Actress Enya Flack

In this episode, Alison interviews actress Enya Flack

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yes, I'm in the basement again apparently how can you show?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
And I am Alison Aringhram.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Although some of you may remember me as Evil Nellie
Elsen from the Little House in the Prairie Tonight, thankfully,
I am Alison Argram.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
And this is the Allison Aringram Show.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
And here on the Allison Ringham Show, we talk about
things that make us feel good, the movies and the
TV shows that made us feel good, and the people
who made them, and people who are doing things now
to make the world a better and more interesting place.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
And I have this fabulous.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Woman coming on. I have not met her before and
I just found out about it, and I'm like, why
have I not been like following.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
This woman's career for years? Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
So she's any any Flack, which I loving the name
right there. She's on the b Et Show, All the
Queen's Men, The Tyler Perry Show, All the Queen's Men,
and she is the district Attorney who's having to go
get the evil, the evil Madame de Ville that the
like massively evil lady on the show. Yeah, she's she's
going to shut her down. She's going to shut her down.

(01:18):
She is the DA on this she is amazing. This
woman has been on all of these shows. She's been
on Queen Sugar, Twisted, Sister Outer Banks, to President, She's
been in everything, and originally pursued a career in journalism
but is now an actress who is in absolutely everything. Also,
you know, just in her spare time, she's the a ballet, flute.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Music. There is nothing she does not do. I am
totally amazed by her.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Ladies and gentlemen, and yeah, fleck, hi there.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Like, what do you not do? What do you not do?

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Any things?

Speaker 5 (02:01):
I'm sure, but I'm not afraid to try anything once usually,
so I guess that's not.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Weir really clearly.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Fabulous breakout show that you're on again another you know,
Tyler Perry genius. So here we are again with another
fabulous show. And you are going after a very evil
person on this show. I have now seen parts of
this and yes, I'm like, I'm terrified of this, this
madame deville person. And yeah, she's she's into every evil
possible thing she could be possibly doing.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
She's an a lampire going and and you.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Are you are the da who is cursed with having
to go after this creature.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
That's right, and she is tough. I'll tell you.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
I uh yeah, it's it's interesting to be a part
of this show, and I absolutely love it.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
It's one of those shows where you know.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
I don't think you can go too far in it,
which you know is an is an actor's dream.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
So it's it's been a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well, reading about it, I was like, there's like almost
soap operatic things.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Going and so and so, who is the fault? Baby's father?
And wake and I'm like, wait, wait, wait, what is
this guiding light? What is happening? Okay, this is like
some off the church soap opera.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
It is a little bit like a soap opera. Yeah,
but take a soap opera and then you know, take it.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
I'm absolutely incredible. Now, how long have you been on this?
You've been on this for a while.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
This is my second season.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
Maybe a third season we'll see so but there, yeah,
second season now.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
And you're enjoying. I take it. Working with the incredible
Tyler Perry.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
I really am.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
You know, it's been It's been such an incredible experience.
You know, his vision is is is like nothing I've
ever experienced, and I've I've been in the business for
a little while, and there are a number of things
and you know production wise that he does a bit
differently and it can be a little bit of a challenge, but.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
A great challenge and a really amazing experience.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Well that's the.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Thing when you're working with someone like that who is
overseeing every facett of production. And we had that experience
a little house with Michael Land. It was direct and
producing and that's it. No, I don't know what everyone
else is doing on their shows, but this is what
we're doing on our show.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
And you go, you just absolutely go with that. Yes,
you have massive experience.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
You are on Queen Sugar, another incredible show, and interesting enough,
you were journalists, don't that.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
I was, yeah, a little something to draw from drawn.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
I really thought that that was what I was going
to do with my life for a long time.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
In fact, that's why I went to That's what I
went to college for.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
I was a radio TV made radio TV film major,
but a minor in journalism and music. But I had
decided I was a big Barbara Walters and Connie Diane Sawyer.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
Loved all of these women and.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
At that time there, you know, were a lot fewer
female journalists on it than we have today. And I
just thought, you know that that's what I wanted to do,
and did it for you know, hard TV news for
a little bit and then decided, wait, now I don't
think this is it for me.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
It's amazing because absolutely it's not that you weren't successful.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I mean there's numerous.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Shows that you were did presenting, hosting and journalism, so
you were doing it. But the acting you decided to
appeal to more.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
I did you know, there's uh, there's there's buses and
minuses and everything, and I actually did I should say
I enjoyed entertainment, news and even sportscasting. It was the
hard news, which is I which is what I had
originally thought I wanted to do that that just didn't
quite work for me. But yeah, but uh, I want,
I hate to say it, but kind of fell into acting.

(05:38):
But it was sort of, I think a culmination of
all of my experiences that I had had in life
up to that point that made acting such a relatively
easy transition for me.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
And that is how it is to like everything feeds
on everything else, and you certainly wanted up like oh wait,
this sort of as pointed me here, I mean, I
look at you background it says, oh, yes, of course
you know ballet, flute and multiple instruments, and and you
actually at one point were in the pageant world, the
whole Miss America scene I was.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
And you know, pageants can get such a bad wrap,
but for me, it was a way.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
I started doing it because I was looking for.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Money, quite honestly, money in the pageant world.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Yes, I fell through school and I was lucky enough
and I went through the Miss America pageant system. I
did a little USA pageant system in America, but I
did the Miss America pageant system because I played several
instruments and I picked one that I thought people knew
a little bit less about, the harp and uh. And

(06:46):
so I was very lucky that I always, even if
I didn't place, I always got some sort.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Of monetary award. So like, okay, you had a talent.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
I came in with a talent.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
People are the amount of work in involved in the padgwork,
Because I actually do have friends who came out of
the padge of world and they're like, oh, you do
not know the amount of work, convaulved It is not
just slap it on the dress and showing up.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
It is a lot of work.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
It is, and unlike acting with an acting role, so
often you're you know, you're lucky. Maybe if you get
a couple maybe three days notice before an audition, you know,
you do the I and then you wait and see.
With these pageants, I mean, that's that's that's usually once
a year, and so you're prepping all here and learning
your you're learning your current events, and you're practicing your talent,

(07:34):
and you're working out and all.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
All of that stuff.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
And you get one shot in here and then you
know you may age out.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
So if you write years in a row and you
know you're at the end, you.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Know, like people think the TV industry ages, you're out. Yeah,
try the badger role. But this had to have prepared
you because there's also the difficulty page of world. Just
absolutely it's difficult, and you're i mean literally judge to
add your judge and on your looks and your talent
and age out and the tiny tiny details of physical
appearance that had really prepared you for the world of

(08:07):
television and film. I mean, we think we're judged a
lot of that. But good luck trying.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Beating in a paget absolutely, And you know, I know,
you know, as an actor you often get asked, you know,
how do you deal with the rejection, like, well, I
only had two days to really get ready for in
the first place.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
So it's okay, there'll be another one. There'll be another
audition coming up at some point.

Speaker 5 (08:28):
So but again, like I was saying before, with the pageants, yeah,
it's it's a real bload to the old ego at
times if you don't end up winning or even placing
that kind of thing. But but yeah, as you said, wonderful,
wonderful prep for acting.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
We really preps you for the just the brutal world
of act And that's the thing, is like rejection when
as a child they say, well it was.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Like well practiced.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Somewhere after the hundredth audition, just you know, the sting
is gone.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
It's just exactly.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
And then the journalism, now it must be interesting. One
of the things I've noticed with a lot of my friends,
like when we started a Little House Everything, a lot
of actors, if they're not familiar with the world of
journalism and also especially entertainment media and press and everything,
it's difficult for them the first time they do an
interview or a press jacket. They've got it all sorted
out with acting. They're a genius. They may have a

(09:19):
degree in drama from major university. They know how to act,
they know how to be in a show, and then
they have to do interviews and then they get the
magazine or see.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
The show and go, oh, they've edited.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
I didn't say that, And they're absolutely blindsided by the
whole press aspect of it.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
And I was lucky I grew up in the visit.
So did journalisms?

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Did your study of journalism experience and that prepare you
for the crazy press segment of being in entertainment?

Speaker 5 (09:47):
Yeah, I guess it did. It's funny, that's an interesting question.
I've never thought about that, but yeah, I think that
it did.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
One of the.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
Reasons that I got out of journalism I was doing
local TV news. One of the reasons I got out
is because I found that, uh, I in journalism school,
they they actually did teach us to just report, to tell,
to tell the story unbiased. You know, don't splant to
the right, don't splant to the left, tell the story.

(10:15):
And I found that that was not always the case.
It was surprise, how so please as they say and uh,
and so you know, in doing interviews and whatnot, you
know sometimes with editing, just like with acting, and sometimes
what you say is not exactly exactly how you remember saying.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
It or the way it comes out.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
It's not exactly as you remember saying it or maybe
meaning it.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
But with editing, you you know, you're not you're you're sort.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Of And then in print media. I experienced that as
a kid.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
I mean, luckily I was so young when I was
getting interviewed earlierly.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
On or you know, going to my father. That's that's
not what we shad in the interviewing this. Well, that's
how that goes because that's not like a real magazine.
It's like an entertainment magazine.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
It's a good yeah, that's what they do because story
and it's like, well, so I had my blinders ripped
off at like age seven, so the show's like, yeah,
that's kind of how it goes. They're not going to
quote you correctly.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yet that's stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
You're a little older, but it's it's an excellent preparation.
I'm I'm thinking, really, actors should probably study journalism somewhere
in their study becap some idea of what goes on,
what it is they're looking for, entertainment, press and the
kind of things you can fall into, and how to
conduct yourself in an interview.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
For having safe there should be training for that.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
That's actually a great idea. I think the same should
be true for athletes. You know, they get interviewed a
lot too, so you're, you know, for.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
The athlete, and they're really good at their job, but
they like, go, what happened of we won?

Speaker 4 (11:55):
We won? Yeah? Exactly. You need to suggest that, Alison,
that's a great idea.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
This maybe a new sideline for you you have to do.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
You play a lot of very strong women, just even
going down the list, even all the way back, but
you play these wonderful, very fourth rate strong women. Is
that is that a choice you got lucky or is
this just something you'd hope to do.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
I've grown into those roles, that is, Honestly. I think
that's one of the beautiful things about aging a little bit.
I remember, you know, when I was first getting started,
I was always somebody's love interest, somebody's girlfriend, somebody's you
know that sort of thing. Always you know, tagging along
with somebody and uh, you knows as I got older. Actually,
I'll take it back, well, I was getting older obviously
at that point too. But I first got the opportunity

(12:40):
to start playing stronger women when I was as a
result of my doing UH sports casting in Los Angeles.
And it's funny, that was just sort of a weird
little byproduct of it. I had the opportunity to do it.
I was trying to make end meet, like you know,

(13:00):
a lot of actors we often find out wine in
that position, and I got the opportunity to do the
sports casting thing, mostly talking to fans in bars on
the weekend.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
You know, hey, how do you you know who's your favorite?
That kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
But it never occurred to me that on the weekends,
you know, who doesn't like sports? A lot of people
watch sports, a lot of football fans in LA. The
Oakland Raiders were the team for l A at the time,
and and it didn't occur to me that, wait, casting
people also watch sports on the weekend. I started getting

(13:42):
requests from casting offices for uh, for reporters and for
lawyers and just you know, women who could actually speak
so so so yeah. But then again, as you age,
I think that the or you experience you have in life,

(14:02):
the easier it is to play these these stronger characters.
So no offense to the young women out there, but
at least that's that's been my journey.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
There's such a thing in Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
I remember there was someone did it as a joke,
but I went, wow, that's kind of accurate. And it
was like the ages of a woman in Hollywood, and
it was like girlfriend slash hooker, then mother, then district attorney, grandma.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
And I was like, oh, that's terrible weight, that's completely true.
And I saw friends of like, wasn't you playing the
mom and something last year?

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Oh, she looks it's a da NOPs, it is.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
But at least at least if you got like pig
Da the parts are good. At least you get to
do the good work.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
That's true exactly.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
Once someone once recently said something like, oh, once you
go mom, you never go back, or something like that
as an access I'm.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Like, what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's horrible your mom? Like good to know.

Speaker 6 (15:01):
Noted, we're growing up in the industry, we know it's
like the absolute the type casting, the stereotyping is just rampant,
and obviously racially it's also a huge challenge too.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
I mean, have you been dealing with that coming up
in the industry, that the roles for African Americans versus
for white actresses being very different.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
A little bit, however, I found myself, interestingly enough, in
the position of being the alternative choice.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
I think several times.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
In fact, I remember this was just a guest spot
on a sitcom.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Some years ago.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
But I made it to the callback and there were
I think like five or six of us in the
room waiting to go in, and it was me and.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
A bunch of blonds.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
I thought, oh, okay, guess I'd be the alternate choice.
And I booked it.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
So that was nice.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Yeah, so that was interesting.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
But you know, I'm sure you know, the tables have
kind of turned a lot. I mean, if you look
at television now, it's so much more diverse, yeah, than
than than ever before, which which is nice. It kind
of makes me, it makes me a little bit sad
for some of my my my count my Caucasian counterparts.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
I don't know how to say now.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
There I have girlfriends who, you know, they can't buy
an audition right now because back in my I have
My manager even said, you know, if you're a blonde
from Minnesota and you just got out here, you might
as well turn around and go back, because they're just
you know, they're just the number of roles for people
who fit that description, it's just decreased so much, and

(16:48):
it's you know, it'd be nice to think that you
just go with the person who is the most talented,
but there are a lot of talented people out there,
and I guess you have to make a decision one
way or another and have to come out.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Competition has always been rule because it's how many thousand
people get off that bus, But it's also the pendulum
swings around where they will fixate on something in Hollywood,
and you know, it's one of those things of seeing
people do I call.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
It doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
You know, I'm old enough to remember when I was
a kid, TV was so white. It was like watching
a snowstorm, and I thought, you know, you know, I
grew up in a world where to everybody's not white
in my world? Why are they all white on the TV?
And to see that things have changed, it is like, oh, finally,
oh thank god. But they become fats where it's like, oh, Okay,
we're going to everybody, it's going to be African American.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Oh, and now we're going to do Asian American wooo.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
And it's like, well, good, Finally all of these actors
are getting jobs, like like yes, as they should.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
But then it becomes a thing.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
It's like, oh, well, now we're just going to do that,
And the problem with that is then they change their
mind and they see another shiny object because because they
weren't doing it for like the good reasons, like maybe
we should do this and actually represent all of humanity
being film the TV they were doing it for because
it's like the latest thing, and so I'm like, oh god,
they're going to pick another latest thing, and then what

(18:07):
are we all.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Going to do?

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.

Speaker 5 (18:10):
You know what I find very interesting too is, and
I'm sure you've watched look at commercials these days, you
never know, and if it's a family, you really never
know what you're going to get anymore because and which
which is kind of nice because I think that's very
representative of at least our country right now. You know,
I have a very mixed bag of cultures in my family,

(18:31):
and it's kind of nice. To see families represented that
are you know, we've got this, and we've got that,
and we've got you know, a little of everything.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
So I do like that part.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
But but yeah, I agree with you too about it's
almost well, it's on trend at times.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I mean a couple of years ago, I had a
friend with agent.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
He called me, said, do you know any good looking
Latino men between seventeen and twenty five? I said, well maybe,
but wait why, I said, it's a dating service.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
I beg your pardon, what are you asking me?

Speaker 1 (19:00):
He said, no, I've got the breakdowns and that is
literally the only thing they want this week.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
They went, what an awe? That?

Speaker 1 (19:08):
He said, yeah, that's this week. And literally all these
are they're asking for the same person. And that was
that six month period, and so it's very, very crazy.
The industry is a crazy place, and I'm just really
hoping that all of these incredible actors were finally getting
a chance because of this, get to stick around because

(19:29):
people are doing good work.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah, absolutely, I agree.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
So yeah, it's just I yeah, yeah, the business. Now.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
I read all these fabulous, brilliant things about your Caraduork,
did you, in fact.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Teach men how to run away model. Yes, I did
you know.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
I'm a big believer in taking advantage of every opportunity
and once again trying to.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Make ends me.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
That's before I got to That's before I moved to
La so uh.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Right after college, and yeah, I was.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
I found myself engaged and in the middle of a
big after a big breakup with this, with this gentleman,
I decided to just sort of change my focus to
try to keep my sanity. Basically, I was just like
you know, crying all the time. And so I thought, okay,
time to move, time to do something different. So I

(20:18):
moved to San Francisco and just on a whim, and
I found myself teaching at this modeling school and yeah,
I don't know why. Well, I take it back. They
started me off as a doing sales for this school. Okay, okay,
I am not a salesperson. I'll put that out there
if anybody wants to hire me.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
As I'm surprised because you, as you said, you're about
the bottom line, and she said, got to make ends
meet bottom line, you shll your you shell your shelf
very well.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
So yeah, well, but I have.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
To really believe let's just say this.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
I won't name the school, but I have to believe
in what I'm selling in order to to do a justice,
and honestly, I just did.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
This institution was not one that they were very much.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
About let's get as many people in as we can,
yeah sort of thing, whether they're you know, more likely
to be a model or not, you know, based on
whatever the current trends were for you know, the look
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Was at the time.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
But so they did say they learned that I was
not a good salesperson, but they made me a teacher
and they put me with the guys I don't know.
So I was teaching men how to walk up and
down one way, and that's how I was, as they say, discovered.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
That sounds so cheesy, But.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
A guy, a talent manager, came to our school to
scout for new talent. And he saw me in my
office and asked me if I had ever done any acting,
and I had taken I think one acting class in college,
and so I told him no, I hadn't, and and
he asked me to read some lines and sides with

(22:02):
him and Alison, I swear he actually said, you know,
I really think you've got a great look, I think
I could represent you, and would you moved to LA
And I just thought, okay, am I handed camera? Ye?

Speaker 2 (22:16):
What am I at the shops counter? Get out? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (22:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Ah right, sure.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
But he did convince me to come down a couple
of weeks later for an audition read for it had
the callback that Evening booked it first thing I had
ever read from you both booked it.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, can I hate you now your book?

Speaker 5 (22:37):
But you know, I look back on that and I
you know, first of all, I think a couple of
things happened. As you said, I had gone through the
whole pageant thing I'd been I had been on some
sort of a stage since I was about seven years old,
so I was used to.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Being in front of people.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
And in the callback, they actually had about i'd say
about thirty five people in.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
The room, and so I walked in, I was like, oh,
hello everybody.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
So I guess I had that. You know, I was
used to that kind of thing. I knew nothing about
timing or this is a sitcom. I knew nothing about
timing or whatnot. So I guess they either felt sorry
for me or I, you know.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
Look like I could handle it.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
So the confidence because you survived you a pageant and
you survived journalism school, so it was like, okay, so
you had sense of confidence. But again, these things I
tell actors, you know, get out that, don't just sit
and wait for the pun.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
What did you do?

Speaker 1 (23:31):
You went and you interviewed people in bars about sports.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Oh, look, she's that type. OI, let's call her in
for this.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Oh, I'm going to teach a bunch of guys how
to be runway models and how to move their hips.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
And a manager shows up and wants to represent you,
and you.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Literally book the first thing you go.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
And after getting the first check, after working I think
I worked maybe two hours because I had two lines
for about two hours, got the first check and I checked,
and I thought, wow, I don't make this in a
month teaching god to.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Walk uprun right? So I don't. Sometimes the jobs you're
very far apart. But then when you get when you
go work actually half bad.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
That's pretty good gain exactly. They didn't tell me that
I wouldn't book another You know.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yes, but that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
So do you have advice for young actors, because clearly
you understood the because of like going out and doing
something completely crazy and seemingly unrelated. Yeah, what advice do
you have for young actress trying to get discovered as
it worked?

Speaker 5 (24:35):
Well, I guess it would just it just just if
the if an opportunity comes your way, don't be afraid
to take it. I had a friend who was also,
you know, an aspiring actress, and someone told her, you know,
if you want to be seen as a serious.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Actress, don't do commercials for example.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
I don't know, maybe that was true once upon a time. Uh,
she was barely you know, barely able to pay her
in and I told her.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
What do you gotta do?

Speaker 5 (25:05):
Because you, in my experience, you really just never know
what something that you may think is not in remotely
even remotely related. You never know who you might meet,
what you might you know, what opportunity might from from that.
I'm just a big believer in try everything is. If

(25:27):
you've got the nerve, then try everything you know within
within boundaries. Don't sell yourself, you know, don't sell yourself.
You know, you know what I'm saying. But just I've
done a lot of nutty things.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
I've done.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
I don't swim particularly well, but I've gone parasailing, i
went I've done uh, diving. Uh yeah, I did scuba.
I've done scuba diving. My very first ever dive was
ninety feet.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh it was a lot and half to death.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
But glad I did it. You know, so you nerve
do it.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
Yeah, just try to just just try everything be open,
be open.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
All confidence building experiences. So there's that.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
But yeah, it is crazy the stuff that people go
and do. And that's the thing, that's the thing that
gets them. Notice that's the but you have to be
out there. You can't just sit in your living room
all day. You have to go out into the world.
And I just yeah, these kind of story people say, well,
then I went into this completely ridiculous thing and that,
and then you booked the first thing. I'm just like, gasp, gasp,

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but you did.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I mean, it's just amazing.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
Now you started when you were how old did you say?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I was?

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Actually, my screen Actors Build Cards has member since nineteen
sixty seven.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
I was five when I read my first job.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
That's amazing, that's so amazing. See, I've got a late start.
I was much more than I was, more like twenty five.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
So I got a job at five.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
I think that might have been the commercial because I
did a hunts ketchup commercial I think was.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
My first thing.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
And then you know that all the little child things
you do, commercials and spots on things and the funny party.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Okay, the industry.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
So I'm about eleven and my father, who's manager and
he had many.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Other clientsho was just my regular manager with an.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Office, but he sits to me danzas you haven't been
booking lately eleven. I just in a movie when I
was ten, and he stud y. I give a lot
of parts. You know how it is with child stars.
Sometimes you work a lot from like five page ten
and then people stop working in adolescents and they don't work,
and maybe you don't work two eighteen, or maybe you
will never work again. And actually laid this on me

(27:38):
at eleven, just to prepare me, and I took it
very stoic lay because being I went, you know, he's right,
he's very up. And then of course about six months
later I got Little House in the Prairie.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
Wow, you never know, you don't you don't, and then
you know you never know anything in this crazy business
for sure.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
But say I've been trying catch up to you.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
That's oh, I'm looking at your resume, I think you.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Got me beat.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
I mean fresh Fresh, Prince of bel Air or The
Wayans Brother, the Steve Harry Show. You you did a
lot of comedy before playing all these very tough women
I did.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Who knew it was funny?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (28:16):
Well, you know when I when I hit LA, I
guess we'll say it was in the nineties and during
that time there were a lot of sitcoms and so,
and it's funny. I some of my best friends to
date are are women that I met in the casting
in the waiting room at the casting offices, because there
were enough to where if I booked a guest starred

(28:40):
this week and maybe three four weeks later, I'd book
another one because there was just there was a wealth
of opportunity there, even even before you know streaming services.
You know, there's just and there were a lot of them.
A lot of those opportunities were sitcoms, so.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
And yeah, and you did very well in all of those.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Now, I know, as you mentioned in some interviews, because
I looked and when I looked it right away, boom.
I show your Instagram and all your fabulous stuff and
all your posts. But you mentioned about balancing privacy with
a career, because you clearly found a way to do.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
That brought that journalism background didn't hurt.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
How do you balance a privacy with having a full
social media presence, because nowadays it's kind of impossible to
not have a social media presence, So how do you
do that?

Speaker 5 (29:22):
It is I'm just very particular about what I post.
I don't post everything. I do like to keep my
family life private very much, so I have I've been
very blessed with a wonderful family, and I just don't,
you know, they're just I think there's some things that
I don't want to put out there.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
And so how have I done it? You know, I
might I might have a.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
Much bigger social media presence, a lot more followers if
I did put more there, perhaps, But.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
As I'm aging, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
That sort of thing has become very important to me,
just a sense of you know, a little bit of
me time piece and that sort of thing, and well spirit,
well being and all of that good stuff. So I
think you have very very very intent and on that
kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
I think it's very sensible. I mean, luckily, I mean
I kind of early on, I.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Guess as you know growing up in the business. My
father's film never dies. You know, things you put before
there was an internet, the idea of putting a photo
out there, it will never go away. It was impressed
upon me even before the Internet is forever. And I
guess even when I first started posting on things, it's like,
this can be seen by everyone. Oh I said it
for private, yes, but if a friend of one of
your friends, yes, what.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Could they could probably see it.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
People can see your stuff, and I had no problem
with that. But I have always posted knowing is this
something I want actually every single person on the planet
to see?

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Oh? Yes, I do. Well, then that's all righte that.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
But if it isn't something I'm comfortable telling the entire
population of Earth, no, I don't actually put it on
the Internet.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
That's very smart. Not everybody stops and things about that.
That's hopefully people are listening. But you're absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
And because it does not go away, it may turn
down the list on Google.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
But I'm fairly public about that. I grew up in
the public eye and I'm very good in touch with
my fans. I'm very you know Draa, Oh yes.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
This is me. But I also know it's like, yeah,
if it's out there, No, it's really out there.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
It's not like, oh I only said it on Facebook
to these people, Now y'all send it to everybody.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
It's true, very very true.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Do you do you have to well, and now things
old things coming back when you when you were young
and doing the comedies and everyone's like, oh, look at.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
The young pretty girl just coming up pageant.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Did you find there was a lot of, you know,
requests for you to take swimsuit photos and be the
sexy girl.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Absolutely absolutely, My swimsuit photos are all coming back too
onto me.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
I'm glad I didn't take any terrible pictures. But it's
like hilarious because least the pictures are good.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
But I now it's like I get sent them for
autographs with the pop up on Facebook and I go, yes.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I remember that bikini. Why am I seeing it now?

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Because it's still there? Because it never goes away.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
I mean, have you had have you had like your
old pageant pictures come like flying back at you?

Speaker 5 (32:13):
And so I've not had pageant pictures come back, but
you know I did you know, as a result of
doing pageants, I was asked to do swimsuit calendars and
things like that when I'm as much younger.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
But you know, it's been a better shape too there,
So so you know.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
We're young, we we're cute. What the heck?

Speaker 5 (32:30):
I'm not embarrassed by them, but you know, I am embarrassed,
but not embarrassed if that makes any sense, by them.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
But yeah, they it's like, you know, it's a fine picture.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
It's not stat scandalous. I'm properly covered. But I now
I'm kind of like, oh, bit cringe. Actually, okay, next
I get.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
But this is the thing. These things never go away.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
So it's not something I think actors absolutely need to learn.
Now what we I mean, I'm looking at all the
things that you've done, is the one that you've enjoyed most.
I mean, you know, queens sugar versus all the queen's
men versus the other? What have you really found fulfilling each?

Speaker 4 (33:10):
You know, I love doing lots of things.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
If I had to say, well, these are very different,
very different things. But one show that I did, I
was a series regular on it. You I'm sure you've
never heard of it, but it was in the fledgling
days of the Sci Fi Channel.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
It was called Black Scorpion.

Speaker 5 (33:31):
And this was the reason I liked this show so much,
just because it was it was It's based on a
cartoon basically, and it was a little it was a
little like Batman and Robin with a female heroine, I guess.
And the great thing about that was, well, aside from
the fact this was produced by Roger Corman, anybody.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
What fun, what fun? Hilarious?

Speaker 5 (33:57):
You know, anybody who doesn't know he you know, launched
a lot of great careers.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
I think he would filmed out in a few days.
They're just brilliant, exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
He was king of B movies.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
But anyway, so he produced this, this TV and so
you know this the world that was created was so
nonsensical and you couldn't you couldn't go too far. I mean,
I I got to wear prosthetics for the first time.
They aged me to look ninety five. It was it
was just you know, crazy fun stuff. So and that

(34:29):
was sort of earlier on in my career, So I
love that. That definitely stands out in my mind. Another
opportunity that really stands out was I got to be
in an episode of The Sopranos, the one episode that
they shot in la The rest is I think shot
in was shot in New York, but the one episode
they shot in l A I was fortunate to be

(34:51):
a part of, and I got to work with Serpin
Kingsley and Lauren Becau, the cast of the regular cast.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
So like, yeah, that's kind of great.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Now, what is this project on fire? Can you tell
me this project on fire?

Speaker 5 (35:06):
Oh gosh, I'm so looking forward to that coming out.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
It's based on the book.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Yeah, it's based on a book by a gentleman name
by the name of John.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
O'Leary, who, when he was I believe it was nine
years old, was burned over ninety nine percent of his body,
not expected to survive, but he did survive, and he's
still with us today, and it's it's it's his story
and how he overcame all.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Of the obstacles.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
I mean, he was in a wheelchair for a while,
he lost all of the fingers on his on his hands,
and and he's just such an incredible inspiration. And the
part that I play is not huge, but it's very pivotal, pivotal, pivotal.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
I can't speak.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
I play his piano teacher, so which I won't give
it away. But it's a very important part of his
story and how he was able to become the man
in medio is today.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Nice and this is coming out. This is an upcoming
piece in the Hope.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
In the fall.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
I think, what's the title the title for the film
on Fire?

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Just on fire?

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Okay, based on his book and everything. Now you shut
up a scholarship fund in your mother's name.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
I did. Thank you for mentioning that. Yeah, my mom.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
My mom is an educator for forty years, I think, wow,
in Charlotte, North Carolina, and she as you know, even
to this day she has students who she's now ninety.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Eight years old.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
By the way, Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Yeah, great, and you know, and great health, thankfully. But
to this day she still has people come up to her.
I have people come up to me and tell me
how much they've loved my mom. She was you know,
she made such difference in their life. I could tell
a great, you know, one real fast story about her.
She there was a young lady who had been kept

(37:08):
back in the eighth grade three or four years, and
she had kind of gotten the reputation as being a troublemaker.
My mom was able to figure out my mom taught science.
But one day this young lady was in her class
and disrupting the class and she my mom asked her
to stay afterwards, and you know, it was asking, you know,

(37:29):
what is this problem?

Speaker 4 (37:29):
And she was being kind of belligerent.

Speaker 5 (37:30):
About the whole thing, and my mom something told her.
She says, sweetheart, do you know how to read? And
the young lady broke down in tears because she had
made it to eighth grade.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
It makes me a little It tiped me up.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
She made it to eighth grade and had been held
back three or four times because she didn't know how
to read.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
And she to fake it, to fake it right.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
She was playing tough because she didn't know. And she
broke down in tears and she said, no, ma'am, I
don't know how to read. And so my mom told her,
if you you could, I think they got an hour
for lunch, and she said, if you will give me
thirty minutes of your lunch every day, I will teach
you how to read. Not only did she learn how
to read by the end of the year, she went
on to graduate from high school, graduate from college, and now.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
She's a teacher.

Speaker 5 (38:15):
Oh so the scholarship that I'm set up is in
my mom's honor, and it's for specifically women, young women
who who intend on, uh becoming educators.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
When it became.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
So, when are we making a movie of the story
about this girl in your law?

Speaker 2 (38:35):
When when is the film of that coming out?

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah, I'm sure she'd love that.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
But I think I think educators are so underappreciated in
this country, and it's it's just there, it's so important,
they're they're so important when they're they're undervalue, they're underpaid.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Completely, you know, and just too yeah to not be
able to be trying to be tough.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
So you pretend not to read.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
So someone gives you an assignment, you just said, well,
I didn't do the assignment because I thought it was stupid,
not that literally could not read these times, so of
course they just think she's awful.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
I have no idea what's happening to her.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
And then when that out there, who were just sort
of you know, just being passed through the system, and
you know, they're.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Shuffled through the system and children with all kinds of
different needs coming and they don't realize why I did
a benefit thing.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
There was a there's a.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Children's dental clinic in La Marvelous Group and providing dental
services to the income families. And one of the stories
that he told was this little boy and he wasn't
doing very well in school. He's in the early grades,
but like they never raise his hand, wasn't falling alone,
not paying attention in class, and finally the teacher said, wait,
his kids look in some kind of paint, honey, are
you okay?

Speaker 2 (39:43):
He had like an abscess too. If he hadn't infected too,
he hadn't been to the dentist.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Family had no money insurance, he couldn't be to the dentist,
and they got him to the dental dental center and
they were able to treat he was Once he was treated,
he was able to pay attention in class, he was
a completely normal intelligence. And I talk to finish schooling.
That's fine, but health issues issues at home, kids who
are being abused, kids who their families are homeless, and

(40:08):
they're not even telling anyone this stuff is going on,
and then people wonder why they're not performing in school.
And every now and then it's a teacher who notices
and bothers.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
To ask exactly exactly and you know, not only the
We've got to give them so much more.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
We've got to give them more support.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
We just we just have to because it's they're just
Sometimes there are a kid's only chance.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yes, they may beat the chance's only friend and only
like person to reach.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Out to exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Okay, well what is it?

Speaker 1 (40:39):
What's a scholarship called? If people want to find out
about this, where would they go?

Speaker 2 (40:42):
And I'll find out.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
That we're doing it through an organization called boldbold dot org.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
And I just want Rubina Rubina. I'll have to spell
that one.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
Are U, E B E n NA Rubina and look
up Green Rabena Greenfield Flack.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Memorial non Memorial Honorary Scholarship.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Fantastic for mein a green gild flat Wait, I said it,
I did it, Okay, Bold, But this can all be
found out because this is a really great project. This
is the thing when we talk about people who are
making the world in a better and more interesting place
to see, this is the kind of people I have
on because you're doing things like this.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Have you ever played a teacher? Have you played a
teacher yet?

Speaker 5 (41:22):
I have not played a teacher. No, I haven't played
a teacher. Yeah, It's funny because I so often get
asked about I do, like, I like a little tiny
bit of coaching acting as you know, to young actors,
But I have yet to you know, even dive into
actual you know, giving classes. I'm just again, I'm I

(41:44):
have such a respect for teachers. Not only was my
mom a teacher, my dad was a teacher too, So
that's wow.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
I'm like, no, I'm.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
Not worthy if you ask me, you know what, do
you think I'll give you that you know the best,
But I don't.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
I have this.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
I think I have a real phobia of teaching. And no,
I've not even played a teacher on TV or film.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
So well, I think you would, you would have that down.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
I think that would probably be an excellent that's a
bucket list to can put that on the list now
of yet more things that you can do. Yeah, it's
just amazing. But yeah, have you thought about writing a book?
Are you working on that? Like an autobiography?

Speaker 4 (42:19):
I have not.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
Thought about doing that. I do, interestingly enough, there is
a podcast idea that I have, but yeah, we'll see
about that. It's it's my my other big concern in
this world of ours, well, one of my one of
my other ones is just the plight of.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Our senior citizens.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
Again, my mom's eight and just it's been, it's been,
it's been an interesting journey with her, even though her
health is thankfully pretty darn good for someone her age.
Just the the responsibilities that you find yourself having, just
the transition of mh, you know, going from being the

(43:03):
child to being the parent of your parent, so to speak.
It's it's it's a little mind blowing at times. And so, uh,
that's something that I'm really thinking. And I've talked to
other people, specifically a lot of other women my age
who are kind of going through the same or similar
things what they called.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
The sandwich generation, where they're dealing with like the kids
are just growing up and the parents are getting old,
and you're kind of stuck in the middle dealing with Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Yeah, yeah exactly.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
I think we need more resources because, you know, nothing else,
it'll let us let us all know that we're you're
not the only one who feels like you're going crazy.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
So are you have a plot plan for a podcast
on one of these issues?

Speaker 4 (43:45):
I'm yes, yes, yeah, I like that. I'm hoping to
get that launched by the middle of this year.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
So yeah, we'll see to go with all the all
the spare time that you apparently have.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
I look at your kids, do you have much spare time?

Speaker 1 (44:01):
I'm I'm not seeing any you know.

Speaker 5 (44:06):
What I think, Alison, you make time and you know this.
You make time for for what's important to you. So
that's important to me. So I you know, I don't
know how often I'll be able to do it. I
don't know if if it's gonna be once a week once,
I don't know. I haven't quite figured that out. But yeah,
but but it's important enough.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
I think that.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
It's it's so valuable to me when I get to
talk to other people about these these these challenges, these ideas,
and you know, bounce ideas off them, and it's become
very therapeutic for me. I know it's been therapeutic for
some friends again who are going to the same thing.
So it's important enough that I will find time to
do it.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Oh, I think it'll be absolutely fabulous. I already am
like going, I think I have guests for you. I'm
like lining up the guests, like, guess we should here.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
I'll take that.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
There's so much This is just a marveing because yeah,
as it said, all the things you're doing, how you
do it all, But it's just you to say, I
think she's well rounded.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
You cover a lot of ground.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
And then the things that you've devoted your spare time
to the colleges, as you said, teachers, and to bring up,
you know, scholarships for people want to be teachers. Because
people want to be teachers, and they go, yeah, but
it's hard work and it doesn't pay well.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
So how am I going to be.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Able to afford to pursue that, to have a ton
of scholarships so we can get more qualified teachers into
the field.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
That's very importantly.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
Absolutely education, you know, I you know, I every now
and then I think back then I'm like, you know,
I think what it might have been like. For example,
if I had been able to go into her, if
I even thought about going into acting when you did,
for example, I think I still would have stopped because

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my parents and he would have would have made me
go to college anyway. But I mean, I'm glad I
did it the way that I did because I needed
to do some growing up before are you know, going
into very smart anyway. So yeah, so for me, it's
a big thing and doesn't even necessarily have to be
a formal education going to university, just you know, something
to sort of yeah, I don't know, develop your mind

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beyond where you currently are.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Well, that's the thing is is you talk about doing
things that are you know, outside your comfort zone, that
aren't something doing things are completely different that you would
think of doing. And every time you took on something
completely different, it it totally worked and somebody like saw
you do it, Like, oh, well, now that you're doing that,
it's like, how did that happen? And that's the thing
we forget is is that exploring all these fields and
educating ourselves about everything and opening ourselves up to stuff,

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that's what leads to progress.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Well, I think so, I mean, you know, I what
is the expression, uh that master of what is said?

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Jack of all trades, Jane of all trades, whatever is master?

Speaker 5 (46:54):
That's that's definitely me. I don't think I'm a master
of anything. But it's been an interesting ride for sure.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
You could also call it renaissance woman if you want
to be that way.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Okay, let's go with that, right, It works that prepared
should play all kinds of parts to do it just
I think you should. You just sound like a marvelous
person to know. Now, where can people find you? Because
you do have social you have, you have a website,
you have, you have Instagram. Where can we find you
and learn about all of the fabulous stuff that you're
doing as well as the scholarship and all of your projects.

Speaker 5 (47:22):
Oh well, thank you for asking you again, It's just
my name. I'm not that creative. It's nya flak e
n y a f l a c k on Twitter,
on Instagram, on Facebook, and nyaflak dot com.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Yes, consistency is important in one social media from it they.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Call it branding, very important.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Yes, they always tell you the branding thing. I'm so
glad I had you on. I knew you'd be fabulous.
Yester publicist said do you should check her out? And
as soon as I started like, oh, she's amazing. So
I'm so happy that I had you on.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
And then we talked about you know, your project of
scholarship and everything and people please check that out.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Thank you so much for coming on my show.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Thank you, it's been a pleasure.

Speaker 5 (48:04):
And I just like I said, such a joy to
meet you as I am a fan, so thank you
so much.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Thank you, thank you so much, and thank you everybody
for watching. And I'm Alison Kerman. This is the Alson
Ingram Show. Love Love, ch