence as an actual singer. I think the live
environment is maybe kind of the slight chink in their
armor has been particularly there was that the there was
it Steven Colbert.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
The Late Night TV.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, and there was there was a lot of the
like there was comments and stuff around that, and I
think they themselves had some tech issues where like, you know,
monitor stuff might not be able to fully hear usself
whatever was going on there. So I was kind of
you know, like, you know whatever. But watching this, I
was like, oh no, you actually like this is the
most melodically confident live scowl, you know, appearance that I
had seen thus far. In those you know, like not Heaven,

(07:56):
Not Hell, like those kind of songs, really boppy, really
fun melodies clearly carried they do now in the live
environment where you know, when we were reviewing the album,
we were sort of like, it was a really really
fucking good album, Like I don't want to unseally it's
like thirty odd minutes of really fucking great stuff. But
if you maybe look at the album, go like it's
a little one of one thing or whatever. In a

(08:16):
live set when they can pull from here's like again
the very early stuff. Here's like the slightly i don't know,
weirdest like it dance routine whatever, and then here's these
like fark pop punky type songs from the new album,
there's like a song that can kind of break up
every you know sort of thing that you would want
to see in a Scale set.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah, it did feel like really dynamic in that regard
where you know that they're the opening with one of
the songs off a psychic dancing one of the harder ones,
and then going straight into I think it was like
Babe or Fantasy the album where it was again popier
bouncier again.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
I think every time I've seen Scale, she's kind of
grown into the singing more and more. And I think,
like when did you know on the deb album that
like is not that long ago, it's you know.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Twenty twenty two, Like the first time I saw them
on that, Yeah, and when she.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Was just screeching and like like a sort of feral
banshee like that sort of thing. So it's only been
a couple of years where she's now pushing that to
like be the sort of the back in the back
end of the vocals and really focus on the mother stuff.
And they are getting there, and I think that those
I think it's the strongth of the melodies helps where
they're a lot more confident in the choruses where you

(09:21):
can't those meddings and carry through, but it just means
you're getting a great kind of like mix of songs.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
And when and when like shot Down like comes.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
In after a couple of like the newer songs, it's
that shot of adrenaline where like shot Down is still
like the sort of the perfect idea of a scale
song for me, where it is just like Rabbit and
so on your face with a great chorus, psychic dancerrou team.
You know, every time they play that, you get the
like the football chant to the opening guitar line. Now
it's such a fun moment. The new stuff like not Hell,
not Heaven, when that when that like build comes in

(09:52):
or like the end of the Tight I'm afraid like
those kind of like big center moments are like really
kind of like stirring in the life environment. I don't
they just like they've really sort of grown as a band.
They've really come into their own. And I think the
new album, like again, I've not stopped listening to it.
Here are those songs that I was like, yeah, this
is I just keep giving me more of this at
the moment.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, it was really good, fun and They're back again
very shortly for slam Dunk, aren't they. And I'm sure
that there'll be a consistent presence within, you know, over
the next year and the next couple of years, whatever
it may be. But yeah, nice being there sort of
fairly ground zero for like, Okay, they'll just release this album.
What's going on live? And it was a fun little
headline tour from them. Let's go into the news and
we are going to be speaking about a tour and

(10:32):
how it seems to have come to an unceremonious end.
All things considered, let us kick off the news. Our
main story, i suppose, is the poisoning of the Ascendency tour.
You could put it. But if my Valentine and Trivium
have been going on their Poison Ascendency tour celebrating the

(10:55):
twentieth anniversary of both of their albums that came out
in two thousand and five, you know you love them.
They did that full press conference thing, which is the
thing that I keep my mind keeps coming back to
in this last week, is just remembering the unveiling of
it all. It's gonna go down with Refused doing their
fucking you know, their their waiver or whatever, and Motley

(11:18):
Cruz blowing up their contractors, like press conferences that didn't
not age especially well. Uh, and they have been going.
You know, they were here in January, weren't they when
you know you two both saw them here in the UK.
But they've been going since then. I think they've done Europe,
they've been doing some of North America until just now

(11:38):
when Paolo actually I believe that actually before that it
was there was the kind of announcement where they were
like the Poisonous Sendency Farewell Tour, it's gonna do its
final dates, and people were like, hang on, what what
do you mean? Because they had said it would be
a full world tour going to South America or Australia,
ASI or whatever, which are the places they have not
gotten to yet. Paolo from True then did a little

(12:02):
you know, TikTok live stream thing and he put the
blame on mister Matt Tuck from billim Valentine and as
to why the poison to send a tour is not
going to be running its full proposed duration, he says,
Matt Tuck didn't want to do it after we had
planned it, after stuff was already in the works, don't

(12:23):
know why. I think it would have been amazing. I
think The Poison is a great album. I think the
two records pair very well together, and I think it
would have been nice to give everyone around the world
a chance to see the two together. He also included
the hashtag justice for South America as just an example
of the place that didn't get it, which is an
extra bit of I don't know, just like teasing, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Polo. Yeah, he's a bit of a shared a lovable one,
but a bit of a shared.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
I feel like it's been a while that we've had
some Polo antics, and I enjoyed seeing that little bit appear.
So people went, oh, what, why doesn't Matt Tuck want
to do the Ascendency Poison tour? And then it escalated,
and then it seems to have de escalated again. But
we're gonna try and cover this whole thing. The spiciest

(13:09):
thing about all of this was when someone, at least
to Myers, was when someone commented on I think the
power thing or a trivium thing, being like, well, you
don't have to mention Matt up by name, you know,
you don't have to kind of make it a public thing,
and the Trivium official account replied, he's the sole decision
maker of the band and he has no respect for
us or our crew.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
What I was so here for that. I was like,
this is it, Let's get messy, like I don't want
to be. I was like, I was here for a
messy breakup. I was so ready like and again, all
get on. You know what Matt Hafei has said on
it and how he has been like the bigger man.
But I do not blame any of Trivium or their crew,

(13:55):
and I'm sure whoever when the social media is probably
again part of their crew one bit for being pissed
off and kind of going no, it's all on him.
We ain't hiding the fact that this is on this guy.
Because again, tours are expensive to do, and then they
they and a tour like this, it's probably the most
money Trivin are going to make from a tour maybe ever.
Because it's been such a huge runaway success, they probably

(14:16):
blocked out the rest of their year for it. They've
like probably like pulled this aside and then all of
a sudden, rug Paul, and that's fucked it all over.
And now every member of Trium and their crew is
having to kind of like reassess the rest of the year.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
That's why I'm like.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
No, Trivin should, whoever's won that trim account, whoever, like
anyone involved, be messy, call it out directly.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Yeah, this is what the biggest tour trivium I've ever done.
And if one man is responsible for fucking it all up, yeah,
I'd be pissed off. I'd be calling him out. I
love this, I love how messy it is. I want
call out videos, I want apology videos, I want Jeffrey
Starr to get involved. They're just making the biggest ship show.

(15:00):
Like in a way, it's not really that surprising because
Bullets have a history of not handling things very well,
Like how they the original Drama Booths. They kicked him
out with him not even knowing he was kicked out.
They just didn't reply to his emails and didn't let

(15:23):
him back in the band. So they have a history
of just sort of no being weird and shitty on tour.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, and I think just again because as you're saying,
this comment was sort of de escalated, but maybe some
caveats that will point out. But when it comes to
the idea that Trivium would like essentially throw Matt Tuck
under the bus like this in terms of saying, no,
it's his fault he did this. And in the quote
from again that social thing, he has no respect for

(15:54):
us or our crew. Trivium are so fucking nice, right,
Trivium are so.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well liked apart from Paolo, Like again.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Even then, we all know he's nice. Really, Like, it's
just yeah, they're so agreeable. They're the most agreeable, and
I feel like no one good in this world has
a bad thing to say about Trivium as people, right, Like,
you know, maybe you don't like their new music, but
everyone respects Trivian. Yeah, and because they are so nice
to everybody, right, they're constantly championing, you know, their peers,

(16:25):
like you know, bands older than them that they look
up to, bands who they are coming through. They want
to champion bands on their level, like it has been
with Bullet right be like, you know, we love the poison.
We're so excited to go outside alongside the poison. Right.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
They they want to put that They are bands who
want to put positivity out there sometimes like to think
like mahav and a lot of the they want to
champion bands like I'm like champion every band, mat some
of these bands are a bit rubbish, you have to
champion them, like. But they're nice that like, but they
are just that, that's it, That is just they They
want to radiate good vibes and positivity.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
So it makes it all the better when they fucking
lash out at someone when they decide to come for somebody,
because you know, I.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Think about the there's the famous Iron Maiden Ozfest story
when Sharon Osbourne got people to egg Iron Maiden at
Ozfest and Matt has come out in recent years and
he said that, you know, Trivia were on that tour.
We were asked to engage in the egging of Iron Maiden.
We refused, and then they played their Ozfest set or
coming out wearing Iron Maiden shirts and then the rest,

(17:21):
like the oz Fest crew whatever kind of gave him
the cold shoulder for the rest of the things. It's like,
Trivium are fucking cool, right, They're so nice, but they
can put their money where their mouth is when when
they need to, and they have these instances are like
showing that they can, you know, they can stand up
for themselves and all of this stuff that it again,
it makes it slightly deuicier and almost like, Mark, what
have they done to really make the nicest band in

(17:42):
the world be, you know, openly flippant about them? And
I think for you know, us as an audience or whatever,
this as a as a scenario and a judgment of
like who's right, who's wrong, whatever, it's not really about that.
It's not really even a beef based on the situation
how And it's almost like this is just a cresting

(18:03):
of some in built perspectives that we maybe have and
certain biases that we maybe have. And I say this
with the again the asterisk that I have a history
of being a bullet of by Valentine fan I like
a bunch of their records. I know that you two
hear Sama, Mark, Like that's also true, maybe even more
true than my cell phone. I don't even necessarily have
like an in built dislike towards Matt Tuck because I've

(18:25):
never met the guy. Right, Like, if we met and
he was nice and he was cool, then grand, you know,
I wouldn't be rude toward him. I wouldn't be dismiss
himwards him anything like that. But no one thinks Matt
Tuck is cool, right, Like it's just one of those
things that the past fifteen years at least have kind
of put in that when you think about who are
the people in the rock world who have this aura

(18:47):
about them of being you know, cool and carrying themselves
in such a way that would endear that in the
way that maybe Trivium have. People don't think about Matt
Tucky in that way, right, And this news come out
and everybody going like, oh, you know, some Matt Tuck's
being a deva again with no hint of surprise is
kind of the story here.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
It genuinely felt like it's kind of said, this felt
like the inevitable outcome of this tour was eventually Matt
Tuck was gonna die out over something.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
And again we.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Don't know the exact again they said, because they want
to go and do a new album, Like we don't know,
there's sort of the exactly else.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
But it just was like, yeah, it's a shame.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
But I was like, I'm not surprised because again I've
not met the guy. I know people have and I've
heard he is a bit of a diva, and so
like when it all just came out, and again I've
not even seen the comment alleging it was his fart
or anything at that point. Yet I just saw bullet
from a Valentine troon falling out points sanity tour done.
I was like, well, Matt Tuck's had a moment and

(19:47):
that's that because it's just because of what his reputation
he's built up over the last sort of decade plus
as now lent to and then when I lived with this,
I was like, yep, no, this is all making perfect sense.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
From one was he's the world's least fragile man.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
I mean, yeah, in terms of what could have gone
on here. That said, they say they want to go
and make a record, right, but there's a difference again
between like, oh, we know we're going to go and
make a record after the end of the huge cycle
that we promised everyone we're gonna do and cutting the
thing short. And it's that I think that again, whether
it's right or wrong, I'm not gonna speculate, but people
have gone they're tired of doing this particular tour, right,

(20:27):
That's what it looks like from the outside. They are tired,
and then people jump to oh they're again right, maybe
people's ill and built biases or whatever coming through, but
you know, they're getting tired of being like kind of
bodied by trivium night after night. Whatever it is. They're getting,
you know, tired of doing the nostalgia thing. They're like,
you know, half a year into this tour of doing

(20:48):
the nostalgia thing, maybe they've got on board of it, right,
And if that is a factor, I to some degree
have some kind of like understanding that, Like, you know,
maybe you do get five months into doing a tour
of playing the same album over and over again, and
you know, probably getting audiences and responses that are larger
than the stuff that you have been doing recently for

(21:09):
the kind of newer material, and maybe that does impact
your your your enjoyment of what you're doing to some degree.
And you know, I'm sympathetic to the idea of just
like it's again, it's a long fucking tour, right, they
promised like a year's worth of tour, and that's a
long time to be on the road away from home
or whatever, or you know, getting inspiration for new music
at the right time, whatever it might be. But as said,

(21:29):
my mind goes back to that fucking press conference where
then being like, we are going to go everywhere. It's
going to be where they specify January to December. We
are going to be doing this.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
We are covering one of the biggest tours of the year.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, we're going to be covering like every major continent.
We've done the UK and Europe in that, but we will
be getting to you know, Asia and South America and Australia.
And the kind of pulling of the plug on that
it just makes them look a little ungracious and a
little uncol doesn't it. To me?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
It was like Insecure is kind of like the vibe
I was just getting of.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Like again we don't know was it the signers of
the salgia, but it just felt like you'd made these plans,
you knew this was going to be a thing. You
knew you were getting into this for the long haul,
Like don't do these press conferences and kind of like
big hype up things if you if you know, you're
like not going to commit to this. And again like
for me, it does come back to me, this is
a co headline tour. This is like not just their

(22:25):
own band. They're kind of doing like this was being
selled as the two bands, the two albums, the moment
you like pull out from that, like the venues that
are being booked are with you know, these two bands
these times in mind, Trivia aren't going to weren't going
to be doing you know, the Oto Arena by themselves
and even on Ascendency. And again I imagine that goes for
all the venues they've probably lined up around the world.

(22:47):
So when you pull the plot on that, the whole
thing has to come apart, because there's no way Trivium
can just kind of carry on with what's like being
lined up as just the Ascendency tour.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, And it's like the two bands, one of them
has been more reliant on nostalgia than the other one.
And so it's interesting that the band who you would
say that is true for are the one who kind
of get tired and bail on it in a way
that again, when we spoke about the tour when it
came through the UK, we were talking about how Bullet

(23:18):
almost did it entire like just aesthetically from a shows
down point. They didn't entirely necessarily commit to like the
Poison in the way that Trivium wholeheartedly committed to ascendency,
and there is that thing of like Trivium can go
back and do the nostalgia thing because they know they
can then go back to being relevant straight away, like
right afterwards. Right whereas Bullet you know, looked very slightly

(23:42):
embarrassed embarrassed about it or whatever, Trivium have relished it
in a different sort of way. And when there was
the following the you know, the news, it was like
the two bands have unfollowed each other on social media
and stuff. It's like that is mark again, like the
peak like bitchy goss thing, which we don't normally do,
but it's what this particular story seems to kind of
like endeavor.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
Yeah, like oh no, they're professional like business accounts. It's
so funny, like yeah, it's so messy just to go
back to an earlier point like sort of our own
biases and whatever. The sort of perception that Trivium moremnches.

(24:21):
Maybe it was like a bullet bit of more than
they could chew, because it feels like Trivium's work ethic,
they're a lot more committed to doing a lot more
and maybe Bullet weren't used to that.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, maybe that's a factor. And I will say just
to bring this to you know, the last place we're
at with it, which is Matt Hafey made a kind
of statement video himself basically saying everyone calm down right,
like there is no beef we have. You know, we
are a great lover, kind of great love and respect
for Bullet of Valentine and we even if you know

(24:56):
they want to go and make off their record whatever,
we respect that decision. We are going to continue. So
Trivium have said that if you are in you know,
Australia or Japan for example, they are committed to doing
this ascendency tour and bringing it with you and they
will you bring along different bands or whatever. But there
is something I noticed in that video and like if
by you know, any chance Matt Hafey was to hear
this and say that's not what I meant. I you know,

(25:18):
I don't, uh, I don't. I was not trying to
put out what you have kind of taken from that there,
then by all means I would walk it back. But
about two or three times in that video where Matt
Hayfey is speaking about the kind of trying to quash
the beef, and he says, you know, don't let the
press take this out of control, which I understand, like
I am, I am the problem here. I get it.

(25:38):
But about two or three times he mentions the Trivian crew,
and he's he labors a bit. He's like, I will
always look out for and respect the interests of the
Trivian crew, their finances, their families, whatever we like. They
are the people who are first in my mind and
my utmost priority at all times is making sure the
Trivian crew are well looked after. And when it comes

(26:00):
into a year's touring livelihood that was planned out with
as you say, venues and packages and stuff in mind
that came from these two bands working together. I feel
like there are some subliminals going there, right, Like I
feel like there are some maybe not so subtle allusions
to like, yep, I'm going to be the gentleman and
I'm going to quash the beefit and I'm gonna, you know,

(26:20):
let Bullet do their own thing or whatever. But just
so everybody knows the Trivium crew and the the you know,
the financial security of all the people who are under
my care as the you know, the kind of the
person in the band here They're the people I'm fucking
worried about, and I'm gonna do everything I can I
can to look after them when well, at my Valentine

(26:41):
here are placing them in, you know, a more difficult
financial position than they were a few months ago when
this whole thing was being planned out.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
I absolutely I picked up on that whole Trivium crew stuff.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
And again I think that is the kind of thing
he is emphasizing, and that's like he is a far
more gracious man than I could be in this situation,
like if I'd had again. He is, you know, the
figurehead of Trivium, so he probably does feel some degree
of responsibility for every other person involved in the Trivium
live experience from their like.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Crew, all of that like that.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
So he probably does feel and give responsibility, and he
probably feels it's his job to make sure that they can,
as you say, carry on with a year's work, where
like they had a years that they knew they had
twenty twenty five was laid out. It was gonna be
this big, like cushy tour where they were gonna go
all over the world and get paid probably more than
they would get from most of the tours because of
the the way this tour is going to like break

(27:36):
records for the bands, lah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
And now it's not and he and I.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Think he's probably gonna put the like he doesn't don't
matter about him, He doesn't feel like personally slighted by
Matt Tuck's ego diva moment or like whatever labor. I
don't think he actually does feel personally bothered by it,
but he's now just feeling that like people who are
maybe he feels he might be dependent on him for

(28:00):
their for their work, having screwed over, and he's gonna,
you know, he wants to make that point cu that
this is like them being fucked over, not him almost,
And I think that's totally fair.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, And then Paulo was doing the stirring thing up
thing of saying that there was going to be a
surprise Trivium song released the morning that this news came out,
and they were talking whether that's true or not, God
fucking knows. Again, I'm curious, considering the way Matt Hathey
made that very gracious statement, I'm curious again what was
going on with that social media comment where the Trivium
account was like he doesn't care about us. It's like,

(28:31):
was that some I don't know, some some social media
guy who went a bit out of hand and then
got told like, okay, no rein it in Or was
it just like Matt woke up feeling really pissed off
and then went, oh no, I should have been nicer
than that. But it's that's the very funny little I
don't know stray. It looks tidy if it on Trivia's part,
if it wasn't for that little like fuck you. But

(28:51):
there you go. No, don't blame at all. Go and
see Trivian playing ascendancy when they bring it to your
part of the world. Show will be great. And Bullet,
I've gotta say, their next album, they are inviting like
it what you know, whatever the conversation would have been
about the next Bullet album, The only thing that people
are gonna think of now when that next Bullet abum

(29:13):
arrives is like, so this is what you canned off
that half a year of poison touring for this bad
to be good. So they may have lightened their bed
kind of at this point in time, but there you go.
That's the Trivium Bullet of my drama, bull of my drama,
Bullet of Valentine. It's better what they said in their
statements when they wrote Bullet for Valentine, wasn't it but

(29:36):
the bullet for my Valentine trivium drama that they would
have you believe is not drama. But you know it
is there for those with eyes to see. All right,
let's move on to less juicy but still good stuff.
I guess I just want to shout out or acknowledge
the thing that everyone's been talking about, which is Turnstiles. Yeah,
the enormous show that they played a big hometown show

(29:56):
in Baltimore this past week. They gave live debuts to
you know, those new singles that have been coming out
from their upcoming album. But they played an enormous free
show in like a park or something in Baltimore. The
only thing that they encourage was for people who attended
was if they wanted to donate to healthcare for the homeless.

(30:19):
So it was it's it's a properly hardcore affairs. What
I'll say about this, considering Turnstile. They want of those
bound to be going, oh are they hark or anymore?
Are they whatever you watch this and the entire show
is available to you on YouTube. In the most like
nineteen ninety four, someone's got a camcorder, which does just
make it cooler. I don't know why. It just it's

(30:39):
somehow it almost like it it removes all the digital
bullshit that we think about being in the world today,
and you can pretend like that I don't know that
the amazing things are happening now. They almost come through
this filter of like history in a way. But there's
no way in the world you complain about this, can you?

(30:59):
It's just great.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
I mean people still have But here's the thing, like again,
this was the magic moment for me.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
I was like everone kind of been like, oh, I'm
not sure about that. New turns of song have they?
You know? Is the magic blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
First show they played back and it is this like
biblical hardcore show in a park where again there's just
you're watching because most of it is firs from like
it's like coming to like a little platform being in
the middle of the park and they are just people
everywhere as far as you can see, and the bodies
do not stop flying. They're on a slow part and
people are front flipping off the stage. There are kids
who are like getting up on stage and getting their

(31:29):
first sort of stage dives in Like the whole thing
is just kind of like this is why I get
like I think Turnstar a generational band.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
I think I have for the last few years.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
And you watch shows this and you're like it's maybe
you know, up there with that first half Heart reunion
show from like twenty eighteen where they were just had
this like again ten thousand people interested to.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Know what the numbers were in regards to you know,
attendant numbers there. But it's the point that I saw
her on Instagram like a really fucking cool like kind
of cartoony pop party like fan art of just this
show and like the outfits they're wearing stuff, and it's
like this is immediately, I don't know, there's something about
this show that just has immediately cemented itself as like
something of the moment.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
The visual of like just them in the park, the
cleanest front flips you've ever seen off the stage, like
the constant like swarm of bodies terms of they have
an image now that you just look at them and
then they look like a cool band. Everything about how
they carry themselves again, never enough hearing that live and
again that that big guitar, like ringing through life. Like yeah, again,

(32:29):
they're still a fucking hard It's what I've said about
Scale is that, like ms might change, but you can't
take that hardcore out of them in their performance, in
the energy of what they do, and it's just what
makes them just electroning to watch. And I'm very excited
to see something similar in a month's time.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Yeah, I think a livonder a rock. I knew nothing
about this until today and I watched it today and
it's so fucking exciting, Like it just yeah, I don't know,
really cheered me up. Basically. I love the old camcorder
sort of feel. It made me feel nostalgic for something
that was like three days ago.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
It's magical something that is ongoing and we can all
appreciate it. So yeah, just if you haven't watched that
on YouTube yet, it's all available, you should go and
do it and maybe it will cheer you up as well.
This is interesting. Nine inch Nails. We're doing some teasing
this week and it's turned out to be I don't
necessarily know what their role in it is. The way
that they were teasing, it implies that they're somehow behind
the curation of it or something, but I don't actually know.

(33:29):
But the Future Ruins Music Festival that's occurring in Los
Angeles on November the eighth, which is a festival entirely
four performances of film scores, So it's not actually Nine
Inch Nails that's performing. It's Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross
doing you know, I don't know, maybe a mixed set
of his social network and I mean if they played

(33:51):
that fucking you know yeah, yeah, yeah, from Challengers, it
will be yea tops off everything. But elsewhere on this
you've got John Carpenter play. You've got Kyle Dixon and
Michael Stein. Who are the guys who with the Stranger
Things score? I think Danny Elfman's there, of course, because
he's always be around it stuff like this, the one
that jumped out to me. So you've got Goblin, right,
who again.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Think that was one of them?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, I've seen Goblin many times. But it's nice see
them appearing here as well as on like you know,
the extreme metal bills in the undergl where they've lived
for the past however many years. But also Howard Sure
performing the score to David Cronenberg's Crash. Right, Howard Sure,
the guy who did the Lord of the Rings, you know,
scores arguably the greatest, I would say the greatest, like

(34:33):
you know, big blockbuster Hollywood film score.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Ever, but he also did all this freaky David Cronenberg stuff,
and I love that he's probably done many concerts doing
you know, his the fucking Rohan themes or whatever. But
instead Crash, which is also a hell of a score,
really weird, really slinky, really eerie. Half of it sounds
like the weird, jazzy, clean guitar that you get on
the Sugar in Cynic Records and stuff.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Like.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
I love that they've gone, let's get him to do
that alongside Goblin.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
That's when I was like, that's that.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
That's a really good I saw that Howard Seawan and
I was like, oh, yeah, of course, I was like
score of David Cronabus.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Fuck, yeah, that's fucking cool.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
But again, I know, think if they're all kind of
going to lean into their kind of like darker scores,
do you mean when you look at when you've got
Goblin and like Carpenter, like they're the other's ones resident Ross.
Like again, there's a lot of names that I probably
not a lot of scores I can't immediately put to
a name, but I think, like, just like I.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Say, a film, like a music festival interns of the
film scores.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
I think it's a really cool idea and I think
it's like if not it times i've kind of been
like vibes, win, correnders and get on the ground. I
think that that just another sort of elements them just
being one of the coolest bands around.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Yeah, this just looks cool as fuck. Is Mark Mothersbow
one of them that's on it? Is that Mark Mothersbow
recently of a Minecraft movie theme, so, you know, capitalizing
on Chicken Jackie.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
I can't believe we managed to get Chicken Jockey into
the what I thought was a very cool event, but
it still does look cool. Yeah, I mean obviously if
that wasn't in Los Angeles, if it was closer to home,
you know, it'd be a good day out. Let's move
on to Lard Dispute. Are only new music this week
that we're going to touch on, but Lard Dispute ever
released not one new song, but what they describe as
kind of the first act of their new record with

(36:18):
three new songs from their album that will be coming
up later this year September the fifth. It's called No
One Was Driving the Car And there are three songs
as said, I shaved my head man with Hands and Ankles,
Bound and Auto Fiction Detail Sam New Loud Dispute songs.
You're gonna have thoughts on them.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, I'm always gonna be excited about Lovesuit. They're a band,
you know, they they take time with their records. They
saw fill the time between We're doing all kinds of
like weird artsy soundscaping nonsense that I kind of just
be like, yep, cool, keep doing that until you give
it to a new album. I was kind of surprised
when a hit play on this. This is the first
sort of major shifting sound that lovespe have made in

(36:59):
quite some time. Like it's still like because of those vocals,
You're never not gonna mistake it for anyone else. It's
always gonna be ladispute because you know who else is
gonna do vocal even like again, other similar bands, they're
not gonna quite.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Do the lovespet vok being.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
But what it is is you know in the past
they've always been quite a sort of like wiry newly
sort of banned. Here this is kind of like the
first strong This it's cat this kind of like big, fudding,
kind of fuzzed up bass sound, and there's a kind
of like dirtier, dirtier like full band kind of like
rock sound to it, which is like, well like sort
of like garage rock kind of laudispute, which is really

(37:34):
quite cool. And I'm really into this kind of direction
because I love the last album, I love Rooms, I
love like all the Ladsbeet albums, but I think it's nice.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
To't see them kind of go. We're gonna keep you know,
recognizable us, but we're gonna just tweak the formula a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
So it does long term fans are gonna hear something
that maybe they weren't necessarily expecting.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
And I think this sounds really cool so far.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, Mark, You're known to weep and wail like a
little injured lamb from time to time.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
New Lardespute loudest Bee are interesting to me because, like
over a decade ago, I would have told you Wildlife
was a masterpiece albums ever doing with it now I've
grown up. My eyes can't handle. I do appreciate that
on these new songs he's a lot less yelpie, and

(38:22):
like you say, there is sort of a general thickness
and more of a rock instrumentation to it, which is appreciated.
It's still I don't know. It just does nothing for
me anymore.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
It's interesting. I wasn't listening to three new Loudest Bat
songs that you but there is the album. Don't worry,
especially if the album not listen right now, but there
you go. September the fifth, the new Largest album, will
be out, and Sam says it's good. There's also another
album coming out in September from Castle Rat, who have
got their second album. We reviewed their first one last
year and they've got their second album coming out on

(38:57):
September the nineteenth. It's called the Best Castle Rat Lady
riding a Unicorn on the cover, which is pretty pretty
metal if you ask me. But I think they're doing
like a European festival run throughout the summer and then
we're getting that afterwards. So if you like the Castle
album last year, you won't have to wait very long
for more of that. Jim Root has been quoted in

(39:17):
the news this week talking about new slip Not. It
has actually been three years now since the end so far,
if you can believe where that time has gone. But
he has said essentially that Slipknot over the course of
the COVID pandemic, which I guess you could characterize the
end so far as coming out towards sort of the
latter stages of the general period of time which we

(39:39):
would generally sort of label as like the pandemic, right
like twenty to you know, twenty two ish, and so
most that record would have been obviously written during the
kind of pandemic and stuff, And he said they wrote
loads of music during the pandemic, and they could theoretically,
you know, go and fortun new record and stuff from that,
but he says that they would rather at this point
just kind of like delete it all and start afresh,

(40:01):
which is maybe an interesting sort of look into the
mindset where slipmot are right now creatively, where I mean,
we were more positive on the end so far than
I think a lot of people out there. I never
thought it was the best Slipnock record, but I thought
there was interesting, you know, creative decisions and kind of
detours and stuff and kind of wizening of the net

(40:21):
to a degree is along with just some kind of
good old fashioned slipknot you know, banger stuff on that record.
But I think it's probably fair to say it is
the least fan fairest slip album has ever gotten. Like
even the ones that were sort of less liked before,
they still felt like huge kind of you know, festival headlining,
whatever events, whereas this is the first time I slipt.

(40:41):
My album publicly is almost just kind of squeaked out,
And there is maybe a sense with this quote from
Jim about the again almost just wanted to kind of
like put that whole period creatively behind them and sort
of press a refresh button. That that's how they feel,
right that that's how kind of that COVID period was

(41:02):
a kind of okay, that was us then, but we
need to, you know, if we're going to be kind
of a healthier band, we need to sort of just
put a rug over that.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Yeah, I mean, so the thing always sums up for
me is how quickly, like obviously that was like a
really kind of like weird period of the band and
then suddenly it was like debut album where we're on that,
we're on the nostalgia pop and everyone's back on board,
and it kind of just felt like that that's when
it was the first or I was like, oh, they're
they're kind of just going to brush aside the end.
So far, it's kind of going to be the sort
of the lost Black Sheep slip on the album and

(41:32):
if they've kind of got other music so that they
had on the back burner and they're just going to
go like, yeah, this isn't going to see the light
of day. I think I just I just say they're
just sort of drawing a line under that sort of
how many years for the band, and it is kind
of just looking like a fresh start.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
And maybe that has.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Been again spurred on by the sort of reconnecting with
the debut album. It's kind of sort of said to them,
let's go back to sort of basics and go back
to the beginning almost And.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
In fact, they brought Eloy in as well, like there's
new you know, there's new, new, new juice is going
on there. So I wouldn't expect new slipknot anytime soon.
But if we do get it, I think the theory
is it would be quite different to what kind of
had last time out and last bit of neutrom Us
is Black Braid have announced a hell of a black
metal tour for people over in the US. Obviously Blackbird

(42:17):
are a US band, but they are going on their
first headline tour of the country and they are bringing
along Lamp of Murmur and Duds read as the support bands,
who are two of If you mainly know Black Braid
and you've not delved, kind of maybe do some some
other black metal bands, two of the best black metal
bands in the world right now at this exact point

(42:38):
in time in twenty twenty five, Like they could not
pick two better bands to kind of go along on
that with them, to the point that, like, I've seen
Blackbraid twice and I think they're a really good band,
and I've enjoyed watching them live, but they need to
be on their a game if they're going to match
those openers. I haven't seen Dodds ready yet, but I
will in a few weeks time at Fortress, and I
trust that they're very good if it's as good as
their records are, and Lab of Murmur are just fucking fantastic,

(43:00):
because you know, we discussed on last week's show. So
if you like black metal, or maybe if you like
Black Braid and you don't know a lot about other
black metal, but you'd be interested in going on to
this tour in the US. I think this could be
a really good black metal tour to immerse yourself in.
It looks like a hell of a time. So that'll
be coming through the US in September and October of
this year. Let's move on to let's bring some questions

(43:21):
in on this and we're going to start with one
from Caroline Marie and it is a subject of question.
I like, it's a nice merch question. I like when
we get to discuss the nerderies of merch. And so
Caraeni Marie asks, have band shirts become too much for me?
The four sided long sleeve shirt is too loud nowadays,
I'm finding myself preferring a classic small logo front, big

(43:43):
design on the back. Thing we have, I don't know,
various merch design opinions. What's your response to this question.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
I mean, the four sided long sleeve is the superior
merch It's the best merch design. Like the foresaid long sleeve,
it is my I go if I see that as
a merch stand, That's what I'm drawn to.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
I love a for sided long stave.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
I know you're not a fan of the small logo, Yeah,
big logo back.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
I think it can look really cool sometimes. I do think,
you know, we're at such a stage where it became
such a sort of like boring minimalist metalcore sort of
slop sort of design for that which always were having.
Evon got a bit sick of it when all of
the bands were doing it and they just looked really boring.
Loud merch designs will either look terrible or just look

(44:32):
like the sickest thing ever. There's no middle ground, Like
you're like, it's ever gonna just be cringe nonsense, or
you're kind of gonna be like that's so loud and
so brash and show on your face that you have
to have it. And for me, I do love a
like really cool if they can pull off the big
Greeby Skelington's and Fire and Demons and all that and

(44:54):
like make it look like cool somehow.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
That again perfect merch design.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
I don't even need it to be cool. I love
all that ship two thousand and nine Metal coreon Monster Ship.
I like, I like metal, so I like stupid things
just by default. Yeah, it's metal, it's supposed to be stupid.
I feel like, I don't know, I get it because
the fact that it's allowed is almost the point, So

(45:23):
I get not really being into that. But there are
instances like where I wish a shirt didn't have sort
of a back piece, like one hundred percent of Cradle
of Filth shirts.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Wound from the other week, which did you see not
seeing the new Nemosdium shirt design. Let's just say, I
guess his heart is in the right place, but it's
a hell of a thing to put He's not wrong,
but wow, but like, yeah, I mean, I uh in
what you're saying market we are is like, you know,
the two thousand and nine me On stuff, Like we're

(45:59):
not in the era of T shirts right, like like
I miss it. I mean, I I would pro I
think we're in a quite a happy place at the
moment where I feel like the the you know, the
geometric shape thing has slightly you know, expired, it's gone
past it cell by date. But I do I would
say that again, the you know, two thousand and eight

(46:20):
Green Neon thing right that that would be too loud
for me personally. I do see shirts where I go
that's a bit much, not even just in again, like
what we're saying about the you know, cratle fil shirts
or whatever. It's like something that you openly maybe would
not want on a shirt, but just sort of like
overly loud designs, I guess is what we're talking about here.
I'm quite picky about horror movie shirts is my thing

(46:40):
where I'm like that, like if you've got a horror
movie poster, I do quite like to have the art.
But when you see these places do horror movie shirts
and they have like the entire fucking like there's about
eight different quotes from the movie, or like the sleeves
and the breast pocket and like the bottom is, it's
it's a bit of a mess.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
I do.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
I do quite like having a maybe a cent image
to focus on that draws the eye. I suppose you
are correct. I do not personally like the like small,
you know, breast pocket print design or something on the
back because to me that just means that there's a
T shirt with loads of empty space on it. It's
like if I'm paying fucking thirty quid for a T shirt.
I don't want a black T shirt with a little

(47:19):
name in the corner, like that's that's nonsense to me.
But I do like I like a happy medium of
like you know, a T shirt that has a sort
of central design. I do like the four sided long sleeve.
I am at a point where I've like, I've actually
got so many long sleeves that I realize that a
load of my favorite shirts I can't wear in summer
and the world is getting warmer and currently where we're

(47:41):
entering sweaty season, and I'm out of stage right now,
where like I'm trying to actually when I buy shirts,
maybe go for more short sleeves, just because I have
so many fucking long sleeves that it's not practical to
have more long sleeves. But I do, particularly if it's
some cool like underground Death or black metal band with
some gnarly shit on the sleeves, I do like the
four sided long sleeve.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Yeah, if it has a like skulls down the sleeve
or something, I'm always gonna like that. And to go
back to what you're saying about movie shirts, I'm right
now just looking at I have a seven David Fincher's
seven long sleeve that has like four brad pits faces.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
I know, like stuff like that. It's like Jesus cried,
pick pick one, calm down. But like, yeah, I say, obviously,
it all comes down to your own personal taste, doesn't it.
If you just like wearing a little you know, breastprint
thing and you don't like have something that's with the
four sided long seats, and that's that's perfectly fine. You
don't have to rock them. But I think at the
moment were actually quite a good era for merch, Like, yeah,

(48:36):
I agree the Imperial Triumphant like fucking like Dark Souls
Bloodborne like shirt that they put out a while ago,
with the like the health bars on it and the
giant monster that they've all got the Imperial Trumport mask
on that. That's a's a peak shirt design, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Like it's it's crazy. That's the right level of loud.
That's just all of the loudness you want.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Absolutely, So there's our two cents on that particular question.
Stephen Shaw asks, has a band's gimmick ever put you
off listening from them at first? I remember finding sluggage
funny for a distance with their mollusk parody song titles
before finally checking out the music and realizing how good
they were. Yah Sluggajar a pretty good band. This is
a question, so I can go, Sam, every band you've
ever seen in your life, even the ones that don't

(49:18):
have gimmicks. You go, this is a gimmick. I don't
trust them.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
You you have taken the Nightfly office some thing. So
personally they are my doughty answer. They are a gimmick.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Back them Electric cor Boy. They are gimmick bands. They
have shiit gimmicks, music that can be fun. The one
for me, I was gonna I was like Twilight fourth
one where I kind of looked at their album covers,
the way they dressed. I was like, this band is
gonna be fucking one of the worst bands ever.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
You're a Disney adult, like for Disney adults anyway.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Saying like like it looked cheap, it looked nath And
then it's just the songs are huge, fair enough, but
the thing is there are there are just so every
time I see a new kind of like, oh this
is a like Star Wars feme.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Metal band, or I'm just like, no, they're all just shit.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Like anytime I'm if I'm kind of seeing something something
like put before the music, I'm not interested. I will
ride it off until like and again. Sometimes you know,
like eicelind Kills, they're a gimmick band that's all kind
of lined up for me that I do actually, you know,
kind of on board of it. I got part of

(50:30):
them being ship before I got part of them gimmick,
and then they got good, Like when they got more gimmicky,
they got good. So maybe gimmicks can be good. But yeah,
there's probably loads of bands where I'm just gonna looked
at and gone, Nope, I just ain't got time for you.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
You're wearing a silly costume.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Any folk metal band where they're just as fucking trolls,
any of that sort of shit like that. Any any band,
whether someone just as a goblin or an orc or
a minetor any kind of fancy creature, probably gonna be
a bit shit.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Yeah. I think I have very good makes sense, and
that I can. I'm quite good at telling before actually
diving too deep. When one is like, you know, very
close a gimmick in the way that I would put it,
which is that it is prioritized above the music that
is the thing for me, versus a legitimate band who
maybe have like a silly mythos or something. So for

(51:19):
example that you know your your eyes and ears are
less trained, I would say you see less of a
difference between fintroll and neck Regoblicon than I do. I
same thing I see in nick Regblicon, a legitimate gimmick
band where they were just a pretty like a nothing
band where they had a goblin versus Fintroll, who are
a great band who have everything kind of tied into

(51:41):
the presentation of what they do. And that is a
difference there for me. And because of that, again, I'm
quite good at like telling just from kind of a
distance and how that presentation works when something is tied
in like that versus when it is more superficial an
ill for out. And I can kind of tell when
bands have got I don't know, good teen with their
gimmicks like a a ghost or something where you go like, yeah, cool,

(52:04):
that works, like I would. There are lots of people
that go, I the thing back in the early days
with Ghost when they came through with people going like
that they should be way heavier, right that the gimmick
and the presentation doesn't match up with this kind of
poppy band that I'm hearing, But that to me always
registers as a kind of like again, a sort of
an untrained iron ear because they're so clearly drawing on
the history of nineteen seventies and eighties kind of horror

(52:26):
rock that it was always perfectly completely made sense to me,
versus I don't know. I look at about like Avatar
and everything just all we're a carnival, and I go,
that's clearly a band with less refined taste in what
they're doing, And that's kind of where how was.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
That band you posted in the Oh God discord?

Speaker 1 (52:44):
I don't even want to shout them about red now
cause that feels like punching down a tidy band. But
there was a UK band that I found hysterical this
last week.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
That's a sort of shit that you look at and
go like, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
They've got a naugh gimmick like any sort of bad
like theatrical or something, And then in their sort of
Spotify bio, I'm always just like, you're probably gonna be
a bit shit, aren't You're not?

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Actually theatrical?

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah? Mark you're you're more maybe aligned with me, even
more so kind of being down for a silly time.
So I feel like I can't imagine many bands where
you've seen the thing and gone no, I want nothing
to do with that. It would normally invite you in No, like.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
You I whenever I see like a gimmick or whatever
and go no, that looke shit, It's always a shit
band have been like, oh, actually locally docally rip.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Yeah, I'm almost the opposite of this question, where like
there's bands like Gravedigger where I heard there's this heavy
metal band where all the songs are about Scotland and
Scotland mythology and I wish I liked the music. Like,
there's no scenario where I would see a band like
Twilight Force and not go I want to like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Again one example, I'm not saying this just to kind
of I hate on sleep Token again because this isn't
actually to do with them so much as to do
with the press. But again, part of the I can
sort of there's a certain vibe the way magazines or
whatever we'll talk about some of these bands, which almost
feels like it's trying to inflate something a bit so

(54:16):
when sleep Token were very first coming through on the
first album right again before they were like, you know, massive,
and everyone knew who they were, and the press was
always be this like like, oh, we've received a secret
message from the masked entity known only as sleep Token,
and that in a again, it's not to actually do
with sleep Token and their how they were presenting themselves.
It's to do with how the press were engaging with
it in a way that spoke to me as almost

(54:38):
like sucking up to it a bit, you know, and
trying to inflate something that wasn't there. And that is
maybe actually my closest answer to the question here of
like a particular presentation of something that made me suspicious
of it before i'd actually heard the music.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
As a really good result of that is I think
they've releasing their first song tomorrow. But President or whatever
they're called, right, everything about the presentation of that or that,
I'm like, I'm I haven't they haven't listened a song yet.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
I'm telling you that it's gonna be it.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
It's a bit, isn't it. I'm telling you with.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Full confidence, this President thing is gonna be fucking It's
like the sleep Token Ice Man Fetus Hybrid.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
And it's gonna be terrible.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
And then about it, because it's that same thing you
said with the press kind of sucking up to it
and they're like, who are the mysterious President and.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
All that, and he's wearing like it just looks awful.
It's a shit gimmick.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
The music's gonna suck, and I'm sure when the song'st tomorrow,
I'll get to like gloats about being right.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Well, I mean, maybe you'll be completely wrong, but it
will be the presentation that has kind of made you
feel that way because I you know, I don't think
i'll be wrong. Well no, but I'm just saying theoretically
you could be, but you are this way because of
how it has been kind of sold. And yeah, and
just going back to again, the kind of spotting a
good one and a bad one, right, something like that
does make me suspicious. But like Horny Werewolf Priest power

(55:58):
metal or you know, like you know, Slugs Mollus cosmic
death metal, which is what sluggish do. I can see
how that works. Airliner yacht rock. I think that's a
gimmick that makes sense. It works for them. The songs
are great. I'm down with that in a way that
I am slightly more resistant to that particular phenomenon that
we've just described.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
One that's sort of similar to the question that I've
just thought of is when I first learned of the Ocean,
and I didn't listen to them for a lot while
because I was like, I don't want to look at
those words. I'm not reading all that oh right, stupid
words and issues, and I don't know what this is
for me. I'm not a fucking nerd.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Yeah, you don't know all about the ocean and it's many,
many layers. Yeah, fair enough, right, And finally Paul Terry asked,
this is a question that was asked a little while
ago when we'd recently completed our Sabbath special. But I've
sat on it for a while and I've dug it
out here following the excellent discussion of eighties lost Sabbath classics.
So we were talking about albums like Headless, Cross and
Tear and so on. What are other lost eighties classic

(56:59):
metal albums? Mark? This is a subject that you and
I have I hand over to you too, because like
the you and I and I bet Elliott as well.
But you and I we spend a lot of our
own time just being like, oh, I remember that one.
That's great, So what are your favorites?

Speaker 4 (57:15):
I mean, my immediate thought was caught in the Act
by Satan.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
I knew it would be, which because you're fucking.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Right, that record is just so like it rips. It's
so not that it's like heavy heavy, but it's quite savage.
For in the Warbom album.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Yeah, and I feel.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Like it's radically and aggressive.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
Yeah, And the riffs are so spidery and like extreme
in context. It's just a really rollicking album and I
think more people would really get on with it if
they knew about it.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Yeah, And even just on the Satan thing, if you
listen to Court in the Act went, oh, this is
a bit kind of rough early eighties for me. Then
you go listen to Life Sentence right the Comeback album,
and it's like, oh, yeah, this is the thing done
perfectly with great production or whatever. That. There are so
many albums I could say, and again it depends on
how we define, you know, how high, because are we
talking lost to people who generally like and know a

(58:08):
fair bit about like eighties heavy metal, or are we
talking about You know, there are so many albums that
maybe to your average metal fan today, they haven't gone
back and heard, you know, some of these quite seminal
albums from the eighties. It's like, how many people really
listen to The Scorpions anymore? You know. It's like the
Scorpions are fucking enormous, right, They're head festival, headline in band.

(58:28):
They've got songs that are like, you know, multi however
many million sellers or whatever. But I mean it took
me ages to get into the Scorpions, like longer than
it theoretically should have done. And I feel like they
are a band where like I feel like I've been
mental to say love at First Thing is a lost
metal album, but like there's a lot of people who
probably never heard it, you know, and then you can
go down like you know, the even like the Doo

(58:49):
albums in the eighties that follow Holy Diver right, or
like even like the Last in Line, right, you know
that they are lesser known than the Peak. Everybody knows
Dio stuff. They're great. You could say about saying about
like you know, Twisted Sister, the stuff that's not Stay Hungry.
You know, it's like under the Blade under the Blade
is a fucking me a perfect eighties heavy metal album.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
I was gonna say Love is for Socckers, the fifth
and final Twisted Sister album. I'm not saying this classic.
Hot Love on it is classic, but I love that record,
and it's because it is sort of the album that
killed them. It is definitely a lost album, like no
one's fucking listening to Love is for Soccers other than me.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
But it's great.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
It's just a great, sunny like pop metal album, and
Hot Love is the best song ever.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
You know.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
We did our album Club the other year on Thunder
and Lightning by Thin Lizzie, which is when they made
an eighties heavy metal album, and it's fucking absolutely it's
just like the sickest thing you've ever heard. Yeah, you know,
we've spoken about like Manila Road and those kind of
things which are very classic to a particular cult scene,
but maybe not so own outside of it. Just to

(01:00:02):
throw out some names of other stuff maybe that exists
along those lines. The very first band and album that
popped into my head when I saw this question was
the band Demon and they have got They've got some
albums of the early age, they've got Night of the
Demon and the one that really popped ahead of their album,
The Unexpected Guest, which is just the When I heard

(01:00:22):
that a few years ago, I was like, how has
this album evaded me for all these years? This is
just absolutely outrageously good heavy metal. And they're one of
those things where like there's quite a few bands who
have kind of come they've had a little bit more spotlight,
particularly because Tobias Forge likes them, and they're clear models
for the ghost thing again of that like Spooky seventies again,
the albums that people who looked at Ghosts and went,

(01:00:44):
why aren't you a black metal band? Are not aware of,
which is why the given it makes sense was stuff
like this, but like The Unexpected Guest by Demon that
starts with don't Break the Circle is out of this
world bit maybe again legendary and a cult scene that
you could throw o. Stuff like which find a general
in their first album, even like I'm not even gonna
do my my thing that I usually do when I

(01:01:06):
say this album to you Mark, which is kind of
insists that it's the best one or whatever. But an
album that I think is maybe kind of lost is
the first Deaf Leppard album on Through the Night, which
is just like that's before they turned into like, you know,
Deaf Leopard, Deaf Leopard. It's just a new with a
British heavy metal album. But if you like new Ever
Britch heavy metal, it's great. Yeah, it's decent.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
Yeah, even bands like Panzer Jag you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Oh yeah Jag Pans are ample destruction, great shot.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Jack, Panzo yep. Who Yeah, like the eighties, this is
a hot take. The eighties was good for a heavy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Metal yeah, Agent Steel Skeptics Apocalypse is just a random
one that if you put on, you go, whoa, this
is crazy. I'm a big fan of the Canadian kind
of speed thrash metal band Razor, who they put out
like again like really ratily strange speed metal albums like
Evil Invaders. And then you get to Violent Restitution at
the end of the eighties or maybe the beginning of

(01:01:57):
the nineties that one, but around then and it's like
most brutal thrash metal, like it's just got a chainsaw
on the cover, and Cannibal Corps covered one of the
songs on it, like just like ripping stuff. Again, as
you're saying, the eighties, you know, heavy speed thrash, early
power metal, whatever, like the first Helloween album Walls of Jericho.
People don't talk about in relation to Keep a Seven Keys,
but Walls of Jericho like goes so fucking hard, it's crazy.

(01:02:20):
There's endless stuff from that time that really forms the
foundations that you can just go dig in forever, and
that one that's come around more now because of the
typo stuff. But like Retaliation by Carnivore is just like
so many names there. If you just want to go
and listen to every single one of those names, if
you like heavy metal from the eighties, you'll be having
the best day ever going through all of that stuff.

(01:02:41):
So there's a whole bunch to cap off again our
discussion of Headless Cross and so on, which if you've
not heard those records yet after we did our Sabbath discussion,
then you should do. So that's a very good segue
into briefly speaking about the That's not Met Patreon, where
the last thing that we have done there is myself
and Sam we did an episode of on for t
and Ander's Horror, a horror podcast series on Sinners and

(01:03:04):
the new Until Dawn movie Sinners. We spoke for so long,
including speaking about the score and the drummer who's involved
with it, we managed to completely gloss over the fact
probably it's not actually in the movie, but there's a
fucking Jerry Cantrell song on the soundtrack that we didn't
even get to speaking about. And then I think that
that demands the spotlight. But I had a really funny
time speaking about until Dawn because we just got so

(01:03:25):
confused by the end of it. We were just so like, what.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Genuine like not kind a piece togither, how fucking weird
like in that movie is? And then we would sat
there and try to actually like describe what was happening
in Piece together. It was just like no, wait, wait,
what wait, what what does that mean?

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
But yeah, Sinners like is the event of the year
so far in terms of like films, And they were
so cool to again just really dig into all the
different aspects of all the themes, what everything means, and
just how like fucking cool that movie is and then
just have a good laugh about a very stupid horror
movie afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Good times.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Yeah, one discussion of like a genuine, you know, kind
of cinematic marvel one quite refreshing grounding discussion of just
some stupid what the fuck is going on here? Why
do they do that? So that is available on the
Patreon on the highest tier where all of our horror
podcast episodes go out. Otherwise, we have our Poison the

(01:04:22):
Well special that we are going to finish before the
end of this month, certainly in regards to the band specials,
and then we've got all sorts of stuff planned for
the summer in regards to the music specials in terms
of kind of almost like battles and scene spotlights and
years and all of this kind of stuff that we
got going on over there. So it's a good time
if you want to get involved over at Patriot com
slash that's not metal. Let's end hyperblasts. We're the releases

(01:04:45):
for the sixteenth of May twenty twenty five. We start
with a new album from Berry Tomorrow which is called
will You Haunt Me with that same patience. Then there
is the new Callous Dowboys album which is called I
Don't Want to See You in Heaven, which is too
many words across the two titles, too many words, But
novelists are helping us out with just calling their album
coder I suppose then, so we're quite heavily weighted on

(01:05:09):
the sort of the metalcore and post hardcore stuff this week.
For whatever reason. There's all those. Then there's Ancle Pridion,
who are from I think Estonia and theirs is kind
of like slightly genty in a like you know, I
would say for fans of like Ginger and stuff like
that and vexed them stuff like that. That's sort of
like slightly heavier Gnarlia, vaguely gente in tone, kind of

(01:05:30):
metal core. They're out there a hundredth I got a
new album, Faded Splendor, Sam. I don't remember what hundreds
sound like these days. They've shifted, haven't they.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
I would say, kind of like dream poppy hue Gaze
band at this point, they've been They've been quiet for
a couple of years, so I'm happy to have them
them back. But yeah, hardcore bands turned shoegas band turned
dream pop band.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Like I'm cool, I'm down to what they've got going
on here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Yeah, there's a new album from a band called Arm's Length,
who are a newer band. I think these are kind
of a emos slightly bordering maybe on politic punk. Yeah,
that pop punk that sort of terrain. They're albums called
There's a whole world out there if you just want
some just old school hardcore. Then there is the band
Death before Deshonnor with their album Nowhere Bound. Then there

(01:06:15):
is the kind of post rock post metal band Pelican
Flickering Resonance. Steve ron Till from Neurosis. He's got another
solo album out of kind of dark folky type stuff
called Alone in a World of Wounds. Then we're going
to move into black metal with a man called on
Fot with Dimsvall. There's a band called blood Monolith, which
is Shelby from author who is now also been nailed.

(01:06:38):
He's doing a new kind of death metal type thing,
so that record is called The Calling of Fire. The
long running kind of black death metal band Anthropomorphia releaseding
Devoid of Light. There's another again very kind of like
really sort of old school quite low fi death metal,
cad of a Shrine Into the Horrible Depth. Then again

(01:06:59):
somewhere between death and black metal, Drouth The Teeth of Time.
And then there are two EPs out today that I
want to highlight as well. One is from Full of Hell,
who are quite swiftly follow the last album with an
EP called Broken Sword Rotten Shield, and then maybe not
quite as productive. So it's notable that their back Youth

(01:07:20):
Code are back with their first material in some time,
with an EP called Yours with Malice. That is what
we've got for you this time. Thank you very much
for listening. We will be back. I think we're going
to aim to get the reviews for May out sooner
rather than later. There's obvious some really big albums that
we haven't had the time to actually go and cover yet,
so we really want to get those out before we
sit on them for too much longer. And you know,

(01:07:43):
we'll have some kind of smaller, sort of slightly more
cult picks in there as well, a nice mix as
we always aim to do, but we're going to aim
to get that done pretty shortly. Then. As I mentioned,
we also have the Poison the Well Special that we're
sitting on too. We can get that out as well,
and then some of again, So rejoice everybody, Thank you
very much for being here and listening. Let us know
your takes on everything we have discussed today, everything from

(01:08:05):
the superior merch designs and are four sided long sleeves
good all the way through to what is going on
with bullet from my Valentine and if you're at the
scour shows all of that stuff. So cheers everybody. We'll
be back soon. Have a good week everyone. Bye bye,