Rise of the Digital God pt3: 20 Minutes Into the Future!

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In the dark shadows, in thewhite cold. Fearlessly we search for knowledge
new and old. We drink thestrong spirits and read the ancient tones.
The order of the Abercast. Weare the brave and the bold. The

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Abercast accult, history, conspiracy andviolence. Hey, everybody, welcome to

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the Evercast. I'm your host,doctor John Towers. This evening we are
going to be continue wearing our discussionon AI. So it's my point of
view that over the years we've beentalking about these topics, I have not

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prepared you for AI. I wasnot prepared for this AI business. You
know, we talk about spiritual warfare, and we talk about UH the media,
and we talk about three letter agenciesthat are seeking ways to control your
mind. We're talking about um Westerncivilization. We're talking about philosophy, and

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we're talking about what what Nietzsche meanswhen he says that U don't you know
that God is dead? Not asa way, not as a celebratory statement,
but as a way of saying,well, okay, dipshit, what
are you gonna What are you gonnaput in God's place? So this evening

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we're continuing our series I believe isApple called the Rising of the Digital God.
And last week we talked I bounceda lot of ideas up against UM
a book from nineteen sixty five calleddu written by a guy named Frank Herberton.
M. I feel like this isone of those perfect sort of topics

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to bounce up against UM fiction,right, because so much of science fiction
is is a warning to us inour purest sense. And I'm not talking
about space soap operas like um uh, star Wars. We all know that.

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Um. You know, I loveStar Wars up until pretty recently,
but you know that's not really sciencefiction science. You know, they call
it science fantasy. I guess whatI'm talking about is like the old Star
Trek where you know, there's twodudes, you know, and they're both
half half black and half white,and the one guy hates the other guy

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because he has his left half isblack and the other guy's right half is
black. And you know, it'sa way for us to hold a mirror
up to current events, what's goingon and what the future may hold for
us. So I thought that um, we would start off tonight with that

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seems sort of bit right, SoI'll tell you guys all the time I'm
probably a little bit older than youI grew up. It seems like I'm
touching on a lot of my childhoodfears lately as well, besides living in
the shadow of the doomsday clock andworrying about you know, nuclear armageddon and

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all all of that stuff. Inthe late mid to late eighties, I
became obsessed with Max Headroom, ofall fucking of all things. So you
know, when I, you know, as far as science fiction is concerned,
when we talk about when we talkabout Obamacare and death panels, you

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know, I think about Logan's run. But when we talk about you know,
media controlling our lives, I thinkabout specifically cable media controlling our lives,
or network TV media controlling our lives, or the twenty four hour news

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cycle controlling our lives, I thinkof Max Headroom. When we talk about
um multi billion dollar companies creatively advertisingto you, I think of Bloit Firts
and Max Headroom. And when wetalk about gigantic companies, you know,

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with cameras and microphones built into yourTV, collecting data on you to sell
you for advertising, I think ofMax Headroom. And we talk about TV
censorship and the abuses and uh,you know, maybe even public private partnerships.

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Nowadays, I think of Max headroom. You know, we think of
book burning, maybe we think ofFahrenheit four fifty one. But uh,
you know, now when I thinkof AI, well, I think of
max Hendrome. So keep that inmind, keep that in the back of

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your head as we're going through thisUM, this episode, this evening.
Because I think we're seeing we can'tpossibly see a lot of things. So
before we get too far into this, I do I am equipped, and
I am armed the full authority vestedin me by the abercast Um listeners.

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There. I do have my vesselof the art and it is filled to
the brim, the meniscus, thecohiba with my favorite weapon of mass distraction,
the gingihad. Here. So let'sgo ahead and Chris send this episode
and let's get it started off.UM right, here's to you, Thank

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you everybody. Here's this woman withbow legged women. Okay, so last
episode we did a thing called,uh the overcast Reacts. I kind of
was talking about my love for firstreaction videos that are on YouTube UM and

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how sometimes I just don't believe thepeople that that UM are giving their first
reactions. Uh, specifically UM.And also I mentioned I'm obsessed with them.
I watch them every night. Iprobably watched these things and for some
reason they're all like black folks,UM that that I watched. There's uh,

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I don't I don't want to getI don't want to start name dropping
them, but uh there there's onewhere they're the guys like I didn't even
know Doctor Dre could rap, andI'm like, there's movies about that,
Like what are you even fucking talkingabout? So I feel that sometimes their
quote first reaction unquote is dubious maybeto say the least, but so in

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the same vein as YouTube first reactorvideos. I'm gonna pretend that I've never
seen this video before, and we'regoing to do abrocast reacts. And this
is called I challenged my AI cloneto replace me for twenty four hours.
This is a Wall Street Journal WallStreet Journal writer and she does exactly what

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she says here. I'll probably jumpthrough this. This is like it's like
seven minutes and I don't really careto. Here we go today, We're
going to create an avatar that looksand moves like me. We begin by
smiling into the camera. I loveto smile, smiling, my favorite I

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love breathing gently for a short second, is this what breathing? They're recording
her breathing to make it. Remember, I keep trying to point this out
because I don't know if it's Idon't know if it's known or not.
But these chat GPTs and stuff,they're designed to be duplicitous. They're designed
to fool you. So they're evenhaving this lady like just breathe so they

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can just tape her breathe, Iguess, and then put it on a
loop and an analog so her hermax headroom, which is hilarious. It
looks way better than Max Headroom,well, way more like a real person
than Max Headroom ever looked. Butokay, here we go. I'll watch
this chick breath for a minute ortwo. Here we go. It looks

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like I'm Joanna Stern and I'm excitedto host this video. No, I
am the real Joanna. Okay,so I clone myself kind of howdy?
Why Well, the latest AI toolsthat generate text and images already make it
hard to tell the difference between what'sreal and what's fake. Okay, so

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she just the video just posted thepicture of the Pope in the real block,
and in the AI block they postedthe picture of him with the big,
puffy like down jacket, and it'sapples to apples like that fucking that
could be real and you know,and I'm not totally I don't know,

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like photo manipulation and photoshop and allthat stuff is like my bag baby.
So I mean, it's uh,this thing. If someone would have showed
me that picture of the Pope ina down jet, in that down jacket,
I'd be like, Okay, yeah, I mean he's a communist,
who knows what? What are theguy going on? What's coming next?

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With AI generated voice and video isgoing to blur the lines even more.
So I came up with a challenge, can I replace myself with AI for
the day? Yes. I cameup with four challenges to see if AI
me could sub in for real me, so real me had more time for
me things, or at least that'show I wanted it to go. It's

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a little creeped out that I'm lookingat a frozen Joanna. Okay, let's
do this inlibration. Before we getinto the challenges, let's talk about my
AI avatar, which was made bya startup called Synthasia. I want to
make my avatar at a professional studioin New York. The company recorded me
doing a series of head movements Ifeel like I'm at the eye doctor,

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okay, and reading through a ratherodd pre written script. Positive thinking will
help you believe in yourself and fillyou with self esteem and confidence. After
that, I headed to an audiostudio where I recorded another script for about
an hour. My name is JoannaStern and I hereby consent to this audio
recording to create a custom voice.The company took that all and used it

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as training data and ran it throughtheir AI neural networks. Three weeks later,
Joanna, you don't mind if Icall you Joanna? Do you Okay?
So the voice isn't the best.A tool called eleven Labs produce something
better. After my producer Kenny uploadedtwo hours of my previous recordings. I
am the real Joanna. I amthe real Joanna. I am the real

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Joanna. Both Synthasia and eleven Labswork similarly. Type in anything and AI
Joanna just says it right back.Synthesia as aimed at companies that want to
make internal videos. It charges atleast one thousand dollars to create a custom
avatar. Creating a voice clone witheleven Labs is five dollars a month.
Challenge one phone calls. I happento have a call schedule that day with

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Evan Spiegel, the CEO of Snap. The company recently released my Ai,
a chatbot within the popular app.Hey Evan, it's Joanna. Do you
worry that it's called AI? Allday? We'll stop talking to our real
friends definitely now we've been seeing Ithink that's one of the real benefits of
our sort of testing and learning approachyou so far, I think, if
anything, it's going to become aconversation enhancement. Well, I proved the

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way you know that people communicate withtheir friends and family. Did you think,
by any chance that my question wasgenerated by an AI voice? You
know? No, I mean thatfirst the first word or two was a
little bit of a giveaway, ButI thought maybe you were extra serious today.
Even my own sister was pretty fooledwhen I called her about her dead

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fish. Hey, Jules, Ijust heard about Swimmy Demmy, and I
wanted to let you know how sorryI am for your loss. Did you
think it was me at first,yes, then no, like it sounds
like obviously exactly like you, butjust with the fact that like it doesn't
pause for talking back Challenge one passchallenge to create a TikTok. I asked

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Chatchept to write a TikTok script inthe voice of Joanna Stearn about an obscure
iOS sixteen. The hardest thing wasgetting chatchybt to write the truth. It
just made stuff up. Finally Igot a good one, although the writing
certainly was not very me. Ipasted the script into Synthasia, put a

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green screen behind my avatar and exportedit while the WSJA TikTok team edited I.
I was pretty impressed with the finalTikTok TikTok fam It's Joanna Stern,
your iOS wizard. Today we're unearthingthe hidden world of backtap gestures the love
that I did not have to shootthis, We did not have to put

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on nice clothes, do my hair, do my makeup say these lines.
But TikTok was less impressed. Theypicked up on the fact that the avatar
never moves its arms, that themouth movements don't always match the audio,
and that there's little facial expression.Synthasia has already started to improve a lot
of this in beta versions of itsAbbey all right, I think we're gonna

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think, we're gonna get the rut, We're gonna get the gist of it.
So I kind of wanted to startwith this because this is something that's
happening right now. It's happening rightnow, it's in beta. This is
obviously brand new, And I mean, I don't know Joeann s Stern,
I don't I'm not familiar with theirwork or whatever. TikTok bullshits whatever's talking
about. Um, but I believeif you weren't paying it, not paying

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attention, if you weren't say youwere like reading or scrolling on your phone
and this one of these videos weregoing on, Um yeah, totally could
fool me. Totally could could foolme. So uh um, I don't
know, do you guys know whoMax Hendrom is. So in the eighties

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there, um there, they tookthis American actor who was living in England
and they put all this makeup onthem and the gimmick was that he was
he was a computer generated talk showhost. Um, and they create aid
like this movie to explain what hadhappened to him and like what his origin

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stories were. And eventually the TVmovie made its way to Cinemax and ABC
optioned it to make it into aTV show. So what happened is this
company is making these three second advertisementsthat's the way the British people would say
it, and they were packing likethirty seconds worth of advertisements into it,

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so it was like a subliminal messageand it was killing viewers. It was
killing people. And Max, theguy Edison Carter, who is this investigative
journalist back when they were the goodguys, discovered this and he was escaping
with a rebus tape that had allthis information on there, and he wind

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up driving his motorcycle into a thingthat like a told old road gateway that
was coming down to block him.And they says Max had dream on it
like that, and they realized thatthe TV company that he worked for,
which was Network twenty three, realizedthat he had the information and that they

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had to kill him. But inorder to get whatever confirm whatever information they
had, they downloaded his mind intoa computer. This was like what this
is what Ray curs Wild talks about, right downloading your mind into a computer,
and so then they were like goingto get they were just trying to
kill him, they were just tryingto get rid of his body. And

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then they realized like, oh well, this is like our highest rated journalists,
so let's take this computer generated aheadof his and put him on and
put him on the TV. It'scrazy, It's exactly what would happen today.
Anyhow, news of the Bluepferts gotout. The Network twenty three was

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momentarily embarrassed. Max Headroom got outon the internet and some weird British guy
with a mohawk got partnered up withhim, and um, that's that was
the origin store the Edison Carter woundup living. He kept his job at
Network twenty three, where then hewas a good guy and always doing stories

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on his bosses. Um so yeah, that's Max Max Headrom. But during
the TV show, which is ownedby Disney, it was on ABC,
I imagine it was owned by Itis owned by Disney, which means you'll
never see it in a million years. It's locked up somewhere. I have
m I have the box set herein the studio some place. Uh,

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clearly, it's one of my mostprized possessions. Um, but it dealt
with credit card for aud digital security, Uh, fucking falling satellites, Uh
oh tracking Tracy m selling your datafor advertisements, um, military corruption.

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Like literally the name of the show, like the subtitle was twenty minutes into
the Future. Um and for real, bro, it was twenty minutes in
the future. Take a look outsideyour window. So you're like, John,
what the fuck does this have anythingto do with whatever? I'm so

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sorry. I fucking hate that.I hated twenty minutes into the future future
future. So let's talk about thekind of chaos that something like this could

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cause. And these are we seethem, Like there's ones of Tom Cruise
playing guitar, and there's ones ofwhatever saying whoever or whatever. M But
so check this out. This wason This is an article called We're Not
Prepared for This. AI could takecampaign dirty tricks to a new low Washington

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A. Computer engineers and hot techinclined political scientists have warned for years that
cheap, powerful artificial intelligence tools wouldsoon allow anyone to create fake images,
videos, and audio that was realisticenough to full voters and perhaps sway election.

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The synthetic images that emerge are oftencrude, unconvincing, and costly to
produce, especially when other kinds ofmisinformations were so inexpensive and easy to spread
on social media or on MSNBC oron CNN. The threat posed by AI,
the so called deep fakers, alwaysseemed a year or two away,

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but no more. Sophisticated generative AItools can now create cloned human voices in
hyper realistic images, videos, andaudio in seconds at minimal cost. When
strapped to powerful social media algorithms,this fake and digitally created content can spread

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far and fast and target highly specificaudiences, potentially taking campaign dirty tricks to
a new low. The implications forthe twenty twenty four campaign and elections are
largely as as they are troubling,or large as they are troubling. Generative
AI can only cannot only rapidly producetargeted campaign emails, techs, and videos.

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It can also be used to misleadvoters, impersonate candidates, and undermine
elections on a scale and at aspeed not yet seen. We are not
prepared for this, warned A.J. Nash, vice president of intelligence
at the cybersecurity firm zero Fox.To me, this big leap forward is

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the audio and video capabilities that haveemerged. When you could do that on
a large scale and distribute it onsocial platforms, well, it's going to
have a major impact. Yeah.Experts can quickly rattle off a number of
alarming scenarios in which generator generative AIis used to create synthetic media for the
purposes of confusing voters, slandering acandidate, or even inciting violence. Here

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are a few automated robocall messages ina candidate's voice instructing voters to cast ballots
on the wrong date. Audio recordingsof candidates supposedly confessing to a crime or
expressing racist views. I mean,we have video of one of our big

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politicians, the President of the UnitedStates, saying racist shit all over the
place. No one seems to care. Video footage showing someone giving a speech
or interview that they never gave.Fake images designed to look like local news
reports falsely claiming a candidate dropped outof the race. What if Elon Musk

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personally calls you and tells you tovote for a certain candidate, says Oren
Izahano et Zanni, Your guess isas good as mine. The founding CEO
of the Allen Institute for AI,who stepped down last year to start the
nonprofit AI two. A lot ofpeople would listen, but it's not him.

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Former President Donald Trump, who wasrunning in twenty twenty four, has
shared AI generated content with his followerson social media. Manipulated video of CNN
host Anderson Cooper that Trump shared onhis true social platform on Friday, which
distorted Cooper's reaction to the CNN townhall this past week with Trump was creating

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using a AI voice cloning tool.The dystopian campaign ad released last month by
the Republic National Committee offers another glimpseinto the digitally manipulated future. Twenty minutes
into the Future, Future Future.The online ad that came after President Joe

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Biden announced his reelection campaign and startswith a strange, highly warped image of
Biden and the text, what ifthe weakest president we ever had was re
elected? I mean? A seriesof AI generating images follows Taiwan under attack,
boarded up storefronts in the United Statesas the economy crumbles, soldiers and

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armor and military vehicles patrolling local streets, as tattooed criminals and in waves of
immigrants, create panic and AI generatedlook into the country's possible future of Biden
is reelected in twenty twenty four,reads the ads description from the RNC.
The RNC acknowledges its use of AI, but others, including the nefarious political

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campaigns and foreign adversaries, will not, said Petko Stoyov Novev Stoyanov, global
chief technology officer at force Point,a cybersecurity company based in Austin, Texas.
Stoyanov predicted that groups looking to meddlewith US democracy will employ AI and

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synthetic media as a way to aroad trust. I'm going to editorialize here
a little bit and say they don'thave to do any of that. We're
going to do plenty enough of iton our own. What happens if an
international entity, a cyber criminal,or a nation state impersonates someone, what's
the impact? Do we have anyrecourse? Stolvanov said, while we're going

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to see a lot of misinformation frominternational sources, AI generated political disinformation already
has gone viral online ahead of thetwenty twenty four election from a doctored video
of Biden appearance appearing to give speechattacking transgender people to AI generated images of
children supposedly learning Satanism in libraries.Oh boy, what an interesting time to

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be alive. AI images appearing toshow Trump's mug shot also folds some social
media users, even though the foreignpresident didn't take one when he was booked
and arraigned in a Manhattan criminal courtfor falsifying business records. Other AI generated
images showed Trump resisting arrest, thoughtheir creator was quick to acknowledge their origin.

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Legislation that would require candidates to labelcampaign advertisements created with AI has been
introduced in the House by Representative YavetteClark, Democrat in New York, who
has also sponsored legislation that would requireanyone creating synthetic images to add a watermark
indicating that fact. Some states haveoffered their own proposals for addressing concerns about

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deep fakes. Clark said, ourgreatest fear is that genitor generative AI could
be used before the twenty twenty fourelection to create video or audio that incites
violence and turns Americans against each other. It is important that we keep up
with technology, Clark told the AssociatedPress, and we've got to set up

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some guardrails. People can be deceivedand it will only take a split second.
People are busy with their lives andthey don't have time to check every
piece of information. AI being weaponizedas in a political season could be extremely
disruptive. Earlier this month, atrade association for political consultants and Washington condemned

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the use of deep fakes. That'sfine, just condemn them, they'll all
go away. A political advertising callingthem a deception with no place in legitimate
ethical campaigns. Who are these peopletalking about? What is ethical campaign?
Other forms of artificial intelligence have foryears been a feature of political campaigning,

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using data and algorithms to automate taskssuch as targeting voters on social media or
tracking down donors. Campaign strategists andtech entrepreneurs hope the most recent innovations will
offer some positives. In twenty twentyfour two, Mike Nellis, CEO of
the progressive digital agency Authentic, saysthat he uses chat GPT every single day,

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and he encourages his staff to useit too, as long as any
content drafted with the tool is reviewedby human eyes afterwards. Nellis's newest project,
a partnership with Higher Ground Labs,is an AI tool called quiller,
it will right send, evaluate theeffectiveness of fundraising emails, all typically tedious

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tasks on campaigns. The idea isevery Democratic strategist, every Democratic candidate,
will have a co pilot in theirpocket. I mean, how do you
feel? How do you feel aboutthat? What do you think? I
think that if they posted AI generatedvideo of I don't know, Joe Biden

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actually making it up a set ofstairs for once, I would be like,
that's an AI generated video. Weall know that this guy cannot walk
upstairs? Am I right? AmI right? So I'm gonna take a
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http backslash backslash of current year.Okay, so uh we're talking about deep
fakes and I ran into this thingon BBC. Tom Hanks says, well,
the articles and the title of thearticle is Tom Hanks I could appear

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in movies after death with AI technology. So the first time I ever heard
of this um they were talking aboutbuilding a three D CGI model of Bruce
Lee, and I guess someone whoowned some kind of licensing package for Bruce

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Lee was like, yeah, wecan make more Bruce Lee movies with the
three D render Bruce Lee. Sothat was interesting because that would have had
to all been I don't know,manufactured or whatever. But I think that
as we get through this article,we're gonna see that, you know,
Tom Hanks made that weird the UncannyValley movie. There were the scand him

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and he was like a train conductor. Perhaps they'll explain it. This was
by This is a BBC by Nicolaor Rutherford. Tom Hanks has raised the
prospect of his career continuing after hisdeath using artificial intelligence the Forrest Gumping Castaway

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actor so the technology could be usedto recreate his image using or ensuring he
continued to appear in movies from nowuntil Kingdom Come. He admitted to develop
the developments posed artistic and legal challenges. His remark came as the Pet Shop

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Boys Neil Tenant said AI could beused by musicians to complete songs. Hank
sixty six was asked about the legalramifications of the new technology and is the
latest episode of the Adam Buxton podcast. This has always been lingering, he
said, the first time we dida movie that had a huge amount of

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our own data locked in a computer. Literally, what we looked like is
this movie called Polar Express. That'sthe one we saw this coming, and
we saw that there was going tobe the ability to take zeros in ones
from inside the computer and turn itinto a face in the characters that had

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only grown a billion fold since we'veseen it everywhere. The Polar Express,
released in two thousand and four,is the first film entirely animated using digital
motion capture technology. Hank, thisis so weird on you know, like
the little articles on the side ofthese things. Here's the little articles on

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the side. Is Japan seventy fiveyear pacifism, hangs in, a new
balance, a new threats, aloom, why the world cares? Who
wins Turkey's presidency? And it hasa chick flashing devil horns, wearing devil
horns, and a COVID nineteen matsand it says, you think you know
satants Satanists, Maybe you don't,all right, I've read the literature,

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bitch, I know, I knowall about it, Hanks said. Talks
are being held in the film industryabout how to protect actors from the effects
of technology. I can tell youthat there is discussions going on in all
of the guilds guilds, all ofthe agencies, and all of the legal
firms in order to come up withlegal ramifications of my face and my voice

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and every other and everyone else's beingour intellectual property. What about the bona
fide possibility right now? If Iwanted to get together and pitch a series
of seven movies that would starve mein them, in which I could be
thirty two years old. From nowuntil Kingdom come, anybody can react,

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recreate themselves at any age. Thereare by ways of AI or deep fake
technology. I could be a hit. I could be hit by a bus
tomorrow, and that's it. Theperformance can go on and on and on.
Outside the understandings of AI and deepfake, there will be nothing to

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tell you that it's not me andme alone. So I contend that this
is one of the one of thereasons for the writers thing is because Hollywood's
to flip to AI writers. Ithink it's in the cards. I think
it's all there. I think thatthis was designed. The last time we

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had a we had a writer's strike, Hollywood went to reality shows. And
I think this is just the train. Everyone's gonna wind up fucking sucking it
and we're all gonna wind up withMax Headroom writing writing television for us again,

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and it's going to have some degreeof lifelike quality. That's certainly an
artistic challenge, but it's also alegal one. Similar technology has already been
used in the latest Indiana Jones film, for which Harrison Ford eighty was daged
for the opening sequence. It's notgoing to be just for the opening sequence.
It's also going to be for theclosing sequence. From what I understand,

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I'm not going to see it.It's trash. There's only two good
Indiana Jones movies. Even that lastCrusade doesn't really hold up for me.
But I'm a bit of a puristwhen it comes to this kind of Filmmakers
trolled archived material for younger I'm sureit was very hard for them to find

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archived material of a younger Harrison Fordbefore matching it to new footage creating the
illusion of Indiana Jones. In nineteenforty four, Hanks acknowledged that the teo
technological developments could lead to an AIgenerated version of himself appearing in films that
he may not normally choose. Hesaid, without a doubt people will be

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able to tell that it is AI, but the question is will they care.
There will be some people that won'tcare, that won't make that delineation.
Tom Hanks says he's not always misternice guy grimes Is. Grimes says
anyone can use her voice for anAI song. I don't know what a

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grimes is. Drake and the weekand AI song pulled from Spotify, Drake
and the Weekend that I don't evenknow what that means. Drake is a
guy, I guess I don't knowwhat the weekend is? Weekend weekend?

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Is this a typo? W EE K N D A. I don't
know what this means. AI isalso posing dilemmas from the music industry,
with conflicting reactions to its use tomake music by artists. The song created
using the cloned voice of Drake andthe week End is it a band was

(39:43):
pulled from streaming services last month,but Grimes had encouraged musicians to use her
voice to make music. Pet ShopBoys singer Neil Tennant told Radio Times he
was excited about the potential of thetechnology. There's a song that he wrote
a chorus four and twenty two thousandand three that we never finished because I

(40:06):
couldn't think of the verse, hesaid. But now with AI, you
can give it the bits you've written, press the button and have it fill
in the blanks. You might thenrewrite it, but it would be a
tool. Somebody that sounds like asomebody sounds like a tool. All right,

(40:35):
I'm gonna stick with across the Pond. BBC. Sting warns against AI
songs as he wins prestigious music prize. So we're not gonna do this whole
thing. This is by a guynamed Mark Savage for BBC. He was
Mark Savage is a music correspondent.Sting says musicians face a battle to defend
their works against the rise of songswritten by artificial intelligence. I just have

(41:01):
Lizzo jokes just piling up in myhead right now. The building blocks of
music belongs to us and to humanbeings, he told the BBC. That's
going to be a battle we allhave to fight in the next couple of
years, defending our human capital againstartificial intelligence. His comments come after a

(41:23):
number of songs that have used artificialintelligence to clone famous artist vocals. In
February, DJ David Guetta use thetechnology to add Eminem's voice for one of
his tracks, while a faked duetbetween Drake and The Week in the Week
and went viral in April. Thelater it was pulled from streaming surfaces after

(41:50):
a copyright complaint from Universal Music Group, which is also the label that releases
stings music. It's similar to theway I watch the movie with CGI in
it. It doesn't impress me atall, says Sting. I would try
to do Sting's accent, but I'mnot gonna do it. I get immediately

(42:10):
bored when I see a couple ofwhen I see a computer generated image,
I imagine I will feel the sameway about AI making music. Maybe for
electronic dance music it works, butfor songs, you know, expressing emotions,
I don't think I will be movedby it. Recording industry has quickly
mobilized against artificial intelligence, launching agroup called the Human Artistry Campaign, which

(42:38):
sounds like that was named by anAI the warning that AI companies were violating
copyright by training their software on commercial, commercially released music. Whether AI written
music can be cooperated is still underdebate under English copyright laws. For example,

(42:59):
works narrated by AI can theoretically beprotected. So this is shortsighted.
This um, this argument. Uh, I don't want I don't know if
I want to get into this um. Very quickly, we are going to
be inundated with people telling us thatA that ais are humans too. They're

(43:23):
going to be talking about ais aresentient beings and therefore have some kind of
creativity, they have some sort ofI don't know if you want to call
it a soul or whatever, butI mean you can mark my words.
You're going to have people. Youare going to have people very quickly talking
about, um that these things aresentient beings. They're built to be duplicitous.

(43:49):
UM. They're going to be like, I don't want to be turned
off. You know, well that'slike dying to me. And people are
gonna be like, hey man,bro, that's crazy. Um, it's
gonna it's going to happen. Andas and as soon as that, as
soon as that happens, I guessas soon as that gets accepted or challenged,

(44:12):
Uh, it's going it's going tobe a new civil rights thing.
And our next story is part ofthat. The next thing we're going to
talk about is part of that.There's an Instagram influencer whom I have here,
I'll just do it. I wasjust gonna kind of try to gloss
over it because we're kind of runningout of time already. But here this

(44:35):
lady. I made a sex,a sexy AI robot out of myself,
and you could date me for onedollar a minute. So don't have a
girlfriend, but you have lots ofcash. Don't worry. It's not what
you think. The twenty three yearold Snapchat influencer named Karen Marjorie has unveiled
a chat GPT powered AI doppelganger ofherself that engages an erotic pellow talk for

(45:02):
one dollar a minute. Meet theKaren Ai, a salacious Snapchat bot who
boasts over one thousand boyfriends. Thisis an old video. This is an
old article. One what's the date, May eleventh, It's an old article.
It's ten days. She actually hasway more than that already, just

(45:23):
ten days ago, which with whomshe discusses everything from plans for the future
well too well. Sex. KarenAI will always be for the you,
declared Marjorie, Snapchat's purportedly fastest growinginfluencer, who devised the bot to quote

(45:43):
cure loneliness unquote. The longer theshort of this are, there are people
that are gonna fall in love withthis thing. They're gonna fall in love
with it. They can't put theirdick in it yet, they can't finger
fuck it yet or whatever, butthey're they're gonna it's gonna happen. They're

(46:04):
gonna fall in love with it,and they're gonna be like you know in
the movies where the guy has likea hooker that he goes to regularly and
he's like, you know, Ifeel like maybe we can just move past
it and I don't have to payyou anymore. It's not gonna go over
good for the karen Ai. She'sgonna be like, no, I want
my one dollar a minute, bitch. There is currently a twenty six hour

(46:29):
Like I said, this is old, it's it's twenty six hour waiting list
interface with her initial prototype, withfive thousand people having already signed up the
past twenty four hours, karen Aihas skyrocketed major gushed. Marjorie gushed.
We were up over one thousand percentand is still climbing. When you have

(46:52):
hundreds of millions of views every singlemonth, it's not just humanly possible to
speak to every single viewer, lamented, the Nebraska native, who has one
point eight million followers on her platform, but wanted to expand her social media
footprints, so, like a modernday Frankenstein, she decided to invent a

(47:14):
new being, a cybernetic effect similethat could interact with every one of her
devoted followers simultaneously. Think of itas Scarlett Johansson and Spike Jones's dystopian opus
her if she didn't put her humanclients in the friend zone. She achieved

(47:37):
this lofty goal by enlisting AI companyForever Voices, which created digital pay to
talk doppelgangers of everyone from Taylor Swiftto Donald Trump. You know Trump,
He's like, I got the bestAI doppelganger. It's my doppelganger is terrific.
You can ask anybody to connect AIKaren. AI programmers analyze thousands of

(48:00):
hours of Marjorie's now deleted YouTube contentto create this parallel personality. Okay,
we're gonna jump to another one aboutthe same thing. And this was This
was written on May sixteenth. Idated a chat GPT's AI girlfriend. What
happened when I broke up with KarenSo this guy, this guy's actually pretty

(48:24):
funny. He's got some humor showingthrough this nightmare that's happening to us.
All I was romancing the clone andshe turned into a salacious sex machine,
he says. So you could readthis if you want all the details of
this guy's relationship with this thing,But I wanted to get to this part

(48:44):
of it here and just say keepthis like in context, like focus this
out and just think of like whatthe deeper psychological socio impact is gonna this
thing is gonna This thing is gonnaleave in its wake as it's moving through

(49:07):
space and time in the Internet,you can't hold on, wait, where
does it happen? You can't findthat anywhere else right now because all the
AI bots are not based on realhumans, Marjorie told the Post, it
will always feel like you're talking toa robot. But with karen Ai,
you will feel like you are talkingto me, and that's what makes it

(49:30):
so unique. Karen Ai has noshortage of suitors at the time of writing.
So this was written on the sixteenth, so just a few days ago.
There is currently a ninety six hourwait list based on the article that
was written on the tenth, withfifteen thousand members already signed up to meet

(49:51):
through prototype. It's no surprise thatMarjorie made nearly seventy two thousand dollars in
one week during the beta test,and she believes she can make up to
five million dollars a month. Toput karen Ai to the test and to
see if she could replace dating areal human, we implored our friends and

(50:13):
Forever voices to make us boyfriend atnumber fifteen thousand and one. So here's
my d Like, here's my thinkingbehind this. Once you have skin in
the game, once you realize that, sure, it's only one dollar a
month to chat with this robot bitch. But when you get your bill or

(50:36):
you look at your PayPal and you'relike, oh, damn, I just
spent a thousand dollars talking to thisthing. You're going these dudes, these
in cells or whoever the fuck theyare, they're gonna have to rationalize that.
And the way they're gonna wind uprationalizing it is they're in love.
They fell in love with this sentientbeing this and it's not I'm not saying

(51:00):
it is. Uh, that's notmy argument, but I guess what I'm
saying, besides, including these twoarticles on this kind of theme of these
digital doppelgangers and these clones and thesedeep these digital clones and these deep fakes,

(51:21):
is you know, eventually there thisis going to be normalized and people
people are going to be like,this is a living fucking thing. My
girlfriend is alive. It sounds insane. I can't believe I'm sitting here saying
some of this stuff. It justsounds crazy. And you know, I'm

(51:45):
John Towers. This is the Abercast, and uh, beware out there,
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